sf.1dr.grba,
Voleo bih da se javi neko ko je pročitao dve serije koje su se pojavile
u "Polarisu" pre par godina : serija "Novo sunce", kao i "Letopisi
Tomasa Kovenanta, nevernika", i da iznese svoje impresije o dotičnim.
sf.2dr.grba,
(Reply na 7.291 u EXTRA.3)
>> Da kažemo da sam malo olabavio granice žanra. Uostalom, u njega
>> svrstavam i svoje 'Engarske listove', iako se definitivno radnja ne
>> događa ni u prošlosti ni u alternativnoj sadašnjosti.
Ovo je reply na dosta staru poruku, ali nisam odoleo...
Nema šanse da stvoriš valjanu atmosferu (ili barem ono što se danas smatra
pod tim izrazom) ako striktno ostaneš u okvirima nekih strogih premisa
žanra. Mislim da je pojava braće Strugacki definitivni kraj jedne takve
epohe. Pogledajte šta se desilo sa Stanislavom Lemom. Ne znam da li ste
čitali "Fijasko". Ta knjiga je, po meni, fijasko jednog velikog pisca.
Osta čovek posvećen "Solarisu", verovatno je hteo da šire apsolvira
nešto što je po svemu sudeći nedorecivo. Slično i Klark...
Pade mi na pamet kako bi Orson Skot Kard preradio "Fijasko". Lepo
bismo dobili novelu od 50-60 strana, pisanu pitkijim jezikom i sa
bolje oslikanom kulminacijom. Kulinacija u "Fijasku" zvuči kao da
je čita Milka Babović.
Ili zamislim Rodžera Zelaznija kako prerađuje "2061: Treću odiseju"...
Popije tri kafe, preznojava se, celo prepodne izgubi, izađe na sunčani
trem, vrati se u radnu sobu, baci rukopis u kamin i izvadi špil iz stola (:
Ndragane, da si hteo da izbrusiš vremensku dimenziju u "Engarskim listovima"
do kraja, i da si to učinio savršeno (šta god "savršenstvo" podrazumevalo),
priča bi bila zrela za koš. Da ne govorimo o "labavim granicama žanra",
kako ih ti nazivaš. Da nisu labave, ne bi ni valjale.
Da li si se javljao na konkurse "Znaka Sagite"? Par tvojih radova slobodno
imaju mesto u "Tamnom vilajetu".
sf.3broker,
> Da li si se javljao na konkurse "Znaka Sagite"? Par tvojih
> radova slobodno imaju mesto u "Tamnom vilajetu".
Ja samo Bobanu Kneževicu prosledio dve Draganove priče: Engarski
listovi i Duh u mašini. Dragan mi ne reče da li su priče već
negde objavljivane jer ako jesu ne mogu učestvovati na konkursu
Znak Sagite. U svakom slucaju tu je i magazin "Znak Sagite" pa će
valjda biti nešto...
broker
sf.4broker,
Priču TRI (MILIONA) KOSTURA, Dragana R. Filipovića, koja je
osvojila prvo mesto na konkursu Znak Sagite možete naći na Oreska
BBS-u.
broker
sf.5spantic,
> Voleo bih da se javi neko ko je pročitao dve serije koje
> su se pojavile u "Polarisu" pre par godina : serija "Novo
> sunce", kao i "Letopisi Tomasa Kovenanta, nevernika", i da
> iznese svoje impresije o dotičnim.
Eto ja sam ih pročitao.
"Novo sunce" u SAD trpaju u Fantasy mada je ipak reč SF-u, mada
neortodoksnom doduše. Priča o Zemlji posle mnogo vekova sa
istrošenim resursima, kada je nauka izgledala kao magija. Knjige
opisuju kako je dželatski kalfa postao imperator i još važnije
došao do novog Sunca umesto istrošenog zemljinog. Serije se meni
svidela, mada je meni zadnja knjiga: "Novo sunce" možda najslabija
u seriji.
"Letopisi" su Fantasy i to različit od Tolkienovih velemajstorskih
dela. To je nezgoda sa bardima. Niko posle nije uporediv. Ideja je
originalna. Pisac Kovenant je gubavac koji se podvrgava čvrstoj
samokontroli da bi preživeo. Sticajem okolnosti on prelazi u
alternativni svet gde ga vide kao heroja i spasioca što on grčevito
odbija. Na svoj način fascinantna knjiga.
sf.6spantic,
Jeste da ovo nisu MALI.OGLASI ali možda bude kogod zanimalo.
Prodajem 5 knjiga iz serije "Letopisi Tomasa Kovenanta, nevernika" na
srpskom, izdanje Polaris za pola cene koju je čivković tražio. Knjige
su potpuno očuvane.
Reč je o knjigama Stivena Donaldsona: KOB POGLAVARA KLETNIKA, RAT
ZLOZEMLJA, MOĆ OžUVANJA, RANJENA DOMAJA, JEDINO DRVO.
Cena za svih pet knjiga kod čivkovića je bila 70 DEM, ja ih nudim
za 35 DEM. Za zadovoljstvom se prihvata i trampa za druge SF ili F
knjige na engleskom ili srpskom ( mada te mahom imam sve ) a mogući
su i drugi dogovori.
Isto prodajem tri knjige iz serije "Kraljica" od Džoan Vindž koje
kod Polarisa koštaju 45 DEM, reč je o friškim delima. Dakle, ja
potpuno nove knjige:
"Zimska kraljica", "Letnja kraljica I i II" prodajem za 25 DEM.
Ko plaća u DEM nek slobodno zaboravi na 5 u oba slučaja :)
sf.7paki,
> Voleo bih da se javi neko ko je pročitao dve serije koje su se
> pojavile u "Polarisu" pre par godina : serija "Novo sunce", kao i
> "Letopisi Tomasa Kovenanta, nevernika", i da iznese svoje impresije
> o dotičnim.
Moj prijatelj iz škole je pročitao gorepomenute "Letopise..." ali
videću ga tek u septembru, tako da ako niko drugi dotada ne kaže
ništa, imate njegovo mišljenje.
sf.8vitez.koja,
#=> u "Polarisu" pre par godina : serija "Novo sunce", kao i
#=> "Letopisi Tomasa Kovenanta, nevernika", i da iznese
#=> svoje impresije o dotičnim
Pročitao sam obe knjige, i to poodavno. Moram da priznam da sam gvirnuo u
spanticevu poruku da se prisetim :) Te knjige zaista nisu vredne pamćenja.
"Novo sunce" je jedna opšta zbrka. Inače, to je jedna od knjiga iz serije
"Knjiga Novog Sunca", i složio bih se sa spanticem da je najgora. Pisac ima
nekakav svoj rečnik i svoj stil, nerazumljiv i težak, koji meni ponajviše liči
na kič. Težak kič, podražavanje načina pisanja nekih većih pisaca, pisaca koji
su imali šta da kažu. Na primer, on stalno, stalno ponavlja ime neke boje što
je crnja od crnog, što je na mene delovalo kao kad neko u govor stalno umeće
"ovaj". Zamalo da počnem da brojim :( Priča bi, zapravo, i mogla da se
kultiviše i postane zanimljiva, ali je pisac očigledno imao previsoko mišljenje
o samom sebi; ide tako radnja, još je i zanimljivo, kucam u drvo, kad on
odjednom počinje da izmišlja, da sere* tako strašno i tako bezočno da više ne
mogu da nastavim.
¨Letopisi..." su jedna mučna knjiga. Cela odiše nekim čemerom i buntom, očajem
glavnog lika koji je gubavac, koji u inat svetu nastavlja da živi mada ga taj
svet i ne zanima. (Svet ga, naravno, odbacuje). On takav pada pod pandurska
kola i nalazi sebe u nekom svetu čiji je on davno predskazani spasilac...
Glavni lik se ponaša potpuno apatično, uzgred siluje jednu devojku, pa onda se
malo lomata po planinama i dolinama do konačne bitke sa armijama zla.
Stereotipno. Knjiga i nije toliko loša za pročitati, ali u meni nije ostavila
nikakav pozitivan utisak, nikakav svetli trenutak... A to nema nikakvog smisla.
sf.9spantic,
> Priču TRI (MILIONA) KOSTURA, Dragana R. Filipovića, koja
> je osvojila prvo mesto na konkursu Znak Sagite možete naći
> na Oreska BBS-u.
Ako čuješ Dragana prenesi mu čestitke. I na nagradi i na priči. U
potpunosti je zaslužio.
sf.10dr.grba,
>> > Priču TRI (MILIONA) KOSTURA, Dragana R. Filipovića, koja
>> > je osvojila prvo mesto na konkursu Znak Sagite možete naći
>> > na Oreska BBS-u.
>>
>> Ako čuješ Dragana prenesi mu čestitke. I na nagradi i na priči. U
>> potpunosti je zaslužio.
Pridružujem se. Nadam se sledećem materijalu...
sf.11paki,
> Pročitao sam obe knjige, i to poodavno. Moram da priznam da sam
> gvirnuo u spanticevu poruku da se prisetim :) Te knjige zaista nisu
> vredne pamćenja.
Ne znam za knjige, ali znajte da čitate kritiku čoveka kome se
više sviđa "Mač od Šanare" nego "Gospodar Prstenova" :)
sf.12dgavrilovic,
> Glavni lik se ponaša potpuno apatično, uzgred siluje jednu devojku, pa onda s
> malo lomata po planinama i dolinama do konačne bitke sa armijama zla.
> Stereotipno. Knjiga i nije toliko loša za pročitati, ali u meni nije ostavila
> nikakav pozitivan utisak, nikakav svetli trenutak... A to nema nikakvog smisl
Sa ovim nikako ne mogu da se složim. Tomas Kovenant je jedan od retkih junaka
u ovom tipu književnosti koji ima svoj karakter i koji se ponaša u skladu sa
svojim uverenjima. Veliko osveženje u odnosu čarobnjake koji bez razloga
pojedu po tri Supermena za doručak.
sf.13spantic,
> Ne znam za knjige, ali znajte da čitate kritiku čoveka
> kome se više sviđa "Mač od Šanare" nego "Gospodar
> Prstenova" :)
Molim? Više mu se sviđa plagijat od originala? To je neoprostivo.
sf.14ndragan,
/ Ndragane, da si hteo da izbrusiš vremensku dimenziju u "Engarskim
/ listovima" do kraja, i da si to učinio savršeno (šta god "savršenstvo"
/ podrazumevalo), priča bi bila zrela za koš. Da ne govorimo o "labavim
/ granicama žanra",
Pošao sam od nekih premisa koje mi čine alternativnu istoriju; nju
uopšte ne spominjem, nego se bavim nekim njenim kasnijim posledicama.
Vreme je irelevantno, postoji jedino u smislu da su odnosi između
"svetske zajednice" i Engara već duže vreme neodređeni.
BTW, nadam se da je neko ukapirao šta sam radio sa imenima, i odakle mi
građa za neke stvari.
/ Da li si se javljao na konkurse "Znaka Sagite"? Par tvojih radova
/ slobodno imaju mesto u "Tamnom vilajetu".
U toku je prepiska sa Brokerom preko SET NETa. Ako ovo pročita pre onog,
da kažem da sam objavio samo dve kraće priče, a kod njih to i piše na
dnu. Ovo što on ima nije nigde objavljeno, kao ni skoro ništa od onog
što ima na Sezamu.
p.s. jel me ti to fališ šo smo zemljaci? tnx anynjay.
sf.15vitez.koja,
#=> Molim? Više mu se sviđa plagijat od originala? To je
#=> neoprostivo.
Kad je zakazano suđenje ? ;)
Inače, ja sam samo stavio nekoliko (po meni dobrih) zamerki na Gospodara
prstenova. Popio sam reakciju (i onda u sad) kao da sam na mitingu vadikala
rekao da ima i dobrih Muslimana ;)))
Mnogo ste, brate, isključivi. Gospodar prstenova, mora se priznati, ima jednu
dimenziju koju Mač od Šanare nema, ali pomorandže nisu jedino voće.
sf.16broker,
>> Priču TRI (MILIONA) KOSTURA, Dragana R. Filipovića, koja
>> je osvojila prvo mesto na konkursu Znak Sagite možete
>> naći na Oreska BBS-u.
>
> Ako čuješ Dragana prenesi mu čestitke. I na nagradi i na
> priči. U potpunosti je zaslužio.
Hoću. Uvek mu je milo kad čuje da ljudi vole da ga čitaju.
broker
sf.17broker,
>>> Ako čuješ Dragana prenesi mu čestitke. I na nagradi i na
>>> priči. U potpunosti je zaslužio.
>
> Pridružujem se. Nadam se sledećem materijalu...
Sledeći materijal je već gotov. Ovih dana se završava konkurs u
težoj kategoriji konkursa, pa je i on tamo. Prižu sam već
pročitao, doduše uz prekucavanje sa rukopisa. Neću sad o utiscima
zbog radi konkursa.
Ako baš voliš Draganove umotvorine, navrati na Oresku, jer tamo
ima skoro sve što je napisao. A ima i mnogo toga od drugih
autora, sve bolji od boljeg...
pozdrav,
broker
sf.18broker,
> U toku je prepiska sa Brokerom preko SET NETa. Ako ovo
> pročita pre onog, da kažem da sam objavio samo dve kraće
> priče, a kod njih to i piše na dnu. Ovo što on ima nije
> nigde objavljeno, kao ni skoro ništa od onog što ima na
> Sezamu.
Da, stiglo je u oba slučaja. Pošto je sad kasno da uletiš na ovaj
konkurs, sačekaćemo sledeći (koji počinje uskoro). Na vreme ću
dobiti propozicije konkursa i naći ćeš ih u NET.CULTURE, a ako
ima zainteresovanih, poslaću i ovde.
Ne znam šta na na SEZAMU ima od tvojih priča, ali bih voleo da ih
dobijem, pa ako bude jod neki humantirani kontigent između Oreske
i Elite-a... U stvari da, biće uskoro. Budi u kontaktu sa Tibijem.
Taman da mi ne šalje prazne diskete.
Pozdrav,
broker
sf.19valhala,
>###### u "Polarisu" pre par godina : serija "Novo sunce", kao i
>###### "Letopisi Tomasa Kovenanta, nevernika", i da iznese svoje
>###### impresije o doticnim.
Obe knjige su mi se svidele, mada je Donaldsonov Konvenant mnogo bolji.
Knjiga je, pa kako da kazem, razlicita od Gospodara Prstenova, sto je
dosta da bude preporuka.
sf.20valhala,
>###### Stereotipno. Knjiga i nije toliko losa za procitati, ali
>###### u meni nije ostavila nikakav pozitivan utisak, nikakav
>###### svetli trenutak... A to nema nikakvog smisla.
Da li si procitao svih sest knjiga? Probaj, mozda promenis misljenje...
sf.21valhala,
>###### Ne znam za knjige, ali znajte da citate kritiku coveka
>###### kome se vise svida "Mac od Sanare" nego "Gospodar
>###### Prstenova" :)
Jes' da preporuka nije bas najsajnija:)))
sf.22dr.grba,
>> p.s. jel me ti to fališ šo smo zemljaci? tnx anynjay.
Ne, mislio sam sasvim ozbiljno. čao mi je što inače ne pratim SF kao
nekad, i tih par priča behu pravo osveženje za mene. Poseban osvrt na
par minijatura. Jednom ću ti, al' uživo, opisati ideju koju ne umem da
stavim na papir. Pa možda ti pokušaš...
sf.23dr.grba,
>> Ako baš voliš Draganove umotvorine, navrati na Oresku, jer tamo
>> ima skoro sve što je napisao. A ima i mnogo toga od drugih
>> autora, sve bolji od boljeg...
Neke stvari sam već poskidao i pročitao.
BTW, ima li novih priča na Oreski u poslednjih mesec dana?
Spremam se da pošaljem disketu drugaru na Novi Zeland...
sf.24dr.grba,
>> Knjiga je, pa kako da kazem, razlicita od Gospodara Prstenova, sto
>> je dosta da bude preporuka.
Veliki usud mnogih dobrih knjiga : poređenje sa Gospodarom Prstenova.
sf.25dcolak,
Imam jedno pitanje..
Jel može na nekom BG BBS-u da se nađe skup SF priča?
Tj. čuo sam da ih ima na nekom BBS-u, ali da on nije u BG-u,
to je valjda Oreška?
Voleo bi da imam zbirku tih priča pa da ih stavim na BBS (a i
utopim se u čitanje)..
So, jel ima neko te SF priče skinute pa da mi ih šaljne (copyright?)
bio bih zahvalan.
Sledge DAMMIR!
sf.26dcolak,
│ BTW, ima li novih priča na Oreski u poslednjih mesec dana?
│ Spremam se da pošaljem disketu drugaru na Novi Zeland...
Please, šalji meni na mail (ili još bolje na BBS)... Ako ima
puuno, možda priču po priču? Thnx.
Sledge DAMMIR!
sf.27broker,
> BTW, ima li novih priča na Oreski u poslednjih mesec dana?
> Spremam se da pošaljem disketu drugaru na Novi Zeland...
Ima. A za slanje na NZ, jesi li pročitao onu malu datotečicu što
se pored svake priče nalazi u ZIP-u. :>
broker
sf.28broker,
>│ BTW, ima li novih priča na Oreski u poslednjih mesec
>│ dana? Spremam se da pošaljem disketu drugaru na Novi
> Zeland...
>
> Please, šalji meni na mail (ili još bolje na BBS)... Ako
> ima puuno, možda priču po priču? Thnx.
Moraćeš, ipak, da zovneš Oresku. Uz svaki tekst se nalazi i
informacija o kopirajtu koja je vrlo jasna. Pošto je DL priča sa
Oreske besplatan, onda bar kopirajt može da se poštuje...zar ne?
broker
sf.29broker,
> Tj. čuo sam da ih ima na nekom BBS-u, ali da on nije u
> BG-u, to je valjda Oreška?
Buaaaah! Nije Oreška nego Oreska.
> So, jel ima neko te SF priče skinute pa da mi ih šaljne
> (copyright?) bio bih zahvalan.
Malo da te ražalostim, sve priče koje potiču sa Oreska BBS-a su
pod kopirajtom, pa nećeš moći da ih staviš na BBS. Samo je jedna
copy free, a to je ORESKA.EXE. To je u stvari roman.
sf.30ndragan,
/ dobijem, pa ako bude jod neki humantirani kontigent između Oreske
/ i Elite-a... U stvari da, biće uskoro. Budi u kontaktu sa Tibijem.
Zip je u pripremljen, ovog vikenda je i poslat, nalazi se kod Tibija na
disku.
sf.31dcolak,
│ Moraćeš, ipak, da zovneš Oresku. Uz svaki tekst se nalazi i
│ informacija o kopirajtu koja je vrlo jasna. Pošto je DL priča sa
│ Oreske besplatan, onda bar kopirajt može da se poštuje...zar ne?
žek ček, kopirajt? A kažeš kopiranje je besplatno? U čemu je štos?
Sledge DAMMIR!
sf.32dcolak,
│ Malo da te ražalostim, sve priče koje potiču sa Oreska BBS-a su
│ pod kopirajtom, pa nećeš moći da ih staviš na BBS. Samo je jedna
│ copy free, a to je ORESKA.EXE. To je u stvari roman.
Kapiram, znači oreSka je ovlašćeni i exkluzivni distributer :))
Sledge DAMMIR!
sf.33darone,
>> žek ček, kopirajt? A kažeš kopiranje je besplatno? U čemu je štos?
Priče mogu da se pokupe, pročitaju i ostave na disketama. Ništa više.
darone
sf.34broker,
>│ Moraćeš, ipak, da zovneš Oresku. Uz svaki tekst se nalazi
>│ i informacija o kopirajtu koja je vrlo jasna. Pošto je DL
>│ priča sa Oreske besplatan, onda bar kopirajt može da se
> poštuje...zar ne?
>
> žek ček, kopirajt? A kažeš kopiranje je besplatno? U čemu
> je štos?
Štos je u tome što kao registrovani korisnik BBS-a možeš da
besplatno DL-uješ datoteku sa pričom, romanom ili nekim drugim
tekstom ali samo da je pročitaš, nikako da kopiraš na bilo koji
način i daješ drugima.
Ja, naravno, ne mogu da proverim da li će neko skinutu datoteku
da razdeli svojim ortacima; tu se uzdam u savest korisnika, ali
zato mogu vrlo lako da saznam ako se takva datoteka nađe na nekom
drugom BBS-u.
broker 38:101/101čsetnet.oreska
sf.35broker,
>│ Malo da te ražalostim, sve priče koje potiču sa Oreska
>│ BBS-a su pod kopirajtom, pa nećeš moći da ih staviš na
>│ BBS. Samo je jedna copy free, a to je ORESKA.EXE. To je u
> stvari roman.
>
> Kapiram, znači oreSka je ovlašćeni i exkluzivni
> distributer :))
Baš tako. Da nije toga, Oreska BBS bi bio jedan u moru istih,
dosadnih BBS-ova.. :)
sf.36broker,
> / dobijem, pa ako bude jod neki humantirani kontigent
> između Oreske / i Elite-a... U stvari da, biće uskoro.
> Budi u kontaktu sa Tibijem.
>
> Zip je u pripremljen, ovog vikenda je i poslat, nalazi se
> kod Tibija na disku.
Već je stigao. Tibi nije mogao da čeka pa mi je to poslao kroz SETNet.
broker
sf.37v.nesic,
Potrebne su mi sledeće knjige da završim sa čitanjem serije o carstvu,
pa ako ih neko ima ili zna biblioteku/knjižaru u kojoj se mogu naći...
- Roboti i Carstvo
- Zvezde,prah nebeski
- Zadužbina i Zemlja
sf.38dejanr,
>> Potrebne su mi sledeće knjige da završim sa čitanjem serije o carstvu,
>> pa ako ih neko ima ili zna biblioteku/knjižaru u kojoj se mogu naći...
Najbolje pozovi "Polaris", 652-304, oni su sve to izdali i mislim da još
imaju na lageru.
Da, od te tri knjige koje pominješ samo je druga iz ciklusa Carstva. I
najbolja je iz tog ciklusa (bar po meni).
Kad pomenuh "Polaris"... izašle su one četiri knjige iz serije Agata,
stigoše mi u ponedeljak... i ostao je natpis "Mrtvačeva glupost", uz
(moj) podnaslov "Prevodiočeva glupost" ;) Ostalo je ok, napisaću malo
opširnije u nekoj prigodnoj temi.
sf.39v.nesic,
> Da, od te tri knjige koje pominješ samo je druga iz ciklusa Carstva. I
> najbolja je iz tog ciklusa (bar po meni).
Važno je da smo se razumeli :)
P.S. Hvala na odgovoru :)))
sf.40dr.grba,
>> Ima. A za slanje na NZ, jesi li pročitao onu malu datotečicu što
>> se pored svake priče nalazi u ZIP-u. :>
Mislim da neću prekršiti copyright time što ću poslati priče drugaru, budući
da on njih ne bi koristio za lični interes, osim ličnog zadovoljstva. On
dovoljno zarađuje radeći svoj posao i na kraj pameti mu ne bi palo da se bavi
extra zaradama od prodaje priča, jer se za takve stvari tamo plaćaju grozni
porezi, a tamo niko nije blesav da reskira zatvor utajom istog.
sf.41dr.grba,
>> Priče mogu da se pokupe, pročitaju i ostave na disketama. Ništa više.
Odlično! Ja ću moju disketu da ostavim u Wellingtonu. (((:
sf.42broker,
> Potrebne su mi sledeće knjige da završim sa čitanjem
> serije o carstvu, pa ako ih neko ima ili zna
> biblioteku/knjižaru u kojoj se mogu naći...
Probaj da zovnes Bobana Kneževića (011 150-615). On ima u glavi
raspored svih mogućih izdanja pa je vrlo verovatno da može da
pronađe i to što tebi treba. Između ostalog, drži i neku knjižaru
u kojoj ima svega i svačega. Vredi pogledati.
broker
sf.43broker,
>>> Ima. A za slanje na NZ, jesi li pročitao onu malu
>>> datotečicu što se pored svake priče nalazi u ZIP-u. :>
>
> Mislim da neću prekršiti copyright time što ću poslati
> priče drugaru, budući da on njih ne bi koristio za lični
> interes, osim ličnog zadovoljstva. On
Hoćeš. Dl priča je besplatan, pa može i on da navrati da to
pokupi, kad god poželi. U poruci o kopirajtu lepo piše da
datoteku možeš da DL i koristiš samo za lične potrebe. Bilo kakvo
umnožavanje nije dozvoljeno.
Kad je besplatno mora da bude rigorozno. :)
Nećeš verovati, ali se korisnici Oreske toga pridržavaju. Time
pokazuju da cene moj trud da te priče nabavim i pripremim u
obliku koji je upotrebljiv za čitanje.
broker
sf.44dejanr,
Danas dobih pisamce od Polarisa, za drugu polovinu godine spremaju dva Asimova
(pisano na "onom svetu"? :), "U susred Zadužbini" i "Pozitronski čovek", dva
Klarka "Otkriveni Rama" (prošli je bio toliko glup, bar meni, da ovaj nešto
nemam namere da kupujem) i "Božji čekić", onda "Ruša kompasa" Ursule Legvin i
"Jurski park" Krejtona. Baš dobro zvuči :)
sf.45corto,
> pronade i to sto tebi treba. Izmedu ostalog, drzi i neku
> knjizaru
sf.46ssokorac,
─┼┤ (pisano na "onom svetu"? :), "U susred Zadužbini" i "Pozitronski
─┼┤ čovek", dva
O čemu se radi, neke zbirke priča, ili je ovo prvo ona knjiga koju nije
završio? (U susret? Stiže invazija iz druge galaksije...:)
sf.47dejanr,
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TITLE: August 93
|DEL| DARING DISCOVERIES & DEVELOPMENTAL DOINGS
|REY| The DEL REY BOOKS Internet Newsletter
Number 7 (August 1993)
WHAT'S NEW IN THE STORES==========================================
(THE FAR KINGDOMS by Allan Cole and Chris Bunch is that rarity, a
September book that won't actually be in the stores before
September. It's a big, epic fantasy without goopiness; it has a
gorgeous cover by Gnemo. Watch for it next month.)
------------------------------------------------------------
THE OATHBOUND WIZARD by Christopher Stasheff. Paperback.
The sequel to Stasheff's fun 1986 fantasy, HER MAJESTY'S WIZARD, in
which Matt Mantrell's college career was cut short when he was
swept away to a medieval world where poetry worked magic. Now Matt
swears to win a kingdom, if that's what it will take to get his
true love, the Queen of Merovence, to marry him. And in this
world, an oath like that is binding. Matt sets off--on a
rollicking adventure peopled with engaging characters and seasoned
with lively philosophy--to tackle Gordogrosso, the despot next
door.
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MUDDLE EARTH by John Brunner. Paperback.
Longtime SF author John Brunner turns his talents to a very tongue-
in-cheek look at a very odd future, in the tradition of Douglas
Adams. In MUDDLE EARTH, Rinpoche Gibbs is resurrected from
cryogenic hibernation to face an odd mix of improbable aliens and
humans on an Earth run as a historic theme park by an alien race
that can't quite grasp what Earth history is all about. Brunner is
the author of such sf classics as STAND ON ZANZIBAR, THE SHEEP LOOK
UP, and more recently, A MAZE OF STARS. MUDDLE EARTH is a wry look
at standard SF conceits and human history.
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THE LOSERS by David Eddings. Paperback.
On one level, this is a near-contemporary novel of handicaps sorely
won and with great difficulty overcome: a gifted young man loses
two lower appendages, one a leg. While recuperating in Spokane,
Washington, he fends off the welfare system and a good friend gone
bad as he falls in (of necessity chaste) love with a disadvantaged
young woman. On another level, THE LOSERS is a reflection in the
"real" world of the elemental struggle between the forces of good
and evil, between an angel and a devil. It certainly is not like
anything else Eddings has done in fantasy.
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DEL REY DISCOVERY:
THE RISING OF THE MOON by Flynn Connolly. Paperback.
Being objective about this book is going to be tough. It's set in
Ireland about a century in the future, when first contact has been
made with aliens but some countries of the world have gone
backward, not forward--misogynistic, repressive Ireland being the
prime example. There women are treated as inferior beings or
property, and only a feeble resistance movement protests the
increasingly harsh restrictions on women's lives. Until Nuala
Dennehy, an expatriate professor, returns from her university post
in more-permissive Scotland and sees what's being done to her
beloved country. Science fiction is filled with books of the "X
was no hero...until" type, in which X turns out to be superskilled,
superbrave, and supersmart. In THE RISING OF THE MOON, the heroine
is smart, determined, and pretty brave--but no superhero. This
book is for readers who were frustrated with THE HANDMAID'S TALE or
liked WOMAN ON THE EDGE OF TIME; it's also for anyone who enjoys a
well-thought-out, realistically grim extrapolation of current
political trends. I loved it for the excellent characterization
and the no-happy-endings plot--two things that are hard to find in
sf these days.
DEL REY DATA======================================================
August books:
THE SHINING ONES by David Eddings (F)
Second book of _The Tamuli_; 345-37322-7
Hardcover, 464 pp; cover art by Keith Parkinson
STORM RUNNER by Tara K. Harper (SF)
Third book in the _Wolfwalker_ series; 345-37162-3
Paperback, 320 pp; cover art by Edwin Herder
THE WIZARD'S SHADOW by Susan Dexter (F)
345-38064-9
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
TIME, LIKE AN EVER-ROLLING STREAM by Judith Moffett (SF)
The sequel to THE RAGGED WORLD; 345-38275-7
Paperback, 336 pp; cover art by Richard Hescox
THE BIRTH OF THE BLADE by Dennis McCarty (F)
Prequel to the _Thlassa Mey_ series; 345-37713-3
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by David Cherry
STAR TREK LOG 7/LOG 8/LOG 9 by Alan Dean Foster (SF)
345-38561-6
Paperback, 544 pp; cover art by David Mattingly
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September books:
THE FAR KINGDOMS by Allan Cole & Chris Bunch (F)
345-38055-X
Hardcover, 416 pp; cover art by Gnemo
THE OATHBOUND WIZARD by Christopher Stasheff (F)
Sequel to HER MAJESTY'S WIZARD; 345-38547-0
Paperback, 416 pp; cover art by Darrell K. Sweet
MUDDLE EARTH by John Brunner (SF)
345-37851-2
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by John Berkey
THE LOSERS by David Eddings (F/mainstream)
345-38520-9
Paperback, 304 pp; cover art by Don Maitz
--> DEL REY DISCOVERY: THE RISING OF THE MOON by Flynn Connolly (SF)
345-38289-7
Paperback, 400 pp; cover art by Bruce Jensen
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October books:
THE STRICKEN FIELD by Dave Duncan (F)
Book Three of _A Handful of Men_; 345-37898-9
Hardcover, 352 pp; cover art by Jim Burns
UPLAND OUTLAWS by Dave Duncan (F)
Book Two of _A Handful of Men_; 345-38477-6
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by Jim Burns
THE GUNS OF THE SOUTH by Harry Turtledove (SF)
345-38468-7
Paperback, 576 pp; cover art by Tom Stimson
THE EARTH SAVER by Catherine Wells (SF)
Sequel to CHILDREN OF THE EARTH; 345-37464-9
Paperback, 416 pp; cover art by Bob Eggleton
MORNINGSTAR by David Gemmell (F)
345-37909-8
Paperback, 304 pp; cover art by Mick Posen
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Special Announcement: FIRST CONTACT, a Del Rey sampler booklet
In August and September, some bookstores (the canny ones) will be
giving away the first-ever Del Rey sampler booklet, FIRST CONTACT.
It's made up of sample chapters from six of our new or upcoming
titles--three fantasy, three sf. So if you read the beginnings of
books in the stores, now you can take six beginnings home with you
instead of standing around in the bookstore aisles obstructing
traffic. If you don't see the samplers in your bookstore (they'll
probably be in a cardboard book display), ask about them--even if
the bookstore didn't order any, maybe they'll get another
chance...and make the right decision next time. Next on our list
of promotions...a page 117 sampler! (Just kidding.)
------------------------------------------------------------
Special Announcement: AT&T, MCI, Sprint...and the DRIN!
The Del Rey Internet Newsletter reaches out and touches somebody.
In our mail on July 20th was a brief note from Sterling Lanier, who
mentioned that a friend had told him of the DRIN's discussion of
his whereabouts and his works. Mr. Lanier says that his health is
good, and that he is three chapters (of a projected twelve) into
the next Hiero novel! He expects completion by Christmas or so of
this year.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: Larry Niven=========================================
Larry Niven is one of the most famous and most enduring writers in
the SF field. It's pretty daunting to think that we've been
publishing his books since a month before I was born! And of the
20 paperbacks listed, all of them except three are still in print
and selling. These days Niven publishes books with a lot of
different publishers, but we like to think his classics are with
us! (We'll be publishing a collection of Beowulf Schaeffer
stories, CRASHLANDER, in April of next year. It includes a new
story, plus a never-before-seen framing story linking it all
together.)
These are only the books Niven published with Del Rey or Ballantine.
Books are listed in chronological order, but with co-authored books
listed separately. All are SF. Books published before 1977 were
first published under the Ballantine imprint (Del Rey didn't
formally exist until early 1977, though Judy-Lynn del Rey had been
editing SF for Ballantine for years). THE SHAPE OF SPACE is the
only Ballantine title that wasn't repackaged as a Del Rey book;
instead, the stories it contained were included in our TALES OF
KNOWN SPACE and CONVERGENT SERIES. LUCIFER'S HAMMER is a Fawcett
Crest book, but I'm listing it since Fawcett and Del Rey are both
parts of Ballantine Books.
WORLD OF PTAAVS (8/66; 345-34508-8)
NEUTRON STAR (4/68; 345-33694-1)
A GIFT FROM EARTH (9/68; 345-29413-0)
THE SHAPE OF SPACE (9/69; 345-01712 Ballantine; no Del Rey reprint)
RINGWORLD (10/70; 345-33392-6)
ALL THE MYRIAD WAYS (6/71; 345-33416-7)
THE FLIGHT OF THE HORSE (9/73; 345-29810-1)
PROTECTOR (9/73; 345-33775-1)
A HOLE IN SPACE (6/74; 345-30051-3)
TALES OF KNOWN SPACE: THE UNIVERSE OF LARRY NIVEN (8/75; 345-33469-8)
THE LONG ARM OF GIL HAMILTON (2/76; 345-30050-5)
A WORLD OUT OF TIME (7/77; 345-33696-8)
CONVERGENT SERIES (3/79; 345-31410-7)
THE RINGWORLD ENGINEERS (3/81; 345-33430-2)
THE INTEGRAL TREES hardcover (3/84; 345-31270-8)
THE INTEGRAL TREES paperback (2/85; 345-32065-4)
LIMITS (2/85; 345-32142-1)
THE SMOKE RING hardcover (5/87; 345-30256-7)
THE SMOKE RING paperback (4/88; 345-30257-5)
With Jerry Pournelle:
LUCIFER'S HAMMER (7/78 Fawcett Crest; 449-20813-3)
FOOTFALL hardcover (3/85; 345-32347-5)
FOOTFALL paperback (5/86; 345-32344-0)
With Steven Barnes:
THE CALIFORNIA VOODOO GAME hardcover (2/92; 345-36598-4)
THE CALIFORNIA VOODOO GAME paperback (2/93; 345-38148-3)
About the Author:
Larry Niven was born in 1938 in Los Angeles, California. In 1956,
he entered the California Institute of Technology, only to flunk
out a year and a half later after discovering a bookstore jammed
with used science-fiction magazines. He graduated with a B.A. in
mathematics (and a minor in psychology) from Washburn University,
Kansas, in 1962, and completed one year of graduate work before
dropping out to write. His first published story, "The Coldest
Place," appeared in the December 1964 issue of _Worlds of If._
He won the Hugo Award for Best Short Story in 1966 for "Neutron
Star," and in 1974 for "The Hole Man." The 1975 Hugo Award for
Best Novelette was given to "The Borderland of Sol." His novel
RINGWORLD won the 1970 Hugo Award for Best Novel, and the 1972
Ditmar, an Australian award for Best International Science Fiction.
IN DEPTH==========================================================
Shelly Shapiro is Del Rey Books's Executive Editor, a job that
entails not only acquiring and editing books but also looking at
the bigger picture: where is Del Rey going, what are our goals,
and how can we be a more successful company and publish the books
we want to publish? She deals with all aspects of Del Rey life,
from editing bestselling authors and making major deals with agents
to checking over advertising copy and designing new logos. Along
the way, she has time to come up with big, ambitious ideas...and
occasionally put them into practice. The Del Rey Discovery program
was kicking around in Shelly's head for at least a year or two
before it finally got off the ground--I remember trying to decide
whether "Debuts" or "Discovery" was a better name for it way back
in 1991. Our first Discovery title came out last July, and we've
got eleven titles out now, with two more to come before the end of
the year. Since people have been asking us about the Discovery
program lately, I thought I'd get Shelly to talk a little about
where the Discovery idea came from, and why she feels it's so
important. Here's what she said:
Fourteen years ago, I was just an ordinary sf reader, a state of
affairs that had begun when I was nine and read A WRINKLE IN TIME.
When I decided that I wanted to be an editor, I little suspected
that I might end up with a career in science fiction--in fact, it
was mere serendipity that got me my first job, at the Science
Fiction Book Club. I once said to a friend, "Wouldn't it be great
to sit around and read science fiction all day?" She looked at me
as if I were crazy. And now I look back on eleven years at Del Rey
with some amazement--I _still_ like to read sf, and I _still_ care
about the field.
Working at the book club exposed me to books from all the different
sf publishers, so there was no doubt in my mind when I came to Del
Rey that I was coming to work for a leader. Judy-Lynn and Lester
del Rey had double-handedly created the popular fantasy market with
Terry Brooks' THE SWORD OF SHANNARA, and Judy-Lynn's carefully
picked science fiction novels (especially a novelization called
STAR WARS) had been making the Del Rey imprint a success.
But now it's eleven years later, and along with us, the competition
has grown. The market has changed a lot. And with so many new
titles out there--and so much of it name-brand--books by new
authors all too easily fall through the cracks. The Del Rey
Discovery idea was born out of my growing frustration that in
today's market, it's hard for readers to find new authors--and thus
hard for publishers to sell new authors. And new authors are our
future. What's more, developing new authors has always been a
specialty of Del Rey. In all the time I've been here, we were the
only publisher to consistently rely on the slushpile to bring new
vigor our list and to the field. Terry Brooks was an unknown when
Del Rey took a chance on him. Stephen Donaldson, David Eddings,
James P. Hogan, Leo Frankowski--their first novels came from Del
Rey. Without authors like them, the entire genre risks stagnation.
And so, a year ago, we launched the Del Rey Discovery program.
Whenever we publish a new author, we let people know: this is not
an author who's just not good enough for you to have heard of; this
is someone _new._
Back when I was reading and buying sf as a kid, there weren't so
many authors with so many books out; you'd see a few Heinleins, a
few Asimovs and Clarkes, and a few Nortons, which meant that new
names automatically stood out. With Del Rey Discovery, I've hoped
to recapture the sense of possibility those new names used to give
me. We don't promise--and we don't want to promise--that every new
Del Rey author is a future number-one bestseller. But every first
novel we publish has something special to offer, whether it's food
for thought, science fact, or just an imaginative joyride through
uncharted territories of the mind. Since every one of our first
novels was bought because at least one editor really liked it and
saw in it potential for growth, I can only assume that other
readers somewhere will also enjoy it--if they can be enticed into
picking it up. Trying something new is always a risk--but we
believe a gamble on a new discovery is a risk worth taking.
--Shelly Shapiro
Q & A=============================================================
Q: How does Del Rey feel about electronic books? To the best of
my knowledge, there are none that are worthwhile on the market
now, but that could well change (soon, I hope). I'm curious
about how book publishers feel about e-books...will you welcome
them with open arms? Will you fight them tooth & claw & nail?
Do you think pirating will be a problem? Will data standards
be a big hassle? Do you think e-books are so far off as to be
no concern at all?
A: Here's the short and speculative answer. I don't know how
publishers in general feel about electronic books; it seems to me
from articles in _Publisher's Weekly_ and elsewhere that nonfiction
and reference publishers are way ahead of fiction publishers on the
electronic front (for good reason). At Del Rey at the moment, not
much is going on in our subsidiary rights department on electronic
rights. However, it does seem to me that the electronic market is
growing fast, and we (and other sf publishers) will have to decide
soon what position we'll take. Should we publish our own books, on
disk or on-line, sell the rights to do so to others, or ignore the
whole market until other companies do the pioneering for us?
Pirating could well be a problem, and one that I don't see a
good solution for. Copy-protections can almost always be broken.
Of course, at the moment people can pirate paper books by
photocopying them, but this usually costs more time or effort than
copying a computer file (if it's not well protected). Data
standards are another problem with the commercialization of e-books
on a large scale; I notice that some current e-products come in a
handful of formats to try to overcome the lack of data standards.
If something as portable, affordable, and popular as the Sony
Walkman comes along, though, one format will probably win out over
the others eventually. (Remember 8-track tapes? Beta videotapes?)
My guess as to what will happen is that smaller publishers and
enterprises will test out the e-book field, as they are doing now
but more so, for the next few years. If and when a hardware/
software standard arises from the fray, the larger publishers and
conglomerates will take notice, launching bigger programs if they
judge the market profitable enough.
Q: Are the sales figures (units, not dollars) for a company's
books a secret? Or are they available to the public? Or are
they secret, except when the company decides to publicize a
certain book's sales?
A: Just like many companies, Del Rey considers our sales figures
proprietary information--not quite secret, but private. Making
that information public could occasionally hurt our authors' future
sales, or perhaps damage our position with agents and authors. And
even when that's not a possibility, we feel that sales figures on
books are, like advances for those books, information that should
be between the publisher, the agent if any, and the author--sort of
like teachers not sharing their students' test scores with anyone
but the parents. Every once in a while, though, for a very
successful book, we will tell a publication like _Publishers
Weekly_ roughly how many thousands of copies are in print, or have
sold over the years. The authors, of course, get their sales
figures on their royalty statements. And of course our sales
representatives use past sales figures to sell current books, so
they're no secret to the bookstores we sell to.
Q: I have a medium sized collection of books I'd like to keep in
as good a condition as possible. Mostly I'm worried about the
problems with the paper decaying as the books get older--what
librarians are starting to call "slow fire." What suggestions
do you have for keeping books from getting brittle, yellowed
pages? Once they are in this condition, what can be done to
keep them from getting worse? I'm interested in everything you
can tell me, from "keep them in a cool, dry place" to elaborate
schemes for washing the acid out of the paper if possible.
A: I actually don't know much about this. However, one of my
authors, who has a lot of old books and comics, says that the only
deacidification method he's heard about is an expensive commercial
process; he just keeps his books in the standard cool, dry place,
is careful when he handles them, and hopes they outlive him.
Putting your books in Mylar bags, as if they were comics, helps
slow their deterioration somewhat. Of course, acid-free paper
greatly prolongs the life of books, but isn't used in most
paperbacks. At Ballantine/Del Rey/Fawcett/Ivy, all hardcovers are
made with acid-free paper, though we use it in very few paperbacks.
Apparently the Library of Congress has information on the
deacidification process, and could probably give additional
pointers on less-extreme methods of book preservation. All I know
is, a lot of my sf books were stored in the basement of my mother's
house in Chicago when the basement flooded, so don't ever ask me
about the nice slipcase ALWAYS COMING HOME came in.
Q: I noticed a while ago that Del Rey issued a book by Mick Farren
called THE LAST STAND OF THE DNA COWBOYS. The book was
obviously meant to be a sequel to some of Farren's earlier
books, but those books have long been out of print, and can't
be found in any used book stores. Although I like Mick Farren,
I never bought THE LAST STAND OF THE DNA COWBOYS because I
wanted to read the earlier ones first. Why didn't Ballantine
buy up the rights for the previous books and reprint them?
A: THE LAST STAND OF THE DNA COWBOYS (9/89) was a stand-alone
sequel to a trilogy published by England's Panther Books: THE
QUEST OF THE DNA COWBOYS (1976), SYNAPTIC MANHUNT (1976), and THE
NEURAL ATROCITY (1977). We didn't buy and reprint the original
trilogy for two reasons: first, since our book was an addition to
a finished trilogy rather than the final volume of a series, it
could be read on its own. Second, we were publishing quite a few
of Mick Farren's original novels, and wanted to concentrate on his
new work instead of filling our schedule with reprints.
Q: Is Paul O. Williams ever going to write an eighth book in _The
Pelbar Cycle,_ to tie up the loose ends left in the last book,
THE SWORD OF FORBEARANCE (10/85)?
A: We have been in touch with Williams lately, but he has no plans
to write another Pelbar book. We'd like him to give it a shot,
though, and so, apparently, would readers. So here's an
interesting idea: anyone who'd like to see an eighth Pelbar book
should write or e-mail us saying so. We'll collect the letters and
forward them to him, and maybe he'll be inspired to write the book.
IMHO: From Slush to Discovery====================================
Right now I'm in the middle of my favorite part of this job--the
part of being an editor that keeps me here, chugging through the
slushpile, generating endless memos, and worsening my eyesight.
I've just finished reading a first novel I want to publish. I
can't tell you the name of it, since I haven't acquired it yet.
But I can tell you its history--and by doing so explain the process
by which some books (and most of mine) make their way from the
slushpile to a spot in the publishing schedule.
In early December, we received a science-fiction manuscript from a
new author. It went into the slushpile, and in mid-December I took
a look at it. It struck me as well written and worth further
attention, so I put it aside to read more of later. But I read
these promising manuscripts in chronological order, and I had five
or six from previous months to look at first.
In late March, I began to read the manuscript again. This time, I
read the whole thing--at my desk, on the subway, at home in bed.
It had some problems, but it was very good (otherwise I wouldn't
have spent my free time on it). So I wrote the Executive Editor a
reader's report. These usually give a brief plot summary, then
list the strengths and weaknesses of the book, and end with my
suggestion for what to do: reject, reject with an offer to read
other books, write a revision letter, or buy. But this report was
slightly different. I knew what this book's weaknesses were, and I
also knew that it was definitely good enough to deserve a revision
letter. Here's part of the report:
You don't have to help me figure out what kind of work this
one needs. I have already written a revision letter (draft
attached). Weaknesses are of the first-novel and too-much-
focus-on-romance varieties; not enough physical description of
the beasties, the setting, and the local technology; and too
much use of italics. But it has potential, and all you gotta
do (at this point) is read 20 pages or so and agree with me.
WHAT A DEAL! WHAT A BARGAIN! ACT NOW AND GET TWO FREE GINSU
KNIVES AND A TRICK TOMATO!
I left the whole thing on the Executive Editor's overcrowded desk.
A week or so later, I got impatient. I told the Executive Editor
that I wanted to just send the letter--she could read the
manuscript when and if the author revised it. (My letter had
invited a revision, but made no promises.) She liked the idea of
work magically disappearing from her desk, so I sent the letter and
sat back to wait.
Two weeks later, the author wrote back. She saw eye-to-eye with me
on what the book needed, and she would revise and resubmit. I sat
back to wait again. And waited. Finally, the revised manuscript
arrived--last week. I started reading on Thursday night. By
Friday I had read a hundred pages; I took almost 300 more away for
the weekend. Sunday afternoon I had devoured them all and was
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sf.48dejanr,
>> > "U susred Zadužbini" i "Pozitronski čovek", dva
>>
>> O čemu se radi, neke zbirke priča, ili je ovo prvo ona knjiga koju nije
>> završio? (U susret? Stiže invazija iz druge galaksije...:)
Što se tiče "Pozitronskog čoveka", pojma nemam - mogla bi da bude i zbirka
priča, ali ipak mislim da nije jer je koautor Silverberg. Mislim da je
roman.
Što se tiče "U susret Zadužbini", mislim da je to poslednji roman koji je
Asimov pisao, i koji do smrti nije završio (ali je bio pri kraju), pa su
verovatno našli nekoga da ga završi prema njegovim beleškama. Negde na
BIX-u pročitah da kada se kaže "nije završio roman", to nije značilo da
nije napisao recimo zadnje tri glave, nego je imao čitav roman u obliku
nacrta ali ga još nije jezički i stilski doradio.
Mislim da je taj roman između ciklusa "Carstvo" i "Preludijuma za Zadužbinu",
čini mi se da mu je tu falio roman. Meni je žao što nije tako kako kažeš,
jer bih baš voleo još jedan Trevize & Pelorat roman. Više nego neku priču
u kojoj, mogu misliti, samo treba pogoditi ko je u stvari Denil Olivo tj.
pod koju se masku sakrio, i ko će se na kraju oženiti robotkinjom ;))
Al' sad šta je, tu je.
Inače, baš čudna stvar, Asimov je pre petnaestak godina napravio plan kako
da spoji sve svoje romane u jedan ciklus, i živeo je tačno toliko da taj
plan 100% (dobro, nije baš 100% jer ovaj zadnji nije završio, ali tu
negde) ispuni tj. da napiše sve romane koje je planirao. Što nije u plan
stavio još 2-3 romana, možda bi tako još bio živ? :)
sf.49ilazarevic,
> Danas dobih pisamce od Polarisa, za drugu polovinu godine spremaju dva
> Asimova (pisano na "onom svetu"? :), "U susred Zadužbini" i "Pozitronski
> čovek", dva
Dobih i ja pismo. Ne očekujem previše od poslednje knjige o Zadužbini -
Asimov je kod pretposlednje knjige pokazao da se troši. Ne znam šta bi se
ovim romanom moglo otkriti, sem možda da se pojasni veza između Carstva i
Zadužbine, tj. vreme između njih. žini mi se da se ovaj roman ne bavi tim
događajima... uostalom, videćemo :) Voleo bih da me Asimov prijatno iznenadi.
sf.50spantic,
> "Jurski park" Krejtona. Baš dobro zvuči :)
Neverovatan si optimista :)
čivković ja izbacio ono što misli da će se prodavati. Ja sa spiskom
nisam oduševljen, ali ko zna, nadam se da grešim. Drugo kolo Polarisa
me je veoma prijatno iznenadilo.
sf.51dejanr,
>> čivković ja izbacio ono što misli da će se prodavati.
Eto, što se mene tiče uspeo je :)) Nisam ništa kupovao kod njega još
od prošle godine (osim one četiri Agate, al' to nije SF), a ovo od
Asimova teško da ću da propustim ;) Možda čak kupim i tog Klarka,
mada je onaj Rama III bio baš nikakav.
sf.52v.nesic,
> Danas dobih pisamce od Polarisa, za drugu polovinu godine spremaju dva
Asimova
Jel' neko zvao da to naruči ?
Ovo pitam jer sam okrenuo telefon koji mi je dejanr dao da se raspitam i
rekoše mi da zovem posle 20-og, pa me zanima ako ipak rade ?
sf.53dejanr,
>> Jel' neko zvao da to naruči ?
>>
>> Ovo pitam jer sam okrenuo telefon koji mi je dejanr dao da se raspitam i
>> rekoše mi da zovem posle 20-og, pa me zanima ako ipak rade ?
U pismu je pisalo da je to jesenje kolo i samo su pobrojali naslove, ali
nisu imali cene i rokove. Dakle, verovatno je tako kao što ti kažu.
Uzgred, ne naručuje se telefonom, nego slanjem para (marke u vrednosnom
pismu - ja se nekako uvek neprijatno osećam kada to radim ;) ali do sada
je uvek stizalo, da kucnem u drvo)
sf.54dr.grba,
>> pronađe i to što tebi treba. Između ostalog, drži i neku knjižaru
>> u kojoj ima svega i svačega. Vredi pogledati.
A jel' ima Knežević u svojoj knjižari knjige koje mi duguje već 2-3 godine?
sf.55dr.grba,
>> Nećeš verovati, ali se korisnici Oreske toga pridržavaju. Time
>> pokazuju da cene moj trud da te priče nabavim i pripremim u
>> obliku koji je upotrebljiv za čitanje.
Apsolutno mi nije padalo na pamet da nipodaštavam tvoj trud, za koji
mislim da je dao nešto originalno i lepo u ova vremena. Na ovom mestu
sam se našao u nebranom grožđu : zbilja bih hteo te priče da pošaljem
čoveku, a ne bih hteo da me uzmeš na zlo. I veruj mi, ne znam kako da
postupim. Disketu još uvek nisam poslao...
sf.56spantic,
> A jel' ima Knežević u svojoj knjižari knjige koje mi
> duguje već 2-3 godine?
Predlažem ti da ga nazoveš. Ako su knjige izašle iz štampe, sigurno će
ti ih poslati. A po upornosti je neverovatan. "Ostrva u mreži" treba da
izađu u septembru.
sf.57dr.grba,
>> verovatno našli nekoga da ga završi prema njegovim beleškama. Negde
...
>> nije napisao recimo zadnje tri glave, nego je imao čitav roman u
>> obliku nacrta ali ga još nije jezički i stilski doradio.
Bojim se da ova priča neće proći. Asimov je bio poznat po nesvakidašnjoj
memoriji, kao i sklonosti da je aktivno upotrebljava: nikada nije pravio
pisane beleške. Ovo je, koliko se sećam, sam izjavio u toku WorldNet
intervjua (BTW, u kome je učestvovao i pool u Beogradu, a pitali su Zoran
čivković i Raša Popov)...
sf.58broker,
>>> pronađe i to što tebi treba. Između ostalog, drži i neku
>>> knjižaru u kojoj ima svega i svačega. Vredi pogledati.
>
> A jel' ima Knežević u svojoj knjižari knjige koje mi
> duguje već 2-3 godine?
Probaj da ga zovneš i pitaš. Nemam uvid u to koje knjige ima, a
koje nema.
broker
sf.59broker,
>>> Nećeš verovati, ali se korisnici Oreske toga
>>> pridržavaju. Time pokazuju da cene moj trud da te priče
>>> nabavim i pripremim u obliku koji je upotrebljiv za
> čitanje.
>
> Apsolutno mi nije padalo na pamet da nipodaštavam tvoj
> trud, za koji mislim da je dao nešto originalno i lepo u
> ova vremena. Na ovom mestu sam se našao u nebranom grožđu
> : zbilja bih hteo te priče da pošaljem čoveku, a ne bih
> hteo da me uzmeš na zlo. I veruj mi, ne znam kako da
> postupim. Disketu još uvek nisam poslao...
Pa ako je za čoveka u Australiji (ako se dobro sećam) zašto ne,
pošalji.
sf.60zolika,
>> pismu - ja se nekako uvek neprijatno osećam kada to radim ;) ali do sada
>> je uvek stizalo, da kucnem u drvo)
A što pare ne odneseš lično, Zčivković nije daleko?
sf.61dejanr,
>> > pismu - ja se nekako uvek neprijatno osećam kada to radim ;) ali do sada
>> > je uvek stizalo, da kucnem u drvo)
>>
>> A što pare ne odneseš lično, Zčivković nije daleko?
Prvo, zato što ne može, u ovom sada pismu lepo kaže da pare treba slati
*isključivo* u vrednosnom pismu. Valjda čoveku dosadilo da mu svaki dan
u neka leva vremena neko dolazi, makar i da bi doneo pare. A možda deo
posetilaca ima običaj i malo da posedi...
Drugo, i mnogo važnije, mrzi me. Lakše odneti na poštu i neprijatno se
osećati ;)
sf.62bile,
Jel neko čitao knigu Kapija(1,2,3) od Frederika Pola?
Pozdrav,
Johnny
sf.63dejanr,
>> Jel neko čitao knigu Kapija(1,2,3) od Frederika Pola?
žitao ja... a šta više i Kapiju 0 i Kapiju 4.
sf.64spantic,
Hajde da pitam. Da li je neko pročitao celu seriju knjiga o "Poznatom
svemiru" od Lari Nivena?
Šta me zapravo zanima? Pa da mi neko kaže šta se dogodilo sa onom celom
planetom ljudskih Pak - zaštitnika na planeti Domu? Po kraju "Zaštitnika"
svi oni krenuše da unište dve Pak invazije pa potom ka jezgru. I ne beše
ih nigde za vreme ratova ljudi i Kzina ( sreća za Kzine svakako ;)
sf.66bile,
=> ih nigde za vreme ratova ljudi i Kzina ( sreća za Kzine svakako ;)
Ja sam pročitao "Prsten" od Lari Nivena.Jel su u ostalim knjigama
isti likovi?Svideo mi se onaj 'Govornik-životinjama' tojest Onaj
Kzin.čao mi je što nije ubio onog Lutkara.Koje još knjige imaju u
ciklusu "poznati svemir"?
Pozdrav,Johnny
sf.67spantic,
> Ja sam pročitao "Prsten" od Lari Nivena.Jel su u ostalim
> knjigama isti likovi?Svideo mi se onaj
> 'Govornik-životinjama' tojest Onaj
Ne, nisu. Oni se javljaju u petom ciklusu priča o poznatom svemiru.
Znači u romanima "Prsten" i "Inženjeri prstena". A pošto je Lari Niven
još 1985. izjavio da nema više priča i romana o poznatom svemiru, to
jest ne od njega, znači mrka kapa.
Mada, zadnja knjiga o poznatom svemiru je zapravo popunjavala period
ratova ljudi i kzina koje je sam Niven preskočio jer kako reče nije
imao ratno iskustvo ( mada se po "Ratnicima" baš ne bi reklo ). Nju
nije pisao Niven, u njemu je prva priča bila njegovi "Ratnici" a dve
novele su napisali Pol Anderson i Din Ing.
To je kanda popularno. I sam Niven je u zbirki priča "Granice" izneo
svoju priču koja pripada svemiru berserkera Freda Saberhagena.
Što se hronologije tiče izneo sam je baš u ovoj poruci. Pretraži je
po spantic i Niven.
sf.68dr.grba,
>> > A jel' ima Knežević u svojoj knjižari knjige koje mi
>> > duguje već 2-3 godine?
>>
>> Probaj da ga zovneš i pitaš. Nemam uvid u to koje knjige ima, a
>> koje nema.
Koji je telefon (i daresa) radnje? Dosadilo mi odavno da se napucavam sa
njegovom mamom na 150-615 (:
sf.69dr.grba,
>> > postupim. Disketu još uvek nisam poslao...
>>
>> Pa ako je za čoveka u Australiji (ako se dobro sećam) zašto ne,
>> pošalji.
Još dalje, na Novom Zelandu...
Hvala na eksplicitnoj dozvoli!
sf.70ilazarevic,
> planetom ljudskih Pak - zaštitnika na planeti Domu? Po kraju "Zaštitnika"
> svi oni krenuše da unište dve Pak invazije pa potom ka jezgru. I ne beše
Ja sam pročitao Zaštitnika, ali ništa više. Nisam ni znao da ima dalje :) Ima
li neko nešto od toga?
sf.71broker,
> Koji je telefon (i daresa) radnje? Dosadilo mi odavno da
> se napucavam sa njegovom mamom na 150-615 (:
Jesi li siguran? Pre će biti da mu je to bila žena. Jao tebi kad
joj kažem.... :))))
Zovi ti na taj 150-615 tu ćeš ga najpre pronaći.
broker
sf.72ilazarevic,
Pitanje u vezi prevoda "Gospodara Prstenova":
Svi znamo ko su bili Jomer i Jovajna. Međutim, njihova imena u originalu se
pišu Eomer i Eowyn. Kako sam malo kopao po dodatku na kraju G.P, našao sam da
je u rohanskom "jeziku" EO diftong i da se izgovara kao u engleskom (dakle,
IO ili JO). Međutim, nije mi jasno kako je Eowyn prevedeno u Jovajna, tj.
kako "-wyn" odgovara "-vajn". Nisam uspeo da nađem neko pravilo koje bi
rešavalo izgovor slova Y u rohanskom.
sf.73spantic,
> Koji je telefon (i daresa) radnje? Dosadilo mi odavno da se napucavam sa
> njegovom mamom na 150-615 (:
Na žalost više je nema. Nije se isplatilo.
sf.74spantic,
> Ja sam pročitao Zaštitnika, ali ništa više. Nisam ni znao da ima dalje :)
> Ima li neko nešto od toga?
Imam ja. "Zaštitnika" na engleskom, "Prsten" i "Inžejere prstena" na
srpskom. Imam i "Zbirku priča iz poznatog svemira" iz 4. perioda kao
i zadnju zbirku "ratovi ljudi i Kzina". Na žalost nemam ostale romane
iz serije: "Svet Ptava", "Dar sa Zemlje".
E da, imam i "Duga RUKA ( ARM ) Gila Hamiltona" kao i "Devojku u
delovima". Takođe i nekoliko drugih knjiga koje ne pripadaju seriji
"Poznati svemir".
sf.75ilazarevic,
> Imam ja. "Zaštitnika" na engleskom, "Prsten" i "Inžejere prstena" na
> srpskom. Imam i "Zbirku priča iz poznatog svemira" iz 4. perioda kao
Od ovoga nisam čitao "Inženjere ..." Može li se to ikako dobiti?
sf.76dr.grba,
>> Na žalost više je nema. Nije se isplatilo.
Doduše, mnoge stvari koje je radio Boban Knežević se nisu isplatile.
čao mi je zbog toga, jer su ideje koje je on pokušavao da sprovede u
život itekako vredne truda. Pomenuću na ovom mestu samo distribuciju
"Perpetuum Mobile" fanzina, za koji je Boban tvrdio "da se ipak isplati",
i da se umorio objašnjavajući to... Ne sumnjam da ću jednog dana u dalekoj
budućnosti i dobiti "Zlatnu knjigu", plaćenu bogtepitakad. Zahvaljujući BBS
Oreski, srećom, više mi nije toliko ni stalo (:
---> "Dete, zgovnaj ovde dva grgolj blastera!"
sf.77corto,
> ---> "Dete, zgovnaj ovde dva grgolj blastera!"
Ovo je Pahek u ovdasnjem najboljem stripu svih vremena, ako se ne varam.
BTW, doticni je ipak povremeno ovde, ali radi napolju.
dJOLE
sf.78spantic,
Igrali ste Wing Commander seriju od Origina? Niste? Šta još čekate!
Izdata je knjiga koja spada u Kilrači-Konfederacijski svemir. Evo
detalja ( ko je ima neka se slobodno javi :)
------------------
WING COMMANDER: FREEDOM FLIGHT by Mercedes Lackey & Ellen Guon
Published by Baen Books
Reviewed by Sir Launcelot du Lake
United they fly, divided they fall
Ralgha nar Hhallas, captain of a war cruiser, noble lord of the
Kilrathi Empire - and a rebel....
Captain K'Kai of Firekka, first of her winged species to leave
her planet for the stars....
Captain Ian St. John, call sign, "Hunter," hotshot human pilot -
he thinks he's just in it for the thrill of the chase....
Rikik, K'Kai's niece, hereditary leader of her clan - all she
wants to do is follow in her notorious relative's footsteps and
fly the stars....
They were as disreputable a gang of misfits as ever flew between
the stars. But together they would free a world.....
- blurb from the book
It had to happen sooner or later, one of the most beloved and hugely
successful games ever to come our way has spinned-off a series of novels;
the only thing left now is a movie. While Freedom Flight, the first book
in a planned series, isn't going to win any Hugos or Nebulas, it is a
fairly exciting and fast moving book that is very easy to digest and
suitable for light reading. Interestingly, one of the authors, Ellen
Guon, is the lead writer at Origin, and she has teamed up with Mercedes
Lackey previously on a few other novels. Lackey is also the co-author of
The Bard's Tale novels, Castle of Deception and Fortress of Frost and
Fire.
The storyline is based on Wing Commander Secret Missions 2: Crusade, and
the first half of the book follows the plot in the mission disk
faithfully, as seen from the eyes of the main protagonists. Everyone
from the TCS Tiger's Claw is featured - Iceman, Spirit, Knight, Maniac,
Colonel Halcyon etc.. Naturally, the hero of the Wing Commander series
does not make an appearance. The major events from the game are also
used, Ralgha's defection, Bossman's death and Angel's subsequent
depression, the missions in the captured Kilrathi fighters, and the
disruption of the Kilrathi ceremony on Firekka. The second half of the
book is a totally new plot, in which the Kilrathi took several Firekkan
leaders as hostages in their retreat and the subsequent, er, hastily
arranged rescue mission which is obviously the theme of the title, though
it only comes in the latter half of the book. The mission is depicted as
Paladin's first in the Bonnie Heather under the Special Operations group.
There isn't much characterization here, and in fact, the blurb is a
little misleading. Rikik isn't one of the main protagonists at all in
the novel; Kirha hrai Ralgha nar Hhallas, Ralgha's first mate (who
subsequently becomes Kirha hrai Hunter nar Aussie through some amusing
circumstances), is actually a key character. There are, however, some
amusing anecdotes of cultural clashes between the Confederation humans,
the Firekkans, and the defecting Kilrathi.
It was fun reading this novel and I would recommend it to all those who
liked the Wing Commander series. It should bring back memories of the
harrowing days in the Secret Missions. It is a stand alone book and the
other novels in the planned series are not strictly sequels. The next
one, Intruder/End Run (it was listed this way in the Origin catalogue),
introduces totally new characters and situations never before seen in the
game.
This review is Copyright (C) 1993 by Sir Launcelot du Lake for Game Bytes
Magazine. All rights reserved.
sf.79dr.grba,
>> Ovo je Pahek u ovdasnjem najboljem stripu svih vremena, ako se ne varam.
Karikirao sam, ali zašto da ne? Pahekov rad volim i cenim.
sf.80broker,
> i da se umorio objašnjavajući to... Ne sumnjam da ću
> jednog dana u dalekoj budućnosti i dobiti "Zlatnu knjigu",
> plaćenu bogtepitakad. Zahvaljujući BBS
U planu je novo izdanje već odavno, ali su pare problem.... :(
broker
sf.81bearboy,
> the only thing left now is a movie. While Freedom Flight, the
E ako doživimo i movie... :) Ja se samo čudim da nema T-shirtova, olovki,
gumica i ostalog đubreta :)))
sf.82spantic,
> E ako doživimo i movie... :) Ja se samo čudim da nema T-shirtova, olovki,
> gumica i ostalog đubreta :)))
Otkud ti takva čudna ideja? ;)
Ja sam naručio iz Jamerike od drugara majicu Origina :)
sf.83bearboy,
>> E ako doživimo i movie... :) Ja se samo čudim da nema
>> T-shirtova, olovki, gumica i ostalog đubreta :)))
>
> Otkud ti takva čudna ideja? ;)
>
> Ja sam naručio iz Jamerike od drugara majicu Origina :)
Eto, šta sam rekao :)))))
sf.84dejanr,
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TITLE: September 93
|DEL| CONSISTENCY IN NAMING IS THE SIGN OF A SMALL MIND
|REY| The DEL REY BOOKS Internet Newsletter
Number 8 (September 1993)
WHAT'S NEW IN THE STORES==========================================
THE FAR KINGDOMS by Allan Cole and Chris Bunch. Hardcover.
Fantasy the old-fashioned way--no punk elves, smart-mouthed
fairies, or saccharine unicorns. Just a young man, a mysterious
amulet, some intriguing rumors about a far-off land beyond
imagination, and a Quest. Norman Spinrad said this about it: "THE
FAR KINGDOMS is that rarity, an intelligent fantasy novel written
by adults for adults." Harry Harrison committed to paper his
opinion that THE FAR KINGDOMS is "sword, sorcery and butchery--
fantasy at its best." And _Science Fiction Chronicle_ and _Locus_
like it, too. We never thought the authors of the military-sf
_Sten_ series would come up with something like this--but they
surprised the hell out of us. And we're glad they did.
------------------------------------------------------------
THE STRICKEN FIELD by Dave Ducan. Hardcover.
This is Part Three of Duncan's _A Handful of Men_ series, and
things look grimmer than ever. Deposed Imperor Emashandar V, the
dwarf warlock Raspnex, and Rap of Krasnegar split up to scout the
land of Pandemia for unensorcelled sorcerers while Zinixo wreaks
havoc on the Impire. Meanwhile, Rap's Queen, Inos, and their twins
continue to be in Big Trouble. Duncan's books are always a lot of
fun, despite the delight he takes in dragging all our favorite
characters through the muck, slime, blood, entrails, etc.
------------------------------------------------------------
THE GUNS OF THE SOUTH by Harry Turtledove. Paperback.
Turtledove's alternate history asks two good questions: who would
have won the Civil War if the South had had better weapons--
specifically, the AK-47? And what would have happened afterwards?
James MacPherson, a Civil War historian, calls THE GUNS OF THE
SOUTH "without question the most fascinating Civil War novel I have
ever read..._must_ reading for every Civil War student." The
Chicago _Sun-Times_ says it's "an expert exercise in speculative
history," and Orson Scott Card calls Turtledove "a damn fine
storyteller" and says he "plays the game of alternate histories
better than anybody else, and THE GUNS OF THE SOUTH is Turtledove
at his best." Lest this description begin to sound like a mere
self-congratulatory quote-fest, I will stop now. But if you like
well-thought-out alternate histories or the Civil War, you'll
probably like this book a lot.
------------------------------------------------------------
THE EARTH SAVER by Catherine Wells. Paperback.
The final volume of a trilogy begun in THE EARTH IS ALL THAT LASTS
and continued in CHILDREN OF THE EARTH, this is science-fiction
adventure with an ecological theme, exploring the responsibility
that new technology brings to its creators. This novel also
reunites the two Native American lovers who were separated by a
freak time warp in the first book. THE EARTH IS ALL THAT LASTS was
a _Locus_ Recommended First Novel for 1991. If you like Native
American themes, light-tech stories, and environmental interest,
you'll like THE EARTH SAVER.
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MORNINGSTAR by David Gemmell. Paperback.
Gemmell is very popular in England for his fantasies, historical
and otherwise. MORNINGSTAR is a Celtic fantasy loosely based on
the Robin Hood legend, in which a heartless, self-centered thief
does inadvertent good by robbing foreign nobles, and for his
trouble gets hailed as a legendary hero--and the new war leader of
his country against some nasty maurading invaders. Oops! Better
stick to local nobles next time.
DEL REY DATA======================================================
September books:
THE FAR KINGDOMS by Allan Cole & Chris Bunch (F)
345-38055-X
Hardcover, 416 pp; cover art by Gnemo
THE OATHBOUND WIZARD by Christopher Stasheff (F)
Sequel to HER MAJESTY'S WIZARD; 345-38547-0
Paperback, 416 pp; cover art by Darrell K. Sweet
MUDDLE EARTH by John Brunner (SF)
345-37851-2
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by John Berkey
THE LOSERS by David Eddings (F/mainstream)
345-38520-9
Paperback, 304 pp; cover art by Don Maitz
--> DEL REY DISCOVERY: THE RISING OF THE MOON by Flynn Connolly
(SF)
345-38289-7
Paperback, 400 pp; cover art by Bruce Jensen
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October books:
THE STRICKEN FIELD by Dave Duncan (F)
Book Three of _A Handful of Men_; 345-37898-9
Hardcover, 352 pp; cover art by Jim Burns
UPLAND OUTLAWS by Dave Duncan (F)
Book Two of _A Handful of Men_; 345-38477-6
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by Jim Burns
THE GUNS OF THE SOUTH by Harry Turtledove (SF)
345-38468-7
Paperback, 576 pp; cover art by Tom Stimson
THE EARTH SAVER by Catherine Wells (SF)
Sequel to CHILDREN OF THE EARTH; 345-37464-9
Paperback, 416 pp; cover art by Bob Eggleton
MORNINGSTAR by David Gemmell (F)
345-37909-8
Paperback, 304 pp; cover art by Mick Posen
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November books:
THE CHRONICLES OF PERN: FIRST FALL by Anne McCaffrey (SF)
A Pern short-story collection; 345-36898-3
Hardcover, 304 pp; cover art by Keith Parkinson
WANDERER by Donald E. McQuinn (SF)
Sequel to WARRIOR; 345-37840-7
Trade paperback, 608 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
JACK THE BODILESS by Julian May (SF)
First book in _The Galactic Milieu_ trilogy; 345-36247-0
Paperback, 480 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
SORCEROUS SEA by Carol Severance (F)
Third book in the _Island Warrior_ series; 345-37446-0
Paperback, 272 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY by Karen Ripley (SF)
First book in the _Slow World_ trilogy; 345-38120-3
Paperback, 240 pp; cover art by Nicholas Jainschigg
CHIMERA by Mary Rosenblum (SF)
345-38528-4
Paperback, 336 pp; cover art by Peter Peebles
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Special Announcement: Last month's IMHO
For anyone who's wondering about the fate of the great slushpile
manuscript I was preparing to make an offer on last month, I bought
it! It will probably be a July Del Rey Discovery--our 16th in the
Discovery program. It's called MISTWALKER, and it's by a new
writer named Denise Lopes Heald. She's written an adventure-
filled, vivid story of frontier life and frontier power struggles
on a harsh jungle planet that hosts lots of strange and dangerous
lifeforms. Bugs--big, hungry bugs. Menacing, unpredictable and
intelligent tree-dwellers. Swift, winged snakelike things.
Aggressive, face-slurping flowers. City-born government
administrators...Watch for a jungly cover with the Discovery banner
next year.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: Jack Chalker========================================
Jack Chalker is practically an institution in and of himself in the
sf/fantasy field. We've been publishing him since the beginning of
his career (in the mid-Seventies), through various series and
stand-alone novels, and have now embarked upon a new Well World
series beginning with last May's ECHOES AT THE WELL OF SOULS. For
straightforward adventure with big ideas and a comforting
consistency of style, Chalker can't be beat.
The books listed are Del Rey titles only, and are listed in
chronological order, marked F or SF, with the series to which they
belong (if any) listed before the publication date. The series
are: _The Saga of the Well World_ (Well World); Volumes 2 and 3 of
this series, EXILES and QUEST, were called Parts I and II of _The
Wars of the Well,_ but that seems to have been a short-lived thing,
and by THE RETURN OF NATHAN BRAZIL, the series title is _The Saga
of the Well World_ and RETURN is called Volume 4. Next are _The
Four Lords of the Diamond_ (Diamond), _The Dancing Gods_ (Dancing
Gods), _The Rings of the Master_ (Rings), and the current _The
Watchers at the Well_ (Watchers).
A JUNGLE OF STARS (SF, 11/76; 345-34190-2)
MIDNIGHT AT THE WELL OF SOULS (SF, Well World, 7/77; 345-32445-5)
THE WEB OF THE CHOZEN (SF, 2/78; 345-339959-2)
DANCERS IN THE AFTERGLOW (SF, 8/78; 345-33502-3)
EXILES AT THE WELL OF SOULS (SF, Well World, 9/78; 345-32437-4)
QUEST FOR THE WELL OF SOULS (SF, Well World, 11/78; 345-32450-1)
AND THE DEVIL WILL DRAG YOU UNDER (F, 8/79; 345-30504-3)
THE RETURN OF NATHAN BRAZIL (SF, Well World, 1/80; 345-34105-8)
TWILIGHT AT THE WELL OF SOULS: THE LEGACY OF NATHAN BRAZIL (SF,
Well World, 10/80; 345-34408-1)
LILITH: A SNAKE IN THE GRASS (SF, Diamond, 10/81; 345-34420-0)
CERBERUS: A WOLF IN THE FOLD (SF, Diamond, 1/82; 345-31122-1)
CHARON: A DRAGON AT THE GATE (SF, Diamond, 11/82; 345-29370-3)
MEDUSA: A TIGER BY THE TAIL (SF, Diamond, 4/83; 345-29372-X)
THE RIVER OF DANCING GODS (F, Dancing Gods, 2/84; 345-34501-0)
DEMONS OF THE DANCING GODS (F, Dancing Gods, 6/84; 345-30893-X)
VENGEANCE OF THE DANCING GODS (F, Dancing Gods, 7/85; 345-31549-9)
LORDS OF THE MIDDLE DARK (SF, Rings, 6/86; 345-32560-5)
PIRATES OF THE THUNDER (SF, Rings, 3/87; 345-32561-3)
MASKS OF THE MARTYRS (SF, Rings, 2/88; 345-34309-3)
DANCE BAND ON THE _TITANIC_ (SF, 7/88; 345-34858-3)
SONGS OF THE DANCING GODS (F, Dancing Gods, 8/90; 345-34799-4)
ECHOES OF THE WELL OF SOULS trade paperback (SF, Watchers, 5/93;
345-36201-2)
About the Author:
Jack L. Chalker was born in Baltimore, Maryland, on December 17,
1944. He began reading at an early age and naturally gravitated to
what are still his twin loves: science fiction and history. While
still in high school, Chalker began writing for the amateur sf
press, and in 1960 launched the Hugo-nominated amateur magazine
_Mirage._ A year later, he founded The Mirage Press, which grew
into a major specialty publishing company for nonfiction and
reference books about sf and fantasy. During this time, he
developed correspondence and friendships with many leading sf and
fantasy authors and editors, many of whom wrote for his magazine
and his press. He is an internationally recognized expert on H. P.
Lovecraft and on the specialty press in sf and fantasy.
After graduating with twin majors in history and English from
Towson State College in 1966, Chalker taught high school history
and geography in the Baltimore city public schools with time out to
serve in the 135th Air Commando Group, Maryland Air National Guard,
during the Vietnam era. He also sound-engineered some of the
period's outdoor rock concerts. He received a graduate degree in
the esoteric field of History of Ideas from Johns Hopkins in 1969.
His first novel, A JUNGLE OF STARS, was published in 1976, and two
years later, with the major popular success of his novel MIDNIGHT
AT THE WELL OF SOULS, he quit teaching to become a full-time
professional novelist. That same year, he married Eva C. Whitley
on a ferryboat in the middle of the Susquehanna river and moved to
rural western Maryland. Their first son, David, was born in 1981.
Chalker is an active conservationist; a traveler who has been
through all fifty states and in dozens of foreign countries; and a
member of numerous local and national organizations ranging from
the Sierra Club to the American Film Institute, the Maryland
Academy of Sciences, and the Washington Science Fiction
Association, to name a few. He retains his interest in consumer
electronics, has his own satellite dish, and frequently reviews
computer hardware and software for national magazines. For five
years, until the magazine's demise, he had a regular column on
science-fantasy publishing in _Fantasy Review,_ and continues to
write a column on computers for _S-100 Journal._ He is a three-
term past treasurer of SFFWA, a noted speaker on sf at numerous
colleges and universities as well as a past lecturer at the
Smithsonian and National Institutes of Health, and a well-known
auctioneer of sf and fantasy art, having sold over five million
dollars' worth to date. He is also a passionate lover of
steamboats and particularly ferry boats, and has ridden over three
hundred ferries in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Chalker has received many writing awards, including the Hamilton-
Brackett Memorial Award for his "Well World" books and the E.E.
Smith Skylark Award for his career writings. He lives with his
wife, Eva, sons, David and Steven, a Pekingese named Mavra Chang,
and Stonewall J. Pussycat, the world's dumbest cat, in the Catoctin
Mountain region of western Maryland, near Camp David.
IN DEPTH==========================================================
Dave Duncan is one of Del Rey's most popular authors. Ever
versatile, he writes both fantasy and sf, but he's better known for
his fantasy, especially his two linked series _A Man of His Word_
and _A Handful of Men._ Duncan has a knack for creating engaging
characters and for leading readers through their adventures with
wry, never-overdone humor. I guess that's two knacks...and make
that three: he also has a knack for using quotations to head (or
end) chapters in his books. Since the use of quotations (real-
world or otherwise) seems to be of interest to a lot of readers and
aspiring writers, the following Thoughts of Dave should prove
edifying, as well as providing an inspiring real-life example of
the "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again" maxim.
(Anyone who'd like a list of Dave Duncan's books, quote-inspired or
otherwise, can find it in the very first issue of the DRIN,
available on the Del Rey file server [delrey@tachyon.com].)
DOGGEREL WAGS TALE
In the summer of 1986, I had sold two novels, although neither was
yet published. My trilogy _The Seventh Sword_ was still leaping in
and out of transoms, unloved. For no good reason, I decided to
write a fantasy love story. I knew nothing about love stories
except that they should be romantic. I also knew that someone
(Kipling?) had proclaimed the most romantic lines in all English
poetry to be Keats's couplet:
Magic casements opening on the foam,
Of perilous seas, in faerie lands forlorn.
Armed with this vital expertise, I typed, "Chapter One, Perilous
Seas," and appended the quotation to set the mood. All I had to do
then was write the book.
I soon realized that I had fallen into my usual trap of inserting
too much plot. I had invented a new form of magic, a political
structure to control it, a world of many races, a complex compound
villain, and a hero and heroine I really liked. One volume would
not resolve all that.
Eureka! The Keats couplet would give me three wonderful titles for
a trilogy. I removed the quote from the head of Chapter One and
put it at the front of the book. Without realizing what I was
letting myself in for, I then found another quotation to epitomize
Chapter One. And then another for Chapter Two...
The first book (MAGIC CASEMENT, of course) went well, but I bogged
down in the second. I put the work aside, rewrote _The Seventh
Sword,_ and this time sold it. The following year I took another
run at my love story, and again became stuck at Book Two. This
time I went off and wrote SF.
When I made a third try, in 1988, I saw that I needed four books,
not three. Earlier in the same Keats verse, I discovered a fourth
title, EMPEROR AND CLOWN, and that resolved my plot problems. Then
the work went well. As _A Man of His Word,_ the tetralogy was
published by Del Rey between December 1990 and January 1992.
Even then, though, I had not exhausted all my themes. I found some
loose threads and unexplored alleys, and determined to try a sequel
series, which became a second tetralogy, _A Handful of Men._ The
plot line here was largely inspired by four great titles I found in
a verse by John Masefield. The first three books, THE CUTTING
EDGE, UPLAND OUTLAWS, and THE STRICKEN FIELD, are all out; the
final book, THE LIVING GOD, is scheduled for April of next year.
So the total comes to eight books, a million words, more than five
years of my life, and ninety-three chapters.
But because I had established the pattern, ninety-three chapters
meant ninety-three quotes! If I am not the world's expert on pithy
quotations, then it is not for lack of experience.
My wife learned to recognize danger whenever she heard me growling
in a corner of the living room, half-buried in books of poetry--
anthologies, mostly, but a few collections, and of course
dictionaries of quotations. Sometimes I found what I needed right
away, sometimes I seemed to spend days on the search. My library
of poetry grew larger every time I wandered near a secondhand
bookstore.
In every case I tried to find a few cogent lines that would
summarize the action and tie the narrative lines together, but yet
say nothing more than I wanted to say. Once or twice I failed and
had to accept second-best. Often I found a jewel whose aptness
astonished me, and sometimes I even used the quote to make a little
tongue-in-cheek comment as well. [An example? Well, at the end of
EMPEROR AND CLOWN, after I have tormented the hero and heroine
through some 1300 pages of heartache and strife and suffering and
not a single kiss, I finally let them fall on to a bed together,
and with insufferable impudence proceed to cite Shakespeare: "Let
me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment..."]
Frustrating though the search could be, it all seemed like a
harmless little game that I could play and the reader might choose
to ignore. Yet I discovered another benefit in the quotations--an
unexpected, Procrustean feedback. The object of poetry is to
furnish insight, after all, and just as poetry had led me to my
titles and thus helped me work out the overall plot line, so
sometimes a verse would jump out of a book and tell me what ought
to happen next.
I have been accused of patronizing very old-fashioned poets, but
the Romantics suited the story more than modern verse would have
done. Furthermore (and this was important!) the old masters are
_free._ Modern writers expect to be paid for the use of their
work--rightly so, but I could not afford to hire the living very
often.
Standard publishers' contracts require the author to obtain (and
pay for) permission to quote any copyright material. The original
author may charge anything he likes, and a separate permission is
required for every edition--hardcover, paperback, Swahili,
Nepalese... Tracking down the owner of the rights can be a chore.
In one instance two separate publishers gave me permission to use
the same quote, and obviously only one of them can be entitled to
give it!
I was fortunate that Del Rey agreed to handle the paperwork for the
first series. The second time they told me I was a big boy now and
could do it myself.
Despite my subsequent experience, this is not an essay on copyright
law. If you ever have to research that awful subject, find the
most recent handbook you can, because the law, especially US law,
is changing all the time.
The quotes were fun. They were a lot of work. I think they helped
me write a better story--and that is all that ever matters.
--Dave Duncan
Reprinted from _Communique,_ Newsletter of SF Canada, Vol.4, #5
Q & A=============================================================
Q: I suppose I am not the only foreign subscriber to your
newsletter and I am interested in how a publisher puts
manuscripts up for sale in foreign countries and how it handles
sales for translations. Could you shed some light on this?
A: When we own the foreign rights to a book, our subsidiary rights
department sends out manuscripts, descriptions, and sometimes cover
proofs to foreign publishers we think might be interested in
acquiring the book, for publication in English or in translation.
Any interested publishers make us offers, and the subsidiary rights
department makes the best deal possible. The author's percentage
of the payment is used to help pay back the advance, or forwarded
to the author if the advance has been earned out already by US
sales. Sometimes foreign publishers approach us before we solicit
them, especially smaller publishers from Eastern Europe. When
we've acquired a book from an agent, the agent usually retains
foreign and translation rights, and goes through the same process
on behalf of the author.
Q: What's the deal with "Not available in Canada"? I suppose that
basically means a British publisher's Canadian affiliate won
the paperback reprint rights, right?
A: When a Del Rey book is not available in Canada, it's usually
because the Canadian rights to the book were sold before we bought
US rights--which sometimes happens when we buy books from England.
Or an agent or foreign publisher is reserving the Canadian rights,
hoping for a separate Canadian sale. Sometimes we acquire non-
exclusive Canadian rights to a book, which means both we and
another publisher have the right to sell our book in Canada. In
general, US rights and Canadian rights go together as a package in
most book deals. And almost all of Del Rey's books are available
in Canada, since we don't acquire many foreign reprints.
Q: Does Del Rey Books receive many manuscripts from countries
outside North America? If so, do you treat them any
differently in terms of the editing process or the kind of deal
you offer to the author? Basically, I am wondering if the
distance between you and the author makes the whole process
harder or even impossible.
A: We do get a lot of unsolicited manuscripts from Canada,
Australia, England, and other primarily English-speaking countries.
Not as many as from the US, of course, but enough so that they
aren't anything out of the ordinary. We treat foreign unsolicited
manuscripts just as we do US manuscripts, and would make the same
offer if we wanted to acquire a foreign manuscript as we would for
a US manuscript. Also, a lot of our established authors live in
foreign countries (Canada, Ireland, and England), which makes
communication between us and them a little slower than it would be
otherwise. International on-line services like CompuServe help us
in that regard, letting us communicate with some authors who live
abroad much more speedily than by mail and more cheaply than via
the telephone. Fax machines help, too. When something has to go
by mail, we just allow extra time, but it is an inconvenience.
However, none of the inconvenience or expense of communicating with
an author who lived far away would stop us from acquiring a book we
wanted to publish.
Q: Christopher Rowley--is there a GOLDEN SUNLANDS sequel in the
works?
A: Rowley has no plans to write a sequel to GOLDEN SUNLANDS (7/87)
right now; he has a lot of other book ideas at the moment. He had
planned to write a sequel at one point, and we even gave him a
contract for it, but he decided to write TO A HIGHLAND NATION
(5/93), a book in the Fenrille series, instead.
Q: When is DIAMOND MASK coming out?
A: DIAMOND MASK, the second book in Julian May's _Galactic Milieu_
trilogy, will be published in hardcover by Knopf in May of 1994.
It will come out in paperback from Del Rey around June of 1995.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, JACK THE BODILESS is still a November
'93 Del Rey paperback.
Q: I heard from someone that DIAMOND MASK might be out in the
UK before it appeared in the US. Do you have any info on
British publication dates? (And if it is coming out in the US
first, how do I get a copy over here in the UK?)
A: DIAMOND MASK will be published in hardcover in the UK by
HarperCollins, and in paperback by Pan. A publication date has not
yet been set, but it will definitely not be before DIAMOND MASK is
published in the US by Knopf (that was part of the deal). To get
copies of Random House books from overseas (Random House being the
parent company of both Del Rey and Knopf), send me e-mail and I'll
send you instructions on ordering from our warehouse.
IMHO: Conventions================================================
This issue of the DRIN is early because I'm going to WorldCon, and
will be dutifully studying up for my panels and sewing seed pearls
onto my evening gown for those scintillating parties in San
Francisco when I should be back here at my desk doing the serious
work of disseminating the newsletter. (Not!) While rushing around
in a frenzy this week--getting ready for WorldCon and the Del Rey
events planned to go along with it, preparing for our sales
conference, and working on the DRIN--I've been wondering why we
editors go to conventions. What do we get out of conventions, and
what do we hope to accomplish there? I've been asking myself. And
I've answered myself back thusly: Ask me later, I don't have time
to think about it right now. So if the thoughts below are a little
scattered, blame it (suitably) on WorldCon.
Del Rey has not made a huge presence for itself at conventions over
the years, but lately we've begun attending more of them. It's
interesting, if a little overwhelming, to submerge ourselves in the
sf subculture so thoroughly for two or three days; but we return to
work on Monday pretty wiped out, and I often wonder what we've
accomplished over the weekend.
Because for me, at least, going to conventions is mainly work, not
play. To editors, conventions are not only social events, but
promotional opportunities. Though we do go to the dealers' room,
hang out in the bar, socialize with editors from other companies,
and raid the hotel room's mini-fridge if there is one, we're mostly
there as official representatives of Del Rey. There are five
specific goals we have in mind:
1. Participate in the panels and other convention activities.
This helps out the convention, because professionals in the field
attract fans. Authors and artists are the big draw, of course, but
editors help, too--and we often have interesting things to say
about the business of publishing. And participating in panels also
helps us to...
2. Promote our books. One of the major frustrations of being an
editor is those occasions when you've spent your energy and time
(and your company's money) finding a great book and publishing it,
only to see it not perform as well as you'd like. (And sometimes
that's putting it mildly.) Conventions give us a chance to
introduce readers to books we're excited about, tell them about new
projects and programs, and get across the idea that our books are
generally pretty darn good.
3. Hear from readers. A lot of people read our books, but we
don't hear from many of them through the mail or on the phone.
Electronic networks have given us one way to communicate with
readers directly; conventions are another. During and after panel
discussions, people ask questions or come up to talk to us about
our books. It's sometimes hard to concentrate while standing in a
room full of people leaving and arriving, shuffling papers, sitting
down, talking, and looking for cups of water, but I like being able
to talk to people one on one.
4. Make contact with our authors. This is the fun part. We get
to take our authors out to meals, hang around with them between
panels, and talk about things other than their current books. I've
found that it's easier to work on a book with an author when you
know him or her fairly well--and most of our authors are also fun
people to be around.
5. Look for artists. We prowl around the art shows, looking for
artists we might want to use on future covers. When we find them,
we ask them to send in their portfolios. I've found a handful of
our current artists this way in the last year or two, and it's
really satisfying.
Other things we do at conventions aren't so important, but I enjoy
them. I like to meet our artists in person--sf and fantasy
illustrators are, I've found, a really interesting and friendly
bunch of people. I like to talk with other editors in the field to
see what they're up to. And it's also fun to drag my authors to
the dealers' room, where we hunt down copies of their books so they
can sign them for the booksellers. Eating, sleeping, exercising--I
try to do those, too. Eating is no problem; sleeping is a
necessity; and exercising goes by the wayside until Monday.
So we work pretty hard at conventions, though we have fun, too.
And starting now, with WorldCon, we'll be working even harder, both
behind the scenes and in front of them, to get people interested in
our books and our authors. Oh, well--there goes sleeping...
Ellen Key Harris
Editor
Del Rey Books
ekh@panix.com
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sf.85spantic,
Dobri, stari Zoran čivković nas neprekidno obasipa novim SF knjigama.
Nadam se da ima još kupaca pored mene :)
žetvrta knjiga iz njegovog drugog ( čuj DRUGOG! ) ciklusa od 6 knjiga
( inače je planirao tri ( čuj TRI! ) ciklusa za ovu godinu ) je knjiga:
SRCE KOMETE, od Gregori Benforda i Dejvida Brina iz 1986.
Šta reći o knjizi? Ko je čitao S ONE STRANE SPUŠTANJA NOĆI od
tandema Klark/Benford možda i znaju šta ih čeka: neverovatan eko
sistem u samoj kometi. I šta se dešava kada počne ukrštanje dva
ekosistema.
Moje pune preporuke knjizi, ako ništa drugo, zanimljiva je.
Usput, Zč je izbacio i seriju od tri knjige NUOMI od Terija Pračeta.
Još je nisam kupio pa ne znam za utiske. Ali poznavajući Pračeta :)
sf.86snemcev,
>> ==========
>> sf/del.rey #9, from gbattis, 28841 chars, Thu Sep 2 00:21:29 1993
>> ----------
>> TITLE: September 93
>> |DEL| CONSISTENCY IN NAMING IS THE SIGN OF A SMALL MIND
>> |REY| The DEL REY BOOKS Internet Newsletter
Jeli, dejrane, da li postoji mogućnost da ti lupim ignore, ali samo u
ovoj temi, jer svako malo pošalješ poruku sa 30K texta? :((
sf.87dr.grba,
>> THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY by Karen Ripley (SF)
>> First book in the _Slow World_ trilogy; 345-38120-3
>> Paperback, 240 pp; cover art by Nicholas Jainschigg
Da ga đavo nosi, ovo me asocira na nešto mnogo dobro. Pomoć?
P.S. Da li je teško ovo preusmeriti u pad, a ne u poruku?
sf.88dr.grba,
>> Usput, Zč je izbacio i seriju od tri knjige NUOMI od Terija
>> Pračeta. Još je nisam kupio pa ne znam za utiske. Ali poznavajući
>> Pračeta :)
KAKO???????
DETALJE, MOLIM!
sf.89dejanr,
>> jer svako malo pošalješ poruku sa 30K texta? :((
Jednom mesečno. Da se to "donese ovde", troše se pare i vreme. Mislim
da onaj koga interesuje SF može toliko da download-uje da bi bio u
toku sa onim što se u svetu dešava na ovom polju.
sf.90spantic,
> Jednom mesečno. Da se to "donese ovde", troše se pare i vreme. Mislim
> da onaj koga interesuje SF može toliko da download-uje da bi bio u
> toku sa onim što se u svetu dešava na ovom polju.
Slažem se i ja sam zahvalan. Kamo sreće da je više :)
sf.91spantic,
> DETALJE, MOLIM!
Pa ne znam šta tu još treba od detalja :)
POLARIS je izdao kao nezavisno izdanje ( ai! pa to je van sva TRI kola! )
trilogiju NUOMI: Kamionci, Buldožerci i Krilci od Terija Pračeta. Stvar je
baš SF i odvija se na zemlji, ali očekujte smehotres :)
Ne znam samo štp Pračeta Zč predstavlja kao američki odgovor Adamsu kad
je Pračet Englez :))
Cena trilogije je 20 DEM. U Beogradu mislim još nije u prodaji po knjižarama.
Ima li da je neko kupio trilogiju?
Usput, kada Zč izbaci sve knjige to će značiti 21 knjiga SF-a u 1993. ako
još nešto ne ubaci!
sf.92bigbrada,
>>> Pračeta. Još je nisam kupio pa ne znam za utiske. Ali
>>> poznavajući Pračeta :)
>
> KAKO???????
>
> DETALJE, MOLIM!
I to odmah :)
Brada.
sf.93valhala,
Mada ne spada u ovu conf...
Imam par pitanja o Wing-u: Koliko zauzima igra, gde se moze
naci i koja lova? E, da, pod kakvom konfiguracijom radi mi-
nimum?
Val.
sf.94dr.grba,
>> Usput, kada Zč izbaci sve knjige to će značiti 21 knjiga SF-a u
>> 1993. ako još nešto ne ubaci!
Budući da odavno nisam u ažurnom toku stvari, zanima me da li je čivković
uspeo da lansira sva najavljena izdanja. Može li ko par reči o situaciji
u kataloškoj i knjižarskoj prodaji? Znam samo da sam do pre dve godine
bio u situaciji da kupujem sve redom, a danas prebiram i za "Računare" ))):
sf.95spantic,
> Budući da odavno nisam u ažurnom toku stvari, zanima me da li je čivković
> uspeo da lansira sva najavljena izdanja. Može li ko par reči o situaciji
Za sada jeste. Videćemo za kasnije. Knjige se mahom prodaju poštom
ili lično kod Zča, mada se vide i u knjižari Bata. Zč traži i dobija
DEM, a cene su mu od 9 do 15 DEM, zavisno od knjige. KOmplet Terija
Pračeta od 3 knjige je bio ( i još uvek je ) 20 DEM. Šta te još
zanima?
sf.96a.kircanski,
Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
(pravljenje zadužbine, raspad itd.)
cy, sale.
sf.97ljubisha,
>Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
Odavno. I još mi je krivo što nisam kupio komplet kad sam imao
priliku.
sf.98dejanr,
>> Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
Jel ima neko da nije? :)) Ja sam čitao.
sf.99ssokorac,
─┼┤ Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
žini mi se da su to ovde skoro svi čitali :).
sf.100dvidovic,
> DEM, a cene su mu od 9 do 15 DEM, zavisno od knjige.
> KOmplet Terija Pračeta od 3 knjige je bio ( i još uvek je
> ) 20 DEM. Šta te još zanima?
A jel' mogu ja? Znas li sta je Pracet jos napisao? Urlikao
sam od smeha citajuci 'Noume'.
sf.101dr.grba,
>> Pračeta od 3 knjige je bio ( i još uvek je ) 20 DEM. Šta te još
>> zanima?
Tih 20 DEM (;
sf.102dr.grba,
>> Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o
>> Zadužbini.
Stare tri. (Jedino sam se još upecao na "Preludijum", nažalost).
SF klasika. Ne treba trošiti reči, nego pročitati.
sf.103dcolak,
│ ─┼┤ Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
│
│ žini mi se da su to ovde skoro svi čitali :).
Sem mene čini se :(
Jel ima neka dobra duša koja bi mi pozajmila sad u subotu u klubu
te tri knjige? Vraćam čim pročitam O;)
Sledge DAMMIR!
sf.104a.kircanski,
_-=> SF klasika. Ne treba trošiti reči, nego pročitati.
Pa ne kačem ja da nisam čitao. tj. čitao sam samo 1. u 3. knjigu,
a zanimame kako se zove druga knjiga.
sale.
sf.105snemcev,
>> ─┼┤ Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
>>
>> žini mi se da su to ovde skoro svi čitali :).
Mislim da je nekad ovde bio i spisak cele Zadužbine, pa ako ga neko još
uvek ima... bilo bi lepo da ga podeli sa nama.
sf.106dejanr,
>> Mislim da je nekad ovde bio i spisak cele Zadužbine, pa ako ga neko još
>> uvek ima... bilo bi lepo da ga podeli sa nama.
žitav ciklus Asimova:
1. Sabrani roboti
2. želične pećine
3. Golo sunce
4. Roboti zore
5. Roboti i carstvo
6. Zvezdane struje
7. Zvezde, prah nebeski
8. Šljunak (ili kamičak?) na nebu
9. Preludijum za Zadužbinu
10. U susret Zadužbini
11. Zadužbina
12. Zadužbina i Carstvo
13. Druga Zadužbina
14. Rub Zadužbine
15. Zadužbina i Zemlja
Naravno, napisao je i knjiga van ovog ciklusa (npr. Nemezis, Kraj vremena itd)
ali ove su povezane, manje ili više uspešno. Sve su objavljene kod nas u
izdanju Polarisa (nešto je pre objavljivala i Prosveta) osim broja 10, a i
on bi trebao da bude objavljen do kraja godine, već je raspisana i pretplata.
Mislim da je knjiga 15 dem.
sf.107ilazarevic,
> Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
A ko nije? :) Ja sam čitao. Imaš neke utiske, ili pitaš tek tako?
sf.108spantic,
> A jel' mogu ja? Znas li sta je Pracet jos napisao? Urlikao
> sam od smeha citajuci 'Noume'.
Bilo je o tome reči. Njegova najpoznatija dela su knjige iz serije
o Ravnozemlju ( Discworld ) i predstavljaju paradiju ali fantazi.
Poznate su knjige: "Piramide", "Sourcerer" ( ne znam baš, ali
adekvatni prevod bi bio "Izvornik magije" ), "Smrt" etc.
sf.109ilazarevic,
> a zanimame kako se zove druga knjiga.
Zadužbina i Carstvo.
sf.110spantic,
> Naravno, napisao je i knjiga van ovog ciklusa (npr. Nemezis, Kraj vremena
Nemezis je deo ciklusa. Verovatno posle "Ja, robot".
sf.111dejanr,
>> > Naravno, napisao je i knjiga van ovog ciklusa (npr. Nemezis, Kraj
>> > vremena
>>
>> Nemezis je deo ciklusa. Verovatno posle "Ja, robot".
Iz autorovog (ili se kaže autorevog? :) predgovora "Nemezis":
>> Ova knjiga ne pripada seriji Zadužbina, niti pak serijama Roboti ili
>> Carstvo, već stoji nezavisno. Samo sam želeo da vam na to skrenem
>> pažnju kako bi se izbegli nesporazumi. Naravno, jednog dana možda ću
>> napisati roman koji će ovu priču povezati sa drugima, ali to se možda
>> i neće desiti.
PS Nije se desilo.
sf.112bigbrada,
> Naravno, napisao je i knjiga van ovog ciklusa (npr. Nemezis,
> Kraj vremena itd)
žisto informativno, Asimov je napisao 43 dela.
Brada.
sf.113dejanr,
>> žisto informativno, Asimov je napisao 43 dela.
Možda toliko SF dela, a inače napisao je više stotina knjiga, mnogo
njih se bavi popularizacijom nauke itd. Neko je izračunao da je, ako
se dobro sećam, pisao 4 strane dnevno, čitavog života.
sf.114wizard,
> 1. Sabrani roboti
> 2. želične pećine
>
> (...)
>
> 14. Rub Zadužbine
> 15. Zadužbina i Zemlja
Ima li neko sve ovo i raspoložen je da mi pozajmi na čitanje (redom :)?
Uredno vraćam, ne mastim knjige i ne isecam slike iz knjiga. :))))
žitam SF oduvek, volim ga, ali ni jedan Asimovljev roman nisam pročitao.
Unapred hvala.
sf.115dr.grba,
>> žisto informativno, Asimov je napisao 43 dela.
žisto informativno, ukupni opus Isaka Asimova iznosi oko 400 naslova,
od toga je 90-100 SF.
sf.116ssokorac,
─┼┤ njih se bavi popularizacijom nauke itd. Neko je izračunao da je, ako
─┼┤ se dobro sećam, pisao 4 strane dnevno, čitavog života.
Nemoguće, pa 4 strane svaki dan je ipak previše?! Ako izuzmemo pauze dok
još nije znao da piše+dani kada ništa nije pisao ostatak bi bio bar duplo
više, a plus sredjivanje svega napisanog itd.... žak ni Asimov ne bi mogao
toliko :), bar mislim :).
sf.117dejanr,
Znam da zvuči neverovatno, ali tako je nekako. Naravno, nije nemoguće
da nije sam to sve napisao, nego on da osnovni nacrt a posle (za pare)
piše par mlađih, neafirmisanih pisaca, što ne bi bilo posebno novo (tako
je, recimo, radio Aleksandar Dima Otac). Ali, kada se sabere šta je objavio
i podeli sa godinama života, dobije se približno tolika cifra.
sf.118peca.st,
!-> Ima li neko sve ovo i raspoložen je da mi
!-> pozajmi na čitanje (redom :)?
Ja imam samo želične pećine.
Peđa.
sf.119danica,
> Sem mene cini se :(
> Jel ima neka dobra dusa koja bi mi pozajmila sad u subotu u
> klubu te tri knjige? Vracam cim procitam O;)
Evo prijavljujem se dobrovoljno! Ne dolazim ove nedelje u klub ali ti mogu
doneti iduce.
P.S. Sve pod uslovom da ti ne smeta sto imam ruznu naviku da citam i jedem
u isto vreme. :)
sf.120danica,
> njih se bavi popularizacijom nauke itd. Neko je izracunao da
> je, ako se dobro secam, pisao 4 strane dnevno, citavog zivota.
Tacno 8 dnevno, svakog dana. :)
sf.121vitez.koja,
#=> Jel ima neka dobra duša koja bi mi pozajmila sad u
#=> subotu u klubu te tri knjige? Vraćam čim pročitam O;)
Srećom nisu samo tri, naprotiv, od ostalih knjiga svaka je po obimu približno
kao prve tri zajedno.
sf.122vitez.koja,
#=> se dobro sećam, pisao 4 strane dnevno, čitavog života.
Pet strana dnevno... Predgovor jedne zbirke SF priča.
sf.123ilazarevic,
> da nije sam to sve napisao, nego on da osnovni nacrt a posle (za pare)
> piše par mlađih, neafirmisanih pisaca, što ne bi bilo posebno novo (tako
Tako je on i radio seriju "Robot City", koja se prodavala pod njegovim
imenom, dok je u predgovoru pisalo da je on samo ispravljao i usmeravao.
sf.124bigbrada,
> Možda toliko SF dela, a inače napisao je više stotina knjiga,
> mnogo njih se bavi popularizacijom nauke itd. Neko je izračunao
> da je, ako
Naravno, mislio sam na SF dela :)
Brada.
sf.125bigbrada,
> od toga je 90-100 SF.
Mogu da ti nAvedem 43 SF dela, a ti mi daj ostalih 47 - 57...
Brada.
sf.126marshall,
*> ─┼┤ Hi, jel čitao neko onaj komplet knjiga od Isaka Asimova o Zadužbini.
*>
*> žini mi se da su to ovde skoro svi čitali :).
Jel zna neko da li i gde doticna knjiga(e) moze da se kupi ?
sf.127dr.grba,
>> Srećom nisu samo tri, naprotiv, od ostalih knjiga svaka je po obimu
>> približno kao prve tri zajedno.
"Preludijum za zadužbinu" je gabaritniji od tri stare, ali nosi mnoooogo
manje informacija nego one. Istegli ga čiča, razvalio i naše i njihove.
Pitanje za one koje su čitali ostale iz ciklusa Zadužbine: kakve su po
konciznosti?
Pričajući o Asimovu,sad mi pade na pamet, trebalo bi svi mi da se setimo
koliki je njegov uticaj bio četrdesetih godina, kada je SF prešao onu
nedefinisanu granicu od paraliterature ka književnoj formi. I trebalo
bi u njegovom opusu svakako obratiti pažnju na enormni gabarit priča
objavljenih u "Amazing stories" i drugim časopisima.
Da li ste čitali divnu priču Asimova, "Dvestogodišnjak"?
sf.128dr.grba,
>> Tako je on i radio seriju "Robot City", koja se prodavala pod
>> njegovim imenom, dok je u predgovoru pisalo da je on samo
>> ispravljao i usmeravao.
STOP! Dobro je poznato da je on bio samo urednik - korepetitor ove
serije. Bilo je to veoma moderno u Americi. Setite se one TV serije
"Alfred Hičkok vam predstavlja...". Hičkok nije bio ništa do naratora
i "cenzora" ove serije. Ali gladnom tržištu je bilo dovoljno što to
majstor preporučuje. I u tome je cela kvaka.
sf.129dr.grba,
>> Mogu da ti nAvedem 43 SF dela, a ti mi daj ostalih 47 - 57...
Pokušaću da iščačkam po svojim knjigama. žim dođem do referenci,
obećavam ih ovde. Shodno haosu u kom sam u poslednje vreme, to će
malo da potraje...
sf.130dejanr,
>> Da li ste čitali divnu priču Asimova, "Dvestogodišnjak"?
Jakako :) A ako želiš da čitaš tu priču proširenu na roman, kupi
"Pozitronski čovek" od Asimova i Silverberga, upravo treba da izađe
i kod nas. Da vidimo da'l je Silverberg uspeo da pokvari i ovu priču :))
sf.131ssokorac,
─┼┤ Da li ste čitali divnu priču Asimova, "Dvestogodišnjak"?
Naravno, stvarno jedna od najlepših priča, pročitao sam je desetka puta
na oba jezika :).
sf.132ilazarevic,
> Pitanje za one koje su čitali ostale iz ciklusa Zadužbine: kakve su po
> konciznosti?
Kratko i jasno :)
sf.133ilazarevic,
> STOP! Dobro je poznato da je on bio samo urednik - korepetitor ove
> serije. Bilo je to veoma moderno u Americi. Setite se one TV serije
To sam ja i rekao, ne vidim šta ne valja. Naime, na knjigama piše "Isaac
Asimov's Robot City", a u predgovoru piše da je on urednik.
sf.134vitez.koja,
#=> "Preludijum za zadužbinu" je gabaritniji od tri stare,
#=> ali nosi mnoooogo manje informacija nego one. Istegli ga
#=> čiča, razvalio i naše i njihove. Pitanje za one koje su
#=> čitali ostale iz ciklusa Zadužbine: kakve su po
#=> konciznosti?
Slična stvar se može primetiti i kod ostalih knjiga, ali to ne bi trebalo da
iznenađuje s obzirom da je materijal od kojeg su sačinjene prve tri knjige
prvobitno zamišljen (i izdat) kao više priča. Za razliku od njih, ostale knjige
su i pisane kao romani, što će reći kontinualna radnja od početka do kraja,
više detaljisanja a manje informacija.
sf.135zormi,
*#=> "Preludijum za zadužbinu" je gabaritniji od tri stare,
*
* Slična stvar se može primetiti i kod ostalih knjiga, ali to ne bi trebalo
* da iznenađuje s obzirom da je materijal od kojeg su sačinjene prve tri
* knjige prvobitno zamišljen (i izdat) kao više priča.
A Asimov priznaje u jednom uvodu da ga izdavač plaća po broju reči u romanu
pa zato ume malo da guši. ;) Valjda je zato koristio text procesor, da
prebroji kad je pokrio minus na računu. :)
sf.136dejanr,
>> A Asimov priznaje u jednom uvodu da ga izdavač plaća po broju reči u romanu
Tako se standardno plaća u Americi, videćeš da i drugi pisci (recimo Pournelle
u BYTE-u) uvek "mere" knjige i tekstove po broju reči.
U doba Aleksandra Dime se plaćalo po redu, zato u njegovim romanima ima
toliko dijaloga tipa
- Zdravo
- Zdravo
- Dobro što si došao
itd ;)
Kod nas se plaća (ako se to zove plaćanje ;) po šlajfni, tj. praktično po
bajtu.
sf.137neman,
Malo pre sam cuo najavu da ce u 13.00 ( nedelja ) biti emitovane
Zvezdane staze - svemiska stanica 9 , verovatno "STAR TREK Deep Space Nine"
koji je skoro poceo da ide preko satelita. Razmislicu o svojoj podrsci
Seseljevom ukidanju takse :)
neman
sf.138ognjen,
> Malo pre sam cuo najavu da ce u 13.00 ( nedelja ) biti
> emitovane Zvezdane staze - svemiska stanica 9 , verovatno
> "STAR TREK Deep Space Nine"
Dok sam citao ovu poruku, bacim pogled na sat, i poletim u sobu
da upalim TV. Serija je tek pocinjala u okviru "Zabavne nedelje".
Hvala na informaciji. Elem, ako ste videli, sky je (kao i obicno)
povremeno ubacivao na dnu ekrana svoj znak i ime serije. Ljudi sa
RTSa su preko tog znaka stavili broj 1. Dali im to predstavlja
prvi program ili sta drugo, pojma nemam. Zar nije zabranjeno
preuzimati serije sa trugih programa? Izgleda de je i RTS krenuo
putem kriminala. :)
sf.139neman,
> preuzimati serije sa trugih programa? Izgleda de je i RTS
> krenuo putem kriminala. :)
Ako, ako, ljubi ga majka :)
sf.140spantic,
> Zvezdane staze - svemiska stanica 9 , verovatno "STAR TREK Deep Space Nine"
Može li neko da mi objasni šta se zapravo desilo u onoj bici na
početku epizode kada gine komadantova žena i kakve veze Pikar ima
sa tim?
sf.141dr.grba,
>> >> Mogu da ti nAvedem 43 SF dela, a ti mi daj ostalih 47 - 57...
>>
>> Pokušaću da iščačkam po svojim knjigama. žim dođem do referenci,
>> obećavam ih ovde. Shodno haosu u kom sam u poslednje vreme, to će
>> malo da potraje...
Odgovor bigbradi:
Zbilja nisam bio u pravu. Ta 43 dela koja spominješ i ja mogu da
prepišem iz SF enciklopedije Z. čivkovića. A tražeći tamo-amo, shvatio
sam da ta referenca od stotinjak knjiga pripada I raznim kompilovanim
i neautorizovanim izdanjima, kao i manje gabaritnim stvarima (neki baš
i novelu "Dvestogodišnjak" navode kao knjigu, hm...). Stoga ti podaci
nisu verodostojni.
A propos 43 naslova, ima ih još nekoliko, budući da je Asimov do smrti
izdao/autorizovao još par naslova (mislim da su reference u SF enciklopediji
ažurne sa 1989. godinom).
sf.142dr.grba,
>> ... Da vidimo da'l je Silverberg uspeo da pokvari i ovu priču :))
Boban Knežević favorizuje Silverberga kao najboljeg američkog SF pisca.
Naravno da se ne slažem sa ovom opaskom. Mnogo više volim kako to Zelazni
radi.
Da ne spominjem Filipa Dika.
sf.143dr.grba,
>> A Asimov priznaje u jednom uvodu da ga izdavač plaća po broju reči
>> u romanu pa zato ume malo da guši. ;) Valjda je zato koristio text
To su priznali i Stiven King i onaj krele LusterBater (;
Mada je King kasnije otkrio da je funkcija logaritamska, a ne linearna (:
sf.144neman,
> Moze li neko da mi objasni sta se zapravo desilo u onoj
> bici na pocetku epizode kada gine komadantova zena i kakve
> veze Pikar ima sa tim?
Commander Sisko ( gde li ga nasi krstise pukovnikom ili potpukovnikom )
je izgubio zenu pri eksploziji stanice. A mozda ovo i nije prva epizoda
STDS9. A uzgred za onakav pocetak ostatka epizode je bio dug tri godine :)
neman
sf.145snemcev,
>> Commander Sisko ( gde li ga nasi krstise pukovnikom ili potpukovnikom )
Pa to mu dođe prevod u naše činove.
sf.146bigbrada,
>>> Mogu da ti nAvedem 43 SF dela, a ti mi daj ostalih 47 - 57...
>
> Pokušaću da iščačkam po svojim knjigama. žim dođem do
> referenci,
43 SF dela Isaka Asimova :
--------------------------
1. Pebble in the Sky - 1950
2. I, Robot - 1950
3. The Stars, Like Dust - 1951
4. The Currentsof Space - 1952
5. Foundation - 1952
6. Foundation and Empire - 1952
7. David Starr, Space Ranger - 1952
8. Second Foundation - 1953
9. Lucky Starr and the Pirates
of the Asteroids - 1953
10. The Caves of Steel - 1954
11. Lucky Starr and the Oceans
of Venus - 1954
12. The End of Eternity - 1955
13. Martian Way and Other Stories - 1955
14. Lucky Starr and the Big Sun
of Mercury - 1956
15. The Naked Sun - 1957
16. Lucky Starr and the Moons of
Jupiter - 1957
17. Earth Is Room Enough - 1957
18. Lucky Starr and the Rings of
Saturn - 1958
19. Nine Tomorrows - 1959
20. The Rest of Robots - 1964
21. Fantastic Voyage - 1966
22. Through a Glass, Clearly - 1967
23. Asimov's Mysteries - 1968
24. Nightfall and Other Stories - 1969
25. The Gods Themselves - 1972
26. The Early Asimov - 1972
27. The Best of Isaac Asimov
/1939 - 1972/ - 1972
28. Have You Seen These? - 1974
29. Heavenly Host - 1975
30. Buy Jupiter and Other Stories - 1975
31. The Dream, Benjamin's Dream,
Benjamin's Biscentennial Blast - 1976
32. The Bicentennial Man and
Other Stories - 1976
33. Good Taste - 1977
34. 3 by Asimov - 1981
35. The Complete Robot - 1982
36. Foundation's Edge - 1982
37. The Winds of Change and Other
Stories - 1983
38. The Robots of Dawn - 1983
39. Norby, The Mixed-up Robot - 1983 (sa Janet Asimov)
40. The Robot Collection - 1983
41. Norby's Other Secret - 1984 (sa Janet Asimov)
42. Norby and Lost Princess - 1984 (sa Janet Asimov)
43. Robots and Empire - 1985
I to je to... Sad si ti na potezu :)
Brada.
P.S. Nađoh podatak da je napisao preko 400 knjiga!!!
sf.147dr.grba,
>> P.S. Nađoh podatak da je napisao preko 400 knjiga!!!
Valjda si pročitao moj odgovor u 7.141.
sf.148marshall,
*> prvi program ili sta drugo, pojma nemam. Zar nije zabranjeno
*> preuzimati serije sa trugih programa? Izgleda de je i RTS krenuo
*> putem kriminala. :)
Izgleda, posle okorelih kriminalaca koje predvodi TV Politika...
N A S R E C U ! ! ! :)))
sf.149dr.grba,
Gledao sam Star Drek u nedelju.
Otužno. Jedino opravdanje koje imam da sam gledao to čudo do kraja je
čekanje na ručak i kiša napolju. Skloni bože i sačuvaj!
sf.150valhala,
Mogu li negde da se kupe Gospodari Prstenova, i po kojoj ceni?
Moze li se naci i na engleskom?
Val.
sf.151debelijencija,
!=?> Otužno. Jedino opravdanje koje imam da sam gledao to čudo do
!=?> kraja je čekanje na ručak i kiša napolju. Skloni bože i
!=?> sačuvaj!
Slažem se, a još je i slika bila očajna... Izgleda da ga stvarno skidaju sa
Sky-a... :) Jedino ih je izvadilo kad se pojavio Jean-Luc Pickard na kraju!
:))) Još da je doš'o i Will Ryker... :)
Moje je opravdanje malo drugojačije. Ja sam se odmarao od vežbanja fizike
za kontrolnu kod razrednog ;))).
sf.152vpoznanovic,
*> Mogu li negde da se kupe Gospodari Prstenova, i po kojoj ceni?
*> Moze li se naci i na engleskom?
Mislim da Gospodara Prstenova nećeš naći u prodaji po knjižarama u
gradu. Trilogija je izuzetno tražena i nalazi se na prvom mjestu
knjiga koje bi razne knjižare otkupile od onih koji imaju primjerak
viška ili im knjige jednostavno više ne trebaju. Ostaje ti da baciš
pogled po buvljacima, jer tamo obično prodaju oni koji ne znaju da
mogu da ponude knjižarama. Dobra vijest je da Esotheria, uz izdavanje
ostalih Tolkienovih djela, u dogledno vrijeme namjerava da uradi i
reprint Gospodara Prstenova.
sf.153mikrom,
▄─ Mogu li negde da se kupe Gospodari Prstenova, i po kojoj ceni?
Mislim da je STILOS izdao novi tiraž. Raspitaj se kod njih
u knjižari, žika Ljubina (ne znam broj), ali je tel: 624-371
U svakom slučaju oni su izdavači i verovatno imaju po neki primerak.
sf.154spantic,
> Slažem se, a još je i slika bila očajna... Izgleda da ga stvarno skidaju sa
Ne znam da li ste čuli, ali... Ugovorili su 176 epizoda ST 9 stanica
do 2000. ;)
sf.155spantic,
> Mislim da Gospodara Prstenova nećeš naći u prodaji po knjižarama u
> gradu. Trilogija je izuzetno tražena i nalazi se na prvom mjestu
Video sam komplet preksinoć kod Bate ( JDP ).
sf.156vpoznanovic,
> Video sam komplet preksinoć kod Bate ( JDP ).
To je upravo to. Kod Bate je knjiga ubjedljivo najtraženija i sigurno
im je neko prodao taj primjerak.
sf.157dr.grba,
>> mogu da ponude knjižarama. Dobra vijest je da Esotheria, uz
>> izdavanje ostalih Tolkienovih djela, u dogledno vrijeme namjerava
>> da uradi i reprint Gospodara Prstenova.
2ivi bili i izdali celokupna dela Tolkina.
A oni majmuni iz "Nolita" bi mogli da opale novo izdanje, makar su
oni na državnim jaslama, pa imaju repromaterijal...
sf.158dr.grba,
>> Ne znam da li ste čuli, ali... Ugovorili su 176 epizoda ST 9
>> stanica do 2000. ;)
Gnag....pffffffffffff!
sf.159dejanr,
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sf/del.rey #10, from gbattis, 24665 chars, Sat Oct 2 23:19:21 1993
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TITLE: October 93
|DEL| OPTIMISTIC_RAMBLINGS.NET
|REY| The DEL REY BOOKS Internet Newsletter
Number 9 (October 1993)
WHAT'S NEW IN THE STORES==========================================
THE CHRONICLES OF PERN: FIRST FALL by Anne McCaffrey. Hardcover
Many tales of Pern have been hinted at in the Dragonriders books but
have yet to come to light. THE CHRONICLES OF PERN may be a drop in
the bucket as this untold history goes, but it should be a welcome
drop for all thirsty Pern fans. The stories in this book highlight
some of the moments in the earliest history of Pern: What happened
to the S.O.S. that Ted Tubberman sent off in DRAGONSDAWN? How were
Benden Weyr and Ruatha Hold settled? What was the dangerous Crossing
to the Northern Continent like? Each time you read another bit of
Pernese history, the world comes more and more alive. At the rate
Anne McCaffrey's going, I wouldn't be surprised if United suddenly
started advertising fares to Pern.
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WANDERER by Donald E. McQuinn. Trade paperback.
This is the sequel to Don McQuinn's debut SF novel, WARRIOR, set in
the Pacific Northwest some 500 years after most civilization has been
destroyed by nuclear and biological warfare. WANDERER continues the
struggle of a visionary priestess of the woman-led Church and a small
group of cryogenic resurrectees from the 21st century as they search
for hidden knowledge. McQuinn excels at creating a very detailed and
believable future world and strong female characters ("Most adventure
stories relegate females to secondary roles, and I wanted to change
that," he says). This is that rarity-- a post-holocaust SF adventure
with a strong, character-driven story. The last book in the trilogy,
WITCH, will be published in trade paperback next fall.
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JACK THE BODILESS by Julian May. Paperback.
At long last, JACK THE BODILESS is out in paperback, a mere four
months before Knopf publishes Book Two, DIAMOND MASK, in hardcover.
This is a book for everyone who read _The Saga of Pliocene Exile_ and
remembers Mark Remillard, adoring references to Saint Jack the
Bodiless, and mentions of the Metapsychic Rebellion. And even if you
haven't read the four books of that early series, JACK is still great
science fiction about extraordinary mental powers and alien contact--
and a really neat mystery that will keep you guessing.
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SORCEROUS SEA by Carol Severance. Paperback.
What goes around comes around, and in SORCEROUS SEA, the third book
of _The Island Warrior,_ Iuti Mano finally must face the consequences
of having murdered the Shark God. Lots of neat magic and nasty
danger in a beguiling South Seas-type culture. Carol Severance spent
a few years in the Peace Corps on a Pacific island called Truk, so
she knows whereof she writes. (And she knows it's pronounced
"chook," too.)
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THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY by Karen Ripley. Paperback.
This SF adventure opens with the heroine, Cassidy, riding a gray mare
and being chased by unknown people. But they're not all that's
unknown--Cassidy has no idea who or where she is, or why she's being
chased. Things get odder from there. The setting is a world not our
own, where memory, dreams, and even sex have little meaning for
anyone except Cassidy, who still remembers bits and pieces of our
world. Ripley has a rare command of detail and nuance (at least in
our opinion) that really brings this strange world to life. The
other books in the _The Slow World_ trilogy , THE WARDEN OF HORSES
and THE ALCHEMIST OF TIME, will be published in the summer and fall
of next year.
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CHIMERA by Mary Rosenblum. Paperback.
Mary Rosenblum keeps getting better and better. Her first book, THE
DRYLANDS, had other sf professionals practically drooling (see first
page of either book for examples) and got fine reviews. With
CHIMERA, I think Rosenblum has outdone herself by a factor of two or
so. She's created a well-developed near-future world where commerce,
art, and nearly everything else take place online. The main
character learns, though, that not everything virtual is unreal, nor
is everything in the flesh world real. Pat Cadigan says of CHIMERA,
"Mary Rosenblum paints a fascinating future landscape with all the
skill of a true artist. CHIMERA is a book to savor and enjoy over
and over again." And Walter Jon Williams chimes in with "The '90s
wave is here, and Mary Rosenblum is riding its crest."
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THE CHANGING LAND and DILVISH THE DAMNED by Roger Zelazny.
Paperbacks.
(These are repackages, not new books--meaning they have a new cover
design but the insides haven't changed--but I wanted to mention them
anyway because I'm fond of Zelazny's books and we've finally given
them modern covers.)
DEL REY DATA======================================================
October books:
THE STRICKEN FIELD by Dave Duncan (F)
Book Three of _A Handful of Men_; 345-37898-9
Hardcover, 352 pp; cover art by Jim Burns
UPLAND OUTLAWS by Dave Duncan (F)
Book Two of _A Handful of Men_; 345-38477-6
Paperback, 288 pp; cover art by Jim Burns
THE GUNS OF THE SOUTH by Harry Turtledove (SF)
345-38468-7
Paperback, 576 pp; cover art by Tom Stimson
THE EARTH SAVER by Catherine Wells (SF)
Sequel to CHILDREN OF THE EARTH; 345-37464-9
Paperback, 416 pp; cover art by Bob Eggleton
MORNINGSTAR by David Gemmell (F)
345-37909-8
Paperback, 304 pp; cover art by Mick Posen
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November books:
THE CHRONICLES OF PERN: FIRST FALL by Anne McCaffrey (SF)
A Pern short-story collection; 345-36898-3
Hardcover, 304 pp; cover art by Keith Parkinson
WANDERER by Donald E. McQuinn (SF)
Sequel to WARRIOR; 345-37840-7
Trade paperback, 608 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
JACK THE BODILESS by Julian May (SF)
First book in _The Galactic Milieu_ trilogy; 345-36247-0
Paperback, 480 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
SORCEROUS SEA by Carol Severance (F)
Third book in the _Island Warrior_ series; 345-37446-0
Paperback, 272 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY by Karen Ripley (SF)
First book in the _Slow World_ trilogy; 345-38120-3
Paperback, 240 pp; cover art by Nicholas Jainschigg
CHIMERA by Mary Rosenblum (SF)
345-38528-4
Paperback, 336 pp; cover art by Peter Peebles
THE CHANGING LAND and DILVISH THE DAMNED by Roger Zelazny (SF)
345-34441-3 and 345-33417-5
Paperback repackages,245 pp and 215 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
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December books:
KING JAVAN'S YEAR by Katherine Kurtz (F)
345-38478-4
Paperback, 514 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
THE BLACK LYNX by Elizabeth Boyer (F)
345-37593-9
Paperback, 336 pp; cover art by Tim Hildebrandt
PENNTERRA by Judith Moffett (SF)
345-37824-5
Paperback, 352 pp; cover art by Peter Peebles
THE BIG EMPTY by James Luceno (SF)
345-37449-5
Paperback, 352 pp; cover art by Peter Gudynas
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Special Announcement: DRIN Availability (or, All the Myriad Ways)
A self-serving list of all the ways to get the DRIN:
1. read it the first few days of the month on rec.arts.sf.written,
GEnie's Del Rey topic on the SFRT, or CompuServe's SF Library 5;
2. send your e-mail address to ekh@panix.com to be added to the
subscriber list and have the DRIN delivered to your mailbox the
first working day of the month;
3. get a copy from the Del Rey fileserver* (delrey@tachyon.com) by
sending e-mail with "SENDME newsletter.current" as the body of the
message;
4. read it on the Panix gopher* (gopher.panix.com; choose the DRIN
subdirectory).
*Back issues are also available here.
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Special Announcement: Ringworld Returns
For some interesting news about Larry Niven's Ringworld books, see
the Q & A section below.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: Alan Dean Foster====================================
Alan Dean Foster writes _a lot._ For a long time, he wrote only for
Del Rey, and thus we have quite a supply of Alan Dean Foster titles.
Besides writing books of his own, Foster's also written.
Titles are in chronological order by publication date, with the
series, if any, listed in parentheses after each book. (Flinx is
_The Adventures of Flinx of the Commonwealth_; Trek is _Star Trek
Logs_; Icerigger is _The Icerigger Trilogy_.). This is by no means a
complete Foster bibliography; he's published lots more books with Ace
(and maybe others).
THE TAR-AIYM KRANG (Flinx, 3/72; 345-30280-X)
BLOODHYPE (Flinx, 3/73; 345-33285-7)
ICERIGGER (Icerigger, 3/74; 345-33395-0)
STAR TREK LOG ONE (Trek, 6/74; 345-33349-7)
STAR TREK LOG TWO (Trek, 9/74; 345-32646-6)
DARK STAR (10/74; 27727-9)
STAR TREK LOG THREE (Trek, 1/75; 33318-7)
STAR TREK LOG FOUR (Trek, 3/75; 33350-0)
STAR TREK LOG FIVE (Trek, 8/75; 33351-9)
MIDWORLD (11/75; 345-35011-1)
STAR TREK LOG SIX (Trek, 3/76; 33352-7)
STAR TREK LOG SEVEN (Trek, 6/76; 27683-3)
STAR TREK LOG EIGHT (Trek, 8/76; 27602-7)
STAR TREK LOG NINE (Trek, 2/77; 27165-3)
ORPHAN STAR (Flinx, 3/77; 345-32449-8)
THE END OF THE MATTER (Flinx, 11/77; 345-33465-5)
WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE (Short stories, 12/77; 345-31657-6)
STAR TREK LOG TEN (Trek, 1/78; 27212-9)
SPLINTER OF THE MIND'S EYE (Star Wars novel, 2/78; 345-27566-7)
MISSION TO MOULOKIN (Icerigger, 4/79; 345-33322-5)
THE BLACK HOLE (12/79; 345-28538-7)
CACHALOT (5/80; 345-33595-3)
NOR CRYSTAL TEARS (9/82; 345-32447-1)
FOR THE LOVE OF MOTHER-NOT (Flinx, 3/83;345-34689-0)
...WHO NEEDS ENEMIES? (Short stories, 6/84; 345-31657-6)
VOYAGE TO THE CITY OF THE DEAD (8/84; 345-35061-8)
SENTENCED TO PRISM (9/85; 345-31980-X)
THE DELUGE DRIVERS (Icerigger, 6/87; 345-33330-6)
FLINX IN FLUX (Flinx, 7/88; 345-34363-8)
THE METROGNOME AND OTHER STORIES (Short stories, 8/90; 345-36356-6)
A CALL TO ARMS hardcover (Damned, 4/91; 345-35855-4)
A CALL TO ARMS paperback (Damned, 4/92; 345-37574-2)
THE FALSE MIRROR hardcover (Damned, 4/92; 345-35856-2)
THE FALSE MIRROR paperback (Damned, 6/93; 345-37575-0)
THE SPOILS OF WAR hardcover (Damned, 4/93; 345-35857-0)
STAR TREK LOG ONE/LOG TWO/LOG THREE (Trek, 1/93; 345-38247-1)
STAR TREK LOG FOUR/LOG FIVE/LOG SIX (Trek, 7/93; 345-38522-5)
STAR TREK LOG SEVEN/LOG EIGHT/LOG NINE (Trek, 8/93; 345-38561-6)
About the Author:
Alan Dean Foster was born in New York City and raised in Los Angeles,
California. After receiving a bachelor's degree in Political Science
and a Masters of Fine Arts degree in motion pictures from UCLA in
1968-69, he worked for two years as a public-relations copywriter in
Studio City, CA.
He sold his first short story to August Derleth at _Arkham Collector
Magazine_ in 1968, and other sales of short fiction to other
magazines followed. His first try at a novel, THE TAR-AIYM KRANG,
was published by Ballantine Books in 1972. Since then, Foster has
published many short stories, novels, and film novelizations.
Foster has toured extensively around the world. Besides travelling,
he enjoys classical and rock music, old films, basketball, body-
surfing, and weight-lifting. He has taught screenwriting,
literature, and film history at UCLA and Los Angeles City College.
Currently, he resides in Arizona.
IN DEPTH==========================================================
Carol Severance.is the author of REEFSONG, a Hawaii-influenced SF
novel, and _The Island Warrior,_ a fantasy trilogy set in a
Polynesia-like culture. Besides being a good writer and a fun person
to hang around with at conventions, Carol is a whiz at self-promotion
(though judging by her experiences as recounted below, she might
describe herself, ruefully, as more of a Cheez Whiz). If you see a
fantasy novel nestled in between the ground chuck and the stew beef,
it's probably one of Carol's.
THE VIEW FROM THE MEAT AND CHEESE DEPARTMENT
Self-promotion is a strange business.
At times, its advantages seem obvious--like when more than three
non-family members show up for a reading and buy copies of your
books before they leave. Or someone admits to seeking out your
most recent novel after reading about it in the local paper or
their college alumni newsletter or on a bookmark they picked up at
a convention. Particularly gratifying is the book distributor or
bookstore manager who says, "Thanks for stopping in. I'll be sure
to reorder your books."
The trouble is, you can never tell which efforts are going to pay
off and which aren't, and why. When my first novel, _Reefsong,_
came out, I agreed to do signings at two local grocery stores. I
live on a small island. There aren't a lot of opportunities for
such events, so I figured I might as well give it a shot. Believe
me, there's nothing quite like seeing your precious novel
advertised as a loss-leader item in the Sunday grocery ads.
The signing at the first store was a big success. My table was
placed among the specialty Christmas gifts, in between the bakery
and booze departments. Dozens of people stopped by to chat and to
take advantage of the discount the store was offering on my books.
The cut didn't affect my royalties, so I was quite pleased with the
situation.
The following day, at the second store, things were different. The
person who had set up the event wasn't working that day, and had
left no directions as to what to do with me, although the store did
have a case of my books on hand. There was no specialty Christmas
gift section and the bakery and booze departments were far distant
from each other, so I suggested setting up my table near the book
and magazine racks. There was a pause. Then someone said,
"There's better traffic flow through the meat and cheese
department."
He was right. During my three-hour stay, I directed dozens of
shoppers to the restrooms, explained to uncountable others that no,
I was not there to hand out samples, and that Velveeta was a cheese
product, not a true cheese, and could be found on Aisle 17, and
signed two books--one of them to a sympathetic store employee.
I also talked with a school librarian who explained she couldn't
add _Reefsong_ to her collection because her students' parents
would never allow a book with so lurid a cover. I offered to
purchase some contact paper (Aisle 6) to paste over the offending
parts, but by then her attention had shifted to the cold cuts.
The assistant manager suggested that next time, I should do as a
local radio station had recently done: barricade myself inside a
"jail" constructed of my books (the radio station used cases of
soda pop) and refuse to come out until the books were all sold. I
suggested, very politely, hat the next time we'd probably both be
better off just putting the books on the racks and letting it go at
that.
So. Was it worth it?
Well, now I have a photograph that I carry with me to each of my
signings to remind myself how bad it can really get. But the two
stores, along with another in the chain, sold three cases of
_Reefsong_ during the week-long promotion, many to people who don't
ordinarily frequent bookstores. And, through a local distributor,
all the stores continue to stock _Reefsong_ along with my more
recent books, _Demon Drums_ and _Storm Caller._ They sell quite
well right off the racks. And one day not long after the signings,
a young woman called me. She had just read _Reefsong,_ she said,
and it had given her a fresh and much-needed positive outlook on
life. She'd found the book by accident while doing her grocery
shopping. It was on a card table in the meat and cheese
department.
Maybe it _is_ worth it, I tell myself on the meat-and-cheese days.
Maybe it really is.
--Carol Severance
Q & A=============================================================
Q: "Larry Niven, author of the Ringworld Trilogy"--have I missed
something in the recent Larry Niven discussion?
A: Well, maybe, or maybe not. I guess now's the time to announce
that Larry Niven is writing a third Ringworld book (finally!) The
idea for the book came out of a recent conversation with our very own
Barbara Hambly, and part of the book is written already. We don't
know yet when we're publishing it, but the part that's been turned in
is really good.
Q: What are these next two books David Eddings plans to write?
A: BELGARATH and POLGARA are the stand-alone stories of these two
characters, set before the epic saga of Garion the King. BELGARATH
will cover the story of how the sorcerer Belgarath became a disciple
of the God Aldur, his romance with Poledra, and the birth of his
daughter Polgara--the epic saga of seven thousand tumultuous years.
POLGARA will tell the story of the sorceress Polgara, her lives, her
loves, her adventures, and her crucial role in the epic war of men
and Kings and Gods.
(Whew, take a deep breath.)
Q: I was just wondering if anyone had any info on the future
plans for The Per Hiero Desteen books by Sterling Lanier (Books
in series: HIERO'S JOURNEY and THE UNFORSAKEN HIERO) It's
about time for the third, I think, and the series can NOT end
where Journey left off.
A: After a similar query in a past issue of the DRIN, Sterling
Lanier got in touch with us after years and years to say that he was
indeed finally at work on a third Hiero book, and expected to send it
to us sometime around the end of the year if all went well. We're
waiting eagerly to receive it, and will let you know if and when
we'll publish as soon as we know for sure.
Q: The Deryni books by Katherine Kurtz--how long until she starts
the Childe Morgan series?
A: Kurtz is concentrating on other Deryni books right now, so it
will probably be a while--at least a few more years.
Q: Any other books coming from Alan Dean Foster set in the Humanx
Commonwealth universe?
A: In fact, Del Rey will be publishing another Pip & Flinx book in
1995, and a Commonwealth Universe book after that in 1996. More
details as we get them.
Q: Joe Clifford Faust: Has he written anything recently? I liked
THE COMPANY MAN (1988) a lot, and the _Angel's Luck_ trilogy
(1990-1991), but haven't seen anything from him in the past two
years. Did I miss anything, or has he stopped writing?
A: You haven't missed anything--Faust's last book from us was THE
ESSENCE OF EVIL, the third book of _Angel's Luck._ We all liked
Joe's writing--he can be light and entertaining, as in the _Angel's
Luck_ series, or more dark and entertaining, as in THE COMPANY MAN.
But his sales were disappointing, and the sad truth is that once an
author's sales begin to go down, it's almost impossible to turn them
around again unless the author comes up with a total blockbuster. So
we haven't been able to buy more books from him.
IMHO: Publishing in the Internet Age=============================
For the last week, I've been working about 16 hours a day on a
book about the Internet. It's a directory to resources, access
providers, etc., and it's compiled by my significant other and
edited by my boss. (You can see how I'd get co-opted into
helping.) So for a week I've been working at home, all Del Rey
work has been put aside (and is getting later and later), I
haven't been sleeping much , I have major eyestrain, and I've been
learning a lot about the Internet. And thinking about it, too--
about the fact that there's finally something in the real world
that approximates the computer networks found in science fiction
(a mention of Gibson's _Neuromancer_ and cyberspace seems
obligatory here :) ). And even though in some ways the Internet
is a pale approximation of the science-fictional "net" in its
various and variously vivid ideations, it's getting closer all the
time; we now have MUDs and MOOs, rudimentary VR hardware, hugely
powerful graphics programs, and a network that reaches across the
globe. Widespread telecommuting and the virtual office might be
just around the corner.
But the major publishing companies almost all seem to be woefully
behind when it comes to the possibilities of computers. Last fall
I visited the offices of another New York publisher, only to find
that the editors there didn't even have word processors.
Ballantine/Del Rey isn't that badly off, but our art and design
department has only recently switched to designing book covers on
computer and sending those covers to the printer as computer files
instead of cardboard-and-overlay mechanicals. Meanwhile, though
our sales reps and sales department have had an e-mail network for
a few years, and the reps can place their stores' orders for books
over the network--a major advance in the industry--no two
departments are networked together. So the managing editor's
office is still distributing memos in multiple paper copies to our
three floors of the building, via resultantly fit assistants. And
when editors want sales figures, we have to call the sales
department and request a printout. All editors do now have word
processors, so things are looking up--and there's even talk of a
Random House Internet connection in our future.
If Random House (of which we are a part) had an Internet
connection already, or even an internal network I could dial into,
I wouldn't have to be writing this on the subway under the East
River right now--we could have just e-mailed the Quark file for a
chapter of the book instead of delivering it to the office by hand
So it has hit home this past week how much more efficient we at
Ballantine/Del Rey could be if we weren't lagging behind
technologically--an ironic situation for a science-fiction
publisher, especially when it seems that a lot of the world is on
the brink of a transformation in the way research, business, and
social interaction is done.
And then I began to think about how much better at bridging the gap
between publisher and readers Del Rey could be if we took full
advantage of the Internet. I'm now putting together an Internet
wish list--a bunch of ideas about offering readers more
information while making our presence passive rather than active
(so that people who want the information we make available can get
it easily, while people who aren't interested will never see it
(and it won't waste bandwidth)). Some of my ideas for what to put
online are a mail-drop address for e-mail to our authors; a place
where our our authors could upload things they've written--
descriptions of books they're working on, discussions of
conventions, "What I Did on My Summer Vacation," whatever; a
notice board listing our authors' appearances for signings and
readings, and their publications in the short-story magazines
and/or the mainstream press; and the Internet equivalent of movie
previews. I have some other ideas--more radical ones--as well,
but I don't have room to list them here. Suffice to say that we
could do a lot of things to make information about our books and
authors available directly to readers, without broadcasting this
information across the net to all and sundry.
As other companies get onto the Internet, especially if they don't
agree to follow the rules of Internet culture, it will probably be
a good idea to restrict commercial and promotional activity like
the DRIN to passive availability (gophers, FTP sites, etc.) and
request-only mailing lists, and kick it off the newsgroups (except
the biz. groups). But how does that restriction get accomplished
without an enforcing body? I think a major challenge of the next
few years will be how to deal with the increase of commercial
presence on the net--how to allow it to enrich the net's
atmosphere and expand the net's possibilities without letting it
to take over so that there's always an ad at the bottom of your
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sf.160dr.grba,
>> 2ivi bili i izdali celokupna dela Tolkina.
│
└──────── Znam da sam replicirao samom sebi, al' gle ovo! (:
sf.161vpoznanovic,
*> >> mogu da ponude knjižarama. Dobra vijest je da Esotheria, uz
*> >> izdavanje ostalih Tolkienovih djela, u dogledno vrijeme namjerava
*> >> da uradi i reprint Gospodara Prstenova.
*>
*> 2ivi bili i izdali celokupna dela Tolkina.
*>
*> A oni majmuni iz "Nolita" bi mogli da opale novo izdanje, makar su
*> oni na državnim jaslama, pa imaju repromaterijal...
Jučer je u nekoj emisiji Trećeg Programa gostovao Vladimir Madić,
glavni i odgovorni urednik Esotherije i pričao o situaciji u vezi
izdavanja Tolkienovih djela. Rekao je da za sada nemaju prava na
izdavanje Gospodara Prstenova, ali da će uraditi reprint čim ih
dobiju. Zaista imaju u planu objavljivanje svih Tolkienovih djela,
u prvom redu Nedovršenih Priča i sedam (???) knjiga Istorije Srednje
Zemlje. Pričao je malo o Silmarilionu, jer je u toku javna promocija
knjige, malo o stanju na tržištu itd. Smeta mu to što nemaju izdavačke
konkurencije na polju ezoterije, mistike i fantastike, jer bi to
sigurno ubrzalo izdavanje novih knjiga.
sf.162spantic,
Uz poruku ide prvi broj slovenačkog fanzina Blodnjak koji izlazi u elektonskoj
formi ( ranije na papiru ). Tekstovi su na slovenačkom. YUSCII.
blood001.zipsf.163astojkovic,
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TRAZIM:
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"STVORENJA SVETLOSTI I TAME"
PHILIP K.DICK "TECITE SUZE MOJE..."
"DA LI ANDROIDI SANJAJU..."
NUDIM:
FREDERIK POL "ANALI HICIA"
"RAT TRGOVACA"
"GEM - STVARANJE JEDNE UTOPIJE"
GREG BER "EON"
ISAK ASIMOV "BOGOVI LICNO"
"ROBOTI ZORE"
"PRELUDIJUM ZA ZADUZBINU"
URSULA LEGUIN "LEVA RUKA TAME"
J.R.R. TOLIKEN "GOSPODAR PRSTENOVA"
( 2. I 3. KNJIGA, "STILOS")
"KENTAUR" "NAJBOLJE SVETSKE SF PRICE"
T.BRETON &
D.BENEICH "NJEZNI RAT" ("SOFTWAR")
ZA DOGOVOR MAIL ASTOJKOVIC
sf.164spantic,
Uz poruku su omaške iz filmova "Zvezdane staze", šta sve radi gledanje
filma par stotina puta. Ops, ne "Zvezdane staze", već "Ratovi zvezda".
Izvinjavam se, ovo je na vezi pisano. :)
sw-goofs.zipsf.165spantic,
Za fanove "Zvezdanih staza", bilten događaja oko istih :)
zine37.arjsf.166dejanr,
>> Uz poruku su omaške iz filmova "Zvezdane staze", šta sve radi gledanje
>> filma par stotina puta. Ops, ne "Zvezdane staze", već "Ratovi zvezda".
Svaka čast na prilogu! Pročitah ga dvaput sa velikim zadovoljstvom.
Većina omaški su krajnje sitne i neprimetne, i izgleda da nema nelogičnosti
u samoj *priči*, već samo u snimanjima pojedinih scena. Jedino što videh a
što mi izgleda kao stvarno ozbiljna omaška jeste:
>> SUBJECT: Luke (Wait, isn't she called Leia?)
>> FILM: Star Wars IV "A New Hope"
>> SCENE:
>> This scene is right after the Death Star is destroyed, as Luke is
>> getting out of his X-Wing.
>> EVENT:
>> Leia comes running up to him just as he descends the ladder from his
>> X-Wing. He calls the character, Leia, by the actor's name, as he
>> yells out "Carrie!"
Neverovatno da niko to nije video (tj. čuo) dok su proveravali film,
a možda i nije tako neverovatno jer i ja nisam zapazio a gledao sam
ga "par" puta.
Inače, da se "pohvalim" da sam ova tri i ja primetio:
>> On Cloud City in Empire where Chewie is running away from the camera
>> EVENT:
>> The angle is such that you see the bottoms of Chewie's feet, and you
>> see heel and sole of the boots that make up the feet of Peter Mayhew's
>> costume.
>> When Gold Five is going down on during the fight on the Deathstar. He
>> calls out, "Gold Five to Red Leader." Red Leader's response is "I
>> copy, Gold Leader."
>> During the Scenes when Han is about to be frozen in Carbonite.
>> EVENT:
>> Before he is lowered into it, he has shackles around the upper part of
>> his arms, which holds them to his body. However, in Return of the
>> Jedi, when he is unfrozen, he no longer has them on his arms.
>> Second, in one scene Han is not wearing his vest, you see his torso as
>> completely white (his shirt is white). Those are the medium close up
>> shots of Han. When the camera cuts to long shots, Han is wearing his
>> vest...
(naravno, to sam primetio zato što sam namenski gledao jednu pa drugu
scenu, ne bi li ih uhvatio u nekoj greškici ;))
Nezavisno od grešaka, ovo što sledi mi je bilo najinteresantnije saznanje
o samom filmu:
>> Lucas was concerned about preventing leaks with his next Star Wars
>> Film, The Empire Strikes Back. Infact, he had an elaborate security
>> system set up which included logs of reports about leaks from actors.
>> Lucas was especially concerned about the catwalk scene where Vader
>> tells Luke he is his father. The lines Prowse actually spoke were
>> actually 'Obi Wan Kenobi is your father' not, 'I am your father'.
>> The lines we hear were added later, with the rest of Darth Vader's
>> dialogue.
Hvala još jednom za fajl, nemojte da nekome bude žao da ga download-uje :)
PS Onaj ko je ovo primetio stvarno treba da dobije medalju :)
>> when the droids first enter Jabba's throne room, you hear a lot of
>> alien voices murmuring... if you listen closely, one of them is
>> Greedo's voice speaking the EXACT same dialogue he said to Han in Star
>> Wars.
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"GEM - STVARANJE JEDNE UTOPIJE"
GREG BER "EON"
ISAK ASIMOV "BOGOVI LICNO"
"ROBOTI ZORE"
"PRELUDIJUM ZA ZADUZBINU"
URSULA LEGUIN "LEVA RUKA TAME"
J.R.R. TOLIKEN "GOSPODAR PRSTENOVA"
( 2. I 3. KNJIGA, IZDANJE "STILOS")
"KENTAUR" "NAJBOLJE SVETSKE SF PRICE 1984."
T.BRETON
& D.BENEICH "NJEZNI RAT" ("SOFTWAR")
TRAZIM:
ROGER ZELAZNY "OBERONOVA IGRA & VRATA HAOSA"
"STVORENJA SVETLOSTI I TAME"
PHILIP K.DICK "TECITE SUZE MOJE..."
"DA LI ANDROIDI SANJAJU..."
ZA INFORMACIJE MAIL ASTOJKOVIC
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sf.168spantic,
Baš sam danas video u Drpu da je izašla prva knjiga Bobana Kneževića i
to u izdanje beogradske "Prosvete". Knjiga je zasnovana na srpskim
narodnim pričama i da li neko već možda ima? O:)
sf.169cdragan,
Eto i ja najzad pročitah Asimovu triologiju o zadužbini a čini
mi se da je bila još neka knjiga(e) koja je bila nastavak pa ako
je neko ima i ako je voljan da mi je da na čitanje ... :)
sf.170spantic,
> Eto i ja najzad pročitah Asimovu triologiju o zadužbini a čini
> mi se da je bila još neka knjiga(e) koja je bila nastavak pa ako
Inače je upravo "Polaris" izbacio Asimovljevu "U susret
zadužbini". Kako ono beše? "Dosta je bilo Bile!" Pardon,
Zorane ;)
sf.171dr.grba,
>> Baš sam danas video u Drpu da je izašla prva knjiga Bobana
>> Kneževića i
Tri ili četiri priče Bobana Kneževića koje sam pročitao su dovoljna
referenca da bih bez dvoumljenja maznuo bilo šta sa njegovim potpisom (;
a u srećnija vremena i kupio (: ...
sf.172spantic,
Uz poruku je opis svih epizoda ST Next Generation. Spreman za štampu
ako imate WP 5.1. Uopšte mi nije jasno šta je taj mislio ;)
Srećom Word ovo guta bez frke, a lepo sve možete pročitati i sa Viewom.
Uživajte.
tngtblgd.arjsf.173mikrom,
Ovo je možda za male oglase, ali će ovde biti zapaženije.
Dakle, nudim:
1. Vodič kroz galaksiju za autostopere I-III, Daglas Adams
- prvo izdanje na našem jeziku (Zoroaster '86.)
2. Nebeski strug, Ursula Legvin
3. Sanjaju li androidi električne ovce, Filip Dik
4. Nešto nam se zlo privlači, Rej Bredberi
5. Devet prinčeva Ambera I, Rodžer Zelazni
6. Puške Avalona, Znamenje jednoroga (Amber II-III), Rodžer Zelazni
7. Vrisak Zvezda, Slobodan Ćurčić + Zemlja za dobre ljude, Radmilo Anđelković
8. Helikonija Leto, Brajan Oldis
9. Gradovi u letu, Džejms Bliš
10. Neuromanser, Vilijem Gibson
11. Doživljaji Džona Difula, Peta esencija 1. deo (Galaksija sanja)
2. deo (Planeta Diful)
- čodorovski Mebijus, izdanje edicija No1, pun kolor
Tražim:
1. Monolit 2
2. Ursulu Legvin ... (osim "Svet se kaže šuma", "Zemlomorja" i "Tehanu")
3. Frederik Pol ...
4. Grad, Klifor Simak
sf.174dr.grba,
>> ako imate WP 5.1. Uopšte mi nije jasno šta je taj mislio ;)
Mislio je da je WP dobar proizvod za procesiranje teksta. Ne slažeš se?
sf.175spantic,
> Mislio je da je WP dobar proizvod za procesiranje teksta. Ne slažeš se?
Uh, nemojmo ovde da započinjemo rat Word vs. WP. Ja koristim
Word for Windows :)
sf.176dr.grba,
>> Uh, nemojmo ovde da započinjemo rat Word vs. WP. Ja koristim
>> Word for Windows :)
Ne, ne bih započinjao čak ni da je tome ovde mesto. Grozim se rasprava te
vrste, poput onog ZIP v/s ARJ, Telix v/s Telemate i ne znam ni ja šta.
Lično, i Word i WP smatram izvanrednim proizvodima, a koji će se koristiti
spada u domen ukusa, navika ili nekih drugih uzroka. Meni lično nije
neophodan nijedan od njih, a u retkim prilikama kada mi treba nešto lepše
ispisan list papira, upotrebim Win Write.
sf.177magician,
=> Ne, ne bih započinjao čak ni da je tome ovde mesto. Grozim se rasprava
=> te vrste, poput onog ZIP v/s ARJ, Telix v/s Telemate i ne znam ni ja
=> šta.
Amiga je bolja od Atarija !!!
P.S. Samo konstatujem :)
sf.178ljubisha,
´k> Amiga je bolja od Atarija !!!
> P.S. Samo konstatujem :)
Barem ti konstatacija odgovara temi. Naučna fantastika. :))
sf.179vitez.koja,
#=> Da rezimiram: Taj tvoj kompjuter se nikad ne bi pročuo
#=> ni proslavio. Samo bi, jadan, štancovao Tolstoja.
Ne znam zašto ni kako, ovaj citat iz civilizacija:književnos' me podsetio na
knjigu "Nikadija", autora se ne sećam, naravno u Polarisovom izdanju. Da li je
neko čitao to ?
čestok utisak, opet ne znam zašto, na mene je ostavio deo kad on priča
o sveštenicima koji se bave tajnom radija, i kaže kako mu je jedan od
sveštenika ispričao kako je pravio taj radio, ali on nije mnogo razumeo, ali
pre svega mu nije bilo jasno "zašto ga je pravio umesto da ga jednostavno pusti
da naraste". I kasnije, u knjizi, on kaže npr. "radio je bio mrtav, nepovratno
mrtav", i to ne u prenesenom nego u bukvalnom značenju (onda glavni lik
razmišlja ko je ubio radio).
Ko zna kakve nas mašine čekaju beyond 2000 :)
sf.180dr.grba,
>> Amiga je bolja od Atarija !!!
Kad bi se gađali autobusima!
>> P.S. Samo konstatujem :)
I ja.
sf.181dr.grba,
>> Ko zna kakve nas mašine čekaju beyond 2000 :)
"Ne znam kojim će se oružjem voditi treći svetski rat. Ali znam da će se
četvrti svetski rat voditi lukom i strelom."
Albert Ajnštajn
sf.182jerry,
> Tri ili cetiri price Bobana Knezevica koje sam procitao su dovoljna
> referenca da bih bez dvoumljenja maznuo bilo sta sa njegovim
potpisom (;
> a u srecnija vremena i kupio (: ...
Ako te nesto interesuje, javi se meni. B. K.-a znam jedno 14 godina a
njegov kum stanuje
'zgrada do mene'. Btw. 'kum' ima poooovelicku biblioteku SF knjiga.
Pozdrav, :o), Jerry.
sf.183v.nesic,
> knjigu "Nikadija", autora se ne sećam, naravno u Polarisovom izdanju. Da li
je
> neko čitao to ?
Najcarskija knjiga. BTW, mislim da se useru LordPilot knjiga
takođe dopala :))
sf.184spantic,
> Ne znam zašto ni kako, ovaj citat iz civilizacija:književnos' me podsetio
> na knjigu "Nikadija", autora se ne sećam, naravno u Polarisovom izdanju. Da
> li je neko čitao to ?
Autor je Dejvid Zindel i mene nije posebno impresinirala.
sf.185spantic,
Krajnje subjektivna recenzija knjiga Bobana Kneževića, "Crni cvet".
To je prvi roman Kneževićev koji je izdat, mada je autor napisao
dosta priča od kojih su neke objavljene u TAMNIM VILAJETIMA, zbirkama
YU priča. Autor je poznati izdavač SF literature, poznat po probojima
našem SF tržištu ne toliko poznatih autora ( a bogami i po svom
fleksibilnom shvatanju roka izdavanja usled toga :)
Prvi roman mu je objavila beogradska "Prosveta", meki povez, 217
strana, ćirilica.
I tu idu prve dve primedbe. Moja devojka je kad je videla knjigu
prokomentarisala: "Kakva je to glupost?" Naime, na koricama, inače
lepo opremljene knjige nalazi se anonimni crtež sisate plavuše
koja čeka spasioca. Ista je obnažena, a tako i njen prethodni
spasilac ;)
Svejedno, nemojte dozvoliti da vas to odbije, knjiga je odlična
a korice možete i pokriti.
Drugo je samo zanimljiva opaska: "Moglo je to i na duplo manje
strana", a što nema veze sa razvučenošću, već sa štampom :)
A sad o tekstu, u knjizi je Boban uplivao u čudesni svet srpske
narodne književnosti, pesama i bajki. čalosno je koliko danas
mnogi bolje poznaju engelsku fantazi književnost, pa i same njihove
"Vilinske priče", negu našu sopstvenu.
Hajde, sami priznajte koliko se vas seća Marka Kraljevića ( još
kojekako, zar ne? ), Baš želika, Helenine Gore, šume Striborove.
Ko danas čita bajke Brlić-Mažuranić? A to je zaista šteta, jer one
vrede.
Tu se Boban javlja koristeći elemente istih u svojoj priči koja
od sredine dela teče ka kraju i početku uporedo.
Neki bi možda rekli nepotrebno. Ne slažem se, ti preskoci baš
omogućuju čitalačevo uživljavanje i dublje doživljavanje priče
koje inače ne bi bilo moguće.
Ovo nije Tolkien, ovo je Knežević, delo pisano u tradiciji srpske
bajke i sprpskih mitova. Tako redak primer osvrtanja i pisanja o
našim, lokalnim temama u domaćem SF i F.
Na kraju mi samo ostaje da vam kažem da je u Drpu gde sam kupio
zadnji primerak tog dana ovo bila najprodavanija knjiga.
Samo napred Bobane!
sf.186vitez.koja,
#=> Autor je Dejvid Zindel i mene nije posebno
#=> impresinirala.
Nije ni mene; čak ne mogu da se setim o čemu se tačno radi. Ima, međutim, nekih
delova koji su ostavili jak utisak na mene...
sf.187dr.grba,
>> Ako te nesto interesuje, javi se meni. B. K.-a znam jedno 14 godina
Evo, javljam se. Priupitaj Bobana kad će da razduži dve i tri godine stare
dugove. Nije fora da šaljem pajser brigadu zbog knjiga (;
sf.188dr.grba,
>> Hajde, sami priznajte koliko se vas seća Marka Kraljevića ( još
>> kojekako, zar ne? ), Baš želika, Helenine Gore, šume Striborove.
Pročitaj "Zlatnu knjigu" Dragana Filipovića, pa ćeš videti da nije
sve tako crno.
sf.189corto,
> Amiga je bolja od Atarija !!!
Dobro, breeeee......sf, paralelne stvarnosti....
dJOLE
sf.190corto,
> Barem ti konstatacija odgovara temi. Naucna fantastika. :))
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
dJOLE
sf.191corto,
> Procitaj "Zlatnu knjigu" Dragana Filipovica, pa ces videti da
> nije sve tako crno.
Cak stavise, glede i unatoc, vrlo je crnohumorno, bar kad se Filipovic
pita....za svaki slucaj, imam ih dve, prva se jos nije raspala... :)
dJOLE
sf.192spantic,
Drugi broj slovenačkog elekronskog fanzina "Blodnjak" Evo sadržaja
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b002-04.txt Martin Furlanič: Prizor
b002-05.txt Jure Aleksič: Za splošni blagor
b002-06.txt Pregled ZF&F filmov (MaSk)
b002-07.txt Jurski park (Z. Vrdlovec)
b002-08.txt A.M.Fajdiga-Bulat: ZF&F in računalniške mreže
b002-09.txt Blade Runner (MaSk)
b002-10.txt Robert Silverberg: Svet znotraj (G. Kamnikar)
b002-11.txt Fantazija (V. Vidmar)
b002-12.txt Larry Niven: The World Out of Time (MaSk)
b002-13.txt Willow (M. Goljevšček)
b002-14.txt 2001:Space Odyssey (Galvin)
b002-15.txt Terminator 2 (Z. Vrdlovec)
Preporučujem Majin članak.
Pozdrav, Srđan
blod002.zipsf.193dr.grba,
>> Cak stavise, glede i unatoc, vrlo je crnohumorno, bar kad se
>> Filipovic pita....za svaki slucaj, imam ih dve, prva se jos nije
>> raspala... :)
Znači, kod tebe je moja,pre tri godine plaćena knjiga. Sreća, pa
radi Oreska....
sf.194corto,
> Znaci, kod tebe je moja,pre tri godine placena knjiga. Sreca,
> pa radi Oreska....
Nije, osim ako ja to ne znam....jednu sam uredno platio adrugu dobio u
zamenu za komplet StripArt-a od B.K. licno. Bogamu, mozda je stvarno
tvoja....;)
dJOLE
sf.195jerry,
> Evo, javljam se. Priupitaj Bobana kad ce da razduzi dve i tri
godine stare
> dugove. Nije fora da saljem pajser brigadu zbog knjiga (;
Eee, u njegove biznis probleme se ne upustam. Ja mogu samo da mu
prenesem
poruku. Inace, on nije jedini. Na zalost. Imam i ja neke koji su mi
svasta
duzni pa ako imas pajser brigadu, daj mi ih pod komandu samo na jedan
dan.
Please?
sf.196spantic,
> Pročitaj "Zlatnu knjigu" Dragana Filipovića, pa ćeš videti da nije
> sve tako crno.
A ne. Dragan i jeste svetla tačka u tami. Nevolja je
što je prilično usamljen.
sf.197spantic,
Počeo sam da skidam biografije SF pisaca. Nije to tako obimno koliko
je nezgdno što su sve u posebnim datotekama a ne u nekoj arhivi.
Pa povodom toga sam tužno zaključio kako mi sve to zapravo trpamo
na gomilu ovde. Bilo bi lepo da nam tema živne. Ko zna možda jednog
dana dobijemo i konferenciju? :)
sf.198bigbrada,
>> dugove. Nije fora da saljem pajser brigadu zbog knjiga (;
> duzni pa ako imas pajser brigadu, daj mi ih pod komandu samo na
> jedan
Lakše malo sa topm pajser brigadom ;) Svaki put kada čitam to
učini mi se kao da piše "pajers bigbradu", prosto se štrecnem
svaki put ;)
Űpaga.
sf.199dr.grba,
>> Eee, u njegove biznis probleme se ne upustam. Ja mogu samo da mu
>> prenesem
>> poruku.
Ma, samo ga pozdravi i reci mu da ima pobornika koji će i dalje sa njim
ako se vrate bolji dani.
>> duzni pa ako imas pajser brigadu, daj mi ih pod komandu samo na
>> jedan dan.
Samosam se grubo našalio. Dok sam pročitao svoju poruku, već sam se pokajao.
P.S. Podesi dužinu linije u editoru Sezama, da ne bi dolazilo do onih
neprijatnih preloma.
sf.200dr.grba,
>> Počeo sam da skidam biografije SF pisaca.
Odakle?
>> Pa povodom toga sam tužno zaključio kako mi sve to zapravo trpamo
>> na gomilu ovde.
Neka, samo daj, razvrstaće svako koga interesuje.
>> ...Bilo bi lepo da nam tema živne. Ko zna možda jednog
Naravno. Ova tema je dovoljna, cela konf bi raspršila raspravu.
Ako zatreba neka pomoć u referenci, dojavi, proveriću u SF enciklopediji.
sf.201jerry,
> P.S. Podesi duzinu linije u editoru Sezama, da ne bi dolazilo do onih
> neprijatnih preloma.
Izvinjavam se. Vidim i ja i vidim da je ruuuuuzno. Pisem u SDW-u
(notepad - windows) tako da nemam bas osecaj koliki mi je red.
sf.202dcolak,
│ Izvinjavam se. Vidim i ja i vidim da je ruuuuuzno. Pisem u SDW-u
│ (notepad - windows) tako da nemam bas osecaj koliki mi je red.
Pišti u QEdit-u u prozoru. Ja tako pišem otkad je SDW-a...
Sledge DAMMIR!
sf.203spantic,
> Odakle?
Objavljivane su kao poruke u nekoj od SF grupa na Internetu.
Ako te tačno zanima mogu da vidim u kojoj, a ja sam krenuo da
ih skidam sa NIC.FUNET.FI.
sf.204darone,
>> (...) u zamenu za komplet StripArt-a (...)
Aiiiiii! Da nemaš još koji komplet? :)
sf.205corto,
> Aiiiiii! Da nemas jos koji komplet? :)
Jedini koji sam imao je napisao sam gde....to je bilo doosta
davno...BTW, Ervin Rustemagic je u inostranstvu, zajedno sa vecinom
materijala koji je ipak spasao iz Sarajeva. Poginuli su neki Pahekovi i
Hermannovi originali :(
dJOLE
sf.206darone,
>> Poginuli su neki Pahekovi i Hermannovi originali :(
:(((
Paheka cenim za genija, Astroiđane za legendu :) Ali je ipak najbolji fazon iz
nekog stripića objavljenog u Stripoteci (šta to beše? :( )
"Jeste, zračiš inteligencijom" :)))
darone
p.s. primeniti na svakog pametnjakovića u društvu :)
p.p.s. o Hermanu sve najbolje :)
sf.207dejanr,
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TITLE: November 93
|DEL| "DO YOU HAVE THE INTERNET ON YOUR COMPUTER?"
|REY| The DEL REY BOOKS Internet Newsletter
Number 10 (November 1993)
WHAT'S NEW IN THE STORES==========================================
KING JAVAN'S YEAR by Katherine Kurtz. Paperback.
Volume Two of _The Heirs of Saint Camber_ series, and "riveting
reading--no, really, that's how I feel about it!" according to Kurtz's
editor. A lot of royal intrigue, machinating magic, and lust for
power goes on in this book, what with King Alroy dead and the former,
power-hungry regents plotting anew. But the new king, Javan, is
determined to be a true ruler and restore justice to the kingdom.
------------------------------------------------------------
THE BLACK LYNX by Elizabeth Boyer. Paperback.
Boyer writes high-sprited Norse fantasy. This is the sequel to THE
CLAN OF THE WARLORD, in which an orphaned witch-girl and a band of
wild boys tried to avenge their parents' murder and find some lost
treasure. Having totally failed, in this book it's back to the
drawing board to find a more forgiving strand in the Web of Life, in
which they can finally succeed in thwarting the treacherous Dark Elves
and then find that lost treasure. Obligatory Norse feel with
unexpectedly funny bits.
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PENNTERRA by Judith Moffett. Paperback.
This is the first novel by the author of the _New York Times_ Notable
titles THE RAGGED WORLD and TIME, LIKE AN EVER-ROLLING STREAM, and
it's one of my favorite colony-world novels ever. A group of
peaceful, low-tech colonists arrive on a lush Earthlike planet only
to be told by the planet's natives, the bizarre hrossa, that machinery
is forbidden and they cannot expand beyond the valley they first
settled--by order of the planet itself. The colonists accept this
disappointing news--but then another colony ship arrives, full of
people who would rather fight the rules than adapt to them. And the
planet fights back. Lots of good characterization that makes you
believe in and care about the characters, neat ideas about aliens, sex
that matters to the plot, and a portrayal of a religious group- -the
first settlers are Quakers--that's neither cloying nor a substitute
for character development. PENNTERRA was published before by Congdon
& Weed and Worldwide, and got great reviews, but has been impossible
to find for years. Orson Scott Card said of it then, "This is
storytelling of the best sort. The people of PENNTERRA will be with
me forever." I feel the same way.
------------------------------------------------------------
THE BIG EMPTY by James Luceno. Paperback.
In a weird, dark look at the middle-distant future, THE BIG EMPTY
covers a lot of sf's less-trodden ground: AIs kept in check by a
manufactured religion (data-disk holy wafers, anyone?), the fine
future line between the entertainment and war industries, the secret
life of machines, and what might drive human beings to feel like (or
want to be) machine intelligences instead. It's satire, not
cyberpunk, but it has the feel of the latter at times, and Luceno's
vision of the future has great cultural details. Lewis Shiner calls
THE BIG EMPTY "a tour de force of wit and invention--a cunning parable
of modern warfare."
DEL REY DATA======================================================
November books:
THE CHRONICLES OF PERN: FIRST FALL by Anne McCaffrey (SF)
A Pern short-story collection; 345-36898-3
Hardcover, 304 pp; cover art by Keith Parkinson
WANDERER by Donald E. McQuinn (SF)
Sequel to WARRIOR; 345-37840-7
Trade paperback, 608 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
JACK THE BODILESS by Julian May (SF)
First book in _The Galactic Milieu_ trilogy; 345-36247-0
Paperback, 480 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
SORCEROUS SEA by Carol Severance (F)
Third book in the _Island Warrior_ series; 345-37446-0
Paperback, 272 pp; cover art by Mark Harrison
THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY by Karen Ripley (SF)
First book in the _Slow World_ trilogy; 345-38120-3
Paperback, 240 pp; cover art by Nicholas Jainschigg
CHIMERA by Mary Rosenblum (SF)
345-38528-4
Paperback, 336 pp; cover art by Peter Peebles
THE CHANGING LAND and DILVISH THE DAMNED by Roger Zelazny (SF)
345-34441-3 and 345-33417-5
Paperback repackages, 245 pp and 215 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
------------------------------------------------------------
December books:
KING JAVAN'S YEAR by Katherine Kurtz (F)
345-38478-4
Paperback, 514 pp; cover art by Michael Herring
THE BLACK LYNX by Elizabeth Boyer (F)
345-37593-9
Paperback, 336 pp; cover art by Tim Hildebrandt
PENNTERRA by Judith Moffett (SF)
345-37824-5
Paperback, 352 pp; cover art by Peter Peebles
THE BIG EMPTY by James Luceno (SF)
345-37449-5
Paperback, 352 pp; cover art by Peter Gudynas
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January books:
WORLDWAR: IN THE BALANCE by Harry Turtledove (SF)
345-38241-2
Hardcover, 496 pp; cover art by Bob Eggleton
THE SPOILS OF WAR by Alan Dean Foster (SF)
Book Three of _The Damned_; 345-37576-9
Paperback, 304 pp; cover art by Barclay Shaw
THE GOBLIN MIRROR by C. J. Cherryh (F)
345-38476-8
Paperback, 320 pp; cover art by David Cherry
HOSTILE TAKEOVER by Jack McKinney (SF)
Book Four of _The Black Hole Travel Agency_; 345-37079-1
Paperback, 368 pp; cover art by Bruce Jensen
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DRIN Availability (All the ways to get the DRIN online)
1. read it the first few days of the month on rec.arts.sf.written,
GEnie's Del Rey topic on the SFRT, or CompuServe's SF Library 5*;
2. send your e-mail address to ekh@panix.com to be added to the
subscriber list and have the DRIN delivered to your mailbox the
first or second working day of the month;
3. get a copy from the Del Rey fileserver* (delrey@tachyon.com) by
sending e-mail with "SENDME newsletter.current" as the body of the
message (or send "HELP" for full instructions);
4. read it on the Panix gopher* (gopher.panix.com; choose the DRIN
subdirectory).
*Back issues also available
BIBLIOGRAPHY: H. P. Lovecraft=====================================
I'm no expert on H. P. Lovecraft, so I'll just give the basics. H and
P stand for Howard and Phillips. Lovecraft wrote supernatural
fiction, the most famous and enduring examples of which share a
setting he called the Cthulhu Mythos. Lovecraft's writing employs
many, many adjectives, and has what seems to be a strong cult
following. His books are still popular, even though he died in 1937
and wrote extremely little thereafter. Next Halloween, Del Rey plans
to publish a trade volume collecting many of Lovecraft's short
stories; this book, along with our previous trade paperback,
BLOODCURDLING TALES OF HORROR AND THE MACABRE, and a third book to be
published in 1995, should collect all of Lovecraft's short fiction in
tasty trade paperback format for those who don't want to spring for
the handsome Arkham House hardcovers.
This is by no means a complete bibliography, but just the Del Rey and
Ballantine titles. TALES OF THE CTHULHU MYTHOS and THE SHUTTERED ROOM
are Ballantine and out of print; the rest are Del Rey and in print.
Titles are listed chronologically by publication date, and all are
fantasy/horror.
THE DREAM-QUEST OF UNKNOWN KADATH (5/70; 345-33779-4)
THE TOMB AND OTHER TALES (12/70; 345-33661-5)
AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS AND OTHER TALES OF TERROR (1/71;
345-32945-7)
THE LURKING FEAR AND OTHER STORIES (1/71; 345-32604-0)
THE DOOM THAT CAME TO SARNATH AND OTHER STORIES (2/71; 345-33105-2)
THE SHUTTERED ROOM AND OTHER TALES OF HORROR (4/71; 345-23229-1)
TALES OF THE CTHULHU MYTHOS by Lovecraft and others (5/71;
345-23226-7)
THE CASE OF CHARLES DEXTER WARD (8/71; 345-35490-7)
BLOODCURDLING TALES OF HORROR AND THE MACABRE (10/82; 345-35080-4)
IN DEPTH==========================================================
Karen Ripley has published three books so far, with two more on the
way. PRISONER OF DREAMS and THE TENTH CLASS are solid, well-written
space adventure; THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY and the next two _Slow
World_ books, THE WARDEN OF HORSES and THE ALCHEMIST OF TIME, are more
complicated and eerie. Horses play a large part in this trilogy, as
does amnesia, an alternate world, and a very strange culture lacking
something we count on--memory. Karen Ripley spends her winters
writing books, and the other three seasons dealing with real-life
events that are stranger than fiction.
Writing and Real Life
As a writer, a farmer, and a veterinarian, I've always tried to keep
my careers separated. But sometimes I can't help but see just how
similar they really are. All three fields are an uneven mix of
perception and reality, exhilaration and drudgery, seat-of-the-pants
art and nuts-and- bolts craft.
Most people know me as a veterinarian, so if they find out that I also
write books, they immediately assume I've done a James Herriot.
They're usually disappointed or perplexed when I explain that I write
science fiction and fantasy. "Why don't you write about the things
that've happened to you?" they ask. Maybe they're secretly wishing
I'd write about them . . . If they only knew!
I've always viewed science fiction and fantasy as less of an escape
from reality than as a possible explanation for it, a sort of buffer
zone between logic and what really happens in the world. I suppose
I could write about some of the things that I've seen in veterinary
practice, but if I did, I'm not sure that anyone would believe me.
Cases like the sick calf that arrived bundled up in the back seat of
a car, wrapped in bed sheets (you don't want to know!), or the woman
who was worried about her German Shepherd catching "gentle herpes"
from her husband (you _really_ don't want to know!) still have me
scratching my head, even years later. I guess writing fiction is my
way of leveling out that mental playing field in my head, or trying
to rationalize the giddy irrationality of life.
What my disappointed clients don't realize is that much of the time
I _am_ writing about them. Maybe Mrs. Smith and her puking poodle or
Mr. Jones and his allergic cat won't ever find themselves or their
pets among the pages of my books, but they can rest assured that I've
used them, nonetheless. Every character I create comes from two
sources. Because they are my creations, each one of them must come
at least partially from something inside of me. But beyond that, each
one is a composite of real people, people I have had either the
fortune or misfortune of having known in my everyday life. If I've
done my job well, most of those people will never recognize
themselves!
For example, Taylor, one of the characters in THE TENTH CLASS, is a
fairly faithful composite of three men I actually know. Most women
who read the book really _like_ Taylor, and I know why. He takes his
general appearance from one man, his sunny disposition from another,
and his genial polish--his "sincere greasiness"--from a third. (So,
guys--gotcha!)
Occasionally someone will ask me if my female main characters are
based on myself. Of course--although I'm a lot better looking :).
Actually I'd be happy to let my principal female characters act as
surrogates for me as they wind their way through the maze of the
books' plots. But just as with all the other characters I've created,
I've liberally borrowed from the people I've met in real life to give
them their appearances, temperaments, quirks, and foibles. So far,
I've never given one of them a German Shepherd . . . but you never
know.
Not only do most of the people I've known end up in the "character
file" I keep in my head, but many of the things that have happened to
me, no matter how weird or bizarre, are deposited there as well. No
twist of plot or caprice of fate is too incredible to be topped by
something I've seen in real life. In fact, I've got a lot of
experiences stored away in my head that I'm afraid I could never use
in writing science fiction or fantasy--they're just so wacky that no
one would believe them. And then there are all of those things that
would never pass my publisher's seal of good taste. So when people
ask, "Where do you come up with these ideas?" it's hard to explain
that I rarely have to make up any of them and that the real challenge
isn't in selecting an idea, it's in reinventing it in a form that is
somewhat more consistent with logic.
Which brings me back to my contention that writing science fiction and
fantasy is just another way of trying to make some sense of what
already actually exists, just in a much more chaotic and less credible
form, in the real world.
You probably still haven't figured out what being a farmer has to do
with all this. I'm not totally sure of that myself, except that I'm
convinced that all of life's necessary lessons can be learned from
farming. Unfortunately, for most of us a _living_ can't be earned
from farming, which is where those other two careers come in handy.
--Karen Ripley
Q & A=============================================================
Q: In the October Q&A, you indicated Katherine Kurtz was working on
other Deryni books and that the Childe Morgan series wouldn't be
out for a while. Can you let us know what some of the work in
progress is?
A: Kurtz's next book is THE BASTARD PRINCE, the conclusion to the
_Heirs of Saint Camber_ series. It will be out in hardcover in June.
After that, her next book will be KING KELSON'S BRIDE, which follows
THE QUEST FOR SAINT CAMBER.
Q: I submitted a manuscript to Del Rey almost five years ago and the
novel received a well-deserved rejection. Since then, the novel
has been completely revised, restructured, rewritten--basically
gutted. Is it inappropriate to submit it again now that it is a
new animal?
A: No, it's not inappropriate. Be sure to mention, though, that you
did submit it once before, long ago, in very different form--otherwise
there's a small chance the slush reader might find it familiar and
assume you're just resubmitting the same old (rejected) manuscript.
In general, you have to use your own best judgment on questions like
this one. Is the revised manuscript really so different or so
improved that the editors might change their minds about it? My
off-the-cuff advice would be that it's appropriate to resubmit if you
understand why the manuscript was rejected the first time around--and
have dealt with the weaknesses in your revision. If you have no idea
why your manuscript was rejected and can't be confident that it's
better this time around, don't resubmit.
Q: When does Barbara Hambly plan to put out her third book in _Sun
Cross_? Also, I'm curious about the magic system that she uses
in her works. Has she said anything about its origins?
A: Not much of an answer for you at the moment--Hambly has no plans
for a third _Sun Cross_ book at present, and we don't have any special
details of her magic system, though it's obviously well thought out
and consistent.
Q: Can you tell me if certain parts of the country get new books
before other parts of the country? I used to live on the East
Coast, and we always got things right away. Out here (Tucson),
movies get here sometimes weeks after they've played in other
cities. And books seem to lag behind other cities, too.
A: We ship books to the West Coast first (in the "first wave") in
order to get on-sale dates that are the same across the country.
However, certain places are more difficult to reach, and books
sometimes get to those places a little later. Also, bookstores don't
always shelve their newly received books right away, so our books
might be in your store, but back in a shipping room somewhere hidden
in a box. It's always worthwhile to ask the store if you know a book
is out but can't find it on their shelves.
Q: A friend of mine really enjoys reading HP Lovecraft, and I was
wondering if there was anywhere on the net that I could find a
list of all the books that Del Rey or other publishing companies
have out?
A: Lovecraft's Del Rey books are listed in the Del Rey bibliography
section above. In addition, Arkham House publishes a "definitive
Lovecraft" five-volume hardcover set: THE DUNWICH HORROR AND OTHERS
(1984), AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS AND OTHER NOVELS (1985), DAGON AND
OTHER MACABRE TALES (1986), THE HORROR IN THE MUSEUM AND OTHER
REVISIONS (1970, reissued 1989), and MISCELLANEOUS WRITINGS
(forthcoming). There were other books published by and about
Lovecraft; I'd suggest you consult THE SCIENCE FICTION ENCYCLOPEDIA
or Books in Print for more details.
IMHO: Whither the Internet?======================================
With the DRIN, Del Rey is participating in what I think is the most
exciting part of the information age--the global network. Now the
Internet means that people can form active, lively communities based
on what their interests are, not where they live. Soon it may mean
that large numbers of people can work one place (or many places) and
live in another. And having an easy and cheap way to make contact
with groups that share a focused interest may eventually change the
way companies that cater to those interests do business.
The Internet has certainly changed _my_ job description: I now spend
the equivalent of one working day a week online, plus the hours
putting together the DRIN offline. And now other segments of the
publishing world--beyond sf editors--are discovering the Internet and
the commercial networks as potential new media and new ways to reach
broad markets. Our publicity department asked me recently to post a
list of Douglas Adams's signing/reading tour dates on the Internet;
since there's an obvious place for the information
(alt.fan.douglas-adams), I agreed. But when they wanted me to post
a press release on our INTERNET DIRECTORY book, I went into my
no-commercial-traffic spiel.
And last month I got an e-mail press release announcing that Viking
Penguin was putting a Stephen King story online for downloading--at
a price. My first thought was to wonder where the press release had
been posted, and what the reaction to it was. And even though my
presence on the Internet is, at least in part, an official one, this
e-press release gave me a feeling of foreboding. Publishers and other
businesses are suddenly becoming aware of the potential of the
Internet--and may not see (or may choose not to see) the
anticommercialism that has been an important part of Internet culture.
Those new to the idea of computer networks seem to have a hard time
distinguishing the public, nonprofit, noncommercial Internet from
CompuServe, GEnie, Prodigy, and other services that operate for profit
and welcome for-profit endeavors.
The Internet population is exploding right now, and the feel of the
"place" itself may be on the verge of major renovation, noncommercial
tradition or no. But if people on the Internet work it right,
commercialization might not be unmitigatedly bad. Here's what I mean:
If more businesses are aware of and present on the networks in some
form, more day-to-day business will eventually get transacted online;
there will be the usual exchanges of information, but there will also
be routine exchanges of labor for money, and exchanges of money for
goods and services. Since ours is a highly consumer-oriented society,
the net's expansion into a platform for economic exchange is likely
to hasten its integration into mass culture. And if the global net
functions as a medium for commerce, it will probably undergo more
rapid advancement in hardware and software--driven by market forces
instead of science and education--than it will without business
traffic. It may not be the Internet anymore, but it could well be a
network with all the features of the present-day Internet--plus more.
And it will probably be accessible to many more people.
For example, the most ambitious future net environment I've come
across in sf in a long time is in Mary Rosenblum's new novel, CHIMERA,
which takes place in a near future in which almost all legitimate
business (and a lot of illegitimate business, too, and art, and sex)
happens on the net. People have virtual offices and virtual business
personae, and the workplace is not a place, but a decentralized medium
accessible with minimal hardware. In that world, business made the
net its own. And to me, the book stands as a reminder that
commercialization will probably propel network software and hardware
toward "cyberspace" faster than any other pressure.
So the commercial invasion won't be all bad. But how can we, as
denizens of the current pretty-much-commercialization-free Internet,
get the good stuff--convenient availability of goods and services,
lots of (free) information about those goods and services, increased
customer-company interaction, and better network technology--without
letting business take over the net? One simple tactic would be to act
as a relatively unified body, not doing net-business with companies
that don't follow our rules. So what are those rules? Obviously,
they'd have to be agreed upon by a majority of people on the Internet.
I like the idea that any commercial material could be made available
passively (on a gopher, or at an FTP site owned by a company, or via
a fileserver), but very little or none could be posted on newsgroups,
built into software, or sent to individuals via mailing lists.
Especially when those mailing lists, as one respondent to last month's
DRIN pointed out, might be built by companies scanning the newsgroups
for posts on topics related to their product and compiling those
posters' net addresses. The potential for Big Brother-style
commercial activity exists--and before commercialization takes off,
we should think about how to keep the net from becoming just a
super-high-tech vehicle for products, with all the convenience of a
virtual shopping mall and all the personality, too.
I'm doing my best to put information about science fiction and fantasy
on the net for people who are interested, and to avoid hype while
doing so. I hope that a side-effect of the DRIN might be to serve as
an example of acceptable Internet use for other parts of the
publishing industry, and maybe even other businesses as well. Sounds
grandiose, I guess, but you never know!
Ellen Key Harris
Editor
Del Rey Books
ekh@panix.com/E.Harris1 on GEnie |DEL|
==============================================================|REY|
sf.208mr.bagins,
Verovatno ovo nije pravo mesto, ali pošto ne prate svi oglase, evo:
Prodajem "The Chronicles of Thomas Covennant" od Stephena Donaldsona, svih 6
knjiga, na engleskom, paperback. Knjige su u dobro očuvane.
Ponude slati na mail.
sf.209oldtimer,
> Prodajem "The Chronicles of Thomas Covennant" od Stephena Donaldsona, svih
A da se lepo zamenimo, ja imam naše izdanje koje je verovatno lakše
prodati, a rado bih sačuvao original. Javi se u mail.
B) Miša
sf.210iknezevic,
Sta mislite da malo razmrdate svoje vijuge i da napisete najvece
kvazinaucne gafove u (dobrom) sf-u (mislim na ozbiljne knjige,a ne na
"rat zvezda", "galaktiku" i sl.) ?
Za pocetak: Koliko se secam, u "Analima Hicija" Frederik Pol iznosi
zanimljivu ideju o usadjivanju ljudskih fetusa u kravlje materice, radi
ukidanja trudnoce. Nije se samo setio da se u toku razvoja fetusov i
majcin krvotok spajaju...
sf.211dr.grba,
>> Za pocetak: Koliko se secam, u "Analima Hicija" Frederik Pol iznosi
Doka sam čitao prvi pasus tvoje poruke, odmah mi padoše na pamet "Anali
Hičija"... A kad sam pročittao drugi, samo sam se nasmejao. Uhvatili smo
se iste knjige.
Naime, već prva i osnovna postavka u celoj seriji jeste da su se jadni mali
Hičiji sakrili u crnu rupu! Pa u "analima Hičija" onaj tip odlazi u posetu
crnoj rupi, pa zbog zakrivljenja prostor-vremena na zemlji prođe nekoliko
godina dok se on ispiša...
Sve je to lepo i mamno, ali me živo zanima otkud im ideja o svetovima u crnoj
rupi, i kako to oni misle da napuste crnu rupu? Kada bi bilo moguće napustiti
crnu rupu, ona to ne bi ni bila!
Valjda su neki od vas pročitali divnu knjigu Stivena Hokinga, "Kratka povest
vremena" (ko nije, neka to učini: neće se pokajati!). U knjizi, bez i reda
matematike, čovek lepo obrazlaže matematičke postulate ovog našeg kosmosa,
a priča i o crnim rupama kao artefaktima na kojima matematički modeli obično
doživljavaju svoj brodolom....
Elem, Hoking nam objašnjava da u slučaju da upadnemo u crnu rupu i preživimo
tu gravitaciju, doživeli bismo belu smrt - svo vreme do kraja kosmosa bi bilo
sabijeno u jedan tren našeg postojanja. A ne bismo je mogli napustiti. Crna
rupa se tako naziva zato što ni svetlost ne može da se otrgne od nje. Trebala
bi, dakle, brzina veća od brzine svetlosti. Po istom modelu, Hoking objašnjava
zašto su brzine veće od brzine svetlosti u ovom kosmosu nemoguće....
I tu dolazimo i do druge debele nedoslednosti Frederika Pola: brodovi Hičija
putuju po svoj prilici ubrzanjem od 1 G, jer je putnicima ubrzanje udobno. A
tamo za par dana brod prevazilazi brzinu c i nastavlja dalje da ubrzava. Sve
mi miriše još i na grešku u računu pride...
sf.212dejanr,
>> I tu dolazimo i do druge debele nedoslednosti Frederika Pola: brodovi
>> Hičija putuju po svoj prilici ubrzanjem od 1 G, jer je putnicima
>> ubrzanje udobno. A tamo za par dana brod prevazilazi brzinu c i
>> nastavlja dalje da ubrzava. Sve mi miriše još i na grešku u računu
>> pride...
Zašto? Brod bi se mogao kretati i ubrzanjem mnogo većim od 1 g a da putnici
ne osećaju posebnu nelagodu. Treba "samo" da ima način da upravlja
gravitacionim poljem u svojoj unutrašnjosti.
>> Sve je to lepo i mamno, ali me živo zanima otkud im ideja o svetovima u
>> crnoj rupi, i kako to oni misle da napuste crnu rupu? Kada bi bilo moguće
>> napustiti crnu rupu, ona to ne bi ni bila!
Kada u SF romanu ne bi bilo moguće napustiti crnu rupu, naučna fantastika ne
bi to ni bila - fantastika :) Ni čovek sam po sebi ne može da napusti
Zemlju i ode do meseca, ali je napravio mašine koje to omogućavaju. Dakle,
zamislive su i mašine pomoću kojih bi se, možda kroz neku N-tu dimenziju,
izlazilo iz crnih rupa. Uzmi u obzir da su Hičiji imali par miliona godina
razvoja više nego ljudi, dakle sasvim "logično" da im je i tehnologija
napradnija pa mogu i neke stvari koje mi uopšte ne umemo da objasnimo.
sf.213novim,
" Kada u SF romanu ne bi bilo moguće napustiti crnu
" rupu, naučna fantastika ne bi to ni bila - fantastika
jeste, a posle grdiš lrp, pa Tolstojevski popi batine :))
cccc :)
sf.214niklaus,
(:> Zašto? Brod bi se mogao kretati i ubrzanjem mnogo većim od 1 g a
(:> da putnici ne osećaju posebnu nelagodu. Treba "samo" da ima način
(:> da upravlja gravitacionim poljem u svojoj unutrašnjosti.
Ex, pa i to je (za sada) naučna fantastika... (:
(:niklaus:)
ps Upravo me drmnu misao koju je izrekao moj profesor astronomije na
svojem zadnjem času:"...sanjario sam da ćemo doživeti da čovek zagazi
na neko drugo nebesko telo, vama (želim i) predviđam put kroz prostor,
odnosno, jelte, teleport..."
pps I ja živim za taj dan... (:
sf.215prvul,
ŮSve je to lepo i mamno, ali me živo zanima otkud im ideja o svetovima u
Ůcrnoj rupi, i kako to oni misle da napuste crnu rupu? Kada bi bilo moguće
Ůnapustiti crnu rupu, ona to ne bi ni bila!
Ů▄▄
Onošto nama sada izgleda nemoguće jednoga dana možda neće biti nemoguće.
Npr. za izlazak iz crne rupe bi mogla da se "razbije" dotična. To
podrazumeva tolike količine energije, a i preciznost da bi se pri svemu
tome još i preživelo, da čak ni teorijski nemam ideje kako da se tolika
energija "ušvercuje" u crnu rupu a zatim oslobodi... ali verovatno nekada
davno ljudi nisu znali kako da nađu toliku energiju da odlete na Mesec...
ŮValjda su neki od vas pročitali divnu knjigu Stivena Hokinga, "Kratka
Ůpovest vremena" (ko nije, neka to učini: neće se pokajati!). U knjizi,
Ůbez i reda matematike, čovek lepo obrazlaže matematičke postulate ovog
Ůnašeg kosmosa, a priča i o crnim rupama kao artefaktima na kojima
Ůmatematički modeli obično doživljavaju svoj brodolom....
Ů▄▄
Pa baš u tome i jeste štos... kad-tad će se pojaviti formule za "rešavanje"
singulariteta, a onda će se već naći nešto u njima što će dozvoliti da se
sa crnim rupama izvode razne stvari za koje sada nemamo blagu ideju...
Ůbi, dakle, brzina veća od brzine svetlosti. Po istom modelu, Hoking
Ůobjašnjava zašto su brzine veće od brzine svetlosti u ovom kosmosu
Ůnemoguće....
Ů▄▄
Hoking objašnjava nešto što se izgleda pokazuje kao netačno (tahioni),
što samo govori u prilog tezi da će današnju nauku jednoga dana smatrati
za mračni misticizam zasnovan na neproverenim postulatima.
sf.216dejanr,
>> > Kada u SF romanu ne bi bilo moguće napustiti crnu
>> > rupu, naučna fantastika ne bi to ni bila - fantastika
>>
>> jeste, a posle grdiš lrp, pa Tolstojevski popi batine :))
Nisam shvatio poentu - Tolstoj, kol'ko znam, nije pisao naučnu
fantastiku. Doduše, jeste onaj drugi Tolstoj, Aleksej.
sf.217dejanr,
>> Ex, pa i to je (za sada) naučna fantastika... (:
Pa naravno, zar sam rekao da nije? Ako već pretpostavljamo da bi neko
mogao da ima nadsvetlosni pogon, zašto ne bi mogao i da kontroliše
gravitaciono polje? Dakle, tu nema posebne protivrečnosti kod F. Pola.
Ono za krave i fetuse mi već izgleda kao mnogo ozbiljniji problem.
>> put kroz prostor, odnosno, jelte, teleport..."
>>
>> pps I ja živim za taj dan... (:
A zamisli neka priučena žena - vozač tramv... upravljač teleporta ne primeti
neku skretnicu, pa te nakrivo sastave? ;))
sf.218novim,
" Nisam shvatio poentu - Tolstoj, kol'ko znam, nije
" pisao naučnu fantastiku. Doduše, jeste onaj drugi
je l' da otvorimo i drugi krug? lrp versus crrp (crna rupa)?
uh. :)
ne funkcionišu li, ako se tako sme reći, crne rupe u novijoj
fizici na način analogan božanstvima u starijim kosmogonijama?
što ne mora da znači da pretpostavka o njima nije bez značajne
epistemološke funkcije, onakve kakvu ogromnu ulogu igra,
recimo, pretpostavka o nesvesnom u psihoanalizi (pretpostavka
koja joj je donela značajnu teorijsku, pa i praktičnu prednost
nad skoro svim drugim, a naročito empirijskim psihologijama).
ako je tako, od crne rupe do lrp-a je mali korak. na to sam
mislio (moja analogija je, dopuštam itekako, možda veoma
pogrešna. kad je fenomen crnih rupa u pitanju, polazim, naime,
od toga da se o njima tako reći ništa pozitivno ne zna - sva
bitna znanja o njima su posredovana i, zapravo, teorijska. da
li grešim u tome?)
sf.219dejanr,
>> ne funkcionišu li, ako se tako sme reći, crne rupe u novijoj
>> fizici na način analogan božanstvima u starijim kosmogonijama?
Ovo bi pre bilo za susednu temu 'zvezde' ali, sa strane definicije,
nema ništa posebno "božansko" u vezi sa crnim rupama. žista matematika
- masa dovoljno velika da može da skrene elektromagnetno zračenje,
dakle i svetlost. Ništa iz nje ne izlazi. Plajvaz u ruke, znaju se
parametri pa se izračuna.
Naravno, takav singularitet u prostoru mora da mami i maštu, dakle
šta bi bilo kada bi se neko tu našao, šta bi bilo sa vremenom (takođe
se može računati, do neke granice ;), dal' bi se ipak moglo izaći kada
se jednom zađe pod lokalni horizont itd. Dobra tema za SF romane.
>> kad je fenomen crnih rupa u pitanju, polazim, naime, od toga da
>> se o njima tako reći ništa pozitivno ne zna - sva bitna znanja
>> o njima su posredovana i, zapravo, teorijska. da li grešim u tome?
Ne grešiš, utoliko što niko još nije otišao i posetio neku od dotičnih,
a kako stoje stvari neće je skoro ni posetiti. Takođe, crne rupe nisu
baš neposredno viđene, mada izgleda da se sada smatra da je postojanje
nekih dokazano. Znanja svakako jesu teorijska, jer sve počinje od
matematičke apstrakcije, ali je mnogo toga i provereno, opet posredno.
Međutim, ima i mnogo bližih stvari koje tek posredno poznajemo. Recimo,
elektroni - svaki dan milione njih držimo u ruci, a opet sam elektron još
nismo videli. Pa ipak znamo brojne njegove osobine, i veoma smo ih korisno
primenili :)
sf.220dr.grba,
>> Kada u SF romanu ne bi bilo moguće napustiti crnu rupu, naučna
>> fantastika ne bi to ni bila - fantastika :) Ni čovek sam po sebi ne
Pre nego što zagrejemo raspravu, a nešto miriše da hoćemo, da razlučimo
pojmove "fantastika" i "naučna fantastika". Jedna od glavnih razlika je
odnos prema okvirnim ograničenjima koja se koriste u priči. Naučna fantastika
koristi elemente već poznatog i dokazanog, i to se poštuje. Uz takvo poštovanje
dokazanih naučnih principa obično se dodaju neke neistražene hipoteze kao
provaljene ovako ili onako, stavljaju u funkciju priče i tako se obezbeđuje
pomak u odnosu na postojeću realnost. To je ono što nazivamo naučnom
fantastikom. Ono što u širem okviru nazivamo fantastikom nije toliko stroga
kategorija - u opštoj fantastici je moguće iz korena promeniti neku osnovnu
postavku i time srušiti celu civilizaciju, a potom izgraditi novu. Zamislite
npr. tvrdnju da penicilin trajno ubrzava proces mišljenja, ali proporcionalno
skraćuje život. I svaka sledeća doza samo povećava rezultate... Već na ovoj
tvrdnji svako od nas bi za pola sata mogao da sastavi priču. E, ta priča bi se
mogla nazvati FANTASTIKOM, nikako NAUžNOM FANTASTIKOM, jer je svaki student
medicine u stanju da objasni mehanizam dejstva penicilina, kao i da dokaže
da prethodna tvrdnja nije tačna.
Jedan pisac SF-a reče, mislim Kliford Simak, da on razliku između fantastike
i naučne fantastike vidi kroz mogućnost mačke da progovori ljudskim jezikom:
naime, pouzdano se zna da mačka nema anatomske predispozicije potrebne za
govor. Priča u kojoj se neko biće useljava u telo mačke i potom kroz nju govori
nikako ne bi smela da se smatra SF-om.
Poštujem baš ovakav prilaz stvari, i u onom pitanju o nedoslednostima u SF-u
mi odmah dođe u misao taj mačkin govor; i kravina materica je analogna tome.
E, na ovom nivou, pominjući Hokinga, ja sam osporio Pola.
Sada bih mogao, tačnije ne mogu da odolim nečemu što je svojevrsno obaranje
mog sopstvenog stava. Upravo obaranjem jednog jedinog, petog postulata
geometrije dobili smo geometriju Lobačevskog, neobičnu, ali koherentnu.
Da ne bi sve ostalo na papiru, negde sam čuo (molim za pomoć ili opovrgavanje!)
da postoji valjan matematički model interstelarnog kretanja poduprt geometrijom
Lobačevskog i kojim se pokazuje da prava, euklidska duž ne mora predstavljati
najkraće rastojanje između dve tačke. E, sad: fantastika, naučna fantastika,
spekulacija, artizam u matematici.... kako bismo ovo nazvali?
sf.221dr.grba,
>> Pa baš u tome i jeste štos... kad-tad će se pojaviti formule za
>> "rešavanje" singulariteta, a onda će se već naći nešto u njima što
Zbilja, ne znam.... Ovo mi pomalo liči na deljenje nulom.
sf.222dr.grba,
>> A zamisli neka priučena žena - vozač tramv... upravljač teleporta
>> ne primeti neku skretnicu, pa te nakrivo sastave? ;))
Posle filma "Muva" - daleko im lepa kuća! (:
sf.223dr.grba,
>> pogrešna. kad je fenomen crnih rupa u pitanju, polazim, naime,
>> od toga da se o njima tako reći ništa pozitivno ne zna - sva
>> bitna znanja o njima su posredovana i, zapravo, teorijska. da
>> li grešim u tome?)
Nisam siguran da te razumem, ali valjda je dokazano - i lokalizovano - njihovo
postojanje. Ostale tvrdnje koje izvodimo o crnim rupama potiču od matematike,
zar ne? I to one iste matematike koja je pomogla da se uopšte dođe do saznanja
o crnim rupama...
Da li ćemo ova saznanja smatrati teorijskim, ili ih smatrati realnim - ja to
vidim kao rezultat dedukcije, a praktično opipavanje je ono što proširuje,
a ne dovodi u sumnju neki naučni postulat.
sf.224zormi,
* Sve je to lepo i mamno, ali me živo zanima otkud im ideja o svetovima u
* crnoj rupi, i kako to oni misle da napuste crnu rupu?
Slažem se uz izvesne ograde. Naime, jednačine relativističke fizike
prestaju da važe u crnoj rupi (singularitet) pa se još uvek ne može
modelirati šta bi se tu ustvari zaista dogadjalo.
Hoking je npr. dokazao da crna rupa može da ispušta svetlost (fotone), ali
kako: na granici crne rupe stvore se čestica i antičestica, antičestica
upadne u crnu rupu i potre se unutra sa česticom, a preostala čestica
odleti dalje. Rezultat: isti kao da je jedna čestica napustila crnu rupu.
Naravno, ovo je uprošćeno objašnjenje Hokingovog uprošćenog objašnjenja. ;)
sf.225zormi,
* Ne grešiš, utoliko što niko još nije otišao i posetio neku od dotičnih,
* a kako stoje stvari neće je skoro ni posetiti. Takođe, crne rupe nisu
* baš neposredno viđene, mada izgleda da se sada smatra da je postojanje
* nekih dokazano.
Svojevremeno su se Hoking i (čini mi se) Penzijas opkladili da li je ili
nije Labud X-1 izvor ustvari rupetina. Elem, poslednje što sam čuo je
procena od 80% verovatnoće da jeste. Inače, kladili su se u petogodišnju
pretplatu na Playboy. Hoking: pošto sam se kladio da nije rupa, ako se
dokaže da one zaista ne postoje, a posvetio sam im ceo život, tešiću se
uz časopise :)
sf.226zormi,
* Ono za krave i fetuse mi već izgleda kao mnogo ozbiljniji problem.
Upravo čitam "Prsten" Larija Nivena. Elem, istraživači stižu na veštački
izgradjen svet (prsten) na kome je sve sterilno i bez mikroba. Glavni junak
se kupa u vodopadu a onda izleće "da ne dobije zapaljenje pluća".
Pitanje: može li se to bez spoljnih koka bakterija?
sf.227wizard,
> Kada u SF romanu ne bi bilo moguće napustiti crnu rupu, naučna fantastika
> ne bi to ni bila - fantastika :)
A ne! Prava naučna fantastika ne sme sebi dopuštati proizvoljne
kvazi-naučne eksperimente. Sve "novo" mora biti objašnjeno i
protumačeno, bilo posredno ili neposredno, ali pre svega ipak zasnovano
na aktuelnim i važećim naučnim "istinama".
Ako to nije slučaj, sve prelazi u puku zabavu, space-operu ili čak
fantasy.
sf.228dejanr,
>> > Kada u SF romanu ne bi bilo moguće napustiti crnu rupu, naučna
>> > fantastika ne bi to ni bila - fantastika :)
>>
>> A ne! Prava naučna fantastika ne sme sebi dopuštati proizvoljne
>> kvazi-naučne eksperimente. Sve "novo" mora biti objašnjeno i
>> protumačeno, bilo posredno ili neposredno, ali pre svega ipak zasnovano
>> na aktuelnim i važećim naučnim "istinama".
Ma da, recimo udobno i efikasno putovanje svemirom koje je i dalje osnova
dobrog dela SF-a. Kako da ga uskladimo sa aktuelnom i važećom naučnom
istinom da se ne može kretati brzinom većom od svetlosne?
A ako se već može kretati brzinom većom od svetlosne, zašto se ne bi moglo
izaći iz crne rupe?
sf.229zormi,
*>> Pa baš u tome i jeste štos... kad-tad će se pojaviti formule za
*>> "rešavanje" singulariteta, a onda će se već naći nešto u njima što
*
*
* Zbilja, ne znam.... Ovo mi pomalo liči na deljenje nulom.
Bilo bi ako se posmatraju relativističke jednačine. Medjutim, ako se
one pokažu kao specijalni slučaj, a mešanjem sa jednačinama kvantne
mehanike dobiju neke nove i opštije - možda u njima neće biti
singulariteta (a ne bi ni trebalo da bude, u prirodi nema ivica
ni beskonačnosti).
sf.230cobra,
<> Doka sam čitao prvi pasus tvoje poruke, odmah mi padoše na
<> pamet "Anali Hičija"...
E sada se i ja prisetih Anala. Ako se dobro sećam, brodovi Hičija
su se kretali brzinom većom od svetlosti, ali ne MNOGO većom. Mislim
2, 5 puta većom brzinom. Ali negde (ne znam da li je u Analima, ali
u ciklusu o Hičijima ) brodovi pređu rastojanje od 2000 svetlosnih
godina za nekoliko dana !!! Pa da je brzina brodova 10*c stigli bi
za 200 godina...
Ili je to bila neka druga knjiga ;)....
sf.231niklaus,
(:> izgradjen svet (prsten) na kome je sve sterilno i bez mikroba.
(:> Glavni junak se kupa u vodopadu a onda izleće "da ne dobije
(:> zapaljenje pluća". Pitanje: može li se to bez spoljnih koka
(:> bakterija?
Zdravorazumski gledano, glavni junak ne bi opstao više od 5-6 sati
na tom sterilnom svetu. Neophodno je svakodnevno unošenje bakterija u orga-
nizam (bitnih, pre svega, za sistem za varenje), bez čijeg prisustva bi nas-
tao haos u istom (50% unete hrane ne bi bilo svareno, usled čega bi se iz
hrane pod 1) izvuklo duplo manje energije, i pod 2) u organizam se uopšte ne
bi unele brojna vitalna jedinjenja).
Koliko znam, postoje ljudi sa oboljenjima te prirode, da ne bi bili
u stanju da podnesu "nesterilnost" naše okoline, tako da im je jedina nada
da prežive je u posebnim karantinima a'la staklena zvona. Možda bi samo takvi
mogli konkurisati za glavnu ulogu u Nivenovom romanu, mada preostaje problem
nepotpune ishrane.
(:niklaus:)
sf.232niklaus,
(:> A ako se već može kretati brzinom većom od svetlosne, zašto se ne
(:> bi moglo izaći iz crne rupe?
Ajnšajn daleko ispred otkrića crnih rupa. Možda se i zeznuo (brzina
svetlosti nije max), ili su se zeznuli astronomi-otkrivači (koji li su već)
pojma zvanog "crna rupa".
(:niklaus:)
sf.233dejanr,
>> Ako se dobro sećam, brodovi Hičija su se kretali brzinom
>> većom od svetlosti, ali ne MNOGO većom. Mislim 2, 5 puta
>> većom brzinom.
Mislim da nisi u pravu. Brodovi Hičija su se kretali gotovo neograničenim
brzinama, ali im je trebalo vreme da se "zalaufaju" i vreme da "prikoče".
Pol negde reče da kod njih nije konstantna ni brzina, ni ubrzanje, nego
*promena ubrzanja*, dakle treći izvod puta.
Ako izvadiš odgovarajući integral, videćeš kako se menja brzina pod tim
uslovima.
sf.234niklaus,
(:> Ajnšajn daleko ispred otkrića crnih rupa. Možda se i zeznuo
Htedoh reći Ajnštajn. Njega bolje znate. (:
(:niklaus:)
sf.235novim,
" dakle i svetlost. Ništa iz nje ne izlazi.
crno rupče, dakle, ne emituje nikakvu informaciju o sebi (za
razliku od elektrona, zar ne). svaka postavka o rupčetu se
otuda zasniva na informacijama koje emituju posrednici.
analogija s božanstvima je na mestu, utoliko što i ona ne
emituju informacije. e sad, da li su postavke o postojanju
crnih rupčadi iznete u fizici kako bi se ona, fizika, učinila
koherentnijom, pa se te postavke trpe, jer nema trenutno boljih
(to se onda zove heurističkom postavkom), ili, obratno, rupčići
ometaju - na neki bitan način - koherenciju današnje fizike (u
smislu: ma tamo ima nešto crno, nikako da to crno uklopimo u
naša današnja znanja)? u prvom slučaju rupčići jesu FICTION
(ništa strašno za nauku; istorija nauka itekako zna za vrlo
korisne, i to metodološki korisne fikcije! često se kroz takve
fikcije otkrivaju gomile stvari), u drugom slučaju rupčići jesu
PROBLEM. kako se uopšte klasifikuju, sa stanovišta fizike?
ipak, naravno da je relativno dokle ide nauka, a odakle počinje
mašta koja se oslanja na prethodnu. recimo, krajem XVI veka su
vetrenjače bile velika tehnička novotarija; sa tehničkim
novotarija idu i fantazmi. u Evropi tog doba se mislilo da su
ti aparati u sprezi s nečastivim. danas kad čitamo kako se Don
Kihot bije s vetrenjačom, izgleda nam budalasto. za čitaoca
onog doba, to je moglo izgledati kao razuman otpor silama zla.
ali, u isti mah, u Kihotu ima epizoda u kojoj se vreme značajno
usporava. za nas je to, dabome, fantastično, za čitaoca onog
doba, uverenog u đavolje vetrenjače, vraćanje vremena je moglo
biti realističko. (možda će tako ponovo biti za nekog čitaoca
iz LVI veka.)
inače, ako se pita moja nauka (ona o književnosti), onda i ne
postoji naučna fantastika. postoji naučna fikcija (science
fiction) u smislu naučno-čudesnog. fantastično u literaturi je
nešto drugo (vezano je za dela u kojima se ne može odlučiti
između prirodnog i natprirodnog objašnjenja - oba su podjednako
moguća).
sf.236nkbog,
> Zdravorazumski gledano, glavni junak ne bi opstao više od
> 5-6 sati na tom sterilnom svetu. Neophodno je svakodnevno unošenje
> bakterija u orga- nizam (bitnih, pre svega, za sistem za varenje),
> bez čijeg prisustva bi nas- tao haos u istom (50% unete hrane ne bi
> bilo svareno, usled čega bi se iz hrane pod 1) izvuklo duplo manje
> energije, i pod 2) u organizam se uopšte ne bi unele brojna vitalna
> jedinjenja).
Flovin-BS? Zar kroz ko zna koliko godnia deluje nemoguće da imamo preparate
koji supstituišu unos istih bakterija kada već danas imamo bakti-suptil?
NB.
sf.237dr.grba,
>> A ako se već može kretati brzinom većom od svetlosne, zašto se ne
>> bi moglo izaći iz crne rupe?
Ovde još uvek postavljamo kao pitanje šta je polazna tačka: premisa fizike da
nema brzine veće od c ili čvrst apriori stav da ima brzine veće od c? U drugom
slučaju Simakova mačka počinje da govori, a mnoge stvari je mnogo, mnogo lakše
iskonstruisati.
Setite se konstrukcije serije "Gradovi u letu" Džejmsa Bliša (baš bi bilo
zanimljivo istražiti nedoslednosti u tom delu...): gotovo solomonsko rešenje
interstelarnog putovanja: najpre pitanje vremena rešeno lekom protiv smrti,
gde se "smrt" smatra bolešću sa trenutno fatalnim ishodom (ili slično...),
tehnologija koja cele kolonije gradova diže sa Zemlje poput brodova i najzad
politika koja te gradove čini samodovoljnim jedinicama... Nema brzine veće
od svetlosne, a kad treba rešiti neko pitanje i putovati zbog njega, nema
problema, potroši se 60 - 70 godina da grad ode na naznačeno mesto (:
Naivno? Duhovito? Glupo?
Po mom viđenju svakako konzistentnije od onih kanti Hičija.
sf.238dr.grba,
>> E sada se i ja prisetih Anala. Ako se dobro sećam, brodovi Hičija
>> su se kretali brzinom većom od svetlosti, ali ne MNOGO većom.
>> Mislim 2, 5 puta većom brzinom. Ali negde (ne znam da li je u
>> Analima, ali
Samo polako, ne radi se ovde samo o brzini, nego i o konstantnom ubrzanju.
Seti se da su putnici znali kad prestane ubrzanje, a počne usporenje na
pola puta. Tako su znali da li su im zalihe dovoljne da izdrže kraj puta
i povratak. A u trenutku prelaska brzine c, monitor bi počeo da emituje
monotonu sivu boju...
sf.239paki,
> na tom sterilnom svetu. Neophodno je svakodnevno unošenje bakterija u
> orga- nizam (bitnih, pre svega, za sistem za varenje), bez čijeg
- Deco, je li svako dobio svoju porciju bakterija? Hajd' sad,
jedite, ko prvi završi, dobija i repete.
sf.240dejanr,
>> Samo polako, ne radi se ovde samo o brzini, nego i o konstantnom ubrzanju.
Zapravo, kod njih je bila konstantna *promena* ubrzanja, da/dt. Drugi
izvod brzine, treći izvod puta.
sf.241dejanr,
>> Nema brzine veće od svetlosne, a kad treba rešiti neko pitanje i
>> putovati zbog njega, nema problema, potroši se 60 - 70 godina da
>> grad ode na naznačeno mesto (: Naivno? Duhovito? Glupo?
>>
>> Po mom viđenju svakako konzistentnije od onih kanti Hičija.
Konzistentije u odnosu na sadašnje domete nauke, ali i mnogo nepraktičnije,
70 godina da odeš, 70 godina da se vratiš... i još nisi bio Bog zna koliko
daleko, šta je to 20-tak svetlosnih godina? ;)
Mislim da nešto ne prestaje da bude SF ako se postulira kretanje nadsvetlosnim
brzinama, bez obzira što današnja nauka ne vidi kako bi se to obavilo. Za mene
je razlika između SF i F u tome što kod SF-a postoji neki pokušaj da se
stvari predstave konzistentno sa nekim delom nauke, dok kod fantastičnih
priča nema ni želje za tim.
Za primer je zgodno uzeti "Fantastično putovanje II" od Asimova. Radi se
o minijaturizaciji. Naravno da je minijaturizacija čoveka na dimenzije
molekula nezamisliva sa naučne tačke gledišta. Ali, Asimov ipak pokušava
da je nekako objasni - smanjuju se i sami atomi, zbog toga mora da se
promeni Plankova konstanta itd. Pa onda razmišlja kakvi bi u tom
minijaturizovanom stanju bili efekti Braunovog kretanja... Za razliku od
toga, u nekom F filmu bi ljudi ušli u mašinu, neko bi pritisnuo dugme i
oni bi se smanjili, nema ni traga razmišljanju o tome kako bi se to izvelo.
sf.242wizard,
> Ma da, recimo udobno i efikasno putovanje svemirom koje je i dalje osnova
> dobrog dela SF-a.
Ne slažem se sa ovom tvojom tvrdnjom, tačnije - sva ta dela ne bih
nazivao SF-om, u onom njegovom izvornom značenju.
sf.243ndragan,
/ pogrešna. kad je fenomen crnih rupa u pitanju, polazim, naime,
/ od toga da se o njima tako reći ništa pozitivno ne zna - sva
Da parafraziram Klarka - "to mi je ostalo kod jednog prijatelja, koji za
arhiviranje koristi pripitomljenu crnu rupu".
Crna rupa je divna stvar za SF - pravi tamni vilajet o kojem se ništa
pouzdano ne zna, u koji se svašta može baciti, da nikad ne ispliva u
vidu dokaza o grešci.
sf.244ndragan,
/ Ono za krave i fetuse mi već izgleda kao mnogo ozbiljniji problem.
Pretpostavka je da ni krave nisu više kao što su nekad bile - to bre
ispozavršavalo silne fakultete i bagat-tečajeve...
/ A zamisli neka priučena žena - vozač tramv... upravljač teleporta ne
/ primeti neku skretnicu, pa te nakrivo sastave? ;))
Viđeno. Uostalom, svaki bolji teleport bi trebalo da ti prepozna glas, a
šta ako mucaš, nisi trezan ili ti je svega dosta, pa kad te pita "kuda
da vas prebacim", odgovoriš "u materinu"...
sf.245ndragan,
/ i naučne fantastike vidi kroz mogućnost mačke da progovori ljudskim
/ jezikom: naime, pouzdano se zna da mačka nema anatomske predispozicije
Zar genetski inženjering ne bi mogao da ispravi mali tehnički problem
konstrukcije mačijeg glasovnog aparata pre nego što pristupi većem
problemu. Obratno: kako naučiti čoveka da prede?
/ najkraće rastojanje između dve tačke. E, sad: fantastika, naučna
/ fantastika, spekulacija, artizam u matematici.... kako bismo ovo
/ nazvali?
Dobrom idejom?
sf.246dejanr,
>> > Ma da, recimo udobno i efikasno putovanje svemirom koje je i dalje
>> > osnova dobrog dela SF-a.
>>
>> Ne slažem se sa ovom tvojom tvrdnjom, tačnije - sva ta dela ne bih
>> nazivao SF-om, u onom njegovom izvornom značenju.
Pa, možda se izvorni SF bavio temama kao što je putovanje pod morem, ili
u balonu, ili "jašenju" na kometi :) Ali, otkad je to prestalo da bude
SF i postalo realnost (ono za kometu možda... :) SF je postalo slobodno
putovanje svemirom :) Kada i to jednom ostvarimo, nešto novo će biti SF :)
sf.247bojans,
>> izgradjen svet (prsten) na kome je sve sterilno i bez mikroba.
>> Glavni junak se kupa u vodopadu a onda izleće "da ne dobije
>> zapaljenje pluća". Pitanje: može li se to bez spoljnih koka
>> bakterija?
Veoma interesantno pitanje. I meni je oduvek bio nejasan
mehanizam prehlade (nazeba?) i sl. Zašto se određene vrste
bakterija ili virusa aktiviraju baš kada se organizam izlaže
niskim (a ne recimo visokim) temperaturama? Zašto baš tada
dolazi do slabljenja imunog sistema?
sf.248paki,
> toga, u nekom F filmu bi ljudi ušli u mašinu, neko bi pritisnuo dugme i
> oni bi se smanjili, nema ni traga razmišljanju o tome kako bi se to
> izvelo.
Ovo 'F' može da se zameni sa 'Š'.
sf.249spantic,
> Da parafraziram Klarka - "to mi je ostalo kod jednog prijatelja, koji za
> arhiviranje koristi pripitomljenu crnu rupu".
Pravi Klark je sjajna stvar. Na žalost ovo što se danas štanca u
njegovo ime je daleko od njega.
Da li mogu i gafovi u SF ali koji su društvene prirode?
Primer: knjiga Artura Klarka "Božji izazov". Tema: pad komete koji je izazvao
poznati slučaj u Sibiru. Klark kaže: "... da je kasnila ( kometa ) dva sata
ne bi bilo više Moskve, a ni događaja koji su potresli svet..."
S obzirom da je centar Rusije bio Petrograd verovatnije je da bi boljševici
ranije došli na vlast. Šta vi mislite?
Drugi slučaj, ista knjiga, kada opisuje poziv pape drugim verskim poglavarima
sveta povodom potrebe kontrole populacije, navodi Dalaj Lamu, arhiepiskopa od
Kanterberija, Glavnog rabina, imama ( i još neke vere, danas nepostojeće ).
Za primetiti je da Vaseljenskog patrijarha tu nema, niti predstavnika drugih
itekako brojnih religija. Ali engleski protestanti su tu ;)
sf.250darone,
>> Setite se konstrukcije serije "Gradovi u letu" Džejmsa Bliša (baš bi bilo
>> zanimljivo istražiti nedoslednosti u tom delu...): gotovo solomonsko
^^
Da li je ovo ovde smešak ili šta? Još jedan razlog za smejanje "nadesno" :)
sf.251niklaus,
(:> Flovin-BS? Zar kroz ko zna koliko godnia deluje nemoguće da imamo
(:> preparate koji supstituišu unos istih bakterija kada već danas
(:> imamo bakti-suptil?
Nisam baš stručnjak za mikrobiologiju, ali rećiću nešto napamet...
Postoje izvesne bakterije, čiji je opstanak nemoguć bez prisustva
izvesnih organskih jedinjenja, koja se nalaze u čovečijem organizmu. Sintetiu
jedinjenja značajna za čoveka upravo iz tih organskih. Nešto je nemoguće po-
stići (sintetisati) bez prisustva (živih) bakterija.
Simbioza, divna stvar. (:
(:niklaus:)
sf.252niklaus,
(:> u balonu, ili "jašenju" na kometi :) Ali, otkad je to prestalo da
(:> bude SF i postalo realnost (ono za kometu možda... :) SF je
(:> postalo slobodno
"Jašenje" jeste SF. "Jahanje" možda i nije (recimo uz pomoć nekih
zaštitnih slojeva na "osetljivim mestima", tipa kevlar ili šta ti ja znam)
... (;
(:niklaus:)
sf.253vitez.koja,
#=>> toga, u nekom F filmu bi ljudi ušli u mašinu, neko bi
#=>> pritisnuo dugme i oni bi se smanjili, nema ni traga
#=>> razmišljanju o tome kako bi se to izvelo.
#=>
#=> Ovo 'F' može da se zameni sa 'Š'.
Innerspace Š film ??
Lično više volim da pogledam takav film, zanimljiv i pun efekata (i
lagano naivan) nego neko dosadno elaboriranje nauke...
sf.254paki,
> Innerspace Š film ??
Dobro, de :)
sf.255debelijencija,
!=?> niskim (a ne recimo visokim) temperaturama? Zašto baš tada
!=?> dolazi do slabljenja imunog sistema?
Relativno je prosto. Organizam tada energiju troši na održavanje telesene
temperature, a ne na ubijanje virusa i sličnih stvari.
A i na velikim temperaturama dolazi do slabljenja imunog sistema, samo
što je to slabljenje sporije u odnosu na raspadanje tkiva na tim
tempteraturama, pa se ne primećuje (tačnije, prvo izgoriš, a onda ti
oslabi imuni sistem ;).
sf.256nkbog,
>> Flovin-BS? Zar kroz ko zna koliko godnia deluje nemoguće da imam
>......
>
> Sintetišu jedinjenja značajna za čoveka upravo iz tih organskih.
> Nešto je nemoguće postići (sintetisati) bez prisustva (živih) bakterija.
Pitanje je da li je nemoguće. Sa druge strane, GLAVNI sastojak baktisuptila
(kod nas ga ima u obliku Flovin-BSa) su spore pominjanih bakterija.
Baktisuptil je lek koji se daje za raznorazne crevne poremećaje od dijareje
do pokvarenog stomaka. Ne vidim zašto bi bila nelogična pretpostavka
da jednog dana imamo takve supstrate slične namene koji se neće koristiti
za lečenje, već kao normalan dodatak ishrani (kao jodirana so).
NB.
sf.257niklaus,
(:>>> zanimljivo istražiti nedoslednosti u tom delu...): gotovo
(:> solomonsko žž
(:>
(:> Da li je ovo ovde smešak ili šta? Još jedan razlog za smejanje
(:> "nadesno" :)
Nisam baš mator SEZAMovac, ali (za sada) nisam oman'o. (:
Možda je dr.grba nekada bio "desni" (prim. nik. zubala) ? (;
(:niklaus:)
sf.258wizard,
> Innerspace Š film ??
Zar nije? Malo jurnjave, malo humora, malo pištolja, malo ljubavnih
problema... SF pozadina je tu samo zbog scenografije.
sf.259spantic,
Treba da izađe strip rađen po Adamsovom "Vodiču kroz galaksiju za autostopere"
sf.260cobra,
<> Mislim da nisi u pravu. Brodovi Hičija su se kretali gotovo
<> neograničenim brzinama, ali im je trebalo vreme da se
<> "zalaufaju" i vreme da "prikoče". Pol negde reče da kod njih
<>* nije konstantna ni brzina, ni ubrzanje, nego promena
<>* ubrzanja*, dakle treći izvod puta.
Izgleda da ste ti i dr.grba u pravu. Sorry, gledao sam
jako usko pa lupio :).
sf.261corto,
> Videno. Uostalom, svaki bolji teleport bi trebalo da ti
> prepozna glas, a sta ako mucas, nisi trezan ili ti je svega
> dosta, pa kad te pita "kuda da vas prebacim", odgovoris "u
> materinu"...
:))))))))) " A da li ste sigurni da zelite bas gore ? "
Lift
sf.262dr.grba,
Naučna fantastika je grana literature koja se bavi mogućim efektima izmenjene
tehnologije ili izmenjenog socijalnog sistema na čovečanstvo u zamišljenoj
budućnosti, u izmenjenoj sadašnjosti, ili u alternativnoj prošlosti.
Bari N. Malzberg
sf.263dr.grba,
Osnovni kanon u ffantaziji je sledeći: možete sami da stvarate zakone, ali
zatim morate da ih se pridržavate. Naučna fantastika ovo prefinjuje: možete
sami da stvarate zakone, ali unutar izvesnih granica. Naučnofantastična priča
ne sme da se ogluši o ono što je nauka utvrdila i, kao što je to žip Dilejni
rekao, ne sme da poriče ono za šta je poznato da je poznato. A ako to i čini,
pisac mora biti svestan toga, i mora da brani slobodu koju je sebi dao.
Ursula Le Guin
sf.264dr.grba,
Naučna fantastika je ona grana fantazije koja je, premda nije istinita po
znanju našeg vremena, učinjena uverljivom tako što čitalac prihvata da postoji
znanstvena mogućnost da ina bude ostvariva u nekom budućem vremenu ili nekoj
neodređenoj prošlosti.
Donald A. Volfhajm
sf.265dr.grba,
Naučnofantastična priča jeste priča sazdana oko ljudskih bića, sa ljudskim
problemom i ljudskim razrešenjem, ali koja ne bi bila moguša bez svoje naučne
sadržine.
Teodor Sterdžen
sf.266dr.grba,
>> SF i postalo realnost (ono za kometu možda... :) SF je postalo
>> slobodno putovanje svemirom :) Kada i to jednom ostvarimo, nešto
>> novo će biti SF :)
Putovanje svemirom je, srećom, samo jedan od vidova SF-a.
sf.267dr.grba,
>> Da li je ovo ovde smešak ili šta? Još jedan razlog za smejanje
>> "nadesno" :)
Ovo je šta.
P.S: Nije ni smešak ni šta, nego dvotačka iza zagrade, jer tako je valjda
ispravno. Obrati ponekad pažnju i na sadržaj, ne samo na formu.
sf.268dr.grba,
>> Nisam baš mator SEZAMovac, ali (za sada) nisam oman'o. (:
>> Možda je dr.grba nekada bio "desni" (prim. nik. zubala) ? (;
Kako bi bilo da se u ovoj temi ne bavite dr.grbinim smajlijimna, nego
granom literature koju nazivamo SF-om?
sf.269dr.grba,
>> Treba da izađe strip rađen po Adamsovom "Vodiču kroz galaksiju za
>> autostopere"
Gde? Kad? Ko? Kako? Zašto?
sf.270dr.grba,
>> :))))))))) " A da li ste sigurni da zelite bas gore ? "
>>
>> Lift
Hvala vam što ova skromna vrata činite srećnim jer ste im omogućili da
vam pruže uslugu prolaska kroz njih.
Vrata
sf.271uobradovic,
Pomagajte ,mada nije sve tako crno.Tek sam na zalost pre neki dan procitao
prvu svoju SF knjigu.
- Koje mi knjige preporucujete da procitam i gde mogu da se uzmu
Hvala Uros :)
.
sf.272wizard,
..co rep 7.262-265
Hugo Gernzbak:
Pod načnom fantazijom podrazumevam šarmantnu romansu isprepletanu
naučnim činjenicama i proročkim vizijama.
Robert Filmus:
Naučnu fantastiku od drugih vrsta fantazija razlikuje to što se ona
odlikuje naratorovom strategijom korišćenja naučnih obrazloženja da bi
se čitalac naveo da lakše poveruje u priču i "obustavi neverovanje" u
fantastično stanje stvari.
Brajan Oldis:
Naučna fantastika je traganje za takvom definicijom čoveka i njegovog
statusa u vasioni koja će se uklopiti u naša sadašnja konfuzna naučna
dostignuća.
Itd., itd...
Problem sa ovim (a i dr.grbinim) definicijama je što se, strogo gledano,
odnose praktično samo na DOBAR SF. Ne može se tako lako za STAR WARS
reći da nije SF, iako je u pitanju obična "space opera".
sf.273vitez.koja,
#=>> Innerspace Š film ??
#=>
#=> Zar nije? Malo jurnjave, malo humora, malo pištolja,
#=> malo ljubavnih problema... SF pozadina je tu samo zbog
#=> scenografije.
Dakle, uvodimo pojam LRR - levi ruski režiser. Šta će mi filmovi koji se drže
neke ideje 'ko pijan plota', a ostalo kako ispadne ? Film treba da bude 'pitak'
da bi nekoga zeinteresovao i zabavio. Malo scenografije, malo jurnjave, malo
humora, pištolja i ljubavnih problema - to je film.
Uostalom, u ogromnoj većini pisanih SF dela SF ideje su samo pozadina i
podloga, nikako suština; kada bi iste bile suština, SF delo bi se pretvorilo u
puko nagvaždanje o tome šta mož a šta ne mož biti za n godina. Pogledaj bilo
koji SF roman - svaki bi mogao da smestiš negde u istoriju Zemlje uz nebitne
izmene.
sf.274novim,
" Naučna fantastika je grana literature koja se bavi
" mogućim efektima izmenjene tehnologije ili izmenjenog
" socijalnog sistema na čovečanstvo u zamišljenoj
" budućnosti, u izmenjenoj sadašnjosti, ili u
" alternativnoj prošlosti.
"
" Bari N. Malzberg
"naučna fantastika" je nezgodan termin kao prevod za "science
fiction" (iako je kod nas prihvaćen, odomaćen, i šta je, tu
je.) nezgodan je sa stanovišta nauke o literaturi, jer upućuje
na podvrstu u klasi "fantastičnog" koja, opet, pre svega
obuhvata tzv. čudesno. nezgodan je i sa stanovišta upotrebe
izraza "fiction". no, nema veze, sa stanovišta user-a ove vrste
litearture, pomenute zvrčke ne moraju da budu uopšte bitne.
evo šta na temu science fiction-a kaže istorija literature:
istorija te vrste počinje još u antici, kod satiričara Lukijana
(II vek p.n.e.); on u svojoj "Istinitoj istoriji" priča o
jednom putovanju na Mesec (parodirajući već postojeće
fantastične priče). takođe, smatra se da elemente n.f. možemo
naći i u 1001 noći. ipak, pravi početak žanra vezan je za
modernu epohu (onoj u kojoj scientizam postaje dominantna
ideologija). počeci su onda u Bejkonovoj "Novoj Antlantidi"
(1627), i kod Sirana de Beržeraka ("Drugi svet", 1657). potom
se kači Svift, takođe parodijski, pa Volter, pa Semjuel
Džonson, itd. ipak, procvat počinje od čila Verna i njegovih "5
nedelja u balonu" (1862), a onda čitave serije romana ("Put na
Mesec", "20.000 milja pod morem", "Put oko sveta za 80 dana").
krajem veka se pojavljuje H. Dž Vels - "Vremeplov" (1895), s
kojim n. f. dobija već ozbiljne ambicije (u smislu: koji su sve
efekti tehno-nauke - posebno negativni; Vels je u n.f. više
"pesimista" - mogući u sferama etike, politike, organizacije
društva i sl.)
sf.275vitez.koja,
#=> - Koje mi knjige preporucujete da procitam i gde mogu da
#=> se uzmu
Obavezno pročitaj ciklus 'Zadužbina' od Asimova. Uzmi takođe 'Prsten' od D.K.
Morena, meni se knjiga mnogo svidela. Posle pređi na Herberta...
ps. opet da pitam: šta mislite o D.K.M.ovom 'Prstenu' ? Kad sam prvi put pitao
nije baš zavladalo oduševljenje... A meni se ta knjiga _baš_ dopala :)
sf.276astojkovic,
Zelazny i Dick, OBAVEZNO.
Pohl - Kapija
Asimov, prve 3 zaduzbine
NEUROMANSER V. Gibson, imas original negde u civilizaciji.
Naravno i klasike: Orvel, Haksli, Tolkin
Od Hakslija citaj sve (covek je stil je super)
Sale
sf.277spantic,
>>> Treba da izađe strip rađen po Adamsovom "Vodiču kroz galaksiju za
>>> autostopere"
>
> Gde? Kad? Ko? Kako? Zašto?
Vest je iz Trona broj 5. Javiću detalje. Ali ne kod nas. Tek treba da
izađe u originalu :)
sf.278ndragan,
/ Kako bi bilo da se u ovoj temi ne bavite dr.grbinim smajlijimna, nego
/ granom literature koju nazivamo SF-om?
Stvarno, da skratimo. Pouzdano sam utvrdio da se Dr.Grba smeje ulevo i
kad se sretnete s njim i van sezamovog diska. Ukoliko se ranije smejao
udesno, to je bilo inkognito, pre otkrivanja stvarnog imidža.
sf.279ndragan,
/ Teodor Sterdžen
90% bilo čega je đubre. Narodnjaci su iznad toga.
sf.280wizard,
> Dakle, uvodimo pojam LRR - levi ruski režiser. Šta će mi filmovi koji se
> drže neke ideje 'ko pijan plota', a ostalo kako ispadne ?
Ajde navedi primer pa da raspravimo. :) Osim što je umetnost, pravljenje
filmova je i zanat. :)
> Film treba da
> bude 'pitak' da bi nekoga zeinteresovao i zabavio. Malo scenografije, malo
> jurnjave, malo humora, pištolja i ljubavnih problema - to je film.
Naravno, *I* to je film. Ja kad sam nervozan, neraspoložen ili tužan
volim da pogledam takav film, ali on mora obaavezno da sadrži jedno, a
to su dve stvari: ¨ akciju
¨ seks
¨ nasilje
Ostali deo vremena gledam prave filmove.
sf.281dr.grba,
>> Problem sa ovim (a i dr.grbinim) definicijama je što se, strogo
>> gledano, odnose praktično samo na DOBAR SF. Ne može se tako lako za
>> STAR WARS reći da nije SF, iako je u pitanju obična "space opera".
Pa nas samo DOBAR SF interesuje, zar ne? (;
Ali, ima tu još jedna kvaka: evolucija žanra. Baš zanimljivo da si pomenuo
Huga Gernzbaka, jer njegovo vreme beše vreme kada je SF počeo da poprima svoje
obličje. I žanr od onda raste i raste i raste... I sve je teže generalizovati
pojmove.
sf.282dr.grba,
>> Pogledaj bilo koji SF roman - svaki bi mogao da smestiš negde u
>> istoriju Zemlje uz nebitne izmene.
Ovo je sasvim tačno. žak valja testirati one teme koje nemaju nikakav linearni
ili paralelni pomak u vremenu i okruženju. Robert Silverberg ima par valjanih
dela koja disertiraju ovo. Npr. roman "Umiranje iznutra", koje se bavi čovekom
koji je u staanju da osluškuje misli drugih. Radnja smeštena u američki
megalopolis sedamdesetih godina ovog veka. I polako se razvija slika o slušanju
tuđih misli ne kao o daru, nego kao usudu, o mučnoj buci koja preti da uništi
čoveka dok se vozi u metrou, na primer.
Za razvoj priče je, dakle, slušanje misli dovoljna premisa. Sve ostalo,
posmatrano kroz misli glavnog junaka, postaje jedna ljudska drama u svetu
koji nije u stanju da prihvati tako nešto.
Ili - da ne zaboravim - famozni roman Teodora Sterdžena, "Više nego ljudski",
šokantna postavka zasnovana na sasvim jednostavnoj priči.
sf.283dr.grba,
>> Obavezno pročitaj ciklus 'Zadužbina' od Asimova. Uzmi takođe
>> 'Prsten' od D.K. Morena, meni se knjiga mnogo svidela. Posle pređi
>> na Herberta...
Preporučuješ čoveku dobre stvari, ali mislim malo preko reda. Valja čoveku
pomoći da dođe dotle da bude u stanju da sam prepoznaje i odabira autore
u SF žanru koje će čitati.
Zato preporučujem jednostavniji put: Pronađi "Monolite". Radi se o almanasima
kojih dosad ima (ako se ne varam) osam, koje izdaje "Znak Sagite", preduzeće
Bobana Kneževića. Tlf 150-615.
Izbor u bilo kom od njih se svodi na jedan roman, pret-šest dužih novela i još
desetak-petnaest kraćih stvari, kao i par teoretskih tekstova iz oblasti SF-a.
Izbor u "Monolitima" je pravljen sa minimalnim rizikom, i po mom ličnom
ubeđenju predstavlja najbolju koncentraciju svetskog SF-a na YU tržištu
uopšte. Lično, posebnu pažnju skrećem na "Monolit 2".
Postoje i mnogi drugi izvori. Puko nabrajanje pisaca i njihovih dela "koja se
preporučuju na obavezno čitanje, i to ODMAH" bi moglo da se otegne u nedogled.
sf.284dr.grba,
>> Stvarno, da skratimo. Pouzdano sam utvrdio da se Dr.Grba smeje
>> ulevo i kad se sretnete s njim i van sezamovog diska. Ukoliko se
>> ranije smejao udesno, to je bilo inkognito, pre otkrivanja stvarnog
>> imidža.
Alo, komšija, kako FoxPro?
sf.285dr.grba,
>> 90% bilo čega je đubre. Narodnjaci su iznad toga.
Narodnjaci su iznad toga, naravno. Otelotvorenje hipermatematike, dokaz da
nešto može biti apsolutno....
... majmunski, idiotski itd. Da ne pominjemo dokaz da je u slučaju narodnjaka
etalon procentnog računa 150%, a ne 100%.
sf.286spantic,
> ps. opet da pitam: šta mislite o D.K.M.ovom 'Prstenu' ? Kad sam prvi put
> pitao nije baš zavladalo oduševljenje... A meni se ta knjiga _baš_ dopala
Xm, ja tu knjigu nikako ne bih preporučivao nekome, a kamoli za njegov
početak u SFu. Svemirska opera i to u ne baš blistavom izdanju.
Ako je želiš u najboljem svetlu uzmi Brina, seriju "Uzdizanje" ili LAri
Nivena, seriju "Poznati svemir", kod nas objavljeni romani "Prsten" i
"Inženjeri prstena".