strani.bbs.1dejanr,
Večeras sam zvao Byte Bandit BBS (da li su to oni što prave viruse
za Amigu) čiji je telefon 14044998278 (SAD). BBS je vrlo probirljiv i
bezobrazan - zahteva da ostavite podatke a oni će vas primiti ili
neće primiti, već kako im dođe. Izgleda mi da je glavni parametar za
prijem koliko neko ima softvera što bi značilo da piratstvo nije naš
specijalitet. U svakom slučaju, evo dnevnika te veze iz mog LOG
fajla:
Please enter the name you wish to use on the system.
Name: Dejan
Enter the password you wish to use the BBS. Your password must be at
least
four letters long and should be kept secret.
Password: ......
Now, please reenter your password just to be sure that is has been
recorded
correctly. For security purposes, you will not see the individual
letters
of your password; you will see "."s.
Password: ........
Okay. Please write down your password for future reference.
Please enter a telephone number where you can usually be reached.
Phone number: 0113811xxxxxx
Enter your birthday in this form: MM/DD/YY.
Birthday: 04/16/63
How many lines does your terminal display? Remember to take the
status line
into account if you have one. Normally this would be 24.
Lines [24]:
How many columns does you terminal display? This is usually 32, 40,
or 80.
Columns [80]:
Do you want the BBS to pause at the bottom of each screen so that
unread
information won't scroll off?
More prompts (Y/N): y
Does you terminal software support ANSI commands? Most terminals do.
You
will be asked later whether you want ANSI menus or not.
ANSI support (Y/N): y
Please select the set of menus you wish to use.
[0] 80 column ASCII text menus
[1] 80 column ANSI graphics menus
Menu set [0]: 0
Do you wish to use the full screen editor (Y/N)? n
Do you wish to customize your screen colors (Y/N)? N
Your account is being added to the user file and the appropriate
indexes are
being updated. Please wait...okay.
Loading main program. done.
It's fun, it's exciting, it's INFOFORM time!
What's your real name? dejan ristanovic
And a voice phone number? 0113811xxxxxx
Do you run a board (Y/N)? n
Bummer. Oh well.
Where'd you get our number?
: Some franch network
Oh, are you a pig (Y/N)? n
Just checkin'
Thanks for filling this shit out...
Leave feedback requesting access. Include anything that you think
might help
your chances. Eg, references, boards you call, software you have,
genital
size, you get the idea.
Anonymous [y/N]: n
TCE line editor R3.2 Enter [/] on a blank line to save the
message.
------+->
001: I am calling from Belgrade Yugoslavia, got your number on some
franch
002: network. Funny to be here but this packet switching is really
slow - I
003: will try to call again and hope to be allowed to login and see
your BBS.
004: I am a software author and writter, rather new to the area of
005: comunications but I bet you will not reject somebody 10,000 km
away
006: from you - you probably don't have many members of this kind.
007: Bye now
008: Dejan
009:
010: /
Edit [A]bort [C]ontinue [H]elp [S]ave: s
Saving...done.
The sysop will read this shit, delay for a few days, look at it
again, and
maybe give you access. Try try again. Anyway, it'll be a few days
before I'm
ready to validate folk, so keep trying... sigh...
NO CARRIER
Dakle, tako mu je to napolju - ako je neko razgovarao sa nekim
stranim BBS-ovima, pozivamo ga da ovde opiše svoja iskustva.
Dejan
strani.bbs.2dejanr,
Još malo na istu temu - uz ovu poruku priključen je LOG
fajl sa tokom "razgovora" sa Central Point Software BBS-om
(15036906650, USA) - to je firma koja pravi PC Tools De Luxe i
slične programe. Videćete da su se momci dosetili kako da
distribuiraju novu verziju programa - svi fajlovi su
kriptografisani pomoću programa PCSECURE tako da samo onaj ko
ima staru verziju (ili ko ju je piratovao - to je mana) može
da ih raspakuje i koristi. Kompetan PC Tools De Luxe ima 900 K
što znači da bi prenos na 2400 bps potrajao čitav sat - malo
previše, pa sam pokupio samo MIRROR.COM (najkraći), raspakovao
ga sa PCSECURE i dobio MIRROR datiran 2. avgusta 1989 - to je
valjda najnovija verzija koja postoji!
Pre nego što pitate zašto toliko rasipam pare, reći ću da
me ovaj razgovor (kao ni prethodni) nije ništa koštao!
cps.zipstrani.bbs.3bojanp,
Dejane, kazes da te razgovori bisu kostali ni dinara. Verovatno je to
vrlo lepa vest za tvoj dzep. Medjutim, koliko ja znam PTT jos uvek
naplacuje svoje usluge, pa se postavlja pitanje ko je platio te
razgovore. Ako postoji neka caka (mada sumnjam) voleo bih da je znam.
Bojan
strani.bbs.4dejanr,
Jednostavno, nisam zvao direktno nego posredstvom jedne
kompjuterske mreže. Mislim da će tamo negde početkom ili tokom
sledeće godine sve to biti dovoljno zrelo za objavljivanje u
"Računarima" i na SEZAM-u...
strani.bbs.5ajovanovi,
Dejane, mislim da sve zivo interesuje pomocu koje Jugoslovenske
mreze si zvao i to BESPLATNO USA. Mozda bi mogao od toga da
napravis misterioznu pricu pa da pogadjamo !!??
Pitanja: 1. Da li je to YUPAK ?
2. Da li je islo preko Berna?
Aca.
strani.bbs.6dejanr,
Nema tajne - preko JUPAK-a. Naravno, JUPAK to pošteno naplaćuje...
Koja je to mreža u Bernu?
O svemu ovome pisaćemo kada neke stvari dođu na svoja mesta - samo
malo strpljenja!
strani.bbs.7dejanr,
Evo snimka razgovora sa AIRCOMM BBS-om (USA< 14156892090) - pomalo
liči na svaki RBBS (osećao sam se skoro ko kod kuće... navikao sam na
MIPS i ZBBS) ali ima i specifičnosti...
aircomm.zipstrani.bbs.8dejanr,
Da ostanemo u istom tonu - razgovor sa BINEX II BBS-om (USA,
16173260259) - softver opet liči na RBBS (mada izgleda da nije) a ono
što je posebno interesantno su poruke koje sam snimao koliko mi je
vreme dopuštalo - da vidite kako strejndžeri reklamiraju svoje
BBS-ove...
Šalu na stranu, stvarno ima dobrih reklama, možda bi moglo nešto
slično da se "pokupi" za SEZAM...
binex.zipstrani.bbs.9dejanr,
Ovo će za večeras biti poslednje - razgovor sa Godzilla (tako
nešto) BBS-om čiji je vlasnik firma Omen Technology koja proizvodi
slavni DSZ (USA, 5036213746). Moram da priznam da sam se slabo snašao
sa njihovim softverom ali će sledeći put biti bolje... ako sledećeg
puta uopšte bude...
Jer, dok sam malo sređivao LOG fajl koji će ići uz ovu poruku
(niste valjda mislili da u dnevnicima ostavim tragove o *svim* svojim
greškama i lutanjima po menijima), primetio sam da sam napravio
veliku glupost. Naime, ja koristim ilegalno registrovani DSZ -
program smo provalili, dodelio sam sebi neki ludi ID broj (recimo
7777) i onda generisao checksum tako da sve to lepo radi (upravo se
intenzivno stidim al' oprostićete mi vi...). Kada sam razgovarao sa
Godzila BBS-om nisam mogao da odolim da ne pokupim neki fajl (čisto
da vidim da li komunikacija na 2400 bauda radi preko ove mreže) i pri
tome sam mahinalno upotrebio DSZ. E, kad Chuck vidi u DSZ.LOG da mu
se javljao neko čiji je ID broj 7777, verovatno će srediti da mi pri
sledećem javljanju monitor eksplodira u lice...
chuck.zipstrani.bbs.10dejanr,
Byte Bandit BBS me je milosrdno primio u članstvo tako da sam bio
u prilici da pogledam na šta liči - šta kažete kad glavni meni glasi
"... put your main menu here ..." Ipak, sistem je interesantnan
(zamislite - američki BBS sa temama vezanim sa piratstvo... ima li
neko Leisure Suit Larry 3...) pa prilažem LOG fajl...
bandit.zipstrani.bbs.11danko,
Dejane,
Da li za ulazak na strani BBS koristiš običan telefonski broj tog
BBS-a ili neki pozivni broj preko mreže (T.J. da li ju preko JUPAK-a
moguće ući u bilo koji američki BBS ili samo u one koji su
priključeni na američku mrežu (i kako se ona zove)). DANKO
strani.bbs.12dejanr,
Preko JUPAK-a može da se direktno uđe samo u one BBS-ove koji
imaju svoj NUI (Network User Id) - takav je recimo BIX. Za obične
BBS-ove može se koristiti neki outdial NUI ali je tada sve nekako po
paketima i dosta sporo... ali opet beskrajno jeftinije nego da se
direktno zove.
strani.bbs.13dejanr,
Evo još jedne seanse sa BINEX2 BBS-om - gledao sam kakvih programa
imaju... ne zvuči neinteresantno ali mi ništa nije zapalo za oko i
namamilo me na download...
Ako vam nešto izgleda zanimljivo a nije baš predugačko, kažite pa
ću videti mogu li to da skinem i stavim na SEZAM.
binex2.zipstrani.bbs.14dejanr,
Opet AirCOMM BBS (14156892090) s tim što sam skinuo FIDOnet
konferenciju o DESQVIEW-u - znam da je 50 K prilično za download ali
je unutra preko 150 K teksta razgovora o jednoj jasno određenoj temi
u kome učestvuje priličan broj hakera iz celog svete (jezik je strogo
engleski) - možda nije loše pokupiti i pogledati koliko se razlikuje
ili koliko je slično našim konferencijama.
dv.zipstrani.bbs.15godza,
Zdravo Dejane,
mislim da bi sledeći programi sa BINEX-a bili interesantni
za upload, zato "Dejane skidaj ih"!
SM_BASIC.ZIP 16696 BASIC interpreter with C source
SUPER_C.ZIP 57492 Group of useful C and Ass. Utils /* ??? */
C_PAINT.ZIP 7409 C source for a paint prog. w/ mouse supp.
Godža!
strani.bbs.16dejanr,
**** PAčNJA ****
- UžESTVUJTE U SVETSKOM ISTRAčIVANJU HAKERA -
Mreža svetskih BBS-ova (National Bulletin Board Society,
4423 Cheeney Street, Santa Clara CA 95054, USA) odlučila je da
sprovede istraživanje vezano za razne aktivnosti hakera i
njihovo delovanje na kompjuterske mreže. Predlažemo vam da
pažljivo pročitate sledeći tekst (koji je istaknut na hiljadama
BBS-ova širom sveta) i da učestvujete u ovom istraživanju bilo
direktno (na način opisan u tekstu) ili preko nas - pošaljite
nam odgovore elektronskom poštom a mi ćemo ih (o našem trošku!)
proslediti na odgovarajući američki BBS.
Hvala.
--------------------------------------------------
Both government and the business community appear about to
move aggressively against hackers. Expect some showcase legal
action against infiltration of systems and the spreading of
viruses. These could result in greater controls on computing,
including the use of bulletin boards.
Important issues are at stake and YOUR views are vital. You
can express them as forcefully as you like through the WORLD HACKER
SURVEY, either anonymously or for attribution. During the next few
months, much hostility will be generated against hackers -
participate in our survey and help to create a more balanced
picture.
We define hackers throughout this survey as those who have a
fascination with computers so strong that using and learning more
about computers becomes their most important work or leisure
activity.
The survey is being conducted by the National Bulletin Board
Society in conjunction with John McAfee and Colin Haynes. John is
American, founder of the NBBS and an expert on computer viruses,
Colin is British, an author and investigative reportor.
Researching their book "Computer Viruses, Worms, Data Diddlers &
Other Threats to Your System" being published in May by St.
Martin's Press made them conscious of three key points about
hackers.
1. Hackers are a crucial human resource for any nation,
particularly the U.S. They will continue to play a major role in
advancing computer technology and applications. No nation can be
technologically competitive without a strong hacker sub-culture.
2. Maverick hackers are a serious threat to ALL other
computer users because of their increasing irresponsibility in
spreading malicious viruses.
3. Many hackers are destined to be unhappy and unfulfilled.
They suffer and society as a whole loses out because there is so
little real understanding of the hacker's motivations, needs and
skills. For example, Bill Landreth - the Cracker of Inner Circle
Fame - has a genius level IQ and the computing skills to earn
$100,000+, but is sleeping out on the streets of San Diego. That's
a terrible waste.
HOW TO TAKE PART IN THE SURVEY
1. Post your answers to the ten questions below to the NBBS.
No need to repeat the questions, just give the number of the
question followed by a hyphen and the number of your response on
a scale of 1 to 10.
_____________________________________________________
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Strongly Moderately Dont'know Moderately Strongly
disagree disagree agree agree
So, for example, if you strongly disagree with the proposition
in Question 1, your response could be 1-1 or 1-2, depending on how
strongly you feel.
2. Download the questions, make a hard copy of your responses
and any further comments you wish to make and mail to the National
Bulletin Board Society, 4423 Cheeney Street, Santa Clara CA 95054,
USA. If you prefer, you may upload your responses to the Homebase
BBS - 408 988 4004. Leave a message for the SysOp, or upload to
the Hacker Survey board, accessable from the main menu. Preserve
your anonymity OR add your name and address if you are prepared to
be quoted in a book on the survey results. You will be sent the
section of the manuscript for you to approve and, if you are
quoted, will receive a free advance autographed copy of the book.
Please send the survey on to any hacker friends or other
bulletin boards you think might be interested in participating.
===================================
THE QUESTIONS
Question 1
Breaking in to other systems is wrong in any circumstances and
should be made a federal offense with severe penalties.
Question 2
It is justifiable to break into the systems of companies and
government agencies to seek information about activities which are
unethical or threaten the welfare of society.
Question 3
It is justifiable to sabotage computer systems of companies or
government agencies that are engaged in activities which are
unethical
or threaten the welfare of society.
Question 4
A major disaster, such as a plane crash or the malfunction of a
strategically important computer system as a result of a virus or
electronic sabotage is inevitable within the next five years.
Question 5
Spreading virus programs of any kind should be made a federal
offense with severe penalties.
Question 6
To attack business and government agency computer systems is a
legitimate form of social/political protest.
Question 7
Hackers have a duty to protect the freedom of computing and resist
government intervention of any kind.
Question 8
If Corporate America and the government agencies wish to make the
best use of creative hacking skills, they need to establish special
employment conditions, e.g. flexible hours, opportunities to work
at home, short-term contracts, etc. (please add any suggestions
you may have).
Question 9
Any computer system which is accessible over public telephone lines
can be broken into by hackers or infected with viruses, even if it
has passwords, encryption and other conventional security defenses.
Question 10
Hacking is far more than just an interest or hobby. Exploring
computing is one of the most worthwhile things to do because it is
intellectually challenging and part of our evolutionary process.
=========================
It will help if you could add a few details about yourself.
A- How old are you?
B- How many hours a week do you spend on computing activites?
C- Has your interest in computing become - or could it become - a
form of addictive behavior?
D - Have you ever broken into somebody else's system?
E - Are you yourself, or do you know, any female hackers?
F - What caused you initially to become interested in computing?
G - What currently attracts you to computing?
Finally, could you guess at what motivates hackers to write viruses,
invade systems or engage in destructive activities?
Also, feel free to add any additional comments or information that
you wish.
Please respond promptly. This survey is important. The address
again - National Bulletin Board Society Survey, 4423 Cheeney
Street, Santa Clara CA 95054. Thanks.
strani.bbs.17dejanr,
Ipak je bilo sledećeg puta - Chuckov BBS i log fajl u kome su
opisani brojni problemi vezani za DSZ i njihovo rešavanje... Stvar je
malo čudna jer su u jednom fajlu pitanja a u drugom odgovori (treba
to nekako spariti) ali pretpostavljam da ćete se snaći.
chuck2.zipstrani.bbs.18dejanr,
Evo razgovora sa 'The Circuit Cellar BBS-om', to je BBS koji
vodi Stiv Siarsia, nekadašnji Bajtov hardverski čarobnjak koji
je osnovao svoju kompaniju i svoj časopis.
Videćete da je na BBS-u zaista mnogo poruka mada su sve one,
za nekoga ko se malo razume u hardver poput mene, uglavnom
previše stručne - u LOG fajlu je jedan deo. Isto tako, pro-
našao sam brojne vrlo interesantne fajlove (opise raznih
formata i tako to) što bi se jednog lepog dana moglo i
pokupiti. Ja sam, uz rizik da me ovde svi kritikuju,
pokupio tekst o tome kako se sudi sa PKWARE-om i o hakerskim
aktivnostima u svetu - ništa korisno, reći ćete, ali me je
zanimalo; zašto bismo se uvek interesovali samo za glupe
kompjutere kada se i oko njih ponešto zanimljivo dešava!
ccs.zipstrani.bbs.19dejanr,
Evo razgovora sa Homebase BBS-om - nikada nisam bio u poseti
nekoj "bolnici za duševne bolesti" ali sam se u na BBS-u osećao
k'o u ludnici; imaju čak i grupnu terapiju!
Momci se ozbiljno bave virusima, njihov je i onaj VSCAN što ga
svi koristimo, tako da mislim da vredi baciti pogled...
home.zipstrani.bbs.20dejanr,
AirCOMM BBS i dalji događaji sa FidoNET-a - primetićete da
diskusija nije baš preterano brza i da se dosta poruka svodi na "da
li ovo neko uopšte čita" ali pretpostavljam da brže ne može. Na moju
poruku o fossil drajveru još nisam dobio odgovor.
aircomm.zipstrani.bbs.21dejanr,
Ovoga puta naleteo sam na nešto veliko - Exec PC (4147894210,
USA) na kome sam bio istovremeno sa 68 drugih korisnika iz
Amerike i sveta. BBS je zaista ogroman ali naplaćuje usluge
- kao neko ko se nije registrovao mogao sam da čitam biltene
(jedan od njih vrlo interesantan, kako da zovete strane BBS-ove
a da vas to malo ili ni malo košta), pregledam PC konferenciju
i ostavim privatnu poruku SysOp-u.
Preporučujem da svakako pogledate log fajl!
execpc.zipstrani.bbs.22dejanr,
Vecno BBS pitanje - sta je to haker. Evo kako je na to odgovorio
korisnik BIX-a čije je ime mcsuman, inače po svemu sudeći pisac
SF-a. Početak poruke je ovde a sam tekst u fajlu.
==========================
tojerry/hackers #137, from mcsuman, 5821 chars,
Mon Sep 11 02:02:49 1989
--------------------------
TITLE: Hacking
Here is the preface to a book I was writing some years ago now,
then titled "The Hackers Guide to Eptlish". I never finished it,
after working for more than 10 years. I guess I lost interest.
After all, what's the point, anymore. It still seems sort of
related to the Hacker topic, though.
Artificial intelligence is easy;
Real intelligence is a problem.
--- R. M. Graham
Hackers rush in,
Where experts fear to tread.
--- McSuman
hack.zipstrani.bbs.23dejanr,
Sound of Music BBS, USA5165368723. Očito veoma razvijen sistem, mnogo
fajlova i mnogo konferencija. Kada me registruju imaću prilike i da
vidim na šta to liči...
music.zipstrani.bbs.24dejanr,
Uz ovu poruku je prikačena datoteka sa listom stotinak Open Acess
Unix sistema (pristup uglavnom besplatan, detalji u tabeli) iz USA.
Poruka je preuzeta sa BIX-a.
unix.zipstrani.bbs.25dejanr,
Dešava se i njima - evo šta vam noćas javlja BIX kada pokušate da se
prijavite:
bix is down due to a local
power shutdown. bix will be
back on-line at 00:00 est
12/10/89. please try again
then. thank you.
strani.bbs.26dejanr,
Prošli put sam iz poruke greškom izbacio spisak konferencija na ovom
BBS-u koji je podugaaaačak...
conf.zipstrani.bbs.27dejanr,
Još malo Circuit Cellar BBS-a, ovoga puta fragmenti iz konferencije.
ccs2.zipstrani.bbs.28dejanr,
Ako čitate Byte, verovatno ste voleli rubriku Best of BIX
u okviru koje su objavljivani izvodi sa Byte-ovog kompjuterskog
informacionog sistema. Kako se sistem proširio i njegovo popu-
larisanje postalo manje akutno, ova rubrika je ukinuta pa se
sada samo ponekad jave fragmenti.
Na samom BIX-u, međutim, postoji konferencija Best.of.BIX u
koju sysmgr (njihovo ime za sysop) upisuje najznačajnije
priloge meseca. Download-ovao sa Best.of.BIX za novembar
i priključujem ga uz ovu poruku.
Zanimljive teme su: setup hard diskova koje BIOS direktno
ne podržava bez disk manager-a, 386-MAX koji radi samo kao
286, testiranje hard diska pre i posle kupovine, sors drajvera
za miša, mogućnosti i mane PC disasemblera...
bix10.zipstrani.bbs.29dejanr,
Jednogodišnji pristup BIX-u nije jedino što ćete dobiti za
vaših 160 (konvertibilnih) dolara članarine - posle izvesnog
(veoma kratkog) vremena na vašu adresu stiže uputstvo za
upotrebu BIX-a u dva toma i disketa sa programom koji simulira
BIX - ako 'On-Line' imate tremu, možda je pogodnije da se
prethodno naviknete u kućnim uslovima!
Obzirom da na disketi piše 'This software may be copied for
demonstration purposes', pretpostavljamo da njegovim autorima
ne bi smetalo njegovo stavljanje na BBS. Zato smo u IBMPC
direktorijum upisali BIX.ZIP, kompletan sadržaj simulacione
diskete.
Otvorite direktorijum na disku i raspakujte BIX.ZIP uz obavezno
korišćenje opcije -d (PKUNZIP -d BIX.ZIP) - postoje i poddirek-
torijumi. Onda otkucajte BIX i... sledite uputstva!
strani.bbs.30dejanr,
Reših danas da pogledam koliko ima Jugoslovena na BIX-u; probam
prvo show who yugo i pojavi se pristojan spisak koji sledi u nas-
tavku poruke. Onda sam gledao sa show resume ime čime se ko bavi
ali na žalost ispada da se mnogi od ovih članova praktično nisu
javljali poslednjih meseci i godina.
:show who yugo
bbeslac BRANKO BESLAC, ZAGREB, YUGOSLAVIA
bikica Marko Batista, Ljubljana, YUGOSLAVIA
bjan Boris Jankovic, Beograd, YUGOSLAVIA
dbulat Darko Bulat, Zagreb, YUGOSLAVIA
dmark Drazen Markovic, Zagreb, YUGOSLAVIA
imarsic Ivan Marsic, Zagreb, YUG Yugoslavia
mbatista Marko Batista, Ljubljana, YUGOSLAVIA
pstucin Primoz Stucin, Ljubljana, YUGOSLAVIA
stepan Jozeste Stepan, Ljubljana, YUG Yugoslavia
tkalin tomaz kalin, Ljubljana, YUGOSLAVIA
tsagrak Tom Sagrak, Zagreb, YUG Yugoslavia
zstev Zivojin Stevanovic, Belgrade, Yugoslavia
Onda jos štosa radi uradih show who yu, pojave se naravno
grdni Japanci i Koreanci a među njima i sledeći "naši":
ababa ABA BABA, KEJISO, YU
ajurisevic ADRIANO JURISEVIC, PORTOROZ, YU
fmulec FRANCI MULEC, LJUBLJANA, YU
haso mujo fatas, doboj, YU
pperic pera peric, zagreb, YU
profesor MARIO ZAGAR, Zagreb, YU
Eto kakav smo narod - ni na BIX-u nije moglo da prođe
bez Pere Perića, Muje, Hase... Naravno, ovi korisnici
nikad nisu platili članarinu ali se vuku na spisku...
strani.bbs.31dejanr,
Na Exec-PC BBS-u (verovatno najveći BBS na svetu, 100 linija... skoro
ko SEZAM) se pojavilo neko veliko pisanije o nekim servisima preko
kojih može da se zove džabe po Americi i van Amerike. Ovako na prvi
pogled nisam video ništa što bi bilo praktično upotrebljivo da se
odavde besplatno zove Amerika... al možda neko ovde ima bolje oči i
više pameti pa evo fajla.
starlink.zipstrani.bbs.32dejanr,
Zvao sam PKWARE BBS Phila Katz-a, autora PKZIP-a koji non stop
koristimo. PKWARE BBS radi na Quick BBS-u i to na neregistrovanoj
kopiji (sram ih bilo, a hteli bi da drugi registruju njihov
PKZIP) i prilično je interesantan, dosta poruka, ogromna količina
ZIP support fajlova... Probajte!
Dejan
katz.zipstrani.bbs.33mvrankovic,
Dejane, pošto se vidim dosta često šetaš po BIXu i ostalim
bjelosvjetskim BBSovima mogao bi, u prvom redu sa BIXa, skinuti
neku cijelu konferenciju. Na taj bi način posredno omogućio i
drugim korisnicima SEZAMa bogati izvor informacija jednog takvog
BBSa. Koja bi to konferencija trebala biti prvi put? Mislim da
nije važno - glavno da nešto bude. Ja osobno (pošto radim i sa
PCem i sa Macom, a za ovog zadnjeg nemožeš naći informaciju
ni svijećom) navijam za BIXovu MAC konferenciju. No, ponavljam
što god bude - dobro je došlo. Pozdrav!
Miljenko
strani.bbs.34dejanr,
Cela konferencija sa BIX-a? Dobra ideja samo neostvarljiva. Naime,
na ovom našem "malom" SEZAM-u (jedna linija, radimo dva meseca)
konferencija SEZAM trenutno ima 500 poruka i 425 K. Na BIX-u kon-
ferencije imaju hiljade i hiljade poruka, mislim da jedna solidno
posećena konferencija ne bi stala na hard disk čak ni ZIP-ovana;
to su megabajti pa bi ih bilo i nemoguće transportovati modemom!
Inače ja na BIX-u polako skupljam Turbo Pascal konferenciju, do
sada sam preneo zadnjih 400-500 poruka što uzima par megabajta;
pa bi to još trebalo pročitati...
strani.bbs.35mvrankovic,
Dejane, pošto se vidim dosta često šetaš po BIXu i ostalim
bjelosvjetskim BBSovima mogao bi, u prvom redu sa BIXa, skinuti
neku cijelu konferenciju. Na taj bi način posredno omogućio i
drugim korisnicima SEZAMa bogati izvor informacija jednog takvog
BBSa. Koja bi to konferencija trebala biti prvi put? Mislim da
nije važno - glavno da nešto bude. Ja osobno (pošto radim i sa
PCem i sa Macom, a za ovog zadnjeg nemožeš naći informaciju
ni svijećom) navijam za BIXovu MAC konferenciju. No, ponavljam
što god bude - dobro je došlo. Pozdrav!
Miljenko
strani.bbs.36zeljkot,
Nisam odolio a da i ja ne pozovem neki strani BBS. Odlucio sam se za
Village ciji broj sam nasao u PCW. BBS je baziran na Atariju 1040 STF
i dva harda (ukupno 60 Mb), i potpuno je po mom ukusu: puno Atarija i
jedan direktorij sa PCom. Prikljucujem Capture. U njemu je i hrpa
telefonskih brojeva drugih stranih BBS. Sam BBS podsjeca na RBBS
sisteme. Ima i on-line multišuser igrica i dnevne top liste
najboljih. Veze sa Engleskom su ODLICNE! Nikakvih smetnji, sto se za
domace ne bi moglo reci.
strani.bbs.37dejanr,
BIX je uglavnom ozbiljan i prilično sam se iznenadio kad naleteh
na konferenciju security / speak.easy u okviru koje se događa
takvo opšte zezanje i pljuvanje po advokatskoj profesiji da ga
je stvarno vredelo pokupiti!
advokati.zipstrani.bbs.38dejanr,
Ovde nekoliko puta pomenusmo da *naši* ljudi vole da polemišu (da
ne kažem da 'pljuc, pljuc'). E, nisu samo naši - javim se danas
BIX-u posle par dana apstinencije kad ono u konferenciji Turbo
Pascal 200 novih poruka dok bi ih normalno bilo desetak. Oho,
pomislim, evo puno zanimljivih tema. Al taman posla - ljudi se
zakrvili (baš zakrvili, viču da su im tastature popljuvane!!! od
onoga što "neprijatelj" kaže) oko toga da li u programima da se
koristi GOTO ili ne.
Nisam mogao da odolim - evo diskusije!
goto.zipstrani.bbs.39zarkob,
Evo nekoliko telefona engleskih BBS-a.
CIX 28 linija 1200/2400/9600
01-399-5252 (1200/2400)
01-390-1255 (9600)
Connect 2 lin. 1200, 1 lin. 2400
01-863-6646 (1200)
01-863-6118 (2400)
Matrix 4 linije 2400
051-255-0225
Direct Connection
01-853-3965
Ova četiri, uslovno rečeno BBS-a, omogućavaju direktan
izlazak na Usenet - svetsku mrežu UNIX-korisnika koja obuhvata
oko 11000 računarskih sistema i opslužuje od 200K do 1M ljudi.
Na njoj postoji oko 500 SIG-a (Special Interest Group) od kojih
oko 300 direktno veranih za računarstvo,. Izlaz na ovu mrežu se
ne naplaćuje ali svaki od pomenuta 4 "BBS-a" naplaćuje neku
vrstu članarine (a CIX i "minutažu") što ne znači da vas neće
pustiti da malo "razgledate"
Sledi spisak klasičnih, jednolinijskih BBS-a.Svi rade na
2400 bps a većina ih je povezana u neku BBS-mrežu (FNet,
Crossnet, FidoNet).
Village centralni FNet čvor
01-464 2516
Foxes Den FidoNet
0689 27085
JuSaVo
0324 32414
Micro-Mola
01-316-7402
LightFingers Place FNet, Crossnet
0202 485723
Domain Crossnet
01 773 2422
Tharr Usenet (read only)
0234 261804
STun FNet
061 429 9803
My Little Phoney 0865 773277
strani.bbs.40afilipovic,
Dejane,
Gde mogu da pribavim neki outdial NUA?
Jel' postiji negde neka lista?
Aco
strani.bbs.41dejanr,
Na žalost, globalni outdial je nedavno "nestao sa scene",
očito su se na njega "navadili" grdni ljudi sa svih meridijana!
žujem da se nešto slično dešavalo i ranije ali bi ga posle
izvesnog vremena vraćali... Ako tako bude i sada, dobro je.
Postoji dosta lokalnih outdial brojeva, svaki za po jednu
oblast. Postoji lista koju je sastavio Darko Bulat ali je
imam na papiru a ne na kompjuteru - imaš brojeve za skoro
celu USA. Zovi Zagreb BBS ili ostavi Darku poruku ovde.
Dejan
strani.bbs.42dejanr,
Zar ne da smo mi snalažljiv narod? Svratim noćas na onu
više puta pominjanu francusku mrežu kojoj se džabe pristupa
i koja podržava jedino chat (NUA 6208057040540) i vidim da
tamo možeš komotno da pričaš srpski - 20 korisnika a od toga
6-7 naših! Neki ljudi sede u istoj zgradi i pričaju preko
francuske... naravno, nije baš da to i plaćaju :-) ali...
Za koji mesec tako će verovatno biti i na mrežama koje
papreno naplaćaju usluge. Pa nek neko kaže da toliko zaostajemo
za svetom!
strani.bbs.43vkrstonosic,
Prebacio sam sa CRC BBS-a program PAS-TO-C.ARC duzine oko 20K, koji
po pratecem tekstu treba da prevodi source listinge iz pascala u C.
Nisam ga jos probao, pa ne mogu nista da kazem, ali ako je neko
zainteresovan, neka se javi, to je Public domain. Ili ako redakcija
(sysopi) hoce, moze i da se stavi u IBMPC direktori°─ űž7{.
Takodje, ako nekome treba nesto iz nekog Ame¸{˘rickog BBS-a, neka se
javi, imam pristup vecini, pa mogu nekome i da pomognem.
Pozdrav,
Vlada
PS. Cini mi se da je fond programa na Sezamu prilicno siromasan,
vidim da ve°─cina ima vise. Da li bi moglo da se ucini nesto po
tomoƧpitanju.
strani.bbs.44dejanr,
>> žini mi se da je fond programa na Sezamu prilično siromašan,
>> vidim da većina ima više. Da li bi moglo da se učini nešto po
>> tom pitanju.
Fond programa na SEZAM-u nije siromašan zato što nam nije na
raspolaganju više programa nego je to rezultat svesnog odricanja.
Naime, još u danima kada je ovaj BBS osnivan odlučili smo da mu
download *ne* bude svrha i da u kataloge stavljamo zaista malo
stvari koje su relativno vredne. U međuvremenu smo ustanovili da
čim stavimo dva nova programa u direktorijume, broj poruka u
konferencijama drastićno opadne.
Kada bude bilo više linija i prema tome sistem bude manje
opterećen, biće i više programa!
Pozdrav,
Dejan
strani.bbs.45vkrstonosic,
Danas sam zvao McAfee BBS i prebacio sam tekst fajl sa podacima
i opisima svih poznatih virusa, pa cu ga prikljuciti poruci.
Inace, McAfee ima novu verziju SCANV-a i ostalih programa
za brisanje, za mreze i rezidentne, koji rade sa 61 vrstom
virusa SCANV61...
Ako neko to vec nije preneo, recite pa da prebacimo.
virsum.zipstrani.bbs.46dejanr,
Sve "ratoborne" korisnike SEZAM-a upućujem da ako mogu posete
BIX. Tamo je trenutno pravi rat... revolucija... ne znam više
kako bi to nazvao.
Naime, njihov novi direktor Toni Lockwood je odlučio da "uguši"
CBIX tj. da u udarnim vremenima ukine mogućnost interaktivnog
chata korisnika. To je predstavljeno kao u interesu korisnika
jer navodno ima dosta problema, uvreda, zakonskih smetnji itd,
itd. Naravno, neki korisnici su poludeli i bilo je VRLO oštrih
reči u konferenciji ask.bix. Onda je kada se toga mnogo skupilo
taj topic info.cbix naprasno nestao (navodno "bio pun") a
otvoren je novi info.cbix2. Tamo je sada klanje oko toga ko je
smeo da obriše te poruke i kakvi su razlozi iza toga. Klanje
je toliko da recimo dok pročitate 50 poruka koje su stigle za
2 sata, pojavi se još 5-6 novih. Dok njih pročitate, još 5-6.
Kada se situacija malo smiri, potrudiću se da napravim izvode
za SEZAM.
Pozdrav,
Dejan
strani.bbs.47vkrstonosic,
Imam jedan problem, uclanio sam se u CIX u Londonu, saznao
sam da je vrlo slican BIX-u (isti program), ali ne mogu
da dodjem do njega preko Jupaka.
Interesuje me da li neko zna za neki Outdial broj u Londonu,
ili bilo koji nacin kako da dodjem do CIX-a preko Jupaka.
Ako mi neko pomogne obecavam sveze informacije iz Londona.
strani.bbs.48dejanr,
U ovim "Računarima" što samo što nisu izašli obećao sam
malo "svađe sa BIX-a". Naime, tamošnje rukovodstvo je
ograničilo mogućnosti CHATA-a i tu je bilo revolucije,
pominjana je i cenzura i svašta drugo. Jeste malo poduže
ali...
Inače, "događanje naroda" tamo i dalje traje - napraviću
nove izvode za petnaestak dana.
Dejan
cbix.zipstrani.bbs.49dejanr,
What ever happened to real bulletin-board systems?
First off, I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I cannot
be objective in these notes. These are observations, but they
are from:
1) a Sysop
2) a user of 8BBS, the greatest BBS ever evolved
3) a boy ... who's become a boyish programmer
4) the author of a BBS system
If you're expecting objectivity, then don't bother reading on.
I have a rather unique perspective on the entire BBS scene.
I've been around since close to the beginning, and I'm
wondering what has happened. Have BBS's gone the way of CB? Is
the entire system in a slump? Is there anything wrong at all?
I'm going to try to present these questions and show how
things have changed...for the better, and for the worst.
HISTORY:
A long time ago, in a city far-far away, two men had an
insight. Ward Christensen and Randy Suess wanted a way to
leave notes and messages to their programmer/engineer friends.
Back then, modems were used by field-engineers and some high-
level executives to talk to their companies computers. A 300
baud modem was extremely fast, as most people were using 110
baud TeleTypes. Ward and Randy devloped the concept of the
BBS. They called it CBBS, for "Computer Bulletin Board
System." CBBS was the first of its kind. It was an enormous
program written in 8080 assmebly language. By our standards
today, it was kludgy and bug-ridden, but back then it was
heavenly. Users could enter messages and read messages... that
was about it.
CBBS was a wonderful concept, but it was localized to the
Chicago area. Ward and Randy were the only ones who were
running the program. Then Bill Blue came along and wrote ABBS,
which was designed to "emulate" the CBBS system. I feel it was
ABBS, rather than CBBS which made the real breakthrough. While
ABBS was much less powerful, and more difficult to use, it
could be run on a "universal" machine: -- Apple ][
Anyone with an Apple ][ and a D.C. Hayes MM][ modem could run
ABBS. This program could be installed in a matter of minutes,
and anyone could have their own bulletin board system. Soon
after the release of ABBS, several other BBS programs (for
various computers) soon followed. ABBS was the king for many
years, just because there were more ABBS systems than any
other BBS program available.
It is this time that I would like to refer to as the "Golden
age of the BBS." It wasn't as golden as you might think. Most
Sysops would come home every evening from work to find that
their BBS had crashed because of yet another bug. Even back
then, user's logged in under false names and left obscene
messages.
The one point that made that age golden was the users. Without
users, a BBS is just a program. With users, it gains a
personality, and if I may be metaphysical, a soul. The users
MAKE the BBS. A Sysop may have the greatest BBS program in the
world, but without active users, he just has a computer
wasting line-current.
LIFE IN THE "GOLDEN AGE"
A user would think nothing of spending his Saturday helping
"The Sysop" find an intermittant bug in the BBS program.
A user would not only answer his or HER mail, but also butt
into other people's conversations and throw in his/her two
cents worth.
A user would suggest improvements to make the system easier to
use.
A Sysop would care for his BBS like a baby. He'd spend 2 hours
each night writing messages and playing with modifications to
the program.
A Sysop would NOT restrict conversation to one particular
topic...such as CP/M software.
A Sysop would tolerate kids who were just learning how to use
modems. He'd even give them a hand getting things working.
A Sysop would [on his own preference] dilligently weed out
obscene or "pseudo-illegal" messages, -- or -- promote them as
he saw fit.
Users would start clubs, such as the well known "Gabber Gang"
and later the infamous "Phone Phriekers" who figured so
prominently into BBS history.
The government didn't try to restrict BBS users. It was just
"us" against tyranny (at that time "Ma Bell"). Although most
users did not approve of "Phone Phrieking", everyone talked
about it, and was interested in it for curiosity sake if
nothing else. [Hard to believe, but true.]
Uploading and downloading of programs did not exist.
BBS's were few and far between. The two closest other CP/M
based machines were Kelly Smith in Simi Valley (375 miles
away), and "Jim C" in Larkspur (100 miles away). People tended
to congregate on the local system.
WHAT HAS KILLED BBS SYSTEMS:
1) Program uploading and downloading.
People just get their programs and leave.
2) The technical clique's retaliation against "gabbers" who
just used the systems for personal communication.
3) Too many BBS systems in one area.
BBS's are still alive and healthy in low-density areas.
4) The loss of "anonimity" among BBS users.
The BBS used to be the place to escape. Where no one had
to be "themselves." Users such as "James Bond" and
"Captain Scarlet" were given free reign to vent their
fantasies. Today, most systems do not allow false names so
they
5) The anti-hacker movement.
More and more people today think the word "hacker" means
"phone phriek/computer crasher." All it ever meant was
"great programmer." You would feel proud if someone
labeled you a "hacker."
6) The press' ignorance of the BBS community.
By trying to make a scandal out of all of it, they ruined
a great form of communication. In particular, the magazine
"InfoWorld" has done more harm to the BBS community than
other press organization. While they actively TRIED to
HELP the community, they have caused more harm in their
mis-reporting of info.
7) Sysop's ignorance.
Quite frankly, the average quality of "Sysop" has dropped.
Sysop's are (on the whole) less active and less responsive
than 5 years ago. More and more of them are technically
incompetent, they couldn't fix a bug if it bit them in the
nose.
All of these problems are inter-related. We can't solve any of
them until all of them are solved. From my descriptions it
should be obvious that the "golden age" certainly wasn't all
gold. People like "James Bond" and "Sam Daniels" had to be
stopped, but the pendulum has swung too far to the opposite
side.
These observations are very general. I've noticed this swing,
and it has taken place on 95% of all of the system's I've
called across Europe. It's sad that these problems have
stabbed us in the back, but it's not too late to try and bring
about a change. I don't have the answers, but maybe these
observations will prompt thought into this death of a virtual
"art form" of communication.
There is one possible solution to this problem... the
acceptance of children again. For too long we've been kicking
off kids (both phyiscal and "kids at heart"). They've been
disruptive, and caused fights galore. Many have even tried to
crash the systems they used.
"If there's any hope, it lies with the proles."
-- George Orwell, _1984_
Perhaps the thing to do is call a few local Commodore and
Apple boards and let the users know that they're just as
welcome on your super-fancy 100mb 2400 baud BBS as any of your
so-called "serious users"... "serious users" who can't even
bring themselves to answer their own mail. Saddening.
strani.bbs.50dejanr,
[Sledeće zanimljive tekstove će rado pročitati svi oni koji
razmišljaju o otvaranju BBS-a]
WHY I DO IT
PURPOSE
The purpose of this little piece is to explain to you who are
users of my BBS why I operate the board and why the BBS has
the "peculiarities" that it has. I also want to let you know
what it is like being on this end of the modem line in the
hope that once you understand what it is like to be a Sysop,
you will be more sensitive to the code of behavior expected of
you as an BBS user.
There is one other reason for this piece: I am increasingly
forced to adopt certain restrictions that are diametrically
opposed to my "religion" of keeping an open BBS. I have always
said, when I first started this, that I would rather shut down
the BBS than adopt certain policies that I find distasteful.
So, if one day you call, and find the phone just ringing, you
will know why.
Let me say at the outset that in my experience, many BBS
callers observe the ground rules and truly deserve the
service. If you belong to that group please ef not be offended
by what I have to say here as any offensive remark you find in
this piece clearly is not meant for you.
WHY I DO IT
I operate the BBS as a free public service for several
reasons:
o Computing,particularly DBMS and telecommunications,is my
hobby.I run a lot of experiments with the BBS for my own
intellectual growth;
o As a forum of information exchange among members in
particular, and the public in general;
o To repay those Sysops and users who have shared with me
some of the best public domain programs in the world;
o To help responsible novices get started (I was a novice
too at one time) so that they may later share their
knowledge with others;
I like to think that my RBBS is one of the best in the
country. If it is not, it is NOT because I did not try. I am
still trying.
WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING?
I am a firm believer of an open BBS. I was convinced that
users who have been provided a useful and free tool will, at
the very least, observe certain ground rules laid out by the
Sysop. For more than six months, mine was probably the only
RBBS-PC in the country where no daily time limit was imposed -
a user can log on any number of times on a given day so long
as she waits at least 20 minutes between calls to give others
a chance.
While 95% of the callers did just that, the rotten 5% spoiled
things for everyone and I was forced to impose the daily time
limit you now labor under. As if that were not enough some
callers persisted in logging on under fictitious names despite
my plea right there on the Welcome screen that aliases are not
tolerated on the board. Some did it because they never
matured; others did it as a way to get around the daily time
limit so that, the "pigs can feed some more at the trough".
Against my will, I was then forced to institute a policy that
new users cannot download files or perform most normal BBS
functions until they leave their name, address and phone. The
policy was meant to be temporary; I have removed the
restriction twice in two months only to institute it again,
because a very small minority of callers made life difficult
for me and everybody else. The day I adopt this policy on a
permanent basis is the day I shut down this BBBS think that
new callers owe it to the Sysop to leave the information as a
gesture of COURTESY even if the BBS does not have a
registration policy. I encourage my callers to tell me where
they work only because I deal with a lot of companies and just
in case my business folds, I would like to have a place to
recommend to my staff. I look at that as a service to the
companies because my staff is very good.
Most BBS in the country now has a "registration" policy. And
who can blame Sysops for adopting that? I know for a fact that
a Sysop would prefer not to have that policy were it not for a
very small minority of immature, delinquent and inconsiderate
callers. Just so you understand some of the reasons for that
policy, take heed of a Sysop's pet peeves below. I do not
speak for anyone but myself but I am willing to bet that my
own pet peeves are also other Sysops'.
MY PET PEEVES
1. THE SYSTEM CRACKERS
Crackers (not "Hackers", the press has caused much confusion
in terminology) are the lowest form of life. They are a bunch
of delinquent nincompoops who find special delight in trying
to break into BBS's to cause irreversible damage in the hope
of depriving people a free and useful service. I am fortunate
in that out of about 6000 calls thus far, I have been visited
by these slimes only 15 times and all attempts to break into
the system have been fruitless. These jokers have tried many
times to download the RBBS secure files including user
passwords, commercial programs (a definite no-no) used to
operate the RBBS, and even my AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS
files which contain nothing that will help them. Ninety
percent of these delinquents call at 300 bps, one reason I
will no longer support 300 bps in the very near future.
These frustrated crackers vent their frustration by leaving
nasty messages. And I thought I already have a wide
vocabulary!
I have lost my patience with these moral eunuchs, and hereby
issuing fair warning. If you are a twit, start growing up. The
next time you try to download a forbidden file from me, the
system will give it to you, but if you try to use it ...
bingo!
2. THE GIMMES
Jim (SYSOP ON 8BBS) was right on target in his condemnation of
callers who labor under the illusion that an BBS is a one-way
street that exists only for the enrichment of their software
collection. It is sad but true - the majority of callers fall
under this category. I have entertained the idea of modifying
PC-TALK so that it only has a DOWNLOAD function. Might as
well. The upload function has never been used by these
callers. I was going to re-issue the program under the name
... you guessed it ... PC-GIMME.EXE.
If you are a novice, no one is blaming you if all you do is
download. One of the reasons for an BBS is to help novices get
started. It seems to me, though, that once you have downloaded
40 or so files, you should have benefited from those files and
stopped being a novice. It is time to repay some of those
folks who helped you. I have two callers on my system who have
downloaded 230+ files and uploaded NONE. I hope those fellows
download this file - their last.
Not everyone is born to be a programmer. Even if you do not
have an original program to contribute to the public domain,
there are many things you can do to help your Sysop.
I am still naive and believe that most people would like to
contribute and may not know how. Well, here's how for a start.
One, if you see a message on the board (you do know that there
is a message section on the BBS, right?) from someone asking a
question or asking for help, and you think you have the
answer, by all means respond to the message. Don't just depend
on the Sysop to provide a free consulting service to
everybody.
Two, if you discover something useful either in the course of
your work or as a result of reading an article or whatever,
don't keep it to yourself. Either post a message on the BBS or
write a little text file and upload it.
Three, a Sysop should not have to call all over the country so
that you may have files to download. If you run across a new
and useful file on another BBS (particularly if it is long
distance from your favorite Sysop's BBS), upload the file.
Some callers think that Sysops do not want their files sent to
other boards. Nothing can be farther from the truth. All
public domain programs are meant to be shared and all boards
exist for that purpose if nothing else.
There are two severe forms of "gimmes". One is called
"vulturitis" and afflicts a very few (thankfully) who logs on
every single night - at prime time at that - and picks off the
files as soon as the Sysop puts them up. Another form is
called "author-gimmes" and afflicts two "locals" on my BBS who
have authored one or two useful programs that somehow found
themselves on other local boards but mine. These fellows are
regular "gimmes" on my board. I don't get it. Pun intended.
3. THE INCONSIDERATES
The inconsiderates (1) download a file then go to Peoria while
the file transfer is in progress and let the system time out
and log them off, (2) just drop carrier when they're done
without the decency of issuing G(oodbye), (3) calls to see the
color screen and hear the Welcome music, drops carrier then
calls again for another round of color and music, (4) sign on
with multiple aliases for more time at the "pig trough".
4. THE CONTROL-S'ERS
These callers like to do a CTRL-S to prevent the screen from
scrolling without realizing that unless they caused the system
to do otherwise, the system will pause per screenful of lines.
If you belong to this group you should know that (at least on
my system) whenever you do a CTRL-S, both partitions of
Multilink freeze and I am not able to continue whatever I am
doing in the foreground. I promise you that I will only
tolerate so many CTRL-S in one session particularly during
daytime when I am at the office using the machine in the
foreground. I will always drop carrier on CTRL-S users who
call in at 300 bps during the day as that compounds the
problem. You should know that extensive screen listing at 300
bps slows me down in the foreground. Thus, if you have a
choice of ASCII or XMODEM download, pick XMODEM.
If you are an incurable CTRL-S'er, call at night - very late
at night.
5. THE INGRATES
These hopeless creatures do not bother to read the bulletins
and become very upset because their access level is low. One
even left a message saying "I demand a high access level".
Demand? Have I got news for you, buddy! You use this BBS
because I say so. You don't use it for the same reason. This
is not your birthright. I think Jim said much the same thing.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO RUN AN RBBS?
By now, you should have an idea of what a Sysop s like. If you
are thinking of starting a BBS, you should know that it takes
infinite patience and a lot of time. I spend an average of two
and a half hours a day on the RBBS doing such things as
responding to comments and messages, uploading files from
home, changing new users access level, organizing file
directories, deleting useless files, looking new files over
and updating bulletins particularly the BBS list. You must
love computing to be a Sysop. You also have to be crazy.
PARTING NOTE
I would like to end this piece with a note of thanks to those
callers who have made running the BBS worth all the heartburn.
I am privileged to have a community of 25-30 callers (out of
almost a thousand) who know what BBSing is all about. What
makes the BBS unique is not that it has far more out-of-town
callers than local callers, but that it has this small
community of users who have gone out of their way to help the
system grow and who think of the BBS as their own.
Which, of course, it is.
strani.bbs.51dejanr,
U prošlim "Računarima" je, uz moj tekst o BIX-u, bila predviđena
prilična količina ilustracija ali, na žalost, ne i dovoljno
prostora. Tako su neki dijalozi (neki veoma interesantni i
korisni za praćenje događaja) "ispali". Uz ovu poruku je
integralni sadržaj ilustracija koje sam predvideo.
To je ujedno dobar uvod za ono što možete da očekujete za par
dana - detaljan izveštaj o svemu što se "docnije" dešavalo sa
većinom poruka. Treba to samo malo probrati i potruditi se da
za download bude manje od 400K... Ne možete da zamislite koliko
je tamo svađe bilo i šta se i dalje dešava.
Pozdrav,
Dejan
bixpic.zipstrani.bbs.52djovicevic,
Evo prilazem datoteku sa popisom adresa nekih BBS-ova u
Evropi i USA koji rade na GT Power COMM sw. Srecno!
Dragan°─
gtbbs.lststrani.bbs.53dejanr,
Ako nemate šta da radite sledećih par dana... uživaćete. Dakle,
evo jedne VELIKE polemike sa BIX-a vezane za pravila ponašanja
na BBS-u, cenzuru, uklanjanje korisnika itd, itd.
Nedavno je BIX ima slučaj koji pomalo liči na naš - jedan
korisnik koji se nije baš lepo ponašao (blago rečeno :) ) je
udaljen. Oko toga se digla strahovita buka koja je veoma
ličila na ovu našu (samo što je pomnožena sa 50 koliko puta
BIX ima više korisnika). Onda su se zaoštrile još neke stvari
i udaljen je još jedan korisnik i to ne zato što je kršio
sporazum sa BIX-om nego zaista zato što je mnogo kritikovao.
Samo, prvi korisnik (josephsunrise) je udaljen "trenutno" a
drugom (fmccall) nisu mogli da nađu nikakav formalan razlog
pa su ga uklonili sa otkaznim rokom od 30 dana što je pravo
svake stranke po ugovoru. To mu je dalo vremena da ostavi
svoje viđenje stvari koje sledi uz ovu poruku.
Pogledajte, dakle, na šta liči pa ako vas zainteresuje,
navalite na VELIKI download uz sledeću poruku koja će stići
sutra-prekosutra... kompletna polemika!
Pozdrav,
Dejan
fred.zipstrani.bbs.54dejanr,
Evo glavnine svađe o isključenju korisnika. Znam da je malo preveliki
fajl ali vam neće biti žao... imaćete tri dana šta da čitate :)
Uočite brojne sličnosti između njihove i naše "aferice"...
joe.zipstrani.bbs.55djovicevic,
Pozdrav svima,
Ljudi, da li je neko pretplacen na Exec-PC BBS?
Taj BBS je stvarno azdaja, cega sve tu nema. Prilazem
kratak fajl EXEC.ZIP sa izvodom iz biltena gde je opisano sta nude
i sa cime raspolazu. Zdravo!
Dragan
exec.zipstrani.bbs.56dejanr,
Evo liste 50 "najboljih" BBS-ova u svetu.
Zašto SEZAM-a nema na spisku :) ?
The following BBSes have won bragging rights as the Best BBS
in their state. Until next year they can claim to be the Best.
The votes poured in by the thousands, many more then anticipated.
The following BBSes were voted by their users as the Best BBS in
their respective States (and the District of Columbia).
These results will be published by both Computer Shopper and
Boardwatch magazines this summer. Look for these articles in
these fine periodicals.
Voting will begin again next year starting Jan. 1, 1991,
through April 15, 1991. To vote by mail send card or letter
to P.O. Box 678, Garner, NC 27529. To vote electronically
call The File Cabinet BBS, (215) 678-9334, and answer
(S)cript #5. In voting for your favorite BBS enclude your
name, address, and the name and phone # of your best BBS.
The 1990 NIFTY FIFTY (PLUS ONE)
ST A/C NUMBER BBS NAME
AK 907 562-0290 ALASKA ON LINE
AL 205 452-3897 PRO-TECH BBS
AR 501 364-3282 FIVE'N DIME
AZ 602 458-8206 DOGHOUSE BBS
CA 408 946-7362 SONSHINE BBS
CO 303 933-0701 EAGLE'S NEST
CT 203 246-3747 HH-INFONET
DE 302 239-0854 EBBBS
FL 813 796-5627 DATACOM SUPERSYSTEM
GA 404 378-7914 SHAREWARE SOUTH
HI 505 434-4670 COMPUTER STN
IA 319 234-3527 C-SHIFT PHOENIX
ID 208 332-5227 GREATER BOISE BBS
IL 312 622-4442 CHICAGO SYSLINK
IN 317 866-0725 UNIQUE & NIFTY
KS 316 365-7631 NAUTILUS BBS
KY 606 432-0879 STRAWBERRY PATCH
LA 504 766-1785 ETHEREALITY
MA 617 229-2345 ARGUS
MD 301 596-1180 PROGRAMMER'S CORNER
ME 207 797-4975 COASTAL DOS USER
MI 616 796-6230 PC-SIG SPEC
MN 612 920-5566 MINN SPACENET
MO 314 893-5106 BRICK CITY BBS
MS 601 268-8871 CAMELOT BBS
MT 406 765-1451 HOCUS POCUS
NC 919 779-6674 MICRO MESSAGE SERV
ND 701 852-8744 COUNTRY MICRO BBS
NE 308 487-5505 PAN HANDLE CONN
NH 603 432-6711 NOR'EASTER
NJ 201 279-7048 DEANS OFFICE
NM 505 434-4670 ALAMO-PC
NV 702 849-2207 MEGA SYSTEM BBS
NY 914 667-4651 EXEC NETWORK
OH 216 381-3320 PC-OHIO
OK 405 360-4391 THE 49er BBS
OR 503 484-4622 PUBLIC DATA NETWORK
PA 717 394-1357 LANCASTER AREA BBS
RI 401 539-8636 INFORMATION RESO
SC 803 767-4201 THE ROOST
SD 605 256-5195 DAKOTA STATE BBS
TN 615 966-3574 DATA WORLD
TX 806 792-6116 WINDMILL COMPANY
UT 801 942-0620 MT OLYMPUS
VA 703 578-4104 GLIB BBS
VT 802 933-2417 BLACK CREEK BBS
WA 206 525-2828 28 BARBARY LANE
WI 414 789-4210 EXEC-PC BBS
WV 304 599-6083 FULL SPECTRUM
WY 307 856-3601 TL COMPUTING
DC 202 547-2008 PC CONNECTIONS
This Nifty Fifty contest was operated by The File Cabinet BBS,
and cosponsored by Boardwatch Magazine & Computer Shopper.
Boardwatch Online Service (303) 973-4222 and The File Cabinet
BBS (215) 678-9334 were not eligible to win this contest.
strani.bbs.57dejanr,
A evo i 100 najboljih u USA...
The following BBSes have won bragging rights as the Best
BBS in America. Until next year they can claim to be the
Best. PC-Ohio (216) 381-3320 can claim to be the BEST
in all of the US of A, followed closely by The Executive
Network 914 667-4651.
These results will be published by both Computer Shopper
and Boardwatch magazines this summer. Look for these
articles in these fine periodicals.
Voting will begin again next year starting Jan. 1, 1991,
through April 15, 1991. To vote by mail send card or
letter to P.O. Box 678, Garner, NC 27529. To vote
electronically call The File Cabinet BBS, (215) 678-9334,
and answer (S)cript #5. In voting for your favorite
BBS enclude your name, address, and the name and phone
# of your best BBS.
# A/C NUMBER NAME ST
1 216 381-3320 PC-OHIO OH
2 914 667-4651 EXEC NETWORK NY
3 216 726-0737 RUSTY & EDIE'S OH
4 907 562-0290 Alaska On Line AK
5 405 360-4391 The 49er BBS OK
6 216 526-9480 AMCOM OH
7 408 946-7362 SONSHINE BBS CA
8 919 779-6674 MICRO MESSAGE SERV NC
9 213 549-9640 MAC HACers CA
10 606 432-0879 STRAWBERRY PATCH KY
11 717 394-1357 LANCASTER AREA BBS PA
12 703 578-4104 GLIB VA
13 215 356-8623 HYPERLINC PA
14 201 279-7048 DEANS OFFICE NJ
15 617 229-2345 ARGUS MA
16 919 851-8460 NC CENTRAL NC
17 612 920-5566 MINN SPACENET MN
18 404 378-7914 SHAREWARE SOUTH GA
19 312 622-4442 CHICAGO SYSLINK IL
20 718 849-1614 The BACKROOM NY
21 615 966-3574 DATA WORLD TN
22 617 354-8873 CHANNEL 1 MA
23 404 982-0960 ROCK N ROLL PARTY GA
24 212 431-1194 INVENTION FACTORY NY
25 501 835-5830 AFTER FIVE AK
26 405 236-3750 CD ROM OK
27 203 246-3747 HH-INFONET CT
28 609 667-0071 MICROTRONICS NJ
29 414 789-4210 EXEC-PC BBS WI
30 319 234-3527 C-SHIFT PHOENIX IA
31 205 452-3897 PRO-TECH BBS AL
32 501 758-4925 NIGHT SHIFT AK
33 708 740-2072 BLACK KNIGHT IL
34 516 822-7396 NEW GENERATION NY
35 303 933-0701 EAGLE'S NEST CO
36 415 552-4050 STUDS BBS CA
37 918 455-5544 DataWarp Premium OK
38 203 236-3761 BRUCE'S BAR & GRILL CT
39 516 536-5630 SOUND OF MUSIC NY
40 615 970-7418 DATA COMP TN
41 419 473-8651 NOISE OH
42 216 783-9632 ASK FRED'S BBS OH
43 503 484-4622 PUBLIC DATA NETWORK OR
44 806 792-6116 WINDMILL COMPANY TX
45 317 866-0725 UNIQUE & NIFTY IN
46 215 544-3757 PHILLY GAMERS PA
47 212 496-7946 DATACOM NY
48 215 683-9038 KUTZTOWN CONN PA
49 212 489-0516 FRIENDS TOO NY
50 912 882-2678 SUB'S SAILOR BBS GA
51 612 435-8058 PC-Library MN
52 718 392-8836 THUNDER ROAD NY
53 202 547-2008 PC CONNECTIONS DC
54 219 237-0651 RIVER CITY NETWORK IN
55 307 856-3601 TL COMPUTING WY
56 713 437-0483 The COM Port TX
57 205 238-0012 GOLDEN SPRINGS BBS AL
58 208 332-5227 GREATER BOISE BBS ID
59 303 434-5492 BACKBOARD CO
60 812 284-1321 GENEVA CONVENTION IN
61 215 364-5662 NEXUS BBS PA
62 504 766-1785 ETHEREALITY LA
63 404 543-2649 SLIME Board GA
64 207 797-4975 COASTAL DOS USER ME
65 215 372-8113 THE CORE PA
66 203 791-8838 ROCKY ROAD CT
67 615 383-0727 NASHVILLE EXCHANGE TN
68 207 766-5808 NORTHERN LIGHTS ME
69 414 764-3244 UNIV OF KARSHEDA WI
70 215 694-1534 TMC BBS PA
71 206 525-2828 28 BARBARY LANE WA
72 206 493-0401 ARCHMAGE BBS WA
73 205 974-5123 CYCLONE BBS AL
74 215 372-2788 THE HARBOR PA
75 609 327-0122 CompuNet NJ
76 404 835-6600 IBM PC User Group GA
77 818 965-6241 THE DRAWING BOARD CA
78 414 796-8408 TOP GUN ][ WI
79 619 748-7921 dBORED CA
80 304 599-6083 FULL SPECTRUM WV
81 206 676-5787 BARBEQUED RIBBS WA
82 901 853-9609 M&M BBS TN
83 914 835-1315 BRENTWOOD BBS NY
84 401 539-8636 INFORMATION RESO RI
85 215 372-8113 CORE SYSTEMS PA
86 201 239-1346 MICROSELLAR BBS NJ
87 203 688-4973 WINSOR MANOR CT
88 302 239-0854 EBBBS DE
89 215 376-1819 GLASS MENAGE PA
90 301 596-1180 PROGRAMMER'S CORNER MD
91 314 893-5106 BRICK CITY BBS MO
92 619 240-3542 WPGS CA
93 316 365-7631 NAUTILUS BBS KS
94 212 721-1204 COMPULINK NY
95 215 437-5180 TWILIGHT ZONE PA
96 509 326-3238 LEGALEASE WA
97 503 363-0171 PAGE ELEC BBS OR
98 215 788-0677 UNDERDOG PA
99 702 849-2207 MEGA SYSTEM BBS NV
100 215 437-1640 ICE RINK BBS PA
The Following BBSes just missed making the HOT100
101 602 458-8206 DOGHOUSE BBS AZ
102 801 942-0620 MT OLYMPUS UT
103 215 944-6269 COMPUBBS PA
104 205 821-8114 XIGNALS AL
105 505 434-4670 COMPUTER STN HI
*In Case of ties the earliest cast vote determined the winner.
This Hot 100 contest was operated by The File Cabinet BBS, and
cosponsored by Boardwatch Magazine & Computer Shopper.
Boardwatch Online Service (303) 973-4222 and The File
Cabinet BBS (215) 678-9334 were not eligible to win this
contest.
strani.bbs.58vkrstonosic,
Da li neko ima neka iskustva sa EARN mrezom (mislim da je to Europian
Academic Resarche Network). Do nje se dolazi preko ETF-a i kazu da
dosta obecava. Dobio sam ulaz, ali nemam vremena da provaljujem
dalje.
Da li neko mozda ima neko uputstvo, ili neka iskustva. Ja je za sada
koristim samo za odlazak u DIALOG, preko opcije Infoservis, a to je
stvarno malo. Da li neko ima pristup u E-mail EARN-a.
Rekli su mi da se i preko te mreze organizuju razne diskusije,
konferencije i slicno po celoj Evropi i da ucestvuje vecina
Evropskih univerziteta.
Svako iskustvo ili informacija je dobrodoslo.
Pozdrav,
Vlada
strani.bbs.59mnikolic,
Na ET BBS imas sysop Zvonka koji je vrlo upucen u te stvari.
P, m.
strani.bbs.60dejanr,
QSD, onaj BBS zbog koga su na BUEF-u morali da zabrane
zvanje po svetu, promenio je image - evo novog zaglavlja:
Welcome on QSD (France) - International Chat System -
- Free Access - No charge
Software : SICOMM (METZ TECHNOPOLE 2000)
Hardware : AT&T 3b2/600 - ICL DRS 6000
Op. Sys. : UNIX (3.1 - 3.2 - 4.0)
What QSD ? more 5000 calls per day - 9000 hours/month only by x25
Why QSD ? we've dreamed of it... we've made it...
When QSD ? 24/24 - 7/7 - 365/365 !
Your SysOp : Eric
Italian Co-SysOp : Tom Cat (Luca)
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Dejan (Yugoslavia)
strani.bbs.61dejanr,
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ask.bix/blinks #619, from roedy, 480 chars,
Thu Jul 19 22:26:48 1990
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TITLE: stats
I ask this every once in a while and so far no nibbles.
What kind of hardware does BIX run on? How much of it is there?
How many X.25 ports does it have. How many users are there?
What is the usage profile like in number of users on during
various times of day? How much mass storage does BIX have?
How many separate CPUs are involved. How tightly coupled are they.
I would hope this knowledge would make be smarter in thinking about
the future of BIX blinking.
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ask.bix/blinks #622, from barryn, 712 chars,
Fri Jul 20 00:29:33 1990
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No nibbles? I don't know why. I recall answering some of
these questions a long time ago in the 'hints' topic. I don't
know if the material is still there or has been trimmed.
Bix runs on a Pyramid computer, under Unix. How much of it
is there? Not sure what you mean by that... We presently have
about 150 ports. Most are Tymnet ports; some are direct lines.
We have well over 750 Mb of discussions in the conferences
(quite an information base!). There are other CPUs involved,
but they're not part of the online system (there's a separate
billing machine, for example).
I think the only question I didn't answer was the number of
users we have. I understand that's proprietary information.
strani.bbs.62vkrstonosic,
Kakav blam:
Ustanem ja juce iz kreveta i obradujem se: stigla posta, a u njoj, pored
nekih racuna, dva pisma iz Amerike adresirana na mene. Na njima pise BBS
SYSTEMS, San Francisco CA. i gomila nalepnica (AIR MAIL, PERSONAL...). Tu
sam vec bio odusevljen. Otvorim pisma, unutra oba ista. Jedan od BBS-ova
kojem sam se javio pre par dana, salje reklamu i pristupnicu, samo da se
popuni i posalje. Kada sam pogledao sliku na kartoncicu koji je bio
prilozen, nesto je pocelo da mi kuva u stomaku. Citanje teksta ispod naslova
vec je dovelo do velikog razocarenja.
STUD (pastuv) BBS - the premiere GAY bbs.
Od toliko bbs-ova u Americi, meni se javio jedini koji je specijalizovan za
homoseksualce (pedere). Ako ima zainteresovanih, poklanjam sve papire,
slike, telefonski broj i outdial za Jupak :)
Sve je vrlo ozbiljno uradjeno, primaju razne kartice, imaju vise linija,
gomilu fajlova za DL (kakvi li su?). Treba samo da vidite nadimke nekoliko
sysop-a: Big Red, 21cm i slicno.
Novi problem se javio kada je moja bliza okolina provalila sta je stiglo, pa
je to prosirila dalje, poceli da mi se smeskaju neki cudni tipovi :)
E, sada moram malo da objasnim stvar, jos ce ispasti da sam ih namerno zvao.
Stvar je u tome da obicno pozovem neki outdial u Americi i onda zovem bbs-
ove iz tog kraja. Ako je jedan zauzet, zovem dalje, pa gde dobijem vezu tu
se uclanim, di bi video sta nude. Tako sam stigao i do Stud-a.
Prema tome pazite sta radite, prvo procitajte sta se nudi, a tek onda
ostavljajte adresu :)
Inace, desila se jos jedan interesantna stvar, mada malo prijatnija. Kada
stignem do nekog bbs-a, obicno ostavim poruku sysop-u, da zovem iz
Jugoslavije, da sam sysop jednog naseg bbs-a i pitam kao bi mogao da
postanem malo ozbiljniji clan. Desava se povremeno da to i upali, pogotovo
na manjim bbs-ovima koji nisu navikli na pozive sa drugog kraja sveta.
I tako ja posle par dana na jednomn bbs-u zateknem poruku od sysop-ice
Missy, ha, zenski sysop, koje to jos doziveo :).
Kaze Missy, spremna je da mi omoguci pun pristup na sistem, besplatno, samo,
ako joj nekako dokazem da zaista zovem iz daleka. U nastavku poruke pise,
kako joj moje pisanje budi neke stare uspomene, jer kada je imala 17 godina
bila je verena za mladog Albanca po imenu Azis. Sada ne znam da li da joj u
sledecem pismu objasnim u kakvim smo mi odnosima sa Albancima, ili da
nastavim da hvalim Balkan, ne bi li se ubacio u bbs dzabe.
Pozdrav,
Vlada
strani.bbs.63dejanr,
>> I tako ja posle par dana na jednomn bbs-u zateknem poruku od
>> sysop-ice Missy, ha, zenski sysop, koje to jos doziveo :).
Missie? Hmmm... mogu da ti kažem da je to možda jedna vrlo slavna
sysop-ica. Ako je to ona.
Na BIX-u joj je pseudonim ms_missie (odatle sam asocirao, možda
pogrešno) i tamo je poznata po tome što non stop "sedi" u chat-u
i priča sa ostalima. Takođe vodi neke Trivia igre, moderira razgovore
itd. Znam da ima svoj BBS slične "problematike".
Prvi put kad zovnem BIX (recimo za 5 minuta :) ) pogledaću kako se
beše zvaše i koji je telefon BBS-a. Pa da vidimo jel to ta :)
strani.bbs.64dejanr,
Jel ta SysOp-ica ova osoba:
:show resume ms_missie
ms_missie, Missie Gibson, Fairfax, VA
Last on: Tue Aug 21 23:40:52 1990
ms_missie Missie Gibson
Fairfax
VA 22031
To make this a little less boring of a resume I add the following:
Single, Caucasian, 40+ year old female, living on the East Coast as a
transplant from Southern California where I lived for 25 years and
raised two children.
I work at home as a medical transcriber which keeps me very very busy !
My interests..when i have a chance to pursue them, are intelligent, funny
men, fishing, painting, dabbling in computer stuff of which I know nothing
about. I love being online and have met the most wonderful people whom
i would never have met otherwise.
I guess that's about it..
missie !!!
P.S....The Galleria is now open !!! See the collection of GIF files ..
add your own favorites. See what some of your online friends look like !!
Its still a baby BBS ..but with your support, it can grow and grow !!
Call 703-352-3534 ...its PC Pursuitable too !!!
See you online...missie !!!
strani.bbs.65vkrstonosic,
Da li je to ta Missy ???
Na zalost nije, moja Missy ima BBS na 714, no nema veze, obavesticu vas kako
napredujemo :)
PS. Dejane, imas li outdial za 704 ?
strani.bbs.66vkrstonosic,
Pardon, u malopredjasnjoj poruci je trebalo da stoji 703, a ne 704, ali pitanje
i dalje ostaje.
strani.bbs.67dejanr,
>> PS. Dejane, imas li outdial za 704 ?
Probaj 6311070300117 [Virginia Outdial 2400 bps (Area 703)]
strani.bbs.68dejanr,
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bix.business/tymnet #29, from sysmgr, 2034 chars, Fri Aug 24 00:30:10 1990
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BIX Announces International Tymnet Access
International subscribers can now access BIX directly through Tymnet
and substantially reduce their cost of telecommunications. The
following table shows cities available for direct Tymnet access at
this time. There is no extra charge for 2400 baud access and no
extra charge for characters or packets transferred when using the
following access numbers.
To access BIX with these numbers follow these steps:
1. Dial the number with your computer and modem
2. Hit an 'a' terminal identifier, right after making the connection
(Tymnet will either give you some garbage on the screen or a
message saying 'please type your terminal identifier')
3. Type in 'bix' at the Tymnet 'please log in:' prompt.
4. Type in your bix username and password
Country City Rate/hour Phone Number Transfer Rate
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AUSTRALIA Sydney $29.00 (2)290-3400 300/1200/2400
BELGIUM Brussels $23.00 (2)647-1150 300/1200/2400
DENMARK Copenhagen $23.00 31-18-63-33 300/1200/2400
ITALY Milano $23.00 (2) 26-41-24-50 1200/2400
NETHERLANDS The Hague $23.00 (70) 3475032 300/1200/2400
(70) 3814641 1200
(70) 3477157 2400
(70) 3470181 2400
Eindhoven $23.00 (4902) 45530 300/1200/2400
SWEDEN Stockholm $25.00 (8) 294782 300/1200/2400
SWITZERLAND Geneva $25.00 (22) 782-9329 300/1200/2400
Zurich $25.00 (1) 730-9673 1200/2400
WEST GERMANY Cologne $23.00 (221) 210196 1200/2400
Frankfurt $23.00 (69) 666-8131 2400
(69) 666-4021 1200
Munich $23.00 (89) 350-7682 300/1200/2400
strani.bbs.69bojt,
Dejane, pristupaš li ti BITNET-u (treba sa nekim tamo da uspostavim
kontakt)?
strani.bbs.70dejanr,
>> Dejane, pristupaš li ti BITNET-u (treba sa nekim tamo da uspostavim
>> kontakt)?
Ako treba poslati poruku nekome čija se adresa završava sa .bitnet,
to nije nikakav problem - adresa kao i svaka druga. Bilo koji VAX u
JUPAK-u obavi posao.
Ako treba...
Pozdrav,
Dejan
strani.bbs.71dejanr,
U nastavku su dva razgovora sa PPC BBS-om. PPC je (nekadašnji) klub
korisnika HP kalkulatora i kompjutera, u međuvremenu na žalost propao...
ali BBS je i dalje tu!
Pozdrav,
Dejan
USA (213)9780024
CONNECT 300 / 08-25-90 (05:29)
resurrected PPC Bulletin Board Service
PCBoard (R) - Version 14.1/S
Do you want graphics (Enter)=no?
==========================================================================
Welcome to the recently ressurected PPC Bulletin Board Service
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
We support users of: o Handheld and Portable Computers
o Programmable Calculators (mostly HP)
300/1200/2400/9600 baud o Artificial Intelligence
===========================================================================
Your patience with new setup is appreciated; criticism is solicited!
What is your first name? dejan ristanovic
DEJAN RISTANOVIC not found in USER's file.
(R) to re-enter your name or (C) to continue logon as a new user? c
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ĐĐĐĐ ĐĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐĐ This machine is a public service of PPC Personal Programming ĐĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐĐ Center. You are invited to participate here and share in our ĐĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐĐ our esoteric interest in Artificial Intelligence, handheld ĐĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐĐ computers, and other technologies. ĐĐĐĐ
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ĐĐĐĐ If you have applied for validation, and your password does not ĐĐĐĐ
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ĐĐĐĐ new password. If you have not applied, read bulletin 5 for ĐĐĐĐ
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Would you like to register with us (Enter)=yes?
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Password (One word please!)? ........
(------------)
Re-enter password to verify? ........
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City and State calling from? Belgrade, YUGOSLAVIA
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Business VOICE phone # is? 011xxxxxx
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Home VOICE phone # is? 011xxxxxx
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What interests you here? HP calculators
Please wait - Adding name to Quick Index File ...
Registration Information Saved .
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90-08-12 All directories of download material are now re-organized and sort
of restored... except for directory 40 which is where I have
concentrated all of my troubles: files without descriptions, and descriptions
without files. Things should be working a lot better now.
90-07-05 Download files.... These are about 50% restored. I am still
working on it, but I hope to have everything up and going in
about 2 more days. There is a LOT of work to all this! Please be
patient. If you see any problems with the system, please report via
comment to the SlyFlop.
90-07-02 This BBS has been down almost 3 months. During this time, the
Kaypro 2000 emergency backup has served well to keep the flag flying.
Two days ago, the Hayes modem crapped out for the second time; it no longer
answers the phone. That provided the motivation to get this system up and
running again. Our memory is slightly increased from 80 meg to 133 meg. Also,
I have a different computer for the research jobs, so this one is all yours.
Enjoy!
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(M123456789012345678901234567890123456789)
MBase Areas: X
MBase Scans: X
Caller Num.: 5404
Lst Date On: 08-25-90
Expire Date: None
# Times On : 1
Page Length: 23
Expert Mode: Off
Security Lv: 40
# Downloads: 0
# Uploads : 0
Bytes Avail: 30720
L/Msg. Read: 0
High Msg. #: 1067
Active Msgs: 158
Tr/Protocol: None
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║A)bandon Conference G)oodbye (Hang Up) N)ew Files(Date) T)rans. Protocol ║
║B)ulletin Listings H)elp Functions O)perator Page ║
║ I)nitial Welcome V)iew Settings ║
║D)estroy, crash, and J)oin a Conference P)age Length W)rite User Info ║
║ burn this BBS ! K)ill a Message Q)uick Msg Scan X)pert On/Off ║
║E)nter a Message L)ocate Files(Name) R)ead Messages Y)our Per. Mail ║
║F)ile Directories M)ode (Graphics) S)cript Question Z)ippy DIR Scan ║
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║ hint: read the bulletins. your use of this BBS is free. ║
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ĐĐ│Đ 1 - About this machine and our organization. Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 2 - Some legal stuff you must know Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 3 - Rules and BBS Policies Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 4 - Southern California Association of Bulletin Board Operators Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 5 - How to get VALIDATED if you cant be reached by phone. Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 6 - BBS Manners and good operating practices Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 7 - Master List of available files (same as PPCFILES.ARC). Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 8 - Earthquake considerations. Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 9 - Pre-announcement of NEW HP HANDHELD! Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 10 - List of most popular files. Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 11 - Special bulletin for all harmonica players Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 12 - survey results: are mainframe programmers fit to sleep... Đ│ĐĐ
ĐĐ│Đ 13 - ASCII Bulletin Board List special for Jeff Allen Đ│ĐĐ
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(H)elp, (1-13), Bulletin List Command? 5
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ĐĐĐĐ Bulletin 5 ĐĐĐĐ So, HOW do you get validated? ĐĐĐĐ
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ĐĐĐ Your mail application must include the following: ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ - Your true and correct name ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ - A statement of your general interests ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ - Where you work or go to school and what you do or study ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ - A brief summary of your PC skills and experience ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ - A self-addressed stamped envelope ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ - A personal check for two dollars application fee payable to ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ Star Fleet Engineering. ĐĐĐ
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ĐĐĐ Mail your applicaton to: PPC Bulletin Board Service ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ PO Box 91387 ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ Los Angeles California 90009 ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ Upon approval of your application, you will receive a password by ĐĐĐ
ĐĐĐ return mail; you will be granted access to additional BBS features. ĐĐĐ
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(H)elp, (1-13), Bulletin List Command?
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To (Enter)=`ALL'? sysop
Subject (Enter)=abort? Hi
Message Security (H)=help? r
Enter your text. (Enter) alone to end. (72 chars/line, 99 lines maximum)
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1: Hi! I am calling from Belgrade, Yugoslavia, glad to see your BBS. I used
2: to be a member of PPC, my number is 9799.
3:
4: Hope to be here soon again!
5:
Command: (A), (C), (D), (E), (H), (I), (L), (S), (SC)? s
Saving Message # 1068 ..
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====== BYE ======
Logoff Information Saved...
Minutes Used: 11
Thanks for calling, Dejan!
ANSWER TONE
ONLINE 1200
NO ERROR CONTROL
CONNECT 1200 / 08-26-90 (06:51)
resurrected PPC Bulletin Board Service
PCBoard (R) - Version 14.1/S
Do you want graphics (Enter)=no?
==========================================================================
Welcome to the recently ressurected PPC Bulletin Board Service
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
We support users of: o Handheld and Portable Computers
o Programmable Calculators (mostly HP)
300/1200/2400/9600 baud o Artificial Intelligence
===========================================================================
Your patience with new setup is appreciated; criticism is solicited!
What is your first name? dejan
What is your last name? ristanovic
Password (Dots will echo)? ........
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(M123456789012345678901234567890123456789)
MBase Areas: X
MBase Scans: X
Caller Num.: 5423
Lst Date On: 08-25-90
Expire Date: None
# Times On : 2
Page Length: 23
Expert Mode: On
Security Lv: 40
# Downloads: 0
# Uploads : 0
Bytes Avail: 30720
L/Msg. Read: 0
High Msg. #: 1069
Active Msgs: 160
Tr/Protocol: None
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█ 1 (public) AIx: artificial intelligence technical and political █
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█ aerospace employment, and related issues. █
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Date: 02-05-90 (22:16) Number: 617
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: RONI WEISSMAN Read: 08-13-90 (07:23)
Subj: ISRAELI USER'S INFO. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
hye richard!
As a continuation to our phone conversation i founf the foloowing:
the only guy that realy exist is moshe buhbut from petah-tikva
which I think you talked with his wife.
He is working in strange hours, that's why it's hard to catch him.
His brother said that normally he is at home after 8pm(israel time)
which is 10am(usa time) or at work between 1pm(israel time) which
is 3am(usa time) and the evening.
Phone numbers that you can reach him are: 011-972-3-9330221(home)
011-972-3-5707797(work).
I don't know if you read my previous message(I left you one about two
weeks ago), but the dictionary(english-hebrew) does't work.
I am preparing now the zip files for the two word-processors that
I will upload shortly.
please leave me a message or call me at home (213)316-4037.
thank you and I would love hearing from you soon
roni weissman.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 02-07-90 (22:08) Number: 621
To: DAVID DE MULLE Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP Read: NO
Subj: GETTING MARRIED ? Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I guess you believe in marriage-- you do it so many times. Actually, I
will probably be married before you-- to that Chinese lady you met at
the reunion. A rabbi won't touch that one with a ten fut pole, but
perhaps a judge.... anyhow, we are definitely in the last days of
single richard (unless she dumps me again).
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 02-11-90 (09:15) Number: 635
To: ELLIS ARRONDO Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP Read: 02-12-90 (23:01)
Subj: AEROSPACE/DEFENSE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I think that the message from government and society is clear: you, as a
technical professional, are disposable. You are too highly paid, so it
is fitting justice that you be driven into poverty every ten years. As
for the people, they just want their drugs and television. As for the
government, they just want control over what the people want.
Get it ?
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 02-12-90 (06:54) Number: 642
To: FABIO GANZAROLI Refer#: NONE
From: LEONARDO SCOZZO Read: NO
Subj: RISPOSTA Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
ciao fabio ti ringrazo per il tuo messaggio messaggio
si chiamo da itapac tramite un gateway usa. ciao da leonardo
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 02-16-90 (06:59) Number: 653
To: DENNIS BAKER Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP Read: 03-16-90 (02:29)
Subj: PHONE VALIDATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Phone validation is being discontinued. Mail validation is now
required; If you do not validate by mail, you will be pushed off the BBS
in a few months.
I am sick and tired of chasing after users who are not reachable by
phone. If you do not like the way I operate this BBS, you can use
others! I am the dictator here!
Date: 02-16-90 (13:24) Number: 658
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BOB CHILDRESS Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: MORRIS/INTERNET WORM Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Sysop,
I am looking for a board that has a USR HST/DS modem. I know that
yours is USR, but is it the rest? Also I need to know if any local
board will allow uploads on the first call. I am attempting to get
another report on the Morris/Internet worm, this one a log of events
supposedly as they occured. I am afraid that it may already be in what
I uploaded earlier. If you or anyone could point me to a BBS that fits
the bill let me know. The file curently is on THE SCIENCE LAB in MD.
In the offhand chance that anyone in this area has access there, I would
appreciate hearing from them.
Thanks
BOB
(H)elp, End of Message Command? r 800
Sorry, no mail found to read ...
(H)elp, (617-1069), Message Read Command? 1020+
Date: 08-05-90 (22:38) Number: 1021
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP Read: (N/A)
Subj: MORE FILES Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Directories 1 through 20 are now more or less restored. Downloading
should function OK.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-07-90 (10:46) Number: 1022
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: NICK MESTANAS Read: 08-07-90 (12:41)
Subj: BACK ON-LINE? Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Judging from the speed that menus come up at, I would guess that the
hard disk is back up again. If so, congrats. I've also noticed some of
the former conferences are available again. It's good to have you back.
See Ya Later, Nick
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-07-90 (20:57) Number: 1026
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN CARNAGHIE Read: 08-15-90 (17:12)
Subj: GOOD TO SEE "IT" WORKING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Glad to see that the board is up and working again. How goes your quest
for the perfect law school so you can pilage and plunder like the big
cats instead of working for a living? I understand that with the new
search routines and the online data bases, even certain species of the
great apes could pass the bar! With a technical background you can
always enter the nice field of product liability. Of course with the
situation in Kuwait / Irag / Saudi Arabia / etc. we may get back on the
alternative fuels again. Anyway, thanks for restoring the board!....
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-07-90 (23:02) Number: 1027
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: SCOTT JOHNSON Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: HP 48SX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm glad to see this board up and running again.
I have a question about the new HP 48SX, can easily be used a message
and appointment book like the Sharp Wizard? And can it be set to ring
an alarm at say 4:32pm December 12, 1990? If so how many alarms? I
like the math feature of the HP (make that love the math functions) but
I also like the appointment/ notepad concept of the Wizard. If it can
do the above I will get one right away.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-08-90 (07:10) Number: 1028
To: SCOTT JOHNSON Refer#: 1027
From: SYSOP Read: 08-10-90 (00:42)
Subj: HP 48SX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
If you have any questions about the HP-48SX, there will soon be a
special conference for that machine and other handheld computers. Check
it out.
Everything may not be 100% working on this BBS; I am restoring a few
more megs every day, so things should get better.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-16-90 (15:33) Number: 1042
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: TOM SHAO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: VALIDATED Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
HI.MY NAME IS TOM SHAO. I'M THE NEW USER OF BBS. I'M CALLING FROM CULVER
CITY, CA. I LIKE GAMES, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM,ETC. THE THREE BBS WHICH I
USUALLY CALL ARE WEST L.A. BBS, DPS BBS, AND MOTHER BORAD BBS. WHAT
SHOULD I DO IF I WANT TO BE VALIDATED? THANK FOR READING THE MESSANGE.
BYE-BYE.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-16-90 (17:40) Number: 1044
To: TOM SHAO Refer#: 1042
From: SYSOP Read: 08-18-90 (01:28)
Subj: GETTING VALIDATED Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
If you want to be validated, you must read the bulletins. When you
logged on the first time, you were shown a screen that explained about
validation.
The reason you need to be validated is to get more time.... You get
more time by uploading, but you cannot upload until you are vaidated.
This way I know who supplied each file in the BBS; any illegal files
will be traced back to whoever uploaded them.
There are a lot of bad guys who give fake phone numbers and names. If
you are one of those, I invite you to re-register under your real name
and phone number.
As a minimum, you must read bulletins 1 through 5 for instructions.
Also, be advised that I will not post games or graphics here; they
attract undesireable users. You took the right step when you left a
message; now you might read and reply to the messages of others.
Good luck, I hope I am some help to you.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-17-90 (20:24) Number: 1046
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BOB KROHN Read: (N/A)
Subj: HP-41CX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have severalHP-41CX calculators for sale. These have no manuals or
accesories. But at $60 ea who cares!! Call me at 714-523-0647 for info
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-18-90 (14:08) Number: 1047
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE WISER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: REGISTRATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hello
I have registered early while you were trying to rebuild your system
from your crash. How about upgradeing my security? I am interested in
the hp48 information you may have. Thanks
Steve wiser
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-19-90 (13:02) Number: 1051
To: SYSOP Refer#: 1002
From: JIM ENGELHARDT Read: 08-19-90 (22:11)
Subj: NON-DESTRUCTIVE PARTITION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I currently use a dual 10 Mb Bernoulli setup. Fast, quick to back up,
and I haven't lost a byte yet.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-19-90 (13:07) Number: 1052
To: SYSOP Refer#: 1002
From: JIM ENGELHARDT Read: 08-19-90 (22:15)
Subj: WELCOME BACK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
...by the way, welcome back. What hardware is your main board running
on? Just curious - it seems to have had its share of problems, and, as
the main requirement for systems here at the museum is that they be cast
iron, I like to know the bad as well as the good...
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-19-90 (22:11) Number: 1054
To: JIM ENGELHARDT Refer#: 1051
From: SYSOP Read: 08-25-90 (10:14)
Subj: BACKUP Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Something went wrong when I upgraded this thing to a '386 and dos 4;
fastback no longer works. I will soon be experimenting with alternates.
My funds available for adding on are exhausted for this year. Next
year, I hope to expand to 1/2 gigabyte; this will leave nothing for tape
or anything special like that.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-19-90 (22:15) Number: 1055
To: JIM ENGELHARDT Refer#: 1052
From: SYSOP Read: 08-25-90 (10:14)
Subj: SYSTEM CONFIGURATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
First of all, the new operating system is a product of good old Digital
Research.... nope, its not CPM; it's DOS 4 ! The new cpu is an
SX-386; it has the same performance as a high end '286, but can be
expanded in memory and in other ways (next year). The disk drive is a
MAXTOR 190 megger (unfortunately, it is the kind of drive that is
designed for the Novelle LAN) The modem is a USR 9600.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-19-90 (23:33) Number: 1056
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: TOD DEBIE Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: MODEM??? Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I just became the proud owner of a 'FUJITSU M1927L 14.4K bps TRELLIS
CODED MODEM', and I don't know a thing about it. If any of you know
if it can be used as a regular modem, or if you know anything about it
at all, please leave me a message.
Tod.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-20-90 (10:19) Number: 1057
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: TIM RIDER Read: 08-21-90 (06:58)
Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Well, I'm now a sysop.....Not quite a real one though....A co-sysop...
I run someone else's BBS.....Do you know Chip North??
Well, I run his BBS for him.....But it's still his BBS.....
I can't do much work on it because It's not in my house....It's running
Wildcat....registered....Too bad....Wanted to run Telegard or
RemoteAccess but he already registered Wildcat....Number is 371-3737
Don't call though....It's not really setup yet....
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-21-90 (06:55) Number: 1058
To: TOD DEBIE Refer#: 1056
From: SYSOP Read: 08-22-90 (22:45)
Subj: MODEM??? Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Modems are sort of standardized on the Bell 103 and Bell 212 methods of
encoding. You should be able to work any BBS at the lower speeds.
Why not plug it in and try it out?
Incidentally, I build my RS-232 cables from parts I get at radio shack.
I always put both a male and a female connector at each end. It costs a
bit more, but I can do any job with any cable.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-21-90 (08:38) Number: 1060
To: DATABASE Refer#: NONE
From: BENNIE HEGGINS Read: NO
Subj: DATABASE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'M LOOKING FOR A DATABASE THAT WOULD NOT BE TO HARD FOR A NOVICE TO
LEARN.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-21-90 (13:50) Number: 1062
To: BENNIE HEGGINS Refer#: 1060
From: SYSOP Read: 08-22-90 (07:27)
Subj: DATABASE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Look in directory 3; there is some shareware stuff in there.
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-22-90 (22:02) Number: 1064
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: TIM RIDER Read: 08-22-90 (23:58)
Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Well, I am not THE sysop....I do the sysop's tasks....But Chip North
pays for it....So he gets the right to be THE sysop....
Well, my BBS now runs at 19200 baud and has 140 megs for the BBS.....
Am running WIldcat registered with PRO! utils.....
Thanks for the sysop conf. Will need help setting up for FIDOnet....
Will be a toughy.....
Did I give you the number??? 371-3737 Go ahead and call....We are
ready for the public....Just don't use Bimodem yet....Just installed the
HST and I haven't configured Bimodem for it....
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Date: 08-25-90 (05:40) Number: 1068
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: DEJAN RISTANOVIC Read: NO
Subj: HI Status: RECEIVER ONLY
Hi! I am calling from Belgrade, Yugoslavia, glad to see your BBS. I used
to be a member of PPC, my number is 9799.
Hope to be here soon again!
(H)elp, End of Message Command?
Sysop CHAT active
Hello, this is SlyFlop.
Hello, is this call really from Europe?
Yes, sort of, i use packet network to some outdial near you, than call
from there. But I am physically in Yugoslavia.
Great. I have had some Italians, and one guy from Seul, South Korea.
well, now from Yugoslavia also... is there still a PPC Computer/calculator
Journal?
No more. The organization was disbanded in August 1988 after the CHHU schizm
and the advent of cheap PC's took away most of our members. I think they are
still active in Denmark.
I am sorry to hear that, Calc Journal was a great thing at that time. And
CHHU (I assume its Richard Nelsons new magazine), is it also discontinued?
Yes. CHHU is also dead. Nelson lost everything: fortune, family, friends,
etc. He now works for EduCalc Mail Store. THey sell calculators and books
cheap through the mail. He is gradually recovering, but I hope he does not
do it again. The great weakness of PPC and CHHU was its dependency on one
strong-willed person.
I am very sorry about all that, I still use my HP41CV as a calculator and I
sometimes refer to PPC ROM and its papers, what a job that was!
I know. I have a couple of programs in there (I am Richard Schwartz).
Hi Richard, nice to hear you in person... Well, I am afraid I'll have to go,
this call will probably cost a fortune :(
OK, I sure hope you call again.. I hope we can get some kind of club
together. HP does NOT support users at all, so we need something. Please
call back some time. Bye.....
Sysop CHAT ended at 07:08
(5 min. left) Main Board Command? g
====== BYE ======
Logoff Information Saved...
Minutes Used: 18
Thanks for calling, Dejan!
strani.bbs.72kvelkovski,
Help!
Hteo bih da uspostavim vezu sa nekim BBS-om iz susednih
zemalja, prvenstveno iz Bugarske i Grcke (u Albaniji valjda nema
;-) ). Pa ako neko ima podatke ...
Kire
strani.bbs.73miro,
Evo i mog malog priloga sa HomeBase BBS-a. Malo sam pogledao te
njihove terapije. Nista narocito. Evo i log datoteke.
Miro
mcafee.zipstrani.bbs.74zormi,
Bio sam na Detroit Download Central BBS-u. Izgleda da je
posvecen iskljucivo download-u public software-a :-)
Sam spisak raspolozivih naslova ima oko 600 Kb (!).
Zainteresovanima saljem LOG datoteku.
ddc.zipstrani.bbs.75mhibler,
Evo brojeva jednog BBS-a iz Njemačke:
CUBE Net Munchen
089/263044 ┐
├ 2400, 8N1
089/2605331 ┘
089/2605338 300-19200, 8N1
Iz razumljivih (čitaj - financijskih) razloga nisam provjeravao šta je sa
druge strane ovih brojeva ;)
MAH
strani.bbs.76dejanr,
Date: 10-05-90 (00:16) Number: 1204
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: AL GORDON Read: (N/A)
Subj: ATTENTION TECHNICAL PROS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Every day, dozens of technical jobs open in San Diego, Cal-
ifornia. Tech Pro BBS is your free, instantaneous source for
many of these openings. From Retail Salespersons to Senior
Project Engineers; from Assemblers to Software Developers,
Tech Pro BBS is there with the listings, updated twice weekly.
No opening is over two weeks old.
IMPORTANT! During your initial logon, you will be asked for
the MASTER SYSTEM PASSWORD. Enter JOBS. You must enter JOBS to
access the openings. Then, enter B at the first main menu prompt
and select the San Diego openings subboard. The jobs are standard
messages on this subboard.
619-755-7357 24 hours, 7 days, 300-9600 baud
Tech Pro BBS is a FREE public service to the technical community.
(PLEASE PASS THE WORD ON--I CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR ADVERTISING)
strani.bbs.77vzivkovic,
Zdravo!
Pre neki dan sam posetio QSD - francuski CHAT sistem, u
nameri da pronadjem NUA (outdial) za oblasti 209 i 805,
i evo mog razgovora sa jednim Amerikancem preko TymNet-a,
i kako se ophodio prema meni (Jugoslaviji);
Sami prosudite da li je u redu:
---------------------------------------------------
Razgovor je poceo tako sto sam ga ja pitao da li ima
gore navedene, a on mi je rekao da ima...
(nazalost nisam imao ukljucen LOG)
---------------------------------------------------
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) - njegove poruke
if you give me something
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) - moje poruke
What? What do you need from me. I will give you everrthing I got!
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
alright shoot
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet)
What? Are you kidding? Please, tell me, please...
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
trade me some fuckin shit and i will u pissyy
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet)
Why are you so rude? Can you be nice?
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
you dont understand if u dont trade me anything im not going to give you
shit
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet)
WHAT??? I am poor :))
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
fuck learn english
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet)
It is not my fault because I am learning
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
eat my dick you piece of shit!!!!!! We are 6the awesomest country and
evrybody wants to fuckin come here but we dont want them
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet)
Go to hell!
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
u dont know what the fuck ur saying!! u dont make anysoince
Message to iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet)
Get lost!
Message from iNEEDa1087 (USA/TymNet) :
suck my dick
---------------------------------
Pa sada sami prosudite... Da li je to u redu od njih?!
strani.bbs.78vcalic,
>> Pre neki dan sam posetio QSD - francuski CHAT sistem, u nameri da pronadjem
>>NUA (outdial) za oblasti 209 i 805, i evo mog razgovora sa jednim Amerikancem
>>preko TymNet-a, i kako se ophodio prema meni (Jugoslaviji);
Pa ti si potpuno zaboravio i odakle si i kako se zoves. Zar jedan
Vlada da dopusti da mu to urade? More, treb'o si ti njemu, onako po naski,
sve po spisku. I oca i majku i Abrahama Linkolna i Kim Besindzer, pa da vidis
kako ce odma' da promeni stil ophodjenja.
pozdrav, Vlada
P.S. Ah, da. Sledeci put se na QSD ubaci pod imenom Saddam Husein
strani.bbs.79vzivkovic,
Zdravo!
>>P.S. Ah, da. Sledeci put se na QSD ubci pod imenom Saddam Husein
Eh, kada bi to bilo tako lako. Naime, na QSD-u je slobodan pristup,
pa mozes da stavis ime koje hoces, nema ni passworda.
Glavni problem je u tome sto QSD automatski prepozna odakle si (meni je u
zagradi napisao "Yugoslavia").
Nego, jesi li pricao sa Al loweom??????
Ja jesam !! :))))
strani.bbs.80dejanr,
>> Glavni problem je u tome sto QSD automatski prepozna odakle si (meni je u
>> zagradi napisao "Yugoslavia").
Eh, još ste svi vi amateri... :)
strani.bbs.81dejanr,
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 20:08 EST
From: B_FOLEY@UVMVAX.BITNET
Subject: Telestroika
For people interested in contacting people in the USSR for pen-pals,
I recently found the following information posted to a list called
BIO-NAUT@FINHUTC. This is a list of BITNET (or INTERNET?) nodes
in the Soviet Union, and a few personal addresses at some of those
nodes.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Russian nodes and contacts... an update.
Right now the following institutes are accessible:
demos.su - DEMOS (network R&D center & software mfr)
kiae.su - Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy
(our major backbone host runs there)
icsti.su - International Center of Scientific &
Technology Information
velham.su - project VELHAM (psychology & education)
jvd.su - Joint Venture Dialogue
ipmce.su - Institute of Precise Mechanics & Computers
Engineering
hantarex.su - Joint Venture Hantarex
isi.itfs.nsk.su - Institute of Systems Researches (Novosibirsk)
kaija.spb.su - Center KAIJA (Leningrad)
iias.spb.su - Institute of Informatique (Leningrad)
ioc.ew.su - Institute of Cybernetics (Estonia, Tallinn)
public.su - Public Domain
The situation changes every day - our net is growing quckly.
Here a list of persons who could provide you an information about
addressess:
avg@hq.demos.su ptr@kiae.su plb@plb.icsti.su
nnd@isi.itfs.nsk.su chech@post.kaija.spb.su
dburk@gsp.iias.spb.su leo@ioc.ew.su sergey@s514.ipmce.su
strani.bbs.82boban,
Da li neko zna broj nekog BBS (Fido i sl.) ili javnog servisa u
severnoj Italiji. Spisak koji moze da se nadje na TANJUGU je neupo-
trebljiv, verovatno je ocajno zastareo. Od gomile brojeva dobio sam
gomilu zbunjenih, besnih i bunovnih 'Pronto!' i jednu poruku da je
broj promenjen.
Ako ima takvih, bio bih zahvalan za licnu poruku ili odgovor u
ovoj COnf.
BOBAN
strani.bbs.83dpozaric,
Ima li netko mozda broj THUNDERBALL CAVE BBS u Oslu, Norveska ?
Naime, dogodilo mi se to da sam broj izgubio a od jednog prijatelja cujem da se
tamo dogadjaju lijepe stvari pa bih opet malo htio biti "aktivan".
Unaprijed hvala,
Drazen.
strani.bbs.84zormi,
>> Ima li netko mozda broj THUNDERBALL CAVE BBS u Oslu, Norveska ?
(047)-256-7018 Thunderball Cave, Oslo, Norway (2 Nodes)
Jon Orten /E 12/24/96-USR32 24 Hours DS HST, Node 2 Nokia
ECM4896M, ProDoor, RelayNet, DOORS
strani.bbs.85dpozaric,
***************************************
(047)-256-7018 Thunderball Cave, Oslo, Norway (2 Nodes)
Jon Orten /E 12/24/96-USR32 24 Hours DS HST, Node 2 Nokia
ECM4896M, ProDoor, RelayNet, DOORS
***************************************
Thank you very much, zormi ! :)))
Pozdrav,
Drazen.
strani.bbs.86georges,
▀┐ÁOĘZNATE LI STA JE SA FRANCUSKIM BBSovima? POSTOJE LI UOPSTE?
AKO POSTOJE, MOLIO BIH VAS DA MI ISPOSETE KOJI SU.
HVALA. GEORGES.
strani.bbs.87dejanr,
==========
bix.business/changes #13, from sysmgr, 2158 chars, Thu Dec 6 00:45:42 1990
----------
TITLE: BIXNet Announcement
For Immediate Release
December 5, 1990
BIX Opens Its Own Low-Cost Data Network in 7 Major Cities
The BYTE Information Exchange (BIX), the leading electronic
publication for computer-using professionals, announces the
opening of BIXnet, its low-cost, X.25 data communications
network, now in operation in 7 major metropolitan areas.
BIXnet offers BIX subscribers access for only $2 per hour from
5 pm until 8 am on weeknights and all day on Saturday and Sunday.
The weekday rate is only $6 per hour. There is no additional
charge for 2400-baud access. Unlimited weeknight and weekend
access is available for $20 a month. BIXnet supports 2400/1200
baud access and MNP5.
"BIXnet's $2 per hour is cheap compared with CompuServe's $12.50
per hour and GEnie's $6 per hour," says Stephen M. Laliberte, the
Director of BIX. "BIX is a publication. Our goal is to provide
as much high-quality information as possible at a reasonable
price. Slashing connect fees is in keeping with that philosophy."
BIX is the leading electronic publication for high-powered
computer professionals and enthusiasts. It offers a wide variety
of technical information and support, computer program source
code, technology news, utility programs, public domain software,
electronic mail, chat services, and entertainment and leisure
activities.
BIX charges a flat $39 every three months for use of the entire
service. There is no connect fee for direct access at (617) 861-
9767, or for 9600 baud, (617) 861-9780. Access via Tymnet is
available at $6 per hour weekdays and $3 per hour between 7 pm
and 6 am and all-day Saturday and Sunday. Unlimited weeknight
and weekend Tymnet costs only $20 a month.
The BIXnet numbers are:
Chicago (312) 616-1071 Los Angeles (213) 383-9856
New York (212) 797-5620 San Francisco (415) 434-4510
Toronto (416) 960-3187 Washington, DC (202) 463-4920
Hightstown, NJ (609) 426-7110
Log-in to BIXnet by dialing the local access number and
responding as follows:
Prompt: You enter
Service> bix
For more information, call BIX at (603) 924-7681 or toll-free at
(800) 227-2983.
strani.bbs.88zormi,
Ima li neko iskustva sa uclanjivanjem u EXEC-PC BBS. Ja sam
pokusao, ali ne primaju VISA kartice izvan USA i Canade...
strani.bbs.89vkostic,
Pozdrav svima!
Evo mene sa puta. Bio sam u Italiji da se zezam sa nekim MINITEL
mreza. Ukratko:
Minitel mreza se zove preko Minitel terminala (vrlo su lepi, ali sa
tastaturom a la Spectrum) koji se iznajme od telefonske kompanije po
nekoj smesnoj ceni - recimo 5 DM mesecno.
Postoji bar jedno 40 CHAT sistema u toj mrezi. Ja sam radio za firmu
koja drzi AAA CHAT LINE. Ulazak u bilo koji CHAT se naplacuje oko 15
DM po satu. Vreme naravno nije ograniceno.
AAA CHAT ima 64 linije. Sve radi na jednoj 286-ici. U jednom trenutku
se nakacilo 19 korisnika i sve je radilo bez nekog dramaticnog pada
performansi.
Softver je tuga bozija. CHAT nije kao nas nego se poruka salje samo
jednom korisniku. Na ekranu se uvek vidi spisak svih korisnika. Obicno
ih ima 10-15.
U CHAT-u je sve puno devojaka. Najveci stos je taj da 40 firmi koje
drze razne CHAT-ove zaposljavaju devojke da non-stop vise na liniji i
zabavljaju korisnike. To se zove borba za trziste.
AAA CHAT zaposljava 6 devojaka. Ne pitajte kakve! Sve se setkaju u
super kratkim mini sukjicama u sred decembra. Praznik za moje kockaste
oci od gledanja u monitore! I to ne samo njih sest. Sve devojke po
Rimu furaju mini suknjice.
Toliko za sada. Opsirnije u Racunarima ako se urednik smiluje da
objavi prilog.
V.K.
strani.bbs.90bulaja,
Ima li neko outdial nua za 516 (usa).
strani.bbs.91djovicevic,
Selected List of Government
Bulletin Board Systems
Updated: January 3, 1991
STATE Bulletin Board Name/Sponsor Phone Numbers
------------------------------------------------------------------------
DC ADAIC BBS (ADA Programming) Line 1: 202-694-0215
ADA Information Center Line 2: 301-459-3865
DC Automated Library Info. Exchange (ALIX) Line 1: 202-707-9656
Fed. Library & Info. Center Comm.
DC Bureau of Prisons BBS Line 1: 202-272-4545
US Bureau of Prisons
DC Commerce Dept. BBS Line 1: 202-377-1423
US Dept of Commerce
DC DC Government BBS Line 1: 202-727-6668
District of Columbia
DC DC Info Exchange Line 1: 202-433-6639
US Navy
DC Economic BBS (fee-based) Line 1: 202-377-0433
US Dept. of Commerce Line 2: 202-377-3870
DC Education/OERI BBS Line 1: 202-357-6011
US Dept. of Education Line 2: 202-357-6012
DC EIA BBS Line 1: 202-586-8658
Energy Information Admin.
DC Export License Status Advisor (ELISA I) Line 1: 202-697-6109
US Dept. of Defense
DC Export License Status Advisor (ELISA II) Line 1: 202-697-3632
US Dept. of Defense
DC FDIC BBS Line 1: 202-371-9578
Fed. Deposit Ins. Corp.
DC Fed. Highway Administration Line 1: 202-366-3764
US Dept. of Transportation
DC FERC-CIPS Line 1: 202-357-8997
Fed. Energy Regulatory Comm.
DC GAO Information Tech. Center Line 1: 202-275-1050
General Accounting Office
DC GSA - IRSC Line 1: 202-535-7661
General Services Admin.
DC JAG Net (Navy-legal) Line 1: 202-325-0748
US Navy Judge Advocate General
DC Justice Dept. BBS Line 1: 202-898-0318
US Dept. of Justice
DC Megawatts One Line 1: 301-353-5059
US Dept. of Energy
DC Metro Net Line 1: 202-475-7543
US Army Military Dist. of DC
DC Minority Energy Info Clearing House Line 1: 202-586-1561
US Dept. of Energy
DC NADAP BBS Line 1: 202-693-3831
US Navy
DC NAMARA JAG Net Line 1: 202-889-9214
US Navy Judge Advocate General
DC NANCI (Naval Aviation News) Line 1: 202-475-1973
Naval Aviation News Magazine
DC NARDAC - Laser Line 1: 202-475-7885
US Navy
DC NASA HQ Information Technology Center Line 1: 202-453-9008
NASA
DC Naval Observatory (1200/E/7/1) Line 1: 202-653-1079
US Naval Observatory
DC NAVDAC BBS Line 1: 202-433-2118
Naval Data Automation Command
DC OCRWM - INFOLINK Line 1: 202-586-9359
Off Civ Radioactive Waste Mgt
DC Science Resourse Studies BBS Line 1: 202-634-1764
National Science Foundation
MD ALF - Agricultural Library Forum Line 1: 301-344-8510
National Agricultural Library
MD Census Bureau BBS Line 1: 301-763-4576
US Bureau of the Census
MD Census Bureau Personnel BBS Line 1: 301-763-4574
US Bureau of the Census
MD FCC Public Access Link Line 1: 301-725-1072
Fed. Communications Commission
MD Lipid Nutritional Laboratory Line 1: 301-344-1277
US Dept. of Agriculture
MD MSG-RBBS Line 1: 301-227-1042
David Taylor Naval Res. Ctr. Line 2: 301-227-3428
MD NIST/Data Management Info. Exchange Line 1: 301-948-2048
Natl. Inst. for Stds. & Tech.
MD NIST/Microcomputer Elect. Info. Exchange Line 1: 301-948-5717
Natl. Inst. for Stds. & Tech. Line 2: 301-948-5718
MD NOAA BBS Line 1: 301-770-0069
Natl. Ocean. & Atmsph. Admin.
MD State Data Cen./Business-Ind. Data Cent. Line 1: 301-763-1568
US Bureau of the Census
VA Computer Communications Network (CCN) Line 1: 703-602-3693
US Dept. of the Navy
VA DASC-ZSA Line 1: 703-274-5863
Defense Logistics Agency
VA Ft. Myer O Club BBS Line 1: 703-524-4159
Fort Myer Officers Club
VA Geological Survey BBS Line 1: 703-648-4168
US Geological Survey
VA Natl. Biological Impact Assessment Prog. Line 1: 703-231-3858
US Dept of Agriculture Line 2: 800-624-2723
strani.bbs.92zeljkod,
Ev│o jedan globalni outdial: 6311030100133
Na pitanje service: ´kkucati dialout
a zatim : d +011+# gdje je # broj (za YU pocinje sa 38)
Nadam se▀││ daí ce▀ pomoci ali nije sto posto siguran u svako doba
danaů
#6 1234567890 Ja sam
╔Ô─´kÔ├'Š*ůÚ]Ęí▀´kĘ││ŚÔ┬│Ýy║s│Ó´küuÓ´ků´k│vň─▀ííŚÍídaÓŠ*nas #6
1234567890 tako Ű│#6 1234567890 #6 1234567890 zvao
SEZAMí´kŚí al─i je pred kraj veza postala losa. Pozdrav Zeljko
strani.bbs.93dejanr,
>> Evo jedan globalni outdial: 6311030100133
Hvala! čurim da probam :)
Dejan
strani.bbs.94agobovic,
Ponovi poruku, bilo je mnogo smeca. :(
strani.bbs.95dejanr,
E **** ga, baš smo mi Jugosloveni NEŠTO u ovom svetu.Taj globalni
outdial je popodne radio jako lepo, a već noćas, pola dana po objavljivanju
na Sezamu, traži password!
Osećam da su svi krenuli da zovu Zagreb preko Amerike jer je tako jeftinije!
:(((
strani.bbs.96dejanr,
==========
tojerry/russia #969, from athomson, 4022 chars, Sat Feb 9 14:18:15 1991
Comment(s).
----------
TITLE: Soviet bulletin boards
The recent SOVNET digests have a lot of interesting messages on
emailing to/from the USSR. There is too much to post here, but I
thought this current list of Soviet boards might be of interest.
If anyone is interested in the rest of the digests, I'll be glad
to bixmail it.
athomson
From: John Ausland <d_ausland_j@kari.uio.no>
Subject: SOVIET BBSs
I do not know whether this of interest to anyone, but here is a list
of Soviet BBSs which I received from an EMAIL contact in Moscow.
Regards, John Ausland
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= John C. Ausland, Sondrev. 4, 0378 Oslo 3, Norway Tlf. 141768 =
= Internet:d_ausland_j@kari.uio.no .. CIS:73240,2704 =
= FAX: +47 2 163092 .. IAS MOSCOW:AUSLAND =
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Note, that Moscow Fair BBSs are "English speaking".
BBS in USSR
Mscw - Moscow, Taln - Tallinn, Tart - Tartu
NAME NUMBER COMMENT
-------------------------------------------------------
Kremlin FIDO Mscw 8W(095)205-3554 MNP5
Evil SysOp (?) Mscw 8W(095)128-4661
Moscow Fair BBS 1 Mscw 8W(095)366-5209 MNP6 up to 9600bps
Moscow Fair BBS 2 Mscw 8W(095)366-5175 MNP5
Morning Star Novosibirsk 8W(383)235-6722 2400bps
SVP BBS Novosibirsk 8W(383)235-4570
MamBox BBS old Taln 8W(0142)532-136 are to stop operate
MamBox BBS new Taln 8W(0142)443-360
Hackers Night Sys.1 Taln 8W(0142)442-143
Hackers Night Sys.2 Taln 8W(0142)601-818
Micro BBS Taln 8W(0142)444-644
P.O. Box Maximus Taln 8W(0142)529-237
Eston. BBS#1 Eesti Taln 8W(0142)422-583
MESO BBS Tart 8W(014)343-3434 are to stop operate
Goodwin BBS old Taln 8W(0142)442797
Goodwin BBS new Taln 8W(0142)691872
Inn BBs Taln 8W(0142)423178 nonstandard modem?
Mail Shark BBS Taln 8W(0142)532350 only mail
PaPeR BBS Taln 8W(0143)433351
Lion's Cave BBS Taln 8W(0142)536246 nonstandard modem?
On weekend the most BBS operate 24 hours. All other days
22.00-9.00 or something about that.
strani.bbs.97dejanr,
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Note 15.2 Bix 2 of 2
BUEFQ5::PANTIC27986D "Srdjan Pantic ETF Beograd" 18 lines 10-JAN-1991 11:44
-< 42 i hvala na ribi! >-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Svi se secate Adamsa i njegove urnebesne knjige: "Vodic kroz
Galaksiju za autostopere" i ostalih.
Pa ako se secate onda vam ce se dopasti jedan BBS koji pod tim
imenom vodi Larry Bristol iz, kako on to voli da kaze, "velike
drzave Teksas, najboljeg dela SAD", a posvecen je programiranju,
glavne teme za sada su programiranje u Cu, asembleru, OOP i prikaz
softverskih proizvoda.
BBS je singl, nekomercijalan i nepretenciozan, ali je zanimljiv
za videti, naravno bez suvise ocekivanja.
Covek je inace zainteresovan za razglednice iz Jugoslavije, pa
ako zelite da popunite svoju kolekciju sa Teksasom, :).
Ako jos uvek je neko zainteresovan:
(713) 242-0504
Pozdrav, Srdjan
strani.bbs.98dejanr,
=============================================================================
Note 33.13 Komercialne mreze 13 of 14
CATHY::LAVRENCIC "Borut B. Lavrencic,IJS/492" 44 lines 15-FEB-1991 14:55
-< Pristop v CompuServe >-
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
< Note 33.8 by UEK::RACUNARI "Dejan Ristanovic" >
-< How much $$ >-
> Koliko kosta pristup CS$? I postoji li NUA za poziv, moze li placanje
> karticom...
Pristop do CopuServe je mozen, vsaj kar se registracije tice, tudi preko
Jupaka.
Pri registraciji te vprasajo za # kreditne karte.
Charges:
1200, 2400 baud $ 6.00/hr
9600 baud $22.50/hr
$5/month minimum.
Extra charge for BBS topics:
Money Matters/Market ; Investment Support ; Online Brokerage; Wire News ;
Travel/Aviation ; Mail to Fax
------------------------
PRISTOP
Terminal nastavi na 9600 bd, even parity , 7 bits, 1 stop bit (9600 E71)
$ set host/x29 63132
Host Name:CIS
User ID:177000,1271
Password:EXPLORE/WORLD
Agreement Number:ZS1663
Serial Number:13743084
%PAD-I-COM, call connected to remote DTE
Host Name: cis
User ID: 177000,1271
Password:
Please Enter:
Agreement #: zs1663
Serial #: 13743084
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As an Executive Service Option member you will be subject to a nominal
$10.00 (US) per month minimum usage level starting in second month of
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You must register your name and billing information at this time.
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Customers agree during the online sign up procedure to the terms and
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communications, in the public areas of the service grants CompuServe the
right to edit, copy, republish and distribute such data, materials, and
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each customer who places data, materials or other information on the service
retains any rights customer may have in such data, materials or other
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Copyrighted material must not be placed on the Service without the author's
permission. Only the owner(s) or persons they specifically authorize may
upload copyrighted material to the Service.
Customers may download copyrighted material for their own use. Any customer
may also non-commercially redistribute a copyrighted program with the
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PUBLIC DOMAIN MATERIAL
Any customer may upload public domain programs to the Service. Any customer
may download public domain programs for their own use or non-commercially
redistribute a public domain program. Customer assumes all risks regarding
the determination of whether a program is in the public domain.
INFORMATION CONTENT & USES OF THE SERVICE
Customer agrees not to publish on or over the Service any information which
violates or infringes upon the rights of any other person or any information
which would be abusive, profane or sexually offensive to an average person,
or which, without the approval of CompuServe, contains any advertising or
any solicitation of other customers to use goods or services. This
paragraph, however, shall not be interpreted to restrict Customer from
utilizing CompuServe Mail in the conduct of a legitimate business except
that Customer may not, without the approval of CompuServe, send unsolicited
advertising or promotional material to other CompuServe Customers.
Customer agrees not to use the facilities and capabilities of the Service
to conduct any business or activity or solicit the performance of any
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strani.bbs.99mladjo,
Da li je tuzno kad imas prikljucak na JUPAK, a nemas adresa stranih BBS-a.
Zato pomagajte drugovi.
Ovo pitanje sam mogao postaviti i i konf. JUPAK (sto cu i uraditi).
Posto mi istice registracija bas danaĚK ś┐P>~?~s, necu ni moci da procitam
vase odgovore.Ali znam ko moze.
strani.bbs.100dejanr,
>> Da li je tuzno kad imas prikljucak na JUPAK, a nemas adresa stranih
>> BBS-a. Zato pomagajte drugovi.
Uradi conf download strani.bbs /a /f pa ćeš naći toga koliko želiš.
Pozdrav,
Dejan
strani.bbs.102zormi,
EXEC-PC BBS je počeo da prima VISA kartice iz Evrope
(dosada su primali samo američke). Pretplata je $20 za 3
meseca, odnosno $60 za godinu. Ja nisam mogao da odolim...
Za one koji ne znaju, radi se o najvećem svetskom BBS-u
koji raspolaže sa 213 telefonskih linija (od toga 45 na 9600
ili 14400 bps), više od 35 000 public i shareware programa
(250 000 zip-ovanih datoteka), 6 000 MB hard diskova, 85 000
on-line poruka...
Nadam se da cu ove nedelje uspeti da skinem "short" spisak
raspoloživih programa (oko 900 kB zip-ovano).
Broj telefona je 991-414-789-4210.
strani.bbs.103godza,
Pogledajte šta se dešava u "informatički kulturnom svetu"
Received: and processed by DEMPO version 4.6
To: DEMPO!BITNET::MAC-LčYALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
From: LUKAS001 "LUKAS, VICTOR T "
Received by DEMPO: Thu May 2 11:28:30 1991
From: VTL
To: bitnet::mac-lčyalevm.ycc.yale.edu
Subject: possible privacy violations
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TO any prodigy subscribers, and to any folks concerned with
privacy Issues or with system security.
Read the part BELOW the attorney investigation announcement.
It would appear that PRODIGY, owned by IBM and SEARS, is being
investigated as being under suspicion of cutting new ground in the
violation privacy and in snooping.
I pass this on as news that an investigation is apparently being
made, rather than as an allegation of fact. The original
posting was clearly labled as passed on information, and I do the
same. This posting should not be construed as an allegation.
The above is intended as a disclaimer!
It would be interesting to find out if the mac versions of the
PRODIGY software ALSO appear to have the a file similar to STAGE.dat that
might contain users' confidential information. If so, than that would
seem to indicate that rather than a bug, the gathering of such data
is indeed planned, since it is MOST UNLIKELY that a similar "bug"
would occur in the MAC environment, given that the directory
structure is so different.
>>------------------ Beginning of forwarded message -----------------
>> The L. A. County District Attorney is formally investigating
>>PRODIGY for deceptive trade practices. I have spoken with the
>>investigator assigned (who called me just this morning, February 22,
>>1991).
>>
>>We are free to announce the fact of the investigation. Anyone can
>>file a complaint. From anywhere.
>>
>>The address is:
>>
>>District Attorney's Office
>>Department of Consumer Protection
>>Attn: RICH GOLDSTEIN, Investigator
>>Hall of Records Room 540
>>320 West Temple Street
>>Los Angeles, CA 90012
>>
>>Rich doesn't want phone calls, he wants simple written statements and
>>copies (no originals) of any relevant documents attached. He will
>>call the individuals as needed, he doesn't want his phone ringing off
>>the hook, but you may call him if it is urgent at 1-213-974-3981.
>>
>>PLEASE READ THIS SECTION EXTRA CAREFULLY. YOU NEED NOT BE IN
>>CALIFORNIA TO FILE!!
>>
>> If any of us "locals" want to discuss this, call me at the
>>Office Numbers: (818) 989-2434; (213) 874-4044. Remember, the next
>>time you pay your property taxes, this is what you are supposed to be
>>getting ... service. Flat rate? ŠlaughĆ BTW, THE COUNTY IS
>>REPRESENTING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. This ISN'T limited to L. A.
>>County and complaints are welcome from ANYWHERE in the Country or the
>>world. The idea is investigation of specific Code Sections and if a
>>Nationwide Pattern is shown, all the better.
>>
>>LARRY ROSENBERG, ATTY
>>
>>
>> Prodigy: More of a Prodigy Than We Think?
>> By: Linda Houser Rohbough
>>
>>
>> The stigma that haunts child prodigies is that they are difficult
>>to get along with, mischievous and occasionally, just flat dangerous,
>>using innocence to trick us. I wonder if that label fits Prodigy,
>>Sears and IBM's telecommunications network?
>>
>> Those of you who read my December article know that I was tipped
>>off at COMDEX to look at a Prodigy file, created when Prodigy is
>>loaded STAGE.DAT. I was told I would find in that file personal
>>information form my hard disk unrelated to Prodigy. As you know, I
>>did find copies of the source code to our product FastTrack, in
>>STAGE.DAT. The fact that they were there at all gave me the same
>>feeling of violation as the last time my home was broken into by
>>burglars.
>>
>> I invited you to look at your own STAGE.DAT file, if you're a
>>Prodigy user, and see if you found anything suspect. Since then I have
>>had numerous calls with reports of similar finds, everything from
>>private patient medical information to classified government
>>information.
>>
>> The danger is Prodigy is uploading STAGE.DAT and taking a look at
>>your private business. Why? My guess is marketing research, which is
>>expensive through legitimate channels, and unwelcomed by you and I.
>>The question now is: Is it on purpose, or a mistake? One caller
>>theorizes that it is a bug. He looked at STAGE.DAT with a piece of
>>software he wrote to look at the physical location of data on the hard
>>disk, and found that his STAGE.DAT file allocated 950,272 bytes of
>>disk space for storage.
>>
>> Prodigy stored information about the sections viewed frequently
>>and the data needed to draw those screens in STAGE.DAT. Service would
>>be faster with information stored on the PC rather then the same
>>information being downloaded from Prodigy each time.
>>
>> That's a viable theory because ASCII evidence of those screens
>>shots can be found in STAGE.DAT, along with AUTOEXEC.BAT and path
>>information. I am led to belive that the path and system configuration
>>(in RAM) are diddled with and then restored to previous settings upon
>>exit. So the theory goes, in allocating that disk space, Prodigy
>>accidently includes data left after an erasure (As you know, DOS does
>>not wipe clean the space that deleted files took on the hard disk, but
>>merely marked the space as vacant in the File Allocation Table.)
>>
>> There are a couple of problems with this theory. One is that it
>>assumes that the space was all allocated at once, meaning all 950,272
>>bytes were absorbed at one time. That simply isn't true. My
>>STAGE.DAT was 250,000+ bytes after the first time I used Prodigy. The
>>second assumption is that Prodigy didn't want the personal
>>information; it was getting it accidently in uploading and downloading
>>to and from STAGE.DAT. The E-mail controversy with Prodigy throws
>>doubt upon that. The E-mail controversy started because people were
>>finding mail they sent with comments about Prodigy or the E-mail,
>>especially negative ones, didn't ever arrive. Now Prodigy is saying
>>they don't actually read the mail, they just have the computer scan it
>>for key terms, and delete those messages because they are responsible
>>for what happens on Prodigy.
>>
>> I received a call from someone from another user group who read
>>our newsletter and is very involved in telecommunications. He
>>installed and ran Prodigy on a freshly formatted 3.5 inch 1.44 meg
>>disk. Sure enough, upon checking STAGE.DAT he discovered personal data
>>from his hard disk that could not have been left there after an
>>erasure. He had a very difficult time trying to get someone at Prodigy
>>to talk to about this.
>>
>> --------------
>>
>>Excerpt of email on the above subject:
>>
>>THERE'S A FILE ON THIS BOARD CALLED 'FRAUDIGY.ZIP' THAT I SUGGEST ALL
>>WHO USE THE PRODIGY SERVICE TAKE ***VERY*** SERIOUSLY. THE FILE
>>DESCRIBES HOW THE PRODIGY SERVICE SEEMS TO SCAN YOUR HARD DRIVE FOR
>>PERSONAL INFORMATION, DUMPS IT INTO A FILE IN THE PRODIGY
>>SUB-DIRECTORY CALLED 'STAGE.DAT' AND WHILE YOU'RE WAITING AND WAITING
>>FOR THAT NEXT MENU COME UP, THEY'RE UPLOADING YOUR STUFF AND LOOKING
>>AT IT.
>>
>> TODAY I WAS IN BABBAGES'S, ECHELON TALKING TO TIM WHEN A
>>GENTLEMAN WALKED IN, HEARD OUR DISCUSSION, AND PIPED IN THAT HE WAS A
>>COLUMNIST ON PRODIGY. HE SAID THAT THE INFO FOUND IN 'FRAUDIGY.ZIP'
>>WAS INDEED TRUE AND THAT IF YOU READ YOUR ON-LINE AGREEMENT CLOSELY,
>>IT SAYS THAT YOU SIGN ALL RIGHTS TO YOUR COMPUTER AND ITS CONTENTS TO
>>PRODIGY, IBM & SEARS WHEN YOU AGREE TO THE SERVICE.
>>
>> I TRIED THE TESTS SUGGESTED IN 'FRAUDIGY.ZIP' WITH A VIRGIN
>>'PRODIGY' KIT. I DID TWO INSTALLATIONS, ONE TO MY OFT USED HARD DRIVE
>>PARTITION, AND ONE ONTO A 1.2MB FLOPPY. ON THE FLOPPY VERSION, UPON
>>INSTALLATION (WITHOUT LOGGING ON), I FOUND THAT THE FILE 'STAGE.DAT'
>>CONTAINED A LISTING OF EVERY .BAT AND SETUP FILE CONTAINED IN MY 'C:'
>>DRIVE BOOT DIRECTORY. USING THE HARD DRIVE DIRECTORY OF PRODIGY THAT
>>WAS SET UP, I PROCEDED TO LOG ON. I LOGGED ON, CONSENTED TO THE
>>AGREEMENT, AND LOGGED OFF. REMEMBER, THIS WAS A VIRGIN SETUP KIT.
>>
>> AFTER LOGGING OFF I LOOKED AT 'STAGE.DAT' AND 'CACHE.DAT' FOUND
>>IN THE PRODIGY SUBDIRECTORY. IN THOSE FILES, I FOUND POINTERS TO
>>PERSONAL NOTES THAT WERE BURIED THREE SUB-DIRECTORIES DOWN ON MY
>>DRIVE, AND AT THE END OF 'STAGE.DAT' WAS AN EXACT IMAGE COPY OF MY
>>PC-DESKTOP APPOINTMENTS CALENDER.
>>
>> CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
>>
>> ### END OF BBS FILE ###
>>
>>I had my lawyer check his STAGE.DAT file and he found none other than
>>CONFIDENTIAL CLIENT INFO in it.
>>
>>Needless to say he is no longer a Prodigy user.
>>
>>
>>Mark A. Emanuele V.P. Engineering Overleaf, Inc.
>>218 Summit Ave Fords, NJ 08863 (908) 738-8486
>>emanuelečoverlf.UUCP
>>
srdačno vaš
Godža
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Education Is Journey, Not Target
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strani.bbs.104dejanr,
Ovo (ili nešto jako slično je već preneto u PC.SOFT/zaštita, ali
neka ga i ovde, nije da nije zanimljivo!
strani.bbs.105dvidovic,
Nedavno je neko predlozio da se sa Byte Demolink-a skinu demo
zije popularnih programa, ne secam se ko ali evo nekih info-
rmacij│a. Ds sam pokusao da skinem demo Quao-a, fajle
dugacak ok790kb a prenos je moguc sauz pomoc Xmodem/CRC
protokola :(((
tesko▀ izracunati koliko bi prenos trajao, a i veza je ocajna
Ako mi kojim slucajem uspe, ostavicu ga ovde.
Poz Dule
P.S. Sta cemo sa ljudima koji jos uvek rade na 1200bps?
strani.bbs.106dvidovic,
Moji koplimenti PTT_u. Fajl je Quattr│o
strani.bbs.107bulaja,
> Nedavno je neko predlozio da se sa Byte Demolink-a skinu demo zije
> popularnih programa, ne secam se ko ali evo nekih info- rmacij│a. Ds
> sam pokusao da skinem demo Quao-a, fajle dugacak ok790kb a prenos je
> moguc sauz pomoc Xmodem/CRC protokola :((( tesko▀ izracunati koliko bi
> prenos trajao, a i veza je ocajna Ako mi kojim slucajem uspe, ostavicu
> ga ovde.
Da ti ustedim muke, demo verziju Quattro-a (cini mi se) mozes naci
na Jubas BBS-u. Slanje arhive u jednom delu (790Kb) ne dolazi u obzir,
a nisam bas siguran da bi bilo dovoljno interesenata koji bi opravdali
slanje tolike datoteke. Onda bi smo mogli da diskutujemo i o slanju
demo verzija drugih stranih programa, a kad se krene brzo bi se
napunio Sezamov hard disk. Diskusija po ovom pitanju je dobrodosla,
preusmerite je u sezam/datoteke.
Pozdrav,
Bulaja
strani.bbs.108dejanr,
Pre par dana neko je (da sad ne tražim poruku) tražio način da dođe do
QSD-a. "Zovnuo" sam ih danas i evo naslovnog ekrana sa uputstvima.
#### ##### ##### ## ## #### #### ##### ## ##
## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ##
## ## #### ## ## ## ## ## ## ###### ## ## ## ##
## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ##
## ## ##### ##### ## ###### #### ## ## ##### ## ##
/// // ///// ///// // ////// //// // // ///// // //
// // // // // // // // // // // // //
// // //// // // // // // // ////// // // // //
// // // // // // // // // // // // // // //
///// ///// ///// // // //// //// ///// // //
How can you access to QSD/LOAD ?
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-
x25 (whole world): NUA 0208057040540 (you know that !! :-)
Italia : Videotel Phone : 165, pagina *3615# e battete QSD o LOAD
o Videotel pagina *593211#
Belgium : RTT VTX Phone : 1310 Service : FMQSD (TELETEL mode)
Luxembourg : TELETEL Phone : 0725 Services : QSD or THELINE or LOAD
Germany : BTX - Page : *F3615# Services : QSD or THELINE or LOAD
Suisse : Direct Phone Lines : 023 50 28 14 14 Services : QSD
068 28 14 14 or THELINE
156 04 15 or LOAD
Portugal : Phone : 067199 Services : FRANCA2 then QSD, THELINE or LOAD
Finland : Telesampo (2921) or Infotel gateways, select QSD on Menu.
U.S.A. : Minitel Service Company, Bell Atlantic, Bell Pacific,
South Western Bell : Select QSD on Menu or P5 then LOAD
France : Telephone : 3615 Services : QSD, THELINE or LOAD
Direct Phone Line: +33 36 43 15 15 type THELINE (V23 - TELETEL mode)
or THELINE*LOAD
Enjoy !!!
strani.bbs.109docke,
Da li neko ima spisak Švajcarskih BBS ova?
Hitno mi treba.
Pozdrav Docke
strani.bbs.110dlozic,
Evo popisa BBS-a u [vicarskoj, dodu{e ne znam koliko je to~an:
Switzerland Fido 41-37-616024 CH 2400
Teledec 41-37-452666 Belfaux 300
SR-PC-Club 41-1-2015233 Zuerich 1200
B.B.Informatica 41-93-361409 Ascona 300
Laser-Fido 41-65-354512 Gerlafingen 300
Ovo su tzv. piratski:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
N A M E | N U M B E R | G R O U P | S Y S O P
---------------------------------------------------------------------
DREAM ZONE +41-182-55751 INDEPENDENT TIGGER
GRATEFUL DEATH +41-572-18007 PIRANHAS JACK COLTON
INNERCITY +41-619-61803 SUBWAY ICE-T
LABYRINTH +41-915-74138 PIRANHAS ZANY
LINE TO HEAVEN +41-622-60277 ALCATRAZ MOSES
THE ELECTRIC CO +41-216-352361 ALCATRAZ HARDRIDER
THE LAST HOPE +41-414-16249 PIRANHAS TMA
VIOLATORS PLACE +41-568-21851 FIARLIGHT VIOLATOR
WORLD TRADE CENTE +41-170-11323 ANGELS PIONEER
_____________________________________________________________________
Pozdrav.
strani.bbs.111docke,
Puno hvala!
Pozdrav Docke
strani.bbs.112dejanr,
<<< CATHY::NET$:[NOTES]E_MAIL.NOTE;1 >>>
-< Electronic mail >-
============================================================================
Note 28.32 BBS doma in po svetu 32 of 32
CATHY::SLUNECKO "Jaroslav Slunecko, IJS" 76 lines 17-JUL-1991 12:21
-< BBSi v CSFR >-
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Po mailu sem dobil sledeci seznam BBS-ov v CSFR.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Subj: BBS v Ceskoslovensku
Zasilam seznam vsech ceskoslovenskych Bulletin Board Systemu (BBS),
ktere jsou mi znamy.
S pozdravem 'Komunikacim zdar a modemum zvlast'
Ivo Musil
fido 420/12
MUSIL @ CSEARN
---------------------------------------------------
L I S T O F C Z E C H O S L O V A K B B S
---------------------------------------------------
FIDO NAME SYSOP LOC NUMBER BAUD FLAGS
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420/12 A1 FEL BBS Honza Kostal Pra 2-3322031 9600 CM,MNP,V42
420/13 SIGMABOX Ivo Kratky Pra 2-2351976 2400 CM
420/14 LEC's MegaSTorage George Lamac Pra 2-842424 9600 02-10,MNP,V32
420/15 SO CVUT FSI Marcel Rychly Pra 2-3322458 2400 CM
420/18 C Polyversum Petr Kocmid Pra 2-6911118 2400 12-18,MNP
420/20 Visual Connection Jakub Vanek Pra 2-227349 2400 CM,MNP,V32
420/21 Visual Connection 2 Jakub Vanek Pra 2-227345 2400 CM,MNP
420/22 CHIP BBS Petr Jiricek Pra 2-2351843 2400 CM,MNP
420/23 SportIS Patrick Korz Pra 2-353320 9600 CM,HST,V42
420/24 MuFFiK BBS Pavel Chlupacek Pra 2-530672 2400 CM
420/25 SySy Board Petr Jiricek Pra 2-7122383 2400 CM,MNP
421/10 ICS Franta Cimmer Brn 5-24145 2400 CM
421/11 ClassiCs Ltd. Pavel Odehnal Brn 5-3143323 9600
421/12 Tricolor Line Pavel Knotek Brn 5-745249 9600 CM,MNP
421/13 BBS fy NEL Jiri Krca Brn 5-381584 2400 CM,MNP
421/14 CSVM Petr Valousek Brn 5-746535 2400 MNP
421/30 METREX METWARE Jiri Moser Kro 634-21352 2400 CM
422/10 Black Box of Pietro Pietro Mokrosh Bra 7-728382 2400
422/11 Hard Rock BBS Peter Marek Bra 7-56756 2400 CM,MNP
422/12 Znsw's HomeBase Zoltan Nemeth Bra 7-763638 2400 CM,MNP
422/14 Vakus BBS Robert Setnicka Bra 7-211842 2400 CM
422/15 Ancient Structures Boris Gergel Bra 7-2104755 9600 CM,HST
422/16 The Draka BOX Remus Brukker Bra 7-315705 1200
422/18 COLUMBEX Int. Rasto Janota Bra 7-497857 1200 CM
422/19 Suzi BBS Frank Petro Bra 7-228361 2400 CM,MNP
422/31 New Trend BBS Ales Molnar NMe 834-3020 2400 CM
422/32 Agricultural Juro Boledovic Nit 87-413244 1200
422/40 The C Station Richard Vanek Zil 89-33112 2400 CM
423/50 J.Hradec Petr Freimann JHr 331-3125 1200 CM
423/70 SCP Pavel Votrubec Ust 47-65434 2400
423/80 DATAREX Jiri Ludwig KHo 327-4144 2400
423/90 CevaSYSTEM Vasek Kubat Pra 2-556511 1200 CM
xxxxxx KonSort Risa Hollmann Pra 2-4010650 2400 21-07
xxxxxx PC Info Peter Marek Bra 7-67009 2400
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LOCation: Pra - Praha Ust - Usti n/L KHo - Kutna Hora
Brn - Brno Bra - Bratislava Zil - Zilina
Nit - Nitra JHr - Jindr. Hradec Kro - Kromeriz
NMe - Nove Mesto nad Vahom
FLAGS CM ... nepretrzity provoz 0-24h *(non-stop obratovanje)
bez CM ... BBS je aktivni jen v urcitou dobu, kontaktuj SYSOPa
*brez CM ... BBS je aktiven samo ob dolocenem casu, kontaktiraj
SYSOPa
xx-yy ... provoz od xx do yy (bez zaruky)
* xx-yy ... delovanje od xx do yy (ni garantirano)
V32,V42,MNP,HST ... charakteristiky modemu (karakteristike modema)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
91.-07.-11. Ivo Musil(fido 420/12, MUSIL @ CSEARN)
* prevodi
strani.bbs.113zormi,
Ima li neko outdial za oblast 205 u USA (poželjno TYMNET)?
strani.bbs.114djovicevic,
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1991 16:23:22 PDT
From: christic@igc.org
Subject: SOVIET BBS NUMBERS
This may be pushing it, but if people are really interested in
expressing solidarity, here is a list of known USSR bulletin boards.
I don't really have the compiler's permission to distribute the list, so
please use with discretion: NO COMMERCIAL USE, etc.
Regards,
Dhanesh
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PS: BBC: One hundred Red Army tanks approaching Yeltsin's HQ as I write.
Known USSR Bulletin Board Systems
Version ### of #######
Compilation (C) 1991 ####### ##########
BBS name ! Data phone ! Modem ! FIDO addr
-----------------------------!----------------!----------!------------
PsychodeliQ Hacker Club BBS +7-351-237-3700 2400 2:5010/2
Kaunas #7 BBS +7-012-720-0274 ? -
Villa Metamorph BBS +7-012-720-0228 ? -
WolfBox +7-012-773-0134 1200 2:49/10
Spark System Designs +7-057-233-9344 1200 2:489/1
Post Square BBS +7-044-417-5700 2400 -
Ozz Land +7-017-277-8327 2400 -
Alan BBS +7-095-532-2943 2400/MNP 2:5020/11
Angel Station BBS +7-095-939-5977 2400 2:5020/10
Bargain +7-095-383-9171 2400 2:5020/7
Bowhill +7-095-939-0274 2400/MNP 2:5020/9
JV Dialogue 1st +7-095-329-2192 2400/MNP 2:5020/6
Kremlin +7-095-205-3554 2400 2:480/100
Moscow Fair +7-095-366-5209 9600/MNP 2:5020/0
Nightmare +7-095-128-4661 2400/MNP 2:5020/1
MoSTNet 2nd +7-095-193-4761 2400/MNP 2:5020/4
Wild Moon +7-095-366-5175 9600/MNP 2:5020/2
Hall of Guild +7-383-235-4457 2400/MNP 2:5000/0
The Court of Crimson King +7-383-235-6722 2400/MNP 2:50/0
Sine Lex BBS +7-383-235-4811 19200/PEP 2:5000/30
The Communication Tube +7-812-315-1158 2400/MNP 2:50/200
KREIT BBS +7-812-164-5396 2400 2:50/201
Petersburg's Future +7-812-310-4864 2400 -
Eesti #1 +7-014-242-2583 9600/MNP -
Flying Disks BBS +7-014-268-4911 2400/MNP 2:490/40.401
Goodwin BBS +7-014-269-1872 2400/MNP 2:490/20
Great White of Kopli +7-014-247-3943 2400 2:490/90
Hacker's Night System #1 +7-014-244-2143 9600/HST 2:490/1
Lion's Cave +7-014-253-6246 9600/HST 2:490/70
Mailbox for citizens of galaxy +7-014-253-2350 1200 2:490/30
MamBox +7-014-244-3360 19200/PEP 2:490/40
New Age System +7-014-260-6319 2400 2:490/12
Space Island +7-014-245-1611 2400 -
XBase System +7-014-249-3091 2400/MNP 2:490/40.403
LUCIFER +7-014-347-7218 2400 2:490/11
MESO +7-014-343-3434 2400/MNP 2:490/60
PaPer +7-014-343-3351 1200 2:490/70
-----------------------------!----------------!----------!------------
________________________________________________________________________
Dhanesh K. Samarasan, │ Telephone: 617.666.3976
Building 5, Room 211, │ Telefax: 617.253.2660
MIT, Cambridge, │ Internet: dks@mit.edu
MA 02139, USA │ AppleLink: dks
========================================================================
strani.bbs.115m.dzigurski,
Da li postoji neki OUT-DIAL za ovo ili nešto tako.
strani.bbs.116milanm,
Zdr. svima,
Imam 2 pitanja:
1.) Vidim da mnogobrojna SEZAM populacija raspolaze BBS-brojevima sa
svih strana sveta - u tom smislu imam za vas jedan malo tezi (?)
zadatak >>
ima li ko BAR JEDAN BBS-broj iz South African Republic ????
-----------------------------------------------------------
Na isto pitanje postavljeno na gomili BBS-ova po USA nisam
dobio nista.... :((
2.) Takodje vidim da baratate silnim NUA brojevima pa se nesto mislim
da li bi neko od prisutnih bio ljubazan da totalnom pocetniku
UKRATKO objasni kako da upotrebi neki od NUA (ti brojevi mi na
sve lice samo ne na Tel. broj ...).
Unapred i osobito zahvalan,
Mi-Lan-Ce :)
strani.bbs.117zormi,
> Imam 2 pitanja:
> 1.) Vidim da mnogobrojna SEZAM populacija raspolaze
> BBS-brojevima sa svih strana sveta - u tom smislu imam za
> vas jedan malo tezi (?) zadatak >>
> ima li ko BAR JEDAN BBS-broj iz South African Republic
> ????
> Na isto pitanje postavljeno na gomili BBS-ova po USA nisam
> dobio nista.... :((
He, he... evo ti nekoliko, nadam se da još uvek rade.
------------------------------------------------------
(000)-689-2792 The Catalyst CT, Cape Town, S. Africa
Mark Allen /E 3/12/24 24 Hours,
"C" Conf. (LD prefix 27-21),
Fee for D/loading
------------------------------------------------------
(000)-689-3112 The Catalyst CT, Cape Town, S. Africa
Mark Allen /E 3/12 24 Hours,
"C" Conf. (LD prefix 27-21),
Fee for D/loading
------------------------------------------------------
(011)-392-1880 Netline 7, Johannesgurg, S. Africa
Peter Van Breda /E 3/12/24 24 Hours
------------------------------------------------------
(011)-943-4405 NetLine III, Johannesgurg, S. Africa
Andre Engelbrecht /E 12/24 24 Hours,
DOORS, Latest USA S/Ware
------------------------------------------------------
(021)-733-0050 03/08/90 Pelican Constantia, Republic
of South Africa
------------------------------------------------------
(021)-797-1696 09/07/89 Brainwaves Wynberg,
Republic of South Africa
------------------------------------------------------
> 2.) Takodje vidim da baratate silnim NUA brojevima pa se
> nesto mislim da li bi neko od prisutnih bio ljubazan da
> totalnom pocetniku UKRATKO objasni kako da upotrebi neki
> od NUA (ti brojevi mi na sve lice samo ne na Tel. broj
> ...).
Za početak moraš da imaš pristup JUPAK mreži, a preko
nje izlaz u strane mreže. Sva uputstva možeš naći u ovoj
konferenciji.
strani.bbs.118dejanr,
>> 2.) Takodje vidim da baratate silnim NUA brojevima pa se nesto mislim
>> da li bi neko od prisutnih bio ljubazan da totalnom pocetniku
>> UKRATKO objasni kako da upotrebi neki od NUA (ti brojevi mi na
>> sve lice samo ne na Tel. broj ...).
Možda bi za "prvu pomoć" mogao da posluži tekst "Priče sa zapadne strane"
iz "Računara 59". Onako sasvim ukratko, kao što je telefonski broj adresa
u telefonskoj mreži tako je NUA adresa u paketnoj mreži.
strani.bbs.119max.headroom,
E, da li ce SEZAM *IKADA* imati izlaz na ILINK ili FIDO-Net?
Sa OVOLIIIIKIM pretplatama to i ne bi bio neki preteran problem.
Ha?
strani.bbs.120vkrstonosic,
>> E, da li ce SEZAM *IKADA* imati izlaz na ILINK ili FIDO-Net?
>> Sa OVOLIIIIKIM pretplatama to i ne bi bio neki preteran problem.
A koliiiiiike su to pretplate ??? Trenutno manje od 50 Dem, šta
očekuješ za te pare ? Ja bih bio mnogo zadovoljniji kada bi neki višak
love otišao u nove linije, jači hardver, ili u neku dodatnu organizaciju,
kao recimo slanje konferencija na disketama i slično.
Šta bi Sezam konkretno dobio nekom mrežom ?
strani.bbs.121prvul,
>> Šta bi Sezam konkretno dobio nekom mrežom ?
A šta bi izgubio? Fido-Net bi zaista koristio,
jer bi nam omogucio laksu razmenu informacija sa
raznoraznim autorima PD software-a po svetu, a oni
svi obicno imaju Fido-Net adrese...
Sve u svemu, ja sam za Fido-Net..
Prvul.
strani.bbs.122prvul,
Naravno, smatram da ce za mesec-dva nove linije postati
neophodne... Vec sada je prilicno gusto, a gomila ljudi nije tu
Šta ce biti kada svi budu tu? Znam da je u određeno doba dana
(i noći) uvek slobodno, ali u neko "normalno" vreme nema teorije
da se dobije odjednom, obicno se bira N puta itd... jedno 10 linija
bi bilo OK do daljnjeg (a i chat bi bio haos ;).
Prvul.
strani.bbs.123dejanr,
>> Šta bi Sezam konkretno dobio nekom mrežom ?
Ja sam osluškivao FIDOnet po USA i nisam bio oduševljen. Ima poruka,
ali uglavnom na krajnje prizemnom nivou. Osim toga, mi bi još možda
i trpeli da nam se mešaju poruke na srpskom i engleskom (malo na srpskom,
puno na engleskom :( ) ali ko bi u Americi trpeo naše poruke?
Uzgred, za one koji ne znaju, FIDOnet je bazično razmena poruka, a ne
programa. Programi sjajno funkcionišu preko trickle servera, od čega
(zahvaljujući Bulaji) na Sezam stiže sve što vredi.
strani.bbs.124vkrstonosic,
>> A šta bi izgubio? Fido-Net bi zaista koristio,
>> jer bi nam omogucio laksu razmenu informacija sa
>> raznoraznim autorima PD software-a po svetu, a oni
>> svi obicno imaju Fido-Net adrese...
Prilično pratim šta se dešava i na Bix-u i na još par mesta i mogu ti reći
da Sezam ni najmamnje ne zaostaje za njima po pitanju PD programa. Ta čno je da
na mnogo mesta ima mnogo više programa, ali pogledaj kvalitet. Bio sam mesecima
učlanjen na DDC (Detriot DL Centar), koji je verovatno BBS sa najviše programa
za DL. Već posle par dana nema više ništa interesantno za DL, osim ao ne misliš
da prebacuješ razne sličice i porno animacije.
Sve što od PD software-a postoji, a nešto vredi, vrlo brze se nadje i na
Sezamu.
A što se tiče poruka, ne znam da li iko imao dovoljno živaca da sve to
čita. Ono što na zapadu kruži, a što bi nama moglo da bude interesantno,
uglavnom stigne na Sezam.
strani.bbs.125prvul,
Nisam ni mislio da se DL, vec da razmenjujem informacije.
Stvar je u tome sto me interesuju algorimi za kompresiju,
protokoli itd., ali ne samo u .exe obliku. I zar nije
bolje moci da komuniciras sa ostalima koji to u svetu rade?
Jeste, imam source-ove i ovde na sezamu, ali nema npr.
definicije protokola (trenutno se bavim tumacenjem KERMIT-a
iz sorsa, a mnogo bi lakse bilo procitati... Z,X i YMODEM
sam takodje morao da "isčačkam" iz sorsa... a sve su
to javno dostupne informacije.. )... Eto zato. ;)
PRvul.
strani.bbs.126ppekovic,
>> Jeste, imam source-ove i ovde na sezamu, ali nema npr.
>> definicije protokola (trenutno se bavim tumacenjem KERMIT-a
>> iz sorsa, a mnogo bi lakse bilo procitati... Z,X i YMODEM
>> sam takodje morao da "isčačkam" iz sorsa... a sve su
>> to javno dostupne informacije.. )... Eto zato. ;)
Pa trebao si da pitaš da li neko ima definicije protokola
koji te zanimaju. Na trickle-u (preko BITNET-a) možeš naći gomilu
tekstova opisa svih mogućih protokola. Reci koji bi te najviše
zanimao i za par dana ti eto teksta.
Paya
BTW. Sve mi se više čini da je na Sezamu zavladala bolest zvana
"ja_nesmem_ili_neću_iz_ko_zna_kog_razloga_da_pitam_ono_što_me_zanima".
strani.bbs.127prvul,
Eh, da sam to znao pre 2 god.
Najesen ionako dobijam svoju e-mail adresu, pa cu onda
da vidim šta ima i gde ima. Ipak, ako mi dotada nesto bude trebalo,
trazicu (nemojte misliti da necu ;)). Uglavnom, tek pre mesec dana
sam provalio da trickle uopste postoji (smrc).
Prvul.
strani.bbs.128max.headroom,
E, posto sam ja pokrenuo pitanje, da kazem i ostatak:
- Prvo, srpski i engleski tesko da bi se mesali:
SEZAM otvori nekih 50-ak tema u konferenciji FIDO-Net, a te teme su u stvari
konferencije FIDO-Net-a, pa do informacija dolaze samo interesenti za
engleski. Znaci, bez mesanja.
- Drugo, to i ne mora biti FIDO, ili ILINK, na primer. Neka bude i AdriaNet, pa
ce dosta ljudi biti zadovoljno. Em razmena informacija na nivou YU, em
poredni izlaz na FIDO (ako Fenix dozvoli). Ima mnoooogo kombinacija.
- Trece, manje-vise za UL/DL, sto Prvul rece vazna je razmena informacija.
To je ono sto Dejana, Vkrstonosica i ostale vuce na DCC ili BIX. To je ono
o cemu dosta moemasa sanja, ali ih malo (maaaaalo) dosanja. Da li bi vi sve
informacije koje ste prikupili na stranim mrezama voleli da zadrzite za sebe
ili mislite da su korisnici zadovoljni citanjem viceva i informacija koje
'nadlezni' na Sezam spustaju na kasicicu?
- Cetvrto i zadnje - cini se da se odgovorni plase radikalnih promena.
To je moje subjektivno zapazanje, a tesko da me neko moze razuveriti.
Toliko, Max.
strani.bbs.129max.headroom,
E, stvarno, gde odlazi lova od pretplata?
Na odrzavanje SEZAMA? Hmmmmm...
2000 korisnika (i vise) x 1000 din (proseku) = 2000.000 din...........
Hm, gresim li u racunici? A SEZAM postoji vec 2 godine.
Znaci: 2000.000 din : 30 meseci = [CKKKK66000 din mesecno.
Na struju ode ? Na servisiranje ode ? Na nabavku softvera ode ?
Kolika ZAISTA ostaje love od pretplata?
strani.bbs.130.bale.,
Hehe, smešno. Dečija posla...
Regards from .bale. !
#8*)+-<
strani.bbs.131squsovac,
> 2000 korisnika (i vise) x 1000 din (proseku) = 2000.000 din.
> Hm, gresim li u racunici? A SEZAM postoji vec 2 godine.
> Znaci: 2000.000 din : 30 meseci = ŠCKKKK66000 din mesecno.
> Na struju ode ? Na servisiranje ode ? Na nabavku softvera ode?
> Kolika ZAISTA ostaje love od pretplata?
Što se same visine pretplate tiče: 1100 din = oko 50 DEM
godišnje ili oko 1 DEM sedmično. Ipak je Sezam nešto jeftiniji
od bilo kojih nedeljnih novina.
Ne smatram ni najmanje neophodnim da uprava Sezama bilo
kome od nas obrazlaže "gde ide lova od pretplate". Izvini, ali
NIKO sa Sezama nije dužan da tebi polaže račune Sezama. To je
preduzeće čije usluge, između ostalih, i ti koristiš, i koje bi
od novca nas-korisnika trebalo da opstaje. Štaviše, postoji
dosta BBS-ova i to besplatnih. Zar ne misliš da ljudi koji se
STARAJU o sistemu, ljudi koji rade i dopunjuju software, ljudi
koji razmišljaju o razvoju itd.itd. MORAJU i da zarade. Dakle,
ako ti se Sezam sviđa - plati, ako ti se ne sviđa - imaš prilike
da koristiš i druge BBS-ove jeftinije, odnosno besplatno. Sezam
nema monopol, nije jedini BBS, niko bilo koga od nas ne
prisiljava da koristimo Sezam... Na kraju, može gotovo svako od
nas da napravi i spostveni BBS...
Ne želim da ovo sve ispadne kao hvalospev Sezamu, čak
smatram da Sezamu tako nešto nije ni potrebno, te ovo ne bi
treebalo tako ni shvatiti. Takođe ne sumnjam da bi ljudi koji su
duže na Sezamu pronašli još mnogo boljih obrazloženja.
strani.bbs.132max.headroom,
Neeee, nisi me razumeo. Naravno da me ne zanima na sta i kako se trose pare,
nego sam samo hteo da kazem da se u vreme masovnog umrezavanja sistema
na SEZAM-u apsolutno nista ne preduzima u tom smeru. Bas naprotiv, razvija
se novi softver koji ni u kom slucaju nije kompatibilan sa vec postojecim
komunikacionim programima (mislim na BBS podrsku).
Da li to neki ovde pokusavaju da kazu kako je Sezam neprevazidjen po
broju zanimljivih tema, i kako povezivanje sa ostalim (npr. AdriaNet)
umrezenim racunarima ne bi dobro dosla?
strani.bbs.133max.headroom,
Kontraargumenti, hehe.
Regards from Max Headroom licno.
strani.bbs.134vule,
> Nisam ni mislio da se DL, vec da razmenjujem informacije.
> Stvar je u tome sto me interesuju algorimi za kompresiju,
> protokoli itd., ali ne samo u .exe obliku. I zar nije
> bolje moci da komuniciras sa ostalima koji to u svetu rade?
E, to. Ajd još jedna ideja. Toliko ljudi ima svoje račune na UBBG, zar
bi bio problem da se zainteresovanima omogući protok pošte na bitnet?
Mislim na zvanje par puta dnevno i ažuriranje pošte. Pre sam se
zanosio idejom da se za to poradi kod nekog od bogova, ali kako stvari
sada stoje, sve ide na bombaka. Mala promena u hederu maila, recimo
preko set personal_name "vule@sezam", a postigla bi se velika stvar.
Mnogo konferencija sa mnogo profesionalaca. Pristup praktično svakoj
mreži preko maila. Kraj kuknjavi tipa kako da pošaljem mail rođaku u
americi... vote?
pozdrav vule
strani.bbs.135igor.mil,
> Vec posle par dana nema vise nista interesantno za DL, osim ao ne
> mislis da prebacujes razne slicice i porno animacije.
---------------
he, he... a sto potcenjujes taj aspekt racunarskih telekomunikacija?
pozdrav od igora
strani.bbs.136dejanr,
>> - Cetvrto i zadnje - cini se da se odgovorni plase radikalnih promena.
Tako nekako. Radikalne promene, to znači uradiš nešto na brzaka pa se
posle natenane kaješ. Mi više volimo da je svaka stvar promišljena, kako
sa tehničke tako i sa tržišne strane, tj. da se zna koliko je nešto lako
i moguće uraditi, a onda koliko bi ljudi za to bilo zainteresovano i
zašto bi ti ljudi "to" uzeli od nas a ne od nekog drugog. Budi uveren da
pažljivo slušamo ono što se čuje ovde, ali nemoj očekivati da se neki
predlog ostvari za dan ili za mesec.
>> Neka bude i AdriaNet, pa ce dosta ljudi biti zadovoljno.
Trenutno ne planiramo povezivanje sa AdriaNet-om. I to ne iz tehničlkih
nego iz organizaciono-poslovnih razloga. Našoj koncepciji bi više
odgovarala mreža Sezam nodova u raznim krajevima zemlje, što po malo
stoji jer nije baš jasno šta je sve "zemlja". Ali doći će i to na red.
>> To je ono sto Dejana, Vkrstonosica i ostale vuce na DCC ili BIX. To je
>> ono o cemu dosta moemasa sanja, ali ih malo (maaaaalo) dosanja. Da li
>> bi vi sve informacije koje ste prikupili na stranim mrezama voleli da
>> zadrzite za sebe ili mislite da su korisnici zadovoljni citanjem viceva
>> informacija koje 'nadlezni' na Sezam spustaju na kasicicu?
Ni sam ne znaš koliko nisi u pravu. Ja sam, otkada sam došao u priliku
da zivkam strane BBS-ove, zivkao sve i svašta. Na to je odlazilo dosta
vremena, rezultati nikakvi. Mogu reći da se na velikoj većini stranih
BBS-ova vode diskusije koje su za jedno 10000 jedinica ispod nivoa
stručnih diskusija na Sezamu. Zato sam strane sisteme sveo manje-više
isključivo na BIX (ponekad zivnem QSD kad mi neko mlađi svrati, čisto
da vidi na šta to liči; ne pamtim kad sam zadnji put zvao nešto treće).
A što se tiče "na kaščicu", mogu ti reći da SVE što vidim negde napolju
a što mi zvuči makar malkice zanimljivo prenesem na Sezam. Isto radi
i Bulaja, Paya i par drugih. Ako misliš da je to "na kaščicu", onda je
to zato što korisne informacije po stranim sistemima (a verovatno i
ovde :) treba svećom tražiti. Zapravo, za našeg korisnika je to obično
PREDNOST - ne mora da pročita "tonu" stranih poruka da bi našao jednu
zanimljivu nego tu zanimljivu poruku dobije direktno. Naravno, uz rizik
da nešto zanimljivo i propusti, ali sve ima svoju cenu...
Inače, nije da na Sezamu neće biti i novih usluga, i nije da se na nekima
od njih već i ne radi. Ali o tom potom...
strani.bbs.137dejanr,
>> Bas naprotiv, razvija se novi softver koji ni u kom slucaju nije
>> kompatibilan sa vec postojecim komunikacionim programima (mislim
>> na BBS podrsku).
Pa, kad smo počeli da razvijamo Sezam, praviti originalni i ni sa
kim nekompatibilan BBS softver je izgledalo prilično ludo. Al nije
loše ispalo, zar ne?
strani.bbs.138zkehler,
ţţ Ne smatram ni najmanje neophodnim da uprava Sezama bilo
ţţ kome od nas obrazlaže "gde ide lova od pretplate". Izvini, ali
ţţ NIKO sa Sezama nije dužan da tebi polaže račune Sezama. To je
ţţ preduzeće čije usluge, između ostalih, i ti koristiš, i koje bi
ţţ od novca nas-korisnika trebalo da opstaje. Štaviše, postoji
ţţ dosta BBS-ova i to besplatnih. Zar ne misliš da ljudi koji se
ţţ STARAJU o sistemu, ljudi koji rade i dopunjuju software, ljudi
ţţ koji razmišljaju o razvoju itd.itd. MORAJU i da zarade. Dakle,
ţţ ako ti se Sezam sviđa - plati, ako ti se ne sviđa - imaš prilike
ţţ da koristiš i druge BBS-ove jeftinije, odnosno besplatno. Sezam
ţţ nema monopol, nije jedini BBS, niko bilo koga od nas ne
ţţ prisiljava da koristimo Sezam... Na kraju, može gotovo svako od
ţţ nas da napravi i spostveni BBS...
Mislim da je ovo preoštar odgovor na sasvim normalno pitanje. SEZAM
*pruža usluge* korisnicima; korisnici imaju pravo da postavljaju
pitanja o uslugama koje dobijaju za uplaćenu pretplatu. Sasvim je
normalno da kupac vodi računa kakvu robu dobija za svoj novac. SEZAM
nije public service (a ni charity - plaća se).
Postoje dve granice: korisnik/SEZAM i SEZAM/saradnici. Uopšte ne
treba da znamo stanje i saobraćaj na drugoj granici - to je stvar
*preduzeća* SEZAM. Drugu granicu vidi korisnik, kao finalni
rezultat rada svih ljudi u *preduzeću* SEZAM, a taj pogled stvara
utisak o celom sistemu.
Ovakvim i sličnim principima se rukovodim svaki dan na mom
poslu. Posao je takođe zasnovan na prodaji usluga i robe. Zadovoljni su
klijenti, a i ja.
ZK
(Bez uvrede, ali citat me podseća na tzv. društvenu svojinu i odnos
prema njoj)
strani.bbs.139.bale.,
>> Kontraargumenti, hehe.
>>
>> Regards from Max Headroom licno.
Uvredih li još jednog? Uf, baš sam nevaljao ;)
1. Koliko imaš godina, liku iz kompjutera?
2. Pročitaj ZZ-ovu poruku i pokušaj da je razumeš. Ono o čemu on
priča sigurno ne spada u tvoj deo posla... Neću da pogađam u
čiji spada ;)))
Regards from .bale. tuđe
strani.bbs.140alexa,
> Toliko ljudi ima svoje račune na UBBG, zar
> bi bio problem da se zainteresovanima omogući protok pošte na
bitnet?
> Mislim na zvanje par puta dnevno i ažuriranje pošte. Pre sam se
> zanosio idejom da se za to poradi kod nekog od bogova, ali kako
> stvari sada stoje, sve ide na bombaka. Mala promena u hederu
maila,
> recimo preko set personal_name "vulečsezam", a postigla bi se
velika
> stvar.
Ako dobro shvatam, predlažeš da se tako nešto organizuje korišćenjem
postojećih računa na UBBG-u? Ako je tako, razmisli malo šta bi na to
rekli oni koji pružaju (BESPLATNO!) ove usluge ljudima koji imaju te
račune?
Ako misliš na drugu varijantu - da SEZAM napravi posao sa ETF-om,
mislim da su za tako nešto vrlo slabe šanse (mislim da se prvo
postavlja pitanje ima li ETF pravo da 'prodaje' pristup bitnet-u,
a posle toga - da li mu to odgovara).
strani.bbs.141max.headroom,
>Tako nekako. Radikalne promene, to znaci uradis nesto na brzaka pa
>se posle natenane kajes. Mi vise volimo da je svaka stvar promisljena,
>kako sa tehnicke tako i sa trzisne strane, tj. da se zna koliko
>je nesto lako i moguce uraditi, a onda koliko bi ljudi za to bilo
>zainteresovano i zasto bi ti ljudi "to" uzeli od nas a ne od nekog
>drugog. Budi uveren da
Sve je to o.k, ali Sezam funkcionise vec vise od 2 godine, a prica o
BIX-u, BitNet-u, FIDO-u, itd pocela je mnooogo ranije. Ono sto sam mislio
da reknem je to da je Sezam imao oxoxo vremena da se prebaci na umrezavanje,
samo sto nije. Dobro, necu da se mesam u politiku nadleznih, ali kada toliko
ljudi (milioni) misle da je umrezavanje dobra (i nadasve korisna, ali sta ja
tebi pricam kao da ti ne znas) stvar, kod nas se ispostavlja da nam takva
jedna gomila informacija (pa bile one crne ili bele) ni ic ne treba.
U ostalom se potpuno slazem, a predpostavljam da uprava Sezam-a pokusava da
stvori mrezu (SEZAM-Net) koja jednoga dana mozda bude imala monopol u YU
(ma sta da to YU znacilo). Ok, pa hoce li neko od nadleznih da kaze siroj
javnosti kk\akve planove za buducnost Sezam ima? A jel mogu da se navedu i
rokovi? Ux, bre, mnogo trazim ;)
Pozdrav, Max.
strani.bbs.142max.headroom,
Tu se slazem, ovo je elitni softver. Bez komentara.
(...ali (opet ovo 'ali') malo je nekompatibilan, bre...)
strani.bbs.143max.headroom,
>1. Koliko imas godina, liku iz kompjutera?
Uvek se ovako zavrsava, zar ne?
Taktika nije losa, samo sto je krajnji cilj nekako mutan ;>
strani.bbs.144vcalic,
>> Tu se slazem, ovo je elitni softver. Bez komentara.
>> (...ali (opet ovo 'ali') malo je nekompatibilan, bre...)
A sa čim je to nekompatibilan? Ako se radi o nekompatibilnošću sa PC
Boardom, nije mi jasno zašto to smatraš nedostatkom. Uzmimo AdriaNet za
primer!? Kakve bi koristi Sezam imao od toga!? Neku praktičnu korist ne vidim.
Sa druge strane, drastično bi porastao broj poruka (i ovako je teško sve
pratiti), a istovremeno bi se, s obzirom na to da su BBS-ovi vezani u
AdriaNet amaterski i zasnovani na entuzijazmu svojih vlasnika, drastično
smanjio kvalitet poruka.
Što se tiče poređenja Sezamovog software-a sa PC Board-om, jedina
stvar u kojoj PBB (ako se još uvek tako zove ;) zaostaje za PC Boardom je
nedostatak ekranskog editora. Međutim, s obzirom na brojne druge mogućnosti
(neuporedivo bolja organizacija konferencija, bolji sistem za čitanje poruka -
jedino nikad neću prežaliti onu browse komandu ;), mogućnost vezivanja
datoteka uz poruke, etc.,etc.), i postojanje EXEC naredbe, taj nedostatak i
nije neki nedostatak.
Ono što bi eventualno moglo da se uradi, a to možda i ne bi bio veliki
problem, je vezivanje na EARN ili neku paketnu mrežu. To bi već imalo smisla,
i samo bi povećalo rejting Sezama. A za spuštanje na nivo raznih FidoNetova,
zaista nema jačeg razloga.
WR
strani.bbs.146vule,
> Ako dobro shvatam, predlažeš da se tako nešto organizuje korišćenjem
> postojećih računa na UBBG-u? Ako je tako, razmisli malo šta bi na to
> rekli oni koji pružaju (BESPLATNO!) ove usluge ljudima koji imaju te
> račune?
> Ako misliš na drugu varijantu - da SEZAM napravi posao sa ETF-om,
> mislim da su za tako nešto vrlo slabe šanse (mislim da se prvo
> postavlja pitanje ima li ETF pravo da 'prodaje' pristup bitnet-u,
> a posle toga - da li mu to odgovara).
Otprilike tako.
To sa prodajom pristupa: bitnet je nekomercijalna mreža. Jedini uslov
koji treba da ispunjava nod na bitnetu je da ima mogućnost da se na
njega priključi drugi nod. Stoga mislim da to sa ugovorom ne bi radilo
ne zato što nije ispravno, već zbog nedostatka dobre volje.
To šta bi rekli ljudi, slanje i prijem pošte troši toliko malo
procesorskog vremena da se u moru svakodnevnih aktivnosti vaxa 3600 to
ne bi primetilo.
pozdrav vule
strani.bbs.147prvul,
Samo malo... Oko čega se mi ovde uopste raspravljamo?
Da li se treba povezati na neku mrežu? Izvinite, ali ja
mislim da će biti teško naći neki .DOC uz PD programe ili
bilo sta drugo sto se tiče objašnjenja nečega, a da se ne
navodi bar neka FIDO-Net ili slična adresa. Znači li to da
su svi oni ljudi budale? Bitno je imati kontakt sa svetom!
Što se softvera tiče, ako se ne varam, ranije se kao prednost
sopstvenog razvoja softvera za SEZAM navodila bas fleksibilnost...
Dakle, biće tu mesta da se "uglavi" i veza sa nekom drugom mrezom
osim SEZAM-Net. Sve je više stvar koncepcije.
Prvul.
P.S. Ona ideja sa ETF i BITNET-om nije loša...
Sve u svemu, vredna je razmatranja, zar ne ;)
strani.bbs.148mnikolic,
> (neuporedivo bolja organizacija konferencija, bolji sistem za čitanje
> poruka - jedino nikad neću prežaliti onu browse komandu ;), mogućnost
> vezivanja
Eh, bio jednom jedan browse... Bas steta.
strani.bbs.149dejanr,
>> Ono sto sam mislio da reknem je to da je Sezam imao oxoxo vremena da se
>> prebaci na umrezavanje, samo sto nije.
Pa, nije baš da nije. Već par meseci radi (doduše eksperimentalno) naš
node u Novom Sadu. Nemam nameru da objašnjavam koliko je bilo posla i
koliko je složeno bilo rešiti razne tehničke probleme takve mreže
(najzad, to za korisnike i nije presudno, njih prvenstveno interesuje
da li ta "stvar" dobro radi) ali mogu reći da mi u umrežavanje ulažemo
mnogo vremena i truda. Rezultati će se videti kad dođe vreme.
>> Ok, pa hoce li neko od nadleznih da kaze siroj javnosti kakve
>> planove za buducnost Sezam ima? A jel mogu da se navedu i
>> rokovi?
Na žalost ne. Naime, od prvih dana Sezama insistirali smo na tome da ne
dajemo obećanja nego da radimo. Obećati nešto pa ga ne ispuniti, ili
kasniti, daje vrlo loš utisak. A u ovoj situaciji pri realizaciji nečeg
novog uvek mogu da iskrsnu neki problemi koji od nas apsolutno ne zavise.
Zato je "politika" - najavljujemo nešto kada smo potpuno spremni da ga
ostvarimo. Biće, nadam se, i takvih najava tokom jeseni.
strani.bbs.150ppekovic,
>>> Ako misliš na drugu varijantu - da SEZAM napravi posao sa ETF-om,
>>> mislim da su za tako nešto vrlo slabe šanse (mislim da se prvo
>>> postavlja pitanje ima li ETF pravo da 'prodaje' pristup bitnet-u,
>>> a posle toga - da li mu to odgovara).
ETF nije tu odlučujući faktor. Mnogo veći faktor (i vlasnik
celog sistema) je SNTIJ. A u SNTIJ-u postoji mnogo ljudi sa kojima
se može razgovarati, dogovarati a verovatno i dogovoriti.
Paya
strani.bbs.151prvul,
>> Biće, nadam se, i takvih najava tokom jeseni.
I mi se nadamo ;) Samo napred.
strani.bbs.152vilic,
> ovde :) treba svećom tražiti. Zapravo, za našeg korisnika je to obično
> PREDNOST - ne mora da pročita "tonu" stranih poruka da bi našao jednu
> zanimljivu nego tu zanimljivu poruku dobije direktno. Naravno, uz rizik
> da nešto zanimljivo i propusti, ali sve ima svoju cenu...
To ne bih baš rekao da je demokratija. Isto su nam servirali
poslednjih decenija, ono o uznemiravanju građanstva viškom info-
rmacija.
Šalu na stranu, svako od nas ko nema pristup svetskim
mrežama kad tad je poželeo da se nađe na njima, makar i da vidi
kako to izgleda uživo, nekima će trebati možda informacije koje
ne dobijamo na Sezamu, možda uže stružne koje nezanimaju veći
broj korisnika.
Mislim da bi veliki deo korisnika Sezama pristao da mu se
poveča članarina ali da dobije mogučnost povezivanja sa recimo
nekom paketnom mrežom, cena pretplate se deli na broj zainteresovanih.
Predpostavljam da kreatorima sistema neće biti neki veliki problem
da naprave program koji bi pravio svakom korisniku odvojeni račun,
pa na kraju meseca izvoli plati.
Sezam bi po meni samo dobio, naravno sve mora da bude na tržišnom
principu. Podržavam takođe da se i dalje razvija Sezam-Net, ali
moramo shvatiti da time nedobijamo izlaz u svet već jedino pomažemo
kolegama koji su van Beograda da lakše sa svima nama komuniciraju.
SVET JE POSTAO GLOBALNO SELO, PRIDRUčIMO MU SE!!!
strani.bbs.153max.headroom,
>Samo malo... Oko cega se mi ovde uopste raspravljamo?
>Da li se treba povezati na neku mrezu? Izvinite, ali ja
>mislim da ce biti tesko naci neki .DOC uz PD programe ili
>bilo sta drugo sto se tice objasnjenja necega, a da se ne
>navodi bar neka FIDO-Net ili slicna adresa. Znaci li to da
>su svi oni ljudi budale? Bitno je imati kontakt sa svetom!
Nee, ni slucajno! Pa da konferencije budu zasute djubretom sa FIDO-Neta.
strani.bbs.154prvul,
Slazem se. Lepse je da sam odaberem sta cu da citam ;)
strani.bbs.155prvul,
A mogle bi da se otvore posebne konferencije za FIDO-Net, a?
Vidis, to sto si naveo je samo tehnicka poteskoca, a ono o
cemu ja govorim je koncepcija.
PRvul.
P.S. Nadam se da neko ima neki "jaci" razlog.
strani.bbs.156squsovac,
> Mislim da je ovo preoštar odgovor na sasvim normalno pitanje. SEZAM
> *pruža usluge* korisnicima; korisnici imaju pravo da postavljaju
> pitanja o uslugama koje dobijaju za uplaćenu pretplatu. Sasvim je
> normalno da kupac vodi računa kakvu robu dobija za svoj novac.SEZAM
> nije public service (a ni charity - plaća se).
Odgovor možda i jeste bio preoštar, ali nije bilo zle namere.
Konačno ni sam čovek kome sam "replicirao" nije moju reakciju shvatio
u tom smislu. Inače, Ti i ja se potpuno slažemo da bi i mi kao
krajnji korisnici Sezama trebalo da se barem malo pitamo o samom
Sezamu, ali zar to već ne postoji? Jedno je ono kako mi na primer
neki sistem uopšte percipiramo kao krajnji korisnici, a nešto sasvim
drugo je kako taj sistem koncipiraju ljudi koji su ga i stvorili.
Cilj onoga što sam napisao je bio da čoveku skrenem pažnju (iako ni
sam ne raspolažem nekim preciznim info. kada je Sezam u pitanju) da
nakon ulaza X dinara u sistem ne sledi obavezno prelivanje u nečiji
džep u iznosu 0.99*X din. U tom smislu sam pokušao nešto da kažem i
o oblastima o kojima malo ko od nas često razmišlja, a to su:
planireanje, razvoj, održavanje...
strani.bbs.157vule,
> ETF nije tu odlučujući faktor. Mnogo veći faktor (i vlasnik
> celog sistema) je SNTIJ. A u SNTIJ-u postoji mnogo ljudi sa kojima
> se može razgovarati, dogovarati a verovatno i dogovoriti.
Pa hoćemo li?
strani.bbs.158max.headroom,
V O T E ?!?
strani.bbs.159zormi,
> Prilično pratim šta se dešava i na Bix-u i na još par
> mesta i mogu ti reći da Sezam ni najmamnje ne zaostaje za
> njima po pitanju PD programa. Ta čno je da na mnogo mesta
> ima mnogo više programa, ali pogledaj kvalitet. Bio sam
> mesecima učlanjen na DDC (Detriot DL Centar), koji je
> verovatno BBS sa najviše programa za DL. Već posle par
> dana nema više ništa interesantno za DL, osim ao ne misliš
> da prebacuješ razne sličice i porno animacije.
Potpuno tačno. Nešto malo "življe" je na EXEC-PC BBS-u,
stiže mnogo više programa nego na DDC, ali sa rastom kvanti-
teta opada kvalitet.
Zato sam i ja prestao da plaćam DDC, ali još uvek imam
pun pristup i DL pravo ;)), ne znam na koju foru...
Trenutno plaćam EXEC (mislim da je najbolji za shareware)
i BIX (najbolji za informacije). Uz to ubeđujem direktora
da se firma pretplati na CompuServe (ne mogu sve ja iz svog
džepa), ali to malo teže ide zbog računa sa JUPAK-a koje
uglavnom ja pravim ;)))
strani.bbs.160iboris,
Vlado , ja bih to malo lepse formulisao. SEZAM je vec institucija !
strani.bbs.161iboris,
U medjuvremenu su smanjili pretplatu :)))))). Inace im je pretplata
bila veca nego za SEZAM , a cak ni knjigu sa uputstvom ne
dobijes :)))))) . Zivo me interesuje koliko imaju pretplacenih clanova.
strani.bbs.162iboris,
Ł ţţ ┬────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
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Aj wont to spik english,bat Aj dont nou hau to spik it. Vel,
dis iz maj veri bigining end I will spik it beter nekst tajm (maybe).
Bas_je_dobar_ovaj_engleski_mozes_da_pises_sta_hoces_a_niko_te_ne_razume.
Jos malo , pa da je tako. Inace sta znaci "general director" ?
Mozda MANAGER , ko zna...
strani.bbs.163iboris,
Ł P.S. Pratim sta se dogadja na YU-Velcom BBS-u.
Ł SEZAME, cuvaj se, stize ti konkurencija!
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Mozda za jedno 1E99999999999999999999999999 miliona godina velcom
dodje u fazu da mu kazu : "Ovaj BBS ce ako ovako nastavi poceti
da lici na SEZAM" .
P.S. Zasto provociras SEZAMOVCE ? Naredio "generalni direktor" ?
strani.bbs.164iboris,
Ł Slazem se. Lepse je da sam odaberem sta cu da citam ;)
Plati , pa se svrckaj :)))) Salim se , ali ja mislim da je
ovo jeftinije. BTW , u "ukus" Dejana Ristanovica ne sumnjam,
sve njegove poruke pazljivo citam, jer su interesantne. Ako
neko zeli da ima pristup na druge mreze, neka se slobodno
prikljuci, niko mu ne brani :)))))
Pozdrav,
Boris ILIC
strani.bbs.165lanik,
>> A mogle bi da se otvore posebne konferencije za FIDO-Net, a? <<
Da, to bi rešilo problem za one koji neće da prate fidonet; samo bi
lupili resign, a sve bi bilo na jednom mestu, bez "mešanja" sa sezam-om.
Samo što ja mislim da bi to zauzimalo suviše mesta a da informacije ne bi
bile naročito korisne... Mnogo korisniji bi bio pristup na bitnet.
Zamisli sad, uloguješ se na sezam i kažeš "mail send
in%"prvul@sezambgd.bitnet" ;)))
Dalibor
--> Motorola is the future. No sane hardware engineer would build a
--> computer based around i80x86 unless he would want it to be
--> MS-DOS compatible.
strani.bbs.166lanik,
A ono kada je čovek pitao koji kompjuter da kupi za profesionalni
rad u studiju (za midi i muziku), a mr. Kolundžić mu odgovorio da je za to
najbolja Amiga jer ima bolji zvučni čip od Atarija i PC-ja?
;))
--> Onhe Licht sieht man mich nicht!
strani.bbs.167prvul,
Dobro, ne kažem da bi bitnet bio loš...
Prvul.
strani.bbs.168prvul,
Pa, sad... to već nije onaaaaako strašno... može i AMIGI
da se doda MIDI, a može i PC-u...
Prvul.
strani.bbs.169dusan,
->Pa, sad... to već nije onaaaaako strašno... može i AMIGI
->da se doda MIDI, a može i PC-u...
može nema frke, ali je AK mislio na UGRADJEN ZVUžNI žIP. Kapiraš? žovek ga pita
za profi rad u studiju (misleći na midi), a pošto AK odprilike zna da amiga ima
bolji zvuk od st-a i PrC-a odvali da je amiga najbolja! ;))) svašta još neću
čuti...
strani.bbs.170max.headroom,
>P.S. Zasto provociras SEZAMOVCE ? Naredio "generalni direktor"
>?
Da bi se neko trgnuo i ustanovio da YUVelcom ima izlazak na ILINK, a SEZAM
*NEMA*. Ko ovo nije shvatio, neka prica price o AK.
Seeee'ya the point?!!?!?!!?!!?!?
strani.bbs.171vcalic,
>> Da bi se neko trgnuo i ustanovio da YUVelcom ima izlazak na ILINK, a
>>* SEZAM NEMA*. Ko ovo nije shvatio, neka prica price o AK.
A nadam se da ga neće nikada ni imati !?
WR
strani.bbs.172zkehler,
> P.S. Zasto provociras SEZAMOVCE ? Naredio "generalni direktor"
> ?
Da bi se neko trgnuo i ustanovio da YUVelcom ima izlazak na ILINK, a
* SEZAM NEMA*. Ko ovo nije shvatio, neka prica price o AK.
Baš lepo. Sada može da se dođe do ILINK-a.
Postoji tu i jedan problem: put vodi preko tzv. YU-Velcoma. Taj nazovi
BBS izabrao je pogrešno mesto da se reklamira. Bolje bi bilo da
pokušaš u "Saboru", "Selu", "Tik-Taku" i "Mikijevom Zabavniku".
Seeee'ya the point?!!?!?!!?!!?!?
(treba: Ya see the point? Po tvome ispada da ćeš TI videti MENE, TAžKU)
ZK
strani.bbs.173dejanr,
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strani.bbs.174djelovic,
Za to ti pretpostavljam treba neki outdial NUA tamo... žuj,
upoznaj ti našeg file moderatora (koji je u zadnje vreme malo zaspao,
zbog ispita, pretpostavljam) sa dešavanjima tamo, pa sunite neki
fajlić vamo...
strani.bbs.175bulaja,
│ Za to ti pretpostavljam treba neki outdial NUA tamo... Cuj,
│upoznaj ti naseg file moderatora (koji je u zadnje vreme malo zaspao,
│zbog ispita, pretpostavljam) sa desavanjima tamo, pa sunite neki
│fajlic vamo...
└───
I'm awake ! Nisam zaspao zbog ispita nego sam vas pustio malo da
predahnete, posto je direktna posledica mog moderisanja ovog meseca to
da je zz morao da poveca mesecni download limit jer su ga neki vec
bili ispunili. 4 Mb novih datoteka za jedan mesec je sasvim dovoljno,
ako je nekome to malo, nek saceka jos koji dan dok opet ne krenem
prekopavanje po bitnetu.
A za outdial NUA i sl. - :(. Vas file moderator unfortunatelu nema
vezu na jupak :(, a mora da se grebe cak i za obican username na
etf-u :(.
strani.bbs.176kvelkovski,
Nasao sam ovaj broj : 718-PRI-VATE (718-774-8283). To je neki
P.I.T.S. BBS i na 'skladistu' imaju cak i DOS 5.00. E, sad JUPAKovci
gde je out-dial za 718 (New York) ?
strani.bbs.177dristic,
Kazi mi molim te, sta su ti out dial-ovi ??
To sam vec cuo !
poydrav dristic
strani.bbs.178dejanr,
>> Kazi mi molim te, sta su ti out dial-ovi ?
Mogućnost da se sa paketne mreže (JUPAK) pozove neki običan telefonski
broj. Postoje outdial brojevi za razne oblasti u USA
strani.bbs.179prvul,
>>Kazi mi molim te, sta su ti out dial-ovi ??
>>To sam vec cuo !
Ja znam šta su, ali ne znam kako se koriste (otkucam NUA outdiala,
pritisnem enter, i on kaže da me je povezao... i više ne reaguje...).
Da li treba posle outdiala odmah kucati i broj, ili postoji neki fazon?
M.
strani.bbs.180dejanr,
Ako zovete BIX, nemojte ga zvati preko outdial-a nego direktno.
Ja ponekad zovnem preko outdial-a kad je NUA zauzet, a čini mi se
i da nešto brže radi. No odnedavno se desi ovo:
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strani.bbs.181jpiri,
Imam kretenski problem:
Zvao sam Borlandov BBS i sve lepo radi, ali download nece!
Imaju samo kretenske protokole: XMODEM, YMODEM i sl. Probao sam
oba sa ugradjenim Procommovim i stalno 'abortira'. Posle sam
probao sa YMODEM iz GSZ i opet nece! Ista stvar, medjutim, na
sezamu radi ok!
Inace, tamo i nema bogznasta (trazio sam stvari u vezi BC++ &
Application Frameworks -> Uzgred, radi li neko ovde sa time?)
strani.bbs.182miro,
Neko je poodavno upitao ima li BBSova na VAXovima. Ima,
za sve one koji imaju mogucnost koristenja SET HOST/X29.
Jedan zanimljiv BBS koji radi na VAXu i ima ulaz preko X.25 je
Pegassus BBS u CH. NUA je 6228 4752 1 2574. Nudi nesto od mogucnosti
VMSa i jos par programcica (Multichat je jedan). Ima mogucnost
istovremenog rada 15 ljudi preko X.25 i, mislim, 8 preko
9600 bps modema. Mail je sa sada lokalni, ali u februaru
sljedece godine planiraju uvodjenje mogucnosti koristenja
Internet-a. Sa sada je moguce primanje poste izvana preko
PSI-a. Imaju dva VAXStation 3100 i sada je povezan jedan
u njihov lokalni DECNet i ima id SATURN.
Na sramotu Sezama :) i u Bugarskoj ima jedan BBS na X.25. To je
Bulpac BBS, sysop je Marian Delkinow, sw je WildCat. Sa sada je
jednokorisnicki ali imaju na raspolaganju dva NUI-a i misle se
siriti. Delkinow je u potrazi za pravim BBS sw. Svi koji su
koristili Tanjug BBS znaju sta mogu ocekivati sada, ali X.25 je
ipak X.25. Broj je 6284 1321 606.
Dragisa (Bosnia Man)
SATURN::Durry (Pegassus)
strani.bbs.183zzdrnja,
Moze li mi neko reci kako da upadnem na BitNet.
strani.bbs.184dejanr,
>> Moze li mi neko reci kako da upadnem na BitNet.
Treba ti username na nekom VAX-u vezanom na DECnet, najbolje UBBG.
Ili, ako je samo Bitnet cilj, možeš da pokušaš i na PMF-u, gde
većina zainteresovanih studenata dobije pristup preko njihove
PC veze.
Ili da sačekaš vezu Sezam-Bitnet na kojoj se radi (iako trenutno
ne mogu precizno da kažem koliko ćeš još na nju čekati).
strani.bbs.185spantic,
> Moze li mi neko reci kako da upadnem na BitNet.
Da li si student ETFa, PMFa, Građevine, saradnik na BU (mada to trenutno
ne funkcioniše)? Onda lako. Inače ne baš.
strani.bbs.186m.dzigurski,
Mnogo ti hvala ovo sam trazio 3 meseca.
Pozdrav.
strani.bbs.187bulaja,
Evo sveze (novembar) liste svih USA BBS-ova.
Pa ko ima Jupak, ...
usbbs90.zipstrani.bbs.188zzdrnja,
HVALA NA POMOCI !!!
pitanje 2:Koju vrstu terminala koriste ameri ? Ja pozvo univesity of Tampa
na Floridi :)))) i tip mi odgovorio u stilu nista ne razumem ,promeni terminal
Sad koristim ansi 8n1.
Zoran
strani.bbs.189ppekovic,
>> pitanje 2:Koju vrstu terminala koriste ameri ? Ja pozvo univesity of Tampa
>> na Floridi :)))) i tip mi odgovorio u stilu nista ne razumem ,promeni
>> terminal Sad koristim ansi 8n1.
Probaj VT52 ili VT102!
Paya
strani.bbs.190zzdrnja,
Sa VT102 radi...
E da mi je jos mnp5 i 9600bps.Tezak je zivot...
strani.bbs.191ppekovic,
>> Sa VT102 radi...
>> E da mi je jos mnp5 i 9600bps.Tezak je zivot...
++++
Uzmi Telemate i MX5 MNP softverski emulator i uživaj!
Paya
strani.bbs.192zzdrnja,
Taj mx5 je fina stvar a i lepo radi sa mojim TELIX-ŕ ali 'propusta'
mnogo smeca sto pravi mnp5 nema obicaj...
Zoran
PS. Sledeca stanica havaii ! Nezgodna stvar je sto nemam broj ni
jednog bbs-a odande. Pomagajte napolju je bas 'ladno!!!
žZ
H
strani.bbs.193skoprivica,
>-> PS. Sledeca stanica havaii ! Nezgodna stvar je sto nemam broj ni
HAWAII , pa imas kod Budve :)
Aje... CTEBO.
strani.bbs.194drakce,
│ Taj mx5 je fina stvar a i lepo radi sa mojim TELIX-ŕ ali
│ 'propusta' mnogo smeca sto pravi mnp5 nema obicaj...
└─────
Bojim se da nisi u pravu. MX5 ne funkcioniše u Telixu, ili da budem
precizniji, samo ti troši 50 Kb memorije, a Telix i dalje radi po starom, bez
MNP-a. Zato i imaš smeća na vezi.
Problem je u tome što Telix direktno komunicira sa modemom i ne zanima
ga nikakav fossil driver. Jedini meni poznat program koji ima ugrađenu
mogućnost rada preko fossila je Telemate i to beta verzije 2.15 i 2.17.
Pozdrav od Dragana
strani.bbs.195carlo,
-=> Problem je u tome sto Telix direktno komunicira sa
-=> modemom i ne zanima ga nikakav fossil driver. Jedini
-=> meni poznat program koji ima ugradenu mogucnost rada
-=> preko fossila je Telemate i to beta verzije 2.15 i 2.17.
Bogu hvala Telixu za tu orijentaciju.
Ovako kako stvari stoje TeleMate treba koristiti kad 'oces
da se nerviras. Jeste lepo zamisljen, ali brate dosta
lose izvedeno. :(
Pozdrav, Victor.
P.S. Ja sam se evo posle nedelju dana rada sa novim 'ultra-high-mega
TeleMateom 3.0 (u stvari 2.17 Beta)' vratio na stari dobri
TELIX!
strani.bbs.196dejanr,
Upozorio bih korisnike BIX-a koji zovu preko JUPAK-a na sledeće:
kada sam pre par dana štosa radi zadao CHARGES, dobio sam račun
kojim su mi naplatili NEKE od ranijih seansi iako sam izabrao
flat fee. Evo šta sam dobio:
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strani.bbs.197dejanr,
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-< Mreze u svetu >-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evo spiska trenutno poznatih mreza u Svetu:
applelink Apple Computer, Inc.'s in-house network
bitnet international academic network
bix Byte magazine's commercial BBS
bmug Berkeley Macintosh Users Group
compuserve commercial time-sharing service
connect Connect Professional Information Network (commercial)
envoy Envoy-100 (Canadian commercial mail service)
fidonet PC-based BBS network
geonet GeoNet Mailbox Systems (commercial)
ieee-compmail A DIALCOM system supporting IEEE users
internet the Internet
mci MCI's commercial electronic mail service
mfenet Magnetic Fusion Energy Network
nasamail NASA internal electronic mail
peacenet non-profit mail service
sinet Schlumberger Information NETwork
span Space Physics Analysis Network
telemail Telenet's commercial mail service
thenet Texas Higher Education Network
usdamail A DIALCOM system supporting USDA researchers
strani.bbs.198skoprivica,
>-> peacenet non-profit mail service
????????
>-> sinet Schlumberger Information NETwork
Oce li ikada biti i SEZAM-NET tu ? ;)))))
Aje... CTEBO.
strani.bbs.199dejanr,
General Videotex Corporation (GVC) je kupio BIX. Opširnije u NOVOSTI/bix 5.2.