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strani.sistemi.1 dejanr,
Tema je posvećena stranim kompjuterskim mrežama i BBS-ovima
strani.sistemi.2 d.petrovic,
Ă> SUTKA. EEEE, osto sam prvi? :) Nisam imao vremena da zavirujem. Ako i jesi nećeš dugo O;)
strani.sistemi.3 marshall,
[ CONF JOIN KOMUNIKACIJE.4 ] [ CONF REPLY 12.1475 ] *> "izvinite na citatu" kao da to rešava problem?! Pa ako se izvinjavaš, *> valjda onda vidiš da je citat prevelik? Jeste prevelik, ali sluzi svrsi !!! Ne bih onoliko citirao da nisam smatrao da je potrebno - a imao sam reply na svaki deo poruke (na jedan nisam i izbacio sam ga iz quote-a)... A i ne smeta svima... P.S.: Nemoj reply - ovako mozemo do sutra...
strani.sistemi.4 zonjic,
evo kako se druze Slovenzi: > ABM-BBS tradicionalna žurka bo v četrtek, 30. septembra od 18 ure dalje v > gostilni Pod Lipco v Ljubljani. Bogate nagrade za nove in stare > naročnike. Eh, kako bi se konobari u Slaviji obradovali ovakvoj nekoj stvari ;)
strani.sistemi.5 ganta,
>> ABM-BBS tradicionalna žurka bo v četrtek, 30. septembra od 18 ure dalje v >> gostilni Pod Lipco v Ljubljani. Bogate nagrade za nove in stare Dok sam bio u Ljubljani, ovo nije bilo neko 'IN' mesto :)
strani.sistemi.6 korvin,
­­>> Dok sam bio u Ljubljani, ovo nije bilo neko 'IN' mesto :) Nije ni Slavija neko 'in' mesto, ali ljudima je tamo lepo dok su zajedno :)
strani.sistemi.7 nemo,
neko je pominjao ECHO - evo preliminarnih informacija (u temi strani.sistemi a ne yu.bbs!) Name...........:Echo (LUXEMBOURG) NUA............:2704 4811 2 Time charge....:None Sign-up........:None Subscription...:None Online software:No Telex..........:No Contact........:Štype: Dianee (for english), Dianef (french), Dianei (italian)Ć Features.......:European Commission Host Organisation ako treba jos detalja o bazama podataka, procedurama pristupa, mogucnostima sistema, cenama (sve baze su besplatne osim najvrednije - Tender Electronic Daily), recite (treba mi malo vremena da otkucam) le capitaine nemo
strani.sistemi.8 snemcev,
>> ako treba jos detalja o bazama podataka, procedurama pristupa, >> mogucnostima sistema, cenama (sve baze su besplatne osim najvrednije >> - Tender Electronic Daily), recite (treba mi malo vremena da otkucam) Mislim da bi bilo vrlo korisno.
strani.sistemi.9 stigor,
>> ako treba jos detalja o bazama podataka, procedurama pristupa, >> mogucnostima sistema, cenama (sve baze su besplatne osim najvrednije - >> Tender Electronic Daily), recite (treba mi malo vremena da otkucam) Pa trebalo bi ... Ako te ne mrzi, salji ...
strani.sistemi.10 dejanr,
Da li je neko skoro uspeo da dobije QSD? Izgleda da ne radi (?)
strani.sistemi.11 zonjic,
> Da li je neko skoro uspeo da dobije QSD? Izgleda da ne radi (?) Dejane, ima par cudnih stvari u vezi │sa QSD-om: 1) ako se ne varam pise access barred (to bar = zagraditi, zabraniti ogradom!) 2) miroslav hristodulo mi rece da sumnja na to da je promenjen NUA 3) nemam podatke o pristupu/nepristupu iz recimo SLO... Zna li neko nesto o QSD, Rade p.s. fali "?" u poslednjoj recenici ;) - inace, ja zaista ne koristim psipad za qsd :-)
strani.sistemi.12 dejanr,
>> 1) ako se ne varam pise access barred (to bar = zagraditi, zabraniti >> ogradom!) Da... mada te poruke ja ne uzimam mnogo ozbiljno, negde u paketnoj mreži nastupi nekakva greška i onda to VAX pokušava da prevede u neku "humanu" rečenicu. Meni se više puta desilo da, recimo, zovem BIX i onda mi jednom javi "access barred", drugi put "system is out of order", treći put "network con..." uh, ona grozna reč što nikad ne znam kako se piše ;), tek za u suštini istu grešku nekoliko raznih poruka.
strani.sistemi.13 .bale.,
> "network con..." uh, ona grozna reč što nikad ne znam kako se piše ;), Congestion, odnosno kondžeščn :) Mreža pretrpana ;-), in prevod. Mislim, nije toliko nezgodna za pamćenje...
strani.sistemi.14 vujos,
¨> Da li je neko skoro uspeo da dobije QSD? Izgleda da ne radi (?) Nema šansone da se pođe do tamo, već nekih dva meseca. BTW da pitam: Kako se sa Pegasusa može poslati mail za Ameriku? Kada šaljem odavde ide ovako: UBBG::IN%"ime%ENVMSA.EAS.ASU.EDUčFON"
strani.sistemi.15 dejanr,
>> BTW da pitam: Kako se sa Pegasusa može poslati mail za Ameriku? >> Kada šaljem odavde ide ovako: UBBG::IN%"ime%ENVMSA.EAS.ASU.EDUčFON" Pegasus ne dopušta slanje maila van samog Pegasusa, osim ako im platiš i to unapred. I to po prilično groznoj ceni, mislim da se dobija kada sa MAIL> prompta kažeš HELP INTERNET ili tako nešto. Inače, adresa bi, verujem, bila in%"ime@ENVMSA.EAS.ASU.EDU"
strani.sistemi.16 a.kircanski,
_-=> Da li je neko skoro uspeo da dobije QSD? Izgleda da ne radi _-=> (?) Ja nisam, probao sam 100x, ali bogami ne radi :-( btw, koja je njegova internet adresa? sale.
strani.sistemi.17 a.kircanski,
_-=> Kada šaljem odavde ide ovako: _-=> UBBG::IN%"ime%ENVMSA.EAS.ASU.EDUčFON" Sa pegazuza nećeš moći da šalješ u ameriku, ako nisi platio kolko ja znam. A inače internet adresa toga što si naveo je imečenvmsa.eas.asu.edu Sale.
strani.sistemi.18 dejanr,
>> btw, koja je njegova internet adresa? Koliko znam, nije na Internetu.
strani.sistemi.19 m.hristodulo,
>>> Da li je neko skoro uspeo da dobije QSD? Izgleda >>> da ne radi (?) >> 2) miroslav hristodulo mi rece da sumnja na to da >> je promenjen NUA Kad sam ja zadnji put pokušao da dobijem QSD javljeno mi je 'remote DTE is not obtainable'. Bar deset - dvadest puta sam dobio ovu poruku. Ranije se javljala 'acces barred'. 'Not obtainable' poruka se javlja kad pokušate da dobijete nepostojeći broj. Na primer 'set host /x29 000' daje u dlaku isti izveštaj. Obtainable znači 'onaj koji se može dobiti'. Iz svega ovoga zaključujem da je broj promenjen, ili da ne radi više na paketnoj mreži. Možda ih je njihova pošta isključila jer nisu platili račune, ;)).
strani.sistemi.20 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! Cujem (vidim :) ) da se ovde prica o QSD-u i nemogucnosti njegovog dobijanja. Moram priznati da nisam probao, ali sam iz razgovora s' nekim Portugalcem dosao do broja koji on koristi da dobije QSD (dobija ga svaki dan !!). Broj (NUA) je: 02080570405840 Unapred se izvinjavam ako sam nesto lupio. Mislim, broj je tacan, ali ja nemam pojma sta koja cifra znaci, pa ovo mozda vazi samo za Portugal. BTW, jel' bi mog'o neko od vas da mi kaze sta znace ti brojevi ?? Ja sam pokusao da vam pomognem, zar ne ?? Ajde please.... Vazna je dobra volja.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.21 dejanr,
>> Moram priznati da nisam probao, ali sam iz razgovora s' nekim >> Portugalcem dosao do broja koji on koristi da dobije QSD (dobija ga >> svaki dan !!). Broj (NUA) je: >> >> 02080570405840 To bi značilo da se NUA promenio i da sada glasi 62080570405840 (kod nas je "izlazak iz zemlje" 6 a ne 0). To se razlikuje od starog broja, koji je bio 6208057040540 - dodali su jednu osmicu. Vredi probati sa tim novim brojem, verovatno je ovim problem rešen. Hvala na informaciji!
strani.sistemi.22 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! Izvinjavam se ako sam 'malo' omasio temu, al' ajd' sad. :) Dakle, da li moze preko onog Sezamovog UUCP da se i prima posta preko Interneta ?? Ne mora da bude iz inostranstva, moze i odavde iz BG. So, Zonjicu moj dragi :)), da li mogu da se ulogujem na Osmeh, pa da ostavim nekom na Sezamu mail ?? Ili jos bolje, da se ulogujem na BUEF pa da posaljem na Sezam ?? Ili NAJBOLJE :)))), da se ulogujem na nesto sto je povezano sa Osmeh-om (preko Interneta) i da sa (recimo opet BUEF-a) saljem mail na Sezam preko Osmeha ??!! Znam da zvuci malo (do malovise :) ) zbunjujuce, al' ja veze nemam o cemu se ovde radi :), pa mi treba neko objasnjenje 'za debile' !! :)))) Ne, nisam debil.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.23 mdukic,
Hi, da li neko moze da mi objasni proceduru pristupanja INTERNET-u, da li ima direktnih telefona,a ako nema kako to onda ide, da li se placa... Svaka informacija je dobrodosla. Hvala.
strani.sistemi.24 dejanr,
>> da li neko moze da mi objasni proceduru pristupanja INTERNET-u, da li >> ima direktnih telefona,a ako nema kako to onda ide, da li se placa... Savetovao bih ti da download-uješ ZEN-10.ZIP iz direktorijum INFO - tu ćeš naći dosta detaljnu priču o Internetu. Internet nije neki računar ili BBS koji bi imao pristupne telefone - to je vreža više desetina hiljada računara širom sveta koji razmenjuju poštu, neke konferencije, fajlove itd. Neki od tih računara obezbeđuju besplatan pristup, negde se pristup plaća, do nekih se dolazi telefonom, do drugih paketnom mrežom... ukratko, veliko raznovrsje.
strani.sistemi.26 dejanr,
>> Dakle, da li moze preko onog Sezamovog UUCP da se i prima posta preko >> Interneta Ne mora da bude iz inostranstva, moze i odavde iz BG. Može... za to UUCP pošta i služi. Samo što je to sve za sada u fazi testiranja. >> da li mogu da se ulogujem na Osmeh, pa da ostavim >> nekom na Sezamu mail ?? Ili jos bolje, da se ulogujem na BUEF pa >> da posaljem na Sezam ?? Ili NAJBOLJE :)))), da se ulogujem na >> nesto sto je povezano sa Osmeh-om (preko Interneta) i da sa >> (recimo opet BUEF-a) saljem mail na Sezam Da, da, da, sve to može :) Jedino što se ne šalje preko osmeh-a nego preko fon-a.
strani.sistemi.27 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! ║║║ Da, da, da, sve to moze :) Jedino sto se ne salje preko osmeh-a nego ║║║ preko fon-a. Hm, sve je to lepo, ali ZASTO NE MOZE PREKO Osmeh-a ??!! BUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAA !! Pa ja imam racun samo na Osmehu. Osim toga, zonjic mi rece da nema NIKAKVE razlike izmedju FON-a i Osmeh-a !! I smejem se, a plakao bih.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.28 dejanr,
>> ali ZASTO NE MOZE PREKO Osmeh-a ??!! BUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAA !! Ama možeš sa osmeh-a da šalješ mail, ali to interno posle ide preko fon-a.
strani.sistemi.30 slom,
>ces naci dosta detaljnu pricu o Internetu. Internet nije neki racunar ili >BBS koji bi imao pristupne telefone - to je vreza vise desetina hiljada >racunara sirom sveta koji razmenjuju postu, neke konferencije, fajlove Kad smo vec kod Internet-a, pre neki dan sam citao jedan clanak o istoriji mreza, i evo kako se kretao broj hostova na Internet-u od avgusta '81. Date Hosts 08/81 213 08/83 562 10/85 1,961 12/87 28,174 10/89 159,000 10/90 313,000 10/91 617,000 10/92 1,136,000 07/93 1,776,000 Dakle, danas blizu 2 miliona hostova, odnosno oko 13170 regionalnih, nacionalnih i internacionalnih mreza. E sad, koji su kriterijumi da se host/mreza smatra da je na Internet-u to ne pise, a cini mi se da je stvar prilicno diskutabilna. sm
strani.sistemi.31 a.kircanski,
_-=> Da, da, da, sve to može :) Jedino što se ne šalje preko _-=> osmeh-a nego preko fon-a. A da li sve ide preko fon-a? cak i sa UNS(UofNS)?
strani.sistemi.32 m.hristodulo,
>> A da li sve ide preko fon-a? cak i sa UNS(UofNS)? Sve ide preko @fon.fon.uni-bg.yu računara! Ta mašina razmeni dva puta dnevno poštu sa kalifornijskim računarom @moumee.calstatela.edu.
strani.sistemi.33 dejanr,
>> A da li sve ide preko fon-a? cak i sa UNS(UofNS)? Sav mail u svet/iz sveta preko tog kanala "prođe" kroz FON, mada bi moglo da se kaže da ide i preko UBBG-a jer FON "pozove" UBBG pa preko njegovog JUPAK priključka ide dalje u svet. PS Pošto smo se već ovako lepo snašli, baš bi mogli da nam vrate Bitnet pa da se manje mučimo ;)
strani.sistemi.34 stigor,
>> Sve ide preko čfon.fon.uni-bg.yu računara! >> Ta mašina razmeni dva puta dnevno poštu sa >> kalifornijskim računarom čmoumee.calstatela.edu. Znaci kad saljem postu u svet adresa bi trebalo da izgleda ovako (ispravi me ako gresim): - adresa kome saljem postu je npr. chrisčwugate.wustl.edu UBBG::IN%"chris%wugate.wustl.edučfon" E sad kad primam postu pojma nemam koja mi je adresa ( moj username na UNSIMU je ISTANOJ) ranije je bila: istanoj%unsimčyubgef51.bitnet - kako bi trebalo da izgleda sada? Help!...
strani.sistemi.35 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! şşş Ama mozes sa osmeh-a da saljes mail, ali to interno posle ide şşş preko fon-a. :))) Da, rece mi Zonja posle :))). Jadan ti mora da si poludeo. :)) Jel' bilo nesto u stilu 'Pa ovaj stvarno nije normalan !!' ?? :))) Ja lepo rekoh da sto se tih stvari tice, BLAGE VEZE NEMAM !! Sem toga, zar nisam ja zamolio za neko objasnjenje onih silnih cifara u NUA-ima ?? Pa dajte ljudi, oglasite se. Konferencije su za to da glupi i/ili bespomocni pitaju, a pametni odgovaraju !! :))))))))))) Ja sam bespomocan.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.36 .bale.,
> Kad smo vec kod Internet-a, pre neki dan sam citao jedan clanak > o istoriji mreza, i evo kako se kretao broj hostova na Internet-u od > avgusta '81. Ima li još nekih podataka, na primer zastupljenost OS-ova, mašina itd?
strani.sistemi.37 .bale.,
Ne znam gde se beše pominjao QSD, ali sam danas saznao caku. Onaj stari broj i dalje važi, ali je, izgleda, u nama problem, tj. onom "from Serbia"... Treba zvati iz inostranstva, na primer preko nekog crec servisa... Regards from .bale. ! #:*)+-<
strani.sistemi.38 .bale.,
> Ta mašina razmeni dva puta dnevno poštu sa > kalifornijskim računarom @moumee.calstatela.edu. Samo dvaput? BTW, odakle se kupi news i koliko puta dnevno?
strani.sistemi.39 .bale.,
> istanoj%unsimčyubgef51.bitnet > > - kako bi trebalo da izgleda sada? Profesor Boža Radenković je pre neki dan poslao obimno obaveštenje u vezi sa adresama. Hajde neka to neko prenese ovde (ja ću ako stignem).
strani.sistemi.40 dejanr,
>> Sem toga, zar nisam ja zamolio za neko objasnjenje onih silnih cifara >> u NUA-ima ?? Pa dajte ljudi, oglasite se. Smisao je sličan smislu cifara u telefonskom broju - prvih par je nekakva centrala, a ostatak je tvoj broj u okviru te centrale. Dakle, mnogo smisla nemaju. Recimo, broj: 6310690157800: ono 6 je "izlaz iz YU" (u većini drugih zemalja to je 0, a negde možda ima i drugih varijanti), 3106 je oznaka mreže Tymnet a 90157800 je broj BIX-a na Tymnetu.
strani.sistemi.41 stigor,
>> Profesor Boža Radenković je pre neki dan poslao obimno obaveštenje >> u vezi sa adresama. Hajde neka to neko prenese ovde (ja ću ako >> stignem). Ajd .bale. prenesi (obavestenje), potrebno mi je podhitno ... Thanx ...
strani.sistemi.42 a.kircanski,
_-=> Samo dvaput? BTW, odakle se kupi news i koliko puta dnevno? Kakav news? Usenet?
strani.sistemi.43 a.kircanski,
_-=> zvati iz inostranstva, na primer preko nekog crec servisa... Kako misliš da zoveš preko crec-a, kad nemaju internet adresu?
strani.sistemi.44 enterprise,
> So, Zonjicu moj dragi :)), da li mogu da se ulogujem na Osmeh, > pa da ostavim Da li bi neko mogao da mi da tel. Osmeha ? :)
strani.sistemi.45 niklaus,
(:> Sem toga, zar nisam ja zamolio za neko objasnjenje onih (:> silnih cifara u NUA-ima ?? Pa dajte ljudi, oglasite se. (:> Konferencije su za to da glupi i/ili bespomocni pitaju, a (:> pametni odgovaraju !! :))))))))))) (:> (:> Ja sam bespomocan.... CENZURISANI. Da ne pripadaš, možda, ovoj prvoj grupi. (; ...eto i ja se prijavljujem kao neznalica. Jel' mi potreban (neophodan) pristup JUPAKu, za obrtanje NUAa? Ako jeste, onda - BUA! (: (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.46 m.hristodulo,
>> Sem toga, zar nisam ja zamolio za neko >> objasnjenje onih silnih cifara u NUA-ima ?? Izvod iz JUPAK.INF (dobija se na NUA 11110002222) : ==================================================== 7. POZIVNI BROJEVI ZA INOSTRANE MREZE ZA PRENOS PODATAKA Planom numeracije propisanim od CCITT-a (preporuka X.121) tacno su definisani formati i duzina internacionalnog pretplatnickog broja. Duzina internacionalnog broja ne prelazi 14 cifara. Na slici koja sledi, data su dva formata internacionalnih brojeva terminalnih uredjaja. Prvi se odnosi na neintegrisani nacionalni plan numeracije, a drugi na integrisani. -|-----------|- -|------------------------------------------|- P + | DNIC | + | Terminalni broj | -|-----------|- -|------------------------------------------|- 4 cifre do 10 cifara -|-------| -|----------------------------------------------|- P + | DCC | + | Nacionalni broj (pocinje sa 4 cifrom DNIC-a) | -|-------| -|----------------------------------------------|- 3 cifre do 11 cifara P - Internacionalni prefiks DNIC - Data Network Identificatino Code (Pozivni broj mreze) DCC - Data Country Code (Pozivni broj zemlje) Prefiks za medjunarodni poziv u JUPAK mrezi je 6. DNIC za JUPAK mrezu je 2201. Cetvrta cifra DNIC-a (1) predstavlja prvu cifru nacionalnog broja, sto znaci da nacionalna numeracija u mrezi JUPAK pocinje sa cifrom 1. ====================================================
strani.sistemi.47 m.hristodulo,
>> - adresa kome saljem postu je npr. >> chrisčwugate.wustl.edu >> >> UBBG::IN%"chris%wugate.wustl.edučfon" ++++ Kada se šalje preko UBBG::IN%, onda je adresa FON-a '@fon.uucp', što se može skratiti na '@fon'. Kada se šalje preko UBBG::SMTP%, onda je adresa FON-a '@fon.fon.uni-bg.yu', što se može skratiti na '@fon.fon'. >> istanoj%unsimčyubgef51.bitnet >> >> - kako bi trebalo da izgleda sada? >> istanoj%unsim%fon.uucp@moumee.calstatela.edu Valjda?
strani.sistemi.48 m.hristodulo,
>> Samo dvaput? BTW, odakle se kupi news i koliko >> puta dnevno? Kad malo bolje razmislim... ;) čini mi se da sam negde čuo da se taj uucp link ostvaruje preko UBBG-a i paketne mreže. žak je Nikola Malenović predlagao da se mi povežemo u svetski InterNet preko @moumee računara. Vraški dobar predlog! ;)
strani.sistemi.49 m.hristodulo,
>> Kako misliš da zoveš preko crec-a, kad nemaju >> internet adresu? Ti CDC servisi, širom zemljine kugle, imaju i neke X.25 gatewayove, mada prilično lokalnog dometa. Evo spiska hostova koji se mogu dobiti sa CDC servisa iz Nemačke, preko X.25 mreže: ==================================================== x25/display_x25_services Service Name Remote DTE Address A03 45050280803 BAS 45050386001 BIB 45050385303 BONN 45050211209 BWBIB 45050060018 C2 10003320 CERN 02284681140510 CERNVM 45050354031 CERNVX 45050354030 CNET 45050986023 CNVE 45050384022 COSMO 45511090835 CRAY 45050080005 DANET 45050060020 DAP 023421920010069 DBI 45050030002 DBIB 4505016003 DERIOC1 10003320 DESY 45050354001 DESY10 45050354010 DESY6 45050354006 DFINF 45050130015 DIM 45050010100 DIMDI 45050010100 DKRZ 45050250602 DLR 45050080004 DSB 0311061200046 DXP 45050384000 E345 45050385345 ECHO 0270448112 EICH 45050080006 EUKOM 0272431001992 FIZ 45050362014 FRAUN 45050080003 FUH 45050315010 FUHI 45050315051 GMD 45050211306 GMDDA 45050363005 GSI 45050060010 GWDGIL 45050352003 GWDGIS 45050352004 GWDGV 45050352008 HFK 45050365140 HIT 45050311010 HLRZ 45050210370 HPN 20100010 IBMX 45050385110 INFOSYS 45050130015 IVAX 45050384360 JENA 45050334601 JLUG 45050261201 KFAJL 45050210346 KFAJS 45050210370 KIEL 45050356020 KOBIB 45050261810 LN 45050384050 LRZ 45050987000 LRZ3 45050987001 LRZ6 45050987006 LRZEE 45050987001 MARB 45050361001 MI10 45050384410 MI20 45050384420 MPIGA1 45050080001 MPIGA2 45050080002 MPIST 45050060019 PITTS 0311041200673 QOM 45050130015 R01 45050381115 RRZN 45050250201 RUBA 45050310901 RUBB 45050310903 RUBBIB 45050310115 RUSIB 45050367150 RUSINF 45050367111 RUSVX2 45050367102 S 45050386001 SOLVER 0311061200260 STBV 45050386700 STN 45050362014 TB 45621040000 TELNET 45050986023 TUBS 45050351021 TUCC 0311091900030 VANC 0302067200040 VAX 45050280501 VECHTA 45050050002 WUE1 45050383111 WUE4 45050383114 WUE5 45050383115 WUE6 45050383116 YMP 45050987006 ZIB02 45050331002 ZRZ2 45050333172 ZRZ3 45050333173 ZRZ9 45050333179 Unlimited access ====================================================
strani.sistemi.50 dejanr,
>> Da li bi neko mogao da mi da tel. Osmeha ? :) Nema direktan broj, uzmi iz SRBBS.TXT broj FON-a, pozovi pa kada se pojavi login: otkucaj osmeh. ^ kraj rečenice a ne nešto što treba kucati :)
strani.sistemi.51 dejanr,
>> ...eto i ja se prijavljujem kao neznalica. Jel' mi potreban >> (neophodan) pristup JUPAKu, za obrtanje NUAa? Ako jeste, onda - BUA! (: BUA!
strani.sistemi.52 dejanr,
>> žak je Nikola Malenović predlagao da se mi >> povežemo u svetski InterNet preko @moumee računara. >> Vraški dobar predlog! ;) Dobar, ako si raspoložen da platiš liniju sa USA koja bi bila zakupljena 24 sata dnevno. Ako bi tom prilikom mogao nekako i sankcije da ukineš, onda još bolje :)
strani.sistemi.53 cobra,
<> Da li bi neko mogao da mi da tel. Osmeha ? :) Na Osmeh ideš preko broja FON-a, 237-2392 i 237-2393. Kada ispiše 'login: ' napišeš osmeh.
strani.sistemi.54 .bale.,
> _-=> Samo dvaput? BTW, odakle se kupi news i koliko puta dnevno? > > Kakav news? Usenet? Aha.
strani.sistemi.55 .bale.,
> _-=> zvati iz inostranstva, na primer preko nekog crec servisa... > > Kako misliš da zoveš preko crec-a, kad nemaju internet adresu? Pa ono, crec x25 sd='x.25 adresa'.
strani.sistemi.56 stigor,
>> Kada se šalje preko UBBG::IN%, onda je adresa >> FON-a 'čfon.uucp', što se može skratiti na 'čfon'. >> Kada se šalje preko UBBG::SMTP%, onda je adresa FON-a >> 'čfon.fon.uni-bg.yu', što se može skratiti na >> 'čfon.fon'. Moze i sa earn"nikola%cs.uwp.edučfon" >> istanoj%unsim%fon.uucpčmoumee.calstatela.edu >> Valjda? Ovo sto si poslao, trebalo bi da bude tacno. Ima najvise izgleda da prodje, provericu ...
strani.sistemi.57 slom,
> Ima li jos nekih podataka, na primer zastupljenost OS-ova, > masina itd? Na zalost nema, a bilo bi jako zanimljivo videti kako stoje stvari u tom pogledu. sm
strani.sistemi.58 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! şşş Izvod iz JUPAK.INF (dobija se na NUA şşş 11110002222) : Eh, dragi moj Hriste :), procit'o sam ja vec taj izvod, tj. ceo tekst, al' mi nista nije bilo jasno !! :(( Zato sam i postavio ono pitanje (na koje ti 'kao' odgovaras :) ). So, hvala na trudu (oduzicu se :) ), al' mi ne vredi.... Sta vise, tvoj odgovor kao da kaze 'You asked for it !!' :))))) No, dejra................. ahem, kah, hm... Dakle dejanR :) se covek vec lepo potrudio i dao malo 'ljudskiji' odgovor tako da sam pohvat'o neke stvari. Naucicu i ja, a onda.... CENZURISANI. P.S. (sam sebi odgovaram :) ).... a te 2029 godine ces ti vec biti mrtav. :)))))))))))))
strani.sistemi.59 enterprise,
> Nema direktan broj, uzmi iz SRBBS.TXT broj FON-a, pozovi pa > kada se pojavi login: otkucaj osmeh. Fala svima .. :) Sad znam .. :)
strani.sistemi.60 nemo,
==> şşş Izvod iz JUPAK.INF (dobija se na NUA ==> şşş 11110002222) : ==> ==> Eh, dragi moj Hriste :), procit'o sam ja vec taj izvod, tj. ceo ==> tekst, al' mi nista nije bilo jasno !! :(( Zato sam i postavio ono ==> pitanje (na koje ti 'kao' odgovaras :) ). So, hvala na trudu ==> (oduzicu se :) ), al' mi ne vredi.... Sta vise, tvoj odgovor kao da ==> kaze 'You asked for it !!' :))))) uradio sam YUPAC GUIDE FOR ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS (mada beta verziju), ali bi UL istog ovde značio i moje odricanje od autorskih prava na isti ...(tako kažu) za dodatne informacije ---> res sh ili wr ma le cap
strani.sistemi.61 dejanr,
========== ask.bix/internet #2703, from fletch5000, 1560 chars, Thu Oct 14 22:13:29 1993 Comment to 2700. ---------- You can Telnet to many libraries: Here are some in Australia. AUSTRALIA BIBLIOGRAPHIC NETWORK telnet ABN.NLA.GOV.AU 1 At the login prompt, type nla 2 Enter 19 as terminal type for VT100 3 At the On-line Services screen, type 1 4 Type ALL for daily news or just hit RETURN otherwise 5 Enter a valid ABN account name (requires account) Exit? telnet escape key AUSTRALIAN DEFENCE FORCE ACADEMY University of New South Wales Campbell, ACT 2601 telnet LIBRARY.ADFA.OZ.AU or telnet 131.236.1.13 Description: The Defence Academy Library enquiry system provides access to the libraries catalog. The library has approximately 300,000 volumes with collection strengths in military history and Australiana. 1. When prompted for a destination, enter LIBRARY 2. When asked to login, type E Exit? Pick X option from the main menu AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL UNIVERSITY Location: Canberra Australia telnet LIBRARY.ANU.EDU.AU Login: library Exit? telnet escape key CURTIN UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY Location: Bentley, WA Australia telnet CC.CURTIN.EDU.AU or telnet 134.7.70.1 Username: GUEST Enter A for VT100 emulation Exit? Enter E DEAKIN UNIVERSITY Location: Geelong, Victoria Australia telnet LIBRARY.DEAKIN.OZ.AU or telnet 128.184.1.1 Login: (lower case) Exit? return ~. return (tilde, dot, return) EDITH COWAN UNIVERSITY Location: Western Australia telnet LIBRARY.UWA.OZ.AU Username: COWANLIB Vt100?: Yes At Welcome screen, press return At next screen, enter # of search to perform There are many, many more. Larry
strani.sistemi.62 a.kircanski,
_-=> You can Telnet to many libraries: Here are some in _-=> Australia. Telnetovo sam na mnoge, možda i na ove, ali nigde nisam primetio da mogu da se žITAJU knjige. Ima li takvog mesta negde?
strani.sistemi.63 bulaja,
││Cak je Nikola Malenovic predlagao da se mi povezemo u svetski ││InterNet preko @moumee racunara. Vraski dobar predlog! ;) │└─── │Dobar, ako si raspolozen da platis liniju sa USA koja bi bila │zakupljena 24 sata dnevno. └─── Zasto bi mi morali da placamo, kad moze i drzava :). Cini mi se da se ovaj problem moze vrlo lako resiti propagandom usmerenom na pravo mesto (npr. neko ministarstvo nauke ili informisanja) u kome se objasnjavaju nasi problemi sa Internetom glede nepravednih sankcija i trazi od ptt besplatna linija za stalnu (ili bar nekoliko sati dnevno) vezu sa USA radi sirenja istine o Srbiji :). Mogu da se kladim da bi dobili liniju u rekordnom roku, samo treba sesti i lepo smisliti poruku nadleznima :).
strani.sistemi.64 zonjic,
> Dobar, ako si raspoložen da platiš liniju sa USA koja bi bila > zakupljena 24 sata dnevno. Ako bi tom prilikom mogao nekako i > sankcije da ukineš, onda još bolje :) Ama, možemo, ali nećemo :-))))) Bolje ovako ;)
strani.sistemi.65 m.hristodulo,
>> Eh, dragi moj Hriste :), procit'o sam ja vec taj >> izvod, tj. ceo tekst, al' mi nista nije bilo >> jasno !! :(( Ja ne vidim šta tu nije jasno. ;))) Šalim se, objasniću ti na Klubu u Subotu. :) >> P.S. (sam sebi odgovaram :) ).... a te 2029 >> godine ces ti vec biti mrtav. ...a vaskrsnuti 40 dana kasnije. Jesam li Hrist ili nisam? :))
strani.sistemi.66 m.hristodulo,
>>>> istanoj%unsim%fon.uucpčmoumee.calstatela.edu >> Ima najvise izgleda da prodje, provericu ... Ja proverio već, može! :)
strani.sistemi.67 niklaus,
(:> radi sirenja istine o Srbiji :). Mogu da se kladim da bi (:> dobili liniju u rekordnom roku, samo treba sesti i lepo (:> smisliti poruku nadleznima :). A kad se napiše, predlažem peticiju... (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.68 spantic,
> radi sirenja istine o Srbiji :). Mogu da se kladim da bi dobili liniju u > rekordnom roku, samo treba sesti i lepo smisliti poruku nadleznima :). A ja ti mogu reći da si preveliki optimista. Koliko znam stanje po nadležnim ministarstvima se nije promenilo nabolje nikako od 1991. prema tome,teško.
strani.sistemi.69 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! şşş radi sirenja istine o Srbiji :). Mogu da se kladim da bi şşş dobili liniju u rekordnom roku, samo treba sesti i lepo şşş smisliti poruku nadleznima :). Ideja je (i pored onih smiley-ja) u sustini jako lepa, i sto je jos vaznije izvodljiva. Problem, medjutim, nije u tekstu koji treba dostaviti, problem je u osobi kojoj to treba dostaviti !! Naime, tako nesto ne treba ni pokusavati bez neke debele veze, tj. nekog ko takvu ideju moze da progura (u najvisim krugovima :) ). Odnosno, ukoliko neko od Sezamovaca ima ujaka u vladi (i ako sme to da kaze :)))))))) ), onda on sa dve-tri reci moze da ucini mnooogoooo vise od mojih 20 kucanih strana nekog predloga ili molbe !! A na kraju krajeva, moze to i da se podmiti.... :)) Para vrti gde burgija nece.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.70 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! şşş ...a vaskrsnuti 40 dana kasnije. Jesam li şşş Hrist ili nisam? :)) :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Ne, Malisa, B O G si !! :))))))) Boze, kakav car.... CENZURISANI. P.S. Sto ce reci, k'o stvoren za klub (programera il' zajeb*nata dodje ti isto :))) )
strani.sistemi.71 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! şşş >>>> istanoj%unsim%fon.uucpZmoumee.calstatela.edu S T R A S N O !! Secam se da mi je keva jednom objasnjavala kako se sije plete, veze i tako to. Bilo mi je daleko jasnije !! BRE, ne znam ni dal' tamo nesto pise il' covek nije dobro podesio kodni raspored !! :) So, Hriste :), ako li mi ne objasnis ovo u Klubu.... ....pocecu da vezem.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.72 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! Dejane, sta bi na kraju sa QSD ?? Javi se.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.73 dejanr,
>> Dejane, sta bi na kraju sa QSD ?? Nemam pojma, izgleda da se ne može odavde zvati. A i nije bio nešto (tzv. sindrom kiselo grožđe ;>)
strani.sistemi.74 spantic,
Spisak i opis najvećih FTP mesta. Verzija 3.1. Preporučujem uz MVIEW 1.0 modern31.zip
strani.sistemi.75 spantic,
> A i nije bio nešto (tzv. sindrom kiselo grožđe ;>) Još gore! Sindrom čitanja privatne pošte. Ne znam da li su i tamo promenili upravu, ali behu pristojniji nekada.
strani.sistemi.76 kaun,
> Naime, tako nesto ne treba ni pokusavati bez neke debele > veze, tj. nekog ko takvu ideju moze da progura (u najvisim > krugovima :) ). Odnosno, ukoliko neko od Sezamovaca ima > ujaka u vladi (i ako sme to da kaze :)))))))) ), onda on > sa dve-tri reci moze da ucini mnooogoooo vise od mojih > 20 kucanih strana nekog predloga ili molbe !! Više ne pomažu ni rodbinske veze sa Vladom Crne Gore. Možda da se povežemo sa Podgoričkim Univerzitetom (zamalo da napišem "*itogradskim"), a pošto se oni otcepljuju, eto nama izlaza (preko mora, tamo daleko...). Jedina je novolja što oni preferiraju Italiju umesto Kalifornije. > A na kraju krajeva, moze to i da se podmiti.... :)) > Para vrti gde burgija nece.... CENZURISANI. Da si OTPISANI možda bi i moglo :))
strani.sistemi.77 kaun,
> Naime, tako nesto ne treba ni pokusavati bez neke debele > veze, tj. nekog ko takvu ideju moze da progura (u najvisim > krugovima :) ). Odnosno, ukoliko neko od Sezamovaca ima > ujaka u vladi (i ako sme to da kaze :)))))))) ), onda on > sa dve-tri reci moze da ucini mnooogoooo vise od mojih > 20 kucanih strana nekog predloga ili molbe !! Više ne pomažu ni rodbinske veze sa Vladom Crne Gore. Možda da se povežemo sa Podgoričkim Univerzitetom (zamalo da napišem "*itogradskim"), a pošto se oni otcepljuju, eto nama izlaza (preko mora, tamo daleko...). Jedina je nevolja što oni preferiraju Italiju umesto Kalifornije. > A na kraju krajeva, moze to i da se podmiti.... :)) > Para vrti gde burgija nece.... CENZURISANI. Da si OTPISANI možda bi i moglo :))
strani.sistemi.78 .obj,
(CIVILIZACIJA.4:film, 7.63, dr.grba) > Koji je izvor ovih tekstova? Internet? Preciznije - Usenet, a još preciznije - grupa rec.arts.movies.reviews. :)
strani.sistemi.79 .obj,
Pri čitanju Usenet poruka, pojavljuje se jedan problemčić, a to je da su ljudi smislili news readere kao programe u kojima bi se zaista *čitale* poruke. Međutim, postoji puno razloga da se poruke ne čitaju on-line, već da se kulturno prebace u neku datoteku i čitaju na miru "kod kuće". Ako koristite trn, možda će vam se dopasti ovaj program. On, inače, koristi podatke iz datoteke .newsrc u vašem home direktorijumu da bi prebacio sve nove poruke u datoteku koju izaberete (default: "pad"). Kako to sve radi? Uđite u trn i učlanite se u grupe koje ubuduće želite da pratite. Kasnije, naravno, možete da dodate i druge grupe. Zatim, kada god želite da pročitate nove poruke, pokrenite batnews i on će sve što je novo lepo prebaciti u datoteku "pad", i to bez ikakvih ESC sekvenci, --MORE--ova i ostalog. Batnews takođe update-uje datoteku .newsrc pa će pri sledećem čitanju biti snimljene samo nove (nepročitane) poruke. Kako se kompajlira? Prenesite datoteku "batnews.c" u vaš home direktorijum, najbolje da to uradite pomoću Kermita, koji pravilno tretira CR/LF-ove. Zatim ga iskompajlirajte: cc batnews.c, mv a.out batnews i sve je spremno za bezbolno čitanje newsa. :) Još ovo: pre kompajliranja je *neophodno* podesiti liniju 26 u batnews.c. Naime, u originalu liniju: *spooldir = "/var/spool/news" treba zameniti tako da odgovara stvarnoj poziciji news-datoteka na "vašem" kompjuteru. Na primer: *spooldir = "/trn/news" ili nešto slično. Takođe, postoji još jedna začkoljica: ukoliko ste iz trn-a pročitali poruke 1-10, 50, batnews će smatrati da ste pročitali sve poruke od 1 do 50. batnews.c
strani.sistemi.80 a.kircanski,
Kako da nateram nn (usenet reader) da mi pošalje određenu poruku tamo odande ga čitam? ja na sistemu iam instaliran samo nn, a znam da je sa rn - $ valjda..
strani.sistemi.81 dr.grba,
>> (CIVILIZACIJA.4:film, 7.63, dr.grba) >> > Koji je izvor ovih tekstova? Internet? >> >> Preciznije - Usenet, a još preciznije - grupa >> rec.arts.movies.reviews. :) Ala bih došao do informacije da ne pratim ovu temu (: Anyway, hvala na istoj.
strani.sistemi.82 dcolak,
Zamolio bih nekoga ko ima pristup FidoNet-u da pošalje pitanje da li je neko video i gde noviju verziju UBBS software-a od 2.09.. Thanx. Da, imam pitanje, koja je moja adresa ako mi neko šalje poštu iz sveta? Ja sam DCOLAK@FON.... Sledge DAMMIR!
strani.sistemi.83 m.hristodulo,
>> Da, imam pitanje, koja je moja adresa ako mi neko >> salje postu iz sveta? Ja sam DCOLAK@FON.... dcolak%fon.uucp@moumee.calstatela.edu
strani.sistemi.84 vujos,
Hej, ima li neko broj nekog BBS-a u Phoneixu (Arizona) ? P.S. U svim onim silnim spiskovima koji su 'kačeni' ovde, našao sam out-dialove za Arizonu, ali nigde nema brojeva BBS-ova :(
strani.sistemi.85 spantic,
Treba mi outdial za SAD, area 410. Ako iko ima unapred zahvalan.
strani.sistemi.86 vvidojko,
Da li neko zna ? - Da li u svetu postoji neki BBS koji se bavi iskljucivo elektronikom ili pored HARDVERA I SOFTVERA i elektronikom - Koji su to BBS-ovi ? - I brojeve njihovih modema ili mesto-fail gde mogu da nabavim takve informacije Unapred zahvaljujem
strani.sistemi.87 dejanr,
Kako se održava tačno vreme i kako se, modemom, može doterati sat tako da bude tačan u sekund... ovaj, u milioniti deo sekunda. "Doterivanje" funkcioniše i preko Interneta, ali je tu tačnost nešto slabija jer se ne može predvideti eventualni zastoj koji unosi mreža. NOVOSTI/microb 4.618, 4.619, 4.620 i 4.621.
strani.sistemi.88 dejanr,
Nisam još imao prilike da probam, ali evo nečega što bi moglo biti zanimljivo - kako preko Interneta poslati faks! ========== ask.bix/internet #2749, from a.langmead, 879 chars, Wed Oct 27 10:10:41 1993 Comment to 2739. ---------- This internet fax mail is in development, but it is real. The reason that the phone number fields are reversed is the same reason that the in-addr.arpa reverse domains are reversed. A phone number and an internet address, both have the common fields at the beginning, but domain addressing has the common fields at the end. A phone number 617-xxx-xxxx is automatically known to be an eastern Massachusetts number. xxxx.xxx.com is known to be a commercial site. By reversing the phone number fields, (617-123-4567 to 4567@123.617.faxit.net or whatever the domain is called.) All eastern MA requests while go to a site in charge of Eastern MA (617.faxit.net) and it chooses the the site in charge of that exchange (123.617.faxit.net) to send the fax. In case it wasn't clear, I don't recall what the fax mail domain is, but I'm almost positive that it is not faxit.net. Andrew ========== ask.bix/internet #2809, from mallred, 1852 chars, Fri Nov 5 18:31:23 1993 Comment to 2792. Comment(s). ---------- Well a few days back I had asked for info on internet faxes since I had read something on it and promptly let the efficient office staff here recycle it. What shows up today? The latest UNIX REVIEW (Dec 93) and they have a little article on internet faxes. They are free, but to a limited and growing number of areas. The ones they list are: Australia (either the whole country or just 3 cities, they say both) Netherlands (just Amsterdam) US: the following area codes/areas 202 All of Washington, DC 212 Manhatten and Staten Island NY 301 parts of Southern Maryland 313 University of Michigan 517 (they said 317, but I think they mean 517) parts of this Michigan area 408, 415, 510 most of the San Francisco Bay Area 617 O'Reilly and Cambridge Computer Assoc, Cambridge, MA 718 Queens, Brooklyn, and Bronx NY 818 part of Riverside, CA 909 Chino, Ontario, Pomona, CA 917 misc New York City The complete current list can be had by mailing to tpc-coverage@town.hall.org and more info on remote printing (which is what this started out as) by mailing to tpc-faq@town.hall.org I have mailed for these, but didn't get a response back yet. The faxes can be plain text or in MIME compliant form using postscript or tiff or multipart, etc. This looks like it could be a really fun deal. The article states that the fax providers (which do this out of the kindness of their hearts) can block certain senders, but not receivers. This is to prevent someone from abusing the service while allowing the recipient to get other faxes. The fax sending provider can specify exactly which exchanges it will send to and the routing software will send a failed fax message to one that is going to a invalid address. Also, it will only try 3 times 5 minutes apart to send the fax before it gives up. I'll let everyone know when I find out more. Martin Allred ========== ask.bix/internet #2810, from mallred, 675 chars, Fri Nov 5 18:40:28 1993 Comment to 2809. ---------- Gee, maybe someone might like to know where to send their faxes!! Addressing is as follows: remote-printer.Recipient_Name/Department@2.1.2.1.5.5.5.5.1.4.1.tpc.int This will send a fax to Recipient_Name (replacing the _ with a space) Department (the / becomes a newline) at the phone number 1-415-555-1212 The country code for Australia is 61 and Netherlands is 31. So faxes to those countries would end in 1.6.tpc.int and 1.3.tpc.int, respectively. The phone number goes backwards with dots between all the digits. I'm about to send one, maybe someone else could try some faxes and report back to all of us on how it went. Martin Allred
strani.sistemi.89 dr.grba,
>> Nisam još imao prilike da probam, ali evo nečega što bi moglo biti >> zanimljivo - kako preko Interneta poslati faks! I zamislite sad: "Pošaljite nam peti primerak virmana na fax No.1234567890 ili na Internet, adresa 123.č45678.90"... Šalu na stranu, samo indirektna veza je sa ovom porukom, ali me je uvek intrigiralo pitanje: može li se fax signal preneti u fajl, transponovati nekako elektronski, modemom ili disketom, a potom proslediti nekom faksu? Uopšte ne govorim o smislu ovakvog postupka, nego samo pitam da li je moguće.
strani.sistemi.90 niklaus,
(:> Šalu na stranu, samo indirektna veza je sa ovom porukom, ali me je (:> uvek intrigiralo pitanje: može li se fax signal preneti u fajl, (:> transponovati nekako elektronski, modemom ili disketom, a potom (:> proslediti nekom faksu? Uopšte ne govorim o smislu ovakvog (:> postupka, nego samo pitam da li je moguće. Ako misliš na "regularne" telefax mašine, tipa silne one KXF Onanasonic i sl., rekao bih samo da ni u jednu rupu ne pasuju diskete... Inače (govorimo li o Fax/Modem kompjuKterskim karticama), normalno da je moguće... (: (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.91 .bale.,
Odgovor, ako se ne varam, madamovu. Ne secam se konf/teme... moumee% host -a ucla.edu Trying domain "calstatela.edu" rcode = 3 (Non-existent domain), ancount=0 Trying null domain rcode = 0 (Success), ancount=5 The following answer is not authoritative: ucla.edu 84089 IN NS LANAI.CS.UCLA.EDU ucla.edu 84089 IN NS Maui.CS.UCLA.EDU ucla.edu 84089 IN NS Oahu.CS.UCLA.EDU ucla.edu 84089 IN NS AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL ucla.edu 84089 IN NS OAC-NULL-GW.UCLA.EDU For authoritative answers, see: . 436225 IN NS NS.INTERNIC.NET . 436225 IN NS AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL . 436225 IN NS KAVA.NISC.SRI.COM . 436225 IN NS C.NYSER.NET . 436225 IN NS TERP.UMD.EDU . 436225 IN NS NS.NASA.GOV . 436225 IN NS NIC.NORDU.NET . 436225 IN NS NS.NIC.DDN.MIL Additional information: LANAI.CS.UCLA.EDU 125710 IN A 131.179.128.13 Maui.CS.UCLA.EDU 14084 IN A 131.179.128.11 Maui.CS.UCLA.EDU 14084 IN A 131.179.96.12 Oahu.CS.UCLA.EDU 14084 IN A 131.179.128.12 Oahu.CS.UCLA.EDU 14084 IN A 131.179.64.13 AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL 509691 IN A 128.63.4.82 AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL 509691 IN A 192.5.25.82 OAC-NULL-GW.UCLA.EDU 152749 IN A 128.97.10.5 NS.INTERNIC.NET 436225 IN A 198.41.0.4 KAVA.NISC.SRI.COM 436225 IN A 192.33.33.24 Regards from .bale. ! #:*)+-<
strani.sistemi.92 .bale.,
Kad malo bolje pogledam ono što sam ti poslao, tu nije sve... Uradiću još jednom "host", sa nekim od ponuđenih servera.
strani.sistemi.93 zonjic,
Nekako mi žao da pišem u STRANI.SISTEMI za BBS iz Slovenije :) ali evo ukratko: Samo bih podsetio ljubitelje BBS-ova na ABM BBS u Ljubljani. Juče (tj. u četvrtak) smo u emisiji "Bajt 92" imali prilog o ABM-u. Poenta je sledeća: čim se pristupi i prijavi za račun, pošalje im se jedna OBIžNA RAZGLEDNICA i postaje se registrovani član! Mislim da je jako povoljno, a nije ni loće imati račun na nekom slovenačkom BBS-u. ABM je i na Internetu i na Adrianetu u Histriji i na DECnetu i tako dalje... Dolazi se ovako: tel. 99-386-61-154-156 (valjda 12 linija, ali nisam bas siguran za broj) JUPAK: NUA 62931611003025 i kao Username se napise ABMBBS (siguran sam ;) Rade
strani.sistemi.94 madamov,
> Kad malo bolje pogledam ono što sam ti poslao, tu nije sve... Hvala puno na trudu, nadam se da to nije sve jer ništa od ovoga ne liči na ono što mi je komšinica rekla. Nadam se da ću se uskoro opet čuti s njom pa da proverim još jednom.
strani.sistemi.95 .bale.,
Pre nego što se čuješ, pogledaj ovo što sam zakačio. Ima ga preko 40K. Regards from .bale. ! #:*)+-< ucla.zip
strani.sistemi.96 zonjic,
iz Bajta 92 - priča o ABM BBS-u (tvorac je Boris Horvat) b92_abm.zip
strani.sistemi.97 balsa,
*> tel. 99-386-61-154-156 (valjda 12 linija, ali nisam bas siguran za broj) Zvao sam ovaj broj večeras, ali izgleda da je promenjen....javlja se automat.
strani.sistemi.98 ppekovic,
>> Samo bih podsetio ljubitelje BBS-ova na ABM BBS u Ljubljani. Juče >> (tj. u četvrtak) smo u emisiji "Bajt 92" imali prilog o ABM-u. >> Poenta je sledeća: čim se pristupi i prijavi za račun, pošalje im >> se jedna OBIžNA RAZGLEDNICA i postaje se registrovani član! Kada sam se ja učlanjivao tamo, pisalo je da je za korisnike iz Srbije učlanjivanje besplatno i da ne moraš čak ni razglednicu da šalješ. Paya
strani.sistemi.99 niklaus,
(:> tel. 99-386-61-154-156 (valjda 12 linija, ali nisam bas siguran za (:> broj) Posle obrtanja 99-386-61-154, javlja se automatska centrala (ženski slovenački glas - divno): "Klicna štediljka je premenjena, kličite informacije" (:niklaus:) ps Any update? (:
strani.sistemi.100 madamov,
> Pre nego što se čuješ, pogledaj ovo što sam zakačio. Ima ga preko 40K. Još jednom, veliko hvala.
strani.sistemi.101 m.hristodulo,
>> tel. 99-386-61-154-156 Novi broj ABM BBSa je 1254-156.
strani.sistemi.102 m.hristodulo,
Evo spiska BBSova iz Slovenije, Hrvatske i Srbije. Preuzeto sa ABM BBSa. ╔═══════════════╗ ║ Spisek BBS-ov ║ ╚═══════════════╝ (C) MojsteR BBS, 14.11.1993 ╔═════════╗ naslov delovni telefonska stan- ║Slovenija║ (FidoNet) cas stevilka dardi ╠═════════╩═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ ║ABM-BBS 2:380/102 non-stop (061) 218-663 DS ║ ║ non-stop 1253-041 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1253-047 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1255-136 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1255-024 14400 ║ ║ non-stop 1254-156 2400 ║ ║ non-stop 1254-249 2400 ║ ║ non-stop 1254-073 2400 ║ ║ non-stop 1254-185 2400 ║ ║ non-stop 1254-270 2400 ║ ║ non-stop 1253-269 2400 ║ ║Abota 2:380/116 non-stop (064) 218-983 2400 ║ ║Alien Nation 2:380/124 non-stop (061) 667-863 14400 ║ ║Atlantis non-stop (061) 1251-258 14400 ║ ║ 1251-296 ║ ║ATR 2:380/108 non-stop (061) 322-771 ZyX ║ ║ 17-07 + 1325-018 9600 ║ ║ 17-07 + 1325-007 2400 ║ ║ 17-07 + 1325-021 CC ║ ║Autronic (061) 346-298 ║ ║BIS Scorpion 2:380/135 non-stop (0601) 21-921 ║ ║Center 2:380/125 non-stop (062) 225-617 ZyX ║ ║Champion 22-07 (061) 866-189 2400 ║ ║CodeX 18-04 (068) 24-195 2400 ║ ║DiGitAL CiTY 21-10 (063) 854-440 DS ║ ║FCS 2:380/133 20-09 (064) 215-736 14400 ║ ║Gambit (061) 1320-165 ║ ║GimVic 2:380/107 non-stop (061) 267-940 9600 ║ ║Infobia 2:380/114 non-stop (061) 1686-127 ZyX ║ ║ 16-09 + 1685-541 9600 ║ ║InfoServe 2:380/129 20-07 (063) 831-098 14400 ║ ║Intertrade non-stop (061) 443-355 ║ ║IUS-INFO 2:389/123 non-stop (061) 371-473 14400 ║ ║ non-stop (061) 371-178 14400 ║ * ║Krpan 2:380/104 non-stop (062) 221-574 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 223-165 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 226-424 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 226-624 ZyX ║ ║Marand 2:380/121 non-stop (061) 1682-583 14400 ║ ║ non-stop 1314-161 ZyX ║ ║MDLC 22-07 + (061) 556-831 ║ * ║Medium 21-04 (061) 225-175 2400 ║ ║MegaSoft 2:380/126 non-stop (064) 331-520 ║ ║MicroArt 2:380/100 non-stop (066) 34-986 14400 ║ ║ non-stop 33-816 9600 ║ ║ 15-07 + 37-536 14400 ║ ║ 15-07 + 37-499 ║ ║MlacoM non-stop (061) 1314-204 2400 ║ ║MojsteR 2:380/101 non-stop (068) 323-731 14400 ║ ║ 22-04 322-455 14400 ║ ║Monitor 2:380/118 non-stop (061) 1332-314 14400 ║ ║NewAgeSystem non-stop (061) 268-810 14400 ║ ║Omega 22-24 (061) 374-213 2400 ║ X ║Optimizem 2:380/120 non-stop (067) 23-608 ZyX ║ ║Pony Express non-stop (061) 223-229 14400 ║ ║Power 15-07 304-643 14400 ║ ║ 15-07 304-642 ZyX ║ ║Radio Alfa 2:380/105 non-stop (0602) 42-330 14400 ║ ║Radio Student 2:380/111 non-stop (061) 261-985 14400 ║ ║Repro non-stop (061) 1593-287 14400 ║ ║R.I.S.P. 2:380/103 non-stop (061) 1599-400 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1599-568 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1599-373 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1599-253 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1599-326 ZyX ║ ║ non-stop 1599-423 14400 ║ ║ non-stop 1599-539 14400 ║ ║ non-stop 1599-518 14400 ║ ║Scorpion non-stop (061) 863-236 9600 ║ ║Server 2:380/136 22-07 (064) 217-836 14400 ║ ║Skala 21-24 # (062) 27-414 2400 ║ ║Skrinca 2:380/128 non-stop (0601) 27-384 14400 ║ ║Sound Board 22-07 # 14400 ║ ║Stenar non-stop (061) 1251-156 14400 ║ ║ 1251-196 14400 ║ ║ 1261-040 2400 ║ ║Timing 2:380/134 non-stop (061) 1314-025 14400 ║ ║UnikUm 2:380/112 23-05 (061) 728-014 ║ ║Venpex 2:380/132 non-stop (065) 35-244 9600 ║ ║ZIC 2:380/131 15-06 + (061) 1314-035 14400 ║ ║ 15-06 + (061) 1314-188 14400 ║ ║Yet Another non-stop (061) 551-860 ║ ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ ╔════════╗ ║Hrvatska║ ╠════════╩═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ ║ABM & Zagreb 2:381/104 (041) 535-049 14400 ║ ║ 613-521 14400 ║ ║Alt::BBS 2:381/100 non-stop (058) 320-444 14400 ║ ║Antares 2:381/107 (041) 683-982 ║ ║BUG BBS 2:381/109 non-stop (041) 451-330 DS ║ * ║ non-stop 451-030 2400 ║ ║Bug BBS 2:381/110 non-stop (058) 525-495 2400 ║ * ║ 20-09 525-075 2400 ║ ║FESB 2:381/101 non-stop (058) 311-916 2400 ║ ║G-Box 2:381/102 non-stop (041) 783-866 14400 ║ ║TVRi 2:381/106 non-stop (051) 514-556 2400 ║ ║ non-stop 516-986 14400 ║ ║ non-stop 513-533 14400 ║ ║UnderWorld 2:381/108 (041) 411-995 ║ ╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ ╔══════╗ ║Srbija║ ╠══════╩═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX ║ ║Fenix 2:382/104 (011) 414-312 9600 ║ ║Velcom 2:382/103 (011) 344-263 14400 ║ ╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ ┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │* zadnja novost, sprememba │ │+ v soboto in nedeljo non-stop │ │- v soboto in nedeljo od 7.00 dalje │ │# v petek, soboto in nedeljo │ │X ne deluje, motnje │ ├────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤ │### najvecja hitrost po standardih CCITT │ │ZyX ZyXEL 19200 │ │DS US Robotics Dual Standard (v.32bis, HST 16800) │ │HST US Robotics HST │ │CC CompuCom CSP-EC │ └────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
strani.sistemi.104 dejanr,
>> Evo spiska BBSova iz Slovenije, Hrvatske i Srbije. Preuzeto sa ABM BBSa. Hvala. Ja sam na osnovu tog spiska (ili nekog njegovog izdanja?) pre desetak dana napravio novu verziju EXYUBBS.TXT, ali sam malo oklevao da stavim u direktorijum NOVOSTI jer sam hteo da proverim postoje li još neki BBS-ovi u Hrvatskoj za koje mi neki rekoše da ne rade. Bilo kako bilo, eno ga EXYUBBS.TXT na mestu, pa ako ima primedbi, kažite!
strani.sistemi.105 zonjic,
> *> tel. 99-386-61-154-156 (valjda 12 linija, ali nisam bas siguran > za broj) > > Zvao sam ovaj broj večeras, ali izgleda da je promenjen....javlja se > automat. Hristodulo je ispravio ovaj broj, naime ja sam zaboravio na promenu koja se desila u PTTLJ a koja vazi od 01.10.93. (dodavanje dvojke!) i o kojoj se mnogo pisalo (citaj pljuvalo) na slvenackom konferencijskom sistemu na DECnetu. Rade
strani.sistemi.106 zonjic,
> Kada sam se ja učlanjivao tamo, pisalo je da je za korisnike iz > Srbije učlanjivanje besplatno i da ne moraš čak ni razglednicu da > šalješ. e, sad ne znam, ovo sto sam ja rekao tvrdi Boris Horvat, cosysop
strani.sistemi.107 zonjic,
> >> tel. 99-386-61-154-156 > > Novi broj ABM BBSa je 1254-156. Pa ga sada lepo rehashujemo pa dobijemo civilizovanu (amersku) verziju three by four: 125-4156 ;)
strani.sistemi.108 zonjic,
> ║Srbija║ > ╠══════╩═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ > ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX ║ > ║Fenix 2:382/104 (011) 414-312 9600 ║ > ║Velcom 2:382/103 (011) 344-263 14400 ║ jes' da ih nema mnogo, al odabrase bar ono sto vredi ;) DejRane, posalji kolezi spisak BBS-ova sa Sezama. (EIGER::HORVAT)
strani.sistemi.109 pedjak,
> ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX ║ > ║Fenix 2:382/104 (011) 414-312 9600 ║ > ║Velcom 2:382/103 (011) 344-263 14400 ║ Jel' oni stvarno nemaju pojma da ovde postoji još neki bbs ?
strani.sistemi.110 magician,
­=> DejRane, posalji kolezi spisak BBS-ova sa Sezama. (EIGER::HORVAT) Koliko sam ja ukapirao, na listi su samo BBS-ovi u FidoNet-u... Zato ih je samo tri!
strani.sistemi.111 dejanr,
>> DejRane, posalji kolezi spisak BBS-ova sa Sezama. (EIGER::HORVAT) Poslao sam mu pre nekog vremena. Izgleda da su na spisak stavili samo one koji su na FIDONET-u.
strani.sistemi.112 m.hristodulo,
>>> Kada sam se ja uclanjivao tamo, pisalo je da je >>> za korisnike iz Srbije uclanjivanje besplatno i >>> da ne moras cak ni razglednicu da saljes. >> >> e, sad ne znam, ovo sto sam ja rekao tvrdi Boris >> Horvat, cosysop Upravo idem da posaljem razglednicu. Negde u procesu registracije (popunjavanja raznih upitnika), je pisalo da korisnici iz Srbije, umesto pretplate, treba da posalju razglednicu i dobice godinu dana full acces. Cak sam dobio i poruku od Borisa u kojoj me on poziva da to ucinim. To je stil, nema sta, :)
strani.sistemi.113 m.hristodulo,
>> three by four: 125-4156 1254-156 stavih da bi se uocila ta dvojka. ;)
strani.sistemi.114 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! şşş > ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 şşş > ║Fenix 2:382/104 (011) 414-312 şşş > ║Velcom 2:382/103 (011) 344-263 şşş şşş Jel' oni stvarno nemaju pojma da ovde postoji jos neki bbs ? Ah, pa naravno da imaju pojma, zato i objavljuju ovakve gluposti !! Zamisli sta bi se samo desilo da neko tamo cuje za Sezam koji ima 15 linija, a moze da radi i na slovenackom !!?? Pa niko vise ne bi zvao slovenacke BBS-ove !! A i ovako oni misle da su genijalci, pa ih lakse za*ebavamo !! :)))) Srbija -- 381, Slovenija -- 8088.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.115 snemcev,
Jel ima neko informaciju o g-dinu Milanu čivkoviću iz Instituta za ekonomske nauke, koji je svojevremeno bio glavni čovek po pitanju pristupa bazama podataka Evropske zajednice?
strani.sistemi.116 spantic,
>> ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX ║ >> ║Fenix 2:382/104 (011) 414-312 9600 ║ >> ║Velcom 2:382/103 (011) 344-263 14400 ║ > > Jel' oni stvarno nemaju pojma da ovde postoji još neki bbs ? Ne, to je samo spisak BBSova sa adresama na FIDOnetu.
strani.sistemi.117 deki.dj,
-=> Jel ima neko informaciju o g-dinu Milanu čivkoviću iz Instituta za -=> ekonomske nauke, koji je svojevremeno bio glavni čovek po pitanju -=> pristupa bazama podataka Evropske zajednice? Gospodin Milan čivković je tamo gde je i bio. U institutu. Ako je nekome potreban njegov broj telefona neka se javi u MAIL.
strani.sistemi.118 dejanr,
Ko može da koristi Internet... u USA. Pročitajte :) ========== internet/management #12, from nbirkett, 900 chars, Tue Nov 9 21:47:47 1993 Comment(s). ---------- TITLE: Who can use Internet I'm not sure where this should go, so let's try here. Our unniversity has an Internet connection via O-Net. We have some PC's with Ethernet connections using the 'ftp' company tcp/ip software. With this software, you can 'telnet' directly from the PC to remote machines. Now, these PCs are set-up in a public use computer lab. Since they run MS-DOS, there is no log-on/password required for use. Thus, any of our students can use any machine and access the Internet. Here's where the confusion comes in. I have been told that no-one can legally use the Internet unless they pass through some sort of log-in process so that messages (?packets) have an identifying label. Our machines all have Internet addresses and names within a registered domain. I would have thought that this would be enough ID but I'm told not. Anyone care to comment? Thanks, NIck Birkett. ========== internet/management #13, from thefuzz, 904 chars, Tue Nov 9 22:40:16 1993 Comment to 12. Comment(s). More refs to 12. ---------- You have been told incorrectly. The IP address and domain are all that the protocols need and all that the protocols really support. There is no mysterious login sequence into the Internet. The only logins will be on remote hosts similer to regular user logins. It is true that various portions of the Internet are restricted from commercial use. These are mostly the FSF net which is becomming an ever smaller fraction of the net every day. Commercial networks (like UUNET & PSInet which are members of CIX) ensure that their routers do not pass packets from subscribers who have not been qualified for accessing the NSF net. In most cases there are sufficient paths available to reach the destination. Unfortunately, mail routing agents often fail to deliver messages when the route would pass through the NSF net since the domain system has no method to describe a "commercial" route. thefuzz ========== internet/management #14, from eks, 1558 chars, Wed Nov 10 02:19:40 1993 Comment to 13. ---------- You may not have been told incorrectly. Technically thefuzz is right: the protocols don't have a login mechanism. Politically, however, there are definite concerns. Besides NSFnet, ONet also has non-commercial usage restrictions (ONet is the way universities and research organizations in Ontario have traditionally connected to the Internet; I believe it's basically a consortium run by said outfits.) If I recall correctly, ONet's rules say that: - a site may not send commerical traffic over the ONet. - a site's security must be such that if any of its users generate forbidden traffic, that user can be identified. - a site must put (and be technically able to enforce) the above restrictions on any other site with which it communicates (eg. systems to which it provides UUCP-only news and mail feeds). If I'm correct, the second of those points prohibits the situation described (DOS machines with Internet access, and without physical- access restrictions). The third point is, of course, quite unenforceable; I suppose this could be considered a weakness of the TCP/IP protocol suite. A year or two ago, ONet decided to start actually enforcing those rules. This was in large part responsible for the creation of UUNET Canada. I don't know a lot about this; I just remember listening to many months worth of discussions about it at meetings of a local UNIX users' group here in Toronto. Try posting your question to can.usrgroup, which is read by some of the people who actually contributed to the discussions I only listened to :-) ========== internet/management #15, from hbj, 343 chars, Wed Nov 10 11:56:22 1993 Comment to 12. Comment(s). ---------- Having read the comments here, thus far, here's another cat amongst the pigeons. What about the number of "anon" servers that are cropping up here and there. As far as I can tell, a user can use these things to send at least, mail, and who knows what else without identifying him/herself. Are these, then in breach of internet whatever? Henry ========== internet/management #16, from thefuzz, 448 chars, Wed Nov 10 19:41:39 1993 Comment to 15. Comment(s). ---------- Apparently this is an ONet restriction. It would appear that you couldn't put a public access site on ONet without some form of positive user authentication which could be pretty difficult to accomplish. It is obvious (to me) that if a public access site is not on ONet but users there access a site which IS on ONet, then the public access site and its users have done nothing wrong since they have not signed any agreement with ONet. thefuzz ========== internet/management #17, from eks, 2894 chars, Thu Nov 11 20:06:45 1993 Comment to 16. ---------- It may be obvious; unfortunately it's not the case :-( Though the public-access site has made no agreement with ONet, it *has* made an agreement with its upstream feed, which has made an agreement with ONet... The "lengthy discussions" to which I referred in my previous post concerned precisely how to maintain UUCP<->Internet connectivity in the face of ONet's decision to start enforcing its rules. This was major cause for concern because, at the time, ONet was the only source of Internet connectivity in Ontario. As I mentioned, UUNET Canada was started more or less as a result of the ONet clampdown,
strani.sistemi.119 snemcev,
>> Cak sam dobio i poruku od Borisa u kojoj me on poziva da to ucinim. To sistem sam generiše. ;) Btw, jel neko istom pristupio preko Jupak-a? Ne mogu da uradim download ni jedne datoteke, non-stop CRC error. Jel 4800 bps prebrzo?
strani.sistemi.120 domana,
~~~> ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX ║ Nikad cuo. Da li ovaj postoji u srbbs.txt? Pyc
strani.sistemi.121 m.hristodulo,
>> Zamisli sta bi se samo desilo da neko tamo cuje >> za Sezam koji ima 15 linija, a moze da radi i na >> slovenackom !!?? Na ABM BBSu postoji cak i konferencija koja se zove SEZAM. Boris je bio clan Sezama. Cak je valjda nudio i saradnju? ABM BBS ima 12 linija, a do nove godine imace i 20. Povezan je sa svim vaznim mrezama (DECNet, InterNet, ima svoj NUA). Jedina slaba tacka mu je sto radi na PCBoardu. Sve to si mogao da cujes u Borisovom prilogu u emisiji Bajt92.
strani.sistemi.122 skrajnalic,
&> mrezama (DECNet, InterNet, ima svoj NUA). Jedina Jel? Koji je NUA? Pozdrav..... skr
strani.sistemi.123 a.kircanski,
_-=> slaba tacka mu je sto radi na PCBoardu. Kako bre na PCBoard-u? Ja znam kad sam zvao sa Interneta, ima neki svoj softver, (jest da je ružan al šta ćeš) i nije PCBoard! Možda su ga promenili.. A inače kad se zove sa Internet-a, užžžžaasssnooo je sporo :( pozdrav
strani.sistemi.124 m.hristodulo,
E, ovo je jako zanimljivo, :) Cela datoteka je prikacena uz poruku. Other BBSes of Interest ----------------------- AT&T Support 201-769-6397 Panasonic Communica'n Sys. 201-863-7845 USNO Time of Day 202-653-0351 Ashton-Tate 213-324-2188 Quarterdeck Office Syst. 213-396-3904 ProComm Support 314-474-8477 AMI (Bios) 404-246-5825 Crosstalk Communications 404-641-1803 Hayes Public BBS 404-446-6336 IBM PC Users Group 404-835-6600 Core International 407-241-2929 DPT (Dist Process Tech) 407-831-6432 APCUG (Association of 408-439-9367 Adaptec 408-945-7727 Award (Bios) 408-370-3139 Borland 408-439-9096 Brown Bag Software 408-371-7654 Cornerstone Technology 408-435-8943 Data Technology Corp 408-942-4197 Fujitsu America, Inc. 408-944-9899 Genoa 408-943-1231 Kodiak Technology 408-452-0677 McAffee Assoc 408-988-4004 National Semiconductor 408-245-0671 Norton/Symantec 408-973-9598 Plus Development 408-434-1664 Samsung Info. Syst. 408-434-5684 Seagate Technology 408-438-8771 Wyse Technology 408-922-4400 PKWare (PKZip) 414-354-8670 Everex Systems 415-438-4650 Headland Technology 415-656-0503 Hercules Computer Tech. 415-540-0621 LAN (magazine) 415-267-7640 Logitech 415-795-0408 Mouse Systems 415-683-0617 Orchid Technology 415-683-0327 Silicon Valley Computers 415-967-8081 TOPS Support 415-769-8874 Trantor Systems 415-656-5159 Trident 415-691-1016 ATI Technologies 416-756-4591 Telix Support 416-439-9399 Central Point Software 503-690-6650 Intel Support 503-645-6275 Fifth Generation Systems 504-295-3344 Hayes Microcomputer Products 510-795-0408 Perstore 602-894-4605 Live Wire BBS, The 609-235-5297 Digiboard Inc. 612-922-5604 Ontrack Computer Systems 612-937-0860 Byte (magazine) 617-861-9764 U.S.Robotics 708-982-5092 AST Research 714-852-1872 Gibson Research 714-830-3300 Mace, Paul Software 714-240-7459 Toshiba America 714-837-4408 Western Digital 714-753-1234 Hayes Microcomputer Products 800-874-2937 Zenith Data Systems 800-888-3058 Zenith Data Systems 800-888-3058 WordPerfect Corp. 801-225-4414 Computer Peripherals Inc 805-499-9646 Tech Data 813-538-7090 Always Technology 818-597-0275 DTK Computer 818-333-6548 Micropolis Corp. 818-709-3310 denver.zip
strani.sistemi.125 m.hristodulo,
>> Kako bre na PCBoard-u? Ja znam kad sam zvao sa ABM BBS u Ljubljani radi na PCBoardu 15.0. Onaj u Zagrebu ne znam na cemu radi. Preko X.25 mozete stici do ABM BBSa u Ljubljani, ako pozovete NUA 62931611003025, i prijavite se kao ABMBBS.
strani.sistemi.126 zonjic,
> neki BBS-ovi u Hrvatskoj za koje mi neki rekoše da ne rade. Bilo > kako bilo, eno ga EXYUBBS.TXT na mestu, pa ako ima primedbi, kažite! Eh, da zivimo u CRO prozvali bi te jugonostalgicarem ;))
strani.sistemi.127 spantic,
> Btw, jel neko istom pristupio preko Jupak-a? Ne mogu da uradim download > ni jedne datoteke, non-stop CRC error. Jel 4800 bps prebrzo? Ja sam pristupio, isti problem.
strani.sistemi.128 spantic,
> ~~~> ║Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX ║ > > Nikad cuo. Da li ovaj postoji u srbbs.txt? To je specijalizovani BBS. Novinski servis.
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>> > Dinasys 2:382/100 (011) 615-153 ZyX >> >> Nikad cuo. Da li ovaj postoji u srbbs.txt? Ne postoji. Ako sam dobro razumeo, to je BBS zatvorenog tipa preko koga bi trebalo da ide veza BBS-ova iz YU sa FIDOnet-om. Ne znam da li ta veza uopšte funkcioniše i kako.
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>> > mrezama (DECNet, InterNet, ima svoj NUA). Jedina >> >> Jel? Koji je NUA? ABM BBS nema baš svoj NUA, ali možeš da pozoveš EIGER (NUA 62931611003025) i tamo, na prompt Username:, otkucaš ABMBBS. Onda EIGER modemom pozove ABM i pojavi se njegov prompt. Dakle, nešto kao outdial.
strani.sistemi.131 niklaus,
(:> Btw, jel neko istom pristupio preko Jupak-a? Ne mogu da uradim (:> download ni jedne datoteke, non-stop CRC error. Jel 4800 bps (:> prebrzo? Ja fino "cepam" na 1200, a CPS "leti" oko 108... (; (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.132 niklaus,
(:> se zove SEZAM. Boris je bio clan Sezama. Cak je Username=borish! Više ne zove. Šta ćete - njima je skupo... (: ): (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.133 snemcev,
>> Ja fino "cepam" na 1200, a CPS "leti" oko 108... (; Pa šta da radim, da se vratim sa 4800 na 1200? Neka hvala, redovan modem mi je na toj brzini. PS NHF!
strani.sistemi.134 snemcev,
>> ...na prompt Username:, otkucaš ABMBBS. Onda EIGER modemom pozove ABM >> i pojavi se njegov prompt. Dakle, nešto kao outdial. Jesi siguran da ovako radi? Neki put mi se odziv pojavi u roku od 0.1 sec, a neki pute se načekam, pa nikad da se javi...
strani.sistemi.135 snemcev,
>> Preko X.25 mozete stici do ABM BBSa u >> Ljubljani, ako pozovete NUA 62931611003025, i >> prijavite se kao ABMBBS. Jedina mana je što ništa nećete moći da skinete, već samo da čitate on-line.
strani.sistemi.136 dcolak,
│ mrezama (DECNet, InterNet, ima svoj NUA). Jedina │ slaba tacka mu je sto radi na PCBoardu. Ne slažem se sa tobom da mu je to slaba tačka. Šta više to je odlična stvar, jer se mogu koristiti OLR-ovi na koje su svi "obični" korisnici navikli! Da ne pominjem vrlo lako povezivanje sa ovim našim SetNET-om i sličnim NET-ovima... To je stvar ukusa... Sledge DAMMIR!
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ŔŔŔ odlicna stvar, jer se mogu koristiti OLR-ovi na koje su svi ŔŔŔ "obicni" korisnici navikli! Nije to sasvim tacno ! Npr. i na domacem software-u postoje konvertori koji prebacuju u QWK format. Npr. skinete poruke sa pingvin bbs-a i startujete svoj omiljeni QWK off-line reader odgovorite ne interesantne poruke i posaljete .rep Sta se na BBS-u desava kod koverzije za vas je potpuno transparentno. bata
strani.sistemi.138 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! │ŢQUOTEŮ│ Sve to si mogao da cujes u Borisovom prilogu │ŢQUOTEŮ│ u emisiji Bajt92. Mog'o sam, al' nisam :)).... CANE.
strani.sistemi.139 dejanr,
>> > ...na prompt Username:, otkucaš ABMBBS. Onda EIGER modemom pozove ABM >> > i pojavi se njegov prompt. Dakle, nešto kao outdial. >> >> Jesi siguran da ovako radi? Prilično siguran... tako mi reče Darko Bulat koji je vlasnik EIGER-a. Primetićeš da ako je neko već na vezi na ABMBBS-u, drugi ne može da ga dobije ovim putem (tj. to bi primetio ako bi imao username na EIGER-u pa rekao SHOW USERS, video ABMBBS i onda i ti probao da se prijaviš na njega odatle.
strani.sistemi.140 spantic,
> i tamo, na prompt Username:, otkucaš ABMBBS. Onda EIGER modemom pozove > ABM i pojavi se njegov prompt. Dakle, nešto kao outdial. Zar nisu i Eiger i ABM locirani kod Darka Bulata?
strani.sistemi.141 dcolak,
│ Nije to sasvim tacno ! Npr. i na domacem software-u postoje konvertori koji │ prebacuju u QWK format. Npr. skinete poruke sa pingvin bbs-a i startujete │ svoj omiljeni QWK off-line reader odgovorite ne interesantne poruke i │ posaljete .rep Sta se na BBS-u desava kod koverzije za vas je potpuno Pa dobro zašto to ranije niste rekli? :) Kakva je sintaxa, tj. kojom komandom se kidaju poruke a kojom šalju .REP paketi na Pingvin BBS? Sledge DAMMIR!
strani.sistemi.142 snemcev,
>> Primetićeš da ako je neko već na vezi na ABMBBS-u, drugi ne može da >> ga dobije ovim putem (tj. to bi primetio ako bi imao username na >> EIGER-u pa rekao SHOW USERS, video ABMBBS i onda i ti probao da se >> prijaviš na njega odatle. A otud čekanje... treba se samo setiti! :)
strani.sistemi.143 fancy,
ŮŢ> Kakva je sintaxa, tj. kojom komandom se kidaju poruke break message split message kidaj miško! %s desintegrate message rip message tear message .F nO morE.
strani.sistemi.144 .bata.,
ŔŔŔ Kakva je sintaxa, tj. kojom komandom se kidaju poruke a kojom ŔŔŔ salju .REP paketi na Pingvin BBS? Jos ne moze zato sto je u fazi alfa testiranja :(( al' mislim da na Sezamu postoji neki QWK konvertor (dejane ispravi me ako gresim :) ) bata
strani.sistemi.145 dejanr,
>> Zar nisu i Eiger i ABM locirani kod Darka Bulata? Eiger jeste, ABM, koliko znam, nije.
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Leaders of Community Networking _________________________________________________________________ People Who Create Online Communities On rare occasions a progressive local government sets up a community network, like PEN in Santa Monica, California. But usually, networks are created by groups of ordinary citizens -- or not so ordinary ones, as we shall see -- in the face of incredible technical, financial, and political barriers. This article describes the work of seven people who have played important roles in community networking, and offers a brief statement about government policy from each one. Some of the leaders discuss what community networks need from the government in order to prosper, while others suggest what the networks can do to change how government runs. Although their projects span a broad array of topics and locales, these people share a sense of vision, a commitment to hard work, and the achievement of impressive results. Often they have not been paid for their networking activities, but manage to squeeze the work into other jobs or do it on the side. The article begins with two political activists, Evelyn Pine and Richard Civille, whose experiences span a wide range of networking activities. Pine and Civille have drawn some deep conclusions about the value of telecomputing in public life. The article continues with Anne Fallis, Frank Odasz, and Dave Hughes. Each has become famous in the telecomputing world by building strong communities through the very simple, low-tech means of electronic bulletin boards. All of them are now engaged in broader initiatives: state-wide, nationally, and even internationally. Next comes Tom Grundner, leader of the Free-Net movement, the single largest collection of community networks today. [GET] another article that describes what Free-Nets offer. Last is an international perspective from Dutch system administrator Felipe Rodriquez. While community networking places a high value on access to information, it doesn't stop with facts. At the heart of any such project is the desire to build a feeling of community. Often the project seeks to improve the opportunities for its members to talk together, share resources in new ways, or find work. And perhaps most of all, community networking seeks to get citizens more involved in governing themselves. What the leaders in this article tell us is that community networking is powerful--but fragile. Its spread requires supportive government policies, an educated public, and a feeling of commitment by people to their communities. In the United States, the decisions made for the National Information Infrastructure over the next few years may determine whether community networks remain scattered experiments or succeed in reaching millions. EVELYN PINE: ELECTRONIC DEMOCRACY MUST COME FROM US RICHARD CIVILLE: THE CIVIC PROMISE OF THE NAT'L INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE ANNE FALLIS: PEOPLE USING NETWORKS CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON GOVERNMENT FRANK ODASZ: COMMUNITY NETWORKS BENEFIT FEDERAL GOALS DAVE HUGHES: THE ELECTRONIC PUBLIC INTEREST VERSUS THE PRIVATE GOOD TOM GRUNDNER: A NREN THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE FELIPE RODRIQUEZ: THE WORLDWIDE IMPACT OF NETWORK ACCESS For further information: * [GO] to the server alfred.carleton.ca for historical and policy papers related to Free-Nets and other community networking. * [GO] to a University of Saskatchewan server for background * [GO] for articles on community networking maintained by the Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility. * [GO] for statements from the Center for Civic Networking. [GO] for information maintained by the WELL on a number of community networks. _(Go to first community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Online Activism in California _________________________________________________________________ By the People and For the People Bill AB1624, drafted by Rep. Debra Bowen, is on the verge of passage into law with Governor Wilson's signature. Its success was largely due to the online coordination efforts of Jim Warren. A columnist for _MicroTimes, Government Technology_, and _BoardWatch_, Warren organized and chaired the first Conference on Computers, Freedom and Privacy. Warren relied on the Internet as a crucial tool in communicating with supporters and opponents of the bill. The bill's orchestration might be viewed as one of the first "virtual" grassroots lobbying efforts. The bill will make available over the Internet: legislative findings and declarations, meeting notices and agendas, information concerning bills (history, status, analysis, voting), proceedings of the houses and committees of the Legislature, and statutory enactments Eventually, as part of the bill's mandate, the complete California Constitution will go online. The bill is one of the first of its kind to make previously obscure government data freely available online. AB1624 addresses the remarkable fact that the California government actually ends up paying for its own data in many cases. Here's how it works: commercial databases sign contracts to maintain and format large amounts of governmental data. Then, local governments and state agencies subscribe to the commercial services and pay sizable fees to search and retrieve their own data. According to Warren, * Legislative Counsel collected $295,000 in 1992 from Legi-Tech and State Net * California Department of General Services paid Legi-Tech and State Net $285,000 in 1992 * California cities paid about $300,000 in 1992 to State Net for legislative information * California counties paid another $300,000 during the same time for the same information This rather embarrassing and costly situation is expected to be remedied by the passage of AB1624. Members and employees of the online-rights organizations EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) and CPSR (Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility) tracked Bill AB1624 with great interest. CPSR representative Al Whaley provided an Internet mailing list distribution and file archive site. The mailing list contained dozens of people interested in tracking the progress of the bill through the legislature. Members of the mailing list targeted numerous bottlenecks with well-placed letters, faxes, and phone calls. For most mailing list members, the mailing list provided the sole means of communication between Warren and them. Extraordinary Orchestration Warren describes himself as "just a citizen-volunteer-advocate of AB1624" with "no business interest therein." Nevertheless, his electronic-populist lobbying efforts and techniques are impressive. His work with the small mailing list group over the Internet was as powerful an agent of change as that of much larger, highly funded lobbying organizations. Warren sees the passage of the bill as only the first step in developing what might be termed a new interface to government. He is working with teams of volunteer programmers to develop sophisticated software that will present government data to the public in convenient, easy-to-use formats. (The data is in a complex format that requires sophisticated typesetting capabilities to print; the programmers are working on automating the process and integrating it with popular Internet software packages.) Once the data is available in on-line format, it could achieve wider dissemination to a variety of commercial and private electronic services, including CompuServe, GEnie, Delphi, and many bulletin board systems. Warren believes that if this data were easily available on-line, popular interest and involvement in government would increase. In addition, existing distribution mechanisms would be streamlined (for example, some of this data currently is "rekeyed" at significant economic expense). Passionate Belief and Focused Lobbying In his frequent updates to the mailing list, Warren provided detailed information about the bill's current status, immediate legislative and committee hurdles, and the names, addresses, phone and fax numbers of critical representatives. Warren once wrote that "our timely faxes, letters, and phone calls are all that's kept <the bill> alive." Warren excelled at "shadow writing" letters. Here is a part of an email from Warren to the mailing list, suggesting points to cover in letters to representatives: * Timely access to information is a prerequisite to responsible citizenship. * Legislative info sent by paper mail often arrives too late. * Enhancing the public's opportunity to offer input may create good legislation. * The California government should join the U.S. Supreme Court, the White House, the Library of Congress, etc., in providing information on-line. * Access to governance should not be limited to well-funded special interests. * Legislators not part of the design of a bill can offer their position statements. * Cooperation and free sharing is common and typical across the nets. Warren described the following points as "especially important" and "the unelected bureaucrats' focal point": * Do not charge for access, use, reuse, republication, etc. -- no royalties. * Allow value-added services to charge for added value without fees to state. Warren also recommended the exact format and medium of the communications. For example, he ranked letters and faxes over postcards and phone calls in influential effect. He describes the fine-tuned approach with the passion of an artist teaching technique to a student: * If possible, use business stationery, or at least indicate affiliation. * Include your work title (if needed, say "for identification only"). * Letters from companies, institutions and organizations count the most. * Letters and faxes count the most (as opposed to phone calls or cards). * One personalized page is plenty; more than one page is a waste. * Postcards count very little (they are tallied and forgotten). * Phone calls to _your_ representatives help; calls to other representatives are otherwise just counted. * When calling, don't expect the legislator; just state your position. When targeting his opposition, Warren expressed his wrath freely. For example, he wrote that "some of the most powerful unelected bureaucrats in the Legislature appear to be doing everything they can to kill AB1624..." He cited the names of people who "authored blatantly misleading and/or flat-out false information about AB1624 and its proposed implementation and 'dangers'." He wrote of behind-the-scenes machinations and meetings by prominent legislators and the two major data-redistribution companies, explaining, "Profits from peddling electronic copies of _our_ public legislative data are paid to his office as off-budget loot. Blatant conflict-of-interest. Infuriating arrogance against the public interest. <SNARL!>" Nevertheless, Warren conscientiously forwarded statements by the bill's apparent opponents, as a forum for rebuttal for "anything I have published or circulated in these updates." Indeed, he later forwarded a press release by the Legi-Tech company, "California's premier online legislative information service," announcing a new bill tracking service for public libraries. Mailing List Members Speak The AB1624 mailing list attracted a wide range of interest, not just from Californians. Coordinator Al Whaley requested letters from list members describing their personal interest in the matter. Subscriber Bob Smith wrote: Why participate? I am a retired University Professor now involved in building a commercial expert system for a firm doing hazardous materials response training for fireman and others. This is an area where lots of ignorance exists, is very legalistic, and political. Advance notice and an opportunity to bring facts to the discussion could avoid lots of dumb laws being passed. Simply by providing some forum for debate could save thousands of person years a month. One software engineer replied: I joined the CPSR electronic mailing list for the development of computer interfaces to legislative databases recently, but have been following the area with keen interest. From the very first moment that I heard people were interested in freeing up this data, and that there were some very frustrating and artificial obstacles toward actually accessing it, I realized that a long but momentous battle is under way. I think future historians will look back on this period to see the first fledgling roots of a new type of government called "Electronic Democracy" with online databases a crucial aspect of the entire new system. As I see it, Electronic Democracy will be far more "populist" and "grass-roots" oriented than any government our planet has ever seen. The potential for increasing citizen interest from a proportional increase in public _influence_ over the process will be liberating for virtually everyone, except some people who have twisted the current system for personal benefit to the point that it has reached an utter crisis in gridlock and pinnacle of citizen disenfranchisement and alienation. Subscriber Steve Peterson responded: I'm involved because I think it's important for the "average person" to have inexpensive access to legislative data. The fact that people have been willing to pay a lot of money for access to this data testifies to its importance and usefulness. Requiring people to continue to pay for access will, in the long run, make it more difficult for the average person to participate in the political process. The AB1624 mailing list evolved into a kind of hotline or bulletin board. Warren frequently received hundreds of messages over a few days. The list fed a sort of electronic network food chain. Interesting bulletins posted by Warren reverberated through closed organization mailing lists, such as those of EFF and CPSR, on to Internet newsgroups, and then to bulletin boards and electronic digests such as The Current Underground Digest. These rapid communications stand in stark contrast to newspapers and postal mail, the classic tools of democratic access. These appear feeble and archaic in comparison to the timely access provided by the Internet and electronic mail. Economics of Access Warren portrays the overall issue of on-line access in an economic and ethical light. He believes that government records, such as legislative session transcripts, are fundamentally public property, and that the government has an obligation to provide it free or as a minimal service from levied taxes. In California, virtually all the data affected by AB1624 is already available to the public in printed form for no charge. To Warren, the electronic version is a natural next step. Early in the bill's history, it went through modifications that might have required fees in certain cases. At one point, Rep. Bowen believed the bill would not pass without rules that required resellers of the data to compensate the state. However, Warren championed the right to free distribution, arguing that the alternatives were too complex and burdensome to implement. Warren's idealism has encountered serious opposition from a variety of powerful interests. Some private companies objected to the bill -- companies with lucrative redistribution arrangements with the legislature involving payment to the treasury for access rights. Since the bill could drive them out of business, their opposition was not surprising. In addition, some legislators objected to the possibility of private companies possibly profiting from sales of the free data without recompensation to the state. The two largest companies that resell state data, Legi-Tech and State Net, had ambivalent reactions to the bill. There is speculation that early on they hired a lobbyist to oppose the effort. Later, however, the Sacramento Bee newspaper, the "flagship" of the McClatchy organization, the parent company of Legi-Tech, ran an editorial strongly supportive of AB1624. Warren characterized the statement as "a laudable, principled action...in the face of a difficult trade-off between the public's interests versus their business interests." Warren later reported that Legi-Tech did not seem to be directly opposing the bill. He apologized for his earlier impressions, saying that "political cynicism and distrust may be amply justified, rampant, and in vogue, but they can muddy accurate information and harm good judgement." Some of Legi-Tech's press releases appear to closely echo the populist goals expounded on the mailing list: "Legi-Tech supports public access to legislative data, and California public libraries are the logical choice for such access," says Sheryl Bell, General Manager of Legi-Tech. "We are excited at this unique opportunity to provide public libraries free access to our online service. There has always been a need for access to public information. This project fulfills that need through the latest computer technology." Legi-Tech has taken several other steps to make the Legislature more accessible for the average citizen. However, the effect of free online legislative information on data resellers such as Legi-Tech is uncertain. Warren suggests that these companies can find their largest share of business in "value added services" to the data, a distinct market that wouldn't be threatened by direct public availability of the data. The Final Hurdle Warren's last update to the mailing list on the passage of the bill was sent August 19, 1993. It described in detail the flow of a "public hearing" on AB1624 by the five-member Senate Rules Committee chaired by David Roberti. The committee began by removing the mandate that the data include appropriate formatting and typesetting information. The vote was directed with no rebuttal, even by the bill's author, Rep. Debra Bowen. Next, the "fee issue" was addressed, again with no public input. In Warren's words: Next, Roberti permitted Bowen to make her opening statement -- and he asked data-peddler Chief Legislative Counsel Bion Gregory to also come forward. There were three seats available, so Gregory had one of his staff come with him and the two of them sandwiched Bowen between them. This neatly blocked any supporter or technically competent person from moving to a position where they could assist Bowen in countering some of the rambling, error-filled, fact-starved discussion -- during which Gregory smoothly muddled many of the issues. Next, Legi-Tech and State Net representatives were invited by Roberti to "plead their case." They requested statutory assurance that the state would continue to offer them the same access they currently have. Robert and Bowen opposed the private-party contract encoded in state law, but agreed to add language that would not preclude what Warren describes as "peddling the data in other forms." Finally, public comment was permitted: After all significant discussion was concluded and all decisions were made that were going to be made, a dozen or so people were permitted to say whatever they wanted to say -- in no more than two or three minutes, each. Some drove half a day to participate in the process. How nice. All strongly supported the bill -- including AARP, Common Cause, UC Students, Al Whaley (who runs cpsr.org), etc. Of course, none of the Senators asked any questions nor pursued any discussion with any of the technically-competent speakers, nor with the several who sought to refute the Gregory Disinformation Campaign. After a unanimous vote in favor by the committee, Chair Roberti concluded the session. Warren rejoiced in the victory, but had mixed feelings about the process: Sorry folks, but -- if it's not obvious -- I'm fried. Hope you will forgive the length and tone of this, as reward for pursuing this project. I should be happy -- because we [mostly] "won." But I gotta tell ya, this and the Assembly Rules Committee meetings have been the most offensive processes -- the most abusive of the principles of citizen participation in their own governance -- that I have ever witnessed (and I've seen some really abusive ones at the old San Mateo County Board of Supervisors, before the last elections cleaned it out). When powerful [unelected] bureaucrats want to benefit their fiefdoms at the expense of the public, they are much too cozy with _our_ too-senior representatives for the public's well-being. If AB1624 weren't so important, I most certainly would chuck the whole thing. But then the b------- who want to control and parsimoniously choke and charge us for _our_ timely access to _our_ government and _our_ public records for _their_ benefit would win, and THAT would be even more obscene! Unanimous Support On September 8, 1993, the AB1624 Bill passed the California Assembly unanimously, 78-0. Unless vetoed by Govenor Pete Wilson, the bill becomes law on January 1, 1994. On September 17, Warren sent out another mini-newsletter, reaffirming the importance of the online efforts: Mary Winkley, the [underpaid!] workaholic aide to AB1624-author Debra Bowen, has reiterated that our online-organized efforts and saturation actions just before crucial votes were what kept the bill alive and pushed it through the legislature. NEAT! Warren indicated that many Perot supporters also coordinated a support campaign for the bill, apparently alerted by his online telegrams. Future Directions The AB1624 effort may serve as a basic model for larger efforts currently under way at the national level. Groups such as EFF and TAP (Taxpayers Assets Project, founded by Jamie Love and Ralph Nader) are involved in projects that focus on public access for government databases. Clearly, the obstacles are daunting. But on the other hand, as the above account implies, email and the Internet can have a transforming effect on government gridlock. In the months and years ahead, many Internet participants will experience first-hand the consequences of their irresistible force meeting immovable objects. [GO] for a list of organizations officially supporting the AB1624 bill (filed with the Bowen office). [GO] for suggested format for letter to Governor Wilson. _(Go to next article...)_
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] [O'Reilly &amp; Assoc.] MITCH KAPOR, DATA HIGHWAY GURU _________________________________________________________________ Twin Titans: Kapor and Gates During the mid-1980s, when Mitch Kapor and Bill Gates were America's twin software titans, telling them apart wasn't hard. Before striking it rich, Kapor had spent time as a disc jockey, a stand-up comic, a transcendental meditation instructor and a counselor at a mental hospital (where, he liked to tell journalists, he had performed "the psychic equivalent of emptying bedpans"). Gates had gone straight from college into business, showing the single-minded drive for which he remains famous. Kapor had called his software company "Lotus"--simple, elegant, quietly reflective of his spiritual leanings. Gates, in something shy of a vast creative leap, had named his microcomputer software company "Microsoft." Gates's main product, the operating system DOS, was, like the company's name, serviceable but clunky. Kapor's smash hit, the spreadsheet Lotus 1-2-3, was stylish and user-friendly. mitch.zip
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] [Delphi] THE WHOLE WORLD IS TALKING _________________________________________________________________ Croatian Diary in Cyberspace This article appeared in the _Nation_, July 12, 1993. Halfway around the world, Wam Kat files daily reports on life in Zagreb, Croatia. "I just stood about half an hour in the supermarket downstairs watching a firmly built man.... He was shouting at everybody in the shop," he wrote on May 24. "From what I could understand, he said that when Croatia was under the Serbs (in former Yugoslavia), the price of bread was at least half of what it is now. Just a few days ago I heard somebody say that under the communists we had our problems, but now under the capitalists we have our problems too. What is the difference if you work for the communist or capitalist elite?" Kat's bulletins, which he calls "Zagreb Diary" don't appear in Yugoslav papers or on television. They exist in cyberspace. Kat types them on his own computer in Zagreb and sends them by modem to an electronic bulletin board in Germany. From there, his stories are relayed to computers around the world via the global mega-information stream called the Internet. "Electronic mail is the only link between me and the outside world," says Kat, writing by e-mail. The Croatian government owns all the major media in the country and is prosecuting a group of journalists for treason. Kat is only one of the millions of people participating in this community without walls. During other recent cataclysms, the Internet provided an instant, unfiltered link to the world. "In Russia, during the coup attempt, people were providing live reports on Russian Internet about what was really going on. They were widely circulated on the Net," says Mitchell Kapor, founder of Lotus Development Corporation and now chairman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group advocating "electronic civil liberties," primarily freedom of speech and privacy. "During Tiananmen Square, students were getting the news out and were fundraising through Internet," adds Tom Mandel, a futurist with SRI International, a Silicon Valley-based consulting firm. "There were a bunch of us hungrily reading newsgroups, stuff we weren't getting from reporters." (Newsgroups are open discussion groups where people can post their views.) But the Net is changing more than just the flow of information; it's changing the way we relate to one another. The advent of global networking is fragmenting and re-sorting society into what one author calls "virtual communities." Instead of being bound by location, groups of people can now meet in cyberspace, the noncorporeal world existing between two linked computers. There they can look for colleagues, friends, romance, or sex. John Hoag, communications coordinator for BARRNet, the Bay Area Regional Research Network, who began computer networking in 1986, says, "I met more people on-line inside a month than I met in the past ten years." Have Modem, Will Travel The Internet is the most powerful computer network on the planet simply because it's the biggest. It encompasses 1.3 million computers with Internet addresses that are used by up to 30 million people in more than forty countries. The number of computers linked to the Internet has doubled every year between 1988 and 1992; this year the rate of increase slowed slightly to 80 percent. To reach it, one needs only a computer, modem and password. Dan Van Belleghem, who helps connect organizations to the Internet for the National Science Foundation, says, "Nobody has ever dropped off the network. Once they get on they get hooked. It's like selling drugs." While Internet experts deride the term "information superhighway" as an empty soundbite, the concept works as an analogy to understand how the Internet functions. Think of it as a massive road system, complete with freeways, feeders and local routes. At every intersection sits a computer, which has to be passed through to get to the next computer until you've reached your destination. Any computer on the Internet system can connect with any other computer through the road system. And if the route to your destination is closed, you will automatically take a detour to get there. The difference between the Internet and the Interstate is that you can go to Finland as quickly as you can go down the block. Once there, you can remotely manipulate the computer to do anything your own can do. You can retrieve a file from it in the blink of an eye. Today, users can talk to one another, send e-mail back and forth, join arcane discussion groups, tap into libraries in universities from Berkeley to Bern and exchange almost any sort of data, including pictures, sound and text. Recently, a cult movie called _Wax_ was broadcast to Internet sites all around the country. While it was black and white and only two frames per second, it was an important first step toward the computer equivalent of cable broadcasting. Also, a radio program is already broadcast weekly on the Net, complete with technology news and a "Geek of the Week" segment. You Have to Be a Computer Weenie But it's not all smooth sailing on the sea of information. On most computers, the Internet is hard to use. The arcane commands that run it make little sense to many average users, who can find themselves lost in cyberspace without a map. "The Internet today is still for computer weenies," says Kapor. "But the problem will take care of itself," he adds, "because easier to use software tools will appear as the Net grows." To make matters more confusing, because the Internet is a network of networks, no one group or person is in charge. Kapor describes it as "anarchy." Mandel says, "It's all very ad hoc." And R.U. Sirius, editor-in-chief of the cyberpunk magazine Mondo 2000, says, "It's definitely out of control." Ironically, the anarchy began in the bowels of the Defense Department. Back in 1969, the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency created ARPANET, a computer networking project, to transmit packets of military data securely and efficiently around the world. In 1984, the National Science Foundation began building five supercomputers around the country for conducting scientific research. When Defense Department researchers wanted access to the supercomputers as well, the N.S.F. linked them up with ARPANET. The popularity of computer access, especially to collaborate on-line, has steadily expanded ever since. "It was just a bunch of computer scientists talking to one another," says Van Belleghem. "Then educators and people involved in research or administration all wanted to talk to one another, get files, get to libraries on the network. It's been opening up and getting more open every year." Staggering Amount of Information Over the past decade, tens of thousands of nonmilitary networks have been connected to the Internet's electronic web, including the Library of Congress, most U.S. universities and libraries, and private companies from General Electric to the Bank of Bermuda. Of course, not all the sites are publicly accessible. Most private sites require special passwords for entry, which only registered users and an occasional hacker can get. However, the amount of information available to the on-line public is staggering. "Getting information off the Internet is like taking a drink from a fire hydrant," says Kapor. Everything from the complete works of Shakespeare to the number of sodas in a Coke machine at Carnegie-Mellon University is accessible. The primary use of the Net is for communication, however. "Half the traffic on the Internet is e-mail at this point," says Mandel. The number of topics on the newsgroups can be daunting. There are more than 2,500 different subjects, ranging from one for fans of The Simpsons, to classified and personal ads, to Bay Area politics. There are also, naturally, many groups dedicated to different computer systems and languages, as computer scientists and hackers are still the main users of the Internet. One researcher at Cornell who studied the way scientists use the newsgroups discovered that real research isn't furthered much by reading them. Bruce Lewenstein, assistant professor of communication and science and technology studies, found that during the cold fusion controversy, newsgroups did little to aid scientists assessing the phenomenon. In fact, most of the newsgroup postings constituted what he calls "irrelevant chatter." Indeed, in a two-week period in April, the two most active posters were sending erotic images. The White House came in third, with transcripts of press briefings, speeches and press releases. _The direct access to information the Internet provides is "inherently politically subversive." These Internet activists want to make sure that this power stays with individuals. Right now a debate is raging in Washington on how to transform the Internet [...]_ Our Chance to Be Heard But some people are using newsgroups to disseminate information from a different perspective. Harel Barzilai, a Cornell graduate student in math, has created a group for progressive activists, and he claims that 23,000 people read his postings regularly. His group ("misc.activism.progressive" in Internetspeak) posts articles from leftist magazines and alternative campus publications, as well as action bulletins on issues of concern. "You're not going to find anything to the left of the Democratic Party on TV or in newspapers," he says. "And for those of us who have access to the Internet, it's free to use it and post information. This is our chance to be heard." Like many Netheads, Barzilai thinks of the Internet as a new communication model, allowing for unfiltered, many-to-many publishing, rather than the traditional hierarchical one-to-many approach. "This is a situation where money, or capital, does not have a monopoly on access," he says. R.U. Sirius agrees. "The role of capital as an editor is being removed," he says. Sirius, like many, feels a sense of liberation on the Net. "The metaphor of the highway fits," he says. "Like Jack Kerouac's _On the Road_, from a tight little community out onto the wide open road. Everybody's out there; it's not a small elite system." Howard Rheingold, whose book The Virtual Community is being published in October by Addison-Wesley, says, "If you have a computer, you have the power to broadcast. It gives the power to individuals that used to be only that of the privileged few." And, he adds, the direct access to information the Internet provides is "inherently politically subversive." These Internet activists want to make sure that this power stays with individuals. Right now a debate is raging in Washington on how to transform the Internet into a faster, bigger network, called NREN, the National Research and Education Network. Funding for NREN began with then-Senator Al Gore in 1991. This year, Congressman Rick Boucher is sponsoring legislation to add on to Gore's brainchild, providing $1.5 billion in funding to hook libraries, schools and medical facilities to new high- speed computers. Telecommunications and computer companies, including NYNEX and Cray Research, have lined up in favor and a Clinton Administration spokesperson has said that the President is prepared to sign the legislation, which is expected to pass through both houses of Congress this summer. Will the Gov't Ruin the Internet? But one of the main aims of Boucher's bill has alarmed many longtime Net users. It also encourages the NREN computers to use private networks, instead of publicly subsidized ones. Boucher, chairman of the House Science Subcommittee, has suggested that the government should turn over all areas of the Internet to private corporations whenever possible. He says, "The Internet has grown without a clear plan or organization. There's no government for the Internet. One of the great challenges is to establish some means of providing order and giving markers along the way." By itself, the first move toward privatization means little. Another Boucher-sponsored bill would grant antitrust exemptions for telephone companies, allowing a single company to own both phone and cable lines. Boucher thinks this will provide the financial incentive for the private sector to upgrade the communications links between the Internet and private homes. But critics fear that the end result could be the expansion of local cable and telephone monopolies into monopolies controlling all electronic access into the home. By giving the private sector unregulated and monopolistic control over the Net's electronic connections, the government would in effect allow megacorporations like AT&T and Time Warner, who own the cable lines and manage what flows through them, to call the shots in the future. They could determine how much anyone, from a single individual to a university, will have to pay for access. Some phone companies, for example, are already discussing charging users either by the amount of time they log on to the Internet or by the amount of data they send over it--despite the fact that their network operating costs are fixed no matter how many people use it or how much data flows through it. Changing the funding structure means the eventual extinction of the small, mom-and-pop computer networks, which could find themselves victims of predictable market forces. And that means that isolated users and cash-strapped colleges could be cut off from their virtual communities. Netheads Resist Control Not everyone predicts such a scenario, however. John Hoag from BARRNet thinks virtual communities will survive even if commercial interests dominate the data superhighway. "The Internet culture has its roots so deep, I don't think it's going to disappear," he says. Even if a local monopoly restricts access to the Net, "the culture will exist around it." And users have reacted fiercely to Boucher's proposals, with e-mail flying from Berkeley to Bangladesh. The specter of censorship, as on commercial systems like Prodigy, where system administrators routinely delete "objectionable" messages, looms. "Communities, whether virtual or physical, should be self-determining, rather than determined by megacorporations," adds the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Kapor. "The users of the Net should determine its uses and content." In a worst-case scenario, Rheingold says, corporations would not only monitor what's on the Internet, they would monitor you. If, as some predict, the information superhighway becomes primarily a conduit for watching movies, banking at home and shopping, the same computers that we use to lessen the burden of our daily errands could also be used by the corporations that provide those services to destroy our personal privacy. The Net could be used by marketing wizards--the same ones who flood us with annoying junk mail--to keep tabs on us all in Orwellian fashion, automatically recording our interests and habits. Hackers have already developed a few defenses, which could be the seeds for preserving the right to free communication. Free software to encode all electronic transmissions is now widely available, with codes that even the fastest supercomputers would have a tough time cracking. This means that nobody but the person you send something to--whether an e-mail note or a piece of software--can read it. And anonymity is also possible--networks have been set up in such disparate places as Helsinki and San Diego to enable completely anonymous speech. The Finnish operator declared that he will never allow anyone to find out the true names of his users without a court order. Clinton's Encoding Scheme Internet activists are also not happy with the Clinton Administration's effort to impose a standard encoding scheme for data, whether e-mail or a movie, that only the government can break. "The machinery of oppression has weak spots," Rheingold says, noting the spread of encryption techniques that even the National Security Agency may not be able to crack. "But the powers that be in the N.S.A. have convinced Clinton that they have to close the doors before all the cows get out." Whether it's the government or private corporations, what everyone wants is control of a new form of communication, one that currently cannot be controlled. Given the stakes and the power of the interests now seeking to shape and profit from this new technology, the end result may not be a happy one for the average citizen-user. "The key questions of access, pricing, censorship and redress of grievances will be answered in practice, in law, in executive order or legislative action, over the next five years," Rheingold writes, "and will thus determine the political and economic structure of the Net for decades to come." But for the time being, the activities of people like Wam Kat seem to prove an old hacker adage: "All information wants to be free." _ (Go to next article...)_ _________________________________________________________________ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] [Delphi]
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│ Other BBSes of Interest └──── Imas u KOMUNIKACIJE.4:email uz poruku broj 9.234 fajl EMAILADR.ZIP (nesto preko 21k zipovano) sa preko 600 telefonskih brojeva bbs-ova firmi koje se bave konjupterima. Drugim recima: PC Industry Support BBS Listing Pozdrav, Skerl.
strani.sistemi.151 dcolak,
│ Jos ne moze zato sto je u fazi alfa testiranja :(( al' mislim │ da na Sezamu postoji neki QWK konvertor (dejane ispravi me ako gresim :) ) Ne postoji.. Postoji samo QWK -> TXT a to nije to... Meni treba program koji će CEO QWK prebaciti u REP. Tako bi mogle da se prebacuju poruke između različitih BBS software-a... So, ko ima taj program? Sledge DAMMIR!
strani.sistemi.152 m.hristodulo,
U vezi sa ABM BBSom i neuspesnim ZModemom sa njim: Da nije u pitanju sedmobitna veza? Poznato je da ZModem radi samo sa cistom osmobitnom vezom. Da li ste postavili N81 u svom comm. programu? Jupak PAD zahteva E71, pa ako rucno ne postavite N81 kasnije, nema nista od downloada.
strani.sistemi.153 m.hristodulo,
>> Ne slazem se sa tobom da mu je to slaba tacka. Ja nekako ne podnosim PCBoard, mada dosta znam da ga koristim. Valjda sam se razocarao u njega, kad nisam uspeo da podesim korisnicka imena od jedne reci, kada sam hteo da pravim svoj BBS. Verzija je bila 14.5/d, a cuo sam da nova verzija (15.0) moze svasta, ali ja je ne posedujem. Moracu da im saljem lovu za upgrade...
strani.sistemi.154 zdule,
Gateway EIGER with service(s): ABMBBS (BBS with FIDOnet, Adrianet, Doors, programs, conferences & more) Username: ABMBBS %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established Press Ctrl/Đ to quit, Ctrl/č for command mode DTEPAD> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Šta sada da radim? ZDule...
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>> Kat's bulletins, which he calls "Zagreb Diary" >> don't appear in Yugoslav papers or on television. Katovi bilteni se ne pojavljuju u nasim novinama ni na nasoj televiziji, ali se zato pojavljuju na ZaMir BBS-u. Okrenite (011)632566 i proverite. Njegovi izvestaji su *jako* zanimljivi
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│ li ste postavili N81 u svom comm. programu? Jupak │ PAD zahteva E71, pa ako rucno ne postavite N81 │ kasnije, nema nista od downloada. Nema veze sa tim.. Probao moj ortak... Sledge DAMMIR!
strani.sistemi.157 dejanr,
>> U vezi sa ABM BBSom i neuspesnim ZModemom sa >> njim: Da nije u pitanju sedmobitna veza? Ne bih regao. Kada se logujem na EIGER (kao dejanr) sasvim normalno radim download sa njega (VAX-a) ZModem-om. žak se dobija sasvim lep cps - tako skidam većinu ovih vesti koje idu u NOVOSTI/microb. Međutim, sa ABM-a koji ide preko EIGER-a ne ide dobro download. No to me ne čudi previše, jer kad god se negde koristi outdial ove ili one vrste, download slabo funkcioniše. Eventualno bi vredelo probati Kermit protokolom, on je dobar u uslovima raznih kašnjenja na mrežama.
strani.sistemi.158 dejanr,
>> Šta sada da radim? Ne bi trebalo to da se desi, obično sledi uspostavljanje veze bez ikakve tvoje intervencije. Probaj ponovo da pozoveš.
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"The Beginner's Guide to the Internet" is a full-color, computer-based tutorial about the Internet. It is complete, covering email, ftp, telnet, gopher, Archie, Veronica, WAIS, WWW, USENET newsgroups, BITNET listservs, IRC and more. It is the only computer-based tutorial that gives you step-by-step instructions on how to do almost anything on the Internet. Perfect for Internet novices! Pozdrav, Skerl. p.s. Ovo bi moglo u neki dir da se strpa (ima header) bgi12.zip
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> "The Beginner's Guide to the Internet" is a full-color, computer-based Jel' radi i na Herkulesu? m.
strani.sistemi.161 .bata.,
ŔŔŔ │ da na Sezamu postoji neki QWK konvertor (dejane ispravi me ŔŔŔ ako gresim :) ) ŔŔŔ ŔŔŔ Ne postoji.. Postoji samo QWK -> TXT a to nije to... Ne, nisam mislio:'na Sezamu' misleci u fajlovima, nego sam cuo da postoji nacin da skidas poruke u QWK... bata
strani.sistemi.162 .bata.,
ŔŔŔ Press Ctrl/D to quit, Ctrl/Z for command mode ŔŔŔ ŔŔŔ ŔŔŔ DTEPAD> Da to se i meni par puta desilo :( jednom sam uspeo da se povezem, ali vise puta sam imao slican problem... bata
strani.sistemi.163 skrajnalic,
&> li ste postavili N81 u svom comm. programu? Jupak &> PAD zahteva E71, pa ako rucno ne postavite N81 &> kasnije, nema nista od downloada. Nije baš da zahteva E71, samo ako se ne postavi biće malo čudan prompt...inače, radi isto i sa E81 i E71..... Pozdrav..... skr
strani.sistemi.164 snemcev,
>> U vezi sa ABM BBSom i neuspesnim ZModemom sa >> njim: Da nije u pitanju sedmobitna veza? Nije, ABM te ni ne pušta da radiš sa parametrima 7e1. >> Da nije u pitanju sedmobitna veza? Poznato je >> da ZModem radi samo sa cistom osmobitnom vezom. Nije tačno. Skinuo sam megabajte Zmodemom sa parametrima 7e1.
strani.sistemi.165 m.hristodulo,
>> DTEPAD> Verovatno si pritisnuo ctrl/@, ili je bilo djubre na vezi. Probaj da otkucas exit na dtepad prompt. To je nesto kao resume.
strani.sistemi.166 zonjic,
> Ne bih regao. Kada se logujem na EIGER (kao dejanr) sasvim normalno > radim download sa njega (VAX-a) ZModem-om. žak se dobija sasvim lep > cps - tako skidam većinu ovih vesti koje idu u NOVOSTI/microb. > Međutim, Ja danas bio na UBBG preko Jupaka, i kad sam otkucao $ sz fajl.ext momentalno mi se u Telemateu promenio status line - parametri su presli u 8N1 ! Po okoncanom transferu stanje je bilo opet 7E1!!! Que paso, hombre?
strani.sistemi.167 niklaus,
(:> U vezi sa ABM BBSom i neuspesnim ZModemom sa (:> njim: Da nije u pitanju sedmobitna veza? Poznato je Kad smo već kod toga (ABMa i hronično loše veze), mogu vam reći da je kom. prog. DEPUTY (ima ga u R:ĐCOM direktorijumu) pravo otkriće. Radi transfer u pozadini (a vi vršljate po promptu) i opšte uzev je ukenj-frendli. Pogotovu ako vam treba MNPx emulacija... (: <- zadovoljstvo (:niklaus:)
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│> "The Beginner's Guide to the Internet" is a full-color, │ computer-based │ │ Jel' radi i na Herkulesu? └──── Nisam probao, ali s obzirom da sve vreme radi u text modu, morao bi da radi i na Hercules-u. Pozdrav, Skerl.
strani.sistemi.169 .obj,
Uvreženo je mišljenje da je psovanje, vređanje, klevetanje, pljuvanje etc na kompjuterskim sistemima i BBS-ovima zastupljeno samo na balkanskim prostorima. ;) E pa i nije baš tako. ;) Uz ovu datoteku je okačen mali ZIP sa izvodom iz grupe alt.fan.bill-gates sa (pikantnim) delom jedne ... diskusije. Kratki izvodi: ;) Sir, I have known puds. I have quite a few friends who are puds. You, Mr Solomon, are a pud. =========================================== You pathetic lower than a freenet internet trash. Take your stupid idiotic moronic meandering comments back to your stupid little home, delphi. Oh and by the way: ... =========================================== Are you for real?? Jesus christ, can someone please install a mental aptitude test for compuserve, prodigy, and delphi users?? =========================================== bwa-hahahahahahahahahah! =========================================== I still can't decide whether this guy is either the stupidest person I've heard of recently, or has baited the best hook I've seen. =========================================== Shut up you damn ignorant delphi trash... =========================================== itd. altfbg.zip
strani.sistemi.170 enterprise,
Hi! :) Ima li neko ovde koji bi mogao da mi pomogne ? :) Tj. da li se neko "redovno" loguje na ABM BBS ? Imam neki fajl koji bi tamo teo da skinem, zove se CDIARY12.EXE :). Inače, radi se o dnevniku. :) P.S. ne pišem ja dnevnik ... :)
strani.sistemi.171 niklaus,
(:> "The Beginner's Guide to the Internet" is a full-color, (:> computer-based Odlično štivo. Za čitanje "na iskap". Toplo preporučujem. (:> p.s. Ovo bi moglo u neki dir da se strpa (ima header) Podržano! (: (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.172 snemcev,
>> Kad smo već kod toga (ABMa i hronično loše veze), mogu vam reći da >> je kom. prog. DEPUTY (ima ga u R:ĐCOM direktorijumu) pravo otkriće. Jesi li pokušao da preneseš fajl na 4800 bps?
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Evo nastavka onog teksta "Leaders of... (šta ti ja znam)". [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Anne Fallis, Founder of TREC (Technology for Rural Enhancement and Communities) In the Black Hills of South Dakota, a bulletin board system (BBS) has become a tool for delivering social programs. Anne Fallis uses her BBS daily to help set up programs in distance learning, job training, and prevention of drug and alcohol abuse. [SHOW] a photograph of Anne Fallis. Fallis has raised 4.5 million dollars for her programs with an expenditure of only $20,000 -- an incredibly low expense rate of under one-half of one percent. She credits her economizing to the use of the BBS. Fallis does research through a Listserv maintained by EDUCOM, uses e-mail to communicate among constituents, and advertises her programs to the outside world by connecting to other BBS's. (You can phone into her BBS at 605-394-0468.) Programs can also use the BBS to deliver services. For instance, with the help of the BBS, collaborative writing projects are flourishing on several Indian reservations, and a professor at M.I.T. has offered long-distance courses to students in those places. Fallis's way of working is to start programs of value to rural communities and American Indians, then turn the programs over to the community to administer. Part of the task of getting community members involved is to get them onto the BBS. Because computers are quite common in the schools on Indian reservations, Fallis uses the schools as a networking resource. She drives out to many communities to hook up modems and train staff (something that the commercial network providers generally won't do). Getting an Internet connection in South Dakota is very hard unless you're a university faculty member. One of Fallis's current projects is linking a large number of state residents to the Internet. She uses a combination of SLIP connections and her BBS system for this project. She is also looking into packet radio as a possible medium. In the big picture, Fallis's goal is access for everyone to the outside world via computer networks. To promote this goal nationally, she has founded a non-profit organization, Technology for Rural Enhancement and Communities (TREC). E-mail: afallis@silver.sdsmt.edu Following is Anne Fallis's statement about government policy and community networks. People Using Networks Can Have an Impact on Government _by Anne Fallis_ Computer networks are starting to make a difference. But providing access to parties with money and technical ability, without paying attention to the rest of the population, will widen the gap between socio-economic classes rather than improving governance. To reverse this trend, _everyone_ must have easy-interface, cheap access to world-wide information highways. Public schools, libraries, and government systems can be the foundation for this access by reallocating resources. National and local governments can perform many of their functions electronically, and save enough in time and travel to pay for electronic infrastructure. Here are some instances of local networks at work: * Cynthia Denton's Russell Country BBS brings information about federal government actions in agriculture to Hobson, Montana, a rural town of 100 people. * Congressmen Conrad Burns utilizes Big Sky Telegraph, Montana to get timely input from his constituents. * Dakota BBS, South Dakota, provides input to state legislators and Tribal Councilmen on a nearby isolated Indian Reservation. * NativeNet solicits support throughout Canada for American Indian causes. * A Colorado Springs City Councilman credits Dave Hughes with getting him elected through on-line campaigning. * Environmental Law Alliance Worldwide has provided e-mail research support to help win a number of court victories. * Cruzio, a Santa Cruz network, is lining up congressional candidates for an online forum. Although these examples are exciting, current facilities are not enough. Access for _many_ can be accomplished now if public policy makers quit waiting for high-end technology or Federal solutions. One rural state reports expenditures of $1.5 million for Internet services available _only_ to 990 faculty members. In contrast, North Dakota and Montana operate distributive systems for their entire elementary-secondary school structure for about $200,000 per year. Finally, economically-deprived people have little energy to participate in governance. The same telecommunications infrastructure that supports government improvement can support "tecnomics" -- economic activity through high technology. On-line facilitation of equal economic opportunities for all will result in a true change in governance. _(Go to next community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Dave Hughes, Founder of Old Colorado City Communications Dave Hughes is probably the premier technical and policy facilitator in grass-roots community networking. In 1981, he started what may be the first bulletin board system (BBS) whose goal was to empower the local public politically. Since then, Hughes has traveled around the world in an effort to bring some of the most disenfranchised and isolated communities into the electronic age. In Hughes's home town, Colorado Springs, Colorado, all residents can get online, including truck drivers logging in from Rogers Bar. On more than one occasion, Colorado Springs citizens organized by Hughes online won a changes in the procurement policy by local government. His local private bulletin board has evolved into a city-run "City Link" on which the city council communicates openly with the entire community online. Hughes is targeting the state legislature next. Hughes's work in other communities ranges from Hawaii to Russia. He designed the decentralized Big Sky Telegraph educational network in Montana. He employs Russian engineers, linked by modem, to do technical work. To support languages that don't use ASCII characters, he uses NAPLPS (North American Presentation Level Protocol Syntax). For a project in San Luis valley -- a poor, rural, Hispanic area of Colorado and New Mexico -- Hughes even plans to bring support for sound and music. In December 1992, Hughes was asked by the transition team of President-elect Clinton to submit a low-cost plan for bringing computer networks into all public schools. His suggestion was by far the cheapest, because he recommended transferring data through brief phone calls, using simple store-and-forward technologies such as UUCP, Fidonet, and FrEdMail. A large part of his suggested budget would go to training. The White House ultimately sent to Congress a request that was close to the dollar amount that Hughes projected, billions less that other projections. E-mail: dave@oldcolo.com Following is Dave Hughes' statement about government policy and community networks. The Electronic Public Interest Versus the Private Good _by Dave Hughes_ The US Government stands at a major crossroads in its role in building the National Information Highways. There are three paths open to it. One option is to build, with tax funds, the major networks of the National Information Infrastructure. The government and other analysts argue we can't afford that. A second choice is to remove all obstacles to the giant communications, telephone, cable, computer, and entertainment sectors. Allow them to build the network and offer it as a mass consumer service. A third option is to unleash and support the private sector to build the infrastructure, but to use laws and regulation to ensure that every American has free or highly price-regulated access. I am afraid this Administration already has taken the second path, abandoning the 1934 Telecom Act's principle of universal access for voice phone service. This decision has broad implications for future interactive telecommunications services. Unfortunately, the Administration is applying the principle if you can afford it, you can have it. This will affect historically "public" information services like K-12 education and public libraries, where the skills of the future have traditionally been passed on to the public, at the public's expense. By letting the "marketplace" decide the degree of access, we let commercial vendors of telecom go only where they see a profitable "market"; not where there is a need. This contrasts strongly with the policy of regulated phone service to rural areas, which was also the basis for business rates subsidizing residental voice phone rates. If the Administration continues with this trend, we will equate the private interest of a some citizens and groups -- either wealthy, or inside favorable markets -- with the public interest, which should recognize no such distinctions. And that guarantees an Information Rich/Information Poor society resembling Europe before the Industrial Age. _(Go to next community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Evelyn Pine, Former Director of Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility From 1989 to 1992, Evelyn Pine managed the renowned project, Berkeley Community Memory. Its goal was to make telecomputing a routine event for the inhabitants of Berkeley, California. A 10-terminal public-access network, Community Memory started in the 1970's and became famous for getting unusual combinations of people talking to each other. Pine joined them when they were broadening their user base to include more low-income families, senior citizens, and other disadvantaged people. She saw and fostered interactions across race and class that would never have occurred in a face-to-face setting. Pine was also deputy director for the non-profit Foundation for Community Service Cable Television in the state of California. This organization encouraged schools, community groups, and government agencies to use cable TV channels to get information out to the public. From 1992 to 1993, Pine was managing director of Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, a well-known public interest group that influences government policy in many areas of information technology, including military uses, privacy rights, and equal access for all citizens. By virtue of its concern for social impacts of computing, CPSR members have been involved in many community networking attempts. Evelyn Pine is now an organizational consultant, offering eleven years experience working with individuals and groups to make meaningful use of emerging technologies. E-mail: evy@well.sf.ca.us Following is Evelyn Pine's statement about government policy and community networks. Electronic Democracy Must Come From Us _by Evelyn Pine_ When that self-proclaimed champion of "electronic democracy," Ross Perot, invited Americans to say whether he should return to the 1992 presidential race, his consultants designed his 800-number phone system so everybody could vote -- but the only vote you could cast was "yes." This shouldn't surprise us. The clamor for new technology to increase citizen participation is not going to change politicians' desire to build consensus around the powerful interests they serve. Advocates are quick to point to electronic voting, access to elaborate government databases, and email to public officials at every level of government as ways that "the people" will be able to influence the actions of their leaders. The reality, however, is not so simple. The real value of electronic networking to democracy is not its power to reach public officials, but its power for us to meet each other in new, intimate, and yet public ways. Television educates us that our experience is secondary -- to the news, to the opinion of pundits, to the lives of celebrities. Computer networking can allow us to reaffirm the experience and expertise of those in our communities. In many ongoing electronic communities, the status of opinion-makers shifts. Rather than a crystalized hierarchy of leaders, different people emerge as knowledgeable and worthy of respect around different issues. One person, for instance, may have long experience with local politics, while another is known to keep current with ecological issues. Electronic networking may be nurtured to yield an anarchistic, intimate culture where the status of opinion-maker changes over many situations. However, the current members of online communities tend to be white, male, well off, and "knowledge workers." For electronic democracy to have any meaning, we need to offer broader access to the necessary tools -- literacy, technology, training, time to experiment, and an online culture that is welcoming and inclusive. Groups that already champion networking among diverse constituencies -- like American Indian Telecommunications, New York City's Playing to Win, and HandsNet -- can be leaders in the development of electronic democracy. We also need participatory design, where those who will use the system play a substantive role in the creation of the system. _(Go to next community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Felipe Rodriquez, Sys Admin in the Hacktic Foundation In Holland -- a country of 14 million -- one organization offers low-cost Internet access to all. For about Dfl. 130 ($65 U.S.) a year and the cost of local phone calls, anyone can get a mailbox from the Hacktic Network Foundation and use its services to exchange files and mail. The estimated number of users, both direct and through linked-up bulletin board systems (BBS's), is between 1000 and 1500. The Hacktic Network Foundation is a non-profit, all-volunteer group of system administrators. They work together without choosing fixed roles, and describe themselves rather flamboyantly as techno-rebels. The foundation is committed to extending network use to low-income people, political activists, and ethnic minorities. Among the organizations brought online by the Hacktic Foundation are APS (Activist Press Service), WISE, Newsdesk (a politically oriented radio station), Ultimatum (a South American oriented political group), and Janssen & Janssen (an organization that monitors government agencies). The foundation provides free access to financially strapped organizations, and technical support to politically important projects. The foundation tries to publicize the Internet widely. Its network is used by journalists from the NRC-Handelsblad and the Volkskrant, two major Dutch newspapers. The foundation also hopes to inspire organizations to provide Internet access to underdeveloped countries. Currently it is helping another group bring the Internet to the occupied Israeli territories. Internally, the network is a hierarchically-organized system with over 100 nodes and 8 dial-in lines to the central system. It uses special packet-switching protocols over UUCP to provide several Internet services locally, such as telnet and ftp. A gopher interface makes access as simple as possible to services besides mail and news. Using a dial-up connection to a system maintained by Nlnet, Hacktic exchanges files with the rest of the world. E-mail: felipe@hacktic.nl Following is Felipe Rodriquez' statement about government policy and community networks. The Worldwide Impact of Network Access _by Felipe Rodriquez_ Community networking can change how governments operate because the people will have access to all kinds of information. With local networks and communities communicating with each other, governments will find it increasingly difficult to have a monopoly on information. International communication has at last become cheap and reliable. All of us will benefit if access to the net is open to everyone. It is especially important for political minorities to organize and grow by means of electronic communication. Already, alternate groups (political, environmental, and so forth) are greatly increasing their use of the Internet, and resources for them are also increasing at a rapid rate. For environmental groups the Internet has proven to be an excellent pool of resources. Ecological data is being made accessible through databases and mailing-lists, some wonderful examples being envirogopher and the United Nations gopher. Governments must increase their involvement on an international scale in developing the Internet. This means investments in the networking infrastructure (which are happening in the U.S. and in Europe), as well as policies to ensure public access. Here are some of the most pressing issues. * The networked world must subsidize developing countries to make use of network technology. Communication is a powerful tool to improve development and the exchange of technology. * Education is vital. Let children communicate internationally by means of school projects, private E-mail and multi-user international games. * Governments should never censor the Internet for political reasons. Only in cases of discrimination in race, color, culture, or social status should controls be applied. * Encryption technology should be freely available, such as PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), IDEA ciphering, and DES. International law regarding networks and privacy runs short in many ways. Programmers are being prosecuted because the programs they offered to the community should not have been "exported." At the moment this is happening to the author of PGP (Phil Zimmermann), who is being investigated by US customs because his program is used by people around the world. His case will be an important precedent. _(Go to next article...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Frank Odasz, Director of Big Sky Telegraph When people want an example of how successful community networking can be, they talk about Big Sky Telegraph. Frank Odasz, an educator at Western Montana College of the University of Montana, set up Big Sky to provide educational services throughout the state. [SHOW] a photograph of Frank Odasz. Using small grants and the technical help of Dave Hughes, the network started operation on January 1, 1988. Now over 1000 people across Montana use its educational facilities and e-mail service. Basic service is free, with Internet e-mail costing only $50 a year. Big Sky offers affordable access in a rural setting because the technical base is cheap and simple. Local communities provide a small computer where people can dial in at any time. The small systems exchange files once a day with the central system at Western Montana College. The central system, in turn, performs file transfers with the rest of the world every night. In this bulletin-board-like setup, delivery can be achieved within 24 hours without the need for expensive Internet connections (although the central system is on the Internet). Montanans use Big Sky in many ways, including distance education (taking a course with a professor located far away), collaborative school projects, and electronic newsletters. Odasz hopes to embed the network deeply enough in public life that some people can earn their living over it. Odasz is also on the board of the Consortium for School Networking, a grass-roots organization that helps teachers nationwide exchange curricula and other useful information. E-mail: franko@bigsky.dillon.mt.us Following is Frank Odasz' statement about government policy and community networks. Community Networks Benefit Federal Goals _by Frank Odasz_ Community networks can benefit the government by providing the training necessary for citizens to access government information electronically. Local experts can assist the general public in access to information and services through the convenience of email. Those government services most important for a given community can be tailored through customized online menus for enhanced ease of access by the public. A community network can potentially provide a single point of access for local, state and national government services, accessible with the help of friendly local online public servants. Government CDROM databases can be economically mass-produced and made locally accessible on multiple community networks. Regularly available for updating, these databases could be tailored to the needs of specific communities, and could provide literally gigabits of government information at very low costs. Community networks, even those based on simple BBS software, can potentially offer citizens individual Internet ID's. Internet access across communities can provide global citizenship and entrepreneurial opportunities to local citizens via self-teaching online classes and email access. The government's biggest benefit from community networks will be the national tap on local innovations. But widespread grassroots innovations will be necessary for the potential of electronic delivery of government services to become reality, and for our nation to be an economic leader in the information age. _(Go to next community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Richard Civille, Director of the Center for Civic Networking Richard Civille entered community networking in a unique but highly characteristic way. In 1982, as part of an experiment at the University of California at Santa Cruz, he helped establish electronic mail links with remote Pacific island communities over an old weather satellite. The goal was to help underdeveloped island communities hook up with sources of information and funding in other parts of the world. Through many diverse projects since then, Civille has maintained his concern for helping underdeveloped areas and providing equal access to information for everyone. Civille later started a distance learning project that was revolutionary at the time: using telecommunications to link school children around the world to do joint work on an ecological issue. The subject matter was water quality. Cohesion among the students was built by using audio teleconferencing as well as e-mail. One exchange took place a day after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. Civille listened to the tearful exchanges of students from Canada, Germany, and Scotland concerned with wind directions and whether food was safe to eat. While working with projects in underdeveloped communities and in distance learning, Civille often encountered bureaucratic constraints and problems with public policy. He has become a leader at bringing together people from different grassroots telecommunications initiatives to learn from each other and organize politically. Civille consistently stresses the importance of access for everyone, especially disenfranchised and low-income groups. Civille also co-founded Econet and worked with its eventual sponsor, the Institute for Global Communications. He is the Washington director for the Center for Civic Networking, which promotes the public interest in communication policies and creates community networks. He is a board member of CapAccess, the community networking organization in Washington, D.C. and also serves as the Director of Information Services at the Center for Budget Policy Priorities. E-mail: rciville@civicnet.org Following is Richard Civille's statement about government policy and community networks. The Civic Promise of the National Information Infrastructure _by Richard Civille_ In Oregon, the county of Lane is struggling towards a sustainable economy as their logging industry declines. Several dozen citizens -- loggers, educators, environmentalists, business entrepreneurs -- are creating a county-wide public access network called Lane-Online. This service will connect schools to the Internet and global resources through community libraries, provide job listings and training opportunities, and promote community development. In Washington, DC, the National Capital Area Public Access Network (CapAccess) is forging new ties among volunteer social service agencies, local public radio, cable and television programmers, and regional libraries to combine separate services into new forms of public media. In Cambridge, Massachusetts, the Sustainable Development Information Network (SDIN) is developing library access to vast geographic and statistical databases in order to assist community groups to plan for the future. In Blacksburg, VA, a local university, the city council, community groups and the telephone company are preparing residential connectivity to the Internet for a town of 35,000. Civic networks are spreading across the country like wildfire. Such grassroots initiatives are creating new models for communication policy, and intensifying other initiatives that use older media and face-to-face encounters. A new model for community involvement is taking place in Vermont, where over twenty bills concerning telecommunications and public access were introduced after citizen groups and the legislature held hearings for a year around the state. Public access cable stations, a state-wide bulletin board service (BBS), and local BBS's all got involved in broadcasting and archiving the hearings. Efforts like Vermont's will influence the federal government as communication policy is shaped for the 21st Century. Now that Congress is grappling with the true meaning of the National Information Infrastructure, they can learn from the best of the local and state-wide actions and apply these new models nationwide. _(Go to next community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Tom Grundner, Director of the National Public Telecomputing Network (NPTN) Free-Nets represent the most widespread model for connecting the public via computer networks. At the center of this model is Dr. Tom Grundner, who started the Free-Net concept with a medical project in 1984. Grundner remains at the head of the national organization that guides the creation of new Free-Nets. Grundner's first network project was a system that handled medical questions from the public and got responses from doctors within 24 hours. He established the project in Cleveland, Ohio at the Department of Family Medicine, Case Western Reserve University. When this project became popular and widely admired, he started a general-purpose public network. The Cleveland Free-Net currently averages over 10,000 logins a day from users eager to access its publicly available information, e-mail, and newsgroups. Grundner started the National Public Telecomputing Network (NPTN) to actively help organizations develop Free-Nets in other cities. By the autumn of 1993 there will be some 20 Free-Nets in operation, and another 45 committees to organize new ones. Three Free-Nets are in foreign countries. While the Free-Net concept appears most frequently in cities, it has recently begun an outreach program for rural areas. [GO] to the server _nptn.org_ for information on NPTN. One of the central goals of NPTN is to see how this medium can be used to bring people closer to the democratic process. Users can read documents from American political history, selected congressional bills, and Supreme Court decisions. In 1990, Free-Nets in Ohio posted biographical information and position papers for numerous candidates. Similar services were provided nationwide for the 1992 Presidential campaigns. In the future, NPTN hopes to get the elected officials and candidates to talk to the public online, directly. E-mail: tmg@nptn.org Following is Tom Grundner's statement about government policy and community networks. An NREN That Includes Everyone _by Tom Grundner_ James Madison perhaps said it best when he wrote: A popular government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. While Madison was a master of the print medium, he could not have envisioned the development of computerized information and communications systems. Instead it is left to each succeeding generation to examine the current technologies of their day and to use them in spreading knowledge. At the moment, for example, we are considering the development of an NREN--a National Research and Education Network. Yet, to me, the NREN makes no sense in the absence of the parallel development of free, public access, community computer systems-- systems which would be to computerized information as the free public library was to the printed word. Indeed, perhaps it is time for us to re-think Madison's words. Perhaps what is needed is not an NREN, but an NCON--a National COmmunity Network. This network would need enough conceptual bandwidth to include the university researchers, but also recognize that a parent seeking information on the latest flu bug is a researcher too. An NCON would think in terms of K-100, not just K-12 or K-16. Whether we are going to enter the Information Age is no longer at issue -- we are. The only question that remains is whether we are going to harness this technology to provide ...the power which knowledge gives and to provide it with equity. _(Go to next community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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E, evo sada malo što je trebalo na početku :) [Go Find Out] [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] FREE-NETS AND COMMUNITIES _by Linda Mui_ _________________________________________________________________ The Free-Net Movement Most people agree that the Internet is a wonderful resource. But a resource for whom? Technology is great for those of us who can readily take advantage of it. But what does the Internet mean to people who don't work in the computer industry? Computer professionals are really impressed by networking and all its possibilities, but why should anyone else be? Well, one answer is in the Free-Net movement that's emerged over the past few years. The Free-Net is based on the idea of offering a publicly-accessible computer system that provides e-mail access, information about government and community services, newspaper feeds, library catalog access, bulletin boards, public documents, and whatever else the community finds important (and which someone volunteers to put in place). As the name says, it's all free. Some of the information is kept on local disk, but the true model of the Free-Net is to provide links to other sites--for example, if you ask for the latest weather information, the Free-Net connects you to the weather server at the University of Michigan. The first Free-Net was developed at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland by Dr. Tom Grundner. Since then, several more Free-Nets have popped up, primarily in the United States. Free-Nets are also starting to take hold in Canada, New Zealand, and Finland. The National Public Telecomputing Network (NPTN) is a non-profit central organization that helps Free-Nets get started. Based on the model of PBS or NPR, the NPTN maintains a collection of resources and tools that all Free-Nets can use. See the article entitled "Leaders of Community Networking" in this issue of _GNN Magazine_ to learn more about Dr. Grundner and the NPTN. Free-Nets are fully funded both by local communities and private sponsors. This means that none of the cost of connecting is passed on to the user: all you need to use a Free-Net is a way to access it. You can connect to Free-Nets via _telnet_, by dialing in via modem, or by using public-access terminals located at universities or libraries. You are usually restricted to 60 minutes per login. (Access may be free, but it's not always easy. The dial-up lines for the more popular Free-Nets are constantly tied up. Even if you use _telnet_, the Cleveland machine is frequently busy, often asking you to "Please try again later.") Structure of Free-Nets Most Free-Nets provide a "guest" account for new or occasional users (like me). If you have Internet access, just _telnet_ to a Free-Net site and you should see instructions telling you which login name a guest should use. (Be warned that at this writing, some Free-Nets don't provide guest access.) Free-Nets are menu-driven systems. The main menu includes several categories, such as administration, e-mail, government, schools, library, news, etc. No two Free-Nets have exactly the same menu structure. To simulate the organization of a community, menu categories are often given names of buildings you might find in a small town -- the Administration Building, the Post Office, the Government Center, the Schoolhouse, etc. You might go to the Courthouse for legal advice, or to the Hospital to get the latest medical information. For example, this is the main menu of the pioneer Cleveland Free-Net: >> 1 The Administration Building 2 The Post Office 3 Public Square 4 The Courthouse & Government Center 5 The Arts Building 6 Science and Technology Center 7 The Medical Arts Building 8 The Schoolhouse (Academy One) 9 The Community Center & Recreation Area 10 The Business and Industrial Park 11 The Library 12 University Circle 13 The Teleport 14 The Communications Center 15 NPTN/USA TODAY HEADLINE NEWS ------------------------------------------------ h=Help, x=Exit Free-Net, "go help"=extended help Your Choice ==> To move to a particular "area" of the town, you can browse through the menus by typing its number at the arrow prompt (==>), followed by RETURN or ENTER. You can backtrack to the previous menu using "p" at the arrow prompt. As shortcuts, Free-Nets provide special keywords that allow you to jump to an area without having to wade through the menus -- for example, typing "go admin" might bring you to the administration building. The Administration Building or Headquarters is where you can learn more about the Free-Net itself and how to register for it. You need to register for the Free-Net if you want to send or receive e-mail. In addition, some Free-Nets prevent unregistered users from posting to bulletin boards or from connecting to other sites via gopher. The Cleveland Free-Net requires you to be 21 or older to access some services, meaning you must be registered before you can use them. If the Free-Net provides guest access, then you don't have to register just to browse through the Free-Net and see what it has to offer. Free-Net Services So what does a Free-Net have to offer? Let's go through a few of the services. * E-mail access. At the "Post Office" or "Communications Center," you can send and receive mail messages from anyone on the Internet. All Free-Nets provide e-mail for their registered users. * On-line library catalogs. From a Free-Net, you can connect to the catalogs of local libraries and find out which library carries a particular book you're looking for. (You can even find out if it's currently on loan.) Some Free-Nets also provide a gopher link to the Library of Congress. See the article in this issue entitled "Dear Mr. President" for more information on connecting to the Library of Congress. * Historical documents. The U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are available on-line from many Free-Nets. This comes in handy during those lunchtime arguments over the wording of the 19th Amendment. * Other important documents. Texts of recent Supreme Court opinions are often on-line within an hour of their release, via Project Hermes. * Statistics and more statistics. The Buffalo Free-Net has the Consumer Price Index and New York State census information. The National Capital Free-Net in Ottawa provides recently-published statistics on Canadian employment and earnings, as well as statistics of less universal interest, such as "Stocks of Frozen Meat Products," and "Process Cheese and Instant Skim Milk Powder, June 1993." * Public documents, such as the Federal Budget. You can try printing out a copy at home if you're a dedicated tree-hater. * Usenet news. Many Free-Nets have at least a partial Usenet feed. * Real news. The Cleveland Free-Net has a feed from USA Today. The Ottawa Free-Net has feeds from Radio Free Europe, China News Digest, and Croatia News. Local papers sometimes list community cultural and sports events, or put their letters to the editor on a bulletin board. * Science and medical news. The Victoria Free-Net lets you connect to news from NASA. Almost all Free-Nets are swimming in medical information; for example, on the Victoria Free-Net there's lots you can learn about living with diabetes. The Denver Free-Net has information for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease sufferers, and the American Red Cross keeps readers of the Heartland Free-Net well informed. * Access for students. "Academy One" is a program that enables K-12 schools to connect to the Free-Net and participate in telecomputing. * Professional advice. Some Free-Nets provide bulletin boards for posting questions for doctors or lawyers. Cleveland has "ask-a-doctor" and "ask-a-lawyer" bulletin boards. The Heartland Free-Net in Peoria offers "Ask Mr. Science" and also an "ask-a-vet" bulletin board. * Other advice. Free-Nets often provide a more general discussion area, giving users the opportunity to spout off about whatever they want. The most elaborate of these is the Public Square on the Cleveland Free-Net. The Public Square in Cleveland also includes "polling places," in which users can submit issues and then vote on them. * Government contacts and information. This is one of the most ambitious goals of the Free-Net movement: to have direct access to the local, state, and federal governments. (The Ottawa Free-Net takes this one step further -- they have an area for use by foreign embassies. So far, France is the only participant.) Thus far, federal involvement is pretty minimal for both American and Canadian sites, limited to listings of addresses and phone numbers for senators and representatives. But most Free-Nets have been very successful in getting local governments involved. Almost all Free-Nets have listings of office phone numbers for local officials in surrounding towns. In addition, town council meeting minutes are put on line, as well as announcements of future agendas. The Canadian Free-Nets are more ambitious: the Victoria Free-Net draws information from many ministries in British Columbia (often through gopher links) to get road reports, statistics, tourist information, and environmental information. The Ottawa Police take part in the Ottawa Free-Net, monitoring a question-and-answer bulletin board and providing statistics about local crime. * Social services. To me, this is the most valuable resource of a Free-Net: to provide a medium in which local social service organizations or community action groups can distribute information consistently and cheaply. Many Free-Nets (notably, Buffalo) have extensive lists of services for senior citizens. The Denver Free-Net includes information from the Colorado Literacy Hotline, tips from the Metropolitan Denver Better Business Bureau, and notices from the Denver Dumb Friends League, a service for pet owners. The Heartland Free-Net in Peoria has information on Boy Scout programs, and the Victoria Free-Net has listings of adult education classes. This is where the community spirit of Free-Nets comes to life. The big gap the Free-Nets fill is that they give you a direct way to find out what resources your town has for your particular issues. This might range from needing to know where you can get free tax advice, to just finding out if there are any local Star Trek fan clubs nearby. The best testament I can give to the Free-Net movement is that after browsing through Free-Nets in far-away towns, I've started to wonder when one will be started in my own area. The Free-Nets that are out there are still pretty scrawny; large areas turn out to be "under development," and you have to wonder how often the information is updated. But they're clearly a great resource for getting community information dispersed. I now know more about community services in Denver now than I do about Cambridge, where I live. Through a WAIS database of clubs and societies in Victoria, I've learned about 6 different bridge clubs in Victoria, Canada, which is 6 more than I know about here in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Don't fret, though. A Free-Net for your area may be in development as we speak. The NPTN gives licenses and support to groups who want to start Free-Nets in particular areas. Even though there may not be a Free-Net in your area, you can contact the NPTN to find out if one is starting, and if so, who to contact if you want to help. [GO] to the server _nptn.org_ for information on NPTN. If no Free-Nets have been started in your area and you have the time, resources, and interest, the NPTN will help you start an organizing committee and provide you with software and know-how. I've read many articles on the data superhighway and have heard claims about how useful all this networking will someday be in our everyday lives. The Free-Net is the first concrete example I've seen of how we might reap some of those promised benefits today. For further information: * [GET] an article on Tom Grundner, the leader of the Free-Net movement. * [GO] to the server alfred.carleton.ca for historical and policy papers related to Free-Nets and other community networking. * [GO] for background on Free-Nets and papers from a conference on Free-Nets. _(Go to next article...)_ _________________________________________________________________ [Go Find Out] [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
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[GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Leaders of Community Networking _________________________________________________________________ People Who Create Online Communities On rare occasions a progressive local government sets up a community network, like PEN in Santa Monica, California. But usually, networks are created by groups of ordinary citizens -- or not so ordinary ones, as we shall see -- in the face of incredible technical, financial, and political barriers. This article describes the work of seven people who have played important roles in community networking, and offers a brief statement about government policy from each one. Some of the leaders discuss what community networks need from the government in order to prosper, while others suggest what the networks can do to change how government runs. Although their projects span a broad array of topics and locales, these people share a sense of vision, a commitment to hard work, and the achievement of impressive results. Often they have not been paid for their networking activities, but manage to squeeze the work into other jobs or do it on the side. The article begins with two political activists, Evelyn Pine and Richard Civille, whose experiences span a wide range of networking activities. Pine and Civille have drawn some deep conclusions about the value of telecomputing in public life. The article continues with Anne Fallis, Frank Odasz, and Dave Hughes. Each has become famous in the telecomputing world by building strong communities through the very simple, low-tech means of electronic bulletin boards. All of them are now engaged in broader initiatives: state-wide, nationally, and even internationally. Next comes Tom Grundner, leader of the Free-Net movement, the single largest collection of community networks today. [GET] another article that describes what Free-Nets offer. Last is an international perspective from Dutch system administrator Felipe Rodriquez. While community networking places a high value on access to information, it doesn't stop with facts. At the heart of any such project is the desire to build a feeling of community. Often the project seeks to improve the opportunities for its members to talk together, share resources in new ways, or find work. And perhaps most of all, community networking seeks to get citizens more involved in governing themselves. What the leaders in this article tell us is that community networking is powerful--but fragile. Its spread requires supportive government policies, an educated public, and a feeling of commitment by people to their communities. In the United States, the decisions made for the National Information Infrastructure over the next few years may determine whether community networks remain scattered experiments or succeed in reaching millions. EVELYN PINE: ELECTRONIC DEMOCRACY MUST COME FROM US RICHARD CIVILLE: THE CIVIC PROMISE OF THE NAT'L INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE ANNE FALLIS: PEOPLE USING NETWORKS CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON GOVERNMENT FRANK ODASZ: COMMUNITY NETWORKS BENEFIT FEDERAL GOALS DAVE HUGHES: THE ELECTRONIC PUBLIC INTEREST VERSUS THE PRIVATE GOOD TOM GRUNDNER: A NREN THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE FELIPE RODRIQUEZ: THE WORLDWIDE IMPACT OF NETWORK ACCESS For further information: * [GO] to the server alfred.carleton.ca for historical and policy papers related to Free-Nets and other community networking. * [GO] to a University of Saskatchewan server for background * [GO] for articles on community networking maintained by the Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility. * [GO] for statements from the Center for Civic Networking. [GO] for information maintained by the WELL on a number of community networks. _(Go to first community leader...)_ [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home]
strani.sistemi.182 peca.st,
!-> E, evo sada malo što je trebalo na početku :) Jao bre, zašto ovo sve nije išlo kao fajl, prepuni mi pad... :((( Peđa.
strani.sistemi.183 vstan,
>Evo nastavka onog teksta "Leaders of... (sta ti ja znam)". > > [GNN Magazine] [GNN Home] Ako imas milosti kaci to u fajl !
strani.sistemi.184 niklaus,
(:> Jesi li pokušao da preneseš fajl na 4800 bps? CONNECT 1200/REL CONNECT 1200 / 11-18-93 (02:40:16) (Error Correcting Modem Detected) Ć ABM BBS ■ Ljubljana ■ Slovenija ž PCBoard (R) v15.0/100 - Node 3 - PFE11A8D28FAA 4800? Daleko bilo... (: ): (:niklaus:)
strani.sistemi.185 .bale.,
OK, imacu milosti sledeci put :)
strani.sistemi.186 dejanr,
Ne kaže džabe u Jevanđelju "Ne sudite prenagljeno". Mi ovde optužismo i osudismo SysOp-a QSD-a da nas je iz političkih razloga odsekao, kad ono... izgleda da čovek nije ništa kriv i da je zasluga za ono 'access barred' na sasvim drugoj strani. Pazite ovo, sa jednog piratskog BBS-a: From: Bayern.Power%bbs@sectec.greenie.muc.de (Bayern Power) It's not the fault of the sysop of QSD. It's the network managers in ex-YU who were tired of all the fraudulent calls to QSD, so they disabled access to all NUAs starting with 02080570 (not only QSD!). Croatia was the first, then Serbia & Slovenia made the same move; finally, Macedonia blacklisted QSD, too. YU is not the only country to take these steps, though; QSD has been unreachable from Turkey since a *long* time (I hacked a couple of systems there), and just two weeks before YU, Australia (both AustPac and OTC Data Access) barred QSD. Oh well...
strani.sistemi.187 zonjic,
Bale, a sto ga ne attachova? (mada ja sa teskom mukom koristim attach ;) Inace, mislim da se zaboravio onu poruku o Radivoju Zonjicu :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) toliko o skromnosti, Rade
strani.sistemi.188 astral,
HAJ, NEHAJ !! Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! Plaese, please, please, please.... CENZURISANI.
strani.sistemi.189 spantic,
> It's not the fault of the sysop of QSD. It's the network managers in ex-YU > who were tired of all the fraudulent calls to QSD, so they disabled access > to all NUAs starting with 02080570 (not only QSD!). Croatia was the first, > then Serbia & Slovenia made the same move; finally, Macedonia blacklisted Uh, pa ko da besplatno daju korišćenje JUPAK-a.
strani.sistemi.190 dr.grba,
bale, lepi tekstovi, možda ih čak i pročitam, ali brate, imaš opciju za ATTACH file uz poruku, probaj kako radi, leba ti... ):
strani.sistemi.191 domana,
~~~ Jao bre, zasto ovo sve nije islo kao fajl, prepuni mi pad... :((( A ja se bas pitam zasto mi je pad 40 kb :) Pyc
strani.sistemi.192 draganm,
*> From: Bayern.Power%bbs@sectec.greenie.muc.de (Bayern Power) Otkud sysadm jednog legalnog bbs-a na Secret Tectonics-u ? :)))))) -=> Phantom Lord <=-/.CoRRoSioN.
strani.sistemi.194 dejanr,
>> > It's not the fault of the sysop of QSD. It's the network managers >> > in ex-YU who were tired of all the fraudulent calls to QSD, so they >> > disabled access to all NUAs starting with 02080570... >> >> Uh, pa ko da besplatno daju korišćenje JUPAK-a. Pa, ne daju besplatno, ali ako ćemo da budemo iskreni ;) dosta ljudi ovako ili onako koristi JUPAK a ne plaća ga iz svog džepa :) Verovatno najveći broj "sedača" na QSD-u spada u tu grupu. I što je najčudnije nije to samo kod nas - i po svetu, koliko sam video, hakeri retko plaćaju komunikacione troškove. Provaljuju lozinke, blue-box-uju, nalaze brojeve tuđih kreditnih kartica, šta ga znam šta sve rade, ali ruku u svoj džep retko zavlače. Dok ih jednom ne ukebaju, naravno.
strani.sistemi.195 v.nesic,
> Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! Look who's talking :>>>>> U pad, u pad, u pad ... SADISTA
strani.sistemi.196 dr.grba,
>> troškove. Provaljuju lozinke, blue-box-uju, nalaze brojeve tuđih Šta je blue-box?
strani.sistemi.197 dejanr,
>> Šta je blue-box? Zvanje telefonom bez plaćanja računa. Tj. slanje nekog zvučnog signala koji "zbuni" poštu da misli da je veza prekinuta pa ne otkucava impulse, a veza i dalje traje... Onemogućeno je u mnogim državama širom sveta.
strani.sistemi.198 .bata.,
ŔŔŔ Onemoguceno je u mnogim drzavama sirom sveta. samo da kazem: ;>>>>>>> -=> BaTa <=-./CoRRoSioN.
strani.sistemi.199 magician,
­=> Onemogućeno je u mnogim državama širom sveta. Mi i nemamo državu, so? Magician.
strani.sistemi.200 slom,
Evo nekih zanimljivih usluga koje pruza Compuserve: Udjete u mail podsistem otkucate poruku i na pitanje "To whom?" odgovorite sa: >FAX:38111123456 <- slanje faksa na broj +381 11 123-456 >TLX:123456789 ABCD YU <- slanje teleksa >POSTAL <- pita vas dalje za adresu na koju ce da posalje pismo odstampano na laserskom stampacu. SEZAME sta cekas ? :) sm
strani.sistemi.201 m.hristodulo,
>> Pa, ne daju besplatno, ali ako cemo da budemo >> iskreni ;) dosta ljudi ovako ili onako koristi >> JUPAK a ne placa ga iz svog dzepa :) Verovatno >> najveci broj "sedaca" na QSD-u spada u tu grupu. To sigurno nije razlog da celu jednu seriju brojeva maltene ukinu za zvanje. Kao sto rekoh, to bi bilo isto kao kad bi PTT zabranila da se zove broj 648422 jer su 12 linija na njemu non-stop zauzete. Jedino olaksanje je sto su se pre nase, toga setile i neke poste po drugim zemljama.
strani.sistemi.203 snemcev,
>> Šta je blue-box? Grbo?!? Zar i ti sine Brute? ;)) PS Blue box je mala spravica koja "ubedi" računar u pošti da ti ne registruje impulse za vezu koja je u toku.
strani.sistemi.204 eotek,
> >FAX:38111123456 <- slanje faksa na broj +381 11 123-456 > >TLX:123456789 ABCD YU <- slanje teleksa > >POSTAL <- pita vas dalje za adresu na koju ce da > posalje pismo odstampano na laserskom DA, to je ono pravo. ove usluge se pominju se na bitnetu (".. u razvoju su .."), posta razmislja na tu temu ... trebalo bi uraditi u skladu sa X.400/500, dodati i telegram, pa je onda sve tu. za potpun uspeh trebalo bi da se obezbedi i prijem (sa tlx,fax...) u mail-box, uz opcioni automatski retransfer (na dial-in,tlx,fax...). sve to jos da ide (medjumesno i medjunarodno) brzim vezama, da ne bude vezano samo na jednom mestu (BG) vec i napr. NS, NI,PG - i to bi bilo to. kleine perica's dreams || first (winner takes all) ? etsc
strani.sistemi.205 dsoskic,
> Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! Niko te ne tera da čitaš njegove poruke.... ;)) :)) ;)) :))
strani.sistemi.207 fancy,
ŮŢ> PS Blue box je mala spravica koja "ubedi" računar u pošti da ti ne ŮŢ> registruje impulse za vezu koja je u toku. A ako to ne pomogne, nađeš šefa pošte, pa BOX, pa on bude BLUE...
strani.sistemi.208 dikla,
> Sta je blue-box? 'To quote Karu Bluel Marx, blue boxing has always been the most able form of phreaking. As opposed to such things as using an MCI code to make a free fone call, which is merely mindless pseudo-phreaking, blue boxing is actual interaction with the Bell System toll network. It is likewise advisable to be more cautious when blue boxing, but the careful phreak will not be caught, regardless of what type of switching system he is under. In this part, I will explain how and why blue boxing works, as well as where. Ind h later parts, I will give more practical information for blue boxing and routing information. To begin with, blue boxing is simply communicating with trunks. Trunks must not be confused with subscriber lines (or "customer loops") which are standard telefone lines. Trunks are those lines that connect central offices. Now, when trunks are not in use (i.e., idle or "on-hook" state) they have 2600Hz applied to them. If they are two-way trunks, there is 2600Hz in both directions. When a trunk IS in use (busy or "off-hook" state"), the 2600Hz is removed from the side that is off-hook. The 2600Hz is therefore known as a supervisory signal, because it indicates the status of a trunk; on hook (tone) or off-hook (no tone). Note also that 2600Hz denoted SF (single frequency) signalling and is "in-band." This is very important. "In-band" means that is is within the band of frequencies that may be transmitted over normal telefone lines. Other SF signals, such as 3700Hz are used also. However, they cannot be carried over the telefone network normally (they are "out-of- band") and are therefore not able to be taken advantage of as 2600Hz is.'..... itd, itd....
strani.sistemi.209 vujos,
Nisam dovoljno upoznat sa ABMBBS-om, a interesuje me koje uslove treba da ispuni korisnik da bi mogao da vrši down ?
strani.sistemi.210 spantic,
> Mi i nemamo državu, so? Kako se uzme. Ali svakako imamo poštu kojoj ne pada na pamet da joj neko otkida od usta. Kod nas su se primeri "sigurnog" BB završavali astronomskim računima i kaišem po dupetu maloletnika ;)
strani.sistemi.211 dragisha,
-> >> Šta je blue-box? -> -> Zvanje telefonom bez plaćanja računa. Tj. slanje nekog zvučnog signala -> koji "zbuni" poštu da misli da je veza prekinuta pa ne otkucava impulse, -> a veza i dalje traje... -> -> Onemogućeno je u mnogim državama širom sveta. Koliko sam upoznat (a jesam, jer sam znao tipa koji je to radio:) metod se zasniva na tome da prije nego što digneš slušalicu startuješ neki oscilator koji tvojoj centrali (digitalnoj) kaže da veza nije uspostavljena. Znači, centrala misli da ti još nisi digao slušalicu i ne šalje signal centrali odakle je potekao poziv za startovanje brojača. Problem je ako dežurni na nekom panelu primijeti da predugo zvoni telefon, jerbo mogu da ti rade šta 'oće ako te ulove. Nisam siguran, ali mislim da se radi o 1600 Hz. Tip o kome govorim je to koristio, zvali ga neki prijatelji iz USA i pričali su satima:). Da napomenem, izgleda da je ovo za izbacivanjem nakon nekog broja zvonjenja novi štos, jer po svemu sudeći može uspješno da spriječi korisnu upotrebu ovog metoda. Valjda je to to famozno 'onemogućenje':). -- [Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!]
strani.sistemi.212 snemcev,
>> A ako to ne pomogne, nađeš šefa pošte, pa BOX, pa on bude BLUE... Ne vredi... više ne obračunavaju ručno, sad to rade konpjuktori. ;)
strani.sistemi.213 dr.grba,
>> >> Šta je blue-box? >> >> Grbo?!? Zar i ti sine Brute? ;)) Pa šta ja tu mogu? Pomalo se tek sad interesujem za tehnički momenat komunikacija. Inače, to je za mene transparentna stvar - bitno da odradi valjano... *** WARNING! *** Blue-box intruder detected. Intruder name suspection: dr.grba Contact your attorney and local police department.
strani.sistemi.214 dr.grba,
>> > Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! >> >> Niko te ne tera da čitaš njegove poruke.... ;)) :)) ;)) :)) Ovde se ne radi o čitanju, nego o veličini PAD-a.
strani.sistemi.215 .bale.,
> Inace, mislim da se zaboravio onu poruku o Radivoju Zonjicu ?
strani.sistemi.216 jerry,
>> Sta je blue-box? > 'To quote Karu Bluel Marx, blue boxing has always been the most able form > of phreaking. As opposed to such things as using an MCI code to make a free Kad smo vec kod blue-boxing_a i ostalih stvari, neke ideje: Svojevremeno sam imao jaaako mnogo telefonskih komunikacija sa Holandijom. Dugo sam razmisljao kako da smanjim svoje telefonske racune. I, posle nekog vremena sam dosao na sledecu ideju. Centrala na kojoj je moj broj, registruje prve cifre koje okrecem i na osnovu toga odredjuje tarifiranje. Ako okrenem prvu cifru od 1-7, broj je obican i tarifira se kao "grad". Ako je 8n onda je za neko *n* medjumesni kao i za prvi broj 0. (021, 018 i t.d.) Ako su prve cifre 99 to je naravno medjunarodna centrala i shodno tome, tako se i tarifira. Medjutim, ako okrenem 011 (Beograd) pa onda 99 za medjunarodnu centralu, moja centrala ce tarifirati kao da sam zvao SAMO medjumesni razgovor a NE medjunarodni!!! Sa 011 izadjem na medjumesnu centralu i ponovo udjem u Beograd kroz ulazni 'trank'. Sa 99 izadjem na medjunarodni 'trank' i zovem sta hocu ali placam samo 011!! :))) Ideja je bila delimicno odgovarajuca posto za tu caku znaju u posti i !skoro! sve centrale imaju i zastitu od toga. Ali postoje centrale gde je 'majstore' mrzelo da to rade samo ih treba naci. Elem, u to doba Jugoslavija je bila cela i bilo je puuuuno brojeva na 0nn. Poceo sam od 010 pa sve do 099. I na 051 99 31 (mislim da je to bio Sibenik ili tako nesto na moru) nisam dobio 'trotonac' za nepostojeci broj. Opa! Rekoh ja i pokusah da dobijem s'Hertogenbosh u Holandiji. Veza se uspostavila i ja drhtavom rukom, probe radi, odrzim telefonski razgovor od pola sata. Spremim pozamasnu kolicinu para za svaki slucaj (ako caka nije upalila) i sacekam racun za tekuci mesec. Ali vidi vraga! Racun koji je stigao je bio NORMALAN!!! Tada sam raspalio. Razgovarao sam svaki dan po sat vremena i nije bilo probema. Ali neko je verovatno primetio da se nesto cudno desava i te linije nestade. Ali to mi nije bilo bitno posto sam vec tih dana imao spakovane kofere za odlazak u istu zemlju. Interesantno? Ima li slicnih iskustava? (Mada je ovo vise za PTT ali kad smo vec poceli...) Pozdrav, The BlueBoxer.
strani.sistemi.217 jerry,
Izvinjavam se za uzasan prelom redova. Opet sam koristio proporcionalne fontove u Windows-ima.
strani.sistemi.218 jmodli,
pozdrav. > Interesantno? Ima li slicnih iskustava? ima. jedno vreme je radio (pre godinu-dve) taj sistem na 076. onda je prestao da radi tj. 076 nije mogao uopste da se dobije. od tada nisam probao, ali sad me podseti pa mozda i uspe (ali sada je racun malo veci koliko znam). ipak, pre mesec-dva sam pokusavao da eksperimentisem sa 01*, 02* i 03*. ako se dobro secam uspeo je 012. on je jedini uspeo iz prve, desio se connect i veza je bila odlicna (nisu se cule eksplozije impulsa). kada se desio no carrier (posle skoro sat vremena) probao sam ponovo i nije uspelo. probao sam i probao i posle mnogo pokusaja (preko 10) uspeo sam ponovo. znaci, trebalo bi biti uporan. ja sam, verovatno, imao srecu da mi se sa tim pozivnim desi iz prve, pa da ostanem na njemu. verovatno je moguce na jos nekim, ali treba imati vremena i strpljenja. ---------- josip modli ps: ako ovo cita neko odgovoran iz ptt-a, i 012 uskoro nece raditi :)
strani.sistemi.219 jovana,
>>> > Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! >>> >>> Niko te ne tera da čitaš njegove poruke.... ;)) :)) ;)) > :)) > > Ovde se ne radi o čitanju, nego o veličini PAD-a. Ma šalji bolje ovako, nemoj attach! :))
strani.sistemi.220 toma,
■> Medjutim, ako okrenem 011 (Beograd) pa onda 99 za medjunarodnu ■> centralu, moja centrala ce tarifirati kao da sam zvao SAMO medjumesni ■> razgovor a NE medjunarodni!!! Sa 011 izadjem na medjumesnu centralu i ■> ponovo udjem u Beograd kroz ulazni 'trank'. Sa 99 izadjem na ■> medjunarodni 'trank' i zovem sta hocu ali placam samo 011!! :))) Ako se ovo stvarno obračunava ovako, pozivam vas kod mene u goste, :) na 035. Prolazi sigurno, ja malopre zvao ABM.
strani.sistemi.221 zonjic,
> > Inace, mislim da se zaboravio onu poruku o Radivoju Zonjicu > > ? pa ono, m. kapor, gates, itd. pa tu negde na kraju kolone i moi ;))) mala shala ;)
strani.sistemi.222 vlad,
> ps: ako ovo cita neko odgovoran iz ptt-a, i 012 uskoro nece raditi More nece raditi ni jedan, a ne samo 012 B(.
strani.sistemi.223 jerry,
> > ps: ako ovo cita neko odgovoran iz ptt-a, i 012 uskoro nece raditi :) Moguce je da postoje mala vrata za malobrojne obavestene. Na taj nacin se svakog meseca (ili nedelje?) menja broj a samo privilegovani znaju ovomesecni (nedeljni). Znam da cak postoje i brojevi za upad u liniju kad je zauzeta. To mi je i demonstrirao covek iz poste. Dok sam ja pricao sa drugarom on je ispred mene, sa drugog telefona, upao u moj razgovor. (Centrala je bila stara 'metakonta'.) Sta li imaju na novim digitalnim???
strani.sistemi.224 jerry,
> Ako se ovo stvarno obracunava ovako, pozivam vas kod mene u > goste, :) na 035. Prolazi sigurno, ja malopre zvao ABM. Obratite paznju da zovete na sopstveni rizik. Ko zna sta se u medjuvremenu izmenilo. Prvo eksperimentisite da bi proverili caku. Ako dobijete visok racun, nemojte mene kriviti!!! Be warn!
strani.sistemi.225 .bata.,
ŔŔŔ Ma salji bolje ovako, nemoj attach! :)) Joxy.........nemoj da si surova... bata P.S. I piroman cita ovo...;>>
strani.sistemi.226 spantic,
Da li se još nekome događa da mu se kada je ulogovan preko Terminusa ( via JUPAK ) na Internet da mu se prekida file transfer na oko 80K? Dugo sam mislio da je to specijalitet Terminusa. Sada mi se to desilo na još dve slična mesta. Da li neko možda zna zašto?
strani.sistemi.227 jmodli,
> ... da mu se prikida file transfer na oko 80K? ja sam bio upozoren na taj prekid, ali mi se do sada nije desilo. malo saceka posle 80 kilobajta ponekad, ali nastavi. -- josip
strani.sistemi.228 m.dzigurski,
-> Da li se još nekome događa da mu se kada je ulogovan preko Terminusa -> ( via JUPAK ) na Internet da mu se prekida file transfer na oko 80K? Događa se i meni :(. Pokušao sam više puta da saznam zašto se to dešava, ali mi nista logično nije palo na pamet.
strani.sistemi.229 zdule,
> Dugo sam mislio da je to specijalitet Terminusa. Sada mi se to desilo Meni se nije dešavalo sa terminusom ali mi se dešava na Exec-PC-u sa tim sto ne samo prekine transfer već i vezu izmedju mene i jupaka. ZDule...
strani.sistemi.230 dr.grba,
>> > Ovde se ne radi o čitanju, nego o veličini PAD-a. >> >> Ma šalji bolje ovako, nemoj attach! :)) Ovo nisam razumeo.
strani.sistemi.231 mdukic,
Da li neko moze da mi objasni proceduru za pristupanje i registraciju na COMPUSERVE-u. Molio ─bih sto detaljnije. Hvala
strani.sistemi.232 spale,
Ako neko ima neku Actix-ovu grafičku karticu, molio bih ga da pogleda u uputstvo i napiše broj njihovog BBS-a. Ja sam ovaj broj iz mog uputstva dao drugaru da pozove, i on kaže da se na taj broj ništa ne odaziva, pa reko, možda je štamparska greška. Nikola
strani.sistemi.233 predragd,
> Borland 408-439-9096 Jel neko uspeo da dobije ovaj BBS. Meni uvek javlja da je zauzet. A baš sam se trudio. Peđa.
strani.sistemi.234 slom,
> Da li neko moze da mi objasni proceduru za pristupanje i > registraciju na COMPUSERVE-u. Molio ─bih sto detaljnije. Evo nekih informacija o CompuServe-u. CompuServe ---------- has about 1.4 million users (September 93) all over the world, over 1,400 databases, 200 forums, 500 newspapers, online shopping from more than 100 shops and entertainment. It's like a large electronic supermarket. You can access the service though local access numbers in over 100 countries, through Packet Switching Services, and outdial services. The international NUA address is 0313299999997. A list of available forums can be retrieved from the IBM Communication Forum. Participation in forums is normally free (no extra charge). The IQuest database service gives access to more than 800 publications, databases, and indexes within business, public affairs, research, news, etc. Bibliographic and full-text searches. Some IQuest databases are physically residing on other online services, like NewsNet, Dialog, BRS, and Vu/Text (U.S.A.), Data- Star (Switzerland), DataSolve (England. It has TASS in the World Reporter database), and Questel (France). Sometimes, it is cheaper to use these services on CompuServe, than by a call to these services directly. The connect charge for CompuServe's Alternative Pricing Plan is US$12.80/hour at 1200 and 2400 bps. 9600 bps costs US$22.80/hour. Monthly subscription US$2.50. Using the Executive News Service (clipping service) costs an extra US$15/hour. An optional flat-rate pricing plan (the Standard Pricing plan) is available for US$8.95 per month. It gives unlimited access to over 30 basic services, including CompuServe mail, The Electronic Mall, news, weather and sports, member support services, reference and travel services. Hourly rates for Standard Pricing Plan members using extended services go from US$6/hour for 300 bits/s to US$16/hour for 9600 bits/s access. (Feb. 93) In addition, there are network charges. These differ a lot by country. For example, access through European CompuServe nodes has no communication surcharges during non-prime time (19:00-8:00 local time). CompuServe can be accessed by telnet to hermes.merit.edu, or 35.1.48.150. Host: CompuServe. A cheaper alternative is available for a US$50 (1993) one time fee. For information, type ? at the WHICH HOST prompt. Select "ACCESS information" from the menu, and then "Using the DIALOUT modems" from the next menu. CompuServe Information Services Inc., POB 20212, 5000 Arlington Centre Blvd., Columbus, Ohio 43220, U.S.A. In Europe, call voice: +49-89-66550-111, fax: +49-89-66 550-255 or write to CompuServe, Jahnstrasse 2, D-8025 Unterhaching b., Munich, Germany. To contact CompuServe Africa, call (012) 841-2530 in South Africa, or (+27)(12) 841-2530 for everywhere else. sm
strani.sistemi.235 skerl,
Actix Systems Inc Santa Clara, CA 408-970-3719
strani.sistemi.236 dejanr,
Hvala na detaljnoj informaciji o CompuServe-u. Uz ovu poruku je datoteka sa informacijama sličnog tipa o BIX-u, pa ako nekoga zanima... bix.zip
strani.sistemi.237 dr.grba,
>> Mall, news, weather and sports, member support services, reference ******* Kako to da nikome ne pade na pamet da na Sezamu redovno ostavlja vremensku prognozu? Zašto ne biste dali pretplatu nekome iz Saveznog Hidrometeorološkog zavoda, a da on zauzvrat jednom dnevno ostavlja vremenske prognoze na rezervisanom mestu?
strani.sistemi.238 mdukic,
Hvala puno na iscrpnom odgovoru. Pozdrav MDUKIC.
strani.sistemi.239 domana,
~~~ Kako to da nikome ne pade na pamet da na Sezamu redovno ostavlja ~~~ vremensku prognozu? Zasto ne biste dali pretplatu nekome iz Saveznog ~~~ Hidrometeoroloskog zavoda, a da on zauzvrat jednom dnevno ostavlja A sta ce vremenska prognoza nekome ko sedi za komjuterom? :) Pyc
strani.sistemi.240 vilic,
>> Borland 408-439-9096 > > Jel neko uspeo da dobije ovaj BBS. Meni uvek javlja da je > zauzet. A baš sam se trudio. Interesantno je da kad god sam pokusao preko jupaka da okrenem BORLAND bilo je zauzeto, ali direktnim pozivom (par pokusaja) uvek sam dobio vezu. \bye
strani.sistemi.241 snemcev,
>> A sta ce vremenska prognoza nekome ko sedi za komjuterom? :) Da bi je preneo nekom ko se ponekad odvaja od istog ;))
strani.sistemi.242 zdule,
>prognozu? Zašto ne biste dali pretplatu nekome iz Saveznog >Hidrometeorološkog zavoda, a da on zauzvrat jednom dnevno ostavlja >vremenske prognoze na Eto mogao bi ja da dostavljam podatke pošto imam pristup njihovim VAX-ovima koji sadrže te podatke i još mnogo što šta da bi vojska, aerodromi itd mogli da se obaveštavaju. ZDule...
strani.sistemi.243 dr.grba,
>> Eto mogao bi ja da dostavljam podatke pošto imam pristup njihovim >> VAX-ovima koji sadrže te podatke i još mnogo što šta da bi vojska, >> aerodromi itd mogli da se obaveštavaju. E, još da zamolimo sysopa da predvidi prikladno mesto. Dejane?
strani.sistemi.244 vlad,
> A sta ce vremenska prognoza nekome ko sedi za komjuterom? :) Da na vreme iskljuci kompjuter pred grmljavinu. Nije sala bogami B).
strani.sistemi.245 adj.joe,
Da nema neko broj BBS-a ili Mailbox-a časopisa Byte, sa karakteristikama veze. Skoro je neko okačio brojeve nekih firmi u USA, među kojima je bio i Byte, ali za Byte sam dobio odgovor - voice sa druge strane : "... no connection under this number", a za WD je bilo samo đubre. Hvala unapred, .JOE.
strani.sistemi.246 dejanr,
U direktorijumu NOVOSTI je nova verzija spiska EXYUBBS.TXT, BBS-ovi u bivšim jugoslovenskim republikama. Taj spisak je dosta teško održavati; mislim da su u ovoj verziji pouzdani podaci o Sloveniji i Hrvatskoj, a ostalo se uglavnom prepisuje od ranije... ima li neko bolji spisak BBS-ova u Makedoniji, i informaciju o tome rade li uopšte ona dva BBS-a u Bosni?
strani.sistemi.247 bulaja,
│Da nema neko broj BBS-a ili Mailbox-a časopisa Byte, └─── BBS casopisa Byte se slucajno zove BIX :).
strani.sistemi.248 dejanr,
>> > Da nema neko broj BBS-a ili Mailbox-a časopisa Byte, >> >> BBS casopisa Byte se slucajno zove BIX :). Hm... BIX jeste bio BBS časopisa BYTE (ili obrnuto :) ali su ga pre jedno dve godine prodali GVC-u (Delphi), a i on je u međuvremenu prodat... BIX i dalje tesno sarađuje sa BYTE-om jer uz tekstove uvek daju BIX imena autora (ako ih imaju), objavljuje se BYTE u ASCII obliku na BIX-u, neki moderatori su angažovani BYTE-ovi saradnici itd, ali je BYTE i dalje imao svoj poseban BBS, znatno skromnijih kapaciteta (jedna linija?) Znam da je aktivno radio pre jedno godinu dana, mahom radi preuzimanja listinga iz časopisa. Na žalost, izgleda da nisam sačuvao telefonski broj, a i ne znam da li BBS uopšte radi. U svakom slučaju, neko pitanje u vezi BYTE-a može se poslat na editors@bix.com
strani.sistemi.249 vcalic,
>> li neko bolji spisak BBS-ova u Makedoniji, i informaciju o tome rade li >> uopšte ona dva BBS-a u Bosni? Koliko se sećam (nije mi fajl pri ruci) u pitanju su bili BBS-ovi koji su se nalazili u Sarajevu i Mostaru, a s obzirom na šta sada liče ti gradovi, mislim da je nemoguće da pomenuti BBS-ovi postoje :( Vlada
strani.sistemi.250 dejanr,
>> Koliko se sećam (nije mi fajl pri ruci) u pitanju su bili BBS-ovi koji >> su se nalazili u Sarajevu i Mostaru, a s obzirom na šta sada liče ti >> gradovi, mislim da je nemoguće da pomenuti BBS-ovi postoje :( Hm, hm... Ta dva u spisku su nastala *posle* početka rata, negde ove godine, čini mi se. Tako da je moguće da još rade, mada ja čisto sumnjam
strani.sistemi.251 i.mandic,
Ako mislis na Software Express,on je u Banjaluci,a ne u Mostaru :)
strani.sistemi.252 enterprise,
Hi! Putujem u Poljsku za 2-3 dana, tamo takodje imam modem, pa bi da upitam nekog koji to možda ima da mi ili dostavi na mail, ili ovde u konferenciji spisak BBS-ova tamo sa telefonskim brojevima ... P.S. Zvaću i Sezam, a i vraćam se u Beograd, ali za nekoliko meseci ... ;( :)K
strani.sistemi.253 predragd,
> Interesantno je da kad god sam pokusao preko jupaka da > okrenem BORLAND bilo je zauzeto, ali direktnim pozivom > (par pokusaja) uvek sam dobio vezu. Broj je sada promenjen. Novi broj je 408-431-5096, i sada se može dobiti i preko Jupak-a. Peđa.
strani.sistemi.254 zsiz,
Evo da obradujete vaše modeme za N.G.: 1. "Večer" Mikročip MM 389/91/119-089 2. NUBSK 389/91/230-151 Javna šifra: Knigi P.S. Brojevi su iz Makedonije, Skopje. 1. je pod-listak lista "Večer" i MM izlazi jednom nedeljno (nešto kao Vreme kompjutera) i to je modemski MMMM broj za vezu sa njima. 2. je Narodna i Univerzitetska Biblioteka " Kliment Ohridski" Skopje MM Server je sa 16MB RAM-a, 2x600MB HD-a, 13 terminala, tri štampača i sa jednim modemom. Pozdrav.
strani.sistemi.255 zsiz,
Ispravka: Javna šifra za NUBSK je KNIGI a ne Knigi. Računari rade pod VMS v5.4 pa je možda bitno dali je uključen CapsLock ili ne. Pozdrav.
strani.sistemi.256 dejanr,
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strani.sistemi.257 fancy,
ŮŢ> SYSOP: KIRIL VIDIMžE POžESEN SYSOP: KIRO VELKOVSKI Blagodarime, blagodarime..:)
strani.sistemi.258 malenovi,
Sa zadovoljstvom :-) obavestavamo da na internetu postoji Srpski Internet Node - tesla.mcs.com, koji sluzi kao anonymous ftp arhiver koji ce sadrzati arhivu sa informacijama o Srbiji I Srbima. tesla.mcs.com ce biti fully operational kroz maksimum dve nedelje kada ce poceti da prima tcp/ip konekcije sa celog interneta. Radi se na tome da se dodaju i dial-up linije a eventualno i x.25 (zavisno od troskova i availability of the funds :-) ---- from tesla.mcs.com:~ftp/INFO.SYSTEM Tesla is a 486/50 DX2, with 8MB RAM, 460MB SCSI HD connected to MCSNet via SL/IP link at 14.4Kbps using a Telebit QBlazer (V.32 compatible) and a Intel 9600EX dial up at 312.764.4527 from 00-09h CST. We are running FreeBSD 1.0e, with a number of customized software packages. Your friendly system managers are Nikola Malenovic (malenovi) and Velibor Marenovic (vm). ---- pozdrav, Nik
strani.sistemi.259 picard,
Hi! :) Moze li neko da mi posalje spisak BBS-ova u : Germany, Italia, i England Ako ste vec slali slican spisak kazite mi u kojoj je poruci .. Pozdrav ...
strani.sistemi.260 maksa,
Da li bi neko mogao da okačo listu par najzanimljivijih BBS-ova u Evropi i Americi. Nije za mene, a pomalo je hitno, pa ako može do uveče ... :) Thanks unapred.
strani.sistemi.261 .bale.,
========================================================================= ________________ _______________ _______________ /_______________/\ /_______________\ /\______________\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ ||||||||||||||||| / //////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ ||||||||||||||||| / //////////////// \\\\\\_______/\ ||||||_______\ / //////_____\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ |||||||||||||| / ///////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\/____ |||||||||||||| / ///////////// \\\\\___________/\ ||||| / //// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ ||||| / //// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ ||||| \//// ========================================================================= EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 editors@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 In This Issue: EFF Board's Kapor and Dyson Appointed to NII Advisory Council EFF Helps to Eliminate Outrageous Sentences for Computer Crimes An Arts and Humanities Policy Symposium for the NII (Boston, 1994) Commerce Dept. BBS Update New Outposts on the Electronic Frontier What You Can Do --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- EFF Board's Kapor and Dyson Appointed to NII Advisory Council EFF Chairman of the Board Mitch Kapor and Board Member Esther Dyson were 2 of 27 communications leaders appointed to the Clinton Administration's National Information Infrastructure Advisory Council. The Advisory Council will work with the Administration on developing a comprehensive telecommunications policy to meet the needs of both government and the private sector. Mitch Kapor established the Electronic Frontier Foundation in 1990 with John Perry Barlow and currently serves as EFF's Chairman of the Board. Mitch has testified before Congress on communications and computer topics on many occasions. His articles on computer networks and civil liberties, intellectual property, and software design have been published in Scientific American, Forbes, Wired and many other publications. Mitch was the founder of Lotus Development Corporation, were he served as President and Chief Executive Officer from 1982 to 1986, and designed the Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet program. Esther Dyson is President of EdVenture Holdings, where she writes and publishes Release 1.0, a monthly newsletter highlighting trends in computer technology. Esther publishes a second newsletter, Rel-EAST, which shares her insights in the newly emerging commercial markets of central and eastern Europe. Esther also sponsors the PC Forum and East-West High Tech Forum conferences. Esther serves on the Board of Trustees of the Santa Fe Institute; is a member of the Global Business Network and the Women's Forum; and serves as an advisor to Perot Systems and the Poynter Institute for Media Studies. The other members of the NII Advisory Council are: Delano Lewis, CEO, National Public Radio (co-chair of the Council) Edward McCracken, CEO, Silicon Graphics (co-chair of the Council) Morton Bahr, Communications Workers of America Toni Bearman, Dean, U. of Pittsburgh School of Library and Info. Sciences Bonnie Bracey, elementary school teacher, Arlington County, VA John Cooke, Pres., Disney Channel Craig Fields, CEO, MCC Lynn Forester, CEO, FirstMark Holdings Carol Fukunaga, Senator, State of Hawaii Haynes Griffin, CEO, Vanguard Cellular Systems George Heilmeier, CEO, Bellcore Susan Herman, GM, Dept. of Telecommunications, City of Los Angeles James Houghton, CEO, Corning Stanley Hubbard, CEO, Hubbard Broadcasting Robert Johnson, Pres., Black Entertainment Television/District Cablevision Robert Kahn, Pres., Corporation for National Research Initiatives Deborah Kaplan, VP, World Institute on Disability Alex Mandl, VP, AT&T Nathan Myhrvold, Sr. VP Advanced Tech, Microsoft Corporation Mac Norton, Attorney, Wright, Lindsey & Jennings Vance Opperman, Pres., West Publishing Jane Smith Patterson, Tech. Advisor to the Governor of North Carolina Bert Roberts, CEO, MCI John Sculley, CEO, Spectrum Info Tech Joan Smith, Chair, Oregon PUC --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: EFF Helps to Eliminate Outrageous Sentences for Computer Crimes Comments opposing the United States Sentencing Commission's proposed guideline for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act submitted by EFF, SEA (the Society for Electronic Access), CPSR and others have been taken to heart. The U.S.S.C. recently announced a *new* proposal for Computer Fraud and Abuse sentencings. Instead of the single guideline for all computer crimes proposed by the Department of Justice last year, the new guideline takes into account the intention of the defendant by directing the sentencing court to the most appropriate existing guideline. For example, under the old proposed guideline, a first time offender who accessed a computer without authority, copied a non-protected file, and posted that file to a BBS would get 10 to 16 months in prison with no parole -- the judge would have been directed to the Fraud guideline and would have had no discretion to craft another sentence. Under the new guideline, if that intrusion was not done for pecuniary or malicious purposes, the crime will be treated as a misdemeanor, and the sentencing range would be 0 to 6 months. Real wire fraud done with the intent to reap financial gain or to cause harm to the system would result in the minimum 10 to 16 month sentence. EFF is proud to have played a role in encouraging the Sentencing Commission to craft the new guideline. New communications technologies, in their earliest infancy, are becoming the subject of precedent-setting litigation. Overly strict sentences imposed for computer-related fraud and abuse may have the effect of chilling these technologies even as they develop. Until there are more cases on which to base a guideline, individual sentencing decisions are best left to the discretion of the sentencing judge, who presumably is most familiar with the facts unique to each case. Legal precedents, particularly the application of a sentencing guideline to violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, can radically affect the course of computer technology's future, and with it the fate of an important tool for the exchange of ideas in a democratic society. The Sentencing Commission is asking for comments by March 18, 1994. It's important that we all tell the U.S.S.C. that we're happy with the new proposed guideline for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. In the very near future, EFF will be setting up an electronic mailbox to receive electronic comments. In the meantime, written comments can be sent to: United States Sentencing Commission One Columbus Circle, N.E. Suite 2-500, South Lobby Washington, DC 20002-8002 Attention: Public Information A copy of the proposed guidelines is located at 58 Fed. Reg. 67522 or on ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Issues/Legal/sentencing.amendment --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: An Arts and Humanities Policy Symposium for the NII (Boston, 1994). CALL FOR PAPERS, PANELS, AND PRESENTATIONS On October 14th, 15th and 16th, the Center for Art Research in Boston will sponsor a National Symposium on Proposed Arts and Humanities Policies for the National Information Infrastructure. Participants will explore the impact of the Clinton Administration's AGENDA FOR ACTION and proposed NII legislation on the future of the arts and the humanities in 21st Century America. The symposium will bring together government officials, academics, artists, writers, representatives of arts and cultural institutions and organizations, and other concerned individuals from many disciplines and areas of interest to discuss specific issues of policy which will effect the cultural life of *all* Americans during the coming decades. To participate, submit a 250-word abstract of your proposal for a paper, panel-discussion or presentation, accompanied by a one-page vitae, by March 15, 1994. Special consideration will be given to those efforts that take a critical perspective of the issues, and are concerned with offering specific alternatives to current administration and congressional agendas. The proceedings of the symposium will be video-taped, and papers and panels will be published on CD-ROM. For further information, reply to: Jay Jaroslav, Director jaroslav@artdata.win.net CENTER FOR ART RESEARCH 241 A Street Boston, MA voice: (617) 451-8030 02210-1302 USA fax: (617) 451-1196 --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: Commerce Dept. BBS Update The anouncement in EFFector Online Volume 6 No. 4 about the "Commerce Dept.'s Economic Bulletin Board on the Internet" was both out of date and incomplete. Thanks to kradov@world.std.com and wild@access.digex.net for this update. Most of this stuff is available by gopher, anon ftp, or telnet from una.hh.lib.umich.edu. The University of Michigan library runs a mirror of the Commerce Dept. electronic bulletin board as well. PRICING: Here is the pricing for the EBB. Note: Flat rate subscribers will not pay an additional per file charge for FTP access. Contact Amy Williams at the Commerce Dept. if you have any further questions. The Office of Business Analysis is pleased to announce, starting on Friday, October 1, 1993, new services and new price options for public use of the Economic Bulletin Board will go into effect. These steps are being taken in response to public demand for additional services, to bring the cost of accessing the EBB using higher speed modems and the Internet in line with charges for the current basic service, and to simplify billing and accounting procedures. These changes are highlighted below. BROWSEABLE TOPS: EBB customers accessing trade opportunity (TOPS) files have been required to download an entire file to determine if there are any leads for the types of goods their company represents. Browseable TOPS will allow customers to specify a harmonized tariff code; the EBB will search for that code and create a file containing TOPS for that product if any are available. These specialized TOP files may be downloaded like regular EBB files. ONE-STOP SUBSCRIPTION FEE: Beginning October 1, the annual subscription fee for the EBB will be $45.00. Customers will be able to use the same account number to access all three types of EBB service: the standard service (300, 1200, or 2400 baud), the high speed service (9600 BPS), and access through the Internet using telnet. There will be no additional charge to current subscribers until the end of their subscription period when the renewal cost will increase to $45. MORE FREE TIME: The connect charge credit has been increased to $20 as part of the $45 subscription fee. Standard service customers will now be able to receive 100-400 minutes of free time (depends on time of day called) before connect-time charges start to accrue. For the first time, 9600 BPS and Internet customers will also receive free connect time as part of their subscription. More free time means fewer bills will be sent to low volume customers. CONNECT-TIME CHARGES REDUCED: Connect-time charges for 9600 BPS customers have been reduced from $.50 per minute of use at all times of the day to a sliding rate depending on the time of day called. These charges, which will also apply to Internet customers, are summarized at the end of this announcement. FLAT RATE ACCOUNTS: Large-volume EBB customers may want to consider using one of two flat rate accounts that are now available; one fixed fee covers EBB use for the entire year. Flat rate 1 ($250 per year) allows the subscriber to use the EBB for up to one hour each day. Need more than one hour per day? Flat rate 2 ($400 per year) gives major EBB users such as educational institutions up to four hours of access each day. NOTE: flat rate accounts cannot be used on the EBB during the peak price period (8 AM to noon, Eastern time). FUTURE PLANS: The EBB is now available on the Internet; in the near future, file transfer protocol (FTP) and e-mail services will be made available. The same annual subscription and user identification code will give users access to these services. We plan to charge for these services by the file transferred rather than per minute connected. We expect these charges to be based upon the size of the file ranging from $1.00 for files up to 150 kilobytes to $3.00 for files larger than 500 kilobytes. EBB Charges as of October 1, 1993 The public may obtain full EBB services in two ways; (1) subscription fee plus connect-time charge or (2) flat annual rate account. Subscription Fee basis: Annual subscription fee $45 Credit for connect charges $20 Connect charges (300, 1200, or 2400 baud) 8 AM - noon $.20 per minute noon - 6 PM $.15 per minute 6 PM - 8 AM (all day weekends and holidays $.05 per minute Connect charges (9600 BPS and telnet access via Internet) 8 AM - noon $.40 per minute noon - 6 PM $.30 per minute 6 PM - 8 AM (all day weekends and holidays $.10 per minute Flat Rate Account basis: Option 1 (up to one hour per day) $250 annual fee Option 2 (up to four hours per day) $400 annual fee Note: Single fee covers all EBB charges for entire year; no additional connect-time fees are charged. Flat rate accounts do not have access to the EBB during peak hours of 8 AM - noon. Subscribers and flat rate account holders may access all EBB services with the same account number. --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: New Outposts on the Electronic Frontier New organizations and groups, like and allied with EFF but separate entities, are forming in various parts of the world. Here is some contact information for three of them, all of which, incidentally, are arising in areas once on the furthest edges of "real life" frontiers: Texas and Australia. If you are interested in such efforts in your own area, please feel free to discuss it on comp.org.eff.talk. If interested in starting such an organization, you may wish to participate in the "TheseGroups" mailing list (send a request to thesegroups-request@tic.com), which exists for discussion and cross-fertilization between such organizations, and includes EFF-Austin, New York City's Society for Electronic Access and many other online activism groups and individuals. Please note that TheseGroups is for serious work and idea exchange between active members and staff of civil liberties and online advocacy groups, and is a private list, not a general chat forum. * Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) EFA is still in the process of forming and getting organized. Early in 1994 Electronic Frontiers Australia will be formed to define, promote and defend the rights of electronic network users. This new organisation will be similar to EFF in the USA. Michael Baker <mbaker@apanix.apana.org.au> has announced the incept of a new Internet mailing list forum for discussion and planning in the effort to form a public interest electronic civil liberties organization in Australia. If you want to join EFA contact Michael Baker at any of his addresses listed below. If you want to take part in the formation of EFA (and influence its basic objectives and policies), send a subscribe request to the list request address listed below. General: Michael Baker <mbaker@apanix.apana.org.au> CompuServe: Michael Baker <100026,1312> FidoNet: Michael Baker, 3:800/838 Mailing list requests: efa-request@iinet.com.au FTP: ftp.eff.org, pub/Groups/EF-Australia EFA, c/o Michael Baker P.O. Box 5 Flaxley SA 5153 Australia Voice: +61 08 388 8439 Fax: +61 08 388 9532 * Electronic Frontiers Houston (EFH) "Electronic Frontiers Houston" (EFH) is a non-profit corporation devoted to working with and for the Houston computer and telecommunications community. Working in alliance with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFF-Austin and other national and regional organizations, EFH acts as a focal point for the diverse set of individuals who find themselves involved in computer communications. Included on the EFH's agenda are: advocating civil liberty issues in "cyberspace," promoting wider public access to computer networks, exploring artistic and social implications of new digital media, and educating the public about the increasingly important on-line world. There are several ways to contact EFH: (1) Electronic Mail EFH can be reached via electronic mail from almost every major computer network. There are several important addresses: (a) General Inquiries/Business Internet: efh@blkbox.com WWIVnet: efh@5285 FidoNet: efh@blkbox.com via 1:106/88 Compuserve: INTERN:efh@blkbox.com America On-Line: efh@blkbox.com Genie: efh@blkbox.com@INET# (b) Board of Directors, Officers and a few others Internet: efh-directors@blkbox.com WWIVnet: efh-directors@5285 FidoNet: efh-directors@blkbox.com via 1:106/88 Compuserve: INTERN:efh-directors@blkbox.com America On-Line: efh-directors@blkbox.com Genie: efh-directors@blkbox.com@INET# (2) USENET News For those with access to USENET, there is a special newsgroup devoted to EFH discussion and announcements -- houston.efh.talk It can be accessed using your normal USENET news reader. (3) Bulletin Board Modem users can dial into The Bamboo Gardens BBS, a Houston computer bulletin board which has donated space to the EFH for discussion and dissemination of on-line documents. The phone number is is (713) 665-4656. 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strani.sistemi.262 astral,
│Ţ█Ů█ EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 │Ţ█Ů█ editors@eff.org Bale, da li si primetio da ta poruka ima 25kb ??!! :( So help us God :)
strani.sistemi.263 index,
÷■÷ EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 ÷■÷ editors@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier ÷■÷ Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 Razumem ja da vezivanje fajla uz poruku uzima puno vremena ;) i da te mrzelo da to radiš, ali 26K je 26K ;(. Zar ti se ne čini da je to malo predugo za poruku, ma šta u njoj bilo? Nenad
strani.sistemi.264 paki,
­> EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 Pliz, Bale, sledeći put okači uz poruku :(
strani.sistemi.265 .bale.,
ŮŢBale, da li si primetio da ta poruka ima 25kb ??!! :( Zar? O;-) Regards from .bale. ! #:*)+-<
strani.sistemi.266 zotasevic,
Neko je ovde jos pre godinu dana (cini mi se .bale) prikacio bazu SAT TV kanala sa programom SBC za azuriranje. Moze li se dati na uvid neki noviji update ?
strani.sistemi.267 snemcev,
>>­> EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 >> >> Pliz, Bale, sledeći put okači uz poruku :( Vidim da se isplatio moj ignore. Izgleda šašavo, ali mene glava više ne boli.
strani.sistemi.268 spantic,
Pošto već govorimo o priključenju Internetu, uz poruke su dodeljeni domeni na Internetu. Ima zanimljivih stvari kad smo već kod toga. cc.zip
strani.sistemi.269 spantic,
Kako se priključiti Internetu? ji.zip
strani.sistemi.270 spantic,
Kako doći do Interneta? int.zip
strani.sistemi.271 pedjak,
Koji je NUA za ABM BBS ?
strani.sistemi.272 snemcev,
>> Koji je NUA za ABM BBS ? 62931611003025
strani.sistemi.273 bestbp,
Da li neko zna pribliznije da objasni sta je to GOD ? thnx
strani.sistemi.274 slom,
>Da li neko zna pribliznije da objasni sta je to GOD ? GOD = Global OutDial Ukratko, obican OutDial vazi za jednu drzavu/oblast, a GOD vazi za ceo svet. sm
strani.sistemi.275 dr.grba,
žuo sam jednu totalno iščašenu, paranoičnu priču o kojoj ne znam šta da mislim, tek ako je fantastika, onda bi se tu dala sastaviti dobra priča. A ako je istina... žovek koji radi u Interpolu jedne zapadnoevropske zemlje tvrdi da je povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vešto prikrivena stvar, jer neki od tih aparata NE POSTOJE, nego se nekim programom simulira izmena stanja u njima. Svrha tih "aparata" je prenošenje šifrovanih naredbi vladinim agentima u belom svetu. Šta mislite?
strani.sistemi.276 rkramer,
C:\> C:\> GOD = Global OutDial C:\> C:\> Ukratko, obican OutDial vazi za jednu C:\> drzavu/oblast, a GOD vazi za ceo svet. Ok, ajd' nam lepo ti sada UKRATKO objasni koji je postupak zvanja preko Global OutDial-a? Mislim kako se upisuje pozivni broj zemlje, oblasti (grada) itd... Pozdrav, RKRAMER
strani.sistemi.277 mikis,
+> Covek koji radi u Interpolu jedne zapadnoevropske zemlje tvrdi da je +> povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vesto prikrivena stvar, A sta su to Coca cola aparati? Cuo sam da se negde pominju, ali nisam razumeo u kom kontekstu. Sto se price tice... Prilicno paranoicno! :)
strani.sistemi.278 dejanr,
>> povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vešto prikrivena stvar, >> jer neki od tih aparata NE POSTOJE, nego se nekim programom simulira >> izmena stanja u njima. Svrha tih "aparata" je prenošenje šifrovanih >> naredbi vladinim agentima u belom svetu. >> Šta mislite? Mislim da bi to bilo jako glupo od vlade (što ne znači da nije tako :)) Taj Coca Cola automat je nešto neobično, skreće pažnju na sebe, ljudi finger-uju itd. Ako već treba da se prenosi uputstvo, mnogo bi pametnije bilo napraviti neke korisnike sa neupadljivim imenima (ne baš john.smith :) po raznim sistemima, pa onda uputstva prenositi na finger to_ime.
strani.sistemi.279 .bale.,
>+> Covek koji radi u Interpolu jedne zapadnoevropske zemlje tvrdi da je >+> povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vesto prikrivena > stvar, > > A sta su to Coca cola aparati? Cuo sam da se negde pominju, ali > nisam razumeo u kom kontekstu. > Sto se price tice... Prilicno paranoicno! :) Pa ti, nazovi Coca Cola aparati, su navodno oni automati za konzerve sa Coca Cola-om, zakaceni mreznom karticom u Internet i kada otkucas 'finger adresa.automata', dobijes neku poruku u stilu 'ima jos 15 konzervi'. Ili je perverzija, posto mozes da zoves automat za Coca Colu sa jedno 20,000 km i pitas sta ima u njemu, ili je nesto drugo. Mada mi zvuci suvise glupo da Interpol koristi nesto sto je dostupno bilo kome.
strani.sistemi.280 dejanr,
========== internet/faq #4, from thefuzz, 350 chars, Thu Dec 30 01:04:00 1993 ---------- TITLE: Dumb Questions FAQ #3: Is there such a thing as a dumb question? Answer: Yes. FAQ #4: Will I be embarrased asking one? Answer: Yes FAQ #5: Since I will be embarrased by asking stupid questions, why should I ask? Answer: Because only then will one learn the secrets of the Internet and the monster lurking therein.
strani.sistemi.281 banek,
Da li neko zna šta je sa makedonskim MIPS-om. Zovem ali se njihov modem ne javlja.
strani.sistemi.282 .marko.,
-->> Mada mi zvuci suvise glupo da Interpol koristi nesto sto je dostupno -->> bilo kome. U tome i jeste trik, mali je ovo svet koliki su to razbojnici :)))!
strani.sistemi.283 banek,
Kako da se priključim na Internet preko Slovenije? Može li to uopšte? Banek
strani.sistemi.284 banek,
Da li neko zna brojeve telefona nekog američkog BBS-a na 2400 bps? Banek
strani.sistemi.285 stigor,
Dragi drugari moji, evo nevolje: Imam jednu Geniusovu graficku tablu, gt1212b kupljenu pre windowsa 3.0 Kako znam da se takve table jos proizvode, pokusao sam da skinem taj drajver sa geniusovog BBS-a (u Tajvanu 886-2-995-0584 -> to je Taipei) Pa sam probao da se logujem ovako, preko phonea i suvise je losa veza. Zamolio sam jednog druga koji ima pristup na JUPAK da proba preko dialouta, samo on nema ni jedan Tajvanski dialout. Pa ako imate nekog iskustva sa tajvanskim bbsovima i lokalnim Dialoutima, ili mozda, kojim slucajem, imate taj drajver, Javite!!!! Šprijatelj me zamolio, da ostavim ovu poruku na sezam, pa ako neko nesto zna, unapred hvalaĆ
strani.sistemi.286 stigor,
>>Pa ako imate nekog iskustva sa tajvanskim bbsovima i lokalnim >>Dialoutima, >>ili mozda, kojim slucajem, imate taj drajver, Javite!!!! >>Šprijatelj me zamolio, da ostavim ovu poruku na sezam, pa ako neko >>nesto zna, unapred hvalaĆ Zar niko nema nijedan Dialout za Tajvan?
strani.sistemi.287 zormi,
* Zar niko nema nijedan Dialout za Tajvan? Na osnovu mojih razgovora sa tamošnjim trgovcima oni za takve stvari slabo mare ;) "X.25 equipment? Sorry, it's not popular here..."
strani.sistemi.288 nikola.p,
Pitanje sam vec video ali odgovor ne: KAKO DA PODESIM PARAMETRE ZA QSD ? Nekako i stignem do 'Set up your terminal' ali dalje ni makac. Unapred zahvalan Nikola
strani.sistemi.289 bestbp,
Jel' ti imas X.25 direktan ili ... ? Naime, ja sam imao slicnih problema sa EICON ║karticom i X25 prikljuckom, direktnim.
strani.sistemi.290 slom,
> KAKO DA PODESIM PARAMETRE ZA QSD ? > Nekako i stignem do 'Set up your terminal' ali dalje ni makac. Promeni parametre komunikacije. 7E1 -> 8N1 ili obrnuto sm
strani.sistemi.291 jmilosevic,
Da li neko održava vezu sa sa Telegodzilla, Omen Technology BBS? Treba mi file SCRIPTS.ZOO iz scripts subdirectory. Ili možda neko to već ima? Jova.
strani.sistemi.292 nikola.p,
Tako je . 8N1 pa proguras nekako kroz Jupak. Hvala :)
strani.sistemi.293 dejanr,
Evo malo istorije - kako je veliki sneg 16. januara 1978 godine inspirisao rađanje jednog od prvih BBS-ova u istoriji i kako je taj BBS radio... ========== hobby/tinker #3526, from wardc, 2704 chars, Thu Jan 20 00:27:07 1994 Comment to 3486. Comment(s). ---------- Heh, yep, 'twas the big snow of Jan 16, 1978 that brought CBBS into being - I called Randy Suess and said "Hey, I've got this extra box, and the phone line used to call in to the recorder for the computer club, I'm thinking of putting a system on it for the club so people could upload newsletter articles, etc. He said "Heck no, it should be in Chicago not the burbs, and we should forget the club - doing things by committee will never work - just you and me - I'LL do the hardware, you do the software, when will you be ready?" That was about it - dual diskette CP/M system, Hayes modem, etc. Randy came up with a neat circuit to reset the system and reboot on phone ring - I took the idea and did one from scratch for my "test system" - it was a couple 555 timers. When the phone rang, I held down the reset button for like .1 second, then inhibited THAT timer for the next 8 seconds or so - long enough to boot so it answered the phone and stopped ringing. If it failed to boot from the reset, the phone would reset it again and it would try again. Some of the fun programming hacks were things like keeping track of the last caller - I hacked a bunch but found an adequate distribution by randomizing the person's name just by adding up the chars in their name as 8-bit integers, and then dividing to give a remainder equal to the number of slots in the user file (512 or 1024). It was interesting that names of the same length tended to clump. What I did was "hash" your name to a file position, then scan the next 20 entries (I intentionally hashed enough short of the end of the file). As I scanned I noted the date of last call, and if I didn't find you in 20 names, I overlaid the one I found that was oldest. I had a special user flag for people I wanted to remember who didn't call that often - friends who had moved out of town, etc. Another value in that flag byte would signify an assistant operator - IF they had a password - they could kill any msg - thus multiple people could police the board in addition to me. Another invention was "high number validation" in which it was necessary to "approve" messages - they could be entered and viewed by the person entering, but no one could see them until I or an assistant operator approved them. This desperate step was required when twits tried to essentially shut the board down by being abusive. Best response to twits is to ignore them, NOT to feed on their problems by trying to reason with the ..... uh .. people. I took my test system down this Jan 1 - seemed no reason to run - couple calls a day, couple msgs a month, still running on S-100 single sided 600K diskettes - it would not break.. so I broke it...
strani.sistemi.294 dutchman,
BBS, Italia: FIDO PN 39-434-32020 (Pordenone) Eurosystem 39-438-585111 Vittorio Veneto Ovo je sa neke liste stare par godina, ova dva provereno rade.
strani.sistemi.295 maverick,
Ima li neko OD za area 604 ? pozdrav
strani.sistemi.296 stigor,
Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Unapred hvala ...
strani.sistemi.297 domana,
~~~ Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve ~~~ telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Imas neku vezu u posti?, pa si resio da se malo izivljavas :) Ako je jupak u pitanju, koliko ja znam, outdial-ova ima samo u Ameriki :) Pyc
strani.sistemi.298 stigor,
> ččč Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve > ččč telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... > Imas neku vezu u posti?, pa si resio da se malo izivljavas :) > Ako je jupak u pitanju, koliko ja znam, outdial-ova ima samo u > Ameriki :) Ma bilo sta (moze i Jupak i direkt), samo da je za Novi Zeland ...
strani.sistemi.299 pyramid,
> telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Nadam se da nećeš i tamo da grešiš, pa da nas brukaš !
strani.sistemi.300 stigor,
>> telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... > Nadam se da nećeš i tamo da grešiš, pa da nas brukaš ! Greska se slucajno potkrala ... ;) Nego ja pitah za Novozelandske BBSove, a ne za "korekciju gresaka" ... ;)
strani.sistemi.301 mikis,
+> hobby/tinker #3526, from wardc, 2704 chars, Thu Jan 20 00:27:07 1994 ^^^^^^ Tinkerbell, jel ovo neki rodjak? ;)))
strani.sistemi.302 slom,
> Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve > telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Evo 3 komada pa probaj. +64-4-389-5478 actrix Wellington NZ 3/12/24/96 24 Zenith 386/33MHz w/ ISC 386/ix 2.02; Actrix Information Exchange -- New Zealand's first Public Access UNIX. 750 Mb disk; 3 lines, USR Courier HST (T2500 due December 1990, X25 in '91). Fee: NZ$54 p.a. - offers heavily modified XBBS with USEnet and Fidonet, e-mail (elm), hundreds of file areas divided into sections for UNIX, MS-DOS, Amiga, Atari, Apple //, Macintosh, CP/M etc. Shell w/ many extras available via `Enhanced subscription'. Planned to join APC (PeaceNet/EcoNet); Contact: paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) PO Box 11-410, Wgtn, NZ +64-4-564-2317 cavebbs Wellington NZ 12/24 24 AT&T 3B2/400 w/SysV 3.2; The Cave MegaBBS System. 144MB disk; 4 lines. Free access line 1, NZD$40 donation requested for others. KCBBS s/w featuring Usenet, Fidonet 3:771/130.0 and conferencing, email and links with other local systems. The Cave runs concurrently using KiwiBoard s/w on two lines +64-4-643-429 12/24/96 V32MNP5 on a 386/25 to provide local messaging and 290MB of PC/Amiga/GIF/sound files; Contact: clear@cavebbs.gen.nz (Charlie Lear), Box 2009 Wellington, NZ +64-9-817-3725 kcbbs Auckland NZ 12/24/96 24 SMC 486/25MHz w/ ESIX 5.3.2 Rec C; Kappa Crucis Unix BBS. Fee: NONE 1140 Mb disk; 7 lines, T2500, 3*v32MP4/5, 2*2400MNP3/5, Radio modem tnc/Packet VHF. KCBBS s/w, non-Unix user interface (no user Unix shell access) with USEnet, Fidonet, GTnet, online weatherfax/gifs, Email, 100's file areas, off-line readers, multi-user chat, Astronomy/Science Fidonet 3:771/90, login as kc. Contact: dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix) sm
strani.sistemi.303 umajstorovic,
Jel zna neko da li postoji nesto kao Sezamova komanda users na CompuServe-u? Naime, imam jednog ortaka koji ima ID na CompuServe-u, pa sam mislio da odem "na jedno mesto" ;) pozovem CompuServe modemom, i saznam njegov user ID. Posto se nadam da je CompuServe dostupan preko Interneta (da li se varam?), mogao bih da mu pisem ovim nasim lepim e-mailom. BTW, da li zna neko tel. brojeve "najblizeg" CompuServe-a?
strani.sistemi.304 dejanr,
>> Jel zna neko da li postoji nesto kao Sezamova komanda users na >> CompuServe-u? Ja sam do skora mislio da ne postoji, međutim pre nekog vremena nađoh u nekom od menija tipa "Usluge" mogućnost pretraživanja po user-id-u, da se vidi kako se zove korisnik. Nešto ne primetih da ima i obratno, ali compuserve je tako veliki... Da, i kod tog pretraživanja nisam našao nekoliko korisnika koji pouzdano postoje. Moguće je da korisnik treba da preduzme nešto da bi mu se ime našlo u tom spisku, inače je "anoniman". Izgleda da mnogi nisu preduzeli to "nešto". >> Posto se nadam da je CompuServe dostupan preko Interneta (da li se >> varam?) Što se tiče pristupa, ne varaš se, ali nije ni da si sasvim u pravu. Baš ovde je pre nekog vremena opisano kako se preko Interneta stiže do CompuServe-a (posle je to preneseno i u Bajtove lične prirode), ali je pristup *papreno* skup, naplaćuje se onome ko tako zove sasvim pristojna sumica za svaki minut veze. Mnogo je bolje zvati preko JUPAK-a. Mail se, naravno, može razmenjivati sa Internetom ali na CompuServe-u se i taj mail posebno plaća, u okviru raznih aranžmana koje tamo imaš za pretplatu (recimo neka količina mail-a za fiksnu sumu, iznad toga po kilobajtu itd).
strani.sistemi.305 spale,
Da li postoji Hewlett Packard-ov BBS i ako postoji, koji je broj. Nikola
strani.sistemi.306 slom,
>Da li postoji Hewlett Packard-ov BBS i ako postoji, koji je broj. Ima na Internet-u HP BBS za korisnike HP kalkulatora. Adresa je: hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.16) login: new Ne znam ima li i telefonske ulaze. sm
strani.sistemi.307 dejanr,
>> Da li postoji Hewlett Packard-ov BBS i ako postoji, koji je broj. Verovatno HP ima više raznih sistema BBS tipa. Ja znam za onaj koji se bavi džepnim i portabl HP kompjuterima, zapravo BBS velikog HP-ovog odeljenja u Korvalisu, Oregon, koje se bavi tim stvarima. BBS je pristupačan preko Interneta, adresa mu je hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com Pristup je slobodan (i ja sam član, zovem se, zamisli :) dejanr :)) ali nešto nisam nalazio mnogo zanimljivih stvari tamo, pošto nemam HP48 niti neki od njihovih novijih modela. Takođe, možda varljiv utisak, ali javljaju se uglavnom oni koji su totalni (ali baš totalni) početnici, i oni koji žele nešto da prodaju/kupe. Ili možda ja nisam uspeo da nađem neke zanimljivije konferencije, moguće da ćeš ti biti uspešniji.
strani.sistemi.308 skerl,
Hewlett-Packard Cupertino, CA 415-847-1501
strani.sistemi.309 slom,
Subject: axposf.pa.dec.com is once again available For those of you who want to test drive an Alpha AXP system running DEC OSF/1 version 1.3, Digital is once again(at long last) providing this service to the Internet community. To register for an account, rlogin or telnet to axposf.pa.dec.com(16.1.0.14), log in as axpguest. Answer the questions and if you pass the screening, you will be given an account. There is no password, so just type return when you are asked for a password. The system, a DEC 4000/610, has been upgraded to revenue quality, has new software, more disk, new rules and new system manager(so PLEASE don't send your questions about axposf to me, send them to root@axposf.pa.dec.com). Please read all rules and guidelines and follow them when using the system. This system is for people wanting to try out an AXP system. It is not for use as a mail server, irc host, archive server, games server, news server or general computing engine. This system is NOT backed up, so it makes a really lousy archive site.;-) Please do not abuse this system; abusers will lose their accounts and possibly jeopardize their entire organization's access to this system. Plans are to continue offering this service through June 94. sm
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======================================= FTP.MICROSOFT.COM ======================================= Welcome to ftp.microsoft.com. You will find the following subdirectories for your use. Softlib: Software Library tree containg a subtree for the Microsoft Software Library files which contains drivers, patches appnotes and other support files from Microsoft Product Support. Advsys: Advanced Systems directory tree containing subtrees for information pertaining to LanMan, WinNT, MsMail, & SQLServer. Deskapps: Desk Top Applications directory tree containing subtrees for information pertaining to all Microsoft Applications such as MS Word and Excel. Devtools: Development Tools directory tree containing subtrees for information pertaining to all Microsoft development tools and Languages. Peropsys: Personal Operating Systems directory tree containing subtrees for information on all Microsoft operating systems including Windows and Windows NT. You may report any problems with this server to "csftpad@microsoft.com". Sorry, individual replies may not be possible, but all mail will be read. sm
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>> Welcome to ftp.microsoft.com. You will >> find the following subdirectories for your use. Na tom serveru se može naći gomila korisnih informacija kao i sofwtare-a. Prvo, za sve (?) Microsoft-ove programe postoji poseban direktorijum u kome su informacije o bug-ovima, zatim odgovori na najčešće postavljana pitanja (FAQ) kojih ima zaista mnogo. Fajlovi su organizaovani da svako pitanje/odgovor kao i svaki bug i sl. se nalaze u posebnom fajlu. U svakom dir-u postoji index, pa je najbolje da se prvo dl-uje index, pronađe šta treba, pa zatim da se dl-uju željene fajle. Baza programa je takođe velika. Uglavnom su to utility-ji i naročito drajveri za raznorazne kartice i drugu opremu. Paya
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>> Verovatno HP ima više raznih sistema BBS tipa. Ja znam za onaj koji >> se bavi džepnim i portabl HP kompjuterima, zapravo BBS velikog HP-ovog >> odeljenja u Korvalisu, Oregon, koje se bavi tim stvarima. BBS je >> pristupačan preko Interneta, adresa mu je hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com Mislio sam na BBS kao podršku njihovim proizvodima na kojem se nalaze novi drajveri za skenere, štampače... Uostalom, pretpostavljao sam da ne postoji pošto ni u jednom uputstvu za njihovu robu nisam video broj. Ipak, hvala i tebi i slomu. >> Pristup je slobodan (i ja sam član, zovem se, zamisli :) dejanr :)) ali """"""""""""""""""""""""""" Ma ko bi to poverovao ;)) Nikola