email.1785postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: WHO_IS_THE_BEST?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 01:57:00 +0100
VM>>Zasto vec jednom ne 'pustis' te poruke o kojima stalno pricas,
VM>>pada konacno
VM>>svi vide o cemu se radi?
---> Zanima me da li bi smeo meni da kazes da pustim u javnost poruke iz
---> net.sysop gde se komentarisu postupci administratora
---> sa fon-a? Ako zelis ja cu ih sa zadovoljstvom poslati.
---> ZDule...
Jel to meni stiglo sa zadnjom turom ???
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email.1786postmast,
From: BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:15:00 GMT
Marko Savkovic (msavkovic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> ipak, da nije sve tako kao sto tebi izgleda. Imam nekoliko kolega
>> koji su na postdiplomskim studijama u USA i nisu bas odusevljeni
>> opremom i resursima
>>
>> Kakve veze ima to sto se tvoji prijatelji nisu snasli ?
>> Mislis da je tako svuda, mozda na njihovom univerzitetu.
Ja sam samo izneo cinjenicu da se ljudima nije dopalo, a ne da se nisu snasli.
Naprotiv - cak su imali i stipendije! Takodje nisam rekao da je *svuda* tako -
to sto si ti tako protumacio tvoja je stvar. U USA, naprotiv, vecina skola
ima fantasticnu opremu i mrezne resurse. Ovo je bio izuzetak - cisto da
pokazem da je pogresno reci "na zapdadu je *svuda* bolje nego kod nas"
(pravilnije je mozda reci *uglavnom* bolje ... ;-) ).
>> Prijatelj u Madajrskoj ima E-mail sa dozvoljenim FTP-mailom u porukama
>> i to neograniceni. Sta kazes na to ? Naravno na univerzitetu.
To je izvrsno! Koliko ja znam, Madjarska ima i full Internet i barem 3
vece Internet providing firme. Mi za sada nemamo nijednu!
>> P.S.: Nesto mi, ipak, nije jasno: prosli put kad je bila ovakva
>> (besmislena) rasprava, opet je poruka dosla sa adrese sezam.co.yu.
>> SEZAM nema pravo razmene elektronske poste sa inostranstvom, pa mi
>> ostaje nejasno zasto su korisnici SEZAM-a jedini koji galame zbog
>> email-ogranicenja, kad to njih ne pogadja ni najmanje.
>>
>> Pa sta ako se diskusija razvija na sezamu, to ne znaci da korisnici
>> sezama nemaju naloge i na drugim mestima.
Tacno! Ali se ne bune sa tih drugih mesta, nego sa Sezama. No, ovo je bila
samo cinjenica koju sam konstatovao - nista zlonamerno. Takodje sam
konstatovao da je ova diskusija apsolutno besmislena, jer nema nikakav
cilj - sve je cist gubitak vremena. Ogranicenje je toliko koliko jeste,
trajace koliko bude trebalo da traje, ukinuce se kad se za to budu stekli
uslovi i sve ce biti na svom mestu. Ovako, ogromna energija se trosi na
nesto sto ni korisnici ni administratori ne mogu da promene.
Pozdrav,
Beri
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email.1787postmast,
From: BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic)
Subject: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:45:17 GMT
Nove datoteke na PUBLIC-u:
=====> ftp://ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu/net/internet/www/netscape/ <=====
Dirctory UBBG::PUBLIC:[NET.INTERNET.WWW.NETSCAPE]
==============================================================================
Filename/Type Blks Date Description
==============================================================================
N1612B6.EXE/b 3243 28/08/95 Netscape 1.2b6 - Win 3.1 16-bit version
N3212B6.EXE/b 3492 28/08/95 Netscape 1.2b6 - Win 3.1x 32-bit version
NC1610B1.EXE/b 888 28/08/95 Net Chat 1.0b1 - IRC client (16-bit)
NC3210B1.EXE/b 1374 28/08/95 Net Chat 1.0b1 - IRC client (32-bit)
NSM10B1.EXE/b 2754 28/08/95 NetSmart 1.0b - Smart WWW browser (net.surf)
==============================================================================
Send comments & bugs to UBBG::PUBADMIN / pubadmin@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
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email.1788postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:58:19 GMT
BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
>Nove datoteke na PUBLIC-u:
> =====> ftp://ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu/net/internet/www/netscape/ <=====
Svaka cast! I po "velikom" inet-u mnoga mesta jos nemaju b6.
Uzgred, jel' probana kombinacija Win95 i Netscape 12b6, i ako jeste da
li jos prave probleme oni transparentni gif-ovi? Ako sve radi, da
instaliramo taj Win95.
Pl poz D
email.1789postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:58:26 GMT
BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
>>> Prijatelj u Madajrskoj ima E-mail sa dozvoljenim FTP-mailom u porukama
>>> i to neograniceni. Sta kazes na to ? Naravno na univerzitetu.
>To je izvrsno! Koliko ja znam, Madjarska ima i full Internet i barem 3
>vece Internet providing firme. Mi za sada nemamo nijednu!
Promakla mi je originalna pruka, pa odgovaram ovako, posredno.
Probao sam Madjarki univerzitetski Inet. To je neopevano sporo, tako
da je skoro nemoguce za koriscenje. Naime, u Madjarskoj je X.25
besplatan za univerzitet, pa se nekoliko X.25 linija rabe za akademske
potrebe. Ali, kada se okaci desetak korisnika, stvar je ispod granice
korisnosti. Meni je bilo potrebno desetak pokusaja da uspem da se
povezem na svoj nalog u CH, i proverim postu. FTP nisam probao, ali po
svemu sudeci isti je skoro nemoguc.
Pl poz D
email.1790postmast,
From: EOBULJEN@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Obuljen Viktor)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:08:25 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
: >Nove datoteke na PUBLIC-u:
: > =====> ftp://ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu/net/internet/www/netscape/ <=====
: Svaka cast! I po "velikom" inet-u mnoga mesta jos nemaju b6.
: Uzgred, jel' probana kombinacija Win95 i Netscape 12b6, i ako jeste da
: li jos prave probleme oni transparentni gif-ovi? Ako sve radi, da
: instaliramo taj Win95.
: Pl poz D
Zdravo,
Ma batalimo te providne gif-ove, pravi li taj win jos negde drugde problem ?
:)) P da onda pristupimo gore navedenom ;)
BTW sta su to providni GIF-ovi ?
Pozdrav.
P.S. Jos da ja s NB-a uspem na vise od 2400 da se vezem ;))
[eobuljen@ubbg,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
email.1791postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:02:29 GMT
Da repliciram sam sebi:
Izgleda da je 16-bitna verzija "budjava". Pri razmotavanju fajl
netscape.ex_ prjavljuje CRC error. Bar da je drugi neki fajl!
Pl poz D
email.1792postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:17:22 GMT
Obuljen Viktor (EOBULJEN@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU) reche:
/* >: Svaka cast! I po "velikom" inet-u mnoga mesta jos nemaju b6.
/* >: Uzgred, jel' probana kombinacija Win95 i Netscape 12b6, i ako jeste da
/* >: li jos prave probleme oni transparentni gif-ovi? Ako sve radi, da
/* >: instaliramo taj Win95.
Jos nismo probali ali hocemo vec veceras ako bude srece.:))))
/* >Ma batalimo te providne gif-ove, pravi li taj win jos negde drugde problem ?
/* >:)) P da onda pristupimo gore navedenom ;)
Pa to bas i nije tako naivna stvar jer sem njih postoji problem i sa
josh nekim naprednim HTML+, HTML3.0 komandama... Jednostavno ih
browser ne prikazuje... To je sve radilo ok zakljucno sa Final Betom.
/* >BTW sta su to providni GIF-ovi ?
To su u stvari GIF89 fajlovi kod kojih je odredjenom metodom
setovano da odgovarajuca boja bude transparentna u odredjenim
uslovima.. Recimo takav gif se importuje u Netscape i jednostavno
ona setovana boja postaje providna... Gif i dalje zadrzava svoj
cetvrtasti izgled, no dobija se potpuno novi kvalitet u prezentaciji.
Uostalom ima tih transparentnih gifova mnogo a recimo dva mozete
dosta atraktivna videti na:
http://zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu/~bane/
Pozdrav,
Bane
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email.1793banga,
-> #1787, postmast> =====> ftp://ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu/net/internet/www/netscape/
Moja kuma ima nalog na ubbg. Da li na wax-u postoji nesto slicno kao
twinsock?
email.1794bane.,
-> #1789, postmast>> Probao sam Madjarki univerzitetski Inet. To je neopevano
>> sporo, tako da je skoro nemoguce za koriscenje. Naime, u
>> Madjarskoj je X.25 besplatan za univerzitet, pa se nekoliko
>> X.25 linija rabe za akademske potrebe. Ali, kada se okaci
>> desetak korisnika, stvar je ispod granice korisnosti. Meni je
>> bilo potrebno desetak pokusaja da uspem da se povezem na svoj
>> nalog u CH, i proverim postu. FTP nisam probao, ali po svemu
>> sudeci isti je skoro nemoguc.
Ali zato imaju Compuserve mrezu na 9600, i sasvim je OK... dovoljno
brza da se cak isplati i kad se zove odavde.
Bane.
email.1795vitez.koja,
-> #1780, postmast#=> From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
#=> Subject: RE: EMAIL
#=> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 01:57:00 +0100
#=> Mislim da ej bolje ...
#=> DALI OSTATAK SVETA MOZE DA BIRA DALI DA BUDE PRIKACEN
#=> SEZAM ILI NE !
Može...
šifra: plati pa klati.
email.1796superhik,
-> #1785, postmast=:> From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Je l' se ovaj umori nekad!?
email.1797postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: NEMA LEBA BEZ MOTIKE!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:06:57 GMT
ĐŠč On 08-28-95 21:39 Malenovi@cview.com wrote:
Ma> nazalost meni nista nije promaklo ali jednostavno ne mogu da odolim a
Ma> da ne uskocim. ajde jedan stejtment za javnost:
Ma> NISTA NA OVOME SVETU NIJE BESPLATNO.
Lepo rek'o co'ek, on valjda zna, s obzirom na svoju e-mail adresu...
Ma> daklem, ANS je monster - ima 45Mbps i neke jako brze linkove od kojim
Ma> mi se govno smrzne kad cujem (btw, za one koji ce da mi skoce za vrat
Sta se uradi??? ;)
Ma> sin.com - Proudly running FreeBSD 2.0.5 486DX2/50 32 Mb RAM 1.5Gb SCSI
Ma> Look at what Linux did - it made everyone aware of Unices, but it has
Ma> put back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont'
Ma> ask what your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke
Ma> Linux!
Eeeee, ovo mi nikako nije jasno. Jel' moze jedno objasnjenje zasto je
Linux bljak a BSD coolj?
Meni se cini da je obratno, jer mi kakvi smo, sigurno bi na ftp hostovima
drzali BSD umesto Linuxa da je BSD bolji...
... Hey! Do not touch that pho├Ó˙┴¡ŞĹĂĂŠłž NO CARRIER
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
email.1798postmast,
From: vvlada@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Vladimir Vucinic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:23:35 GMT
BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
>Izasao je Netscape 1.2N (oficijelna verzija!)! Moze se naci na istom mestu
>na PUBLIC-u gde i prosla verzija, tj:
>N32E12N.EXE/b 3498 03/09/95 Netscape 1.2N - Win 3.1* 32-bit version
Da li igde ima 32-bitni twinsock, buduci da 32-bitna verzija
Nescape (na Windows 95) ne radi sa starim twinsock-om?
Vlada
Vladimir Vucinic
ETF Beograd, RTI smer
E_Mail: vvlada@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
email.1799postmast,
From: BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 08:59:13 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> Ali, to je iza nas, sada cekamo Netscape 12N, koji je kako znamo
>> izasao.
Izasao je Netscape 1.2N (oficijelna verzija!)! Moze se naci na istom mestu
na PUBLIC-u gde i prosla verzija, tj:
ftp://ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu/net/internet/www/
Datoteke koje treba skinuti su:
Directory UBBG::PUBLIC:[NET.INTERNET.WWW.NETSCAPE]
==============================================================================
Filename/Type Blks Date Description
==============================================================================
N16E12N.EXE/b 3246 03/09/95 Netscape 1.2N - Win 3.1 16-bit version
N32E12N.EXE/b 3498 03/09/95 Netscape 1.2N - Win 3.1* 32-bit version
README12.TXT/a 18 03/09/95 README file for Netscape 1.2N
WIN12N.HTML/a 36 03/09/95 Netscape 1.2N Release Notes (HTML format)
==============================================================================
1 Blk is 512 bytes long
NAPOMENA: Beta verzija 1.2b6 je uklonjena sa diska, buduci da je izasla
zvanicna!
Pozdrav,
Beri
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email.1800postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:31:47 GMT
BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
>Izasao je Netscape 1.2N (oficijelna verzija!)! Moze se naci na istom mestu
>na PUBLIC-u gde i prosla verzija, tj: ...
Sjajno! Vec je pokupljen, ovoga puta bez problema.
Pl poz D
email.1801postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: administracija?
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:36:57 GMT
Predrag Supurovic (broker@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> Kome korisnik treba da se zali kada je YUInternet
-> prepun uvreda na njegov racun?
Treba da se zapita cime je to zasluzio, na prvom mjestu. Zatim,
-> Na koji nacin moze da se zastiti?
neka iskoristi bilo koji mehanizam za ignorisanja poruka od korisnika koji
ga vrijedjaju/dosadjuju mu/pisu beskorisne poruke.
A korisnik koji ga vrijedja, neka i nastavi, jer ako to nema osnova/ukusa,
najvise ce stetiti njemu samom.
Policijske metode ne piju vodu.
dd
email.1802postmast,
From: dcolak@setnet.co.yu (Damir Colak)
Subject: email
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 19:41:20
"S> ***** PAZNJA: Email *****
"S> Molimo Vas da email prema svetu koristite samo za privatnu komunikaciju.
"S> Za eventualno slanje binarnih datoteka koristite uuencode.
"S> Zabranjeno je koristiti ftp-mail servere i pretplacivati se na mail liste.
"S>HJesam li samo ja dobio ovo ili svi korisnici na osmehu?
I svi korisnici na FFS-u :)
Sledge DAMMIR!
* Origin: Sledge HAMMER! BBS 011/163-452 22:00-07:00 (38:103/128)
email.1803postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 12:22:28
-+=+- "Aleksandar Sevic" rece : -+=+-
"S> HJesam li samo ja dobio ovo ili svi korisnici na osmehu?
Ne samo na osmehu ;)
Pozdrav, Mladen Adamovic (adamm@elf.bl.ac.yu).
... MA> Obavezan si da ukrades ovaj TAG.
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1804postmast,
From: Milan.Kurtovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Milan Kurtovic)
Subject: OSTALE MREZE I SETNET
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 15:34:09
---> ■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?
NE> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NE> A jes ti negde video mojih 6 disketa :))))
NE> Aaaaaaaaa.......??????
NE> CCCCCCCCccccccc............
Ja ih nigde nisam vidio ako ih slucajno
vidim javicu ti... :))))))))))))))
Pozdrav, Milan
... hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY!
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1807postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 14:35:26 GMT
"Marko Savkovic" <msavkovic@sezam.UUCP> writes:
> Da kod nas postoji neka firma koja nudi internet email bez
> ogranicenja, po cenama normalnim za nasu zemlju, ja bih to platio.
>
> Ne zaboravi BITS ;) 100din mesecno za "SVE" neogranicene usluge
> interneta ;)
Daaa how yes no, idi tamo pa ces saznati da oni to imaju ali za samo
ogranicen broj korisnika. (koji je naravno popunjen)
ZDule...#! rnews 994
email.1808postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: _DEMOKRATIJA_&_SETNET
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 13:03:00 +0100
n( >> Ma covece radi sta oces ...
n( >> U najgorem slucaju mogu da te izbace sa SETNet-a ....
n( >> A sve sto imaju oni ima i BUSY CONNECTION ...
---> s'o lazesh ljude i to ovako javno ?!
---> NEmamo sve shto i SETNet !
---> nemamo Broker-a
^^^^^^^^
Jel to Predraag Supurovic
sto mu je a svakom BBS-u paassword > HACKER < [HHAHAHA]
---> Nemamo Veliki i glomazni pravilnik (koji niko ne chita)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PA nije bas VELIKI i GLOMAZAN !:)))
---> nemamo BBS-ove u bugarskoj i makedoniji koji ne nikada ne shalju ni jednu
---> poruku
Pa videli ljudida su to budale ...
---> Nemamo ogranicheni Bint Mail (mail nam nije ogranichen samo na bint)
ISkreno i duboko ih ZALIM :)))
---> nemamo josh puno stvari koje oni imaju.....
---> Whellin
WeHeSellin > WESESLIN > VESELI !
Pa oni ne maju TEBE :)
Znas ono cime se GLUP (SET NET) ponosi ... toga se pametan stidi :)))
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email.1809postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:27:51 GMT
Branimir Karadzic (bkaradzic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> ;;; Na primer? Ispravno je reci da postoje racunari na kojima su usluge
-> ;;; emaila besplatne. Takvi postoje i kod nas: Osmeh, Galeb. Ali i njihove
-> ;;; troskove neko placa.
-> neko = ministarstvo
-> Taj neko sto placa uzima pare od naroda, bilo bi logicno da to i vrati
-> narodu.
A ti si kao izabrani reprezent istoga, zaduzen za kontra-harac ? :)
email.1810postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: novi zastoj
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:29:08 GMT
Vidim da SII ne stize vec par dana, jel opet zastoj kod Grcite?
email.1811postmast,
From: malenovi@cview.com (Nik Malenovic)
Subject: NEMA LEBA BEZ MOTIKE!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:39:35 GMT
notirati promenu subjecta. naime ovo vise nije email nego "ja hocu
pare ali necu da radim".
In article <DE0uKB.DyL@fon>, Drazen Pantic <drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu> wrote:
>BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
>>>> Prijatelj u Madajrskoj ima E-mail sa dozvoljenim FTP-mailom u porukama
>>>> i to neograniceni. Sta kazes na to ? Naravno na univerzitetu.
>>To je izvrsno! Koliko ja znam, Madjarska ima i full Internet i barem 3
>>vece Internet providing firme. Mi za sada nemamo nijednu!
>Promakla mi je originalna pruka, pa odgovaram ovako, posredno.
nazalost meni nista nije promaklo ali jednostavno ne mogu da odolim a da
ne uskocim. ajde jedan stejtment za javnost:
NISTA NA OVOME SVETU NIJE BESPLATNO.
sa ovoom porukom u mislima, onima koji misle da je internet njihovo
pravo, i da treba da bude besplatan, da im objasnim par stvari.
Internet nikad nije niti ce biti besplatan. glavna bitka na internetu
se vodi oko CIX-alike organizacija. to nema veze sa time sto je neki tamo
freenet u kanadi besplatan - neko mora da placa dialup-e, neko mora da
placa machine, neko mora da placa telco equipment, neko mora da placa
leased line, neko morea da placa routere... neko mora da placa... kako to
radi besplatno? pa fund-raising, government-sponsored funds, etc. nije
to besplatno - samo neko drugi placa, kapirate?
back to CIX-alike problem. evo da vam dam layout problema. da uprostim
stvar pricacu vam o kompanijama Alternet, ANS, PSI, SprintLink - jedinim
provajderima na internetu.
daklem, ANS je monster - ima 45Mbps i neke jako brze linkove od kojim mi
se govno smrzne kad cujem (btw, za one koji ce da mi skoce za vrat
oko koriscenja reci mogu da im kazem da se vrate u 80te. tada su mogli
da sve urade skaldno i podobno :-). daklem, ANS postao velik. SprintLink
postaje velik - maznuli su neki sumanut procenat marketa za internet.
PSI i Alternet su isto veliki, medjutim... Dodje ANS koji placa 5000$ mesecno
link ka Alternetu i kaze "slusaj, zasto ja ANS da placam tebi Alternetu
link od 5000$ mesecno? ja sam veci - ti placaj link ka meni". e tu
Alternet kaze "ma nemoj? ja imam veci customer base - ti placas meni!"
i onda se oni po tipicnom balkanskom jelovniku popickaraju i prekinu
linkove izmedju sebe. u tom trenutku Alternet isto to uradi i sa PSI
i sa SprintLinkom. ANS to isto uradi... i tako dalje. sve u svemu svako
se odvoji od svakog i sta imamo? nemamo nista. internet je mrtav i imamo
novi x.25 network :-) svako placa "arm and a leg" za svoju vezu i ciklus
se ponavlja. eto to je samo DEO price oko komercijalizacije interneta.
ostatak ekonomije prepustam ljudima sa divljom mastom i ekonomskim
studentima. :-)
Nik
P.S. nisam mogao da odolim (ovo treba da ide u yu.os.unix.geek):
>Probao sam Madjarki univerzitetski Inet. To je neopevano sporo, tako
>da je skoro nemoguce za koriscenje. Naime, u Madjarskoj je X.25
>besplatan za univerzitet, pa se nekoliko X.25 linija rabe za akademske
>potrebe. Ali, kada se okaci desetak korisnika, stvar je ispod granice
>korisnosti. Meni je bilo potrebno desetak pokusaja da uspem da se
>povezem na svoj nalog u CH, i proverim postu. FTP nisam probao, ali po
>svemu sudeci isti je skoro nemoguc.
nemora da znaci ;) moguce da filtriraju i alociraju bandwidth na osnovu
tos (type-of-service field u ip paketu) - i recimo dodele ti fiksno 90%
bandwidth-a za ftp a 10% za telnet. naravno onda tog administratora treba
na prvu krusku (dunju, jabuku sta god :-)...
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your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke Linux!
email.1812postmast,
From: malenovi@cview.com (Nik Malenovic)
Subject: Re: novi zastoj
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:41:25 GMT
In article <1995Aug28.192908.22670@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
> Vidim da SII ne stize vec par dana, jel opet zastoj kod Grcite?
ocigledno je vreme da se promeni feed a? :-)))))))))))))))
Nik
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Look at what Linux did - it made everyone aware of Unices, but it has put
back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont' ask what
your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke Linux!
email.1813postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: cancel <1995Aug29.063839.7226@hobbiton.CO.YU>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:40:32 GMT
Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
email.1814postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:49:05 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) reche:
/* >Da repliciram sam sebi:
/* >Izgleda da je 16-bitna verzija "budjava". Pri razmotavanju fajl
/* >netscape.ex_ prjavljuje CRC error. Bar da je drugi neki fajl!
Nadam se da nije UBBGov PUBLIC disk poceo opet da pravi probleme...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
I'm not lost, I'm "locationally challenged."
email.1815postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:50:34 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) reche:
/* >Da repliciram sam sebi:
/* >Izgleda da je 16-bitna verzija "budjava". Pri razmotavanju fajl
/* >netscape.ex_ prjavljuje CRC error. Bar da je drugi neki fajl!
Pardon, zaboravih nesto... Juce sma na jednom notebooku sasvim
lako i bez problema namestio n1612b6.exe...
Preporucujem da se ponovo skine paket...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
... Program? Hahaha! Koji radi! Hahahahaha!
email.1816postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: novi zastoj
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:51:31 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
/* > Vidim da SII ne stize vec par dana, jel opet zastoj kod Grcite?
Mail ne pristize od 26 u 19:00 uvece ako se ne varam...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
"MEOW"...SPLAT..."RUFF"...SPLAT...(Raining cats & dogs)
email.1817postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:38 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
EH>Does anybody have any Internet addresses in the Philippines?
IPhil Communications Network, Inc.
Area/Country codes: +63
Local area codes:
Automated email: [1]info@iphil.net
Human email:
Phone: +63 2 893-9705
Fax: +63 2 893-9710
URL: [2]http://www.iphil.net/
Services: UUCP, PPP and leased line connectivity, Home page
hosting, System integration and consulting,
Customized services
Found on the excellent http://thelist.com **thanks to the person who
posted this recently. It's been a big help to me.**
Melody James
* Wave Rider 1.01 [NR] *
... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
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email.1818postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:41 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
CH>Hello, i have been hearing a lot about "Snail Mail". What exactly is it?
Popular in the United States and in other countries for many decades,
Snail Mail represented the physical transportation of drawn messages
from one location to another.
The idea was tricky. Apparently the writer (the SENDER), had to use
marking devices or other apparatus to generate the meaningful prose on a
light-weight platform capable of being modified and inserted into a
slightly heavier transport.
This transport <called an envelope, but could consist of many different
kinds depending on the needs of the sender> was then marked with the
location to where it was to be transported. To validate to the
transporter that the envelope had been "paid" for and thus qualified to
be handled, a "stamp" was placed upon it.
The process really gets fascinating at this point. Before the envelope
could be transported by what they called a MAILMAN, it had to be moved
to a location where the mailman would find it as part of his daily
rounds. In other words, you couldn't just create one of these envelopes
containing information and put it down. Nobody who could transport it
to its destination would find it.
So you had to take your envelope and put it down someplace designated as
a mailman's stop. Such stops were provided by the POST OFFICE which was
the institution developed to handle the transport of envelopes. Once
you found such an area it usually had a MAIL BOX where you could drop
the envelope and forget it. For convenience, you could also put the
envelope in your house's mailbox for the mailman to take if he saw it
while stopping by to give YOU envelopes that others had sent to you.
According to historical arhives, mailmen were nice people but you didn't
want to talk to one for too long because sometimes they shot you for no
reason. It would appear there was some danger in the processing of these
envelopes.
Okay, so the envelope would be processed, carried, shipped, and flown
to whatever geographic region it needed to be in order for the
designated recipient to get it. Workers were able to do this based on
the information marked on the face.
Ultimately the envelope made it to the precise location you intended for
it to, in most cases.
If this sounds like Email, you're right! Snail Mail was simply another
form of Email. But because the process took days instead of just hours
or minutes to transfer information, the term "Snail" was applied to the
process.
Dave
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email.1819postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:43 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Hello Sysop!
OS2INET
The Internet and OS/2 Integration and Use
Discussion of the Internet and how to interface with it in OS/2.
Topics include Internet configuration, Internet clients and
servers, scriping including REXX, HTML, and other Internet
related coding, user assistance and distribution of interesting
Internet WWW, Gopher, FTP sites, IRC channels, Winsock programs
and utilities in Win-OS2.
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Gateways:
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Last changed: 16 Aug 95 by Dennis Peterson, 1:343/179
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email.1820postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:45 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
-=> Quoting Greg Waggy to All <=-
GW> Hello All!
GW> Can someone out there tell me some good books to get to leanr
GW> structured HTML scripts? I'm very interested in some complex Web
GW> pages, and need a good book or two.
http://slack.lne.com/Web/
http://www.infonet.net/showcase/lesmick/learn.html
http://WWW.Stars.com/index.html
http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/tut/
http://www.mcp.com/general/workshop/newsgroups.html
http://WWW.WEBMASTER.COM/indexhigh.html
The first link is the online companion to "Teach Yourself Web Publishing
in a Week" and "Teach Yourself More Web Publishing in a Week". The next
to last is a link to usenet newsgroups dealing with writing web pages.
You also might want to check http://www.mcp.com which is the parent company
of Que, Brady, Sams.Net, New Rider computer books, with sample chapters
available for most.
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email.1821postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:47 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
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email.1822postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:49 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
"EXPLORING THE INTERNET" - FREE ONLINE WORKSHOP PREVIEWS THIS FALL
Unleash the power of your modem and discover valuable resources on the
Internet in a four-week online workshop that is free to the public.
"Exploring The Internet" is aimed at beginning and intermediate users. Learn
the ABC's of FTP, IRC, and SLIP/PPP; discover useful tips and shortcuts on
surfing the World Wide Web. Find out how to save money with "offline" news
and mail readers, and learn about low-cost alternatives to Prodigy and
America Online.
The workshop is being sponsored by Spectrum Virtual University, which
recently established an online campus on the World Wide Web and is now
conducting a summer workshop on dream analysis that has attracted more than
5,000 participants from around the world.
"Exploring The Internet" starts in September and will be hosted by
author/editor Richard De A'Morelli, who formerly served as a by-lined member
of Irving Wallace's editorial staff and has been roaming the Net since the
early 1980's.
"People are hearing that the Internet is full of pornography and para-
militaries but the fact is, virtually all of the knowledge that our
civilization has amassed since the dawn of history is now accessible on the
Internet, if you know where to look for it," De A'Morelli said. Colleges,
libraries, museums, magazine and music publishers, government agencies, and
major businesses are now providing scores of useful services on the Internet,
he added.
The four-week course will help newcomers get plugged in. Workshop participants
will receive free software; and in some cities, such as Los Angeles, Spectrum
is arranging for new users to receive up to one month of free Internet access
during the workshop.
Besides helping newcomers get plugged in, the workshop will offer tips on
using popular tools such as FTP, which stands for "File Transfer Protocol"
and, simply put, allows PC users to download free software programs,
electronic books and magazines, famous art replicas, even tax forms and
samples of hot new music from virtual libraries all over the world. Literally
millions of such items are now online and free for the asking.
Other topics will include Usenet, the enormously popular network of nearly
14,000 public news groups; and "mailing lists", which are a cross between a
news group and an electronic magazine. Some 30,000 mailing lists now exist on
the Internet covering every conceivable topic. Many lists are moderated which
means incoming messages are filtered and junk mail is purged before reaching
your mailbox.
"A Question & Answer forum will provide step-by-step assistance throughout
the workshop to those who need help installing or using a program or
accessing particular features. A 24-hour telephone helpline may also be
established.
Enrollment deadline is Friday, September 29. Those wishing to join the class
can e-mail Spectrum@PacificNet.Net to request a registration form and further
details. Those who don't have Internet access can register using a touch tone
phone by calling Spectrum's 24-hour registration line at (818) 899-7888.
=============
Welcome to our Autumn 1995 workshop, "EXPLORING THE INTERNET." To complete
your enrollment, just follow these easy instructions.
This workshop is sponsored by Spectrum Virtual University to raise public
awareness and provide greater access to the information-rich highways of
cyberspace. The workshop is FREE and the only requirement is basic e-mail
access.
This form may be copied and freely distributed. Please pass along copies to
others who might benefit from this workshop.
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Use the "Subject": ENROLL 811
and e-mail form to: spectrum@pacificnet.net
To enroll by FAX: Print this enrollment form on your printer and fax to
(818) 834-8221. Please fax only the form! It is not necessary to fax back
these instructions.
To register by touchtone telephone: Call our 24-hour "Personal Touch"
registration line at (818) 899-7888 and simply follow the menus.
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addresses and we will distribute the forms automatically.
Please use "Subject": "GROUP REQUEST 811"
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email.1823postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:51 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: Rules for Using the 1:1/3
[Automated Posting]
[NOTE: Posting messages in this conference will NOT get it thru the gateway!]
Rules for using the Internet<->Fidonet Gateway at 1:1/31
========================================================
*****************************************************************
* All gateway mail is subject to inspection by the postmaster. *
* There is no such thing as completely private mail. The *
* postmaster will never reveal the contents of a message to any *
* third party unless forced to by legal authorities or to file *
* a network or legal complaint involving rules violations. *
* Anyone violating the rules of this gateway, FidoNet, or *
* Internet, will be cut off without notice and may be subject *
* to an official policy complaint. No data files or encrypted *
* messages may be sent through this gateway without prior *
* permission. *
*****************************************************************
The Internet can NOT be used for profit. Mail sent via this system
gets routed via the NSFnet and cannot contain advertisements, sales
literature, or other profit-making "things" unless in a direct reply
to a query from an Internet site.
FidoNet and this gateway also have restrictions on commercial
messages. Do NOT send commercial messages via this gateway.
You may not send any copyrighted material through the gateway.
Any hint of an illegal activity in any message may result in one
or more of the following:
1. Immediate termination of gateway access.
2. Official complaint to the proper network authorities.
3. A report to the proper legal authorities.
There are no charges for using the gateway and Fidonet systems may
*NOT* charge others for doing so (except for out of pocket phone
costs). Any system that charges users for access to that system may
*NOT* charge users for Gateway access.
All Fidonet Sysops are *REQUIRED* to make sure that their users read
these rules prior to using the Gateway. Sysops may be held responsible
for rules violations by their users and Points.
The gateway exists to provide a communications link between people
that would otherwise be unable to communicate. It is NOT here as a
way to avoid spending FidoNet NetMail charges. Outgoing messages
with a destination address within Fidonet will be REJECTED and bounced
by the gateway software. (ie: Any traffic with a destination address
which ends in ".z#.fidonet.org" will automatically be BOUNCED by
the gateway.)
If you have mail accounts on both Fidonet and Internet, you are *NOT*
permitted to use the gateway for communication between the two.
Do NOT set up a ".forward" on your Internet account which forwards
to your FidoNet address.
Messages can take between 5 minutes and several weeks to be delivered!
(Most mail is "routed" thru the FidoNet Backbone systems via the Zhubs.)
You can not count on how long things will take. There may be vast
time differences in delivery times between two messages sent to the
same address on 2 consecutive days.
Messages with bad addresses will usually (but not always) be returned
to the sender within a few days. If you have addressing questions,
please read the FAQ files for the gateway *first* before contacting
the 'postmaster'. You may obtain the FAQ documents via FidoNet
as follows:
1) Simply File-Request the FileName or Magic-Name from 1:1/31
2) Send a dummy message to the 'alias' name on 1:1/31 and it
will be send back thru the gateway to you.
FileName Magic-Name/Alias Description
-------- ---------------- -----------
uucphelp.txt uucphelp Instructions for using UUCP gateways
to send E-mail from/to FidoNet with
specifics for the gateway at 1:1/31
infogate.txt infogate Info on the operation of the gateway
at 1:1/31.
(If you're using it, READ it!)
gateways.lst gateways List of sites approved for GUUCP flag
and rules for obtaining that status.
Messages coming in thru the gateway from the Internet are SPLIT
automatically by the gateway into 10k chunks. Anything over 32kb are
simply discarded in their entirety.
Automated Internet mailing lists can generate a lot of messages on a
daily basis. Heavy traffic of this nature tends to bog down the
gateway. Many people sign up for lists, read them for a few weeks,
and then don't pay much attention to them after that, but they go on
loading the gateway.
You may not send files or UUENCODED text through the gateway without
prior permission from the Postmaster.
Do NOT use a name which contains a PERIOD in the name, as it will
NOT be translated correctly coming back in and you may not be able
to read it.
Addressing OUTGOING Mail (to the Internet):
------------------------------------------
Messages must be addressed to 1:1/31 and either have the UserName
"Uucp" in the FidoNet-Header with the Internet destination in a
"To: address" line as the very FIRST line of the message;
-or-
have the Internet destination as the UserName field, complete
with the '@' sign.
(For more specific details, see the UUCPHELP document as per above)
(If you are using an off-line reader, consult your SYSOP,
not the postmaster.)
INCOMING Mail (from the Internet):
---------------------------------
Much of the incoming E-mail is *ROUTED* thru the FidoNet Backbone
via 1:270/101. The mail for some systems are put directly on HOLD
at 1:1/31 either at the request of the recipient SysOp, or one of
the backbone routers or at the discretion of the gateway-operator.
Systems receiving large volumes of E-mail in the form of
mailing-lists, UUencoded files and such *will* be asked to POLL
for their Mail. The FidoNet backbone will NOT route such large
volumes of mail.
NOTE: All incoming traffic from the Internet which appears to be
'mailing-list' traffic will NOT be routed but will be packed on
*HOLD* at the gateway for the systems to pickup directly.
All mail at this gateway are ARCmailed using ARC level-5 compression
and ARCmail v.0.60 file-naming conventions.
Incoming UUencoded traffic will also be placed on HOLD at the gateway.
NO other compression methods are available.
Mail will be HELD for a period of not more than 6 days (depending
on disk space). You *must* Poll for your Mail at least twice a
week or some mail will be lost. We just cannot hold mail indefinitely.
If you would *like* for your Internet mail to be put on HOLD at
1:1/31 instead of being routed, SysOps may simply File-Request
UUHOLD from 1:1/31. This will pass your address into a process
that will dynamically re-configure the routing and related files.
You will NOT receive any confirmation immediately, but will receive
a routed NetMail confirmation from a later process.
Be aware that when you do so, it will also automatically install
an MX-record for your address so that your Internet mail will come
in thru 1:1/31 even though your Net may have mail normally coming
in thru one of the other gateways.
If you are an NC and would like your entire Net's mail held for
you and your mailer is capable of EMSI, just F'req UNETHOLD instead.
(Mailing-list traffic is NOT packed during this routing cycle.)
Mail TO or FROM *UnListed* Nodes
--------------------------------
All Mail either FROM or TO an UnListed FidoNet address is simply
*DELETED*. Since we cannot return it, nor route any replies to
it, they are considered garbage in accordance with Policy-4.
Point systems are considered "UnListed" if their BossNode is
UnListed. The gateway's Nodelist is compiled at NOON on Fridays.
If it arrives late, it will be sometime in the middle of the week
before it a manual re-compile gets triggered. Any newly listed
node should wait at least a week after being listed in the Nodelist
before attempting to send E-Mail thru the gateway.
This also applies to any NetMail for the 'postmaster'; it will
simply NOT be seen if you are not in the Nodelist.
Frequently Asked Questions
==========================
Q: I sent a message to 'listserv@somewhere' and the gateway bounced
it. Why?
A: In order to curtail traffic, it is necessary to inhibit folks from
getting themselves on mailing-lists when their traffic is routed.
We can only *globally* BLOCK mail from going to such addresses,
and cannot do it selectively.
The blocking mechanism is currently set to catch any mail where
the destination address contains any of the strings 'listserv',
'majordomo', 'ftpmail', or 'bitftp'.
This also makes it difficult for folks to get an UNSUBSCRIBE
message thru the gateway to terminate receipt of mailing-lists.
If you need to get an UNSUBSCRIBE message thru, put ALL of the
necessary information (destination address & body) in a message,
but send it to POSTMASTER at 1:1/31.
Q: I sent a message to 'user.name@f###.n###.z#.fidonet.org' and it
was bounced. This is a valid Internet address. Why was it bounced?
A: The gateways were NOT designed to be an alternate route for FidoNet
to FidoNet traffic. That address is a FidoNet destination.
It is against our charter with the InterNIC to route such traffic
thru the Internet.
Such traffic should be sent via FidoNet NETMAIL.
Q: Someone sent me E-mail and it didn't arrive. He didn't get a
'bounce' either.
A: One of several things could be happening.
1) The MX-record points your traffic to come in thru a different
gateway other than 1:1/31. Traffic comes IN according to the DNS
tables, NOT necessarily back in via the same gateway that you might
have sent a message out.
The complete Domain-Name-Server table is File-Requestable from
1:1/31 by REQuesting magic-name 'DNS'. Inside, there are comments
explaining how to read it. You need to see if there is an entry
for your Net pointing to another gateway's MX-receiver.
The MX-receiver for 1:1/31 is noted as 'ns1.fidonet.org'.
2) It is also possible that the message is circling around thru
the LPM links of the FidoNet backbone somewhere. Any mail which is
routed is routed via 1:270/101 (ProtoStar). Contact your NC, RC, or
REC to track down a possibly broken LPM link to your Node.
It also appears that some members of the *EC structure are
intentionally HOLDing, re-routing, or even TRASHING Mail coming
from 1:1/31.
3) Your mail could be on HOLD and you failed to PICKUP your mail
before it was automatically deleted.
Some systems do not properly identify themselves and therefore
cannot pickup their mail.
Some systems tend to Poll *without* having "Pickup Mail" active
for that event. In such cases, you are making the call, but will
NOT pick up any waiting mail.
Point systems CANNOT pickup their own mail; mail is routed or HELD
for the BossNode.
Q: I know that GIGO can assign a unique name to a system instead of
the '@f###.n###.z1.fidonet.org' address. I'd like my system to
have a shorter address. Can you do this for me?
A: Sorry, folks. Our configuration is rather unique because of the
method we use to transfer the mail between the PC and the UNIX-server.
Besides, we'd go kinda nuts maintaining the configuration for the
number of Nodes we serve. The more we shove into the configuration,
the longer the gating takes and there's also a memory limitation
that the software has to deal with too.
Q: I got onto a mailing-list and I don't know how to UNsubscribe.
How do I UNsubscribe from the mailing-list?
A: Mailing-lists vary in how they are handled. Some have an automated
procedure for subscribing and unsubscribing. Usually the initial
verification when you were subscribed contained the instructions
for unsubscribing from the mailing-list. If you do NOT have these
instructions, there is usually an address which will get to a
"human" owner who can help you.
In general, the mailing-list will be named in the FORMAT of
'listname@somewhere' or 'listname-l@somewhere'. The "owner"
address will usually be either 'listname-request@somewhere' or
'owner-listname@somewhere' or 'listname-owner@somewhere'.
You can also look for an "Errors-To:" header in one of the messages
from the list. 1:1/31 will have this line hidden behind a ^A line
near the top of the text. If it has an "Errors-To:" line, this
is *usually* the address that will reach the "owner" of the list
who can help you.
Q: I'd like to get a feed of Newsgroups (USENET) from 1:1/31.
Can I do that?
A: Sorry. We only feed Newsgroups to a selected group of routing
systems for the LOCAL New Jersey nets. We cannot offer links
to just anyone who wants them.
* * * EOF * * *
--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
* Origin: Internet Gateway (1:1/31.0)
email.1824postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:53 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: List of Approved Internet
[Automated Posting]
$File: gateways.lst
$Revision Date: July 6, 1994
FidoNet <-> UUCP Approved Sites
(Authorized to use GUUCP flag in Fidonet Nodelist)
via Anonymous-FTP:
URL = ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/info/gateways.lst
via Gopher:
URL = gopher://gopher.fidonet.org/fidonet/info/gateways.lst
Corrections to:
via Fidonet: 'gatemaster' at 1:1/31
via Internet: hostmaster@fidonet.fidonet.org
Following is a list of Gateways which have Passed the tests required
for gating mail in the FidoNet to Internet direction.
This does *NOT* necessarily mean that the return traffic will be routed
back thru these sites (that is governed by other things). Sites shown
with an asterisk (*) do NOT handle mail in the Internet -> FidoNet
direction.
All of these systems have passed the tests conducted by
the Hostmaster and genuinely are allowed to carry the GUUCP flag and
do allow gating of mail from ANY Node.
To use any other site other than those in this list, you should
check with the SysOp at the gateway node *before* attempting to send any
traffic to them for gating.
Note that this list includes ONLY those sites registered in the .fidonet.org
Domain. There are other sites which operate gateways which are NOT handled
by the .fidonet.org Domain-Name-Server. Those sites operate TOTALLY on
their own and are NOT sanctioned by the Hostmaster. If you have a problem
with such a site, please communicate DIRECTly with the SysOp of that site,
I do not want to hear of problems with sites which are not registered
in the DNS.
I do NOT want to hear about "additions or corrections" from THIRD parties,
only from the Gateway operators themselves.
Requirements for flying the GUUCP Flag
--------------------------------------
In order to be authorized to use the GUUCP flag in the FidoNet NODELIST,
a gateway site *must* pass ALL mail in the FidoNet -> Internet direction
thru the gateway *regardless* of origination (sites are allowed to use
whatever utilities at their disposal to block messages from Non-FidoNet
Zones if they desire) *AND* must be registered with the Hostmaster and
operate in the .fidonet.org domain. Sites may NOT display the GUUCP flag
if the traffic passing thru their gateway passes onto the Internet as part
of any other domain.
Burt Juda
Hostmaster, .fidonet.org
Sitename Node Location
======== ==== ========
nisc 1:1/31 Piscataway, NJ
afitamy 1:110/300
americon 1:373/26
baobab 1:109/151 Washington, DC
bdragon 1:333/401
beacon.dev.com 1:105/30
camphq 1:2606/533
cbr 3:620/262 Canberra ACT Aust.
csource 3:632/348 Doveton, VIC, Aust.
dawggon 1:105/6 Portland, OR
dehnbase 1:204/9
edgfrvr 1:300/8
fidour 4:850/0
gisatl * 1:133/411 Atlanta, GA
jadpc2 1:202/723
kisbbs * 1:3624/6
mcws 1:102/851 Los Angeles, CA
mdf * 1:382/39 Austin, TX
mechanic 1:3603/330
ocitor * 1:124/2206
paranet 1:104/422
puddle 1:105/42 Portland, OR
rccons 1:129/220
rochgte 1:2613/333 Rochester, NY
spuzz * 1:2606/534
therose 1:105/7 Portland, OR
tvk 1:249/128
urchin 1:106/88 Houston, YX
vkom 1:101/316
webfido 1:250/406
wsyd 1:325/2
zorro9 1:16/390
--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
* Origin: Internet Gateway (1:1/31.0)
email.1825postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:55 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: How to send Mail to Inter
[Automated Posting]
[NOTE: Posting messages in this conference will NOT get it thru the gateway!]
How to Use the FidoNet/Internet Gateways
========================================
I. Sending from FidoNet => Internet
To send mail FROM a FidoNet Node TO someone on an Internet or UUCP site.
What you must know:
1) The site name of the Internet node the user is on.
2) The login name or mail alias (the mailbox name) that the
user you want to send to uses there.
3) The FidoNet address of the UUCP Gateway.
A list of gateways which have been tested and approved by
the Hostmaster is available by File-Requesting magic-name
'GATEWAYS' from 1:1/31.
(If you don't know the address of the nearest gateway, use 1:1/31)
You should get the first two pieces of information from the person
that you want to send mail to.
With these bits of information do the following steps:
1) Go to the Net-Mail area of the FidoNet node.
2) Enter a message addressed to the UserName "Uucp" at the address
of the gateway node. Do *NOT* address it to "SysOp" or to
"postmaster" to get it thru the gateway!
NOTE: The most common error is that the UserName in the
FidoNet Header is NOT "Uucp". Some software will add trailing
spaces to the UserName. The gateway software will not tolerate
this anomaly.
3) The very FIRST line must contain the Internet address in
the format:
To: username@machine.domain
followed by a BLANK line.
(The "To:" is MANDATORY and must begin in column 1 of the body.)
There must be nothing else on that line! Do NOT include the
(Full Name) which the message coming FROM the Internet may
contain.
Do NOT use bang!path type addresses on messages going thru
1:1/31 as they will probably NOT be interpreted properly.
The "smart-host" which 1:1/31 relies on knows how to handle
BITNET addresses if given in the form 'user@machine.BITNET'.
Do NOT enclose the address in "quotes", and do NOT enclose
it in <angled brackets>. Those are special notations
which only the Internet side of the gateways understand.
You *cannot* send from a FidoNet address to another FidoNet
address via the Internet gateway. The gateway *will* BOUNCE
any messages where the destination ends in '.z#.fidonet.org'.
Any E-mail destined for addresses which contain the strings
'listserv', 'ftpmail', 'bitftp', or 'majordomo' are automatically
*BLOCKED* from going thru the gateway and will be returned to
the sender. Although these may be valid Internet addresses,
sending to such processors are *severly* frowned upon.
NOTES:
-----
The gateway at 1:1/31 can also handle the message properly
if you put the Internet address in the User_Name field of
of the FidoNet header (addressed to 1:1/31).
There is no need to use the usual UFGATE style addressing.
The gateway software we run will take care of all those
logistics for you.
Mail coming from the Internet via 1:1/31 will most likely already
have the 'user@machine.domain' address in the FidoNet Header.
In most cases, you need only use your normal 'reply' mechanism,
sending the message back to the same UserName at 1:1/31.
Some software will strip everything after the '@' sign, leaving
an un-replyable message. In that case, you'll need to re-address
your reply to 'Uucp' and copy the address from the "From:" line
into the "To: user@machine.domain" line at the TOP of your reply.
The gateway software will contain the correct return-address
in your message. There is NO need to specify your
return-address in the body of your message.
Your message will be from 'User.Name@fNODE.nNET.zZONE.fidonet.org'.
4) Enter the rest of your message as you normally would. When
you're finished, save it and it will be sent to your friend
automagically.
5) Any other problems, please consult your local SysOp or send
mail to the Postmaster of the Gateway node. (In the case of
1:1/31, please send to "postmaster".)
6) This document describes how your message must appear upon
ARRIVAL at the gateway. If you are using an off-line reader,
please consult your SYSOP, not the 'postmaster'.
----------------------------------------------------
II. Sending from Internet => FidoNet
To send mail from an Internet Site TO a user that calls a Fido-Net system.:
What you must know:
1) The node number of the Fido-Net system that your friend calls.
2) The *exact* UserName s/he logs in with.
With these bits of information do the following (assuming that you are
sending a NEW message and NOT just replying to a message you received).
The address of a FidoNet Node looks like this: 1:107/309.0. Usually
the 1: and .0 are left off, but they are there by default.
(In Europe it is 2: and in the Pacific Basin it is 3:)
That address can be translated as "Zone 1, Net 107, FidoNode 309,
Point 0." or f309.n107.z1.fidonet.org - the "Fully Qualified
Domain Name" of a FidoNode.
Another example is 1:107/309.2 which would be written as
p2.f309.n107.z1.fidonet.org (since there is a point number other than 0,
we have to specify it). Note also that we are only using zone 1.
This will also work for zones 2 and 3, just use z2 or z3 as appropriate.
Note that FidoNet systems usually use a "Firstname Lastname" logon.
You will need to express that as First.Last, using a DOT in place of
the SPACE.
Addresses can be interpreted as:
First.Last@[p###.]f###.n###.z#.fidonet.org where:
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
| | | | | | `------`--- domain
| | | | | `---- Zone number (IMPORTANT)
| | | | `-------- Net number
| | | `------------- Node number
| | `------------------- Point number (optional)
| `------------------ User's LAST Name
`------------------------ User's FIRST Name
The Point number need only be used if non-zero.
The Domain Name Server (DNS) on the Internet for the .fidonet.org
domain will tell your server the IP-address of the MX-receiver
for the gateway node that is handling traffic for that particular
"Net" within FidoNet. (For those Nets that do NOT have a gateway with
an MX-receiver, traffic will be routed to the MX-receiver for
1:1/31. The message is gated and routed via the FidoNet backbone
for routing to the local Net.)
Burt Juda
hostmaster@fidonet.fidonet.org
----- eof -----
--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
* Origin: Internet Gateway (1:1/31.0)
email.1826postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:57 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: How the 1:1/31 Gateway Op
[Automated Posting]
[NOTE: Posting messages in this conference will NOT get it thru the gateway!]
Internet Mail Handling on 1:1/31
================================
1:1/31 does NOT interact with its smart-host/server via 'uucico',
but by MOVING the queued files between the PC and the server using
a product from Sun Microsystems known as PC-NFS. Since the PC has an
Ethernet card and is located on the same Ethernet as the UNIX server
we are able to "mount" directories from the servers as drives on the
PC. Because of this feature, we are able to handle the enormous
amounts of E-mail which are being handled by this system at speeds
clocked at 8-Mb per second. However, we have to operate using
very NON-STANDARD methods and have heavily modified our batch files
and scripts to accomodate this.
OUTGOING Mail (to the Internet):
-------------------------------
Messages must be addressed to 1:1/31 and either have the UserName
"Uucp" in the FidoNet-Header with the Internet destination in a
"To: address" line as the very FIRST line of the message;
-or-
have the Internet destination as the UserName field, complete
with the '@' sign.
(For more specific details, F'req magic-name UUCPHELP from 1:1/31)
Mail is processed using GIGO. The resulting queued files are
*moved* to the smart-host/server via PC-NFS where they are fed
to the mail handler by a script.
INCOMING Mail (from the Internet):
---------------------------------
The mail which is queued on the smart-host/server is prepared
by a script which renames the files to the MS-DOS filenames
as if they were received by Waffle's 'uucico'. It is then *moved*
to the PC side of the gateway over a "mounted" link to the
server's directories. The mail is then gated by GIGO.
Much of the incoming Mail is ROUTED thru the FidoNet Backbone
via 1:270/101. The mail for some systems are put directly on HOLD
at 1:1/31 either at the request of the recipient SysOp, or one of
the backbone routers or at the discretion of the gateway-operator.
In the latter case, NetMail is sent by the gateway operator to
the SysOp informing him/her that they must POLL 1:1/31 to pick up
their Internet mail.
Mail TO or FROM *UnListed* Nodes
--------------------------------
All Mail either FROM or TO an UnListed FidoNet address is simply
*DELETED*. Since we cannot return it, nor route any replies to
it, they are considered garbage in accordance with Policy-4.
Point systems are considered "UnListed" if their BossNode is
UnListed. The gateway's Nodelist is compiled at NOON on Fridays.
If it arrives late, it will be sometime in the middle of the week
before it a manual re-compile gets triggered. Any newly listed
node should wait at least a week after being listed in the Nodelist
before attempting to send E-Mail thru the gateway.
This also applies to any NetMail for the 'postmaster'; it will
simply NOT be seen if you are not in the Nodelist.
Burt Juda
postmaster
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--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
* Origin: Internet Gateway (1:1/31.0)
email.1827postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:25:59 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: Application to become an
[Automated Posting]
#####################################################################
# Application for Registration of gateway site within .fidonet.org #
#####################################################################
#
# Instructions: (Please read *CARFULLY*)
# ------------
#
# Use the following template to create a message to
# mapmaster@fidonet.fidonet.org
#
# Your message *MUST* be sent via the Internet through YOUR OWN gateway.
# Do *NOT* send it via FidoNet mail thru my gateway at 1:1/31 nor via
# FidoNet mail to my Home system! It will be *IGNORED* if you do so!
# Just as it is a *requirement* for obtaining a Node number in FidoNet
# to send your request generated from your own system, so it is with
# requesting gateway status. I *must* be able to acertain that your
# system and the routing via your smart-host is operating correctly.
# The headers of your message, when it arrives, contains many clues
# as to whether your link will be able to perform the function of
# being the MX-receiver for your system (many are willing, but are
# unable to handle it technically).
#
# The information given will be used for the Domain-Name-Server,
# UUCP Map for your site, and various other lists used in maintaining
# the domain.
#
# Do NOT alter the SPACING or CASE of the keywords to the left of the
# colons. The colons are important and your date should begin in the
# very NEXT column to the right of the colon. The keywords MUST be
# flush LEFT in your message. Do not indent or QUOTE them!
# This information will be parsed by a SCRIPT which will initialize
# or update data files which will be used to maintain the domain.
# Do NOT insert any remarks ABOVE the template, you may do so BELOW it.
#
# If the FQDN of your gateway site is NOT going to be within the
# .fidonet.org domain, do *NOT* bother to send me the information!
# I do NOT handle registration of sites which are NOT in my domain,
# and, (except in *very* special cases) will NOT point an MX-record
# for a Net toward a gateway which is not also part of the .fidonet.org
# domain.
#
# I also MUST receive confirmation via E-Mail to
# 'gatemaster@fidonet.fidonet.org' from the Postmaster of your
# MX-receiver confirming that they are willing to be the MX-receiver
# for your system and the Nets which you desire routed to you.
# I will NOT enter any MX-records into the Domain-Name-Server which
# the MX-receivers are not ready for!
#
#
#---- REMOVE ALL TEXT ABOVE (and including) THIS LINE BEFORE SENDING ----#
BEGIN-FIDOGATE-TEMPLATE:
UucpName of Proposed Site :
FQDN of Proposed Site :
(Your Fully-Qualified-Domain-Name)
SysOp Name :
FidoNet Node Number :
(in z:x/y format)
FidoNet Address of SysOp :
(if different from Gateway)
Zone :
Net :
Node :
Region :
Postal Address :
Location [City, State] :
MX-FQDN [of MX-receiver] :
(This must be the Fully-Qualified-Domain-Name
of your MX-receiver)
MX-IP-address [of MX-receiver] :
(This must be the "dotted-quad"
IP-address. If the SysAdmin of
your MX-receiver doesn't know it,
then he is NOT capable of acting
as an MX-receiver.)
MX-UucpName [of MX-receiver] :
(The "short" name of his machine
which yours refers to him as during
uucico sessions.)
MX-Contact [at MX-receiver] :
(The NAME of the person you deal
with at your MX-receiver's site)
MX-Email address of Contact :
(I have to be able to send e-mail to them)
MX2-FQDN [of 2nd MX-receiver] :
(same as for the primary)
MX2-IP-address [of 2nd MX-receiver] :
(same as for the primary)
Nets-to-be-Gated [SPACE separated] :
(Just give me the Net numbers.
My script will reformat them correctly
into the format needed for the MX-records.)
Machine-OS :
(The operating system you run.
ie: MS-DOS, AmigaDOS, UNIX, HPUX)
BBS-Name :
Telephone [Voice] [+1 aaa xxx nnnn] :
(We must have a Voice number to contact
you in emergencies.)
LAT-LONG [Latitude/Longitude] :
(This is used for the UUCPmap)
NewsFeeds [SPACE separated list] :
(This is used for the UUCPmap)
Gateway Software :
(Name of software used for gating)
END-FIDOGATE-TEMPLATE:
(You may include your UUCP Map within the space below)
BEGIN-UUCPMAP:
END-UUCPMAP:
(You may add any human-readable comments in the space below)
BEGIN-Comments:
Comments:
END-Comments:
#
############################## EOF #################################
--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
* Origin: Internet Gateway (1:1/31.0)
email.1828postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:26:01 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Internet Guide Books
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Connecting To The Internet; Susan Estrada; O'Reilly & Associates; ISBN
1-56592-061-9 (A how-to on selecting the right IP provider, from dialup
to dedicated.)
A DOS User's Guide to the Internet -- E-mail, Netnews and File Transfer
with UUCP; James Gardner; MKS; ISBN 0-13-106873-3 ("Internet" in the
title is misleading -- covers UUCP connections only.)
The Electronic Traveller -- Exploring Alternative Online Systems;
Elizabeth Powell Crowe; Windcrest/McGraw-Hill; ISBN 0-8306-4498-9. (A
good tour of various personal IP and other types of providers, but some
data is seriously out of date.)
Internet Basics; Steve Lambert, Walt How; Random House; ISBN
0-679-75023-1
The Internet Companion; Tracy LaQuey, Jeanne C. Ryer; Addison-Wesley;
ISBN 0-201-62224-6
The Internet Companion Plus; Tracy LaQuey, Jeanne C. Ryer;
Addison-Wesley; ISBN 0-201-62719-1
The Internet Complete Reference; Harley Hahn, Rick Stout; Osborne;
ISBN 0-07-881980-6
The Internet Directory; Eric Brawn; Fawcett Columbine; ISBN
0-449-90898-4 (Phone book style listing of resources.)
The Internet for Dummies; John R. Levine, Carol Baroudi; IDG Books
Worldwide; ISBN 1-56884-024-1 (Lots of useful information, but much
of it is intermediate level, not "dummy".)
Internet: Getting Started; April Marine, Susan Kirkpatrick, Vivian
Neou, Carol Ward; PTR Prentice Hall; ISBN 0-13-289596-X
The Internet Guide for New Users; Daniel P. Dern; McGraw-Hill; ISBN
0-07-016511-4 (Good, very thorough guide for new users.)
The Internet Navigator; Paul Glister; John Wiley & Sons; ISBN
0-471-59782-1 (Good, comprehensive guide for new users.)
The Internet Roadmap; Bennet Falk; Sybex; ISBN 0-7821-1365-6
The Mac Internet Tour Guide; Michael Fraase; Ventana Press; ISBN
1-56604-062-0
Navigating the Internet; Richard J. Smith, Mark Gibbs; SAMS
Publishing; ISBN 0-672-30362-0
Welcome to... Internet -- From Mystery to Mastery; Tom Badgett, Corey
Sandler; MIS:Press; ISBN 1-55828-308-0
The Whole Internet User's Guide & Catalog; Ed Krol; O'Reilly & Associates;
ISBN 1-56592-025-2 (Good all around guide.)
Zen & the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide; Brendan P. Kehoe;
PTR Prentice Hall; ISBN 0-13-010778-6
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email.1829postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:26:03 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
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How to Access Internet Services by E-mail
FTP By E-Mail
Archie By E-Mail
Gopher By E-Mail
Veronica By E-Mail
WAIS Searches By E-Mail
Usenet By E-Mail
FINGER by e-mail
If you can send a note to an Internet address, you're in the game! This
is great news for users of online services where there is partial or no
direct Internet access. As of late 1994, there were 150 countries with
only e-mail connections to the Internet. This is double the number of
countries with direct (IP) connections.
Finding the Latest Version
--------------------------
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To get the latest edition, send e-mail to one of the addresses below.
To: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (for US/Canada/etc.)
Leave Subject blank, and enter only this line in the body of the note:
GET INTERNET BY-EMAIL NETTRAIN F=MAIL
To: mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu (for Eastern US)
Leave Subject blank, and enter only this line in the body of the note:
send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email
To: listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (for US/Canada/etc.)
Leave Subject blank, and enter only this line in the body of the note:
GET INTERNET BY-EMAIL NETTRAIN F=MAIL
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Leave Subject blank, and enter only this line in the body of the note:
send lis-iis e-access-inet.txt
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email.1830postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:26:05 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
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Subj: An Explanation of MX-rece
[Automated Posting]
An Explanation of MX-Receivers and Their Role in Handling Fido Mail
===================================================================
Machines which are physically connected to the Internet each have a
unique Internet Protocol address (often called an "IP address"),
4 decimal numbers between 0 and 254 separated by dots (ie: my workstation,
zeus.ieee.org is 140.98.2.1). These numbers are used in the headers of
the encapsulated packets (all data is broken up into chunks and eack has
a header showing origination and destination) transmitted over the Internet.
The "Domain Name Service" is a distributed system of having the data at
different locations and is effectively a "database" of mappings between
the "names" that machines are known as and their "IP addresses".
In order to communicate with a system one's machine must get the
IP-address of the machine it wants to talk to from the DNS first.
These are stored in the DNS in what are known as "A" records.
Machines which have IP-addresses exchange "mail" using a protocol
called SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), communicating on port 25
of the set of IP sockets.
However, there are many machines which have "names" but are NOT connected
physically to the Internet, those doing UUCP and other reasons. In order
to get mail to such a system, the DNS contains an "MX" record.
The "MX" record, instead of giving a dotted-quad IP-address, holds the
"name" of the system which *does* have an IP-address and knows how to get
mail to the real destination system. An "MX" record *must* point to
the *real name* of the machine which is accepting mail for the destination
system. A machine may have several names, but the "MX" records *must*
point to it's TRUE name (that which is returned by the `hostname` command
on a UNIX system). The machine which is pointed to by the "MX" record
is known as the "MX-receiver" for the destination system.
The reason that the "MX" record *must* point to the TRUE name of the
MX-receiver is that *it* will in turn query the DNS and will compare
its `hostname` with any MX-records found. The MX-records also have a
number which is a "Precedence" number. They are tried in order, but
always skipping any MX-records which point to itself. If the MX-record
with the *lowest* precedence number points to itself, then it *must*
have the proper rules in its mailer configuration to deliver the mail
via means OTHER than SMTP, otherwise an error will result.
This means that an "MX-receiver" system *must* install the proper handling
in its configuration for the destination system *BEFORE* the "MX" record
is installed in the DNS. Otherwise, errors can result, mail loops
develop, and the mail cannot be delivered.
Here's a couple of examples of the DNS records from .fidonet.org ...
These are a *PARTIAL LISTING* as EXAMPLES only.
The information shown here is *NOT* current. For up-to-date DNS
information for the .fidonet.org domain, obtain the file FIDONET.DNS
either via Anonymous-FTP from ftp.fidonet.org in the /pub/fidonet/info
directory or via File-Request from 1:1/31.
; ====================== begin example DNS ======================
; Nameserver info for FIDONET.ORG domain
; the original of this file resides in:
; zeus.ieee.org:/usr/local/ns/fidonet.org
;
$ORIGIN fidonet.org.
@ IN SOA ZEUS.IEEE.ORG. HOSTMASTER.FIDONET.FIDONET.ORG. (
10303 ; serial (version of this file)
86400 ; refresh once a day
600 ; retry refresh every 10 minutes
36000000; expire after 1000 hours (over week)
86400 ; 259200 ; minimun TTL of 3 day
)
IN NS ZEUS.IEEE.ORG.
IN NS POLARIS.LLNL.GOV.
;
; Special Entries and Services
; ----------------------------
;
ns IN CNAME zeus.ieee.org.
fidonet IN CNAME zeus.ieee.org.
; an example where an "A" record exists but Mail is handled
; by a different machine
ftp IN A 140.98.1.1
IN MX 10 zeus.ieee.org.
IN MX 20 rab.ieee.org.
;
; The gateway sites themselves
; ----------------------------
;
; if m2xenix is down, rain will queue mail for storage
busker IN MX 10 m2xenix.psg.com. ; 1:105/14
IN MX 20 rain.psg.com.
cmhgate IN MX 10 cis.OHIO-STATE.EDU. ; 1:226/20
compsol IN MX 10 sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au. ; 3:622/407
ehsnet IN MX 10 uxc.cso.uiuc.edu. ; 1:233/13
f-454 IN MX 10 uucp-gw.cc.uh.edu. ; 1:106/1024
; mail for 'fidonews' is queued thru 1:1/31 for delivery to 1:1/23
; special handling is need in the mailer config on zeus
fidonews IN MX 10 zeus.ieee.org. ; re-directed to 1:1/23
; these sites are handled specially by zeus which remaps the
; mail to a bang!path format and sends it back out via SMTP
; these will be phased out over time
fquest IN MX 10 zeus.ieee.org. ; 1:19/23
gisatl IN MX 10 zeus.ieee.org. ; 1:133/411
gstore IN MX 10 zeus.ieee.org. ; 1:103/234
; my home needs an Address record for SLIP to function when I use it
; mail is specially handled by re-naming to mcastl.ieee.org and
; sending thru my gateway at 1:107/10
mcastl IN A 140.98.200.3
IN MX 10 ZEUS.IEEE.ORG. ; 1:107/309
IN MX 20 RAB.IEEE.ORG.
IN MX 30 TAB.IEEE.ORG.
mcws IN MX 10 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov. ; 1:102/851
mechanic IN MX 10 myrddin.sybus.com. ; 1:3603/330
ofa123 IN MX 10 ics.uci.edu. ; 1:103/208
rochgte IN MX 10 valhalla.ee.rochester.edu. ;1:3613/333
; David Dodell's Waffle system is actually in between
; enuucp and solitud
solitud IN MX 10 enuucp.eas.asu.edu. ;1:300/23
; Nameserver "authority" is delegated to ns.web.apc.org for the
; sub-domain of "webfido"
webfido IN NS ns.web.apc.org. ; 1:250/406
IN NS ns.uunet.ca.
IN NS ns.UU.NET.
zorro9 IN MX 10 talcott.harvard.edu. ;1:16/390
;
;
; Each Net within FidoNet has a wildcard MX-record.
; The IP site which the mail is directed to is expected to have
; installed the sendmail or smail rules necessary to queue
; ALL mail for *.nNET.z#.fidonet.org for pickup by the
; appropriate gateway site.
;
; A wildcard MX-record is maintained for each Zone, so that
; there is always a "default" gateway for any new Nets which
; are placed in the Nodelist by the *C's.
; At present, the Zone-1 "default" MX points to zeus.ieee.org,
; which queues mail for gating by 1:1/31.
;
; Where possible, the gateway sitename is shown as a Comment
; behind a semi-colon after the MX-record.
;
;
$ORIGIN z1.fidonet.org.
;
; Zone 1 by Net (examples)
; =============
;
*.n260 IN MX 10 valhalla.ee.rochester.edu. ; rochgte
*.n261 IN MX 10 relay1.UU.NET. ; blkcat
IN MX 10 relay2.UU.NET. ; blkcat
;
*.n104 IN MX 10 ncar.ucar.edu.
*.n300 IN MX 10 noao.edu.
*.n310 IN MX 10 ncar.ucar.edu.
*.n312 IN MX 10 enuucp.eas.asu.edu.
;
*.n16 IN MX 10 talcott.harvard.edu. ; zorro9
*.n101 IN MX 10 talcott.harvard.edu. ; zorro9
*.n141 IN MX 10 bunker.shel.isc-br.com.
*.n322 IN MX 10 talcott.harvard.edu. ; zorro9
*.n333 IN MX 10 talcott.harvard.edu. ; zorro9
*.n325 IN MX 10 sadye.emba.uvm.edu. ; wsyd
;
*.n18 IN MX 10 cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ; branch
*.n112 IN MX 10 cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ; branch
*.n116 IN MX 10 cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ; branch
*.n123 IN MX 10 cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ; branch
*.n3603 IN MX 10 myrddin.sybus.com. ; mechanic
*.n3604 IN MX 10 cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ; branch
*.n3605 IN MX 10 cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ; branch
;
; default Zone-1 forwarding
; -------------------------
;
; Wildcard record for *.z1.fidonet.org - handled via 1:1/31
; All Nets in Zone-1 which do not have its own MX-record
; will fall thru to here
;
* IN MX 10 zeus.ieee.org.
IN MX 20 rab.ieee.org.
;
; (For Zone-2, Randy gates traffic and sends across the pond to
; Henk Wevers for routing. There seem to be problems in FidoNet
; routing on the European side of the pond from there.)
;
$ORIGIN z2.fidonet.org.
* IN MX 10 m2xenix.psg.com.
IN MX 20 rain.psg.com.
;
$ORIGIN z3.fidonet.org.
*.n620 IN MX 10 sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au. ; compsol
*.n622 IN MX 10 sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au. ; compsol
* IN MX 10 jabaru.cec.edu.au.
;
;
; (Note: the Full DNS file is always available via File-Request from
; 1:1/31 or ; 1:107/309 as the filename FIDONET.ORG)
;
; ========================== end of example DNS ========================
This is extremely important for the .fidonet.org domain to function
properly, since the "Hostmaster" (me), maintaining the MX-records for
the domain is very dependent on all the MX-receivers having the proper
configurations. Many times, a site will hook up with someone who is
willing to pass mail/news to them via UUCP, but is NOT physically
connected to the Internet (does NOT have an IP-address and running
an SMTP mailer). Now what? This machine may also be a hop or two away
from the nearest "IP" node in the Path. Now we're dependent on *ALL* of
the systems in that path to have the proper configurations for handling
mail for the new site. Mostly, these systems depend on the "UUCP Maps"
for their path configurations. Now we have a Catch-22 situation.
I cannot submit the Map until the site is "tested" and the MX-record
installed in the DNS. Even once I do, it can take weeks or months
before the Map appears in the Newsgroup comp.mail.maps (fully Moderated
and usually comes thru monthly). In the meantime, the configurations
on all the systems in the dependent path are "broken" waiting on that
all-important Map for the new site. Mail goes into a real "loop".
To add insult to the whole process, the system names contained in a
UUCP Map (which most new sites will construct and send me) do NOT contain
the "Fully Qualified Domain Name" (the dotted name) of the systems
they connect to. Now it becomes a matter of guesswork to see if any of
the site(s) they connect to have an IP-address and can qualify as
an MX-receiver.
For the reasons outlined in the last two paragraphs, it is essential
for a new site to hook up with a system that has an IP-address and can
act as their MX-receiver. It's much easier if the proper Map procedures
were followed and their UUCP Map submission contained the proper
"#F mx.receiver.domain" line in their Maps, giving me the
Fully-Qualified-Domain-Name of their MX-receiver.
It's bad enough that I have to hand-edit each and every Map submitted,
because our wonderful FidoNet editors expand TABS to spaces and the
submission I send to the UUCP Map Coordinators *must* contain the proper
TAB separators, not spaces!
Burt Juda
Hostmaster, .fidonet.org
--- Harvey's Robot v6.00
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email.1831postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:46:30 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: (1/5) Weekly INTERNET FAQ
--------------------------------
THE INTERNET ECHO FAQ
[FIDOINET.FAQ]
_[Last Updated Fri Mar 17 1995]_
_________________________________________________________________
DISCLAIMER
Information provided does not necessarily reflect my employer, authors
of referenced materials, or any commercial services mentioned.
Opinions given are strictly my own and should be treated as such,
unless mentioned otherwise.
_________________________________________________________________
_TABLE OF CONTENTS_
1. How do I send mail from Fidonet to Internet?
2. How do I send mail from Internet to Fidonet?
3. Do any online services have Internet mail addresses? What about
other network gateways?
4. What does a file with _.ext_ extension mean?
5. How can I become an Internet site?
6. Where can I get direct access to Internet, if I'm not at a
University or a business that has an Internet connect?
7. Who is this Archie person?
8. Gopher? They let wild animals on the Internet?
9. Veronica is Archie's girlfriend, right?
10. How does an Internet e-mail address "work"?
11. Can I post on a Usenet newsgroup even if I don't have direct
Usenet news access?
12. I'm currently running a UUCP site, but it isn't registered in a
domain. How do I register for mapping purposes?
13. What is the World Wide Web? What are Mosaic. Lynx, and Netscape?
14. How do I find e-mail addresses?
15. What is fsp?
16. What is LINUX?
_________________________________________________________________
_QUESTIONS & ANSWERS_
_________________________________________________________________
1. How do I send mail from Fidonet to Internet?
1. Locate the gateway site nearest you. [Talk to your sysop. If
you are the sysop, contact your NC. Sites designated for
gatewaying have a GUUCP flag in the respective nodelist
entry.]. If there isn't one near you, use 1:1/31.0.
2. Send the mail formatted in this fashion:
TO: UUCP
-------Body of message below------------------------
To: [userid]@[sitename]
----- end of message -------------------------------
1. You _MUST_ use _Netmail_ to do this. Posting this in the
INTERNET echo does NOT work. If you need help on how to
send Netmail, contact your sysop, as every system is
different.
2. You might want to contact your sysop anyway, as some
boards have direct Internet connections. Using Netmail
for a system that has a connection will be several times
slower.
_____________________________________________________________
2. How do I send Internet mail to Fidonet?
Send the mail to
[first].[last]@p[point].f[node].n[net].z[zone].fidonet.org
1. Some gateway sites use [first]_[last] as the user id.
2. The "p[point]." is _OPTIONAL_ if the point number is 0.
For example, Allen Wittenauer 1:11/159.0 transmutes to
Allen.Wittenauer@f159.n11.z1.fidonet.org (notice lack of the
p[point].!)
_____________________________________________________________
3. Do any online services have Internet mail addresses? What about
other network gateways?
Here's a quick list:
+ America Online : [userid]@aol.com
+ Applelink : [userid]@applelink.apple.com
+ AT&T Mail : [userid]@attmail.att.com
+ BIX : [userid]@dcibix.das.net
+ BITNET : [userid]%[site].bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu (2)
+ CompuServe : #####.####@compuserve.com (1)
+ Delphi : [userid]@delphi.com
+ GEnie : [userid]@genie.geis.com
+ MCI Mail : #######@mcimail.com
+ Prodigy : [userid]@prodigy.com (1)
+ WWIVnet : [usernum]-[nodenum]@wwiv.fred.com
(For a more complete list, see Yanoff's Inter-mail guide)
Notes:
1. These services cost extra for the users of these respective
companies.
2. MOST Internet sites with smart mailers can do BITNET routing.
--- DLG Pro v1.7/PDQMail v2.60
* Origin: FREQ the FAQ as FIDOINET from (1:300/311.0)
email.1832postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:46:33 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
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Subj: (2/5) Weekly INTERNET FAQ
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_____________________________________________________________
4. What does a file with _.ext_ extension mean?
File Extension Chart: General Info
Usual
Extension "Home" System Binary?
========= ============= ==========
.arc Yes
.arj MS-DOS Yes
.cpt Macintosh Yes
.gz UNIX Yes
.hqx Macintosh No
.lha/lzh Amiga Yes
.sh UNIX No (1)
.sit Macintosh Yes
.tar UNIX Yes (1)
.uue No
.Z UNIX Yes
.z UNIX Yes
.zoo Yes
Notes:
1. Usually
File Extension Chart: Compression/Creation
Extension MS-DOS Amiga Mac Unix VMS CMS Generic(5)
========= ====== ===== ==== ===== ====== ====== ========
.arc PKARC Arc ??? arc ??? ARCUTIL ???
.arj ARJ --- --- --- --- --- ---
.cpt --- --- (1) --- ??? --- ---
.lha/lzh LHArc Lha MacLha lha ??? ARCUTIL? LhArc
.gz GZIP GZIP ??? gzip ??? --- gzip
.hqx --- --- Binhex(4) --- --- --- ---
.sh ------------------------shar-- ??? ??? ???
.sit --- --- (2)(4) --- ??? --- ---
.tar tar GNU-Tar ??? tar tar? --- GNU-Tar
.uue ---------------------uuencode--------- ARCUTIL uuencode
.z(3) GZIP GZIP ??? gzip ??? --- gzip
.Z(3) ---compress-- MacCompress ---compress---- --- compress
.zip PKZIP InfoZIP ZIP infozip ZIP ??? InfoZip
.zoo Zoo Zoo ??? zoo Zoo --- Zoo
1. Compact Pro
2. StuffIt!
3. Due to some systems case-insensitivity, these extensions get
mixed around a lot!
4. There are SEVERAL versions that produce very different
versions/types of archives.
5. Generic category shows a general version that usually has
source available for porting, as necessary.
File Extension Chart: Expansion/Dearchiving
Extension MS-DOS Amiga Mac UNIX VMS CMS Generic(5)
========= ====== ===== ==== ===== ====== ====== ========
.arc PKXARC pkax Arc arc ??? ARCUTIL Arc
.arj ARJ UnARJ MacUnArj unarj ??? --- UnARJ
.cpt ??? MacTools (1) MacTools ??? --- MacTools
.gz GZIP GZIP ??? GZIP ??? --- GZIP
.hqx ??? MacTools Binhex MacTools ??? --- MacTools
.lha/lzh LHARC Lha MacLha lha ??? ARCUTIL? LhArc
.sh --- csh ??? shar ??? --- ---
.sit UNSIT MacTools (2) MacTools ??? --- MacTools
.tar tar GNU-Tar ??? tar tar? --- GNU-Tar
.uue(4) ---------------------uudecode--------- ARCUTIL uudecode
.z(3) GZIP GZIP ??? gzip ??? --- gzip
.Z(3)(4) -uncompress-- MacCompress --uncompress------ --- uncompress
.zoo Zoo Zoo ??? zoo Zoo --- Zoo
.zip PKUNZIP UNZIP UNZIP UNzip UNZIP ??? UNZip
1. Compact Pro
2. StuffIt! -- however, there are SEVERAL versions that produce
very different versions/types of archives.
3. Due to some systems case-insensitivity, these extensions get
mixed around a lot!
4. For most Unix and Amiga systems, these programs are just
renamed versions of their creation counterpart (ie, compress
is renamed to uncompress).
5. Generic category shows a general version that usually has
source available for porting, as necessary.
--- DLG Pro v1.7/PDQMail v2.60
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email.1833postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:46:34 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: (3/5) Weekly INTERNET FAQ
-------------------------------
_____________________________________________________________
5. How can I become an Internet site?
Depends on how 'full board' you want to go. Most 'public' systems
these days are using what is called UUCP or UNIX to UNIX Copy.
[Sidenote: cp is the copy command in UNIX]. This allows your
system to call up another UUCP system and transfer mail, Usenet
news, and a few other things like Dillon's UUCP's BMS protocol.
UUCP programs are wide in abundance. Since these programs are
constantly changing and growing, it is recommended that you
contact someone familar with your platform for available options.
The big trick with most of these programs is if you run a public
access BBS, especially for MS-DOS and Mac people, is finding an
easy way for your users to utilize your new gained services! So,
you will want to be sure to find some type of converter program,
or a way to read the news from within your BBS program's
parameters. Contact your BBS support team to see what is
available, if anything is at all. Also, post a message in your
support echos. If you still can't find an answer, post on the
INTERNET echo. For an actual feed, if you don't already have one,
see the next question.
However, if you want to do a FULL BLOWN, 24-hour direct connect
Internet site, the first thing that is recommend is taking a look
at your hardware. Most Internet sites run UNIX as their host
software... but there are a few exceptions. The first thing to
consider is, can your system handle the load of 10 to maybe
hundreds of users at one time? Second, it is, in general, VERY
expensive to run a decent Internet site. My own personal
recommendation is to consult a local Internet guru for his or her
opinion on doing such. If you don't have such a person handy, you
can contact the headquarters for the National Science Foundation
by sending mail to info-server@nnsc.nsf.net with the following
text as the message:
request: nsfnet
topic: referral-list
reqeust: end
This will give you a list of high-speed network providers. Also, see
the next question for more clues...
_____________________________________________________________
6. Where can I get direct access to Internet, if I'm not at a
University or a business that has an Internet connect?
My own personal advice is to ask around locally, especially at big
business and universities that might possibly have one. Most
Internet sites have policies regarding 'public use'. If you are
dealing with Universities, ask around A LOT. Just be sure not to
make a nuisance of yourself. Some University people avoided the
questions simply because word got around that so-and-so was
looking for a feed. Ask to see the technical support crew/person
for any department that has to do with science, technology,
engineering, etc. They are most likely to have a feed available.
[Surprises can happen--For example, one person connects to the
Molecular Science department... who would have guessed?]
If that leaves you nowhere, then it is time to really start
hunting around. Usually people say "check out [fill in favorite
commercial service here]", but that may not be the BEST solution
for you. The best advice that one can give is to check out the
PDIAL file. PDIAL stands for Public Dialup Internet Access List.
You can get a copy of it by sending mail to kaminski@netcom.com,
with a subject of 'send PDIAL'. You'll receive a rather lengthy
file of sites that offer full or close to full Internet access for
free or for pay. Also available is a listing similiar to PDIAL.
You can get it by just sending a peice of mail to
nixpub@digex.com. No need to fill in a subject or any body text.
[Both of these files are available for FREQ from 1:300/311.0 as
PDIAL.TXT and NIXPUB.TXT if you don't have Internet mail access or
Fido netmail access.] ... and please, check these sources of
information out __BEFORE__ you post on the INTERNET echo asking
for a site.
_____________________________________________________________
7. Who is this Archie person?
Archie is actually a program more than a person. Archie was
designed to provide a quick and efficient method of looking for
files from anonymous FTP sites. Archie is accessable via e-mail,
telnet, or through a client program like xarchie or anarchie.
There are several Archie servers to choose from all around the
globe. To get you started, here is a short list:
E-Mail Telnet -or- Client
-------------------- ---------------------
archie@sura.net archie.sura.net
archie@rutgers.edu archie.rutgers.edu
archie@internic.net archie.internic.net
The recommended way of reaching an archie system is through a client.
These programs can usually run in the background and free up the
archie server for more users at one time. Clients are available
for most popular systems. Check your favorite FTP sites for more
information.
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email.1834postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:46:37 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: (4/5) Weekly INTERNET FAQ
-------------------------------
_____________________________________________________________
8. Gopher? They let wild animals on the Internet?
Gopher is an interactive service that provides a full- screen,
menu-driven system that allows you to view or search for various
types of information with either the cursor keys or a mouse,
depending on your system configuration. Most universities are now
using Gopher as a way to provide a Campus Wide Information Systems
or CWIS (pronounced c-wiz). For example, the University of
Illinois provides access to the student phonebook, the Daily
Illini newspaper, information about upgrades to hardware , and
various other useful information. They even provide a simple
FTP-type system for those that don't have access to FTP. If you
have telnet access, you can try out gopher by telnetting to the
following systems (login as gopher):
+ consultant.micro.umn.edu [University of Minnesota]
+ gopher.msu.edu [Michigan State University]
+ gopher.siu.edu [Southern Illinois University-Carbondale]
Several clients are available for a variety of platforms. The best
place to look is boombox.micro.umn.edu. If you can't find a gopher
client for your particular hardware, here is a perfect chance to
use Archie. :)
_____________________________________________________________
9. Veronica is Archie's girlfriend, right?
Actually, in a strange sort of way, yes! Veronica is a way to
search all of the known Gophers in the world for a text string.
Access to Gopher is required to use it, however. If your local
Gopher server doesn't have access to Veronica, the main veronica
system is located at gopher.unr.edu.
_____________________________________________________________
10. How does an Internet e-mail address "work"?
Think of it as a sorting process going backwards. Let's take my
address as an example...
ecereal@crispy.carb.il.us
.us----> "It is in the USA, so cut out the rest of the world and
.edu, .com, etc."
.il----> "Ok, we are in Illinois. So, the rest of the states are
cut out."
.carb--> "Hmm. That must be Carbondale. That takes care of the
rest of Illinois."
.crispy> "Ahh! That's Mental Vortex BBS!"
At some point in this chain, the name server (ie, the program that
deciphers these things) will likely consult another machine for
details -or- pass the information to that machine for handling in
the case of e-mail. For most directly connected machines, this
would normally happen after the .il.us part had been processed...
but not necessarily. At this point, the e-mail would get sent to
this machine to deal with. crispy would then look through its
files to see if a user by the name of 'ecereal' exists. If crispy
didn't find the user id the mail was sent to, the mail file would
get returned back to the user who sent the e-mail. Otherwise,
crispy would put the message in that user's mailbox. As you can
see, it works very similiar to a postal address. The same type of
information is there, but in a very different format....
ecereal
PO Box Crispy
Carb, IL
US
_____________________________________________________________
11. Can I post on a Usenet newsgroup even if I don't have direct
Usenet news access?
Sure. Send your article to: [newsgroup]@cs.utexas.edu where
[newsgroup] is the dashed newsgroup name. For example,
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy would become comp-sys-
amiga-advocacy@cs.utexas.edu. Some newsgroups are also available
for subscription. Send mail to [newsgroup]- request@uunet.uu.net
to request access to the newsgroup of your choice. Most of these
are run by humans, not automatic processes (called daemons), so it
just might be a while before you see something roll in.
_____________________________________________________________
12. I'm currently running a UUCP site, but it isn't registered in a
domain. How do I register for mapping purposes?
Basically, all you need to do is a bit of paperwork and your
system can be registered in the .us and/or the .uucp
"pseudo"-domain. For information on getting a .us address, contact
us-domain@isi.edu. For getting into the UUCP pseudo-domain,
contact uucp-map-request@uunet.uu.net. My recommendation is
getting registered in the .us domain. However, I should also
mention that there is another choice _IF_ you would like to be a
gateway site for FidonetInternet mail, in which case you would get
a fidonet.org address. For more info, FREQ a copy of GATEAPPL from
1:1/31.
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email.1835postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu
Subject: Preneto sa FidoNet-a
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 16:46:38 CET
Preneto sa FidoNet-a, konferencija Internet:
--------------------------------------------
Subj: (5/5) Weekly INTERNET FAQ
-------------------------------
_____________________________________________________________
13. What is the World Wide Web? What are Mosaic, Lynx, and Netscape?
The World Wide Web (AKA WWW or W3) is a collection of systems
mainly running a protocol known as HTTP. This protocol uses a
series of files in HTML (HyperText Markup Language) to provide a
fully graphic environment of moving around on the 'net. In
concept, it is very similar to gopher: its menu driven, requires
the use of a client, and is very flexible for the end systems
needs. The biggest difference is that WWW and its series of
clients (with one exception) promote the use of high-end graphics
capabilities. As an added bonus, most WWW clients also contain
built-in versions of gopher, ftp, and several other common
Internet protocols.
NCSA Mosaic is probably the most popular of several graphic
implementations of WWW clients. Versions for several operating
systems are available from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.
A group of the original NCSA programmers left NCSA and formed
Netscape Corporation who have a program available called Netscape
(ftp'able from ftp.mcom.com). Netscape is basically a greatly
enhanced version of Mosaic available in commercial and freeware
editions.
Lynx deserves a mention here. Lynx is a UNIX- and MS-DOS-based
WWW client for text-based terminals. It bypasses the graphics
to all for those users without a GUI-capable workstation
to do just about anything that a Mosaic or Cello user would.
Lynx is available on wuarchive.wustl.edu, as well as several
other sites.
For more info on the WWW as a whole, Web over to
http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html or contact
timbl@info.cern.ch.
_____________________________________________________________
14. How do I find e-mail addresses?
Currently, there really isn't a standard way to find someone's
Internet e-mail address quickly and easily. Currently two methods
work the best, under my experience. The first one is netfind.
Netfind is series of computers that use MX and other nameserver
records along with two key pieces of information to find e-mail
addresses. Those two pieces are usually a name of some kind and
either a domain name or an institution. For example, 'schwartz
boulder colorado university' will find netfind's author, Mike
Schwartz. The current list of netfind servers are:
+ archie.au (AARNet, Melbourne, Australia)
+ bruno.cs.colorado.edu (University of Colorado, Boulder)
+ malloco.ing.puc.cl (Catholic University of Chile, Santiago)
+ mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (University of Minnesota, Minneapolis)
+ netfind.oc.com (OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas)
+ redmont.cis.uab.edui (University of Alabama at Birmingham)
+ sun.uakom.cs (Slovak Academy of Sciences, Czech and Slovak
Fed. Repub.)
The other method is using a client/server package known as
ph (server) and qi (client). ph was developed at the Univ.
of Illinois to solve their own internal address problems.
Now, ph is available at quite a few sites, and luckily for
the netsurfer, have made a qi for their site available on
several gopher servers. In fact, the Univ. of Minnesota
has a fairly complete list on their gopher.
_____________________________________________________________
15. What is fsp?
For this answer, we turn to Michael Dillon's post (slightly
edited):
FSP is a File Transfer Protocol similar to FTP, but different:
+ FSP doesn't require you to log in.
+ FSP can resume a partial transfer at any time
+ FSP can be used with simple commands like fls and fcp which
are the equivalent of ls and cp (or fdir and fcopy if you
prefer MS-DOS style).
+ FSP can run in the background without writing fancy shell
scripts
+ FSP servers control the number of bytes per second being
transferred so that they cannot be crashed by overloads.
Of course, you cannot use FSP unless your sysadmin has installed
it on your system. Maybe you should read the alt.comp.fsp newsgroup
for a few days, and if you are still interested, tell your sysadmin
where they can get the client programs to install.
________________________________________________________________
16. What is LINUX?
LINUX is a System V Release 4 UNIX that is available freely
for a variety of platforms. For more information, there is
a Frequently Asked Questions file just for it, available for
FREQ from 1:3801/2 as "LINUX.ZIP".
Also, check out the LINUX echo on Fidonet for even more
information.
_________________________________________________________________
Other Sources of Information
FREELY AVAILABLE FILES USED FOR ANSWERS PRESENTED HERE
OR ARE JUST REALLY GOOD. =)
* Yanoff's Internet Resources List [FREQ: YANOFF.TXT]
* Augsburg BBS List
* Dillon's UUCP for the Amiga
* Big Dummy's Guide to the Internet
* Hitchhiker's Guide to the Internet
* Zen and the Art of the Internet
* Inter-Network Mail Guide [FREQ: INTERMAIL.TXT]
* Crispin's ROADMAP Series [FREQ: ROADMAP]
* rtfm.mit.edu's ftp site contains FAQ's and RFC's for everything.
* Community Nets FAQ [FREQ: COMMNETS from 1:261/1134]
(FREQ names are for 1:300/311.0 except where noted)
_________________________________________________________________
Updates to this FAQ should go to:
* Fidonet : Moderator @ 1:300/311.0
* AmigaNet: Moderator @ 40:302/10.0
* Internet: axw@apollo.sunquest.com
* Modem : +01-520-747-4413 (ZyXEL U-1496E)
Most of the documents referenced throughout the text are available for
FREQ and downloading. The most recent version of this file
is available as magic name FIDOINET in a MS-DOS text format (lines end
with carriage returns and line feeds). This text is posted on a
(currently) weekly basis via a cronevent on the INTERNET echo on
Fidonet.
If you are interested in obtaining a copy of the rules of the echo,
these are also available as FIDOINET.RLZ. As of March '95, the rules
will also be in the ECHOLxxx series of files transmitted across the
ECHOLIST filebone.
________________________________________________________________
Compiled by Allen Wittenauer 1:300/311.0, Moderator.
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email.1836postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 16:51:11 GMT
"Marko Savkovic" <msavkovic@sezam.UUCP> writes:
> P.S.: Nesto mi, ipak, nije jasno: prosli put kad je bila ovakva
> (besmislena) rasprava, opet je poruka dosla sa adrese sezam.co.yu.
> SEZAM nema pravo razmene elektronske poste sa inostranstvom, pa mi
> ostaje nejasno zasto su korisnici SEZAM-a jedini koji galame zbog
> email-ogranicenja, kad to njih ne pogadja ni najmanje.
Sezamovci su previse razmazeni. :)
ZDule...
email.1837postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: NEMA LEBA BEZ MOTIKE!
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 00:59:45 GMT
ĐŠč On 08-28-95 21:39 Malenovi@cview.com wrote:
Ma> nazalost meni nista nije promaklo ali jednostavno ne mogu da odolim a
Ma> da ne uskocim. ajde jedan stejtment za javnost:
Ma> NISTA NA OVOME SVETU NIJE BESPLATNO.
Lepo rek'o co'ek, on valjda zna, s obzirom na svoju e-mail adresu...
Ma> daklem, ANS je monster - ima 45Mbps i neke jako brze linkove od kojim
Ma> mi se govno smrzne kad cujem (btw, za one koji ce da mi skoce za vrat
Sta se uradi??? ;)
Ma> sin.com - Proudly running FreeBSD 2.0.5 486DX2/50 32 Mb RAM 1.5Gb SCSI
Ma> Look at what Linux did - it made everyone aware of Unices, but it has
Ma> put back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont'
Ma> ask what your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke
Ma> Linux!
Eeeee, ovo mi nikako nije jasno. Jel' moze jedno objasnjenje zasto je
Linux bljak a BSD coolj?
Meni se cini da je obratno, jer mi kakvi smo, sigurno bi na ftp hostovima
drzali BSD umesto Linuxa da je BSD bolji...
... Hey! Do not touch that pho├Ó˙┴¡ŞĹĂĂŠłž NO CARRIER
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
email.1838postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: administracija?
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 95 02:08:50 GMT
broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic) writes:
> Kome korisnik treba da se zali kada je YUInternet
> prepun uvreda na njegov racun?
>
> Na koji nacin moze da se zastiti?
Prvo rec uvreda znaci namerno potcenjivanje i omalovazavanje nekog lica,
izrazeno recima ili postupkom. Ako je YUInternet prepun uvreda na neciji
racun on je vec zasticen zakonom a pocinitelj uvrede se po nasem krivicnom
pravu kaznjava novcano ili zatvorom. Ako je uvreda ucinjena putem stampe,
radija, televizije i drugih sredsava javnog informisanja i komuniciranja
ili slicnih sredstava ili na javnom skupu, ucinilac se kaznjava stroze
tako da ja ne vidim zasto bi bilo potrebe bilo koga stiti.
ZDule...
P.S. Ako neki smatraju za uvredu sum u konfernecijama ili sl. neka skoce
pod voz i rese nas bede.
email.1839postmast,
From: BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:32:59 GMT
Branimir Karadzic (bkaradzic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> Na kakve se sve gluposti u nasoj zemlji trose pare, mogli bi da prosire
>> taj budzet (u celini).
Finansiranje elektronske poste je ostvareno teskom mukom. To ovde izlgeda
niko ne shvata, vec misli da je besplatan email deo ljudskih prava! E,
kad vec pricas kako je "logicno" sto studentima dajemo besplatan email i
kako "to na zapadu odavno postoji": na zapadu studenti svoj email placaju
i to krvavo - skolarina je tamo od 5000$ navise i uracunava koriscenje
racunara, laboratorija, email-a, pa i Internet, troskove nastave itd. Pa
ko voli, nek izvoli. Kod nas je skolovanje *besplatno* za prvih N
studenata na rang-listi, ostali placaju, ali ni priblizno toliko koliko
npr. u USA i Kanadi.
>> ;;; P.S.: Nesto mi, ipak, nije jasno: prosli put kad je bila ovakva
>> ;;; (besmislena)
>> Jeste besmislena, jer se nista nece na bolje promeniti.
Tacno - nista nece promeniti - samo stvara (nepotrebnu) tenziju na ovoj
konferenciji.
Pozdrav,
Beri
--
-------.
| --+-- | Berislav Todorovic, B.Sc.E.E. | E-mail: beri@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
| /|\ UBBG System administrator |
|-(-+-)-| School of Electrical Engineering | Phone: (+381-11) 3221-419
| \|/ Bulevar Revolucije 73 | 3224-430
| --+-- | 11000 Belgrade SERBIA, YUGOSLAVIA |
`-------' --------------------------------------------------------------------
email.1840postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:29:20 GMT
Zoran Kusovac (zqusovac@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >Covek visoko u sistemu BK kompanije, na odgovornoj tehni koj du nosti, tvrdi
/* >da e u roku od najvi e 4 meseca BK postati zvani ni provider za puni
/* >Internet.
Zivi bili pa videli, no josh nekoliko ozbiljnih firmi pretenduje
na isto...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
Last night sex was so good the neighbors lit cigarettes.
email.1841postmast,
From: BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:25:05 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> Da repliciram sam sebi:
>> Izgleda da je 16-bitna verzija "budjava". Pri razmotavanju fajl
>> netscape.ex_ prjavljuje CRC error. Bar da je drugi neki fajl!
>> Pl poz D
$ ana/rms/check n1612b6.exe
daje kao rezultat:
NO ERRORS ;-)))
prema tome sa diskom na ubbg-u je sve ok, kao i sa arhivom. Predlazem
ponovno skidanje arhive.
Pozdrav,
Beri
--
-------.
| --+-- | Berislav Todorovic, B.Sc.E.E. | E-mail: beri@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
| /|\ UBBG System administrator |
|-(-+-)-| School of Electrical Engineering | Phone: (+381-11) 3221-419
| \|/ Bulevar Revolucije 73 | 3224-430
| --+-- | 11000 Belgrade SERBIA, YUGOSLAVIA |
`-------' --------------------------------------------------------------------
email.1842postmast,
From: Damjan.Marinkovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Marinkovic)
Subject: Re: BANJALUKA BBS
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:54:01
MA> - Fajlovi : 80 MB GIF, 70 MB MOD, 30 MB VOC, 30 MB WAV, 40 MB FAQ,
MA> 30 MB DEMOA, i sw/pd/fw programa i igara koliko hocete
Ma, stvarno... Citavih ˝ 280 MB ... A igara kol'ko hocu, a?
Jel' moze nekih 5 Gb igara, ako ti nije tesko...
Damjan
... DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"...
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1844postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:35:34 GMT
BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
>prema tome sa diskom na ubbg-u je sve ok, kao i sa arhivom. Predlazem
>ponovno skidanje arhive.
Da, moja greska. Dva puta sam skidao, i dva puta sam dobio budjav
filet. Treci put je sve bilo OK.
Ali, to je iza nas, sada cekamo Netscape 12N, koji je kako znamo
izasao.
Pl poz D
email.1845postmast,
From: msimas@setnet.co.yu (Sima Milovanovic)
Subject: Re: U'NI-net na Oreski
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:32:01
-=> Quoting Zoran Doroslovac to Sima Milovanovic <=-
ZD> P.S.
ZD> Poslusacu tvoj savet u vezi prepiske, a mogao bi i ti da ga procitas.
ZD> Medju ostalim brisao sam neke delove odgovora i sad i prethodni put.
ZD> Jer znam da si stariji (ne bas toliko koliko mislis), i nema smisla da
ZD> se svadjamo a nismo se videli u zivotu. Da ti pisem privatno nema
ZD> svrhe posto nemam nameru da se raspravljam a za javno ovo je postalo
ZD> blesavo. -!-
Kako vidis, obrisao sam sve ovo gore, kako ne bi nastavili u
istom tonu, i na istu temu, i slozio se stobom, da se ne treba
svadjati, bez obzira sto smo ostali svako pri svom stavu.
Na kraju krajeva, i to je neko resenje, tj. da svako radi onako
kako misli da je za njega najbolje. Nismo se videli, ali ko zna,
mozda jednog dana kad odes u penziju kao ja:)
Sima..
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
email.1846postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: sasvim obican
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:45:26
==== Miroslav Doroslovac rece: ======================================
MD> 1. Gospodo vi ste sysopi i trebali bi da postujete sopstvena pravila,
MD> a ona kazu da ovakvim raspravama nije mesto u javnim konferencijama :)
Potpuno si u pravu, ali na koji nacin da raspravljamo? Ideja sa
konferencijom YU.SYSOPS, koja je trebala da sluzi upravo za slicne
diskusije a da se razmenjuje izmedju svih mreza, nije prihvacena
od nekih sisopa.
No, podseti me, sad je drugacija struktura, tu su neke nove snage,
mozda sad to mozemo da napravimo?
... BR> Nema vise industrijskog zagadjivanja! Hvala UN!
-+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1847postmast,
From: Zoran.Doroslovac@f109.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Doroslovac)
Subject: Panon BBS
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 06:34:08
********************* P A N O N B B S *********************
DVA NODA: 381 21 25119 i 381 21 52739 0-24 14400 BPS
**************************************************************
I-Mail, YU-Mail, razmena bar dva puta na dan
Fido-Net, preko 100 konferencija (od kuvanja do Nassinih izvestaja)
U'N-Net, amaterska mreza
Adrija-Net, mreza bivse YU
Adult-Net, (uslov punoletstvo)
News konferencije (Linux, Unix)
Preko 4 Gb programa.
RIP Grafika (rad kao sa Windowsima, misem)
Mogucnost pisanja u svim kodnim rasporedima (i citanja)
Mogucnost otvaranja konf. za grupe ili firme (suport)
Ukljucite se u sistem koji radi 24 casa za Vas, dobar deo sveta
sveta vam je dostupan.
Ň══════════════════════════════════════════════Ş
│ wcPRO Reporting Period: 29/05/95 to 27/08/95 │
ď══════════════════════════════════════════════ż
Ň══════════════════════════════════Đ══════════════════════════════════════════Ş
│ │ System availability = 70% │
│ Calling Statistics │ Hours of system use = 1,305 │
│ Ă══════════════════════════════════════════Á
│ Total calls 12,782 │ Number of new users = 216 │
│ 1200 bps 143 (1%) Ă══════════════════════════════════════════Á
│ 2400 bps 4,390 (34%) │ # times newsletter read = 966 │
│ 4800 bps 134 (1%) Ă══════════════════════════════════════════Á
│ 9600 bps 610 (5%) │ Number of bulletins read = 3,120 │
│ 14400 bps 6,017 (47%) Ă══════════════════════════════════════════Á
│ Others 1,488 (12%) │ Total questionnaire answers = 64 │
Ă══════════════════════════════════ě══════════════════════════════════════════Á
│ Total doors entered = 1,508 │ Number of messages left = 14,696 │
Ă══════════════════════════════════ě══════════════════════════════════════════Á
│ Total files viewed = 1,091 │ Times sysop was paged = 298 │
ď══════════════════════════════════¤══════════════════════════════════════════ż
■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ Majstor - Evgenije!
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/109)
email.1848postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: email
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:21:45
"S> From: "Vojislav Stojkovic" <vojas@sezam.UUCP>
> Sta treba da kazem kad po pitanju, recimo, Pravilnika SETNet-a, imam
> potpunu podrsku od sisopa SETNet-a. Upravo povodom ove diskusije
"S> Upravo to je i problem. Jer tih deset i vise su _birani_ tako da te
"S> podrzavaju u svakoj tvojoj odluci. Nisam siguran da sam cuo (mozda
"S> nisam dobro slusao) da je ijedan SysOp nekog BBS-a postao clan tog
"S> "Saveta" (Senata?) ako se nije uglavnom slagao sa tvojim misljenjem.
Odakle ti ovakve ideje? Da li ti znas kako se biraju clanovi Saveta?
Da li znas da je izbor clanova javan? Da li znas da ja nemam nista
veci uticaj na njihov izbor od ostalih clanova? Da li znas da u
radu Saveta uvek poslednji iznosim svoje misljenje upravo zato
da se neko ne bi poveo za njim. Uvek nam nabijate na nos pogresnu stvar.
Mi u SETNet-u ne mislimo isto, samo umemo da nadjemo resenja koja
svima odgovaraju. Delujmemo i funkcionisemo homogeno sto kod zlobnika
ostavlja utisak jednoumlja.
"S> Verujem da govorim u ime mnogih drugih ako kazem da bi trebalo ne samo
"S> ovu raspravu, nego i sve druge istog tipa (a vi dobro znate koje su
"S> to) u mail ili neko drugo mesto gde vam je pogodno a nama ostalima ne
"S> smeta.
Xe, xe, pa sto onda ostavljas poruke sa gornjom sadrzinom? Da
utices na smanjenje suma?
... BR> Is Internet internal or international?
-+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1849postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: administracija?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:21:46
Kome korisnik treba da se zali kada je YUInternet
prepun uvreda na njegov racun?
Na koji nacin moze da se zastiti?
... Ko nije protiv nas, sa nama je. (Cezar)
-+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1850postmast,
From: Vladislav.Mirkovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Vladislav Mirkovic)
Subject: novi BBS
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:43:05
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/▀ /▀▀ /▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀/▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀
┌──────────────┐ ┌────────────────────┐
│ Prijedor,RS │ /▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀▀ │ SysOps: │
│+381 79 11 301│ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀ /▀▀▀ │ │
│ 14 400 bps │ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ │ Sasa Vila │
│ │ /▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀▀ │ Vladislav Mirkovic │
│ *Non Stop* │ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ │ Srdjan Kurtovic │
│ │ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀▀ /▀▀ │ │
└──────────────┘ /▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ /▀▀▀▀▀▀ └────────────────────┘
Zahvaljujemo se:
Radio Klub " KOZARA " Prijedor
Elektrotehnicka skola Prijedor
PGTP " Vilaco " Prijedor
PTT Prijedor
BBS radi od 30.08.1995 (eksperimentalni rad).
Za sve bagove u sistemu ostaviti poruku SysOp-ima.
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1851postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:38:24
-+=+- "Igor Kordic" rece : -+=+-
"K> Kada bih samo mogao da kazem nesto kao "conf res *.setnet.co.yu",
"K> ihaaaj... Onda samo moramo da trpimo one jezive kilometarske potpise,
"K> al' to i nije tako strasno...
Pogledaj Internet... Potpisi od jednog ekrana... Salju fajlove u
konferencijama od 50 KB... I na njih se manje ljute nego na setnet-ovce.
Pozdrav, Mladen Adamovic (adamm@elf.bl.ac.yu).
... S*mo *e *i t*udi d* o*o pro*itas i iz*ubis v*eme be*ve*e ;)
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1852postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:38:25
-+=+- "Marko Savkovic" rece : -+=+-
"S> From: "Marko Savkovic" <msavkovic@sezam.UUCP>
P.S. Ova poruka je duga, i nije direktan reply Marku, nastala
je duzim konzumiranjem ove konferencije, procitajte :)
"S> This does it. Conf ignore postmast, na moju zalost, jer ima
"S> ljudi koji ponekad napisu i nesto pametno u ovoj konferenciji.
"S>
"S> Bilo bi odlicno kada bi mogli da se ignorisu postmast-ovi samo u
"S> e-mail temi.
E sad je ovo glupost. Neki korisnici sezama bi da ignorisu poruke
sa Bint-a, a da diskutuju o email-u?!?!? Da li je njima
jasno da je na ovim nasim prostorima BeoInternet usko povezan sa temom
email?!? Citava prica o email-u pociva na osnovama BeoInterneta.
Ovde vidim da je neko uputio kritiku sto je Igor Loncarevic zvani
anubis, uputio citat od 7 KB. Ja ne opravdavam taj njegov postupak ako
ga je ucinuo, ali taj momak (a inace ga licno poznajem),
je SysAdm racunskog centra ETF-a u Banjaluci. To znaci da on,
za razliku od nekih drugih, ima sta da kaze o racunarskim
komunikacijama i o ovoj temi - Email.
Da kazem da je moj stav objektivno nepristrasan, ovu poruku saljem
na SetNET, korisnik sam i BeoInternet-a, kao i Sezam-a.
Sto se tice kvaliteta konferencija mislim da tu Sezam, ipak prednjaci,
ali Sezam je ipak, jedan zatvoreni sistem, koji i za ovakvu vezu sa
YU, mora mnogo da zahvali BeoInterentu. BeoInternet, prakticno predstavlja
cvor racunara u YU, i sire :).
Dakle, da rezimiram : viva BEOINTERNET, viva SETNET, viva SEZAM.
Da ne bude zabune, navodim pojmove po abecednom redu.
A svi se mi zajedno sada potrudimo da doprinesemo kvalitetu ove
konferencije ne svadjajuci se vise oko toga da li pojedini sistemi
treba da se odvoje ili ne od matice? U vreme informatickog autoputa
u svetu, i opste manije povezivanja racunara, digitrona i mozgova,
mi bi da se delimo?
Pozdrav, Mladen Adamovic (adamm@elf.bl.ac.yu, madamovic@sezam.co.yu).
... S*mo *e *i t*udi d* o*o pro*itas i iz*ubis v*eme be*ve*e ;)
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1853postmast,
From: Slobodan.Utvic@f119.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Slobodan Utvic)
Subject: WWW
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:06:00
-=> Quoting "Stanislav Zunjic" to All <=-
>> Ne podrazumeva uopste.Kad bi to bilo,mi bi imali YUInt provider-a
"Z> Cemu onda silni tekstovi u Racunarima, PC-u? Radi razmene iskustava
"Z> medu Sysopima? Da li uopste postoji masina koja nudi ove servise
"Z> obicnim korisnicima?
Za obicne smrtnike : koristite usluge servera : osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu ,
galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu , ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
A sto se tice textova u PC-u i Racunarima , bez njih tesho da bi se snasao
kod instalacije . Ionako je problen i naci sve fajlove , razbacani su po
celom YUintu . Zasto to neko ne sredi nemam pojma !!
Utvara
* Origin: ECSTASY BBS * Indjija * 022 53-884 * SETNet: (38:111/119)
email.1854postmast,
From: SETN@f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (SETN)
Subject: Statistics
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:06:00
Maintaned by CONFERENCE STATISTICS SHELL - (c)1995 by Predrag Supurovic
=======================================================================
Conference NET.EMAIL maintained on 03.08.95. for 28 days backward.
QRATIO Mail Statistics V1.9 by Act Of Impulse.
----------------------------------------------
Total messages found in this area : 854
Number of messages covered in report: 355
Processed period from: 3-8-1995 to 30-8-1995
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blacklist-Top 5 of the Quoters.
Nr Total Quoted Quote
Name Address Msg Lines Lines: Ratio:
---- ------- --- ----- ------ ------
1. Zoran Kovacev............ 38:111/118 6 66 50 75.76%
2. "Snezana Vujovic"........ 38:103/120 1 26 18 69.23%
3. Slobodan Popovic......... 38:103/1 4 39 23 58.97%
4. Sima Milovanovic......... 38:103/125 4 119 66 55.46%
5. Vojislav Mihailovic...... 38:103/133 16 365 190 52.05%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the writers.
Total Average Quote
Name Msgs: Pct. Byte/Msg Ratio:
---- ----- ----- -------- ------
1. Predrag Supurovic 44 12.4% 1887 45.34%
2. Sloba Markovic 24 6.8% 1535 26.52%
3. Zoran Doroslovac 20 5.6% 2877 37.51%
4. Aleksandar Ninkovic 20 5.6% 621 42.92%
5. Vojislav Mihailovic 16 4.5% 1333 52.05%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the receivers.
Total
Name Msgs: Pct.
---- ----- -----
1. All 186 52.4%
2. Sloba Markovic 30 8.5%
3. Predrag Supurovic 27 7.6%
4. Milos Petrovic 15 4.2%
5. Zoran Doroslovac 13 3.7%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the subjects.
Subject Nr.
------- ---
1. email....................................................... 109
2. Ostale mreze i SETNet....................................... 54
3. Demokratija & mreze......................................... 20
4. Demokratija & SETNet........................................ 18
5. Rusenje BBLink-a............................................ 14
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Average posting frequency per week:
Day Msgs Pct. Graph
Sunday 38 10.7% *************************
Monday 75 21.1% **************************************************
Tuesday 32 9.0% *********************
Wednesday 52 14.6% **********************************
Thursday 59 16.6% ***************************************
Friday 31 8.7% ********************
Saturday 68 19.2% *********************************************
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Average posting frequency per day:
Interval Msgs Pct. Graph
-------- ---- ----- -----
0:00- 1:59 31 8.7% *************************
2:00- 3:59 36 10.1% *****************************
4:00- 5:59 8 2.3% ******
6:00- 7:59 7 2.0% *****
8:00- 9:59 15 4.2% ************
10:00-11:59 61 17.2% **************************************************
12:00-13:59 50 14.1% *****************************************
14:00-15:59 29 8.2% ************************
16:00-17:59 28 7.9% ***********************
18:00-19:59 23 6.5% *******************
20:00-21:59 25 7.0% ********************
22:00-23:59 42 11.8% **********************************
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1855postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 22:04:53 GMT
Stanislav Zunjic (supers@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >Kada sam pokusao da FTP-ujem Netscape, VMS me pozdravio sa
/* >nekim svojim G-HKNBGFD-I, a u slobodnom prevodu "Sad but true,
/* >your disk quota is 2000 blocks". Kako se skidaju fajlovi od preko
/* >jednog megabajta? Mora da postoji nacin, cemu bi sluzili tamo
/* >ako niko ne moze da ih skine?
Ako si na UBBGu, sto kopirash file kod sebe???
kucaj ako imash dignut fruit:
cd public:[000000.net.internet.www.netscape]
kada si se vec pozicionirao na taj direktorijum zar je tesko
recimo uraditi ovo:
sz n1612b6.exe
To je to... Ovo isto mozesh postici i pomocu komande public koja
ti "dize" nesto tipa NCDa i "lahkim" pokretima prstica pozicionirash
se na zeljeni direktorijum...
Sto postoje ovako veliki fajlovi ako niko ne moze da ih skine?
Ko kaze da niko ne moze da ih skine... Na UNIX masinama imash
uvek systemski /tmp direktorijum u koji je moguce izvrsiti
privremen smestaj fajla, a zatim cuveno sz imefajla...
Postupi kako ti vise odgovara...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
... Never underestimate the power of "Modem Addictus"!
email.1856postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: sezam zaglavlja
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:45:51 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Jel' moze da se utice na Sezam da stave adresu pisaca poruka kako treba, a
: ne da uporno stoji ono sezam.UUCP?
Implementacija nemoze biti laksa, a problem star koliko i UUCP razmena.
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
anubis@hobbiton.ho.com
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
email.1857postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Diplomacy
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:00:30 GMT
Za one koje interesira....postoji Diplomacy server i kod nas...
adresa je: judge@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
Jos nesto..Rezultati koji se postignu ovde idu automatski u sve
rezultate Diplomacy-a u svetu...Kod kod nas je YUBG(Jugoslavija-
Beograd)
Dragan D. Vecerina
email.1858postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: email
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:50:20 GMT
Mala digresija:
mogao bi zaista neko sa FONa ili ETFa da sastavi clankic 'sta se
sme, a sta se nesme' sa dodatkom net-bontona (mozda prevedeni netiqette)
i da se automatski mail-uje svakom korisniku kome se otvori raccun...
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
| nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
email.1860postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 23:08:54 GMT
"Vladimir Maric" <vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP> writes:
> #=> Kojom komandom se na VAX-u dobija spisak masina na koje moze
> #=> da se telnetuje?
>
> show net (valjda :)
show net prikazuje listu nodova na decnet-u a ne masina na koje moze
da se telnetuje.
ZDule...
email.1861postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 23:10:51 GMT
"Aleksandar Sevic" <sandro@sezam.UUCP> writes:
> HJesam li samo ja dobio ovo ili svi korisnici na osmehu?
Svi su je dobili i to nije nista novo ta zabrana vazi za sve
"smrtne" korisnike na svim masinama vec duze vreme.
ZDule...
email.1862postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:12:34 GMT
bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav) wrote:
> Pardon, zaboravih nesto... Juce sma na jednom notebooku sasvim
> lako i bez problema namestio n1612b6.exe...
> Preporucujem da se ponovo skine paket...
Probacu ponovo, mada sam dva puta skidao sa istim rezultatom.
KAda smo vec kod toga evo jednog uputstva za kombinaciju Win95 i
Netscape b6. Prenosim u celini:
***
From: stevec@kronos.com (Steve Castellarin)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windows
Subject: Fix for Netscape 1.2b6 & NT/Win95
Date: 29 Aug 1995 12:19:16 GMT
Organization: Kronos, Inc.
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5
If you run REGEDT32 (REGEDIT for Win95) and follow the path:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AppPaths
you'll see two entries for Netscape. Delete them and all should work
well.
***
Pl poz D
email.1863postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:23:38 GMT
Branimir Karadzic (bkaradzic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: ;;; Na primer? Ispravno je reci da postoje racunari na kojima su usluge
: ;;; emaila besplatne. Takvi postoje i kod nas: Osmeh, Galeb. Ali i njihove
: ;;; troskove neko placa.
: neko = ministarstvo
: Taj neko sto placa uzima pare od naroda, bilo bi logicno da to i vrati
: narodu.
Njihov problem je u tome sto uzimaju kolko ocedu a nedaju nista (barem na
regularan nacin ;))
email.1864postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:34:12 GMT
Skinuo sam ponovo Netscape 16b6, i sve je OK.
Pl poz D
email.1865postmast,
From: drajov@fon (Dragan Jovicevic)
Subject: Re: NOVO na PUBLIC-u !!!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 06:42:16 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Pardon, zaboravih nesto... Juce sma na jednom notebooku sasvim
: lako i bez problema namestio n1612b6.exe...
: Preporucujem da se ponovo skine paket...
: Pozdrav,
I ja sam ga instalirao bez problema, ali pitam se cemu to, kad
program ima rok trajanja do 30. septembra.
email.1866postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: sezam zaglavlja
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:47:26 GMT
Jel' moze da se utice na Sezam da stave adresu pisaca poruka kako treba, a
ne da uporno stoji ono sezam.UUCP?
email.1867postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: Kosovo
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 04:45:29 GMT
msimas@setnet.co.yu (Sima Milovanovic) writes:
> Dobro si napisao, tako ce i biti. Nadlezni su vec pokrenuli
> pitanje nastalog problema...
...i kroz koju godinu mozes ocekivati njegovo resenje.
;)
email.1868postmast,
From: SALE.OLUJIC@ZAMIR-BG.ztn.apc.org (Aleksandar Olujic)
Subject: Re^2: novi zastoj
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 11:05:06 +0100
## Public reply to Nik Malenovic 's message written on 28.08.95
## under subject Re: novi zastoj
## posted in /YU/NET/EMAIL newsgroup.
-> In article <1995Aug28.192908.22670@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
-> Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
-> > Vidim da SII ne stize vec par dana, jel opet zastoj kod Grcite?
->
-> ocigledno je vreme da se promeni feed a? :-)))))))))))))))
Fakat...
Pozdrav.
Sale
email.1869postmast,
From: dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:56:00 CET
QWK To: Marko Savkovic
MS> This does it. Conf ignore postmast, na moju zalost, jer ima
MS> ljudi koji ponekad napisu i nesto pametno u ovoj konferenciji.
Jedno pitanje svim sezamovcima:
Zar tamo jos uvek postoji postmaster ??? Pa koliko znam sve sezam poruke su
ascii, a pretpostavljam da kroz UUCP menjate postu sa YuInt-om ? Sta je
problem da se softver malko dopise ? Ili je to zbog sujete ili tradicije ?
... Ne registrujte Microsoft proizvode. Brisite ih !!!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Rolling Stones BBS (2:382/105.5)
#! rnews 1116
email.1870postmast,
From: BOZIC_21992P@BUEF31.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Bozic Milan)
Subject: APEL ZA KONKRETNU POMOC IZBEGLICAMA
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:22:27 GMT
Trazi se smestaj za dve seoske porodice iz Krajine, bilo gde, samo ne vise
u zajednicki smestaj. Pozeljno blize Istocnoj Slavoniji, jer su neki jos na
ratistu.
Trazi se smestaj za dvoclanu gradsku porodicu, pozeljno industrijski centri.
Elektroinzenjer, slaba struja, 59 god. i visi rendgen tehnicar, 28 godina.
Javite se elektronskom postom...
Pozdrav, Milan Bozic, (bozic_21992p@buef31.etf.bg.ac.yu)
email.1871postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:50:12 GMT
Aleksandar Nikolajevic (banga@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >> =====> ftp://ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu/net/internet/www/netscape/
/* >Moja kuma ima nalog na ubbg. Da li na wax-u postoji nesto slicno kao
/* >twinsock?
Nema veze cija kuma ima nalog na UBBG, jer na UBBGu postoji
anonymous FTP server koji svima omogucava pristup bez problema
bazi fajlova i to sa bilo koje Beonet masine on line povezane
u mrezu..
Na VAXu (ne wax) :-), postoji twinsock, a sta bi bilo nesto slicno
to morate definisati.:))) Slicno bi bilo rad recimo preko PPPa
ili SLIPa...
Pozdrav,
Bane
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Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
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If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong.
email.1872postmast,
From: spop@setnet.co.yu (Slobodan Popovic)
Subject: email
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 10:15:00
* Originally from: "Aleksandar Vacic"
* Originally to: All
"V> From: "Aleksandar Vacic" <aleck@sezam.UUCP>
"V>
"V> p.p.s Od sada pa nadalje(ne zna se dokle) moje poruke ce biti na set
"V> code none...
"V> Nakacio sam Win95 da vidim kako izgleda,a u ovoj Comercial verziji
"V> nema sanse da nabudzim YU slova...ili ima O:).
Ima, Jelovicev GDIFIX radi posao savrseno. Jedino Windowsovi
ugradjeni fontovi (Arial, Couriew New i Times New Roman) ne rade kako
valja, ali i to se da resiti - uzmes fontove iz Final Beta ili neke
ranije verzije.
Takodje, sa ranijim verzijama Win95 Mapper nije radio kako valja,
ali sa ovom finalnom radi k'o satic. :)
... To sto sam ruzan ne znaci da sam i glup!
* Origin: SETNet - Belgrade HUB 1 (38:103/1)
email.1873postmast,
From: spop@setnet.co.yu (Slobodan Popovic)
Subject: email
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 10:17:01
* Originally from: Dusan Mihajlovic
* Originally to: All
DM> From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
> #=> Kojom komandom se na VAX-u dobija spisak masina na koje moze
> #=> da se telnetuje?
>
> show net (valjda :)
DM>
DM> show net prikazuje listu nodova na decnet-u a ne masina na koje moze
DM> da se telnetuje.
Pa bas iz ovih razloga je malisha sastavio svoju famoznu
yu-int.host listu.
... Bolje sest sati u skoli nego ne spavati uopste.
* Origin: SETNet - Belgrade HUB 1 (38:103/1)
email.1874postmast,
From: vojam@setnet.co.yu (Vojislav Mihailovic)
Subject: email
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 22:13:01
SB> From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
SB> Zoran Kusovac (zqusovac@sezam.UUCP) reche:
SB> /* >Covek visoko u sistemu BK kompanije, na odgovornoj tehnickoj duznosti,
SB> tvrdi
SB> /* >da ce u roku od najvise 4 meseca BK postati zvanicni provider za puni
SB> /* >Internet.
SB> Zivi bili pa videli, no josh nekoliko ozbiljnih firmi
SB> pretenduje na isto...
Kad smo vec kod toga, kad ce da se instalira ona satelitska antencuga koja vec
n godina stoji ispred ETF-ovog ERC-a (toliko je vec postala deo okoline da su
njen sanduk prefarbali sadolinom i montirali oglasnu tablu na njega ;))
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1875postmast,
From: Zoran.Ivanovic@f109.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Ivanovic)
Subject: STYX BBS
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:22:34
NE> SysOp
NE> .:NemesiS:.
Prijatelju drag, zelim ti sve najbolje, kao i vama.
Ali zar se nekada ne zapitas da tvoja reklama na ne odgovarajucem mestu
zauzima citava 3Kb, sto je najgore nije na samo jednom mestu :(
Sta mislis da recimo Vas 30-40 posalje po jednu takvu poruku ?
Na kraju krajeva ti si SysOp, kada tvoji korisnici vide da mozes ti sto
nebi mogli i oni ..... :(
ASCII slike jesu lepe (zanimljive), ali sacuvaj ih za vremena kada se otvore
takve konferencije.
Nadam se da ces malo da razmislis o ovome :)
NE> """"$$$$$$$$$$$
NE> $$$$$$$$$$$$
NE> $$$$$$$$$$"
NE> "$$$""""
Mislim ?!?!?!?! Bas ima veze sa BBS-om :((((((((((((((((((((
* SLMR 2.1a #1941 * Is this yours? Your dog left it on my lawn ...
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email.1876postmast,
From: Zoran.Kosijer@f0.n58.z58.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Kosijer)
Subject: Re: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 15:35:36
Sto se Proneta tice tu je stvar bila savim druge prirode i tu je SET bio cak
i malkoizigran, jer smo i davaliprograme i pomagali za konfigurisanje
da bi na kraju ispalo da od poceyta nije ni postojala zelja da se
povezemo. Mi smo cak nudili i nase kanale za razmenu poruka PRONeta
sto su kolege iz proneta odbili, ali smo kasnije napravili lepu
saradnju povezavsi neke od nasih konferencija i privatnu postu, prvi
put u jugi izmedju dve amaterske mreze.
Zna se ko nije hteo povezivanje SetNet-a i ProNet-a i kako je
vodjena politika ProNet-a.
ProNEt je sada sasvim drugacija mreza nego sto je bila na
pocetku.
... Catch the Blue Wave!
~~~ Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Force Aracis BBS (38:103/116) (58:58/0)
email.1877postmast,
From: Zoran.Kosijer@f0.n58.z58.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Kosijer)
Subject: Re: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 15:36:29
SM> Sto se tice PRONet-a, pitaj Zokija Kosijera, u poverenju, kako
SM> se razvijala stvar od pocetka...
ZK>
ZK> Zoka Kosijer mi je prijatelj i znam celu pricu.
SM> BTW, pokusaj prvo da ti napravis svoju mrezu, pa onda pricaj o
SM> problematici...
ZK> Gotovo sam ubedjen da problematiku bolje znam od tebe...
ZK> Pozdrav...
Nisam pratio od pocetka .. pa me bas zanima o cemu se radi..
Pozdrav :)
... Catch the Blue Wave!
~~~ Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Force Aracis BBS (38:103/116) (58:58/0)
email.1878postmast,
From: msimas@setnet.co.yu (Sima Milovanovic)
Subject: Re: U'NI-net na Oreski
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 10:38:02
-=> Quoting Zoran Doroslovac to Sima Milovanovic <=-
SM> Gde bas natrca na mene sa ovom provokacijom, ali ajde nek ti
ZD> Pa bio je zgodan primer, onoga sto nam je broker radio, pa onda sledi
ZD> tirada o SetNetu. Ja sam je skratio na 3 bla. I dalje stojim iza toga
ZD> da nije edukativno. Razlika u godinama pogorsava stvar na tvoju stetu.
Tebi je svaki primer 'zgodan' da u svakoj corbi budes mirodjija,
a to sto nikako ne uspevas da shvatis, sta Broker pokusava da ti
objasni, vec bi moralo da te zabrine.
Na ciju stetu ce da bude, to cemo tek da vidimo, iako se vec zna.
SM> Aca je mlad, i to ce ispraviti, bar je tako obeca u poruci koju
SM> mi je poslao, (verujem da si je procitao) i ja mu verujem. Kad si
SM> ti u pitanju, e to je vec malo tezi slucaj. Tebi nedostaje osnovno
SM> domace vaspitanje, a kako si sprcao tolike godine, tesko da ces ga
ZD> ^^^^^^
ZD> Vidis ovo se i ja cesto zapitam pred spavanje. Sto se tice vaspitanja
ZD> nikad nije kasno, ako je uspelo tebi, mozda ce i meni. Mada sam
Trebalo bi cesce da se zapitas, ali ti logika i nije bas neka.
Racunas, ako je nama uspelo da napravimo najbolju i najvecu mrezu,
uspece i tebi, pa si se sad nasao u cudu, sto to nikako ne ide.
ZD> zakasnio pa cu morati da se potrudim. Ali uporan sam ja. Mada bi trebao
ZD> da mi javis u koju si skolu isao pa da ja idem u drugu, tvoja mi se ne
ZD> svidja. Vidis jos jednom, ja radim 20 godina sa ljudima i ako si gledao
ZD> "Majstorsku radionicu" sa Radmilovicem, ja sam taj original, samo jos
Da ides u drugu, malo ti je kasno, osloni se na tu koju si zavrsio,
a kakve veze imas sa serijom i Radmilovicem, Bog da mu dusu prosti,
ne znam, ali zar ne mislis da bi ti bilo pametnije da se vratis
svojoj radionici?
ZD> scenario nisam napisao. Nagledao sam se svega i svacega i moram ti
ZD> reci da su u seriji ublazili stvar. Mogu da se spustim na svaki nivo i
ZD> da razgovaram sa svima kako treba. Ovde dolaze i doktori nauka i
U tome je izgleda i problem, sto ne mozes i da se podignes na visi
nivo, kad razgovaras sa onima koji prevazilaze tvoj.
ZD> Drago mi je da si me procenio na osnovu par poruka koje sam poslao.
ZD> Vidi se da si poznavalac i da vladas materijom. Na mom BBS-u, (nemam
ZD> mrezu) bi ti poslao javnu kulturnu opomenu u stilu nije vredno da se
ZD> svadjate. Sledece bi bila privatna opomena a trecu ne bi stigao da
ZD> procitas. Otprilike to su i vasa pravila. Pridrzavajte ih se.
Cesto je dovoljno, proceniti nekoga i kroz manje od par poruka,
a kako ih od tebe ima gomila, to olaksava stvar. A ako si kopirao
nas pravilnik, da te ne opominjemo vise....
A na tvom BBS_u, e tu mozes da radis sta god ti je volja.
SM> i steci. Ovo mi mozes verovati, jer sam dosta stariji od tebe.
ZD> Mora da si onda broj 1.
Ako mislis na godine, onda jesam.
SM>... SETNet, najveca mreza na Balkanu.
ZD> :))) Ovde je vec postojala mogucnost da se zagrcnes.
ZD> U najvecoj mrezi (ako je najveca onda smo naderali, kakve su nam tek
ZD> ostale) na Balkanu tvoj odgovor sam dobio posle tri dana, 80 Km.
Znas ti kakve su ostale, a znas i ko je najveci. Odgovor si dobio
sa zakasnjenjem, jer je te noci, kad je trebalo da ode, u firmi gde
je BBS, nestalo struje, pa je otisla sledece noci. Uostalom, cuo si
da uskoro startuje BG cvor, koji ce razmenjivati postu 24h. pa nece
biti zastoja.
ZD> tu je negde. Necu vise da davim, nisam hteo nista lose, samo da
ZD> saradjujem, ne mrzim SetNet (nije mi nista uradio) nemam nista protiv
ZD> da postojite, da ste najveci i sve ostalo sto vi zelite. Ove moje
Pridrzavaj se ovog obecanja, a o sardnji si vec sa Brokerom to
pitanje, nadam se raspravio.
ZD> poruke su sve bile na temu da treba nesto da se pokrene u ovoj drzavi a
ZD> VI kao NAJVECI treba da budete na celu toga. Sto se vi ne slazete sa
ZD> tim ili ne vidite sebe u tome to je vas problem a indirektno i moj.
Tvoje poruke i nisu bas bile na tu temu, a mi kao NAJVECI se trudimo
da ide na bolje, a sto se ne slazemo sa tvojim misljenjem, kako to
treba da se radi, je sasvim druga stvar.
ZD> Hteo sam da kazem da nije dobro da se ljudi prepucavaju ko je najveci
ZD> vec da rade i saradjuju. Sad sto sam koristio stil (vas) koji mi nije
ZD> bas po volji to je druga stvar. Zaslepljeni ste i skacete na prvu
ZD> loptu, a to nije dobro ni za koga. Ja pratim ove konferencije dugo
I dalje koristis isti stil, a ciji je on, to prepusti onima koji
te citaju, da to procene.
ZD> vremena i nisam nikad reagovao kad god ste u kontekstu "branjenja" od
ZD> bilo koga slucajno naglasavali da je Vnet nikakav i sl. Posle covek
ZD> kaze da se raspao zato sto je bio "dobar" a jos posle izjavi da nikad
Nista nije slucajno, sve se zna.
ZD> nije tvrdio da je los. Saa ovim sam zavrsio i na ovu temu monolog, i
ZD> izvinjavam se svim korisnicima a narocito Sezamovcima jer nisam znao da
ZD> se Internet razmenjuje sa njima. Nije mi bila namera da davim ljude
ZD> koji nemaju veze sa ovim.
Nadam se da ces i ovo obecanje odrzati, a ne verujem da si ljude
davio, bas naprotiv, verujem da si vecinu uveseljavao, jer ipak
si bio citan na preko 40 BBS_ova.
A kako kazes, da si sve ovo pisao u nameri da NAJVECI pokrenu nesto
u ovoj drzavi, da krene na bolje, to predji u mail sa Pedjom, ili
ga nazovi teleonom, pa se lepo ispricajte o toj temi, saradnji i sl.
Sima..
... Odrastao - onaj ko je dovoljno mator da zna bolje.
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
email.1879postmast,
From: msimas@setnet.co.yu (Sima Milovanovic)
Subject: Re: Kosovo
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 10:38:07
-=> Quoting Asli Djuricin to All <=-
OP>More bre te Siptare treba sve istrebiti i poslati ih nazad odakle su i
AD> Nadam se da ce odgovorni u SetNet-u povesti malo vise racuna o ovim
AD> stvarima, kako ne bih morao da demantujem samog sebe, posto sam za
AD> SetNet u jednom casopisu napisao kako je to mreza u kojoj se ljudi
AD> zabavljaju, saznaju nesto novo i razmenjuju misljenja bez ogranicenja i
AD> predrasuda.
AD> Nadam se da ce nadlezni u SetNetu obratiti paznju na ovu poruku i
AD> uticati da se ovakve stvari vise ne tolerisu. Ovo nije prvi put da se
AD> koristi ovakav nacin izrazavanja. Nadam se da je poslednji.
AD> Pozdrav, Ashley.
Dobro si napisao, tako ce i biti. Nadlezni su vec pokrenuli
pitanje nastalog problema, da se isti vise ne ponovi, i
mozes biti siguran da takve stvari necemo tolerisati.
Sima..
... Catch the Blue Wave!
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
email.1880postmast,
From: Milan.Kurtovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Milan Kurtovic)
Subject: Predlog!
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:00:36
-=> Quoting Robert Mileski to All <=-
RM> Dali mozemo da ovu konferenciju preimenovamo u NET.BORBE ili
RM> NET.SVADJE ?
Meni se taj predlog nesvidja iako nije tako los.
Pozdrav, Milan
... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1995
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
email.1881postmast,
From: zoran@setnet.co.yu (Zoran Tomic)
Subject: email
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:02:00
* "Igor Kordic" in message to All wrote:
"K> Mislim da je to preteran korak, ja bi se samo od ovih nesretnih
"K> SETNet-ovaca rado oprostio, od ovih drugih, pretezno sa akademske
"K> mreze, imam stosta da procitam.
"K>
"K> Kada bih samo mogao da kazem nesto kao "conf res *.setnet.co.yu",
"K> ihaaaj... Onda samo moramo da trpimo one jezive kilometarske potpise,
"K> al' to i nije tako strasno...
Bar budi korektan pa reci da je za prepirku potrebno (najmanje) dve strane.
Sa tim "conf res *.setnet.co.yu" postigao bi da citas samo argumente (ako ih
je bilo ko u raspravi i koristio) jedne strane, a ni to ti ne bi pomoglo jer
bi se opet citirale poruke sa SETNet-a. ;) Posto je tu umesan i BC, Durlan,
Panon, ponekad Hobbiton, onda je najbolje da privremeno ignorises poruke sa
postmasta - prepucavanja se kad-tad zavrse.
Druga je stvar ako si patoloski slucaj pa ne podnosis ljude odavde...
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email.1882postmast,
From: Zoran.Doroslovac@f109.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Doroslovac)
Subject: U'NI-net na Oreski
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:41:38
SM> Trebalo bi cesce da se zapitas, ali ti logika i nije bas neka.
SM> Racunas, ako je nama uspelo da napravimo najbolju i najvecu mrezu,
SM> uspece i tebi, pa si se sad nasao u cudu, sto to nikako ne ide.
Pogresan stav.:) Uopste se ne jedim sto je to Vama uspelo i ne zelim da
i meni tako uspe.
Lepo sam rekao da ne zelim da pravim mrezu, zelim da imam dobar bbs.
Mogu i prikljucicu se se svakoj dobroj mrezi. Ne smatram vasu mrezu za tu
kategoriju. Kao profesionalac zeleo sam da uslisim zelje korisnika i da
razmenjujem konf. sa vama bez obzira na probleme koje to donosi.
Najzagrizeniji su mi posle ovih diskusija rekli da odustaju od zahteva.
Da neko ne bi opet pogresno razumeo, nije SetNet kriv. Kriva je levca.
SM> Da ides u drugu, malo ti je kasno, osloni se na tu koju si zavrsio,
SM> a kakve veze imas sa serijom i Radmilovicem, Bog da mu dusu prosti,
SM> ne znam, ali zar ne mislis da bi ti bilo pametnije da se vratis
SM> svojoj radionici?
Mislim, tamo su ljudi kulturniji i normalno razgovaraju. Kad sam kupio
modem nisam ga uzeo zato da se prepirem sa nekim vec da ze zabavim i da
naucim nesto. Posle godinu ipo dana citanja vasih konferencija napisao
sam 15-estak poruka koje su u stilu koji sam i naucio na vasoj mrezi. ne
vidim razlog da se bunis. Reci cu ti i zasto da se ne pitas. Nisam te ni
vredjao ni pljuvao, napisao sam da nije u redu da klinca maltretiras
posto si neki sysop. Kao drugo poruka je bila uopstena mada se
indirektno odnosila na tebe. Sa Radmilovicem nemam veze, osim sto ga
cenim kao velikog coveka i glumca. Primer se odnosio na lik iz serije a
ne na njega. Sve ti ovo znas samo ti je odgovaralo da se pravis necu da
kazem sta, da bi imao razloga da nastavis diskusiju i dokazes kako si
pametan & nadasve duhovit i nacitan pa ces sad ti da me spustis na
zemlju ili ispod gde i pripadam. Nemam nista protiv svako ima pravo na
svoje misljenje. Tvoj odgovor u stilu "sprco godine, nema vaspitanja
domaceg" i sl. odrazava pouzdano vasu dvolicnost u odnosu na vas toliko
cenjeni i izvikani pravilnik. Da ga sad ne citiram (naterali ste me
konacno da ga procitam).
SM> ZD> scenario nisam napisao. Nagledao sam se svega i svacega i moram ti
SM> ZD> reci da su u seriji ublazili stvar. Mogu da se spustim na svaki nivo i
SM> ZD> da razgovaram sa svima kako treba. Ovde dolaze i doktori nauka i
SM> U tome je izgleda i problem, sto ne mozes i da se podignes na visi
SM> nivo, kad razgovaras sa onima koji prevazilaze tvoj.
Vidis za ovaj nivo (tvoj) nemam bezbedan padobran da se spustim pa ne
zelim da reskiram.
Mogu da razgovaram sa kim hocu jer me nije sramota da priznam da nesto
ne znam, spreman sam uvek da nesto naucim ako ima od koga.
(biraj odgovor od ova dva koji ti odgovara)
SM> ZD> Mora da si onda broj 1.
SM> Ako mislis na godine, onda jesam.
Pa ne mozes uzeti samo godine od njega.
SM> Znas ti kakve su ostale, a znas i ko je najveci. Odgovor si dobio
SM> sa zakasnjenjem, jer je te noci, kad je trebalo da ode, u firmi gde
SM> je BBS, nestalo struje, pa je otisla sledece noci. Uostalom, cuo si
SM> da uskoro startuje BG cvor, koji ce razmenjivati postu 24h. pa nece
SM> biti zastoja.
Tu i jeste razlika zasto ne mozemo da se slozimo. Ja sam uzeo UPS koji
radi 6 sati bez struje, ne zato da se hvalim vec da mi radi bbs. Sve sto
ima od opreme kupio sam od postenog rada u majstorskoj radionici i
trudim se da napravim dobar bbs. Iz tog razloga sam uveo pretplatu i
dovucicu sve bozije informacije iz sveta i zemlje da ima za svakog ono
sto mu treba, bio programer bila domacica. Pretplata je pokazala da je
mnogo manji broj ljudi na bbs-u ali je bolje nego pre i to je samo
pocetak. Kad mi neka firma kupi bbs i ja cu se mozda olako odnositi
prema tome, i nece mi biti bitno da li radi u nedelju ili ne radi.
SM> I dalje koristis isti stil, a ciji je on, to prepusti onima koji
SM> te citaju, da to procene.
Prepustam. Samo da bi stekli uvid morali bi da dodju na moj bbs ili da
se vidimo u zivo.
SM> ZD> vremena i nisam nikad reagovao kad god ste u kontekstu "branjenja" od
SM> ZD> bilo koga slucajno naglasavali da je Vnet nikakav i sl. Posle covek
SM> ZD> kaze da se raspao zato sto je bio "dobar" a jos posle izjavi da nikad
SM> Nista nije slucajno, sve se zna.
Udba kao sudba.:) ili Ozna sve dozna.:)
SM> Nadam se da ces i ovo obecanje odrzati, a ne verujem da si ljude
SM> davio, bas naprotiv, verujem da si vecinu uveseljavao, jer ipak
SM> si bio citan na preko 40 BBS_ova.
Onda nije lose, nekom sam uveselio dan. Izvinio sam se onima koji imaju
suprotno misljenje, medju kojima sam i ja.
P.S.
Poslusacu tvoj savet u vezi prepiske, a mogao bi i ti da ga procitas.
Medju ostalim brisao sam neke delove odgovora i sad i prethodni put.
Jer znam da si stariji (ne bas toliko koliko mislis), i nema smisla da
se svadjamo a nismo se videli u zivotu. Da ti pisem privatno nema svrhe
posto nemam nameru da se raspravljam a za javno ovo je postalo blesavo.
■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ PTERODACTIL FIRE-BIRD THUNDER-ZORD POWER
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/109)
email.1883postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: Re: Internet in our home !!!
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:53:21
-+=+- Slobodan Utvic rece : -+=+-
SU> Yuiterneta i hoce li i on biti pregazen skidanjem sankcija i dolaskom
SU> pravog . Jer koliko je poznato zapadne kompanije ne stede vreme i nebi
Nejasno je sta smatras pod pojmom "pregazen"?
SU> razvoju . Svteski trend trenutno je razvoj lokalnih i globalnih mreza .
Vise globalnih.
SU> pocnu prikacivati na YuInt u pravom smislu reci . Najveci problem u
SU> tome je sto je vecina BBS stacionirana po kucama zaludjenih entuzijasta
SU> , vecina sa slabim konfiguracijama , i tesko da bi se oni mogli
SU> preojentisati na neki ozbiljniji sistem ( unix , lynx , Windows NT ,
SU> Windows 95 , OS/2 3.0 ... ) i da bi imali dovolnno sretsava za
SU> uvodjenje Yupak linije .
Hm, od SysOp-a koji ja poznajem redom imaju kompjutere barem 386/4/VGA
A vecina je u klasi 486. To su ozbiljni sistemi.
SU> ( Prelazak u Internet News i tin je kao prelazak sa rucnog slanja i
SU> primanja maila na BWave )
Zavisno sa cega prelazis.... Na sta si mislio?
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email.1884postmast,
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email.1885supers,
-> #1855, postmast>> cd public:[000000.net.internet.www.netscape]
>> Ko kaze da niko ne moze da ih skine... Na UNIX masinama imash
>> uvek systemski /tmp direktorijum u koji je moguce izvrsiti
Hvala puno, sad sam prosvetljen :)
email.1886banga,
-> #1871, postmast> to morate definisati.:))) Slicno bi bilo rad recimo preko PPPa
> ili SLIPa...
Da bas sam na to mislio. Kuma naravno nije bitna, kao VAX ili wax.
email.1888postmast,
From: dcolak@setnet.co.yu (Damir Colak)
Subject: Netscape & Agent
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 10:55:12
Imam slede TwinSock 1.4
Netscape 1.2
Agent 0.55
Elem, NetScape mi konstantno pada. Tj. obia
prenese sa HOSTA neSo, )
Jednostavno ne mogu ni da ga koristim zbog toga...
Jel samo ja imam te probleme ili? Mo Sledge DAMMIR!
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email.1889postmast,
From: dcolak@setnet.co.yu (Damir Colak)
Subject: Netscape & Agent
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 23:26:32
DC> Imam slede TwinSock 1.4
DC> Netscape 1.2
DC> Agent 0.55
DC> Elem, NetScape mi konstantno pada. Tj. obia
DC> prenese sa HOSTA neSo, )
DC> Jednostavno ne mogu ni da ga koristim zbog toga...
DC> Jel samo ja imam te probleme ili? Mo
:)) Kakva poruka :))
Nadam se da ste je razumeli... Ako niste, Netscape i Agent
konstantno obaraju W4WG 3.11 na 386dx sa 4Mb memorije :(
Sledge DAMMIR!
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