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Messages - cyber.culture

cyber.culture.1 balinda,
[reply na 15.85 vcalic] >> Jel' ovo spektakularno Novimovo hvatanje za lenjir >> znači da cyber ipak kreće? ;> Eppur si muove. ;)
cyber.culture.2 pyc.guy,
Yes! Prava tema... Ovde bi mogli da se salju moduli u cyber fazonu! :) Pyc
cyber.culture.3 princess,
?! sta je ovo
cyber.culture.4 balinda,
>> ?! sta je ovo Teško je reći. ;) Za početak, slutim da je 'set code=none'. :)
cyber.culture.5 omega,
Ţ Yes! Prava tema... Je li, odakle ova tema? Nesto nisam u toku. :)) Ali u svakom slucaju mi je drago :)
cyber.culture.6 novim,
Archive-name: cyberpunk-faq Last-modified: 8/19/1994 <...> --- 1. What is cyberpunk, the literary movement? 2. What is cyberpunk, the subculture? 3. What is cyberspace? How does it relate to today's "net" and "virtual reality"? 4. Cyberpunk books <...> --- 1. What is cyberpunk, the literary movement? The first use of "cyberpunk" to designate a body of literature is generally credited to Gardner Dozois, who, at the time (the early '80s), was editor of _Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine_. He is thought to have cribbed it from the title of a short story by Bruce Bethke, "Cyberpunk". (Bethke has since proclaimed himself to be an "anti-cyberpunk".) Before its christening, the "cyberpunk movement", known to its members as "The Movement", had existed for quite some time, centered around Bruce Sterling's samizdat, _Cheap Truth_. Authors like Sterling, Rucker, and Shirley submitted articles pseudonymously to this newsletter, hyping the works of people in the group and vigorously attacking the "SF mainstream". This helped form the core "movement consciousness". (The run of _Cheap Truth_ is available by anonymous FTP in the directory "etext.archive.umich.edu:/pub/Zines/CheapTruth".) Cyberpunk literature, in general, deals with marginalized people in technologically-enhanced cultural "systems". In cyberpunk stories' settings, there is usually a "system" which dominates the lives of most "ordinary" people, be it an oppresive government, a group of large, paternalistic corporations, or a fundamentalist religion. These systems are enhanced by certain technologies (today advancing at a rate that is bewildering to most people), particularly "information technology" (computers, the mass media), making the system better at keeping those within it inside it. Often this technological system extends into its human "components" as well, via brain implants, prosthetic limbs, cloned or genetically engineered organs, etc. Humans themselves become part of "the Machine". This is the "cyber" aspect of cyberpunk. However, in any cultural system, there are always those who live on its margins, on "the Edge": criminals, outcasts, visionaries, or those who simply want freedom for its own sake. Cyberpunk literature focuses on these people, and often on how they turn the system's technological tools to their own ends. This is the "punk" aspect of cyberpunk. The best cyberpunk works are distinguished from previous work with similar themes by a certain style. The setting is urban, the mood is dark and pessimistic. Concepts are thrown at the reader without explanation, much like new developments are thrown at us in our everyday lives. There is often a sense of moral ambiguity; simply fighting "the system" (to topple it, or just to stay alive) does not make the main characters "heroes" or "good" in the traditional sense. --- 2. What is cyberpunk, the subculture? Spurred on by cyberpunk literature, in the mid-1980's certain groups of people started referring to themselves as cyberpunk, because they correctly noticed the seeds of the fictional "techno-system" in Western society today, and because they identified with the marginalized characters in cyberpunk stories. Within the last few years, the mass media has caught on to this, spontaneously dubbing certain people and groups "cyberpunk". Specific subgroups which are identified with cyberpunk are: Hackers, Crackers, and Phreaks: "Hackers" are the "wizards" of the computer community; people with a deep understanding of how their computers work, and can do things with them that seem "magical". "Crackers" are the real-world analogues of the "console cowboys" of cyberpunk fiction; they break in to other people's computer systems, without their permission, for illicit gain or simply for the pleasure of exercising their skill. "Phreaks" are those who do a similar thing with the telephone system, coming up with ways to circumvent phone companies' calling charges and doing clever things with the phone network. All three groups are using emerging computer and telecommunications technology to satisfy their individualist goals. Cypherpunks: These people think a good way to bollix "The System" is through cryptography and cryptosystems. They believe widespread use of extremely hard-to-break coding schemes will create "regions of privacy" that "The System" cannot invade. Ravers: These are the folks who use synthesized and sampled music, computer-generated psychedelic ("cyberdelic") art, and designer drugs to create massive all-night dance parties and love-fests in empty warehouses. However, one person's "cyberpunk" is another's everyday obnoxious teenager with some technical skill thrown in, or just someone looking for the latest trend to identify with. This has led many people to look at self-designated "cyberpunks" in a negative light. Also, there are those who claim that "cyberpunk" is undefinable (which in some sense it is, being concerned with outsiders and rebels), and resent the mass media's use of the label, seeing it as a cynical marketing ploy. --- 3. What is cyberspace? How does it relate to today's "net" and "virtual reality"? To my knowledge, the term "cyberspace" was first used by William Gibson in his story "Burning Chrome". That work first describes users using devices called "cyberdecks" to override their normal sensory organs, presenting them with a full-sensory interface to the world computer network; when doing so, said users are "in cyberspace". (The concept had appeared prior to Gibson, most notably in Vernor Vinge's story "True Names".) "Cyberspace" is thus the metaphorical "place" where one "is" when accessing the world computer net. Even though Gibson's vision of how cyberspace operates is in some senses absurd, it has stimulated many in the computing community. The word "cyberspace" is beginning to filter into common use, referring to the emergent world-wide computer network (especially the Internet). Also, some researchers in the "virtual reality" area of computer science are trying to implement something like Gibson's information space. However, "cyberspace" is also used to refer to any computer-generated VR environment, even if its purpose is not "accessing the net". --- 4. Cyberpunk books The following is intended to be a short list of the best in-print cyberpunk works. Note that quite a few works written before 1980 have been retroactively labelled "cyberpunk", because of stylistic similarities (like Pynchon's _Gravity's Rainbow_), or similar themes (Brunner's _The Shockwave Rider_, Delany's _Nova_). William Gibson's _Neuromancer_, about a cracker operating in cyberspace, a cybernetically-enhanced bodyguard/mercenary, and a pair of mysterious AIs, got the ball rolling as far as cyberpunk is concerned. It won the Hugo, Nebula, P. K. Dick, and Ditmar awards, something no other SF work has done. Gibson wrote two sequels in the same setting, _Count Zero_ and _Mona Lisa Overdrive_. Gibson also has a collection of short stories, _Burning Chrome_, which contains three stories in _Neuromancer_'s setting, as well as several others, such as the excellent "The Winter Market" and "Dogfight". Gibson recently published _Virtual Light_, set nearer in the future and with somewhat more toned-down technology, but dealing with the same thematic concerns as other cyberpunk works. Bruce Sterling's _Crystal Express_ contains his "Shaper/Mechanist" short stories about the future of humanity and "post-humanity", as well as "Green Days in Brunei", a story sharing the global setting of his _Islands in the Net_. Both are near-future extrapolations in worlds very similar to our own. (_Schismatrix_, a novel-length story in the "Shaper/Mechanist" future, is out of print.) Sterling edited _Mirrorshades: A Cyberpunk Anthology_, which contains stories by many authors; some are questionably cyberpunk, but it has some real gems ("Mozart in Mirrorshades" being one). Gibson and Sterling collaboratively wrote _The Difference Engine_, a novel called "steampunk" by some; it deals with many cyberpunk themes by using an alternate 19th-century Britain where Babbage's mechanical computer technology has been fully developed. _Snow Crash_, by Neal Stephenson, carries cyberpunk to a humorous extreme; what else can one say about a work where the Mafia delivers pizza and the main character's name is "Hiro Protagonist"? Larry McCaffrey editied an anthology, _Storming the Reality Studio_, which has snippets of many cyberpunk works, as well as critical articles about cyberpunk, and a fairly good bibliography. Some other good cyberpunk works include: Walter Jon Williams, _Hardwired_: a smuggler who pilots a hovertank decides to take on the Orbital Corporations that control his world. Walter Jon Williams, _Voice of the Whirlwind_: a corporate soldier's clone tries to discover what happened to his "original copy". Greg Bear, _Blood Music_: a genetic engineer "uplifts" some of his own blood cells to human-level intelligence, with radical consequences. Pat Cadigan, _Synners_: hackers and other misfits pursue a deadly new "virus" when direct brain interfaces first appear in near-future LA. (Some good out-of-print works to look for are Sterling's _Schismatrix_, Pat Cadigan's _Mindplayers, and Michael Swanwick's _Vacuum Flowers_.) <to be cont'd>
cyber.culture.7 supers,
Grrrrrrr! Govori vam lenjiras! Lenjirasi su opake zveri koje se bave prozdiranjem svega sto ima i tracak humanizma u sebi. Za dorucak smazu nekog vernika. Za rucak sliste etnologa. Za veceru najvise vole da do kostiju izgrickaju filologa ili filozofa. Lenjirasi su u osnovnoj skoli imali 5 iz pravopisa, a 1 iz slobodnih sastava. Lenjirasi ne mogu da podnesu otvaranje teme koja predstavlja sintezu svete reci "kibernetika" i jereticke reci "kultura". Lenjirasi, uopste, ne znaju za kulturu. Podsticu razvoj folklora, jer je najjestiviji. Njima je cilj da sve sto podseca na kulturu prozderu. Jedino ne jedu lenjire, trouglove i sestare, jer bi ostali bez sredstava za rad. Ukratko, cilj im je da prozderu ovu novootvorenu temu, a sto ne mogu da svare - to ce izbockati sestarima i vrhovima lenjira. Humanisti ovo moraju spreciti! Kako se odbraniti od lenjirasa? 1) Objasniti im da nista ne znaju. 2) Objasniti im da su sovinisti. 3) Objasniti im da su zadojeni komunistickom ideologijom. 4) Objasniti im da vode izopacen seksualni zivot. Pod dejstvom ovih magijski sugestivnih kletvi, lenjirasi ce se na mestu paralizovati. Kad se povrate, pobeci ce glavom bez obzira kao da ih nikada nije ni bilo i vise nikada se nece usuditi da diraju u svete teme konferencije civilizacija.7 nebeskog sistema Sezama-80-Din-Godisnje. Iz mojih usta u bozije usi. Amen!
cyber.culture.8 balinda,
>> Je li, odakle ova tema? Nesto nisam u toku. :)) >> Ali u svakom slucaju mi je drago :) Svu pohvalu zaslužuje novim a time je, bez da je to hteo, ;) objektivno postao moderator teme. :>
cyber.culture.9 novim,
" Iz mojih usta u bozije usi. " Amen! Ej-men, vaistinu. :))) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive-name: cyberpunk-faq Last-modified: 8/19/1994 <...> 6. Cyberpunk in visual media (movies and TV) What about movies based on Gibson's stories? Gibson's _Alien 3_ script? 7. _Blade Runner_ 8. Cyberpunk music. What about Billy Idol's album? <...> --- 6. Cyberpunk in visual media (movies and TV) What about movies based on Gibson's stories? Gibson's _Alien 3_ script? TV gave us the late, lamented _Max Headroom_, which featured oodles of cyberpunk concepts. The Bravo cable network is rerunning the few episodes that were made. TV also gave us the somewhat bloated _Wild Palms_, with a "cyberspace", evil corporations, and a cameo by William Gibson. Recently, TV-movies based on William Shatner's "Tek" novels have been released. While possessing some tranditionally cyberpunk elements and extended "cyberspace runs", they tend to boil down to good guys vs. bad guys cop stories. So far, _TekWar_, _TekLords_, and _TekLab_ have been made. (_TekLords_ features a central plot element that those who have read _Snow Crash_ will recognize.) _Blade Runner_ is considered the archetypical cyberpunk movie. (Gibson has said that the visuals in _Blade Runner_ match his vision of the urban future in _Neuromancer_.) Few other movies have matched it; some that are considered cyberpunk or marginally so are _Alien_ and its sequels, _Freejack_, _The Lawnmower Man_, _Until the End of the World_, the "Terminator" movies, _Total Recall_, the somewhat goofy _Circuitry Man_, and _Brainstorm_. There is an hourlong documentary called "Cyberpunk" available on video from Mystic Fire Video. It features some interview-style conversation with Gibson, is generally low-budget, and the consensus opinion on the net is that it isn't really worth anyone's time. Gibson is apparently embarrassed by it. Regarding films based on Gibson stories: At one point a fly-by-night operation called "Cabana Boys Productions" had the rights to _Neuromancer_; this is why the front of the _Neuromancer_ computer game's box claims it is "soon to be a motion picture from Cabana Boys". The rights have since reverted to Gibson, who is sitting on them at the moment. A film version of Gibson's short story "Johnny Mnemonic" is being produced at this time, scheduled for release in early 1995; Gibson wrote the screenplay, and is a close consultant to the director, Robert Longo. Keanu Reeves has the title role, Dolph Lundgren and Takeshi Kitano are his enemies, and Dina Meyer is playing the "Molly-equivalent" character (since the character of Molly cannot appear due to her possible use in a _Neuromancer_ production). Ice-T and Henry Rollins also have roles. There are rumors that "New Rose Hotel" will soon be made into a film, and Gibson recently claimed that a short (15 minute) film was made in Britain based on his short story "The Gernsback Continuum". William Gibson wrote one of the many scripts for _Alien 3_. According to him, only one detail from his script made its way to the actual film: the bar codes visible on the backs of the prisoners' shaved heads. A synopsis of Gibson's script, including instructions on how to get the whole thing, can be found in part 3 of the _Alien_ Movies FAQ list, available as "rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/movies/ alien-faq/part3". --- 7. _Blade Runner_ There is a _Blade Runner_ FAQ which is available via anonymous FTP as "rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/movies/bladerunner-faq". It answers many of the more common questions. Here are short answers to the most common. a. There are several alternate versions. The original theatrical release in the US omitted the Batty-Tyrell eye-gouging sequence and a few other bits; these were added back in Europe and the video release. In 1992, a "director's cut" was released, now available on video, which omits the Deckard voiceover and the "happy" ending, and reinserts the "unicorn scene". Before that, however, a different cut was shown at two theaters, one in LA, the other in San Francisco, for a brief period; this has a different title sequence and soundtrack, some different dialogue, no voiceover and no happy ending, but no unicorn sequence. (In my opinion, it was the best version.) b. The 5/6 replicants problem: This is widely accepted as an editing glitch which slipped through to the release. The film originally featured a fifth "live" replicant, "Mary", who was later deleted. In the limited-release cut, the line "one got fried ..." is changed to "two got fried ...". Bryant does not include Rachel in the original six escaped replicants. However ... c. Internal clues, such as lack of emotion, the photographs, and the reflective eyes, do suggest that Deckard is a replicant. However, this is not _explicitly_ stated in any cut. The "unicorn scene" gives this theory more weight. --- 8. Cyberpunk music. What about Billy Idol's album? There is a bit of confusion as to what "cyberpunk music" really is. Is it "music that deals with cyberpunk themes", or "music that people in a cyberpunk future would listen to"? Those who claim there _is_ cyberpunk music usually say the fast, synthesized, and sample-oriented forms such as techno, rave, and industrial music are "cyberpunk". In late 1993 Billy Idol released an album called "Cyberpunk", which garnered some media attention. The album seems to have been a commercial and critical flop, but based on his statements (two of them) on the net, Billy seems sincere about learning about the "cyberpunk scene". However, scorn and charges of commercialization have been heaped upon him in this and other forums. --------------------------------------------------------------------
cyber.culture.10 dcolak,
│ Yes! Prava tema... │ Ovde bi mogli da se salju moduli u cyber fazonu! :) Meni uopšte nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da pročitam... U čemu je štos? :)) Sledge DAMMIR!
cyber.culture.11 fancy,
ŮŢ> ?! sta je ovo znak pitanja i uskličnik.
cyber.culture.12 drndi,
>> Meni uopste nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da >> procitam... U cemu je stos? :)) Nemoj da mislis da si jedini. ;)
cyber.culture.13 jovca.car,
/* consciousness". (The run of _Cheap Truth_ is available by anonymous /* FTP in the directory "etext.archive.umich.edu:/pub/Zines/CheapTruth".) Jel bi mogao neko da skine ovo?
cyber.culture.14 novim,
" "etext.archive.umich.edu:/pub/Zines/CheapTruth".) " " Jel bi mogao neko da skine ovo? Za nestrpljive (biće još kasnije): ----- $0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0 CHEAP TRUTH ONE $0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0 EDITORIAL: Hi. You want to know the truth. We want to tell it to you. Let's try to keep the ECONOMICS between us to a minimum, okay? Right, let's do it. ** QUEST FOR DECAY ** As American SF lies in a reptilian torpor, its small, squishy cousin, Fantasy, creeps gecko-like across the bookstands. Dreaming of dragon-hood, Fantasy has puffed itself up with air like a Mojave chuckwalla. SF's collapse had formed a vacuum that forces Fantasy into a painful and explosive bloat. Short stories, crippled with the bends, expand into whole hideous trilogies as hollow as nickel gumballs. Even poor Stephen Donaldson, who struggles to atone for his literary crimes with wet hippy sincerity, has been forced to re-xerox his Tolkien pastiches and doubly insult the public. As Robert E. Howard spins in his grave, the Chryslers of publishing attach rotors to his head and feet and use him to power the presses. But the editors have eaten sour grapes and the writers' teeth are on edge. Fantasy, for too long the vapid playground of McCaffreyite unicorn-cuddlers and insect-eating SCA freaks, has some new and dangerous borderlands. Suddenly, perhaps out of sheer frustration, fantasy has movement and color again. It is the squirming movement of corruption and the bright sheen of decay. ** Some Examples ** NIFFT THE LEAN by Michael Shea. DAW, $2.95. Jack Vance's acolyte, author of the apprentice work QUEST FOR SIMBILIS, Shea has suddenly and fearsomely come into his own. This astonishing work shows a furious imaginative concentration that is impressive and even appalling. The legitimate heir of Vance, Leiber, and Clark Ashton Smith, Shea rips aside the polite, smirking ironies of these polished writers and shows us a crawling, boiling vision of the demonic. He is a Fender Stratocaster to Vance's Stradivarius. For those familiar with Vance's work, the effect is odd and disquieting, like seeing a favorite uncle stumble in, blasted on bad acid and mumbling cosmis obscenities. There are supernatural horrors here that make Cthulhu and his boys look as tame as pinstriped bankers. Hell itself, its denizens and environs, are captured with a revolting nicety of detail and expression that makes you wonder for the author's sanity. Shea is doing for the outworn tradition of heroic fantasy what Swinburne did for the tradition of romantic poetry: namely, piling it up in a heap and setting it on fire. And, like Swinburne, he does it with so much insight that he renders the tradition obsolete. Heroic fantasy is already moribund; Shea's book is, strictly speaking, a work of decadence, even of necromancy. This is an important, even crucial book, with the lurid brilliance and craftsmanlike discipline of a Bosch canvas. Not to be missed. RED AS BLOOD by Tanith Lee. DAW, $2.50. The morbid smirk of the stereotyped fantasy damsel on the Michael Whelan cover of this book personifies fantasy's new decadence. Lee's talent has always threatened to overwhelm the narrow limits of her innumerable cape-and-thick-ankles bodice-busters, and this time she has the bit between her teeth and takes off for parts unknown. She has returned to fantasy's roots -- the 4/4 beat of Grimm's fairy tales -- and ripped it up in a way that Ramones fans might find eerily familiar. This is a very punk book -- all red and black -- and it has some of the end-of-the-world energy of a '77 Pistols gig. These stories are TWISTED -- tales of bloodlust, sexual frustration, schoolgirl nastiness, world-devouring ennui, and a detailed obsession with Satanism that truly makes one wonder. Casual readers may find some of these stories dense and opaque. Lee's prose has a cryptic, involuted quality, which creates the impression that she is hinting at matters too blasphemous to speak of openly. It's a peculiar style, alternately annoying and frightening. Some of this apparent awkwardness is the result of a refusal to compromise. It is the sign of an artist struggling to explian her visions in what amounts to a private dialect. Even the failures are a left-handed tribute to her integrity. She is uniquely gifted. If you are the kind of fan who wants to have a dragon for a friend and loves small furry animals, stay away from this book, because you might die from it. LYONESSE by Jack Vance. Berkley, $6.95. This latest effort has all the qualities Vance devotees cherish: vivid clarity in description, clever, colorful protagonists, fully realized societies complete with Vance's trademark footnotes, and headlong, exciting plotting that has footloose freedom without becoming slipshod. It's true that Vance has only one voice: a carefully crafted, mock-archaic one. Vance characters, from wizards to galactic effectuators, always speak with the same sense of antiquated, polite calculation. In LYONESSE, a pair of housecats are given the power of speech, and when they immediately pipe up with a uniquely Vancian courteous peevishness the effective is irresistably (and deliberately) hilarious. It's a voice that has served Vance well, and has even been borrowed wholesale by Michael Shea without becoming tiresome. Vance's works have always had a veiled darker side; they are replete with wine-sipping perverts whose sidelong glances and polite insinuations hint at unspeakable vices. Vance is a writer of rare perception; although he created many of the parameters of modern fantasy, he is clearly aware of their exhaustion. His answer, like Shea's, is to turn up the amps. Thus we have a female character whose suffering innocence almost reminds one of deSade's Justine. There is a definite, quiet cruelty in this book that is presented with an alarming sense of relish. Characters are blinded, tortured, branded, buggered, thrown into wells and left to die. Women and children especially are singled out for torment; one long section is a Tanith Lee-esque black fairy tale, and its peculiar viciousness is cynically funny. At last Vance even turns on the reader, for the book's ending is a cruel joke. It hints at books to follow, but since Vance's languorous attitude toward sequels is legendary, his audience is probably doomed to a long session on the tenterhooks. THE FLOATING GODS by M. John Harrison. Timescape, $2.50. This book is called IN VIRICONIUM in Britain, but was stupidly retitled for American release, presumably because Timescape believes we are boneheads. It's the third book in a sword-and-sorcery trilogy that includes THE PASTEL CITY and A STORM OF WINGS. It's clear that a different but allied form of decadence has struck Across the Water. Its trademark is not perversion, but exhaustion. PASTEL CITY rejoiced in such sprightly characters as Tomb, "the nastiest dwarf that ever hacked the hands off a priest," whose rotten malevolence was a welcome relief from Harrison's sometimes stifling meditations on spiritual decline. FLOATING GODS has no such characters. It is set in a city smothered under a nebulous Plague Zone. Possibly Harrison has spent too much time in Brixton. Despair seems to have been printed across his eyeballs in letters of fire. THE FLOATING GODS is a relentless exercise in total, stifling futility; it is one long, gray, debilitating dream. Harrison's extraordinary talent merely crams the reader's head more firmly into the bucket. It is impossible to read this book without considering suicide. It is painful to read; painful even to think about. Let's hope to God something happens soon to cheer him up. $0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0 CHEAP TRUTH TOP TEN $0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0 These new editions are readily available at your local smokestack-industry chainstore bookstand. You could do a lot worse. 1. SOFTWARE Rudy Rucker. Ace, 2.25. Pyrotechnic work by deranged math professor. The hottest thing going in contemporary SF. 2. UNIVERSE 10 Terry Carr, ed. Zebra, 2.50. Fine anthology reduced to utter penury. Should be bought for the good of the genre. 3. PAST MASTER R. A. Lafferty. Ace, 2.50. Classic Lafferty. His most decipherable SF novel. 4. THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS Ursula K. LeGuin. Brilliant LeGuin from her pre-didactic era. Has modern intro with words like "semiotic" and "positivist." 5. THE IRON DREAM Norman Spinrad. Timescape, 2.95. Biting parody of fascistic SF power fantasies. Genuinely bizarre. 6. THE MONSTER OF THE PROPHECY Clark Ashton Smith. Timescape, 2.50. Curious archaeological relic from the Golden Age. Outrageous, clotted prose. 7. THE KING IN YELLOW Robert W. Chambers. Ace, 2.50. What fantasy was like before its prostitution. 8. A WORLD OUT OF TIME Larry Niven. Del Rey, 2.50. Heartening indication that Niven may escape total artistic collapse. 9. CREATURES OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS Roger Zelazny. Avon, 2.25. Self-indulgent pastiche of his best work. Flashes of brilliance. Beats being smothered in amber. 10. ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK Mike McQuay. Bantam, 2.50. Surprisingly decent novelization. Makes more sense than the movie. 0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$$0$0$0$0$$0$0$0$0$$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$ CHEAP TRUTH On-Line, 809-C West 12th Street, Austin, Texas 78701. Editing: Vincent Omniaveritas. NOT COPYRIGHTED. Data pirates, start your engines! "SERVING SF THROUGH SAMIZDATA" 0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$0$ -----
cyber.culture.15 armitage,
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cyber.culture.16 dragisha,
-> │ Yes! Prava tema... -> │ Ovde bi mogli da se salju moduli u cyber fazonu! :) -> -> Meni uopšte nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da -> pročitam... U čemu je štos? :)) Jesi probao da SE uključiš?:) Tada radi! -- [C:\> XALL ECHO Y|DEL *.* <───┘]
cyber.culture.17 zqusovac,
> 4. Cyberpunk books A da ti nama neposvecenima ubacis ovde kakvu kracu pricu ili dve, da znamo da li da dajemo resign ili da izdrzimo jos malo. poz, zq
cyber.culture.18 novim,
" A da ti nama neposvecenima ubacis ovde kakvu kracu pricu ili dve, da " znamo da li da dajemo resign ili da izdrzimo jos malo. Po treći put: svima koji mrze da čitaju, pa su za njih poruke dugačke (reč je uglavnom o materijalima s Interneta), neka vataju tutanj odavde i ne gnjave više na tu temu. ;)
cyber.culture.19 spantic,
Ovo je više za temu EXTRA::SF, ali neka se zna. Gibson je napisao novu knjigu, koja usput budi rečeno treba uskoro da izađe u NDHaziji. Isto tako je najavljeno završenje filma po priči "Johnny Mnemonic" zakrajgodine.
cyber.culture.20 milan,
> " A da ti nama neposvecenima ubacis ovde kakvu kracu pricu ili dve, da > " znamo da li da dajemo resign ili da izdrzimo jos malo. > > Po treći put: svima koji mrze da čitaju, pa su za njih poruke > dugačke (reč je uglavnom o materijalima s Interneta), neka vataju > tutanj odavde i ne gnjave više na tu temu. ;) ! Pl poz M P.S. Ne brini, upravo smo zbrisali ......
cyber.culture.21 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ Po treći put: svima koji mrze da čitaju, pa su za njih poruke Ů│ ˙ dugačke (reč je uglavnom o materijalima s Interneta), neka vataju Ů│ ˙ tutanj odavde i ne gnjave više na tu temu. ;) Ajde lepo definiši pojam "Cyber Culture" pa il' da palimo ili da čitamo, važi?
cyber.culture.22 dcolak,
│ -> Meni uopšte nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da │ -> pročitam... U čemu je štos? :)) │ │ Jesi probao da SE uključiš?:) Tada radi! Hm, pročitah Kukavičje Jaje 'iz cuga' al' neuromancera nikako. Krenem ja ali nikako da stvorim sliku, kao da čitam tekstove sa sličica u dečjim albumima! Možda da se napijem ili nešTo slično? Možda neka muzika? Sledge DAMMIR!
cyber.culture.23 novim,
" P.S. Ne brini, upravo smo zbrisali ...... Neka "previše dobroj udavači" (I just quote!) neko prenese da sam duboko dirnut, da nisam brinuo ni pre, pa sam utoliko više zahvalan, i da me jedino čudi da o sebi govori o množini. (Udavača je - već? - trudna?!) ;>
cyber.culture.24 novim,
" Ajde lepo definiši pojam "Cyber Culture" pa il' da palimo " ili da čitamo, važi? Moraćete da čitate, pa neka svako "definiše" za sebe. Moja namera je da pokrenem, a ne da "definišem" (ako se to očekuje, nisam taj.) Da se dogovorimo: slaćemo ovde sve što se tiče raznih vidova odnosa između kompjuterske tehnologije i kulture (u širokom smislu): od SF-a tog tipa i cyber-punka, preko hakerskih subkultura, pa sve do (danas) neobičnijih razmišljanja o kompjuterima. Neću pogrešiti kad kažem da najveći deo ovdašnjih komp. ovisnika/korisnika nema na umu kulturni aspekt tehnologije. Verovatno tako treba da bude, tehničari ne moraju misliti na konsekvence svoje tehnologije. Mđt, nisu svi tehničari, niti je tehnologija bez posledica po razne druge oblasti. Cyber.culture ima za predmet onu oblast koja nije pan- tehnološka. O tom predmetu ima već more literature. Pišite ovde šta vam je volja, naravno. Na kraju meseca bi bilo izbrisano sve što ne pripada ovoj temi, pa otuda možete slobodno dati resign, a onda jednom mesečno pokupiti temu očišćenu svih "šumova" (ko hoće i "šumove", neka onda skuplja poruke svkodnevno). Mislim da je to solidna nagodba, štedi i živce i vreme (svima, osim meni i Balindi). Naglašavam ovo ponovo, jer će materijal dovlačen s raznih strana biti duži (i do 15 Kb po jednoj poruci), i neće - sem u nekim slučajevima - biti pakovan kao fajl uz poruku. Dakle, kome je to mnogo - neka sačeka kraj meseca; koga, pak, ne zanima, ok je. Što bi nas sve zanimale iste stvari, uostalom! Zato, neka niko ne kuka na dužinu poruka, kuknjava će biti naprosto ignorisana, jer su svakom pod dirkama i resign i ignore. Može li tako? :)
cyber.culture.25 novim,
<PC.OS.4:unix, 4.343, Dragisha> " -> Eh da, šta je daemon? " " Molim Novicu da postuje daemon entry iz JAR u cyber.culture :). Glad to.:)) Elem: ----- "The on-line hacker Jargon File, version 3.0.0, 27 JUL 1993". <...> :daemon: /day'mn/ or /dee'mn/ <from the mythological meaning, later rationalized as the acronym 'Disk And Execution MONitor'> n. A program that is not invoked explicitly, but lies dormant waiting for some condition(s) to occur. The idea is that the perpetrator of the condition need not be aware that a daemon is lurking (though often a program will commit an action only because it knows that it will implicitly invoke a daemon). For example, under <<ITS>> writing a file on the <LPT> spooler's directory would invoke the spooling daemon, which would then print the file. The advantage is that programs wanting (in this example) files printed need neither compete for access to nor understand any idiosyncrasies of the <LPT>. They simply enter their implicit requests and let the daemon decide what to do with them. Daemons are usually spawned automatically by the system, and may either live forever or be regenerated at intervals. Daemon and <demon> are often used interchangeably, but seem to have distinct connotations. The term 'daemon' was introduced to computing by <CTSS> people (who pronounced it /dee'mon/) and used it to refer to what ITS called a <dragon>. Although the meaning and the pronunciation have drifted, we think this glossary reflects current (1993) usage. -----
cyber.culture.26 novim,
" Hm, pročitah Kukavičje Jaje 'iz cuga' al' neuromancera nikako. Krenem " ja ali nikako da stvorim sliku, kao da čitam tekstove sa sličica u " dečjim albumima! Možda da se napijem ili nešTo slično? Možda neka " muzika? Ili stani (pa čitaj ponovo, strpljivije - čitanje je malo komplikovanije od sricanja slova i praćenja reda reči, ponekad tekst traži posebnu koncentraciju, tj. raspred pažnje i vremena i sl.) il' odustani. :) Šta te zapravo od toga zanima? Gibsonova knjiga je izvrsna, možda značajnija no što se misli. (Ali, ako ti ne ide, ostavi; nemoj na silu, jednog leta će možda čitanje krenuti bolje.) Pokušaću da pribavim nešto posebno o Gibsonu, ako si na to mislio.
cyber.culture.27 dragisha,
-> Zato, neka niko ne kuka na dužinu poruka, kuknjava će biti naprosto -> ignorisana, jer su svakom pod dirkama i resign i ignore. -> -> Može li tako? :) Meni odgovara. Ništa gore od fajla uz poruku, em mora drugi put da se zove, em to onda nikad da se organizuje kako treba. Ovako, THor sistematizuje :). Kad sam već tuj, jel' imaš .html materijala? Mala digresija, zamisli nešto kao Hazarski rječnik u .HTML. Perverzno :)). -- [Shareware? Reminds me of a girl in my high school.]
cyber.culture.28 dragisha,
-> Hm, pročitah Kukavičje Jaje 'iz cuga' al' neuromancera nikako. Krenem -> ja ali nikako da stvorim sliku, kao da čitam tekstove sa sličica u -> dečjim albumima! Možda da se napijem ili nešTo slično? Možda neka -> muzika? Kukavičje jaje nisam čitao, ali po onome što znam pretpostavljam da je to uglavnom krimi priča. Uostalom, sama činjenica da je zasnovano na stvarnom događaju govori da to nije baš čisto (ako je ikako!) cyber žanr. S druge strane, Neuromanser je deep SF, sa nesvakidašnjim idejama. Nimalo uobičajena stvar i baš treba prići tome kako treba. Ima li neko električni oblik Neuromansera? Postoji li to uopšte? -- [If life is but a Dream please wake me up..]
cyber.culture.29 fancy,
┌────┐ ┌┐ ┌───┐┌────┐┌───┐ └───┐└┐ ┌─┐┌┐│└─┘┌──┘│┌──┐└┘┌──┘ ┌────────┐ │ └─┘ └┘└┘ └───┘└─┐│ └────┐ ┌──┘┌─┐ ┌┐ │┌─┐ │ ┌─┐ ┌──┘│ ┌──┐└┐ ┌──┐ ┌───────┘┌─┐│ │ │└┐ └┘ │ │ ┌──┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └──┘ └──────┐┌┘ ┌──────┘ └┘ │ │ └┐ │ └────┘ │ │ └────┘ │ │ │ ││ │ ┌─────┐ │ │ ┌┘ │ │ │ ┌───┘ │ │┌──────────┐ ┌┘└┐ │ │ │┌─┘ │┌┘ │ ┌──┘ │ │ │ ┌┘│┌────────┐│ │ └┐└──┘ ││ ┌─┘└┐ │ │ │ │ │┌┘ └┘ ││ └┐ └┐ ┌──┘│ │ └┐ │ │ │ └┐ ┌────┘│ ┌┘│ ┌┘ └┐ │ │ │ ┌┘┌──┘ ┌───┘ └──┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ ┌┘ │ │ ┌┘ │ │ │ ┌┘ └┐ │ │ │ └┐ └─┘ │ ┌┘ ┌┘ └┐ ┌┘ ┌──┘ │ │ └─┐ │ │ ┌──┐ └──┐ │ │ ┌─┘ ┌┘ ┌┘ │ ┌┘ │ │ │ └┐│ │ ┌──┘ │ │ │ └┐ │ ┌┘ ┌┘ │┌┘ │ ┌─┘ │ ┌┘│ │ │ │ │ │ └─┐ │ │ ┌┘ └┘ ┌┘ ┌┘ │ ┌┘ │ │ │ └─────┘ │ │ │ ┌───┘┌┘ ┌┘ ┌┘ │ └┐ └┐ │ │ ┌───┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─────┐ ┌┘ ┌┘ │ └┐ │ └──┘ └─────────┘ │ │ │ │ └┐ │ ┌┘ │ ┌┘ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ ┌┘ ┌─┘ ┌┘ │ │ │ └──┘ ┌┘ │ ┌┘ ┌─┘ ┌─┘ │ │ ┌─┘ ┌┘┌─┘ └───┘ │ │ ┌┐┌┐│ │ └─────┘ │└┘└┘ │ └─────┘ "cybart #2" - le fan, '94. (closed groove phenomenon)
cyber.culture.30 novim,
" Ima li neko električni oblik Neuromansera? Postoji li to uopšte? Ima. Baš ovde. :) Evo ga još jednom, gde najviše i pripada. neuroman.zip
cyber.culture.31 acid,
Evo vam nekoliko textova poskidanih iz jednog amiginog Disk-Mag-a... Probacu da nadjem jos literature.... cyber.lha
cyber.culture.32 radosav,
Jel ovo engleska ili srpska verzija? Da znam da ne skidam džabe.
cyber.culture.33 armitage,
> Moraćete da čitate, pa neka svako "definiše" za sebe. Moja namera je > da pokrenem, a ne da "definišem" (ako se to očekuje, nisam taj.) Ljudi moraju najpre da se oslobode zablude (a zbilja se radi o zabludi) da je računar isključivo alatka ili pomagalo u radu. E, kada se svi lepo okupimo na toj lokaciji, onda možemo da razmislimo gde ćemo dalje. (čuveni tagline: [ PCs are tools. Amiga is an instrumentá] ;> ) -*- Armitage -*-
cyber.culture.34 novim,
" Jel ovo engleska ili srpska verzija? Da znam da ne skidam džabe. Engleska verzija.
cyber.culture.35 fancy,
Jel' može odgovor od nadležnih za ovu "šiber kulturu"..? * Šta to zapravo znači, i od kakvog je značaja uopšte..? deluje pretenciozno do bola...
cyber.culture.36 novim,
" Evo vam nekoliko textova poskidanih iz jednog amiginog Disk-Mag-a... Prva od 4 stvari u tvom paketiću je Gibsonova "Burning Chrome" (poslednja priča iz istoimene zbiirke priča); ostale 3 stvari su tekuća cyber-produkcija. - Međutim, Gibson je ovde u fajlu tek trećina ili četvrtina od cele priče; imaš li možda i ostatak da pošalješ, da ne ostane ovako krnje... Ps: Šalji sve što imaš, naravno. :)
cyber.culture.37 novim,
" Jel' može odgovor od nadležnih za ovu "šiber kulturu"..? " Šta to zapravo znači, i od kakvog je značaja uopšte..? Znači spoj kibernetike (ili, još bolje, a unekoliko i tačnije: kibernautike) i kulture. Obuhvata: cyberpunk (u više njegovih značenja), virtual reality, hakerske subkulture, hipertekst, multimedije, umetnost nastalu na kompjuteru (nalik na tvoj crtani prilog), razmišljanja o tome šta je kompjuter, itd. - sve ono što bi se odnosilo na civilizacijski smisao ovog tipa tehnologije. Kao što znaš, moglo se zvati i "virtualni.svet", moglo se zvati i drukčije, "cyber.culture" je konvencija poput ostalih. " deluje pretenciozno do bola... Veoma. 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cyber.culture.38 fancy,
ŮŢ> Znači spoj kibernetike (ili, još bolje, a unekoliko i tačnije: ŮŢ> kibernautike) i kulture. Obuhvata: cyberpunk (u više njegovih ŮŢ> prilog), razmišljanja o tome šta je kompjuter, itd. - sve ono što bi ŮŢ> se odnosilo na civilizacijski smisao ovog tipa tehnologije. ok, thanx. nego... vidim one silne konferencije dole, i zaista mi ne pada na pamet kako bi izgledalo u recimo, conf. "high-tech low-life"... Šta kažeš da ako nekako možeš, baciš malo žvake iz tih confs..? i, glede: ŮŢ> alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life. ŮŢ> alt.drugs Recreational pharmaceuticals and related ŮŢ> flames. alt.drugs.usenet Many things are addictive besides ŮŢ> pills. ŮŢ> alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark. ŮŢ> alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs. ŮŢ> alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature. ŮŢ> alt.thrash Thrashlife. al' se oni dobro zezaju...
cyber.culture.39 fifana,
Hi, drustvo. Bas lepo da je krenulo. Sad, za promenu, imamo gde i glavu da ukljucimo. Samo malo da dodjem sebi (nocas sam stigla), eto mene opsirno. Lj.
cyber.culture.40 inesic,
> " Ima li neko električni oblik Neuromansera? Postoji li to > uopšte? > > Ima. Baš ovde. :) > > Evo ga još jednom, gde najviše i pripada. Možda nisi znao, ali ti si car. Sad ću da pokupim, pre nego što se neko od ovih sa sezama seti da pravi pitanja oko autorskih prava.
cyber.culture.41 novim,
" kako bi izgledalo u recimo, conf. "high-tech low-life"... To je opis za alt.cyberpunk. Autor opisa iz Future Culture verovatno podrazumeva da to svi - koji čitaju Future Culture, a cyberpunk magazine - znaju, pa navodi lakonsku "definiciju". Đavo bi ga znao na šta je tačno mislio, ali meni "high-tech low-life" neodoljivo liči na kratku šifru za nas, ovde, AD 199*. Sediš i čitaš Dr.Grbinu "oko.sveta", umesto da si zaista on-the-road. E-Keruak. Optuži me za devet x patetika, ali mi ideja da se što pre nekako kačimo na Internet izgleda upravo kao otvaranje puta u svet, makar i virtualnog; lično sam iz nešto starije generacije nego većina mladih ljudi na Sezamu, pa sam još kao student mogao da putujem po Jevropi dosta; ali današnji apsolvent, recimo, teško da će da moći da se 'ladno otisne do Londona, Pariza ili Rima (što smo mi nekad mogli bez previše problema, tj. para). Neka onda barem ljudi ovaj geto u šta nam se pretvorila zemlja razbijaju elektronskim putovanjem... Zato doživljavam Juku kao svoju političku stranku, pre nego bilo koju drugu ese-pe-oese-de-be-lo-pa-tanko... Ps: Možemo ovde slati i stvari koje se tiču i drogica ili loših hakera; lično nemam ništa protiv poruka o tome, sve dok su inteligentne. Valjda se podrazumeva da prebacivanje nekog Internet materijala u ovu temu ne predstavlja obavezno i stav onoga ko to prebacuje. - Takođe, nikako mi se ne definiše šta je to "cyber.culture" unapred; svako ima o tome svoju predstavu, pa ćemo njihovih kontrastriranjem doći do nečeg zajedničkog... Idućih dana će ići još malo "crtanja opšteg okvira" ove teme, tj. izvodi iz pominjanog Future Culture... " al' se oni dobro zezaju... Axa... Nekako mi najveći deo naših poruka izgleda kao da su pisane s gorčinom, ne retko zlobno, resantimanski, s idejom "šutni-ga-u- cevanicu-il-ga-zezni"... :((( - Ne mora sve biti tako. Za početak da unesemo malo opuštenijeg i sporijeg ritma (sajber-bluza) u inače prebrzo listanje/pregledanje poruka u Soru - OTUDA moje insistiranje da se ponešto i čita, a ne samo * rem... Makar i za manji broj ljudi, one strpljivije i otvorenije...
cyber.culture.42 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ Moraćete da čitate, pa neka svako "definiše" za sebe. Moja namera je Ů│ ˙ da pokrenem, a ne da "definišem" (ako se to očekuje, nisam taj.) Ja sam samo pitao ŠTA je to cyber culture. Nisam upoznat sa istim. Ů│ ˙ Da se dogovorimo: slaćemo ovde sve što se tiče raznih vidova odnosa Ů│ ˙ između kompjuterske tehnologije i kulture (u širokom smislu): od SF-a Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehničke kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogrešio? :)
cyber.culture.43 mikis,
+> Kad sam već tuj, jel' imaš .html materijala? Mala digresija, zamisli +> nešto kao Hazarski rječnik u .HTML. Perverzno :)). Perverzno ili ne, ali čuo sam da Pavić sprema pomenutu knjigu baš u hipretekst obliku, "na disketi"! :)
cyber.culture.44 spantic,
> Kad sam već tuj, jel' imaš .html materijala? Mala digresija, zamisli > nešto kao Hazarski rječnik u .HTML. Perverzno :)). Pa Pavić kanda radi na takvom projektu.
cyber.culture.45 novim,
" Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehničke " kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogrešio? :) žini mi se da bi pre bilo obrnuto: kultura tehnike, recimo. Ps: Ama toliku zbunjenost komp. profesionalaca (da im zanat ima i kulturni smisao) još ne videh! Šta vam je, bre? :))))
cyber.culture.46 ganta,
> Axa... Nekako mi najveći deo naših poruka izgleda kao da su pisane s > gorčinom, ne retko zlobno, resantimanski, s idejom "šutni-ga-u- > cevanicu-il-ga-zezni"... :((( - Ne mora sve biti tako. Za početak da Da li je to samo samnom slučaj, ali opšta atmosfera na Sezamu je baš zamorna. Non stop šutke ;( Može li ovde da krene nešto sasvim drugačije, da probamo da napravimo neku vrstu multimedijalne galerije. Fancy kao nije znao šta znači ime ove teme ;) a ono što je okačio je baš ono pravo.
cyber.culture.47 acid,
> ili cetvrtina od cele price; imas li mozda i ostatak da posaljes,> > da ne ostane ovako krnje... Nazalost nemam.... Probacu da nadjem ali ovo sto sam poslao su bili svi textovi koje sam nasao :< ( U disk-magu ) .
cyber.culture.48 novim,
_____________________ ____________________ / __________________/ / ________________/ / /____________ / / / ____________/ / / / / / /_______________ /__/ uture /__________________/ ulture ___________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ đ___________________________________________________________________đ <...> ______________________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Cultural Literacy đ đ______________________đ Agrippa: A Book of the Dead - A collaboration between author ŠWilliam GibsonĆ, publisher Kevin Begos Jr, and artist Dennis Ashbaugh. This art-work contains engravings by Ashbaugh which appear or disappear in light and an on-disk semi-autobiographical poem by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ which is unreadable after having been read once. Agrippa is notable because in many respects it blurs the lines about what art is, and adds fuel to the fire on issues of property rights and intellectual property. <v. CIV.7. - 6.62> BBSes - electronic Bulletin Board Systems. Begun in the late 70's, a form of Švirtual communityĆ existing in ŠcyberspaceĆ where participants (usually using aliases) may send and receive public and private messages to each other on any topic imaginable, transfer software (copyrighted and/or public domain), play on-line games, etc. There is the "over-ground" BBS world where aliases are less common and illegal activities are avoided in discussion, and the Ššcomputerć undergroundĆ where illegal activities and discussions are very common, members use aliases, and illegal information and/or software is exchanged. Boxing - A variety of electronic devices used to aid in ŠphreakingĆ. The original was the blue box, used from the mid 60's to the mid 80's, which allowed long distance phone calls to be made for free. A variety of other similar instruments accomplishing different tasks have been developed, some purely comical, some quite practical. CC fraud - Credit Card or Calling Card fraud. common in the Šcomputer undergroundĆ community. Chaos Theory - science revolving around simplistic equations involving a large number of variables. Gave rise to ŠfractalsĆ, a form of ŠcyberdelicĆ art. For further info on the subject, James Gleick's "Chaos: Making a New Science" is suggested. Computer Underground - "A group organized in secrecy, hidden behind aliases, to promote the free exchange of information regarding anything and everything including, but not limited to: computers, telephones, radios, chemicals, and ideas." (thanx to The Butler for this definition) The mainstay of communication for the computer underground is ŠcyberspaceĆ, more specifically ŠBBSesĆ. The computer underground is comprised of ŠhackersĆ, ŠphreakersĆ, ŠpiratersĆ, anarchists, and other ŠcyberpunksĆ. CP - see ŠcyberpunkĆ. Cryonics - The fringe science of freezing a person's head or whole body after death, in the hopes that in the future they may be revived and brought back to life. Cyber- - A prefix taken from ŠcyberneticsĆ generally used in popular culture to mean anything that is technologically oriented. Cyberdeck - Term originated by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ to refer to a computer used by Šdeck cowboysĆ that can connect to the ŠmatrixĆ. Cyberdelic - "Cyber-art". Examples include ŠfractalsĆ, computer-generated pictures and/or music, Švirtual worldsĆ, etc. Cybernetics - The study of communication systems in living organisms and machines, the mathematical analysis of the flow of information. Cyberpunk - Begun as a literary movement in the 80's, an off-shoot of normal science fiction. Unique in that it generally occurs in the present or not so distant future, the characters are often considered "punks" and technology, (the cyber aspect), is prominent. "Neuromancer" by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ, published in 1984, is considered by most to be the "bible" of cyberpunk. Another prominent author is ŠBruce SterlingĆ, editor of another worthy cyberpunk collection, "Mirrorshades". Other examples of cyberpunk include Max Headroom (tv show) and Blade Runner (movie). Cyberpunk is special in that it has evolved from a purely literary movement to a realistic subculture. Many "techno-punks" (ie: ŠhackersĆ) are considered cyberpunks. Other contributing factors to the cyberpunk subculture include: virtual reality, hallucinogenic and ŠnootropicĆ drugs, and industrial and punk music. For an in-depth, detailed look at cyberpunk fiction and cyberpunk culture, "Storming the Reality Studio", ed. by Larry McCaffery is suggested. Cyberspace - "The electronic frontier." A completely virtual environment: the sum total of all ŠBBSesĆ, computer networks, and other Švirtual communitiesĆ. Unique in that it is constantly being changed, exists only virtually, can be practically infinite in "size", communication occurs instantaneously world-wide - physical location is completely irrelevant most of the time. Deck Cowboys - Futuristic version of a computer ŠhackerĆ or a modern-day ŠcyberpunkĆ. Electronic Frontier Foundation - (EFF). Organization founded by Mitch Kapor (of Lotus fame) and John Perry Barlow (writer and Grateful Dead songwriter) to establish laws for ŠcyberspaceĆ and apply the constitution to Švirtual communitiesĆ. Fractals - Images created using Šchaos theoryĆ. A mish-mash of colors presented in a pattern that repeats itself many times over. A popular type of fractal image is one created using the "Mandlebrot set". Fractals are considered ŠcyberdelicĆ art. Gibson, William - Considered by most to be the "father" of ŠcyberpunkĆ, along with ŠBruce SterlingĆ. His works include the infamous "Neuromancer", "Count Zero", "Mona Lisa Overdrive" (these 3 works are known as the ŠsprawlĆ series), "The Difference Engine" with which he was co-author with ŠBruce SterlingĆ, and "Burning Chrome" a collection of short stories. Hist latest work is a poem in "ŠAgrippa: A Book of the DeadĆ". Gibson says he will no longer be writing the "classic" ŠcyberpunkĆ novels he is famous for. Hacker - 60's (1st) generation (orig. MIT): one who tinkers with software, electronics, computer hardware, etc. 80's (2nd) ŠWarGamesĆ generation: one who enters computer systems without permission with either malicious or non-malicious intent, to gain, alter, or destroy information (labelled as ŠcrackersĆ by the 60's generation). 90's (3rd) generation: often called ŠcyberpunksĆ, mostly non-malicious ŠcrackersĆ interested in information for the sake of information, and not hacking for the sake of the hack - sometimes calling themselves "information liberators", they have re-adopted more of the original hacker ethic of the 60's which states mainly "all information should be free", "access to computers should be unlimited and total" and "promote decentralization". This new, 3rd generation is commonly associated with the computer underground, despite its mostly non-malicious intent. Industrial - A subculture revolving around industrial music, a collection of mostly electronically created sounds and samples that results in a fierce explosion of sound labelled by many as "the new punk". This subculture is generally anti-political, anti-aesthetic in nature. Internet - A large and very popular world-wide computer network begun by the Defense Department in the 60's that connects educational institutions, corporations, organizations, and military and government installations around the globe. Some organizations exist that offer access to the Internet to the general public for an hourly/monthly/yearly fee. See the "BBSes" section of this article for more info, particularly those BBSes listed with "public access unix" next to them. Suggested are places like the ŠWELLĆ, ŠMindVoxĆ, Nyx (which is free of cost), NetCom, etc. Many Internet users partake in reading and contributing to ŠUsenetĆ, playing ŠMUDĆs, FTPing text files and programs free of charge at the various FTP sites, and 'telnet'ing to other Internet sites. Because of its accessibility at a relatively low cost, size (the largest computer network in the world), connectivity, and infinite amounts of information, many network users prefer the Internet to such services as CompuServe (often called Compu$erve on the Internet) or Prodigy (which is more restricting in its content). The Internet has something to offer for everyone. Other portions of this file such as the suggested newsgroups list, list of FTP sites, and list of 'telnet'able services and sites, should be very helpful to the new Internet user. Once you gain access to the Internet, it is suggested that you read the 'news.announce.newusers' and 'news.newusers.questions' and 'news.answers' newsgroups on ŠUsenetĆ. You might also want to read the file 'NixPub: Listing of Public Access Unix sites' to find an Internet dial-up (BBS/Service) in your area. <to be cont'd>
cyber.culture.49 dikla,
> Da li je to samo samnom slucaj, ali opsta atmosfera na Sezamu > je bas zamorna. Non stop sutke ;( Stvar je u tome sto vecina korisnika diskusije na S shvata isuvise ozbiljno i licno, iz cega i proizilazi 'fenomen sutke' koji je u zadnje vreme vrlo prisutan..;( A da ne pominjem i eksponiranje_po_svaku_cenu mladje populacije S koji bi po svaku cenu da skrenu paznju na sebe...;)
cyber.culture.50 mikis,
+> ŠWilliam GibsonĆ which is unreadable after having been read once. +> form of Švirtual communityĆ existing in ŠcyberspaceĆ where ... Ima li načina da nekako središ taj kodni raspored (YUSCII)? Ovako sve vrvi od ŠĆ (slova, ne zagrade - prim. za juskijevce ;) ) u engleskom tekstu :( p.s. Svaka čast na prilozima :)
cyber.culture.51 novim,
" Ima li načina da nekako središ taj kodni raspored (YUSCII)? Ovako " sve vrvi od ŠĆ (slova, ne zagrade - prim. za juskijevce ;) ) u " engleskom tekstu :( Da ne bi da ti i čitam pred spavanje? :))) Ma, Alt-p, pa uzmi search & replace, što će ti pomoći da središ to po svojoj volji; može pomoći i Dejanov uyu... Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je engleski tekst...)
cyber.culture.52 fifana,
> Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehnicke > kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogresio? :) Jesi. Lj.
cyber.culture.53 dragisha,
-> Da ne bi da ti i čitam pred spavanje? :))) Ma, Alt-p, pa uzmi search & -> replace, što će ti pomoći da središ to po svojoj volji; može pomoći i -> Dejanov uyu... Ne moraš baš pred spavanje, ali bi mogao u exec-u da dodaš jedan set code none na početak i set code yuscii na kraj, tako da ne radi ulaznu konverziju podrazumijevajući da baš to želiš. A mi to evidentno ne želimo.:) Mali korak za novim-a, a veliki za čovječanstvo :). Ako preporučuješ uyu ili s&r, onda ovakvo slanje poruka nema smisla, jer OLR je onda samo jedna karika u filetransfer lancu, a za to je dokazano bolji attach. -> Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je -> engleski tekst...) Nikakav problem da je to YUSCII. Ali ASCII... :) -- [If a program is useful, it must be changed.]
cyber.culture.54 novim,
" Ne moraš baš pred spavanje, ali bi mogao u exec-u da dodaš jedan set " code none na početak i set code yuscii na kraj, tako da ne radi ulaznu " konverziju podrazumijevajući da baš to želiš. A mi to evidentno ne " želimo.:) Mali korak za novim-a, a veliki za čovječanstvo :). " " Ako preporučuješ uyu ili s&r, onda ovakvo slanje poruka nema smisla, " jer OLR je onda samo jedna karika u filetransfer lancu, a za to je " dokazano bolji attach. Ama, baš hoćete sažvakano. Rekao sam: nema, sem izuzetno, attach (u Sezamovom smislu kačenja fajla uz poruku). Dakle, ko voli, voli, ko ne - ne, idemo dalje. ----- _____________________ ____________________ / __________________/ / ________________/ / /____________ / / / ____________/ / / / / / /_______________ /__/ uture /__________________/ ulture ___________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ đ___________________________________________________________________đ <...> ______________________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Cultural Literacy đ đ______________________đ Legion of Doom - (LoD). A legendary group of ŠhackersĆ from the Šcomputer undergroundĆ. When they disbanded, some members went on to form a computer security firm (ComSec), Loyd Blankenship wrote GURPS Cyberpunk for ŠSteve Jackson GamesĆ and some ended up in jail from ŠOperation SundevilĆ. Matrix - Term coined by William Gibson which refers to the consensual hallucination of ŠcyberspaceĆ. MindVox - A Švirtual communityĆ in ŠcyberspaceĆ, also a ŠBBSĆ connected to the ŠInternetĆ. A nexus of the Šcomputer undergroundĆ and ŠcyberpunkĆ and Švirtual realityĆ begun by Phantom Access Technologies, former members of the ŠLegion of DoomĆ. See also the ŠWELLĆ Mirrorshades - A very important collection of ŠcyberpunkĆ fiction by various authors, most of whom are labelled as the Šmirrorshades groupĆ. This book is edited by ŠBruce SterlingĆ and should be available in most bookstores. Mirrorshades Group - Original collection of ŠcpĆ authors which includes William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, Tom Maddox, Lewis Shiner, John Shirley, SF Eye magazine editor Steve Brown, Rudy Rucker, Pat Cadigan, and others. Mondo 2000 - Very popular ŠcyberpunkĆ and Šnew edgeĆ magazine. Subscription information is available elsewhere in this file. MUD - Multi-User Domain, Multi-User Dungeon, or Multi-User Dimension. MUDs are multi-user role-playing-games of sorts that exist on the ŠInternetĆ for entertainment purposes. MUDs are essentially text-based Švirtual worldsĆ which players (participants) may explore, change, or add on to. In some cases, the MUD is not actually a "game" with scores, player attributes, levels, etc., but some MUDs are set up this way. MUDs tend to be based around different science fiction genres such as fantasy, space, or even ŠcyberpunkĆ. Some MUD environments have no defining characteristics. Nanotechnology - the science of "micro-machines". Small gears or other machines seen only by a microscope, that can be used in areas such as medicine and health, art, and other technologies. Net - A computer network. Often used to mean the ŠInternetĆ when referred to as "the net" Netrunner - see ŠhackerĆ. New Edge - Fringe culture and fringe science, mostly techno-oriented, and very popular in Southern California. ŠMondo 2000Ć is a magazine devoted to the new edge. Nootropics - A new fringe science revolving around drugs used to increase intelligence, aid in memory, enhance brain activity, etc. Touted as a fad by some, others claim that use of nootropics actually work. See also ŠSmartDrinksĆ. Operation Sundevil - Secret Service operation begun in 1990 intended to destroy the Šcomputer undergroundĆ by confiscating ŠBBSesĆ and detaining ŠhackersĆ. Phrack - An important magazine existing only in ŠcyberspaceĆ, of interest to the Šcomputer undergroundĆ. It's founder, Craig Neidorf, now works for the ŠElectronic Frontier FoundationĆ. Phreaker - ŠHackingĆ the phone system. Usually meaning to get phone calls for free, whether by ŠboxingĆ or Šcc fraudĆ. Post-modern - Literary, artistic, cultural, and philosophical movement revolving around the post-industrial world in which we live, and the unique aspects of the trends of modern society. Raves - A subculture revolving around all-night dance parties. Typically, the parties are illegal and thus a complex process is involved to find out where they are located. Rave music is ŠtechnoĆ, the parties usually include 1 or more DJs. Also present in many cases are "chill out rooms" which feature more ambient music. Lasers, blaring music, ŠcyberdelicĆ images, ŠSmartDrinksĆ and drugs (most often MDMA šX, XTC, Ecstacy, Eć, LSD šacidć, ketamine, or nootropics) are all large contributors to the rave eXperience. Raves are generally illegal gatherings, held in empty warehouses, and last until the next morning. Another large part of rave culture is the flyers - used to find out where your next party will be. Raves are meant to be very happy events, everyone is happy and open and free, lay your inhibitions aside for the night. Some have likened the rave eXperience to "a weekly roving Štechno-Ćwoodstock for the 90's." Rave fashion includes over-sized baggy t-shirts and pants, hooded sweat-shirts, ski caps, and usually bright colors. Slipstream - Term coined by ŠBruce SterlingĆ to denote cyberpunk fiction, particularly pre-1984 fictional works that have been influential to the Šmirrorshades groupĆ or that closely resemble cyberpunk, but are usually outside of the sf genre. An example would be William S. Burroughs. SmartDrugs - ŠnootropicsĆ SmartDrinks - Similar to SmartDrugs, or ŠnootropicsĆ, the intent of these substances, loaded with vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and other healthy substances, is to aid in brain functioning. Smart Drinks are most often consumed at ŠravesĆ, thus, the purpose of some smart drinks is to "energize" the drinker, not to make them smarter. Sprawl - Word used by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ to mean large mega-cities, and places where different cities collide. Southern California and New York City might be early examples of the sprawl. This word is used often in modern times as "urban sprawl". Steve Jackson Games - RPG manufacturers which have played a key role in the evolution of ŠcyberpunkĆ and the Šcomputer undergroundĆ. Operators of the Illuminati BBS and makers of GURPS Cyberpunk, an RPG guide written by Loyd Blankenship, a member of the ŠLegion of DoomĆ. Sterling, Bruce - considered by most to be the "co-founder" of ŠcyberpunkĆ along with ŠWilliam GibsonĆ. He is the editor of "Mirrorshades: A cyberpunk anthology", which is considered the quintessential collection of ŠcpĆ works by the Šmirrorshades groupĆ. His other works include "Islands in the Net", "Schizmatrix", "The Involution Ocean", "The Artificial Kid", "The Difference Engine" which he co-authored with ŠGibsonĆ and "The Hacker Crackdown" a non-fiction account of the Šcomputer undergroundĆ and ŠOperation SundevilĆ, including the ŠElectronic Frontier FoundationĆ, ŠPhrackĆ, the ŠLegion of DoomĆ, ŠSteve Jackson GamesĆ, etc. Techno- - prefix similar to cyber-, referring to anything which has its roots in current or futuristic technology. Techno - type of music made almost entirely with the help of computers, revolving around a fast-paced drum beat (as high as 160 BPM), sampling, and synthesizers. Teledildonics - Virtual sex in a Švirtual environmentĆ. Term often used by the Šnew edgeĆ community. 2600 - A popular hardcopy magazine devoted to the Šcomputer undergroundĆ. Subscription information is obtained elsewhere in this file. Usenet - A collection of "newsgroups" on the ŠInternetĆ, in which ŠInternetĆ users may post or read messages on almost any subject imaginable. The topics of discussion are divided up into the individual newsgroups, which total about 2000 on average. Usenet is divided into various large sections, including the 'alt'ernative newsgroups, the 'comp'uter newsgroups, the 'sci'ence newsgroups and the 'talk' newsgroups. A suggested list of newsgroups is contained in this file. Some groups are moderated, while most remain completely uncensored. Virtual Community - any group or gathering that exists in ŠcyberspaceĆ. This could be a ŠBBSĆ, a ŠhackingĆ group, a ŠnetĆ, or even a ŠzaibatsuĆ. Virtual Culture - the collection of Švirtual communitiesĆ, and the cultural aspects unique to those communities. Virtual Environment - a Švirtual worldĆ. Virtual Reality - a consensual hallucination of a world existing only in ŠcyberspaceĆ. Modern day virtual reality uses helmets, gloves, and body suits to create such a world, which is first created on a computer and connected to the vr devices. The goal of virtual reality is to generate a completely alternate reality. Research in vr includes networking people, so spacial limitations are meaningless. The possibilities of vr-generated environments are as limitless as the imagination. Virtual World - a world existing in ŠcyberspaceĆ created and used with Švirtual realityĆ technologies. WELL - The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link. An important gridpoint in the ŠmatrixĆ, a Švirtual communityĆ in ŠcyberspaceĆ, also a ŠBBSĆ connected to the ŠInternetĆ. A group concerned mostly with ŠcyberpunkĆ, Švirtual realityĆ, ŠnootropicsĆ, and other aspects of the Šnew edgeĆ. Zaibatsu - Japanese term used a lot by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ that means a large mega-corporation, such as Sony for example. <to be cont'd>
cyber.culture.55 dragisha,
-> " Molim Novicu da postuje daemon entry iz JAR u cyber.culture :). -> -> Glad to.:)) Elem: Sretni sam vlasnik jarg300.info, i zanima me postoji li način da postanem sretni vlasnik WWW varijante istog, prostim downloadom nekog konjvertora? Mosaic mi nekako više leži od ovog info-a :). -- [C program run. C program crash. C programmer cry.]
cyber.culture.56 fancy,
ŮŢ> đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ ŮŢ> ŠcyberspaceĆ. Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. Nemaš pojma kako ogavno izgleda bilo šta u zagradama... Ajde bar set code none, neće biti šteta da nemaš YU slova, ali u ovim textovima koje skidaš i šalješ ima dosta srednjih zagrada, pajpova, bekslešova... Sam sebe miniraš...
cyber.culture.57 alien,
[] Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je [] engleski tekst...) Zar je moguće da tebi treba da se objašnjava da postoji naredba SET CODE? ;) Kada šalješ ASCII tekst (u kome se koriste znaci koji su u tvom kodnom rasporedu rezervisani za 'kukičasta' slova), namesti kod na NONE, a posle vrati na svoj kodni raspored. Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova.
cyber.culture.58 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ > Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehnicke Ů│ ˙ > kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogresio? :) Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ Jesi. Pa vadi me iz zablude, k'o Boga te molim. :)
cyber.culture.59 novim,
" " Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime " sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. Postajete dosadni kao muve. Da vam nacrtam kako da konvertujete? Napišem kako se koristi alt-p u Soru, potom uyu? Ili kako se na vga karti može skakati iz yusci u ascii? Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?!
cyber.culture.60 novim,
" Zar je moguće da tebi treba da se objašnjava da postoji " naredba SET CODE? ;) Kada šalješ ASCII tekst (u kome se koriste " znaci koji su u tvom kodnom rasporedu rezervisani za 'kukičasta' " slova), namesti kod na NONE, a posle vrati na svoj kodni raspored. " Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst " u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova. Zašto bih to radio? Zato što TI imaš problem? Koji JA treba da reašavam i NE pišem svojim rasporedom??? Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti? Ja sebi ne bih takvo pravo davao dokle god sam pri zdravoj svesti. Podrazumeva se da ću pisati kako pišem, uključujući tu i kodni raspored, a tvoja podrazumevanja ostavljam, naravno, tebi. I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijal- nostima, gde se drugi ima pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima. ---- Dakle, idemo dalje: _____________________ ____________________ / __________________/ / ________________/ / /____________ / / / ____________/ / / / / / /_______________ /__/ uture /__________________/ ulture ___________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ đ___________________________________________________________________đ <...> ______________________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Books: đ đ__________đ ??? American Flagg - comic Cyberpunk - comic Dirty Pair - comic Judge Dredd - comic PIHKAL: A Chemical Love Story Anonymous - Go Ask Alice. Diary of 15 year-old girl in the drug world. - Computers: Crimes, Clues, and Controls. Hacking. Acker, Kathy - Blood and Guts in High School (fiction). - Don Quixote, which was a dream (fiction). - Empire of the Senseless (fiction). - Great Expectations (fiction) Adams, Douglas - The Meaning of Liff (fiction). - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (fiction). - The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (fiction). - Life, the Universe, and Everything (fiction). - So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish (fiction). Aldiss, Brian Wilson - Barefoot in the Head: A European Fantasia (fiction). - Enemies of the System (fiction) Algren, Nelson - Man with the Golden Arm (fiction). Army, U.S. - Computer-Related Crime Ashby, W. Ross - An Introduction to Cybernetics Austakalnis, Steve & David Blatner - Silicon Mirage. Vr. Bachman, Richard - The Running Man (fiction) Ballard, J. G. - The Atrocity Exhibition (Re/Search publication) - Crash (fiction). - Concrete Island - High rise Barlow, John Perry - Everything We Know is Wrong (forthcoming). 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cyber.culture.61 fancy,
(iz jedne ranije poruke) Ţ> Zašto bih to radio? Zato što TI imaš problem? Koji JA treba da Ţ> reašavam i NE pišem svojim rasporedom??? Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti Ţ> određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti? Ja sebi ne bih takvo pravo davao Ţ> dokle god sam pri zdravoj svesti. Podrazumeva se da ću pisati kako Ţ> pišem, uključujući tu i kodni raspored, a tvoja podrazumevanja Ţ> ostavljam, naravno, tebi. I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijal- Ţ> nostima, gde se drugi ima pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima. ŮŢ> Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih ŮŢ> tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?! ^^ Potpuno si bezrazložno agresivan. Nisi dobar domaćin. Goodbye c.c
cyber.culture.63 mikis,
+> Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih +> tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?! Okej, tvoja volja. Ja sam te zamolio zato što sam mislio da je jednostavnije da ti u svoj exec ubaciš jedno ..set code none ..conf rep cyber.culture (blablabla...) ..set code yuscii nego da se 5 - 10 - 50 ljudi koji prate ovu konferenciju i koji nemaju YUSCII zezaju sa konvertovanjem, search & replace, i sličnim stvarima... Tebi oduzima 20-30 sekundi, nama dva-tri minuta. No, nema veze, tvoja volja, neću više da lenjirašim.
cyber.culture.64 crncic,
>> Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih >> tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?! Pa dobro, onda počni da kačiš te tekstove uz poruke.
cyber.culture.65 novim,
/Fancy, 14.56:/ " sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. ****** /Fancy, 14:61:/ " Potpuno si bezrazložno agresivan. Nisi dobar domaćin. " Goodbye c.c Bezrazložno agresivan, veliš? Ok, odustajem.
cyber.culture.66 novim,
" Pa dobro, onda počni da kačiš te tekstove uz poruke. Već rekoh da ću ovde slati duže Internet poruke, i da ko hoće da ih čita neka ih čita, a ko neće niko mu neće ništa. Navike da se prelistvaju a ne čitaju poruke - što bi bilo u redu da nije još gore navike da se odgovara na poruke koje se samo jednim okom pregledaju - nisu i moje navike, kao što nisu ni navike na Internetu, odakle i potiču sve ove dugačke poruke koje bacam ovde. Tamo se, kad se ima šta, piše onoliko koliko predmet traži. Tema cyber.culture otvorena je pre 7 dana. Da će poruke biti takve rečeno je dva puta pre otvaranja teme, a onda još tri puta za ovih sedam dana (v. 14.18, 14.24, 14.41). Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana. Izvinjavam se posebno Balindi, koji je temu na moje traženje i otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za kulturu. Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na preganjanje oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku 14.7 očigledno sam shvatio olako. Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail, uputiću ga sa kojeg BBS-a će moći da nastavi da skida te stvari.
cyber.culture.67 aandrejin,
> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka > prihvati > moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim > neuspelim > pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za > kulturu. > Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na > preganjanje > oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku > 14.7 > očigledno sam shvatio olako. Ma daj, za*ebi ŠLenjirašeĆ. Dobro je počelo. Energiju oko preganjanja nemoj ni da trošiš nego šalji još poruka sa Interneta. Glupo je da jedna ovako dobra tema brzo zamre. U svakom slučaju meni se tema dopala, a Š i Ć mi ne smetaju uopšte. (dobro, možda malo) Na pamet mi nebi palo da protestujem zbog toga i nevidim čemu rasprava. ŠPozdrav aaĆ :))
cyber.culture.68 sale,
>> " Pa dobro, onda počni da kačiš te tekstove uz poruke. >>... >> Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se >> čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana. >>... >> Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail, >> uputiću ga sa kojeg BBS-a će moći da nastavi da skida te stvari. Eto na kojem je nivou cyber culture u nas... :( žovek ima inicijativu, koju svi prihvate kao cool, i (dobro, posle malo natezanja) otvori se tema, i onda svima ODJEDNOM bude TOLIKI problem to banalno konvertovanje... Svidja mi se ideja da se tekstovi NE kače kao datoteke, već da budu normalne poruke. Problem je što novim koristi yuscii, pa kada se u tekstu na engleskom jeziku pojavljuju "kuke i kvake" one se vama sa ne-yuscii rasporedima konvertuju u taj vaš ne-yuscii raspored. Umesto da dižete galamu, lepo pređite na yuscii... ;-) (šala, ne treba opet počinjati tu temu, pogotovu ne ovde). Možda je stvarno najjednostavniji predlog da novim doda u autoexec :cybersend ..set code none ..co jo civ ..co wri cyber.culture ..set code yuscii I time jednom svojom komandom radi ono što ionako radi sa dve, a svi budu mirni i zadovoljni. U kakvoj su vezi reči "tolerancija", "razumevanje", "nenasilno rešavanje sukoba" sa cyber.culture? (a ovakvo rešavanje jeste nasilno, jer se ubija jedinstvena tema ) :( Zašto u našoj (yu) cyber kulturi mora da preovlađuju upravo najgore stvari iz "real" kulture? Dole cyber-dizelaši i slični!
cyber.culture.69 fancy,
ŮŢ>" sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. ŮŢ> ****** Znaš šta... nemoj da se praviš blesav..! :( Ne izvlači rečenice iz konteksta, nema smisla, a i ne stoji ti..! Moja originalna poruka 14.56 je kao što se sećaš glasila: Ţ> Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime Ţ> sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. Ako nisi u stanju da vidiš šaljiv ton u toj rečenici, onda, jebi ga... Ako treba da ti crtam, i nacrtaću ti: Moja molba da u porukama sa textovima koje šalješ setuješ code none, NIJE uperena protivu tvoje ličnosti i slobode da izabereš najbolji kodni raspored za sebe, nego je rukovođena žISTO ESTETSKIM razlozima. Nije tačno da sam ti ja jedini to sugerisao, ali ako si toliko sujetan da tako teško doživljavaš kritike, onda stvarno..:(( žemu potezanje raznih uvreda tipa "lenjiraši..."..? žemu tolika oholost i prepotencija..? Aman čoveče, pa čim sam ti napisao da "sabotiraš sam sebe" (u istoj poruci) znači da mi je stalo da to izgleda OK. Da me je boleo q-ruts za sve, ne bih ti ni pisao... ŮŢ> Bezrazložno agresivan, veliš? Ok, odustajem. ^^^^^^^^^ Opet..? :)))) Ma hajde... Šta je ovo? Još jedna od igara "ako neće da bude po mome, onda neću da se igram..." Ne budi smešan, pa ovde smo svi čak i pristali na tvoja pravila igre, zainteresovao si ljude cyber pisanijem, ali tvoj odnos prema onima koji ti upućuju bilo kakvu kritiku, pa makar i kroz šalu, nije u redu... Šta sad..? Sad ćeš kao da se povučeš i kao nećeš više da šalješ priloge jer te je neko, kao, uvredio... Ajde ne brukaj se više, i šalji te priloge, makar i sa ŠĆ zagradama... Nemaš pravo da odustaneš, jer si ti povukao ovu temu. I, prestani da se ponašaš kao razmaženo derle.
cyber.culture.70 severian,
> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati > moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim > pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za > kulturu. Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na > preganjanje oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Izvini, ali ovo je zaista patetično. Pa, ljudi su samo predložili da setuješ ascii. Nećeš, ok! Ali, nemoj sada da se ponašaš kao sujetni klinac i da vičeš: 'neću više da se igram!'... Ovo je odlična tema i TREBA da živi... ps: oprosti ako sam bio suviše neposredan(s' obzirom da se lično ne poznajemo).
cyber.culture.71 alien,
[] Zašto bih to radio? Zar je moguće da TEBI, Novice, treba da objašnjavati zašto se treba ponašati pristojno? :( [] Zato što TI imaš problem? Nemam JA problem nego TI! (O prirodi tvog problema neću da diskutujem jer bi bilo neukusno.) [] Koji JA treba da reašavam i NE pišem svojim rasporedom??? Ovde si mi veoma olakšao posao ;> jer si i sam (u poruci 14.51) napisao: [] Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je [] engleski tekst...) S obzirom na to da koristiš kodni raspored koji u sebi ne sadrži potpun ASCII set, svoje poruke i kod na Sezamu bi trebalo da prilagodiš tome. [] Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti? Paranoja je sjajna stvar ;>. U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored (iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema ;) ). Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da ga podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII. Dakle, samo za tebe, ono što si tisuću puta do sada video (upućeno drugim korisnicima): SET CODE! [] Ja sebi ne bih takvo pravo davao dokle god sam pri zdravoj svesti. Kada je to poslednji put bilo? ;) [] Podrazumeva se da ću pisati kako pišem, uključujući tu i kodni raspored, Nema problema, Novice. Trpeću i dalje tvoja iživljavanja i praštaću ti jer te smatram prijateljem :). [] a tvoja podrazumevanja ostavljam, naravno, tebi. Da si 'pri zdravoj svesti', shvatio bi da ne treba da koristiš dva različita kodna rasporeda u jednoj poruci. [] I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijalnostima, gde se drugi ima [] pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima. Jok, nego ćemo da se pokorimo hirovima esejističkog ekstremiste koji je umislio da je Vojvoda od Šibernetske Autonomne Oblasti ;>. Lepo je od tebe što si konstatovao da su u pitanju trivijalnosti, ali je tužno to što ti te trivijalnosti ne shvataš. Crtam: Ihr beiden, die ihr mir so oft. In Not und Trčbsal, beigestanden, Sagt, was ihr wohl in deutschen Landen Von unsrer Unternehmung hofft? Ich wčnschte sehr der Menge zu behagen, Besonders weil sie lebt und leben lšßt. Die Pfosten sind, die Bretter aufgeschlagen, Und jedermann erwartet sich ein Fest. Sie sitzen schon, mit hohen Augenbrauen, Gelassen da und mđchten gern erstaunen. Ich weiß, wie man den Geist des Volks versđhnt; Doch so verlegen bih ich nie gewesen: Zwar sind sie an das Beste nicht gewđhnt, Allein sie haben schrecklich viel gelesen. Wie machen wir's, daß alles frisch und neu Und mit Bedeutung auch gefšllig sei? ... Ovako izgleda kada se tekst na nemačkom pošalje sa SET CODE Custom2, a u (mom) odgovoru imaš isti taj tekst poslat tako što je u exec pre poruke stavljeno SET CODE NONE, a posle poruke SET CODE Custom2. Oni koji koriste C2 neće primetiti razliku, ali nije ni bitno jer je cilj ovoga da pokažem da se i sa C2 mogu javiti problemi kakvi se (vrlo često ;> ) javljaju kada se koristi YUSCII.
cyber.culture.72 alien,
Ihr beiden, die ihr mir so oft. In Not und Trübsal, beigestanden, Sagt, was ihr wohl in deutschen Landen Von unsrer Unternehmung hofft? Ich wünschte sehr der Menge zu behagen, Besonders weil sie lebt und leben läßt. Die Pfosten sind, die Bretter aufgeschlagen, Und jedermann erwartet sich ein Fest. Sie sitzen schon, mit hohen Augenbrauen, Gelassen da und möchten gern erstaunen. Ich weiß, wie man den Geist des Volks versöhnt; Doch so verlegen bih ich nie gewesen: Zwar sind sie an das Beste nicht gewöhnt, Allein sie haben schrecklich viel gelesen. Wie machen wir's, daß alles frisch und neu Und mit Bedeutung auch gefällig sei? ...
cyber.culture.73 novim,
" Izvini, ali ovo je zaista patetično. Pa, ljudi su samo " predložili da setuješ ascii. Nećeš, ok! Ali, nemoj sada da se " ponašaš kao sujetni klinac i da vičeš: 'neću više da se igram!'... " Ovo je odlična tema i TREBA da živi... 1. Patetično - jer zaista nemam volje da svaki drugi dan objašnjavam da je svima pod rukom i resign i ignore, da neću prepričavati već davati izvorni Internet materijal, da su poruke dugačke jer su takve? Nije patetično - nego je meni postalo dosadno. Jaaaako dosadno. 2. Yuscii/Ascii: kombinacija je izuzetno fleksibilna za Internet razmenu: sedmobitna je (što je jako važno), i bez problema se može - ko je koristi - grafički menjati na ekranu (bilo GBiočićevim Foggy programom, bilo NBogićevićevim paketom za YUS015); takođe je jako fleksibilna za rad pod Linuxom. Dokle god tako bude, ne menja mi se ta kombinacija. (Skakanje u exec pred svako slanje, tj. skakanje kroz rasporede, lišava me upravo te kombinacije; odustajanje od domaćih slova nije cena koja mi se plaća ni u kojoj varijanti - pisao sam zimus onoliko o tome da BeoNet vrska poput klinca koji nije pošao u osnovnu školu.) Verujem u konvenciju po kojoj primalac teksta konvertuje u svoj kodni raspored, koji hoće i kako hoće, a ne pošiljalac. (Da šaljem neki C source, a ne običan tekst, još bih razumeo...) 3. Neću, dakle - ok, ali ne smem da kažem - neću! :))) U poređenju s ovom logikom, sve više mi se sviđa sujeta klinaca koji, kad kažu neću, i misle - neću. :) 4. Neka živi. Ja sam skeptičan u pogledu sadašnjeg Sezama kao mesta za nju. Ali nastavite, cyber-polje je široko, na sreću. :) Konačno, valjda i ja treba da imam nešto da čitam.
cyber.culture.74 novim,
" ŮŢ>" sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. " ŮŢ> ****** " " Znaš šta... nemoj da se praviš blesav..! :( " Ne izvlači rečenice iz konteksta, nema smisla, a i ne stoji ti..! " Moja originalna poruka 14.56 je kao što se sećaš glasila: " " Ţ> Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime " Ţ> sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII. " " Ako nisi u stanju da vidiš šaljiv ton u toj rečenici, onda, jebi ga... 1. Nisam pristalica javnih psovki. Ni u jednom kontekstu. Na raspolaganju nam je gomila reči da kažemo ono što hoćemo. Bez patetike psovanja. Bez pravljenja blesavim. 2. Zašto Yuscii/Ascii - imaš u odgovoru na drugu poruku (na 14.70). 3. Konvencija, po mom sudu, podrazumeva da primalac poruke prilagođava poruku, a ne pošiljalac.
cyber.culture.75 novim,
" ŠĆ Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti? " Paranoja je sjajna stvar ;>. U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao " da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored (iako je činjenica da bi to " bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema ;) ). Od tebe se ovde " traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da ga " podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII. Dakle, samo za tebe, ono što si Ej, jesi li čuo za kontradikciju? a) "U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored". b) "(iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema. Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored" itd. Dakle, odluči: ili a) ili b). Ili ne sugerišeš ili, pak, tražiš. Ne može oba. Mislim da ipak tražiš, sugerišeš, ili kako već želiš. Rekao sam: nemam tu nameru, možeš sam da poruku koju primaš središ kako ti je volja. Problem je tvoj, a ne moj, i to ponovo kažem. - Onom ko hoće da čita to je dovoljno, a ko neće - ne mora. Dokle treba da ponavljam da je to tvoj problem, da ja nemam problema sa kombinacijom Yuscii/Ascii? Ad nauseam... Ostale tvoje uvrede preskačem, mnogo ih je i - neozbiljno je za javnu raspravu.
cyber.culture.76 stigor,
Pretvoriste i ovu temu u standardnu "prepucavajuću", a taman sam pomislio evo nečeg novog i zanimiljivog ... Batalite te "nehumane" razgovore pa da krenemo u svet cyber.culture ...
cyber.culture.77 alien,
[] " Paranoja je sjajna stvar ;>. U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao [] " da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored (iako je činjenica da bi to [] " bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema ;) ). Od tebe se ovde [] " traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da [] " ga podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII. [] [] Ej, jesi li čuo za kontradikciju? [] [] a) "U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi [] kodni raspored". [] [] b) "(iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje [] problema. Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored" itd. [] [] Dakle, odluči: ili a) ili b). Ili ne sugerišeš ili, pak, tražiš. Ne [] može oba. Aj' što si pokušao masakriranjem konteksta da stvoriš iluziju da si u pravu, ali si prevideo ono najbitnije (opet ne čitaš?!). Nije poenta onoga što sam napisao bila u tome da li nešto sugerišem ili tražim, nego šta sugerišem ili tražim. Napisao sam lepo: [][] U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš [][] drugi kodni raspored... -------- [][] Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored ------- [][] na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da ga podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII. Ovo poslednje znači: _na_onaj_kodni_raspored_koji_koristiš_. Sada ti meni, glupom tehničaru & lenjirašu objasni šta je to kontradikcija... ;> [] Mislim da ipak tražiš, sugerišeš, ili kako već želiš. TRAčIM I SUGERIŠEM da podesiš svoj kodni raspored na Sezamu naredbom SET CODE na onaj kodni raspored koji koristiš u svojim porukama. [] Rekao sam: nemam tu nameru, možeš sam da poruku koju primaš središ kako [] ti je volja. žemu onda SET CODE na Sezamu? žemu onda SOR? žemu uopšte civilizacija (ne mislim na konferenciju) ako nas cyber culture spušta na nivo pećinskih ljudi? Zar ne shvataš da je krajnje nekulturno to što očekuješ od ljudi koji ovo prate, od ljudi koji s tobom komuniciraju da gube ogromno vreme jer ti odbijaš da učiniš jednu sasvim jednostavnu stvar? [] Problem je tvoj, a ne moj, i to ponovo kažem. SET CODE! [] - Onom ko hoće da čita to je dovoljno, a ko neće - ne mora. Šta je dovoljno? Dovoljno je da TI kažeš da si TI u pravu i to je dovoljno? Nekim ljudima bih možda tako nešto i prihvatio, ali ti si čovek koji je u stanju da tvrdi da je pojam pobijen (idejom ;) ) te tvoje tvrdnje sasvim sigurno ne treba tako olako prihvatati. [] Dokle treba da ponavljam da je to tvoj problem, da ja nemam problema [] sa kombinacijom Yuscii/Ascii? Kombinacija YUSCII/ASCII? Šta je to? Kombinacija YUSCIIja i ASCIIja je nemoguća ako koristiš znake koji se među njima razlikuju. To što ti to ne smatraš problemom je problem koga ti nisi svestan. [] Ad nauseam... Mrzi me da se hvatam rečnika. Ako je ovo bilo bitno, prevedi. [] Ostale tvoje uvrede preskačem, mnogo ih je i - neozbiljno je za javnu [] raspravu. Ništa što sam napisao nije imalo za cilj da te uvredi. Ako si se našao uvređenim, žao mi je. Ja sam samo konstatovao činjenice. Doduše, bio sam i blago zloban... kao i obično O;>.
cyber.culture.78 alien,
[] 1. Patetično - jer zaista nemam volje da svaki drugi dan objašnjavam [] da je svima pod rukom i resign i ignore, Bez obzira na to koliko se ti trudio, tako nešto nećeš dočekati ;>. [] da neću prepričavati već davati izvorni Internet materijal, da su [] poruke dugačke jer su takve? Ko se bunio zbog toga što je materijal izvorni ili što je dugačak? [] Verujem u konvenciju po kojoj primalac teksta konvertuje u svoj [] kodni raspored, koji hoće i kako hoće, a ne pošiljalac. Veruj ti u šta god hoćeš, ali se pridržavaj konvencije koje se ostali na Sezamu drže. Konverziju ovde ne vrši ni pošiljalac ni primalac nego Sezam. Od pošiljaoca se traži samo da napišu iz čega treba da se konvertuje, a od primaoca u šta treba da se konvertuje.
cyber.culture.79 dragisha,
-> Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se -> čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana. -> -> Izvinjavam se posebno Balindi, koji je temu na moje traženje i -> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati -> moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim -> pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za kulturu. -> Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na preganjanje -> oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku 14.7 -> očigledno sam shvatio olako. :(((((((((((((( Koji dio S. populacije je zakevtao na temu pa da ovako reaguješ? I kakve veze ima što je neko zatražio da skloniš yuscii iz ovih poruka? Možda malo više posla za kraj mjeseca kad budeš uklanjao šum i ništa više:). Ja sam predložio kako najbezbolnije da to odradiš, ali pošto si se pokazao tvrd ja sam to odradio sa alt-p to file, convert, import nazad. I tačka. Tvoje napuštanje ove teme je upravo ono što lenjiraši žele. Popuštaš pred lenjirom?:) Jedini koji su za*ebani su oni drugi. :( -- [Programmers don't Byte,they just Nybble a bit]
cyber.culture.80 rcolic,
Evo jednog teksta koji sam nasao u jednom starom broju magazina ACE (za igre i ostalo). Iako je tekst malo out-of-date prilicno me je zainteresovao. Jedini je problem sto sve to izgleda malo kao varka. Uostalom, prosudite sami. Interesuje me da li je neko cuo nesto vise o tome posto je ovo tekst iz 1991 a od tada nema reci o ovome (ili ja nisam naisao na isto). Da skratim.. P.S. izvinjavam se na (ne)kvalitetu slika, posto imam samo rucni skener. From: ACE magazine (april '91.) -= A C T U A L M A N ! =- Is Virtual Reality a thing of the past? Just when games developers had begun to comprehend the myriad opportunities presented by breakthroughs in VR, APOLLO COMMUNICATIONS pull the rug from under their feet. ACE reveals the stunning secrets behind Actual Reality! A converted men's sauna in South Wales is not the most likely place you'd expect to find what could be the most amazing new development in computer entertainment since the last one. It's the unlikely home to Apollo Communications, founded by managing director, chief engineer and sole employee Vince Tyrell. For the last year he has been working on his incredible Actual Reality Sensory Environment, or 'A.R.S.E.', and - out of the blue - invited ACE to take a look. The A.R.S.E. is light years ahead of any other VR system yet seen. The speed, detail and realism of the images generated by the machine are quite literally fantastic - just take a look at some astounding photos on this page (slike su okacene uz poruku - prim.prep). What you can't tell from these static shots is how realistically all the non-visual aspects are modelled as well. Every sound and smell is stunningly reproduced. Touch an object and you can feel its surface texture and temperature. Pick it up and the object's weight and dynamics are exactly simulated. If you didn't know better, you'd swear it was real. Vince stresses the full potential of the A.R.S.E. has barely been explored and it still has quite a bit of work to be done on it, such as shrinking the hardware to a portable size and casing design. But Vince is confident that, finances permitting, everything is on schedule for the anticipated April 1992 launch. Believe us, it'll be worth the wait. As Vince says, "My A.R.S.E. is unbelievable!" INSIDE THE A.R.S.E. Vince is justifyably proud of his A.R.S.E., and is naturally a little reticient about giving too many details of the technical specifications - his system is far and away superior to anything else in development by companies such as W Industries or VPL. When pushed he did offer this , "Basically, it's all very complex." The most immediately stunning aspect of the system is its graphic capabilities. All the objects in the 'game world' are modelled from polygons, just like the 3D graphics found in most games, although far more advanced. Vince eagerly reels of a stream of highly impressive statistics, "It can generate around 40 million pollygons per second (using a blitter adapted from the design used in the Amiga), each of which is any one of over 64 million colours, which is far more than even Amiga in HAM mode. Image update takes place every 50th of a second to ensure maximum realism." But the A.R.S.E. can do far more than just generating high-end graphics. Using a unique and revolutionary nerve-induction technique based on carefully-controlled microwave beams transmitted into the brain, the A.R.S.E. can trick the brain into hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling anything the programmer requires. This approachhas resulted in a complete VR system with all the necessary hardware, bar the complex computer centre, fitting into a compact lightweight headset. Portability has been one of Vince's main objectives. The computer centre and headset communicate via a radio link - no clumsy trailing cables to get under your feet here! Vince admits that the computer centre is the system's only major bug - it's just too large. Eventually customised chips will drastically reduce the size - and cost! - of the system. Unfortunatelly it wasn't possible to get a look at the computer due to the possibility of upseting the delicate magnetic and electric flux fields pervading the computer room, although Vince did show me a picture of it. LIVING ROOM OF THE FUTURE? At the moment the only fully-working simulated environment is one Vince calls simply 'Living Room'. Vince invited me to try it out and I eagerly accepted. I donned the headset and then Vince placed a dark bag over my head while he calibrated some of the AR settings. Vince apologised for this; apparently the system is very sensitive to ultraviolet while being adjusted and very bright lights could easily damage the delicate (and expensive!) sensory equipment. With the bag still over my head Vince lead me to the 'game room'. The radio transmitter currently used is a little weak and player mobility has to be restricted to an area near the computer's transmitter. This will be improved in the final system so that the wearer could walk just about anywhere. Eventually Vince shouted from next door that I could take the bag off. I was in the 'Living Room'... Words really can't convey the amazing feeling of interacting with this highly realistic yet artificial environment. I could pick up objects and put them elsewhere, look inside them, touch, smell and taste them - the crunchy apples in the fruit bowl were delicious! I knocked into a chair and felt pain shoot through my shin! I turned on a lamp and instantly the light-source shading on the other objects in the room changed accordingly! After a few minutes I became so overwhelmed by the experience that I began to feel a little giddy so I replaced the bag on my head, thus ending the session. I heard Vince enter the 'game room' and he helped me to a chair in his office. I was shaking, such ways the system's effect on me! Any who doubt the power of VR, and the A.R.S.E. in particular, should give it a try! THE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH Vince Tyrell has had a fascinatingly varied life. He was born in 1961 in Deptford, south-east London. His father was a car salesman and it was in the car repair shop round the back of the showroom that Vince first developed a love of technology and gadgets. As Vince recalls, "Dad was very keen for me to learn 'the business', as he called it. Some of my earliest memoriess are of peering inside a car bonnet, tinkering with the engine and fiddling with the mileometer." Vince was never happy with formal schooling and left as soon as possible at 15. "Them teachers never taught me nothing of use.", says Vince, his voice tinged with a hint of bitterness. For a while he worked for his father, but knew that his future lay elsewhere. Unfortunatelly his father felt otherwise. "Dad wanted me to learn and carry on the family trade, whereas I felt that we should sell up and put our money into other, more profitable markets. But Dad lacked my vision, you see? Sadly he died in a tragic accident while cleaning my shotgun and - Mum having run-off with his ex-partner several years earlier - left me everything." Although deeply saddened at his father death, Vince sold the garage a couple of days after the funeral and found himself, aged 22, with lots of money and the opportunity to direct his own future. It was around this time that he first began to get interested in the world of computers. He recalls, "Yeah, I thought they were amazing. I used to buy old disused models, open them up and have look inside. It's amazing how much gold you can scrape from those old circuit boards." In 1984 Vince started his own company, Apollo Communications, selling portable phones imported from Taiwan. He later returned to selling other goods imported from Far East, such as calculators, electronic diaries and Phillipino wives. However, it was in 1987 that Vince first heard about Virtual Reality and became fascinated by its potential. "I realised that other researchers were thinking about VR the wrong way. They try to fool the punter's senses. My A.R.S.E. takes that concept a stage further and concetrates on just fooling the punter." Vince started work on the revolutionary system in May 1990 and now feels his A.R.S.E. is ready for inspection. "I'm very happy with it so far," he enthuses, "However, there's still a fair bit of work to be done and my limited funds are running low. I'm keen to hear from anyone willing to invest in me and my company. About 250.000 GBP - in cash, preferably, should do the trick, but more would be nice." GAMES WITHOUT FRONTIERS Vince sees the main application for the A.R.S.E. being entertainment, and has several game ideas in development. He enthuses, "The realism of my A.R.S.E. is incredible. Play 'Actual Tennis' and you'll finish the set tired out with blisters on your hand from the racket." The high level of realism does have its drawbacks though; the planned 'M25 Frogger' and 'Rottweiler Attack' have had to be scrapped. Vince also sees 'adult' entertainment possibilities, and is working on some '18+' game modules. "Cor, it'd be great," drools Vince, "I've put my name down to playtest those ones personally." tekstovi uz fotografije: PUBFIGHT.PCX The proposed 'Pub Fighter' game. It's so sophisticated that you'll drink and actually feel as you're getting drunk. The more you drink the more aggressive you'll get. There are different fight scenarios, such as 'Did you spill my pint?' or 'That's my girl you're looking at'. Playtesters have complained of real bruises and hangovers after a long play session. LIVING.PCX 'The Living Room', currently Vince's only fully working Actual Reality environment. COMPUTER.PCX This huge computer is the force driving the system. Vince assures ACE that "this will be compressed using customised chips so that it can all fit in a shoebox" ready for the system's intended launch in April 1992. ARSE.PCX nema prateceg teksta Pozdrav, Rcolic. arse.zip
cyber.culture.81 novim,
" ŠĆ a) "U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi " ŠĆ kodni raspored". " ŠĆ " ŠĆ b) "(iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije " rešenje ŠĆ problema. Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni " raspored" itd. " Sada ti meni, glupom tehničaru & lenjirašu objasni šta je to " kontradikcija... ;> Da li u onom a) kažeš NE? Da li u ovom b) kažeš DA? To se zove kontradikcija, a s kontradiktornim iskazima se ne raspravlja. Nije ti prvi put da ne umeš da artikulišeš ono što hoćeš, i tu ti ja više ne mogu pomoći. Objasnio sam svoj stav o tome više no jednom. " žemu uopšte civilizacija (ne mislim na konferenciju) ako nas " cyber culture spušta na nivo pećinskih ljudi? Ako te cyber.culture spušta na taj nivo, imaš resign, pa se uznesi do grane. Nemam nameru da se zbog tvoje komocije odreknem domaćih slova (što bi neizbežno bilo ako bih činio kako si tražio IZRIžITO u poruci: =============================== 14.57 CIVILIZACIJA.7:cyber.culture alien, 30.09.94. 09:02, 482 chr Odgovor na 14.51, novim, 28.09.Sre 17:13 --------------------------------------------------------- ŠĆ Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je ŠĆ engleski tekst...) Zar je moguće da tebi treba da se objašnjava da postoji naredba SET CODE? ;) Kada šalješ ASCII tekst (u kome se koriste znaci koji su u tvom kodnom rasporedu rezervisani za 'kukičasta' slova), namesti kod na NONE, a posle vrati na svoj kodni raspored. Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst ║ u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova. ║ -----------------------------------------------14.57 --- Odgovorio sam DVA puta zašto tu cenu pisanja bez naših slova ne mogu da platim. I dalje stoji da je sve to problem koji TI imaš, a ne ja. " Zar ne shvataš da je krajnje nekulturno to što očekuješ od ljudi " koji ovo prate, od ljudi koji s tobom komuniciraju da gube ogromno " vreme jer ti odbijaš da učiniš jednu sasvim jednostavnu stvar? Očekujem da ljudi koji ovo prate razumeju da sam: 1. pretražujući Internet 2. došao do nekih informacija, potom 3. preneo to ovamo, i 4. hteo da to podelim s ostalima, pa sam se 5. izborio za mesto (ovu temu), a onda 6. počeo da šaljem tu cyber.građu. Sve o svom trošku, trudu, vremenu, volji. Očekujem da, kad to shvate, ne očekuju da im sažvaćem (prepričam u 2-3 reda - ja stalno podsećam da je i to Sezamovcima problem), i da konverzije u svoje rasporede urade sami. Ako sam uradio ono prvo, mislim da svako može da uradi i ovo poslednje (piece of cake). " Kombinacija YUSCII/ASCII? Šta je to? Kombinacija YUSCIIja i " ASCIIja je nemoguća ako koristiš znake koji se među njima razlikuju. " To što ti to ne smatraš problemom je problem koga ti nisi svestan. Kombinacija Yuscii/Ascii je shvatljiva onom ko ima posla sa Internetom, tj. sedmobitnim prenosom na Unixu ili Vaxu, i ne žele da se odreknu naših znakova. Lenjirima je svejedno kako pišu, ali drugima nije svejedno. Objasnio sam takođe da je za one koji se odluče za tu kombinaciju prelaz između Š i uglaste zagrade stvar trivijalna (F10 u Biočećevom programčetu). Drugi, ako im naročito smeta (a diglo vas je nekoliko galamu zbog desetak takvih znakova u nekih 30 Kb teksta! ne, dobićete ignore k'o vrata), mogu to da srede postupkom s&r. " Ko se bunio zbog toga što je materijal izvorni ili što je dugačak? Umeš li ti da čitaš? Ako umeš - poruke br: 14.17 (odgovor u 14.18), 14.20 (odgovor u 14.23), 14.21 (odgovor 14.24), 14.35 (odgovor u 14.37), 14.65... " Ništa što sam napisao nije imalo za cilj da te uvredi. Ako si " se našao uvređenim, žao mi je. Ja sam samo konstatovao činjenice. " Doduše, bio sam i blago zloban... kao i obično O;>. Daviš neopisivo, prisiljavaš me da ponavljam jedno te isto po peti put, da citiram gluposti koje pišeš ne razmišljajući i tvrdeći potom da ih nisi pisao, etc. - Jedan ignore tebi, da konačno završimo.
cyber.culture.82 novim,
" Pretvoriste i ovu temu u standardnu "prepucavajuću", a taman sam " pomislio evo nečeg novog i zanimiljivog ... Batalite te "nehumane" " razgovore pa da krenemo u svet cyber.culture ... PO 8. PUT: BIĆE OVDE DUGIH PORUKA, NEĆE BITI KONVERZIJE, KO VOLI NEKA IZVOLI, KO NE - NEKA NE DAVI VIŠE, IMA RESIGN I IGNORE, I - BASTA. (Btw: Da li ikome pada na pamet šta se sve može izvesti na više "dijalekata", tj. kodnih rasporeda? E jeste mi bez mašte, lenjiri moji...) --- Ne odnosi se prethodno na tebe. Naprotiv, koristim tvoju poruku - shvatam je kao podršku, kao i poruke nekih drugih, kojima sam zahvalan - da kažem: plovimo dalje. :) Podrške imamo. :) _____________________ ____________________ / __________________/ / ________________/ / /____________ / / / ____________/ / / / / / /_______________ /__/ uture /__________________/ ulture ___________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ đ___________________________________________________________________đ <...> ______________________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Books: đ đ__________đ Gleick, James - Chaos: The Making of a New Science Grof, Stanislov - The Human Encounter with Death. Death, Psychology, LSD. - Realms of the Human Unconscious. LSD, Subconscious. Hafner, Katie with John Markoff - Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers...Frontier Hamit, Francis & Wes Thomas - Virtual Reality: Adventures in Cyberspace Harrison, Harry - Make Room! Make Room! 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cyber.culture.83 djcorto,
>> Ovo je odlicna tema i TREBA da zivi... Naravno, a ne da i cyberspace bude zatrpan ovdasnjim nacinom ponasanja, iskljucivoscu i licnim shvatanjem stvari. Na kraju krajeva, moderator teme, koja me je JAAAAKO obradovala, bi morao da bude malkice elasticniji, zar ne ? :) Zasto nasa paralelna stvarnost (ovo ovde) da bude isto ruzna kao i ono napolju .... Novice, daj to s Interneta :))))
cyber.culture.84 djcorto,
>> Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction) Ima li veze s filmom istog naslova ?
cyber.culture.85 fancy,
ŮŢ> 3. Konvencija, po mom sudu, podrazumeva da primalac poruke prilagođava ŮŢ> poruku, a ne pošiljalac. Kako želiš. Da ja nešto hoću da proguram, bar bih se potrudio oko toga... da prilagodim većini, da bi ih zainteresovao. No dobro, ovo je tvoja tema, radi u njoj šta hoćeš, samo nemoj da se ljutiš. OK..?
cyber.culture.86 fancy,
1. ŮŢ> Bezrazložno agresivan, veliš? Ok, odustajem. 2. ŮŢ> Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail, ŮŢ> uputiću ga sa kojeg BBS-a će moći da nastavi da skida te stvari. 3. ŮŢ> PO 8. PUT: BIĆE OVDE DUGIH PORUKA, NEĆE BITI KONVERZIJE, KO VOLI NEKA ŮŢ> IZVOLI, KO NE - NEKA NE DAVI VIŠE, IMA RESIGN I IGNORE, I - BASTA. :))))
cyber.culture.87 armitage,
> Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se > čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana. > > Izvinjavam se posebno Balindi, koji je temu na moje traženje i > otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati > moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim > pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za kulturu. > Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na preganjanje > oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku 14.7 > očigledno sam shvatio olako. Iskreno se nadam da ovo ne misliš ozbiljno! Pa ne šalješ ti priloge zbog onih koji ih ne čitaju, već zbog onih koji ih čitaju. Nemoj odustajati zbog jedne banalne prepirke. Hajde, da vidimo ovde malo više tolerancije. Ja sam predlog o stišavanju strasti u ovoj temi shvatio ozbiljno. -*- Armitage -*-
cyber.culture.88 omega,
Ţ (Btw: Da li ikome pada na pamet sta se sve moze izvesti na vise Ţ "dijalekata", tj. kodnih rasporeda? E jeste mi bez maste, lenjiri Ţ moji...) Btw, a sto ne bi promenio set code? :>>>
cyber.culture.89 novim,
" Da ja nešto hoću da proguram, bar bih se potrudio oko toga... da " prilagodim većini, da bi ih zainteresovao. Cyber.culture je stvar manjine. I o tome sam pisao, pre jedva 10 dana. Tebi ostavljam većinu, prilagođavanje, i sve ostalo. " :)))) Od tvoje poruke od pre godinu dana da ne šaljem pesme Miloša Crnjanskog, do tvog sitničavog pljuckanja po ovoj temi, koja je za tebe "pretenciozna do bola", obišao si pun krug. Ipak, za samo jedan dan sam se uverio da ipak ima ovde i drugačijih od tebe, Nenada, Milana... To me raduje, i daje mi osnovu da se još potrudim oko cyber-teme. Učinićeš mi uslugu ako ponoviš svoj "goodbye c.c.". I da nas dvojica završimo sa svim ovim, ima važnijih stvari.
cyber.culture.90 novim,
">> Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction) " " Ima li veze s filmom istog naslova ? Izgleda da ima. Stiže za dan-dva spisak video stvari, tamo vidim i ovaj naslov.
cyber.culture.91 alien,
[] Da li u onom a) kažeš NE? Da li u ovom b) kažeš DA? Zar je moguće da i dalje insistiraš na toj svojoj podeli na a) i b) u kojoj si masakrirao kontekst (šaljivi komentar (pri 'citiranju' si čak i smajlija obrisao) u zagradi na kraju jedne rečenice si otkinuo i prikačio drugoj rečenici). Tačno je da je prva rečenica odrečna, a druga potvrdna, ali se ne odnose na istu stvar te stoga nema kontradikcije. [] To se zove kontradikcija, a s kontradiktornim iskazima se ne [] raspravlja. Nisam siguran da ti uopšte znaš šta je to iskaz. [] Nije ti prvi put da ne umeš da artikulišeš ono što hoćeš, i tu [] ti ja više ne mogu pomoći. Objasnio sam svoj stav o tome više no [] jednom. Pokušaj da pročitaš i shvatiš ono što sam napisao. Nema potrebe da čitaš između redova, sve je napisano... Alt+O, Alt+O... [] Ako te cyber.culture spušta na taj nivo, imaš resign, pa se uznesi do [] grane. Jasno je meni da je tebi cilj da ostaneš (skoro) sam u ovoj temi i da će te to učiniti srećnim jer ćeš umisliti da si dokazao kako 'lenjiraši' ništa ne znaju čak ni o svoj kulturi niti ih ona zanima. Sorry, Novice, takvo zadovoljstvo nećeš imati. [] Nemam nameru da se zbog tvoje komocije odreknem domaćih slova [] (što bi neizbežno bilo ako bih činio kako si tražio IZRIžITO u poruci: [] Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst ║ [] u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova. ║ Ja sam ti neizmerno zahvalan što si mi uštedeo trud priznavši sam da su tekstovi (na engleskom) koje šalješ u ASCIIju, a ne u YUSCIIju. Ko je ovde najmlađi (po stažu) korisnik? Molio bih ga da objasni NoviMu zašto u jednoj poruci nikako ne treba koristiti dva različita kodna rasporeda. [] Odgovorio sam DVA puta zašto tu cenu pisanja bez naših slova ne [] mogu da platim. Ko te tera da pišeš bez naših slova? Jednostavno, u porukama u kojima su ti prilozi sa Interneta nemoj ništa dopisivati, a u porukama gde nisu prilozi - piši kao i do sada (sa našim slovima, po kom god hoćeš rasporedu (samo da je podešen na Sezamu)). [] I dalje stoji da je sve to problem koji TI imaš, a ne ja. Gde to stoji da odem da ga srušim? ;) [] Očekujem da ljudi koji ovo prate razumeju da sam: [] 1. pretražujući Internet [] ... [] 6. počeo da šaljem tu cyber.građu. [] Sve o svom trošku, trudu, vremenu, volji. Hvala! :) Zašto se onda ponašaš kao 'oslobodilac' i miniraš sve to? [] i da konverzije u svoje rasporede urade sami. Niko od tebe ne traži da vršiš konverzije. To sasvim lepo radi Sezam ako mu saopštiš tačno u kom je kodnom rasporedu ono što šalješ. [] Ako sam uradio ono prvo, mislim da svako može da uradi i ovo [] poslednje (piece of cake). To znači štampanje u fajl... i tako se gubi smisao slanja u vidu poruke :(. [] Kombinacija Yuscii/Ascii je shvatljiva onom ko ima posla sa [] Internetom, tj. sedmobitnim prenosom na Unixu ili Vaxu, i ne žele da [] se odreknu naših znakova. Lenjirima je svejedno kako pišu, ali drugima [] nije svejedno. Ti to pokušavaš nekog da uvrediš? ;> [] Objasnio sam takođe da je za one koji se odluče za tu kombinaciju [] prelaz između Š i uglaste zagrade stvar trivijalna (F10 u Biočećevom [] programčetu). Znači sada svi treba da pređu na 'Biočićevo programče' zato što tebe mrzi da u svoj autoexec dodaš proceduru koju ćeš koristiti za slanje priloga sa Interneta i koja će na početku imati jedno SET CODE NONE, a na kraju SET CODE YUSCII. [] Daviš neopisivo, prisiljavaš me da ponavljam jedno te isto po peti [] put, Ne prisiljavam te. Sam si umislio da te teram da se odrekneš YUSCIIja i počeo si da se braniš od nečega što te nije ni napalo. Umesto što si ponavljao 'jedno te isto po stoti put' (što je samo po sebi besmisleno jer je suvišno), mogao si da pročitaš malo pažljivije ono šta ti je više ljudi napisalo kao savet. [] da citiram gluposti koje pišeš ne razmišljajući i tvrdeći potom [] da ih nisi pisao, etc. Gde sam to tvrdio da nisam napisao ono što sam napisao? To što ti pogrešno tumačiš moje rečenice (što je zaista tužno ako se uzme u obzir šta si po struci) je tvoj problem. žak ni varkama pri citiranju ti ne uspeva da mi staviš u prste ;) nešto što nisam kucao. [] - Jedan ignore tebi, da konačno završimo. Ti si moderator ove teme? Lepo :(.
cyber.culture.92 fancy,
ŮŢ> Od tvoje poruke od pre godinu dana da ne šaljem pesme Miloša ŮŢ> Crnjanskog, do tvog sitničavog pljuckanja po ovoj temi, koja je za ŮŢ> tebe "pretenciozna do bola", obišao si pun krug. Šta je ovo, pamti pa vrati..? A da li se sećaš kako sam te zezao za vitlanje sa mrežama..? Ne, nemoj to da zaboraviš, kao ni to da sam te zamalo pokosio na pešačkom prelazu, a da ne pominjem kako sam te zajebavao što nisi upgrade-ovao qemm 7.06c na qemm 7.07b, naravno sve uvrede na račun linuxa i x-windowsa se pomno pamte, a kao šlag bi bilo bezrazložno šutiranje tvog dobermana i odbijanje da ti povećam nivo na mom BBS-u... E, da, kad smo kod toga, neka se ne zaboravi kako sam ti još u školi lupao šljage kad ne bi imao siću da platiš prolaz, zatim te zvao noćima tačno u 2h 20min i uznemiravao tvoje roditelje nekad a tvoju suprugu sada, bezobraznim predlozima. Sećaš se kako nisam glasao za tvoj vic u vote-u za vic meseca? A onda kad su preuzimali Književni Zabavnik stavio sam se na stranu pučističkog predsedništva i javno govorio kako tvoje tekstove treba baciti na đubrište istorije... a onomad kad sam ti rekao da sumnjam da si Hrvat, ili kad sam te pitao da li nosiš periku... i kad sam poverovao i čak proširio trač o tvojim sumnjivim seksualnim opredeljenjima, pa kad sam ti krao pisma iz poštanskog sandučeta, ili onda kad sam ti provalio pass na Korozija BBS-u, optuživao te da pišeš dugačke poruke i njima truješ omladinu, pa kad sam te prijavio zbog neplaćanja TV pretplate i fizički nasrnuo na tvoju maloletnu ćerku, i onda kad sam ti zagradio kola na parkingu, napravio rekordni skor u Tetrisu na tvom računaru, sjeb'o init string modema, pokušao da ti instaliram windows, nabacivao se ribi kojoj si se nabacivao, valjao ti loš staff, poslao te na domine u chatu, zatim pokušao da zapalim tvog (išutiranog) dobermana, i konačno, nepravedno bi bilo ne pomenuti i nepravedne sankcije. ŮŢ> Ipak, za samo jedan dan sam se uverio da ipak ima ovde i drugačijih od ŮŢ> tebe, Nenada, Milana... Palo etiketiranje..? a? ŮŢ> Učinićeš mi uslugu ako ponoviš svoj "goodbye c.c.". Ajde..? Biće da si me pogrešno razumeo... nije u mojoj prirodi da pravim velike oproštaje sa najavljivanjem, pucanjem i plakanjem, a ono ti je samo bilo zbogom (c.) kulturi koju daviš svojim rigidnim stavom i talentom da svaku dobronamernu kritiku shvatiš kao napad na lični integritet, i integritet ti kodnog rasporeda. Možeš da bežiš od prijatelja, ali od sebe ne možeš pobeći.
cyber.culture.93 djcorto,
>> ">> Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction) >> Izgleda da ima. Stize za dan-dva spisak video stvari, tamo >> vidim i ovaj naslov. Postoji i soundtrack, imam na kaseti ...
cyber.culture.94 ganta,
> To znači štampanje u fajl... i tako se gubi smisao slanja > u vidu poruke :(. Baš to. Ako moram da konvertujem, onda sam mogao i da skidam fajl (što menja smisao ove teme).
cyber.culture.95 djcorto,
>> Gleick, James - Chaos: The Making of a New Science Gleick, James & Autodesk: Chaos: The Software ???
cyber.culture.96 drndi,
>> Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail, >> uputicu ga sa kojeg BBS-a ce moci da nastavi da skida te stvari. Nemoj da se salis sa zivotom :) !!!! Samo bre ti bacaj ovamo te fajlove, kome smeta nek ne cita. Budes li odustao shvaticu to kao bezuslovnu predaju. Keep up the good work.
cyber.culture.97 novim,
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cyber.culture.98 veca,
>> 1. pretražujući Internet >> 3. preneo to ovamo, i >> 4. hteo da to podelim s ostalima, pa sam se >> Sve o svom trošku, trudu, vremenu, volji. >> konverzije u svoje rasporede urade sami. Ako sam uradio ono prvo, >> mislim da svako može da uradi i ovo poslednje (piece of cake). Sve je to ok. i svaka ti čast na trudu, ali mislim da nije bilo potrebno unositi ovakav ton u temu i pokretati ovako otužnu raspravu :( Rekla bih da su ljudi, sugerišući na promenu koda, bili dobronamerni, želeći, naprosto, da ova nova tema bude lepa i čista, daleko od svih naših problema i frustracija, (barem sam je ja tako shvatila) a onda je zagadiste :( Moglo je sve i drugačije da se završi... ukoliko nisi bio voljan da menjaš kod, upotrebiš malo diplomatije i odgovoriš nešto poput ovog što sam gore kvotirala, (svi bi pretpostavljam, rekli ok. stvarmo čovek se potrudio da nam dovuče tekstove) umesto što si rekao 'nemam nameru ništa da menjam, to je vaš problem', revoltirajući tako i njih i one kojima ne smeta jusci, nego ton rasprave.
cyber.culture.99 veca,
>> 1. Patetično - jer zaista nemam volje da svaki drugi dan >> objašnjavam da je svima pod rukom i resign i ignore, da neću >> prepričavati već A jel' ti nemaš na tastaturi znak '*' koji će te osloboditi takvih poruka? :) Radi ono što si naumio i ne obraćaj pažnju. Dao si uputstvo, tj. upozorenje kakve će i koje dužine biti poruke, kome smeta nek se žali virtuelnom Bogu :)
cyber.culture.100 veca,
>> tebe, Nenada, Milana... To me raduje, i daje mi osnovu da se još Hm, možda sam nešto propustila, ali ne videh da je ovde Milan nešto kriv, ni da je učestvovao u raspravi.
cyber.culture.101 veca,
Ne znam da li ima veze sa ovom temom, ali mi deluje šašavo, pa šaljem ovde. Naime, juče sam sređivala disk, formatirala neke diskete etc. a nakon toga uzeh da čistim pirinač :) Nakon par minuta dolazi keva i kaže da požurim, a ja kao iz topa: "kako da požurim kad ima puno bad sectora" :))) (hoću reći, pirinač je bio pun đubreta) čena me u čudu pogleda i izađe iz sobe :)
cyber.culture.102 wizard,
> Tvoje napuštanje ove teme je upravo ono što lenjiraši žele. Pa vidiš da Novica neće ništa da menja! Ili će tema biti kako Novica kaže, ili je neće biti! ;)) P.S. Novice, ja bih sada da sam na tvom mestu, u inat, ne samo napustio temu nego i pobrisao sve dosadašnje poruke! ;) P.P.S. Ko su lenjiraši i zašto oni žele da Novica napusti temu?
cyber.culture.103 ilazarevic,
> ostavljam, naravno, tebi. I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijal- > nostima, gde se drugi ima pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima. Ovo lenjirašenje prelazi u naviku... Još malo, pa će postati popularno kao vatikansko-kominternovska zavera. Ja sam do skoro radio u juskiju, ali sam smatrao da je normalno da kada šaljem tekst koji obiluje uglastim zagradama (sors u paskalu, na primer) prebacim kod u aski.
cyber.culture.104 spantic,
> Ajde..? Biće da si me pogrešno razumeo... nije u mojoj prirodi da > pravim velike oproštaje sa najavljivanjem, pucanjem i plakanjem, a ono > ti je samo bilo zbogom (c.) kulturi koju daviš svojim rigidnim stavom > i talentom da svaku dobronamernu kritiku shvatiš kao napad na lični Aman, ako ovako izgleda "konstruktivna kritika" onu drugu bolje ni da ne vidimo :( Što vi svi lepo ne biste Novicu ostavili na miru? Ni ja ne koristim YUSCII pa mi opet ne smeta u njegovim porukama. To me više podseća na sitno glodanje. Najgora stvar ne SEZAMu jeste baš ta da treba da prođe neko vreme pre nego što "ćutljiva većina" odluči da se javi u odbranu onoga što joj se sviđa, a i tada se ne jave svi. Za to vreme "svadljiva manjina" orgija u napadima kao da je ona taj veći deo populacije kojima se treba prilagoditi.
cyber.culture.105 dr.grba,
>> ŠĆ Zašto bih to radio? >> >> Zar je moguće da TEBI, Novice, treba da objašnjavati zašto >> se treba ponašati pristojno? :( žak i ova glupa i besmislena rasprava, iako obe strane teraju mak na konac, predstavlja svojevrsan izvanredni eksperiment ponašanja u cyberspace okolini. Eksperiment prikladan upravo u ovoj temi. Štaviše, pomalo sumnjam da nas Novica navlači na svoju vodenicu. Naprosto ne mogu da verujem da se čovek sa toliko poznavanja ove materije tako lako vređa. Novice, hajde priznaj da nas pališ u ime empirijskog dokazivanja naše nedozrelosti u cyberspace.
cyber.culture.106 novim,
" P.S. Novice, ja bih sada da sam na tvom mestu, u inat, ne samo " napustio temu nego i pobrisao sve dosadašnje poruke! ;) Jock. U inat - idemo dalje. :))) (Ako nastave, udvostručujem poruke, možda mi onda neka promakne i kao none code. ;>>)
cyber.culture.107 novim,
" bili dobronamerni, želeći, naprosto, da ova nova tema bude lepa i " čista, daleko od svih naših problema i frustracija, (barem sam je " ja tako shvatila) a onda je zagadiste :( Moglo je sve i drugačije Ipak ne, Veco. :) Nema čistih tema - naslov ove teme je već jedna čudna legura. Još manje da hoću nešto daleko od naših problema i frustracija - kultura je naš problem prvog reda, a naročito kultura - onaj skup vrednosti, stavova, ponašanja, shvatanja - vezana za novu i izuzetno moćnu tehnologiju (kibernetičku). Barem tako vidim ovu temu, i shodno tome se u njoj ponašam. Nagovaranje mic-po-mic možda bi bilo uspešnije, za onog ko ima više vremena. Sve je ovde, dakle, od naslova do ideja - "mixed codes", i što pre to prihvatimo, tim bolje. Mixed codes, mixed themes, mixed feelings, mixed genres, mixed techniques... (Kompjuter je jedna veeeeoma mixed stvar... Kao i kultura.)
cyber.culture.108 novim,
" puno bad sectora" :))) (hoću reći, pirinač je bio pun đubreta) " čena me u čudu pogleda i izađe iz sobe :) Dobro je da nisi Linuksovka, pa da joj kažeš "ma, pusti me, zar ne vidiš da pečujem kernel". :)))) Tema ukrštenih jezika - ili: onih krštenih i onih nekrštenih :) - spada ovde, po mom mišljenju.
cyber.culture.109 mikis,
+> davati izvorni Internet materijal, da su poruke dugaŔke jer su takve? Problem je ╣to u ovom sluŔaju NIJE izvorni materijal - ne verujem da poruke na engleskom na Internetu sadrże na╣a slova ćđ╚Ăž? ćto se dużine poruke tiŔe - ama ba╣ niko se zbog toga nije bunio. +> odustajanje od domaŠih +> slova nije cena koja mi se plaŠa ni u kojoj varijanti Odustajanje od DOMAĂIH slova u ENGLESKOM tekstu? +> zimus onoliko o tome da BeoNet vrska poput klinca koji nije po╣ao u Koliko se seŠam, zalagao si se da se za BeoNetu usvoji _jedinstven_ domaŠi kodni raspored za razmenu poruka? Na ╣ta bi to liŔilo kada bi svako na Mreżi pisao svojim kodnim rasporedom? :(( Dalje, s kojim pravom onda ti trażi╣ od nekoga da poŔne da koristi neki od kodnih rasopreda za YU slova? Recimo da meni bas odgovara pisanje bez nasih slova, a vama ako se ne svidja, postoji search&replace u svakom editoru? +> Verujem u konvenciju po kojoj primalac teksta +> konvertuje u svoj kodni raspored, koji hoŠe i kako hoŠe, a ne +> po╣iljalac. Na svu sreŠu, autori Sezamovog softvera su se potrudili da nam u╣tede taj trud. Za╣to onda to i ne iskoristiti? I, kako se ovo uklapa sa mojim prethodnim pitanjem? p.s. I da zavr╣imo sa ovom nadasve glupom raspravom. Sve je poŔelo mojom porukom u kojoj sam te, krajnje dobronamerno, zamolio da nam olak╣a╣ praŠenje ove izuzetno lepe i zanimljive teme. Zamolio sam te, jer po mom shvatanju konvencije, onaj ko ╣alje neku poruku (materijal, fajl, bilo ╣ta) treba da se potrudi da je prilagodi primaocu, naroŔito ako je reŔ o ╣irem skupu ljudi. Sad Šu malo da lenjira╣im: ja imam Amigu. Standardni arhiver je LHA. Oznaka za EOL je LF. Imena mogu biti proizvoljno dugaŔka. Koristim Latin2 kodni raspored. Me­utim, kada god ╣aljem ne╣to ╣to mislim da Še biti zanimljivo veŠini ljudi ovde, potrudim se da ga prilagodim toj veŠini - prepakujem ZIP-om 2.0, dodam CR na kraj reda, preimenujem u skladu sa DOS-ovom 8+3 konvencijom. Zato sam i smatrao da imam pravo da te _zamolim_ za takvu uslugu, naroŔito zato ╣to to i ne pretstavlja neki veliki napor. No, nema veze. Se╣Šu, napraviŠu makro ili programŔe za konverziju YUSCII -> ASCII (promena fonta _ne pomaże_, ), potro╣iŠu par sati na konverziju, i Boże moj. ćTo se ostalih tiŔe, neka sami re╣avaju problem. p.p.s. Ova poruka je pisana Latin2 (ISO8859-2) kodnim rasporedom. Ako vam ovaj raspored ne odgovara, sasvim jednostavno Šete re╣iti taj problem. Snimite ovu poruku iz omiljenog OLR-a u fajl, obri╣ite je u OLR-u, iza­ite iz OLR-a, konvertujte poruku o vama odgovarajuŠi kodni raspored, i ponovo uŔitajte u SOR. Kao ╣to vidite, sasvim jednostavno. Ako nemate program za konverziju, skinite ga sa nekog BBS-a, ili ako ne postoji, napi╣ite ga, ili saŔekajte da ga neko drugi napi╣e.
cyber.culture.110 mikis,
+> predložio kako najbezbolnije da to odradiš, ali pošto si se pokazao tvrd ja +> sam to odradio sa alt-p to file, convert, import nazad. I tačka. A da u novu verziju THOR-a uvedeš filtriranje poruka pisanih u više kodnih rasporeda? ;)
cyber.culture.111 severian,
> i kaže da požurim, a ja kao iz topa: "kako da požurim kad ima > puno bad sectora" :))) (hoću reći, pirinač je bio pun đubreta) ...sledeći put prvo probaj sa CHKPRNž/F :))))
cyber.culture.112 novim,
" Novice, hajde priznaj da nas pališ u ime empirijskog dokazivanja naše " nedozrelosti u cyberspace. Dr.Grba me provalio. :)) - Samo, i ja sam jednako (ne)zreo kao i drugi, i ja hoću da naučim o cyberu što više (e, tu možda ima onih koji neće, pa se nešto razlikujemo), a sve ovo je potrebno čim se događa, i pokazuje, što se mene tiče, moju distancu prema tehnikalijama (većina, bojim se, to doživljava kao svetogrđe). Ali, da idem i dalje: Neke stvari nisu važne. Nije važno kakav je trenutni OS, važno je da mora biti (nekakvog) OS. Zašto? (To su pitanja koja bi Ana postavila, zar ne?) žudna pitanja, i meni traženje odgovora na njih izgleda manje tehnička rabota a više stvar za razmišljanje. OS jeste tehničko rešenje nekog problema - ali u osnovi svih tih tehničkih rešenja stoji problem odnosa humanoida i mašine. Interface je uvek neka maska, zar ne, a maska je uvek stvar scene, a scena je stvar za neku radnju, a neka radnja je - uvek ljudska radnja. Malo nategnuto i prebrzo možda, ali mi taj pravac misli izgleda vredan znatiželje. Možda su tehnika (ubrzanje) i misao (usporenje, uvek potrebno za analizu) tu u razlazu, a možda taj razlaz vredi više no njihovo slaganje i prijanjanje gde ih više ne razlikujemo?
cyber.culture.113 novim,
" šaljem tekst koji obiluje uglastim zagradama (sors u paskalu, na " primer) prebacim kod u aski. Kad budem slao sors, biće tako. Dotle, ovako. Ima svoje zašto, i na tebi je da to uvažiš ili ne uvažiš. Tekstovi koje šaljem teško da "obiluju" uglastim zagradama. Sasvim su čitljivi nezavisno od njih.
cyber.culture.114 novim,
" Aman, ako ovako izgleda "konstruktivna kritika" onu drugu bolje ni " da ne vidimo :( Po "logici" koja se nekako i na žalost ustalila na Sezamu, ova tvoja poruka se ne važi, jerbo si protiv ... (a "zna se" itd.). - Treba prekinuti tu nakaradnu logiku: u nekim stvarima ću se složiti s tobom, u drugim neću. (Kao i ti sa mnom, naravno.) U jednoj temi se slažem s jednim, ali se ne slažem u drugoj s tim istim, i tako dalje. To je prirodno. Tako po Sezamu i radim: ali izgleda da ljudi shvataju da ako se u nečemu negde ne složiš s njima, postaješ im "neprijatelj", misliš o njima sve najlošije, pa te proganjaju iz jedne rasprave u drugu, kako bi "nadoknadili" (i valjda se "osvetili")... Otuda: ako raspravljamo s nekim, to treba shvatiti i da su njegove poruke vredne rasprave (prosto pokazujemo da se isti predmet može osvetliti iz više uglova, a kakav će konačan stav ko da izvuče iz rasprave, to je već njegova stvar), a ne da je partner iz rasprave neznalica ili idiot. Na Sezamu je ova kultura rasprave jadna; ovde se pokazuje najviše da neko mora imati poslednju reč. Ovde se rasprava tera dok se svima ne ogadi. Jednom navesti neki razlog ovde ne znači ništa. Ako ga nisi ponovio barem nekoliko puta, ovde se taj razlog i ne čuje. Ovde je ego juzera jači od sveg drugog; tuđi ego je tek povod da se istakne svoj, i tako ukrug. :(( Koji bi zapravo kodeks rasprave valjao za cyberspace? Improvizujem: 1. Osvetliti predmet iz više no jednog ugla. 2. Biti tolerantan i ne tražiti da se partner u raspravi potčini tvom kodu bez ostatka (kod u najširem smislu). 3. Imati distancu (rezervu) prema svim odsečnim stavovima, imati rezervu prema tvrdnjama koje se ispostavljaju kao poslednje istine (a naučne tvrdnje često u jednom času izgledaju tako), dopustiti, makar kao mogućnost, da uvek "iza" ima još nešto. Itd. Sve to valja da važi i za normalnu raspravu, a ne samo cyberdiscourse. Ali, previše se to "podrazumeva", pa se zaboravi. Voleo bih da možemo napraviti jedan "algoritam" (kodeks pravila) za kibernaute. :)
cyber.culture.115 novim,
Odgovor ćeš naći u CONF chat. Ovde je dosta bilo mog ponavljanja, izgleda da ne vredi ništa, pa da rešimo to tamo. Predložio bih ti da svoju poruku prebaciš tamo (ne moraš, naravno), da ovde ipak nastavimo o nekim drugim stvarima, o ovoj je bilo i previše.
cyber.culture.116 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ se odreknu naših znakova. Lenjirima je svejedno kako pišu, ali drugima Ů│ ˙ nije svejedno. A jel smem ja da se izblamiram pa da pitam ko su to lenjiraši? :)
cyber.culture.117 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ 1. Nisam pristalica javnih psovki. Ni u jednom kontekstu. Na Ů│ ˙ raspolaganju nam je gomila reči da kažemo ono što hoćemo. Bez patetike Ů│ ˙ psovanja. Bez pravljenja blesavim. Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ 2. Zašto Yuscii/Ascii - imaš u odgovoru na drugu poruku (na 14.70). Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ 3. Konvencija, po mom sudu, podrazumeva da primalac poruke prilagođava Ů│ ˙ poruku, a ne pošiljalac. Sorry Novime što je poruka baš tebi, ali odnosi se na raspravu oko YUSCII/ASCII. Moj stav je nebitan, ali aako je tebi teško da konvertuješ textove (razumem te, em ih skidaš sad još i da konv.) onda ne treba da bude teško nama koji to hoćmo da čitamo da ih konvertujemo. konfrencjia se napunila wrong place porukama. Anyway misli ad ta rasprava ne zaslužuje toliko poruka prepucavanja itd. itd. A meni niko još nije objasnio šta je to cyber.culture. :( p.s. Mala ideja za programere: Da li je moguće napisati rezidentan rogram koji će YUSCII znake ŠĐžĆč pretvarati u ŠĐžĆč nekog drugog kodnog rasporeda prilikom ispisa na ekran?
cyber.culture.118 djcorto,
>> Hm, mozda sam nesto propustila, ali ne videh da je ovde Milan >> nesto kriv, ni da je ucestvovao u raspravi. Hm, cyber - inercija ? ;)
cyber.culture.119 djcorto,
>> Novice, hajde priznaj da nas palis u ime empirijskog >> dokazivanja nase nedozrelosti u cyberspace. A, nenenene ! Nasa okolina utice na nase ponasanje u cyberspace-u. Covece, socioloski eksperiment ! :)
cyber.culture.120 djcorto,
>> ...sledeci put prvo probaj sa CHKPRNC/F :)))) Druga najduhovitija poruka posle Fancyjevog odgovora :)))))))))))))))
cyber.culture.121 nbatocanin,
> Ipak, za samo jedan dan sam se uverio da ipak ima ovde i > drugačijih od tebe, Nenada, Milana... Ne znam samo čime sam zaslužio čast da se nađem na ovoj listi...
cyber.culture.122 max.headroom,
Eto, baš nešto voajerišem po temi, pa rek'o da i sam napišem koju pametnu ;) Prvo, da se izjasnim da baš ništa ne shvatam od iznesenog - pominju se nekakve sub-kulture, neke madžije :), štatigajaznam šta sve ne... Od kompjutera se stvara fama, bre, kao da smo u ranim osamdesetim. Iz mog ugla, kompjuter omogućuje nešto sasvim novo (and now, something completely different) u domenu međuljudske komunikacije: informacije postaju svakome brzo dostupne, paketi informacija su sažetiji, i one se mogu razmenjivati sa svima onima koji imaju pristup svetskoj mreži. To je ono što će ljudsku svest, eventualno, pomaći za korak napred. Više nije važno ko je sagovornik i šta stoji iza njega (firma, vlada, etc.) - bitna je informacija i njen kvalitet. Sve to me podseća na pra-preteču onoga što nazivamo "telepatskom komunikacijom", iliti razmenom misli. Sledeći "udar" je pojava Virtual Reality. Danas je tipa: stavi šlem na glavu, uđi u neku drugu "dimenziju" i uživaj. Praktično primenljivo, ali i zabavno. Hoćemo li svi, jednoga dana, sedeti u termos-bocama, priključeni na hranilice i stimulatore nervnog sistema, zajedno učestvujući u nekoj drugoj "realnosti"? E, a kada prevaziđemo i taj hardware, počinje zabava :)
cyber.culture.123 sale,
>> Najgora stvar ne SEZAMu jeste baš ta da treba da prođe neko vreme >> pre nego što "ćutljiva većina" odluči da se javi u odbranu onoga što >> joj se sviđa, a i tada se ne jave svi. Za to vreme "svadljiva manjina" >> orgija u napadima kao da je ona taj veći deo populacije kojima se treba >> prilagoditi. Nije to najgora stvar samo Sezama, nego celog cyber prostora u okolini. Cyberspace je još uvek u povoju, u nekom svom kamenom dobu, pa nije čudo što dominiraju divljaci... ;-)
cyber.culture.124 sale,
>> Tema ukrštenih jezika - ili: onih krštenih i onih nekrštenih :) >> - spada ovde, po mom mišljenju. :)) Pre godinu dana, držao sam kurs iz računarskih komunikacija jednoj devojci. Pošto sam trebao dosta stvari da instaliram, a tada po pravilu uvek ponešto ide malo zaobilaznijim putem nego što treba, počeo sam da se nerviram. To uvek dovodi do toga da počnem da moljakam, psujem i pretim računaru. Ona je sve to gledala. Posle 20-tak minuta, sam se povezao na cyberspace da joj pokažem šta je to, i tu me je zatekla poruka prijatelja (naravno, koji je nekih 100-tinak kilometara odavde) u kojoj mi je pisao o svojim nevoljama sa nekom devojkom. "Ne vredi, kad god probam da je alociram, dobijem 'device busy' ili 'device occupied by another user'. Nije mi preostalo ništa drugo, nego da se disuserujem iz tog sistema..." ili tako nekako. Njena reakcija je bila: "Pa vi ste sve preokrenuli! Sa računarom pričaš kao sa čovekom, a sa drugarom kao sa računarom!" A jeste li probali da napravite potpunu semantičku paralelu nekih oblasti real- i cyber- života?
cyber.culture.125 sale,
>> A meni niko još nije objasnio šta je to cyber.culture. :( Cyberspace je paralelni svet realnom, koji se nalazi oko nas, a realizuje se računarskim komunikacijama. Dakle Sezam je jedan veliki deo tog prostora. Ovo pisanje poruka, chat-ovanje, prenos datoteka, sve je to deo naših aktivnosti u tom, drugom, svetu. Cyber Culture je, sledi, kultura u tom svetu.
cyber.culture.126 alien,
[] 2. Biti tolerantan i ne tražiti da se partner u raspravi potčini tvom [] kodu bez ostatka (kod u najširem smislu). TI sasvim sigurno nisi bio tolerantan i sve vreme si (implicitno) tražio da se drugi potčine tvom kodnom rasporedu! ;( Poruka koje su obilovale uglastim & vitičastim zagradama nije bilo mnogo, a ti nisi hteo da zbog tih nekoliko poruka koje su bile ASCII, a ne YUSCII (sam si to priznao!) podesiš svoj kod na Sezamu (samo za tu priliku, naravno). Time si prekršio neka osnovna pravila pristojnog ponašanja i, što je najgore, nisi se izvinio nego si uporno tvrdio da nemaš ti problem, nego da ga drugi imaju i insistirao na tome da nemaš nameru ništa da menjaš. OK, mogu i da ti poverujem da nemaš problem jer ti valjda sam najbolje znaš da li ga imaš ;> (samo mi nije jasno što si tako nad*kan), a slažem se da ja imam problem, ali problem koji si TI napravio. Moglo bi ti se i oprostiti kada bi se uzelo u obzir da si (pretpostavljam) imao problema s matematikom u školi pa ti nije baš najjasnije kako funkcioniše konverzija kodnih rasporeda na Sezamu, ali ti si sam rekao da su to 'tehničke trivijalnosti'. ;> Tvoja basna o s&r je dokaz kako ti je sve jasno ;>. Umesto da Sezam obavi konverziju i da sve bude OK, ti insistiraš na tome da nekoliko desetina ljudi to radi 'ručno'. Pri tome (pretpostavljam) nisi prevideo činjenicu da oni koji imaju SET CODE NONE ne mogu izvršiti ni s&r jer ne treba svako S i C u tekstu da im bude zamenjeno zagradama. Ona druga, ona o 'Biočićevom programčetu' je vrhunac! ;( Kao postoji programče koje (promenom fonta) Š i Ć po C2 ili CP852 ili nekom trećem rasporedu pretvara u [ i ] pritiskom nekog tamo tastera... Postoji q*! ;( To, Novice, funkcioniše samo ako koristiš YUSCII, a s obzirom da si ti to znao (jer si rekao da su sve to 'tehničke trivijalnosti'), izvodi se jasan zaključak da si time predlagao da se ostali 'potčine tvom kodu'. Nemoj sada još poricati da si propagirao YUSCII u epu 'Kako Veliki Novica zamišlja Unix & Internet'. Uostalom, kombinacija YUSCII/ASCII je jasna svakom poštenom Albancu jer je YUSCII jedini domaći kodni raspored koji sadrži potpuni ASCII, za razliku od CP852, C2... ;))) Sve u svemu poneo si se kao sjajan domaćin :(, kao razmaženi klinac koji je izneo svoju loptu na igralište i (s obzirom da ne zna da igra) počeo da određuje ko sme da igra, a ko ne sme, kako će i šta da se igra, koja su pravila, kada je faul, kada je gol... OK, to je tvoje pravo, ali takvim ponašanjem sigurno nisi stekao prijatelje :(.
cyber.culture.127 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ Naime, juče sam sređivala disk, formatirala neke diskete etc. a Ů│ ˙ nakon toga uzeh da čistim pirinač :) Nakon par minuta dolazi keva Ů│ ˙ i kaže da požurim, a ja kao iz topa: "kako da požurim kad ima Ů│ ˙ puno bad sectora" :))) (hoću reći, pirinač je bio pun đubreta) Ů│ ˙ čena me u čudu pogleda i izađe iz sobe :) Ulazim ja u dragstor i izagovaram recenicu: "Dajte mi, molim vas, 3 kilobajta hleba." Prodavacica me belo pogleda...
cyber.culture.128 dragisha,
-> Ţ (Btw: Da li ikome pada na pamet sta se sve moze izvesti na vise -> Ţ "dijalekata", tj. kodnih rasporeda? E jeste mi bez maste, lenjiri -> Ţ moji...) -> -> Btw, a sto ne bi promenio set code? :>>> format omega /q/u -- [After four decimal places, nobody gives a damn]
cyber.culture.129 mikis,
+> Odgovor ćeš naći u CONF chat. Ovde je dosta bilo mog ponavljanja, +> izgleda da ne vredi ništa, pa da rešimo to tamo. Predložio bih ti da Pomenutu konferenciju ne pratim (a tako treba i da ostane). Ipak, tvoj odgovor sam pročitao i _nemam_ nameru da repliciram. Ovo je kraj. Idemo dalje ;)
cyber.culture.130 novim,
" Ne znam samo čime sam zaslužio čast da se nađem na ovoj listi... Naravno, nisam mislio na tebe.
cyber.culture.131 novim,
_____________________ ____________________ / __________________/ / ________________/ / /____________ / / / ____________/ / / / / / /_______________ /__/ uture /__________________/ ulture ___________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ đ___________________________________________________________________đ <...> ______________________________________________________________________________ đ đ đ Videos: đ đ__________đ (this is meant to be a broad base of futuristic or trippy movies, and, as in the music category, everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions, and this list would vary from person to person) The Abyss (sci-fi) Aeon Flux (anime) Akira (anime) Alien (sci-fi) Arise: The Subgenius video Altered States (drama/sci-fi) Blade Runner & Director's Cut (science fiction) Bliss (drama) Brainstorm (sci-fi) Brazil (science fiction/fantasy) A Clockwork Orange (science fiction) Computers, Freedom, and Privacy Videos Cyberia on U-Network (music, animation) Cyberpunk (Intercon productions) (documentary) Cyberpunk (animated) Cyberspace, Power and Culture (documentary) Dreamscape (sci-fi/fantasy) Drugstore Cowboy (drama) Dune (science fiction) Hardware (science fiction) Hip Tech and High Lit (?) Jacob's Ladder (drama) Koyaanisqatsi (documentary) The Lawnmower Man (science fiction/fantasy) Liquid Sky (drama/sci-fi) Max Headroom (science fiction) Metropolis (science fiction/pomo) eMpTV's Buzz (documentary/soundbytes) eMpTV's Buzz Cut (music) eMpTV's Liquid Television (anime/animated) Naked Lunch (drama) The 90's (Television station/show - documentary) Powaqatsi (documentary) anything by Psychic TV (Genesis P-Orridge) (music) anything by Re/Search (SRI, Modern Prim, etc.) Rocky Horror Picture Show (musical/science-fiction/fantasy) Sid & Nancy (drama/musical) Slacker (docudrama) Sneakers (drama) Star Wars, etc. (sci-fi) 2001 A Space Odyssey (science fiction) 2600's Hacking Video (featured on 'Now It can Be Told')(documentary) Terminal Man (sci-fi) THX 1138 (science fiction) Total Recall (science fiction) The Trip (drama) Tron (science fiction/fantasy) The Wall (musical/docudrama) Videodrome (sci-fi/horror) Video Toaster Demo Tape (computer graphics) Virtual Reality 1991 (documentary) Wax or the discovery of television among the bees (email Artist #1 - artist1črdrc.rpi.edu for info.) Wax Trax Promotional Sampler Video (music) War Games (drama) Woodstock (documentary) <za muzicki deo, v. 8.882>
cyber.culture.132 novim,
" 'Kako Veliki Novica zamišlja Unix & Internet'. Rešio si ipak da uništiš ovu temu. Ps: Pošto se bavljenje mnome kreće u pravcu ličnih insinuacija (od toga koju sam ocenu imao u školi iz matematike ... do toga čega je moja žena "nesuđena-moderatorka") - iz razloga koji meni ostaju nerazumljivi - izvesno vreme ću naprosto nestati sa Sezama; valjda će se dotle svi smiriti, pa ćemo nastaviti, bude li prilike. Sav mail na - EMilicNčUbbg.Etf.Bg.Ac.Yu
cyber.culture.133 dragisha,
Sranje :(. Sezam postaje sve dosadnije mjesto.
cyber.culture.134 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ Cyberspace je paralelni svet realnom, koji se nalazi oko nas, a Ů│ ˙ realizuje se računarskim komunikacijama. Dakle Sezam je jedan veliki Ů│ ˙ deo tog prostora. Ů│ ˙ Ovo pisanje poruka, chat-ovanje, prenos datoteka, sve je to deo naših Ů│ ˙ aktivnosti u tom, drugom, svetu. Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ Cyber Culture je, sledi, kultura u tom svetu. O, hvala ti! Konačno sam saznao šta je ovo! :)
cyber.culture.135 djcorto,
>> E, a kada prevazidemo i taj hardware, pocinje zabava :) Max, pogodio si u centar ! :)
cyber.culture.136 djcorto,
>> Ulazim ja u dragstor i izagovaram recenicu: !!!!!!!! Procitah drajver ... :)))))))))))))))
cyber.culture.137 wizard,
> Ovo pisanje poruka, chat-ovanje, prenos datoteka, sve je to deo naših > aktivnosti u tom, drugom, svetu. Jel snimio neko film danas (utorak) u 11 pre podne na Palmi?
cyber.culture.138 alien,
[] " 'Kako Veliki Novica zamišlja Unix & Internet'. [] [] Rešio si ipak da uništiš ovu temu. Naprotiv! Da nisam zainteresovan za ovu temu, ne bih ni uletao u diskusiju već bih te pustio... Doduše, možda sam ja u zabludi oko toga o čemu se u ovoj temi radi, ali mi se nekako čini da je čak i cela ova diskusija vođena na pravom mestu. Kodni rasporedi jesu začin/otrov u domaćoj cyber culture i odnos prema njima ovde, na Sezamu je nešto što je kao stvoreno za cc. Ako te je povredio moj ton, zlobni komentari & pod*ebavanja, iskreno mi je žao... It's just the way I am. [] Ps: Pošto se bavljenje mnome kreće u pravcu ličnih insinuacija Mora se priznati da si u poslednje vreme bio 'drugačiji' ;> nego... nego što si bio. Sasvim je normalno da se ljudi pitaju šta je uzrok tvom ponašanju. [] (od toga koju sam ocenu imao u školi iz matematike ... Nisam pominjao ocenu. Više sam mislio na to da li te je zanimala & kako ti je išla, al' nema veze... [] do toga čega je moja žena "nesuđena-moderatorka") Moram priznati da mi nije jasno zašto je to uopšte pomenuto, ali to, koliko ja znam, nije bilo na tvoj račun. [] - izvesno vreme ću naprosto nestati sa Sezama; valjda će [] se dotle svi smiriti, pa ćemo nastaviti, bude li prilike. Daj, zatvori već jednom ta vrata! Ili uđi ili izađi i nemoj više da praviš promaju. ;))) Šalu na stranu, mnogo se kačiš s ljudima po Sezamu u poslednje vreme. Odcooliraj malo :). [] Sav mail na - EMilicNčUbbg.Etf.Bg.Ac.Yu Misliš na: EMilicN@Ubbg.Etf.Bg.Ac.Yu ? ;)
cyber.culture.139 severian,
> ali i zabavno. Hoćemo li svi, jednoga dana, sedeti u > termos-bocama, priključeni na hranilice i stimulatore > nervnog sistema, zajedno učestvujući u nekoj drugoj > "realnosti"? 'Ajde da napravimo i korak dalje. Nije li budućnost (svrha?) ljudske civilizacije, kakvom je mi poznajemo, da evolutivno iznedri novu organizaciju 'života', simbiozu ljudskog mozga (duha?) sa cyber realnošću, oličenom u svim vidovima globalnih mreža (nešto poput 'mrtvih duša' iz Gateway-a)? Da li bi kroz takav civilizacijski entitet Vaseljena imala više vremena i kvalitativno bila bliža shvatanju same sebe? Da li naš otpor ovome crpi snagu u antropocentrizmu? Šta mislite?
cyber.culture.140 nbatocanin,
> p.s. Mala ideja za programere: > > Da li je moguće napisati rezidentan rogram koji će > YUSCII znake ŠĐžĆč pretvarati u ŠĐžĆč nekog drugog kodnog > rasporeda prilikom ispisa na ekran? Uradio čovek, bilo je nedavno na Sezamu.
cyber.culture.141 veca,
>> Tema ukrštenih jezika - ili: onih krštenih i onih nekrštenih :) >> - spada ovde, po mom mišljenju. Znači, nisam omanula temu? :)
cyber.culture.142 veca,
>> ...sledeći put prvo probaj sa CHKPRNž/F :)))) Ma pirinač je bio u tanjiru... nije to pljeskavica pa da je turim u flopi :)
cyber.culture.143 sale,
>> " 'Kako Veliki Novica zamišlja Unix & Internet'. >> >> Rešio si ipak da uništiš ovu temu. format alien /u /flag=cyber.dizelas :-(
cyber.culture.144 vcalic,
>> 'Ajde da napravimo i korak dalje. Nije li budućnost (svrha?) >> ljudske civilizacije, kakvom je mi poznajemo, da evolutivno iznedri >> novu organizaciju 'života', simbiozu ljudskog mozga (duha?) sa >> cyber realnošću, oličenom u svim vidovima globalnih mreža (nešto >> poput 'mrtvih duša' iz Gateway-a)? Treba napomenuti da pored opšteg oduševljenja i raznih filozofskih i kvazi-filozofskih priča o cyberspace-u, postoji i jaka struka koja smatra da je to samo prolazna moda. Tj. da kako se pojavi novo tehnološko dostignuće koje omogućava komunikaciju ljudi, tako odmah krene euforija koja kasnije splasne. Baš je skoro bio na Sezamu, ili mi se samo čini, tekst u kome je autor poredio Internet euforiju sa CB euforijom sa početka osamdesetih. A na nekom drugom mestu sam pronašao zanimljivo poređenje istorijskih vidova komunikacije počevši od goluba pismonoša do Internet-a. Navodno, tehnologija se menja, suština ostaje ista. Što se mene lično tiče i prema cyber euforiji i prema cyber skepticima sam prilično ravnodušan ;) Vlada
cyber.culture.145 fancy,
ŮŢ> đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ ŮŢ> Palmer, Thomas - Dream Science (fiction) Ipak, nije da nije bilo koristi od "svega onoga"... Za početak, zamenio si "srednje zagrade" "malim zagradama"..;) Nije loše, nije loše, ostali su samo oni ružni tzv. pajpovi tj. đ-ovi... Možda da ih zameniš sa "!"..? I eto, sve je moglo biti bez tolike buke. p.s. how's your cyber.doberman..?
cyber.culture.146 fancy,
ŮŢ> Najgora stvar ne SEZAMu jeste baš ta da treba da prođe neko vreme ŮŢ> pre nego što "ćutljiva većina" odluči da se javi u odbranu onoga što ŮŢ> joj se sviđa, a i tada se ne jave svi. Za to vreme "svadljiva manjina" ŮŢ> orgija u napadima kao da je ona taj veći deo populacije kojima se ŮŢ> treba prilagoditi. spantic - čovek većina. .\/. [ Ahmet Đida, šampion ]
cyber.culture.147 fancy,
ŮŢ> izvesno vreme ću naprosto nestati sa Sezama O, ne.. zar opet..?
cyber.culture.148 dragisha,
-> autor poredio Internet euforiju sa CB euforijom sa početka osamdesetih. -> A na nekom drugom mestu sam pronašao zanimljivo poređenje istorijskih -> vidova komunikacije počevši od goluba pismonoša do Internet-a. Navodno, -> tehnologija se menja, suština ostaje ista. Ako suštinu svedemo na jednu riječ, komunikacija, onda je naravno ista. Mđt, pojam komunikacije se 'širi' i komunikacija je sve lakša i bogatija. Lakša - ne moram da hranim golubove, samo se nadam biće struja i prestaće PTT sankcije:), bogatija - multimedija, mnogi ljudi mnogo posla završavaju na računaru i Internet im omogućava brzu razmjenu svega što proizvedu na njemu. Ključna razlika, i nedostižna prednost, Interneta (svedenog samo na email, i to je dovoljno) nad CBom je ne-neophodnost istovremenog rada. O nekom 'sunovratu' Interneta možemo razgovarati kad neko definiše 'vrhunac' istog. Meni lično, Internet sa mail, news, ftp (+archie i slično) i WWW je just enough. Naravno, sve to začinjeno sa 50-ak Kb/sec highwayOm, minimalno :). -- [I is a college student.]
cyber.culture.149 spantic,
Lep kraj akcije "Manjine" ;(
cyber.culture.150 vitez.koja,
#=> izvesno vreme ću naprosto nestati sa Sezama Srećan put... i brzo nam se vrati, ali zdrav i veseo.
cyber.culture.151 max.headroom,
> novu organizaciju 'života', simbiozu ljudskog mozga > (duha?) sa cyber realnošću, oličenom u svim vidovima > globalnih mreža (nešto Nekako mi se samo po sebi nameće pitanje "a čemu to služi?"... Dakle, kroz koju godinu imaćemo zaista svetske mreže, i najzad utvrditi da "New York postoji", tj. da ljudi (isti kao i mi) ne žive samo u komšiluku, već ih ima x milijardi, te da svi imaju slične probleme kao i mi. Dalje, kroz koju deceniju će neko osmisliti organizacioni metod kojim će se velike grupe ljudi uključiti u rešavanje nekog OZBILJNOG problema, i taj će problem (glavu dajem) biti ubrzo rešen. Pa onda sledi napadanje sledećeg ozbiljnog problema, i tako sve dok ljudi ne ostave iza sebe sve brige koje ih momentalno more :) A i tada će, verovatno, žovek i dalje sumnjati u činjenicu da mu je osnovni problem baš u glavi (žovek, inače, misli da su problemi oko njega, ne u njemu), pa će otići u Virtual Reality i tamo živeti dok mu ne dosadi. Šta će dalje biti - Bog sveti zna; možda čovečanstvo krene u razvijanje neke nove filozofije koja će mu olakšati spoznaju vlastite gluposti. Možda zaključi da mu je potrebna telepatija. Možda je i dokuči, zajedno sa telekinezom, "astralnom projekcijom za po kući", i svime što sledi - ... - a šta onda? Kada zaviri svuda gde može i ne može da se zaviri, i otkrije sve oko njega još neotkriveno... :) Hmh, tek će tada imati problem. Iako ova pitanja i pretpostavke nemaju direktne veze sa Cyber "kulturom" (a zašto ne "TV kultura" i "TV Space" - TV je više promenio žoveka nego tek odnedavno osmišljeni kompjuter), zanimljiva su, i ne spadaju ni u jednu drugu konferenciju, ako ništa drugo :) Tek, kompjuter je samo pomagalo pri komuniciranju i težnji za Globalnom Razmenom Informacija (pa za ćega nam, ba, glava služi, kad moramo koristiti mašiner'ju?) Zato i ne treba dizati toliku prašinu - stvari ionako dolaze na svoje mesto same od sebe ;)
cyber.culture.152 acid,
Evo ga i drugi nastavak Burning Chrome-a!! BURNING CHROME Written by William Gibson PART TWO I don't remember how I changed the subject, but I did. I was still telling myself that it wasn't Rikki who was getting to me, but what Bobby was doing with her. I'd known him for a long time, since the end of the war, and I knew he used women as counters in a game, Bobby Quine versus fortune, versus time and the night of cities. And Rikki had turned up just when he needed something to get him going, something to aim for. So he'd set her up as a symbol for everything he wanted and could not have, everything he'd had and couldn't keep. I didn't like having to listen to him tell me how much he loved her, and knowing he believed it only made it worse. He was a past master at the hard fall and the rapid recovery, and I'd seen it happen a dozen times before. He might as well have had NEXT printed across his sunglasses in Day-Glo capitals, ready to flash out at the first interesting face that flowed past the tables in the Gentleman Loser. I knew what he did to them. He turned them into emblems, sigils on the map of his hustler's life, navigation beacons he could follow through a sea of bars and neon. What else did he have to steer by? He didn't love money, in and of itself, not enough to follow its lights. He wouldn't work for power over other people; he hated the responsibility it brings. He had some classic pride in his skill, but that was never enough to keep him pushing. So he made do with the women. When Rikki showed up, he needed one in the worst way. He was fading fast, and smart money was already wispering that the edge was off his game. He needed that one big score, and soon, because he didn't know any other kind of life, and all his clocks were set for hustler's time, calibrated in risk and adrenaline and that supernal dawn calm that comes when every move's proved right and a sweet lump of someone else's credit clicks into your own account. It was time for him to make his bundle and get out; so Rikki got set up higher and farther away than any of the others ever had, even though - and I felt like screaming it at him - she was right there, alive, totally real, human, hungry, resilent, bored, beautiful, excited, all the things she was... Then he went out one afternoon, about a week before I made the trip to New York to see the Finn. Went out and left us there in the loft, waiting for a thunderstorm. Half the skylight was shadowed by a dome they'd never finished, and the other half showed sky, black and blue with clouds. I was standing by the bench, looking up at that sky, stupid with hot afternoon, the humidity, and she touched me, touched my shoulder, the half-inch border of taut pink scar that the arm doesn't cover. Anybody else ever touched me there, they went on to the shoulder, the neck... But she didn't do that. Her nails lacquered black, not pointed, but tapered oblongs, the lacquer only a shade darker than the carbon-fiber laminate that sheathes my arm. And her hand went down the arm, black nails tracing a weld in the laminate, down to the black anodized elbow joint, out to the wrist, her hand soft-knuckled as a child's, fingers spreading to lock over mine, her palm against the perforated Duralumin. Her other palm came up to brush across the feedback pads, and it rained all afternoon, raindrops drumming on the steel and soot-stained glass above Bobby's bed. Ice walls flick away like supersonic butterflies made of shade. Beyond them, the matrix's illusion of infinite space. It's like watching a tape of a prefab building going up; only the tape's reversed and run at high speed, and these walls are torn wings. Trying to remind myself that this place and the gulfs beyond are only representations, that we aren't 'in' Chrome's computer, but interfaced with it, while the matrix simulator in Bobby's loft generates this illusion... The core data begin to emerge, exposed, vulnerable... This is the far side of ice, the view of the matrix I've never seen before, the view that fifteen million legitimate console operators see daily and take for granted. The core data tower around us like vertical freight trains, color-coded for access. Bright primaries, impossibly bright in that transparent void, linked by countless horizontals in the nursery blues and pinks. But ice still shadows something at the center of it all: the heart of all Chrome's expencive darkness, the very heart... It was late afternoon when I got back from my shopping expedition to New York. Not much sun through the skylight, but an ice pattern glowed on Bobby's monitor screen, a 2-D graphic representation of someone's computer defences, lines of neon woven like an Art Deco prayer rug. I turned the console off, and the screen went completely dark. Rikki's things were spread across my workbench, nylon bags spilling clothes and makeup, a pair of bright red cowboy boots, audio cassettes, glossy Japanese magazines about simstim stars. I stacked it all under the bench and then took the arm off, forgetting that the program I'd bought from the Finn was in the right-hand pocket of my jacket, so that I had to fumble it out left-handed and then get it into the padded jaws of the jeweler's vise. The waldo looks like an old audio turntable, the kind that played disc records, with the vise set up under a transparent dust cover. The arm itself is just over a centimeter long, swinging out on what would've been the tone arm on one of those turntables. But I don't look at that when I've clipped the leads to my stump; I look at the scope, because that's my arm there in black and white, magnification 40X. I ran a tool check and picked up the lazer. It felt a little heavy; so I scaled my weight-sensors input down to a quarter-kilo per gram and got to work. At 40X the side of the program looked like a trailer truck. It took eight hours to crack: three hours with the waldo and the laser and four and four dozen taps, two hours on the phone to a contact in Colorado, and three hours to run down a lexicon disc that could translate eitht-year-old technical Russian. Then Cyrillic alphanumerics started reeling down the monitor, twisting themselves into English halfway down. There were a lot of gaps, where the lexicon ran up against specialized military acronyms in the readout I'd bought from my man in Colorado, but it did give me some idea of what I'd bought from the Finn. I felt like a punk who'd gone out to buy a switchblade and come home with a small neutron bomb. Screwed again, I thought. What good's a neutron bomb in a streetfight? The thing under the dust cover was right out of my league. I didn't even know where to unload it, where to look for a buyer. Someone had, but he was dead, someone with a Porsche watch and a fake Belgian passport, but I'd never tried to move in those circles. The Finn's muggers from the 'burbs had knocked over someone who had some highly arcane connections. The program in the jeweler's vise was a Russian military icebreaker, a killer-virus program. It was dawn when Bobby came in alone. I'd fallen asleep with a bag of takeout sandwiches in my lap. "You want to eat?" I asked him, not really awake, holding out my sandwiches. I'd been dreaming of the program, of its waves of hungry glitch systems and mimetic subprograms; in the dream it was an animal of some kind, shapeless and flowing. He brushed the bag aside on his way to the console, punched a function key. The screen lit with the intricate pattern I'd seen there that afternoon. I rubbed sleep from my eyes with my left hand, one thing I can't do with my right. I'd fallen asleep trying to decide whether to tell him about the program. Maybe I should try to sell it alone, keep the money, go somewhere new, ask Rikki to go with me. "Whose is it?" I asked. He stood there in a black cotton jump suit, an old leather jacket thrown over his shoulder like a cape. He hadn't shaved for a few days, and his looked thinner than usual. "It's Chrome's," he said. My arm convulsed, started clicking, fear translated to the myoelectrics through the carbon studs. I spilled the sandwiches; limp sprouts, and bright yellow dairy-produce slices on the unswept wooden floor. "You're stone crazy," I said. "No," he said, "you think she rumbled it? No way. We'd be dead already. I locked on to her through a triple-blind rental system in Mombasa and an Algerian comsat. She knew somebody was having a look-see, but she couldn't trace it." If Chrome had traced the pass Bobby had made at her ice, we were good as dead. But he was probably right, or she'd have had me blown away on my way back from New York. "Why her, Bobby? Just give me one reason..." Chrome: I'd seen her maybe half a dozen times in the Gentleman Loser. Maybe she was slumming, or checking out the human condition, a condition she didn't exactly aspire to. A sweet little heart-shaped face framing the nastiest pair of eyes you ever saw. She'd looked fourteen for as long as anyone could remember, hyped out of anything like a normal metabolism on some massive program of serums and hormones. She was as ugly a customer as the street ever produced, but she didn't belong to the street anymore. She was one of the boys, Chrome, a member in good standing of the local Mob subsidary. Word was, she'd gotten started as a dealer, back when synthetic pituitary hormones were still proscribed. But she hadn't had to move hormones for a long time. Now she owned the House of Blue Lights. "You're flat-out crazy, Quine. You give me one sane reason for having that stuff on your screen. You ought to dump it, and I mean now..." "Talk in the Loser," he said, shrugging out of the leather jacket. "Black Myron and Crow Jane. Jane, she's up on all the sex lines, claims she know where the money goes. So she's arguing with Myron that Chrome's the controlling interest in the Blue Lights, not just some figurehead for the Boys." "'The Boys', Bobby," I said. "That's the operative word there. You still capable of seeing that? We don't mess with the Boys, remember? That's why we're still walking around." "That's why we're still poor, partner." He settled back into the swivel chair in front of the console, unzipped his jump suit, and scratched his skinny white chest. "But maybe not for much longer." "I think this partnership just got itself permanently dissolved." Then he grinned at me. That grin was truly crazy, feral and focused, and I knew that right then he really didn't give a shit about dying. "Look," I said, "I've got some money left, you know? Why don't you take it and get the tube to Miami, catch a hopper to Montego Bay. You need a rest, man. You've got to get your act together." "My act, Jack," he said, punching something on the keyboard, "never has been this together before." The neon prayer rug on the screen shivered and woke as an animation program cut in, ice lines weaving with hypnotic frequency, a living mandala. Bobby kept punching, and the movement slowed; the pattern resolved itself, grew slightly less complex, became an alternation between two distant configurations. A first-class piece of work, and I hadn't thought he was still that good. "Now," he said, "there, see it? Wait. There. There again. And there. Easy to miss. That's it. Cuts in every hour and twenty minutes with a squirt transmission to their comsat. We could live for a year on what she pays them weekly in negative interest." "Whose comsat?" "Zurich. Her bankers. That's her bankbook, Jack. That's where the money goes. Crow Jane was right." I stood there. My arm forgot to click. "So how'd yo do in New York, partner? You get anything that'll help me cut ice? We're going to need whatever we can get." I kept my eyes on his, forced myself not to look in the direction of the waldo, the jeweler's vise. The Russian program was there, under the dust cover. Wild cards, luck changers. "Where's Rikki?" I asked him, crossing to the console, pretending to study the alternating patterns on the screen. "Friends of hers," he shrugged, "kids, they're all into simstim." He smiled absently. "I'm going to do it for her, man." "I'm going out to think about this, Bobby. You want me to come back, you keep your hands off the board." "I'm doing it for her," he said as the door closed behind me. "You know I am." And down now, down, the program a roller coaster through this fraying maze of shadow walls, gray cathedral spaces between the bright towers. Headlong speed. Black ice. Don't think about it. Black ice. Too many stories in the Gentleman Loser; black ice is a part of the mythology. Ice that kills. Illegal, but then aren't we all? Some kind of neural-feedback weapon, and you connect with it only once. Like some hideous Word that eats the mind from the inside out. Like an epileptic spasm that goes on and on until there's nothing left at all... And we're diving for the floor of Chrome's shadow castle. Trying to brace myself for the sudden stopping of breath, a sickness and final slackening of the nerves. Fear of that cold Word waiting, down there in the dark. I went out and looked for Rikki, found her in a cafe with a boy Sendai eyes, half-healed suture lines radiating form his bruised sockets. She had a glossy brochure spread open at the table, Tally Isham smiling up from a dozen photographs, the Girl with the Zeiss Ikon Eyes. Her little simstim deck was one of the things I'd stacked under my bench the night before, the one I'd fixed for her the day after I'd first seen her. She spent hours jacked into that unit, the contact band across her forehead like a gray plastic tiara. Tally Isham was her favorite, and with the contact band on, she was gone, off somewhere in the recorded sensorium of simstim's biggest star. Simulated stimuli: the worls - all the interesting parts, anyway - as perceived by Tally Isham. Tally raced a black Fokker ground-effect plane across Arizona mesa tops. Tally dived the Truck Island preserves. Tally partied with the superrich on private Greek islands, heartbreaking purity of those tiny white seaports at dawn. Actually she looked a lot like Tally, same coloring and cheekbones. I thought Rikki's mouth was stronger. More sass. She didn't want to BE Tally Isham, but she coveted the job. That was her ambition, to be in simstim. Bobby just laughed it off. She talked to me about it, though. "How'd I look with a pair of these?" she'd ask, holding a full-page headshot, Tally Isham's blue Zeiss Ikons lined up with own amber-brown. She'd had her corneas done twice, but she still wasn't 20-20; so she wanted Ikons. Brand of the stars. Very expensive. "You still window-shopping for eyes?" I asked as I sat down. "Tiger just got some," she said. She looked tired, I thought. Öş│Ęů═ÝyŠ*Ú]Ę│─
cyber.culture.153 spantic,
> organizacioni metod kojim će se velike grupe ljudi uključiti u > rešavanje nekog OZBILJNOG problema, i taj će problem (glavu dajem) Ili uopšte nikada neće biti rešen? Odavno je poznato da ako manju ekipu zatvoriš u sobu da će se nakon nekog vremena pojaviti sa nekim rešenjem da kukajuza malo vode i hrane ;) Istu tu grupu povećaj i umreće od žeđi ;(
cyber.culture.154 ndragan,
/ ?! sta je ovo A šta je _ovo_? Poruka sa imaginarnim tačkicama? Jel treba da odemuliramo?
cyber.culture.155 ndragan,
/ -*- Armitage -*- Znao sam da ćeš se izgenerisati kad dođe trenutak.
cyber.culture.156 ndragan,
/ nemaju YUSCII zezaju sa konvertovanjem, search & replace, i sličnim Ja trošim isti taj juski, i vidim Šovo i onoĆ (upravo Š kao Šabac i Ć kao Ćuprija) i ladno ga čitam. To je za mene još samo jedan ekranski pravopis. Ne shvatam u čemu je frka. Razmazili se? Postali robovi sopstvene navike? Gde nam je sposobnost za brze konverzije? S druge strane, upravo ukorenjivanje ovakvih navika je opet jedna virtuelna okolina koju svako sebi stvara na svom računaru. Dok sam radio na nekoliko mašina dnevno, imao sam osećaj da je svaka mašina mesto za sebe. Različiti rasporedi tastature, boje ekrana, fontovi na grafičkim karticama, brzine odziva u raznim trenucima, tvrdoća tastature... pejzaž.
cyber.culture.158 dr.grba,
>> Ja trošim isti taj juski, i vidim Šovo i onoĆ (upravo Š kao Šabac i Ć >> kao Ćuprija) i ladno ga čitam. To je za mene još samo jedan ekranski Ne, ne... najbolje je ono žajdž (:
cyber.culture.159 ndragan,
/ A jel smem ja da se izblamiram pa da pitam ko su to / lenjiraši? :) Lenjiraši su LRP, samo u nauci.
cyber.culture.160 ndragan,
/ tehničko rešenje nekog problema - ali u osnovi svih tih tehničkih / rešenja stoji problem odnosa humanoida i mašine. Sad si me podsetio jednog scenarija koji sam nažvrljao '76 negde u studentskoj menzi, ama sam čekao da nabavim video kameru (oteglo se to...), a radilo se upravo o sprezi čoveka i mašine, i to na primeru (pajz sad!) flipera. Scenario je bio poprilično bezvezan, jednostavno sam mu presudio bacanjem u korpu, ali i dalje smatram da o odnosu čoveka i mašine (u smislu da se čovek baš zalepi za nju, da je 'oseća', da već instinktivno zna kako će ona da reaguje itd) mnogo lakše može da govori onaj ko je proveo dovoljno vremena prateći čeličnu kuglicu.
cyber.culture.161 ndragan,
/ A, nenenene ! Nasa okolina utice na nase ponasanje u cyberspace-u. Kibersvemir je naš prostor. Razmisli samo o tome koliko ljudi, ovde prisutnih, ne odgovaraju svojoj slici koju stekneš čitajući njihove poruke? To nije isti prostor, i osobine nisu iste.
cyber.culture.162 ndragan,
/ 3. Imati distancu (rezervu) prema svim odsečnim stavovima, ...jer je sve to u stvari prividno, prava (?) elektronska iluzija.
cyber.culture.163 ndragan,
/ i kaže da požurim, a ja kao iz topa: "kako da požurim kad ima / puno bad sectora" :))) (hoću reći, pirinač je bio pun đubreta) Pre tri godine, koljemo svinju: - gde ćemo ovo da stavimo, pun nam je zamrzivač - ma, pozipovaćemo...
cyber.culture.164 ndragan,
/ ... nije to pljeskavica pa da je turim u flopi :) Da podsetim na legendarno formatiranje sira, izvedeno još pre četiri godine.
cyber.culture.165 ndragan,
/ paketi informacija su sažetiji Da znaš, toliko sam se navikao da se izražavam posebnim jezikom 'za da može da stane na ekran', da kad napišem nešto pa posle treba da se prevede na mađarski, drugar se vata za glavu jer ne uspeva da istera srpsku rečenicu iz glave, a sve se divi kako je kratka i jasna, i na jedvite jade uspeva da je prevede. Naprimer, u nekoj masci za ubacivanje na listu čekanja napišem: "prepunjeno: urgentan / odustajemo / neki drugi dan". To je dovoljno jasno i staje u jedan red :). Važi i obratno: na računarskom mađarskom ima zgodnih kratkih izraza koji zahtevaju vratolomiju od prevodioca. Kad smo kod kratkoće, prošle godine sam bio neko vreme na SetNetu, i baš sam se popalio da pišem tegove (ne uspevam sad da nađem fajl). Ništa nije predugačko ako se dobro skrati. Koliko toga može da se strpa u 60 znakova. Evo najpopularnijeg mi tega, stvarno ga je nakralo dosta ljudi: 2b .or. !2b ?=time()
cyber.culture.166 djcorto,
>> Kibersvemir je nas prostor. Razmisli samo o tome koliko ljudi, >> ovde prisutnih, ne odgovaraju svojoj slici koju steknes >> citajuci njihove poruke? To nije isti prostor, i osobine nisu >> iste. Tacno, ali pretezno po izgledu. Iskreno receno, ni jedan clan Sezama koga sam upoznao nije odgovarao mojoj mentalnoj predstavi o istom. Krarkter, medjutim, se dosta lako procita, i ode u svimanje-vise isti kao i u zivotu. Neki manje, neki vise ;) Poruka je isla na temu svadje oko rasporeda. Steta je da se dobra tema upropasti tako glupom pricom, na nivou ekavice u BiH (bez komentara, molim, postoji Forum) ali je istoremeno stvar pokazala da smo , ma koliko se qrcili svojim kompjuterasenjem, ipak samo zitelji ove zemlje i ovog mesta. I zato je bila korisna. Potkacili su se isti ljudi koji se u svakoj konferenciji potkace sa vrlo slicnom argumentacijom i medjusobnim odnosom. Jeste, svaki racunar je pejzaz/kuca/soba/fotelja/licnost (nepotrebno precrtati) za sebe. Svaki BBS isto tako. A Internet mu dodje bas nesto kao analogija sveta. Ili sanjam ? ;) I, na kraju, da se upitamo zasto mi tri ili cetiri sata dnevno potrosimo na Sezam, sto na vezi, sto u OLR-u ? Business or pleasure ? ;) dJOLE
cyber.culture.167 djcorto,
>> - ma, pozipovacemo... Dobio moj kum od Sezamovca Pishte mace, musko ... Posle par meseci, ono malo i slatko postade macorcina ! Pitam ja sta bi, a on ce : "Ma, pusti, uvalio mi zipovanu macku ... " :)))
cyber.culture.168 djcorto,
>> Da podsetim na legendarno formatiranje sira, izvedeno jos pre >> cetiri godine. ????????? Fill me in :)
cyber.culture.169 djcorto,
>> Da znas, toliko sam se navikao da se izrazavam posebnim >> jezikom 'za da moze da stane na ekran', da kad napisem nesto >> pa posle treba da se Ja poceo u zvanicne dopise da stavljam :), :(, ;) :))))) Daktilografkinja kraaajnje zbunjena :)))))
cyber.culture.170 max.headroom,
> Ili uopšte nikada neće biti rešen? Odavno je poznato da > ako manju ekipu zatvoriš u sobu da će se nakon nekog > vremena pojaviti sa nekim Ja tipujem na bolji metod organizacije (dajem im čak tri decenije!) :)
cyber.culture.171 dr.grba,
>> Kibersvemir je naš prostor. Razmisli samo o tome koliko ljudi, ovde >> prisutnih, ne odgovaraju svojoj slici koju stekneš čitajući njihove >> poruke? To nije isti prostor, i osobine nisu iste. Zbilja! Eto, recimo, ja sam mislio da se ti šišaš ponekad (((:
cyber.culture.172 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ / A jel smem ja da se izblamiram pa da pitam ko su to Ů│ ˙ / lenjiraši? :) Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ Lenjiraši su LRP, samo u nauci. --- Okay, let's go again! Blam number two! ;) Ko su LRP?
cyber.culture.173 dr.grba,
>>>> Da podsetim na legendarno formatiranje sira, izvedeno jos pre >>>> cetiri godine. >> >> ????????? Fill me in :) Ma, reč je o jednom heroju Sezama (ko li to beše? Facko, de, javi se, znam da si tu!) koji je gledao u paklo sendvič sira (sećate li se ovoga?), i gledao i gledao i gledao, ovaj ga podsetio gabaritom na 3.5" disketu... Turio čovek sir (sve sa najlonom, naravno (: ) u drajv, otkucao komandu format, a DOS valjda javio "Track 0 bad", a drajv drljao po siru, drljao.... Formatiranje, navodno, nije uspelo (((:
cyber.culture.174 maksa,
>> Turio čovek sir (sve sa najlonom, naravno (: ) u drajv, >> otkucao komandu format, a DOS valjda javio "Track 0 bad", a >> drajv drljao po siru, drljao.... >> >> Formatiranje, navodno, nije uspelo (((: Je l' probao sa NDD ?
cyber.culture.175 fancy,
ŮŢ> Ko su LRP? Levi Ruski Pisci Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske pisce koji su znali da drže olovku.
cyber.culture.176 vcalic,
>> Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske >> pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. Nije valjda toliko vremena prošlo da moramo opet ;)) Vlada
cyber.culture.177 fancy,
ŮŢ> Je l' probao sa NDD ? Misliš NCD..? (Norton Cheese Doctor)
cyber.culture.178 fancy,
ŮŢ> >> Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske ŮŢ> >> pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. ŮŢ> ŮŢ> Nije valjda toliko vremena prošlo da moramo opet ;)) Ovo mi izgleda kao pravo mesto LRP - cyber space... ready when you are..;)
cyber.culture.179 veca,
>> Ja trošim isti taj juski, i vidim Šovo i onoĆ (upravo Š kao Šabac i >> Ć kao Ćuprija) i ladno ga čitam. To je za mene još samo jedan Ovo me podseti kad sam drugarici usnimila neke diskete, pa me, kad je stigla kući, zvala telefonom da joj objasnim kako da presnimi na disk. U neko doba kaže 'neće', šta neće rekoh, šta piše na ekranu? 'šokć' (ŠokĆ) zbunjenim glasom :) tu umrem od smeha i nastavimo dalje :)
cyber.culture.180 inferno,
Ů│ ˙ ŮŢ> Ko su LRP? Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ Levi Ruski Pisci Ů│ ˙ Ů│ ˙ Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske Ů│ ˙ pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. 10x, 10x... :)
cyber.culture.181 veca,
>> Nije valjda toliko vremena prošlo da moramo opet ;)) Samo nemojte u moj bunar :))
cyber.culture.182 dr.grba,
>> Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske >> pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. A onda se rodio Oberiu.
cyber.culture.183 ilazarevic,
> Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske > pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. Izuzeo bih Dostojevskog. PS. Here we go again... ;)
cyber.culture.184 fancy,
ŮŢ> PS. Here we go again... ;) Oh, no we don't..:)
cyber.culture.185 spantic,
> Levi Ruski Pisci > > Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve ruske > pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. Ne, ne opet. Kada budeš nešto od dotičnih koje kritikuješ izvoleo i pročitati mogao bi da ponovo pročitaš gornju poruku. Ali da je ne brišeš tada ;)
cyber.culture.186 dejanr,
Electronic Frontiers Houston presents... The 1994 EFH Sysop Liability Workshop: "Computer Bulletin Boards and the Law" This free workshop features local attorneys offering insight into the perplexing legal issues which face BBS sysops and users. Who owns the material on a BBS? What about adult/sexually explicit content? Can a sysop be held responsible for the actions of the board's users? What can anyone do to keep out of trouble in Saturday, October 29th, 2:00 p.m. University of Houston, Downtown -- Room 1099 North For more info, contact Ed Cavazos (ecavazos@blkbox.com) or (713) Panelists include: ** Ed Cavazos, Esq. (author of "Cyberspace and the Law: Your Rights and Duties in the On-Line World") [ecavazos@blkbox.com] ** Steve Ryan, Esq. (frequent speaker on computer law and the computer underground) [oblivion@usis.com] ** Kyle Giacco, Esq. (Meyer, Orlando, & Evans) [orange@blkbox.com] What is EFH? "Electronic Frontiers Houston" (EFH) is a non-profit corporation devoted to working with and for the Houston computer and telecommunications community. Working in alliance with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFF-Austin and other national and regional organizations, EFH acts as a focal point for the diverse set of individuals who find themselves involved in computer communications. Included on the EFH's agenda are: advocating civil liberty issues in "cyberspace," promoting wider public access to computer networks, exploring artistic and social implications of new digital media, and educating the public about the increasingly important on-line world. Wanna Help? Although there are many ways you can get involved in the 1994 EFH Sysop Liability Workshop (contact ecavazos@blkbox.com for more info), the easiest and most helpful contribution is to help propogate this message throughout cyberspace. Please repost it anywhere you think it might be appropriate. EFH will handle the print media (newspapers, etc.), and is trying to coordinate a campaign to get the word out on the net, but there is no way to cover it all. We need all the help we can get. If everyone would take a moment to buffer this text and mail it to a friend, sysop, or sysadmin, post it on a BBS, or print it onto a flyer to distribute at school or work, we can hope to reach as many people as possible about what we think is going to be a very beneficial public service.
cyber.culture.187 fancy,
ŮŢ> Ne, ne opet. Kada budeš nešto od dotičnih koje kritikuješ izvoleo i ŮŢ> pročitati mogao bi da ponovo pročitaš gornju poruku. Ali da je ne ŮŢ> brišeš tada ;) Sine, izvoleo sam pročitati sasvim dovoljno, a ako je obrisana, mora da je neka greška... Zato je sada ispravljam: ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ │ │ Levi Ruski Pisci │ │ │ Minorna i beznačajna pojava u literaturi, i obuhvata uglavnom sve │ │ │ ruske pisce koji su znali da drže olovku. │ │ │ └───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
cyber.culture.188 peacock,
#### smislu da se čovek baš zalepi za nju, da je 'oseća', da već #### instinktivno zna kako će ona da reaguje itd) mnogo lakše može #### da govori onaj ko je proveo dovoljno vremena prateći čeličnu #### kuglicu. ... ili igrajući Tristana :)
cyber.culture.189 spantic,
> Sine, izvoleo sam pročitati sasvim dovoljno, a ako je obrisana, mora da > je neka greška... To jest ništa?
cyber.culture.190 ilazarevic,
> Oh, no we don't..:) Y not? ;)
cyber.culture.191 darone,
"There is no there, there."
cyber.culture.192 fancy,
ŮŢ> Y not? ;) don't feel like it..;(
cyber.culture.193 pyc.guy,
Na excurziji u Atini kupih novu plocu grupe WestBam. Radi se o rave muzici, pa sam zato odlucio da pisem u ovoj temi... Naime, ;) na poledjini ploce je jedan text na nemackom jeziku koji ja ne razumem, pa bih zamolio nekoga ko zna nemacki jezik da prevede ovaj, nadam se, zanimljiv text. Izvinjavam se na eventualnim greskama, tesko se razlikuju slova a, e, i, l. --------------------------------------------------------------- WestBam: Die ravende Gesellschaft 1994. Alles ist anders. Unten ist oben und oben ist uten. Underground ist overground und overground ist underground. Komemerziell ist unkommerziel und ukommerziel ist kommerziell. Ein Umbruch hat begonnen. Wir befinden uns auf dem Wag in die ravende Gesellschaft. Als 1989 ca. 150 Leute bel der ersten Love Parade über den Berliner Ku'damm zogen, hätten wenige für maglich gehalten, daß house und techno diesen Einfluß auf die Populärkultur haben würden. Als wieder ein paar Jahre später bei Mayday in Köln 1992 zum ersten mal in Deutchland über 10000 Raver zusammenkamen, hielten viele das für das Ende der Fahnenstange, das ender des "Trends" und nannten die Verensteltung "im Grunde anachonistisch". Tatsächlich ist der Einfluß der Rave-und Clubkultur seitdem immer weiter gewachsen. House und techno nicht nur die ganze Nacht, sondern auch den ganzen Tag, die ganze Woche und überall: Von den kleisten Clubs bis zu den größten Verranstaltungsoten, von den indie labels bis zu den majors, in den Metropolen genau wie in der Provinz, im Frontpage wie der Bild Zeitung, im Supermarkt und in Morgenmagazin. Der Zeltpunkt ist gekommen, an dem wir uns fragen müssen: Habben wir das gewollt? Ole Antwort lautet: Ja. Well für uns die Anfänge im underground auch immer der Aufbruch in eine revolutionierte Populärkultur war, der Start in die ravende Gesellschaft. Well wir von Anfang an auch angtreten sind, um der überhalten Popkultur ihren Platz streltig zu machen. Nach unbeholfen und robotarhaft-eingeengt raagiert die, nach rock'n'roll Schemata funtionierende Untehaltungsmaschine: Die vertriabe wissen nicht, wie sie vertreiban sollen, die Verestalter wissen nicht, wie sie verenstalten sollen, die Plattenfirmen können "die Themen" nicht "handlen". Die Medien berichten unzutreffend. Der Umbau der Unterhaltungsmaschine im Sinne der ravenden Gesellschaft wird zu den wichtigen Aufgaben der nächtan jahre gehören. Verstört beobachten das Spektakel die Telle des historischen house undergrounds in daren Verständnis house und techno nicht der Beginn einer neuen Ara und der ravenden Gesellschaft sind. Diese Fraktion verstaht underground als eine Art Ausstelgerinsel, die es vor dem Zugriff der Öffentlichkelt zu bewahren gilt. Wonach die Populärkultur schnappt, läßt dieser Untergrund sofort erschrocken fallen. Ein großer Teil des krativen Potentials fließt demansprechend in die Versterckabelt, in das Erdenken von Ausweichtechniken und das Erfinden von möglichst Sinnlosem, gesellschaflich Unvereinnehmbarem. Hierzu ist zu sagen: Jede musikalische Neuerung kommt aus einer, wie auch immer gearteten, Untegrundkultur, jeder lebendige Musikstil braucht diese Untergrundkultur, um sich zu erneuern. Aber um die Errichtung eines Untergrundreservates kann as nicht gehen. Welche Revolution will schon ins Reservat? -------------------------------------------------------------- huh...:) Pyc
cyber.culture.194 max.headroom,
> ... ili igrajući Tristana :) Glede Tristana: postoji li samo jedan nivo (screen) ili više njih?
cyber.culture.195 peacock,
#### Glede Tristana: postoji li samo jedan nivo (screen) ili više #### njih? Nemam pojma, nisam još prebacio stotku, mada sam blizu :)
cyber.culture.196 ilazarevic,
> don't feel like it..;( 'twould really be a slaugther for the next few weeks... ;) love it!
cyber.culture.197 fancy,
ŮŢ> 'twould really be a slaugther for the next few weeks... ;) love it! would be, 'lright, but it ain't such fun like 'tused to be... (f.no.more)
cyber.culture.198 ndragan,
/ A mrzim 852, mrzim ga k'o dušmana! Lako je Mađarima, njima YYYY-MM-DD / odgovara. Grozno je za unos. Ponudiš mu današnji datum, a on treba da ukuca jučerašnji - mora da prekuca svih 6, a ne samo dve cifre kao kod nas.
cyber.culture.199 ndragan,
/#### da govori onaj ko je proveo dovoljno vremena prateći čeličnu /#### kuglicu. / ... ili igrajući Tristana :) Neee, baš je u tome stvar, što je živi fliper upravo mašina koja drma, lupa, zvoni, prenosi ti vibracije kroz ruke noge i kukove, ljulja ti odsjaj neona u pivu, i zahteva od tebe itekakvu interakciju i neprekidnu svest o tome gde si spustio cigaru. Imaš doživljaj. Osim ako ti Tristan ne drma tastaturu.
cyber.culture.200 ndragan,
/ Zbilja! Eto, recimo, ja sam mislio da se ti šišaš ponekad (((: Svake godine, trebalo ili ne. čena mi napravi tako kvalitetnu frizuru, da cele godine ne moram ništa da popravljam - kvalitet, bato! Nije to softver da svaki čas izbacuje novu verziju.
cyber.culture.201 ndragan,
/>> Da podsetim na legendarno formatiranje sira, izvedeno jos pre / ????????? Fill me in :) Tost-topi sir ovdašnje mlekare, oko tri cola i štogod u kvadrat, ta baš kao disketla, a u celofanu. Turili u mali flopi i otkucali Format b: posle čega se zavrteo motor i upalila lampica. Posle nekoliko sekundi je prijavio neku grešku. Tek, nije red da se jede neformatiran sir :) --> this formatted cheese filling is a public service
cyber.culture.202 knight,
=> Neee, baš je u tome stvar, što je živi fliper upravo mašina koja drma, => lupa, zvoni, prenosi ti vibracije kroz ruke noge i kukove, ljulja ti => odsjaj neona u pivu, i zahteva od tebe itekakvu interakciju i neprekidnu => svest o tome gde si spustio cigaru. Imaš doživljaj. Samo si zaboravio da pomeneš sladak bol u zglobovima i veseo trenutak 'pucanja partije' (takkk! ;) . PS Preferiram Xenona ;)
cyber.culture.203 mikis,
+> / A mrzim 852, mrzim ga k'o dušmana! Lako je Mađarima, njima YYYY-MM-DD +> / odgovara. +> +> Grozno je za unos. Ponudiš mu današnji datum, a on treba da ukuca +> jučerašnji - mora da prekuca svih 6, a ne samo dve cifre kao kod nas. He, a jeste razmišljali da uputimo Microsoftu jednu peticiju - protesno pismo (e-mailom, naravno), i da tražimo da konačno promene tu glupost (recimo u Win '95) :) Ili, još bolje, da svako pošalje jedno: ---cut here--- uucp write billg@microsoft.com FYI, date format in Yugoslavia (and wider [*]) is DD-MM-YYYY ! ---cut here--- ;))) p.s. [*] - i šire :) p.p.s. Valjda nisam pogrešio adresu ;)
cyber.culture.204 jovca.car,
How to Leave the Planet: 1. Phone NASA. Their phone number is (731) 483-3111. Explain that it's very important that you get away as soon as possible. 2. If they do not cooperate, phone any friend you may have in the White House - (202) 456-1414 - to have a word on your behalf with the guys at NASA. 3. If you don't have any friends at the White House, phone the Kremlin (ask the overseas operator for 0107-095-295-9051). They don't have any friends there either (at least, none to speak of), but they seem to have a little influence, so you may as well try. 4. If that also fails, phone the Pope for guidance. His telephone number is 011-39-6-6982, and I gather his switchboard is infallible. 5. If all these attempts fail, flag down a passing flying saucer and explain that it's vitally important you get away before your phone bill arrives. Douglas Adams
cyber.culture.205 jovca.car,
/* uucp write billg@microsoft.com Ne vredi. U PC Magazinu kažu da Bili ima 'bozo filter' na e-mailu koji pušta samo mailove određenih grupa.
cyber.culture.206 maksa,
>> Osim ako ti Tristan ne drma tastaturu. Bogami, u vreme kad sam povremeno lupkao Tristan, par puta mi se desilo da žvajznem tastaturu sa strane, ne bi l' ga sprečio da me 'proda'. :) Zanese se čovek. :))
cyber.culture.207 uobradovic,
::> 1. Phone NASA. Their phone number is (731) 483-3111. Explain ::> that it's very important that you get away as soon as ::> possible. Ajde reci mi na srpskom šta si pričao u vezi NASA-e. Strašno me zanima. Uroš P.S. Da li neko zna koju škoku ili šta treba završiti da bi radili u NASA-i.
cyber.culture.208 mikis,
+> Ne vredi. U PC Magazinu kažu da Bili ima 'bozo filter' na e-mailu koji +> pušta samo mailove određenih grupa. Shit... Da probamo onda na president@whitehouse.gov? Šta? I on? Ništa, onda nam ostaje recept iz 14.204 ;)