unix.1jpptticb,
re:
> ===============================
> 4.1131 PC.OS.4:unix
> ppekovic, 25.03.Sub 23:24, 2482 chr
> Odgovor na 4.1121, jpptticb, 25.03.Sub 02:15
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Za iznajmljene linije se kao jednostavniji za konfigurisanje
> i
> održavanje pokazao SLIP dok je PPP bolji izbor za vezu pre
> komutiranih linija (ne računajući tu stalne veze sa auto
> dial-back modemima uvek između tačno definisana dva hosta, što
> je funkcionalno gotovo identično iznajmljenim linijama). Nema
> ničeg posebnog u konfigurisanju i rekao bi da su i SLIP i PPP
> mnogo manje osetljivi na konfiguraciju modema od UUCP-a recimo.
> Dakle, probaj sa uobičajenom konfiguracijom kojom bi zvao
> BBS-ove.
>
> >> 3) Kada se može/nemože uključiti kompresija, i (ili) korekcija
> >> grešaka na SLIP/PPP liniji?
>
> Uključi i korekciju grešaka i kompresiju ako i druga
> strana omogućuje to. Kad uključiš kompresiju i korekciju
> isključi ih na modemu jer više ne koriste, mogu samo da smetaju.
Kod nas je situacija sledeća: uglavnom pokušavamo sa SLIP-om, jer
imamo jednu stalnu vezu i jednu vezu sa tačno određenim hostom, a
veze idu preko posebne mreže (koja bi trebala biti kompatibilna sa
PTT-ovom). Probali smo stvarno sve moguće i nemoguće kombinacije, ali
nikako da ostvarimo 100% stabilnu vezu. Jedan dan komunikacija može da
prođe bez problema, a već sledećeg dana linija se veoma često ruši.
Sve se ovo odnosi na zakupljenu liniju. Isprobana su tri para modema,
i najbolje su se pokazali neki stariji Motorolini (V.3240i) i to kada
su postavljeni na MNP4 (ne podržavaju LAPM) i 9600 bps (DCE-najveća
podržana linijska brzina). Ova kombinacija nam je međutim bila malo
spora pa smo probali i 14400 modeme. Motorola V.32b.42i je sličan po
robusnosti prethodno opisanom (manji je), ali ni na 9600 bps-a nije
mogao da drži stabilnu vezu u meri u kojoj je to radio stariji brat.
Uključena je i kompresija i korekcija grešaka (LAPM) pored kompresije
hedera (+c), jer se tako pokazalo najbolje (po metodi probanja). Slično
se ponaša i jedan par Quantum ACTIVE 144UF Plus modema (iz Hong Kong-a).
Zaboravio sam reći da je ova zakupljena linija "dugačka" oko 4 Km. Šta
nam smeta? Proba sa PING <remote_host> daje minimalno 200-300 ms odziv
sa Motorolom, a 300-400 ms sa ACTIVE modemima. Međutim ovaj odziv zna
znatno da "otpliva" (čak i na više od 20000 ms). žesto na konzoli "trče"
neki "TCP sum"-ovi. Na dial-in liniji (rastojanje je oko 80 Km, odnosno
od Beograda do Novog Sada) ispadanja i problemi su znatno češći, iako je
brzina na 4800 ili 7200 bps-a (na višim nema šanse da radi). Olakšavajuća
okolnost je što ova veza nije tako zahtevna po pitanju brzine.
Hmmm, mogao sam ovo i malo lepše/preglednije da napišem, al' nema veze,
koga interesuje snaći će se, a koga ne interesuje odustaće od čitanja.
unix.2rkramer,
C:\> prođe bez problema, a već sledećeg dana linija se
C:\> Sve se ovo odnosi na zakupljenu liniju. Isprobana
C:\> su tri para modema, i najbolje su se pokazali
C:\> neki stariji Motorolini (V.3240i) i to kada
Ne znam da li je ovo već bilo negde, ali mi se čini kao dobar
momenat da pitam. Šta su zakupljene, a šta komutirane linije, kakve
su razlike u ceni, kvalitetu, i sl. Što detaljnije, to bolje :)
unix.3vlad,
> Ne znam da li je ovo već bilo negde, ali mi se čini kao dobar
> momenat da pitam. Šta su zakupljene, a šta komutirane linije, kakve
> su razlike u ceni, kvalitetu, i sl. Što detaljnije, to bolje :)
Vec je bilo, ali ajde B).
Zakupljena ili leased linija nije nista drugo nego direktno
povezivanje dva pretplatnika. Linija je posvecena komunikaciji
izmedju dve tacke i ne moze se prekinuti bez intervencije u
posti. Dakle, nema okretanja broja, nema pucanja veze - kao
"pastirski telefon" B). Placa se jednokratno, plus (ako se ne
varam) neka sitna pretplata. Cena zavisi od broja centrala koje
veza treba da premosti, i ne mora da ima mnogo veze sa geografskom
udaljenoscu. Iznajmljena linija bi trebalo da bude i prociscena
posebnim filterima mada to kod nas cesto nije slucaj. Samim tim
sto je neprekidna i ne ide preko biraca i raznoraznih releja po
pravilu bi trebalo da bude dosta cistija (i najcesce jeste).
Sve u svemu, iznajmljena linija se vrlo isplati ako su ispunjena
dva uslova:
1. Potrebna je stalna i neprekidna komunikacija (na primer prijem
servisa novinske agencije).
2. Udaljenost nije prevelika (svaka premoscena centrala dodaje
prilicnu sumu na cenu uvodjenja linije).
Komutirana linija je ova svakodnevna najobicnija telefonska
linija sa koje moras da biras (komutiras B) ) broj koji zoves.
unix.4postmast,
From: zoranp@fon (Zoran Petrovic)
Subject: HP-UX 7.0 fontovi
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 04:45:41 GMT
Pozdrav !
Da li neko ima fontove za HP-UX verzija 7.0, pretpostavljam da su isti
i za verzije 8.0 i 9.0. Preciznije fontove od 100dpi ( 75dpi imam ).
Fontovi se nalaze u direktorijumimausr/lib/X11/fonts/hp_roman8/75dpi
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/hp_roman8/100dpi
Na sistemu se nalaze fontovi za 100dpi ali samo za iso_8859.1
Extension za fontove je *.scf
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zoran V. Petrovic IRITEL zoranp@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
epetrovi@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.5postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (SuperUser)
Subject: Re: Ftp se cudno ponasa..
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:45:40 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
: E da tebe covek slusa pobegao bi od Linuxa. Stvarno:) Jel to moze u malo
: vise redova... ?
wu :== Washington University
Slican je onom diku ftp-u sto dobijes uz instalaciju jedina razlika
je da sve ono sto ti pise u manualu za ftp radi dok kod ovog diku-a i
ne radi kako treba.
lokacija:
ftp://galeb/util/sys/wu-ftpd-2.4*
--
Dragan D. Vecerina, Obrovac - Beograd :))))))))))))))))))))))))
unix.6postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: linux NFS
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:27:50 GMT
Zanima me da li postoji neka distribucija Linux-a koja podrzava
yellow pages (?), nesto kao na DEC-ovima. Tj. da li postoji instalacija
na disketi sa koje se ucita kernel i root dir. mountuje preko NFS-a.
Ja sam uspeo da "dignem" linux sa diskete i da mountujem direktorijume
sa remote racunara ali kako to da uradim sa "/" direktorijumom...
(vb)
unix.7postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:03:40 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
-> i treba da ti mauntuje novi disk pod direktorijumom /mnt.
-> Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve u
-> / i pod njim na mnt.
Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje. Kopira se
sa
(cd /; tar cf - bin boot .... var) | (cd mnt; tar xvf -)
U spisak od bin do var staviti sve fajlove/dirove iz / dir-a osim /mnt,
/lost+found, /proc i /tmp. Zadnja tri napravis by hand na /mnt.
Nastavak je uglavnom kako pise andrea. Vadi se stari disk, kaci novi,
butira sa boot diskete od slekver i to sa mount root=/dev/hd?? i onda se
uloguje, izedituje /etc/lilo.conf, starta /sbin/lilo i onda rebutira. To je
to :).
unix.8postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:05:50 GMT
Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Koristim DOSEMU 0.53pl39 i sve radi kako treba, osim telemate-a.
-> Naime, kada okrenem broj iz telemate-ovog dialer-a odgovor modema ne dodje
-> na dailer-ov ekran vec ode na terminal ekran (ispod dialer-a) tako da mi se
-> desava da telemate ne shvata kada mu modem vrati BUSY, pa ceka ceo minut da
-> prekine vezu i pokusa ponovo da nazove. Telemate je konfigurisan za VGA/ 27
-> linija (probao i sa 25 linija ali i dalje nije radilo), kartica Cirrus
-> 5428 VLB, a u dosemu.conf sam stavio: video { vga console graphics }, a
-> allowvideoportaccess sam probao i sa on i off i opet nista. Zna li neko
-> resenje za ovaj problem ?
Jesi setovao serial linije u config?
Meni je telemate imao poneki delay, ali je radio.
unix.9postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Ftp se cudno ponasa..
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:03:51 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu):
>> Kada promenim home dir u nesto drugo (sto postoji, naravno) recimo
>> /usr/files/ftp (sa istim permissionsima, sve 100 puta pogledano!)
>> dir i ls nista ne daju.. ali kada kucam cd pub on prihvati... Znaci
>> nece da ispisuje nista sa dir i ls...
Tvoj stari home directory korisnika ftp (/home/ftp) sadrzi i
jos neke podkataloge osim pub. Jedan od njih je bin koji
sadrzi program ls, jer anonymous ftp ne bi trebao da ima
pristup direktorijumu /bin (onom pravom).
Dakle, resenje je da iskopiras sadrzaj /home/ftp u
/usr/files/ftp. To ces najlakse uraditi komandom
mv /home/ftp /users/files/ftp (ako su i /home/ftp i
/users/files na istoj particiji; u suprotnom ne radi mv
direktorijuma -- tada korsitis tar sa -p opcijom).
>> Cime da ga koljem?
Kakvo crno klanje? :-) Nonviolent conflict resolution je
super stvar... :-)
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.10postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: linux NFS
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:16:25 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc):
>> Zanima me da li postoji neka distribucija Linux-a koja podrzava
>> yellow pages (?), nesto kao na DEC-ovima. Tj. da li postoji instalacija
>> na disketi sa koje se ucita kernel i root dir. mountuje preko NFS-a.
>> Ja sam uspeo da "dignem" linux sa diskete i da mountujem direktorijume
>> sa remote racunara ali kako to da uradim sa "/" direktorijumom...
Yellow Pages (ili Network Information Service) klijenti vec postoje
u tcpip.tgz Slackware paketu (N1 disk) a server se moze naci kod
Vecxe na Galebu preko anonymous FTP-ja (yp-serv-0.12.tar.gz). Ja
sam ga iskompajlirao i namestio kod mene na poslu.
E sad, oko YP su misljenja podeljena. Neki ga nazivaju
brain-dead softverom, neki bez njega ne mogu da zive. Ja sam
ga stavio zato sto ga PC-NFS podrzava pa neke stvari na DOS
stanicama lakse mogu da namestim ali mi se cini da komplikuje
odrzavanje mreze. Mozda i nisam u pravu, ali ako hoces da
dizes Linux na diskless stanicama onda je on valjda jedino
resenje...
Ko zna bolje, neka se oglasi... :-)
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.11postmast,
From: ddjokic@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: Free memory?
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:59:44 GMT
>> free, ps i dmesg ce dati razlicite informacije o memoriji cija kombinacije
>>daje kompletnu sliku (recimo:).
Sve to je nepotrebno, komanda top daje sve potrebne informacije
o sistemu, o zauzecu memorije, o procesima (aktivni, neaktivni,
zombi i sl ), o procesoru ( koliko koristi sistem, korisnici i
koliko je besposlen), kad je masina zadnji put butnuta itd...
Sve to radi tako sto ti na nekih par sekundi daje novo stanje,
lepota jedna.
unix.12postmast,
From: acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Lazarevic)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:53:34 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: -> Koristim DOSEMU 0.53pl39 i sve radi kako treba, osim telemate-a.
: -> Naime, kada okrenem broj iz telemate-ovog dialer-a odgovor modema ne dodje
: -> na dailer-ov ekran vec ode na terminal ekran (ispod dialer-a) tako da mi se
: -> desava da telemate ne shvata kada mu modem vrati BUSY, pa ceka ceo minut da
: -> prekine vezu i pokusa ponovo da nazove. Telemate je konfigurisan za VGA/ 27
: -> linija (probao i sa 25 linija ali i dalje nije radilo), kartica Cirrus
: -> 5428 VLB, a u dosemu.conf sam stavio: video { vga console graphics }, a
: -> allowvideoportaccess sam probao i sa on i off i opet nista. Zna li neko
: -> resenje za ovaj problem ?
Znam da smo ja i bole udavili ljude oko Dosemulatora ali ta ces :<<
Neko je rekao kako nimo dovoljno uporni i da odma trazimo pomoc...
E pa sad am stvarno bio uporan i USPEO sam da kompajliram Dosemu pl 44
(dragisha mi je posla,hvala mu ko bratu,pl. 46 koji trazi neki novi libc koji
niko nema :((( )
Znaci kompajliranje prodje OK ja prekopiram config.dist i izmenim samo
podatke o floppy diskovima i pokrenem dos -A koji samo malo zavrti HD i
vrati me u prompt !!!
Evo sta dobijam kad stderr preusmerim u fajl i enablujem debug opcije:
CONF: dosbanner on
CONF: timint on
CONF: Keyboard-layout us
CONF: IPX support off
CONF: 1024k bytes XMS memory
CONF: 1024k bytes EMS memory
CONF: not allowing speaker port access
device: /dev/fd0 type 2 h: 0 s: 0 t: 0
Error: (line 004) parse error
1 error(s) detected while parsing the configuration-file
leavedos(0) called - shutting down
Floppy disk Closing 0
Parse error u 4-tom redu je to sto me zbunjuje jer je ceo conf OK a pogotovo
4-ti red koji je inace comment
Ipak mislim da je baceno neko prokletstvo na mene i dosemu :)))
AcaL
unix.13postmast,
From: bb_link@durlan.co.yu (bb_link)
Subject: Presnimavanje
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:58:44 MET
ORIGIN. From: DJDULE
ORIGIN. To: BOSKO RADIVOJEVIC
BR > Ovih dana bi trebalo da dobijem veci disk. Pa me interesuje kako da
BR >sadasnji linux (na sadasnjem disku, posto ovaj disk treba da ide:) prebacim
BR >na novu (vecu) particiju na novom disku... Da na pomenem imam i dos
BR >particiju. Imam neke ideje, samo mi trulo izgledaju (da sve tarujem, snimim
BR >na dos part, posle na novom disku ... ali nesto mi ne izgleda da ce da
BR >radi:)
Po meni ovako. Uzmes novi disk, na njemu napravis linux particiju,
namontiras ga u neki dir na starom disku (mount drdrdrdrdrdr....)
onda kazes mv i sve prebacis na novi i onda u /etc/lilo.conf promenis
odakle ti se sta dize. To je samo moja pretpostavka, nikad nisam probao.
---
* SPEED 1.30 #514 * Nije vazno stici prvi. Vazno je stici pre drugog.
unix.14postmast,
From: bb_link@durlan.co.yu (bb_link)
Subject: color_xterm
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 22:36:19 MET
ORIGIN. From: DJDULE
ORIGIN. To: ALL
Zna li neko kako se konfigurisu boje onom color_xterm - u koji se dobija uz
Linux ?
I jos mi treba neki dobar editor za XWindows-e. Gde ima ?
(moze Internet adresa ako nema u Jugi)
---
* SPEED 1.30 #514 * Pomozite miliciji - batinajte sami sebe .
unix.15postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 01:59:54 GMT
ĐŠč On 03-30-95 07:03 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje.
Dr> Kopira se sa
Dr> (cd /; tar cf - bin boot .... var) | (cd mnt; tar xvf -)
Hm, nisam to znao. Ili mozda nisam primetio, jer do sada nisam mnogo
drndao sa linkovima. Uglavnom sam ih sam pravio za neke potrebe.
Moracu da probam. Fala na tip-u. :)
Dr> U spisak od bin do var staviti sve fajlove/dirove iz / dir-a osim
Dr> /mnt, /lost+found, /proc i /tmp. Zadnja tri napravis by hand na /mnt.
Dr> Nastavak je uglavnom kako pise andrea. Vadi se stari disk, kaci
Dr> novi, butira sa boot diskete od slekver i to sa mount root=/dev/hd?? i
Dr> onda se uloguje, izedituje /etc/lilo.conf, starta /sbin/lilo i onda
Dr> rebutira. To je to :).
Joj ba, pa ja pogod'jo! :-)))
Super, vala. Zahvaljujem na referenciranju na mene. ;)
... Neko jos nije rekao:"Vama ne sme niko da iskljucuje struju!"
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.16postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: newsgroups
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 13:37:28 GMT
Svaka cast za prenosenje comp.os.linux.* tema!
Da li ce se one redovno prenositi?
(vb)
unix.17postmast,
From: acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Lazarevic)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:42:15 GMT
Aleksandar Lazarevic (acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: niko nema :((( )
: Znaci kompajliranje prodje OK ja prekopiram config.dist i izmenim samo
: podatke o floppy diskovima i pokrenem dos -A koji samo malo zavrti HD i
: vrati me u prompt !!!
: Evo sta dobijam kad stderr preusmerim u fajl i enablujem debug opcije:
: CONF: dosbanner on
: CONF: timint on
: CONF: Keyboard-layout us
: CONF: IPX support off
: CONF: 1024k bytes XMS memory
: CONF: 1024k bytes EMS memory
: CONF: not allowing speaker port access
: device: /dev/fd0 type 2 h: 0 s: 0 t: 0
: Error: (line 004) parse error
: 1 error(s) detected while parsing the configuration-file
: leavedos(0) called - shutting down
: Floppy disk Closing 0
: Parse error u 4-tom redu je to sto me zbunjuje jer je ceo conf OK a pogotovo
: 4-ti red koji je inace comment
: Ipak mislim da je baceno neko prokletstvo na mene i dosemu :)))
: AcaL
E ja se izvinjavam sto sam odma poleto da pisem :)))
KONACNO sam namestio Dosemu (sad mi i sa steckerom radi !!!)
Problem je inace bio u .dosrc fajlu koji se na volseban nacin zadesio u mom
root diru...
AcaL
unix.18postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:57:13 GMT
Mihailo Stefanovic (mikis@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> +> :>> Subject: DISTRIBUTION: Mini Linux ( in 4 diskettes )
-> +>
-> +> Da li ovoga ima (ili ce biti) negde na yuinternetu?
-> ...ili bar na Hobbitonu? :)
Zar ne stize prije par dana moja replika o ovome? Mini-Linux je na
hobbiton, i cim dodjem do normalne veze ka bgd, cu da uucp na fon.
--
.oooO _ _ Oooo.
( ) / ) ( \ ( )
\ ( / ( ) \ ) /
----\_)( ) ( )(_/---|)/\/`/(|-
unix.19postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: Ftp se cudno ponasa..
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:17:00 GMT
-=> malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu napisa:
> sadrzi program ls, jer anonymous ftp ne bi trebao da ima
> pristup direktorijumu /bin (onom pravom).
Ok.. thanx svima sve radi!
Pozdrav!
unix.20postmast,
From: bblink@durlan.co.yu (BBLink)
Subject: unix
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:25:32 MET
ORIGIN. From: PANON BBS
ORIGIN. To: "MARKO NESOVIC" <VIOLATO
"N<>:>> Subject: DISTRIBUTION: Mini Linux ( in 4 diskettes )
"N<> Da li ovoga ima (ili ce biti) negde na yuinternetu?
Bice na ovom bbs-u, samo koliko sam obavesten od organizatora nece
biti bas 4 diskete:)
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* Origin: BBLink <tm> * DURLAN BBS * 018/713-836 * Nis
unix.21postmast,
From: bblink@durlan.co.yu (BBLink)
Subject: FoxPro for UNIX !
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:25:34 MET
ORIGIN. From: DUSAN HADNADJEV
ORIGIN. To: ALL
Imali li ga neko ljudi ^ ? :(((
P.S. Znam, moze se kupiti ! ;>
---
* OLX 2.1 TD * *********************************************************
* Origin: BBLink <tm> * DURLAN BBS * 018/713-836 * Nis
unix.22postmast,
From: bblink@durlan.co.yu (BBLink)
Subject: winswap
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:25:37 MET
ORIGIN. From: IVAN RADANOVIC
ORIGIN. To: IVAN NEJGEBAUER
Ne kapiram zasto windows nece da mi napravi permanent swap file ...
Kaze due to partitioning scheme, ja kontam unix, ali nece da ga
napravi ni na seagate-u :(((
Jel ti imas takvih problema?? (i jel si delio particije fips-om ili
fdiskom)
---
* SLMR 2.1a #2000 * Ja volim samo sebe, a tebe ko je*e...
* Origin: BBLink <tm> * DURLAN BBS * 018/713-836 * Nis
unix.23postmast,
From: bblink@durlan.co.yu (BBLink)
Subject: winswap
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:25:39 MET
ORIGIN. From: IVAN NEJGEBAUER
ORIGIN. To: IVAN RADANOVIC
>> Ne kapiram zasto windows nece da mi napravi permanent swap file
>> ... Kaze due to partitioning scheme, ja kontam unix, ali nece da
>> ga napravi ni na seagate-u :(((
Kazu i meni, a ja sam odavno odustao od pokusaja da ih urazumim. Ako
te ne mrzi, probaj da instaliras Win od nule.
---
* SLMR 2.1a #2015 * A bird in the hand is a big mistake.
* Origin: BBLink <tm> * DURLAN BBS * 018/713-836 * Nis
unix.24postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: newsgroups
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 20:53:46 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
-> Svaka cast za prenosenje comp.os.linux.* tema!
-> Da li ce se one redovno prenositi?
Hoce, AFAIK :). Bio sam u prekidu devet dana zbog ove frke na Majevici,
ali sada je sve kako je i bilo i nadam se da ce od sutra da se nastavi
prenos grupcadi.
--
.oooO _ _ Oooo.
( ) / ) ( \ ( )
\ ( / ( ) \ ) /
----\_)( ) ( )(_/---|)/\/`/(|-
unix.25postmast,
From: smpe@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Subject: cdrom
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 00:41:00 GMT
unix.26postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: winswap
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 01:59:29 GMT
BBLink (bblink@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: ORIGIN. From: IVAN NEJGEBAUER
: ORIGIN. To: IVAN RADANOVIC
: >> Ne kapiram zasto windows nece da mi napravi permanent swap file
: >> ... Kaze due to partitioning scheme, ja kontam unix, ali nece da
: >> ga napravi ni na seagate-u :(((
: Kazu i meni, a ja sam odavno odustao od pokusaja da ih urazumim. Ako
: te ne mrzi, probaj da instaliras Win od nule.
Evo sheme koja je upalila kod 3.1 (3.11 bi trebao da bude OK). Posto
ni kompletno brisanje i reinstaliranje od nule nije uspelo (ukljucjuci i
optimizaciju diska) na C: particiji, ja sam lepo krenuo da instaliram dummy
sistem na D: particiji. Tom prilikom je instalacioni program konacno predlozio
permanent swap i to na C: particiji ! :-)), sto je sa odusevljenjem prihvaceno.
Po zavrsetku minimalne instalacije lepo sam pobio win sa D: i krenuo sa punom
instalacijom na C: - OSTAVLJAJUCI UPRAVO NAPRAVLJEN PERMANENT SWAP FILE. Sada
je instalacioni program lepo video da vec ima swap file - predlozio da ga
iskoristi - predlog prihvacen - HAPPY END. Od tada pa na dalje i u buduce uvek
drzim i D: particiju makar bila i mala - zlu ne trebalo.
unix.27postmast,
From: smpe@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Subject: cdrom
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 01:28:06 GMT
unix.28postmast,
From: smpe@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Subject: cdrom
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 01:31:05 GMT
Postoji li driver za non-SCSI CDROMzSCO UNIX
unix.29postmast,
From: smpe@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Subject: cdrom
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 02:02:00 GMT
Postoji li driver za non-SCSI CD-ROM za SCO UNIX ?
unix.30postmast,
From: smpe@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Subject: cdrom
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 02:13:35 GMT
Postoji li driver za non-SCSI CD-ROM za SCO UNIX ?
unix.31postmast,
From: todorp@fon (Predrag Todorovic)
Subject: Dosemu & Hercules
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 09:55:09 GMT
Hi!
Da li je neko uspeo da natera dosemu da radi sa herkulesom u grafickom modu
a da nije neka glupost (na 3 linije 2 ispise a 1 ne).
U config-u mi stoji:
video { mda console graphics }
Pozdrav od Pedje!
unix.32postmast,
From: bole@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Ansi term...
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 09:18:40 GMT
Hi.... :)
Kao sto subject kaze, ANSI TERMINAL EMULACIJA.. Imam poprilicno problema,
jer kad se PPP-ujem, ona druga masina ima ansi term, a ja nemam.. I onda
neke stvari bas nece da rade (backspace, ctrl-backspace). Pitanje se samo
namece:) Kako da ostvarim ansi emulaciju na linuxu (eh.. gde je sada dos
i ansi.sys:)...
--
Pozdravlja vas,
Bole@Mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu
unix.33postmast,
From: markom@setnet.co.yu (Marko Milivojevic)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 13:39:52
-=> Reply to: Aleksandar Lazarevic <=-
AL> Parse error u 4-tom redu je to sto me zbunjuje jer je ceo conf OK a
AL> pogotovo 4-ti red koji je inace comment
AL>
AL> Ipak mislim da je baceno neko prokletstvo na mene i dosemu :)))
E, mislim da (mozda) imam resenje za tebe. Vidis, ima jedna
zackoljica kod kompajliranja kernela novijih od 1.0.9 ;-) A
to je (valjda) usr/src/linux/asm (nisam siguran za dir). E,
to treba da bude link na jedan drugi *asm* dir iz novog
kernelovog sorsa, a njih ima par. Ne secam se tacno kako je
bilo kod mene, ali znam da sam crkao dok sam potrefio pravi.
Kompajliranje dosemu-a nece prijavljivati greske, ali zato
izvrsna verzija nece raditi posao, bas kao kod tebe :-)
Probaj, pa javi sta si uradio.
-=> MM <=-
... Potok tece tok tok tok, ja se gojim grok grok grok
* Origin: SETNet - Exodus, Beograd #137-477# from 22:00 to 09:00 (38:103/130)
unix.34postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: DISTRIBUTION: Mini Linux ( in 4 diskettes )
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 21:49:05 GMT
Radivoje Zonjic (rade+@osmeh) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> : [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
-> : [ Author was mvalente@draco.lnec.pt ]
-> : [ Posted on 13 Mar 1995 11:44:00 +0200 ]
Ne kontam repliku :).
A da se ovo ne bi dovlacilo, sve je vec kod mene i cim prodje glavna frka
u mene u komsiluku, cu da ga trznem na fon.
Kad sam vec u offisu... isto vazi za nastavak prenosa unix i linux grupcadi.
dd
unix.35postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Ftp se cudno ponasa..
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 21:50:54 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
-> Kada je home dir korisnika ftp (root anonymousa) bude default /home/ftp
-> sve lepo radi...
-> Kada promenim home dir u nesto drugo (sto postoji, naravno) recimo
-> /usr/files/ftp (sa istim permissionsima, sve 100 puta pogledano!)
-> dir i ls nista ne daju.. ali kada kucam cd pub on prihvati... Znaci
-> nece da ispisuje nista sa dir i ls...
Prebaci i bin i lib poddirove. dir i ls oba pozivaju /bin/ls, tj
-> Cime da ga koljem?
Ko kolje, sta kolje? Sad cu ja sa chakijom :). Bas smo ih ostrili prije
neki dan :)).
#! rnews 823
unix.36postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: Ftp se cudno ponasa..
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:35:20 GMT
-=> vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu napisa:
> Kako bi bilo novim Ftpd-om :)))) npr. wu-ftpd.
E da tebe covek slusa pobegao bi od Linuxa. Stvarno:) Jel to moze u malo
vise redova... ?
Pozdrav..
unix.37postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 00:15:46 GMT
ĐŠč On 03-28-95 08:50 Bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu wrote:
Bo> Haug svima!
Haug i tebi!
Bo> Ovih dana bi trebalo da dobijem veci disk. Pa me interesuje kako da
Bo> sadasnji linux (na sadasnjem disku, posto ovaj disk treba da ide:)
Bo> prebacim na novu (vecu) particiju na novom disku... Da na pomenem imam
Bo> i dos particiju. Imam neke ideje, samo mi trulo izgledaju (da sve
Bo> tarujem, snimim na dos part, posle na novom disku ... ali nesto mi ne
Bo> izgleda da ce da radi:)
Posto se ja i ti pocesto dopisujemo, uglavnom zbog dosemuleta, evo sa'cu
ti dam moju ideju koja je radila kod mene nesto slicno.
Naime, prvo prikacis oba diska na kontroler, i proveris da li rade.
Onda startujes linux i on treba prilikom boot-a da prijavi oba diska,
ali ti je naravno mount-ovan samo originalni, koji ostavis kao C:
odnosno /dev/hdaxxx gde je root na njemu.
Dalje, startujes fdisk /dev/hdb posto on sad bude novi disk, i onda
formatiras koliko ti treba, odnosno napravis linux particiju na njemu i
stavis ext2 filesystem ili koji vec koristis (isti kao i na /dev/hda).
Onda izadjes iz fdisk-a i kazes mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb /mnt (na primer)
i treba da ti mauntuje novi disk pod direktorijumom /mnt.
Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve u
/ i pod njim na mnt.
Sto ne bude hteo tako, moraces rucno (linkove recimo, mada nisam
siguran).
Naravno, sve ovo radis kao root, i cuvas boot/root instalacione diskete
pri ruci, zlu ne trebalo.
Onda kucas umount /mnt i reboot posle toga.
Zatim iskljucis makinu, zamenis novi disk tako da bude jedini kao C: i
startujes opet linux. Ako nesto zeza, digni sistem sa disketa pa
proveri, ali trebalo bi da radi. Mozda jedino da podesavas /etc/fstab
ili /etc/mtab, mada ne znam sigurno.
Ja sam na ovaj nacin sebi zakacio jos jedan disk kao D: i mountovao ga
pod direktorijumom /diskb i onda napravio link na /usr/src na /dev/hda
sa ln -siv /usr/src /diskb i sve je radilo kako valja. Tj. kad bih
pristupao /usr/src na /dev/hda on je u stvari pristupao /dev/hdb.
Mozda ima i bolje resenje cele price, ako neko ima, neka kaze i meni, da
znam za nadalje i ubuduce!
... Neko jos nije rekao:"Vama ne sme niko da iskljucuje struju!"
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.38postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: unix+portovi
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 00:15:58 GMT
Haj svima.
Treba mi pomoc oko komunikacije preko LPT i COM portova pod unix-om i
dos-om.
Naime, trebale bi mi nekakve univerzalne rutine za rad preko LPT i COM
porta za dos i za Linux+SCO+BSD, pisane u obicnom C-u (nista C++, jos
sam mali za to :))
Ako ne moze i za jedno i za drugo, onda bar za unix, jer za dos neka
resenja vec imam.
Ko moze da pomogne, moze da mi posalje gotov source za Linux pre svega
na andrea@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu a moze i ovde da mi da neki savet.....
Hvala unapred.
BTW, ovo saljem i u yu.prog.c, da bi bio siguran da ce i ostali da
procitaju. Ako je nekom zasmetalo, izvinjavam se.
... Neko jos nije rekao:"Vama ne sme niko da iskljucuje struju!"
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.39postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 18:42:13 GMT
Marko Milivojevic (markom@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> -=> Reply to: Aleksandar Lazarevic <=-
-> AL> Parse error u 4-tom redu je to sto me zbunjuje jer je ceo conf OK a
-> AL> pogotovo 4-ti red koji je inace comment
-> AL>
-> AL> Ipak mislim da je baceno neko prokletstvo na mene i dosemu :)))
-> E, mislim da (mozda) imam resenje za tebe. Vidis, ima jedna
-> zackoljica kod kompajliranja kernela novijih od 1.0.9 ;-) A
-> to je (valjda) usr/src/linux/asm (nisam siguran za dir). E,
-> to treba da bude link na jedan drugi *asm* dir iz novog
-> kernelovog sorsa, a njih ima par. Ne secam se tacno kako je
-> bilo kod mene, ali znam da sam crkao dok sam potrefio pravi.
make config linkuje sta treba. A ti asm dirovi su toliko razliciti da nema
sanse da uopste prodje compile ako pointujes na pogresan.
NHF, ali ovo gore je nebulozno.
unix.40postmast,
From: bblink@durlan.co.yu (BBLink)
Subject: winswap
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 95 18:40:40 MET
ORIGIN. From: MILOS PETROVIC
ORIGIN. To: IVAN RADANOVIC
>>>> Ne kapiram zasto windows nece da mi napravi permanent swap file
>>>> ... Kaze due to partitioning scheme, ja kontam unix, ali nece da
>>>> ga napravi ni na seagate-u :(((
>>Kazu i meni, a ja sam odavno odustao od pokusaja da ih urazumim. Ako
>>te ne mrzi, probaj da instaliras Win od nule.
Znam da nije za ovu konferenciju i da nije bas popularno, ali iskustvo mi
govori da sta god se promeni u hardweru, zahteva ponovnu instalavciju win-a.
Tek kad sam ga od nule instalirao onda je skontao da imam CD-ROM i da nemoze
32-bit disk acsess i uposte mi neda da ga selektujem, a do sada je bilo takvih
brljotina i kad je ukljucen i kad je iskljucen...
Veliki broblem su mi stampari koji kupe masinu pa vremenom trpaju svasta u
nju i onda dodje trenutak kada je jedino resenje uraditi sve iz pocetka...
---
* Origin: BBLink <tm> * DURLAN BBS * 018/713-836 * Nis
unix.41marcony,
Molim za pomoc.
Da li je neko radio file transfer ZMODEM-om izmedju UNIX i DOS/WIN sistema.
Imam rzsz9305.zip varijantu ZMODEM-a za UNIX koji sam instalirao na SCO
UNIX System V R.3.2.2 kao i na Olivetti UNIX SVR4.0.
rz program radi bez problema ali kod sz programa startovanog na UNIX strani
nisam u mogucnosti da na PPLUS for WIN R.1.0 ZMODEM-u primim ikakav fajl
cija je velicina veca od 512 bajta, pa cak i u tom slucaju mi fajl transfer
zavrsi sa porukom I"Timed out" (na PP for WIN strani). Kod prenosa vecih
fajlova prijemna strana samo utvrdi o kom se fajlu radi i kolika mu je
velicina ali ne prenese ni jedan bajt vec ode u "Timed out".
Probao sam sa raznoraznim switch-evima uz sz program ali ne pomaze. Da li
je moguce na prijemnoj strani nesto poboljsati ili je greska u samom
izvornom kodu. Ako neko ima iskustva sa ovim problemom, molim da mi javi.
Unapred zahvalan,
Markovic Milan, tel:081/22128
unix.42ppekovic,
[CONF REPLY PC.OS.4/4.1144]
>> > Pogledaj malo man za maildelivery, nije mnogo dugacak.
>>
>> Kako ?
Pošto imaš račun na osmeh.fon računaru, zaboravi na maildelivery
nego pogledaj sve što se pričalo o .forward datoteci u ovoj temi o
poslednjih mesec dana. Kratko, napravi .forward u svom osnovnom
direktorijumu i upiši u njega adresu na koju želiš da forward-uješ
mail.
>> 1. Kad saljem postu da lepo kod kuce napisem pismo, pa na
>> UNIX-u otkucam "mail -s pismo luser" i onda da uradim ASCII
>> zmodem upload, pa ctrl-d. Kako? Sta tacno tu treba da
>> napisem?
Treba da otkucaš mail -s "Pismo" adresa_na_koju_šalješ
onda na lokalnom računaru pokreneš ascii upload (ne ascii zmodem)
i na kraju završiš sa ctrl-d. Možeš i drugu varijantu. Otkucaš rz,
pa staruješ ascii zmodem upload. Pretpostavimo da si upload-ovao
datoteku pismo.txt. Kucaj: mail -s "Pismo" adresa < pismo.txt
>> 2. Kad primim postu da nekako uradim zmodem download. Kako ?
Možeš tako što snimiš sve poruke u fajl pa onda preneseš taj fajl.
Dakle, otkucaš mail i dobiješ listu novih poruka. Ako ih ima šest,
otkucaš save 1-6 nova.txt. Onda kažeš sz nova.txt i to je to.
Paya
unix.43ppekovic,
[CONF REPLY PC.OS.4/4.1151]
>> +> Da li ovoga ima (ili će biti) negde na yuinternetu?
>>
>> ...ili bar na Hobbitonu? :)
FFS:/unix/linux
Paya
unix.44ppekovic,
[CONF REPLY PC.OS.4/4.1147]
>> Pocetnice muke :), ...na osmehu (kako nisam znao cemu koja
>> komanda sluzi) usao sam u BASH, sada mi u prompt-u stoji:
>>
>> bash$
Kucajući bash, startovao si komandni interpreter bash (kao što su
na DOS-u command.com ili 4dos). bash$ je default prompt. Prompt se
menja preko env. promenljive PS1. Dakle, kažeš PS1=novak (igraj se
slobodno) a zatim export PS1. Pazi na mala i velika slova.
>> 1. Kako da se oslobodim ove napasti?! :), hteo sam da "ubijem"
>> proces sa: STOP /ID=pid, ali mi prijavljuje da ne poznaje
>> komandu STOP. Mucio sam se nesto i sa KILL, al' ne ide...
Iz shell-a se izlazi sa exit. Proces se ubija komandom kill. Pre
toga moraš da vidiš broj (ID) procesa komandom ps. Više o ovome kao i
o promeni prompta u bash-u imaš u tekstovima iz "Moje škole Unix-a" u
Računarima.
>> 2. Kako da formiram datoteku .forward ;) (o kojoj se tako pu-
>> no prica).
U osnovnom direktorijumu u bilo kom editoru (vi, emacs, joe,...)
napraviš datoteku .forward u koju upišeš adresu na koju prosleđuješ
mail.
>> stavljam u .forward datoteku (ili to ima veze za onim:
>> maildelivery, za koga ne postoji uputstvo na osmehu, ili
Na osmeh-u zaboravi na .maildelivery jer se ova datoteka koristi
samo na SCO Unix-u.
Paya
unix.45ppekovic,
>> Postoji li driver za non-SCSI CDROMzSCO UNIX
Ne.
Paya
unix.46ppekovic,
Pre nekoliko dana su me po ko zna koji put pitali kako da reše
sledeći problem na SCO Unix-u: kada se diže mašina, na promptu za
ulazak u single user mode ili uz ctrl-d u multiuser ctrl-d kombinacija
ne funkcioniše. Takođe, često ne funkcioniše ni enter, već je
neophodan ctrl-j umesto enter-a. Rešenje je da obrišete datoteku
/etc/ioctl.syscon. Pri sledećem butovanju, Unix će javiti da nema te
datoteke i da je kreirao novu. Sada bi trebalo sve da bude ok.
Paya
unix.47novim,
E, ovo nije zdravo! Onaj Mini Linux (na 4 diskete!) šljaka k'o
nenormalan! Noćas sam ga pokupio s mreže, ove zore instalirao, i još
ne mogu da se načudim šta je sve Portugalac uspeo da strpa! Ako smem
da se pozovem na svoje iskustvo s Linuxom (pre godinu dana je, takođe
jedne noći, banuo na moju mašinu), ova "mini" verzija je više nego
dovoljna za mnoge potrebe (ima X windows - da čovek ne veruje! -
čak i Mosaic za njega, etc. etc.).
Instalira se na običnu Dos particiju (dakle, uz Dos, samo mu se
napravi njegov direktorijum). Instalacija se skoro svodi na obično
unzipovanje. Zauzme oko 15 MB. - Prelazi se iz Dosa u Linux preko
jednog bat fajla, kernel kreće bez problema,. prepoznaje hardver
odmah, sistem je za par sekundi spreman za rad! U Dos (ili OS/2, ko
voli) potom se vraćamo običnim Ctrl-Alt-Del za reset mašine. -
Napisaću nešto više o svemu večeras, ali - mislim da ovo treba
probati! (Zipovano je to oko 5,6 MB - moglo bi da se baci na Sezam,
pa da ljudi lagano skidaju... Za one nestrpljivije, stvar je na Fonu:
/unix/linux/minilinu.zip).
Ps: Payo, očekuj zagušenje veze! :)
unix.49ilotina,
Apropo Mini Linux-a, kako da za X Windows naštelujem grafičku
karticu? Kada ga startujem sa xstart, on me baci u neku bezveze
rezoluciju (tj. moja kartica ga ne prepoznaje).
Ivan
unix.50postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 18:13:47 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Helem, proganjanje samo otezava rad ljudima, a sistemu tesko da nesto
: posebno pomaze.
Pogledaj jednu zalosnu stvarnost:
---
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 6932 6836 96 1696 792
Swap: 32780 17600 15180
Pa dodaj kako bi bilo jos malo swap-a dodati..
--
Dragan D. Vecerina, Obrovac - Beograd :))))))))))))))))))))))))
unix.51postmast,
From: markom@setnet.co.yu (Marko Milivojevic)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 17:34:03
-=> Reply to: Dragisa N. Duric <=-
DND> make config linkuje sta treba. A ti asm dirovi su toliko razliciti
DND> da nema sanse da uopste prodje compile ako pointujes na pogresan.
Vidis, ne znam, kako, ali meni je uspelo. Uz nekoliko
desetina upozorenja, ali je ipak proslo.
make config mi nije odradio posao kako treba, ne znam zasto.
-=> MM <=-
... Don`t DRINK and DRIVE ------ TAKE LSD and FLY !
* Origin: SETNet - Exodus, Beograd #137-477# from 22:00 to 09:00 (38:103/130)
unix.52postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Re: PPP i ime hosta
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:59:23 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic wrote:
: Hi!
Takodje!
: je veza losa. Znaci jedino (koliko ja znam) resenje je uucp. Dakle, kako
: onda da nateram uucico da ne zove telefonom nego da se telnetuje ...?
Pazi, generalno (znaci prema dokumentaciji), bi to trebalo da se
izvodi stavljanjem opcije dialers na vrednost TCP i postavljanjem protokola
za prenos podataka UUCP-em na protokol (cini mi se) "f" (ako nemas
dokumentaciju javi da pogledam, pa da ti javim) u odgovarajucim konfig.
fajlovima. Medjutim, ja licno to jos uvek nisam probao, tako da nisam
siguran da li je to jedino sto treba uraditi.
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.53postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:03:26 GMT
>> Za ostalo nisam siguran, pa da ne bih lupao, evo neka kazu
>> Malisha ili Dragisha. (jos se i rimuje.. :))
Evo kada sam prozvan, da napisem sta mislim o svemu tome:
1. Obrises ~/.dosrc. Ovo je otkrio i Aca (ili Marija? ;-) ),
2. Ne moras da brises ~/.dosrc ali onda explicitno & sigurno
moras da navedes gde se nalazi dosemu.conf -- dakle:
dos -tandaramandara -F /etc/dosemu.conf,
3. Dobro si sve iskompajlirao, a kako to? -- pa bio si
dovoljno uporan, :-)
'Ajde, voljno, :-)
P.S. Da li neko zna gde da podesim format From_ "envelope"
liniju u headerima mailova. Smail je u pitanju...
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.54postmast,
From: todorp@hobbiton.CO.YU (Predrag Todorovic)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:08:44 GMT
> -> i treba da ti mauntuje novi disk pod direktorijumom /mnt.
> -> Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve
> u -> / i pod njim na mnt.
>
> Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje. Kopira se
> sa
E pa bwana ovde nisi upravu. "cp -a" kopira i symbolic linkove i hard linkove.
Uzmi pa probaj :) Inode-ovi su isti.Btw. u man-u pise da ce cp pokusati da
sacuva sto je vise od originalne strukture.
Ovo je posledica:
$ cp -a w1/ w2/
$ ls -ilR w1 ; ls -ilR w2
total 15
18219 drwxr-xr-x 2 pedja pedja 1024 Apr 4 12:43 2/
18217 -rw-rw-r-- 3 pedja pedja 6600 Apr 2 23:38 hard_link
18218 lrwxrwxrwx 1 pedja pedja 7 Apr 4 12:45 ll -> net_dir
18217 -rw-rw-r-- 3 pedja pedja 6600 Apr 2 23:38 net_dir
w1/2:
total 7
18217 -rw-rw-r-- 3 pedja pedja 6600 Apr 2 23:38 hard_dir
18220 lrwxrwxrwx 1 pedja pedja 10 Apr 4 12:45 u_diru ->
../net_dir
total 1
12237 drwxr-xr-x 3 pedja pedja 1024 Apr 4 12:46 w1/
w2/w1:
total 15
12241 drwxr-xr-x 2 pedja pedja 1024 Apr 4 12:43 2/
12239 -rw-rw-r-- 3 pedja pedja 6600 Apr 2 23:38 hard_link
12240 lrwxrwxrwx 1 pedja pedja 7 Apr 4 12:49 ll -> net_dir
12239 -rw-rw-r-- 3 pedja pedja 6600 Apr 2 23:38 net_dir
w2/w1/2:
total 7
12239 -rw-rw-r-- 3 pedja pedja 6600 Apr 2 23:38 hard_dir
12242 lrwxrwxrwx 1 pedja pedja 10 Apr 4 12:49 u_diru ->
../net_dir
Pozdrav od Pedje!
unix.55postmast,
From: todorp@hobbiton.CO.YU (Predrag Todorovic)
Subject: Re: BASH,.forward, itd...
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:08:51 GMT
> 1. Kako da se oslobodim ove napasti?! :), hteo sam da "ubijem"
> proces sa: STOP /ID=pid, ali mi prijavljuje da ne poznaje
> komandu STOP. Mucio sam se nesto i sa KILL, al' ne ide...
Pa za izlazak iz shella otkucaj exit, a proces se ubija sa kill -9 pid
pid dobijas kad otkucas ps i pronadjes liniju sa programom koji ti treba.
Otkucaj "man kill" i "man ps" za dalje.
> 2. Kako da formiram datoteku .forward ;) (o kojoj se tako pu-
> no prica).
U bilo kom editoru otkucas adresu na koju hoces da se forward-uje mail.
npr. vi ~/.forward
todorp@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
( i snimis to sa <ESC> :wq)
Pozdrav od Pedje!
unix.56postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:04:29 GMT
Milan Markovic (marcony@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Molim za pomoc.
-> Da li je neko radio file transfer ZMODEM-om izmedju UNIX i DOS/WIN sistema.
-> Imam rzsz9305.zip varijantu ZMODEM-a za UNIX koji sam instalirao na SCO
-> UNIX System V R.3.2.2 kao i na Olivetti UNIX SVR4.0.
-> rz program radi bez problema ali kod sz programa startovanog na UNIX strani
-> nisam u mogucnosti da na PPLUS for WIN R.1.0 ZMODEM-u primim ikakav fajl
-> cija je velicina veca od 512 bajta, pa cak i u tom slucaju mi fajl transfer
alias sz='sz -r -l 1024'
Ko ovo objasni, ima kafu sa slagom u mojoj omiljenoj kafani prvom prilikom
:).
unix.57postmast,
From: bole@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: PPP i ime hosta
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:16:25 GMT
Hi!
Samo da pitam, posto se ppp-ujem, ponekad ime hosta sam stavio (u
/etc/hosts)
ovako:
127.0.0.1 localhost bolex
193.203.5.62 bolex.MR-Net.co.yu
Jer kada bi bolex, stavio u donji red, i kada ppp nije "pusten", nista
takoreci ne radi :) (Talk i jos stosta..) Da li tako moze?
Onda, sto se tice razmene konferencija. Ne mogu da koristim nntp, posto mi
je veza losa. Znaci jedino (koliko ja znam) resenje je uucp. Dakle, kako
onda da nateram uucico da ne zove telefonom nego da se telnetuje ...?
Ako ima jos neki naci da se ostvari razmena konferencija, bio bih zahvalan
da neko pomene....
Pozdrav!
unix.58postmast,
From: markom@setnet.co.yu (Marko Milivojevic)
Subject: Re: color_xterm
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 11:40:16
-=> Reply to: bb_link <=-
bb> I jos mi treba neki dobar editor za XWindows-e. Gde ima ?
bb> (moze Internet adresa ako nema u Jugi)
Pa imas emacs i to onaj koji dobijes u Linux distrib.
-=> MM <=-
... i *DId* rEaD tHE DoCS; ThaT'S WHy I'm conFuSeD!
* Origin: SETNet - Exodus, Beograd #137-477# from 22:00 to 09:00 (38:103/130)
unix.59postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: FoxPro for UNIX !
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 19:30:58 GMT
BBLink (bblink@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: ORIGIN. From: DUSAN HADNADJEV
: ORIGIN. To: ALL
: Imali li ga neko ljudi ^ ? :(((
Moze onaj kao za DOS v1.0? S tim sto je za SCO (X/U) te bi trebalo
malko rebildovati kernel. Priznajem da ga nisam probao, al cu uskoro.
: P.S. Znam, moze se kupiti ! ;>
Sevedam kad kazes.
Pozdrav. Srdjan.
unix.60postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 04:45:14 GMT
Vojislav Ljubojevic (jpptticb@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> nam smeta? Proba sa PING <remote_host> daje minimalno 200-300 ms odziv
-> sa Motorolom, a 300-400 ms sa ACTIVE modemima. Medutim ovaj odziv zna
Ovde je najvjerovatnije u pitanju velicina paketa izmedju modema. Moze da
se smanji i time ce se povecati brzina odziva. Ovo vrijeme je donekle
znacajno za interaktivni rad, ne i za vecinu TCP/IP servisa.
unix.61postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: color_xterm
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 04:50:28 GMT
Marko Milivojevic (markom@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> -=> Reply to: bb_link <=-
-> bb> I jos mi treba neki dobar editor za XWindows-e. Gde ima ?
-> bb> (moze Internet adresa ako nema u Jugi)
-> Pa imas emacs i to onaj koji dobijes u Linux distrib.
Editora za X ima na tone, a emacs je vjerovatno najlosiji izbor.
U toku je projekat WYSIWYG word procesora za X i pre-pre-ALPHA je vec out.
pre-pre-ALPHA je na hobb, u /pub/X/Editors, a tu su i ostali koje imam (aXe,
auis, nedit, xwpe).
lemacs je varijanta emacs-a za X, sa fazonima tipa bojenja identifikatora,
promjena fonta istih i slicno.
unix.62postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: PPP i ime hosta
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 04:53:21 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> 127.0.0.1 localhost bolex
-> 193.203.5.62 bolex.MR-Net.co.yu
-> Jer kada bi bolex, stavio u donji red, i kada ppp nije "pusten", nista
-> takoreci ne radi :) (Talk i jos stosta..) Da li tako moze?
Moze, ali rjesenje je intervencija na rc.inet1 ili 2, ne sjecam se tacno,
i ubacivanje rute za bolex na lo interface, tamo gdje stoji i localhost.
-> Onda, sto se tice razmene konferencija. Ne mogu da koristim nntp, posto mi
-> je veza losa. Znaci jedino (koliko ja znam) resenje je uucp. Dakle, kako
-> onda da nateram uucico da ne zove telefonom nego da se telnetuje ...?
Pitaj anubis-a, nek ti mailne svoj config kojim on radi UUCP.
unix.63postmast,
From: bole@bolex.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: PPPD i chat
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:01:42 GMT
Hi!
Kako da nateram chat (onaj programcic:) da zove kada je zauzeto? Onda kako
kada mi pukne veza, da ovaj automatski ponovo pozove?
--
Pozdrav ...
unix.64postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Dosemu ....
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 06:43:35 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric wrote:
: Jesi setovao serial linije u config?
U kom config-u (config.sys-u za dosemu ili dosemu.conf-u za
podizanje dosemu-a) ? Ako je ovo drugo onda sam uradio, a ako je prvo onda
nemam ideju ni kako se uradi :(. Ovaj dosemu 0.53pl39 koji sam ja kompajlirao
i instalirao dosao je sda vrlo slabom dokumentacijom, tako da mi mnoge
stvari nisu najcistije.
: Meni je telemate imao poneki delay, ali je radio.
Skoro da sam 100% siguran da nije do konfigurisanja serijske linije
vec da je caka u kofiguraciji video memorije i kartice. Telemate 4.12 koji
je problematican, koristi osnovnu "video memory page" za prikazivanje
terminalskog ekrana, a 2,3,4-tu video stranicu za prikazivanje dialer-a,
backscroll-a, internog dos-a itd. itd. E kada je dialer aktivan (znaci
recimo 2. video stranica), odgovor modema umesto da dodje na nju, ode na
terminalsku stranicu (kada skinem dialer ekran lepo se vidi BUSY). Posledica
toga je da Telemate ne prepoznaje BUSY i ceka da istekne dial-time pa tek
onda pocne ponovo da okrene.
Znam da ces reci da bi Telemate trebao da slusa odziv modema, sa
serijske linije i da to nema nikakve veze sa video memorijom - ali veruj mi
da mi je ovo jedino sto mi pada napmet, za ovakve simptome. BTW, kada se veza
dobije, ni taj response, ne bude prepoznat vec moram rucno da izadjem iz
dialer-a i da pocnem da radim sa uspostavljenom linijom.
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.65postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 05:47:16 GMT
Srdjan Janev (janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> : alias sz='sz -r -l 1024'
-> : Ko ovo objasni, ima kafu sa slagom u mojoj omiljenoj kafani prvom prilikom
-> : :).
-> A sta tu ima pa da se objasnjava? Nego se ti lepo spremi da vodis na
-> tu kavu, i molim te, potrudi se, da muzika bude tisa i probranija.
Bojim se da je jos nisi zaradio :) (nisam ja bas blesav da to tako olako
obecavam). Helem, zasto kad sa prompta hocu da saljem moram da ga usporim sa
tim -l 1024, a kad saljem iz minicom ladno pici bez ikakvih problema?
-> Vozdra.
Mojne shatre... :)
unix.66postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 05:48:56 GMT
Predrag Todorovic (todorp@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> > -> i treba da ti mauntuje novi disk pod direktorijumom /mnt.
-> > -> Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve
-> > u -> / i pod njim na mnt.
-> >
-> > Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje. Kopira se
-> > sa
-> E pa bwana ovde nisi upravu. "cp -a" kopira i symbolic linkove i hard linkove.
Ok, ok... Ljudski je ne citati dokumentaciju :)).
-> Uzmi pa probaj :) Inode-ovi su isti.Btw. u man-u pise da ce cp pokusati da
Ma u manovima pise svasta, zar ti uvijek vjerujes tome ?:))
unix.67postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: screen
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:00:20 GMT
Glede screen-a, i proganjanja istog... Svaki dodatni shell otvoren u
screen trosi koliko mu je potrebno za data i stack segmente, i najcesce je
kod dugozivecih taskova smjesten u swap. Ne vjerujem da se upotrebljava za
vise zahtjevnih poslova, takvih je jedan ili nijedan od njih koliko vec ima.
Vazna stvar koju omogucava je shell koji ne umire sa padom veze, cestim u
nasim uslovima, i nije fer uskracivati tu, cesto spasonosnu mogucnost,
korisnicima.
Onaj ko hoce da potjera vise zestokih poslova u trenutku (shell, i
generalno interaktivni poslovi, nije 'zestok') moze ladno da trzne to u
bekgraund, sa prostim ftp/telnet 'here-document' skriptovima.
Helem, proganjanje samo otezava rad ljudima, a sistemu tesko da nesto
posebno pomaze.
unix.68postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: newsgroups
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 03:52:16 GMT
ĐŠč On 04-01-95 20:53 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
-> Svaka cast za prenosenje comp.os.linux.* tema!
-> Da li ce se one redovno prenositi?
Dr> Hoce, AFAIK :). Bio sam u prekidu devet dana zbog ove frke na
Dr> Majevici, ali sada je sve kako je i bilo i nadam se da ce od sutra da
Dr> se nastavi prenos grupcadi.
Super, super, bas napredujemo. :)
Dr> .oooO _ _ Oooo.
Dr> ( ) / ) ( \ ( )
Dr> \ ( / ( ) \ ) /
Dr> ----\_)( ) ( )(_/---|)/\/`/(|-
Hehehehe, dooobar ti potpis... ;>>>
... Tagline fever is the primary symptom of the Blue Wave epidemic!!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.69postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:44:30 GMT
Marko Milivojevic (markom@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> -=> Reply to: Dragisa N. Duric <=-
-> DND> make config linkuje sta treba. A ti asm dirovi su toliko razliciti
-> DND> da nema sanse da uopste prodje compile ako pointujes na pogresan.
-> Vidis, ne znam, kako, ali meni je uspelo. Uz nekoliko
-> desetina upozorenja, ali je ipak proslo.
-> make config mi nije odradio posao kako treba, ne znam zasto.
Mistifikujes, pa to ti je :)
unix.70postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:46:02 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> : Helem, proganjanje samo otezava rad ljudima, a sistemu tesko da nesto
-> : posebno pomaze.
-> Pogledaj jednu zalosnu stvarnost:
-> ---
-> total used free shared buffers
-> Mem: 6932 6836 96 1696 792
-> Swap: 32780 17600 15180
Sta te briga za gomilu neaktivnih shellova koji su u swap (slucaj screen).
Ne vidim sta je tu zalosno.
Koliko netskejpova je on ?:) Nesto mi to ne pokaza :)).
unix.71spantic,
Xe,xe, od danas imam dva Linux-a na mašini :)) A i Vecxoda znaš da
zaista ide na 4 diskete :) Meni ostaje samo da se divim čoveku koji
je uspeo da zapakuje ovu distribuciju. Svaka mu čast :)
Da dodam i neku korisnu informaciju, Motif 2.0 za Linux je u
Beogradu :)
unix.72.marko.,
-->> pa da ljudi lagano skidaju... Za one nestrpljivije, stvar je na Fonu:
-->> /unix/linux/minilinu.zip).
-->>
-->> Ps: Payo, ocekuj zagusenje veze! :)
A moze li se doci na FON sa disketLama pa skinuti u lokalu?
unix.73novim,
Subject: MiniLinux ("mL"), šta, kako, uz najavu YUCCA distribucije
(Zonjazgonalavit). :-)
Dakle, MiniLinux je 5,6 MB, tj. 4 x 1,44 flopete. Instalira se na bilo
koju Dosovu (FAT) particiju, u direktorijum /linux. Instaliran zauzme
13,5 (realno 15,5) MB, u oko 1900 fajlova i 650 direktorijuma. Ne dira
ništa na toj particiji, nigde ništa ne upisuje osim u svoj dir, ne
dira bi boot sektore, dakle - sasvim bezbedno se instalira uz Dos.
Pokreće se jednim .bat fajlom, nakon čega se ulazi u Linux, Izlazi se
na shutdown -h now ili sa Ctrl-Alt-Del, posle čega se mašina resetuje
i podiže pod Dosom, OS/2-om ili šta je već default OS na kompi.
Deinstalira se jednostavnim deltree /y \linux\*.* (dakle, brisanjem iz
Dosa). Instalacija je jednostavna, svodi se praktično na raspakovanje
arhiviranih fajlova, a potrebno je "lufta" od nekih 5-6 MB (dakle, na
particiji treba da je prazno oko 22-23 MB).
Reč je o distribuciji zasnovanoj na tzv. UMSDOS fajlsistemu; o njoj
sam ovde pisao pre neki mesec (tzv. U serija), ali je on, za razliku
od prošlogodišnje verzije (koja mi je tada prilično poremetila Linux),
sada sazreo. To je, ukratko, fajlsistem koji omogućuje da se Linux
baci na FAT particiju; u svakom svom (ili onom koji mu se zada; NE
dira ništa drugo) diru on napravi jedan --linux-.--- fajl, u kojem se
zapravo drže (kao što OS/2 ima one svoje EA fajlove) podatke o
fajlovima. Time se Linux ponaša kao da je na nekoj svojoj particiji,
tj. ponaša se kao Linux. Iz Dosa su dirovi i fajlovi vidljivi, samo sa
"nakaradnim" imenima (kako već Dos protumači Unix imena).
Koliko sam mogao videti za ovih 50-ak sati, MiniLinux ("mL") je
stabilan, radi normalno, kao i "veliki" Linux. Na tih 15 MB staje sve
bitno za pokretanje i rad Linuxa, kernel, šel, networking, etc. pa čak
i X-windows (sa Mosaicom). Šta NEMA u tih 15 MB? Nema raznih stvari,
razume se, možda je najvažnije pomenuti da nema man pages. Nema ni
kompajere, što je druga važna stvar koju nema. Ali, to i ne može stati
na 4 diskete, a ono što je BITNO jeste: sve se može naknadno dodati,
doinstalirati, tako da se čitav "veliki" Linux može izgraditi na ovom
fajlsistemu, što će reći - uz Dos. Takođe je moguće imati više
instalacija, što je zgodno za testiranje i razne druge stvari.
Eto, to je ukratko mL. Valja svakako probati ga, šljaka sasvim ok, a
ono što nije u ovoj distribuciji može se dodati iz drugih. Koga tačno
zanima šta se instalira i šta tačno sadrži mL distribucija, ima u
fajlu uz ovu poruku. žini mi se da je vreme da se napravi jedna domaća
distribucija koja bi se oslanjala na ovu mL - recimo na najviše 10
disketa. Ako stignem, uradiću to (neka se zove YUCCA distribucija
Linuxa), pa ko bude hteo, može idućeg petka u klubu da prekopira i da
ima manje-više normalan Linux. Važi? Nestrpljivi mogu da dignu s Fona,
a strpljivi će biti nagrađeni time što će imati sve što je važno na
jednom mestu (uz man pages, kompajere, etc. imaće i neke dodatne
linuxarije, koje skraćuju razne muke; ne obećavam previše, ali kad već
za sebe sređujem gomilu raznih stvari za mL, neka bude i za druge.)
ml-files.zipunix.74eotek,
re: minilinux
> karticu? Kada ga startujem sa xstart, on me baci u neku bezveze
> rezoluciju (tj. moja kartica ga ne prepoznaje).
takodje, a i smrzne sve - pomaze samo hard reset ?
(trident 8900CL,1MB)
unix.75ppekovic,
>> 127.0.0.1 localhost bolex
>> 193.203.5.62 bolex.MR-Net.co.yu
127.0.0.1 localhost
193.203.5.62 bolex bolex.MR-Net.co.yu
>> Onda, sto se tice razmene konferencija. Ne mogu da koristim
>> nntp, posto mi je veza losa. Znaci jedino (koliko ja znam)
>> resenje je uucp. Dakle, kako onda da nateram uucico da ne zove
>> telefonom nego da se telnetuje ...?
Potrazi Taylor UUCP.
Paya
unix.76mkaralic,
> Dakle, MiniLinux je 5,6 MB, tj. 4 x 1,44 flopete. Instalira se
> na bilo koju Dosovu (FAT) particiju, u direktorijum /linux.
Da li je moguće da se instalira na Stackerisanu particiju?
Pozdrav // Mik !!!
unix.77spantic,
> takodje, a i smrzne sve - pomaze samo hard reset ?
> (trident 8900CL,1MB)
Kako ti je konfigurisan miš? Naime, ja sam imao
problema sa rekonfiguracijom, odnosno morao sam to
da radim ručno.
unix.78novim,
"> karticu? Kada ga startujem sa xstart, on me baci u neku bezveze
"> rezoluciju (tj. moja kartica ga ne prepoznaje).
" takodje, a i smrzne sve - pomaze samo hard reset ?
" (trident 8900CL,1MB)
Pregledaj fajl /usr/X11/lib/X11/Xconfig (tu bi trebalo da je Xconfig;
ako nije, uradi jedno "find / -name Xconfig -print" pa ga nađi.) Tu se
definišu parametri za miša, kao i za karticu. Pre godinu dana, sa
Slackware 1 Linuxom sam čačkao to prilično dugo dok nije proradilo; sa
ovim mL je sve proradilo odmah. Kako kad, kako gde. ;) - Ima i jedan
paketić koji ispituje sve podatke potrebne za konfigurisanje tog
XConfig fajla, pa ko ga od linuxovaca ima neka ga okači (mada mi se
sve čini da je već davno taj program bio obešen ovde, u ovoj temi;
negde još pred početak prošlog leta; prošetaj ranijim temama
PC.OS:unix, gledaj samo poruke uz koje ima fajlove, počni od aprila
prošle godine... Mislim da ćeš tako pronaći taj program - ime mu
asocira na Xconfig... I ipak neophodno upozorenje: TREBA BITI PAčLJIV
KAD SE žAžKAJU FREKVENCIJE u Xconfig fajlu...)
unix.79novim,
" Da li je moguće da se instalira na Stackerisanu particiju?
MiniLinux - bez obzira što se instalira na FAT - nije Dosova
aplikacija. Kad se pozove, on počisti sve iz radne memorije, i preuzme
punu kontrolu nad hardverom. Otuda se može zaključiti da ono gore ne
može. Prošle godine sam nailazio na poruke o razvoju nekog posebnog
stakera za Linux, ali ne znam šta je bilo s time.
unix.80vlad,
> E, ovo nije zdravo! Onaj Mini Linux (na 4 diskete!) šljaka k'o
> nenormalan! Noćas sam ga pokupio s mreže, ove zore instalirao, i još
Zarazio si me pa sam ga skinuo cim sam procitao poruku B). Sad mi
treba neka knjizica o Linux-u (ili Unix-u uopste) za apsolutne
pocetnike (jeste, taj sam B) ). Ima li preporuke?
Ubedljivo najveci kvalitet Mini Linux-a je lakoca instalacije i
odsustvo potrebe za particioniranjem diska. Eto divote za
pocetnike kao sto sam ja.
unix.81aleck,
>> XConfig fajla, pa ko ga od linuxovaca ima neka ga okači (mada mi se
>> sve čini da je već davno taj program bio obešen ovde, u ovoj temi;
>> negde još pred početak prošlog leta; prošetaj ranijim temama
>> PC.OS:unix, gledaj samo poruke uz koje ima fajlove, počni od aprila
PC.OS.4 4.253.Jedino ima jedan problem:Zip arhiva sadrži fajl sa imenom
tipa 4342-khl.jigdhgoe!!
Kako ovo raspakovati kad DOS to neće da primi(pkunzip javi "can't create
file...")?Kako je ovo uopšte zipovano?
unix.82novim,
" treba neka knjizica o Linux-u (ili Unix-u uopste) za apsolutne
Dokumentacije (Linuxove o Linuxu) ima na tone (tj. megabajte). Uzmi za
početak ove fajlove sa Sezama, iz U:\UNIX dira:
guide_li zip 34214 Vodič za početnike za Linux v0.95a
unix-faq zip 57943 Unix - Frequently Asked Questions
unixbook zip 17932 Kratki vodič kroz knjige vezane za UNIX
unixprog zip 23405 Programiranje na UNIX sistemima
unix.83novim,
" Kako ovo raspakovati kad DOS to neće da primi(pkunzip javi "can't
" create file...")?Kako je ovo uopšte zipovano?
Pa rasprakovati pod Linuxom, ne pod Dosom. Ako je .zip onda probaj ili
unzipom, ili pak gzip-om, već šta je. (Program i nije za Dos i ne
treba ti u Dosu.)
unix.84novim,
Subject: mLinux na ne-C: particijama
Ljude zbunjuje što u onom readme fajlu u MiniLinuxu piše da se
instalira ca C: particiju. To nije tako. Može se instalirati na ma
koju Dosovu particiju (D, E, F, etc; može i na više od jedne, a može i
više puta na istu). Sve što treba uraditi ako nije instalirano na C:
jeste promeniti u onom linux.bat fajlu slovo za drajv. Recimo, ako je
na E: particiji, staviti ovako:
LINUX.BAT
---------
@echo off
rem First, ensure any unwritten disk buffers are flushed:
smartdrv /C
E:
cd E:\linux
rem Start the LOADLIN process:
E:\linux\loadlinx E:\linux\vmlinuz root=E: rw
Ili, pak, staviti umesto E: jedno %1 pa onda pokretati odakle se hoće
(ako ima više instalacija).
unix.85violator,
Jedno pitanjce.... Skinuo sam mL sa fon-a (na 2400 :))) ), i ako nađem
način da dođem do 15-ak nekomprimovanih Megabajta diska opet mi ostaje jedan
problem... Naime stacker je prilikom instalacije premeštao imena diskova, tako
da je nekomprimovani deo ustvari g disk kada je učitan stacker driver, a C kada
recimo butujem sa sistemske diskete bez strackera, tako da bi bilo dobro da mi
neko kaže kako da namestim mL da radi u ovoj kombinaciji.
unix.86ilotina,
> takodje, a i smrzne sve - pomaze samo hard reset ?
> (trident 8900CL,1MB)
Kod mene ne zamrzne računar, već ma baci u neki
blesavi grafički mod i odmah me izbaci na prompt
u tom gref. modu.
unix.87eotek,
re: minilinux - podesavanje video sistema za XWin
> paketic koji ispituje sve podatke potrebne za konfigurisanje
> tog XConfig fajla, pa ko ga od linuxovaca ima neka ga okaci
dobra memorija :)
PC.OS.4 - 4.253 confx.zip, oko 160kb
mozda bi i to moglo da se spakuje u buduci mL-10dsk ?
unix.88violator,
Konačno sam sam instalirao mL... (uf... Ostao sam bez svih igara,
četżrtinu diska sam odstakerisao, a prethodno se par sati mučio da to
izvedem... Nadam se da više niko neće da lupa gluposti o lakoj instalaciji :)),
nego ne znam ništa da uradim sa tim mL, jer kada pokrenem onaj linux.bat i
sačekam malo sačeka me login prompt :((((. Ja nemam ideje šta tada da radim.
Takođe bi mi dobro došao još neki hint za početak.
unix.89vitez.koja,
#=> Kako ovo raspakovati kad DOS to neće da primi(pkunzip
#=> javi "can't create file...")?
Ako moraš da ga raspakuješ pod DOSom, koristi redirekciju:
pkunzip -c zipfile > outfile
#=> Kako je ovo uopšte zipovano?
Verovatno pod unixom :)
unix.90zeljkoj,
> Jedno pitanjce.... Skinuo sam mL sa fon-a (na 2400 :))) ), i
I ja isto. :)) Trajalo je celu noć. :))
Sve radi Ok, osim X-Windowsa. Jednostavno, neće da reaguje na pokretanje
miša, a kursor se nalazi u donjem levom uglu.
unix.91zeljkoj,
> sačekam malo sačeka me login prompt :((((. Ja nemam ideje šta
> tada da radim.
Pa uloguj se kao root. :))
unix.92kuki,
> Instalira se na običnu Dos particiju (dakle, uz Dos, samo mu se
> napravi njegov direktorijum). Instalacija se skoro svodi na obično
> unzipovanje. Zauzme oko 15 MB. - Prelazi se iz Dosa u Linux preko
> jednog bat fajla, kernel kreće bez problema,. prepoznaje hardver
> odmah, sistem je za par sekundi spreman za rad! U Dos (ili OS/2, ko
> voli) potom se vraćamo običnim Ctrl-Alt-Del za reset mašine. -
kad sam pročito ovu poruku, krenuh u dl minilinux-a :) (nestrpljiv) :)
i meni se svideo mL :) btw, iz nekog nepoznatog razloga mi ne prepoznaje
miša (com1), a bogumi ni cdrom (panasonic) ni u xnjinonjsima, a ni ovako
(selection)... (sa big linux-om to radi bez problema) :) Ah, i čini mi se
da je ovaj minilinux malko sporiji u xwindowsima od one veće verzije
(malko=vidno sporiji) Nisam još ništa bitno probao (sem xnjindonjsa) al
primetio sam da fali sendmail, elm... :( mada, pošto je ovo mini verzija,
za po kući, radi više nego zadovoljavajuće :)) (još da izmisle i quick boot
za linux)
unix.93novim,
" i meni se svideo mL :) btw, iz nekog nepoznatog razloga mi ne
" prepoznaje miša (com1), a bogumi ni cdrom (panasonic) ni u
" xnjinonjsima, a ni ovako (selection)... (sa big linux-om to radi bez
" problema) :) Ah, i čini mi se
Kernel je verzija 1.0.9, tj. mator. Možeš uzeti neki noviji u kojem
ima tih stvari (ili patch-eva za njih); uz to dodaš i GNU C i
kompajliraš ga, i eto podrške. (Jedino je važno da se proveri da li u
kodu ima i umdos fajlsistem). Isprobano sdam danas to, i sve radi.
Bitno je da se sve ostalo može dodati iz velikog Linuxa, kroz pgktool,
na primer.
Moja ideja sa Jukinim mL-om je da se doda novi kernel i source,
kompajler, DosEmu, elm, i još ponešto, a izbaci sasvim X windows (on
se može dodari naknadno, a osim da zadovolji znatiželju malo čemu
ovakav Xwin služi). Treba napraviti malu, ali funkcionalnu
distribuciju.
unix.94novim,
" izvedem... Nadam se da više niko neće da lupa gluposti o lakoj
" instalaciji :)),
Instalacija je LAKA, a tvoji problemi su druge vrste. Evo kompletne
procedure za instalaciju mL-a (uslov je da je skinut fajl
minilinu.zip, da je prekopiran u neki dir, i da se ovaj fajl baci u
taj isti dir):
instal-ml.bat
-------------
pkunzip minilinu.zip
minilinx
pkunzip -d *
del *.zip
fcut -j linux
del *.00*
del *.cut
pkunzip -d linux.zip
del linux.zip
REM Šta je sad tu teško, da mi je znati... :)
unix.95aleck,
>> Verovatno pod unixom :)
Yap.Rešio malo kasnije,negde ujutro.E sad jedino da vidim zašto mi tar
prijavljuje can't open /dev/rtm0...(šta li je to?)...Uf,ima ovde da se
čita...
unix.96aleck,
>> sačekam malo sačeka me login prompt :((((. Ja nemam ideje šta tada da
Mođeš da radiš svašta...Prvo se loguj kao root i onda si u promptu u
svom diru.Imaš naredbe dir,cp=copy,rm=del,mv=move(valjda).Možeš da se
zezaš pa da sa adduser dodaješ korisnike.Ako otkucaš setup možeš čak i
da daš ime svom računaru tipa groblje.co.yu ili tako već nešto.
Ma ludilo...
unix.97postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:26:37 GMT
ĐŠč On 04-04-95 11:08 Todorp@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
> -> Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve
> u -> / i pod njim na mnt.
> Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje. Kopira se
To> E pa bwana ovde nisi upravu. "cp -a" kopira i symbolic linkove i hard
To> linkove. Uzmi pa probaj :) Inode-ovi su isti.Btw. u man-u pise da ce cp
To> pokusati da sacuva sto je vise od originalne strukture.
E pa hvala sto si potvrdio moju polaznu konstrukciju. :)
Ne znam kako je Dragisha dobio nesto drugo, ali i meni je sa cp -a sve lepo
radilo.
U svakom slucaju, korisne su obe informacije, pa zato - kome treba nek'
proba ovako ili onako, i vidi sta je i kako je.
... This is a computer eating tagline. Don't...CRUNCH CRUNCH....BURP!!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.98postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:26:40 GMT
ĐŠč On 04-05-95 11:00 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Glede screen-a, i proganjanja istog... Svaki dodatni shell otvoren u
Eh, ljudi & prijatelji po modemu :) jel' bi mogao da mi neko kaze sta je
to u stvari screen i cemu sluzi a uz to i sta radi (ili ne radi)?
Osecam se pomalo zabunjeno glede cele ove price.
... This is a computer eating tagline. Don't...CRUNCH CRUNCH....BURP!!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.99postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: PPP i ime hosta
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:25:38 GMT
Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Bosko Radivojevic wrote:
: : Hi!
: Takodje!
: : je veza losa. Znaci jedino (koliko ja znam) resenje je uucp. Dakle, kako
: : onda da nateram uucico da ne zove telefonom nego da se telnetuje ...?
: Pazi, generalno (znaci prema dokumentaciji), bi to trebalo da se
: izvodi stavljanjem opcije dialers na vrednost TCP i postavljanjem protokola
: za prenos podataka UUCP-em na protokol (cini mi se) "f" (ako nemas
: dokumentaciju javi da pogledam, pa da ti javim) u odgovarajucim konfig.
: fajlovima. Medjutim, ja licno to jos uvek nisam probao, tako da nisam
: siguran da li je to jedino sto treba uraditi.
Ja sam ovo izveo tako sto sam u $UUCPCONFDIR/port uneo sledece:
type pipe
port port1
command /usr/bin/rlogin -E -8 -l uuzed fon
Naravno, uuzed treba promeniti u svoje ime, a fon u ime uucp-feed-a. port
moze samo od ovoga da se sastoji. U datoteci $UUCPCONFDIR/sys treba, shodno
novom nacinu dolaska do feed-a promeniti chat script. Moj izgleda ovako:
chat word:--word: <lozinka>
i to je sve.
Rade
unix.100postmast,
From: alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Jakovljevic Dejan)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:53:02 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
...
-> Eh, ljudi & prijatelji po modemu :) jel' bi mogao da mi neko kaze sta je
-> to u stvari screen i cemu sluzi a uz to i sta radi (ili ne radi)?
-> Osecam se pomalo zabunjeno glede cele ove price.
:)
Imas Windwose instalirane negde? OK, i ako nemas znas kako izgleda.
Zamisli da su ti SVI taskovi u windowsu telnet/ftp/talk i slicne
sesije na jednoj unix masini (irc/gopher/lynx...).
E, jos zamisli da nemas grafiku (nema je) i da su 'prozori' je-
dan iza drugoga (svi maximizovani :") i da iz jednog u drugi mozes
da prelazis po volji...a sve radi 'multitasking' :)) tj, svi pro-
cesi RADE...ostavis u jednom ftp i on lepo skida fajlovem, u drugom
citas news (ja sad, recimo), u trecem si u talku.....
dalje...postoji i gomila stavri koja se moze uraditi u screenu.
recimo cut & paste, backscroll (da li se tako zove? ono, kad odes
na gore iz ekrana....i tako koliko si mu definisao....)
uhh.....a da procitas man za screen :)
pozdrav,
* Jakovljevic Dejan * ETF * Beograd * Srbija * alf@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
____________________________________________________________________
... Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again!
unix.101postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:34:34 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
-> ĐŠč On 04-04-95 11:08 Todorp@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
-> > -> Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve
-> > u -> / i pod njim na mnt.
-> > Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje. Kopira se
-> To> E pa bwana ovde nisi upravu. "cp -a" kopira i symbolic linkove i hard
-> To> linkove. Uzmi pa probaj :) Inode-ovi su isti.Btw. u man-u pise da ce cp
-> To> pokusati da sacuva sto je vise od originalne strukture.
-> E pa hvala sto si potvrdio moju polaznu konstrukciju. :)
-> Ne znam kako je Dragisha dobio nesto drugo, ali i meni je sa cp -a sve lepo
-> radilo.
-> U svakom slucaju, korisne su obe informacije, pa zato - kome treba nek'
-> proba ovako ili onako, i vidi sta je i kako je.
E sad malo ja... :)))
cp -a nece uraditi kompletan posao, za razliku od tar - | tar - varijante.
Problemi se javljaju u /dev dir-u. Ispravljivo sa MAKEDEV, ali opet... :)
unix.102postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:23:51 GMT
Srdan Pantic (spantic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Xe,xe, od danas imam dva Linux-a na masini :)) A i Vecxoda znas da
: zaista ide na 4 diskete :) Meni ostaje samo da se divim coveku koji
: je uspeo da zapakuje ovu distribuciju. Svaka mu cast :)
Pogledah i sam....prosto da ne verujes....no comment..
Eh sad mi ostaje da vidim da li ce da radi ispod Win '95 :))
Cisto sumnjam..:))
--
Dragan D. Vecerina, Obrovac - Beograd :))))))))))))))))))))))))
unix.103postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 17:04:10 GMT
Jakovljevic Dejan (alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: E, jos zamisli da nemas grafiku (nema je) i da su 'prozori' je-
: dan iza drugoga (svi maximizovani :") i da iz jednog u drugi mozes
: da prelazis po volji...a sve radi 'multitasking' :)) tj, svi pro-
: cesi RADE...ostavis u jednom ftp i on lepo skida fajlovem, u drugom
: citas news (ja sad, recimo), u trecem si u talku.....
Ili, mnogo jednostavnije objasnjenje: screen omogucava sa bilo kog
terminala ono sto na SCO-u ili Linux-u dobijas na konzoli sa Alt-Fn...
--
Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
#! rnews 398
unix.104postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:52:50 GMT
-=> andrea@fon napisa:
> Dr> (cd /; tar cf - bin boot .... var) | (cd mnt; tar xvf -)
> Moracu da probam. Fala na tip-u. :)
Pazi, otpakuje se sa tar xvpf !! Ako je bez p ... trebace ti 2 zivota da
sredis permissionse:)) Ja sam kopirao sa cp -a, ali tako oni pipeovi nece da
se kopiraju... :)
unix.105postmast,
From: bole@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Mini Linux
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:17:18 GMT
Hi!
Moze li neko o hardwerskim zahtevima za Mini Linux ?
OndaK, jel ti XWINDOWSI mogu da radi (xw za taj Mini Linux) na 386, 4mb
ram?
Pozdrav!
unix.106postmast,
From: djdule@durlan.co.yu (Djdule)
Subject: Dosemu ....
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 23:29:29 CET
ORIGIN. From: DJDULE
ORIGIN. To: DRAGISA N. DURIC
Dragisa, kako je Hobbiton vezan za YUInt ? Samo UUCP ili nesto drugo ?
---
* SPEED 1.30 #514 * Nasilje je poslednji zaklon nesposobnih.
unix.107postmast,
From: djdule@durlan.co.yu (Djdule)
Subject: unix
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 23:29:31 CET
ORIGIN. From: DJDULE
ORIGIN. To: "IVAN LOTINA" <ILOTINA@S
"L< > Apropo Mini Linux-a, kako da za X Windows nastelujem graficku
"L< >karticu? Kada ga startujem sa xstart, on me baci u neku bezveze
"L< >rezoluciju (tj. moja kartica ga ne prepoznaje).
Ne znam dal je tako na mini Linux-u al na pravom se to sredjuje u fajlu
Xconfig. Ne znam tacno koji bese direktorijum (mislim da je
/var/lib/X11/lib/) al to nije ni bitno posto je to jedini takav fajl. Znaci
kazes mu "find / -name 'Xconfig' -print" i on ga nadje. E u njemu editujes
sve video modove i te stvari. Malko je nezgodan za podesavanje posto unosis
neke kobasicarske parametre. Ja sam to resio programom vgaset koji je za to
namenjen. Ako imas taj vgaset probaj sa njim. Ako nemas u diru gde ti se
nalazi taj Xconfig imas fajlove config??, jedno 20 njih u kojima su primeri
konfiguracija za raznorazne video karte. Probaj, i obavezno gledaj sta
stoji u uputstvu monitora jer ako nesto pogresis moze da se desi da spalis
monitor.
---
* SPEED 1.30 #514 * Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic
unix.108postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: MiniLinux
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 02:06:14 GMT
MiniLinux je stavljen i na UBBG u 4 fajla (ARJ) u direktorijum:
[000000.public.unix.linux.minilinux]
Fajlovi su spremljeni za 1.44 disketno preuzimanje...
MINILINU.ARJ
MINILINU.A01
MINILINU.A02
MINILINU.A03
Pristup fajlovima na UBBGu - Anonymous FTP.
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
*IT IS* documented, look under "For Internal Use Only."
unix.109postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 06:52:39 GMT
Djdule (djdule@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
-> ORIGIN. From: DJDULE
-> ORIGIN. To: DRAGISA N. DURIC
-> Dragisa, kako je Hobbiton vezan za YUInt ? Samo UUCP ili nesto drugo ?
UUCP k' fonu.
unix.110postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:56:56 GMT
Dragoljub Radojevic (eotek@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> re: minilinux
-> > karticu? Kada ga startujem sa xstart, on me baci u neku bezveze
-> > rezoluciju (tj. moja kartica ga ne prepoznaje).
-> takodje, a i smrzne sve - pomaze samo hard reset ?
-> (trident 8900CL,1MB)
Ovo je full Xconfig za X 2.1 sa aragorn, koji je Trident 8900, pola mega.
# **********************************************************************
# Refer to the Xconfig(4/5) man page for details about the format of
# this file. This man page is installed as /usr/X386/man/man4/Xconfig.4
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Generic parameters section
# **********************************************************************
#
# some nice paths, to avoid conflicts with other X-servers
#
RGBPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb"
#
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)
#
FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
#
# Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is
# received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may
# provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging
#
# NoTrapSignals
# **********************************************************************
# Input devices
# **********************************************************************
#
# Enable this to use the XQUEUE driver for keyboard and mouse handling
# under System V. This may go away in the future.
#
# Note - If you use XQUEUE, you must comment out the keyboard and
# mouse definitions.
#
#
# Keyboard and various keyboard-related parameters
#
Keyboard
# AutoRepeat 500 5
ServerNumLock
# Xleds 1 2 3
# DontZap
#
# To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift,
# RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock:
#
# LeftAlt Meta
# RightAlt ModeShift
# RightCtl Compose
# ScrollLock ModeLock
#
# Mouse definition and related parameters
#
# Logitech "/dev/tty00"
# BaudRate 9600
# SampleRate 150
microsoft "/dev/mouse"
Emulate3Buttons
BaudRate 1200
# **********************************************************************
# Graphics drivers
# **********************************************************************
#
# For boards with a programmable clock generator, you use a line like:
#
# Clocks "icd2061a"
# Then the Modes line may contain any mode the Monitor section has
#
vga256
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Video Card Definition
# Video Card ID 68
# Video Card Name: TVGA9000
# Trident TVGA9000
# Contributed By: Gertjan Akkerman
# Last Change: 03-02-94
# Chipset tvga9000
Clocks 25.3 28.3 45.0 36.0 57.3 65.0 50.5 40.0 0.0 28.3 0.0 0.0 72.1 77.1 80.0 75.1
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Monitor Definition
# Monitor ID 1
# Monitor Name: VESA-Generic Modes - TRY THESE FIRST!!!
# Contributed By: David Wexelblat <dwex@goblin.org]
# Last Change: 03-03-94
ModeDB
"800x600" 77 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625
"640x480" 50 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
unix.111postmast,
From: viktor@osmeh (Viktor Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:31:38 GMT
Ivan Lotina (ilotina@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: > takodje, a i smrzne sve - pomaze samo hard reset ?
: > (trident 8900CL,1MB)
: Kod mene ne zamrzne racunar, vec ma baci u neki
: blesavi graficki mod i odmah me izbaci na prompt
: u tom gref. modu.
unix.112postmast,
From: dejan.belic@durlan.co.yu (Dejan Belic)
Subject: Nfs
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 1995 19:07:00 CET
QWK To: Ivan Nejgebauer
Hi,
Rascistio sam neke dileme oko NFS-a. Sada radi OK.
Naterali smo i radnu stanicu da radi po TCP/IP-u kako sa
NOVELL serverom tako i sa UNIX serverom bez ikakvog resetovanja
i ucitavanja zasebnih drajvera.
Sada je u jednoj lokalnoj mrezi pokopcano sledece:
- dva UNIX servera
- Novell server
- PC kao novell radna stanica sa mogucnoscu pristupa UNIX
serverima (preko NFS-a ili preko Telnet-a)
- terminal server (Specialix MTS).
Ostaje da se pokopca jos po neki stampac i da se jos probaju razne
varijacije na zadatu temu.
Evo zasto ti sve ovo pisem. Oba UNIX servera su postavljena i rade sa
indeticnim distribucijama SW-a. Kada se sve to pokrenulo, docekao me je
jedan WORNING! TCP pokrece kao prvi demon cpd, koji ima zadatak da po
lokalnoj mrezi proverava serijske brojeve instaliranog SW-a (verovatno
samo SCO-ovog). Koliko sam uspeo da primetim, poruku da je na lokalnoj
mrezi na dva hosta prisutan isti SW (konkretno NFS) i da treba preinsta-
lirati jedan od njih, javlja samo u trenutku kada se podigne drugi host.
Neznam da li posle izvesnog vremena pocne da pravi neke problema, ali
ako je samo ovo jedina poruka, onda se to moze i istrpeti.
Imam dva pitanja/molbe. Da li si u mogucnosti da nabavis sledece:
1) Jos jednu distribuciju NFS-a;
2) IPX za UNIX (koliko si mi rekao, kanda postoji na sajmu);
Nabavio sam jos jednu distribuciju TCP/IP-a za SCO, ali ne bi
skodilo da se toga nadje jos.
Ponovo se vracam na NFS. Ona zavrzlama oko privilegija prilikom
mount-ovanja, zapravo lezi i u fajlu /etc/exports. To sam tek kasnije
shvati. Taj fajl treba da sadrzi path-ove fajl sistema koji se
moun-tuju. Ko zna sta sam ja tada sve probao, ali nisam probao ono
pravo.
cu,
db
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unix.113postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 21:53:48 GMT
-=> aleck@sezam.UUCP napisa:
> Kako ovo raspakovati kad DOS to nece da primi(pkunzip javi "can't create
> file...")?Kako je ovo uopste zipovano?
Zipovano na nekom unixu. Posto unix podrzava svakakva imena (neogranicene
duzine). Sa nekim hex-editrom nadjes taj string (postoji 2 puta) i promenis
u nesto prikladnije dosu (12345678.123).... Onda probas da otpakujes!
Pozdrav!
unix.114zormi,
* Pogledah i sam....prosto da ne verujes....no comment..
* Eh sad mi ostaje da vidim da li ce da radi ispod Win '95 :))
* Cisto sumnjam..:))
Ne radi. A baš sam hteo u jednom prozoru da poteram UNIX FOR WINDOWS ;))
Još kad bi moglo: iz OS/2 pokreneš Windows, pa iz njega u DOS prozoru
LINUX, pa iz njega DOS emulator... iz koga bi mogao da se startuje OS/2.
unix.115violator,
Instalirao sam linux... I sada zovem iz minicoma... A da instal¸│irao sam
minilinux. I ne radi mi backspace... Takođe me zanima da li neko ima neki
yufont za linux... Sada koristim neki otkačeni koji je super... ali nema tu
yu slova :). Sorry zbog grešaka, ali nemam backspace :)))
unix.116violator,
Savladao sam backspace u minicom-u (hvala batmanu :) ), ali još uvek nemam
yu slova. Takođe ne znam šta da radim sa xwin-om, bilo mi drago kada bi mi neko
rekao šta da radim s' njim (imam TVGA 9420 Vlb Dgi). Takođe gde boh mogao da
nađem dosemu i man-ove? (Samo ne hobbiton :))) ). Eto, dosta za sada. Inače mi
se minilinux dopada...kada se negde zaglavim samo idem na sledeć űi task O;) ű.
unix.117novim,
" Još kad bi moglo: iz OS/2 pokreneš Windows, pa iz njega u DOS prozoru
" LINUX, pa iz njega DOS emulator... iz koga bi mogao da se startuje
" OS/2.
Šta bi onda vratila naredba "who am i"? - hal tytyfruty? :))
unix.118novim,
Subject: YUCCA mLinux 1.0
Stvari se kreću. Izgleda da ćemo imati Jukin MiniLinux na svega TRI
diskete od 1,44 sa najnovijim kernelom, sa helpom (man, manpgs),
elm-om, klonom Norton Commandera za Linux, etc. Stvar bi trebalo da je
gotova za dan-dva.
Evo mog plana:
1.0 - mL na tri diskete: kernel, bin, sbin, bash, razne alatke, plus
sve što se tiče komunikacija, man pages, dodatne stvarčice. (Bez
Xwindowsa.) - Verzija za one kojima Linux treba za komunikacije,
učenje, i slično (ali ne žele da programiraju pod njim). Gotovo do
sutra uveče, ako Mališa ne zakaže.
1.1 - na 4 diskete: prethodno + DosEmulator, i zshell. Do petka.
1.2 - na 10 disketa: 1.1 + gcc, libs i ostalo za kompajliranje, uz
source kernela (čitav razvojni paket je onda tu). To je i optimalna
varijanta. Kad Maksa odradi svoj deo. :)
Ove Jukine distribucije bi trebalo da su "vertikalno" usaglašene (tj.
ko ima 1.0 dovoljna mu je samo sledeća disketa za 1.1, odnosno potom
narednih 5 za 1.2 itd.)
Kome treba više, može dodati iz neke od velikih, Slackware ili inih,
distribucija šta hoće (naročito Xwin). Ima okolo.
unix.119zeljkoj,
> OndaK, jel ti XWINDOWSI mogu da radi (xw za taj Mini Linux) na
> 386, 4mb
Da, ako dodaš swap od 8 MB.
unix.120eotek,
> -> re: minilinux
> Ovo je full Xconfig za X 2.1 sa aragorn, koji je Trident 8900,
> pola mega.
Hvala na trudu, ali netje pa tacka.
ocigledno je problem u monitoru, koji je nekakav
"Cordata", '92, bez dokumentacije,tako da mu ne pogadjam
brzinu osvezavanja i sl.
Tu ne pomaze ni confx.zip (XconfigXF...). Previse bi bilo
da daljim pogadjanjem izazivam dalje tahikardije ovog monitora.
Ima li neko programce koje testira brzinu osvezavanja i
ostale parametre monitora/kartice ??
unix.121zeljkoj,
> Savladao sam backspace u minicom-u (hvala batmanu :) ), ali još
> uvek nemam yu slova. Takođe ne znam šta da radim sa xwin-om,
Meni ne radi download u MiniCom-u. :(
unix.122vitez.koja,
#=> Yap.Rešio malo kasnije,negde ujutro.E sad jedino da
#=> vidim zašto mi tar prijavljuje can't open
#=> /dev/rtm0...(šta li je to?)...Uf,ima ovde da se čita...
Kucaj tar -xf archive.tar, pa će da radi (možeš da dodaš i -v da
se ispisuju imena fajlova koji se dearhiviraju).
unix.123vlad,
> Stvari se kreću. Izgleda da ćemo imati Jukin MiniLinux na svega TRI
> diskete od 1,44 sa najnovijim kernelom, sa helpom (man, manpgs),
Svaka cast majstore! Jedva cekam da stavim sape na gorepomenuti.
B)
unix.124ppekovic,
>> > Dr> (cd /; tar cf - bin boot .... var) | (cd mnt; tar xvf -)
>> > Moracu da probam. Fala na tip-u. :)
>>
>> Pazi, otpakuje se sa tar xvpf !! Ako je bez p ... trebace ti 2
>> zivota da sredis permissionse:)) Ja sam kopirao sa cp -a, ali
>> tako oni pipeovi nece da se kopiraju... :)
Za kopiranje stabla direktorijuma uvek koristim cpio. Sledeća
komanda kopira stablo direktorijuma /usr/pera na /usr/local/mika na
SCO Unix-u. Uz manje izmene u switch-evima treba da radi na drugim
Unix-ima:
find /usr/pera -depth -print | cpio -pdmvu /usr/local/mika
p - pipe
d - kreiraj dir-ove
m - cuvaj vremena
v - ispisuj na ekran šta radiš
u - bezuslovno
Paya
unix.125ppekovic,
>> Ponovo se vracam na NFS. Ona zavrzlama oko privilegija
>> prilikom mount-ovanja, zapravo lezi i u fajlu /etc/exports. To
>> sam tek kasnije shvati. Taj fajl treba da sadrzi path-ove fajl
>> sistema koji se moun-tuju. Ko zna sta sam ja tada sve probao,
>> ali nisam probao ono pravo.
Baš tako, s tim što nakon izmene exports fajle moraš da otkucaš
exportfs -u, da obrišeš staru konfiguraciju a zatim da pokreneš novu
za exportfs -a. Sa exportfs vidiš direktorijume koji su export-ovani.
To isto možeš da vidiš ako pogledaš i /etc/xtab fajl u kome su upisani
export-ovani direktorijumi. Pored toga, ako želiš da neki host koristi
export-ovane dir-ove moraš ga imati u /etc/hosts ili ćeš dobiti
poruku "... not registered" ili tako nešto.
Paya
unix.126aleck,
>> Kucaj tar -xf archive.tar, pa će da radi (možeš da dodaš i -v da
>> se ispisuju imena fajlova koji se dearhiviraju).
Rešio sam i to kasnije,but thanks aniway.Ali problemi izniču ko...
Taj ConfigXF86(ili kako se već zove) na kraju sve petljancije treba da
snimi novi X Server(a kod mene je to XF86_S3) u X.E tu mi prijavi grešku.
U /usr/X386/bin/ diru nema toga X već ima neki X.dddd gde je dddd broj koji
se pravi po meni još uvek nejasnoj logici.On se onda linkuje na XF86_SVGA.
Od XF86_S3 nema ni traga u tom direktorijumu,a napiše mi posle onog
Copy Failed! ...
da treba da uradim jedno...
cp /usr/X386/bin/XF86_S3 /usr/X386/bin/X
Pa kako da to uradim kada ga nema(mislim XF86_S3)? Da šizneš!!
Al to nije sve...:(((((((((((((((((((
Ako probam opciju tune,on prijavi da u /tmp diru nema ddd.tmnu fajla( i
stvarno nema,ddd je opet neki broj koji izgleda zavisi od izbora kartice).
To valjda treba sam program da napravi...
IMA LI NEKO DA JE PROŠAO KROZ CELU INSTALACIJU SA OVIM ConfigXF86?!?!?!?!?
unix.127novim,
"> Stvari se kreću. Izgleda da ćemo imati Jukin MiniLinux na svega TRI
"> diskete od 1,44 sa najnovijim kernelom, sa helpom (man, manpgs),
"
" Svaka cast majstore! Jedva cekam da stavim sape na gorepomenuti.
Ma, pusti hvalu, lako za nju, nego da ulovim Mališu i najnoviji
kernel. Inače, biće sve to govoto zaista sledećih dana (sem kernela,
praktično sve ostalo je završeno). Problem je što ćemo svi morati da
poradimo na tome. Ja sam ne mogu to testirati u dovoljnoj meri (bez
brige, distribucija će biti SIGURNA, ništa neće dirati, najgore što
može da se desi jeste da taj YUmL jednostavno odbije da radi), pa
očekujem zaista pomoć u tom smislu.
Voleo bih, naime, da dođemo do jedne distribucije u kojoj ne bi bio
samo Linux, već Linux koji je maksimalno "user frendly", kako bi i
neko kod prvi put seda za Unix ipak mogao da se snađe. Takođe, ta
distribucija bi morala da ima - virtualno - sve namešteno za
komunikaciju, skoro po principu "ključ u ruke"; instaliraš, kresneš, i
eto ti na mašini sve gotovo za dial-out i dial-in, za uucp, i sl. Ali
ovo poslednje će biti gotovo tek nakon testiranja i pisanja raznih
instalacionih skriptova...
Konačno, ako sve teče po planu, nadam se da ćemo negde na leto, odmah
posle studentskih ispita, moći da realizujemo ideju koju odavno imam
(YUmL je tu glavno sredstvo): da na nekoliko dana povežemo stotinak
naših kućnih računara u Jukin "round robin", i jedno nedelju dana se
zabavimo carski, a onda pogasimo mašine i odemo na kupanje u neku
Grčku,,, Mislim da ćemo to moći prve nedelje jula da ostvarimo... Ali
o tome kad bude vreme. :)
unix.128postmast,
From: alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Jakovljevic Dejan)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 21:58:23 GMT
miniLinux...
juce smo Vecxo u ja instalirali na Vex-u mini linux, probali ga i
na kraju ga obrisali (ne pitajte sto...ne znam). Onda smo to isto
pokusali da uradimo i na racunaru Cobra i nismo uspeli.
Lepo smo prebacili zipove, odzipovali jednom, pustili ga da
se opet upakuje (onih 4, 5 fajla u jedan veliki zip) pa ga i dru-
gi put odzipovali......i dobismo linux......
No, nije hteo da radi...sada se i ne secam sta je tacno bio
uzrok (javljao je nesto) ali mislim da je problem moj disk. U ko-
bri je 730 megabajta Caviar koji ima negde u MBR-u ili_gde_vec
'uguran' svoj (WD-ov) drajver za nesto :) Izgleda da se linux i
ovaj drajver 'potuku' i....nista od ml-a :(
ima li pomoci ???
* Jakovljevic Dejan * ETF * Beograd * Srbija * alf@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
____________________________________________________________________
... Wrong number is never busy
unix.129postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 09:48:28 GMT
Jakovljevic Dejan (alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: juce smo Vecxo u ja instalirali na Vex-u mini linux, probali ga i
: na kraju ga obrisali (ne pitajte sto...ne znam). Onda smo to isto
: pokusali da uradimo i na racunaru Cobra i nismo uspeli.
Kako sto?? Pa trebalo je drivespaceovati citav disk...eto sto...
A i ne treba mi jos jedan linux na dva metra udaljenosti od galeba
:)))
unix.130postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (SuperUser)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:33:15 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: I ja isto. :)) Trajalo je celu noc. :))
: Sve radi Ok, osim X-Windowsa. Jednostavno, nece da reaguje na pokretanje
: misa, a kursor se nalazi u donjem levom uglu.
I tebi...pa ovo je vec 5 covek kojem ( koliko ja znam) X-win ne
radi na minilinux-u ukljucujuci i sebe..( isti simptomi )
unix.131postmast,
From: dcolak@setnet.co.yu (Damir Colak)
Subject: MiniLinux
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 1995 18:20:18
Jel moze neko da kaze sta ima pravi LINUX a nema MINI LINUX?
Sledge DAMMIR!
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unix.132postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: mini linux
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 1995 13:39:45
Kome mogu da poslajem diskete za Mini Linux?
Hteo bih da probam tu stvar a za razliku od pravog, ovo ima hardverske
zahteve koje mogu da prihvatim.
Broker
... BR> Sto vise TAG-ova imam, sve bolje lezu uz poruke...
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unix.133postmast,
From: djdule@durlan.co.yu (Djdule)
Subject: X.win.programiranje
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 19:25:00 CET
QWK To: All
Da li se neko od vas bavio programiranjem za X Windows. Interesuju me vasa
iskustva.
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unix.134postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: Presnimavanje
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 01:26:43 GMT
ĐŠč On 04-07-95 04:34 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
-> > -> Tada predjes u / na /dev/hda i kucas cp -a / /mnt, da ti iskopira sve
-> > u -> / i pod njim na mnt.
-> > Neeeeeeeeee! cp ce link da se kopira kao fajl na koji pokazuje. Kopira se
-> To> E pa bwana ovde nisi upravu. "cp -a" kopira i symbolic linkove i hard
Dr> E sad malo ja... :)))
Moze moze, dobrodosao, welcome, bienvenutti, willcommen...
Dr> cp -a nece uraditi kompletan posao, za razliku od tar - | tar -
Dr> varijante. Problemi se javljaju u /dev dir-u. Ispravljivo sa MAKEDEV,
Dr> ali opet... :)
E vidis, to nisam znao...mjkmbzju
Meni je radilo jer sam kopirao samo /usr/src i jos neke obicne dir-ove
sa diska na disk, ali nista specijalno, kao sto Bole hoce.
Znaci ipak mora ona zezalica sa tar-ovanjem. Da zapamtimo...
... This is a computer eating tagline. Don't...CRUNCH CRUNCH....BURP!!
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unix.135postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 01:26:48 GMT
ĐŠč On 04-06-95 23:53 Alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote:
-> to u stvari screen i cemu sluzi a uz to i sta radi (ili ne radi)?
Al> E, jos zamisli da nemas grafiku (nema je) i da su 'prozori' je-
Al> dan iza drugoga (svi maximizovani :") i da iz jednog u drugi mozes
Al> da prelazis po volji...a sve radi 'multitasking' :)) tj, svi pro-
Al> cesi RADE...ostavis u jednom ftp i on lepo skida fajlovem, u
Uhuhu, pa to lepo izgleda. Samo, radi li na 386dx40 sa 4M ram-a?
Al> uhh.....a da procitas man za screen :)
Ocu ocu, kako necu, samo da ga nadjem negde. Moracu na galeb, nema
sta... :)
(Vecxo, samo cu da procitam man, necu da startujem, 'leba mi)
... This is a computer eating tagline. Don't...CRUNCH CRUNCH....BURP!!
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unix.136postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:18:47 GMT
SuperUser (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> : I ja isto. :)) Trajalo je celu noc. :))
-> : Sve radi Ok, osim X-Windowsa. Jednostavno, nece da reaguje na pokretanje
-> : misa, a kursor se nalazi u donjem levom uglu.
-> I tebi...pa ovo je vec 5 covek kojem ( koliko ja znam) X-win ne
-> radi na minilinux-u ukljucujuci i sebe..( isti simptomi )
Jel' znas sta pita papagaj vlasnika dok zajedno padaju iz aviona ?:)
Glede misa, i onih koji zele da rijese svoj problem, a ne samo da
nekonstruktivno pljuju, preporucujem obracanje paznje na mouse definition
dio u Xconfig. Kod mene tu pise
MouseSystems "/dev/mouse"
BaudRate 1200
Sramota je za onog Portugalca sto nema istog misa kao ovi koji bi da
instaliraju sistem ali da ako je ikako moguce ne procitaju ni jedan README.
dd
unix.137postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:10:52 GMT
Marko Nesovic (violator@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Instalirao sam linux... I sada zovem iz minicoma... A da instal irao sam
-> minilinux. I ne radi mi backspace... Takode me zanima da li neko ima neki
-> yufont za linux... Sada koristim neki otkaceni koji je super... ali nema tu
-> yu slova :). Sorry zbog gresaka, ali nemam backspace :)))
Opcije, screen and keyboard, backspace key...
Font moze bilo koji od vgamax.
unix.138smarkov,
> Apropo Mini Linux-a, kako da za X Windows naštelujem grafičku
> karticu? Kada ga startujem sa xstart, on me baci u neku bezveze
> rezoluciju (tj. moja kartica ga ne prepoznaje).
> Ivan
Ne znam šta sve sadrži Mini Linux distribucija. U principu, moraš da
imaš X server za tvoju karticu (uglavnom se troši SVGA ako nemaš neku
egzotiku. Dalja podešavanja se obavljaju u Xconfig datoteci. Ovaj deo
je prilično tricky postupak. Za početak potraži Xconfig primere. Verovatno
ćeš naći za svoju karticu. Fino podešavanje : vgaset programče. Ako
ne ide javi na mail.
U ovoj (?) CONF sam, pre jedno pola godine, poslao detaljno opisan postupak
za štimovanje Xconfig-a.
unix.139vlad,
> Voleo bih, naime, da dođemo do jedne distribucije u kojoj ne bi bio
> samo Linux, već Linux koji je maksimalno "user frendly", kako bi i
> neko kod prvi put seda za Unix ipak mogao da se snađe. Takođe, ta
Citas mi misli covece B). Posto sam prototip korisnika za koga je
taj ML predvidjen dobrovoljno se nudim da ga testiram i ucim se
na njemu. Ako meni sve bude jasno bice sigurno i drugima. B)
BTW, kako ces ga distribuirati, odnosno gde i pod kojim uslovima
ce moci da se presnimi?
unix.140novim,
" BTW, kako ces ga distribuirati, odnosno gde i pod kojim uslovima
" ce moci da se presnimi?
Evo, gotov je i kernel, skoro najnoviji. Biće to YUCCA distribucija na
3 diskete. Biće džabe, naravno, a valjda će se i na Sezamu naći mesta
za toliko, kao i drugde...
unix.141mkaralic,
Zdravo!
Kao jedan apsolutni početnik, postavio bih par pitanja u vezi mini
Linux-a:
1.Kako da promenim default tastaturu? Šta i gde treba da izmenim?
2.Gde da podesim default grafički mod za X-Windows, jer kad ga
startujem, monitor malo zapišti, a X-Windows prijavi grešku (nešto
kao da grafički mod nije podržan)?
Unapred Hvala!
Pozdrav // Mik !!!
unix.142.marko.,
-->> From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (SuperUser)
-->> Subject: Re: unix
-->> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:33:15 GMT
-->>
-->> Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-->> : I ja isto. :)) Trajalo je celu noc. :))
-->> : Sve radi Ok, osim X-Windowsa. Jednostavno, nece da reaguje na
-->> pokretanje : misa, a kursor se nalazi u donjem levom uglu.
-->>
-->> I tebi...pa ovo je vec 5 covek kojem ( koliko ja znam) X-win ne
-->> radi na minilinux-u ukljucujuci i sebe..( isti simptomi )
Isti slucaj i kod mene, skinuo sam ga sa UBBG-a (4 .arj fajla),
instalacija je prosla OK, sve sljaka osmim X-Win-a, simptomi isti,
ima li nekog da mu radi, zna li neko u cemu je fora?
Cim pipnem misa kurzor ode u donji levi kut i pomaze samo reset!
unix.143vlad,
> Evo, gotov je i kernel, skoro najnoviji. Biće to YUCCA distribucija
> na 3 diskete. Biće džabe, naravno, a valjda će se i na Sezamu naći
> mesta za toliko, kao i drugde...
Jos samo da se nadje mesta za 14400 modeme...
Nego, pominjao si nesto klub. Kako da tamo obavimo razmenu kad
nema racunara na kome bismo mogli da presnimimo diskete? Ja
donesem prazne & nove, a ti meni snimljene?
unix.144kuki,
> Isti slucaj i kod mene, skinuo sam ga sa UBBG-a (4 .arj fajla),
> instalacija je prosla OK, sve sljaka osmim X-Win-a, simptomi isti,
> ima li nekog da mu radi, zna li neko u cemu je fora?
> Cim pipnem misa kurzor ode u donji levi kut i pomaze samo reset!
uh, kolko ja znam, reset tu nije neophodan, valjda je dosta jedno
ctrl-altf1-7 :) da pređeš u drugu konzolu, i onda otalen ubiješ xwin, ili
pređeš BAŠ na konzolu sa koje si startovao xwin i tamo lupiš ctrl-c :) A
što se miša tiče, probaj da u Xconfig staviš Microsoft mouse, ili nešto
slično :)
p.s. ja i kad stavim to, miš ne radi, neko reče zbog prastare verzije
kernela... :(
unix.145kuki,
> 1.Kako da promenim default tastaturu? Šta i gde treba da izmenim?
u dir-u /etc/rc.d/ imaš nekoliko fajlova koji se startuju pri dizanju
sistema... E, u jednom od njih (možda je rc.local, ne sećam se) se poziva
redefinicija tastature... sigurno ćeš i sam prepoznati tu liniju, pa samo
na njen početak stavi # :)
unix.146novim,
" Nego, pominjao si nesto klub. Kako da tamo obavimo razmenu kad
" nema racunara na kome bismo mogli da presnimimo diskete? Ja
" donesem prazne & nove, a ti meni snimljene?
Samo ti ponesi prazne (& polovne) od 1.44, 3 komada... Što se ostalih
tiče, mislim da će naredne noće sve biti ovde.
Iznenađenje je da je na te tri diskete stao ne samo ceo mL, sa jednim
od najnovijih kernela (uz nc, splitvt, etc.), već i - DosEmulator. :)
unix.147vlad,
Re: XWin.
> ima li nekog da mu radi, zna li neko u cemu je fora?
> Cim pipnem misa kurzor ode u donji levi kut i pomaze samo reset!
Meni radi. Uredno je sam prepoznao Tseng-a (sa sve ramdac-om) i
pacova. Nista nisam morao da diram. Konacno da i meni nesto
proradi iz prve B).
unix.148violator,
:>> Evo, gotov je i kernel, skoro najnoviji. Biće to YUCCA
:>> distribucija na
:>> 3 diskete. Biće džabe, naravno, a valjda će se i na Sezamu naći
:>> mesta
:>> za toliko, kao i drugde...
Eh, još samo kada biste napravili upgrade za običani mL, tj. da u jednom
zip-u budu novi kernel, dosemu i ostalo što ste vi dodadali, pošto nas ima koji
smo preuzeli običani mL.
unix.149vlad,
> Samo ti ponesi prazne (& polovne) od 1.44, 3 komada... Što se
> ostalih tiče, mislim da će naredne noće sve biti ovde.
Masala, eto mene.
> Iznenađenje je da je na te tri diskete stao ne samo ceo mL, sa
> jednim od najnovijih kernela (uz nc, splitvt, etc.), već i -
> DosEmulator. :)
Ma sta "eto", trcim bre! B)
unix.150novim,
" Eh, još samo kada biste napravili upgrade za običani mL, tj. da u
" jednom zip-u budu novi kernel, dosemu i ostalo što ste vi dodadali,
" pošto nas ima koji smo preuzeli običani mL.
Ma, može i to. Sve može. Biće ovih dana, čim se malo odmorih od ovih
15-ak dana intezivnog linuxovanja (i to se čoveku smuči), i čim
oporavim modem od silnog upload-a. Biće i taj deo (kernel + DosEmu),
mada svima savetujem da pređu na YUCCA distribuciju, iz mnogih razloga
koji će tek biti uočljivi, nadam se, kao korisni.
Ko stigne da ovo pročita, i nije mu teško, nekad večeras dođe u Klub
sa tri prazne 1.44 diskete i uzme yucca-Linux.
Ko ne stigne, neka podigne odavde sa Sezama (malo je jači trans, ali,
kad sam ja mogao da nagorenatovarim, moći ćete i da pretovarite.) :)
unix.151postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: X.win.programiranje
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:40:10 GMT
Djdule (djdule@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: Da li se neko od vas bavio programiranjem za X Windows. Interesuju me vasa
: iskustva.
Radio sam nekad davno (vrlo intenzivno) sa Motif kit-om na SCO-u.
Iskustvo je sirok pojam, mail me sta te tacno zanima...
--
Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
#! rnews 839
unix.152postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 17:25:19 GMT
>> Marko Nesovic (violator@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> -> Instalirao sam linux... I sada zovem iz minicoma... A da instal irao sam
>> -> minilinux. I ne radi mi backspace... Takode me zanima da li neko ima neki
>> -> yufont za linux... Sada koristim neki otkaceni koji je super... ali nema tu
>> -> yu slova :). Sorry zbog gresaka, ali nemam backspace :)))
A radi li CTRL-H :))))))
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.153postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Situacija:)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 18:49:06 GMT
Zamislimo situaciju:
2200. godina, Beograd, ja imam iznajmljenu liniju sa Internet providerom:)
I naravno, hocu da teram PPP. Kako onda izgleda chat script? Tj. kako modemu
da objasnim da ne vrti, nego da samo posalje carrier, ili kako to vec ide
sa iznjamljenim linijama..
Pozdrav!
unix.154postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:11 GMT
"Marko Nesovic" <violator@sezam.UUCP> napisa:
> nego ne znam nista da uradim sa tim mL, jer kada pokrenem onaj linux.bat i
> sacekam malo saceka me login prompt :((((. Ja nemam ideje sta tada da radim.
> Takode bi mi dobro dosao jos neki hint za pocetak.
Probaj da se ulogujes na root. Sifra bi trebala da je nista:)
Pozdravlja Vas,
Bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu
unix.155postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:16 GMT
"Zeljko Jovanovic" <zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP> napisa:
> Sve radi Ok, osim X-Windowsa. Jednostavno, nece da reaguje na pokretanje
> misa, a kursor se nalazi u donjem levom uglu.
Jel rade X-Windowsi na 386, 4 mb rama?!?! :)
Pozdrav!
unix.156postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:20 GMT
"Aleksandar Vacic" <aleck@sezam.UUCP> napisa:
> Modes da radis svasta...Prvo se loguj kao root i onda si u promptu u
> svom diru.Imas naredbe dir,cp=copy,rm=del,mv=move(valjda).Mozes da se
> zezas pa da sa adduser dodajes korisnike.Ako otkucas setup mozes cak i
I nemoj mnogo da radis sa root-a.... Opasno je ponekad:) Recimo, mozes
permisionse tako da sredis, da .... O:)
Pozdrav...
unix.157postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:23 GMT
vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina) napisa:
> A i ne treba mi jos jedan linux na dva metra udaljenosti od galeba
Kako ne treba ti?? Zajedno smo jaci . . .. :)
unix.158postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:27 GMT
"Marko Nesovic" <violator@sezam.UUCP> napisa:
> Instalirao sam linux... I sada zovem iz minicoma... A da instal irao sam
> minilinux. I ne radi mi backspace... Takode me zanima da li neko ima neki
Sa ctrl-alt-t promeni terminal u ansi. Takodje minicom mozes da startujes
sa minicom -m i onda ce ti komande biti na alt ... (kao u Telemateu:)
Pozdrav...
unix.159postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:31 GMT
"Zeljko Jovanovic" <zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP> napisa:
> > OndaK, jel ti XWINDOWSI mogu da radi (xw za taj Mini Linux) na
> > 386, 4mb
> Da, ako dodas swap od 8 MB.
Ma nije problem swap, problem je brzina:) Da ne bude ko MS windows. .. .
Pozdrav...
unix.160postmast,
From: bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:24:34 GMT
andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) napisa:
> Uhuhu, pa to lepo izgleda. Samo, radi li na 386dx40 sa 4M ram-a?
E, kad smo kod screen-a, STO MENI NECE DA SE KOMPAJLIRA?! Samo kaze da nema
sgtty.h .. onda pogledam i ima ga u /usr/include/bsd/, ja mu onda promenim
tamo u sorucetu, ali on opet nesto ludi itd :)
Pozdrav...
unix.161postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 01:17:19 GMT
ĐŠč On 04-10-95 04:08 Novim@sezam.uucp wrote:
No> Moja ideja sa Jukinim mL-om je da se doda novi kernel i source,
No> kompajler, DosEmu, elm, i jos ponesto, a izbaci sasvim X windows (on
No> se moze dodari naknadno, a osim da zadovolji znatizelju malo cemu
No> ovakav Xwin sluzi). Treba napraviti malu, ali funkcionalnu
No> distribuciju.
Ehe, ta ti je dobra! Time sam se i ja zanosio, rek'o da zamenim moj
normalni linux sa ovim pa da dodam samo sta mi treba. A fino je sto to
moze. Zato, glasam za ovu ideju - dakle, minilinux bez X-a a sa GCC-om,
dosemu-om i tako to.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.162postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: mini linux
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 18:03:31 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: ... Prodajem frizider. Pogodan kao kuciste za pentium.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^
^
Divno. Po kojoj ceni? Upravo treba da mi stigne 8 komada pa da ih
vezem u kocku pod MGX-om. Samo nemoj preterivati sa cenom. Pozdrav.
unix.163postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: X.win.programiranje
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 18:05:08 GMT
Djdule (djdule@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: QWK To: All
: Da li se neko od vas bavio programiranjem za X Windows. Interesuju me vasa
: iskustva.
Naso se po neko, doduse skromno. Uglavnom momci iz Nisa. Raspitaj se.
unix.164postmast,
From: anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Inteligentna multiport kartica
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 18:06:35 GMT
Dakle, kernel javlja za Specialix Multiport Card (inteligentna) da je
pocket adapter ciji port nije 0x3nesto.nesto. Da napomenem da ne posjedujem
drajver/modul za Linux oji bi prepoznao kartu. Pitanje je kako da
profunkcionise (bez uporabe SCO-a, za koje, btw, postoje veznici)...
dakle borba za zivot ili SCO.:)
--
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU
anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
unix.165postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:09:57 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu) reche:
/* >E, kad smo kod screen-a, STO MENI NECE DA SE KOMPAJLIRA?! Samo kaze da nema
/* >sgtty.h .. onda pogledam i ima ga u /usr/include/bsd/, ja mu onda promenim
/* >tamo u sorucetu, ali on opet nesto ludi itd :)
Uzmi screen sa FONa...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
If two wrongs don't make a right, try three.
unix.166postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:57:00 GMT
-=> bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu napisa:
.
.
.
STA MI SE desilo sa organization? Sto imam ONO ruzno? Tj. sta je moglo da
ga promeni? Pisao sam iz yarn-a, jel je bilo preko 100 poruka, pa mi se
nije citalo on-line:)
Pozdrav..
unix.167postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:57:51 GMT
-=> bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu napisa:
> Uzmi screen sa FONa...
To sam i uradio... ali nece. Uzeo sam binary sa hobbitona i, gle, radi:)
Pozdrav..
unix.168postmast,
From: bole@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Pine
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:24:06 GMT
Hi,
Dobio sam neki mail od nekud:) i tu je uuencodovan neki file, ali kako
mi izgleda:) pine-om. Jer sadrzi "karakteristican" header. E posto ja
ne koristim pine, KAKO DA DECODUJEM?! Unapred mnogo, puno, zahvalan dole
potpisani!
--
Pozdravlja vas,
Bole@Mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu
unix.169postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 16:38:13 GMT
Aleksandar Vacic (aleck@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
>> Resio sam i to kasnije,but thanks aniway.Ali problemi iznicu ko...
>> Taj ConfigXF86(ili kako se vec zove) na kraju sve petljancije treba da
>> snimi novi X Server(a kod mene je to XF86_S3) u X.E tu mi prijavi gresku.
>> U /usr/X386/bin/ diru nema toga X vec ima neki X.dddd gde je dddd broj koji
>> se pravi po meni jos uvek nejasnoj logici.On se onda linkuje na XF86_SVGA.
>> Od XF86_S3 nema ni traga u tom direktorijumu,a napise mi posle onog
>> Pa kako da to uradim kada ga nema(mislim XF86_S3)? Da siznes!!
Nisam siguran da li si ti instalirao mL ili pravi Linux. Ako
je u pitanju ovaj prvi nemoj nista da se cudis jer je to mini
instalacija i u nju jednostavno nisu mogli da uguraju sve
X servere. Ako je tako onda moras negde da pokupis XF86_S3.
Ako je u pitanju prava instalacija (nemam pojma kako bi to
drugacije nazvao) onda si prilikom instalacije rekao da ne
zelis da se instalira i taj server pa si ostao bez njega, sto
se svodi na sito moras da ga nabavis posebno. Inace pogledaj
malo koliko je veliki XF86_SVGA, pa ce ti biti jasno zasto u
mL-u nema ostalih.
>> IMA LI NEKO DA JE PROSAO KROZ CELU INSTALACIJU SA OVIM ConfigXF86?!?!?!?!?
Moze, moze, samo da budu tu svi potrebni fajlovi. Inace
mnogima nece da radi mis u XWin-u a vrlo moguc razlog je taj
sto su pri konfigurisanju rekli da je MS kompatibilan, kao
sto to pise u dokumentaciji, umesto da kazu da imaju obican
serijski mis pa da radi normalno. Zasto je to tako pojma
nemam, ali radi pa svi koji imaju problema sa misem obavezno
to da urade.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.170postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 15:13:35 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
-> -=> bole@Mrsys2.MR-Net.co.yu napisa:
-> .
-> .
-> .
-> STA MI SE desilo sa organization? Sto imam ONO ruzno? Tj. sta je moglo da
-> ga promeni? Pisao sam iz yarn-a, jel je bilo preko 100 poruka, pa mi se
-> nije citalo on-line:)
Mora da ti je yarn ubacio svoj Organization header.
unix.171postmast,
From: dcolak@setnet.co.yu (Damir Colak)
Subject: MiniLinux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 23:25:58
DC> Jel moze neko da kaze sta ima pravi LINUX a nema MINI LINUX?
Ne mora! :) Instalirao sam pravi LINUX. Hmmhm, sad mi treba DOSEMU za
BBS :)
No, free memory imam nekih 100K :( (386-4Mb). Sve to i nije bas
brzo...
Sledge DAMIR!
* Origin: Sledge HAMMER! BBS 011/163-452 22:00-07:00 (38:103/128)
unix.172postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:29:36 GMT
Marko Nesovic (violator@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: sacekam malo saceka me login prompt :((((. Ja nemam ideje sta tada da radim.
: Takode bi mi dobro dosao jos neki hint za pocetak.
login: root
password-a nema na pocetku :))
unix.173postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:35:37 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Sve radi Ok, osim X-Windowsa. Jednostavno, nece da reaguje na pokretanje
: misa, a kursor se nalazi u donjem levom uglu.
Jedan od problema sa misem pod XWin-om moze biti select koji ti sluzi
da u obicnom terminalu radis copy-paste pomoci misa. Probaj da ga izbacis
komentarisanjem u datoteci /etc/rc.d/rc.local pa vidi da li radi ...
unix.174postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Solaris 2.4
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:59:32 GMT
Da li neko u yu poseduje diskete ili CD sa instalacijom Solaris 2.4.
Dolaze u obzir i nize verzije ;) Naravno za Intel procesore.
unix.175postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Hederi...
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:02:30 GMT
Da li neko zna gde mogu da se nadju hederi iz Xm direktorijuma?
Naime mnogi programi (X-Win) traze hedere iz tog dir-a (ili bese Xd ;)
hedere nisam nasao ni pod Linux-om ni pod DEC Ultrix-om. Mosaic ih
posebno preferira :))
unix.176postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: X386
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:16:43 GMT
Posto su sada pitanja na temu X386 aktuelna imam i ja jedno:
Gde moze da se nadje program xmore na koji je pozivaju view-er
opcije xfilemanager-a i xfm-a, i ako njega nema nigde, sta mi preporucujete
kao zamenu ??
Unapred hvala i pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.177postmast,
From: vasa@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksander Vasiljevic)
Subject: Re: Pine
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 23:38:45 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu) wrote:
-> Hi,
-> Dobio sam neki mail od nekud:) i tu je uuencodovan neki file, ali kako
-> mi izgleda:) pine-om. Jer sadrzi "karakteristican" header. E posto ja
-> ne koristim pine, KAKO DA DECODUJEM?! Unapred mnogo, puno, zahvalan dole
-> potpisani!
Kao prvo, to nije uuencode-ovan fajl, vec je u MIME formatu. To znaci da
ga moras 'deMIME'-ovati onim cime ga je posiljalac kodovao - pine-om.
Znaci, sve sto treba da uradis je da nadjes pine...Hint: orao :)
Btw, jako puno ljudi na Internetu koristi pine, vise nego npr. elm...ko
bi rekao...Za detalje pitaj Baneta Subotica, on je to cudo dovukao :)
Pozdrav,
Vasa
--
Vasiljevic Aleksander*student*Jovana Rajica 5-b,11000 BG,YU*(+38111)407085
(vasa@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu)(vasa@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu)(vasa@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu)
unix.178postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 02:00:58 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Subject: YUCCA mLinux 1.0
: Kome treba vise, moze dodati iz neke od velikih, Slackware ili inih,
: distribucija sta hoce (narocito Xwin). Ima okolo.
Koliko ja vidim, minilinux deo svoje popularnosti i divljenja autoru
dugujeupravo tome sto je uspeo da strpa I Xwin. Dakle sve tri varijante su
OK i sa puno rezona ali bit trebalo imati i jednu verijantu sa Xwin i to
sredjeno da ljudima ne umire na obicnim karicama i misevima. Razlog ? Vrlo
prosto - ljudi vole da se poigraju a bogami i da se pohvale gostima kako
teraju i X-Windows ko od sale - citava stvar sa minilinux-om i jeste u tome
- have some fun for free - coveku ne potrosi mnogo prostora, bude mu zabavno
da malo proba i pohvali se okolini, ostane mu u secanju da su linux i unix
dobre stvari, pa ce jednog dana kad mu nasto vise bude trebalo to i traziti.
Ukoliko se pak neku na prvom koraku sudari sa necim sto mu nije zabavno, od
cega nije imao bas nikakvog zadovoljstva - bye bye - sad i nikad vise. Vec je
bilo ovde stogod poruka tipa - ja instalirao i sta sad koji k***c da radim
s tim.
Dakle - nek bude jedna verzija za Xwinom i po mogucstvu izborom
igara kako za Xwin tako i onih obicnih - to kacite ljudima da se zanimaju i
bice mnogo novih ljubitelja *NIX-a.
Just my $0.02
unix.179postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.4
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 02:40:53 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
: Da li neko u yu poseduje diskete ili CD sa instalacijom Solaris 2.4.
: Dolaze u obzir i nize verzije ;) Naravno za Intel procesore.
Da li je informacija o egzistenciji doticnog pouzdana? Koliko je
meni poznato, Intel verzije Solarisa ne prate SPARC verzije (zlobnici kazu da
imaju manje bug-ova :-)
unix.180postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: INN & problem with inews
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:54:29 GMT
Drage moje, dragi moji
Imam jedan problem.
Podsecam vas da sam svaki problemcic i problemetinu uspeo da
resim posle nekoliko dana upornog citanja razne
dokumentacije, ali me ovo muci vec nedeljama.
Naime, koristim INN 1.4 (da, znam da je CNEWS manje zahtevan,
ali verzija koju imam je bagovita -- nece da postira u grupu,
nego zavrsi u /var/spool/news/in.coming). Posle
kompajliranja, podesavanja, malih problema na portu 119 (bio
je ukljucen in.nntpd iz NET-3 paketa) sve je prosljakalo na
masini pax.caa.co.yu (i486, 16+1M, 1G, Linux 1.2.0).
Da, sve je proradilo, osim postiranja clanaka sa drugih
hostova (pa i sa samog servera, kada ne citam direktno iz
/var/spool/news, nego kada se konektujem na port 119 --
rtin). Sam mehanizam postiranja radi i clanak se pojavi, ali
umesto imena hosta sa koga se postira (na primer
alef.caa.co.yu), server zapise From: polje kao na primer
root@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE.
E sad, pretpostavljam da inews koji pravi i dodaje linije u
headeru poruke ne moze da uhvati ime hosta sa koga se
postira. Mozda stvar i nije u INN-u, vec je to mozda
slozeniji problem na mrezi.
Jos jednom podsecam, da sam trivijalne kombinacije probao, i
da je sve u redu sa domenima na obe masine i tako to... :-)
Probajte...
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.181postmast,
From: grebov@fon (Gordan Grebovic)
Subject: POSTGRES
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:41:47 GMT
Da li je neko uspesno instalirao POSTGRES na Linux?
unix.182postmast,
From: todorp@hobbiton.CO.YU (Predrag Todorovic)
Subject: Re: Dosemu & Hercules
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:08:45 GMT
Predrag Todorovic (todorp@fon) wrote:
> Hi!
> Da li je neko uspeo da natera dosemu da radi sa herkulesom u grafickom modu
> a da nije neka glupost (na 3 linije 2 ispise a 1 ne).
> U config-u mi stoji:
> video { mda console graphics }
Zar je moguce da niko nema kombinaciju hercules+dosemu? Ili niko nije usopeo
da to natera da radi kako treba :(
Pozdrav od Pedje!
unix.183postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: POSTGRES
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 12:05:27 GMT
Gordan Grebovic (grebov@fon) wrote:
: Da li je neko uspesno instalirao POSTGRES na Linux?
Ja... Sledis README i sljaka ko ludo...
--
Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
#! rnews 744
unix.184postmast,
From: alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Jakovljevic Dejan)
Subject: cd rom
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 12:14:37 GMT
Hi ppl,
imamo CDU-55E n linuxu (galeb / vecxo). Za PCja postoji program
LOCK koji zakljuca disk -> ne reaguje na dugme za EJECT !!!
E, sad, treba uraditi (ili naci) lock za unix !!!
help...
.d.ex..
* Jakovljevic Dejan * ETF * Beograd * Srbija * alf@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
____________________________________________________________________
... DOS ERROR: Please remove cat from drive A:
unix.185postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:05:58 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) je rekao/la:
>> Marko Nesovic (violator@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> : sacekam malo saceka me login prompt :((((. Ja nemam ideje sta tada da radim.
>> : Takode bi mi dobro dosao jos neki hint za pocetak.
>> login: root
>> password-a nema na pocetku :))
>>
Da, to moras obavezno ali nemoj da se igras mnogo sa tim nalogom
dok ne naucis neke osnovne stvari. Prvo sto treba da uradis kad
se ulogujes treba da kreiras novog korisnika, a to radis sa
komandom adduser. Kad te pita za razne stvari obavezno mu moras
reci korisnicko ime, ako hoces (trebalo bi), sifru i pravo ime a
na ostalo samo udaras enter. E kad to zavrsis prvo kucas exit i
on te izloguje kao root-a. Kad se ponovo pojavi login: tu kucas
ono sto si malopre kucao i to je to. E sad vec mozes da se igras
bez mnogo bojazni da ces nesto ozbiljno da zeznes. Osnovne
komande su ls, cp, mv, w i slicne. Da bi video sta sve postoji
pogledaj u dirove /bin (osnovni set komandi), /usr/bin,
/usr/local/bin itd. Da bi saznao sta koja komanda radi poteras
man ime-programa i vidis. E ako nemas man-ove to je velika greska
i obavezno ih instaliraj, kao prva pomoc moze da posluzi ako
kucas ime-programa --help, sto bi trebalo da ti da osnovni
help, obicno samo razne prekidace.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.186postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: screen
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:13:00 GMT
-=> dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU napisa:
> Mora da ti je yarn ubacio svoj Organization header.
Pa da.. radi pod dos-om :) Jest, pogledao sam MALKO se zbunio covek:)
CU
unix.187postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: GNU Pascal
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:16:30 GMT
Namestio sam danas GPC i lepo radi.. ali posto sam do pre 6 meseci radi na
Turbo Pasaclu nisam "osecao" mnoge stvari. Recimo, kako da otvaram neke
fajlove i slicno tome... Tamo je bilo uses crt i gotovo:) A ovde?
Pozdraav!
unix.188postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: Pine
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:18:28 GMT
-=> vasa@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu napisa:
> Kao prvo, to nije uuencode-ovan fajl, vec je u MIME formatu. To znaci da
> ga moras 'deMIME'-ovati onim cime ga je posiljalac kodovao - pine-om.
To sam shvatio:)
Ali mi treba kako da DEMIMEJUJEM :)
pozdrav!
unix.189postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: cd rom
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:23:31 GMT
-=> alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu napisa:
> Hi ppl,
> imamo CDU-55E n linuxu (galeb / vecxo). Za PCja postoji program
> LOCK koji zakljuca disk -> ne reaguje na dugme za EJECT !!!
> E, sad, treba uraditi (ili naci) lock za unix !!!
Cudno, dok sam ja imao cdrom nisam mogao da izvadim cd dok umountujem
cdrom:) ....
Pozdrav
unix.190postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:13:56 GMT
Miroslav Hristodulo (malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> rtin). Sam mehanizam postiranja radi i clanak se pojavi, ali
-> umesto imena hosta sa koga se postira (na primer
-> alef.caa.co.yu), server zapise From: polje kao na primer
-> root@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE.
ls -l /etc/*INEWS*
ili barem slicno. Cest problem sa inn, pun je bio usenet svojevremeno
takvih hostnejmova.
Nisam siguran da se dobro sjecam, pa mi javni jel to bilo to.
unix.191postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 18:54:33 GMT
Zarko Berberski (zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: cega nije imao bas nikakvog zadovoljstva - bye bye - sad i nikad vise. Vec je
: bilo ovde stogod poruka tipa - ja instalirao i sta sad koji k***c da radim
: s tim.
Pa treba misliti pre instalacije UNIX-a da li je to zaista potrebno coveku
za rad ili ucenje. Izgleda da kod nas ima dosta ljudi koji samo "isprobavaju"
razne OS-ove i programske pakete, potrebno je malo truda uloziti da bi se
zaista neki OS koristio na zadovoljavajucem nivou.
unix.192postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Re: GNU Pascal
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:13:58 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic wrote:
: Namestio sam danas GPC i lepo radi.. ali posto sam do pre 6 meseci radi na
: Turbo Pasaclu nisam "osecao" mnoge stvari. Recimo, kako da otvaram neke
Evo i ja da se pridruzim ovoj molbi. Konktretno: ima li igde
dokumentacije za GPC. Dovoljan bi bio i spisak funkcija i procedura koje
podrzava (sa odgovarajucim parametrima).
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.193postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.4
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:04:11 GMT
Zarko Berberski (zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
: : Da li neko u yu poseduje diskete ili CD sa instalacijom Solaris 2.4.
: : Dolaze u obzir i nize verzije ;) Naravno za Intel procesore.
: Da li je informacija o egzistenciji doticnog pouzdana? Koliko je
: meni poznato, Intel verzije Solarisa ne prate SPARC verzije (zlobnici kazu da
: imaju manje bug-ova :-)
Solaris grupa se prenosi na YUInet i medju poslednjim porukame je bio
i FAQ u kome ima sve lepo izneseno... Inace i u UNIX rivjuvu iz aprila
95 se pomine Solaris 2.4 za Intel, kazu ljudi da radi odlicno i da je
ta verzija ista kao i za SPARC-ove. Navodno dosta programa su cak i
binarno kompatibilna tj. on ima loader za sparc kod...
Sve u svemu ljudi su veoma zadovoljni sun-ovim koracima :), inace uskoro
treba da izadje i Solaris 2.4 za PowerPC...
unix.194postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:11:06 GMT
Miroslav Hristodulo (malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Da, sve je proradilo, osim postiranja clanaka sa drugih
: hostova (pa i sa samog servera, kada ne citam direktno iz
: /var/spool/news, nego kada se konektujem na port 119 --
Mozda si vec probao al' ajde da ti predlozim ;)
probaj da se telnetujes na port 119, zatim nntp server-u salji
redom linije hedera, naravno on ti nece odmah javiti gresku
posle unete linije from: ali kada zavrsis sa "." trebalo bi
da ti javi warning sto se ogleda da ce ti vratiti broj 3XX
i string sa warningom... Mozda ti taj warning pomogne pri resavanju
problema.
Nadam se da sam ovom porukom i pomogao, tj. nisam izazvao sum :)
unix.195postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Linux Kernel.
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 01:54:51 GMT
Izasao je novi kernel 1.2.4 koji za sada radi perfektno CAK i kod
mene.Izgleda da mu je malo prepravljen rad sa NFS-om i mrezom.
Jos nije pao, a izgleda da i ne misli..(kuc kuc kuc).
Moze se pokupiti preko anonymous ftp-a na galeb-u..
/linux/system/kernel
Tu se nalaze i patchevi za kernele 1.2.1,1.2.2 i 1.2.3 pa ko
voli da eksperimentise ima priliku i za to.
Pozdrav,
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.196novim,
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
(v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.001 (729,458) f. 1/6)
Linux je Unix operativni sistem, pripada slobodnom sofveru, i delo je
stotina, hiljada ljudi sa celog Interneta. To je višekorisnički sistem,
sa mogućnostima multitaskinga, virtualne memorije, umrežavanja, itd.
YUCCA (Yugoslav Computer Communication Association - Jugoslovensko
udruženje za računarske komunikacije) i do sada je radila na distribuciji
Linuxa. Ovo je prva njena domaća distribucija. Brojka 1.0 označava
osnovni deo sistema; brojka 1 (poslednja od tri brojke iz pune oznake)
označava ovu verziju osnovnog dela. Tako će osnovni deo uvek biti
označen sa 1.0, a sledeća njegova verzija će biti 1.0.2 itd. Osnovni deo
će uvek biti na 3 diskete od 1.44 Mb. Puna YUCCA distribucija Linuxa će
biti na daleko više disketa, i svi kasniji delovi, koji će biti označeni
kao 1.1, 1.2 itd. moći će da se dodaju osnovnom, 1.0 delu; time će ova
distribucija nastojati da zadrži tzv. vertikalnu kompatibilnost.
YUCCA distribucija Linuxa može da se deli besplatno, ili sa minimalnom
naplatom koja se tiče troškova kopiranja i medijuma; od distributera i
korisnika ove distribucije očekuje se da budu clanovi YUCCA i da pomognu
rad Udruženja. Pri Udruženju postoji posebna sekcija za Unix, u kojoj
članovi mogu da dobiju pomoć i oko samog Linuxa. Ova distribucija je pre
svega namenjena početnicima sa Unixom (korisnicima naviklim na Dos),
iako može da posluži i za ozbiljniji rad. Njen cilj je da olakša
upoznavanje Unixa i njegovo korišćenje u kompjuterskoj komunikaciji.
Budući da se instalira uz Dos, može ga imati svako na svojoj mašini.
Harverski zahtevi za ovu 1.0.1 distribuciju: 386 ili jači racunar, 20-ak
Mb slobodnog prostora na hard disku. (Verzija sa kernelom za SCSI
diskove biće uskoro u distribuciji, pod oznakom 1.0.2).
Instalacija je maksimalno pojednostavljena i svodi se na deARJiviranje.
Distribucija se zasniva na tzv. UMSDOS fajl-sistemu. Ukratko, to je
sistem koji omogućuje instaliranje i korišćenje Linuxa na Dosovim (FAT)
particijama. Potrebno je skinuti svih 6 .00x datoteka (ili presnimiti 3
diskete od 1.44 Mb), otvoriti na ma kojoj Dosovoj particiji na kojoj ima
20-ak Mb slobodnog prostora neki direktorijum (recimo \YUCCA-L), i onda
dearhivirati fajlove ARJ programom:
"ARJ x -y L10YUCCA.00x \YUCCA-L" (x je broj od 1 do 3 ili 6)
Yucca-Linux će biti instaliran u pomenutom direktorijumu (i drugima
ispod njega); on NEĆE nigde drugde na disku NIŠTA ubaciti niti beležiti,
osim na tom mestu, tako da je instalacija bezbedna po ostale programe i
instalacije. Iako se iz Dosa vide njegovi katalozi i datoteke, ne treba
njima manipulisati iz Dosa, već iz samog Linuxa. Ostale particije (DOS i
HPFS), kao i drugi Unixovi fajlsistemi mogu biti vidljivi iz ovog
Linuxa. U Linux se potom ulazi najpre prebacivanjem u njegov osnovni
direktorijum ("cd \yucca-l"), pa naredbom za pokretanje op. sistema Linux
sa parametrom u kojem je oznaka drajva (npr. "linux d:"). Linux.bat se
može i promeniti tako da odgovara instalaciji (zamenom %1 oznakom diska).
Na istom računaru, pa i na istoj particiji, možete imati i više
instalacija ovog Linuxa. On se uklanja jednostavnim brisanjem iz Dosa
(recimo jednim Dosovim "deltree /y \yucca-l").
Već instalirani yucca-Linux može se takođe sačuvati u arhiviranom
obliku programom ARJ iz direktorijuma yucca-Linuxa.
"ARJ a -r -jm -va a:mojlinux" (na diskete)
ili:
"ARJ a -r -jm mojlinux" (u fajl na hard disku).
Uobičajeno upozorenje glasi da autor nije odgovaran za svaku štetu
nastalu prilikom korišćenja ove distribucije itd. itd. Preporučuje se (u
skladu s ovim upozorenjem) prethodni bekap (autor ga ne praktikuje, ali
ga savetuje, naročito onima koji po prvi sedaju za Linux).
(v. i sledeću poruku)
unix.197novim,
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
(v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.002 (729,519) f. 2/6)
Šta sve sadrži ovaj osnovni (1.0) deo yucca-Linuxa? On sadrži osnovne
programe potrebne za rad i administriranje samog operativnog sistema,
kao i neke dodatke koji treba da olakšaju te poslove.
Verzija kernela je jedna od trenutno najnovijih (1.2.0). Kao shell
postavljen je bash. Direktorijumi /bin, /sbin, i drugi "binarni"
direktorijumi sadrže skoro sve što se može naći i u drugim
distribucijama. Takođe su tu i pomoćni falovi (man pages za većinu
osnovnih operacija). Ostavljena je osnovna podrška za mrežni deo (osim
uucp grupe programa, koja će biti na 4. disketi ove distribucije); tu je
i komunikacioni program minicom, kao i lynx, www browser. Za lakše
snalaženje dodat je mouseless commander (klon norton commandera) - nc.
Ostavljena je podrška za ext2, hpfs, msdos, umsdos, xiafs, minix
fajl-sisteme. Dodat je program splitvt za otvaranje prozora na
terminalu. Tu su i programi za administriranje korisnika (adduser i
ostali). Takođe su tu i brojni ekranski fontovi, medju njima i
"yuscii", kao i par primera za raspored tastature; kao osnovna
postavljena je yu-tastatura (prelaz na američku ascii je moguć u svako
doba komandom "us"). U sledećim verzijama biće podržana i CP 852
(tastatura i ekranski fontovi sa yu latiničnim slovima). Za rad sa
disketama i Dosovim uređajima tu je mtools paket ("mcopy fajl a:"
kopiraće fajl na disketu; tu su i "mdel", "mdir" itd.). Od editora je
pored diljem kugle omiljenog vi-ja još i joe (Dosoliki ili word-star)
editor, koji je svuda, pa i u elm-u (mailer) postavljen kao osnovni.
Virtualna (swap) memorija se može dodati u toku rada sledećim postupkom:
"dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count=4096"
"mkswap swapfile 4096"
"sync"
"swapon swapfile"
Time smo fizičkom RAM-u dodali još 4Mb (4096 Kb) virtualne memorije,
tako da ih kernel vidi zajedno. Isključuje se naredbom "swapoff"; posle
toga swapfile se može i obrisati ("rm swapfile").
Ostale Linuxove aplikacije mogu se uvek dodati, sa diskete ili
hard-diska programom pkgtool.
Ova verzija ne sadrži X windows. X windows se mogu dodati naknadno.
Od igara su tu tetris i sokoban. Zmodem (rz, sz) radi, kao i kermit.
Minicom treba konfigurisati (iz njega samog, bez problema).
(v. i sledeću poruku)
unix.198novim,
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
(v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.003 (729,500) f. 3/6)
Ova verzija sadrži već u sebi DosEmulator - interfejs za pokretanje Dos
programa na jednom ili više terminala pod Linuxom. DosEmulator (dosemu,
pokreće se naredbom "dos") nije emulator u pravom smislu, budući da se
oslanja na verziju Dosa koju već imate na računaru (na C particiji). Sa
njim se mogu pokrenuti skoro svi Dos programi (osim Windowsa).
DosEmulator je već prekonfigurisan, tako da će u verovatno najvećem
broju slučajeva odmah proraditi. Ipak, ako ne radi, treba pogledati
/etc/dosemu.conf fajl, i tamo zadati odgovarajuće vrednosti. U prvom
redu, to važi za odredjivanje particije na kojoj je Dos (C particije).
Najpre komandom "fdisk -l" (malo slovo L, a ne broj jedan) pogledajte
raspored particija na računaru i pronađite, bilo po veličini, bilo po
drugoj oznaci, C particiju. Ona može biti "/dev/hda3", na primer (fajl
je početno konfigurisan za "/dev/hda2"). Nađite red u kojem stoji
oznaka za C particiju (piše na našem jeziku u fajlu gde je to) i umesto
"/dev/hda2" stavite "/dev/hda3"). Snimite u joe-tu (Ctr-K X) fajl. Sada
uradite sledeće:
"cd /var/lib/dosemu"
"/usr/lib/dosemu/mkpartition /dev/hda 3"
Nakon toga pokrenite ponovo DosEmulator ("dos"). - Takođe možete u
fajlu /etc/dosemu.conf zadati vrednosti za svoju video-kartu, miša,
modem, itd. Proučite ovaj /etc/dosemu.conf fajl, iako je najverovatnije
da će sve raditi i bez prethodnih izmena.
Pošto ste ušli u Dos, na C particiji otvorite neki \dosemu katalog i u
njega prekopirajte fajlove koji se nalaze u /root/DosEmuUtils dir-u; to
su programi za Dos pod DosEmulacijom ("exitemu.com" za izlaz iz
emulacije, "lredir.exe" za remapiranje ostalih Dos particija, itd.) Iz
DosEmulacije možete uvek izaći i brzim Ctrl-Alt-PgDn.
Možete pokrenuti više DosEmulacija i tako imati multitasking sa Dosom.
Da bi ostale Dosove (FAT) ili OS/2 (HPFS) particije bile vidljive iz
Linuxa, treba ih prijaviti sistemu u /etc/fstab fajlu (tamo već ima
primera). Pogledajte i ostale /etc fajlove.
(v. i sledeću poruku)
unix.199novim,
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.004 (729,512) f. 4/6
U Linux ćete ući tako što ćete se prijaviti kao "root". Sa Alt-Fn
dobijate ostale terminale. "Root" je na početku jedini korisnik, i nema
password. Nove korisnike dodajete naredbom "useradd". Potrebno je pri
otvaranju uneti neku lozinku, a ona se potom može ukloniti iz fajla
/etc/passwd (ako ste sami korisnik na svom računaru, lozinka vam
verovatno neće biti potrebna). Evo primera istog korisnika iz tog fajla:
"mika:cAfGXbacN:101:101:users:/home/mika" (lozinka je šifrovana)
---------
"mika::101:101:users:/home/mika" (lozinka je izbrisana).
Iz DosEmulatora prelazite na ostale terminale sa Ctrl-Alt-Fn.
Ono što je config.sys za Dos to su u Linuxu otprilike /etc/ fajlovi
(naročito profile). Ono što je tamo autoexec.bat, to su ovde fajlovi u
dir-u /etc/rc.d/ - pogledajte ih i podesite sistem za svoje potrebe.
Linux napuštate na više načina; slobodno možete resovati mašinu jednim
Ctrl-Alt-Del; možete je zaustaviti jednim "halt" ili "shutdown -h now"
kao i na druge načine. Svi su dobri osim tzv. hard-reseta (na dugme).
(v. i sledeću poruku)
unix.200novim,
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
(v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.005 (729,465) f. 5/6)
Već je rečeno da je ova distribucija namenjena uglavnom početnicima na
Unixu (mada ne samo njima). U distribuciji na disketama nalazi se i
GUIDE_LI.ZIP fajl - "Linux Guide for Absolute Beginners". Taj se fajl
može naci i ovde, na Sezamu, u U:\UNIX direktorijumu. Pogledajte ga.
Dokumentacije za Linux ima mnogo. Detaljne info fajlove i uputstva za
razne aspekte sistema, kao i za njegove programe, možete naći na više
mesta (Hobbiton je jedno od najboljih za Linux korisnike), kao i na
disketama I i F serije iz Slackware distribucije ("velikog" Linuxa).
Možete ih dodati svojoj instalaciji programom pkgtool, kao što time
možete dodati i mnoge druge programe za Linux.
Od knjiga, dobro vam može doći svaka knjiga za Unix. "Računari" su
objavili i niz nastavaka "Škole Unixa" Paje Pekoviđa. Na Sezamu postoji
i tema za Unix, kao i niz Usenet objašnjenja na Ubbg-u. Linux nastoji da
poštuje tzv. Posix standard za Unix, i u tome uglavnom uspeva.
(v. i sledeću poruku)
unix.201novim,
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
(v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.006 (684,796) f. 6/6)
Specifični hardverski zahtevi (CD, streamer, itd.) uglavnom se rešavaju
na Linuxu tako što se izvornom kodu kernela doda neka od "zakrpa"
(patch), a onda se on mora prekompajlirati; potom se Linux pokreće sa
tim novim kernelom (jezgrom sistema). Linux može imati više kernela, pa
je preporučljivo uvek imati u rezervi i onaj koji pouzdano radi.
Da bi se nov kernel kompajlirao, potrebno je, uz njegov source, imati i
kompajler (GNU C), biblioteke za kompajler, kao i neke od pomoćnih
alatki za tu svrhu.
YUCCA distribucija Linuxa će dodati gcc, biblioteke, alatke i izvorni
kod kernela u jednoj od sledećih verzija. To je obimniji deo posla (i
zahtevaće više disketa), pa će biti završen tek za koju nedelju.
Prva sledeća verzija biće sa kernelom koji podržava SCSI diskove (nosiće
naziv 1.0.2), a onda će doći 4-a disketa (verzija 1.1.1) na kojoj će
biti dodati programi i konfiguracije za povezivanje u mreže, uucp pre
svega. Sa tom, 4-om disketom, yucca-Linux će biti uglavnom potpun za
osnovno korišćenje u komunikaciji sa drugim računarima. Nastojaćemo da
najveći deo opcija takođe prekonfigurišemo, tako da olakšamo sve
procedure; za to nam je, pak, potrebno izvesno vreme za testiranje.
Ova verzija je testirana na više mašina, ali je moguće da neće na svima
podjednako raditi. Njen autor stoga moli sve korisnike da mu jave svoja
iskustva (vezana za ovu distribuciju), uz osnovne podatke o svom
hardveru i eventualnim problemima, na neku od sledećih e-mail adresa:
novim@sezam.co.yu
novim@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu
emilicn@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
O napredovanju rada na distribuciji i ostalim pitanjima vezanim za nju
bićete na vreme obaveštavani. Biću zahvalan za svaku korisnu sugestiju.
I na kraju (ili na početku?):
- happy linuxing :-)
-----
Off-the-office: pozdrav jujusipijevski svima koji su mi pomogli - najpre
majstorima: .Bale.tu (sada u SAD) za prve korake na Unixu, Saletu (nemo,
u Kanadi) za razne e-mail čarolije, Dragishi koji me je prvi zarazio
Linuxom, Radetu+, Malishi i Saletu Petroviću koji brinu oko Juke...
Otvorena je grupa yucca-l za sve one koji su voljni da pomognu razvoj
YUCCA distribucije Linuxa. - Pozdrav i Maksi: već si u grupi. ;)
unix.202postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: lynx i httpd
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 07:35:58 GMT
Pozdrav...
Pitalica broj 237235 :)
Dakle, uzeo sam bin-ove od httpd-a i lynxa. Namestio (rogobatno zvuci, ko
neki majstor:) httpd, napravio neki "probni" default.html, namestio lynx,
u config file sredio, i kao startfile stavio:
STARTFILE:http://bolex/default.html
I od svega sto dobijem kada pustim lynx to je ovo:
Getting http://bolex/default.html
Opening TERM connection to bolex:80.Connect: Invalid argument
I ispadne napolje i ja se nadjem u cudu:) Sta mu je pa sad?...
Pozdrav!
unix.204postmast,
From: broker@setnet.co.yu (Predrag Supurovic)
Subject: mini linux
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:38:43
/* >Kome mogu da poslajem diskete za Mini Linux?
/* >Hteo bih da probam tu stvar a za razliku od pravog, ovo ima hardverske
/* >zahteve koje mogu da prihvatim.
SB> He, He...:) Doshla maca na vratanca.:))) Tako treba.:))
SB> Elem, probaj preko brata svratiti na UBBG. Vec sam tamo podelio
SB> mL na 4 dela po 1440k....
Neka hvala, radije bih da posaljem diskete. :)
Telefonske linije mi bas nisu pogodne za 14400.
... U je*ote... od ovoga moze da se rikne...
* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
unix.205postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: GNU Pascal
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:15:34 GMT
Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Bosko Radivojevic wrote:
-> : Namestio sam danas GPC i lepo radi.. ali posto sam do pre 6 meseci radi na
-> : Turbo Pasaclu nisam "osecao" mnoge stvari. Recimo, kako da otvaram neke
-> Evo i ja da se pridruzim ovoj molbi. Konktretno: ima li igde
-> dokumentacije za GPC. Dovoljan bi bio i spisak funkcija i procedura koje
-> podrzava (sa odgovarajucim parametrima).
Sve sto sam nasao za Pascal je u /pub/Languages/Pascal. Jel' ste pogledali
tamo?
unix.206postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Linux Kernel.
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:30:48 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Izasao je novi kernel 1.2.4 koji za sada radi perfektno CAK i kod
-> mene.Izgleda da mu je malo prepravljen rad sa NFS-om i mrezom.
-> Jos nije pao, a izgleda da i ne misli..(kuc kuc kuc).
14. april, a on jos nov. Idi bre... Najnoviji je 1.2.5, od 12. aprila :).
Kakav rad sa NFSom i mrezom? Zar nisi NFS ufiksao ubacivanjem numericke
adrese za Orla? Sto se tice mreze, zadnji moji problemi (HTTP konekcije koje
umiru na pola) nestali su sa 1.1.83 kernelom.
Kernel 1.2.0 i 1.2.3 rade kod mene skoro mjesec i po, besprekorno. Doduse,
meni je radila i gomila 1.1.7x, 1.1.8x, 1.1.9x, pa i nisam neki pokazatelj
:))
unix.207postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:33:19 GMT
Vladimir Kukuruzovic (kuki@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> > Isti slucaj i kod mene, skinuo sam ga sa UBBG-a (4 .arj fajla),
-> > instalacija je prosla OK, sve sljaka osmim X-Win-a, simptomi isti,
-> > ima li nekog da mu radi, zna li neko u cemu je fora?
-> > Cim pipnem misa kurzor ode u donji levi kut i pomaze samo reset!
-> uh, kolko ja znam, reset tu nije neophodan, valjda je dosta jedno
-> ctrl-altf1-7 :) da predes u drugu konzolu, i onda otalen ubijes xwin, ili
-> predes BAS na konzolu sa koje si startovao xwin i tamo lupis ctrl-c :) A
Ctrl-alt-backspace killuje X.
unix.208postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:34:23 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Iznenadenje je da je na te tri diskete stao ne samo ceo mL, sa jednim
-> od najnovijih kernela (uz nc, splitvt, etc.), vec i - DosEmulator. :)
Koji je smisao DosEmu-a na distribuciji/instalaciji kakva je Mini Linux
?:)
unix.209postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:24:34 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
-> Pitalica broj 237235 :)
-> Dakle, uzeo sam bin-ove od httpd-a i lynxa. Namestio (rogobatno zvuci, ko
-> neki majstor:) httpd, napravio neki "probni" default.html, namestio lynx,
-> u config file sredio, i kao startfile stavio:
-> STARTFILE:http://bolex/default.html
-> I od svega sto dobijem kada pustim lynx to je ovo:
-> Getting http://bolex/default.html
-> Opening TERM connection to bolex:80.Connect: Invalid argument
Uzeo si term binary za lynx... :) Malo rogobatno napravljen, forsira term.
Sad cu da ga obrisem, ionako samo zbunjuje ljude, a ti uzmi `which lynx`.
unix.210postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Linux Kernel.
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:36:32 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: 14. april, a on jos nov. Idi bre... Najnoviji je 1.2.5, od 12. aprila :).
Posto se ovaj pokazao stabilnim u svakoj perverziji cu ostanem na
njemu..:)
: Kakav rad sa NFSom i mrezom? Zar nisi NFS ufiksao ubacivanjem numericke
: adrese za Orla? Sto se tice mreze, zadnji moji problemi (HTTP konekcije koje
: umiru na pola) nestali su sa 1.1.83 kernelom.
Da ni meni se to vise ne javlja..a ni masina ne puca vise ako je dignut
NFS klijent i ako sa masine na kojoj se NFS-ujem, ftp-ujem 15Mb podataka
opet na disk koji je na NFS-ovanoj masini....Sve u svemu za one koji
su shvatili prethodnu recenicu Ovo radi bez problema.
Pozdrav,
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.211postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 20:50:39 GMT
-=> bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu napisa:
> Pitalica broj 237235 :)
.
.
> I ispadne napolje i ja se nadjem u cudu:) Sta mu je pa sad?...
.. Brr:) Resio sam, ustvari uzeo sam lynx koji radi preko term-a, i
logicno da nije imao gde da se zakaci.. :) Sada sve radi.. vrlo lepo!
Pozdrav!
unix.212postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Re: GNU Pascal
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 20:24:41 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric wrote:
: Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: -> dokumentacije za GPC. Dovoljan bi bio i spisak funkcija i procedura koje
: -> podrzava (sa odgovarajucim parametrima).
: Sve sto sam nasao za Pascal je u /pub/Languages/Pascal. Jel' ste pogledali
: tamo?
Sve sto sam tu nasao sam skinuo, ali od dokumentacije ima samo sturo
uputsvo sa razlikama izmedju standardnog pasacla, extended pascala i ovog
GPC-a. Doduse to je dovoljno nekom ko ima standarde (specifikacije i za
standardni i extended), ali meni ne pomaze mnogo. Cak ni man-page sa
switch-evima GPC kompajlera ne postoji. U svakom slucaju: tebi hvala i za
ovo sto si pronasao, a Bole tebi i meni preostaje da se snalazimo kako znamo
i umemo bez dokumentacije.
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.213postmast,
From: vasa@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksander Vasiljevic)
Subject: Re: Pine
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:19:58 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
-> Ali mi treba kako da DEMIMEJUJEM :)
Kao sto sam rekao, udjes u pine, i probas tamo nesto pod 'view folder' ili
tako nesto, zaboravio sam...ne volim pine...Uostalom, najlakse (i najvise)
se nauci kad sam isprobavas, zar ne?
Vasa
--
Vasiljevic Aleksander*student*Jovana Rajica 5-b,11000 BG,YU*(+38111)407085
(vasa@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu)(vasa@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu)(vasa@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu)
unix.214postmast,
From: viktor@osmeh (Viktor Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 18:01:41 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Linux - YUCCA distribucija
: --------------------------
: (v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.003 (729,500) f. 3/6)
: Ova verzija sadrzi vec u sebi DosEmulator - interfejs za pokretanje Dos
: programa na jednom ili vise terminala pod Linuxom. DosEmulator (dosemu,
: pokrece se naredbom "dos") nije emulator u pravom smislu, buduci da se
: oslanja na verziju Dosa koju vec imate na racunaru (na C particiji). Sa
: njim se mogu pokrenuti skoro svi Dos programi (osim Windowsa).
: DosEmulator je vec prekonfigurisan, tako da ce u verovatno najvecem
: broju slucajeva odmah proraditi. Ipak, ako ne radi, treba pogledati
: /etc/dosemu.conf fajl, i tamo zadati odgovarajuce vrednosti. U prvom
: redu, to vazi za odredjivanje particije na kojoj je Dos (C particije).
: Najpre komandom "fdisk -l" (malo slovo L, a ne broj jedan) pogledajte
: raspored particija na racunaru i pronadite, bilo po velicini, bilo po
: drugoj oznaci, C particiju. Ona moze biti "/dev/hda3", na primer (fajl
: je pocetno konfigurisan za "/dev/hda2"). Nadite red u kojem stoji
: oznaka za C particiju (pise na nasem jeziku u fajlu gde je to) i umesto
: "/dev/hda2" stavite "/dev/hda3"). Snimite u joe-tu (Ctr-K X) fajl. Sada
: uradite sledece:
: "cd /var/lib/dosemu"
: "/usr/lib/dosemu/mkpartition /dev/hda 3"
: Nakon toga pokrenite ponovo DosEmulator ("dos"). - Takode mozete u
: fajlu /etc/dosemu.conf zadati vrednosti za svoju video-kartu, misa,
: modem, itd. Proucite ovaj /etc/dosemu.conf fajl, iako je najverovatnije
: da ce sve raditi i bez prethodnih izmena.
: Posto ste usli u Dos, na C particiji otvorite neki \dosemu katalog i u
: njega prekopirajte fajlove koji se nalaze u /root/DosEmuUtils dir-u; to
: su programi za Dos pod DosEmulacijom ("exitemu.com" za izlaz iz
: emulacije, "lredir.exe" za remapiranje ostalih Dos particija, itd.) Iz
: DosEmulacije mozete uvek izaci i brzim Ctrl-Alt-PgDn.
: Mozete pokrenuti vise DosEmulacija i tako imati multitasking sa Dosom.
: Da bi ostale Dosove (FAT) ili OS/2 (HPFS) particije bile vidljive iz
: Linuxa, treba ih prijaviti sistemu u /etc/fstab fajlu (tamo vec ima
: primera). Pogledajte i ostale /etc fajlove.
: (v. i sledecu poruku)
unix.215postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 21:18:43 GMT
-=> dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU napisa:
> Uzeo si term binary za lynx... :) Malo rogobatno napravljen, forsira term.
> Sad cu da ga obrisem, ionako samo zbunjuje ljude, a ti uzmi `which lynx`.
Zbunjuje, zbunjuje, ali je haos! Evo danas sam prosao po svim WWW
serverima zahvaljujci njemu! Dobar je mali.. :)
Ps. Kada sam kod sebe iskompajlirao lynx ispao je 900 kb!! Dok je tvoj, 300.
Cudno, ali radi. E, mnogo mi je spor nesto. Ne lynx nego kada izaberem neki
file ucitava po 4k i to ko na 1200. Polaaako fajl od 50kb ucitava 5-6
minuta.
Pozdrav!
unix.216postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: Hederi...
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 23:59:12 GMT
Djdule (djdule@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: Ako trazis Xm dir to su ti u svari fajlovi za Motif, so moras da nabavis
: Motif. Ja ga za linux imam, a kolko znam i Ultrix radi na motifu znaci da
: mora da ima i tamo. A ako je taj Xd onda boga pitaj sta je to ;)
Setio sam se toga u medjuvremenu ali na "nasem" Ultrix-u nema instaliran
Motif. Da li je na ETF-u instaliran (DEC Station 3100)?
--
Sve je kasnije nego sto mislite
unix.217postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 00:51:19 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Uobicajeno upozorenje glasi da autor nije odgovaran za svaku stetu
^^^^ ^^^^
Dakle autor izjavljuje da JESTE odgovoran za NEKE STETE :-))))
Moze li preciznije - koje? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
unix.218postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Hederi...
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 01:46:38 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
: Setio sam se toga u medjuvremenu ali na "nasem" Ultrix-u nema instaliran
: Motif. Da li je na ETF-u instaliran (DEC Station 3100)?
Na ETF-u je instaliran na orlu (DECStation 5000/120).
Naravno Motif je instaliran i na svakoj SCO masini,
a bogami i na galebu (PC-AT Linux).Toliko.....
Sada jedno pitanjce za dragishu....Naime imam instaliran
Motif 2.0, ali ne mogu da ga startujem jer javlja sledece.
-------
mwm: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'
Desire minor version >= 6 and found 5
-------
E sad...treba mi znaci revision 6...jel ima to neko.
A ako nema jel zna gde se more naci.:)
Pozdrav,
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.219postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Hederi...
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 03:19:07 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Sada jedno pitanjce za dragishu....Naime imam instaliran
: Motif 2.0, ali ne mogu da ga startujem jer javlja sledece.
: E sad...treba mi znaci revision 6...jel ima to neko.
: A ako nema jel zna gde se more naci.:)
Da se nadovezem sam na sebe:))) Vako.
Uspeo sam negde da iskopam libc-4.6.20 i sve ostale libove
4.6.20 i instalirah to na masinu ukljucujuci sa gcc-om 2.6.2
jer tako pisase:))
Masina radi ko i pre...Sretan ja nema sta:) Jedva docekah da
pokrenem Motif 2.0 da vidim sta se desava.Cekam ja cekam,cekam
,cekam,cekam,cekam, procesor urlice,ja cekam,cekam itd.
Prosto receno procesor crkava ali od Motifa jos uvek nista.:((
I na kraju ctrl-alt-backspace..spasonosni izlazak iz Windowsa..
Pitanje: Da li je 386DX/40 stvarno tako spor da ne moze da opsluzi
Motif 2.0 ili nesto drugo nije u redu??
Inace X-windowsi rade normalno sa ostalim managerima.
pozdrav,
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.220novim,
" From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
" : Uobicajeno upozorenje glasi da autor nije odgovaran za svaku stetu
" Dakle autor izjavljuje da JESTE odgovoran za NEKE STETE :-))))
" Moze li preciznije - koje? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Samo za one nastale preteranim trošenjem vremena uz Linux, a od toga
samo za ženske osobe kojima tu štetu mogu da nadoknadim neposrednom
razmenom vremena, uz uslove koji će se dalje precizirati usmenim
putem i lično. :)))
Ps: treba da stoji "nije odgovoran ni za kakvu štetu", pa neka ovo
bude ispravka, ako je to uopšte važno.
unix.221ppekovic,
>> 2200. godina, Beograd, ja imam iznajmljenu liniju sa Internet
>> providerom:) I naravno, hocu da teram PPP. Kako onda izgleda
>> chat script? Tj. kako modemu da objasnim da ne vrti, nego da
>> samo posalje carrier, ili kako to vec ide sa iznjamljenim
>> linijama..
Onda ti je lakše da poteraš SLIP.
Paya
unix.222kuki,
> From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
> Ctrl-alt-backspace killuje X.
da sam juče umro, ovo ne bi znao :) hvala na hintu :)))
unix.223smarkov,
> Da li neko zna gde mogu da se nadju hederi iz Xm direktorijuma?
> Naime mnogi programi (X-Win) traze hedere iz tog dir-a (ili bese Xd ;)
> hedere nisam nasao ni pod Linux-om ni pod DEC Ultrix-om. Mosaic ih
> posebno preferira :))
Kod neke firme koja prodaje Motif :). Xm su header-i Motif-a i nema
ih u PD distribucijama. Na ULTRIX-u očigledno nije instaliran (Motif).
unix.224smarkov,
> Sada jedno pitanjce za dragishu....Naime imam instaliran
> Motif 2.0, ali ne mogu da ga startujem jer javlja sledece.
Ne startuje se Motif, nego Motif Window Manager. To je kao
da napišeš startovao sam "Run Time Library" ;).
unix.225novim,
" Koji je smisao DosEmu-a na distribuciji/instalaciji kakva je Mini Linux
" ?:)
Da gosn Juzer potera Telemejt. Ili da ima multitasking Dos. Itd. Da se
što manje muči s DosEmulatorom (inače bi morao i imati kompajler, i
source...)
Ovaj yucca-mL je pre svega za Dos korisnike, pa je to bio glavni
razlog (a bilo je mesta, kao i mogućnosti s novim kernelom 1.2.0).
Smatrao sam da je ovako sve lakše i da treba neka nadoknada za
"sklonjeni" X-win.
unix.226petrovics,
Imamo jedan problem sa SCO UNIX-om 3.2.4 pa se nadamo da ce ovde
biti resen ;).
Na nekoliko terminala imamo vezane lokalne stampace. Pri
stampanju uz pomoc komande "lprint" odziv traje previse dugo
(6-7 sec.) a posle toga stampa ide normalno.
Postoji li nacin da se skrati ovo vreme (od zadavanja komande
lprint do pocetka stampe)
P.S. Prihvatljivo je bilo koje resenje koje daje "trenutnu"
stampu na lokalnom stampacu (ne mora sa lprint).
unix.227petrovics,
Moze li neko da nam kaze koji CD ROM dostupan na nasem trzistu
moze da radi sa SCO UNIX-om i koji model se preporucuje ?
unix.228mkaralic,
> Linux - YUCCA distribucija
Pozdrav svim Nišlijama, a ujedno i poziv da mi se jave, kako bi
organizovali Download ovih 6 arhiva.
Ko je zainteresovan, neka mi ostavi mail, a kada nas bude dovoljno,
rasporedićemo ko će koju (arhivu da pokupi). Dakle, akcija!
Možete me zvati i telefonom, čiji je broj: (018) 55-080.
P.S. Da li na SEZAM-u postoje veće brzine od 2400bps?
Pozdrav // Mik !!!
unix.229ppekovic,
>> Moze li neko da nam kaze koji CD ROM dostupan na nasem trzistu
>> moze da radi sa SCO UNIX-om i koji model se preporucuje ?
Svi SCSI modeli i ni jedan drugi.
Paya
unix.230mkaralic,
Pozdrav!
Pre par poruka, razmišljao sam da izvršimo DL mini Linux-a.
Međutim, pošto imam onu prvobitnu verziju od 4 diskete, da li je moguće
da od nje, uz neki update načinim YUCCA distribuciju (ili nešto isto po
sadržaju)? Ako je sve to moguće, bilo bi lepo da se taj update nađe na
SEZAM-u, a bilo bi carski i kada bi uz njega išao i neki .DOC sa
objašnjenjem kako da uklonimo X-Windows (šta da radim kad' sam početnik
u Linux-u :) i još neke stvari koje bi bile zemenjene. Dakle, arhiva sa
novim fajlovima i uputstvo u kome piše šta sve treba obrisati iz
prvobitne instalacije.
Unapred Hvala!
Pozdrav // Mik !!!
unix.231novim,
"> Linux - YUCCA distribucija
" Pozdrav svim Nišlijama, a ujedno i poziv da mi se jave, kako bi
" organizovali Download ovih 6 arhiva.
" P.S. Da li na SEZAM-u postoje veće brzine od 2400bps?
Problem je to (oko 4,2 MB) prebaciti na 2400 bps. Ovih dana ću videti
da li su operateri mreže raspoloženi da se YUCCA distribucija prebaci
na neki brži čvor na Beonetu.
Dotle, i budući da je Niš u pitanju (tj. skupi impulsi), probaj da se
organizuješ s ljudima, ali NEMOJTE podizati sa Sezama, već ćemo se
dogovoriti da sa moje mašine (na 14400) to cimnete za kraće vreme.
Ako neko ima (iz unutrašnjosti) sličan problem neka mi se javi (za Bgd
ne važi, njima je lako).
unix.232vlad,
> se organizuješ s ljudima, ali NEMOJTE podizati sa Sezama, već ćemo
> se dogovoriti da sa moje mašine (na 14400) to cimnete za kraće
> vreme.
>
> Ako neko ima (iz unutrašnjosti) sličan problem neka mi se javi (za
> Bgd ne važi, njima je lako).
Mogu da se jave i meni. Taman da mi testiraju BBS B).
unix.233petrovics,
>> >> Moze li neko da nam kaze koji CD ROM dostupan na nasem trzistu
>> >> moze da radi sa SCO UNIX-om i koji model se preporucuje ?
>>
>> Svi SCSI modeli i ni jedan drugi.
Hvala na odgovoru. Ja sam se nadao da ce moci da prodju CD
ROM-ovi koji se povezuju preko IDE kontrolera, kad ono ne gine
SCSI :(.
unix.234novim,
" Međutim, pošto imam onu prvobitnu verziju od 4 diskete, da li je moguće
" da od nje, uz neki update načinim YUCCA distribuciju
Uh, to bi bilo dosta posla, a nisam siguran da će kombinacija valjati.
YUCCA-Linux je u mnogim stvarima noviji, tako da bi zamena bila preko
dve trećine (ako ne i više). Ne isplati se ni s jedne strane.
Ma najbolje je nekako cimnuti ceo ovaj prvi deo nekim brzim modemom.
Za koji dan će biti na ETF-u na nekom ftp-iju. Biće i u B92 već od
sutra popodne. Zamoliću Payu da stavi i na FFS (FON), ako ima mesta.
Biće i drugde.
Međutim, ko god mi se javi u mail da mu treba, pa dogovorimo vreme
(uveče i noću, kad je jeftinija tarifa), moći će da me zivne modemom
pa da na 14400 skine to. Ne samo da ćemo tako manje opteretiti već
ionako preopterećene brojeve ETF-a i FON-a (što nije bez značaja), već
mi nekako izgleda sasvim u skladu s idejom Jukinog mL-a da to delimo
ovako, sami. :)
Naime:
if
imamo kompjutere,
imamo modeme,
imamo telefonske veze (kuc, kuc, da ne čuje pititi :))
then
ne vidim zašto se ne bismo to povezali.
Barem za ovu priliku. :)
unix.235postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 05:54:11 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
-> Ps. Kada sam kod sebe iskompajlirao lynx ispao je 900 kb!! Dok je tvoj, 300.
To moze da budu razlika izmedju statickog/dinamickog linkovanja, ili to
sto nisi strip-ovao binary. Osim toga, fino sam ti rekao da uzmes
/usr/local/bin/lynx :).
-> Cudno, ali radi. E, mnogo mi je spor nesto. Ne lynx nego kada izaberem neki
-> file ucitava po 4k i to ko na 1200. Polaaako fajl od 50kb ucitava 5-6
-> minuta.
Nisam mnogo provjeravao, ali mislim da je u pitanju opterecenje masine pri
kome httpd skonta da bi bio red da on sam ne doprinosi guzvi previse, pa se
uspori.
unix.236postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Amipro 2.0 under Dosemu0.6
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 06:28:12 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.development.apps ]
[ Author was Uli Uphoff (hj000up@fire4-bb.uni-duisburg.de) ]
[ Posted on 11 Apr 1995 06:57:58 GMT ]
Hi all,
no, this is not one of those questions: "Why doesn't Amipro run under Dosemu".
It already works!!!
It works with
Linux1.2.4
Dosemu0.60
Windose 3.1 (os2kernel),
Standard VGA mode using
S3 adaptor.
I installed it completly under Dosemu and it runs acceptably fast.
The only problem I encountered is that after leaving Amipro win31 hangs.
A "top" in another virtual console reported a horrible amount of memeory
for dosemu.
Thanks to the Dosemu Team -> Go for it!!!
Uli
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unix.237postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Hederi...
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 06:42:40 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Sada jedno pitanjce za dragishu....Naime imam instaliran
-> Motif 2.0, ali ne mogu da ga startujem jer javlja sledece.
-> -------
-> mwm: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'
-> Desire minor version >= 6 and found 5
-> -------
-> E sad...treba mi znaci revision 6...jel ima to neko.
-> A ako nema jel zna gde se more naci.:)
Ja koristim 4.6.27, i ima ga kod mene u /pub/GCC/4.6.27. Slucajno sam
online na fon bas sada, i upravo krece upload tog dira. Bice na
file://osmeh/~dragisha/public/4.6.27 prije nego ova poruka dodje do fona :).
unix.238postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.4
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 21:54:48 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
: Da li neko u yu poseduje diskete ili CD sa instalacijom Solaris 2.4.
: Dolaze u obzir i nize verzije ;) Naravno za Intel procesore.
Mislim da ljudi iz Sage imaju bash to, ali nisam siguran. Dakle, daj im
poziv (give them a call) :).
Poz.
Rade
P.S. Pretpostavljam da ce do sajma sigurno imati...
unix.239postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: POSTGRES
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 21:57:33 GMT
Tihomir Pelic (tiho@fon) wrote:
: Gordan Grebovic (grebov@fon) wrote:
: : Da li je neko uspesno instalirao POSTGRES na Linux?
: Ja... Sledis README i sljaka ko ludo...
Na sta lici POSTGRES? (Doduse, na sta lice free RDBM Sistemi za Unixe
uopste?)
Rade
unix.240postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 22:01:09 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Bosko Radivojevic (bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu) wrote:
: -> Pitalica broj 237235 :)
: -> Dakle, uzeo sam bin-ove od httpd-a i lynxa. Namestio (rogobatno zvuci, ko
: -> neki majstor:) httpd, napravio neki "probni" default.html, namestio lynx,
: -> u config file sredio, i kao startfile stavio:
: -> STARTFILE:http://bolex/default.html
: -> I od svega sto dobijem kada pustim lynx to je ovo:
: -> Getting http://bolex/default.html
: -> Opening TERM connection to bolex:80.Connect: Invalid argument
: Uzeo si term binary za lynx... :) Malo rogobatno napravljen, forsira term.
: Sad cu da ga obrisem, ionako samo zbunjuje ljude, a ti uzmi `which lynx`.
Nema veze sa temom, ali...
Bole, care, nameravas li ti ovog Dragishu ovde da castis prvom prilikom
kad se pojavi u BG-u? U Vinci bi ti za kurs Linuxa (da ga imaju) sigurno uzeli
oko 200-300 dinara... :))))
Rade
unix.241postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:43:52 GMT
Zarko Berberski (zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: : Uobicajeno upozorenje glasi da autor nije odgovaran za svaku stetu
: ^^^^ ^^^^
: Dakle autor izjavljuje da JESTE odgovoran za NEKE STETE :-))))
: Moze li preciznije - koje? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Cekaj, kako si to formalno matematicki dosao do jeste/neke od nije/svaku ?
unix.242postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:45:25 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Linux - YUCCA distribucija
: --------------------------
: (v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.001 (729,458) f. 1/6)
: Linux je Unix operativni sistem, pripada slobodnom sofveru, i delo je
: stotina, hiljada ljudi sa celog Interneta. To je visekorisnicki sistem,
: sa mogucnostima multitaskinga, virtualne memorije, umrezavanja, itd.
: YUCCA (Yugoslav Computer Communication Association - Jugoslovensko
: udruzenje za racunarske komunikacije) i do sada je radila na distribuciji
: Linuxa. Ovo je prva njena domaca distribucija. Brojka 1.0 oznacava
Vredi!
Cestitke Novici i svima koji su mu pomogli oko ovog posla!
unix.243postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: Amipro 2.0 under Dosemu0.6
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:48:53 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.development.apps ]
: [ Author was Uli Uphoff (hj000up@fire4-bb.uni-duisburg.de) ]
: [ Posted on 11 Apr 1995 06:57:58 GMT ]
: Hi all,
: no, this is not one of those questions: "Why doesn't Amipro run under Dosemu".
: It already works!!!
: It works with
: Linux1.2.4
: Dosemu0.60
: Windose 3.1 (os2kernel),
: Standard VGA mode using
: S3 adaptor.
OK, kakve su sanse da neko ovde to potera?
unix.244postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:43:42 GMT
-=> dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU napisa:
> Nisam mnogo provjeravao, ali mislim da je u pitanju opterecenje masine pri
> kome httpd skonta da bi bio red da on sam ne doprinosi guzvi previse, pa se
> uspori.
A postoji li nacin da mu objasnim da se ne uzrujava previse:) ? Ono je
mnogo sporo.. 4kb pa..... kroz 1 min jos 4kb i tako do svitanja:))...
Pozdrav!
unix.245postmast,
From: djdule@durlan.co.yu (Djdule)
Subject: Hederi...
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 23:18:00 GMT
QWK To: Dragan D. Vecerina
DDV > Sada jedno pitanjce za dragishu....Naime imam instaliran
DDV > Motif 2.0, ali ne mogu da ga startujem jer javlja sledece.
Jeli kakav je taj motif 2.0. Jel si programirao nesto za njega. Gde se to
moze naci za Linux ?
---
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#! rnews 1127
unix.246postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: POSTGRES
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 00:04:51 GMT
Radivoje Zonjic (rade@zed.co.yu) wrote:
: Na sta lici POSTGRES? (Doduse, na sta lice free RDBM Sistemi za Unixe
: uopste?)
Hm, pa recimo Oracle lici na Oracle-a, tj. na SQL, Sybase takodje :-)
Posgres se, koliko se ja secam nekih diskusija, ne svrstava striktno
u RDBMS jer mu nedostaju neka izrazajna sredstva SQL-a, sto se naravno moze
do besvesti diskutovati, ja samo pozivam iz pamcenja ono sto sam pre jedno
godinu dana procitao u nekim duskusijama. Bese da i sami autori Pstgres
godinu dana procitao u nekim duskusijama. Bese da i sami autori Postgres
nazivaju post-relacionom bazom i stavljaju naglasak na objektno orijentisani
pristup uz podrsku BLOB de facto standarda za prenos objekata medju razlicitim
arhitekturama (nesto kao prosirenje Sun-ovog xdr-a i rpc-a).
Koliko me secanje sluzi, autori Posgresa su na razvoj PD paketa
stavili tacku i krenuli da prodaju komercijalni paket pod sasvim drugim
imenom, sto ce reci da je Postgres doziveo sudbinu ranijih, slicno
obecavajucih paketa, kao sto je Ingres. Naime dobar OO-DBMS vredi suvog
zlata a tako nesto za dzabe ne daju ni ameri posle 3 dope-a :-). Da li je
mozda neko cuo da li se pojavio neko ko je paket preuzeo, za dalji PD
razvoj. To se desava ponekad ako coyright nije suvise krut, i ako je paket
jako popularan.
unix.247postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: database client/server
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 03:34:30 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.development.apps ]
[ Author was Vlad Seriakov ]
[ Posted on 14 Apr 1995 07:46:46 GMT ]
[ Article crossposted from relcom.fido.su.dbms ]
[ Author was Vlad Seriakov ]
[ Posted on 14 Apr 1995 07:44:23 GMT ]
LDBF - The clinet/server DBF compatible dbms
Version 0.6 alpha ( this version is quite stable I hope)
==========================================
What is LDBF?
-----------
LDBF (light DBF server) is client/server dbms
that operate with dbf files and compatible with FOXPRO CDX indexes.
Server part is loaded and waiting conection via TCP/IP or Unix domain
sockets.After client was connected it have access to databases
located on servers's machine.
Client's part is a C library that contain API to server via TCP/IP.
Library implements main suite of xBase operations and you
as I think may write any program that manipulating with DBF files.
Features
______________
- support DBF database and CDX indexes(compatible with Foxpro)
- client accesses server via TCP/IP or Unix domain
- security implemented on hosts and user levels (passwords)
- all operations may be visible in log files
- configuration may be changed without shuting down server
- support transactions (begin,abort,commit)
- have monitor to obtain information what server to do now :-)
- automatic recover all incomplete transactions
- very fast
Under developmnet
-----------------------------
- MSDOS client (via TCP/IP)
- Windows client (Winsock)
- Rule system (triggers)
- Serverkeeped procedures (i do not know how it called )
Availability
------------
LDBF can be found on ftp site sunsite.unc.edu in
directory /pub/Linux/Incoming (ldbf-0.6.tar.gz)
Server is available in binary and for Linux only.
Comments&suggestions are welcome.
Send it to vlad@torn.ktts.kharkov.ua.
unix.248postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:58:51 GMT
Radivoje Zonjic (rade@zed.co.yu) wrote:
-> Nema veze sa temom, ali...
-> Bole, care, nameravas li ti ovog Dragishu ovde da castis prvom prilikom
-> kad se pojavi u BG-u? U Vinci bi ti za kurs Linuxa (da ga imaju) sigurno uzeli
-> oko 200-300 dinara... :))))
E rade, rade... Jos nisi vidio IN.bole folder kod mene :)).
unix.249postmast,
From: bole@mrsys2.mr-net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: Re: lynx i httpd
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 07:39:00 GMT
-=> rade@zed.co.yu napisa:
> Bole, care, nameravas li ti ovog Dragishu ovde da castis prvom prilikom
> kad se pojavi u BG-u? U Vinci bi ti za kurs Linuxa (da ga imaju) sigurno uzeli
> oko 200-300 dinara... :))))
Ajd', malo i ja da sumim:) Dakle, kako da kazem ne?! Kazem da:) Inace thnx
na lepim recima :) (ona druga:)...
Pozdrav!
unix.250postmast,
From: aleck@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Vacic)
Subject: Re: Amipro 2.0 under Dosemu0.6
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:19:19 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: It works with
: Linux1.2.4
: Dosemu0.60
: Windose 3.1 (os2kernel),
: Standard VGA mode using
: S3 adaptor.
A shta mu znachi ovo os2 kernel?Treba OS/2 win emulacija za ovo?Meni
lichno nije problem za to,ali jel neko probao ovo da izvede sa MS Win?
U stvari,ima li neko ovaj wine?
--
+========================================================================+
| Vacic Aleksandar ú Elektrotehnichki Fakultet Beograd |
| email: aleck@sezam.co.yu |
| aleck@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu |
| aleck@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu |
| vacic_01293d@buef31.etf.bg.ac.yu |
+========================================================================+
unix.251postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Amipro 2.0 under Dosemu0.6
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 11:00:09 GMT
Aleksandar Vacic (aleck@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> : It works with
-> : Linux1.2.4
-> : Dosemu0.60
-> : Windose 3.1 (os2kernel),
-> : Standard VGA mode using
-> : S3 adaptor.
-> A shta mu znachi ovo os2 kernel?Treba OS/2 win emulacija za ovo?Meni
-> lichno nije problem za to,ali jel neko probao ovo da izvede sa MS Win?
-> U stvari,ima li neko ovaj wine?
Ovo nije WINE, vec dosemu + windows.
Na stranu sto dosemu0.60 brlja pri mejku :)
unix.252postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: POSTGRES
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:24:55 GMT
Zarko Berberski (zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Posgres se, koliko se ja secam nekih diskusija, ne svrstava striktno
: u RDBMS jer mu nedostaju neka izrazajna sredstva SQL-a, sto se naravno moze
:
Samo malo... POSTGRES-u nedostaju neka izrazajna sredstva SQL-a, jer
POSTGRES _nije_ SQL!!! Naime POSTGRES radi na QUEL relacionom jeziku.
Inace, pripadanje striktno RDBMS je vrlo relativno, jer ako se uzmu
u obzir _sva_ pravila koja RDBMS treba da postuje, ne bi postojao DBMS koji
bi bio striktno RDBMS...
--
Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
#! rnews 3559
unix.253postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:33:20 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: P.S. Da li na SEZAM-u postoje vece brzine od 2400bps?
Bice. Za nekoliko godina :)
unix.254postmast,
From: peca@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zoran Kostic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:05:58 GMT
Kao i obicno, znam da ne spada ovde, ali moze li mi neko reci
koji je telefon hobbiton-a ? Ne mogu nigde da ga nadjem, a neki stari koji
imam ocigledno je pogresan :(((
unix.255postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:47:04 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU):
>> -> root@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE.
>> ls -l /etc/*INEWS*
>> ili barem slicno. Cest problem sa inn, pun je bio usenet svojevremeno
>> takvih hostnejmova.
Stani, ja sam glup pa ne kapiram, :-) Da li to znaci da
u /etc treba da postoji nesto iz cega inews cita
neku informaciju o domenima (mada ne znam sta ce mu to, :-) ) ?
Ako je odgovor "da" onda da kazem da nigde u dokumentaciji
za INN nisam uspeo da nadjem bilo kakvog traga na tu temu...
Kako bi fajl tacno trebalo da se zove. Inace evo jos nekih
mogucih uzroka na koje sam sumnjao:
1. Imam NIS, pa moguce da "reverse lookup" ne da polazno
ime hosta.
2. Umesto programa domainname imam dnsdomainname koji u
stvari zove "hostname -d".
3. Hmmm. pa nema treceg, ali ima milijon :-) malih
sumnjivih stvari, koje... ;-)
Za Bjelica: naravno da sam prvo probao da se telnetujem na 119,
to mi je pomoglo u resavanju jednog drugog problema...
U stvari, najkorisniji bi mi bio pointer na newsgrupu u kojoj
se diskusija o ovome vodila, kao i period kad je to bilo, sa
eventualnim krospostom ovamo, ;-))
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.256postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 06:18:41 GMT
Miroslav Hristodulo (malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Stani, ja sam glup pa ne kapiram, :-) Da li to znaci da
-> u /etc treba da postoji nesto iz cega inews cita
-> neku informaciju o domenima (mada ne znam sta ce mu to, :-) ) ?
/etc/hosts.nntp izgleda, ali imaju vidu da ja to ne trosim (too heavy,
rekoh ti). Treba mu zato da ne bi pisao u From: polju articleta postovanog
preko nntp sendera bez domena, samo sa imenom masine. Uostalom, sto ne
probas
strings /usr/sbin/in.nntpd | less
-> U stvari, najkorisniji bi mi bio pointer na newsgrupu u kojoj
-> se diskusija o ovome vodila, kao i period kad je to bilo, sa
-> eventualnim krospostom ovamo, ;-))
Dobro kazes, diskusija se VODILA :). I kakav je to pointer sa krospostom
?:)
Pitacu na IRC prvom prilikom, a ti do tada svrni do mene pa pogledaj INN
faq u news.answers, ako ovo gore ne pomogne.
unix.257postmast,
From: alkos@hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Kostic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:38:43 GMT
AL> Kao i obicno, znam da ne spada ovde, ali moze li mi neko reci
AL> koji je telefon hobbiton-a ? Ne mogu nigde da ga nadjem, a neki
AL> stari koji imam ocigledno je pogresan :(((
FYI, Hobbiton Headquarters -- 076.588.263.
---
Aleksandar Kostić
unix.258violator,
Kako da mount-ujem űpanasonikov CD-ROM u mL-u? Vidim imam
nekakav drajver za ¸│
panasonikove cd-rom-ove, međutim kada ukucam mount /dev/sbpcd on mi
kaže da ne može da nađe /dev/sbpcd u /etc/mtab ili fstab, tako da
pretpostavljam da tamo treba da dopišem nešto kao što je i za HDD,
ali pošto je CD to se verovatno razlikuje :), pa me zanima šta tu da
napišem. Da li bi neko mogao da mi okaci yuscii font za mL ovde na
sezamu? Htedoh još nešto vezano za mL da pitam ali sam zaboravio :)
unix.259mikis,
+> Mogu da se jave i meni. Taman da mi testiraju BBS B).
Mogao si baš i da ostaviš broj BBS-a ;))
unix.260zeljkoj,
Zašto na Osmehu neće da mi radi ZMODEM download? Otkucam sz ime_fajla,
prenos počne, ali Procomm samo ispiše ime fajla i dužinu, ali neće ništa
da prenese! Upload radi dobro.
Takodje, tin neće da se startuje. Samo ispiše:
tin 1.2 PL1 [UNIX] (c) Copyright 1991-93 Iain Lea.
Connecting to 147.91.128.1...
Reading news active file...
Reading attributes file...
Reading newsgroups file...
tin: Terminal must have clear to end-of-screen (cd)
tin: Screen initialization failed
Probao sam ANSI i sve VT terminal emulacije koje imaju u Procommu, ali
neće da radi ni sa jednom. :(
unix.261slom,
Subject: POSTGRES
-----------------------
name: Postgres
version: 4.2 beta
interfaces: libpq (C interface), pgbrowse (tk-based browser)
access methods: Heap plus secondary indexes: B-tree, R-tree, Hash.
multiuser: yes
transactions: yes
distributed: no
query language: Postquel (incompatable, extended variant of QUEL)
limits: ?
robustness: The authors say: "It is not up to commercial levels of
reliability. I would not want _my_ payroll records in it :-)"
description: Postgres is a database research project under Prof. Michael
Stonebraker at U. C. Berkeley. To facilitate research
efforts, a software test-bed was created; this is the
"Postgres" DBMS software. The Postgres DBMS is extended
relational or object oriented, depending on the buzzword du
jour. Postgres is relational. It is highly extensible. It
has object oriented features like inheritance. it has query
language procedures, rules, updatable views, and more.
references: There are may papers available, both through ftp and as
hard-copy technical reports. Cruse the ftp site for papers
or mail Michelle Mattera <michelle@postgres.berkeley.edu>
discussion: send "Subject: ADD" to postgres-request@postgres.berkeley.edu
linux: send "X-Mn-Admin: join postgres"
to linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi
bugs: <bug-postgres@postgres.berkeley.edu>
ports: full support: Alpha OSF/1 1.3+, Mips Ultrix .2+,
Sparc SunOS 4.1.1+, Power AIX 3.2.3+, HP-PA HP-UX 9.0+
comming soon: Sparc Solaris 2.3, i386 Linux
previous versions: i386 SVR4, i386 386BSD, i386 Linux,
i386 NextStep 3.1, NeXT NextStep 3.0,
Sparc Solaris 2.1+, HP-PA HP-UX 8.07
contact: developers: <postgres-questions@postgres>
admin: Michelle Mattera <michelle@postgres.berkeley.edu>
how to get: ftp pub/postgres/postgres-v4r2* from s2k-ftp.CS.Berkeley.EDU.
pgbrowse: ftp pub/pgbrowse/* from crseo.ucsb.edu.
updated: 1994/04/02
-------------------------
sm
unix.262valeksa,
Imam problem sa instalacijom YU Linuxa. Konfiguracija je sledeća:
- 386 DX 40, 8 Mb RAMa, 2 HD-a (oba Conera 420 i 85 Mb)
Linux je instaliran na drugom disku. Kada ga pokrenem odbija
poslušnost :((( i traži mi matematički koprocesor ????
Da napomenem da je probano i na prvom disku i opet isto :(((
Šta je u pitanju i kako da ga prevarim?
Još jedna napomena, portugalski Linux radi ko mator.
Pozdrav.
unix.263novim,
" Linux je instaliran na drugom disku. Kada ga pokrenem odbija
" poslušnost :((( i traži mi matematički koprocesor ????
Evo, uz ovu poruku je kernel koji podržava i emulaciju mat.
komprocesora. Stavi ga u linux dir, i prijavi ga u linux.bat kao
kernel koji treba pozvati.
Problem sa kernelima je da što više hardverskih i ostalih opcija
podržavaju, to su glomazniji, sporiji, etc. (Ovaj je takođe verzija
1.2.0, dakle, jedan od najnovijih stabilnih.)
kern386.zipunix.264ppekovic,
>> tin: Terminal must have clear to end-of-screen (cd)
>> tin: Screen initialization failed
>>
>> Probao sam ANSI i sve VT terminal emulacije koje imaju u
>> Procommu, ali neće da radi ni sa jednom. :(
Moraš da izabereš terminal emulaciju i na samom osmeh-u. otkucaj
TERM=vt100; export TERM ili sl. i sve će raditi.
Paya
unix.265stanic,
Subject: Linux instalacija
Problem prilikom dizanja sistema sa boot diskete.
Poruka nesto u fazonu VFS kernel panic.
Disk je 540Mb, u setapu prijaVLJEN kao 1024 cilindra, 16 glava, 55 sektora
Linux ga prepoznaje sa sledecim parametrima 1050,16,55. Da li je problem
zbog ovoga ili sto je prvo dignuta DOS particija(ako ovo ima ikakve veze)
Poz.
unix.266zeljkoj,
> Moraš da izabereš terminal emulaciju i na samom osmeh-u.
> otkucaj TERM=vt100; export TERM ili sl. i sve će raditi.
Hvala, probaću.
unix.267valeksa,
>> Evo, uz ovu poruku je kernel koji podržava i emulaciju mat.
>> komprocesora. Stavi ga u linux dir, i prijavi ga u linux.bat kao
>> kernel koji treba pozvati.
>>
>> Problem sa kernelima je da što više hardverskih i ostalih opcija
>> podržavaju, to su glomazniji, sporiji, etc. (Ovaj je takođe
verzija
>> 1.2.0, dakle, jedan od najnovijih stabilnih.)
hvalana brzom odgovoru. Probaću, pa ću javiti rezultate.
Pozdrav.
unix.268ialeksic,
Jedno pitanje.
Instalirao sam MiniLinux i već nekoliko dana se igram sa njim.
Podigao sam i X Windows međutim ne mogu da pokrenem miša.
Probao sam u SETUP-u sa Microsoft Serial i MouseSystem ali bez rezultata.
Inače miš je Logitech na serijskom portu.
Šta sam propustio da uradim?
Pozdrav Ivan.
unix.269smarkov,
> Probao sam u SETUP-u sa Microsoft Serial i MouseSystem ali bez rezultata.
> Inače miš je Logitech na serijskom portu.
> Šta sam propustio da uradim?
> Pozdrav Ivan.
Izgleda da ljudi baš imaju problema sa pokretanjem X-a. žitajte man-ove,
README-ove, HOWTO-ove ...
Značajni koraci u podešavanju X servera na LINUX-u:
1. U Xconfig datoteci definisati chipset na kome je bazirana grafička
kartica. Ograničavamo se na X86_SVGA server koji podrzava sledece
chipset-ove:
Tseng : ET3000, Et4000 TSENG.
Western Digital : PVGA1, WD90C00, WD90C10, WD90C11, WD90C30, WD90C31
Trident: TVGA8800CS, TVGA8900B, TVGA8900C, TVGA8900CL, TVGA9000
ATI: 28800-4, 28800-5, 28800-a (za Mach chipset/kartice ima poseban server)
Cirrus Logic: CLGD5420, CLGD5422, CLGD5424, CLGD5426, CLGD5428,
CLGD6205, CLGD6215, CLGD6225, CLGD6235
Oak: OTI067, OTI077
Domaće raširane kartice su uglavnom, dakle, tu.
Chipset se navodi u Xconfig datoteci pored labele chipset. Validne su sledeće
oznake:
pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c31
gvga
tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga9000
ati
Ako nema vašeg chipset-a, ili ne znate koji chipset imate onda uradite b).
2. Drugi deo price je toliko pominjani mis. U Xconfig treba da stoji linija
poput:
Microsoft "/dev/mouse"
Mousesystems "/dev/mouse"
Uzgred, treba proveriti da li je /dev/mouse link na COM1 odnosno COM2
Komanda :
ls -l /dev/mouse
Treba da da izlaz :
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jul 17 1994 /dev/mouse -> ttyS0
ttyS0 je COM1 device, ttyS1 je COM2 etc.
3. Treci deo price je formiranje clock i mode DB sekcije. Pronadjite vasu
karticu u Xconfig primerima(priloženi uz poruku).
Ako je ne nadjete onda korak b).
U VGA256 sekciju prepisete clocks sekciju iz Xconfiga koji ste pronasli
u primerima, recimo za CirrusLogic dobije se
Clocks 25.23 28.32 41.16 36.08
31.50 39.99 45.08 49.87
64.98 72.16 75.00 80.01
Sledece redove "prepišete" ispod clock sekcije, bez obzira na kartu.
Modes "800x600" "640x480" "1024x768i"
Videoram 1024
Virtual 1024 768
Speedup "all"
ViewPort 0 0
4. Dalje, unesete ModeDB sekciju. Ako u clocks sekciji postoje
frekvencije 25, 36 i 45 - prosto prepišete donje redove. Ako ne postoje
onda uradite b). Ako ne postoje neke od frekvencija - mozete da izbrisete
odgovarajuci red iz ModeDB, zajedno sa odgovarajucim XXXxYYY iz Modes
(recimo u clock ne postoji 25 - u donjoj tabeli se brise a Modes red je
Modes "800x600" "1024x786i"
ModeDB
# name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags
"640x480" 25 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
"800x600" 36 800 840 912 1024 600 600 602 625
"1024x768i" 45 1024 1040 1216 1320 768 776 780 815 interlace
b) Svakom poštenom i dobronamernom gradjaninu je jasno da su objašnjenja
i datoteka koju sam priložio sasvim dovoljni za pokretanje X servera. Za
vas kojima to nije jasno pomoći nema :).
Šalu na stranu, ako ste zapeli u bilo kojoj fazi mail-me : mora da radi ;)
Gore data objašnjenja podrazumevaju da imate neku od navedenih kartica
i da vam je monitor s***e kao i moj. Za one sa ozbiljnijim konf (pre svega
mislim na monitor) : ide nešto drugačije. (Za neki dan čeka me ATI-Mach64
sa 21A Phillipsom ;) ).
U priloženoj datoteci je gomila uputstava i primera za razne karte (Za vredne
i uporne - mnogo relevantnije nego ovaj tekstić).
Happy LinuX-ing :)
xconfig.zipunix.270valeksa,
++>> Evo, uz ovu poruku je kernel koji podržava i emulaciju mat.
++>> komprocesora. Stavi ga u linux dir, i prijavi ga u linux.bat kao
++>> kernel koji treba pozvati.
++>>
++>> Problem sa kernelima je da što više hardverskih i ostalih opcija
++>> podržavaju, to su glomazniji, sporiji, etc. (Ovaj je takođe
verzija
++>> 1.2.0, dakle, jedan od najnovijih stabilnih.)
++
++ hvalana brzom odgovoru. Probaću, pa ću javiti rezultate.
evo, probao sam. Hoće :(((. Hvala puno na brzoj intervenciji.
Pozdrav.
unix.271skerl,
NcFTP 1.9.4 i 2.0.4
ncftp.zipunix.272.marko.,
Imam problem sa instalacijom stampaca pod SCO UNIX-om 3.2. 4.2.
Stampac je Epson LX-400, pod DOS-om savrseno funkcionise na LPT1.
Uradio sam setovanje (mkdev lp), probao sam sve konbinacije,
ali prijavljuje gresku "Failed to open the printer port".
Sta da mu radim :)?
unix.273zormi,
Nabavio sam Dual Pentium motherboard sa 2 x Pentium/90 ;). Tu je naravno
i 64 MB RAM, ATI Mach 64, PCI arhitektura, svašta integrisano... itd.
E sad, da bih ga malo i zaposlio treba mi tzv. "SCO NPX" software
koji omogućava da SCO UNIX radi na više procesora istovremeno.
Jel' neko čuo za to?
unix.274severian,
Ako neko ima primere konfiguracionih fajlova za Taylor konfiguraciju
UUCP-a (fajlovi iz /var/lib/uucp/taylor_config ako se ne varam) molio bih
ga da ih okači ovde (može i na mail). Unapred hvala!
unix.275inforts,
Imam SCSI disk od 1.2 GB prikačen na DCE376 Mulex Cache Controler.
Nemam uputstvo za kontroler ali imam diskete (jedna za DOS i dve za SCO UNIX).
Na DOS disketi je UTIL program za dijagnostiku i particioniranje i on javlja:
### PARAMETERS ###
No Drive ID Heads Cyls Sect/Trk Sect.Size Capacity
0 0 15 2540 63 512 1229 MB
### DISPLAY PARTITIONS ###
Number Status Type Start Size
1 A 6 0 1022
2 N 153 1023 1517
Na obe particije je instaliran DOS, prva (C:) se automatski vidi a druga (D:)
se dobija pomoću drajvera koji se uzima sa DOS diskete.
Počeo sam instalaciju SCO ODT 3.0.
Hoću da UNIX instaliram na drugu particiju. Disk se pokazao kao:
%disk 0x01f0-0x01f7 14 type=w0 unit0 cyls=1023 hds=15 sect=63
Kasnije, kod particioniranja diska, pojavila se tabela:
Current hard disk /dev/rdsk/0s0
partition status type start end size
3 Active DOS 1 15329 15329
4 Inactive Unknown 15345 38099 22755
Total 15345 tracks (16 reserved for masterboot)
Šta dalje? Očigledno se ne vidi druga particija. Da li UTIL programom samo
obrisati drugu particiju ? Da li je obrisati sa FDISK ? Pa zatim iskoristiti
opciju - Use Rest Disk for UNIX -. Kako iskoristiti dve diskete za SCO UNIX,
tu se sigurno nalazi neki drajver. Diskete su u UNIX formatu pa ne mogu da ih
pročitam iz DOS-a.
Video sam u jednoj raspravi nešto kao "posle poruke boot: a pre pritiska
na ENTER za nastavak, linkujte drajvere sa diskete". Kako?
Pozdrav Dragan
unix.276kanki,
>> Nabavio sam Dual Pentium motherboard sa 2 x Pentium/90 ;). Tu
>> je naravno i 64 MB RAM, ATI Mach 64, PCI arhitektura, svašta
>> integrisano... itd.
>>
>> E sad, da bih ga malo i zaposlio treba mi tzv. "SCO NPX"
>> software koji omogućava da SCO UNIX radi na više procesora
>> istovremeno. Jel' neko čuo za to?
'''''''''''''''''''''
?!!!???!!? zbunj :)
Ajde baci malo brdsko-brzinskih karakteristika te male aždajice..
unix.277zormi,
*>> Nabavio sam Dual Pentium motherboard sa 2 x Pentium/90 ;). Tu
*>> je naravno i 64 MB RAM, ATI Mach 64, PCI/EISA arhitektura, svašta
*>> integrisano... itd.
*>>
*>> E sad, da bih ga malo i zaposlio treba mi tzv. "SCO NPX"
*>> software koji omogućava da SCO UNIX radi na više procesora
*>> istovremeno. Jel' neko čuo za to?
* '''''''''''''''''''''
* ?!!!???!!? zbunj :)
Pronašao sam dotični software :).
unix.278postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: RZ i Linux
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:24:34 GMT
Cackajuci po sourcetu lrzsz0.12a (0.11) paketa za Linux dosao sam
do tragicnog zakljucka da doticna verzija ZMODEM-a (odnosno rz programa)
ignorise (tacnije uopste ne procesira) zahtev za nastavak prijema fajla
(crash recovery), koji je u uslovima rada na 9600 na nasim centralama,
neophodan. Pokupio sam da i paket rzsz9305 koji prema source-u podrzava
crash recovery i uspesno ga kompajlirao za posix sistem, medjutim on odbija
da zapocne bilo kakav prenos. Pitanje je: da li iko ima zmodem paket za
Linux na kojem radi crash recovery ???
Unapred hvala i pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.279postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: RZ i Linux
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 05:08:57 GMT
Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Cackajuci po sourcetu lrzsz0.12a (0.11) paketa za Linux dosao sam
-> do tragicnog zakljucka da doticna verzija ZMODEM-a (odnosno rz programa)
-> ignorise (tacnije uopste ne procesira) zahtev za nastavak prijema fajla
-> (crash recovery), koji je u uslovima rada na 9600 na nasim centralama,
-> neophodan. Pokupio sam da i paket rzsz9305 koji prema source-u podrzava
-> crash recovery i uspesno ga kompajlirao za posix sistem, medjutim on odbija
-> da zapocne bilo kakav prenos. Pitanje je: da li iko ima zmodem paket za
-> Linux na kojem radi crash recovery ???
lrzsz je baziran na rssz9305, mislim :). Znaci, on bi to trebalo da ima.
Ako nema, a ne mozes da kompajliras radeci rz, preuzmi od mene
/usr/local/bin/rz i to ce biti to.
unix.280postmast,
From: peca@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zoran Kostic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:01:26 GMT
: FYI, Hobbiton Headquarters -- 076.588.263.
Hvala svima !
unix.281postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.4
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:47:50 GMT
Radivoje Zonjic (rade@zed.co.yu) wrote:
: Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
: : Da li neko u yu poseduje diskete ili CD sa instalacijom Solaris 2.4.
: : Dolaze u obzir i nize verzije ;) Naravno za Intel procesore.
: Mislim da ljudi iz Sage imaju bash to, ali nisam siguran. Dakle, daj im
: poziv (give them a call) :).
Hvala.
: Poz.
: Rade
Pozdrav i tebi ;)
Vladislav
--
Sve je kasnije nego sto mislite
unix.282postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: Hederi...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:51:43 GMT
Djdule (djdule@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: Pazi, ja sam iz Nis(a) :))) pa ne znam sta ima tamo. Ja ponekad radim na
: masini DECstation 5000 na kojoj ima motifa (unitop.elfak.ni.ac.yu). So, to
: ti je to, ako nista izrabljuj Xtoolkit. Pozdrav..
OK, Thanx ;)
--
Sve je kasnije nego sto mislite
unix.283postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:54:37 GMT
Sasa Petrovic (petrovics@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Moze li neko da nam kaze koji CD ROM dostupan na nasem trzistu
: moze da radi sa SCO UNIX-om i koji model se preporucuje ?
Od obicnih, internih - Ni JEDAN :-( Potreban je samo jedino i
iskljucivo SCSI CD - jer je SCO malko braindamaged po ovom pitanju :-)
Naravno sve to samo ako ja bas potrebno sitati SCO-ove CD-ove koji su sa
EAFS file system-om. Ukoliko je pak namena pristup diskovima sa obicnim ISO
ili prosirenim (za Unix - 32char/filename) file system-om, nekoliko amera
preporucije Linux i NFS kao lakse i jeftinije resenje :-). Ovo pre svega
zato sto SCO ni uz pistolj nece da cita CD-ove sa prosirenim file systemom, a
i zato sto obisno vec postoji barem jos jedan PC u mrezi pa je onda malo
skupo dodavati i SCSI kontroler i SCSI CD.
Ako se vec mora uzeti SCSI CD, onda je mozda bolje uzeti eksterni,
narocitu ako ce biti vise SCO masina koje ce se recimo sve instalirati sa
SCO instalacionog CD-a za ODT 3.
unix.284postmast,
From: dragon@setnet.co.yu (Dragan Miljkovic)
Subject: WYSE Terminal
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:22:01
HI!
Prijatelju su hitno potrebne escape sekvence WYSE terminala,
bilo kojeg, ili emulator istog (pozeljno za Unix ali moze i za Dos).
Tnx,
dragon@setnet.co.yu
... When your work speaks for itself, don`t interrupt.
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unix.285postmast,
From: ZDRAVKO.STAFILOV@f131.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (ZDRAVKO STAFILOV)
Subject: unix
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 04:25:00
"M=-> Samo ti ponesi prazne (& polovne) od 1.44, 3 komada... Sto se ostalih
"M=-> tice, mislim da ce naredne noce sve biti ovde.
"M=-> Iznenadenje je da je na te tri diskete stao ne samo ceo mL, sa jednim
"M=-> od najnovijih kernela (uz nc, splitvt, etc.), vec i - DosEmulator. :)
A gde mozhemo mi ostali da "nabavimo" sadrzhinu tih
disketa? O:)
(: MuneM :)
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unix.286postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Re: RZ i Linux
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:36:19 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric wrote:
: -> da zapocne bilo kakav prenos. Pitanje je: da li iko ima zmodem paket za
: -> Linux na kojem radi crash recovery ???
: lrzsz je baziran na rssz9305, mislim :). Znaci, on bi to trebalo da ima.
: Ako nema, a ne mozes da kompajliras radeci rz, preuzmi od mene
: /usr/local/bin/rz i to ce biti to.
lrzsz je baziran na rzsz9202 ! To sam danas definitivno uspeo da
provalim, medjutim tajna mi je i dalje kako si uspeo da ga iskompajliras i
da radi (probao sam posix i sysvr3). Ako te ne mrzi i secas se - napisi, a
ja sam kao prirucno resenje uzeo sa Hobbiton-a kompajlirane iz
/usr/local/bin. Hvala, u svakom slucaju!
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.287postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:57:01 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> -> >> bi trebalo da fundamentalno obratis paznju na ponasanje :)).
U bre, nisam ti ja fundamentalista..:)) (Ovo na proslu jer nijesam
primjetio.)
nego sto bi reko jedan moj frend, ortodoksni pravoslavac:)))
>> Zanimljivo... :) Da nema i 486 neki bug kod dijeljenja?
Ko ce da ga zna...Intel je to.:))Ne, ozbiljno tako bijase.Slicno
mi se desilo i na 486DX4/100, ali tamo i sada neke stvari koje
rade sa svgalib-om jednostavno znaju da zaglave.
E sada jedno zanimljivo pitanjce...Nadam se da znate sta radi
'dialog'.Zanimljiva situacija je da shell script napisan i u
njemu koriscena ta naredba nekad radi, a nekad ne radi..
Ako dignem masinu i pokrenem script jednostavno se zaglavi na toj
komandi i cuti(na ekranu nista).Dignem X-windowse izadjem iz njih
i pokrenem script, sve radi savrseno..bojice na ekranu dialog
prozorcici i tako dalje...jel ima neko iskustva sa tim ili slicnim
problemcicem??Ah da, zanimljivo je i to da ako pokrenem 'olvwm'
opet isto nece da radi...znaci samo ako pokrenem fvwm.
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.288postmast,
From: milorad.karalic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milorad Karalic)
Subject: Mini linux yucca
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 01:22:00 CET
QWK To: Milan Stojanovic
MS> MK> Mini Linux YUCCA je stigao u Nis. Posto moj flopi ne pokazuje
MS> MK> najbolju volju da radi, javite se pa cemo da smislimo nesto. Ko zeli
MS> MK> ovaj mL, neka mi posalje privatnu poruku, pa cemo da se dogovorimo.
MS> Pa Mico, meni (fala Bogu) flopi radi k'o sat. Samo dodji sa disketama
MS> pa cemo da snimamo...
Znas kakvo je stanje. Flopi cas radi cas ne radi. Danas sam uspeo
jednom coveku da iskopiram ceo mL i nije bilo problema. Ali, ako ih
bude, organizovacemo se (mada jos nema poruka ovde, da neko trazi mL).
Inace, instalacija koja je kod mene, uradjena je tako sto je arhiviran
ceo mL bez kernela, koji se stavlja na zadnju disketu, tako da lako
moze da se menja. Ubacio sam i neki sitni batch fajl, koji sve sam
raspakuje i kopira, tj. sam radi instalaciju. Samo se otkuca
a:install a: i to je sve. Inace, cuvam oba kernela, ali cu uskoro da
obrisem onaj za 486. Jel' da ga stavim, pre toga, kod tebe na BBS?
Pozdrav // Micca !!!
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unix.289postmast,
From: ddjokic@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: WYSE Terminal
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:53:21 GMT
Dragan Miljkovic (dragon@setnet.co.yu) rece:
>>Prijatelju su hitno potrebne escape sekvence WYSE terminala,
>>bilo kojeg, ili emulator istog (pozeljno za Unix ali moze i za Dos).
Pokupi sekvence iz baze termcap koja se nalazi u /etc diru
na svakom UNIX-u. Potrazis deo kaji se odnosi na taj terminal
i to iskopiras. Da bi znao koja sekvenca sta radi moras da
procitas i help sa man termcap. Na primer tamo ti pise nesto
kao so=\E[m, sto znaci da normalan ispis na terminal
postizes ako mu posaljes ESC pa [ pa m. Valjda je jasno :))
--
Djole ( galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu )
unix.290postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:40:21 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> i u cudnim situacijama (hardverskim).Druga stvar je da nikako ne bi
-> trebalo iz kernela izbacivati podrsku za emulaciju koprocesora, jer
-> je primeceno da neke stavri nece da rade bez toga iako imate koprocesor
-> ili ako imate 486.Koliko se secam ima jos ljudi koji su imali taj
-> slican problemcic.
Vecxo ba, mojne da dezinformiras ljude. Iz kernela emulaciju ne treba
izbaciti zbog ljudi sa 386 bez koprocesora, a to da ce on pored zivog
(kakvog takvog, makar i neispravnog:) koprocesora koristiti emulaciju, prvi
put cujem od tebe. Mailni Linusa, da i njemu otvoris oci :).
Ovakve maglovite izjave samo zbunjuju novajlije, i ti kao javni radnik :)
bi trebalo da fundamentalno obratis paznju na ponasanje :)).
unix.291postmast,
From: milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milan Stojanovic)
Subject: Unix
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:23:00 CET
QWK To: Djdule
@MSGID: 0:0/0.0 2f9b35dd
@PID: BWRA 3.02 [Eval]
QWK To: djdule (Dusan Djordjevic)
MS > Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
MS > onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
MS > da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
Dj> Pa kad bildijes kernel on te pita za emulaciju. E ako nemas ni
Ma fora je u tome sto ja nisam bildovao kernel nego sam dobio linux sa
kernelom za 486. Sa emulacijom koprocesora nije hteo ni da bekne (a
nisam imao pri ruci onaj 386to486 :))). Nego, nema veze, Micko mi je
dobacio kernel za 386. Kod njega sa tim kernelom radi na SX-u, pa ce
verovatno da proradi i kod mene.
Piksi.
... -Bolje dobra riba na posteru nego losa u krevetu
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unix.292postmast,
From: miroslav@alef.caa.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: 20 Apr 1995 20:05:04 GMT
Resio sam svoj problem. U /etc/NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN
treba upisati ime lokalnog hosta, bas kao i u
/etc/HOSTNAME .
Ne trazi ga ni INN niti INEWS vec, verovali ili
ne, TIN !
--
miroslav@alef.caa.co.yu
( Miroslav Hristodulo )
unix.293postmast,
From: zeljkoj@osmeh (Zeljko Jovanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:49:24 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: > Moras da izaberes terminal emulaciju i na samom osmeh-u.
: > otkucaj TERM=vt100; export TERM ili sl. i sve ce raditi.
: Hvala, probacu.
Radi! Ali kako to nekako da 'zapamtim', da ne moram stalno posle
logovanja da kucam export TERM?
unix.294postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:00:55 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> Ovakve maglovite izjave samo zbunjuju novajlije, i ti kao javni radnik :)
>> bi trebalo da fundamentalno obratis paznju na ponasanje :)).
486DX2/66 xMb.Nisu radile neke igrice u grafickom modu (SVGALIB)
sve dok se u kernel nije uvukla emulacija koprocesora.
Ubi me ako znam sta je...ali tako je ispalo..
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.295postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:18:51 GMT
Da li neko ima iskustva sa dodavanjem drugog IDE diska na SCO UNIX?
Ako ima, zamolio bi kratak opis procedure. Hvala.
unix.296postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:51:39 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@osmeh) wrote:
: Radi! Ali kako to nekako da 'zapamtim', da ne moram stalno posle
: logovanja da kucam export TERM?
Imas u svom HOME direktorijumu (onom u kome si posle logovanja) fajl
koji se zove .bash_profile, kojeg bash (komandni interpreter) cita pri
logovanju. U njemu postoji red TERM=ansi (trenutno kod tebe :-))). Treba to
promeniti u TERM=vt100 (npr.). Malo nize postoji i export TERM (to je
naredba bash-u da promenljivu stavi na raspolaganje i sledecim podselovima).
Alternativni nacin je da se neka promenljiva definise u .bashrc fajlu koji
bash cita pri stvaranju svakog novog pod-shell-a. Sve ovo vazi za bash, kod
drugih shell-ova se ovi fajlovi drugacije zovu.
--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
unix.297postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:19:15 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Probao sam ANSI i sve VT terminal emulacije koje imaju u Procommu, ali
: nece da radi ni sa jednom. :(
Potrebno je i Osmehu reci koji terminal koristite :-))) Dakle,
koristite naredbu "export TERM=vt100" (recimo). ANSI terminal definicija
na Osmehu ne sadrzi sve kodove koji su tin-u potrebni, pa zato tin nece
da radi kada se koristi ansi terminal.
--
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unix.298postmast,
From: anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 20:03:12 GMT
U poruci od Miroslav Hristodulo (malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) stoji:
## Stani, ja sam glup pa ne kapiram, :-) Da li to znaci da
## u /etc treba da postoji nesto iz cega inews cita
## neku informaciju o domenima (mada ne znam sta ce mu to, :-) ) ?
## Ako je odgovor "da" onda da kazem da nigde u dokumentaciji
## za INN nisam uspeo da nadjem bilo kakvog traga na tu temu...
## Kako bi fajl tacno trebalo da se zove. Inace evo jos nekih
## mogucih uzroka na koje sam sumnjao:
## 1. Imam NIS, pa moguce da "reverse lookup" ne da polazno
## ime hosta.
## 2. Umesto programa domainname imam dnsdomainname koji u
## stvari zove "hostname -d".
## 3. Hmmm. pa nema treceg, ali ima milijon :-) malih
## sumnjivih stvari, koje... ;-)
Trenutno raja po Usenetu ima problema sa domainnametom i novim
kernelom... Jednostavno nemoze da se postavi razliciti hostname
od domainname-a. Mada, ne bi trebalo da smeta, btw:).
--
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU
anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
unix.299postmast,
From: milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milan Stojanovic)
Subject: Unix
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:04:00 CET
QWK To: Novica Milic
@MSGID: 0:0/0.0 2f97f3a3
@PID: BWRA 3.02 [Eval]
TO: Novica Milic
NM> Medutim, ko god mi se javi u mail da mu treba, pa dogovorimo vreme
NM> (uvece i nocu, kad je jeftinija tarifa), moci ce da me zivne modemom
Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
da nastavi jedno pola sata, ali on ni da bekne (imao sam slicnih
iskustava sa SCO Unix-om). Ne znam u cemu je problem. Ajde vidi ako
treba jos nesto da skinem pa da bas kompletiram ovaj jucin :) mini
Linux. Inace imam 386/40/4MB. Da li ima nade da ovo chudo proradi? Jos
samo da napomenem da onaj stariji minilinux radi bez problema (dobro,
ne rade mi Xwindowsi, ali ionako poludim kad cujem rec windows :)).
Piksi.
... BEEP! Pogresan unos, primam iskljucivo gotovinu!
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unix.300postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 07:39:31 GMT
Milan Stojanovic (milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu) wrote:
-> Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
-> onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
-> da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
Treba kernel sa emulacijom. Ako je novim zaboravio to pri mejku, vrijeme
je za prvi bugfix u vidu novog kernela :). Da se ne uplase oni koji su to
vec skinuli, nece morati sve ponovo, max 300kb DL.
unix.301postmast,
From: djdule@durlan.co.yu (Djdule)
Subject: Unix
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 00:50:00 GMT
QWK To: Milan Stojanovic
MS > Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
MS > onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
MS > da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
Pa kad bildijes kernel on te pita za emulaciju. E ako nemas ni emulaciju ni
koprocesor mozda zeza. Ajd kad se vratim iz Grcke cu ti napravim neki
kernel da radi.
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unix.302postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: rzsz from/to galeb
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 23:07:24 GMT
Hajdihaj svi.
Evo ja samo da i opet pitam sta se to desava (again) sa galebovim rz/sz,
ili sa DEC serverom izmedju njega i obicnih ljudi kad zovu od kuce?
sz/rz i dalje pucaju posle nekoliko kilobajta, a ne pomaze ni trip
kombinacija a la sz -e -L 512 nekifajlname, jer se jednostavno DEC (cini
mi se) prepuni (?) i blokira prenos, tj. zmodem javlja Bad subpacket,
Got no answer, Bad CRC (uf!) itd.
So, Vecxo a bome i ostali, recite sta je?
... "OK Scotty, beam me up!" ssssSSSZZZZzzztt #^%$(@&^%$%!(&^)!_&$^NO CARR
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unix.303postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:04:38 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> Problem sa kernelima je da sto vise hardverskih i ostalih opcija
>> podrzavaju, to su glomazniji, sporiji, etc. (Ovaj je takode verzija
>> 1.2.0, dakle, jedan od najnovijih stabilnih.)
Ja bih predlozio da u YUCCA-inoj distribuciji ide kernel 1.2.4
kao jedan od novijih, a posebno moram naglasiti i stabilnijih cak
i u cudnim situacijama (hardverskim).Druga stvar je da nikako ne bi
trebalo iz kernela izbacivati podrsku za emulaciju koprocesora, jer
je primeceno da neke stavri nece da rade bez toga iako imate koprocesor
ili ako imate 486.Koliko se secam ima jos ljudi koji su imali taj
slican problemcic.
Ovo su moji predlozi kao "clana" organizacije:)))Mozete ih usvojiti
a bogami i odbaciti.
Pozdrav,
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.304postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: rzsz from/to galeb
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:10:22 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
>> So, Vecxo a bome i ostali, recite sta je?
Problem je u telnet servisu na orlu....Ja ne mogu da ga promenim
niti imam mogucnosti da galeba isturim trenutno na modem server.
Koliko sam ja isprobavao to cudo download radi..ali upload nece.
Neresiv problem za sada osim ako neko ne zna kako zafrkati orlov
rlogin.:(
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.305postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: rzsz from/to galeb
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:27:40 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu):
>> Neresiv problem za sada osim ako neko ne zna kako zafrkati orlov
>> rlogin.:(
Rlogin -8 ste vec probali? Probajte da mu date
drugi escape char., da ne bude tilda nego na primer
nesto levo. Tako su na Fonu to sredili... Mislim
da se to radi pomocu -e.
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.306postmast,
From: Guduric.Predrag@f113.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Guduric Predrag)
Subject: Life
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:23:06
Da li neko ima vec uradjene graficke rutine za X-Windows za Life
da mi produzi zivot jedno mesec dana . . . :)))
Caveman
... I'd rather be in the Cave than wallow in QWKsand!
* Origin: * Milliways * BELGRADE * Serbia * SETNet Address (38:103/113)
unix.307postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:02:34 GMT
Stanimir Miljkovic (severian@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> Ako neko ima primere konfiguracionih fajlova za Taylor konfiguraciju
>> UUCP-a (fajlovi iz /var/lib/uucp/taylor_config ako se ne varam) molio bih
>> ga da ih okaci ovde (moze i na mail). Unapred hvala!
npr:
sys
----
system zmaj
time Any
baud 38400
port ACU
phone 3227317
chat-timeout 20
chat ogin:--ogin: username word: password
local-receive /
alternate
called-login nuucp
send-request true
called-transfer true
remote-send /usr/spool/uucppublic
local-receive /
remote-receive /usr/spool/uucppublic
alternate
called-login zmaj
remote-send /usr/spool/uucp/zmaj /usr/spool/uucppublic
local-receive /
remote-receive /usr/spool/uucp/zmaj /usr/spool/uucppublic
----
port
----
port ACU
type modem
device cua2
baud 38400
dialer hayes
----
dial
----
dialer hayes
chat "" \dAT\r\c OK\r \EATDP\T\r\c CONNECT
----
Ovo radi....e sad moguce su razne varijacije na temu.:)
Pozdrav, & sretno
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.308violator,
niko mi ne odgovori na pitanje kako danamestim panasoinc cd-rom da mi
radi po mL-om, a vidim da isti ima nekek drajvere z taj CD-ROM :)
unix.309novim,
" niko mi ne odgovori na pitanje kako danamestim panasoinc cd-rom da mi
" radi po mL-om, a vidim da isti ima nekek drajvere z taj CD-ROM :)
Treba ti GNU C kompajler (i njegove biblioteke), kao i source za
kernel. Pri kompajliranju (make config) prijaviš tip CD-ROM drajva, a
imaš i da čačkaš po jednom od fajlova da bi prijavio tačnu adresu.
unix.310novim,
" Treba kernel sa emulacijom. Ako je novim zaboravio to pri mejku,
" vrijeme je za prvi bugfix u vidu novog kernela :). Da se ne uplase oni
" koji su to vec skinuli, nece morati sve ponovo, max 300kb DL.
Već je ovde (na Sezamu) nedelju dana. (Valjda ćemo posle praznika
prebaciti Jukin mL još negde).
Usput, ovako nekako stoji sa kompajliranjem kernela:
- 16 MB RAM-a: 5 minuta;
- 8 MB RAM-a: 20 minuta;
- 4 MB RAM-a: 4 sata.
Trenutno (zbog zamene ploče, memorije etc.) ja sam na dnu. Novi
kerneli (odvojeno za 486 i 386 bez koproc.) biće za desetak dana.
Potom, u maju, radimo na 4 disketi (uucp, i slične stvari). Mnogo bi
pomoglo ako bi mi oni koji troše Jukin mL javili za svaki problem na
koji nalete (čak i ako su ga rešili), posebno ljudi koji počinju -
njima je, pre svega, namenjena ta distribucija.
unix.311novim,
" Ja bih predlozio da u YUCCA-inoj distribuciji ide kernel 1.2.4
" Ovo su moji predlozi kao "clana" organizacije:)))Mozete ih usvojiti
Ma ok je to, svakako. - Nego zašto si "član"?
unix.312vlad,
> pomoglo ako bi mi oni koji troše Jukin mL javili za svaki problem na
> koji nalete (čak i ako su ga rešili), posebno ljudi koji počinju -
> njima je, pre svega, namenjena ta distribucija.
Posto sam ja apsolutni pocetnik, ajd' da se javim B).
Problema sa instalacijom nisam imao i, koliko sam video, sve radi
kako treba. Nisam primetio nikakve probleme sa emulacijom
koprocesora (imam AMD 486DX2/80).
Muka je samo u tome sto nemam nikakvu literaturu pa nabadam kako
sta stignem. Skidao sam sa Sezama nekoliko arhiva sa uputstvima
koja su sve pre nego jasna, detaljna i sveobuhvatna. Dobro bi mi
dosla neka knjiga tipa parezanoviceve "Personalni racunari,
MS-DOS" ili "IBM PC, uvod u rad, DOS, BASIC". Sasvim mi odgovara
i neko ASCII uputstvo, otstampacu ga pa cu da citam. Bez toga mi
ne vredi mnogo da blenem u prompt i nabadam krajnje nepovezano i
bez reda B(.
unix.313postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: ELF
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:32:14 GMT
Prilikom kompajliranja Linux kernela, ponudjena je opcija
'Support for ELF binaries'. U doc i info fajlovima koje ja
posedujem ima veoma malo informacija o ELF-u, a hteo bih
da znam sta je to.
Da li neko zna sta su i cemu sluze ELF binaries?
unix.314postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: ELF
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 06:04:35 GMT
Aleksandar Markovic (alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> Prilikom kompajliranja Linux kernela, ponudjena je opcija
-> 'Support for ELF binaries'. U doc i info fajlovima koje ja
-> posedujem ima veoma malo informacija o ELF-u, a hteo bih
-> da znam sta je to.
Odgovori sa yes, ne pije vodu a moze dobro da dodje, a u vremenu koje
dolazi...
-> Da li neko zna sta su i cemu sluze ELF binaries?
ELF ce postati glavni format za executables i libraries pod Linuxom. To je
yet another binary format :), koji izmedju ostalog ekstremno olaksava rad sa
shared libraries (aka DLL).
unix.315postmast,
From: slobodan@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Slobodan Laskovic)
Subject: Re: Rezolucuja
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:16:02 GMT
Djdule (djdule@durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: QWK To: All
: Kako da u X-win smanjim velicinu virtualnog desktopa ? U Xconfig mi stoje
: konfiguracije za rezolucije 800x600 i 1024x768i, a desktop mi je uvek
: 1024x768 !!
: ---
: ■ SPEED 1.30 #514 ■ Ne registrujte Microsoft proizvode. Brisite ih !!!
:
unix.316postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 05:21:07 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Muka je samo u tome sto nemam nikakvu literaturu pa nabadam kako
-> sta stignem. Skidao sam sa Sezama nekoliko arhiva sa uputstvima
-> koja su sve pre nego jasna, detaljna i sveobuhvatna. Dobro bi mi
-> dosla neka knjiga tipa parezanoviceve "Personalni racunari,
-> MS-DOS" ili "IBM PC, uvod u rad, DOS, BASIC". Sasvim mi odgovara
-> i neko ASCII uputstvo, otstampacu ga pa cu da citam. Bez toga mi
-> ne vredi mnogo da blenem u prompt i nabadam krajnje nepovezano i
-> bez reda B(.
Na hobbiton WWW stranicama moze da se nadje "Linux Installation and
Getting Started" by Mat Welsh, sadrzaj je na dnu poruke. Ovo je ultimate
doc, a nije lose pogledati ni HOWTO dokumente (takodje na istom WWW, a ima
ih i na http://zmaj.etf), a ni ASCII verziju tih istih HOWTO (najsvjezija
tura je bas juce stigla na comp.os.linux.answers, ccitable na YU Usenet).
* Contents
* Preface
+ Audience
+ Organization
+ Acknowledgments
+ Credits and Legalese
+ Documentation Conventions
* 1 Introduction to Linux
+ 1.1 About This Book
+ 1.2 A Brief History of Linux
+ 1.3 System Features
+ 1.4 Software Features
o 1.4.1 Basic commands and utilities
o 1.4.2 Text processing and word processing
o 1.4.3 Programming languages and utilities
o 1.4.4 The X Window System
o 1.4.5 Networking
o 1.4.6 Telecommunications and BBS software
o 1.4.7 Interfacing with MS-DOS
o 1.4.8 Other applications
+ 1.5 About Linux's Copyright
+ 1.6 The Design and Philosophy of Linux
o 1.6.1 Hints for UNIX novices
o 1.6.2 Hints for UNIX gurus
+ 1.7 Differences Between Linux and Other Operating Systems
o 1.7.1 Why use Linux?
o 1.7.2 Linux vs. MS-DOS
o 1.7.3 Linux vs. The Other Guys
o 1.7.4 Other implementations of UNIX
+ 1.8 Hardware Requirements
o 1.8.1 Motherboard and CPU requirements
o 1.8.2 Memory requirements
o 1.8.3 Hard drive controller requirements
o 1.8.4 Hard drive space requirements
o 1.8.5 Monitor and video adapator requirements
o 1.8.6 Miscellaneous hardware
# 1.8.6.1 Mice and other pointing devices
# 1.8.6.2 CD-ROM storage
# 1.8.6.3 Tape drives
# 1.8.6.4 Printers
# 1.8.6.5 Modems
o 1.8.7 Ethernet cards
+ 1.9 Sources of Linux Information
o 1.9.1 Online documents
o 1.9.2 Linux on the World Wide Web
o 1.9.3 Books and other published works
o 1.9.4 USENET newsgroups
o 1.9.5 Internet mailing lists
+ 1.10 Getting Help
* 2 Obtaining and Installing Linux
+ 2.1 Distributions of Linux
o 2.1.1 Getting Linux from the Internet
o 2.1.2 Getting Linux from other online sources
o 2.1.3 Getting Linux via mail order
o 2.1.4 Getting Slackware
# 2.1.4.1 Slackware disk sets
# 2.1.4.2 Getting Slackware from the Internet
# 2.1.4.3 Getting Slackware on CD-ROM
# 2.1.4.4 Installation methods
+ 2.2 Preparing to Install Linux
o 2.2.1 Installation overview
o 2.2.2 Repartitioning concepts
o 2.2.3 Linux partition requirements
o 2.2.4 Repartitioning your drives
+ 2.3 Installing the Linux software
o 2.3.1 Booting Linux
o 2.3.2 Drives and partitions under Linux
o 2.3.3 Creating Linux partitions
o 2.3.4 Creating the swap space
o 2.3.5 Creating the filesystems
o 2.3.6 Installing the software
# 2.3.6.1 Installing Slackware with setup
o 2.3.7 Creating the boot floppy or installing LILO
o 2.3.8 Additional installation procedures
+ 2.4 Postinstallation procedures
+ 2.5 Running Into Trouble
o 2.5.1 Problems with booting the installation media
o 2.5.2 Hardware problems
# 2.5.2.1 Isolating hardware problems
# 2.5.2.2 Problems recognizing hard drive or controller
# 2.5.2.3 Problems with SCSI controllers and devices
o 2.5.3 Problems installing the software
o 2.5.4 Problems after installing Linux
# 2.5.4.1 Problems booting Linux from floppy
# 2.5.4.2 Problems booting Linux from the hard drive
# 2.5.4.3 Problems logging in
# 2.5.4.4 Problems using the system
* 3 Linux Tutorial
+ 3.1 Introduction
+ 3.2 Basic UNIX Concepts
o 3.2.1 Creating an account
o 3.2.2 Logging in
o 3.2.3 Virtual consoles
o 3.2.4 Shells and commands
o 3.2.5 Logging out
o 3.2.6 Changing your password
o 3.2.7 Files and directories
o 3.2.8 The directory tree
o 3.2.9 The current working directory
o 3.2.10 Referring to home directories
+ 3.3 First Steps into UNIX
o 3.3.1 Moving around
o 3.3.2 Looking at the contents of directories
o 3.3.3 Creating new directories
o 3.3.4 Copying files
o 3.3.5 Moving files
o 3.3.6 Deleting files and directories
o 3.3.7 Looking at files
o 3.3.8 Getting online help
+ 3.4 Summary of Basic Commands
+ 3.5 Exploring the File System
+ 3.6 Types of shells
+ 3.7 Wildcards
+ 3.8 UNIX Plumbing
o 3.8.1 Standard input and output
o 3.8.2 Redirecting input and output
o 3.8.3 Using pipes
o 3.8.4 Non-destructive redirection
+ 3.9 File Permissions
o 3.9.1 Concepts of file permissions
o 3.9.2 Interpreting file permissions
o 3.9.3 Dependencies
o 3.9.4 Changing permissions
+ 3.10 Managing file links
o 3.10.1 Hard links
o 3.10.2 Symbolic links
+ 3.11 Job Control
o 3.11.1 Jobs and processes
o 3.11.2 Foreground and background
o 3.11.3 Backgrounding and killing jobs
o 3.11.4 Stopping and restarting jobs
+ 3.12 Using the vi Editor
o 3.12.1 Concepts
o 3.12.2 Starting vi
o 3.12.3 Inserting text
o 3.12.4 Deleting text
o 3.12.5 Changing text
o 3.12.6 Moving commands
o 3.12.7 Saving files and quitting vi
o 3.12.8 Editing another file
o 3.12.9 Including other files
o 3.12.10 Running shell commands
o 3.12.11 Getting help
+ 3.13 Customizing your Environment
o 3.13.1 Shell scripts
o 3.13.2 Shell variables and the environment
# 3.13.2.1 The PATH environment variable
o 3.13.3 Shell initialization scripts
+ 3.14 So You Want to Strike Out on Your Own?
* 4 System Administration
+ 4.1 About Root, Hats, and the Feeling of Power
o 4.1.1 The root account
o 4.1.2 Abusing the system
o 4.1.3 Dealing with users
o 4.1.4 Setting the rules
o 4.1.5 What it all means
+ 4.2 Booting the System
o 4.2.1 Using a boot floppy
o 4.2.2 Using LILO
+ 4.3 Shutting Down
+ 4.4 Managing Users
o 4.4.1 User management concepts
o 4.4.2 Adding users
o 4.4.3 Deleting users
o 4.4.4 Setting user attributes
o 4.4.5 Groups
+ 4.5 Archiving and Compressing Files
o 4.5.1 Using tar
o 4.5.2 gzip and compress
o 4.5.3 Putting them together
+ 4.6 Using Floppies and Making Backups
o 4.6.1 Using floppies for backups
o 4.6.2 Using floppies as filesystems
+ 4.7 Upgrading and Installing New Software
o 4.7.1 Upgrading the kernel
o 4.7.2 Upgrading the libraries
o 4.7.3 Upgrading gcc
o 4.7.4 Upgrading other software
+ 4.8 Managing Filesystems
o 4.8.1 Mounting filesystems
o 4.8.2 Checking filesystems
+ 4.9 Using a swap file
+ 4.10 Miscellaneous Tasks
o 4.10.1 System startup files
o 4.10.2 Setting the hostname
+ 4.11 What To Do In An Emergency
o 4.11.1 Recovering using a maintenance diskette
o 4.11.2 Fixing the root password
o 4.11.3 Fixing trashed filesystems
o 4.11.4 Recovering lost files
o 4.11.5 Fixing trashed libraries
* 5 Advanced Features
+ 5.1 The X Window System
o 5.1.1 Hardware requirements
o 5.1.2 Installing XFree86
o 5.1.3 Configuring XFree86
o 5.1.4 Filling in video card information
o 5.1.5 Running XFree86
o 5.1.6 Running into trouble
+ 5.2 Accessing MS-DOS Files
+ 5.3 Networking with TCP/IP
o 5.3.1 Hardware Requirements
o 5.3.2 Configuring TCP/IP on your system
# 5.3.2.1 Your network configuration
# 5.3.2.2 The networking rc files
# 5.3.2.3 /etc/hosts
# 5.3.2.4 /etc/networks
# 5.3.2.5 /etc/host.conf
# 5.3.2.6 /etc/resolv.conf
# 5.3.2.7 Setting your hostname
# 5.3.2.8 Trying it out
o 5.3.3 SLIP Configuration
# 5.3.3.1 Static IP address SLIP connections using dip
# 5.3.3.2 Static IP address SLIP connections using slattach
# 5.3.3.3 Dynamic IP address SLIP connections using dip
o 5.3.4 Using dip
+ 5.4 Networking with UUCP
+ 5.5 Electronic Mail
+ 5.6 News and USENET
* A Sources of Linux Information
+ A.1 Online Documents
+ A.2 Linux Documentation Project Manuals
+ A.3 Books and Other Published Works
o A.3.1 Using UNIX
o A.3.2 Systems Administration
o A.3.3 The X Window System
o A.3.4 Programming
o A.3.5 Kernel Hacking
* B Linux Vendor List
* C FTP Tutorial and Site List
+ C.1 Starting ftp
+ C.2 Logging In
+ C.3 Poking Around
+ C.4 Downloading files
+ C.5 Quitting FTP
+ C.6 Using ftpmail
+ C.7 Linux FTP Site List
* D Linux BBS List
+ D.1 United States
+ D.2 Outside of the United States
* E The GNU General Public License
+ E.1 Preamble
+ E.2 Terms and Conditions for Copying, Distribution, and Modification
+ E.3 Appendix: How to Apply These Terms to Your New Programs
* Index
* About this document ...
unix.317postmast,
From: rade+@osmeh (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: cancel <D7y40I.6yK@fon>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:11:57 GMT
Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1]
unix.318vlad,
> istom WWW, a ima ih i na http://zmaj.etf), a ni ASCII verziju tih
> istih HOWTO (najsvjezija tura je bas juce stigla na
> comp.os.linux.answers, ccitable na YU Usenet).
E, kad bih ja znao da koristim WWW, http i ostalu kriptografiju
ne bi mi bas trebalo uputstvo za totalne pocetnike. Sadrzaj mi
izgleda vredan paznje ali mi je nacin da dodjem do istog vise
nego nerazumljiv. Moze li negde i nekako da se dobije lepo jedan
.zip sa ascii tekstom unutra (tek sam naucio da se ulogujem na
unix).
unix.319slom,
> Imam problem sa instalacijom stampaca pod SCO UNIX-om 3.2. 4.2.
> Stampac je Epson LX-400, pod DOS-om savrseno funkcionise na LPT1.
> Uradio sam setovanje (mkdev lp), probao sam sve konbinacije,
> ali prijavljuje gresku "Failed to open the printer port".
Jel ti prepoznaje paralelni port pri dizanju sistema ?
(pogledaj sta pise u liniji)
%parallel trt mrt
unix.320postmast,
From: damir@osmeh (Damir Barjaktarevic)
Subject: talk
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 17:18:12 GMT
Imam jedan problem sto se tice talka. Kad pokusam da nekoga talkujem on
mi javlja "You don't exist. Go away". Zna li neko sta bi to moglo da
bude.
Vozdra, Damir
--
damir@unitop.elfak.ni.ac.yu
damir@efnis.elfak.ni.ac.yu
unix.321postmast,
From: damir@osmeh (Damir Barjaktarevic)
Subject: shared library
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 17:22:41 GMT
Zna li neko kako da ukljucim shared library kad kompajliram X window
program pod Ultrixom. Bez toga mi i najmanji programi zauzimaju po 2
megabajta.
Vozdra, Damir
--
damir@unitop.elfak.ni.ac.yu
damir@efnis.elfak.ni.ac.yu
unix.322postmast,
From: bole@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: XF86_SVGA
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:38:16 GMT
Pomagajtee :)
I tako, ja odlucio da probam xwindowse:) I sve ide lepo do druge diskete
... I na toj x2 disketi ima grescica.. odn. fajl x2.ddi koji sam dobio nije
bas ok.. (tako kaze diskdupe). Greska je na fajlu koji kad se otpakuje
sadrzi XF86_SVGA. Da li to neko moze da mi dostavi BILO kojim putem...
Najbolje mi mailnite na bole@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu jel tu cesto citam postu..
Pozdrav & HVALA unapred!
unix.323postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: talk
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 21:53:02 GMT
Damir Barjaktarevic (damir@osmeh) reche:
/* >Imam jedan problem sto se tice talka. Kad pokusam da nekoga talkujem on
/* >mi javlja "You don't exist. Go away". Zna li neko sta bi to moglo da
/* >bude.
/* >Vozdra, Damir
Najbolje je da se preko tog procesa ulogujesh ponovo...
Znaci telnet 0 pa sve ponovish shta si hteo...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
... This is an ignore, please test...
unix.324postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: (potencijalna) Najava knjige (bilo je: Re: unix)
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 14:25:52 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Muka je samo u tome sto nemam nikakvu literaturu pa nabadam kako
: sta stignem. Skidao sam sa Sezama nekoliko arhiva sa uputstvima
: koja su sve pre nego jasna, detaljna i sveobuhvatna. Dobro bi mi
: dosla neka knjiga tipa parezanoviceve "Personalni racunari,
: MS-DOS" ili "IBM PC, uvod u rad, DOS, BASIC". Sasvim mi odgovara
: i neko ASCII uputstvo, otstampacu ga pa cu da citam. Bez toga mi
: ne vredi mnogo da blenem u prompt i nabadam krajnje nepovezano i
: bez reda B(.
Zdravo,
Ja sam pre izvesnog vremena poceo da pisem neku literaturu za
Unix za pocetnike. Razlog je taj sto mi se cini da na nasem jeziku nema
adekvatne literature, a na dva mesta (na Osmehu koji administriram, kao
i u "Vinci" gde drzim kurseve) sam primoran da ljudima pokazujem neke
stvari vezane za koriscenje ovog operativnog sistema.
Elem, zanima me tvoje misljenje, ali i misljenje drugih korisnika
news-a, da li je ovakva literatura potrebna, kao i sta bi voleli da vide
u jednoj takvoj knjizi.
Stvari kod mene stoje tako da sam, od 10 predvidjenih poglavlja,
do sada napisao 6 celih, a da jedno privodim kraju. Problem je, medjutim,
da u narednom periodu necu imati preterano puno slobodnog vremena, pa
mislim da je realno za knjigu (koja ce, naravno, izaci u izdanju YUCCA-e)
predvideti da ce izaci negde na leto (mozda cak i kraj leta).
To bi bilo to, knjiga ce, ja bar mislim, dobro doci i pocetnicima,
ali i naprednijim Unixovcima, da srede svoje utiske o ovom operativnom
sistemu.
Pozdrav,
Rade Zonjic
unix.325postmast,
From: arhimed@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Life
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:03:18 GMT
MAM ja
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
unix.326skerl,
│ Na hobbiton WWW stranicama moze da se nadje "Linux Installation and
│ Getting Started" by Mat Welsh, sadrzaj je na dnu poruke. Ovo je
│ ultimate
└────
Koga ne mrzi nek pogleda i http://www.vin.bg.ac.yu/Uputstva/UNIX/ldp/
To je Linux Documentation Project sa sunsite.unc.edu-a.
Pozdrav,
Skerl.
unix.327vlad,
Subject: (potencijalna) Najava knjige
> Elem, zanima me tvoje misljenje, ali i misljenje drugih korisnika
> news-a, da li je ovakva literatura potrebna, kao i sta bi voleli da
> vide u jednoj takvoj knjizi.
Mislim da je vise nego potrebna i drzim ti palceve iz sve snage
da istrajes i posao dovedes do kraja. Isplatice se i tebi i nama B).
Koliko sam uspeo da se raspitam, dobre literature za ucenje
UNIX-a nema ni na engleskom tako da ti je ovaj poduhvat dvostruko
pionirski.
> Stvari kod mene stoje tako da sam, od 10 predvidjenih poglavlja,
> do sada napisao 6 celih, a da jedno privodim kraju. Problem je,
Kad si vec toliko odmakao bilo bi lepo da nam bacis neki "demo"
ili makar sadrzaj, pa da ispovrnemo konkretnije utiske i
sugestije.
> To bi bilo to, knjiga ce, ja bar mislim, dobro doci i pocetnicima,
> ali i naprednijim Unixovcima, da srede svoje utiske o ovom
> operativnom sistemu.
Ako je uradis dobro, sto ne sumnjam, bice sigurno korisna svima.
Ja volim da procitam dobru knjigu za apsolutne pocetnike cak i u
oblastima u kojima sam odmakao daleko od prvih koraka. Cesto se
tu nadje puno zrnaca novog znanja, a staro se dobro utvrdi.
Mislim da treba da negujes pristup koji podrazumeva korisnika
koji je vec uglavnom "na ti" sa DOS-om, ali ne treba da se toga
bas slepo drzis. Dolazi vreme kad prosecan korisnik nece znati ni
posteno da koristi tastaturu, o komandnoj liniji da ne govorimo.
S druge strane, ni UNIX nije bas OS za prosecnog korisnika. Sve u
svemu, imaj u vidu coveka koji se zblane kad vidi "Login:", ali
znaj da taj hoce UNIX ozbiljno da nauci.
Nadam se da ti ovaj pogled iz mog coseta nesto znaci i da sam
pomogao da knjiga bude sto bolja. Jos jednom, svaka podrska s
moje strane.
Pozdrav, Vladan.
unix.328kuki,
> Elem, zanima me tvoje misljenje, ali i misljenje drugih korisnika
> news-a, da li je ovakva literatura potrebna, kao i sta bi voleli da vide
> u jednoj takvoj knjizi.
Definitivno je potrebna :) Kod nas ne nedostaje samo literatura za unix na
našem jeziku, već nedostaje bilo kakva literatura za unix... Ona knjiga
"unix-vodič za korisnike" nije dovoljno dobra... (da ne kažem da je bedna).
unix.329violator,
:>>sadrzi XF86_SVGA. Da li to neko moze da mi dostavi BILO kojim
:>>putem...
Imaš skoro ceo linux na UBBG anonymous FTP-u, pa i xwin...
unix.330.marko.,
-->> Jel ti prepoznaje paralelni port pri dizanju sistema ?
-->> (pogledaj sta pise u liniji)
-->> %parallel trt mrt
Da, bila je fora u paralelnom portu, nisam ukapirao sta tacno,
uglavnom kad sam ponovio instalaciju i uradio mkdev parallel,
proradilo je.
U svakom slucaju hvala!
unix.331ddobic,
Interesuje me koja je minimalna konfiguracija za mL tj da li moze da se
instalira na 286, makar i neka skromna varijanta.
Kako se postaje clan YUCCA?
pozdrav Dragoslav
unix.332ikordic,
RE: Dev tools
(CIVILIZACIJA.9:cyber.culture/13.5, smarkov)
=> Kad sam kod trendova koji su prilično značajni a kod nas nepoznati - da
=> li neko koristi TCL/Tk kombinaciju (PD softver, za razvoj korisničkog
=> interfejsa, interpretira se, sa Berkley poreklom - u USA, prema
=> izveštajima prijatelja, jako popularan). Koristim ga pod LINUX-om -
=> oduševljen sam (ne toliko funkcionalnošću koliko zaista divnim idejama).
=> Ukratko - VB funkcionalnost u 200K C source-a.
Pretpostavljam da pratis ovu temu :) pa 'ajde malo detaljnije o ovome, tim
pre ako je sve ovo PD. Da li je to deo neke distribucije?
unix.333novim,
" Interesuje me koja je minimalna konfiguracija za mL tj da li moze da se
" instalira na 286, makar i neka skromna varijanta.
Minimum za mL je 386-ica, 4 MB RAM-a, 20 MB na hard disku.
" Kako se postaje clan YUCCA?
5 dinara godišnje članarine, ali najpre pošalji mail na
EHristod@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
pa će ti Mališa odgovoriti broj računa itd.
unix.334madamov,
rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic) wrote:
> Ja sam pre izvesnog vremena poceo da pisem neku literaturu za
> Unix za pocetnike.
> Elem, zanima me tvoje misljenje, ali i misljenje drugih korisnika
> news-a, da li je ovakva literatura potrebna, kao i sta bi voleli da vide
> u jednoj takvoj knjizi.
Moje mišljenje je da je potrebna. Samo napred.
unix.335postmast,
From: zoranp@fon (Zoran Petrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 04:49:49 GMT
Dragan Miljkovic (inforts@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
> Imam SCSI disk od 1.2 GB prikacen na DCE376 Mulex Cache Controler.
> Nemam uputstvo za kontroler ali imam diskete (jedna za DOS i dve za SCO UNIX).
> Na DOS disketi je UTIL program za dijagnostiku i particioniranje i on javlja:
>
> ### PARAMETERS ###
> No Drive ID Heads Cyls Sect/Trk Sect.Size Capacity
> 0 0 15 2540 63 512 1229 MB
>
> ### DISPLAY PARTITIONS ###
> Number Status Type Start Size
> 1 A 6 0 1022
> 2 N 153 1023 1517
>
> Na obe particije je instaliran DOS, prva (C:) se automatski vidi a druga (D:)
> se dobija pomocu drajvera koji se uzima sa DOS diskete.
>
> Poceo sam instalaciju SCO ODT 3.0.
Prethodno se ubije druga particija, istim programom kojim je
i kreirana.
OPASNOST: SCO UNIX mora da ima root particiju ISPOD 1024 cilindara
> opciju - Use Rest Disk for UNIX -. Kako iskoristiti dve diskete za SCO UNIX,
> tu se sigurno nalazi neki drajver. Diskete su u UNIX formatu pa ne mogu da ih
> procitam iz DOS-a.
> Video sam u jednoj raspravi nesto kao "posle poruke boot: a pre pritiska
> na ENTER za nastavak, linkujte drajvere sa diskete". Kako?
> Pozdrav Dragan
Imas diskete na kojima se nalazi boot-time loadable driver, sintaksa je
sledeca, na boot prompt
Boot
:
dodati zavisno od tipa kontrolera, na primer za DPT je to
restart link=dptr disable=dpt
Za Adaptec AIC-7700 je to samo
link=arad
Da ne bi duzili sa primerima moras znati sintaksu za Mylex. Fajl
efs140 koji imas na FON-u ili UBBG-u sadrzi dosta informacija za
vise SCSI kontrolera, Adaptec AIC-7770, NCR, DPT i IBM, nema za
tvoj kontroler.
Za krajnju nuzdu pozovi telefon 021-411-533. To je broj firme
COMTEC u Novom Sadu koji su radili sa Mylex kontrolerima.
Najjednostavnije ti je da napravis IMAGE fajl diskete, i sa nekim editorom
pretrazis doticni i nadjes pravu sintaksu, svesce se nesto na
Boot
: link=mylex
Pozdrav!
PS.
Javi rezultat.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zoran V. Petrovic IRITEL zoranp@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
epetrovi@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.336postmast,
From: aleck@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Vacic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 07:07:49 GMT
Aleksandar Markovic (alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: : P.S. Da li na SEZAM-u postoje vece brzine od 2400bps?
: Bice. Za nekoliko godina :)
Sezam(u stvari neshtoshto se tko zove iz miloshte,a shta je tek tje da se
vidi) pocheo da radi na 14400 probno,tj. prenesene su svekonferencije i
datoteke zakljuchno sa 15.4.'95.Taj novi Sezam je 5km od starog,pa stoga ide
ona opaska odgore.
--
+========================================================================+
|| Vacic Aleksandar |&| Elektrotehnichki Fakultet Beograd ||
|| email: aleck@sezam.co.yu aleck@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu ||
|| aleck@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu vacic_01293d@buef31.etf.bg.ac.yu ||
+========================================================================+
unix.337postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: XF86_SVGA
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 13:18:11 GMT
Bosko Radivojevic (bole@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Pomagajtee :)
: I tako, ja odlucio da probam xwindowse:) I sve ide lepo do druge diskete
: ... I na toj x2 disketi ima grescica.. odn. fajl x2.ddi koji sam dobio nije
: bas ok.. (tako kaze diskdupe). Greska je na fajlu koji kad se otpakuje
: sadrzi XF86_SVGA. Da li to neko moze da mi dostavi BILO kojim putem...
: Najbolje mi mailnite na bole@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu jel tu cesto citam postu..
Imas na hobbiton-u u /pub/XFree-3.1.1/SVGA.tar.gz.
Imam i ja to.
Imas (mislim) na ubbg-u tamo gde je distribucija potrazis drugu disketu
pa onda taj fajl sto je los..
unix.338postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:56:14 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> > istom WWW, a ima ih i na http://zmaj.etf), a ni ASCII verziju tih
-> > istih HOWTO (najsvjezija tura je bas juce stigla na
-> > comp.os.linux.answers, ccitable na YU Usenet).
-> E, kad bih ja znao da koristim WWW, http i ostalu kriptografiju
-> ne bi mi bas trebalo uputstvo za totalne pocetnike. Sadrzaj mi
Za WWW (http je skracenica za protokol po kom WWW radi) dovoljno je da
kucas npr.
lynx http://www.etf
i nalazis se na ETF WWW, protrci malo i naci ces HOWTO-e.
Na hobbiton-u (za nalog posaljes meni mail, ako zelis da zoves Zvornik)
kucas samo lynx i na osnovnoj strani je onaj Installation.... Tekst je oko
160kb .gz, ali najnoviju verziju u .txt obliku nemam, samo kao html.
-> izgleda vredan paznje ali mi je nacin da dodjem do istog vise
-> nego nerazumljiv. Moze li negde i nekako da se dobije lepo jedan
-> .zip sa ascii tekstom unutra (tek sam naucio da se ulogujem na
-> unix).
Postscript, LaTeX ili WWW format, po zelji :). Samo, ne svracam na Sezam,
pa ces morati ti da svrnes na neki drugi sistem, ili da neko drugi posalje
to na Sezam.
unix.339postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 14:39:27 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
/* >Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
/* >-> > istom WWW, a ima ih i na http://zmaj.etf), a ni ASCII verziju tih
/* >-> > istih HOWTO (najsvjezija tura je bas juce stigla na
/* >-> > comp.os.linux.answers, ccitable na YU Usenet).
/* >-> E, kad bih ja znao da koristim WWW, http i ostalu kriptografiju
/* >-> ne bi mi bas trebalo uputstvo za totalne pocetnike. Sadrzaj mi
/* > Za WWW (http je skracenica za protokol po kom WWW radi) dovoljno je da
/* >kucas npr.
/* > lynx http://www.etf
Ovo nista ne znaci!
/* > i nalazis se na ETF WWW, protrci malo i naci ces HOWTO-e.
Pa nece bash moci tako lako.:-))))))
Mora se pravilno kucati ovako:
lynx http://zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu/
a kako je server vec postavljen on ce se referencirati na
home-page systema ETFovih WWW prezentacija...
Uzivajte... Za pocetnike postoji odgovarajuci tekst i FAQ
oko WWWa na zmaj-evom gopheru... Znaci treba kucati
gopher zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
i pronaci informacija na :
Etf/Informacija o.../Tekstovi o najpoznatijom servisima Interneta..../
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
I thought I was a wit, and I was half right.
unix.340postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:06:47 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> /* > lynx http://www.etf
-> Ovo nista ne znaci!
-> /* > i nalazis se na ETF WWW, protrci malo i naci ces HOWTO-e.
-> Pa nece bash moci tako lako.:-))))))
->
-> Mora se pravilno kucati ovako:
->
-> lynx http://zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu/
E mati, da znas kako je dijete roditi :)))
Da si ziv i zdrav, ono sto sam mu ja otkucao ima ladno da radi sa ETF i
FON masina, osim ako nesto nije mijenjano zadnjih dana u DNS tabelama.
-> Uzivajte... Za pocetnike postoji odgovarajuci tekst i FAQ
-> oko WWWa na zmaj-evom gopheru... Znaci treba kucati
WWW FAQ je zaista neophodno stivo za ovaj nano Web po BGD... :) Bolje da
ljudi to i ne citaju, da im ne rastu zazubice previse :).
unix.341postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: www.etf, for bane (bjese Re: YU-Internet hosts list 05/95)
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:10:11 GMT
Miroslav Hristodulo (malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Subject: YU-Internet hosts list 05/95
-> Archive-name: yu-int/yu-int.list.9505
-> Last-modified: Mon 1 May 1995 22:16 GMT+1
[...]
-> gopher.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
-> news.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
-> www.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.342postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:34:57 GMT
Samo jedno kratko obavestenje...
zmaj.etf = www.etf = gopher.etf = news.etf ... mozda ima i jos:)
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.343postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: www.etf, for bane (bjese Re: YU-Internet hosts list 05/95)
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:41:28 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
/* >-> gopher.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
/* >-> news.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
/* >-> www.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
Ma sve je to ljepo i krasno, al coveka treba nauciti da to radi
prema host-u gde je vec instaliran WWW server. Pored toga na ETFu je
barem u ovom trenutku u radu 3 servera, tako da je to to.
Zato moje pametnice ostavite to za internu upotrebu i ne zbunjujte
ljude sa suvishnim podacima kada ni ono najosnovnije nisu josh
savladali...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
To get a loan you must prove you don't need it.
unix.344postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:43:24 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
/* > WWW FAQ je zaista neophodno stivo za ovaj nano Web po BGD... :) Bolje da
/* >ljudi to i ne citaju, da im ne rastu zazubice previse :).
Kako da protumacim rec "nano" i kompletan kontekst izrecenih
stvari...?
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
Its rarely fun, never easy, and always expensive!
unix.345postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:46:02 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
> nego nerazumljiv. Moze li negde i nekako da se dobije lepo jedan
> .zip sa ascii tekstom unutra (tek sam naucio da se ulogujem na
> unix).
Imas to sto ti treba na Sunrise-u. Doduse nije jedan gzip, nego
vise (svaki FAQ - jedan) :-) Ako hoces nalog, posalji zahtev mail-om.
unix.346postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: www.etf, for bane (bjese Re: YU-Internet hosts list 05/95)
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:34:57 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
-> /* >-> gopher.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
-> /* >-> news.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
-> /* >-> www.etf.bg.ac.yu (a) zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
-> Ma sve je to ljepo i krasno, al coveka treba nauciti da to radi
-> prema host-u gde je vec instaliran WWW server. Pored toga na ETFu je
-> barem u ovom trenutku u radu 3 servera, tako da je to to.
Nemam obrazovne ambicije, i samo ukazujem covjeku na najprostiji nacin da
vidi WWW HOWTO-e, tocka.
-> Zato moje pametnice ostavite to za internu upotrebu i ne zbunjujte
-> ljude sa suvishnim podacima kada ni ono najosnovnije nisu josh
-> savladali...
lynx http://www.etf je suvisno??????????
EOD
unix.347postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:39:26 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
-> /* > WWW FAQ je zaista neophodno stivo za ovaj nano Web po BGD... :) Bolje da
-> /* >ljudi to i ne citaju, da im ne rastu zazubice previse :).
-> Kako da protumacim rec "nano" i kompletan kontekst izrecenih
-> stvari...?
Znas sta je nano? 10^(-9) necega. Mozda malo precjenjujem, ali piko je ipak
premaleno. :)
WWW je ipak WORLD WIDE Web.
A zazubice ima da rastu kad ljudi pogledaju kako to izgleda negdje tamo,
nadam se da te to nije uvrijedilo.
Covjeka i ne zanima Web, barem ne sada, vec HOWTO i Linux Getting Started,
remember? Ili si se izgubio u talasima ?:)
unix.348mdave,
Subject: Re: www.etf, for bane (bjese Re: YU-Internet hosts list 05/95)
[Reply to PC.OS.5/unix:343 (bane@zmaj.etf.bg)]
> Zato moje pametnice ostavite to za internu upotrebu i ne zbunjujte
> ljude sa suvishnim podacima kada ni ono najosnovnije nisu josh
> savladali...
Pa sve je bilo jaaako prosto dok se ti nisi uključio. :) A što se
tiče dragishe-pametnice; čovek toliko zna o unix-u i komunikacijama da
može da napravi jednog Branislava_Subotića/Belgrade_Serbia_YUGOSLAVIA/
bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu iz Linux scripta za 10 min (sa sve maSHinom,
naravno). ;)
unix.349vitez.koja,
#=> Elem, zanima me tvoje misljenje, ali i misljenje drugih
#=> korisnika news-a, da li je ovakva literatura potrebna,
#=> kao i sta bi voleli da vide u jednoj takvoj knjizi.
Ono što je vladu (i ne samo njemu:) potrebno je "Unix
administrator's getting started guide", ne "Unix getting
started guide". Potonjih već ima u velikim količinama, npr.
UNIXTRNG.ZIP koji postoji na UBBGu i koji je vrlo dobar (mislim
da ga ima i na sezamu).
unix.351zeljkoj,
Danima sam skidao ovaj YUCCA Mini Linux sa Sezama. Dok ga nisam skinuo,
'igrao sam se' sa Mini Linuxom od onog Portugalca. :) Uglavnom je sve radilo
ok. Pre nekoliko sati sam konačno instalirao ovaj 'domaći' Linux, i izgledalo
je da sve lepo radi, ali... Posle jednog resetovanja (sasvim regularnog - sa
tastature, Linux je sve lepo sredio i resetovao mašinu), umesto da se učita
DOS, dočekala me je poruka 'Missing operating sistem'. Digao sam sistem sa
diskete. Pristup hard disku nije bio moguć (Invalid media type). Nekako sam
instalirao Procomm sa diskete na ram disk i pozvao Sezam. Pošto sam ustanovio
da nemam NDD na disketama (baš sam pre neki dan slučajno preformatirao Rescue
disketu), zamolio sam prisutne u chatu za pomoć. :) Majtoski mi je poslao NDD.
NDD je ustanovio da je zabrljana particiona tabela i boot sektor, a delimično
i FAT. Uspeo je sve da sredi, tako da nisam imao nikakve štete, ali je sve
moglo mnogo gore da se završi. ;) E sad, zbog čega se ovo dogodilo? Da li to
znači da taj Mini Linux ima neki bag?
unix.352postmast,
From: rade+@osmeh (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 09:23:09 GMT
Igor Kordic (ikordic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: RE: Dev tools
: (CIVILIZACIJA.9:cyber.culture/13.5, smarkov)
: => Kad sam kod trendova koji su prilicno znacajni a kod nas nepoznati - da
: => li neko koristi TCL/Tk kombinaciju (PD softver, za razvoj korisnickog
: => interfejsa, interpretira se, sa Berkley poreklom - u USA, prema
: => izvestajima prijatelja, jako popularan). Koristim ga pod LINUX-om -
: => odusevljen sam (ne toliko funkcionalnoscu koliko zaista divnim idejama).
: => Ukratko - VB funkcionalnost u 200K C source-a.
: Pretpostavljam da pratis ovu temu :) pa 'ajde malo detaljnije o ovome, tim
: pre ako je sve ovo PD. Da li je to deo neke distribucije?
--
Radivoje Zonjic, SysAdm @ OSMEH, Belgrade, Yugoslavia, EUROPE!
unix.353postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Re: Amipro 2.0 under Dosemu0.6
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 22:38:13 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric wrote:
: Na stranu sto dosemu0.60 brlja pri mejku :)
Evo resenja za uspesno kompajliranje dosemu0.60.1, za sve one koji
nisu instalirali (ili nemaju) X header fileove tako da dosemu-ov make ne
detektuje X support i pokusa da kompajlira dosemu bez podrske za Xwindows.
Problem (barem kod mene) je bio u fajlu mouse.c koji je u
/usr/src/dosemu-0.60.1/mouse/ direktorijumu. Ispred linuje 895 tog fajla
treba dodati novu liniju:
#ifdef X_SUPPORT
a iza 896 linije treba dodati liniju:
#endif
Inace 895 i 896 linija glase:
If (config.X)
X_change_mouse_cursor();
Nakon ove manje 'hirurske intervencije' :) dosemu0.60.1 se kod mene
kompajlirao bez problema (bilo je 1 ili 2 warrning-a, ali nista ozbiljno), i
radi za sada savrseno (osim naravno Telemate-a 4.12 koji i dalje ne
detektuje odgovore (BUSY, CONNECT itd ) modema).
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.354novim,
" moglo mnogo gore da se završi. ;) E sad, zbog čega se ovo dogodilo? Da
" li to znači da taj Mini Linux ima neki bag?
Ne znam šta si sve radio na mašini da ti se desi to što ti se desilo.
Ja sam radio mL-u sve što mi je padalo na pamet (pa i više od toga ;),
pa se to nije dogodilo. Iskustva ostalih govore isto.
Verovatno si uradio nešto što nije trebalo. (Nije ni Linux za svako
dete ;).
unix.355dvesic,
Novim-e,
budi drug pa baci Yu mL na Sezam PRO da se malo ovajdimo :)
unix.356vcalic,
Vidim da su postale jako popularne instalacije Linux-a preko FAT
sistema. Samo bih da podsetim one koji se spremaju da instaliraju taj
mini-linux da obrate pažnju na veličinu klastera. Unix se po pravilu sastoji
od gomile sitnih fajlova, a to je slučaj i sa Linux-om. Svaki od tih malih
fajlova će pojesti po ceo klaster na FAT fajl sistemu. So, ako instalirate
Linux na DOS particiju koja je veća od 120M spremite se da umesto obećanih
7-8M ostanete bez bar 20M na disku.
Vlada
unix.357novim,
" budi drug pa baci Yu mL na Sezam PRO da se malo ovajdimo :)
Bačen je tamo još između petka i subote. Visi okačen o moj mail, sad
treba da ga neko od nadležnih prebaci u U:/UNIX dir. Zapakovan je kao
jedan ARJ fajl. Proverite na "brzom Sezamu" već večeras.
Od petka je takođe i na UBBG-u (anonymous ftp, čini mi se da na
Galebu), ali nadležni odande će već napisati gde, kako, kad tačno.
U petak sam i Payi dao diskete, pa će ga staviti uskoro i na FFS.
žim na svim ovim mestima bude okačen, neće biti teško skinuti ga brzim
modemima.
Moja zahvalnost svim administratorima ovih mreža! :)
unix.358novim,
" fajlova će pojesti po ceo klaster na FAT fajl sistemu. So, ako
" instalirate Linux na DOS particiju koja je veća od 120M spremite se da
" umesto obećanih 7-8M ostanete bez bar 20M na disku.
Napisao sam bio, već u onim porukama uz mL, da je za instalaciju
potrebno 20-ak MB na disku. No, podsećanje nikad nije suvišno.
Ps: Verzija mL-a koja je sada bačena na Sezam Pro, UBBG i FFS je
verzija sa kernelom koji u sebi ima emulaciju i za matematički
koprocesor za 386-ice. Ima još neke sitne novvosti, od kojih je
najvažniji već prekonfigurisan dial-in. žim se taj fajl pojavi za
skidanje, poslaću jedno šire uputstvo ("čim" ipak shvatiti "za koji
dan" ;).
unix.359zeljkoj,
> Ne znam šta si sve radio na mašini da ti se desi to što ti se
> desilo.
Isto što sam radio i sa onim porugalskim Mini Linuxom + što sam pokušao
da startujem DOS emulator.
> Verovatno si uradio nešto što nije trebalo. (Nije ni Linux za
> svako dete ;).
?
unix.360wizard,
> NDD je ustanovio da je zabrljana particiona tabela i boot sektor, a
> delimično i FAT. Uspeo je sve da sredi, tako da nisam imao nikakve štete,
> ali je sve moglo mnogo gore da se završi. ;) E sad, zbog čega se ovo
> dogodilo? Da li to znači da taj Mini Linux ima neki bag?
Slično se (u stvari isto) desilo i jednom prijatelju sa onim
portugalskim mini Linux-om. Problem je bio što je on pokušavao da
kreira swap fajl.
unix.361vlad,
> Za WWW (http je skracenica za protokol po kom WWW radi) dovoljno je
> da kucas npr.
>
> lynx http://www.etf
A odakle, odnosno sta treba pre toga da uradim? Na koji sistem
treba da budem logovan, koji shell i kako se poziva... Previse
pitanja, ali sta cu kad ne znam odgovore. Ubih se pokusavajuci da
kreiram datoteku .forward na Osmehu, da ne pominjem
komplikovanije stvari B(.
unix.362vlad,
> Mora se pravilno kucati ovako:
>
> lynx http://zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu/
>
> a kako je server vec postavljen on ce se referencirati na
> home-page systema ETFovih WWW prezentacija...
>
> Uzivajte... Za pocetnike postoji odgovarajuci tekst i FAQ
> oko WWWa na zmaj-evom gopheru... Znaci treba kucati
Kukuuuuu! Sad znam kako je pocetnicima kojima ja objasnjavam kako
da koriste racunar. Tek sad mi nista nije jasno. Morate shvatiti
da home-page, gopher, http... meni znace isto toliko koliko i
vama recimo "AM double speed telefoto" ili "Haselblad DIXEL 2000".
unix.363vlad,
> Imas to sto ti treba na Sunrise-u. Doduse nije jedan gzip, nego
> vise (svaki FAQ - jedan) :-) Ako hoces nalog, posalji zahtev
> mail-om.
A sad jos i GZIP! B)
Prosto me je sramota sto se svi trudite da mi pomognete, a ja
toliko pojma nemam da od vase pomoci nema vajde B(. Ostaje mi ili
da se uhvatim neke dobre knjige (sto mi je i bila i ostala
namera) ili da vas udavim pitanjima tipa "gde je dovraga taj any
key". Mislim da ce mi najveca pomoc ipak biti neki ascii fajl sa
pristojnim uputstvom za pocetnike ili bar FAQ. Posle cu da
postavljam malo cupavija pitanja B).
unix.364vlad,
> started guide". Potonjih već ima u velikim količinama, npr.
> UNIXTRNG.ZIP koji postoji na UBBGu i koji je vrlo dobar (mislim
> da ga ima i na sezamu).
Sve mi je dobro za pocetak, samo da konacno pocnem od neceg
upotrebljivog na mom nivou (ne)znanja. Taj UNIXTRNG nisam video
ovde, a bilo bi lepo da se neko angazuje po pitanju ubacivanja
istog na Sezam. Ako nisam dobro gledao, bicu zahvalan za pointer.
unix.365vlad,
> Novim-e,
>
> budi drug pa baci Yu mL na Sezam PRO da se malo ovajdimo :)
unix.366vcalic,
>> Napisao sam bio, već u onim porukama uz mL, da je za instalaciju
>> potrebno 20-ak MB na disku. No, podsećanje nikad nije suvišno.
OK, OK, nisam mislio na predviđenu količinu potrebnog prostora, već na
slack koji je prirodna stvar kod DOS-a i njegovog fajl sistema. Videh pre neki
dan kod čoveka portugalski mini Linux, prilično skresan. Linux-ov du je
prikazao zauzeće od 8-9M, 4DOS je prijavio 20M alociranog prostora!! U pitanju
je bio 420M disk, sa samo jednom DOS particijom, dakle klasteri od 8K.
Vlada
unix.367novim,
"> Verovatno si uradio nešto što nije trebalo. (Nije ni Linux za
"> svako dete ;).
"
" ?
No hf meant. - Jednostavnije: pazi kad se igraš s Unixom (Linuxom,
miniLinuxom). Nešto si otkucao što nije trebalo. Sam po sebi, mL je
siguran.
unix.368novim,
" prikazao zauzeće od 8-9M, 4DOS je prijavio 20M alociranog prostora!! U
" pitanju je bio 420M disk, sa samo jednom DOS particijom, dakle klasteri
" od 8K.
Ne samo to. Kad se uđe u mL, on napravi jedan svoj swap u veličini
radne memorije. Otuda je 20 MB ono što treba imati pre instalcije.
Taj swap NIJE isto što i swap koji se pravi da bi se tako proširila
radna memorija (dodavanjem kvazi-RAM-a sa diska).
Da podsetim, kad već o tome pričamo, swap se pravi ovako:
$ dd if=/dev/zero of=moj-swap bs=1024 count=8196
(ovim se pravi fajl "moj-swap" od 8 mega)
$ mkswap moj-swap 8196
$ sync <────────────────────────────────────┐
$ swapon moj-swap <────────────────────────────────────┤
(ovim poslednjim se aktivira swap) │
│
I tako svaki put - poslednje dve komande, po ulasku u Linux. ───┘
unix.369vcalic,
>> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=moj-swap bs=1024 count=8196
>> (ovim se pravi fajl "moj-swap" od 8 mega)
>> $ mkswap moj-swap 8196
>> $ sync <────────────────────────────────────┐
>> $ swapon moj-swap <────────────────────────────────────┤
Na užas svih Unixovaca koji mrze Windows, i svih Windowsovaca koji
mrze Unix ;)) može i ovako:
$mkswap /DOS/386spart.par velicina_swap_fajla
$swapon /DOS/386spart.par
Što će reći da Linux i Windows mogu da dele swap fajl ;))
Vlada
unix.370ddobic,
Pitanje je bilo o UNIX literaturi za pocetnike.
Ja sam koristio od Petera Silvestera "UNIX - vodic kroz sistem" u
izdanju Mikro knjige. Knjiga je razumljiva i sadrzi dosta podataka.
Knjiga koja me je opredelila da se bavim UNIX-om je
"UNIX Relational Database Management"
Application Development in the UNIX Environment.
Autori su Rod Manis, Evan Schaffer i Robert Jorgensen. Izdavac je
PRENTICE HALL.
U toj knjizi je sa malo reci objasnjena filozofija UNIX-a i prikazane
prednosti UNIX-a nad drugim operativnim sistemima. Uz upotrebu samo
shell-a i alata kao sto su awk, grep, cat i dr. napravljena je kompletna
aplikacija za finasijsko poslovanje (u americkim uslovima). Ta aplikacija
je detaljno prikazana. Knjigu svima toplo preporucujem. Procitajte makar
prvih 20 strana. Razmisljacete drugacije o stvarima za koje ste mislili
da ih dobro poznajete.
unix.371zeljkoj,
> portugalskim mini Linux-om. Problem je bio što je on pokušavao
> da kreira swap fajl.
I ja sam. :) :( Na portugalskom je radilo, ali ovde... ne!
unix.372zeljkoj,
> miniLinuxom). Nešto si otkucao što nije trebalo. Sam po sebi,
> mL je siguran.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nije siguran čim može da mi dozvoli da tako nešto uradim.
unix.373zeljkoj,
> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=moj-swap bs=1024 count=8196
> (ovim se pravi fajl "moj-swap" od 8 mega)
> $ mkswap moj-swap 8196
> $ sync
> <────────────────────────────────────┐ $ swapon moj-swap
> <────────────────────────────────────┤ (ovim poslednjim se
> aktivira swap) │ │
> I tako svaki put - poslednje dve komande, po ulasku u Linux.
> ───┘
Jaoooo... Imao sam ovo negde zapisano, ali nisam mogao da nadjem.
Onda sam isprobavao razne kombinacije sa mkswap, swapon i ostalim komandama
koje u imenu imaju 'swap'. :)) Mislim da je disk oštećen posle kucanja:
mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
Tj, nije bilo problema odmah, nego tek posle reseta.
unix.374smarkov,
>=> Kad sam kod trendova koji su prilično značajni a kod nas nepoznati - da
>=> li neko koristi TCL/Tk kombinaciju (PD softver, za razvoj korisničkog
>=> interfejsa, interpretira se, sa Berkley poreklom - u USA, prema
>=> izveštajima prijatelja, jako popularan). Koristim ga pod LINUX-om -
>=> oduševljen sam (ne toliko funkcionalnošću koliko zaista divnim idejama).
>=> Ukratko - VB funkcionalnost u 200K C source-a.
>
> Pretpostavljam da pratis ovu temu :) pa 'ajde malo detaljnije o ovome, tim
> pre ako je sve ovo PD. Da li je to deo neke distribucije?
Šta TCL čini "različitim" ? Da li je to samo još jedan shell jezik ? Koje su
aplikacije u kojima TCL može da bude korisno upotrebljen.
TCL je jezik, isto ime ima i odgovarajući interpreter. Zamišljen je kao
jezik/interpreter koji se lako uključuje u ostatak aplikacije organizovane
u nekom (pre svega C/C++) "pravom" kompajliranom jeziku. TCL NIJE vezan
isključivo za UNIX. UNIX je izvorno okruženje za TCL - postoje portovi
na DOS, WINDOWS i MAC (i, naravno SVE UNIX-e).
TCL je PD softver. Kao takav možete ga smatrati igračkom - daleko od istine...
Postoje mnoge komercijalne aplikacije koje su realizovane (podrazumevajući
jezgro u C-u) u ovom jeziku. Najvažnija nadgradnja TCL-a (koja celu stvar
zapravo čini zanimljivom) je TK - toolkit za izgradnju X11 aplikacija. Izgled
i funkcionalnost ovih aplikacija ne zaostaje za onim napravljenim u Motif-u,
recimo. Izmedju ostalih portova Tk postoji, u vrlo uspešnoj varijanti i za
MS WINDOWS 3.1+.
Tcl/Tk je "izum" Prof. John Ousterhout-a sa, u to vreme, Berkley-ja.
Danas Ousterhot, sa ekipom koju je formirao, radi za SUN - isključivo na
daljem (komercijalnom) razvoju Tcl/Tk-a. Bilo je mnogo rasprave na mreži o
tome kako će se ovo odraziti na PD karakter ovog softvera - postojeće verzije
ostaju PD softver. Mnogi ljudi, kao i u slučaju LINUX-a, rade i radiće na
Tcl/Tk nadgradnjama.
Iako ne smatram previše značajnim, pošto je to danas moderno, pomenuću i XF -
alat za interaktivno dizajniranje Tk aplikacija (znate ono - ovo je push
button, kad se pretisne :) onda se pokrene ova procedura koju otkucaš
u prozorčetu - fuj !).
Koncept za aplikaciju u kojoj učestvuje Tcl/Tk podrazumeva da se jezgro
aplikacije napiše u C-u (jezgro - dakle organizuje informaciona baza i
skup servisa koji operišu sa tom bazom). Za ovako realizovano jezgro se
napišu C rutine koje su TCL callable - ostatak funkcionalnosti se (uključujući
i korisnički interfejs) realizuje u TCL/Tk kombinaciji.
Na raspolaganju su mnoge (PD) ekstenzije od kojih su najvažnije:
- itcl - objektno (po modelu po kom se C++ naslanja na C) proširenje jezika.
Nastao jer su ljudi počeli da pišu 200000 linija u Tcl/Tk-u.
- sqltcl Pristup SQL bazama direktno iz TCL. Postoji takva ekstenzija za
Oracle, Ingres, Sybase.
- blt Tk ekstenzija za grafičku prezentaciju.
- midi
Konačno, sav gore pomenuti softver je na raspolaganju (zajedno sa sourcetom
u svakoj varijanti) u Beogradu. Sa zadovoljstvom ću ga, zajedno sa ostalim
informacijama o ovom zaista izuzetnom jeziku, staviti na raspolaganje
zainteresovanim skupinama/pojedincima ;). Uvek ide sa iscrpnim man-ovima -
konačno lepo je osećanje da za program koji razvijate ne koristite, hm ...,
preskupo plaćeni Borland 4.5 ili Visual C++ ili ne daj bože ;) VB...
Osnovni literaturu čine (alternativno) knjige Prof. Ousterhot-a i
izvesnog Brenta Weltcha (Tcl/Tk odnosno Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk
respektivno - Addison Wesley i Prentice Hall). Draft obe knjige postoji u
postscript-u, kome je tako lakše ...
LINUX fanovi imaju, verovatno, osnovne komponente ovog softvera instalirane.
Probajte : wish -f widget (wish je Tcl/Tk interpreter).
Sledeći put - GIFĆIĆ sa "scenom" iz Tk aplikacije ...
unix.375novim,
Evo ga sad tamo, na Sezamu Pro, u jednom komadu.
U:\UNIX>dir
yuccaml1 arj 4365819 YUCCA distribucija Linuxa
Fajlovi ranije okačeni u PC.OS ovde, na starom Sezamu, obrisani su.
Objašnjenja (od 15. aprila) tamo i dalje važe, a za koji dan će biti
dodato novo kratko uputstvo uz ovu distribuciju; biće takođe u istom
U:\UNIX dir-u na Sezamu Pro.
Tnx to Dejanr! :)
unix.376novim,
" Nije siguran čim može da mi dozvoli da tako nešto uradim.
Unix, kao i svaki softver, radi ono što mu se kaže, ukoliko je
zadovoljen uslov sintaksičke ispravnosti naredbe. Nemoguće je
predvideti sve situacije, čitav mogući kontekst za ispravnu sintaksu
ali naopak i gadan efekt naredbe.
čao mi je što se desilo to što se tebi desilo, ali je naprosto
činjenica da na par desetina mašina mL radi sasvim ok. Na Unixu nije
teško pogrešiti, naročito ako si "root". Šta je tačan uzrok havarije
kod tebe moglo bi se znati tek kad bismo imali tačne podatke o stanju
mašine pre toga, uključujući i log svih naredbi koje si zadao.
Inače, source svega za Linux, pa i mL je svima dostupan - tu verovatno
ima i bagova, ali se u tome ovaj Jukin mL ne razlikuje od ma koje
druge distribucije.
Ps: videh i narednu poruku, pa je sad uzrok jasan.
Mogli bismo inače da otvorimo i konkurs za greške pod Unixom. Recimo,
prošlog leta sam premeštao neke direktorijume pa umesto mv otkucao rm
(i otišlo je par megabajta, skupo dovlačenih s Interneta). ;)
unix.377novim,
" UNIX je izvorno okruženje za TCL - postoje portovi
" na DOS, WINDOWS i MAC (i, naravno SVE UNIX-e).
+ OS/2.
unix.378ikordic,
RE: Stabilan Unix
=> Nije siguran čim može da mi dozvoli da tako nešto uradim.
:))) E argument ti je... :)
Pa kad radis kao root, sve ti je "dozvoljeno" - sta tu ima OS da ti se pravi
pametan? Zato i vazi preporuka da sto manje stvari radis kao isti :) I
naravno - prethodno detaljno pogledas dokumentaciju, jer Unix-i, za razliku
od ostatka sveta, nisu preterano fool-proof ;)
unix.379ikordic,
RE: TCL
Najpre, puno hvala na odgovoru.
=> TCL je jezik, isto ime ima i odgovarajući interpreter. Zamišljen je kao
Mmmm, ... Znaci TCL sors ce trcati na pobrojanim platformama bez ikakvih
modifikacija? Obzirom da se radi o interpreteru, potreban je samo eksterni
interpreter koji ce interpretirati TCL p-code, yes? Recimo, neki .EXE za DOS
ili .DLL za Win? Ili interpreter postaje deo izvrsnog programa, kao neki
run-time library? Ili...
Ovaj, jel' ti problem da das neko kratko primerce? :) Ima li neki INFO fajl
uz to cudo?
Ako smatras da treba, mozemo se prebaciti i u cccc, obzirom na temu?
unix.380smarkov,
> Ovaj, jel' ti problem da das neko kratko primerce? :) Ima li neki INFO fajl
> uz to cudo?
> Ako smatras da treba, mozemo se prebaciti i u cccc, obzirom na temu?
Za nestrpljive, na sajmu je (Institut Mijalo Pupin, odjel Automatika) jedna
mašina sa LINUX-om (i aplikacijom prenesenom sa IBM-ovog AIX-a). Možete
zamoliti da vam pokažu Tcl/Tk primerčiće (xref Stevan Marković).
> Mmmm, ... Znaci TCL sors ce trcati na pobrojanim platformama bez ikakvih
> modifikacija? Obzirom da se radi o interpreteru, potreban je samo eksterni
> interpreter koji ce interpretirati TCL p-code, yes? Recimo, neki .EXE za
Ja ga sada koristim na AIX-u (IBM-ov UNIX za RISC6000 računare), LINUX-u
i WINDOWS-u.
P.S Smatrao sam da ovde nema reklame za IMP :).
unix.381vcalic,
>> Nije siguran čim može da mi dozvoli da tako nešto uradim.
Nema ni jednog operativnog sistema na svetu koji će ti zabraniti da u
root direktorijumu uradiš nešto poput del *.* /qyzsx u 4DOS-u, ili rm -R * u
Unix-u. Naravno, ako imaš privilegije za to.
Vlada
unix.382vcalic,
>> Onda sam isprobavao razne kombinacije sa mkswap, swapon i ostalim
>> komandama koje u imenu imaju 'swap'. :)) Mislim da je disk oštećen posle
>> kucanja: mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
CCC, crni Linuxovci, zar ste spali na to da vam mrzitelji Unix-a
podučavaju bratiju ;>
Elem, pošto niko od Linuxovaca nije, evo ja ću da napišem nešto na tu
temu. Linuxova komanda mkswap je prvenstveno namenjena za, uslovno rečeno,
formatiranje Linuxove swap particije. Shodno tome, komanda mkswap primenjena
na particiju predstavlja prilično opasan zahvat ako dođe do greške u navođenju
particije.
Kada Linux radi sa svojim native fajl sistemom, onda je najbolja
varijanta dodeliti mu dve particije, jednu za sam Linux, drugu za swap. Pri
instalaciji se sa mkswap particija velicina i particija je spremna za
swapovanje. Kasnije je dovoljno dodati jedno swapon -a u fajlove za
inicijalizaciju i Linux će sam aktivirati swap-ovanje. Ovo instalacioni
programi u Slackware-u rade po defaultu.
Kod UMSDOS fajl sistema, (sa kojim radi i miniLinux) stvari idu malo
drugačije. Obzirom da je prvenstvena namena ovog fajl sistema da se omogući
rad Linux-a, a da se pritom izbegne reparticioniranje diska, otpada varijanta
sa swap particijom i vraća se u igru pojam swap fajla. Dakle, komanda mkswap
kao argument MORA imati ime fajla a ne ime particije, u suprotnom, lako može
da se desi da podaci zauvek nestanu. Kao što već napisah, ako na disku postoji
i Windows, njegov swap fajl je idealno mesto za Linux swap. Pošto je teško
očekivati da će Linux i Windows ikada raditi zajedno ;) nema nikakvih
problema, neće se buniti ni jedan ni drugi, a glupo je trošiti tolike
megabajte za dva swap-a kad je jedan dovoljan ;) Ako nema Windowsa, već je
nekoliko puta navedeno kako se swap fajl kreira komandom dd.
Dakle, rezime: kod MiniLinux-a i ostalih UMSDOS instalacija, nikako ne
treba koristiti mkswap particija velicina, vec mkswap swapfajl velicina.
Obzirom da Linux nema nacina da sazna koji mu je swap fajl treba mu to reci
svaki put pri startovanju, idealan način za to je dodavanje linija:
/sbin/mkswap ime_fajla velicina
/sbin/swapon ime_fajla
na početak datoteke /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Nakon toga će pri svakom
startovanju UMSDOS Linux-a biti aktiviran i swap.
Vlada
------------
Unix sucks!!!!
unix.383vitez.koja,
#=> Slično se (u stvari isto) desilo i jednom prijatelju sa
#=> onim portugalskim mini Linux-om. Problem je bio što je
#=> on pokušavao da kreira swap fajl.
Kuku i lele ;)) Ja nisam ni znao u kakvoj sam se golemoj
opasnosti izloio kada sam pravio swap ;)
Nego, napravim ja swap fajl, ali svaki put moram da ga aktiviram
sa swapon :( što je zamorno. Gde treba šta da dodam ? :)
unix.384novim,
">> Onda sam isprobavao razne kombinacije sa mkswap, swapon i ostalim
">> komandama koje u imenu imaju 'swap'. :)) Mislim da je disk oštećen
">> posle kucanja: mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
"
" CCC, crni Linuxovci, zar ste spali na to da vam mrzitelji Unix-a
" podučavaju bratiju ;>
Ljudi ne čitaju, a lepo je pisalo u mojoj poruci uz drugi fajl JUCCA
distribucije mL-a:
===============================
4.197 PC.OS.5:unix
novim, 15.04.95. 04:06, 2426 chr
---------------------------------------------------------
Linux - YUCCA distribucija
--------------------------
(v. 1.0.1: L10YUCCA.002 (729,519) f. 2/6)
/.../
Virtualna (swap) memorija se može dodati u toku rada sledećim postupkom:
"dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count=4096"
"mkswap swapfile 4096"
"sync"
"swapon swapfile"
Time smo fizičkom RAM-u dodali još 4Mb (4096 Kb) virtualne memorije,
tako da ih kernel vidi zajedno. Isključuje se naredbom "swapoff"; posle
toga swapfile se može i obrisati ("rm swapfile").
/.../
----------------------------------------------- 4.197 ---
** Uz poruku 'l10yucca.002' (729519 bytes)
Odnosno: žITAJTE BAREM ONO ŠTO VEĆ PIŠE UZ JUKIN ML. ;)
unix.385novim,
" RE: TCL
" Ovaj, jel' ti problem da das neko kratko primerce? :) Ima li neki INFO
" fajl uz to cudo?
Imam TCL ("tikl") book (kao fajl). Ako treba, mogu poslati na "onaj"
Sezam (Pro BA! - valja "Brzi Aploud", a? :))
Tikl je zaista izvrstan.
unix.386novim,
" Nego, napravim ja swap fajl, ali svaki put moram da ga aktiviram
" sa swapon :( što je zamorno. Gde treba šta da dodam ? :)
U fajlu /etc/rc.d/rc.local dodaj taj red, sa putanjama itd.
Na primer:
/sbin/swapon /root/swapfile
unix.387ganta,
Da li je neko uspeo da mu pod mL radi Microsoft bus miš? :-(
unix.388novim,
" Da li je neko uspeo da mu pod mL radi Microsoft bus miš? :-(
Ako govorimo u Jukinom mL-u, onda meni radi taj tip. Ali, ja sam
namestio (misleći da najviše ljudi ima običan Genius) kao početnu
vrednost Mouse Systems. Ne može se znati šta ko ima, miševa je raznih,
a najzgodniji su oni koji mogu da emuliraju ostale.
To vredi za program selection. Stvar se može promeniti u fajlu
/etc/rc.d/rc.local gde se stavlja umesto "msc" neka druga vrednost.
Za Miscroft miša taj red bi glasio: "selection -t ms &".
(Vrednost je posle uputa -t za tip miša: ms je Microsoft, msc je Mouse
Systems, logi je Logitech itd.)
(Kako je u portugalskom mL-u, to treba pitati Portugalca. ;))
unix.389vlad,
> Ja sam koristio od Petera Silvestera "UNIX - vodic kroz sistem" u
> izdanju Mikro knjige. Knjiga je razumljiva i sadrzi dosta podataka.
Bas danas sam dobio novi katalog Mikro knjige i u njemu naravno i
tu knjigu. Izgleda da ce da padne ozbiljno narucivanje posto
moram jos kojesta od njih da pazarim.
> "UNIX Relational Database Management"
> Application Development in the UNIX Environment.
Ovo mi, bar po naslovu, deluje kao nesto cega cu se mozda
uhvatiti u sledecem koraku. Hvala za savet u svakom slucaju.
unix.390ikordic,
RE: TCL
=> Za nestrpljive, na sajmu je (Institut Mijalo Pupin, odjel Automatika)
=> jedna mašina sa LINUX-om (i aplikacijom prenesenom sa IBM-ovog AIX-a).
=> Možete zamoliti da vam pokažu Tcl/Tk primerčiće (xref Stevan Marković).
Bejah. Ufff... ;)
Od TCL-a su imali samo neke graficke primere sa gomilom grafikona i
matematika i slicnih stvari. Elem, "sors" koji sam tom prilikom gledao je
bio nerazumljiv do bola... nadam se samo zato sto se radilo o grafikonima sa
silinama brojki. Ako i inace izgledaju 'nako, neki CASE u fazonu neke Visual
Dev razvojne okoline je must! A i bili su vsi u frki pa se gledanje &
maltretiranje desavalo na brzaka...
Inace se masina desava na Linux & XWin & Motif na 17" monitoru i 486DX/2 80
MHz. Covece, pa ono bukvalno letiii...
(novim)
=> Imam TCL ("tikl") book (kao fajl). Ako treba, mogu poslati na "onaj"
=> Sezam (Pro BA! - valja "Brzi Aploud", a? :))
Pliz du so :)
unix.391zeljkoj,
> Dakle, rezime: kod MiniLinux-a i ostalih UMSDOS instalacija,
> nikako ne treba koristiti mkswap particija velicina, vec mkswap
> swapfajl velicina.
Hvala na objašnjenju.
> Unix sucks!!!!
Naravno!
unix.392inforts,
Kako se na SCO ODT 3.0 koristi on-line dokumentacija?
našao sam, pomoću 'sysadmsh' - opcija 'software' da postoji:
- Entire on-line documentation set
- Performance and troubleshooting guide
- GUI OS Services Manual Pages
- i tako dalje......
kojom komandom se to poziva?
Pozdrav Dragan
unix.393ikordic,
RE: man pages
=> Kako se na SCO ODT 3.0 koristi on-line dokumentacija?
man?
unix.394inforts,
RE: Pomoć oko instaliranja 1.2 GB SCSI diska sa Mulex dce376 kontrolerom
RE: na SCO ODT 3.0
Trebalo je, kod boot-a sa N1 diskete, kada se pojavi:
:boot
otkucati:
link <Enter>
onda program pita šta da linkuje i upiše se:
sdce376 <Enter>
zatim se nastavlja instalacija sa N1. Tek kasnije instalacioni program
traži disketu sa BTLD drajverom (disketa je stigla sa kontrolerom).
Prvo sam probao da mi početni cilindar bude 1022. i program me je upozorio da
neće biti mesta za boot. Ignorisao sam upozorenje da vidim šta će da bude.
UNIX je probao da se startuje odatle ali nije uspeo. Zatim sam reparticionirao
disk tako da je od 1-70. cilindra primarna DOS particija zatim sledi UNIX
particija i proteže se daleko preko 1024-tog. Tek posle toga je druga DOS
particija. Za SCO je potrebno da između početnog i 1024 cilindra bude dovoljno
mesta za boot.
Hvala na pomoći - Dragan.
unix.395inforts,
RE: man?
Lako je kada znam sta je argument za man, na primer man ls ili man mail.
Kako da dobijem spisak svih referenci na koje se man odnosi?
Nešto poput man *.* (celokupna dokumentacija) ili
man Performance and troubleshooting guide (poglavlje).
unix.396dvesic,
Za Linux majstore :)) (Novim-e ? :)
Sledi izvestaj fdisk -l :
Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 1049 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 1 82 41296+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda2 83 83 1023 474264 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 83 83 286 102784+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda6 287 287 530 122944+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda7 531 531 774 122944+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda8 775 775 1023 125464+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
U cemu je problem ? Pa, proglasio sam u dosemu.conf za startnu
particiju /dev/hda1 1 ; pre toga sam uradio jedno :
mkpartition /dev/hda 1
Rezultat: kucanje "DOS" mi smrzne celu masinu :(((
Sta raditi ?
Pozdrav,
Dejan
P.S. Ovo saljem iz MiniCom-a :)
unix.397ikordic,
RE: man
=> Kako da dobijem spisak svih referenci na koje se man odnosi?
Probaj man -a "*", mada ne'am pojma zašta bi to moglo da ti posluži...
unix.398postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:21:14 GMT
Vlada Calic (vcalic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: /sbin/mkswap ime_fajla velicina
: /sbin/swapon ime_fajla
: na pocetak datoteke /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Nakon toga ce pri svakom
: startovanju UMSDOS Linux-a biti aktiviran i swap.
Mislim da ne bi trebalo bas svaki put pri dizanju da se izvrsi
/sbin/mkswap ;). Dizanje ce trajati brze ako se to izbaci...
unix.399postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:26:35 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: " RE: TCL
: " Ovaj, jel' ti problem da das neko kratko primerce? :) Ima li neki INFO
: " fajl uz to cudo?
: Imam TCL ("tikl") book (kao fajl). Ako treba, mogu poslati na "onaj"
: Sezam (Pro BA! - valja "Brzi Aploud", a? :))
: Tikl je zaista izvrstan.
Tcl/Tk se dobije sa Linux Slackware distribucijom (i sve lepo radi).
U toj instalaciji se dobiju i primeri (demos direktorijum) i wish shell :)
Probao sam i video da sve lepo radi, hello world (legendarni) u 5 linija.
unix.400postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 11 May 95 09:28:35 CET
viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen) writes:
>Meni bih voleo da se javi onaj koji je koristio Tex u Linux-u duze od
>test minute ... jer je to osnovni kamen zbog kojeg ne prelazim tu
>granicu ...
Taj TeX imam al posto nikad nisam radio sa njim ne mogu da ti pomognem u
tom pitanju. Jedino mogu da ti dam ako ti treba...
-----
Dusan Djordjevic... djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu...
Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.401postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: pe.term.modem.linux
Date: Thu, 11 May 95 20:12:33 CET
Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Ognen Ivanovski) writes:
> Kako da moj modem postane terminal pod Linux-om. Ako nisam
> jasan: Recimo moj PC je kod kuche ukljuchen, ja sam u shkoli
> i treba mi neki fajl od mog PC-ja. Lepo javim se kuchi i
> moj Linux me docheka sa 'login:' stringom.
U /etc/inittab mu postavis da ti je jedan od terminala u stvari modem.
Nikad probao al' cuo da je tako, mislim da Dragisha to najbolje zna.
-----
Dusan Djordjevic... djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu...
Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.402postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: XFree86
Date: Thu, 11 May 95 23:43:05 CET
bole@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic) writes:
>slobodne memorije pa X koristi samo swap ... Ali na osam je jako lepo. E
>sad, kako da napravim groupe (po microsoftu), ili desktopove (po X desktop
>za sco) pa u njima nesto itd (programe itd, da ne moram uvek da odem u
>xterm pa pustim nesto...)?
E to zavisi od toga koji window manager koristis. Ako koristis Motif ili
Fvwm mozes da sva tri (ili dva) dugmeta miska napravis da kad kliknes na
njih dobijes meni, pa odatle nesto startujes. U Fvwm-u mozes da napravis
i dugmad po ekranu pa da klickes po njima do mile volje :))) Uzmi za to
primer koji se zove 4D?nesto? pa ga preuredjuj. Uzgred, taj primer je u
fazonu kopije Silicon Graphics-a, al meni bas ne lice. U principu uz svaki
window manager dobijes po nekoliko primera, jako fino izkomentarisanih.
Nisam siguran da mozes da na bilo kom od ovih pravis grupe, jerbo mi to
nije ni trebalo pa nisam probao. Cuo sam da to Open Look moze da radi al
je on do zla boga ruzan i ja sam ga brisnuo sa svoje masine...
-----
Dusan Djordjevic... djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu...
Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.403postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 03:20:25 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> Ma ok je to, svakako. - Nego zasto si "clan"?
Ok, lapsus calami (nadam se da se tako pise).
"Ja jesam clan"
Izjava data posle sletanja na surcinski aerodrom:)
Pozdrav,
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.404postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:26:47 GMT
MiniLinux YUCCA-e se od danas nalazi na anonymous FTP cvoru
UBBG na poziciji:
ftp://unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
yuccaml.arj
yuccaml.a01
yuccaml.a02
Zahvaljujem kolegi Novici Milicu na trudu oko distribucije ovog
software-a....
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
... CONNECT 300: (H)ang up, (S)cream, (B)uy new modem
unix.405postmast,
From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 19:12:40 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> MiniLinux YUCCA-e se od danas nalazi na anonymous FTP cvoru
>> UBBG na poziciji:
>>
>> ftp://unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
>> yuccaml.arj
>> yuccaml.a01
>> yuccaml.a02
>> Zahvaljujem kolegi Novici Milicu na trudu oko distribucije ovog
>> software-a....
>>
>> Pozdrav,
>> Bane
>>
>> =============================================================================
>> Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
>> =============================================================================
>> ... CONNECT 300: (H)ang up, (S)cream, (B)uy new modem
Zdravo,
Svaka cast ... cekali smo ;))
Pozdrav.
--
[eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.406postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Linux i CD, a problem
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 08:05:28 GMT
Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> Evo da dam sam sebi reply. Workbone i bilo koji drugi program, za
>> pustanje muzickih CD-a nije ni mogao da radi, jer driver za ATAPI CD-e nije
>> podrzavao funkcije za pustanje muzike u kernelu 1.2.4. Kada sam
>> iskompajlirao 1.2.7 kernel, sve radi besprekorno.
Ces, ces, a kako to meni sve radi i sa kernelom 1.2.4???
I radi bilo koji program za pustanje muzike.
More biti da kod nas u Jugi svaka verzija kernela ima jos
5-6 podverzija:))
Kada dodjes u RC pokazacu ti i da radi.Jedino sto kod mene si
mogao da izbacis CD dok je mountovan (sto ne valja) pa sam
morao malo da prepravim taj drajver po svom ukusu.Inace drajver
sam po sebi podrzava pustanje muzike.
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.407postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:27:48 GMT
Milos Dragicevic (mdave@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >> Zato moje pametnice ostavite to za internu upotrebu i ne zbunjujte
/* >> ljude sa suvishnim podacima kada ni ono najosnovnije nisu josh
/* >> savladali...
/* > Pa sve je bilo jaaako prosto dok se ti nisi ukljucio. :) A sto se
/* >tice dragishe-pametnice; covek toliko zna o unix-u i komunikacijama da
/* >moze da napravi jednog Branislava_Subotica/Belgrade_Serbia_YUGOSLAVIA/
/* >bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu iz Linux scripta za 10 min (sa sve maSHinom,
/* >naravno). ;)
A jel moze on to na SCOu mozda Ultrixu, HP-UXu?.:)))
Svaka cast ako moze.:))) Zanima me koliko te placa kao medijum
za reklamu i kako advokata?..:)))
Budi mi ti ziv i zdrav...
Pozdrav,
Bane
P.S. A shta sma ja tu zakomplikovao da mi je znati?
"pametnice" nije bio samo Dragishi upucen vec i Vecxi.:))
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
You're PC if you think a "chick" is a baby bird.
unix.408postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:29:05 GMT
Vladimir Maric (vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >Ono sto je vladu (i ne samo njemu:) potrebno je "Unix
/* >administrator's getting started guide", ne "Unix getting
/* >started guide". Potonjih vec ima u velikim kolicinama, npr.
/* >UNIXTRNG.ZIP koji postoji na UBBGu i koji je vrlo dobar (mislim
/* >da ga ima i na sezamu).
UNIXTRNG.ZIP nije Administrators Guide! Postoje za to posebne
knjigice.:)
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
Love of money is the root of all politics.
unix.409postmast,
From: acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Lazarevic)
Subject: InfoMagic CD
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 12:38:15 GMT
Elem, postovane kolege i koleginice :)))
Reko bolje da postujem ovo ovde nego u Oglase...
Docepao sam se nekoliko primeraka InfoMagic-ovog CD-a sa Linux
djindjuvama.Ustvari to je 4-CD Set od Marta 1995 i sadrzi Linux 2.1
distribuciju kao i tsx i jos neke manje + kompletan mirror
sunsite i funet direktorijuma i GNU arhivu.
Da sad ne bi trosio tastaturu i pisao sta sve ima,ko je zainteresovan
da kupi ovaj Set nek me mail-ne :)
Spisak arhiva je oko 2Mb dugacak....
AcaL
unix.410postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: mL
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 17:09:07 GMT
Samo da ponovim.:))))
Mini Linux se na UBBGu nalazi na anonymous FTPu i to:
/unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
u tri (3) fajla koji su podeljeni pomocu ARJa....
Za slucaj da Vam je lakshe, isti se nalazi i na anonymous FTP
ftp://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/*/*/* (to vec Vecxo bolje zna)..:)
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
What are you looking down here for? Read the message.
unix.412postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 01:13:16 GMT
Zahvaljujuci Novici YUCCA-ina miniLinux distribucija se nalazi
i na ubbg-u i na galeb-u.
ftp://ubbg.etf/unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
ftp://galeb.etf/Yucca/
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.414postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:27:46 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >> Mora se pravilno kucati ovako:
/* >>
/* >> lynx http://zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu/
/* >>
/* >> a kako je server vec postavljen on ce se referencirati na
/* >> home-page systema ETFovih WWW prezentacija...
/* >>
/* >> Uzivajte... Za pocetnike postoji odgovarajuci tekst i FAQ
/* >> oko WWWa na zmaj-evom gopheru... Znaci treba kucati
/* >Kukuuuuu! Sad znam kako je pocetnicima kojima ja objasnjavam kako
/* >da koriste racunar. Tek sad mi nista nije jasno. Morate shvatiti
/* >da home-page, gopher, http... meni znace isto toliko koliko i
/* >vama recimo "AM double speed telefoto" ili "Haselblad DIXEL 2000".
He, He pa razumem se ja i tu to koliko treba.:))) 'Vako..:)
home-page je naslovna strana neke prezentacije. One je obicno
file index.html, ali ne mora to da bude. Moze biti i joca.html
i drugacije vec po zelji... gopher je jedan system projektovan za
distribuciju informacija, servisa, fajlov etc.. u jednom najprostijem
mogucem obliku i svakako je namenjeno i pocetnicima i naprednijima...
to morash probati na licu mesta pa ce ti sve biti jasnije mnogo...
http je protokol namenjen za komunikaciju izmedju servera i
klijenta. Sam WWW je nastao pocetkom devedesetih za potrerbe
fizicara CERNa i tezilo se da im se omoguci shto je moguce
lakshi rad na Internet-u. Posle je zavladala manija i ostalo je
istorija. Danas s eputem WWWa rade stvar koje vam ni na pamet cega
pasti da se mogu prezentirati. Moguce je i kupovati preko WWWa,
razgledati izlozbe slika, gledati animacije, etc, etc, etc...
Problem je shto je mnogo ljudova ovde umeshalo prste i ljudima koji
pocinju napravili vecu zabunu.:))) Pored svega morate poceti od
necega, evo recimo od gopher-a pa zatim postepeno prelaziti na
savrshenije servise... Nishta se ne moze preko noci uraditi sem
deteta.:))))
Ako zatreba nekom pomoc neka mi se slobodno javi... Tu smo...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
"Graphic Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment."
unix.415postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:29:44 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >> Za WWW (http je skracenica za protokol po kom WWW radi) dovoljno je
/* >> da kucas npr.
/* >>
/* >> lynx http://www.etf
/* >A odakle, odnosno sta treba pre toga da uradim? Na koji sistem
/* >treba da budem logovan, koji shell i kako se poziva... Previse
/* >pitanja, ali sta cu kad ne znam odgovore. Ubih se pokusavajuci da
/* >kreiram datoteku .forward na Osmehu, da ne pominjem
/* >komplikovanije stvari B(.
Nauci za pocetak da radish makar u jednom editoru kako treba..
Od systema ti je dovoljan UNIX i osmeh je dobar za pocetak...
da bi prishao gopheru zmaj-a npr kucash:
gopher zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
Pocni polako da razgledash i nacicesh puno zanimljivih stvari za
sebe..
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
Anyone who remembers the 60's...wasn't there.
unix.416postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:33:36 GMT
Vladan Marinkovic (vlad@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >> Imas to sto ti treba na Sunrise-u. Doduse nije jedan gzip, nego
/* >> vise (svaki FAQ - jedan) :-) Ako hoces nalog, posalji zahtev
/* >> mail-om.
/* >A sad jos i GZIP! B)
GZIP je jedna vrsta arhivera i specifino je za njega da postize
dobre rezulatte sa TARom u zajednickom radu. Za njega je zanimljivo
da radi sa "tackastim" fajlovima odnosno arhivira jedan file samo.
Rad je veoma prost za za tebe je dovoljno da znash kako se arhivira
i kako dearhivira file.
arhiviranje:
gzip <file koji se arhivira>
dobija se <file koji se arhivira>.gz
npr gzip proba.txt a dobija se proba.txt.gz
dearhiviranje:
gzip -d <file koji unosimo>
primer gzip -d file.gz i dobijamo na kraju file
Toliko je dovoljno...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
I am not arguing with you, I'm telling you.
unix.417postmast,
From: electric@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Slobodan Strujic)
Subject: qqqqqq
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 15:54:11 GMT
unix.418postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: Re: Linux i CD, a problem
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:43:47 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina wrote:
: Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: >> Evo da dam sam sebi reply. Workbone i bilo koji drugi program, za
: >> pustanje muzickih CD-a nije ni mogao da radi, jer driver za ATAPI CD-e nije
: Ces, ces, a kako to meni sve radi i sa kernelom 1.2.4???
: I radi bilo koji program za pustanje muzike.
Pazi, gornja recenica je izvucena na osnovu sledece logike:
1. Workbone pod 1.2.4 kernelom nece da pusta muzicki CD
(barem kod mene).
2. U dokumentaciji za ide driver u 1.2.4 kernelu nigde se ne
pominju "music functions", za razliku od dokumentacije za 1.2.7 gde se iste
pominju a i muzicki CD svira.
Znaci bez ulazaka u source driver-a, a na osnovu predhodnog, doneo sam
gornji zakljucak. Ako sam izvrsio dezinformaciju - izvinjavam se.
: Kada dodjes u RC pokazacu ti i da radi.Jedino sto kod mene si
: mogao da izbacis CD dok je mountovan (sto ne valja) pa sam
: morao malo da prepravim taj drajver po svom ukusu.Inace drajver
: sam po sebi podrzava pustanje muzike.
OK, verujem ti da si uspeo da pustis muzicki CD, ali nije mi jasno,
kako sam ga ja, samo zamenom kernela naterao da proradi (nista drugo nije
menjano i mogu da potpisem da sam na isti nacin konfigurisao oba
kernela) ??? Jedini logican odgovor (barem po meni) je da tvoj i moj CDU55e
nisu iz iste serije, pa da se nesto razlikuje u firmware-u samog CD-ROM-a.
Sto se tice izbacivanja CD-a dok je mountovan ista stvar se desava i
kod mene i sa 1.2.4 i 1.2.7 kernelima (mountovao sam sa: mount /dev/cdrom
/mnt -t iso9660 -o ro, ako nesto znaci). Mogao bi da "bacis" ovde te izmene
koje lock-uju CD dok je mountovan).
BTW, javi mi mail-om kada da dodjem do RC-a ?
Pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.419postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Linux i YU slova
Date: Mon, 08 May 95 12:36:30 CET
Neko mi spominjase da zna kako da Linux nateram da radi sa nasim slovima.
Sta mi sve treba za to i kako da to sredim ?
-----
Dusan Djordjevic... djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu...
Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.420postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (SuperUser)
Subject: Ne spada ovde , ali...
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:46:45 GMT
Jes da sledeci text ne spada ovde ali verovatno ce ga ovde
najvise ljudi videti kojima je stalo uopste do takvih stvari.
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any underlying information or technology except in full compliance with
all United States and other applicable laws and regulations. In particular,
but without limitation, none of the Software or underlying information or
technology may be downloaded or otherwise exported or re-exported (i) into
(or to a national or resident of) Cuba, Haiti, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia,
North Korea, Iran, or Syria or (ii) to anyone on the US Treasury
Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the US Commerce
Department's Table of Deny Orders. By downloading the Software, you are
agreeing to the foregoing and you are representing and warranting that you
are not located in, under control of, or a national or resident of any
such country or on any such list.
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unix.421postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 05:45:50 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Jaoooo... Imao sam ovo negde zapisano, ali nisam mogao da nadjem.
-> Onda sam isprobavao razne kombinacije sa mkswap, swapon i ostalim komandama
-> koje u imenu imaju 'swap'. :)) Mislim da je disk ostecen posle kucanja:
-> mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
I naravno, prvo po Linuxu... :))
SNS, ova komanda je napravila malecki swap file na primarnoj pariticiji,
i dok je upisivana heder informacija za swap file, stradala je particiona
tabela. Sve u svemu, imao si srece :). Drugi put, kad budes bio samoubilacki
razpolozen, probaj
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=1024k count=500000 :))
-> Tj, nije bilo problema odmah, nego tek posle reseta.
Da, kad je pokusao da procita boot sektor.
unix.423postmast,
From: ps26989d@buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu (Pajic Srdjan)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:15:42 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>>mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
>>Tj, nije bilo problema odmah, nego tek posle reseta.
Ovako je, u vreme instalacije prvog Linuxa (kada nismo bas pucali
od znanja o recenom OS-u) jedan moj drug spalio fat tabelu na d:
disku.
Dakle, nije kriv mL, nego ti.
unix.424postmast,
From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:40:56 GMT
Pajic Srdjan (ps26989d@buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> >>mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
>> >>Tj, nije bilo problema odmah, nego tek posle reseta.
>> Ovako je, u vreme instalacije prvog Linuxa (kada nismo bas pucali
>> od znanja o recenom OS-u) jedan moj drug spalio fat tabelu na d:
>> disku.
>> Dakle, nije kriv mL, nego ti.
Zdravo,
Kada smo vec kod toga, jel' ono resenje koje je novim dao sigurno ...
Jel' sigurno pitao sam ;))
Za ostalo pogledati Maratonca ;))
Pozdrav.
--
[eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.425postmast,
From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:09:29 GMT
Viktor A. Obuljen (viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> Pajic Srdjan (ps26989d@buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> >> Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> >> >>mkswap /dev/hda1 4096
>> >> >>Tj, nije bilo problema odmah, nego tek posle reseta.
>> >> Ovako je, u vreme instalacije prvog Linuxa (kada nismo bas pucali
>> >> od znanja o recenom OS-u) jedan moj drug spalio fat tabelu na d:
>> >> disku.
>> >> Dakle, nije kriv mL, nego ti.
>> Zdravo,
>> Kada smo vec kod toga, jel' ono resenje koje je novim dao sigurno ...
>> Jel' sigurno pitao sam ;))
>> Za ostalo pogledati Maratonca ;))
>> Pozdrav.
>> --
>> [eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
Zdravo,
Opet ja odgovaram sam sebi ali sam bio veoma hrabar i probao i ovo i ono
resenje za koriscenje Windows permanent swap file i rade oba odlicno.
E, sada pitanje, gde se nalaze one definicije alias-a koje su default za
sve korisnike tj. gde se nalze komande koje su odgovarajuce .profile
ali vaze global-no?
Dakle, sigurno je, ali zube ne dam ;))
Pozdrav.
-- [eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.426postmast,
From: ps26989d@buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu (Pajic Srdjan)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:40:12 GMT
Viktor A. Obuljen (viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>>Opet ja odgovaram sam sebi ali sam bio veoma hrabar i probao i ovo i ono
>>resenje za koriscenje Windows permanent swap file i rade oba odlicno.
>>E, sada pitanje, gde se nalaze one definicije alias-a koje su default za
>>sve korisnike tj. gde se nalze komande koje su odgovarajuce .profile
>>ali vaze global-no?
Pre nekog vremena se na mrezi moglo naci uputstvo kako uraditi gore
pomenuto spajanje swap-ova. Ovo sto je vcalic rekao vazi za mL, koji
radi pod umsdos file sistemom, al' trebalo bi probati (ako je neko
probao, nek javi) da li je bezbedno proglasiti win swap za Linux
swap i ako je u pitanju 'normalna' instalacija linuxa (tj. da on
zauzima svoju particiju, radi sa svojim file sustavom ;) i sl.).
Sto se tice pitanja, za bash je fajl /etc/profile, za csh/tcsh
/etc/csh.profile (cini mi se).
unix.427postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Ne spada ovde , ali...
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:30:41 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> Jel' se ti sekiras zbog toga? Ti barem nisi iz Jugoslavije :)), a bogami
>> ni ja. Prema tome, mozes ladno da se ogradis :))).
Ma jok ja samo hocu da napomenem sta bi bilo da nije nas koji
ne podlezemo ovakvim sankcijama..:))
Ovako imamo sve van SRJ pa je ok..:)
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.428postmast,
From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 20:24:47 GMT
Pajic Srdjan (ps26989d@buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> Pre nekog vremena se na mrezi moglo naci uputstvo kako uraditi gore
>> pomenuto spajanje swap-ova. Ovo sto je vcalic rekao vazi za mL, koji
>> radi pod umsdos file sistemom, al' trebalo bi probati (ako je neko
>> probao, nek javi) da li je bezbedno proglasiti win swap za Linux
>> swap i ako je u pitanju 'normalna' instalacija linuxa (tj. da on
>> zauzima svoju particiju, radi sa svojim file sustavom ;) i sl.).
>> Sto se tice pitanja, za bash je fajl /etc/profile, za csh/tcsh
>> /etc/csh.profile (cini mi se).
Zdravo,
Jeste, i u ovom YUCCA Linux-u ne da ima svega i svacega preostalog u tom
file-u ;)) Jednostavno neko je samo dodavao za yu i ostalo ali cistio
nije nikako ;)) Ima tu i X11 i TeX-a i ostalog. Mene interesuje ono ok
TeX-a te cu to prepisati ;))
Sto se probe tice, to kada install-iram Linux ... ;))
Meni bih voleo da se javi onaj koji je koristio Tex u Linux-u duze od
test minute ... jer je to osnovni kamen zbog kojeg ne prelazim tu
granicu ...
Pozdrav.
--
[eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.430postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:12:34 GMT
Viktor A. Obuljen (viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> E, sada pitanje, gde se nalaze one definicije alias-a koje su default za
-> sve korisnike tj. gde se nalze komande koje su odgovarajuce .profile
-> ali vaze global-no?
/etc/profile za bash, /etc/csh.cshrc za csh/tcsh i /etc/zshrc za zsh.
unix.431postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: (potencijalna) Najava knjige (bilo je: Re: unix)
Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 13:39:02
RZ> Zdravo,
RZ>
RZ> Ja sam pre izvesnog vremena poceo da pisem neku literaturu za
RZ> Unix za pocetnike. Razlog je taj sto mi se cini da na nasem jeziku
RZ> nema adekvatne literature, a na dva mesta (na Osmehu koji
RZ> administriram, kao i u "Vinci" gde drzim kurseve) sam primoran da
RZ> ljudima pokazujem neke stvari vezane za koriscenje ovog operativnog
RZ> Elem, zanima me tvoje misljenje, ali i misljenje drugih korisnika
RZ> news-a, da li je ovakva literatura potrebna, kao i sta bi voleli da
RZ> vide u jednoj takvoj knjizi.
Svakako, tako nesto treba, mene bi jako zanimala takva knjiga ili
bilo kakav TXT file !
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unix.432postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: FoxPro for SCO
Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 20:38:03
Treba mi FoxPro za SCO Unix !
Imali ko ?
dule ;)
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unix.433postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: Dodata memorija
Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 09:01:05
SCO Unix
---------
Masina u kojoj je bilo 4MB memorije dodao sam jos 4MB. U pitanju su SIM moduli.
Nakon dodavanja 4MB, primetio sam da mi se desava izvesno usporenje kod ne-
kih FoxBase programa i jos kod nekih programa. Cudno, dodati jos 4MB a pri
tome da se desi usporenje sistema? Da li je potrebno pokrenuti neku proceduru
koja ce snimiti sistem i postaviti optimalne parametre ? Inace radi se o
386 masini, 40 Mhz, koja radi pod SCO Unix-om 3.2.2.
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unix.434postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: comm-prog za SCO
Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 10:20:08
Koji program koristite za komunikaciju iz SCO Unix-a. Ima na Panon-u
program "MINICOM" jako lici na Telix. Ima dobar Zmodem protokol !
Najbolje sto sam video za komunikaciju UNIX-BBS.
dule :)
--------
duplex@setnet.co.yu
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unix.435postmast,
From: milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milan Stojanovic)
Subject: Unix
Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 17:08:00 CET
QWK To: Vladan Marinkovic
> Imas to sto ti treba na Sunrise-u. Doduse nije jedan gzip, nego
> vise (svaki FAQ - jedan) :-) Ako hoces nalog, posalji zahtev
> mail-om.
VM> key". Mislim da ce mi najveca pomoc ipak biti neki ascii fajl sa
VM> pristojnim uputstvom za pocetnike ili bar FAQ. Posle cu da
VM> postavljam malo cupavija pitanja B).
Imas na osmehu nekih 40-tak FAQ fajlova za Linux. Lepo ukljucis log
fajl i prebacis.
Piksi.
P.S. Isto to imas i na Rolling Stones BBS-u :)
... Rak leci od pusenja!!!
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unix.436postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 05:12:45 GMT
Pajic Srdjan (ps26989d@buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Pre nekog vremena se na mrezi moglo naci uputstvo kako uraditi gore
-> pomenuto spajanje swap-ova. Ovo sto je vcalic rekao vazi za mL, koji
-> radi pod umsdos file sistemom, al' trebalo bi probati (ako je neko
-> probao, nek javi) da li je bezbedno proglasiti win swap za Linux
-> swap i ako je u pitanju 'normalna' instalacija linuxa (tj. da on
-> zauzima svoju particiju, radi sa svojim file sustavom ;) i sl.).
Naravno da je bezbjedno, dovoljno je da je mauntovana particija sa
win swap filetom. Medjutim, swap u file nije za uporediti sa swap u
particiju, a zanimljiva stvar (vidim da se ne cita FM :) je dijeljenje swap
particije izmedju win i linux, opisano u Tips-HOWTO.
unix.437postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: Re: FoxPro for SCO
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:02:19 GMT
Dusan Hadnadjev (duplex@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
> Treba mi FoxPro za SCO Unix !
> Imali ko ?
Pa nadje se po neko ;) .
A ima li ko da ga je poterao pod LINUX-om ?
Vukota
unix.438postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 14:04:38 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
/* >Viktor A. Obuljen (viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
/* >-> E, sada pitanje, gde se nalaze one definicije alias-a koje su default za
/* >-> sve korisnike tj. gde se nalze komande koje su odgovarajuce .profile
/* >-> ali vaze global-no?
/* > /etc/profile za bash, /etc/csh.cshrc za csh/tcsh i /etc/zshrc za zsh.
Dragisha crni Dragisha.:)) Pogreshi ti za csh makar..:))
Umesto /etc/csh.cshrc, mislim da covek misli na /etc/csh.login
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
I'm not dead, I'm metabolically challenged.
unix.439postmast,
From: acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Lazarevic)
Subject: OpenWin i XView
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:30:06 GMT
E pa eto i ja da se pohvalim da teram X Windows :)))
Sve sam lepo namestio i ukomponovo samo ima jos malo principijelnih
stvari koje ne shvatam :((
Sta u stvari predstavlja OpenWin i XView sistem i zasto mnogi programi
traze da teram ovu kombinaciju???
I ako vec traze XView jel mogu da poteram kombinaciju Fvwm i XView jer mi
se fvwm bas mnogo svidja (pogotovo boje ;))
A glavno pitanje je:
koje fontove trazi openwin da bi radio i gde se oni mogu promeniti (u kom
filu).Ovo pitam jerbo kad pokrenem 'opnewin' lepo vidim na sred ekrana
ono uokvireno Xview rel. BLA BLA i ekran se oboji u podlogu i onda
se ubije Xserver i pise da je openwin trazio neke fontove(spominje major i
minor codove) i gotovo....
I samo da ohrabrim nove Xwindows-ase da X na 4MB + 12MB swap uopste nije
_TOLKO_ spor bar ne za moja merila tj. brzi je od MS Win-a i to duplo
AcaL
unix.440postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: comm-prog za SCO
Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 09:40:00
-=> Dusan Hadnadjev :je rekao
DH> Koji program koristite za komunikaciju iz SCO Unix-a. Ima na Panon-u
DH> program "MINICOM" jako lici na Telix. Ima dobar Zmodem protokol !
DH> Najbolje sto sam video za komunikaciju UNIX-BBS.
DH>
DH> dule :)
DH> --------
DH> duplex@setnet.co.yu
Repliciracu sam sebe, ovaj program postoji i na Ecstasy-u, zaboravio
sam da sam ga UL-ovo na EC. :)
Nalazi se u delu: Komunikacije
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
MINICOM.ZIP 92,065 Najbolji program za komunikaciju za
SCO UNIX, kao Telix cak i spolja
MRZSZ.ZIP 64,246 Zmodem protokol za program MINICOM (SCO UNIX) !
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
A, ima i jos jedan dobar terminal program (dobre emulacije):
CONEX.ZIP 58,413 Program za povezivanje PC-ja sa UNIX
host masinom (brz je, brrrr)
dule :)
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unix.441postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: Sound na SCO UNIX sa cc-om
Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 09:40:01
S3MOD.ZIP
--------
Skinuo sam fajl S3MOD.ZIP i raspakovao ga, medjutim u Makefile-u vidim
da trazi gcc ali ja imam cc (Unix 3.2.2.). Da li je neko probao da ga
kompajlira sa cc-om na SCO Unix-u 3.2.2. Da li su potrebne i "neke" pre-
pravke source-a ? Sta treba ubaciti u Makefile, parametri cc-a ??
dule :)
---------
E-mail: duplex@setnet.co.yu
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unix.442postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: Tin i Emacs editor?
Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 09:40:02
Skinuo sam TIN, news reader. Kompajlirao ga pokrenuo, medjutim, fajl koji
se zove active (/usr/lib/news/active) mi je "malo" nejasan. Help ?
Na koji nacin tin-u mogu reci da koristi Micro Emacs editor a ne "vi"
po default-u ???
│ ┌┐
┌┤│││├┘ E-mail: duplex@setnet.co.yu
└┘└┘└└─
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unix.443postmast,
From: Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Ognen Ivanovski)
Subject: pe./dev/mem.linux.access
Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 00:53:14
U chemu je problem?
Pushtam igru Sasteroids kao normalan user i kao root i ovo se
deshava:
Initializing game.
Joystick not enabled.
Building math tables ...........................................
Generating rotated bitmaps
Compiling bitmaps
svgalib: Cannot open /dev/mem.
Evo shta kazhe 'ls -l /dev/mem':
crw-rw---- 1 root mem 1, 1 May 2 02:34 mem
Da napomenem da pred ovo sam imao kernel 1.0.9, a sad imam 1.1.50.
May The Force be with You, Milkman
...
* ATP/Linux 1.42 * Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.
* Origin: SETNet: ĆMemory Master BBS +389/91-412-767ž SKOPJE (38:108/132)
unix.444postmast,
From: Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Ognen Ivanovski)
Subject: pe.term.modem.linux
Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 23:31:18
Kako da moj modem postane terminal pod Linux-om. Ako nisam
jasan: Recimo moj PC je kod kuche ukljuchen, ja sam u shkoli
i treba mi neki fajl od mog PC-ja. Lepo javim se kuchi i
moj Linux me docheka sa 'login:' stringom.
ako je vazhno imam 1.1.50 kernel.
May The Force be with you, Milkman
* Origin: SETNet: ĆMemory Master BBS +389/91-412-767ž SKOPJE (38:108/132)
unix.445postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:11:46 CET
"Novica Milic" <novim@sezam.UUCP> writes:
> Mogli bismo inace da otvorimo i konkurs za greske pod Unixom. Recimo,
> proslog leta sam premestao neke direktorijume pa umesto mv otkucao rm
> (i otislo je par megabajta, skupo dovlacenih s Interneta). ;)
Moglo bi, ja sam kad sam prvi put instalirao Linux omesto cd lib otkucao
cd /lib pa posle rm * i poslao ga dodjavola. Morao sam da ponovim
instalaciju :))
-----
Dusan Djordjevic... djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu...
Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.446postmast,
From: bole@mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: XFree86
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:12:43 GMT
Hi!
Prvo, da kazem da je instalacija X WINDOWSa neverovatno prosta, ako se samo
malko zvirne u readme.config i malko u manpages! Sve je izuzetno prosto, i
sve pise na gore pomenutim mestima. I jako lepo rade na 386 (40mhz) ALI sa
8 mb rama! Sa 4 je.... brrrr:) Posto ja pre ulaska u X imam jedva 200kb
slobodne memorije pa X koristi samo swap ... Ali na osam je jako lepo. E
sad, kako da napravim groupe (po microsoftu), ili desktopove (po X desktop
za sco) pa u njima nesto itd (programe itd, da ne moram uvek da odem u
xterm pa pustim nesto...)?
--
Pozdravlja vas,
Bole@Mrsys1.MR-Net.co.yu
unix.447postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: Tin i Emacs editor?
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 23:41:01 GMT
Dusan Hadnadjev (duplex@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Skinuo sam TIN, news reader. Kompajlirao ga pokrenuo, medjutim, fajl koji
: se zove active (/usr/lib/news/active) mi je "malo" nejasan. Help ?
: Na koji nacin tin-u mogu reci da koristi Micro Emacs editor a ne "vi"
: po default-u ???
: │ ┌┐
: ┌┤│││├┘ E-mail: duplex@setnet.co.yu
: └┘└┘└└─
: * Origin: ECSTASY BBS * Indjija * 022 53 218 * SETNet: (38:111/119)
Edituj fajl $HOME/.tin/tinrc i to tako sto ces naci editor i zameniti mu
vrednost...
Rade
unix.449postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: comm-prog za SCO
Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:26:46 GMT
Dusan Hadnadjev (duplex@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Koji program koristite za komunikaciju iz SCO Unix-a. Ima na Panon-u
: program "MINICOM" jako lici na Telix. Ima dobar Zmodem protokol !
: Najbolje sto sam video za komunikaciju UNIX-BBS.
Ja koristim minicom pod linux-om ali zmodem nije minicom-ov nego
je to zasebni program kojeg minicom pokrece, inace to sz (dl) rz (ul) ..
unix.450postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: pe.term.modem.linux
Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:37:44 GMT
Ognen Ivanovski (Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Kako da moj modem postane terminal pod Linux-om. Ako nisam
: jasan: Recimo moj PC je kod kuche ukljuchen, ja sam u shkoli
: i treba mi neki fajl od mog PC-ja. Lepo javim se kuchi i
: moj Linux me docheka sa 'login:' stringom.
: ako je vazhno imam 1.1.50 kernel.
Moras da instaliras (uu)getty on je u seriji A sto znaci da ti je na disk-u.
U /etc/inittab treba da imas liniju:
s3:456:respawn:/sbin/uugetty -d /etc/default/uugetty.ttyS3 ttyS3 38400
Ovaj parametar -d ... nebi trebao ali se kod mene ispostavilo da mora da
postoji. To je za modem na cua3 (com 4) u /etc/default/ treba da imas fajl
(uu)getty.ttyS3 (ovo ttyS3 zamenis sa inim sto je kod tebe..)
U njemu ti treba sledece:
INITLINE=cua3
CLEAR = NO
HANGUP=YES
#DEBUG=010
# debig za proveru tada se ispisuju po ekranu poruke u radu nije potrebno
INIT="" ATZ\r OK ATS0=1\r OK
ALTLOCK=cua3
ALTLINE=cua3
TIMEOUT=60
#To je sve za cua3 to menjas u ono gde je kod tebe..
U fajlu /etc/gettydef je sve podeseno nema potrebe da se ista menja ..
To je to..
unix.451postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: pe./dev/mem.linux.access
Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:41:19 GMT
Ognen Ivanovski (Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: U chemu je problem?
: Pushtam igru Sasteroids kao normalan user i kao root i ovo se
: deshava:
: svgalib: Cannot open /dev/mem.
: Evo shta kazhe 'ls -l /dev/mem':
: crw-rw---- 1 root mem 1, 1 May 2 02:34 mem
: Da napomenem da pred ovo sam imao kernel 1.0.9, a sad imam 1.1.50.
Nemoze /dev/mem da otvori probaj da na bin Sasteroid (ili vec kako se zove)
stavis privilegiju s za vlasnika faja koji mora biiti root !
unix.452postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 04:54:53 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
-> /* > /etc/profile za bash, /etc/csh.cshrc za csh/tcsh i /etc/zshrc za zsh.
-> Dragisha crni Dragisha.:)) Pogreshi ti za csh makar..:))
E moj Bane, lightning tongue :), ispeci pa reci. Ili mozda prikladnije, RTFM
pa follow-up.
-> Umesto /etc/csh.cshrc, mislim da covek misli na /etc/csh.login
tcsh man page...
Startup and shutdown
A login shell begins by executing commands from the system
files /etc/csh.cshrc and /etc/csh.login. It then executes
commands from files in the user's home directory: first
~/.tcshrc (+) or, if ~/.tcshrc is not found, ~/.cshrc,
[...]
Non-login shells read only /etc/csh.cshrc and ~/.tcshrc or
~/.cshrc on startup.
zsh man page...
then $ZDOTDIR/.zprofile. Then, if the shell is interac-
tive, commands are read from /etc/zshrc and then $ZDOT-
DIR/.zshrc. Finally, if the shell is a login shell,
/etc/zlogin and $ZDOTDIR/.zlogin are read.
-> =============================================================================
-> Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
-> =============================================================================
Dragisa Duric * Zvornik Republic of Srpska * ........ :)
unix.453postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Tin i Emacs editor?
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 05:14:58 GMT
Dusan Hadnadjev (duplex@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> Skinuo sam TIN, news reader. Kompajlirao ga pokrenuo, medjutim, fajl koji
-> se zove active (/usr/lib/news/active) mi je "malo" nejasan. Help ?
Do not touch! addgroup dodaje grupe, delgroup brise, a njega ne dirati.
-> Na koji nacin tin-u mogu reci da koristi Micro Emacs editor a ne "vi"
-> po default-u ???
export EDITOR=ime-editora
Ovo staviti u /etc/profile za bash, /etc/zshenv za zsh, a
setenv EDITOR 'ime-editora'
u /etc/csh.cshrc za csh/tcsh
unix.454postmast,
From: sf@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Slavoljub Filipovic)
Subject: Re: Tin i Emacs editor?
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:56:17 GMT
Dusan Hadnadjev (duplex@setnet.co.yu) je napisao sledec'e:
: Na koji nacin tin-u mogu reci da koristi Micro Emacs editor a ne "vi"
: po default-u ???
U poddirektorijumu .tin pronadji datoteku tinrc i nadji sledec'e
redove:
# Format of editor line including parameters
# %E Editor %F Filename %N Linenumber
default_editor_format=joe +%N %F
Umesto joe (koji ja koristim) trebalo bi da stoji %E (za vi-ja), a
ti vidi pa stavi koji ti editor odgovara....
Pozdrav,
Slavoljub
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unix.455postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:19:15 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Probao sam ANSI i sve VT terminal emulacije koje imaju u Procommu, ali
: nece da radi ni sa jednom. :(
Potrebno je i Osmehu reci koji terminal koristite :-))) Dakle,
koristite naredbu "export TERM=vt100" (recimo). ANSI terminal definicija
na Osmehu ne sadrzi sve kodove koji su tin-u potrebni, pa zato tin nece
da radi kada se koristi ansi terminal.
--
Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
#! rnews 1889
unix.456postmast,
From: anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: INN & problem with inews
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 20:03:12 GMT
U poruci od Miroslav Hristodulo (malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) stoji:
## Stani, ja sam glup pa ne kapiram, :-) Da li to znaci da
## u /etc treba da postoji nesto iz cega inews cita
## neku informaciju o domenima (mada ne znam sta ce mu to, :-) ) ?
## Ako je odgovor "da" onda da kazem da nigde u dokumentaciji
## za INN nisam uspeo da nadjem bilo kakvog traga na tu temu...
## Kako bi fajl tacno trebalo da se zove. Inace evo jos nekih
## mogucih uzroka na koje sam sumnjao:
## 1. Imam NIS, pa moguce da "reverse lookup" ne da polazno
## ime hosta.
## 2. Umesto programa domainname imam dnsdomainname koji u
## stvari zove "hostname -d".
## 3. Hmmm. pa nema treceg, ali ima milijon :-) malih
## sumnjivih stvari, koje... ;-)
Trenutno raja po Usenetu ima problema sa domainnametom i novim
kernelom... Jednostavno nemoze da se postavi razliciti hostname
od domainname-a. Mada, ne bi trebalo da smeta, btw:).
--
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU
anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
unix.457postmast,
From: milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milan Stojanovic)
Subject: Unix
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:04:00 CET
QWK To: Novica Milic
@MSGID: 0:0/0.0 2f97f3a3
@PID: BWRA 3.02 [Eval]
TO: Novica Milic
NM> Medutim, ko god mi se javi u mail da mu treba, pa dogovorimo vreme
NM> (uvece i nocu, kad je jeftinija tarifa), moci ce da me zivne modemom
Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
da nastavi jedno pola sata, ali on ni da bekne (imao sam slicnih
iskustava sa SCO Unix-om). Ne znam u cemu je problem. Ajde vidi ako
treba jos nesto da skinem pa da bas kompletiram ovaj jucin :) mini
Linux. Inace imam 386/40/4MB. Da li ima nade da ovo chudo proradi? Jos
samo da napomenem da onaj stariji minilinux radi bez problema (dobro,
ne rade mi Xwindowsi, ali ionako poludim kad cujem rec windows :)).
Piksi.
... BEEP! Pogresan unos, primam iskljucivo gotovinu!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: BBLink <tm> * Rolling Stones * 018.325.314 * Nis (0:0/0) #! rnews 1946
unix.458postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 07:39:31 GMT
Milan Stojanovic (milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu) wrote:
-> Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
-> onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
-> da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
Treba kernel sa emulacijom. Ako je novim zaboravio to pri mejku, vrijeme
je za prvi bugfix u vidu novog kernela :). Da se ne uplase oni koji su to
vec skinuli, nece morati sve ponovo, max 300kb DL.
unix.459postmast,
From: djdule@durlan.co.yu (Djdule)
Subject: Unix
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 00:50:00 GMT
QWK To: Milan Stojanovic
MS > Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
MS > onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
MS > da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
Pa kad bildijes kernel on te pita za emulaciju. E ako nemas ni emulaciju ni
koprocesor mozda zeza. Ajd kad se vratim iz Grcke cu ti napravim neki
kernel da radi.
---
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#! rnews 1252
unix.460postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: rzsz from/to galeb
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 23:07:24 GMT
Hajdihaj svi.
Evo ja samo da i opet pitam sta se to desava (again) sa galebovim rz/sz,
ili sa DEC serverom izmedju njega i obicnih ljudi kad zovu od kuce?
sz/rz i dalje pucaju posle nekoliko kilobajta, a ne pomaze ni trip
kombinacija a la sz -e -L 512 nekifajlname, jer se jednostavno DEC (cini
mi se) prepuni (?) i blokira prenos, tj. zmodem javlja Bad subpacket,
Got no answer, Bad CRC (uf!) itd.
So, Vecxo a bome i ostali, recite sta je?
... "OK Scotty, beam me up!" ssssSSSZZZZzzztt #^%$(@&^%$%!(&^)!_&$^NO CARR
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.461postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:04:38 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> Problem sa kernelima je da sto vise hardverskih i ostalih opcija
>> podrzavaju, to su glomazniji, sporiji, etc. (Ovaj je takode verzija
>> 1.2.0, dakle, jedan od najnovijih stabilnih.)
Ja bih predlozio da u YUCCA-inoj distribuciji ide kernel 1.2.4
kao jedan od novijih, a posebno moram naglasiti i stabilnijih cak
i u cudnim situacijama (hardverskim).Druga stvar je da nikako ne bi
trebalo iz kernela izbacivati podrsku za emulaciju koprocesora, jer
je primeceno da neke stavri nece da rade bez toga iako imate koprocesor
ili ako imate 486.Koliko se secam ima jos ljudi koji su imali taj
slican problemcic.
Ovo su moji predlozi kao "clana" organizacije:)))Mozete ih usvojiti
a bogami i odbaciti.
Pozdrav,
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.462postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: rzsz from/to galeb
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:10:22 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
>> So, Vecxo a bome i ostali, recite sta je?
Problem je u telnet servisu na orlu....Ja ne mogu da ga promenim
niti imam mogucnosti da galeba isturim trenutno na modem server.
Koliko sam ja isprobavao to cudo download radi..ali upload nece.
Neresiv problem za sada osim ako neko ne zna kako zafrkati orlov
rlogin.:(
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.463postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: rzsz from/to galeb
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:27:40 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu):
>> Neresiv problem za sada osim ako neko ne zna kako zafrkati orlov
>> rlogin.:(
Rlogin -8 ste vec probali? Probajte da mu date
drugi escape char., da ne bude tilda nego na primer
nesto levo. Tako su na Fonu to sredili... Mislim
da se to radi pomocu -e.
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.464skerl,
│ Sto se tice pitanja, za bash je fajl /etc/profile, za csh/tcsh
│ /etc/csh.profile (cini mi se).
└────
Za tcsh je /etc/csh.cshrc i /etc/csh.login
Pozdrav,
Skerl.
unix.465vlad,
> He, He pa razumem se ja i tu to koliko treba.:))) 'Vako..:)
E, pa onda mozes i da me posetis na radnom mestu i da malo
razgledas tehniku. U raspadu je, ali sam siguran da ce ti biti
zanimljivo B).
> necega, evo recimo od gopher-a pa zatim postepeno prelaziti na
> savrshenije servise... Nishta se ne moze preko noci uraditi sem
Bas sam sinoc njuskao po gopher-u na alef-u i veoma mi se dopalo.
Naravno da ne mislim da se zaustavim na juzer interfejsima tog
tipa, vec cu ici dalje i u dubinu i u sirinu B).
Hvala ti i za sva ostala objasnjenja i za spremnost da pomognes.
unix.466vlad,
> Imas na osmehu nekih 40-tak FAQ fajlova za Linux. Lepo ukljucis log
Hvala na pointeru. Pokupicu svakako.
unix.467dvesic,
Rec pomoci za totalne pocetnike sa MiniLinux-om :)
Kao najveca zanimacija je jel'te dosemu. Naravno, tu je i
kvaka 22 :) treba ga naterati da radi.
Najjednostavniji moguci nacin :
- pripremite sistemsku disketu u A:
- editujte dosemu.conf ( joe /etc/dosemu.conf, pa Ctrl-KX) da vam
startni drajv bude bootA a ne bootC
- iz direktorijuma root\dosutils.{__ snimite sve fajlove na disketu.
- startujte emulator sa dos
- proverite (sa dir c:, dir d: ... ) da li vidite sve diskove
- ako vidite, vi ste srecnik :)
- ako ne vidite, izadjite iz emulacije ( exitemu.com)
- predjite u /var/lib/dosemu
- proverite sa fdisk -l koje particije odgovaraju vasim dos diskovima
- uradite jedno /usr/lib/dosemu/mkpartition /dev/hda 1
- (to ako vam je C: na /dev/hda1 u ispisu fdisk-a )
- ponovo izmenite dosemu.conf dodajuci red koji opisuje vas disk
- sve ispocetka, sve dok ne budete videli sve diskove :)
- tek onda vratite na bootC
Toliko.
Probajte i uzivajte :)
unix.468novim,
" From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
" Subject: Re: unix
" Jeste, i u ovom YUCCA Linux-u ne da ima svega i svacega preostalog u
" tom file-u ;)) Jednostavno neko je samo dodavao za yu i ostalo ali
" cistio nije nikako ;)) Ima tu i X11 i TeX-a i ostalog.
Misliš na nije uklonjen path za X11 i TeX? Kad sam to ostavio, bio me
je vodio ovaj razlog: ako neko doda (uz pomoć pkgtool-a, što se
preporučuje) X-windows ili TeX, neka ima odmah i stazu za njihovo
pokretanje. Iz istog razloga su ostavljeni i neki prazni
direktorijumi. Lako je sve to počistiti, ali, bojim se, teže da se
potom vrati - teže za ljude koji počinju sa Linuxom, a njima je ovaj
mL namenjen u prvom redu. Takođe, imajte u vidu da je ovo tek početak
rada na ovoj distribucijici - neke stvari su ostavljene takve kakve
su, i sada su "višak", ali se nadam da neće biti kad bude vreme da se
neki delovi paketa dodaju kasnije.
(Prvi si koji se inače "žališ" da u mL-u ima nekog viška! :))) Obično
je obrnuto.)
unix.469novim,
" From: milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milan Stojanovic)
" Subject: Unix
" Ma sve je to lepo, samo ne radi. Naime, kad ja lepo startujem linux iz
" onog .bat fajla, on onda izvrti one gluposti na ekranu i onda mi kaze
" da nemam matematicki koprocesor ni emulaciju i tu stane. cekao sam ga
Jukin mL koji je sada na Sezamu PRO, kao i na ETF-u, ima u sebi kernel
sa emulacijom matem. koprocesora. Da ne bi posebno skidao, javi mi se
na mail, pa da ti nekako doturim samo taj kernel. Inače, on je posebno
kačen i na Sezam, uz jednu uz poruka u ovoj temi.
unix.470novim,
" Rezultat: kucanje "DOS" mi smrzne celu masinu :(((
" Sta raditi ?
Po pravilu, DosEmu ne "smrzne" masinu ako je greska u onom gore, nego
iz nekih drugih razloga...
Mislim da imam ideju, ali mi posalji na mail što vise podataka (ovaj
"izvestaj" fdisk-a, ceo dosemu.conf, podatke o mašini koju imaš, kao i
Dosove autoexec.bat i config.sys), pa ćemo videti... Takođe, startuj
DosEmu uz help ("dos --help") pa probaj neku od opcija...
unix.472postmast,
From: alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Jakovljevic Dejan)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 16:02:07 GMT
Dejan Vesic (dvesic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Za Linux majstore :)) (Novim-e ? :)
nisam, al' da probam...
-> U cemu je problem ? Pa, proglasio sam u dosemu.conf za startnu
-> particiju /dev/hda1 1 ; pre toga sam uradio jedno :
-> mkpartition /dev/hda 1
-> Rezultat: kucanje "DOS" mi smrzne celu masinu :(((
mozda bi mogao da pogledas iz dos-a sa FDISKom kako izgleda
ta - primarna particija...a mozda (VEROVATNO!!) se nesto sjebalo sa
DOSom na particiji...tako da bi verovatno pomoglo jedno FORMAT /s :)
pozdrav,
ps: kod mene se vrti Win 95 (na zalost septembar - niko na sajmu nije
hteo da 'pokloni' marovski final-beta :((( )
po zelji se moze dici cisti dos (sa novellom i 610 KB osnovne mem)
ili Windows for Workgroups 3.11 for Central & Eastern Europe, a
takodje i LINUX :)))))
bye, bye
* Jakovljevic Dejan * ETF * Beograd * Srbija * alf@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
____________________________________________________________________
... Najvise volim otvorenu devojku u zatvorenoj sobi!!!
unix.473postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: dosemu bez root-a
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 18:40:30 GMT
Haj svima.
Imadem jedan sasav problem na jednoj 486dx2/66 sa AWARD-ovim biosom i
16M ram-a. Naime, instalirao sam na tu masinu Slackware sa kernelom
1.1.95 i sve je proslo lepo. E sad, kada sam kompajlirao dosemu 0.59pl44
i podesio ga, proradio je ali samo za root-a nije! Naime, kada ga kao
root startujem, on nesto krene i vrati me u linux a za sve ostale
non-root usere radi savrseno.
Ima li neko ideju sta bi moglo biti problem?
BTW, na mojom 386dx40/4M ram-a i AMI bios-om radi k'o bog isti taj
komplet.
... Drop your carrier! ... We have you surrounded!!!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.474postmast,
From: sale@pax.caa.co.yu (Aleksandar Olujic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: 13 May 1995 20:00:59 GMT
Jakovljevic Dejan (alf@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Dejan Vesic (dvesic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: -> U cemu je problem ? Pa, proglasio sam u dosemu.conf za startnu
: -> particiju /dev/hda1 1 ; pre toga sam uradio jedno :
: -> mkpartition /dev/hda 1
: -> Rezultat: kucanje "DOS" mi smrzne celu masinu :(((
Mozes li uopste da butujes masinu u DOS sa te particije? Kako si
instalirao LILO? Sta si rekao mkpartition koji je fs ta hda1? Ako hoces da
radis sa dos muljatorom probaj da butujes sa diskete (DOS sistemske) ili
napravi /var/lib/dosemu/hdimage pa onda redirekcijom daj pristup
(e)muljatoru direktorijima (particijama) po zelji. Sve ovo se svodi na
savjete: da se izbjegava igranje sa particionom tabelom (narocito iz
Linuxa); davanje prevelikog pristupa fs-u dos (e)muljatoru; RTFM, pazljivo
:)
: ps: kod mene se vrti Win 95 (na zalost septembar - niko na sajmu nije
: hteo da 'pokloni' marovski final-beta :((( )
: po zelji se moze dici cisti dos (sa novellom i 610 KB osnovne mem)
: ili Windows for Workgroups 3.11 for Central & Eastern Europe, a
: takodje i LINUX :)))))
P.S. kod mene se vrti CD "Stereo MC's" u /dev/sonycd ;) pored toga
startovan je dosemulator, ja pisem ovu poruku u tin-u i pomalo virkam u
dosemu.conf na drugoj konzoli, itd.
Sve to se jednim imenom zove Linux 1.2.8 O:) Inace ovo je 80386/8Mb
sa diskom od 170Mb.
Pozdrav.
SAle
unix.475dvesic,
>> Mislim da imam ideju, ali mi posalji na mail što vise podataka
>> (ovaj "izvestaj" fdisk-a, ceo dosemu.conf, podatke o mašini
>> koju imaš, kao i Dosove autoexec.bat i config.sys), pa ćemo
>> videti... Takođe, startuj DosEmu uz help ("dos --help") pa
>> probaj neku od opcija...
Hvala za pomoć, ali je stvar rešena :)) ( Uzeh veći čekić :)
Iz nekog razloga nije hteo uopšte da prepozna primarnu particiju na disku
već samo extended (i to regularno, sa svim logičkim drajvovima na njoj).
Rešenje : podigao sam dosemu sa diskete, obrisao definicije particija
i ponovo ih izgenerisao sa mkpartiton. Sada sve radi kao satić :)
I ovde pitanje : Može li se na Sezam PRO uploadovati komplet za manpages,
pošto je ono što ide uz mL poprilično šturo.
Pozdrav,
Dejan.
unix.476ialeksic,
Raspakovao sam yuccaml1.arj i boot krene ali se zakopa na:
Mounting root
VFS: Mounted Root (umsdos filesystem).
Od tog momenta reaguje samo na Ctrl-Alt_del :)
Konfiguracija je:
386DX-40 (bez koprocesora)
hd c:(conner 58mb) i d: (seagate 250mb)
Oba diska su podeljena na stekerisani i ne stekerisani deo.
mL je raspakovan na ne stekerisanom delu d: diska.
U istoj konfiguraziji portugalac je radio normalno.
Ima li spasa?
Pozdrav Ivan.
unix.477novim,
" 386DX-40 (bez koprocesora)
Podigni odavde kernel za tvoju 386-icu. Fajl uz poruku od pre 15-20
dana.
unix.478ikordic,
RE: YUCCA Linux
=> Kao najveca zanimacija je jel'te dosemu. Naravno, tu je i
=> kvaka 22 :) treba ga naterati da radi.
Ux, idemo redom, YUCCA distribucija je u pitanju.
1. dosemu: meni dosemu radi samo kad sam root. Ako pokušam da ga startujem
'nako, kaže da ga zanima fajl /etc/dosemu.users, koga, je li, nema. Koji
mu je format i šta tamo treba da upišem?
Kad uđem u dosemu ne radi mi ZKEY iz DOS-a, Ctrl-kurzori, Esc moram da
pritisnem dvaput da bi DOS programi konstatovali. Nije mi radilo ni
prebacivanje među konzolama sa Alt-Fn, ali smo to sredili tako što sam
removao keyboard iz /etc/dosemu.conf. Isto tako, povremeno mi se dešava
da DOS task iz čista mira "pukne" i onda se po povratku u shell tastatura
na toj konzoli skroz sludi, tj. na pritisak kurzora vraća mi ^[A i tako
to.
2. man: varam li se ja ili su man pages pakovane onako "ofrlje" jer dosta
stvari fali?
3. YU: Kako da turim YU slova po CP852 pod Linux? Zašto su u onim
konfiguracionim datotekama za tastature navedeni samo kodovi do 127? Nije
valjda da se ne može koristiti 8-bitni karakter set?
4. Kada će ostatak distribucije (C/C++, ostali man, ...)?
unix.479novim,
Molba: pitajte me (ako je o konkretnim problemima reč, onda u mail)
sve što hoćete o Jukinom mL-u, ali nemojte, pliz, pitati za pomoć oko
portugalskog mL-a.
Takođe: ko je ranije podigao Jukin mL odavde (sa ovog, "starog"
Sezama, u onih 6 fajlova), a ima 386 mašinu bez koprocesora, neka nađe
poruku uz koju je kernel za te mašine i podigne ga naknadno. Od skoro
je na "novom" (brzom) Sezamu Jukin mL sa kernelom koji radi i sa
386-ica (dakle, sada ne treba posebno podizati kernel). Taj isti mL
je onaj koji je na ETF-u i FON-u.
unix.480vitez.koja,
#=> From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
#=> Subject: Re: unix
#=> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:29:05 GMT
#=> Vladimir Maric (vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP) reche:
#=> /* >Ono sto je vladu (i ne samo njemu:) potrebno je
#=> /* >"Unix administrator's getting started guide", ne
#=> /* >"Unix getting started guide". Potonjih vec ima u
#=> /* >velikim kolicinama, npr. UNIXTRNG.ZIP koji postoji
#=> /* >na UBBGu i koji je vrlo dobar (mislim da ga ima i na
#=> /* >sezamu).
#=>
#=> UNIXTRNG.ZIP nije Administrators Guide! Postoje za to
#=> posebne knjigice.:)
:(((
Pobogu čoveče, čitaš li uopšte poruke na koje odgovaraš :(
žak si i citirao, ali pročitao nisi. Gore, u citatu, lepo
piše da juzers gajdi ima koliko voliš, ali da nedostaje
administratorskih gajdi. (Ako treba, da crtam ;)
Posebne knjigice... ako su u elektronskom formatu, molio bih za
pointer, a ako su papirne... imam određenih ekonomskih prepreka
za kupovinu knjiga od X00 din/dem ;)
unix.481aleck,
>> I ovde pitanje : Može li se na Sezam PRO uploadovati komplet za manpages,
>> pošto je ono što ide uz mL poprilično šturo.
Može,može,samo pošalji,ali ovde ostavi broj poruke,jer ne idem tamo često,pa
verovatno imam dosad nekih 800-tinak poruka.
unix.482novim,
" Ux, idemo redom, YUCCA distribucija je u pitanju.
" 1. dosemu: meni dosemu radi samo kad sam root. Ako pokušam da ga
" startujem 'nako, kaže da ga zanima fajl /etc/dosemu.users, koga, je li,
" nema. Koji mu je format i šta tamo treba da upišem?
joe /etc/dosemu.users <enter>
ikordic<enter>
<Ctrl-K X>
To je sve.
" Kad uđem u dosemu ne radi mi ZKEY iz DOS-a, Ctrl-kurzori, Esc moram da
Nejasno mi je zašto. Kod mene se ništa do toga ne dešava. Pogledaj da
li ti je video-kartica (u /etc/dosemu.conf) prijavljena kako valja.
Poigraj se i opcijom za tastaturu.
" 2. man: varam li se ja ili su man pages pakovane onako "ofrlje" jer
" dosta stvari fali?
Da. Ubačeni su samo oni koji su po mom skromnom mišljenju potrebni na
početku. (Inače, ima ih suviše za 3 diskete, a neki se još rade - ne
ja, naravno, već ekipa zadužena za dokumentaciju Linuxa uopšte).
" 3. YU: Kako da turim YU slova po CP852 pod Linux? Zašto su u onim
" konfiguracionim datotekama za tastature navedeni samo kodovi do 127?
" Nije valjda da se ne može koristiti 8-bitni karakter set?
Biće kasnije i toga. Dotle, zamoli Dragishu da ti pomogne.
" 4. Kada će ostatak distribucije (C/C++, ostali man, ...)?
Ostalih mans neće biti, osim za ono što bude u paketu (uucp i takve
stvari). C (GNU C) i kernel će biti, ali kasnije. Prvo je na redu
mrežni komunikacioni deo, ali će on biti tek za jedno mesec dana.
(Kome je frka, neka nabavi neku Slackware distribuciju i uz pomoć
pkgtool-a doda sve što hoće. :)
unix.483ziva,
Može li neko da mi pomogne oko konfigurisanja mrežne kartice
NE2000 kompatibilne u Linux-u. Kartica radi odlično u WfWg 3.11.
Unapred hvala,
čiva
unix.484ialeksic,
>Podigni odavde kernel za tvoju 386-icu. Fajl uz poruku od pre 15-20
>dana.
Distribuciju sam skinuo sa "brzog" SEZAMA. Skinuo sam i datoteku koju
pominješ i ta dva kernela su identična ako je verovati DOS FC-u.
Bojim se da mi to neće pomoći. Ima li šta drugo?
Pozdrav Ivan.
unix.485mikis,
+> From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
+> Subject: FoxPro for SCO
+> Treba mi FoxPro za SCO Unix !
+> Imali ko ?
Ima u CET-u, za svega 2390 DEM (plus 1090 DEM za run-time
verziju ;))
unix.486novim,
" Bojim se da mi to neće pomoći. Ima li šta drugo?
Probaj ovako:
- obriši taj instaliran mL
- na d: napravi direktorijum \linux
- instaliraj mL u taj dir
- pokreni ga iz tog dir-a (linux d:)
- javi šta je bilo.
unix.487skerl,
NcFTP 2.0.5
Pozdrav,
Skerl.
ncftp205.zipunix.488isijan,
Hi, znam da se o ovome sigurno vec pricalo, pa bih bio zahvalan i na pointeru.
Dakle, treba mi neko (sto opsirnije :) ) uputstvo za Osmeh u njegovom sadasnjem
obliku. Znaci, ako ikako moze, za onaj SunOS ili sta je vec tamo instalirano.
Posto sam apsolutni unix-pocetnik zaista mi je potrebno sto opsirnije uputstvo
(u elektronskom obliku), mada ce posluziti bilo kakav read.me, help.me i
slicno.
Posto ovu konferenciju ne pratim tako cesto, molio bih eventualne posiljke u
mail. Hvala.
unix.489vlad,
> Nejasno mi je zašto. Kod mene se ništa do toga ne dešava. Pogledaj
> da li ti je video-kartica (u /etc/dosemu.conf) prijavljena kako
> valja. Poigraj se i opcijom za tastaturu.
Ja sam doterivao ono sto sam umeo, ali i dalje mi isto radi. Kao
da sam startovao neki jako debilan editor. Nigde kurzora, slova
koja kucam se regularno vide ali komande nista ne rade. Samo
predje u novi red posle enter. Sta da mu radim?
unix.490vlad,
> NcFTP 1.9.4 i 2.0.4
Ja ovo skidoh, ali ne mogu da raspakujem! Pkunzip -t kaze da je
sve ok, a kad probam da ga raspakujem sa pkunzip bez argumenata -
nece! Slicne probleme sam imao sa jos nekim stvarima koje si
poslao, ali sam mislio da ja nisam dobro iskopirao sa dzepnog
HD-a. U cemu je fora?
P.S. Sad videh - ime fajla u arhivi je UNIX-like, sa nekoliko
tacaka. Kako se to raspakuje?
unix.491ppekovic,
>> Lako je kada znam sta je argument za man, na primer man ls ili
>> man mail. Kako da dobijem spisak svih referenci na koje se man
>> odnosi? Nešto poput man *.* (celokupna dokumentacija) ili
>> man Performance and troubleshooting guide (poglavlje).
Pre par meseci sam u Računarima pisao o Unix man sistemu. Tamo imaš
detaljan opis kako cela stvar funkcioniše te kako da što brže pronađeš
to što ti treba.
Paya
unix.492spantic,
> P.S. Sad videh - ime fajla u arhivi je UNIX-like, sa nekoliko
> tacaka. Kako se to raspakuje?
Na UNIX mašinama bez problema koristeći InfoUnzip.
Na DOS mašinama koristi InfoUnzio za DOS, ali
računaj na skraćenje imena datoteka, što neće
rezultirati uvek korektnim rezultatom.
unix.493inforts,
> Pre par meseci sam u Računarima pisao u Unix man sistemu....
Računari 99, april 1994. str.73 - ala vreme brzo leti.
unix.494ialeksic,
> Probaj ovako:
> - obriši taj instaliran mL
> - na d: napravi direktorijum \linux...
"Izgleda šašavo, ali mene leđa više ne bole!"
Sada radi!
U čemu je stvar?
Da ne treba da se dvaput instalira ? :)
Pozdrav Ivan.
unix.495inforts,
Kod instalacije SCO ODT 3.0 susreo sam se sa izborom SECURITY-a.
Nudi se od najniže sigurnosti do najstrože (C2). Da li je neko voljan
da objasni šta sve sadrži standardna sigurnost a naročito C2 security.
Pozdrav Dragan
unix.496novim,
" Da ne treba da se dvaput instalira ? :)
Sve to voli da se instalira (to bi se, da se ono pita, samo i
instaliralo, po celi dan i noć). :)))
Izgleda da na nekim particijama (ne uvek, i ne svuda) mL mora da bude
u direktorijumu \linux. U pitanju je zahtev umsdos sistema, verzije
0.6. E sad što to, trebalo bi kopati po source-tu pa naći...
Važno je da je proradilo.
unix.497skerl,
│ P.S. Sad videh - ime fajla u arhivi je UNIX-like, sa nekoliko
│ tacaka. Kako se to raspakuje?
└────
Pa na UNIX-u :)
Moze i npr u Windows-ima pomocu WinZip-a 5.6 (registrovanog). Naravno
mozes i da diskedit-ujes sam .zip fajl i da na mesta svih osim poslednje
tacke u imenu fajla stavis minus. Ime svakog zipovanog fajla se pojavljuje
na dva mesta u arhivi i potrebno je da se na oba mesta promeni.
Pozdrav,
Skerl.
unix.498skerl,
│ Posto sam apsolutni unix-pocetnik zaista mi je potrebno sto
│ opsirnije uputstvo (u elektronskom obliku),
└────
Jedno uputstvo za koriscenje UNIX-a ti je dostupno on-line komandom:
lynx http://www.vin.bg.ac.yu/Uputstva/UNIX/Unixhelp/index.html
Pozdrav,
Skerl.
unix.499vlad,
> Na DOS mašinama koristi InfoUnzio za DOS, ali
Gdi se moze naci doticni InfoUnzip?
unix.500spantic,
> Gdi se moze naci doticni InfoUnzip?
Na SEZAM-u sigurno pošto sam ubeđen da sam svojevreno
poslao DOS verziju.
unix.501bulaja,
│Gdi se moze naci doticni InfoUnzip?
└───
MSDOS - R:\ARCHIVER
----------------------
unz50p1 exe 40062 Info-UnZip 5.0, raspakivanje ZIP 2.04 arhiva (DOS EXE)
unix.502vlad,
> Naravno mozes i da diskedit-ujes sam .zip fajl i da na mesta svih
> osim poslednje tacke u imenu fajla stavis minus. Ime svakog
E, ovo bi moglo ladno u BLP. Sta sve coveku padne na pamet kad je
u frci B). Prosto i zato vrlo delotvorno.
unix.503alazovic,
Dakle poceh da skidam ELM 2.4 mailer pa me malo bune
one oznacice tipa zaa, zab, zac . . .
Pitanje se odnosi na -> cime ovo otpakujem (koji arhiver je u igri)
. . . tek poceh da plivam Unix-om - verovatno sam sve propustio !
unix.504postmast,
From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 06:08:53 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
>> " From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
>> " Subject: Re: unix
>> " Jeste, i u ovom YUCCA Linux-u ne da ima svega i svacega preostalog u
>> " tom file-u ;)) Jednostavno neko je samo dodavao za yu i ostalo ali
>> " cistio nije nikako ;)) Ima tu i X11 i TeX-a i ostalog.
>> Mislis na nije uklonjen path za X11 i TeX? Kad sam to ostavio, bio me
>> je vodio ovaj razlog: ako neko doda (uz pomoc pkgtool-a, sto se
>> preporucuje) X-windows ili TeX, neka ima odmah i stazu za njihovo
>> pokretanje. Iz istog razloga su ostavljeni i neki prazni
>> direktorijumi. Lako je sve to pocistiti, ali, bojim se, teze da se
>> potom vrati - teze za ljude koji pocinju sa Linuxom, a njima je ovaj
>> mL namenjen u prvom redu. Takode, imajte u vidu da je ovo tek pocetak
>> rada na ovoj distribucijici - neke stvari su ostavljene takve kakve
>> su, i sada su "visak", ali se nadam da nece biti kad bude vreme da se
>> neki delovi paketa dodaju kasnije.
>> (Prvi si koji se inace "zalis" da u mL-u ima nekog viska! :))) Obicno
>> je obrnuto.)
Zdravo,
Ocigledno se nisam dobro izrazio ... ne zalim se nikako. No, sada je
to pitanje pristupa. Neko voli da vidi visak koji ce mu mozda zatrebati
dok neko smatra da je to opterecenje upravo za pocetnika. Nije meni
problem da to brisnem i da znam gde je bilo. Ali neko ce mozda zbog
toga sto pokusava to da obrise obrisati i malo vise ;)) No, nije to
problem koji zasluzuje diskusij. Svaka cast u savakom slucaju i s
nestrpljenjem cu cekati svaku od verzija ;)) sve dok se ne javi neko ko
je probao TeX i ubedi me da Linux postane primary OS ...
Sada si me podsetio, mozda se danas odlucim da precesljam TeX disketu
;)) za Linux. No, na Galeb-u nema TeX-a a nekako sa navikao da sve sto
mi treba lepo 'kradem' odande sa in vivo ;)) ...
--[eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.505postmast,
From: viktor@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Viktor Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 06:28:18 GMT
Zdravo,
Jedno pitanje:
U YUCCA-mL-u u jednom 'prozoru' (ne nije X ali sam navikao da se tako
izrazavam, Windows-i, sta da radim ;)) mi je minicom i radim sve u
2^4. Odem u drugi 'prozor' i startujem dosemu i istog casa cujem 'cak'
i nema vise veze u minicom 'prozoru'. Sta mi je ciniti da do toga ne
dolazi?
Pozdrav.
--
[eobuljen@ubbg,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.506postmast,
From: viktor@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Viktor Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 06:45:47 GMT
Viktor Obuljen (viktor@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> U YUCCA-mL-u u jednom 'prozoru' (ne nije X ali sam navikao da se tako
>> izrazavam, Windows-i, sta da radim ;)) mi je minicom i radim sve u
>> 2^4. Odem u drugi 'prozor' i startujem dosemu i istog casa cujem 'cak'
>> i nema vise veze u minicom 'prozoru'. Sta mi je ciniti da do toga ne
>> dolazi?
Zdravo,
Samo da naglasim da, inace, dosemu radi perfektno, rade sve aplikacije
koje sam probao ... mozda sam konzervativan i malo toga koristim ali
sve radi ;)) Da, vide se i svi diskovi ... mozda zato jer su
mount-ovani u pocetku ... ko zna ...
Pozdrav.
--
[eobuljen@ubbg,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.507postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 09:01:15 GMT
Viktor Obuljen (viktor@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Zdravo,
-> Jedno pitanje:
-> U YUCCA-mL-u u jednom 'prozoru' (ne nije X ali sam navikao da se tako
-> izrazavam, Windows-i, sta da radim ;)) mi je minicom i radim sve u
-> 2^4. Odem u drugi 'prozor' i startujem dosemu i istog casa cujem 'cak'
-> i nema vise veze u minicom 'prozoru'. Sta mi je ciniti da do toga ne
-> dolazi?
Iskomentarisi odgovarajucu serial liniju u /etc/dosemu.conf
#serial { com 1 device /dev/modem }
#serial { com 2 device /dev/modem }
#serial { com 3 device /dev/modem }
#serial { com 4 device /dev/modem }
#serial { com 3 base 0x03E8 irq 5 device /dev/cua2 }
unix.508postmast,
From: viktor@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Viktor A. Obuljen)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 11:06:53 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> Viktor Obuljen (viktor@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> -> Zdravo,
>> -> Jedno pitanje:
>> -> U YUCCA-mL-u u jednom 'prozoru' (ne nije X ali sam navikao da se tako
>> -> izrazavam, Windows-i, sta da radim ;)) mi je minicom i radim sve u
>> -> 2^4. Odem u drugi 'prozor' i startujem dosemu i istog casa cujem 'cak'
>> -> i nema vise veze u minicom 'prozoru'. Sta mi je ciniti da do toga ne
>> -> dolazi?
>> Iskomentarisi odgovarajucu serial liniju u /etc/dosemu.conf
>> #serial { com 1 device /dev/modem }
>> #serial { com 2 device /dev/modem }
>> #serial { com 3 device /dev/modem }
>> #serial { com 4 device /dev/modem }
>> #serial { com 3 base 0x03E8 irq 5 device /dev/cua2 }
Zdravo,
E, pa da, u mojoj ultimate un-visdom sam jednu od tih linija koja
odgovara modemu 'ukljucio' ... sada kada je iskljucena radi sve k'o
avion ... HVALA! sta da kazem osim ... bre al' smo brzi ;))
Pozdrav.
P.S. Kucam ovo u minicom-u dok su ziva dva dos-a ;)) Dragisha ce me jos
malo naterati da stavim BigLinux ;)) Dobro, moram prvo da probam TeX i
da sa galeb-a uzmem Emacs ... ;))
-- [eobuljen@ubbg.etf,viktor@[[fon,osmeh].fon,galeb.etf]]bg.ac.yu
unix.509postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 04:48:52 GMT
Igor Kordic (ikordic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> 1. dosemu: meni dosemu radi samo kad sam root. Ako pokusam da ga startujem
-> 'nako, kaze da ga zanima fajl /etc/dosemu.users, koga, je li, nema. Koji
-> mu je format i sta tamo treba da upisem?
Edituj /etc/dosemu.users kao root i u njega ubaci svoj username.
-> Kad udem u dosemu ne radi mi ZKEY iz DOS-a, Ctrl-kurzori, Esc moram da
-> pritisnem dvaput da bi DOS programi konstatovali. Nije mi radilo ni
-> prebacivanje medu konzolama sa Alt-Fn, ali smo to sredili tako sto sam
-> removao keyboard iz /etc/dosemu.conf. Isto tako, povremeno mi se desava
-> da DOS task iz cista mira "pukne" i onda se po povratku u shell tastatura
-> na toj konzoli skroz sludi, tj. na pritisak kurzora vraca mi ^[A i tako
-> to.
keyboard definicija u dosemu.conf treba da ima jedno raw, za prvu pomoc
koristi -k svic na startovanju, a za drugu pomoc ubaci ovakav keyboard line
keyboard { layout us keybint on rawkeyboard on }
-> 3. YU: Kako da turim YU slova po CP852 pod Linux? Zasto su u onim
-> konfiguracionim datotekama za tastature navedeni samo kodovi do 127? Nije
-> valjda da se ne moze koristiti 8-bitni karakter set?
Evo ga piko-HOWTO za nasa slova. Prve dvije linije treba da se startuju iz
/etc/rc.d/rc.local, treca-peta iz /etc/profile za bash usere, analogno za ostale,
a sesta je notica sta uraditi da bi joe primao >127 karaktere. Ovo je sve
sto je potrebno za less i joe, da bi se znakovi vidjeli, a da bi se unijeli
potrebno je jos odgovarajuci keyboard def file. Uz poruku kacim svoj
/usr/lib/keytables/yu-c2.map. Za aktiviranje istog, u /etc/rc.d/rc.local
dodati loadkeys yu-c2.
setfont custom2.f14 or 16
mapscrn trivial
echo "<ESC>(K"
unset LESSCHARSET
export LESSCHARDEF="32c224."
/usr/lib/joerc activate -asis
unix.510postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 04:50:54 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> potrebno je jos odgovarajuci keyboard def file. Uz poruku kacim svoj
-> /usr/lib/keytables/yu-c2.map. Za aktiviranje istog, u /etc/rc.d/rc.local
-> dodati loadkeys yu-c2.
begin 640 yu-c2.map.gz
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end
unix.511postmast,
From: Stevan.Josimovic@f104.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Stevan Josimovic)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 00:37:01
-=> Quoting Subotic Branislav to All <=-
SB> MiniLinux YUCCA-e se od danas nalazi na anonymous FTP cvoru
SB> UBBG na poziciji:
SB>
SB> ftp://unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
SB> yuccaml.arj
SB> yuccaml.a01
SB> yuccaml.a02
SB>
Da li je ovo sredjena verzija onog portugalskog MiniLinux-a ili neshto drugo.
Ja sam sa FON-a skinuo tu portugalsku verziju i u principu sam zadovoljan (to
je verovatno jer bash nishta neznam o Linux-u sem par osnovnih unix komandi).
Imam dodushe i par pitanja, vrlo konkretnih:
1) ubi me u pojam XWindows, nece da mi prepozna misha, a jeste MS kompatib?
2) kako da protumachim oznaku 'l' za neki file (da li je?) ?
napr. lrwx... itd; shta mu je to 'l'? znam shta je 'd' ili '-' ali ovo...
3) da li je moguce nabaviti C kompajler i nabudziti ga na MiniLini?
4) zar bash moram da drzhim onoliko stablo direktorijuma sa tako odvratnim
imenima koja mi nishta ne znache?
5) kako da ponishtim akciju 'adduser'? Ili je jedini nacin da dotichnog
izbacim iz passwd datoteke i obrishem mu dir?
Ne bih hteo da preteram, za pochetak. Toliko za sada, ali mislim da cu ubrzo
imati josh pitanja! Cak, vrlo brzo:
P.S.
6) da li postoji neko mesto (mozhe i piratsko) da ima software za
unix (linux) itd? Malo se bojim silnog prekompajlirovanja i/ili direktne
ispravke C koda!
Unapred hvala!
... Catch the Blue Wave!
* Origin: *SETNet: Taurunum BBS +381 11 2354-253, Zemun* (38:103/104)
unix.512postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 04:54:53 GMT
Goran Zivic (ziva@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Moze li neko da mi pomogne oko konfigurisanja mrezne kartice
-> NE2000 kompatibilne u Linux-u. Kartica radi odlicno u WfWg 3.11.
Nema tu nikakvog konfigurisanja :). Kad se dize Linux, ako je kernel
kompajliran sa podrskom na NEX000 on ce nadje karticu i to prijavi. Mrezu
ti je najlakse da podignes sa netconfig scriptom, koji je dio Slackware N
seta i zavrsice sve potrebno. Rucno moze da se podesava editovanjem
/etc/rc.d/rc.inet[12] .
unix.513postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Tue, 16 May 95 12:33:58 CET
Stevan.Josimovic@f104.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Stevan Josimovic) writes:
>1) ubi me u pojam XWindows, nece da mi prepozna misha, a jeste MS kompatib?
Pa jel si to podesio u Xconfig ?
>2) kako da protumachim oznaku 'l' za neki file (da li je?) ?
> napr. lrwx... itd; shta mu je to 'l'? znam shta je 'd' ili '-' ali ovo...
l je link na neki fajl. Tj. to sto ti vidis to je fajl na nekom drugom
mestu al ga ti vidis kao da je u tom direktorijumu. Ako ga menjas menja
se original.
>3) da li je moguce nabaviti C kompajler i nabudziti ga na MiniLini?
Moze, nadji negde celu instalaciju, sa nje skini Development Kit i
poteraj pkgtool.
>4) zar bash moram da drzhim onoliko stablo direktorijuma sa tako odvratnim
> imenima koja mi nishta ne znache?
Mora ako nisu prazni.
>5) kako da ponishtim akciju 'adduser'? Ili je jedini nacin da dotichnog
> izbacim iz passwd datoteke i obrishem mu dir?
rmuser, userrm... Nesto od toga
> 6) da li postoji neko mesto (mozhe i piratsko) da ima software za
> unix (linux) itd? Malo se bojim silnog prekompajlirovanja i/ili direktne
> ispravke C koda!
Nema tu nista tesko, samo kucas make. E ako nemas makefile za linux onda
moz da nastanu problemi koji i nisu tako veliki i obicno se svode na
izmenu makefile-a.
Dusan Djordjevic... Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.514postmast,
From: GORAN.BOZICEVIC@ZAMIR-ZG.ztn.apc.org (Goran Bozicevic)
Subject: poklon od Gorana
Date: Wed, 17 May 95 19:10:10 +0100
*----------------------- AAB -----------------------------------*---------
* * * Always * * AIMING * * Beeramid * * * ------------- ? ---------------
If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort,
And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.
Gene Zigler
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
" Greske ne postoje." ('There are no mistakes.')
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
## CrossPoint v3.02 ##
unix.515postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 12:38:04 GMT
Dragan Miljkovic (inforts@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Kod instalacije SCO ODT 3.0 susreo sam se sa izborom SECURITY-a.
-> Nudi se od najnize sigurnosti do najstroze (C2). Da li je neko voljan
-> da objasni sta sve sadrzi standardna sigurnost a narocito C2 security.
Postoji nesto sto zovu Orange Book, ovako pocinje:
CSC-STD-001-83
Library No. S225,711
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
TRUSTED COMPUTER SYSTEM EVALUATION CRITERIA
15 August 1983
toak kb kompresovano, malo puno sa slanje kroz conf...
unix.516postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: UUCP tj UUPC za Dos!
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 21:54:01
UUPC
-----
Da li je neko radio sa programom UUPC za Dos koji sluzi za povezivanje
UNIX host makine i DOS-a. Prenos mail-a news-a i sl ? Da li nekome mogu
da se obratim za savet ?
│ ┌┐
┌┤│││├┘
└┘└┘└└─
duplex@setnet.co.yu
* Origin: ECSTASY BBS * Indjija * 022 53 218 * SETNet: (38:111/119)
unix.517postmast,
From: zstan@setnet.co.yu (Zolnaj Stanislav)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:56:45
Odg. na poruku od Subotic Branislav za All na temu
"MINILINUX YUCCA",
na dan: 05 May 95 14:26:47
U ovoj konfernciji sve zvoni od price o MiniLinux-u pa se i ja kao
stari okoreli DOS-ovac sa novom masinom pod rukom (486dx2-66/8Mb/540Mb)
palim na tu stvar, ali priznajem da o Unixu ne znam nista a o modemskim
vezama tek ponesto, ali ne dovoljno da ne bih imao i pitanja, pa ako ti nije
tesko daj i neki odgovor.
SB> MiniLinux YUCCA-e se od danas nalazi na anonymous FTP cvoru
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SB> UBBG na poziciji:
^^^^
Sta ovo znaci i kako ja modemom da dotle stignem?
A kad tamo stignem nadam se da ce mi i sledeca recenica biti jasna.
SB> ftp://unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
Odavde nadalje ce ARJ da odradi svoje u tu nece biti problema.
SB> yuccaml.arj
SB> yuccaml.a01
SB> yuccaml.a02
SB> ...
Ali posle bice verovatno jos pitanja...
Pozdrav
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
unix.518postmast,
From: stomic@hobbiton.CO.YU (Slobodan Tomic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:21:06 GMT
Dragan Miljkovic (inforts@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
$ Kod instalacije SCO ODT 3.0 susreo sam se sa izborom SECURITY-a.
$ Nudi se od najnize sigurnosti do najstroze (C2). Da li je neko voljan
$ da objasni sta sve sadrzi standardna sigurnost a narocito C2 security.
Najbolje da nadjes Orange Book gde su svi ovi standardi opisani (od C1-A1).
Moze se naci na Hobbiton-u u /pub/Security. Sledi izvod iz ovog teksta.
Ono sto je napisano velikim slovima je dodato u odnosu na C1 standard.
---
2.2 CLASS (C2): CONTROLLED ACCESS PROTECTION
Systems in this class enforce a more finely grained discretionary access
control than (C1) systems, making users individually accountable for their
actions through login procedures, auditing of security-relevant events, and
resource isolation. The following are minimal requirements for systems
assigned a class (C2) rating:
2.2.1 SECURITY POLICY
2.2.1.1 Discretionary Access Control
The TCB shall define and control access between named users
and
named objects (e.g., files and programs) in the ADP system.
The
enforcement mechanism (e.g., self/group/public controls, access
control lists) shall allow users to specify and control sharing
of those objects by named individuals, or defined groups OF
INDIVIDUALS, or by both. THE DISCRETIONARY ACCESS CONTROL
MECHANISM SHALL, EITHER BY EXPLICIT USER ACTION OR BY DEFAULT,
PROVIDE THAT OBJECTS ARE PROTECTED FROM UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS.
THESE ACCESS CONTROLS SHALL BE CAPABLE OF INCLUDING OR
EXCLUDING
ACCESS TO THE GRANULARITY OF A SINGLE USER. ACCESS PERMISSION
TO AN OBJECT BY USERS NOT ALREADY POSSESSING ACCESS PERMISSION
SHALL ONLY BE ASSIGNED BY AUTHORIZED USERS.
2.2.1.2 Object Reuse
WHEN A STORAGE OBJECT IS INITIALLY ASSIGNED, ALLOCATED, OR
REALLOCATED TO A SUBJECT FROM THE TCB'S POOL OF UNUSED STORAGE
OBJECTS, THE TCB SHALL ASSURE THAT THE OBJECT CONTAINS NO DATA
FOR WHICH THE SUBJECT IS NOT AUTHORIZED.
2.2.2 ACCOUNTABILITY
2.2.2.1 Identification and Authentication
The TCB shall require users to identify themselves to it
before
beginning to perform any other actions that the TCB is expected
to mediate. Furthermore, the TCB shall use a protected
mechanism (e.g., passwords) to authenticate the user's
identity.
The TCB shall protect authentication data so that it cannot be
accessed by any unauthorized user. THE TCB SHALL BE ABLE TO
ENFORCE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY BY PROVIDING THE CAPABILITY
TO
UNIQUELY IDENTIFY EACH INDIVIDUAL ADP SYSTEM USER. THE TCB
SHALL ALSO PROVIDE THE CAPABILITY OF ASSOCIATING THIS IDENTITY
WITH ALL AUDITABLE ACTIONS TAKEN BY THAT INDIVIDUAL.
2.2.2.2 Audit
THE TCB SHALL BE ABLE TO CREATE, MAINTAIN, AND PROTECT FROM
MODIFICATION OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS OR DESTRUCTION AN AUDIT
TRAIL OF ACCESSES TO THE OBJECTS IT PROTECTS. THE AUDIT DATA
SHALL BE PROTECTED BY THE TCB SO THAT READ ACCESS TO IT IS
LIMITED TO THOSE WHO ARE AUTHORIZED FOR AUDIT DATA. THE TCB
SHALL BE ABLE TO RECORD THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF EVENTS: USE OF
IDENTIFICATION AND AUTHENTICATION MECHANISMS, INTRODUCTION OF
OBJECTS INTO A USER'S ADDRESS SPACE (E.G., FILE OPEN, PROGRAM
INITIATION), DELETION OF OBJECTS, AND ACTIONS TAKEN BY
COMPUTER OPERATORS AND SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS AND/OR SYSTEM
SECURITY OFFICERS. FOR EACH RECORDED EVENT, THE AUDIT RECORD
SHALL IDENTIFY: DATE AND TIME OF THE EVENT, USER, TYPE OF
EVENT, AND SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THE EVENT. FOR
IDENTIFICATION/AUTHENTICATION EVENTS THE ORIGIN OF REQUEST
(E.G., TERMINAL ID) SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE AUDIT RECORD. FOR
EVENTS THAT INTRODUCE AN OBJECT INTO A USER'S ADDRESS SPACE AND
FOR OBJECT DELETION EVENTS THE AUDIT RECORD SHALL INCLUDE THE
NAME OF THE OBJECT. THE ADP SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR SHALL BE ABLE
TO SELECTIVELY AUDIT THE ACTIONS OF ANY ONE OR MORE USERS BASED
ON INDIVIDUAL IDENTITY.
2.2.3 ASSURANCE
2.2.3.1 Operational Assurance
2.2.3.1.1 System Architecture
The TCB shall maintain a domain for its own execution
that protects it from external interference or tampering
(e.g., by modification of its code or data structures).
Resources controlled by the TCB may be a defined subset
of the subjects and objects in the ADP system. THE TCB
SHALL ISOLATE THE RESOURCES TO BE PROTECTED SO THAT THEY
ARE SUBJECT TO THE ACCESS CONTROL AND AUDITING
REQUIREMENTS.
2.2.3.1.2 System Integrity
Hardware and/or software features shall be provided
that
can be used to periodically validate the correct operation
of the on-site hardware and firmware elements of the TCB.
2.2.3.2 Life-Cycle Assurance
2.2.3.2.1 Security Testing
The security mechanisms of the ADP system shall be
tested
and found to work as claimed in the system documentation.
Testing shall be done to assure that there are no obvious
ways for an unauthorized user to bypass or otherwise
defeat the security protection mechanisms of the TCB.
TESTING SHALL ALSO INCLUDE A SEARCH FOR OBVIOUS FLAWS THAT
WOULD ALLOW VIOLATION OF RESOURCE ISOLATION, OR THAT WOULD
PERMIT UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO THE AUDIT OR AUTHENTICATION
DATA. (See the Security Testing guidelines.)
2.2.4 DOCUMENTATION
2.2.4.1 Security Features User's Guide
A single summary, chapter, or manual in user documentation
shall describe the protection mechanisms provided by the TCB,
guidelines on their use, and how they interact with one
another.
2.2.4.2 Trusted Facility Manual
A manual addressed to the ADP system administrator shall
present cautions about functions and privileges that should be
controlled when running a secure facility. THE PROCEDURES FOR
EXAMINING AND MAINTAINING THE AUDIT FILES AS WELL AS THE
DETAILED AUDIT RECORD STRUCTURE FOR EACH TYPE OF AUDIT EVENT
SHALL BE GIVEN.
2.2.4.3 Test Documentation
The system developer shall provide to the evaluators a
document
that describes the test plan and results of the security
mechanisms' functional testing.
2.2.4.4 Design Documentation
Documentation shall be available that provides a description
of
the manufacturer's philosophy of protection and an explanation
of how this philosophy is translated into the TCB. If the TCB
is composed of distinct modules, the interfaces between these
modules shall be described.
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Slobodan Tomic (stomic@[strider.]hobbiton.CO.YU)
unix.519postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 21:45:41 GMT
Zolnaj Stanislav (zstan@setnet.co.yu) reche:
/* > SB> MiniLinux YUCCA-e se od danas nalazi na anonymous FTP cvoru
/* > SB> ftp://unix/linux/minilinux/yucca-ml/
Znash shta bi ja rekao u ovom slucaju.:))) Samo se vi igrajte
Setnetisanjam pa cete recimo 2300. a mozda cak i koju godinu ranije
uspeti ovo da skinete sa UBBGa.:))) Malo ironije ali shta je
tu je... Prvo shta ti je potrebno je dobra volja i recimo ako si
izvan Beograda mozda nalog na nekoj mashini (recimo osmeh ili galeb).
Ako si u Beogradu, lepo dodjesh do RC ETFa, tamo sa virus racunara
skinesh potreban software i to je to... Savetujem ti da nadjesh
shto je moguce vishe tekstova i FAQova oko tih najjednostavnijih
servisa Interneta da bi ti sve ovo postalo jasnije...
Ako nisi siguran ni u shta od ovoga, baci mi mail na donju adresu
pa cu ti vrlo rado pomoci oko pocetnih koraka...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
... File not found, I'll load something *I* think is interesting.
unix.520dejanr,
>> Da li je neko radio sa programom UUPC za Dos koji sluzi za povezivanje
>> UNIX host makine i DOS-a. Prenos mail-a news-a i sl ? Da li nekome mogu
>> da se obratim za savet ?
Mi ga koristimo (doduše uz sitne prepravke) za prenos FON/Sezam.
unix.521dejanr,
>> Sta ovo znaci i kako ja modemom da dotle stignem?
Pozovi modemom Sezam test sistem (011/3222-592), pristup je za sada
besplatan, i prenesi datoteke.
unix.522vitez.koja,
#=> P.S. Sad videh - ime fajla u arhivi je UNIX-like, sa
#=> nekoliko tacaka. Kako se to raspakuje?
Jednim od opisanih načina (4.492, 4.497), ili redirekcijom. To
jer najlakši način ako ima malo fajlova u arhivi. Npr.
pkunzip -c i.tako.dalje > itd
raspakuješ fajl i.tako.dalje u fajl itd. U rezultujućem fajlu će
se na početku nalaziti i ZIPov heder, koji treba obrisati...
E, da. Ovo, naravno, funkcioniše samo za tekst fajlove.
unix.523ialeksic,
> Izgleda da na nekim particijama (ne uvek, i ne svuda) mL mora da bude
> u direktorijumu \linux. U pitanju je zahtev umsdos sistema, verzije
Izgleda da je to bilo u pitanju. Prvi put sam ga raspakovao pod katalogom
YUCCA.
Pozdrav Ivan.
unix.524postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 12:29:56 GMT
Stevan Josimovic (Stevan.Josimovic@f104.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Da li je ovo sredjena verzija onog portugalskog MiniLinux-a ili neshto drugo.
: Ja sam sa FON-a skinuo tu portugalsku verziju i u principu sam zadovoljan (to
: je verovatno jer bash nishta neznam o Linux-u sem par osnovnih unix komandi).
: Imam dodushe i par pitanja, vrlo konkretnih:
: 1) ubi me u pojam XWindows, nece da mi prepozna misha, a jeste MS kompatib?
Pa treba podesiti prvo normalni linux da koristi ms mouse.. kao i X-e da
rade to isto ..
: 4) zar bash moram da drzhim onoliko stablo direktorijuma sa tako odvratnim
: imenima koja mi nishta ne znache?
( neznam dali mislis na linux dir kad si u DOS-u ili na linux dir-ove kod lin)
To je UNIX struktura file systema i mislim da nemas izbora ...
Inace ta imena znaace nesto tj. precizna su ..
bin -- Binarni fajlovi (sto DOS-ovci rekli EXE-i i COM-ovi) izvrsni.
( to su disrovi /bin/ /usr/bin/ /usr/local/bin )
etc -- Tu stoje ostali fajlovi (pretezno configuracioni fajlovi..)
( /etc/ /usr/etc/ )
src -- source kodovi (u njega se raspakuje arhiva kad se dobije pa se onda
kompajlira..
( /usr/src/ )
lib -- libovi .. mada ima i drugih fajlova kosebno u /usr/lib/
( /lib/ /usr/lib/ /usr/local/lib/ )
usr -- korisnicke stvari..
( /usr/ )
home -- privatni direktorijumi za korisnike..
( /home/ )
i td ..
: 5) kako da ponishtim akciju 'adduser'? Ili je jedini nacin da dotichnog
: izbacim iz passwd datoteke i obrishem mu dir?
userdel name
: P.S.
: 6) da li postoji neko mesto (mozhe i piratsko) da ima software za
: unix (linux) itd? Malo se bojim silnog prekompajlirovanja i/ili direktne
: ispravke C koda!
To je tako zato sto C kod moze da se iskompajlira (uz minimalne prepravke)
na vise platformi (vise unix-a..) naprimer joe moze cak i pod dos-om da se
iskompajlira ..
unix.525postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 03:45:16 GMT
: rmuser, userrm... Nesto od toga
Takav program nemam ni ja u velikom linux-u a kamoli da ga ima u malom..
unix.526postmast,
From: Drazen Pantic <drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu>
Subject: Re: UUCP tj UUPC za Dos!
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 22:53:28 GMT
duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev) wrote:
>Da li je neko radio sa programom UUPC za Dos ...
Da li neko zna za pristojan Windows interface za UUPC, dakle
pristojan program koji bi pozivao UUCICO i ostale iz UUPC paketa
za win, raspakivao postu i news, koristio definisani editor za
kreiranje poste i sl?
Pl poz D
unix.527dulev,
Potrebni drajveri za SCO Unix V, za multiport (8) karticu SAT8
proizvodjaca FIC (First International Computer Inc.).
Naime, uz karticu postoje drajveri, ali za Xenix i _neki_ Unix,
firme LEO Utility.
Ako je neko ima ili bilo sta zna u vezi ovoga, dobrodosao je. :)
BTW, ako nekome treba ovakva kartica, moze me emajlirati. :)
(dv)
unix.528omega,
Ţ pkunzip -c i.tako.dalje > itd
Ţ E, da. Ovo, naravno, funkcionise samo za tekst fajlove.
A kako binarne?
unix.529postmast,
From: zsteva@hobbiton.CO.YU (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: crypt()
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 02:26:36 GMT
Kako radi funkcija crypt() u C na Unix (Linux) racunazrima ??
Sta se koristi kao kljuc pri crypt-u password-a ??
unix.530eotek,
Linux & Netware ??
well, probao sam - malo naivno - da kroz dosemu yuccamL
uskocim i na Netware 3.11 server: netje da moze, stane kod
ne1000.com ...
ima li mu nekog leka, kako da "vidim" server i kroz Linux ??
unix.531pivan,
Ima li ko ovde drajver za OMEGA strimer traku za SCO UNIX ?
Kupio sam ga ali onaj JTAPE ga ne prepoznaje. Pod DOS-om ima neki softver i on
radi OK.
Jos nesto, imam na masini integrisane portove com1 i 2 na ploci, a
dokupio sam jos jednu karticu sa dva serijska i jednim paralelnim
portom. Kako to naterati da radi ali ISTOVREMENO , tj. da na sva
cetiri porta imam po jedan terminal, recimo, ili tri terminala i modem
i slicno.
Ovi com3 i 4 su standardno postavljeni sto se tice interapta i
adrese, pogledo sam ono iz pc.os.2 za dodavanje com3 i 4 ali se pri
linkovanju kernela buni.
Sta je u pitanju kako prevazici ?
Unapred hvala !!!
unix.532violator,
:>>portom. Kako to naterati da radi ali ISTOVREMENO , tj. da na sva
Moraš da im dodeliš različite IRQ-ove i adrese. Onda ne bi
trebalo da ima problema.
unix.533deniogi,
Instalirao sam SCO ODT 3.0 na mojoj 486-tici. Prilikom instalacije
pogresio sam pri izboru video kartice. Znali neko kako da promenim
konfiguraciju bez ponovnog instaliranja.
Treba mi i savet koju karticu da konfigurisem.
Na sistemu imam CL5429(1MB RAM) i obican 14" monitor(SCAN). Zeleo bih
sto vecu rezoluciju (1024x768x256).
Pozdrav svima od deniogi-ja.
unix.534pivan,
Kako promeniti??? Pa, jednostavno. Startuj sysadmsh, nadji opciju kojom se
menja hw konfiguracija (ako se ne varam to je opcija system), pa zatrazi
promenu video konfiguracije, pa update i prati uputstvo. Ne bi trebalo da imas
problema...
pozdrav.
unix.535deniogi,
> sysadmsh->system->hardware->Video
Hvala na trudu.
U medjuvremenu sam pronasao resenje sa mkdev graphicsKKKKK.
Proradila je varijanta GL542x Cirrus Logic, 1024x768x256, 43.5 int.,
Standard VGA.
PozdravM.
HP
unix.536vitez.koja,
#=> Ţ pkunzip -c i.tako.dalje > itd
#=> Ţ E, da. Ovo, naravno, funkcionise samo za tekst
#=> fajlove.
#=>
#=> A kako binarne?
Mislim, zapravo, da pomenuti postupak važi i za binarne fajlove,
s tim što će i oni na početku imati PKZIPov heder, koji će morati
da se ukloni, ali vrlo pažljivo.
unix.537postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Re: unix (Sezam UUCP)
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:46:14 GMT
"Dejan Ristanovic" <dejanr@sezam.UUCP> wrote:
> >> Da li je neko radio sa programom UUPC za Dos koji sluzi za povezivanje
> >> UNIX host makine i DOS-a. Prenos mail-a news-a i sl ? Da li nekome mogu
> >> da se obratim za savet ?
>
> Mi ga koristimo (doduse uz sitne prepravke) za prenos FON/Sezam.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kada cete srediti prenos news-a? Poruke na Beo-netu uvek imaje
isti Subject:, pa nema pracenja toka diskusije. Na Sezamu stvar je ista.
Poruke sa jednog sistema na drugom izgledaju kao uljezi. Da li ste uopste
zainteresovani da Sezam prilagodite standardu?
Dragoljub
dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu
unix.538postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: Osmeh !
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:29:01
Zahvaljujem svima koji su mi pomogli oko dobijanja
naloga na osmehu ! :)
Sada mi je adresa duplex@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu i stara duplex@setnet.co.yu.
Interesuje me na koji nacin mogu da skidam mail i konferecijske poruke
sa osmeha i da ih citam na mojoj DOS masini OFF-LINE i da pisem OFF-LINE
pa da kasnije saljem osmehu kao paket poruka (i mail-a) ?:(
Dakle nesto slicno kao i kod QWK programa ili Blue-Wave-a pod DOS-om.
Znaci kako da lokalno (van linije) citam poruke i mail i tako lokalno
da pisem pa onda da se nakacim na osmeh pa kazem: "ee, sada ti uzmi
moj paket poruka i mail-ova i prebaci kod tebe na osmeh" ?
Kako da pokrenem X-WINDOS na osmehu ?:(
Da li postoji neki read.me fajl za nove korisnike koji bi me uputio u
u "cake" na osmehu ?
Na koje servere mogo izvrsiti RLOGIN (samo na FON, ili ...?)
Kako definisati aliase za ELM ?
Kako na samom osmehu podesiti da mi TIN radi sa EMACS editorom (EDITOR=
emacs ili ... ?)
Kako definisati da u direktorijumu /home/user/duplex/bin u kome se nala-
ze neki moji shell programi, budu pokretljivi za mene u svim direktoriju-
mima (PATH=/home/user/duplex/bin ??).
Koje textove da skinem kao pomoc za rad na osmeh-u ?
Pozdrav !
│ ┌┐
┌┤│││├┘ :)
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unix.539postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: Novi fajl SCO !
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 00:27:03
za SCO Unix
------------
Na Ecstasy BBS-u ima program MINICOM sa savojim posebnim ZMODEM programom,
(minicom nece raditi sa klasicnim rz i sz-om). Doduse programi nisu skoro
UPLOAD-ovani na Ecstasy ali nisam siguran da su ga svi primetili. Zaista
je dobar i lici na Telix. Koristi se na Linux-u ali je preradjen za SCO
Unix, preradio ga je Ivan Nejgebauer sa PANON BBS-a. Postoji mali
rade.me fajl koji je napisao sam Ivan Nejgebauer i pitanja uputite njemu
ako nesto skripi ili meni pa cu ja da prosledim na PANON-BBS. Inace pro-
gram je u source-u. Najbolji vidjen comm program za SCO, nema sta !
Pozdrav !
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unix.540postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: HELP !!!
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 12:11:01
HELP :((((
----
1.)
Kako mogu na osmehu da skinem poruke iz konferencija tako da ih pod DOS-om
citam OFF-LINE a takodje i da pisem OFF-LINE u pojedine konferencije pa on-
da da ih saljem kao paket poruka na OSMEH. Dakle nesto slicno kao QWK rea-
der za DOS. Da li ima neko slican problem ???
Da li mozda da se koristi SNEWS iz UUPC paketa ? Mada .... ??
2.)
Nezanam zasto mi ne radi sz (zmodem) na osmehu. Kada prenosim neku
text datoteku sve je OK ali ako pokusam da prenesem neki ZIP on
mi odmah u pocetku stane ????????? Potreban mi je neki FAQ za osmeh ?
3.)
Instalirao (kompajlirao) sam tin na UNIX-u, kako da dodam neku grupu
(konferenciju) u njemu a i kako da izbrisem neku koja postoji ???
Tin mi ne radi bas nesto najbolje sa wy50 terminalima, ne konstatuje
mi strelice, na vt100 nisam probao ali na ansi radi OK !
4.)
Da li ima neko iskustva sa programom UUPC za Dos ?
Pomozite :-(
Pozdrav !
dule :)
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unix.541postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: crypt()
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:15:50 GMT
Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
> Kako radi funkcija crypt() u C na Unix (Linux) racunazrima ??
> Sta se koristi kao kljuc pri crypt-u password-a ??
Pogledaj man page za crypt.
unix.542postmast,
From: djdule@mikros.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: MINILINUX YUCCA
Date: Sun, 21 May 95 11:35:27 CET
zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic) writes:
>: rmuser, userrm... Nesto od toga
>Takav program nemam ni ja u velikom linux-u a kamoli da ga ima u malom..
Znam, posle sam primetio. Imam Linux kuci, a posto mu ne brisem usere
svaki dan zaboravio sam :))
Dusan Djordjevic... Mikros Elektronik, Nis
unix.543petrovics,
Jeli video neko SCO UNIX na CD-u (mislim da su 2 CD-a) koje
prodaje APP Systems? Zivo me zanima o cemu se radi a ovi iz
APP-a ne umeju da mi objasne :(.
Isto se odnosi ina Oracle 7.0 koji APP navodno prodaje na jednom
CD-u.
unix.544slom,
> From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
> Subject: Dodata memorija
> Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 09:01:05
>
> Masina u kojoj je bilo 4MB memorije dodao sam jos 4MB. U pitanju su
> SIM moduli. Nakon dodavanja 4MB, primetio sam da mi se desava
> izvesno usporenje kod ne- kih FoxBase programa i jos kod nekih
> programa. Cudno, dodati jos 4MB a pri tome da se desi usporenje
> sistema? Da li je potrebno pokrenuti neku proceduru koja ce snimiti
> sistem i postaviti optimalne parametre ? Inace radi se o 386 masini,
> 40 Mhz, koja radi pod SCO Unix-om 3.2.2.
Povecaj broj kes bafera NBUF. Takodje moras povecati i NHBUF, tako da
bude priblizno NBUF/4 i obavezno oblika 2^x (stepen dvojke).
Vodi racuna da ne preteras sa brojem NBUF jer ce ti se povecati swapping.
Igraj se malo sar (System Activity Report) naredbom, pa ces lako doci do
optimalnih parametara.
sm
unix.545spantic,
> Isto se odnosi ina Oracle 7.0 koji APP navodno prodaje na jednom
> CD-u.
To je CD Oracle Workgroup 2000, na kome se nalaze:
- Personal Oracle 2000, za solo mašinu, Oracle odgovor na MS Access,
- Oracle serveri za platforme: NT, Novell NetWare, OS/2... (nema za
SCO ODT),
- Oracle OLE (podrška za OLE 2.0),
- Demonstracija Power Builder-a i još ponešto.
Disk je pun.
Ako ima pitanja...
E da, APP prodaje kopiju diska za 80 DEM. Inače, registrovani korisnici
su trebali da disk dobiju besplatno, i da se u roku od 90 dana odluče da
li im treba ili ne.
Postoje dve verzije diska: američka i "za ostatak sveta". Američka
provereno ne pravi probleme tipa: ne radi posle 90 dana ;) dok se za
drugu verziju ne može sa sigurnošću reći.
unix.546inforts,
Instalirao sam mrežu sa SCO ODT 3.0 serverom i pokrenuo sam mrežne terminale
pod DOS-om (NSCA Telnet v2.3) i pod Windows 3.1 (WinQVT/Net v3.8). Oba paketa
datiraju iz 1991. godine. To su emulacije VT100, VT102 i VT220 u tekst režimu.
Da li postoji neki softwer za emulaciju X terminala na PC/DOS radnim
stanicama (386/40 i 486/66), pa da se i na terminalima radi u X Window-su
a ne samo na serveru. Da li je sam SCO dao ovakav softver?
Kod NCSA Telnet-a postoji emulacija Tektronix 4014 u EGA režinu. Da li to
može da posluži? Šta treba još podesiti na serveru da prorade X terminali?
Kakve bi bile performanse ovakvog sistema. Server je 486/50 sa 16M RAM-a,
a stanica bi bilo recimo pet komada.
Pozdrav Dragan.
unix.548postmast,
From: anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Oracle ili Magic za Linux?
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:54:08 GMT
Da li postoje ova dva programa, Oracle ili Magic, za Linux platformu?
--
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@topaz.hobbiton.CO.YU
anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
unix.549postmast,
From: zarko@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zarko Berberski)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 04:51:33 GMT
Sasa Petrovic (petrovics@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Jeli video neko SCO UNIX na CD-u (mislim da su 2 CD-a) koje
: prodaje APP Systems? Zivo me zanima o cemu se radi a ovi iz
: APP-a ne umeju da mi objasne :(.
: Isto se odnosi ina Oracle 7.0 koji APP navodno prodaje na jednom
: CD-u.
Bogami ako je na 2 CD-a onda je nesto sumnjivo jer SCO UNIX se
distribuira na jednom CD-u a i taj je slabo popunjen samim UNIX-om. Najbolje
bi bilo otici do njih i taziti da pokazu da taj CD radi - ako to ne mogu da
pokazu ni idrektni ni indirektno (tj. upucivanjem na nekoga ko je uspesno
instalirao s njihovog medija) onda je najbolje savet - cuvati pare. Sem toga
SCO radi samo sa SCSI CD jedinicama i to moze takodje biti podatak koji ce
pirat rado precutati.
unix.550zormi,
* Da li postoji neki softwer za emulaciju X terminala na PC/DOS radnim
* stanicama (386/40 i 486/66), pa da se i na terminalima radi u X Window-su
Možda da probaš Deskview/X.
unix.551smarkov,
> Da li postoji neki softwer za emulaciju X terminala na PC/DOS radnim
> stanicama (386/40 i 486/66), pa da se i na terminalima radi u X Window-su
> a ne samo na serveru. Da li je sam SCO dao ovakav softver?
Postoji više ovakvih softvera. Nijedan nije PD. Neki od najpoznatijih/najboljih
su : ChameleonX (firma NetManage), Hummingbird Communication, XVision ...
Sve nabrojane emulacije su pod WIN-om. HummComm je svojevremeno imao i
X Win server pod DOS-om. Jedno jeftino (i odlično rešenje) je LINUX u
nekoj od mini konfiguracija. Sa njim dobiješ XFree86 X server.
Za iole konforan rad 8M memorije je minimum.
Svojevremeno se pominjao i DESQView X server. Ako je reč samo o emulaciji
X terminala - mislim da nije najsrećnije rešenje. DV, medjutim, omogućava
da DOS/Windows aplikacije budu X klijenti. Daklem DOS/Windows aplikacije
se pokreću na računaru koji je pod DV-om a grafički izlaz je na X terminala
u mreži (pogodno recimo za šah :).
unix.552smarkov,
> Da li postoje ova dva programa, Oracle ili Magic, za Linux platformu?
Ne, na žalost. Najsličnije - firma JustLogic prodaje SQL server za
Linux. Od iste firme može da se kupi i klijent softver za WIN (C/C++ VB) i
OS/2. Proban u Beogradu - fino funkcioniše. Za razvoj aplikacija uzmeš
Tcl/Tk (interpretirani jezik za izgradnju Motif-like korisničkog interfejsa
na X11) sa SQL ekstenzijom i to je to.
unix.553violator,
Treba mi neki unarj za linux koji pri otpakivanju može da zamenjuje
fileove koji postoje, pošto ovaj koji ide uz mL to ne može :(. Pa ne
mogu da otpakjujem YUCCAML preko obicnog
unix.554vcalic,
>> Treba mi neki unarj za linux koji pri otpakivanju može da zamenjuje
>> fileove koji postoje, pošto ovaj koji ide uz mL to ne može :(. Pa ne
>> mogu da otpakjujem YUCCAML preko obicnog
Nemoj to ni da radiš u Linux-u. Uradi iz DOS-a. Problem i nije u tome
da li unarj "može" ili "ne može" da raspakuje postojeće fajlove, već u tome
što je dobar deo tih fajlova otvoren. Ako pokušaš da ih prepišeš novim, to je
već veoma opasna stvar, koja može da dovede do gubitka fajlova.
Vlada
unix.555postmast,
From: Drazen Pantic <drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu>
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:02:28 GMT
"Dragan Miljkovic" <inforts@sezam.UUCP> wrote:
>Da li postoji neki softwer za emulaciju X terminala na PC/DOS radnim
>stanicama (386/40 i 486/66), pa da se i na terminalima radi u X Window-su
>a ne samo na serveru.
Postoji, i to vise paketa. Ono sto se moze odmah naci je Xwindemo,
funkcionalna verzija jednog takvog paketa. Koliko se secam, radi lepo bas
sa NCSA. Trebalo bi postoji verzija na ubbg-ovom anonymous ftp-u.
Pl poz D
unix.556postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: UUCP tj UUPC za Dos!
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:46:01
-=> U poruci od Drazen Pantic za All je rekao sledece:
DP> From: Drazen Pantic <drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu>
DP> Newsgroups: yu.os.unix
DP> Organization: Matematicki fakultet
DP> duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev) wrote:
>Da li je neko radio sa programom UUPC za Dos ...
DP> Da li neko zna za pristojan Windows interface za UUPC, dakle
Kazi mi ako budes cuo, zanimace me ! OK ?
DP> pristojan program koji bi pozivao UUCICO i ostale iz UUPC paketa
DP> za win, raspakivao postu i news, koristio definisani editor za
DP> kreiranje poste i sl?
Imas na FON-u SNUUPM18, tj. UUPC za Dos, u njemu imas neki dougmenu ili
tako nekako. Imas neke primere za taj program, nije da je Windows ali
sa njime mozes da izvrsis integraciju svega u paketu UUPC. Ima svoj kao
neki mini script jezik (vrlo prosto, izgleda kao batch fajl i pokrece se
sa dougmenu.exe programom. Imas kakav takav interfejs ali on koristi samo
externe programe (UUCICO, UUNAME itd.). Ako nesto znas vise o UUPC da li
mogu da te pitam za savet. Drazene, ako ti treba file (za dougmenu) ja cu
da ti posaljem main.mnu.
Pozdrav !
dule:)
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unix.557postmast,
From: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev)
Subject: Off-Line i TIN !
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:46:04
HELP
----
Kako mogu da citam i pisem poruke u konferencijama (News) OFF-LINE (nesto
slicno kao QWK reader) na OSMEH-u. Posto zovem modemom nemam nameru da
citam ON-LINE sa TIN-om, a pogotovo da pisem jer mi impulsi cukaju. Zna-
ci skines novopristigle poruke (news) i citas van linije, napises poru-
ke tj. odgovore i posaljes kao paket poruka koji ce biti razvrstan po
konferencijama (grupama). Zar je moguce da neko nije imao slican problem
i da je ovo nemoguce resiti. Vec par puta pitam slicno i svi cute !
Pozdrav !
dule _\\|//_
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---------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------------------
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Private: duplex@setnet.co.yu
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unix.558postmast,
From: Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Janev)
Subject: Da Te Pitam
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:20:00
Gde mogu da nadjem drajver za Linux za CD-ROM Aztech 268-03I (IDE)?
Zasto mi YUCCA mini linux ne prepoznaje pacova na COM2 (Logitech serial
mouse)?
Zasto mi minicom brljavi sa portom kad ga napustim (nit' ga DOS
prepoznaje nit' Linux)? Pomazu samo nekoliko hard reseta.
damJANev
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unix.559vitez.koja,
Gde mogu da nadjem uputstvo za mapiranje tastature pod linuxom (odnosno, opis
strukture .map fajla) ?
unix.560eotek,
> From: Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan
> Gde mogu da nadjem drajver za Linux za CD-ROM Aztech 268-03I
> (IDE)?
u kernelu mora da bude podrska za IDE CD,
a posle se mountuje (kol'ko se secam yuccamL nema u kernelu
podrsku za IDE CD).
> Zasto mi YUCCA mini linux ne prepoznaje pacova na COM2
> (Logitech serial mouse)?
probaj da umesto logija postavis ms (microsoft compatible,
uradi to kroz setup i dozvoli da upise selection -t ms & u rc.local)
pa rebutuj - tako je proradio genius, a logitech izgleda da nikako
nece da proradi ...
> Zasto mi minicom brljavi sa portom kad ga napustim (nit' ga DOS
> prepoznaje nit' Linux)? Pomazu samo nekoliko hard reseta.
uradi ponovo Configure Linux kroz setup, pa javi sta se desava
(DOS = DosEmu ?).
unix.561postmast,
From: Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Janev)
Subject: Da Te Pitam
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 01:07:00
DND:->-> Zasto mi YUCCA mini linux ne prepoznaje pacova na COM2 (Logitech seria
DND:->-> mouse)?
DND:-> Treba mu to reci, u XConfig fajlu, ili kako se vec isti zove.
Nije to bio problem. Brljavio je sa selection komandu.
DND:->-> Zasto mi minicom brljavi sa portom kad ga napustim (nit' ga DOS
DND:->-> prepoznaje nit' Linux)? Pomazu samo nekoliko hard reseta.
DND:-> To je najvjerovatnije do porta, minicom sam potjerao na mnooogo
DND:->instalacija i nigdje nije uradio takvo nesto.
Problemi s nestali kad sam se mal vise zaj*bavao sa
konfigurisanjem.
Sve u svemu YUCCA mini linux je odletio sa mog diska a dolazi
onaj "pravi" linux. Linux pod FAT sistem je uuuuuzasno spor.
damJANev
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unix.562postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu
Subject: Re: Off-Line i TIN !
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 04:56:07 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev) wrote:
: > Kako mogu da citam i pisem poruke u konferencijama (News) OFF-LINE (nesto
: > slicno kao QWK reader) na OSMEH-u. Posto zovem modemom nemam nameru da
: Pogledaj uqwk.tar.gz na fon-u taj skida poruke u soup ili QWK
: formatu.
:
Ako nije instaliran na osmehu nista od toga dok ga root ne instalira..
- El taj fajl FFS-u (tj. u nekom dir-u do kog se moze doci kao guest) ?
unix.563postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@p5.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: LINUX CD(s)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 14:37:03
Zeleo bih da nabavim LINUX na cd-u. Kupio bih CD(ove) u Nemackoj ili
Beogradu.
Sta mi preporucujete? Gde se moze naci i za koliko?
Dakle, neophodno je da se na istim nalazi kompletna linux distribucija
A moze naravno da bude jos nesto pride ;)
U NET.oglasima sam nasao ponudu LINUX 2.0 03/95 4xCD = 80DM,
u BG-u.
Zna li neko koliko ovo kosta u Nemackoj i sta se sve nalazi na
ta 4 CD-a?
Eventualne ponude CD-ova saljite na MAIL.
... Da, da, i ovo je TAG!
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unix.564postmast,
From: Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Ognen Ivanovski)
Subject: Linux & Bus Logitech
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 00:15:00
Imam Linux 1.1.50 i Logitech Bus Mouse (u stvari na njemu pishe
Compaq) ali QAPlus ga nalazi kao Logitech, a i svi dos driveri su
Logitech.
Problem je: Pri boot-iranju zadnja linija pred login je :
ms_init: /dev/mouse: invalid argument.
/dev/mouse postoji i pokazuje na busmouselogitec. Svgalib takodje ne
nalaz misha. U chemu je problem?
Peace,
Milkman
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unix.565postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:28:06 GMT
Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
(bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
u mail
sve konfiguracione fajlove koje ima (*.rc, systems, chat skriptove isl)
slobodno posaljite u vise glasova, ne ljutim se od viska.,.. prilicno je i
hitno...
N.
ps: ne bi bilo lose da kad pakujete fajle upakujete ih sa pathom, tako da
znam sta gde treba da dodje...
n.
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
Software Specialist | nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
unix.566postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:33:30 GMT
Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) reche:
/* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
/* >(bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
You will become rich and famous unless you don't.
unix.567postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: LINUX CD(s)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 00:49:40 GMT
Mladen Adamovic (Mladen.Adamovic@p5.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
>> U NET.oglasima sam nasao ponudu LINUX 2.0 03/95 4xCD = 80DM,
>> u BG-u.
>> Zna li neko koliko ovo kosta u Nemackoj i sta se sve nalazi na
>> ta 4 CD-a?
Otprilike ti stvari stoje ovako....
Znaci distribucija Linux-a lepo upakovana sa knjigom ti kosta
100-60 DEM (u Nemackoj)
Inace najnoviju distribuciju (2.2.0.1 ili mozda cak i 2.3 :) )
koja ide na 4 CD mozes da dobijes od vise distributera i to kosta
exactly 39.95$.
Na CD-ovima dobijes otprilike sledece.
Prvi je obicno Linux Run Time System na kojem se moze i instalacija
naci.
Sledeca 2-3 su 'kao' Developers Kit, a u stvari su ftp archive sa
puno korisnih i neophodnih stvari na sebi. Uobicajeno je da su to
tsx-11.mit.edu, sunsite.unc.edu...I na njima se takodjer nalazi i
instalacija..:)
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.568postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 00:53:43 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> /* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
>> Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
>> o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
>>
Bane mislim da sledeci put treba da procitas ono na sta
folowup-ujes :>>>
Dragan D. Vecerina
alf :-- Bane.....ajde, majke ti....misli malo pre nego pretisnes 'f' !!! vu.
unix.569ppekovic,
>> Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak
>> literatura (bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika
>> istoimenog paketa da mi frljne u mail
Zato skini verziju 1.1 koja sasvim lepo radi posao za koju imaš i
uputstva i primere i ostalo što treba.
Paya
unix.570postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Re: Off-Line i TIN !
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 17:13:09 GMT
duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev) wrote:
> Kako mogu da citam i pisem poruke u konferencijama (News) OFF-LINE (nesto
> slicno kao QWK reader) na OSMEH-u. Posto zovem modemom nemam nameru da
Pogledaj uqwk.tar.gz na fon-u taj skida poruke u soup ili QWK
formatu.
unix.571postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Da Te Pitam
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 16:44:54 GMT
Damjan Janev (Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> Gde mogu da nadjem drajver za Linux za CD-ROM Aztech 268-03I (IDE)?
U kernelu :). Doduse, treba ga najvjerovatnije rekompajlirati i ukljuciti
ATAPI/IDE ili kako se vec opcija zove.
-> Zasto mi YUCCA mini linux ne prepoznaje pacova na COM2 (Logitech serial
-> mouse)?
Treba mu to reci, u XConfig fajlu, ili kako se vec isti zove.
-> Zasto mi minicom brljavi sa portom kad ga napustim (nit' ga DOS
-> prepoznaje nit' Linux)? Pomazu samo nekoliko hard reseta.
To je najvjerovatnije do porta, minicom sam potjerao na mnooogo
instalacija i nigdje nije uradio takvo nesto.
unix.572postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 20:37:11 GMT
: >Da li postoji neki softwer za emulaciju X terminala na PC/DOS radnim
: >stanicama (386/40 i 486/66), pa da se i na terminalima radi u X Window-su
: >a ne samo na serveru.
Ko sto rekose ljudi, ima vise paketa. Ja sam radio sa Xappel-om i to ide
odlicno. Radi pod DOS-om, dosta mu je 4 MB RAM-a i podrzava masu kartica.
Moze se skinuti sa ubbg-a /public-a/. Jedina kvaka je sto je u pitanju demo
koji se posle mesec dana od instalacije smrzne.
Srdjan.
unix.573madamovic,
Prilikom instalacije SLACKWARE LINUX distribucije, javlja mi se sledeći
problem :
Kad uzmem da se instalira neki deo linux distribucije, npr. A,
i umetnem disketu A1 u drajv B, nakon kraćeg pretraživanja
po disketi ustanovi "incorrect disk", iako je sadržaj diskete
u redu (tj. nema CRC grešaka, i na disketama se nalaze oni fajlovi koji
i treba da se nalaze ;).
Zašto prijavljuje ovu grešku i kako je izbeći???
Hvala.
unix.574severian,
> Kad uzmem da se instalira neki deo linux distribucije, npr. A,
> i umetnem disketu A1 u drajv B, nakon kraćeg pretraživanja
> po disketi ustanovi "incorrect disk", iako je sadržaj diskete
> u redu (tj. nema CRC grešaka, i na disketama se nalaze oni
> fajlovi koji i treba da se nalaze ;).
>
> Zašto prijavljuje ovu grešku i kako je izbeći???
Moguće da je volume label pogrešan. No, nije bitno. Napravi na HDu
poddir (npr.) \slack i u njemu svaku disketu snimi u svoj dir (dakle za
disketu A1 napraviš \slack\A1 i u taj dir snimiš sve sa nje). Na kraju
pokreneš instalaciju iz direktorijuma sa HDa(setup/set source). Ovakva
tehnika instalacije je i značajno brža...
unix.575dvesic,
Pokupio sam YUCCA distibuciju Linux-a i naterao je da ono što ima
proradi. Pitanje je :
- gde se u Beogradu metodom "donesem diskete i iskopiram" može
skinuti kompletna distribucija Linux-a ili pojedini paketi ?
- košta li što ?
- ima li gde spisak disketa (po paketima) u trenutnoj distribuciji
(koja je ?) Linux-a ?
Pozdrav,
Dejan.
unix.576novim,
" Pokupio sam YUCCA distibuciju Linux-a i naterao je da ono što ima
" proradi. Pitanje je :
"
" - gde se u Beogradu metodom "donesem diskete i iskopiram" može
" skinuti kompletna distribucija Linux-a ili pojedini paketi ?
Vidi u RC ETF-a. mislim da može, kao i u prostorijama BBS-a Za-Mir u
Kralja Petra ulici (tamo su, kod Saše Olujića ili Mališe, Jukini
CD-ROM-ovi).
" - košta li što ?
Ne bi trebalo. :)
" - ima li gde spisak disketa (po paketima) u trenutnoj distribuciji
" (koja je ?) Linux-a ?
Ako imaš Jukin mL, baci pogled u /var/adm/packages - mislim da tamo
ima spisak Slackware distribucije 2.
unix.577gcurcic,
HELP!
Ima ovde neka XENIX mreža kojoj je Mikelanđelo obrisao disk. Podaci su,
srećom, vraćeni, ali terminali više ne mogu da se zakače! Povezani su sa
serverom preko MOXA multiserijske kartice. Izgleda da su diskete sa drajverom
za XENIX oštećene, pa molim onoga ko iste ima da mi se javi...
Goran, 032/834-523 ili na mail
unix.578dvesic,
>> Ako imaš Jukin mL, baci pogled u /var/adm/packages - mislim da
>> tamo ima spisak Slackware distribucije 2.
Hmm, pogledao. Kvaka je da zbir dužina svih paketa nešto preko
5 Mb (?!) dok to stiže na 50-tak (bez X-Win) disketa.
Objašnjenje ?
unix.579novim,
">> Ako imaš Jukin mL, baci pogled u /var/adm/packages - mislim da
">> tamo ima spisak Slackware distribucije 2.
" Hmm, pogledao. Kvaka je da zbir dužina svih paketa nešto preko
" 5 Mb (?!) dok to stiže na 50-tak (bez X-Win) disketa.
" Objašnjenje ?
Taj spisak tamo nije zbog dužine, nego služi da pkgtool zna gde je
šta kad se doinstaliraju stvari.
unix.580postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:20:37 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
> Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) reche:
>/* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
>/* >(bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
> Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
> o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
Sve je to fino i krasno, ali ti nisi procitao ono sto je on napisao :-)
unix.581postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:50:10 GMT
Aleksandar Markovic (alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU) reche:
/* >Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
/* >> Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) reche:
/* >>/* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
/* >>/* >(bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
/* >> Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
/* >> o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
/* >Sve je to fino i krasno, ali ti nisi procitao ono sto je on napisao :-)
Sve je to fino i krasno al ste se okomili ne mene umornog dok sam to
pisao ko leshinari na plen..:)
Greshke se deshavaju...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
A big enough hammer can usually fix anything.
unix.582postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:29:43 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) rece:
> Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) reche:
> /* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
> /* >(bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
> Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
> o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
>
ehm.. rekoh li ja UUPC, u svakom slucaju, nema veze dobio sam sve potrebne
fajle konjfigurirao sam radi! Ne verujem ni da je Taylor ni da je Honey Dan
Bar UUCP style ;-) pre mi lici na uupc/extend ;-)))
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
Software Specialist | nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
unix.583postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:00:44 GMT
Vladimir Maric (vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Gde mogu da nadjem uputstvo za mapiranje tastature pod linuxom (odnosno, opis
-> strukture .map fajla) ?
Mislim da u
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 198210 Feb 22 05:04 /pub/Kbd/kbd-0.90.tar.gz
postoji kbd.FAQ. A moj custom2 righ-alt keymap mislim da sam vec slao u
conf.
unix.584postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 02:32:50 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> postoji kbd.FAQ. A moj custom2 righ-alt keymap mislim da sam vec slao u
>> conf.
>>
Posalji opet..poruke iz news-a se brisu:))
--
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.585postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:52:24 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> >> postoji kbd.FAQ. A moj custom2 righ-alt keymap mislim da sam vec slao u
-> >> conf.
-> >>
-> Posalji opet..poruke iz news-a se brisu:))
-rw-r--r-- /usr/lib/kbd/keytables/yu-c2.map
To je to, a ucitava se kod mene linijom u /etc/rc.d/rc.local
loadkeys yu-c2
And, naäa slova su na istim mjestima na kojima ih dréim sa ZKey :).
Ko prvi napravi transliranje zkey cfg fajlova u ove mape, ima pice... kad
dodje u Zvornik O:)
begin 640 yu-c2.map.gz
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MV<G3IFH*,_*8F($Q%U_V(=\>6H#4$JT9_&3U:4Z?EEHMQ+SPS[S><<=Q7.?+
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end
unix.586postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:42:26 GMT
Subotic Branislav (bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) reche:
: /* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
: /* >(bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
: Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
: o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
:
namesta on UUPC sto ce reci DOS verziju UUCP-a koja guta samo jedan nacin
podesavanja. Inace i mene interesuje to ?? Inace nije bas za moj racunar.
unix.587postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:26:27 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
: -> Vladimir Maric (vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: -> : Gde mogu da nadjem uputstvo za mapiranje tastature pod linuxom (odnosno, opis
: -> : strukture .map fajla) ?
: -> Neznam sta trazis pod Linux-om ako nisi u stanju da provalis kakva je
: -> struktura .map fajla ...
: Cek da malo pogledam svoj received mailbox da vidimo kakva pitanja
: postavljaju genijalci poput tebe... Jel treba? :)
Dobro de.. Mada je uprincipu (za bilo sta) lakse pitati.. Doduse za Map file
postoje primeri i sve je na istu foru ..
keycode 4 = three numbersign
^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
Sta je pri- sta da radi kad
tisnuto.. je pretinut ..
ovo keycode 4 moze biti i tipa :
control keycode 4 = Escape
alt keycode 4 = Meta_three
alt shift keycode 4 = Meta_numbersign
gde je ovo pre keycode taster koji se drzi dok se neki pritisne ..
E ovo sta da radi kad se pretisne je Ime funkcije tipa :
Escape,Meta_three ..
Ili slovo .. To se lepo vidi u us.map ..
unix.588postmast,
From: SETN@f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (SETN)
Subject: Statistics
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 04:58:00
Maintaned by CONFERENCE STATISTICS SHELL - (c)1995 by Predrag Supurovic
=======================================================================
Conference NET.UNIX maintained on 11.05.95. for 28 days backward.
QRATIO Mail Statistics V1.9 by Act Of Impulse.
----------------------------------------------
Total messages found in this area : 329
Number of messages covered in report: 120
Processed period from: 11-5-1995 to 5-6-1995
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blacklist-Top 5 of the Quoters.
Nr Total Quoted Quote
Name Address Msg Lines Lines: Ratio:
---- ------- --- ----- ------ ------
1. "Slobodan Marinkovic".... 38:103/120 1 19 10 52.63%
2. Viktor A. Obuljen........ 38:103/120 2 61 31 50.82%
3. Vladimir Novakovic....... 38:103/125 1 35 17 48.57%
4. "Mihailo Stefanovic"..... 38:103/120 1 9 4 44.44%
5. "Vladimir Maric"......... 38:103/120 3 46 20 43.48%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the writers.
Total Average Quote
Name Msgs: Pct. Byte/Msg Ratio:
---- ----- ----- -------- ------
1. Dragisa N. Duric 8 6.7% 1225 25.53%
2. Dusan Hadnadjev 6 5.0% 836 9.43%
3. "Dragan Miljkovic" 6 5.0% 523 1.52%
4. "Novica Milic" 6 5.0% 718 0.00%
5. "Vladan Marinkovic" 5 4.2% 439 21.74%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the receivers.
Total
Name Msgs: Pct.
---- ----- -----
1. All 114 95.0%
2. Subotic Branislav 3 2.5%
3. Dragisa N. Duric 1 0.8%
4. drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu 1 0.8%
5. Dusan Hadnadjev 1 0.8%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the subjects.
Subject Nr.
------- ---
1. unix........................................................ 81
2. MINILINUX YUCCA............................................. 8
3. Tin i Emacs editor?......................................... 3
4. UUCP tj UUPC za Dos!........................................ 3
5. base64...................................................... 3
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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4:00- 5:59 11 9.2% ******************************
6:00- 7:59 4 3.3% ***********
8:00- 9:59 8 6.7% **********************
10:00-11:59 9 7.5% *************************
12:00-13:59 11 9.2% ******************************
14:00-15:59 11 9.2% ******************************
16:00-17:59 5 4.2% *************
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unix.589postmast,
From: nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu (Nenad Radosavljevic)
Subject: pop3d i ip_accounting
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 21:12:16 GMT
Ima li neko man page za pop3d daemon koji dolazi sa Slackware
distibucijom (2.0.2 nema doticni man), i da li postoji nekakva dokumentacija
i program za 'per user IP accounting' za kernele 1.2.x ??
Hvala i pozdrav,
-------------------
Nenad Radosavljevic
(nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
unix.590postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@p5.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: LINUX CD(s)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 14:40:34
DDV> Inace najnoviju distribuciju (2.2.0.1 ili mozda cak i 2.3 :) )
DDV> koja ide na 4 CD mozes da dobijes od vise distributera i to kosta
DDV> exactly 39.95$.
Moze li neko da mi citira ime, adresu i telefon nekog distributera
u Nemackoj (pozeljno Berlin).
DDV> Prvi je obicno Linux Run Time System na kojem se moze i instalacija
DDV> naci.
DDV> Sledeca 2-3 su 'kao' Developers Kit, a u stvari su ftp archive sa
DDV> puno korisnih i neophodnih stvari na sebi. Uobicajeno je da su to
DDV> tsx-11.mit.edu, sunsite.unc.edu...I na njima se takodjer nalazi i
DDV> instalacija..:)
Da li se tu nalaze SVI setovi (A,X,Y,N,AP...)?
I sta mogu da ocekujem od onog ostalog?
... Tagovi su svuda oko nas. Treba ih samo primetiti.
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:101/101.5)
unix.591postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: ELF
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 02:45:36 GMT
Directory: ftp://galeb/linux/upgrade
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
binutils-2.5.2l.17.bin.tar.gz ---- binutils 2.5.2l.17
dld-3.2.5.bin.tar.gz ---- DLD dynamic link editor
dld-3.2.5.src.tar.gz ---- DLD dynamic link editor(Source)
elf.ps.gz ---- ELF
gcc-2.6.3.bin.tar.gz ---- In ELF and generate ELF binaries
ld.so-1.6.7.tar.gz ---- New ld.so for ELF
libc-4.7.2.bin.tar.gz ---- libc 4.7.2
libc-5.0.9.bin.tar.gz ---- libc 5.0.9 (ELF)
libg++-2.6.2.5.bin.tar.gz ---- libg++ (ELF)
linux-1.2.8.elf.diff.gz ---- difs for kernel 1.2.8
linux-1.2.9.elf.diff.gz ---- difs for kernel 1.2.9
modules-1.2.8.tar.gz ---- New modules utilities
release.binutils-2.5.2.6 ---- Read this
release.binutils-2.5.2l.17 ---- Read this
release.gcc-2.6.3 ---- Read this
release.libc-4.7.2 ---- Read this
release.libc-5.0.9 ---- Read this
release.libg++-2.6.2.5 ---- Read this
release.linux-1.2.8.elf ---- Read this
sspkg2.1-LinuxElf.bin.tgz ---- ELF version of sspkg
xpm-3.4e.bin.ELF.tar.gz ---- ELF version of libXpm
xview3.2p1-X11R6-LinuxElf.bin.tgz ---- ELF version of OpenWin
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Directory: ftp://galeb/linux/util/db
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
postgres95-beta0.02.tar.g ---- Postgres '95 (SQL database)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.592postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: ELF
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:12:14 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> sspkg2.1-LinuxElf.bin.tgz ---- ELF version of sspkg
-> xpm-3.4e.bin.ELF.tar.gz ---- ELF version of libXpm
-> xview3.2p1-X11R6-LinuxElf.bin.tgz ---- ELF version of OpenWin
Ala si ih sastavio :)
Jes' probo SlingShot? Lici li na sta?
unix.593postmast,
From: miroslav@alef.caa.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Linux & Bus Logitech
Date: 12 Jun 1995 19:10:51 GMT
Ognen Ivanovski (Ognen.Ivanovski@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) :
>> Imam Linux 1.1.50 i Logitech Bus Mouse (u stvari na njemu pishe
>> Problem je: Pri boot-iranju zadnja linija pred login je :
>> ms_init: /dev/mouse: invalid argument.
Probaj da u /etc/rc,d/rc.local liniju gde se pominje selection
promenis u:
selection -t bm & (za Busmouse)
ili
selection -t logi & (za Logitech).
Pogledaj i man za selection...
--
miroslav@alef.caa.co.yu
( Miroslav Hristodulo )
unix.594postmast,
From: miroslav@alef.caa.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: LINUX CD(s)
Date: 12 Jun 1995 19:26:13 GMT
Mladen Adamovic (Mladen.Adamovic@p5.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) :
>> Zeleo bih da nabavim LINUX na cd-u. Kupio bih CD(ove) u Nemackoj ili
>> Beogradu.
>> Sta mi preporucujete? Gde se moze naci i za koliko?
U Nemackoj se Linux moze nabaviti od firme Delix, u svakoj
vecoj knjizari za cenu od 30 - 35 DEM po CD-u. Adresa je
Delix Computer GmbH
Hasenbergstr. 113
D-70176 Stuttgart
Imam i njihov prospekt sa spiskom radnji po Nemackoj,
al' me ubija vrucina, pa me mrzi da prekucavam. Ako
bas treba, zrtvovacu se... ;-)
--
miroslav@alef.caa.co.yu
( Miroslav Hristodulo )
unix.595postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: ELF
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:38:23 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> Jes' probo SlingShot? Lici li na sta?
Cinjenica je da ono gornje jos uvek nisam startovao i razloga sto
mi nedostaje libXext.so.6, a stvarno nemam ideju gde se moze naci.
Cim ga pronadjem probacu.:)
Naime postoji jos jedan paket koji nisam skinuo ali i to cu.
U njemu bi trebalo da je ukljucen i Slingshot i sve ostalo..
pa mozda i proradi.:((
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.596novim,
" From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
" Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
" namesta on UUPC sto ce reci DOS verziju UUCP-a koja guta samo jedan
" nacin podesavanja. Inace i mene interesuje to ?? Inace nije bas za moj
" racunar.
Pre godinu i više dana (negde krajem januara ili u februaru 1994),
slao sam na Sezam čitav UUPC (kao fajlove uz poruke), sa kompletnim
opisom instalacije/konfiguracije. Ako nisi na Sezamu, zamoli nekog da
pretraži odgovarajuće teme iz tog perioda i skine za tebe to što ti
treba.
Ps: Kad stignem, pogledaću gde to tačno vidi na Sezamu, pa ću javiti.
unix.597postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: smail 3.1
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:40:13 GMT
Haj svima.
Posto je ovo konferencija yu.net.email, mogao bih bas i da pitam nesto u
vezi e-mail - a ovde.
Daklem, da li je smail koji dolazi u Slackware verziji podesen ok za
pocetak, tako da je moguce slanje/primanje poste na sopstvenoj masini,
kao i pakovanje za slanje preko uucp/ppp ako adresa nije lokalna?
Odnosno, treba mi neko uputstvo kako podesiti smail tako da radi bez
problema lokalno, kao i preko uucp/ppp account-a na nekoj drugoj masini
(npr. fon), jer sam sve zive howto i faq procitao, ali mi i dalje dosta
toga ne ide (citaj - nije jasno :( ).
So, ako je neko rad pomoci sirotome meni i napisati mi jedan pravi
begginers guide to smail setup, mogu mu poslati opis svoje konfiguracije
pa na osnovu toga da mi da primer kako da uradim posao.
Hvala.
... Reset or not to reset - that is the question.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.598postmast,
From: malisha@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: smail 3.1
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:49:59 GMT
andrea@fon :
>> Daklem, da li je smail koji dolazi u Slackware verziji podesen ok za
>> pocetak, tako da je moguce slanje/primanje poste na sopstvenoj masini,
>> kao i pakovanje za slanje preko uucp/ppp ako adresa nije lokalna?
>> Odnosno, treba mi neko uputstvo kako podesiti smail tako da radi bez
>> problema lokalno, kao i preko uucp/ppp account-a na nekoj drugoj masini
>> (npr. fon), jer sam sve zive howto i faq procitao, ali mi i dalje dosta
>> toga ne ide (citaj - nije jasno :( ).
>> So, ako je neko rad pomoci sirotome meni i napisati mi jedan pravi
>> begginers guide to smail setup, mogu mu poslati opis svoje konfiguracije
>> pa na osnovu toga da mi da primer kako da uradim posao.
Da bi samil lepo radio moras mu reci kojim transportom
na koji racunar da salje postu. To se podesava u katalogu
$SMAILLIB/maps, datoteke su uuname.path, force.path i tako
dalje. Posto imas primere, videces kako to sve ide... Srecno.
--
malisha@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.599postmast,
From: balsa@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Balsa Stipcevic)
Subject: IPA fonts for Unix (fwd)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:44:53 GMT
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 17:08:08 +0100
From: KNAPPEN@VKPMZD.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE
Here are some ipa fonts which can be used on UNIX systems:
1 METAFONT fonts (best used with TeX/LaTeX)
wsuipa
tsipa
Both are free fonts and can be got from the CTAN archives (for
Frankfurt, ftp.dante.de is the closest) in directory
tex-archive/fonts/wsuipa
tex-archive/fonts/tsipa
tsipa is more complete (contains 1990 ipa additions) but the
documentation is in japanese. The older wsuipa fonts come with
extensive english documentation.
2 Postscript fonts (Type 1)
sil-ipa
techphon
Freely available, but on the most sites packed in formats which
cannot be unpacked on UNIX system (self-extracting PC-exe or Mac
format). Make sure to get the Postscript type 1 fonts and not the
true type versions. It is possible to make them work with TeX (I
once did it using afm2tfm and dvips).
3 Commercial Postscript fonts
are also available. Ask your font vendor for details.
--J"org Knappen.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
balsa@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu
unix.600postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:26:36 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> ">> Ako imas Jukin mL, baci pogled u /var/adm/packages - mislim da
-> ">> tamo ima spisak Slackware distribucije 2.
-> " Hmm, pogledao. Kvaka je da zbir duzina svih paketa nesto preko
-> " 5 Mb (?!) dok to stize na 50-tak (bez X-Win) disketa.
-> " Objasnjenje ?
-> Taj spisak tamo nije zbog duzine, nego sluzi da pkgtool zna gde je
-> sta kad se doinstaliraju stvari.
IMnsHO, taj direktorijum sadrzi info o _instaliranim_ paketima, a pkgtool
'saznaje' gdje je sta pri samoj instalaciji, iz tag fajlova, sadrzaja
ponudjenih direktorijuma, hijerarhija i slicno. Barem u Slekverima koje sam
ja imao priliku da sretnem (1.2 i 2.2), a ne vidim nikakav razlog (a bogami
ni mogucnost) da bi to bilo drugacije u drugim verzijama. pkgtool
jednostavno ne moze da zna kakve sve pakete mi mozemo da dodamo na sistem.
Sistem je zamisljen tako da bude prosiriv novim setovima disketa i/ili
pojedinacnim paketima bez velike muke.
unix.601postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 23:01:45 GMT
nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic) writes:
> Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
> (bar nen na FFS ;-) molim postenog korisnika istoimenog paketa da mi frljne
> u mail
Ima{ "literaturu" u 1.11 koja odgovara 99.9% u 1.12 je samo ispravljen
jedan ogroman bug kod importovanja news messages.
ZDule...
herkules *** herkules *** herkules *** herkules *** herkules *** herkules
unix.602postmast,
From: zdule@herkules.co.yu (Dusan Mihajlovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 23:06:22 GMT
bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav) writes:
> /* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
>
> Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
> o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
Citaj Bane malo poruke ;), UUPC je za DOS jer pise uuPC a ne uuCP!!!
ZDule...
herkules *** herkules *** herkules *** herkules *** herkules *** herkules
unix.603postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:20:10 GMT
Nego, kad smo vec ponovo otvorili raspravui jel ima negde cunbatch za
DOS,nesto
nece news-i da mi se otpakuju bez njega (gle cuda ;-) a bilo bi malo mnaogo
da ih prenosim nepakovane... razne perverzije sa zip-om isl me mrzi da
radim, i onaku cu da stavim linux za kojih 10-tak dana :-)
ako pomenuta stvar moze da sse nadje u snews191.zip ovde na fonu batalite da
radite follow-up, upravo sam ga skinuo, ali mi onih 2.5% crnnogorske krvi
(procenat u stalnom porastu ;-) ne dozvoljava da startujem pkzip i saznam
ima liga ili ne..
pl poz n
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
Software Specialist | nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
unix.604postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:51:23 GMT
Dusan Mihajlovic (zdule@herkules.co.yu) reche:
/* >bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav) writes:
/* >> /* >Elem da se ne bik mrcio sa UUPCem 1.2 uz koji ne dolazi nikak literatura
/* >>
/* >> Sve je to fino i krasno, ali nisi rekoa o kom se UNIXu radi, ni
/* >> o tome koji UUCP nameshtash HDB ili Tejlora.:))
/* > Citaj Bane malo poruke ;), UUPC je za DOS jer pise uuPC a ne uuCP!!!
/* >ZDule...
Citaj ZDULE kada sam ja ovi piso' ..:))))
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
If it works, you must have done something wrong.
unix.605novim,
" From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
" Subject: Re: unix
" -> Taj spisak tamo nije zbog duzine, nego sluzi da pkgtool zna gde je
" -> sta kad se doinstaliraju stvari.
" IMnsHO, taj direktorijum sadrzi info o _instaliranim_ paketima, a
" pkgtool 'saznaje' gdje je sta pri samoj instalaciji, iz tag fajlova,
" sadrzaja ponudjenih direktorijuma, hijerarhija i slicno. Barem u
" Slekverima koje sam ja imao priliku da sretnem (1.2 i 2.2), a ne vidim
" nikakav razlog (a bogami ni mogucnost) da bi to bilo drugacije u drugim
" verzijama. pkgtool jednostavno ne moze da zna kakve sve pakete mi
" mozemo da dodamo na sistem. Sistem je zamisljen tako da bude prosiriv
" novim setovima disketa i/ili pojedinacnim paketima bez velike muke.
Ajde da nas dvojica sad cepamo dlaku. ;)
Jukin mL je tek početak. Da bi igde u tom paketiću eventualni
korisnik imao ikakve informacije šta, gde, kako (ideja je uvek da se
čovek-korisnik "zarazi" i pređe na "veliki" Linux), stavio sam spisak
iz Slackware 2, kako bi odatle (jer Juka je u času kad sam to radio
imala _te_ CD-ROM-ove). dopunio ono što hoće, uz pomoć pkgtool-a.
Znači, i sve u svemu, upravo ono što si rekao na kraju, u poslednjoj
rečenici. (Analogija sa Slackware-om je preširoka, a instalacioni
programi se prilagođavaju situaciji, u slučaju mL-a promenjenoj,
razume se.)
unix.606postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: UUPC/config files needed
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 02:47:09 GMT
elem, unbatch je nadjen u SNEWS191.ZIP, izvinte na maltretiranju...
plpoz n
--
Nikola Mitrovic | email: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu
| nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
unix.607hobit,
Moze li mi neko reci kako stoji stvar za YUCCA
Mini Linux part II ili III. Zanima me kako sada
da se u ovaj YUCCA mL dodaju X windows i slicne "zezalice".
Sa Linux-om sam u kontaktu manje od 24 sata, pa se izvinjavam
unapred ako postavljam neko pitanje o kojem se vec
raspravljalo.
unix.608postmast,
From: anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Doom (not shareware)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:15:19 GMT
Imal neko ovo cudo za Linux... Dakle not sharewared doom :).
-+-
Nepitajte sta ce mi (provjeravam SLIP:)
unix.609postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:57:12 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> " From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
-> " Subject: Re: unix
-> " -> Taj spisak tamo nije zbog duzine, nego sluzi da pkgtool zna gde je
-> " -> sta kad se doinstaliraju stvari.
-> " IMnsHO, taj direktorijum sadrzi info o _instaliranim_ paketima, a
-> " pkgtool 'saznaje' gdje je sta pri samoj instalaciji, iz tag fajlova,
-> " sadrzaja ponudjenih direktorijuma, hijerarhija i slicno. Barem u
-> Ajde da nas dvojica sad cepamo dlaku. ;)
Jok, ba!... :)
-> Jukin mL je tek pocetak. Da bi igde u tom paketicu eventualni
-> korisnik imao ikakve informacije sta, gde, kako (ideja je uvek da se
-> covek-korisnik "zarazi" i prede na "veliki" Linux), stavio sam spisak
-> iz Slackware 2, kako bi odatle (jer Juka je u casu kad sam to radio
-> imala _te_ CD-ROM-ove). dopunio ono sto hoce, uz pomoc pkgtool-a.
Bez namjere da zakeram, samo ukazujem na to da ovo, i ono na sta sam ja
replicirao nisu ni blizu :).
Sto se tice mL, svaka cast i samo naprijed!
unix.610postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Doom (not shareware)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:58:18 GMT
Igor Loncarevic (anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Imal neko ovo cudo za Linux... Dakle not sharewared doom :).
A jesi li probao da stavis not shareware .WAD umjesto onog shareware koji
imas uz linux-doom?
unix.611postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@p5.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: LINUX CD(s)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:31:23
MH> U Nemackoj se Linux moze nabaviti od firme Delix, u svakoj
MH> vecoj knjizari za cenu od 30 - 35 DEM po CD-u. Adresa je
Sta pise u prospektu za to, sta se sve tu nalazi?
Ima li barem kompletna linux distribucija, nesto extra?
Neko u americi nudi LINUX na CD_u za 10$, zar nema nesto jeftinije
u Nemackoj?
... Posto mi je nedostajalo tagova, morao sam da napisem jedan...
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:101/101.5)
unix.612postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: LINUX CD(s)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:38:20 GMT
Mladen Adamovic (Mladen.Adamovic@p5.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu):
>> Sta pise u prospektu za to, sta se sve tu nalazi?
>> Ima li barem kompletna linux distribucija, nesto extra?
Delix nudi dve vrste CD-ova. Jedna je namenjena iskljucivo za
Nemacko trziste (Deutche Linux Distribution -- DLD) i nama
nije narocito interesantna. Druga vrsta je internacionalna,
sto znaci da sadrze FTP arhive sa najpoznatijih racunara
posvecenih Linuxu (Sunsite, TSX-11...). Obicno se nude u
setu od dva CD-a. Prvi sadrzi razne distribucije, medju
kojima je Slackware najpopularnija (a to inace svi i imaju
u YU), a drugi sadrzi sorsove najpopularnijih aplikacija
za Linux... Sasvim uobicajena ponuda, a cena od 30 DM
i jeste malo visoka, ali takva je kakva je... Mi tu nista
ne mozemo...
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.613hobit,
> posvecenih Linuxu (Sunsite, TSX-11...). Obicno se nude u
> setu od dva CD-a. Prvi sadrzi razne distribucije, medju
> kojima je Slackware najpopularnija (a to inace svi i imaju
> u YU), a drugi sadrzi sorsove najpopularnijih aplikacija
> za Linux... Sasvim uobicajena ponuda, a cena od 30 DM
> i jeste malo visoka, ali takva je kakva je... Mi tu nista
Jedan moj prijatelj bi trebalo da za par dana ode do Nemacke.
Izmedju ostalog bih mu dao lovu za Linux. Zanima me nasta
treba da obrati racuna (covek slabo barata sa racunarima).
I naravno par pitanja:
1. Koja je aktuelna (zadnja) verzija. Vidim da se pominju razne
verzije kernela, sta ako se kupi starija na CD-u, da li sve
treba da se menja ili samo par fajlova?
2. Da li uz CD-ove za Linux ide i neka knjizica?
3. O cemu jos (sem da nije nemacka verzija) treba voditi
racuna. Ovo pitam posto sam UNIX nepismen.
\bye
unix.614novim,
" Jedan moj prijatelj bi trebalo da za par dana ode do Nemacke.
" Izmedju ostalog bih mu dao lovu za Linux. Zanima me nasta
" treba da obrati racuna (covek slabo barata sa racunarima).
Linux CD (obično su 2 komada u paketu) izlaze svakog meseca. Dakle,
sve što treba jeste da potraži i kupi poslednji aktuelni (recimo od
ovog ili prošlog meseca).
" 1. Koja je aktuelna (zadnja) verzija. Vidim da se pominju razne
" verzije kernela, sta ako se kupi starija na CD-u, da li sve
" treba da se menja ili samo par fajlova?
Ma jock. Nabaci se patch za kernel, prekompajlira, i prijavi taj novi
kao radni. (Stariji, i to onaj koji lepo i fino radi, uvek se ostavi,
ako sa tim novim bude problema). - Ta želja za najnovijom vezrijom
kernela ima smisla kod ljudi koji žele da je testiraju. Patch-evi za
kernel izlaze i jednom nedeljno, pa se obično sačeka više njih. Ovde
ljudi koji prate stvari javljaju manje-više redovno koja je verzija
trenutno stabilna, a patch-eva (najnovijih) uvek ima kod Dragishe na
Hobbitonu.
" 2. Da li uz CD-ove za Linux ide i neka knjizica?
Ne. Sva dokumentacija je na diskovima. (Princip jeftinoće. Knjiga,
pak, o Linuxu, ima, ali ima solidne dokumentacije u fajlovima.)
" 3. O cemu jos (sem da nije nemacka verzija) treba voditi
" racuna.
Da je poslednja aktuelna verzija u prodaji. Ali ni nešto starija nije
problem. Ovde se dovlače nove stvari, za Linux - opet da pomenem
Hobbiton - ima skoro svega. Mailni Dragishu da ti tamo otvori user. :)
unix.615novim,
" Moze li mi neko reci kako stoji stvar za YUCCA
" Mini Linux part II ili III.
Za koji dan će na (brzom, 14400) Sezamu osvanuti prva dopuna: gcc
kompajler i njegove biblioteke. Kasnije (za par nedelja, računam)
biće konačno i uupc paket. Potom, druge stvari...
unix.616omega,
Nekoliko pitanja u vezi Jukinog mL:
1) Da li moze bez problema da radi sa Qemm+kes+razni tsr programi
kombinacijom?
2) Zasto man ne vredi nista (cak ni man finger ne radi)?
3) Kako se uopste stvaraju novi korisnici na unix-u?
4) Da li postoji ijedan program u graf modu?
5) Zasto mi prijavljuje EGA, a ne VGA?
6) Kako je moglo da se desi da mi, kao root-u, prijavi access denied
za neke stvari?
unix.617novim,
" Nekoliko pitanja u vezi Jukinog mL:
" 1) Da li moze bez problema da radi sa Qemm+kes+razni tsr programi
" kombinacijom?
mL sve počisti iz memorije, preuzme kontrolu nad njom, dakle - sve mu
je jedno šta je prethodno (pod Dosom) tamo.
" 2) Zasto man ne vredi nista (cak ni man finger ne radi)?
Zato što su manovi redukovani. Na 3 diskete ne može sve.
" 3) Kako se uopste stvaraju novi korisnici na unix-u?
U Linuxu sa useradd (ili adduser), u SCO kroz adm. shell.
" 4) Da li postoji ijedan program u graf modu?
Gde? U mL ne, ali ima u onom portuglaskom, kao i u velikom Linuxu.
" 5) Zasto mi prijavljuje EGA, a ne VGA?
Bez brige oko toga.
" 6) Kako je moglo da se desi da mi, kao root-u, prijavi access denied
" za neke stvari?
Navedi koje. Neke stvari ni root ne može da radi tek tako, bez dodatne
naredbe.
unix.618zeljkoj,
> Nekoliko pitanja u vezi Jukinog mL:
> 1) Da li moze bez problema da radi sa Qemm+kes+razni tsr
> programi kombinacijom?
Nema Linux nikakve veze sa tim DOS programima. :)
On jednostavno prebriše celu memoriju (i DOS i sve ostalo) pre nego što
se učita. Ne radi on pod DOS-om - to je potpuno nezavisan operativni sistem.
unix.619banga,
> Pre godinu i vise dana (negde krajem januara ili u februaru
> 1994), slao sam na Sezam citav UUPC (kao fajlove uz poruke), sa
> kompletnim opisom instalacije/konfiguracije. Ako nisi na
> Sezamu, zamoli nekog da
jun 94 PC.OS3 1.644-1.648
unix.620omega,
ŢZato sto su manovi redukovani. Na 3 diskete ne moze sve.
Huh, pa to je onda stvarno problem. Kome je onda namenjen mL?
Iskusnim korisnicima?
Ţ " 4) Da li postoji ijedan program u graf modu?
Ţ Gde? U mL ne, ali ima u onom portuglaskom, kao i u velikom Linuxu.
U mL. Pa jel moze da se nadje bar jedan? :(
Ţ Navedi koje. Neke stvari ni root ne moze da radi tek tako, bez dodatne
Ţ naredbe.
Ma nesto sam cackao, ne secam se :) Kad naletim ponovo, javicu.
-----
Nego, primetio sam da mu fali disk kes, jel postoji tako nesto? ;)
Oce li skoro dodatak GNU C++, full man i sl.?
unix.621novim,
" Oce li skoro dodatak GNU C++, full man i sl.?
Neće C++ skoro, a za man treba znati da se oni još uvek pišu (za razne
Linuxove stvari). Ako ti nešto posebno od man pages treba, lako je
konsultovati na nekom domaćem Unix hostu. Osnovne man pages ipak su
date u mL, upravo imajući u vidu početnike.
Ako imaš nekih posebnih pitanja oko mL-a, slobodno to uradi meni na
mail (važi i za sve ostale, naravno). Biće mi čast da pomognem. :)
unix.622hobit,
> U Nemackoj se Linux moze nabaviti od firme Delix, u svakoj
> vecoj knjizari za cenu od 30 - 35 DEM po CD-u. Adresa je
Da li sam dobro shvatio da je jedan CD 30-35 DEM a da su dva u kompletu,
pa tako kosta 60 - 70 DEM kompletan linux. Onda mi se vise isplati
da kopiram ovde kod pirata za 50 dem cd na kome cu ja staviti sta
mi se svidja.
\bye
unix.623postmast,
From: anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: Doom (not shareware)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:11:10 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: -> Imal neko ovo cudo za Linux... Dakle not sharewared doom :).
:
: A jesi li probao da stavis not shareware .WAD umjesto onog shareware koji
: imas uz linux-doom?
Dzok bre :). Nemam nonsherver wad, daklem.. ;)
unix.624postmast,
From: anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: New Linux CD with Slackware 2.3, $10
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:18:23 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was ADRAS Computing ]
[ Posted on 16 Jun 1995 15:59:14 +0300 ]
My first CD offer has been a great success, and I'd like to thank the
Linux community for its support. I am happy to offer a new Linux CD
with both the Slackware(tm) 2.3 and Red Hat distributions for $10
plus shipping and handling.
Slackware 2.3 is the most current version of Slackware, with Linux kernel
1.2.8 and up-to-date versions of Linux software. You get the following
features with Slackware 2.3:
o Unix-like operating system with the usual Unix commands
o easy installation and configuration
o supports most PC hardware
o complete documentation on CD
o X Window System (XFree86 3.1.1) with graphics and applications software
o TCP/IP (Internet) services, e-mail, telnet, ftp, etc.
o modem communications programs
o TeX, LaTeX, and other *TeX programs
o tons of other applications programs, name it, it's probably there
o X games, text games, SVGA games
o C/C++ compiler and debugger (gcc 2.6.3)
o GNU Ada compiler (GNAT), GNU Pascal compiler (gpc), f2c, other languages
o complete source code
If you've been downloading the ~300 megabyte Slackware distribution onto
floppies, you also get to reuse all your old disks and modem time for
something else :-)
The Red Hat distribution is similar to Slackware, and is the basis of the
new commercial Caldera distribution. If you'd like to try out a different
distribution, Red Hat is a nice alternative. It comes with an easy-to-use
install program.
The CD sells for $10 US. It comes with a jewel case and an insert that tells
you how to get started installing Slackware and Red Hat. Please add $4.00
for shipping, $5.00 outside the US (add $1 shipping for each additional CD).
If you can't pay in US dollars, please contact me for details. Checks, money
orders and CODs accepted. Add $4.00 for COD orders. If paying by personal
check, your order will ship after the check clears. TX residents add 7%
sales tax. I will donate 10% of the sales price for each CD to the Free
Software Foundation. To order or for more information, contact me at:
Daniel Jimenez (adras@crl.com)
ADRAS Computing
PO Box 29391
San Antonio, TX 78229
USA
When ordering, please specify Slackware 2.3.
I also offer free technical support to my customers through e-mail for
installing the Slackware distribution. If you would like to see what
is on disk before you buy, you can find a gzip'ed 'ls -laR' of the CD in
ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/ad/adras/ls-laR.newcd.gz .
The Slackware 2.2 CD with the `docs' directory from tsx-11.mit.edu is still
available for $9 + $3 s+h; contact me for more information. Please look for
more Linux products from ADRAS Computing in the future.
Slackware(tm) is a trademark owned by Patrick Volkerding.
--
Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov
PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software.
unix.625postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Re: Off-Line i TIN !
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 17:56:59 GMT
zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
> Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
> : duplex@setnet.co.yu (Dusan Hadnadjev) wrote:
> : > Kako mogu da citam i pisem poruke u konferencijama (News) OFF-LINE (nesto
> : > slicno kao QWK reader) na OSMEH-u. Posto zovem modemom nemam nameru da
>
> : Pogledaj uqwk.tar.gz na fon-u taj skida poruke u soup ili QWK
> : formatu.
> :
>
> Ako nije instaliran na osmehu nista od toga dok ga root ne instalira..
> - El taj fajl FFS-u (tj. u nekom dir-u do kog se moze doci kao guest) ?
/unix/news/uqwk.tar.gz na fon-u
Radi iz user dira i skuplja news preko NNTP-a. Naravno treba ga prevesti
na masini sa koje se skida news (make -f Makefile.nntp). Problem je slanje jer
interno poziva inews koga nema na Osmehu pa i to treba naci i prevesti.
unix.626postmast,
From: anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Shell script to auto-detect vt-terminal size - help!
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:00:08 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.terminals,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.shell,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.programmer ]
[ Author was Tony Nugent ]
[ Posted on 12 Jun 1995 08:54:25 GMT ]
Hi all.
I'm trying to write a script to work under Solaris, Sun4.1.3 and Linux
that will automatically detect my vt-term's screen size when I log in
via modem and then set the $LINES and $COLUMNS variables accordingly.
I've got it to work - except for one thing... when I send the vt
sequence ^[[6n to autodetect the screen size there is no newline
character sent with it, and my script just hangs unless I press the
return key.
What I've got so far is this:
#!/bin/csh -f
#
# Talk to a vt terminal to check the current size of the screen
#
# Tony Nugent
# T.Nugent@sct.gu.edu.au
#
# I beg fogiveness for using /bin/csh instead of /bin/sh
# but if someone can offer me a version without using
# $< and the varaiable arrays of csh then please do!
# I'm too lazy to do it with sh's "read then use "cut" :)
# This is quick and dirty at the moment.
#
# I'm looking for a way to read in a string with unbuffered input
# up to an "R" character without using csh's $< or sh's read.
#
echo "Resetting Screen Size..."
echo -n "^[7Please press Enter"
echo -n "^[[200;200H^[[6n"
set size=$<
echo -n "^[8"
set size=`echo "$size" |tr '\033\[;R' ' '`
# Some versions of tr need this instead:
# set size=`echo "$size" |tr '\033[;R' ' '`
# Just setting $LINES and $COLUMNS is not always successful
# setenv LINES "$size[1]"
# setenv COLUMNS "$size[2]"
stty rows $size[1] cols $size[2]
echo LINES is $LINES and COLUMNS is $COLUMNS
Beware that the ^[ characters there are supposed to be the escape
character - I've cat-v'ed this post to turn them into the
two-character equivalent. Uudecode this version to get the full
thing with the control characters:
begin 600 get_screensize
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/3E,@:7,@)$-/3%5-3E,*
end
This works, but if you run this script you will see what I mean...
when the ^[[6n sequence is sent, a vt terminal should respond with
"^[[yy;xxR", where yy is the number of LINES and xx is the number of
COLUMNS. The "set size=$<" is meant to read this output, but there is
no return key to complete it - thus the "Press Enter" kludge that I've
done here.
Before I go any furthur, I realise that the X utility "resize" can
basically do this already (reset $LINES and $COLUMNS to their correct
values), and that it uses a similar mechanism of detecting the
response to the ^[[6n sequence. But I want to do this myself and not
use an often unavaliable utility (not in $PATH, etc)... it certainly
does not come with the basic Linux installation distribution.
Perhaps someone has a neat bit of C code that does what I'm trying
to do here.
A follow would be great, but please email me a copy of any replies.
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu
unix.627postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: pop3d i ip_accounting
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:12:28 GMT
Nenad Radosavljevic (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Ima li neko man page za pop3d daemon koji dolazi sa Slackware
: distibucijom (2.0.2 nema doticni man), i da li postoji nekakva dokumentacija
: i program za 'per user IP accounting' za kernele 1.2.x ??
: Hvala i pozdrav,
: -------------------
: Nenad Radosavljevic
: (nenadr@sunset.fon.bg.ac.yu)
pogledaj za per user ip accounting u announce newsgrupi... bas pre par dana
je oglasen program za to.
unix.628postmast,
From: zstan@setnet.co.yu (Zolnaj Stanislav)
Subject: MiniLinux! Sta sad?
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:00:24
O minilinux-u (dalje linux) se dosta pricalo u poslednje vreme u ovoj
konferenciji, pa me je stvar zainteresovala jer sam dobio novu masinu
(DX2/66;8MB;540MB) i resih da malo zamenim Win 3.11 sa tim cudom.
Stvar je DL-ovana sa FON-a instalirana, pokrenuta, ali stvari nisu
tako jednostavne. Verovatno sam zaboravio svoje prapocetke upotrebe DOS-a,
ali mi se cini da je tada islo brze i lakse.
Posle login-a covek ne zna odakle i na koju stranu da krene.
Prosecnom korisniku DOS-a kao sto sam ja ;)), rudimentarni help koji sam
uspeo da iscupam nije mnogo pomogao. Onda rekoh, daj da nesto vise procitamo,
te nabavih "UNIX vodic kroz sistem" P.Silvestera, neke stavari su postale
jasnije o UNIX-u uopste, ali kako se sta podesava i pokrece u linux-u to je i
dalje "mracna strana sveta" pa mislim da tu neke stvari fale u sistemu.
Tamo dge je okacen Linux na BBS-ove, dajte i neko detaljnije uputstvo
kako se on podesava, sta sve sadrzi u sebi, sta i kako moze da se pokrene,
gde su helpovi, gde su FAQ-ovi, i ostalo da covek koji ima nameru da krene sa
tom stvari moze da napreduje. Ako su dosli sa instalacijom moja malenkost ih
ne nalazi, a ako nisu dodajte jos koji MB tekstova i objasnjenja, pa ko hoce
neka cita, kome ne treba i ne mora, ali meni vec mesec dana stoji na disku,
a ja nikako da dodjem do informacija kako se cela stvar efikasnije koristi.
Sistem pitanja i tumacenja u konferenciji na mrezi je dosta spor
(poruka putuje par dana, na nju se odgovori ili ne odgovri za par dana, a sve
to traje), a ako neko hoce ozbiljno da se time bavi, cini mi se da je to
za prosecnog korisnika tesko moguce u ovakvom okruzenju.
Pozdrav Linux-ovcima, ali sam ja i pored dobre volje
jos uvek daleko od vaseg drustva.
... Kada resavas problem, puno pomaze ako znas resenje.
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
unix.629postmast,
From: IVAN.RADANOVIC@p1.f0.n111.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (IVAN RADANOVIC)
Subject: ADD
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:40:00
* Origin: MYSTERY BBS * 021 715-913 24h * Novi Sad * SETNet: (38:111/0.1)
unix.630nlazic,
Pre nego što bilo šta pitam, reći ću da sa Unix-om i njegovom "braćom"
nemam NIKAKVIH iskustava, pa se nemojte čuditi ako je pitanje bez veze. :)
Interesuje me kako UNIX stoji sa CAD (CAM?) programima? Kakvog su
kvaliteta i koliko se koriste? Znam da se na radnim stanicama vrte jako
moćni (ako ne i najmoćniji) softveri za ove stvari, ali me ineresuje kakva
je situacija na jačim PC konfiguracijama koje rade pod ovim OS-om. Može li
se negde kod nas pogledati kako to sve izgleda? Posebno me interesuje CAM
softver, ali ne neki "užasno" moćan, jer kod nas još uvek nema "užasno"
moćnih CNC mašina.
Hvala unapred :)
Pozdrav,
:) Nebojša :)
unix.631omega,
Ţ konsultovati na nekom domacem Unix hostu. Osnovne man pages ipak su
Ţ date u mL, upravo imajuci u vidu pocetnike.
Da, ali ne mogu da zivkam svaki cas fon.fon da bih se konsultovao ;)
Izgleda da je lose procenjeno sta su to osnove za pocetnika :(, jer
'finger' je osnova. Mislim da je u poruci 4.628 jos bolje objasnjeno
sta hocu da kazem.
Ţ meni na mail (vazi i za sve ostale, naravno). Bice mi cast da pomognem.
Ok :)
unix.632novim,
" O minilinux-u (dalje linux) se dosta pricalo u poslednje vreme u ovoj
" konferenciji, pa me je stvar zainteresovala jer sam dobio novu masinu
" Tamo dge je okacen Linux na BBS-ove, dajte i neko detaljnije uputstvo
" kako se on podesava, sta sve sadrzi u sebi, sta i kako moze da se
" pokrene, gde su helpovi, gde su FAQ-ovi, i ostalo
Savršeno si u pravu s primedbom, ona stoji, i ja ću pokušati da do
kraja meseca okačim (na brzom Sezamu, UBBG-i u FFS FON-a) jedan duži
info-fajl za početak rada na mL-u. Računao sam na snalaženje ljudi,
ali, svakako treba napraviti kraće uputstvo.
unix.633vitez.koja,
#=> Sistem pitanja i tumacenja u konferenciji na mrezi je
#=> dosta spor (poruka putuje par dana, na nju se odgovori
#=> ili ne odgovri za par dana, a sve to traje), a ako neko
#=> hoce ozbiljno da se time bavi, cini mi se da je to za
#=> prosecnog korisnika tesko moguce u ovakvom okruzenju.
Pregledaj materijale dostupne preko gopher i www servisa na
beointernetu. naći ćeš gomilu interesantnih stvari.
unix.634danko,
Da li neko ima (ili je koristio, cuo, ...) neki development system za sockets
pod DOS-om. Postoji neki FTP, ali nij eu javnom vlasnistu, a izgleda postoji i
nesto u javnom valsnistvu, ali ne znam koliko je dokumetovano. Cilj je
napisati na DOS radnoj stanici (bez Win) aplikaciju koja koristi TCP/IP.
Cuo sam da postoji NOvell LAN workplace for Dos development Toolkit, ali ne
znam da li ga je iko video ili jos bolje da ga i trenuto "gleda".
Unaprd hvala na pomoci DANKO
unix.635smarkov,
Uz poruku su "snimci" iz Tcl/Tk aplikacija. U originalnoj poruci se
nalazi tekstić o ovom jeziku/konceptu. Ukratko Tcl/Tk je interpretirani
(skript like) jezik, direktno poveziv sa C-om, jako popularan preko bare,
raspoloživ na svim UNIX-ima (+OS/2+WIN NT+WIN3.1+Mac), vrlo jednostavno se
formiraju X11/Motif-like aplikacije itd ... Pogledajte vrlo je zanimljivo.
tkdemo.zipunix.636postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:58:37 GMT
Vladimir Ilic (hobit@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Da li sam dobro shvatio da je jedan CD 30-35 DEM a da su dva u kompletu,
-> pa tako kosta 60 - 70 DEM kompletan linux. Onda mi se vise isplati
-> da kopiram ovde kod pirata za 50 dem cd na kome cu ja staviti sta
-> mi se svidja.
4 CD, InfoMagic Developer's Resource, $25+$5(troäkovi), u USA. Reüe mi
üovjek da je i Budimpeäti bagatelno.
Troäkovi su $10 za slanje u Evropu, samo äto ne äalju u SRJ.
unix.637postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: MiniLinux! Sta sad?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:21:21 GMT
Zolnaj Stanislav (zstan@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> Sistem pitanja i tumacenja u konferenciji na mrezi je dosta spor
-> (poruka putuje par dana, na nju se odgovori ili ne odgovri za par dana, a sve
-> to traje), a ako neko hoce ozbiljno da se time bavi, cini mi se da je to
-> za prosecnog korisnika tesko moguce u ovakvom okruzenju.
To sto poruke putuju par dana, kao i to sto na svom sistemu ne mozes da
pratis comp.os.linux.answers i ostale linux grupe u kojima mozes naci sve
sto te zanima i mnogo vise od toga, je nesto gdje ti niko od Linuxovaca ne
moze pomoci :). Ako zelis da budes 'in touch', tj. da imas informacije i
mogucnost da u 'realnom vremenu' dobijes pomoc, snadji se za nalog na nekom
racunaru na BInt (preporucujem osmeh, to ces vjerovatno najlakse da dobijes)
i pocni da citas comp.os.linux.* i yu.os.unix iz prve ruke.
unix.638skerl,
│ Da li neko ima (ili je koristio, cuo, ...) neki development system
│ za sockets pod DOS-om.
└────
Pogledaj ka9q. Ima ga na ffs-u.
Pozdrav,
Skerl.
unix.639postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:22:37 GMT
Danko Jevtovic (danko@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Da li neko ima (ili je koristio, cuo, ...) neki development system za sockets
: pod DOS-om. Postoji neki FTP, ali nij eu javnom vlasnistu, a izgleda postoji i
: nesto u javnom valsnistvu, ali ne znam koliko je dokumetovano. Cilj je
: napisati na DOS radnoj stanici (bez Win) aplikaciju koja koristi TCP/IP.
Na fon-u egzistira NCSA-Telnet exe i sors. Moglo bi posluziti u pocetku kao
vodic. Cim stignem pretrescu Linux CD-ee, mozda se i tamo nadje stogod
pogodno i za DOS.
unix.640postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: MiniLinux! Sta sad?
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:44:21 GMT
Zolnaj Stanislav (zstan@setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: O minilinux-u (dalje linux) se dosta pricalo u poslednje vreme u ovoj
: konferenciji, pa me je stvar zainteresovala jer sam dobio novu masinu
: (DX2/66;8MB;540MB) i resih da malo zamenim Win 3.11 sa tim cudom.
: Stvar je DL-ovana sa FON-a instalirana, pokrenuta, ali stvari nisu
: tako jednostavne. Verovatno sam zaboravio svoje prapocetke upotrebe DOS-a,
: ali mi se cini da je tada islo brze i lakse.
: Posle login-a covek ne zna odakle i na koju stranu da krene.
: Prosecnom korisniku DOS-a kao sto sam ja ;)), rudimentarni help koji sam
: uspeo da iscupam nije mnogo pomogao. Onda rekoh, daj da nesto vise procitamo,
: te nabavih "UNIX vodic kroz sistem" P.Silvestera, neke stavari su postale
: jasnije o UNIX-u uopste, ali kako se sta podesava i pokrece u linux-u to je i
: dalje "mracna strana sveta" pa mislim da tu neke stvari fale u sistemu.
: Tamo dge je okacen Linux na BBS-ove, dajte i neko detaljnije uputstvo
: kako se on podesava, sta sve sadrzi u sebi, sta i kako moze da se pokrene,
: gde su helpovi, gde su FAQ-ovi, i ostalo da covek koji ima nameru da krene sa
: tom stvari moze da napreduje. Ako su dosli sa instalacijom moja malenkost ih
: ne nalazi, a ako nisu dodajte jos koji MB tekstova i objasnjenja, pa ko hoce
: neka cita, kome ne treba i ne mora, ali meni vec mesec dana stoji na disku,
: a ja nikako da dodjem do informacija kako se cela stvar efikasnije koristi.
: Sistem pitanja i tumacenja u konferenciji na mrezi je dosta spor
: (poruka putuje par dana, na nju se odgovori ili ne odgovri za par dana, a sve
: to traje), a ako neko hoce ozbiljno da se time bavi, cini mi se da je to
: za prosecnog korisnika tesko moguce u ovakvom okruzenju.
Postoji HOWTO za Linux opodesavaanjima i o jos nekim stvarima. Postoje
FAQ-ovi neznam dali se distribbiiraju u mL-u (u slackware-u je to F serija)
postoji man, koristis ga tako sto kucas man pa kao parametar ono sto te
interesuje npr. man uucp ..
Za vecinu programa njegovu sintaksu kao i opcije mozes naci kucanjem :
<program> --help
npr. ls --help
Postoje FAQ za pocetnike ali neznam gde posto ih nisam koristio..
: Pozdrav Linux-ovcima, ali sam ja i pored dobre volje
: jos uvek daleko od vaseg drustva.
unix.641danko,
porsto sam trazio neki TCP/IP za DOS dobio sam preporuke da pogledamna FON-u
pakete NCSA i KA9Q. Skinucu ih da pogledam o ceku se radi, a molio bih da ako
neko ima konkretnog iskustva kaze u par reci kakve su glavne karakteristike (i
razliek) ova dva paketa. Takodje me intersuje da li je Sockets interface pod
DOS-om iole standardizovan, tako da, na primer, ista aplikacija moze da radi i
pod NCSA i pod KA9Q i pod FTP i pod Novell LAN Workplace for DOS ?
DANKO
unix.642spantic,
> From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
> 4 CD, InfoMagic Developer's Resource, $25+$5(troäkovi), u USA. Reüe mi
> üovjek da je i Budimpeäti bagatelno.
15$+5$ za SAD. U Sloveniji je 50 DEM. Na diskovima je i BSD.
unix.643violator,
:>> 15$+5$ za SAD. U Sloveniji je 50 DEM. Na diskovima je i BSD.
A ovde?
unix.644novim,
" Postoje FAQ za pocetnike ali neznam gde posto ih nisam koristio..
Ima ga ovde, na Sezamu, u U:\unix direktorijumu.
unix.645omega,
Malopre sam pazljivije pogledao kad sam se logovao na fon.fon
i blago sam se sokirao ;)
>SCO UNIX System V/386 Release 3.2
>Copyright (C) 1976-1990 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
>Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation <----------- sta ce oni ovde
>Copyright (C) 1983-1993 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
>All Rights Reserved
>fon
unix.646iznogud,
:: Malopre sam pazljivije pogledao kad sam se logovao na fon.fon
:: i blago sam se sokirao ;)
Bolje će ti odgovoriti neki od guru-a ;), al čak i ja znam
da je SCO UNIX nastao iz XENIX-a, tj. da je SCO otkupio
od MS-a XENIX i kasnije ga doradio.
Mislim da sam negde čuo priču da je jedan od glavnih akcionara
SCO-a Microsoft.
Ne vredi, ne može im se pobeći ;))))))
unix.647postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:26:58 GMT
Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Nekoliko pitanja u vezi Jukinog mL:
: 1) Da li moze bez problema da radi sa Qemm+kes+razni tsr programi
: kombinacijom?
Ijo, pa to nije simulator Linux-a nego Linux koji kada pozoves ga preuzima
sve na sebe (tj. kernel) memoriju disk mountuje kao / i uopste posle
ucitavanja u mem nema nicega od DOS-a ..
: 2) Zasto man ne vredi nista (cak ni man finger ne radi)?
Nesto nije dobro..
: 3) Kako se uopste stvaraju novi korisnici na unix-u?
adduser
i posle odgovoris na pitanje ..
: 4) Da li postoji ijedan program u graf modu?
Ubre.. Pa ima programa koji rade preko svga lib-a a imas i programe za X ..
: 5) Zasto mi prijavljuje EGA, a ne VGA?
To za konzolu. I meni to radi (pravi Linux) ali nisam primetio nikakve
probleme u vezi toga ..
: 6) Kako je moglo da se desi da mi, kao root-u, prijavi access denied
: za neke stvari?
Nebi trebo.. Neznam sta si radio ..
Bolje radi kao obican user el kao root mozes sve da obrises..
unix.648postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:21:49 GMT
Srdan Pantic (spantic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> > From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
-> > 4 CD, InfoMagic Developer's Resource, $25+$5(tro kovi), u USA. Re e mi
-> > ovjek da je i Budimpe ti bagatelno.
-> 15$+5$ za SAD. U Sloveniji je 50 DEM. Na diskovima je i BSD.
Dobro, ako ti kazes. Iako mi se nalaze na pola metra od mene u ovom
trenutku, moguce je da si u pravu :).
Helem, posto nije prevelik, evo ga i readme.lnx sa prvog diska. Na kraju
je roadmap, sa sadrzajem diskova, onako u grubo :).
..............
Welcome to the March Edition
of the
InfoMagic Linux Developer's Resource CD-ROM
23 March 1995
Highlights of the current release:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Slackware 2.2.0
Kernel sources up to version 1.2.1.
XFree86 3.1.1 integrated into Slackware. XFree86 2.1, 2.1.1 and 3.1
are also included.
The WordPerfect SCO demo which runs with the Linux iBSC package.
A demo of FlagShip, an application generator for Linux, like Clipper
under DOS. This was made available by Mark Bolzern.
A demo of "zbbs" from Maple Leaf Software.
A demo of Executor, a MAC emulator for Linux.
A live image of a full Slackware 2.2.0 installation that may be used to
run directly from the CD via symbolic links. This option is fully
supported by the Slackware setup utility. Thanks to Patrick for
making this available to everyone.
The full Slackware 2.2.0 source tree.
The "mini-linux" distribution that allows a Linux "Test Drive" from
an existing DOS partition.
General Information about the Linux Developer's Resource
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
These discs are published every two months (or so) and include
snapshots of the TSX-11.MIT.EDU and Sunsite.UNC.EDU linux archives.
As with previous editions we have included the complete GNU archive from
prep.ai.mit.edu so as to be in full compliance with the GNU Public
License, a copy of which is provided in the "gnu" directory.
The following are mirrored directly from their home sites:
Slackware
wine
Kernel Sources
sunacm (Networking Code)
bogus distribution
Flagship
GNU sources
JE & JF
and (naturally) sunsite and TSX.
See the RoadMap at the end of this file for the layout of the 4-CDs.
These discs are mastered in ISO-9660 format with Rock Ridge extensions
to preserve the long mixed case filenames and deeply nested directory
structure.
A few large packages common to TSX-11 & SuNSITE have been merged and
put into top level directories. This includes the kernel distributions
and XFree86.
Some popular packages have been removed due to copyright
restrictions, these include: Mosaic, Netscape, kermit, getty_ps, xv,
and Chimera. We applogize for the inconvenience. These (and more)
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(165.113.211.2).
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ncftp (Mike Gleason)
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off the root of disc 1. The HowTo material is also provided in the
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where "X" is the letter corresponding to your CD-ROM.
Included distributions and their versions are shown below.
Slackware 2.2.0
SLS 1.0.6
JE Latest version from September
MCC 1.0+
Debian 0.91 and 0.93
bogus 1.0.1
In the directory "lininst" on Disc 1, is a Microsoft Windows based
installation utility that will assist you in selecting the correct
boot kernel based on your hardware. It will create the boot & root
diskettes for Slackware within Windows. It also detects your CD
drives and floppy drives. It may be run directly from the CD, or
copied to the hard disk. If for some reason it does not correctly
detect your CD, you may invoke it with the drive letter on the
command line to override the automatic CD detection.
SLACKWARE 2.2.0 Notes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Due to changes in the Slackware setup, the distribution now appears
directly off the root of Disc 1. The installation sets are in the
directory "slakware" to match the expectations of the setup utility.
The directories "slaktest" and "link2cd" are used for CD dependant
installs as explained in the Slackware setup screens.
The Boot & Root disks are in the directory "slakinst" to make them
easier to find under DOS (where long file names are not allowed :-).
Please refer to the installation notes in the "slakware" directory
before proceeding. Contributed software is in the directory
"slakinst/contrib" on disc 1.
The complete source tree is in "Slackware_Source" also on Disc 1.
This tree contains a set of scripts to build either the entire tree
of any part of it. These scripts are called SlackBuild.
Notes for NewComers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In the "howto" subdirectory of disc 1, there are a series of
HOWTO documents that provide detailed instructions on how to configure
and install nearly every aspect of Linux. Please refer to these
before starting if you have never done it before ! There is some
additional material in the "guide" directory of disc 1. These documents
are in UNIX(tm) format which means they do not end in CRLF, only LF
and will therefore not print on most DOS systems. You will need to
view them with an editor or word processor (or use the included
Multimedia Viewer software).
The easiest distribution to use seems to be Slackware. Please refer
to the material in the "slakinst" directory on disc 1 for help in
getting started.
The tools used to create the bootable floppies, for all the
distributions, are in the directory "dos_util" on disc 1. This
directory also contains a number of partition manipulation utilities
including one called "fips" that can be used to resize DOS partitions
without damaging them. Please read the file "fips09.doc" before using
it.
The "boot" and "root" images have been uncompressed, so you may ignore
the mention of "gzip" in the install notes.
Additional Information
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The file "00_find" contains the result of the command:
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Technical Support
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
InfoMagic is pleased to provide as much technical support as we can.
Please do not hesitate to either email, FAX, or phone us with any
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Enjoy Linux, and check out our other CD's in the file "catalog.txt"
RoadMap
~~~~~~~
disc1/slakware Installation disk sets
disc1/slakinst Boot/Root disk images
disc1/Slackware_Source Source tree for everything in Slackware
disc1/link2cd Slackware Packages to "run" off the CD.
disc1/slaktest Alternate version of CD dependant install.
disc1/minilin A UMSDOS based install in 4 floppy
sized pieces. Copy to your hard disk
under DOS, unzip and boot immediately
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disc1/HOWTO Linux HowTo docs
disc1/guides Linux Installation, Network
Administrator, System Admin, and
Kernel Hackers "guides"
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referenced in the Quickstart Guide
disc1/viewer HowTo docs in Microsoft Windows
Viewer format
disc1/dos_util Utilities to create boot floppies
disc1/demos Demos of WordPerfect, FlagShip, zBBS,
Executor (MAC emulator) and Cockpit.
disc1/lininst Microsoft Windows based Install Disk Builder.
disc2/sunsite Archive from sunsite.unc.edu
disc2/MCC The venerable MCC 1.0+ distribution
disc3/tsx-11 Archive from tsx-11.mit.edu
disc3/kernel Kernel sources up to 1.2.1
disc3/wine Windows Emulator archive
disc3/Oberon Oberon System for Linux
disc3/Scheme MIT Scheme
disc3/sunacm Alan Cox's networking code and utilities
disc4/XFree86 Versions 2.1, 2.1.1, 3.1, and 3.1.1
Binaries only.
disc4/bogus Bogus version 1.0.1
disc4/debian Debian release 0.93R5
disc4/JE Japanese Extensions
disc4/JF Japanese HowTo's
disc4/gnu GNU archive from prep.ai.mit.edu
The following people have provided help and advice in the preparation
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Stacey Brewer (slb@infomagic.com)
Mark Horton (mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us)
Fred van Kempen (waltje@infomagic.com)
unix.649postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 06:53:44 GMT
Danko Jevtovic (danko@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> porsto sam trazio neki TCP/IP za DOS dobio sam preporuke da pogledamna FON-u
-> pakete NCSA i KA9Q. Skinucu ih da pogledam o ceku se radi, a molio bih da ako
-> neko ima konkretnog iskustva kaze u par reci kakve su glavne karakteristike (i
-> razliek) ova dva paketa. Takodje me intersuje da li je Sockets interface pod
-> DOS-om iole standardizovan, tako da, na primer, ista aplikacija moze da radi i
-> pod NCSA i pod KA9Q i pod FTP i pod Novell LAN Workplace for DOS ?
'vako. NCSA i KA9Q rjesavaju problem za sebe, a ne za druge programe. Nema
nacina da se startuje druga aplikacija preko njih, oni nisu zamisljeni da
budu drajver bilo kome. Eventualna korist od njih je upotreba njihovog
sorsa. KA9Q ima neki svoj interni multitasking, ima bolju podrsku (tj IMA
podrsku) za multiple interfejse, ima drajvere za paket radio (to mu je i
osnovna namjena) i moze da radi fino kao router za neke manje zahtjevne
mreze.
Jedina (koliko-toliko) standardna stvar na DOS je packet driver. Ali, on
rjesava samo najnizi nivo... A tek onda idu IP, ARP, ICMP, TCP, UDP...
Brrrrr :).
Dobra vijest je da je ce uskoro da se pojavi jedan dobar toolkit iz domace
kujne. Sa sve internim multitaskinzima i slicnim stvarcicama, nuznim za
dobar TCP/IP.
UBR, Microshaft je vrlo bRezobrazan kad je TCP/IP u pitanju, i to moze da se vidi
iz velicine njihovog TCPIP drajvera za DOS. Monstrum.
-> DANKO
dragisha
unix.650postmast,
From: Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Janev)
Subject: atp QWK/Linux
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:27:00
Imam problema sa atp QWK OLR-om za Linux.
1. Kad dodam novi paket u bazu uvek mi je prva neprocitana poruka, zadnja
procitana poruka iz proslog paketa.
2. Kad mi pakuje .rep paket zip-om redevno mi javlja da nemoze da upise
.rep fajl i isti mi upise u upload direktorium kao _z00xxx gde su xxx neke
cifre. Dali je mozda problem sto je upload direktorium na dos particiji?
Hvala na pomoci.
damJANev
...
* ATP/Linux 1.42 * Hey! Don't shoot that postal worker <BANG!> NO CARRIER
* Origin: SETNet: Struga BBS +389 96 74074 * Macedonia * (38:108/108)
unix.651zeljkoj,
>> Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation <-----------
>> sta ce oni ovde
He, he... još malo pa će Microsoft zavladati svetom. :)
unix.652spantic,
>> SCO UNIX System V/386 Release 3.2
>> Copyright (C) 1976-1990 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
>> Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation <----------- sta ce oni
>> ovde Copyright (C) 1983-1993 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Jesi ti odavde? ;)
Bilo je o tomedosta govora ranije. Microsoft drži dobar deo (ako ne i većinu)
deonica SCO-a.
unix.653postmast,
From: Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Janev)
Subject: unix
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 18:14:00
"ivan Petrovic",
In a message on 19 June, wrote :
"P> Nekoliko pitanja u vezi Jukinog mL:
"P> 1) Da li moze bez problema da radi sa Qemm+kes+razni tsr programi
"P> kombinacijom?
Trebalo bi posto loadlinu.exe kompletno prazni memoriju pre
ucitavanja kernela.
"P> 3) Kako se uopste stvaraju novi korisnici na unix-u?
Komandom adduser.
"P> 4) Da li postoji ijedan program u graf modu?
Za YUCCA mL neznam ali Slackware ima.
damJANev
...
* ATP/Linux 1.42 * "All my hidden skills are undiscovered." - Clinton
* Origin: SETNet: Struga BBS +389 96 74074 * Macedonia * (38:108/108)
unix.654postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:23:04 GMT
: UBR, Microshaft je vrlo bRezobrazan kad je TCP/IP u pitanju, i to moze da se vidi
: iz velicine njihovog TCPIP drajvera za DOS. Monstrum.
: dragisha
Ovo se dobrim delom moze smanjiti ako se pobrisu svi *.msg fajlovi
osim net.msg, jer ih MS TCP/IP ucitava u memoriju i brzinom munje salje
poruke o greskama. A ako se stvar dobro namesti ond nema ni gresaka pa ni
potrebe za tim fajlovima (sadrzajima). Takodje se moze namestiti da TCP/IP
radi u prostoj konfiguraciji, kad je mnogo kraci. Doduse na razlicitim
masinama nece uvek da prodje, a cim provalim zasto srocicu malecnu knjizicu
o stosovima instalacije MS TCP/IP-a.
Pozdrav. Srdjan
unix.655spantic,
> From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
> -> > 4 CD, InfoMagic Developer's Resource, $25+$5(tro kovi), u USA. Re e mi
> -> > ovjek da je i Budimpe ti bagatelno.
>
> -> 15$+5$ za SAD. U Sloveniji je 50 DEM. Na diskovima je i BSD.
>
> Dobro, ako ti kazes. Iako mi se nalaze na pola metra od mene u ovom
> trenutku, moguce je da si u pravu :).
Izvinjavam se, mnogo se izvinjavam. Nismo govorili o istim diskovima,
a krivica je do mene, mada je paket (na žalost kratko za sada) bio pored
mene. Informacija je inače krenula od Skerla, a paket se zaista isplati
nabavljati:
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unix.656bulaja,
│Bilo je o tomedosta govora ranije. Microsoft drži dobar deo (ako ne i
│većinu) deonica SCO-a.
└───
Ali to nije sigurno razlog da spominju njegovo ime na ovakav način
(možeš misliti na šta bi ličila imena kompanija i njihovih proizvoda
kada bi u njih ulazili i nazivi većih deoničara:). Ovo "Copyright ...
Microsoft" verovatno potiče od Microsoft C-a, pošto se u licenci za
njega spominje da je potrebno navesti kopirajt poruku ukoliko program
koji se distribuira (u ovom slučaju SCO Unix kernel) sadrži deo koda
na koji Microsoft polaže prava (u ovom slučaju Microsoft C Run-Time
Library). Dosta programa (recimo Clipper) spominje Microsoft-ov
Copyright baš zbog ove klauzule, ne znam da li je u novijim verzijama
MSC ona izbačena.
unix.657omega,
Ţ Jesi ti odavde? ;)
Nisam ;) Od skora pratim u ovu temu.
ŢMicrosoft drzi dobar deo (ako ne i vecinu) deonica SCO-a.
Hm, znaci moze da utice na unix trziste?
unix.658zeljkoj,
> Microsoft" verovatno potiče od Microsoft C-a, pošto se u
> licenci za njega spominje da je potrebno navesti kopirajt
> poruku ukoliko program koji se distribuira (u ovom slučaju SCO
> Unix kernel) sadrži deo koda na koji Microsoft polaže prava (u
> ovom slučaju Microsoft C Run-Time
Znači da ja, kada napišem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i
Copyright Microsoft Corporation!?
unix.660spantic,
> Ali to nije sigurno razlog da spominju njegovo ime na ovakav način
> (možeš misliti na šta bi ličila imena kompanija i njihovih proizvoda
> kada bi u njih ulazili i nazivi većih deoničara:). Ovo "Copyright ...
> Microsoft" verovatno potiče od Microsoft C-a, pošto se u licenci za
Sasvim verovatno. Pošto C uz SCOjeste od MS-a, veomaje verovatno
da je u njemu rađen razvoj. A možda je inicijalno ipak sve od
XENIX-a.
unix.661vcalic,
>> Ovo "Copyright ... Microsoft" verovatno potiče od Microsoft C-a, pošto se u
>> licenci za njega spominje da je potrebno navesti kopirajt poruku ukoliko
>> program koji se distribuira (u ovom slučaju SCO Unix kernel) sadrži deo
>> koda na koji Microsoft polaže prava
Mislim da nije to u pitanju, već to što SCO Unix sadrži delove koda
koje je razvio Microsoft za svoj nekadašnji Xenix iz koga je, evolucijom ;),
nastao i SCO Unix.
Vlada
unix.662vcalic,
>> ŢMicrosoft drzi dobar deo (ako ne i vecinu) deonica SCO-a.
>>
>> Hm, znaci moze da utice na unix trziste?
Naravno, zar si sumnjao? ;)
U suštini Microsoft je "odustao" od Xenix-a kad je počeo da radi OS/2,
s tim što je tada prodao Xenix SCO-u, da bi ga zatim otkupio (ili je redosled
išao obrnuto?).
Jel' se seća neko tog MS Xenix-a koji je radio i na 286-icama? Sećam
se da je negde '88-'89 bio vrlo šminkerska stvar, u fazonu "daaaaj, čoveče, ti
još koristiš taj DOS? Pređi bre na Unix". Međutim, takvi su se teško
navikavali na Unix komande, pa su se brzo vratili na DOS ;)
Vlada
unix.663violator,
:>> Izvinjavam se, mnogo se izvinjavam. Nismo govorili o istim
:>>diskovima, a krivica je do mene, mada je paket (na žalost kratko
:>>za sada) bio pored mene. Informacija je inače krenula od Skerla, a
:>>paket se zaista isplati nabavljati:
Pa sve je to fino i krasno, ali gde to ima da se kupi u ovom gradu
(a da nije kod pirata!)
unix.664bulaja,
│Znači da ja, kada napišem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i
│Copyright Microsoft Corporation!?
└───
Nisam siguran šta je sve Microsoft strpao u licence agreement, ali
ukoliko program sadrži kompletan MS C Run-Time Lib (što obično nije
slučaj sa većinom programa) onda treba navesti (c), inače nije baš
neophodno (but don't take my word for that).
unix.665spantic,
> Pa sve je to fino i krasno, ali gde to ima da se kupi u ovom gradu
> (a da nije kod pirata!)
Kakvih pirata? Ako ima zainteresovanih za taj komplet Linux-a
neka mi se jave na mail, mislim da se može postići rešenje pošto
treba kolega da dođe.
unix.666inforts,
Predlažem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka se
govori o opštim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...).
Pozdrav Dragan
unix.667snemcev,
>> A demo of FlagShip, an application generator for Linux, like Clipper
>> under DOS. This was made available by Mark Bolzern.
Ima li ko ovde ovo? Kad nema pune verzije, bar demo da vidimo. :)
unix.668zormi,
* Pa sve je to fino i krasno, ali gde to ima da se kupi u ovom gradu
* (a da nije kod pirata!)
IMTEL CD Klub. Cena je 200 din za 4 x CD, original naravno.
Neko će reći "zašto je LINUX skuplji od recimo FULL THROTTLE kada
napolju ovaj drugi košta bar 5 puta više?", ali nažalost cene na
našem tržištu diktiraju pirati sa svojim kopijama.
unix.669smarkov,
> Ima li ko ovde ovo? Kad nema pune verzije, bar demo da vidimo. :)
Na pomenutom kompletu diskova se nalazi samo demo verzija. Ako postoji
veće interesovanje (i ako nije mnogo veliko ;) poslaćemo. Inače, mail za
dogovor i komunikacija po GSB transport protokolu :).
unix.670jeremy,
Treba mi uputstvo za Linux u elektronskom obliku. Gde mogu da ga nabavim ?
Ima li to neko, i da li bi bio voljan da mi pošalje? Pod uputstvom podrazumevam
uputstvo za instalaciju i osnovne operacije. Može i kompletno uputstvo
unix.671postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:37:03 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: >> Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation <-----------
: >> sta ce oni ovde
: He, he... jos malo pa ce Microsoft zavladati svetom. :)
Ovo je kompletna copyright lista koju SCO ispisuje pri dizanju...
Uglavnom su to vlasnici raznih paketa koje SCO ugradjuje u SCO Unix,
(mali test za Unix-ovce: koji paketi su u pitanju? :-)), bila je
rasprava u biz.sco.general pre par meseci o povezanosti SCO <--> MS.
Inace, MS poseduje deo SCO, a i prica se da im je za Open Server 5.0
poslao par stotina inzenjera :-)) Iskopace njega Bili :-))
Copyright (C) 1983-1993 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1985-1993 Locus Computing Corporation: DOS Merge
Copyright (C) 1987-1993 Lachman Technology, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation
Copyright (C) 1976-1990 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1988-1990 SecureWare, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1989 Acer Corporation
Copyright (C) 1993 Intel Corporation
Copyright (C) 1984-1989 Mouse Systems Corporation
Copyright (C) 1986 Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1987 Convergent Technologies, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1989-1991 Open Software Foundation, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1988-1992 IXI Ltd.
Copyright (C) 1988-1991 Digital Equipment Corporation
Copyright (C) 1985-1992 Metagraphics Software Corporation
Copyright (C) 1991-1992 Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Copyright (C) 1991 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Copyright (C) 1991-1992 Xware.
Copyright (C) 1993, Dell Computer Corporation.
All Rights Reserved.
Copyright (C) 1994 IBM Corporation
--
Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
unix.672postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:21:45 GMT
Marko Nesovic (violator@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> :>> Izvinjavam se, mnogo se izvinjavam. Nismo govorili o istim
-> :>>diskovima, a krivica je do mene, mada je paket (na zalost kratko
-> :>>za sada) bio pored mene. Informacija je inace krenula od Skerla, a
-> :>>paket se zaista isplati nabavljati:
-> Pa sve je to fino i krasno, ali gde to ima da se kupi u ovom gradu
-> (a da nije kod pirata!)
Sumnjam da toga ima kod pirata. Ti CD su vani toliko jeftini da se ne
isplati dati pare za snimanje na CD :).
unix.673postmast,
From: ivanstam@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Stamenkovic)
Subject: cp -- tajanstvena komanda
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:48:02 GMT
unix.674postmast,
From: ivanstam@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Stamenkovic)
Subject: cp -- tajanstvena komanda
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:53:22 GMT
unix.675postmast,
From: ivanstam@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Stamenkovic)
Subject: cp -- tajanstvena komanda
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:55:27 GMT
unix.676postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: sybase
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:14:00 GMT
README: Open Client/C for LINUX, version 10.0.3
The TAR file accessible below is a LINUX port of Sybase's Client-Library,
which is the native System 10 interface included in Sybase's Open Client
products. It is available as freeware, with no license fees and no product
support, as part of Sybase's active participation in Internet activities.
We hope that it will be helpful to LINUX users wanting access to SQL Server
(and other Sybase server products) on non-LINUX platforms.
This port is unsupported, and does not include documentation. Users wanting
documentation may choose to buy the Open Client documentation set for a
similar platform (such as Solaris) in order to become familiar with
Client-Library's features, installation, and interfaces. Documentation
orders can be made (in the US) by calling 1-800-8-SYBASE. While problem
reports are welcome from users of LINUX Client-Library, we will generally
not be able to respond directly to these reports. Licensed users of Open
Client on other platforms will want to get technical assistance (report
problems) on their supported environments.
The port comes in 2 parts: the sybase.tgz file is required, the
devlib.tgz contains symbolic versions of Open Client libraries
which may be useful in debugging.
sybase.tgz:
Total disk space required is 0.5 MB compressed; 1.6 MB uncompressed.
Recommended memory for LINUX clients is 2 MB.
devlib.tgz
Total disk space required is 4.9 MB compressed; 13.0 MB uncompressed.
Recommended memory for LINUX clients using devlibs is 4 MB.
Some Sybase user communities may want to copy this TAR file (including
README) to local web sites, making it easier to obtain copies for
local users or during peak network times.
IMPORTANT: READ THIS DISCLAIMER BEFORE USING THE FOLLOWING CODE:
THIS CODE IS BEING DISTRIBUTED FREE OF CHARGE. IT IS NOT A SYBASE PRODUCT,
IS NOT SUPPORTED BY SYBASE AND IS PROVIDED "AS-IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
KIND. SYBASE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS, EITHER EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, MERCHANTABLE QUALITY, NONINFRINGEMENT AND FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE (WHETHER ARISING BY STATUTE OR IN LAW OR AS A RESULT OF
A COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE). IN NO EVENT SHALL SYBASE BE LIABLE
FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR LOSS OF DATA OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING
WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR SPECIAL
DAMAGES, EVEN IF SYBASE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
DAMAGES.
unix.677postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:19:06 GMT
Zeljko Jovanovic (zeljkoj@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* >>> Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation <-----------
/* >>> sta ce oni ovde
/* >He, he... jos malo pa ce Microsoft zavladati svetom. :)
Oce, oce, al za malo...:>>>>
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
Hot water Heaters: hot water needs heating?
unix.678postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: atp QWK/Linux
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:12:15 GMT
Damjan Janev (Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Imam problema sa atp QWK OLR-om za Linux.
: 1. Kad dodam novi paket u bazu uvek mi je prva neprocitana poruka, zadnja
: procitana poruka iz proslog paketa.
: 2. Kad mi pakuje .rep paket zip-om redevno mi javlja da nemoze da upise
: .rep fajl i isti mi upise u upload direktorium kao _z00xxx gde su xxx neke
: cifre. Dali je mozda problem sto je upload direktorium na dos particiji?
El si probo UQWK ?? Ovog nisam stigo da testiram..
unix.679postmast,
From: ivanstam@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Stamenkovic)
Subject: cp -- tajanstvena komanda
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:42:07 GMT
unix.680postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 10:58:16 GMT
In article <sezam$unix iznogud@sezam.UUCP writes:
>
>Mislim da sam negde cuo pricu da je jedan od glavnih akcionara
>SCO-a Microsoft.
To se da naslutiti iz oglasa i kataloga: recimo DEC koji ima _odlicnu_
saradnju sa microsoftom (ko je pisao nt ;-) svuda u svojim katalozima pise
nesto nalik na
drajveri za: MS Win3.11, Win NT i SCO. I ni jedan drugi OS. Ni jednom im se
nije omaklo da urade drajver za qnx, solaris ili nesto trece. sacuvaj boze za
os/2. a tek da ga pomenu. brrrr. Moze se tu naci jos i gomila slicnih primera.
Ocigledno je samo da su te tri firme u _velikom_ deal-u. Po mojoj licnoj
proceni, poznavajuci istorijat (lesinarske firme) microsoft, verovatno se
bill ostrvio na DEC. DEC je u godini kraha IBM-a imao drugi po velicini krah
(posle, IBM-a naravno) -- ne secam se u milrd. $ koliko je bilo, ali je to
bilo zataskavano (ipak DEC radi za DOD (Department of Defense)). Pravilo je
ocigledno: dinosaurusi ne zive dugo. MS, valjda poucen iskustvom (ili lovom)
koju je izvukao na konto IBMa sada pokusava da uradi isto sa DECom. Ubacuju se
polako na Alpha sisteme (setih se sada DEC AXP 2100, buaaa, ocu jedan! dva.)
bacili su istu kosku kao i IBM-u (Windows) pa ako ucare nesto, ucarili su.
Usput ko je sada na celu DEC-a? matori Olsen se penzionirao sa debelim kontom,
a ko je nasledio velikog tatu? [ne pratim vise DEC dogadjaje :-)]
--
Nikola Mitrovic | email: nikola@indigroup.com
Indian Group Network | nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
unix.681postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:16:08 GMT
Srdan Pantic (spantic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: >> SCO UNIX System V/386 Release 3.2
: >> Copyright (C) 1976-1990 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
: >> Copyright (C) 1980-1989 Microsoft Corporation <----------- sta ce oni
: >> ovde Copyright (C) 1983-1993 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
: Jesi ti odavde? ;)
: Bilo je o tomedosta govora ranije. Microsoft drzi dobar deo (ako ne i vecinu)
: deonica SCO-a.
Bas lepo :-(( ja mislio da ih u unix-u nema kad ono ..
Ali ima jos nesto gore pise Copyright (C) 1980-1989 sto ce reci da su na
njemu radili (razvijali) samo do 89 pa da se (izgleda) posle presli na Win.
unix.682novim,
" Treba mi uputstvo za Linux u elektronskom obliku. Gde mogu da ga
" nabavim ?
Ovde na Sezamu imaš
U:\UNIX\guide_li.zip
unix-faq.zip
pa pogledaj najpre to. :)
unix.683sir.oracle,
MOLIM ZA POMOC !!!
Jedini preostali streamer kapaciteta 60MB (DC600H) je nepovratno otisao u vecna
lovista. S obzirom da je to jedini streamer u mojoj blizoj i daljoj okolini tog
kapaciteta , a sticajem okolnosti neke stare ali povremeno veoma korisne arhive
nisu prebacene sa ovih traka molim za objasnjenje da li je ikako moguce
procitati ove trake na uredjajima veceg kapaciteta (npr. DC6525). Ukoliko to
nije moguce molim za pomoc nekoga ko ima streamer navedenog tipa da pokusamo da
procitamo ove trake. Bio bih veoma zahvalan svima koji mi u ovome pomognu.
UNAPRED HVALA !
unix.684postmast,
From: zstan@setnet.co.yu (Zolnaj Stanislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:49:55
Odg. na poruku od "Novica Milic" za All na temu
"unix",
na dan: 21 Jun 95 09:23:00
"M> " O minilinux-u (dalje linux) se dosta pricalo u poslednje vreme u
...
"M> " Tamo dge je okacen Linux na BBS-ove, dajte i neko detaljnije
"M> uputstvo " kako se on podesava, sta sve sadrzi u sebi, sta i kako moze
...
"M> Savrseno si u pravu s primedbom, ona stoji, i ja cu pokusati da do
"M> kraja meseca okacim (na brzom Sezamu, UBBG-i u FFS FON-a) jedan duzi
"M> info-fajl za pocetak rada na mL-u. Racunao sam na snalazenje ljudi,
"M> ali, svakako treba napraviti krace uputstvo.
Obzirom da sam ja pokrenuo ovu temu, zahvaljujem se na odzivu, trudu
i javni u konf kada i gde je stiglo.
Hvala i pozdrav, Stanislav.
... Kada resavas problem, puno pomaze ako znas resenje.
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
unix.685postmast,
From: zstan@setnet.co.yu (Zolnaj Stanislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:49:55
Odg. na poruku od "Vladimir Maric" za All na temu
"unix",
na dan: 21 Jun 95 19:30:00
#=> Sistem pitanja i tumacenja u konferenciji na mrezi je
#=> dosta spor (poruka putuje par dana, na nju se odgovori
#=> ili ne odgovri za par dana, a sve to traje), a ako neko
#=> hoce ozbiljno da se time bavi, cini mi se da je to za
#=> prosecnog korisnika tesko moguce u ovakvom okruzenju.
"M>
"M> Pregledaj materijale dostupne preko gopher i www servisa na
"M> beointernetu. naci ces gomilu interesantnih stvari.
U redu, ako sam dobro razumeo to su standardni servisi Interneta-a
ali kako ja kao prosecan korisnik racunara i adresom na Birostroju
mogu doci do tih cudesa?
U svakom slucaju hvala na sugestiji.
Pozdrav, Stanislav.
... Pustio sam brkove! Jos ih nema da se vrate.
* Origin: SETNet:Birostroj BBS:NON-STOP:14400bps:011/609945 (38:103/125)
unix.686postmast,
From: glisin@fon (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: cp -- tajanstvena komanda
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:21:19 GMT
Da li neko ista vidi u ovoj poruci ili to moj emulator ne prepoznaje
Ivanov rukopis ;-)))
Sve mi se cini da nije tajanstvena 'cp' komanda nego 'vi' editor...
=;-)))
unix.687postmast,
From: milan.stojanovic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Milan Stojanovic)
Subject: Unix
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:54:00 CET
QWK To: Vlada Calic
VC> Jel' se seca neko tog MS Xenix-a koji je radio i na 286-icama?
Ne secam se MS Xenix-a, ali se dobro secam SCO Xenix-a, koji je radio i
na 286-icama. Imam i originalni paket :)
Piksi.
... JUNK = stuff we throw away. STUFF = junk we keep.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: BBLink <tm> * Rolling Stones * 018.325.314 * Nis (2:382/105.5) #! rnews 1234
unix.688postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:32:21 GMT
Srdan Pantic (spantic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: > From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
: > -> > 4 CD, InfoMagic Developer's Resource, $25+$5(tro kovi), u USA. Re e mi
: > -> > ovjek da je i Budimpe ti bagatelno.
: >
: > -> 15$+5$ za SAD. U Sloveniji je 50 DEM. Na diskovima je i BSD.
: >
: > Dobro, ako ti kazes. Iako mi se nalaze na pola metra od mene u ovom
: > trenutku, moguce je da si u pravu :).
: Izvinjavam se, mnogo se izvinjavam. Nismo govorili o istim diskovima,
: a krivica je do mene, mada je paket (na zalost kratko za sada) bio pored
: mene. Informacija je inace krenula od Skerla, a paket se zaista isplati
: nabavljati:
: LinuxWare Supplement 4 announcement
: Trans-Ameritech Systems announcing:
El moz da se nabavi neki takav komplet (kao InfoMAGIC ili ovaj drugi)u BGD-u
i kolka je cena ??
unix.689postmast,
From: Uros.Maksimovic@f110.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Uros Maksimovic)
Subject: upload\download
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:19:59
Imam racun na Osmehu vec duze vreme, ali mi nikako ne polazi za rukom da
nesto download-ujem. Kad pocnem prenos odmah nastaje gomila gresaka i moram
da prekinem transfer.
... Catch the Blue Wave!
* Origin: # New Age # 22-08h # Beograd # SETNet: (38:103/110)
unix.690vlador,
> nesto download-ujem. Kad pocnem prenos odmah nastaje gomila gresaka i moram
> da prekinem transfer.
Ja sam sa dl na osmehu imao problem dok sam koristio telemate (prenese
4 kb i nece dalje). Kad sam presao na Procomm 4 Win, problem je nestao.
Probaj da koristis neki eksterni zmodem.
unix.691omega,
miniLinux:
- kako obrisati korisnika?
- zasto ne radi mailer?
- kako ga postaviti da mu se prilazi modemski?
unix.692novim,
" miniLinux:
" - kako obrisati korisnika?
Naredbom userdel username.
" - zasto ne radi mailer?
Jer tek treba da dođe ceo komunikacioni paket u kojem je i mailer jedan
od delova.
" - kako ga postaviti da mu se prilazi modemski?
Ako je reč o mL-u koji je na (brzom) Sezamu, Ubbu ili Fonu, u njemu je
već postavljeno sve za dial-in (ako je modem na commu 2). Treba
samo skloniti znak # na početku 50 reda fajla /etc/inittab. U tom
fajlu piše kako i šta ako je modem drugde.
unix.693dejanr,
>> Znači da ja, kada napišem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i
>> Copyright Microsoft Corporation!?
I da i ne. žitao sam Microsoft-ovu licencu, i ona kaže sledeće:
ako program ima TVOJ Copyright, *ne moraš* da stavljaš njihov.
Međutim, ako rešiš da program *nema* tvoj (niti ičiji drugi)
Copyright, tj. da ga deliš potpuno besplatno i odrekneš se svih
prava na program, onda moraš da napišeš da su delovi programa
(run-time biblioteke) pod Microsoft-ovim copyright-om.
Dosta razuman zahtev, po mom mišljenju.
unix.694omega,
mL:
- Talk ne radi!? Prijavljuje: Host name lookup failure
- Jel uopste postoji DOS emulator?
- Da li root moze potpuno da se prebaci u 'mod gledanja' onoga
sta radi drugi korisnik?
- Kako da klirisem ;) korisnika, kill procesa mi nesto ne uspeva?
- Jel ima neka dobra knjiga za UNIX, ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj
formi je vrlo povrsno i slabo napisano?
- Posto vidim da u tom mL nedostaje previse stvari, zanima me jel
moze negde da se pronadje Linux koji nije preterano veliki,
a sadrzi gnu c++, mailer i sl.?
- Da li, ako se instalira na svoju particiju, dolazi do znacajnih
ubrzanja?
- Sta bi sa onom najavljivanom drugom i trecom Yucca verzijom?
- Dosta za danas :)
unix.695danko,
>> MOLIM ZA POMOC !!!
>> Jedini preostali streamer kapaciteta 60MB (DC600H) je nepovratno otisao
Ja imam Archive 150MB strimer sa DC6150 trakama koji bi mozda mogao da cita i
DC600A. Naravno pitanje je softvera. Javi se da probamo nesto!
DANKO
unix.696danko,
Imam jedno "glupo"pitanj:
Da li odogovor na PING dolazi direktno sa IP nivoa ili treba starovatoi nesto
kao Ping Deamon ? Pitam je nisam uspeo da pingujem izmedju sledecis sistem
(niko nisakim nece, a svako vidi sebe) Novell Netwrae 4.10 (dve mrezne karte sa
IP adresama 11.11.11.11 i 14.14.14.14), Novell Lanworkplace for Dos (adresa
12.12.12.12) i Windows NT server 3.5 (adresa 13.13.13.13). Na sviam mi je
subnet maska bila 255.0.0.0 (ne znam da li je sve to dobro postavljeno). Na
Novell proizvodiam sam postao frame type na Ethernet_II, a na Windows NT nisam
video kako se to setuje.
Ima li neko ideju za pomoc ?
DANKO
unix.697postmast,
From: vnovak@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Vladimir Novakovic)
Subject: X terminal
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 08:05:52 GMT
Interesuje me kakvi rebaju da budu hardware-ski zahtevi za uvodjenje
X terminala, na koji nacin se ostvaruje veza host/terminal (interesu-
je me samo hardware-ske karakteristike.
pozdrav
novak
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Vladimir Novakovic * N. Bgd. * YU * e-mail: vnovak@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu *
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
unix.698postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: X terminal
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 12:54:57 GMT
Vladimir Novakovic (vnovak@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Interesuje me kakvi rebaju da budu hardware-ski zahtevi za uvodjenje
: X terminala, na koji nacin se ostvaruje veza host/terminal (interesu-
: je me samo hardware-ske karakteristike.
Veza host-terminal se ostvaruje preko TCP/IP mreze, znaci, prvi
hardverski zahtev: mrezna kartica :-)) Sto se ostalih zahteva tice, nista
posebno sa strane hosta, a X terminal bi trebalo da sa svoje strane
to vec ima reseno.
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unix.699novim,
" mL:
" - Dosta za danas :)
Vala isto. O;>
unix.700violator,
I niko ništa ne zna o nabavljanju CD linuxa u Beogradu :((((
unix.701kuki,
> miniLinux:
> - kako obrisati korisnika?
userdel -r username
> - zasto ne radi mailer?
zato što nemaš sendmail :) pokupi ga sa recimo galeba :)
unix.702snemcev,
>> Na pomenutom kompletu diskova se nalazi samo demo verzija.
Fala jasno. Kao što rekoh, kad nema pune verzije, daj bar demo da
vidimo.
>> Ako postoji veće interesovanje (i ako nije mnogo veliko ;) poslaćemo.
Pa valjda postoji. Pošalji poruku u PC.PROG:clipper, pa ćeš da vidiš
koliko je. :)
>> Inače, mail za dogovor i komunikacija po GSB transport protokolu :).
:((( A za nas van Beograda? Može li bar 14,400 da pomogne?
unix.703novim,
" mL:
" - Talk ne radi!? Prijavljuje: Host name lookup failure
Ma, napisah da nedostaje ceo komunikacijski deo, a to će biti gotovo i
pušteno onda kad stignem da sve to sredim (ja ili neko drugi, sasvim
svejedno).
" - Jel uopste postoji DOS emulator?
Pa naravno. (A da ti pronađeš ovde moje poruke od 15. aprila, gde je
opisan mL? :)
" - Da li root moze potpuno da se prebaci u 'mod gledanja' onoga
" sta radi drugi korisnik?
Ne (na normalan način)...
" - Kako da klirisem ;) korisnika, kill procesa mi nesto ne uspeva?
Probaj kill -9 PID
" - Jel ima neka dobra knjiga za UNIX, ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj
" formi je vrlo povrsno i slabo napisano?
Ima knjiga o Unixu na tone. Ali iz tvojih pitanja čini mi se da i "ovo
što postoji u elektronskoj formi" još može biti od koristi.
" - Posto vidim da u tom mL nedostaje previse stvari, zanima me jel
" moze negde da se pronadje Linux koji nije preterano veliki,
" a sadrzi gnu c++, mailer i sl.?
Ti si sasvim zreo za "veliki" Linux. Uputi mail Malishi Hristodulu, pa
vidi s njim da zajmneš Jukine CD-ROM-ove sa Linuxom, instaliraš ga, i
onda ćeš imati sve što hoćeš. Usput, piši Dragishi da ti otvori nalog
na Hobbitonu, a vidi i s Vecxom na Galebu - to su dva mesta gde ima
obilje softvera za Linux.
" - Da li, ako se instalira na svoju particiju, dolazi do znacajnih
" ubrzanja?
Do značajnih - ne. Ključno za brzinu rada je količina RAM-a. Na 4 MB
radi i kašlje, na 16 peva. Sa 8 MB sve radi kako treba.
" - Sta bi sa onom najavljivanom drugom i trecom Yucca verzijom?
Eh, kad bih samo to radio (a rado bi voleo da samo to radim)... Biće,
kad bude, šta drugo reći. ;)
unix.704omega,
Ţ Ima knjiga o Unixu na tone.
Mislio sam na nesto kvalitetno, i sto _moze_ da se pronadje ovde.
ŢAli iz tvojih pitanja cini mi se da i "ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj
Ţformi" jos moze biti od koristi.
Ako znas za doc koji objasnjava sta radi "kill -9", onda gresim.
Sto se tice ostalih preporuka, nadam se da ce to sve biti
izvodljivo.
unix.705novim,
" Ako znas za doc koji objasnjava sta radi "kill -9", onda gresim.
" Sto se tice ostalih preporuka, nadam se da ce to sve biti
" izvodljivo.
žini mi se samo da tvoje zanimanje za Unix već prevazilazi mogućnosti
mL-a, i da treba da uzmeš "veliki" Linux, a onda će ti već biti mnogo
sve jasnije, pa čak i lakše. :)
unix.706postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: upload\download
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:04:21 GMT
Uros Maksimovic (Uros.Maksimovic@f110.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Imam racun na Osmehu vec duze vreme, ali mi nikako ne polazi za rukom da
: nesto download-ujem. Kad pocnem prenos odmah nastaje gomila gresaka i moram
: da prekinem transfer.
sz dodaj parametar -e zbog toga sto se na osmeh logujes preko fon-a, a ne
preko direkne seriske linije ..
unix.707postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: atp QWK/Linux
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 17:25:43 GMT
Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
> Damjan Janev (Damjan.Janev@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
> : Imam problema sa atp QWK OLR-om za Linux.
> El si probo UQWK ?? Ovog nisam stigo da testiram..
Nemaju istu namenu. Jedan je olr, a drugi door.
unix.708postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:04:46 GMT
Danko Jevtovic (danko@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Imam jedno "glupo"pitanj:
-> Da li odogovor na PING dolazi direktno sa IP nivoa ili treba starovatoi nesto
-> kao Ping Deamon ? Pitam je nisam uspeo da pingujem izmedju sledecis sistem
-> (niko nisakim nece, a svako vidi sebe) Novell Netwrae 4.10 (dve mrezne karte sa
-> IP adresama 11.11.11.11 i 14.14.14.14), Novell Lanworkplace for Dos (adresa
-> 12.12.12.12) i Windows NT server 3.5 (adresa 13.13.13.13). Na sviam mi je
-> subnet maska bila 255.0.0.0 (ne znam da li je sve to dobro postavljeno). Na
-> Novell proizvodiam sam postao frame type na Ethernet_II, a na Windows NT nisam
-> video kako se to setuje.
Ping radi tako sto salje ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol, obavezan
pratilac za IP) poruke na udaljenu masinu. Samo postojanje TCP/IP je sasvim
dovoljno da ping odreaguje. Problem ovdje je najvjerovatnije u rutama, a
adrese kao ove koje si ti naveo su dusu dale za zabunu, mada, nije kriticno.
-> Ima li neko ideju za pomoc ?
Probaj da iskopas routing tabele po masinama. Kako, na tim platformama,
pojma nemam :).
unix.709postmast,
From: ivanstam@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Stamenkovic)
Subject: cp -- tajanstvena komanda
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:36:08 GMT
unix.710postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 08:27:28 GMT
In article <sezam$unix vcalic@sezam.UUCP writes:
>
> Mislim da nije to u pitanju, vec to sto SCO Unix sadrzi delove koda
>koje je razvio Microsoft za svoj nekadasnji Xenix iz koga je, evolucijom ;),
>nastao i SCO Unix.
i ja sam pristalica ove teze. Gledajuci malo orig. literaturu za SCO, primetio
sam da malo-malo pa naleti disclaimer "ovo je napisano u Xgroup" ili "Mike
Peric je ovo napisao <mike@peric.com>" ili "ovo je uzeto iz *ix-a" -- nekako
sam stekao utisak, da oni nisu nista ni radili neego napravili jednu jacu
distribuciju. (kad se uzme u obzir da source-ovi za sve standardne programe
postoje -- ostane samo kernel koji su oni napisali da 'kao' bude bolji od
drugih(?, ako i to tvrde))
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unix.711postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 08:29:22 GMT
In article <sezam$unix vcalic@sezam.UUCP writes:
>
> Jel' se seca neko tog MS Xenix-a koji je radio i na 286-icama? Secam
>se da je negde '88-'89 bio vrlo sminkerska stvar, u fazonu "daaaaj, covece, ti
pitajmo zduleta kako je koristiti xenix ;-))))
ps: zdule nemoj da ga brises, salio sam se, jos mi treba :-)
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unix.712postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 08:31:38 GMT
In article <sezam$unix bulaja@sezam.UUCP writes:
>
> Znaci da ja, kada napisem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i
> Copyright Microsoft Corporation!?
mozda treba navesti nsto kao
Copyright (C) 1994-96 Pera Lazic Corp.
Microsoft C Optimizing Compiler ;-)) Copr. (C) Microsoft Corp. 1980-89
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unix.713postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 08:16:21 GMT
Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> - Jel ima neka dobra knjiga za UNIX, ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj
-> formi je vrlo povrsno i slabo napisano?
Ajde!
unix.714postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:31:11 GMT
Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Ako znas za doc koji objasnjava sta radi "kill -9", onda gresim.
If a signal number preceded by ``-'' is given as the first argument, that
signal is sent instead of the terminate signal (see signal(S)). In par-
ticular kill -9 ... is a sure kill.
"man kill" :-))
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unix.715postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:25:19 GMT
Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
>> Ima knjiga o Unixu na tone.
>> Mislio sam na nesto kvalitetno, i sto _moze_ da se pronadje ovde.
>> Ali iz tvojih pitanja cini mi se da i "ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj
>> formi" jos moze biti od koristi.
>> Ako znas za doc koji objasnjava sta radi "kill -9", onda gresim.
>> Sto se tice ostalih preporuka, nadam se da ce to sve biti
>> izvodljivo.
Ako na mL ima man za kill tamo sigurno pise. Ako nema onda
evo kratko. Kill -n salje signal procesu. Koji sve signali
postoje mozes da vidis sa man signal. Svi signali osim
signala 9 tj SIGKILL za prekid procesa se mogu ignorisati ili
raditi nesto drugo kad ih proces primi, da tako kazem. Ako se
posalje signal 9, tj recimo kill -9 555 proces sa brojem 555
je sigurno upucan, nema sanse da ne radi.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.716postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:12:15 GMT
Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: miniLinux:
: - kako obrisati korisnika?
userdel
: - kako ga postaviti da mu se prilazi modemski?
Pa lepo instaliras {uu}getty u inittab naravno moras i konf fajl da imas..
u /etc/inittab:
s3:456:respawn:/sbin/uugetty ttyS3 38400
za cua3 tj. COM4 ..
a u /etc/conf.uugetty.ttyS3 <<- ili vec koji je port
#####SCHED=0:00:00-0:24:00
#^^ vreme kad da prima pozive
INITLINE=cua3
#linija
CLEAR = NO
HANGUP=YES
#DEBUG=777
#DEBUG=010
#Jedan od ova dva je da prikazuje sta radi na konzoli..
INIT="" ATZ\r OK ATS0=1\r OK
#init string
ALTLOCK=cua3
# zakljucavanje
ALTLINE=cua3
#WAITFOR=RING
#CONNECT="" ATA\r CONNECT \s\A
#ova dva reda su ako nestavis gore u INIT S0=1 onda mozes da kada modem
#posalje RING kompjuteru ovaj mu posalje ATA i modem pisti ..
TIMEOUT=60
unix.717postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:14:42 GMT
Dejan Ristanovic (dejanr@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: >> Znaci da ja, kada napisem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i
: >> Copyright Microsoft Corporation!?
: I da i ne. Citao sam Microsoft-ovu licencu, i ona kaze sledece:
: ako program ima TVOJ Copyright, *ne moras* da stavljas njihov.
: Medutim, ako resis da program *nema* tvoj (niti iciji drugi)
: Copyright, tj. da ga delis potpuno besplatno i odreknes se svih
: prava na program, onda moras da napises da su delovi programa
: (run-time biblioteke) pod Microsoft-ovim copyright-om.
: Dosta razuman zahtev, po mom misljenju.
Ovo se valjda odnosi samo na registrovane korisnike ..
unix.718postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 07:21:13 GMT
Dragan Djokic (ddjokic@fon) wrote:
-> raditi nesto drugo kad ih proces primi, da tako kazem. Ako se
-> posalje signal 9, tj recimo kill -9 555 proces sa brojem 555
-> je sigurno upucan, nema sanse da ne radi.
Postoje stanja procesa u kojima se ignorise i signal 9.
unix.719smarkov,
> Da li odogovor na PING dolazi direktno sa IP nivoa ili treba starovatoi
> nesto kao Ping Deamon ? Pitam je nisam uspeo da pingujem izmedju sledecis
> sistem (niko nisakim nece, a svako vidi sebe) Novell Netwrae 4.10 (dve
> mrezne karte sa IP adresama 11.11.11.11 i 14.14.14.14), Novell Lanworkplace
> for Dos (adresa 12.12.12.12) i Windows NT server 3.5 (adresa 13.13.13.13).
> Na sviam mi je subnet maska bila 255.0.0.0 (ne znam da li je sve to dobro
> postavljeno). Na Novell proizvodiam sam postao frame type na Ethernet_II,
> a na Windows NT nisam video kako se to setuje.
Ping je program koji traži odgovor od hosta po ICMP (Internet Control
Message Protocol) koji je uvek deo IP kernela.
Stvar ti ne radi jer si adrese uzeo "suviše" prozvoljno ;).
Kratko rečeno, Internet adresa ima dva dela - mrežna i host adresa.
Ovako kako si ti izabrao adrese svi hostovi su ti na različitim mrežama.
Za prolazak izmedju dve mreže mora gateway , ...
Daklem daj računarima adrese (npr dok sam ne pročitaš o čemu se radi):
192.0.0.xx (xx=1, 2, ..).
... osim što imaš NOVEL mach sa dve mrežne karte - znači dve mreže. Za taj deo
moraćeš da vidiš NOVEL dokumentaciju.
unix.720dejanr,
>> > I da i ne. Citao sam Microsoft-ovu licencu, i ona kaze sledece:
>> > ako program ima TVOJ Copyright, *ne moras* da stavljas njihov.
>> > Medutim, ako resis da program *nema* tvoj (niti iciji drugi)
>> > Copyright, tj. da ga delis potpuno besplatno i odreknes se svih
>> > prava na program, onda moras da napises da su delovi programa
>> > (run-time biblioteke) pod Microsoft-ovim copyright-om.
>>
>> Dosta razuman zahtev, po mom misljenju.
Pa da, teško da će u licenci predviđati pravila za one koji koriste
kraden softver, jer takvi u startu ne poštuju mnogo važnije klauzule
te licence ;)
unix.721omega,
Ţ Cini mi se samo da tvoje zanimanje za Unix vec prevazilazi mogucnosti mL-a
Ok, ok, samo mi ipak jedna stvar nije jasna. Ako sam ja, kao relativni
pocetnik u unix-u, odmah udario u granice, cemu onda mL?
unix.722novim,
" Ok, ok, samo mi ipak jedna stvar nije jasna. Ako sam ja, kao relativni
" pocetnik u unix-u, odmah udario u granice, cemu onda mL?
Pa, već je rečeno: da pomogne ljudima koji žele da onjuše Unix da to
urade na jednostavan i bezbolan način (bez pravljenja posebnih
particija, muke s instalacijom itd). Ko želi Unix, posle će mnogo
lakše sve to učiniti.
Takođe, mL će imati svoje značenje kad uradimo neke stvari do kraja.
Zbog drugih poslova, to će tek biti na jesen a ne ovih dana, kako je
prvobitno bilo planirano.
unix.723danko,
>> Kratko receno, Internet adresa ima dva dela - mrezna i host adresa.
Ovako kako si ti izabrao adrese svi hostovi su ti na razlicitim mrezama.
Za prolazak izmedju dve mreze mora gateway , ...
Daklem daj racunarima adrese (npr dok sam ne procitas o cemu se radi):
>> 192.0.0.xx (xx=1, 2, ..).
Hvala na odgovoru. Ja sam nekako procitao specifikacije i sve mi je to
bilo jasno sa mreznom adresom i adresom noda, kao i sa klasam mreza, ali sam
mislio da ce da radi i sa ovakvim adresama. Mozda bi i radilo da sam obo neku
drugu subnet mask. probacu drugacije adrese, pa ce da vidimo - javicu!
hvala, Danko
unix.724postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: mL Xwin ProBlemS
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:36:12 GMT
Jedno pitanje oko Mini Linux-a: nece da radi X posto
(izgleda) moja kartica nije na spisku podrzanih. Kako da
namestim da X koristi barem obican VGA mod 640*480/16? Osim
sto startx kaze da nije prepoznat nijedan device, ispise i
nesto kao "there are no screens"? Masina je 486/33/8MB/VGA.
--
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unix.725postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:41:14 GMT
Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* > Cini mi se samo da tvoje zanimanje za Unix vec prevazilazi mogucnosti mL-a
/* >Ok, ok, samo mi ipak jedna stvar nije jasna. Ako sam ja, kao relativni
/* >pocetnik u unix-u, odmah udario u granice, cemu onda mL?
Pa da ti zagolica mastu.:))))
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
"Please return stewardess to original upright position"
unix.726postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: uucp via telnet
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 01:07:17 GMT
Imam jedno pitanjce ;)
Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a?
Naime ja prvo nazovem odredjeni tel. broj pa se odatle telnetujem
na svoj uucp host, ali nesto nece da radi :(
To verovatno nece zbog telnet-a (ili gresim?), problem je sto ne
mogu da koristim rlogin :(
E sad mene zanima da li postoji uucp protokol (XXX) koji podrzava
7-bit kanal...
Inace iz debug-a se vidi da je prosao INITA nivo ali zapne kod
INITB nivoa "dogovaranja"...
p.s. kod mene je taylor uucp (linux)
--
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unix.727postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: X terminal
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 95 02:56:54 GMT
In article <DB3AJq.KuG@fon> tiho@fon writes:
>
> Veza host-terminal se ostvaruje preko TCP/IP mreze, znaci, prvi
>hardverski zahtev: mrezna kartica :-)) Sto se ostalih zahteva tice, nista
>posebno sa strane hosta, a X terminal bi trebalo da sa svoje strane
>to vec ima reseno.
sad... nije bas uvek tako. imas X terminale (odn. X servere) koji su vezani za
host -- traze neki bootstrap, ili su recimo totalno operisani od Xserver
varijante, pa im jedna makina treba kao 'mozak'; naravno postoje i one
inteligentne varijante. Te su toliko inteligentne da su ocigledno shvatile i
vrednost novca, pa ga traze dosta vise. E sad imas i neke jeftinije varijante
sa vezivanjem preko serijskog porta, pa bez Xserver varijante i jos par
fazoncica koje ja toplo ne preporucujem, osim ako se igras po kuci pa ti
finansijska situacija ne dozvoljava $1000 za osrednji Xterm (serv).
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unix.728danko,
Uspeo sam da se pingujem kada sam setovao brojeve na 192.0.0.1 i 192.0.0.2.
Jos malo eksperimenata pa ce ceo TCP/IP da mi proradi. :)
Hvala na savetima - ANKO
DANKO
unix.729omega,
Re: cemu onda mL?
>Pa da ti zagolica mastu.:))))
Pa onako sklopljen mL, bez pristojnog man-a i sl., ima
tacno suprotan efekat :( A bas sam se prvo bio odusevio...
Sada kada cujem da mi je potrebno 80 disketa za pravi Linux,
pripadne mi muka.
unix.730postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: uucp via telnet
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:18:36 GMT
Jednom prilikom Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) rece:
## Imam jedno pitanjce ;)
## Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a?
Provalio sam :). Prebacio sam sa g protokola na f (7bit) i radi
super...
unix.731smarkov,
> Jedno pitanje oko Mini Linux-a: nece da radi X posto
> (izgleda) moja kartica nije na spisku podrzanih. Kako da
> namestim da X koristi barem obican VGA mod 640*480/16? Osim
Koja je kartica ? Teško da nije na spisku podržanih od XFREE86.
Verovatnije je da nisi podesio stvari u Xconfig-u (chipset opcija).
Mislim da za običan VGA mod (16c) postoji poseban server - opet
ne znam ima li ga u mL.
unix.732postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 14:39:25 GMT
Jednom prilikom Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) rece:
## Re: cemu onda mL?
## >Pa da ti zagolica mastu.:))))
## Pa onako sklopljen mL, bez pristojnog man-a i sl., ima
## tacno suprotan efekat :( A bas sam se prvo bio odusevio...
## Sada kada cujem da mi je potrebno 80 disketa za pravi Linux,
## pripadne mi muka.
Mozda ti je bolja kombinacija da ostavis ML a da se posluzis
setupom i doinstaliras N1-4, ... diskete koje ti trebaju...
ext2 fajl sistem ne ubrzava nesto primetno rad linux-a, kao
sto rece Novica mnogo je vaznija memorija...
--
Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.733postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:33:40 GMT
ĐŠč On 06-29-95 00:02 Infort@sezam.uucp wrote:
In> Predlazem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka
In> se govori o opstim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...).
Ja sam za. Kad imamo comp.linux, mozemo bas da imamo i yu.comp.linux.
... ((((((((HYPNOTIC))))))))((((((TAGLINE))))))))
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.734postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:35:51 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) je rekao/la:
>> Dragan Djokic (ddjokic@fon) wrote:
>> -> raditi nesto drugo kad ih proces primi, da tako kazem. Ako se
>> -> posalje signal 9, tj recimo kill -9 555 proces sa brojem 555
>> -> je sigurno upucan, nema sanse da ne radi.
>> Postoje stanja procesa u kojima se ignorise i signal 9.
Nesto sam cuo, ali bih voleo da ovde procitam i neki
detaljniji odgovor, naravno ako moze.
A sto se tice prethodnog odgovora verovatno je kolega
pokusavao da "ubija" procese drugog korisnika pa mu je to
pravilo problem.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.735postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:31:49 GMT
Jednom prilikom Stevan Markovic (smarkov@sezam.UUCP) rece:
## > Jedno pitanje oko Mini Linux-a: nece da radi X posto
## > (izgleda) moja kartica nije na spisku podrzanih. Kako da
## > namestim da X koristi barem obican VGA mod 640*480/16? Osim
## Koja je kartica ? Tesko da nije na spisku podrzanih od XFREE86.
## Verovatnije je da nisi podesio stvari u Xconfig-u (chipset opcija).
## Mislim da za obican VGA mod (16c) postoji poseban server - opet
## ne znam ima li ga u mL.
Karica je Realtek :( (VGA - podrzava sve standardne modove i SVGA modove)
u prevodu matora kartica :(
Gledao sam u Xconfig-u i tamo postoji i sekcija za VGA16 kartice ali
pri xinit-u on detekruje karticu (da li je et4000, cirrus itd.) i tamo
je ne nadje i djipi napolje. E sada mene zanima da li XFREE86 moze da
radi bez te detekcije tj. da se baci u standardne VGA modove?
--
Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.736postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 10:06:54 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
: ĐŠč On 06-29-95 00:02 Infort@sezam.uucp wrote:
: In> Predlazem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka
: In> se govori o opstim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...).
: Ja sam za. Kad imamo comp.linux, mozemo bas da imamo i yu.comp.linux.
I ja se slazem,
Vukota
unix.737postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: uucp via telnet
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 13:57:38 GMT
Jednom prilikom Dusan Djordjevic (dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu) rece:
## QWK To: Vladislav Bjelic
## VB> Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a?
## VB> Naime ja prvo nazovem odredjeni tel. broj pa se odatle telnetujem
## U principu je UUCP napravljen da moze da se tera kroz bilo sta. Samo u
## nekom konfiguracionom fajlu treba da navedes koje karaktere treba da
## preskace pri komunikaciji. Stvarno ne znam u kom tacno :(
Pa i nije bas kasnije sam skinuo sa fon/a uucp faq da pogledam da li
tu ima nesto i tamo lepo pise da G protokol *default?( trazi 8bit
clean, pa sam setovao na F on je 7bit i radi bez problema...
A to sto rece da se moze preskociti slanje i primanje odredjenih karaktera
, to ne videh u dokumentaciji za UUCP.
--
Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.738postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:20:12 GMT
Stevan Markovic (smarkov@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Kratko receno, Internet adresa ima dva dela - mrezna i host adresa.
: Ovako kako si ti izabrao adrese svi hostovi su ti na razlicitim mrezama.
: Za prolazak izmedju dve mreze mora gateway , ...
Hm. Meni je jedna masina 169.x.x.x a druga 199.x.x.x i u sistemu nema
gateway-a, ni rutera ni mostica, a net maske su 255.255.255.x pa ping bez
problema funkcionise.
Inace ono sto sam primetio, kad se na PC-u digne NCSA telnet ili ftp taj PC
se vidi sa pingom bez problema. Kad se NCSA napusti, PC se nekad vidi, a
nekad ne !?!.
Ako se instalira MS TCP/IP LAN manager, on ima svoj ping koji kroz njega
prodje, A NCSA ili XFS ping nedaju nikakav rezultat, a pri tom
sa drugih masina se taj PC vidi.
Takodje je interesantno da se MS TCP/IP LAN digne sa pogresno setovanom
karticom (NPR NE2000 irq=3, I/O=300h) dok u PROTOCOL.INI fajlu pise irq=5,
i/o=300, nista ne javi, radi mu ping na samog sebe, ali je (normalno) mreza
mrtva. MS dijagnostika salje neke blesave poruke iz kopjih se neda videti da
je kartica setovana na jedan nacin a da program ocekuje drugo.
Ako ovo nekom pomogne, bice mi drago. Srdjan.
unix.739danko,
Vidimo da se pominje MS TCPIP za DOS. Da li je to odvojeni produkt od TCPIP za
WinWg i gde ga ima, kao i da li podrzava serijsku komunikaciju (SLIP/PPP) ?
Hvala, DANKO
unix.740postmast,
From: adamm@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:19:24 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
: ĐŠč On 06-29-95 00:02 Infort@sezam.uucp wrote:
: In> Predlazem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka
: In> se govori o opstim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...).
: Ja sam za. Kad imamo comp.linux, mozemo bas da imamo i yu.comp.linux.
Jos jedan glas za....
Naravno da treba otvoriti....
unix.741postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:52:00 GMT
Mladen Adamovic (adamm@ELF.bl.ac.yu) pise:
>> Jos jedan glas za....
>> Naravno da treba otvoriti....
Jos jedan glas za! Taman sam se umorio citajuci poruke o Linux Specific
stvarima a ja vozim SCO :-) Bez sale, mislim da bi bilo preglednije
za pracenje kada bi bilo yu.os.linux i yu.os.unix za ostale Unix-e, medju
njima i SCO, posto mi se cini da je interesovanje za Linux vece od
ukupnog interesovanja za ostale Unix sisteme.
unix.742postmast,
From: SALE.OLUJIC@ZAMIR-BG.ztn.apc.org (Aleksandar Olujic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 22:45:06 +0100
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Public reply to Vladislav Bjelic 's message written on 07.07.95
under subject Re: unix
posted in /YU/OS/UNIX newsgroup.
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-> Karica je Realtek :( (VGA - podrzava sve standardne modove i SVGA
-> modove) u prevodu matora kartica :(
-> Gledao sam u Xconfig-u i tamo postoji i sekcija za VGA16 kartice ali
-> pri xinit-u on detekruje karticu (da li je et4000, cirrus itd.) i tamo
-> je ne nadje i djipi napolje. E sada mene zanima da li XFREE86 moze da
-> radi bez te detekcije tj. da se baci u standardne VGA modove?
Uh, nekako mi je XConfig issccilio iz glave, mada sam mnogo
vreemna proveo radeci na video modovima. Mislim da u XConfigu treba
skrenuti paznju XFREE serveru da koristi "generic" drajver i sve tipa no
name i sl. U XConfigu postoji i podrska za razne monitori pa opet ako se
ta sekcija ne setuje samim podacima o monitoru ili ako se ne "odtarabi"
neki postojeci model - sve se moze podesiti. Isto vazi i za karticu. Treba
obratiti paznju na sinhronizaciju i osjezavanje ekrana. XServer izbacuje
nekonzistentnosti u tim paremtrima kad god pukne prilikom dizanja kad
dodje do video modova.
Pozdrav
Sale
-> --
-> Panonski mornar
-> http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
## CrossPoint v3.02 ##
unix.743davor,
Imam problema sa misem pod Linux-om: ne reaguje na pomeranje misa po
horizontali! Vertikalno pomeranje i button-i se detektuju ispravno.
/dev/mouse je ln-ovan na /dev/ttyS0.
Mis je "Mouse systems serial mouse", tako je prijavljen u setup-u, a i
u Windows-ima. Inace nosi oznaku "A4 Tech", ako to nesto znaci.
Testirao sam ga sa selection -t msc i probao sam sve kombi-
nacije: -t ms i -t msc sa prekidacem na misu na 2 odn. 3 buttona, i
jedino radi sa "3" i -t msc.
E sad, kuriozitet je da je neposredno nakon instalacije Linux-a
mis radio bez problema! To je trajalo neko vreme, i onda je s vremena
na vreme otkazivao 'horizontalnu' poslusnost; u to doba je hard reset
pomagao, a sada cak ni to. :( I X se po pitanju misa ponasa isto kao
selection.
Mis je naravno potpuno ispravan, pod DOS-om i Win.
Sta da radim? Inace, i jedan prijatelj je imao identicne probleme.
thanx.
P.S. Verzija Linux-a je valjda 1.1.54 (ona sa sedamdeset disketa :)
unix.745davor,
U vezi Linux-a: moze li neko reci koji su (minimalno) programi/fontovi itd.
neophodni iskljucivo za PREGLED .ps i .dvi fajlova? Dobrodosle su i
kombinacije tipa programi za pregled .ps fajlova + programi za konverziju
.dvi u .ps fajlove. Da li postoji verzija koja ne zahteva X (imam samo 8M) ?
thanx.
unix.746smarkov,
> From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic)
> Subject: Re: unix
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:31:49 GMT
> ## Koja je kartica ? Tesko da nije na spisku podrzanih od XFREE86.
> ## Verovatnije je da nisi podesio stvari u Xconfig-u (chipset opcija).
> ## Mislim da za obican VGA mod (16c) postoji poseban server - opet
> ## ne znam ima li ga u mL.
>
> Karica je Realtek :( (VGA - podrzava sve standardne modove i SVGA modove)
> u prevodu matora kartica :(
> Gledao sam u Xconfig-u i tamo postoji i sekcija za VGA16 kartice ali
> pri xinit-u on detekruje karticu (da li je et4000, cirrus itd.) i tamo
> je ne nadje i djipi napolje. E sada mene zanima da li XFREE86 moze da
> radi bez te detekcije tj. da se baci u standardne VGA modove?
Nabavi VGA16 XFRee86 server. Radio si verovatno sa SVGA serverom.
unix.747postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Mailer?
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:18:52 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu):
>> Imam problem sa mailerom (sendmail-om).
>> Jednostavno posta se ne isporucuje ni lokalno
>> ni preko UUCP-a
Nekad sam koristio sendmail i imao grdnih problema
da namestim sendmail.cf fajl. Mnogo me je bolela
glava i posle dvadesetak dana citanja razne dokumentacije,
proucavanja primera i slicno bio sam potpuno ocajan.
Posto imam i smtp i uucp i nekakav zconnect od protokola,
prekonfigurisane stvari nisu naravno radile...
(a sad pauza za reklame)
"Od kad koristim smail, cudno, ali glava mene vise
ne boli"
Zaista, smail je toliko lak i logican za konfiguraciju,
da je to nevjerojatno. Moze bas sve sto i sendmail, to jest
kompatibilan je sa njim. Jedina stvar koju jos ne znam da
uradim je da namestim vrednost headera (sto je u sendmailu
bilo, hmmm, recimo lako), ali i to verovatno moze...
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.748smarkov,
> Hm. Meni je jedna masina 169.x.x.x a druga 199.x.x.x i u sistemu nema
> gateway-a, ni rutera ni mostica, a net maske su 255.255.255.x pa ping bez
> problema funkcionise.
Tesko - naravno ne i nemoguce. Proveri - nema nikakvog rutiranja, masine
su na razlicitim mrezama (prema izabranim adresama). Ako je tako da se
teorijski/prakticno unapredimo.
unix.749eotek,
Linux - ma kako da ln include ??
na jednoj masini sasvim lepo radi kompajler, pronadje sve
include fajlove i odradi bez greske. na drugoj masini (a sve isto
instalirano, kroz pkgtool) nikako da pronadje include fajlove.
uradio sam kako kaze u kernel readme:
cd /usr/include; rm -rf linux; rm -rf asm;
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux .
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm .
... i opet isto - ne nalazi pa . Onda sam cak i obrisao ceo /usr
pa ga (nfs) kopirao sa prve na drugu masinu (sa cp -a), svi sim-link
fajlovi su tu, sve isto izgleda na obe masine, ali na drugoj opet
isti problem ...
unix.750postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Herkules grafika?
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:05:40 GMT
Da li je moguce prebaciti Herkules u graficki mod kod Linuxa?
Odnosno kako rezervisati memoriju B000h-BFFFh i kasnije joj pristupiti?
Moze li neko da kaze nesto vise o koriscenju memorije na Linuxu?
Dragoljub
unix.751postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: netscape
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:27:10 GMT
Haj svima.
Imam problema da nateram Netscape n16e11n da radi preko Troy winsock-a.
Naime, Netscape se startuje, ali kad probam das pozovem neki www server,
sa npr: http://www.etf.bg.ac.yu, sto inace savrseno radi sa Mosaic-om
20a7, Netscape mi prijavi "call to undefined dynalink" i ugasi se, a
onda mi pukne i Troy winsock.
Napominjem da Mosaic radi super, ali mi nije jasno zasto nece i
Netscape.
I jos jedna stvar - kako da nateram i jedan i drugi da rade kad Troy
nije aktivan, odnosno kao obicne citace, lokalno (npr. kad pregledam
neke svoje html-ove)? Sa Trumpet winsockom radi samo Mosaic, a Netscape
ga startuje, i prijavi da je sam startovan, ali ga nigde nema ni od
korova? I kako da biram koji mi winsock kad treba - Troy za pristup www
serveru, a Trumpet za lokalan rad?
Znam da mnogo pitam, ali mi vi mnogo i odgovorite. :))
Hvala.
... Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.756spantic,
> From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
> I jos jedna stvar - kako da nateram i jedan i drugi da rade kad Troy
> nije aktivan, odnosno kao obicne citace, lokalno (npr. kad pregledam
> neke svoje html-ove)? Sa Trumpet winsockom radi samo Mosaic, a Netscape
> ga startuje, i prijavi da je sam startovan, ali ga nigde nema ni od
> korova? I kako da biram koji mi winsock kad treba - Troy za pristup www
> serveru, a Trumpet za lokalan rad?
Uzmeš nullsocket sa UBBG-a i postaviš ga u c:\windows\system,
on simulira winsock.dll. Tako će sve raditi iz lokala.
U principu klijent će tražiti dostupan winsock.dll. Prvo u lokalnom
direktorijumu aplikacije, zatim u c:\windows\system direktoriju, zatim
po path-u. Preporučljivo je držati nullsoc naprimer u windows\system
a ostalo u svojim direktorijumima.
unix.757davor,
Imam jednu *ogromnu* molbu za nekoga ko ima DOS Emulator 0.53 za Linux:
imam nekoliko bad sectora na disketi sa DOS Emulatorom, i potrebna su
mi cetiri parcica arhive DOSEM053.TGZ. (DOS) Program prikacen uz poruku
ce iz te arhive (ko je ima) izdvojiti ta cetiri dela u posebne fajlove i
zipovati. Ukupna duzina je svega 10k - ali 10k bez kojih nista ne mogu
da uradim. :(
Molba je, dakle, ako neko moze, da downloaduje ovaj program, razvije ga
u jedan dir i u njega iskopira DOSEM053.TGZ, pokrene program, u uploaduje
(na mail) kreirani .zip.
Thanx.
P.S. Program naravno ne moze da uradi nista lose: to je general-purpose
ekstraktor dela fajla u neki drugi fajl, a pokrece se sa extract.bat.
extract.zipunix.758postmast,
From: Aljosa.Jovanovic@f106.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Aljosa Jovanovic)
Subject: proba
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:55:00
Ima li neko TwinSock za Linux (ako tako nesto postoji) ?
Aljosa
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unix.759postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: proba
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:08:16 GMT
Aljosa Jovanovic (Aljosa.Jovanovic@f106.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) reche:
/* >
/* >Ima li neko TwinSock za Linux (ako tako nesto postoji) ?
/* >
Jock, to za sad avazi smao na relaciji "djubre" to Linux...:)))
Pozdrav,
Bane
P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude
nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge!
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
If it's useless, it will have to be documented.
unix.760smarkov,
> Da li je moguce prebaciti Herkules u graficki mod kod Linuxa?
> Odnosno kako rezervisati memoriju B000h-BFFFh i kasnije joj pristupiti?
> Moze li neko da kaze nesto vise o koriscenju memorije na Linuxu?
Moguće je, naravno - pitanje je da li se isplati :). Prošla su vremena
kada je svako pisao drajver za uredjaj, odnosno crtao jaaako brzo sa upisom u
video memoriju. Znate onaj tip literature o PC-ju : može preko DOS-a ali
jako sporo, BIOS mnogo brže (ali je, kao, nekompatibilno), a direktan upis -
strava ...
Vraćajući se na temu - pogledaj funkciju mmap (valjda ?). Proizvoljan
segment *fizicke* memorije će ti preseliti u adresni prostor procesa.
(Proces naravno mora da ima odgovarajuće UID, GID privilegije ili
sticky bit itd ... ).
Ako ni to ne ide uzmi Hacker's Kernel User Guide (obećava zar ne ? ).
unix.761postmast,
From: PETAR.KAJEVSKI@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (PETAR KAJEVSKI)
Subject: Mailer?
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:31:00
MH> Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu):
>> Imam problem sa mailerom (sendmail-om).
>> Jednostavno posta se ne isporucuje ni lokalno
>> ni preko UUCP-a
MH> Nekad sam koristio sendmail i imao grdnih problema
> da namestim sendmail.cf fajl. Mnogo me je bolela
> glava i posle dvadesetak dana citanja razne dokumentacije,
> proucavanja primera i slicno bio sam potpuno ocajan.
MH> "Od kad koristim smail, cudno, ali glava mene vise
> ne boli"
Koliko znam, opsto je poznato da je sendmail "braindead" sto se tice
raznih konfiguriranja i da je ocaj cesto stanje. :)
Petar
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unix.762postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: 19 Jul 1995 20:14:52 GMT
Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) :
>> >> Jos jedan glas za....
>> Jos jedan glas za!
I od mene jedan glas... ZA!
--
miroslav@alef.yucca.co.yu
( Miroslav R Hristodulo )
unix.763postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Re: uucp via telnet
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 01:07:35 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote:
: Imam jedno pitanjce ;)
: Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a?
: Naime ja prvo nazovem odredjeni tel. broj pa se odatle telnetujem
: na svoj uucp host, ali nesto nece da radi :(
: To verovatno nece zbog telnet-a (ili gresim?), problem je sto ne
: mogu da koristim rlogin :(
: E sad mene zanima da li postoji uucp protokol (XXX) koji podrzava
: 7-bit kanal...
: Inace iz debug-a se vidi da je prosao INITA nivo ali zapne kod
: INITB nivoa "dogovaranja"...
: p.s. kod mene je taylor uucp (linux)
zdravo,
prvo definisi port :
port port1
type pipe
command /usr/bin/rlogin -E -8 -l uuzed fon
naravno, u datoteci port, a zatim ostatak sredi u sys fajlu, tj. podesi
chat script, umesto phone ulaza stavi address ulaz (address x.y.z.n) i
to je to... meni fino radi preko PPP-a i rlogin (8-bita) !
poz.
Rade
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unix.764postmast,
From: Damjan.Janev@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Janev)
Subject: Linux & Bus Logitech
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:06:00
Miroslav Hristodulo,
In a message on 12 June, wrote :
MH> Probaj da u /etc/rc,d/rc.local liniju gde se pominje selection
MH> promenis u:
MH> selection -t bm & (za Busmouse)
MH> selection -t logi & (za Logitech).
MH> Pogledaj i man za selection...
I ja isto imam problema sa mojim pacovom (Logitech Serial mouse) pod
Linuxom 1.0.9. Ne radi nit' kao Logi nit' kao MS.
damJANev
P.S. Pod X-om radi kao MS.
...
* ATP/Linux 1.42 * Just got a new car for my wife... Great trade...
* Origin: SETNet: ĆMemory Master BBS +389/91-164-877ž SKOPJE (38:108/132)
unix.766postmast,
From: vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Mailer?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:59:27 GMT
Hvala svima na odgovorima u vezi uucp-a, Xwin-a i mailer-a :)
unix.767postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Mailer?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:58:56 GMT
PETAR KAJEVSKI (PETAR.KAJEVSKI@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
-> Koliko znam, opsto je poznato da je sendmail "braindead" sto se tice
-> raznih konfiguriranja i da je ocaj cesto stanje. :)
Koristim smail, i planiram to i da nastavim, ali ovo gorenapisano je ipak
proizvoljnost. sendmail JESTE tezi za konfigurisanje/odrzavanje (poseban
problem su bug-of-week) ali je cinjenica da je izuzetno mocan.
unix.768postmast,
From: vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: Mailer?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 22:15:28 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: PETAR KAJEVSKI (PETAR.KAJEVSKI@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: -> Koliko znam, opsto je poznato da je sendmail "braindead" sto se tice
: -> raznih konfiguriranja i da je ocaj cesto stanje. :)
: Koristim smail, i planiram to i da nastavim, ali ovo gorenapisano je ipak
: proizvoljnost. sendmail JESTE tezi za konfigurisanje/odrzavanje (poseban
: problem su bug-of-week) ali je cinjenica da je izuzetno mocan.
A gde mogu da nabavim smail (binarnu verziju :)?
FTP site...
unix.769postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Mailer?
Date: 24 Jul 1995 22:59:23 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) :
>> A gde mogu da nabavim smail (binarnu verziju :)?
>> FTP site...
smail.tgz sa neke od disketa iz Slackware N serije.
Probaj na ftp://pax.caa.co.yu/pub/unix/bin/smail.tgz
(do Paxa mozes stici ako pozoves Alefa na 626623 od
2200 do 1000).
--
miroslav@alef.yucca.co.yu
( Miroslav R Hristodulo )
unix.770postmast,
From: eotek@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Radojevic)
Subject: Linux-news : "renouncing"
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:44:38 GMT
Linux / news:
pokusavam da posaljem u svoj lokalni news poruku, ali, kako kroz tin
tako i kroz Pnews dobijam:
newsspool: renouncing setuid due to nonstandard 'NEWSPATH' in enviroment.
cini mi se da ni jezicki nisam razumeo sta je pisac hteo da kaze.
aiuto
unix.771jeremy,
Počeo sam da se zanimam Linux-om, Mini verzijom, (uskoro će to biti
kompletan Linux) i skinuo sam sa
Sezama onaj guide za njega, ali u njemu su samo osnovne stvari. Tamo pominju
neke knjige u el. obliku koje se mogu nabaviti na "..most ftp sites", a tiču
se naprednijih osobina Linux/unix-a. Kako nemam baš pristup gore pomenutim
mestima, ako neko ima, je l' bi mogao da pošalje koju Linux el. knjižicu?
Hvala unapred :)
unix.772postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: proba
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:45:43 GMT
ĐŠč On 07-16-95 15:08 Bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote:
Ba> P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude
Ba> nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge!
Was was was?????
Otkad to? Kako ja to ne znam, nc nc nc....
Smem li pitati odakle ti info? Jerbo bih ja hteo ppp i to 'itno.
... So, what you say is that I'm supposed to write something here?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.773postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:45:46 GMT
ĐŠč On 07-16-95 12:08 Spantic@sezam.uucp wrote:
> I jos jedna stvar - kako da nateram i jedan i drugi da rade kad Troy
> nije aktivan, odnosno kao obicne citace, lokalno (npr. kad pregledam
> neke svoje html-ove)? Sa Trumpet winsockom radi samo Mosaic, a Netscape
> ga startuje, i prijavi da je sam startovan, ali ga nigde nema ni od
> korova? I kako da biram koji mi winsock kad treba - Troy za pristup www
> serveru, a Trumpet za lokalan rad?
Sp> Uzmes nullsocket sa UBBG-a i postavis ga u c:\windows\system,
Sp> on simulira winsock.dll. Tako ce sve raditi iz lokala.
Sp> U principu klijent ce traziti dostupan winsock.dll. Prvo u lokalnom
Sp> direktorijumu aplikacije, zatim u c:\windows\system direktoriju, zatim
Sp> po path-u. Preporucljivo je drzati nullsoc naprimer u windows\system
Sp> a ostalo u svojim direktorijumima.
Jeste, ali ako greskom pozovem neki URL van lokala, bude ono legendarno
"call to undefined dynalink" i ode sve down the drain, tj. bude jedan
mali slatki General Protection Fault at module XXXYYYZZZ
Mdejutim, otkrio sam da Mosaic moze da radi lokalno i bez aktivnog
winsock.dll. Naime, kad ga startujem, on prijavi da ne moze da
inicijalizuje winsock.dll, ali onda ne kliknem na OK buton, vec sa
strane, i taj message ode u pozadinu, a Mosaic se lepo aktivira i radi
bez problema. Ako slucajno pokusam da dovabim neki URL koji nije lokalni
na disku, onda samo napise nesto tipa DNS error ili tako, ja kliknem na
OK button, i sve nastavi normalno.
Medjutim, Netscape nece da radi nikako, osim kad postoji veza preko
twinsock-a, ili preko nullsock-a, ali onda i opet bude onaj problem sa
non-local URL-ovima.
So, kako njega prevariti da radi lokalno bez krahiranja?
... So, what you say is that I'm supposed to write something here?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.774postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:19:13 GMT
andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) wrote:
>Medjutim, Netscape nece da radi nikako, osim kad postoji veza preko
>twinsock-a, ili preko nullsock-a, ali onda i opet bude onaj problem sa
>non-local URL-ovima.
>So, kako njega prevariti da radi lokalno bez krahiranja?
Ili ja ne razumem potpuno problem ili negde gresis. Dakle, ja imam 3
verzije winsock.dll fajla na disku:
*) Trumphet, za SLIP/PPP vezu, koji je u path-u;
*) Twinsock, koji stoji u twinsock-ovom dir-u, obavezno van path-a;
*) Nullsock, koji stoji u Netscape direktorijumu, koji sluzi da
Netscape cita lokalne URL-ove, ali samo ako ni jedan od prethodne
dvojice nije aktivan.
I sve, apsolutno sve radi.
Pl poz D
unix.775postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: proba
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:12:55 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) reche:
/* >ĐŠč On 07-16-95 15:08 Bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote:
/* > Ba> P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude
/* > Ba> nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge!
/* >Was was was?????
/* >Otkad to? Kako ja to ne znam, nc nc nc....
/* >Smem li pitati odakle ti info? Jerbo bih ja hteo ppp i to 'itno.
Ja koliko znam Paya je pripremao anonymous UUCP i PPP naloge
za FON odavno... Najbolje je da pitash njega...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
... What's black and white and red all over? An embarassed zebra.
unix.776eotek,
Linux: ext2fs v. umsdos
Razlika je drasticna:
na istoj (slaboj) masini (386/40, 4 MB ram, swap 16 MB) kada
se radi na umsdos fs, kompajliranje kernela (dep,clean,zImage) traje
preko 12 sati, a na native (ext2fs), sa swapom na swap particiju
(isto 16 MB), nesto ispod 4 sata.
Subjektivan (najvazniji ?) utisak, je da se radi o
poboljsanju za par redova velicina - narocito napr. kada se kroz nc
ucitava neki veci direktorijum (/usr/bin): kod umsdos to traje
do nekoliko sekundi, kod ext2fs je skoro trenutno.
Kod Novella performanse se mogu nesto poboljsati (i obrnuto)
izborom velicine blokova particije, vazi li slicno za Linux -
postavio
sam velicinu na 1kb (zbog ustede na slaku) ? Kakva je relacija
(formula) na liniji memorija(ram) - broj/velicina blokova
- cashing(/hashing?) - brzina (nigde u brdu e-dokumentacije ne nadjoh
nista na tu temu) ?
unix.777marcony,
HITNO !!!
Molim da mi neko odgovori da li na Linux-u postoji curses biblioteka.
Ako postoji, molim da mi posalje njen "sadrzaj" (ovo se na SCO ili sl
radi komandom:
ar tv /usr/lib/libxcurses.a ili
ar tv /usr/lib/libcurses.a
Zahvaljujem :::::)
unix.778postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: proba
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 10:21:04 GMT
In article <DCCHw8.574@fon> andrea@fon writes:
>
> Ba> P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude
> Ba> nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge!
uz malo peekovanja provalicete da vec postoji desetak 'public' ppp naloga,
ocigledno za potrebe testiranja.. sto znaci bice i toga, samo se strpite... i
pripremite: krstenice, prijave mesta boravka, izjave o osiguranju, potvrdu da
niste osudjivani, pasose (samo plavi dolaze u obzir), mini disertaciju na temu
"Sta cu ja sa SLIPom [varijacija 'sa PPPom']", potvdu od MUPa da zaista imate
odgovarajuci softver i od vojske da znate da ga koristite u bezbedne svrhe...
e kad to nabavite.... onda...
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unix.779postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:56:29 GMT
ĐŠč On 07-27-95 16:19 Drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu wrote:
>Medjutim, Netscape nece da radi nikako, osim kad postoji veza preko
>twinsock-a, ili preko nullsock-a, ali onda i opet bude onaj problem sa
>non-local URL-ovima.
>So, kako njega prevariti da radi lokalno bez krahiranja?
Dr> Ili ja ne razumem potpuno problem ili negde gresis. Dakle, ja imam 3
Dr> verzije winsock.dll fajla na disku:
Dr> *) Trumphet, za SLIP/PPP vezu, koji je u path-u;
Dr> *) Twinsock, koji stoji u twinsock-ovom dir-u, obavezno van path-a;
Dr> *) Nullsock, koji stoji u Netscape direktorijumu, koji sluzi da
Dr> Netscape cita lokalne URL-ove, ali samo ako ni jedan od prethodne
Dr> dvojice nije aktivan.
Aaaaaa, munjo, tako li to ide.....
Znaci, ako sam dobro shvatio, stavim nullcosk u Netscape-tov dir,
trumpet-ov u path, a twinsock-ov sa kojim ostvarujem vezu trenutno prema
out-world-u, stavim u svoj dir, i onda kako god da pokrenem Netscape, on
ce uvek da radi, i nece da prijavljuje GPF kad lokalno pokusam da
otvorim neki out-world URL?
Jel'to ili sam opet nesto pogresno skopcao??
BTW, treba li mi trumpet uopste, jer za sada kod nas nema ppp providera
(na moju OGROMANTNU zalost :< )?
... Windows - the Godzilla of operating systems...
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.780postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: proba
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:56:33 GMT
ĐŠč On 07-27-95 10:12 Bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote:
/* >Smem li pitati odakle ti info? Jerbo bih ja hteo ppp i to 'itno.
Ba> Ja koliko znam Paya je pripremao anonymous UUCP i PPP naloge
Ba> za FON odavno... Najbolje je da pitash njega...
Vala bas i 'ocu, samo nisam znao da je u BG-u, mislio sam da je isao u
CG, na odmor :)))
Ako nacujes jos nesto, jer ja ne znam kad cu da ga ukebam, javni mi,
please.
... Windows - the Godzilla of operating systems...
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.781postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:59:17 GMT
[ Article crossposted from sci.math.symbolic,comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Wolfram Research (info@wri.com) ]
[ Posted on Tue, 01 Aug 95 15:48:37 GMT ]
Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica
for Linux.
With Mathematica running under Linux, users can take advantage
of Mathematica9s extensive numeric and symbolic capabilities,
2D and 3D graphics, a high-level programming language, as well
as the many Mathematica applications available.
Mathematica for Linux includes support for MathLink via TCP/IP. MathLink,
Wolfram Research9s communication standard, lets users make seamless
connections between Mathematica, their own applications, and other
commercially available software. With MathLink it is possible to
exchange information between Mathematica and other programs either
on one machine or among several machines on a network.
For further information contact Wolfram Research:
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www: http://www.wri.com
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email: info-euro@wri.com
Wolfram Research Asia Ltd.
telephone: 81-3-526-0506
email: info-asia@wri.com
or see information on Wolfram Research's World Wide Web Pages
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unix.782postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:14:09 GMT
dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
>Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica
>for Linux...
Nepostojanje Mathematica-e je bio jedan od poslednjih raloza za
neprelazak na Linux. Sada je to otklonjeno. Jos samo da nadjemo da
pazarimo "povoljno", po ceni po kojoj smo pazarili isti paket za
Windoze.
Pl poz D
unix.783postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:16:04 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric pise:
>> Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica
>> for Linux.
Neverovatno! Zar se neko odlucio da nesto prodaje za Linux gde
je uobicajeno da se do stvari dolazi razmenom? Verovatno ce tako
i Mathematica da se razmenjuje po navici, verujem i "preko bare".
Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux?
unix.784postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:06:41 GMT
Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric pise:
-> >> Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica
-> >> for Linux.
-> Neverovatno! Zar se neko odlucio da nesto prodaje za Linux gde
-> je uobicajeno da se do stvari dolazi razmenom? Verovatno ce tako
-> i Mathematica da se razmenjuje po navici, verujem i "preko bare".
-> Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux?
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
E glisho, potrazi COMMERCIAL u naslovima poruka u comp.os.linux.announce...
zatim pogledaj neki info o IBCS...
pa o ELF...
pa obrisi SCO... :)
UBR, koliko je meni poznato, kod nas se do SCO softvera dolazi na
gorepomenuti nacin, or se varam? :)
dd
unix.785postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: New Edition of ACC's PC Unix and Linux Catalog.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:09:59 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was ACC Corp. ]
[ Posted on 5 May 1995 16:09:03 +0300 ]
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unix.786postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: REPOST: COMMERCIAL: Stock Charting and Technical Analysis Tool
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:11:59 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Henry Chen ]
[ Posted on 11 May 1995 11:39:14 GMT ]
Description:
BB Tool is a powerful stock charting, technical analysis and
portfolio management tool.
Distribution Media:
FTP download, or 3.5" diskettes
Licensing Policy:
Per machine license.
FREE demo version is available via FTP at:
ftp.portal.com:/pub/ctor
OS Provisions:
kernel version 1.1.52+, XFree86 3.1.1
Documentation:
PostScript formatted document is available via FTP download.
ftp.portal.com:/pub/ctor/bb_doc.ps.gz
The document has 42 pages including tutorial and reference
guide. Man pages are also provided.
BB Tool has extensive context sensitive online help.
Available in English only.
Product Support:
Free patch of current version available via Email or FTP.
Linux Support:
N/A
Extra Features and Add-Ons:
Historic stock data on US Stock Exchange (NYSE, AMEX, NASDAQ)
are available at US$1.00 per stock. Daily stock quote is
available FREE, distributed via Email.
Available Since:
Sun SPARC version available since December 1993. Linux version
available April 1995.
Countries with Distribution:
US
Price Range:
Linux version: US$79; Sun SPARC version: US$89
Plus tax and shipping (if applicable)
Installed Base:
New on Linux
Vendor:
Falkor Technologies
P.O.Box 14201
Fremont, CA 94539
U.S.A.
Phone: +1 (510) 505-0700
Contact: Henry Chen
Email: ctor@shell.portal.com
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: REPOST: COMMERCIAL: Comtrol web server now online
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:12:34 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Chris Elmquist ]
[ Posted on 11 May 1995 11:41:14 GMT ]
Comtrol has just turned on our WWW server. Check out our "HOT" RocketPort
board... you can see a picture of the board and click on the components to
get a description of what they are and what they do.
We have pricing, dealer and distribution information available here as well as
info on our other communication products. Distribution of drivers via links to
our FTP service will be available shortly.
Check it out and give us some feedback.
web is: http://www.comtrol.com
or you can email any of our automated repliers:
info@comtrol.com for general corporate information
linux@comtro.com for info on our Linux support
rocketport@comtrol.com for details on our RocketPort product line
or to reach a human:
sales@comtrol.com for sales and distribution related issues
support@comtrol.com for technical support and anything else !
Thanks for considering Comtrol Corporation for your multiport serial
requirements.
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: REPOST: COMMERCIAL: OpenGL for Linux from Evans and Sutherland
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:13:23 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Waren Stout ]
[ Posted on 11 May 1995 11:53:54 GMT ]
SALT LAKE CITY, May 5, 1995 -- Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation (E&S)
and Portable Graphics, Inc. (PGI) , a wholly-owned subsidiary of E&S,
announce the availability of OpenGL(r) for Linux from E&S. OpenGL for Linux
is a software implementation of the OpenGL Sample Implementation from Silicon
Graphics, Inc. and runs as an extension to the standard X package on Linux.
It is a complete development environment that can be used to write, compile,
and run OpenGL applications. OpenGL for Linux is the first 3D product from
E&S that is aimed at the Linux operating system.
OpenGL for Linux is an OpenGL-compliant product and passes the OpenGL
conformance test suites for all the currently shipping servers. A LinkKit
will be provided to ensure that users can configure additional extensions and
video drivers as needed.
The initial price for OpenGL for Linux from E&S is $79.00 plus shipping and
handling. Anticipated availability is within four weeks. Direct ordering
information and additional technical information will be posted to this news
group within the next two weeks.
In keeping in the spirit of the Linux community, all the development time for
OpenGL for Linux was donated by Evans & Sutherland employees. Many of the
developers are loyal Linux users who are keenly interested in developing 3D
graphics technology for the Linux environment. OpenGL for Linux will provide
a sophisticated application development environment, as well as an excellent
migration path for 3D applications. E&S intends to offer one of the first
OpenGL applications for Linux, as work has already begun on Open Inventor
from E&S.
This product is being developed under the guidance of the Linux community.
We at E&S welcome comments and ideas about your own work in 3D graphics and
how we can become a part of it. Please post your questions and comments to
wstout@es.com. Stay tuned to this posting for additional product, technical,
and program information.
OpenGL is a registered trademark of Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: SEDIT and S/REXX for Linux
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:14:25 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Barili Sys Ltd ]
[ Posted on 19 May 1995 07:53:22 -0500 ]
Benaroya is pleased to announce special introductory pricing for the
Linux versions of their SEDIT, S/REXX and S/REXX Graphical
Debugger products. The Linux version currently in beta test is
available for download along with versions for the other currently
supported UNIX(tm) platforms.
SEDIT is a powerful UNIX text editor patterned after IBM's XEDIT
mainframe editor. It operates with a GUI under X windows or in
character mode when X is not suitable.
S/REXX implements all REXX language features described in the second
edition of Mike Cowlishaw's book, "The REXX Programming Language",
except that numberic digits are limited to 15. In addition, S/REXX
includes a number of features designed to complement the UNIX environment.
An extensive description of these products along with a few sample
screen snap-shots is available via the WWW at:
url: http://www.portal.com/~sedit
The downloadable software (please review license.txt!) *and* a flat
ASCII file version (no graphics and other shortcomings) of the WWW document
is via anonymous ftp from directory pub/sedit at ftp.portal.com.
See either seditsrexxinfo.txt.gz or seditsrexxinfo.txt (same content)
for the descriptive material.
If you are unable to use the WWW or ftp for access, email to:
sedit@shell.portal.com
and I'll send you the .txt file (please indicate whether you want
the gziped or uncompressed version.
The Linux introductory pricing for SEDIT or S/REXX starts at $99 or
both for $160. For all of the options and limitations associated with this
offer, planned regular pricing, etc., please see the above references.
for Benaroya,
Dave Morris
barili systems limited
(tm)UNIX is a trademark of X/Open Company, LTD.
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Subject: COMMERCIAL: Announcing XessLite Spreadsheet for Linux
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:14:47 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was arthur@ais.com ]
[ Posted on 19 May 1995 07:56:03 -0500 ]
XessLite Debuts
AIS Offers New Spreadsheet for Linux
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- May 12, 1995-- Applied Information Systems
today announced XessLite, a new spreadsheet for the Linux desktop.
The XessLite spreadsheet provides powerful computational and charting
facilities packaged specifically for the personal computing user with
Linux. Orders are being taken now for the $295 product with volume
shipments beginning in early June.
XessLite is a native X Windows application on Linux with the Motif look and
feel. It provides advanced power by augmenting the standard spreadsheet
operations with functions for matrix operations, Fourier transforms,
multiple regressions, linear equation solving, and advanced statistics.
Users can build basic graphs with a single selection and mouse click,
then use colors and shading to emphasize differences. Graph types
include bar, line, scatter, X-Y, polar, pie, histogram, high-low,
contour, and 3D surfaces. Graphs may be in separate windows or placed on
the sheet with your data.
"AIS has been active in the Linux community for some time, and we already
provide a version of the full XESS product for Linux. We have received
many requests for a more cost-effective solution for the personal desktop
users of Linux," said Arthur Coston, president of AIS. "XessLite is a
strong response to these requests by providing a powerful commercial
product with pricing competitive with PC products."
XessLite is derived from the proven XESS technology and is upwardly
compatible. XessLite spreadsheets are a proper subset of XESS spreadsheets
and may be shared among users of the two systems. Licenses for XessLite
may be upgraded when needed to XESS licenses with full protection of the
user's investment in XessLite. XESS, the first real-time spreadsheet, is
available for most UNIX and OpenVMS systems through AIS and its partners
worldwide.
Demonstration versions of XessLite will be available soon on the Internet
through http://www.ais.com or at ftp.uu.net in /vendor/ais.
Applied Information Systems, headquartered in Chapel Hill, North
Carolina, is a 22-year-old supplier of software products and
solutions. It specializes in multi-vendor integration applications
and advanced client/server applications.
For more information, contact:
Applied Information Systems, Inc. 919-942-7801
100 Europa Drive Fax 919-493-7563
Chapel Hill, NC 27514 info@ais.com
USA http://www.ais.com
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: SoftCraft 1.2 Linux distribution
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:15:30 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Karen Nelson ]
[ Posted on 26 May 1995 08:49:07 -0500 ]
SolutionS R Us, INC
ANNOUNCES
SoftCraft(TM) 1.2 Linux
Available Now !!
Description:
SoftCraft Linux is a "FULLY" supported menu driven installation with
builtin integrity checking. This easy step by step installation is suited
for either a Novice User and/or an Expert User.
Features:
-- Stable Kernel (1.2) with generic boot floppy
-- Extendable Kernels via loadable modules
-- Selectible modular installation and maintenance
-- Developer's toolkit (gcc 2.6.2) with stable debugger
-- Ability to configure as a WEB Server and/or Client
-- Databases: Postgres, Typhoon (dbvista clone)
-- System V init with built in UPS capabilities
-- X11R6
-- DOSEMU under Virtual console and X Windows (DOS in a box)
-- IBCS SCO Binaries
-- SNMP Ready
-- Sendmail, mh and exmh
-- Samba
-- Ghostscript
-- IP Firewall
And much much more! 34 components in all.
Ordering Information:
The SoftCraft Linux CD is available now for only $69.95 plus tax & Shipping
with 30 days free support. A 1 Year support contract and other pricing
options are available call now 800-985-1878 for more information or
to place your order. Visa/Mastercard accepted. Or you can email info@sru.com
or sales@sru.com for furthur information.
General Information:
SolutionS R Us, INC., is also developing other features for future releases
We offer Systems Integration and support for Linux and other platforms.
Other services include consulting for System Administration, Network design
and support. Allow us to provide you with a Total SOLUTION package for
your needs.
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Subject: COMMERCIAL: Interactive UNIX Guide
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:16:08 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Mo Chen ]
[ Posted on 26 May 1995 08:49:10 -0500 ]
Sunny Micro Lab is pleased to announce "The Interactive UNIX Guide",
a comprehensive computer-based UNIX training system for Linux.
The System is designed to guide beginners step by step to master all
UNIX survival skills interactively in a short period of time. No human
tutor's supervision is required since it is self-contained.
The system is organized like a traditional textbook. It has chapters,
sections, pages (ie. one screenful) and tutorials. Interactive tutorial
sessions are attached to pages. Here are the highlights of feature:
* 72 interactive tutorial sessions are available.
* More than 90 core UNIX utilities are introduced.
* Tutorials on Internet basics and editor vi all go interactive.
* Real UNIX responses. True hands-on experience. Self-pacing.
* Play it like a video game, it's fun to learn UNIX!
* Serves as an attendant tutor and refresher of UNIX skills.
* 10 times effective than reading textbooks.
The software is distributed in a 3.5" floppy with a 140 page hardcopy
of the on-line text with index and references. It works with any Linux
system.
Promotional price: $80 USD plus $10 for S&H. Resellers welcomed.
For more information, please contact:
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Voice: 1.905.795.9292 Fax: 1.905.795.9291
E-mail: info@sunni.com or sunni@hookup.net
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Subject: COMMERCIAL: New version of Dynace Object Oriented Extension to C
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:17:52 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Blake McBride ]
[ Posted on 7 Jun 1995 04:38:59 -0500 ]
ANNOUNCEMENT: NEW DEVELOPMENT TOOLS
The Dynace Object Oriented Extension to C has been released for Linux.
The Dynace Object Oriented Extension To C (Dynace) is a preprocessor,
include files and a library which extends the C language with advanced
object oriented capabilities, automatic garbage collection and
multiple threads. Dynace is designed to solve many of the problems
associated with C++ while being easier to learn and containing more
flexible object oriented facilities. Dynace is able to add facilities
previously only available in languages such as Smalltalk and CLOS
without all the overhead normally associated with those environments.
Dynace is supported under Linux, DOS, Windows 3.1, NT, '95 and other Unix.
If you have seen previous releases of Dynace, take another look. This
release has been significantly enhanced, simplified and automated.
For more information see our Web page at:
http://www.everest.com/algorithms
You can also get postscript information files at:
ftp://ftp.everest.com/pub/dynace/docs
Questions should be addressed to:
dynace-info@everest.com
or click here mailto:dynace-info@everest.com
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Subject: COMMERCIAL: Crisp text editor: Special Time Limited Promotion
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:18:22 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Sales Information ]
[ Posted on 7 Jun 1995 04:39:02 -0500 ]
ARE YOU USING VI OR EMACS TO EDIT FILES ?
DO YOU USE A TOOTHBRUSH TO WASH THE DISHES ?
Ironically that is exactly what most of the workstation/Linux users are doing by
using outdated tools such as vi, Emacs and their numerous clones.
Face it, users spend a majority of their time on any computer system editing files.
Don't frustrate yourself with the toys of the 70s, get something that professionals
on the workstations depend on:
CRiSP-EDiT
PROMOTION
=========
The list price for CRiSP-EDiT on Linux platform is $189.99. However for a
limited time only [PROMOTION IS GOOD THRU JUNE 30th 1995], you can get the
latest release [4.2.2] of this state of the art file editor on Linux platform
for ******* $39.99 ******* [see details below].
WHAT MAKES CRiSP-EDiT DIFFERENT:
================================
CRiSP-EDiT is a modern file editor suitable for programmers and other professionals
who need to edit files. It incorporates most of the advanced concepts
of vi, Emacs, BRIEF and various Windows products whilst presenting the
most intuitive user interface possible.
It includes many advanced features which demanding professionals have
come to expect in an advanced development environment, including
customizable toolbar support, floating help, syntax coloring, template
editing, etc. This all leads to an aesthetically pleasing user interface
which requires no learning at all to get started. All of this is
configurable and customizable.
CRiSP-EDiTs dynamic syntax coloring adds a new dimension to the coding cycle.
You see your code in a new light! Such trivial issues as blocks of
code accidentally being commented out are a thing of the past because your
eyes now tell you something is wrong.
CRiSP is designed to avoid needing to learn yet-another-keyboard layout.
It is designed to be useful within minutes of starting the software up,
and its capabilities grow with your use of the product. It does not get in
the way of what you want to do, and in fact offers facilities such as
entirely mouse-driven editing, to entirely keyboard-driven editing. How
you use CRiSP is up to you. There are no limitations in the scope for
which it can be used.
FINE PRINT
==========
Following restrictions apply:
1) Only available to users connected via Internet and have the capability
to download software. [Additional charges apply for shipment and media].
2) Payment will need to be made via credit card, or check.
3) No telephone technical support. Free Email technical support will be
provided for the duration of the offer.
4) Manuals are on-line, printed copies can be purchased at an additonal price.
5) IMPORTANT: Need to refer to code "I LOVE CRiSPY EDITING"
to get this offer. No exceptions.
6) Available exclusively from Vital, Inc.
ORDERING INFORMATION
====================
You can place the order by sending an EMAIL to orders@vital.com. Please
provide the following details.
Name
Phone Number:
Fax Number:
Email Address:
Visa Card#
Expiration Date:
You can also fax in your order at: +1 (214) 491-6909. This fax number is
completely secure.
For questions, please send an email to:
info@vital.com or
owner-crisp-list@uunet.uu.net
Special Promotions Group
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: Caldera Network Desktop now shipping
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:18:56 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Caldera Annoucements ]
[ Posted on 16 Jun 1995 15:58:48 +0300 ]
We are pleased to announce the First Preview Release of the
Caldera Network Desktop, a complete Linux-based operating system.
In addition to a complete Linux distribution from Red Hat Software, the
Network Desktop also includes many commercial components, such as a full
featured NetWare client, a graphical Desktop metaphor, and a commercial
font server.
The NetWare client automatically shows all NetWare servers and NDS trees
in your network within as filesystem objects. NetWare filesystems are
transparently auto-mounted. Other NDS objects are viewable.
The Desktop includes fully-configurable drag and drop, file typing, numerous
graphical configuration dialogs, and system administration tools.
The font server allows any X11 application to use TrueType, Type 1
PostScript, and SPEEDO fonts. You can install third party fonts.
The Network Desktop features a graphical package-based installation to
quickly get you started and allow for easy system maintenance.
All those who purchase the First Preview Release and send in the
registration card will automatically receive the Second Preview Release
at no additional charge. The Second Preview Release will include additional
commercial tools, and improved installation and documentation.
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
The Network Desktop runs on any Intel-based PC. The Express Install option
requires 140 MB of disk space. 16 MB is also required for a swap partition.
16 MB of RAM are recommended, but the Network Desktop will operate in 8 MB,
especially in text mode. A CDROM drive is required to install the Network
Desktop, though the CDROM drive can be located on a machine connected via NFS.
A 3-1/2 inch drive is required to make boot disks for the installation.
ORDERING
The Caldera Network Desktop is available in a complete package with CDROM
and Getting Started Guide. It is licensed for use on a single machine only.
U.S. customers:
US$29 Network Desktop
US$10 shipping and handling
US$39 total for both shipments
Non-U.S. customers
US$29 Network Desktop
US$20 customs paperwork overhead
US$20 shipping and handling
US$69 total for both shipments
Again, these prices cover TWO complete shipments. We apologize for the extra
international charges, which we must pass on from our fulfillment house, which
charges us $10 extra per shipment to addresses outside the U.S. We are working
to lower these costs.
Send e-mail to orders@caldera.com for details on ordering.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
WWW: http://www.caldera.com/
Email: info@caldera.com
FTP: ftp.caldera.com
finger: info@caldera.com
Caldera, Inc.
931 West Center St.
Orem, Utah 84057
USA
Voice: +1 801-229-1675
FAX: +1 801-229-1579
ABOUT CALDERA
Caldera, Inc. is committed to supporting the Linux development model
and will continue to contribute to Linux. All source code to which we
have redistribution rights is included on the Network Desktop CDROM.
Caldera also intends to help increase the usefulness of Linux and spread
its influence by providing commercial additions to Linux. Source code
for these commercial components is not available.
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: Sydney: EMPRESS for Linux (database)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:19:39 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Daniel Caddy ]
[ Posted on 1 Jul 1995 12:33:52 +0300 ]
ESI Empress Australia has released a Linux edition of its Empress
database. It is available in single- and multi-user versions.
Personal Empress for Linux is a standalone, single-user RDBMS development
environment. The Linux release is based on the full function version 6.6
of Empress and has been tailored for use as a single user system. It
includes RDBMS with Embedded, Interactive and Dynamic SQL, Host Language
"C" interfaces, Database Server, Report Generator, Database Utilities,
4GL with Application Generator, GUI Builder for Motif, GUI "C" API, ODBC
Interface and documentation on CD-ROM.
The multi-user version is configured for four users.
Prices are:-
Single-user development $A199.00
Single-user runtime $A149.00
Multi-user development $A299.00
Multi-user runtime $A199.00
Local support is in place.
The full version of Empress is being used by :-
Bureau of Meteorology
Environmental Protection Authority
The Ricegrowers Co-operative
DSTO
Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, New Zealand.
Details from :-
Otto Kiow,
ESI Empress Australia
phone : 02-283-4855
fax : 02-283-4090
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: Multi- Platform Multithreading for Linux
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:20:21 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Interbase ]
[ Posted on 1 Jul 1995 12:36:01 +0300 ]
The Interbase multithreading program library - mthreads - is now
available for the Linux 1.2.8 kernel. The new addition makes the
mthreads library program product now available in versions for
IBM AIX 3.2.4
Linux version 1.2.8
Mark Williams Company Coherent 4.2.10
SCO UNIX 3.2v4.2
The mthreads program library provides a set of syntactically identical,
semantically consistent, multithreading functions on each supported
platform. Multi- platform consistency means software developers now have
a powerful aid to portability as well as meeting aggressive performance
requirements.
mthreads supports a sequential programming model for high performance
I/O intensive concurrent applications. Threads - lightweight contexts -
provide multiple execution paths in the same process, avoiding much of
the performance penalty of multiple processes. Capabilities are
equivalent to those of the Carnegie Mellon University C Threads
Coroutine Implementation (C Threads, Eric C. Cooper, Richard P.Draves,
Carnegie Mellon University, June 1988, CMU-CS-8-154, pg 11). mthreads
allows you to:
+ Interleave thread execution with I/O.
+ Dynamically create and delete multiple threads in a single process
address space.
+ Synchronize and coordinate multiple threads.
+ Dynamically track thread storage usage.
+ Provide per thread timing services.
+ Access full Berkley sockets capability. (Where supported by the
underlying operating system).
All Interbase products come with man pages providing complete on line
documentation enabling you to quickly identify and understand general
principles of operation as well as the operation of each specific
library function.
The one time licence fee of $380 (plus $20 shipping and handling in the
US) gives you unlimited royalty free distribution of the mthreads
library when linked into your product. You also have unlimited use and
duplication rights in your own business (there are no per user or per
machine fees), and you may use included source code without restriction.
Technical support, exclusive of toll charges, is free for the first 30
days after shipment. Each version is sold separately. Liberal discounts
when multiple versions ordered.
To obtain information on product availability, technical data sheets,
and pricing, please provide your name, company affiliation, and either
your FAX telephone number, or your street address, to:
Bryan Batten America Online: Interbase@aol.com
Interbase Compuserve: 72704.1727@compuserve.com
419 Talbert Street
Playa del Rey, CA 90293
Voice, FAX: (310) 822-1847
FAX responses will be sent 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM PDT.
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unix.798postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: alpha-numeric pager interface
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:23:58 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was James Bryant ]
[ Posted on Wed, 26 Jul 95 07:54:57 GMT ]
BeeperWare 1.3
Enable your applications to work directly with your Alpha-Numeric pagers!
BeeperWare follows the TAP protocol (the industry standard), and will work
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Internet providers!! Start your own paging service using our software!
The BeeperWare product has the following capabilities:
Send messages via standard input or a named file
Send to users via names in a user configuration file
Send to a group of users or all users
Send to any tty listed in the devices configuration file
Works with Unix mail
Cancel individual requests or group requests
Queue multiple messages to multiple users and/or modems with different
phone numbers
Log messages with time queued, sender, receiver, etc
Messages are spooled so the terminal is not tied up
Uses familiar "lp" style commands - bp, bpsched, bpstat, etc
Easy integration into existing or new applications
SCO unix custom installable and removable
Configuration files can be saved if the software is reinstalled
The following options are configurable via configuration file:
Lifetime in minutes of message before being cancelled as unable to send
Size of message as determined by your pager provider
Modem speed
Parity of modem - must match remote terminal
Debug level
Path/filename of scheduler log file
Root directory where bp spooler programs are located
Strings to search for in the Unix mail file subject line
Time in minutes between searches for unsent messages, both in the
spooler and in mail files
Flag to send the "from" field in the e-mail message
E-mail to sender with status of message (sent, not sent, etc)
The following utilities are included with BeeperWare:
bpadmin -- add, change, remove and make default users, groups, devices
bpclr -- clears all current requests, resets file permissions
bpcancel -- cancel named request(s) and group requests
bplog -- list contents of log files to standard output
bpd -- creates messages from e-mail, restarts bpsched
bplist -- list defined users, groups, devices
bpstat -- list default user and modem; list outstanding requests
Also included is the BeeperWare bpadminsh, which allows the above utilities to
be ran from a windowed menu system, based on the dialog programs.
The base source tree for dialog is provided, and is located in /usr/local/src
as a tarred and gzipped file. See the README file in that directory for
information about the GPL and distribution of dialog.
BeeperWare has currently been ported to SCO and Linux. If you have an interest
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unix.799postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Odgovor na pitanje postoje li komercijale za linux
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:29:03 GMT
Ovo bese odgovor na glisino pitanje :), malo opsirniji ali
zato i malo korisniji..
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu
unix.800novim,
Dva infoa za Linuxovce:
1. Ako nabavljate neki Linux na CD-u, pogledajte onaj što se zove
"Linux Slackware Professional", koji uz uobičajene distribucije i
instalacije, nudi i ovu mogućnost: "You can run this version of Linux
directly from your CD-ROM while using only 8 megabytes of hard disk
space".
2. U izgledu je (prema vestima iz jednog OS/2 časopisa) da će se
ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2,
kao jedna od njegovih sesija (neobično zvuči, ali eto...)
unix.801postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:05:11 GMT
Milan Markovic (marcony@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
>> HITNO !!!
>> Molim da mi neko odgovori da li na Linux-u postoji curses biblioteka.
>> Ako postoji, molim da mi posalje njen "sadrzaj" (ovo se na SCO ili sl
>> radi komandom:
>> ar tv /usr/lib/libxcurses.a ili
>> ar tv /usr/lib/libcurses.a
>> Zahvaljujem :::::)
Curses postoji ali je poprilicno nekpmletna. Zato postoji
biblioteka Ncurses koja je valjda deo GNU C/C++, ili mozda i
poseban proizvod a malo je povelika da bi se slala mail-om.
Najbolje je da je pokupite sa neke masine pod Linux-om gde je
instaliran i GNU, a to je valjda na svakoj masini jer je ne-
zamislivo imati unix bez C kompajlera.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.802postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:03:04 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric pise:
>> E glisho, potrazi COMMERCIAL u naslovima poruka u comp.os.linux.announce...
>> zatim pogledaj neki info o IBCS...
>> pa o ELF...
Ehhh... ma zato i pitam jer me mrzi da sve to gledam. Sta ima i za koje se
pare prodaje, gde ima da se kupi, etc... Meni je malo cudno da neko pravi
komercijalni softver za Linux koji ima milion++ verzija i tako to... ustvari,
ima li neke standardizovane linije Linux-a (mislim na verzije) koje zauzimaju
znacajniji deo instalacija? Ili se radi sareno?
>> pa obrisi SCO... :)
Naravno, vec razmisljam da obrisem SCO i MS-DOS (Windows poodavno ne vozim)
tako sto cu prosto da prodam racunar. Nema efikasnijeg resenja. Vise me boli
glava od ovakvog racunarstva gde se sve menja za mesec dana... dosli smo u
situaciju da instalacije, reinstalacije, pecovanja, podesavanja, prosirivanje,
apgrejdovanje i ostale stvari uzimaju 25h dnevno. Ne moze covek da zivi
od korisnika koji stalno hoce nesto najnovije. Samo da je najnovije, nista
drugo nije vazno... moze da bude i sporo i lose projektovano i nesigurno
ali samo da bude sareno i nema da boli glava. Moze da se proda... strava!
:-((( Heh... lepo je rekao moj profesor: dobar korisnik je mrtav korisnik!
Skrenuh malo sa teme, ali evo return &tema;
>> UBR, koliko je meni poznato, kod nas se do SCO softvera dolazi na
>> gorepomenuti nacin, or se varam? :)
Naravno, a kako bi drugacije? O:-) (i od kojih para???) :-)
unix.803postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:37:11 GMT
glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu :
>> Ehhh... ma zato i pitam jer me mrzi da sve to gledam. Sta ima i za koje se
>> pare prodaje, gde ima da se kupi, etc... Meni je malo cudno da neko pravi
>> komercijalni softver za Linux koji ima milion++ verzija i tako to... ustvari,
>> ima li neke standardizovane linije Linux-a (mislim na verzije) koje zauzimaju
>> znacajniji deo instalacija? Ili se radi sareno?
Kakve veze imaju "milion++ verzija" sa razvojem aplikacija.
Vec sa nekom 0.99 verzijom kernela (od pre par godina) sve
stavri oko Linuxa su standardizovane. Vecina aplikacija
ne zahteva neku noviju verziju kernela, pa je verovatnoca
velika da ih vecina korisnika i poseduje. Izuzetak su
nekolicina aplikacija za koje se resenje problema svodi
na rekompajliranje novog kernela sto je maciji kasalj, :-)
Ocigledno je da ne poznajes problematiku, zato nemoj da te mrzi,
nego prosvrljaj malo po comp.os.linux.* hijerarhiji...
A inace, SCO sucks, stinks & ostalo @ hell, :-))
--
malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.804spantic,
> From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
> Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux?
Kanda ne pratiš najave? Imaš veliki broj komercijalnih i SHW
proizvoda. Linux je veliko tržište :)
unix.805spantic,
> From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Kako bi bilo da se ovakva prebacivanja više ne vrše?
Razumem ja artikal ili dva kao ilustracija, ali ovo je
već previše. Ja redovno pratim linux grupe, ne moram
dva puta da ih prenosim.
unix.806novim,
" Razumem ja artikal ili dva kao ilustracija, ali ovo je
" već previše. Ja redovno pratim linux grupe, ne moram
" dva puta da ih prenosim.
1. Ne prate svi, niti imaju mogućnosti.
2. Poslate informacije su veoma korisne.
3. Neka samo šalje i dalje...
unix.807postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 06:24:22 GMT
Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric pise:
-> >> E glisho, potrazi COMMERCIAL u naslovima poruka u comp.os.linux.announce...
-> >> zatim pogledaj neki info o IBCS...
-> >> pa o ELF...
-> Ehhh... ma zato i pitam jer me mrzi da sve to gledam. Sta ima i za koje se
-> pare prodaje, gde ima da se kupi, etc... Meni je malo cudno da neko pravi
-> komercijalni softver za Linux koji ima milion++ verzija i tako to... ustvari,
-> ima li neke standardizovane linije Linux-a (mislim na verzije) koje zauzimaju
-> znacajniji deo instalacija? Ili se radi sareno?
Svu silnu zbrku oko tih 'milion++' verzija su i podigli loäe informisani
ljudi. Üinjenica je da najviäe verzija ima u development granama (1.nepar.*)
a da su stabilne grane (1.par.*) u stvari ono äto korisnik koga ne zanima
sam razvoj kernela treba da gleda/raüuna u verzije.
Üinjenica je i da u development granama ima dobrih kernela, ali one su u
prvom redu za ljude koji znaju äta rade i koji troäe malo viäe energije na
praćenje svega äto se deäava oko Linuxa.
unix.808smarkov,
> Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux?
Naravno, sve Motif distribucije su komercijalne, ima nekoliko
DBMS sistema (Just Logic SQL koristim u firmi), BRU, Crisp editor ...
i još mnogo toga.
unix.809varsic,
Kako se zove i ko je autor najbolje knjige za ucenje UNIX-a na srpskom jeziku ?
Pozdrav !
Vlada
unix.810postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: Odgovor na pitanje postoje li komercijale za linux
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:35:12 GMT
Igor Loncarevic pise:
>> Ovo bese odgovor na glisino pitanje :), malo opsirniji ali
>> zato i malo korisniji..
Hvala, pogiboh citajuci. Mada, sve mi to lici na ona stara dobra
vremena kada je Atari ST bio u modi i kada su na isti nacin
pravljeni "takozvani" komercijalni paketi za 20-50DM za koje
niko nije davao nikakvu podrsku niti garantovao bilo sta, cak
ni pisanu dokumentaciju a o seminarima u organizaciji firme
koja nudi paket da i ne govorimo. To je dobro ovde za nas koji
mozemo da sedimo i da danima i nedeljama provaljujemo kako da
uradimo ovo ili ono, ali na zapadu je imperativ da proizvodjac
organizuje kurseve za kupce i da im pomogne da hardver/softver
stave u pogon za nekoliko dana. Ne moze da stoji jedna banka,
berza ili fabrika automobila deset dana zato sto neko treba da
provali kako da potera novonabavljeni softver. Zato se po
americi i kupuje kod IBM-a, Digitala, SCO-a... a ne skidaju
se paketi sa mreze. To moze za neke apoteke, samousluge i
benzinske pumpe, ali za nesto ozbiljnije tesko. I moze u
Jugoslaviji gde nam je trziste i industrija takva da racunari
skoro da nisu ni potrebni pa nam onda nije problem da gubimo vreme
stalno instalirajuci nove verzije svega i svacega i da se onda
ponovo i ponovo i ponovo navikavamo na sve iz pocetka, etc...
Ovo nema veze sa Linux-om nego sa nasom "kid's computing"
filozofijom.
Ako se ne varam i ovde za CRiSP pise isto (ili za nesto drugo)
pod tackom RESTRICTIONS. Ja sam to tumacio ovako: kupis za male
pare pa ako se pokaze da je dobro - super, a ako ne onda niko
ne garantuje podrsku, sto i nije vazno jer su u pitanju i tako
bile male pare :-)))
Doduse, onaj Spread Sheet je izgleda neka solidna tvorevina?
unix.811postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Odgovor na pitanje postoje li komercijale za linux
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:04:36 GMT
Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Igor Loncarevic pise:
-> >> Ovo bese odgovor na glisino pitanje :), malo opsirniji ali
-> >> zato i malo korisniji..
-> Hvala, pogiboh citajuci. Mada, sve mi to lici na ona stara dobra
-> vremena kada je Atari ST bio u modi i kada su na isti nacin
-> pravljeni "takozvani" komercijalni paketi za 20-50DM za koje
ATARI vs. PC, ne, ne opet...
Kiselo grozdje ovaj Linux, zar ne?
-> provali kako da potera novonabavljeni softver. Zato se po
-> americi i kupuje kod IBM-a, Digitala, SCO-a... a ne skidaju
-> se paketi sa mreze. To moze za neke apoteke, samousluge i
Uvijek ima takvih, ali je uvijek bilo i bice onih koji cijene slobodu
softvera. Pogotovu ako je taj slobodni softver za vise redova velicine bolji
od onoga koji nije slobodan.
-> Ovo nema veze sa Linux-om nego sa nasom "kid's computing"
-> filozofijom.
Vasa kid's computing filosofija je vjerovatno nesto o cemu bi se dalo
nasiroko diskutovati, pa izvolite...
unix.812novim,
" From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
" Kiselo grozdje ovaj Linux, zar ne?
Aha. Samo sazreva, polako. :)) - Eh, još da nam je neki Word ili WP za
X win...
Ima li nešto što se ne može s Linuxom? (Osim da se instalira ma IBM-ov
MCA...)
unix.813postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 04:21:50 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: 2. U izgledu je (prema vestima iz jednog OS/2 casopisa) da ce se
: ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2,
: kao jedna od njegovih sesija (neobicno zvuci, ali eto...)
Kakva glupost..
Sta je sledece ?? VMS za PC-a (ili OS/2) ???
:-))))))))
unix.814postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 04:27:22 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Üinjenica je i da u development granama ima dobrih kernela, ali one su u
: prvom redu za ljude koji znaju äta rade i koji troäe malo viäe energije na
: praćenje svega äto se deäava oko Linuxa.
Kako da pratim sta se sve dogadja ??
I cem sluzi ona Kernel Hacking opcija pri configurisanju ??
unix.815postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:26:14 GMT
Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> : Üinjenica je i da u development granama ima dobrih kernela, ali one su u
-> : prvom redu za ljude koji znaju äta rade i koji troäe malo viäe energije na
-> : praćenje svega äto se deäava oko Linuxa.
-> Kako da pratim sta se sve dogadja ??
-> I cem sluzi ona Kernel Hacking opcija pri configurisanju ??
Pa, preko linux-kernel mailing liste :), iste ima na hobbitonu, i kad ja
navatam vremena, bice i u ho.linux.kernel.
Nema hacking opcije, postoji opcija za profiling.
unix.816novim,
" From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
" : ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2,
" Kakva glupost..
" Sta je sledece ?? VMS za PC-a (ili OS/2) ???
Šta pa ima loše u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj
interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu već krenulo, na raznim stranama.
unix.817postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: cancel <1995Aug10.175501.1913@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 17:55:33 GMT
Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
unix.818postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 07:19:03 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> " From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
-> " : ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2,
-> " Kakva glupost..
-> " Sta je sledece ?? VMS za PC-a (ili OS/2) ???
-> Sta pa ima lose u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj
-> interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu vec krenulo, na raznim stranama.
Slazem se, zasto ne imati mogucnost istovremenog rada vise OS na masini.
Na kraju krajeva, dosemu je popularan bas zbog toga. A ovaj 'linuxemu' bi
priblizio Linux korisnicima koji vjerovatno ne bi ni probali da rade na
njemu.
unix.819postmast,
From: Vladislav.Arsic@f128.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Vladislav Arsic)
Subject: Unix_knjiga
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:28:24
Koja je najbolja knjiga za Linux za pocetnika na srpskom jeziku
istampana kod nas ?
Vlada
* Origin: Sledge HAMMER! BBS 011/163-452 22:00-07:00 (38:103/128)
unix.820postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 09:43:33 GMT
Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: " From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
: " : ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2,
: " Kakva glupost..
: " Sta je sledece ?? VMS za PC-a (ili OS/2) ???
: Sta pa ima lose u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj
: interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu vec krenulo, na raznim stranama.
Sto imati jednu brzu stvar kad moz dve spore ;-)
(( Ili: Sto bi nesto bilo jednostavno, kad moze komplikovano.. ))
unix.821postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:58:33 GMT
Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
-> : Sta pa ima lose u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj
-> : interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu vec krenulo, na raznim stranama.
-> Sto imati jednu brzu stvar kad moz dve spore ;-)
-> (( Ili: Sto bi nesto bilo jednostavno, kad moze komplikovano.. ))
Zasto dosemu, zasto ne butiramo masinu i radimo na cistom DOSu?
unix.822postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 11:10:31 GMT
In article <1995Aug11.071903.19862@hobbiton.CO.YU> you write:
>
>-> Sta pa ima lose u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj
>-> interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu vec krenulo, na raznim stranama.
>
> Slazem se, zasto ne imati mogucnost istovremenog rada vise OS na masini.
>Na kraju krajeva, dosemu je popularan bas zbog toga. A ovaj 'linuxemu' bi
>priblizio Linux korisnicima koji vjerovatno ne bi ni probali da rade na
>njemu.
samo da podsetim: Unix je postao kao 'kontra' sistemu Multix, koji je
simulacija mnostva racunara na jednom. Sad cu da vas tuzim K&R-u ;-)))
Dosta je tesko portovati VMS recimo na druge racunare, jer je on pisan da radi
na VAXu, i dosta je hardware depending. Odn. prati neku koncepciju koja bas
nije na PC sistemima izrazena...
--
Nikola Mitrovic | email: nikola@indigroup.com
Indian Group Network | nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
V
24 hours in a day...24 beers in a case...coincidence?
unix.823mkaralic,
Zdravo svima!
Potrebno mi je neko kratko uputstvo za MicroEmacs editor (možda ni ime nisam
pogodio, ali ovo je potrebno mojoj devojci za faks). Ako postoji neki kratak
spisak komandi, bilo bi lepo da mi neko pošalje na mail (nešto ukratko, samo da
može da se koristi).
Pozdrav // Mića !!!
unix.824mkaralic,
Hi!
Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
Pozdrav // Mića !!!
unix.825postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: Re: Unix_knjiga
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:47:41 GMT
Vladislav Arsic (Vladislav.Arsic@f128.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
> Koja je najbolja knjiga za Linux za pocetnika na srpskom jeziku
> istampana kod nas ?
Koliko je meni poznato tako neäto ne postoji.
unix.826dpop,
Ljudi, sta je sa najavljenim "The Linux Network Administrator's
Guide" koji je prije par brojeva Racunara najavljen na Sezam-u
i na FON FS-u koji je obecao Dragisha.
unix.827kuki,
> Potrebno mi je neko kratko uputstvo za MicroEmacs editor (možda ni ime nisam
pogodio si ime :) Evo jednog kratkog helpa (12k) :)
emacshlp.zipunix.828postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 11:23:18 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
: -> : Sta pa ima lose u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj
: -> : interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu vec krenulo, na raznim stranama.
: -> Sto imati jednu brzu stvar kad moz dve spore ;-)
: -> (( Ili: Sto bi nesto bilo jednostavno, kad moze komplikovano.. ))
: Zasto dosemu, zasto ne butiramo masinu i radimo na cistom DOSu?
Ja to i radim el jednostavno dosemu me ne podnosi kad udjem u debuger ..
Mada u poslednje vreme i to retko ...
unix.829postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 22:21:29 GMT
Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
-> : Zasto dosemu, zasto ne butiramo masinu i radimo na cistom DOSu?
-> Ja to i radim el jednostavno dosemu me ne podnosi kad udjem u debuger ..
-> Mada u poslednje vreme i to retko ...
Moguce zato sto ne znas da ga konfigurises... Pod novim dosemu trci i Win
3.1 u 386 enhanced modu, ne vjerujem da neki dibager moze da bude
zahtjevniji.
unix.830danko,
Da li je neko video u YU Development toolkit za PC-TCP firme FTP ?
Jako mi je vazno jer ne znam da lis stvar moze da zavrsi posao, a
treba mi par "saveta" da ga ne bih navaljao tek tako!
unix.831postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:12:58 GMT
Dragan Popovic (dpop@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> Ljudi, sta je sa najavljenim "The Linux Network Administrator's
-> Guide" koji je prije par brojeva Racunara najavljen na Sezam-u
-> i na FON FS-u koji je obecao Dragisha.
Ooooooooopss.. Nesto se ne sjecam da je ista slicno najavljivano /
obecavano. Taj NAG je skinut poodavno i ima ga naokolo, probaj preko anon
ftp-a linux direktorijum na FFSu, za pocetak.
unix.832postmast,
From: vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:04:51 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
:
: Hi!
:
: Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
: vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
:
: Pozdrav // Mica !!!
Sa 8MB radi dovoljno brzo. Sa 4 ne znam (sa UMSDOS fs).
Dok sam imao 4MB radio sam sa pravim Linux-om i zakljucio
da on sa 4MB poleti kada se izbace iz memorije nepotrebne
stvari...
unix.833postmast,
From: vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:06:42 GMT
Dragan Popovic (dpop@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Ljudi, sta je sa najavljenim "The Linux Network Administrator's
: Guide" koji je prije par brojeva Racunara najavljen na Sezam-u
: i na FON FS-u koji je obecao Dragisha.
To se jos davno pojavilo, ne secam se odakle sam ga "skinuo"
ali imas recimo na Mat. Fak. u BG :)
unix.834postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:13:36 GMT
Dragan Popovic (dpop@sezam.UUCP) reche:
/* > Ljudi, sta je sa najavljenim "The Linux Network Administrator's
/* > Guide" koji je prije par brojeva Racunara najavljen na Sezam-u
/* > i na FON FS-u koji je obecao Dragisha.
Imate ih na anonymous FTP-u galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu.
Ako zatreba imam ja backup kopije istih...
Pozdrav,
Bane
=============================================================================
Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu
=============================================================================
A short cut is the longest distance between two points.
unix.835postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:12:34 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
>> vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
>>
>> Pozdrav // Mica !!!
Tako nesto radi brzo i sa 4 Mb iako se radi sa FAT diskovima.
Normalno, mora se prvo instalirati GNU C/C++. Podrazumeva se
da se ne tera XWin jer bi to bilo spooooro do bola.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.836postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:59:58 GMT
Dragan Popovic (dpop@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Ljudi, sta je sa najavljenim "The Linux Network Administrator's
: Guide" koji je prije par brojeva Racunara najavljen na Sezam-u
: i na FON FS-u koji je obecao Dragisha.
ftp://hobbiton.co.yu/pub/LDP/
-+-
anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
unix.837postmast,
From: root@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Superuser)
Subject: UMSDOS
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:04:31 GMT
Pri dizanju mog mL-a (kernel sam uzeo sa Sezama - yucca mL)
ispise sledece:
Partition check:
hda: hda1
UMSDOS Beta 0.6 (compatibility level 0.4, fast msdos)
Mounting root
/linux is there
/linux/etc is there
Activating pseudo root /linux
Mounted root (umsdos filesystem).
Da li je neko imao problema sa tim UMSDOS Beta 0.6?
^^^^
Imao sam dosta problema sa UMSDOS-om koji je bio u
originalnom mL-u.
Da li ima neko kernel sa novijom (neBeta) verzijom
UMSDOS fajl sistema?
unix.838violator,
Konačno se setih da mi ne radi mL... Stigne do onog mounting root, i
onda mi kaže unable to mount root, don't panic, i zaglavi :(
unix.839postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:18:11 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
:
: Hi!
:
: Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
: vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
Zavisi od mnogo stvari.. Ali vrlo sporo (e ovo je diskutabilno meni u pravom
linux-u compajler radi uzasno sporo) i sve zavisi od brzine pristupa disku
(i swap-u ), cuo sam da je pristup disku u miniL mnogo spor...
unix.840postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: Unix_knjiga
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:20:59 GMT
Aleksandar Markovic (alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Vladislav Arsic (Vladislav.Arsic@f128.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: > Koja je najbolja knjiga za Linux za pocetnika na srpskom jeziku
: > istampana kod nas ?
: Koliko je meni poznato tako neäto ne postoji.
Normalno... Najbolji prirucnik je neko ko nije pocetnik sa Linuxom ;-)
unix.841postmast,
From: vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:27:21 GMT
Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
: Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: :
: : Hi!
: :
: : Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
: : vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
: Zavisi od mnogo stvari.. Ali vrlo sporo (e ovo je diskutabilno meni u pravom
: linux-u compajler radi uzasno sporo) i sve zavisi od brzine pristupa disku
: (i swap-u ), cuo sam da je pristup disku u miniL mnogo spor...
Za one koje imaju 4MB sa Linux-om neka probaju testa radi da urade sledece:
- komentarisite u rc.* datotekama startovanje sledecih procesa:
* crond
* syslogd
* klogd
* inetd
- u datoteci /etc/inittab ostavite da se inicijalizuju samo 3-4
virtuelne konzole (komentarisite pod c4-6)
I vidite promenu u brzini :)
Ja se secam kada sam imao 4MB i uvek kada bih pustio neki proces
(gcc, ucitam veci fajl u editor itd.) Linux je stalno swapovao,
sa ovim iskljucenjima (naravno ako imamo 4MB) Linux bukvalno
poleti. E sad je pitanje sta vam od iskljucenih stvari treba,
ali 6 virtuelnih konzola vam verovatno ne treba, ako ne radite
neka nova instaliranja mozete iskljuciti syslogd i klogd (izgubicete
usput i gomilanje fajlova /var/adm/syslog, /var/adm/messages, ...).
Have Fun! :)
unix.842postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic)
Subject: cancel <1995Aug16.233402.946@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 23:35:30 GMT
Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
unix.843mkaralic,
> pogodio si ime :) Evo jednog kratkog helpa (12k) :)
Hvala na pomoći. :)
Pozdrav // Mića
> nisam
> pogodio si ime :) Evo jednog kratkog helpa (12k) :)
unix.844mkaralic,
> : Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u?
> sa 4MB poleti kada se izbace iz memorije nepotrebne stvari...
Interesuje me još jedna stvar. Koliko bi na disku trebalo odvojiti za Linux,
GNU C++ i swapfile za rad sa C-om? Da li bi to stalo na 50MB?
Nadam se da je Linux oko 20, C++ oko 20 i swapfile oko 8MB. Da li sam u pravu?
Pozdrav // Mića
unix.845mkaralic,
>>> Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi
>
> Tako nesto radi brzo i sa 4 Mb iako se radi sa FAT diskovima.
> Normalno, mora se prvo instalirati GNU C/C++. Podrazumeva se
To je super, jer već imam mini Linux. Dakle, samo još GNU C++. Nadam se da se
instalacija izvodi isto kao kod normalnog Linux-a.
Pozdrav // Mića
unix.846postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:15:58 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
: -> : Zasto dosemu, zasto ne butiramo masinu i radimo na cistom DOSu?
: -> Ja to i radim el jednostavno dosemu me ne podnosi kad udjem u debuger ..
: -> Mada u poslednje vreme i to retko ...
: Moguce zato sto ne znas da ga konfigurises... Pod novim dosemu trci i Win
: 3.1 u 386 enhanced modu, ne vjerujem da neki dibager moze da bude
: zahtjevniji.
Nemam vremena za cackanja konfiguracija, ali ne samo debug nego i kad se
dosemu resetuje (dok je u visokoj rezoluciji) jednostavno se ekran linuxa
zablokira, i ne samo to nego i tpx (Turbo Pascal IDE u protect modu) nece da
radi... Nije mi tolko ni vazno el u poslednje vreme nemam vremena (dovoljno)
ni za Linux ...
unix.847postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:18:49 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: :
: : Hi!
: :
: : Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
: : vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
: :
: : Pozdrav // Mica !!!
: Sa 8MB radi dovoljno brzo. Sa 4 ne znam (sa UMSDOS fs).
: Dok sam imao 4MB radio sam sa pravim Linux-om i zakljucio
: da on sa 4MB poleti kada se izbace iz memorije nepotrebne
: stvari...
Kako mislis i sta da izbacis ??
unix.848postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:08:05 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote:
: : Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: : :
: : : Hi!
: : :
: : : Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u? Zanima me koliko bi trebalo
: : : vremena da se prevede program Hello World na 4MB. Da li vredi?
: : Zavisi od mnogo stvari.. Ali vrlo sporo (e ovo je diskutabilno meni u pravom
: : linux-u compajler radi uzasno sporo) i sve zavisi od brzine pristupa disku
: : (i swap-u ), cuo sam da je pristup disku u miniL mnogo spor...
: Za one koje imaju 4MB sa Linux-om neka probaju testa radi da urade sledece:
: - komentarisite u rc.* datotekama startovanje sledecih procesa:
: * crond
: * syslogd
: * klogd
: * inetd
: - u datoteci /etc/inittab ostavite da se inicijalizuju samo 3-4
: virtuelne konzole (komentarisite pod c4-6)
: I vidite promenu u brzini :)
: Ja se secam kada sam imao 4MB i uvek kada bih pustio neki proces
: (gcc, ucitam veci fajl u editor itd.) Linux je stalno swapovao,
: sa ovim iskljucenjima (naravno ako imamo 4MB) Linux bukvalno
: poleti. E sad je pitanje sta vam od iskljucenih stvari treba,
: ali 6 virtuelnih konzola vam verovatno ne treba, ako ne radite
: neka nova instaliranja mozete iskljuciti syslogd i klogd (izgubicete
: usput i gomilanje fajlova /var/adm/syslog, /var/adm/messages, ...).
TO sam planiro da radim (za kernele) ali trenutno ih ne kompajliram... A sto
se tice toga to se najlakse izvede ako se napravi drugi sistem napravi se
konfiguracija za dizanje sistema koja se stavi na mesto /etc (normalni etc
se cuva) i onda se digne sistem...
Inace najgore je kad pri komapajliranju upadne newsrun ili sendbatcher itd.
onda masini treba jedno 5 min (nekad i mnogo vise) da prezivi to... To mi se
desilo i dok sam listo (less) dajl od 1.5 M jednostavno masina se pocela
daviti ...
unix.849postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:18:33 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
>>
>> Interesuje me jos jedna stvar. Koliko bi na disku trebalo odvojiti za Linux,
>> GNU C++ i swapfile za rad sa C-om? Da li bi to stalo na 50MB?
>> Nadam se da je Linux oko 20, C++ oko 20 i swapfile oko 8MB. Da li sam u pravu?
>>
Ako mozes da odvojis 50 mega diska onda je bolje napraviti
particiju i instalirati 'pravi' linux. Stavis 10 mega swap
particiju i imas 40 mega za sistem. To je sasvim dovoljno i
radice primetno brze nego mL. Nije to tako komplikovano kao
sto neki misle, cak stavise poprilicno je prosto.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.850postmast,
From: vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:15:26 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: > : Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u?
:
: > sa 4MB poleti kada se izbace iz memorije nepotrebne stvari...
:
: Interesuje me jos jedna stvar. Koliko bi na disku trebalo odvojiti za Linux,
: GNU C++ i swapfile za rad sa C-om? Da li bi to stalo na 50MB?
: Nadam se da je Linux oko 20, C++ oko 20 i swapfile oko 8MB. Da li sam u pravu?
:
: Pozdrav // Mica
Zavisi sta instaliras od Linux-a, ali u 50MB sigurno staje...
U principu to bi trebalo da zauzima dosta manje (kod mene to
zauzima oko 25MB (Osnovni set + Nx, Dx diskete + sica)), ja
koristim mL + to u zagradi ;) zato sto mi mL dinamicki koristi
disk sa Win95 i dosom (ne moram da odredjujem fiksnu particiju).
unix.851postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:30:13 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: > : Da li je neko radio u nekom C-u na Mini Linux-u?
:
: > sa 4MB poleti kada se izbace iz memorije nepotrebne stvari...
:
: Interesuje me jos jedna stvar. Koliko bi na disku trebalo odvojiti za Linux,
: GNU C++ i swapfile za rad sa C-om? Da li bi to stalo na 50MB?
: Nadam se da je Linux oko 20, C++ oko 20 i swapfile oko 8MB. Da li sam u pravu?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sta bi mogo sa ovim da kompajliras ??? Neki program od 20-tak redi ??
dosemu moz da se kompajlira sa min. 20M memorije (swap+RAM).
A za druge stvari nebih da nagadjam...
unix.852mkaralic,
> Linux, : GNU C++ i swapfile za rad sa C-om? Da li bi to stalo na 50MB?
> Zavisi sta instaliras od Linux-a, ali u 50MB sigurno staje...
> U principu to bi trebalo da zauzima dosta manje (kod mene to
> zauzima oko 25MB (Osnovni set + Nx, Dx diskete + sica)), a
Šta zauzima 25MB? Da li mL, C++ i swapfile? Zna li, uopšte, neko, kako da
iskoristim swapfile od Windows-a za mL?
Pozdrav // Mića
unix.853sir.oracle,
Molim postovane kolege da mi pomognu u razresavanju problema instalacije
CD-ROMa na SCO UNIX-u (ili OPEN DESKTOP-u). Problem je u tome sto mi nije
dostupan nijedan SCSI CD-ROM pa me zanima da li je moguce (ima li drivera ) za
neki od standardnih NON-SCSI CD-ROM-ova: ATAPI, SOUND BLASTER ili neki drugi
uobicajeniji model (MITSUMI,SONY ...).
CD-ROM je u FAT formatu (MS-DOS) pa bi kao eventualna mogucnost ostala i
varijanta da se navedeni CD-ROM preko TCP/IP-a postavi i na nekom drugom
operativnom sistemu, medjutim nije mi poznato sta bis bila najekonomicnija
software-ska varijanta (VALJDA NEKI NFS za DOS,Windows,OS/2,Novell ili NT.
OSNOVNI CILJ JE DA SE NAVEDENI CD NA KOJEM SU SCO-UNIX EXECUTABLE FILE-OVI
SNIMLJENI NA FAT PARTICIJI mMOGU VIDETI, STARTOVATI ILI BAR KOPIRATI DIREKTNO
SA CD-ROM-a.
unix.854ppekovic,
>> CD-ROMa na SCO UNIX-u (ili OPEN DESKTOP-u). Problem je u tome
>> sto mi nije dostupan nijedan SCSI CD-ROM pa me zanima da li je
>> moguce (ima li drivera ) za neki od standardnih NON-SCSI
>> CD-ROM-ova: ATAPI, SOUND BLASTER ili neki drugi
Ne, za sada nema drajvera ni za jedan ne-SCSI CD za SCO Unix. Šta
više, ljudi iz SCO-a kažu da ih neće ni praviti. Jedino me čudi kako
niko od nezavisnih proizvođača nije napravio drajver za neki ne-SCSI
CD.
>> OSNOVNI CILJ JE DA SE NAVEDENI CD NA KOJEM SU SCO-UNIX
>> EXECUTABLE FILE-OVI SNIMLJENI NA FAT PARTICIJI mMOGU VIDETI,
>> STARTOVATI ILI BAR KOPIRATI DIREKTNO SA CD-ROM-a.
Fajlovi na CD-u su najverovatnije u ISO 9660 (jel tako beše?)
formatu. Možeš iš čitati na DOS-u, Unix-u, OS/2,... Ako imaš CD na
nekoj od mašina u mreži, predlažem ti da na brzinu instaliraš neki
Linux koji ima drajvere za tvoj CD pa da onda preko NFS-a export-uješ
CD SCO mašini.
Paya
unix.855vitez.koja,
#=> Šta zauzima 25MB? Da li mL, C++ i swapfile? Zna li,
#=> uopšte, neko, kako da iskoristim swapfile od Windows-a
#=> za mL?
mkswap /DOS/c/386spart.par 10240 (10MB swap na rečenom mestu)
zatim, u /etc/rc.d/rc.local dodaš
sync
swapon /DOS/c/386spart.par
i to je to.
unix.856postmast,
From: obj@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Obrad Bjelic)
Subject: HP IV PostScript na TCP/IP mrezi
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 20:51:15 GMT
U jednoj mrezi u kojoj se nalazi dva SCO UNIX kompjutera
i petnaestak PC-a pod Windows-ima, postoji i HP JaserJet IV
sa PostScript kertridzom i 10,5 MB memorije. Printer ima
direktan ethernet prikljucak na mrezu, raspoznaje sve moguce
i nemoguce mrezne protokole, i iz Windows-a se jako lepo i
brzo radi sa njime. Printer podrzava i TCP/IP vezu, i ima
svoj internet broj (199.14.25.3).
Trebalo bi mi da preko TCP/IP-a mogu da saljem
PostScript komande i, jos vaznije, primam odgovor stampaca.
Kada se sa Unix box-a telnetujem na 119.14.25.3, pojavi
se programcic za konfigurisanje printera. Isto se desava i
iz Windowsa (baterija Microsoft TCP for WFWG plus Procomm
for Windows). Pokusao sam da se telnetujem na razne druge
portove, ali nije bilo rezultata (Connection Refused).
Da li neko zna preko kojeg TCP/... porta radi HP IV
PostScript na internet mrezi?
unix.857ppekovic,
>> Da li neko zna preko kojeg TCP/... porta radi HP IV
>> PostScript na internet mrezi?
Probaj 137, 138 ili 139. Ovo su portovi za NetBios komunikaciju
preko TCP/IP-a. Vrlo lako može da se desi da štampač izigrava Lan
Manager server. Ako je takva prilika, onda javi, imam neki softver
koji na Unix-u igra Lan Manager server s tim što ima i neko programče
koje igra klijenta.
Paya
unix.858jpptticb,
> više, ljudi iz SCO-a kažu da ih neće ni praviti. Jedino me čudi ka
> niko od nezavisnih proizvođača nije napravio drajver za neki
> ne-SCSI
Da iskoristim priliku: imamo problema sa SCO ODT v.3 koja je
instalirana na jednom IBM ValuePoint racunaru. Sa ADAPTEC-ovim
SCSI kontrolerom AHA-2842A (VLB), pri radu sa SCSI strimericom
i Seagate ST-31230N (SCSI) diskom, javlja seb(pri RESTORE-u)
nesto ovako:
FATAL: Parity error on the motherboard
PANIC: Parity error address unknown
Traying to dump 4000 pages to dumpdev hd (1/41) at block 0
.....
FATAL: Parity error on the motherboard
DOUBLE PANIC: Parity error address unknown
Traying to dump 4000 pages to dumpdev hd (1/41) at block 0
... i onda zaglavi totalno.
Sa FUTURE DOMAIN SCSI (ISA) kontrolerom (TMC-1670SVP), nije bilo
problema dok je koriscen samo za strimericu (korisceni su IDE
diskovi), a sa Seagate (SCSI) javlja gomilu losih blokova. Dosta
davno, probano je sa vise drugih SCSI diskova na ovom kontroleru,
i jedino je sa nekim antickim MICROPOLIS diskovima (sporo) radio.
Negde videh da SCO ima neki patch za IBM VeluePoint, pa ako imas
(imate) neku konkretniju informaciju o tome, ili drugu korisnu
sugestiju, molim nemoj(te) se stideti ...
unix.860mkaralic,
> mkswap /DOS/c/386spart.par 10240 (10MB swap na rečenom mestu)
Zahvaljujem na pomoći :)
Pozdrav // Mića
unix.864slom,
> Da li je neko video u YU Development toolkit za PC-TCP firme FTP ?
> Jako mi je vazno jer ne znam da lis stvar moze da zavrsi posao, a
> treba mi par "saveta" da ga ne bih navaljao tek tako!
Najbolje da se raspitas direktno kod proizvodjaca - info@ftp.com
unix.865postmast,
From: vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 01:18:38 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Sta zauzima 25MB? Da li mL, C++ i swapfile? Zna li, uopste, neko, kako da
: iskoristim swapfile od Windows-a za mL?
mL + GCC + Network (1-4) = 25MB (bez swapa, ne treba mi).
--
http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.866postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: gopher & Linux
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:21:58 GMT
Pokusavam da prevedem gopher2.012 (sa Fon-a), ali imam problema sa
regexp.h i kasnije sa -lsocket.
Ko je uspesno instalirao gopher na Linuxu, kako je to uradio?
Dragoljub
unix.867postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 04:44:26 GMT
Obrad Bjelic (obj@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Pavle Pekovic (ppekovic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> : Probaj 137, 138 ili 139. Ovo su portovi za NetBios komunikaciju
-> : preko TCP/IP-a. Vrlo lako moze da se desi da stampac izigrava Lan
-> Hvala na informaciji, probacu. Inace, za taj printer nemam(ju) nikakvu
Usput probaj i port 515, to je BSD lpd(8) port, standard za Unix-ish print
servere. Jos ako isti radi preko TCP/IP, a radi...
unix.868postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:47:54 GMT
Aleksandar Nikolajevic (banga@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
>> Od pre nekoliko meseci imam naloge na dve Unix masine osmeh.fon i
>> telekom.etf
>> Do tada se za vise od dve decenije rada na raznim masinama nikada nisam
>> sreo sa Unixom.
>> Da ne duzim imam problem sa brisanjem nepotrebnih fajlova.
Komanda za brisanje fajlova na unix-u je
rm ime-fajla
i postoji na svim unix-ima.
>> TELEKOM. Kod telekom masine sve je bilo u redu, sto se brisanja tice,
>> do danas kad sam sa UBBG uradio ftp W32SOLE.EXE. Iz nekog razloga se
>> ta fajla sada zove W32S'CAW.EXE i ne mogu nikako da je obrisem a zauzima
>> preko 2M.
Zavisi od OS-a kako se zove komanda za brisanje. Ali moralo
bi dsa upali (rm W32*) ako je unix ili nesto drugo, recimo
(delete W32*.*;*) ako je to neki VAX.
--
Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.869postmast,
From: obj@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Obrad Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:00:22 GMT
Pavle Pekovic (ppekovic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Probaj 137, 138 ili 139. Ovo su portovi za NetBios komunikaciju
: preko TCP/IP-a. Vrlo lako moze da se desi da stampac izigrava Lan
Hvala na informaciji, probacu. Inace, za taj printer nemam(ju) nikakvu
dokumentaciju :(( pa sam mogao samo da nabadam portove. Potreba za tom
vrstom komunikacije postoji zato sto je cesto potrebno baciti stranice
i stranice teksta u cistom PostScript-u, dakle bez ikakvih drajvera,
filtera ili slicnog. :)
zahvalan,
Obrad
unix.870postmast,
From: Mladen.Adamovic@f135.n135.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Mladen Adamovic)
Subject: Only test
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 03:00:48
-+=+- Dragan D. Vecerina rece : -+=+-
DDV> Nemoj ko da replicira:)
Necemo ;)
Pozdrav, Mladen Adamovic (adamm@elf.bl.ac.yu, madamovic@sezam.co.yu).
... Hocu da me pokriva ljuta kopriva, i poneki TAGicak da me podseca na...
* Origin: Sveti Sava BBS Prijedor 079 11 629 SETNet: (38:135/135)
unix.871postmast,
From: sale@caa.co.yu (Aleksandar Olujic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:37:39 GMT
Milorad Karalic (mkaralic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Sta zauzima 25MB? Da li mL, C++ i swapfile? Zna li, uopste, neko, kako da
: iskoristim swapfile od Windows-a za mL?
ULR: gopher://pax.caa.co.yu.:70/00/Linux Documentation/faq/howto/Tips-HOWTO
pax gopher server je dostupan sa racunara alef.yucca.co.yu 626623 od 22h do
10h, nalog se dobija prijavljivanjem na sistem.
Pozdrav.
Sale
_________________________________________________________________________
The Linux Tips HOWTO
Vince Reed, reedv@rpi.edu
v0.0, 26 May 1994
This document describes time-saving ideas and procedures intended to
make linux easier to configure and use. Items found here are too gen-
eral to be included in one of the other howtos.
[...]
3.1. Sharing swap partitions between Linux and Windows. Tony Acero,
ace3@midway.uchicago.edu
1. Format the partition as a dos partition, and create the Windows
swap file on it, but don't run windows yet. (You want to keep the
swap file completely empty for now, so that it compresses well).
2. Boot linux and save the partition into a file. For example if the
partition was /dev/hda8:
dd if=/dev/hda8 of=/etc/dosswap
3. Compress the dosswap file; since it is virtually all 0's it will
compress very well
gzip -9 /etc/dosswap
4. Add the following to the /etc/rc file to prepare and install the
swap space under Linux:
XXXXX is the number of blocks in the swap partition
mkswap /dev/hda8 XXXXX
swapon -av
Make sure you add an entry for the swap partition in your /etc/fstab
file
5. If your init/reboot package supports /etc/brc or /sbin/brc add the
following to /etc/brc, else do this by hand when you want to boot
to dos|os/2 and you want to convert the swap partition back to the
dos/windows version:
swapoff -av
zcat /etc/dosswap.gz | dd of=/dev/hda8 bs=1k count=100
# Note that this only writes the first 100 blocks back to the parti-
tion. I've found empirically that this is sufficient
>> What are the pros and cons of doing this?
Pros: you save a substantial amount of disk space.
Cons: if step 5 is not automatic, you have to remember to do it by
hand, and it slows the reboot process by a nanosecond :-)
____________________________________________________________________________
unix.872postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: gopher & Linux
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 17:58:30 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Pokusavam da prevedem gopher2.012 (sa Fon-a), ali imam problema sa
: regexp.h i kasnije sa -lsocket.
: Ko je uspesno instalirao gopher na Linuxu, kako je to uradio?
: Dragoljub
Pa jednostavno skines linux distribuciju gophera :).
-+-
anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
unix.873vlad,
>> Da li je neko video u YU Development toolkit za PC-TCP firme FTP ?
>
> Najbolje da se raspitas direktno kod proizvodjaca - infočftp.com
, pa javi ovamo sta si izbunario.
unix.874vitez.koja,
Dešava mi se neverovatna stvar. Namestim /etc/issue i /etc/motd
fajlove kako mi se sviđa, i sve naravno radi. Do prvog reseta.
Tada se pod tim imenima pojave default fajlovi, a od mojih ni
traga ni glasa?! Kako da mu doskočim?
I još jedno pitanje: kako da sa grepom tražim string "\n", znači
backslash pa n, ne LF ili tako nešto. Naravno, grep \n * ne radi,
ali ne rade ni grep \\n * a ni grep "\\n" (?). Šta da mu radim?
unix.875iznogud,
:: Dešava mi se neverovatna stvar. Namestim /etc/issue i /etc/motd
:: fajlove kako mi se sviđa, i sve naravno radi. Do prvog reseta.
:: Tada se pod tim imenima pojave default fajlovi, a od mojih ni
:: traga ni glasa?! Kako da mu doskočim?
Koliko se ja sećam, u jednom od rc.* fajlova (valjda rc.local, ali
ne mogu da ruku dam da je tako) se nalaze linije koje pri svakom
podizanju sistema kreiraju issue i motd fajlove. Stavi komentar
ispred tih linija (običan 'echo trtmrt > /etc/issue') i sve će
biti u redu.
unix.876eotek,
> Desava mi se neverovatna stvar. Namestim /etc/issue i /etc/motd
> fajlove kako mi se svida, i sve naravno radi. Do prvog reseta.
/etc/rc.d/rc.S :
# THESE WIPE ANY CHANGES YOU MAKE TO /ETC/ISSUE AND /ETC/MOTD WITH
EACH
# BOOT. COMMENT THEM OUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CUSTOM VERSIONS.
> I jos jedno pitanje: kako da sa grepom trazim string "\n",
> znaci backslash pa n, ne LF ili tako nesto. Naravno, grep \n *
> ne radi, ali ne rade ni grep \\n * a ni grep "\\n" (?). Sta da
> mu radim?
ali radi: grep '\n' proba.file :), pod uslovom da \n nije
jedini skup znakova u poslednjem redu fajla.
unix.877vitez.koja,
#=> 3.1. Sharing swap partitions between Linux and Windows.
#=> Tony Acero, ace3@midway.uchicago.edu
Zanimljiv članak, ali ne pomaže :) Jer, čovek je tražio način da
podeli swap FAJL između Linuxa i Windowsa, ne swap PARTICIJU.
unix.878madamov,
Hello Milan,
>Please, E-mail me info & price on yours UNIX for Macintosh computers.
>
If you give us your mailing address, we will send brochures to supplement
this electronic response.
MachTen is an implementation of Berkeley's 4.3BSD Unix, built on a Carnegie
Mellon Mach foundation (Mach 2.5). It runs as an application on the native
Macintosh Operating System (MacOS). Included with MachTen are Unix
programs and a Mach kernel. The kernel supports a standard Unix
applications environment which supports hundreds of standard Unix
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Today, MachTen runs on Power Macintosh in emulation mode (without MachTen
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Tenon offers two MachTen packages: Personal MachTen and Professional MachTen.
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Both packages run on all Macintoshes, but you need memory management support
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without the fonts, consumes 5MB on disk.
The following frequently asked questions are answered below.
Q. How does MachTen differ from A/UX?
Q. What networking support does MachTen provide?
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Apple does not plan to port A/UX to any new machines.
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The kernel includes the full TCP suite of protocols, including telnet
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makes use of the serial port portion of the Macintosh Communication Toolbox
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Using AppleTalk Remote, it is possible to dial into your AppleTalk environment
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MachTen includes the Berkeley socket library.
Q. On what media is MachTen distributed?
MachTen is distributed on high-density 3 1/2" floppy disks. (Double-density
disks for Personal MachTen are available by special order.)
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interoperates with the Finder, all add-on hardware should work under
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Q. Does the "xxx" software package run on MachTen?
Most Unix software packages can be ported to MachTen in a
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unix.879dragisak,
Ako ima zainteresovanih za jedan posao.
Radi se o jednom projektu koji bi se radio u C-u na Unix-u sa
juzer interfejsom pod X Windowsima. Po mojoj proceni, veličina
posla je oko 200 čovek-sati.
Plaćanje po dogovoru.
Za detalje nazvati:
Đorđević, tel. 450-477
(kažite da ste informaciju dobili od Dragiše)
unix.880vitez.koja,
#=> Koliko se ja sećam, u jednom od rc.* fajlova (valjda
Hvala na odgovoru. Što je najsmešnije, meni je to prvo palo na pamet,
pa sam grep-ovao motd kroz sve /etc/rc.d fajlove. I nije ga bilo :))
Mora da sam otkucao grep modt ili tako nešto :)
...i tako je stvar rešena na opšte zadovoljstvo. Jedino mi nije
jasno odakle im ideja da nameste ovo...
unix.881postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 05:56:48 GMT
Superman (root@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu) pise:
^^^^
Ovo je jako losa praksa! Otvori sebi smrtnicki nalog i radi sve sa njega
za sta ti Root nije neophodan. Root je iskljucivo za administraciju
sistema i nikako sa njega ne radi druge stvari a posebno ne razvijaj
softver (retko treba Root za razvoj). Prosto, pre ili kasnije ces
orkucati 'rm -rf *' ili nesto slicno i bye, bye baby...
unix.882postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 06:56:26 GMT
Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) wrote:
-> Elem desava mi se interesantna stvar. Kada bootujem linux, agetty ttyS1
-> (modem) se zaglupi i ne konstatuje modem ni pod razno dok ga ne ubijem. Kada
-> se respawnuje sve radi ok...(?) ima li neko ideju o cemu se radi...?
Evo ga jedan sa agetty na modemu. :)
Hint: getty, uugetty (oboje getty_ps svita, toplo priporocam) ili mgetty
(ovoga obozaje alekm).
unix.883postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: za mazoKiste i tako to
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 07:09:27 GMT
Koga zanima, moze na Hobbitonu da prati/povuce feed FreeBSD mailing lista
kao news grupe.
Posto sam ovo odradio pod pritiskom (citaj svakodnevnim floodovanjem i
dosadjivanjem) izvjesnih, desilo se prije linux lista, no sta je tu je :).
Ovim najavljujem i skoro pustanje ho.linux.* hijerarhije, i mogucnost
citanja/feedovanja, of kors.
unix.884postmast,
From: root@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Superman)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 13:09:51 GMT
Vladimir Maric (vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Desava mi se neverovatna stvar. Namestim /etc/issue i /etc/motd
: fajlove kako mi se svida, i sve naravno radi. Do prvog reseta.
: Tada se pod tim imenima pojave default fajlovi, a od mojih ni
: traga ni glasa?! Kako da mu doskocim?
Edituj datoteku /etc/rc.d/rc.S, u njoj komentarisi odgovarajuce
delove (echo xxx > /etc/issue, echo yyy > /etc/motd) i radice :)
unix.885postmast,
From: vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: GCC
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:04:15 GMT
Kako da u GCCu u Linuxu iskljucim alignment u okviru struktura?
Imam jedan program koji zapisuje i cita C strukture u fajl koji
treba da bude kompatibilan sa DOSom. Problem je sto Linuxov GCC
ubacuje bajtove kako bi polja strukture bile na adresi deljivoj
sa 4. E, kako da eliminisem to poravnanje?
--
http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.886postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:24:04 GMT
Dragan Djokic (ddjokic@fon) rece:
> Aleksandar Nikolajevic (banga@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la:
> >> Od pre nekoliko meseci imam naloge na dve Unix masine osmeh.fon i
> >> telekom.etf
> >> Do tada se za vise od dve decenije rada na raznim masinama nikada nisam
> >> sreo sa Unixom.
> >> Da ne duzim imam problem sa brisanjem nepotrebnih fajlova.
> Komanda za brisanje fajlova na unix-u je
>
> rm ime-fajla
moguce je da ima neki non-printable char u imenu, bolja varijanta je (a i
sigurno radi)
rm -i *
i unix ce te pitati datoteku po datoteku da li hoces da obrises... kada
stignes do 'voljene' -- kazi y!
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
| nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
unix.887postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:26:29 GMT
Elem desava mi se interesantna stvar. Kada bootujem linux, agetty ttyS1
(modem) se zaglupi i ne konstatuje modem ni pod razno dok ga ne ubijem. Kada
se respawnuje sve radi ok...(?) ima li neko ideju o cemu se radi...?
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
| nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
unix.888eotek,
CNews: renouncing ... nonstandard NEWSPATH, II. deo
Instalirao sam Linux sa Info-magic CD (March'95, Slackware
2.2.), pokusavam vec duze vreme da poteram CNews, ali ne mogu da
post-ujem nijedan news, jer dobijam stalno poruku:
"newsspool: renouncing setuid due to nonstandard NEWSPATH
in enviroment".
Nasao (?) sam i sta je muka (medjusobna inkonzistentnost
"some of the programs" ??? - vidi dole tekst).
Pitanja:
1. je'l neko sa ovom distribucijom poterao CNews, ako da
kako.
2. u kojoj distribuciji _provereno_ radi CNews ?
Molim za pomoc, prema mogucnostima sto pre, jako mi je
hitno ...
======================================================================
/usr/doc/cnews/docs/trouble:
Problems "renouncing setuid"
It works fine for incoming news, but whenever I try to post
an article myself I get a complaint about ``renouncing setuid''.
There are two places in C News where the pathnames of things
like the control-file directory are known. One is the ``config''
file,
config typically /usr/lib/news/bin/config.
The other is compiled into some of the programs.
You _cannot_ change one without also changing the other; this means
that you basically cannot change either without rebuilding the
software.
The ``renouncing setuid'' message means that the two are
inconsistent. Do not try to edit the config file without rebuilding
the software; that doesn't work.
======================================================================
==
unix.889kdrazan,
Postoji li kakva grupa za Unix ?
unix.890hobit,
Hi,
dobio sam CD sa Slackware Linux 2.3.0. na kojem se
nalazi i RED HAT Mother Day Distribution.
Koji tip instalacije je lakši za instalaciju u slučaju
totalnog UNIX početnika (tj. mene ;).
\bye
unix.891ppekovic,
>> Postoji li kakva grupa za Unix ?
žemu kada postoji ova tema?
Paya
unix.892spantic,
> dobio sam CD sa Slackware Linux 2.3.0. na kojem se
Standardni Slakver verovatno najviše odgovara. Javi
ako budeš imao problema. Neki su se na Linux konferencijama
žalili na Slackware 2.3.0 pa me baš zanima.
Pošto si ga platio ako nije tajna? Ilitiza koliko se
i gde može kupiti?
unix.893hobit,
> Pošto si ga platio ako nije tajna? Ilitiza koliko se
> i gde može kupiti?
Naručeno preko kolege u USA za 15$ + 5$ za poštarinu.
Adresa je bila okacena ovde na sezamu pre 2-3 meseca.
Ovih dana ću ga probati pa ću javiti iskustva.
\bye
ps. ima i DOOM za X win.
unix.894banga,
> Komanda za brisanje fajlova na unix-u je
>
> rm ime-fajla
Kasno sam ukapirao da pored delete erase ima i rm. Svejedno hvala.
Na telekom-u je problem bio ' za koga treba predhodno otkucati
\(backslash). Thanks to rade+@osmeh.
unix.895bulaja,
Postoji li neki mail reader koji omogućava snimanje svih novih poruka u
jednu tekst datoteku, ili (još bolje) da ih arhivira i omogući direktan
download iz mail readera :). Pine koji koristim na FON-u izgleda može da
snimi samo jednu poruku, a download i OLR se nigde ne spominju.
unix.896ppekovic,
>> Postoji li neki mail reader koji omogućava snimanje svih novih
>> poruka u jednu tekst datoteku, ili (još bolje) da ih arhivira
>> i omogući direktan download iz mail readera :). Pine koji
>> koristim na FON-u izgleda može da snimi samo jednu poruku, a
>> download i OLR se nigde ne spominju.
Obavestenje o off-line reader-u je stajalo par meseci :). Ukratko:
soup skuplja mail & news poruke, zip-uje istartuje zmodem. Program za
off-line čitanje se zove yarn FFS:/msdos/bbs. Odgovore šalješ sa soup
upload.
Paya
unix.897madamov,
> off-line čitanje se zove yarn FFS:/msdos/bbs
Postoji li Mac verzija?
unix.898ppekovic,
>> > off-line čitanje se zove yarn FFS:/msdos/bbs
>>
>> Postoji li Mac verzija?
Postoje samo OS/2 i DOS verzije. Međutim, možda je neko napravio
MAC off-line reader za SOUP format. soup na FON računarima je samo
script koji poziva uqwk program koji radi glavni posao. Ovaj program
može da pakuje poruke i u QWK formatu, pa ako za MAC-a imaš QWK
off-line reader ...
Paya
unix.899madamov,
> pa ako za MAC-a imaš QWK off-line reader ...
Ovo se već može naći. Thanks.
unix.900spantic,
> ps. ima i DOOM za X win.
Danas mi je Bdm pokazao sjajnu platformsku, doduše 2D, igru
pisanu za Linux i to u Lisp-u. žovek je lepo obavio posao. Na
žalost, stradala je istog dana u havariji diska. Reč je o 2 MB
koje treba ponovo skinuti od Dragiše :(
> Naručeno preko kolege u USA za 15$ + 5$ za poštarinu.
> Adresa je bila okacena ovde na sezamu pre 2-3 meseca.
žekaj, pa to su InfoMagic-ovi diskovi, set od 4 diska?
Ako ti nije teško ponovi adresu i broj pod kojim je naručen.
unix.901postmast,
From: batman@BCS.sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Matija Guttman)
Subject: Re: Mgetty
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:08:25 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic nije mogao da odoli pa je napisao sledece:
B-) Mgetty, cuo sam da je dobar. Imam verziju 0.97 ali treba mi pomoc oko
B-) konfigurisanja. Moze li neko da posalje fajlove za to? I kako namestiti da
B-) odgovara na trece zvono.
Trece zvono... Pa ovako. Ovo ubaci u /etc/inittab
S1:456:respawn:/usr/local/sbin/mgetty -x 4 -s 38400 -n 2 -D ttyS1
^
Ovo je br. zvona
--
_\\|//_
|=|
-------------------------------ooO-( 0 0 )-Ooo------------------------------
Matija Guttman (_) batman@bcs.sunrise.hobbiton.co.yu
Kragujevac [++ 381 | 0]34 68 002 batman@sunrise.hobbiton.co.yu
Yugoslavia batman@uis0.uis.kg.ac.yu
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Batman's Cyber System Kragujevac Serbia Yugoslavia [++ 381 | 0]34 68 002 #
unix.902banga,
> soup skuplja mail & news poruke, zip-uje istartuje zmodem.
Da li moze Eudora144 da sljaka ? Mislim na mail check.
unix.903marcony,
Ako neko poseduje izvorni kod programa za rlogin server na UNIX-u (BSD
, SCO ...) Molim da mi ga prosledi na marcony@sezam.co.yu ili
na marcony@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu. Bilo kakva korisna informacija o tome
gde bih mogao da nadjem izvorni kod je dobrodosla.
Hvala!!!
unix.904postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 17:50:32 GMT
Da li je neko uspeo da na windows-ima podigne X server koji bi radio
preko SLIP/PPP veze?
Ja sam pokusavao da ozivim XWIN-sever i da ga povezem sa Linux-om, ali
bez uspeha. Kada starujem xterm dobijam sledecu poruku:
X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or
internal Xlib length error)
Major opcode of failed request: 72 (X_PutImage)
Serial number of failed request: 15
Current serial number in output stream: 19
Najdalje je otisao gs, koji moze da mi otvori jedan prazan prozor, ali
cim pokusam bilo sta da posaljem, opet dobijem istu poruku. U man
stranama nisam nasao nista sto bi poblize objasnilo ovakve greske.
Takodje, ima li ko neki drugi X server za windows, te ako a ima da li
bi bio voljan da isti podeli sa nama?
Pl poz D
unix.905postmast,
From: malenovi@cview.com (Nik Malenovic)
Subject: Re: za mazoKiste i tako to
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:29:04 GMT
In article <1995Aug27.070927.23181@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
> Koga zanima, moze na Hobbitonu da prati/povuce feed FreeBSD mailing lista
>kao news grupe.
reci ljudima koja je hijerarhija :-)
> Posto sam ovo odradio pod pritiskom (citaj svakodnevnim floodovanjem i
>dosadjivanjem) izvjesnih, desilo se prije linux lista, no sta je tu je :).
>Ovim najavljujem i skoro pustanje ho.linux.* hijerarhije, i mogucnost
>citanja/feedovanja, of kors.
sto se tice ovih muklih i podlih insinuacija :-))))) zelim da kazem da
je moja lichnost apsolutno nevina, i zelim da izjavim izjave :) tipa
"I have no recollection of it" i "I deny any wrong doing" :-)))))
za one koji ne znaju, FreeBSD mejling lista je uglavnom hakerisanje/Qs
i bugs reports (mnogo manje systems implementation discussion), tako
da je korisno za ljude koji koriste (ili planiraju da koriste) FreeBSD
jerbo mogu da vide upfront sta ih sve ceka ;-)
Nik
--
sin.com - Proudly running FreeBSD 2.0.5 486DX2/50 32 Mb RAM 1.5Gb SCSI
Look at what Linux did - it made everyone aware of Unices, but it has put
back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont' ask what
your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke Linux!
unix.906postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Mgetty
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:57:29 GMT
dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
> Nikola Mitrovic (nikola@fon) wrote:
> -> Elem desava mi se interesantna stvar. Kada bootujem linux, agetty ttyS1
> -> (modem) se zaglupi i ne konstatuje modem ni pod razno dok ga ne ubijem. Kada
> -> se respawnuje sve radi ok...(?) ima li neko ideju o cemu se radi...?
>
> Evo ga jedan sa agetty na modemu. :)
>
> Hint: getty, uugetty (oboje getty_ps svita, toplo priporocam) ili mgetty
> (ovoga obozaje alekm).
Mgetty, cuo sam da je dobar. Imam verziju 0.97 ali treba mi pomoc oko
konfigurisanja. Moze li neko da posalje fajlove za to? I kako namestiti da
odgovara na trece zvono.
Dragoljub
unix.907postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:24:13 GMT
Vladimir Maric (vitez.koja@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> #=> 3.1. Sharing swap partitions between Linux and Windows.
-> #=> Tony Acero, ace3@midway.uchicago.edu
-> Zanimljiv clanak, ali ne pomaze :) Jer, covek je trazio nacin da
-> podeli swap FAJL izmedu Linuxa i Windowsa, ne swap PARTICIJU.
Tvoj clanak je odlicna varijacija na temu, sa ogradom da clanak iz HOWTO
pazi na sadrzaj swapa koji se potura u swapon. Zna da bude znacajno, nije
mkswap dzaba obavezan za svaku particiju/file.
unix.908postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: GCC
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:36:30 GMT
Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Kako da u GCCu u Linuxu iskljucim alignment u okviru struktura?
-> Imam jedan program koji zapisuje i cita C strukture u fajl koji
-> treba da bude kompatibilan sa DOSom. Problem je sto Linuxov GCC
-> ubacuje bajtove kako bi polja strukture bile na adresi deljivoj
-> sa 4. E, kako da eliminisem to poravnanje?
Kad instaliras I seriju od slekvera, dobijas i full texinfo manual za GCC.
Posto sam nisam Covac, nisam se previse udubljivao u isti, ali znam da tamo
nabraja sve compiler switceve. Probaj grep align /usr/info/gcc* | less.
-> --
-> http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.909postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: za mazoKiste i tako to
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:55:21 GMT
Nik Malenovic (malenovi@cview.com) wrote:
-> In article <1995Aug27.070927.23181@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
-> Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
-> > Koga zanima, moze na Hobbitonu da prati/povuce feed FreeBSD mailing lista
-> >kao news grupe.
-> reci ljudima koja je hijerarhija :-)
cview.freebsd.* za FreeBSD liste, i ho.linux.* za Linux liste :). Ovim
objavljujem da su i Linux liste zavrsene. Konferencije su setovane kao
moderisane i postovanje ide sa r(eply), i to je by default na posiljaoca
privatno. Ako se zeli da ide i na listu, rucno se ubaci u header Cc: polje i
to recimo ako je u pitanju ho.linux.admin grupa ubaci se
Cc: linux-admin@vger.rutgers.edu
A ako je neka od freebsd grupa, recimo cview.freebsd.bugs, onda
Cc: bugs@freebsd.org
-> za one koji ne znaju, FreeBSD mejling lista je uglavnom hakerisanje/Qs
-> i bugs reports (mnogo manje systems implementation discussion), tako
-> da je korisno za ljude koji koriste (ili planiraju da koriste) FreeBSD
-> jerbo mogu da vide upfront sta ih sve ceka ;-)
Iako FreeBSD ne znam da postoji na YU Internet, prenosim te liste da ljudi
vide da su napravili dobar izbor. :).
UBR, citanjem njihovih lista moze da se vidi i koliko su ignorant. Recimo,
onaj posting o T shirts...
unix.910postmast,
From: peca@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Zoran Kostic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:41:10 GMT
: ali radi: grep '\n' proba.file :), pod uslovom da \n nije
: jedini skup znakova u poslednjem redu fajla.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ..... ...
A zasto to ne sme ?
Zoran
unix.911postmast,
From: root@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Permission denied)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:33:27 GMT
Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Superman (root@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu) pise:
: ^^^^
: Ovo je jako losa praksa! Otvori sebi smrtnicki nalog i radi sve sa njega
: za sta ti Root nije neophodan. Root je iskljucivo za administraciju
: sistema i nikako sa njega ne radi druge stvari a posebno ne razvijaj
: softver (retko treba Root za razvoj). Prosto, pre ili kasnije ces
: orkucati 'rm -rf *' ili nesto slicno i bye, bye baby...
Podesavao sam nesto sa root naloga i usput citao news, inace pri
razvoju softvera ne radim bas cesto rm -rf ;)
unix.912postmast,
From: malenovi@cview.com (Nik Malenovic)
Subject: Re: za mazoKiste i tako to
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:46:38 GMT
In article <1995Aug27.185521.9536@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
> A ako je neka od freebsd grupa, recimo cview.freebsd.bugs, onda
> Cc: bugs@freebsd.org
blah! na ovo cu gledati kao izdajnicki i podmukli napad! :-)
daklem, adrese su freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org
za razliku od Linuxa mi nase bubice prijavljujemo :-)))))))))))))))))))
Nik
P.S.
> Iako FreeBSD ne znam da postoji na YU Internet, prenosim te liste da ljudi
>vide da su napravili dobar izbor. :).
> UBR, citanjem njihovih lista moze da se vidi i koliko su ignorant. Recimo,
>onaj posting o T shirts...
1. FreeBSd ye well and alive na YU internetu (malo i, nije THE Internet,
niti je nacija niti narod niti... :-) G. ZOnjic ce da me podrzi na osnovu
ovoga kaj ne kolega? :-)
2. sto se tice majce - narucujem danas jednu ;) oce jos neko? :) mali
djavolak je PREDIVAN! :)
--
sin.com - Proudly running FreeBSD 2.0.5 486DX2/50 32 Mb RAM 1.5Gb SCSI
Look at what Linux did - it made everyone aware of Unices, but it has put
back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont' ask what
your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke Linux!
unix.913postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: za mazoKiste i tako to
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:06:27 GMT
Nik Malenovic (malenovi@cview.com) wrote:
Glede aliasa za posting u te liste, kod vas ce radi i bugs i freebsd-bugs,
sve dok je drugi dio freebsd.org O:). Stranu na salu, ajde probaj to da
odradis, pa mi javi, da napravimo piko-HOWTO za upotrebu lista gejtvovanih u
grupe.
-> In article <1995Aug27.185521.9536@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
-> Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
-> > Iako FreeBSD ne znam da postoji na YU Internet, prenosim te liste da ljudi
-> >vide da su napravili dobar izbor. :).
-> > UBR, citanjem njihovih lista moze da se vidi i koliko su ignorant. Recimo,
-> >onaj posting o T shirts...
-> 1. FreeBSd ye well and alive na YU internetu (malo i, nije THE Internet,
-> niti je nacija niti narod niti... :-) G. ZOnjic ce da me podrzi na osnovu
-> ovoga kaj ne kolega? :-)
Moguce da ga i on uzgaja u nekom cosku na P9-procesorskoj masini. AFAIK,
on je Linux konvertit. :)
-> 2. sto se tice majce - narucujem danas jednu ;) oce jos neko? :) mali
-> djavolak je PREDIVAN! :)
He, salji mi jednu u onom paketu, broj manju od tvoje :).
unix.914postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Re: unix (CNews)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:26:04 GMT
"Dragoljub Radojevic" <eotek@sezam.UUCP> wrote:
> CNews: renouncing ... nonstandard NEWSPATH, II. deo
>
> Instalirao sam Linux sa Info-magic CD (March'95, Slackware
> 2.2.), pokusavam vec duze vreme da poteram CNews, ali ne mogu da
> post-ujem nijedan news, jer dobijam stalno poruku:
> "newsspool: renouncing setuid due to nonstandard NEWSPATH
> in enviroment".
> Nasao (?) sam i sta je muka (medjusobna inkonzistentnost
> "some of the programs" ??? - vidi dole tekst).
> Pitanja:
> 1. je'l neko sa ovom distribucijom poterao CNews, ako da
> kako.
> 2. u kojoj distribuciji _provereno_ radi CNews ?
>
> Molim za pomoc, prema mogucnostima sto pre, jako mi je
> hitno ...
>
Cini mi se da ima problema sa direktorijima. Sve mora da bude
chown news.news i probaj kao root "ln -s /var/lib/news /usr/lib/".
Ovo nije do kraja uspesna prica, ja nisam uspeo da poteram CNews kako valja,
imam problema sa "sendbatches" stalno javlja u batchlog-u :
Tue Aug 29 11:39:34 1995, sendbatches 536
asa backlog 1 (disk too full for batching)
Tue Aug 29 11:39:42 1995, sendbatches 536
Jos jedno pitanjce hteo bi da neke grupe saljem mailom pa sam stavio
u sys:
vasa:glupa.grupa/all::mail vasa@my.makina
ali ovo neradi?
Mnogo nedoumica sa CNewsom eksperti pomagajte.
Dragoljub
unix.915postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix (CNews)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:28:41 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> >
-> Cini mi se da ima problema sa direktorijima. Sve mora da bude
-> chown news.news i probaj kao root "ln -s /var/lib/news /usr/lib/".
/usr/spool/news treba svi dir da budu news.news, ali ne i sve u
/usr/lib/news (/usr/local/lib/news, zavisno kako su napravili). Najmanje
jedan file je suid root.
-> Ovo nije do kraja uspesna prica, ja nisam uspeo da poteram CNews kako valja,
-> imam problema sa "sendbatches" stalno javlja u batchlog-u :
-> Tue Aug 29 11:39:34 1995, sendbatches 536
-> asa backlog 1 (disk too full for batching)
-> Tue Aug 29 11:39:42 1995, sendbatches 536
Pa fino kaze, disk too full O:). Koliko je free? Jel ima preko 10 Mb?
-> Jos jedno pitanjce hteo bi da neke grupe saljem mailom pa sam stavio
-> u sys:
-> vasa:glupa.grupa/all::mail vasa@my.makina
-> ali ovo neradi?
Postoji problem sa bash, isti ne dozvoljava sintaksu
<fajl mail pera
A ovo je upravo ono sto pokusava CNews. Bilo je price u news.software.b
(news transporti) ali nisam imao strpljenja da je pratim do kraja, tj
rjesenja :). Ako ima zainteresovanih, moze se angazujemo da to
prevazidjemo...
dd
unix.916postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: etc/issue not being recognized
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:22:13 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.config ]
[ Author was Andi Gutmans (andi@actcom.co.il) ]
[ Posted on Mon, 4 Sep 1995 08:46:49 GMT ]
Hi,
yeah I think I was supposed to clarify a bit more. In the /etc/rc.c/rc.S
file you have to comment out a couple of lines which you have done. Now
issue writes what you see on your screen on console and issue.net when in
telnet. Here is my issue.net:
#### ####### ######## #### ########
## ## ## ## ## ## ##
## ## ## ## ## ######
####### ## ## ## ##
## ## ####### ## ## ##
Linux %r (act17.actcom.co.il) (%t) (%m)
Change it as you like. %r is kernel version number %t writes tty %m
writes machine type.
there shouldn't be any problems with this :)
Andi Gutmans
[...]
unix.917postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:02:19 GMT
Srdan Pantic (spantic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> > ps. ima i DOOM za X win.
DOOM za X je star kao... Pojavio se u istoj arhivi kao i DOOM za svgalib.
-> Danas mi je Bdm pokazao sjajnu platformsku, doduse 2D, igru
-> pisanu za Linux i to u Lisp-u. Covek je lepo obavio posao. Na
-> zalost, stradala je istog dana u havariji diska. Rec je o 2 MB
-> koje treba ponovo skinuti od Dragise :(
He, svi su je startovali osim Dragise :)). Prvo, nisam imao misa zbog 4
modema, a sada kad sam skinuo 4 modem, nece da cuje za mene... Moracu pod X
da probam pa cu da prijavim.
Igra je LISP extensible, sto bi se reklo. Shareware ce da bude, i to prvo
pod Linux, kako kaze autor, da bi Linuxovci bili malo ispred svih. Ima
verzije za konzolu i za X, sto je izgleda manija u zadnje vrijeme :).
-> > Naruceno preko kolege u USA za 15$ + 5$ za postarinu.
-> > Adresa je bila okacena ovde na sezamu pre 2-3 meseca.
-> Cekaj, pa to su InfoMagic-ovi diskovi, set od 4 diska?
-> Ako ti nije tesko ponovi adresu i broj pod kojim je narucen.
Infomagic je $25+$5
unix.918postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: PRESS RELEASE: Linux V1.3
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:40:32 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Jeff Newbern ]
[ Posted on 1 Jul 1995 12:33:44 +0300 ]
For Immediate Release
Contact:
Jeff Newbern
jnewbern@mit.edu
1 (617) 225-9612
DEVELOPMENT BEGINS FOR NEXT RELEASE OF
LINUX OPERATING SYSTEM
HELSINKI, Finland -- June, 12, 1995 -- Linus Torvalds today released
Linux V1.3 to the public. The release represents the stabilization of
Linux V1.2 and the initiation of development of the next generation Linux
kernel which will replace Linux V1.2 sometime next year. Linux V1.3 is a
beta development release that introduces many major new features and
performance enhancements. This development cycle will culminate in the
production release of Linux V1.4 sometime next year. Until the release
of Linux V1.4, Linux V1.2 will remain the current production-quality
release.
Linux is the most cost-effective way to turn a PC into a professional
Unix workstation, to set up a system on the Internet, or to provide
a stable low-cost server platform for institutional networks.
Linux is a full-featured UNIX-like operating system for PCs (386 or
higher) built around POSIX standards. Linux supports true multitasking,
32-bit virtual memory, shared libraries and executables, demand paging,
advanced memory management, dynamically linked libraries, TCP/IP
networking, loadable kernel modules, PCI, PC card services, DOS
and SCO/SVR4 compatibility and much, much more.
Features to be introduced in Linux V1.3 include increased portability,
allowing Linux on Alpha procesors to run Digital UNIX binaries; optimized
networking, including IP Multicast support, Streams emulation, and new
UNIX-Domain sockets; multiprocessor support; increased support for
real-time applications and numerous driver updates.
Unique Development Strategy
Linux is free software developed by Linus Torvalds along with an
international development team; it is distributed under the terms of the
GNU General Public License. No licensing fees are required to use Linux,
and the source code is freely available to all developers and users,
which greatly speeds up the pace of development and finds and corrects
problems quickly. This unique development effort has produced a product
that outperforms the multi-million dollar efforts of commercial OS
providers.
Linux development proceeds along two parallel source trees. Linux V1.2
is the latest production-quality release and will remain unchanged except
for necessary bug fixes. Linux V1.3 was released for testing today and
will evolve over the next year to include many new features before being
frozen. After the code freeze, Linux V1.3 will be tested by thousands of
people in many different environments, until it is deemed stable enough
to become the production release of Linux V1.4.
Linux development is headed by a core team of about 10 kernel developers
and 40 driver developers (most of whom have never seen each other!).
About twice each week, they make their current source code available to
the public, allowing literally thousands of people to test the latest
revision and provide immediate feedback. Distribution occurs over the
Internet, reaching a diverse group of testers from around the world.
Linux is probably the largest development project ever accomplished over
the Internet.
This unique development strategy allows Linux to be tested on a wide
variety of hardware and in many different computing environments. Any
problems are found and fixed quickly, often in a matter of days or even
hours, resulting in much faster development and a higher quality product
than could be achieved by a smaller, closed development team.
Linux is available at no cost by anonymous FTP and on many BBSs, and
is sold by several CD-ROM vendors. For more information on Linux,
contact Linux International on the World Wide Web at http://www.linux.org/
or the Linux Publicity Project at http://babar.mit.edu/LPP/LPP.html
=========================================================================
UNIX is a registered trademark in the United States and other countries
of X/Open Company, Ltd.
DEC Alpha and Digital UNIX are registered trademarks in the United States
and other countries of Digital Equipment Corp.
SCO is a trademark of the Santa Cruz Operation.
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anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
unix.919postmast,
From: SETN@f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (SETN)
Subject: Statistics
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:04:00
Maintaned by CONFERENCE STATISTICS SHELL - (c)1995 by Predrag Supurovic
=======================================================================
Conference NET.UNIX maintained on 03.08.95. for 28 days backward.
QRATIO Mail Statistics V1.9 by Act Of Impulse.
----------------------------------------------
Total messages found in this area : 324
Number of messages covered in report: 116
Processed period from: 3-8-1995 to 29-8-1995
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blacklist-Top 5 of the Quoters.
Nr Total Quoted Quote
Name Address Msg Lines Lines: Ratio:
---- ------- --- ----- ------ ------
1. Dragoljub Nekic.......... 38:103/120 3 59 26 44.07%
2. "Vladan Marinkovic"...... 38:103/120 1 7 3 42.86%
3. "Slobodan Marinkovic".... 38:103/120 1 7 3 42.86%
4. Dragisa N. Duric......... 38:103/120 17 285 99 34.74%
5. Dragan Djokic............ 38:103/120 4 81 28 34.57%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the writers.
Total Average Quote
Name Msgs: Pct. Byte/Msg Ratio:
---- ----- ----- -------- ------
1. Igor Loncarevic 18 15.5% 2090 0.12%
2. Dragisa N. Duric 17 14.7% 833 34.74%
3. Zeljko Stevanovic 9 7.8% 723 6.52%
4. Vladislav Bjelic 7 6.0% 714 1.71%
5. Ivan Glisin 5 4.3% 1011 13.83%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 3 of the receivers.
Total
Name Msgs: Pct.
---- ----- -----
1. All 114 98.3%
2. Dragan D. Vecerina 1 0.9%
3. (crosspost 1) All 1 0.9%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 5 of the subjects.
Subject Nr.
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1. unix........................................................ 67
2. COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available............. 8
3. za mazoKiste i tako to...................................... 5
4. Unix_knjiga................................................. 4
5. unix (CNews)................................................ 3
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Average posting frequency per week:
Day Msgs Pct. Graph
Sunday 17 14.7% *******************************
Monday 12 10.3% **********************
Tuesday 27 23.3% **************************************************
Wednesday 12 10.3% **********************
Thursday 10 8.6% ******************
Friday 24 20.7% ********************************************
Saturday 14 12.1% **************************
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Average posting frequency per day:
Interval Msgs Pct. Graph
-------- ---- ----- -----
0:00- 1:59 5 4.3% *********
2:00- 3:59 6 5.2% ***********
4:00- 5:59 5 4.3% *********
6:00- 7:59 7 6.0% *************
8:00- 9:59 7 6.0% *************
10:00-11:59 7 6.0% *************
12:00-13:59 11 9.5% *********************
14:00-15:59 7 6.0% *************
16:00-17:59 12 10.3% ***********************
18:00-19:59 15 12.9% *****************************
20:00-21:59 8 6.9% ***************
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* Origin: Oreska BBS, Uzice = SF BIBLIOTEKA = SETNet: (38:101/101)
unix.920postmast,
From: dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 10:33:00 CET
QWK To: Vladimir Ilic
VI> ps. ima i DOOM za X win.
Pa ima valjda i za konzolu, ne samo za X. bar ja imam...
... Zene se dele na udovice i one koje rade na tome !
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Rolling Stones BBS (2:382/105.5)
unix.921postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: DMSDOS filesystem for Linux released
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:53:09 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Frank Gockel ]
[ Posted on Wed, 23 Aug 95 12:06:20 GMT ]
DMSDOS is an extension for the msdos filesystem. It allows read-only
access to compressed dos 6.x partitions (files dblspace.xxx and
drvspace.xxx).
Alpha versions have been uploaded to sunsite.unc.edu (directory ?, file
dmsdosfs-0.4.x) and ftp.uni-stuttgart.de (directory
/pub/systems/linux/local/systems, file dmsdosfs-0.4.x) where x is the
patchlevel number.
Frank Gockel
gockel@etecs4.uni-duisburg.de
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Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.922postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Hocemo li novu verziju? :) (bjese: 1.3.21: sendmail/uuxqt problems, 'make modules' fail)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:28:04 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
>> Rebooting with 1.3.20 and re-running uuxqt on the same input files
>> deliver them without any problems.
Ali 1.3.20 ima mnogo veci bug....gubljenje /proc fs-a nakon
ulaska u /proc/scsi dir i koristenja ls naredbe:)))
1.3.21 je po mojoj oceni stabilan,jes da ima malih greskica
kod nekih stvari ali je stabilan.
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.923postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: Hocemo li novu verziju? :) (bjese: 1.3.21: sendmail/uuxqt problems, 'make modules' fail)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:01:37 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>> 1.3.21 je po mojoj oceni stabilan,jes da ima malih greskica
>> kod nekih stvari ali je stabilan.
Ah da i zaboravih reci....make modules radi bez imalo vecih problema.
Za one koji ne znaju C verovatno sa vecim problemima..:>>
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.924postmast,
From: nikola@fon (Nikola Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 23:13:27 GMT
Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) rece:
> Ma jasno, nego samo kazem iz tudjih iskustava je bilo cak i toga
> a o 'rm *' u pogresnom direktorijumu da ne govorimo.
ako koristite 'tcsh' mozete koristiti opciju 'rmstar' koja vas na 'rm *'
pita nesto u stilu 'are you sure?'
za neupucene: u vas .tcshrc fajl stavite 'set rmstar'
--
Nikola Mitrovic | e_mail: nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
| nikola@tesla.cview.com
| nikola@eiger.k2.net
unix.925postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: Hocemo li novu verziju? :) (bjese: 1.3.21: sendmail/uuxqt problems, 'make modules' fail)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 04:56:29 GMT
Dragan D. Vecerina (vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> >> Rebooting with 1.3.20 and re-running uuxqt on the same input files
-> >> deliver them without any problems.
->
-> Ali 1.3.20 ima mnogo veci bug....gubljenje /proc fs-a nakon
-> ulaska u /proc/scsi dir i koristenja ls naredbe:)))
-> 1.3.21 je po mojoj oceni stabilan,jes da ima malih greskica
Nebitno je koja je gora, bitno je da su lose. Sam Linus kaze da se to
otprilike sada pocinje polako stabilizovati. Tek pocinje...
unix.926postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Re: unix (CNews)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:47:58 GMT
dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
> Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
> -> >
> -> Cini mi se da ima problema sa direktorijima. Sve mora da bude
> -> chown news.news i probaj kao root "ln -s /var/lib/news /usr/lib/".
>
> /usr/spool/news treba svi dir da budu news.news, ali ne i sve u
> /usr/lib/news (/usr/local/lib/news, zavisno kako su napravili). Najmanje
> jedan file je suid root.
>
> -> Ovo nije do kraja uspesna prica, ja nisam uspeo da poteram CNews kako valja,
> -> imam problema sa "sendbatches" stalno javlja u batchlog-u :
> -> Tue Aug 29 11:39:34 1995, sendbatches 536
> -> asa backlog 1 (disk too full for batching)
> -> Tue Aug 29 11:39:42 1995, sendbatches 536
>
> Pa fino kaze, disk too full O:). Koliko je free? Jel ima preko 10 Mb?
^^^^^^^^^^^
Ovo me je iznenadilo. Zar mu nije bilo dosta 6-7 koliko sam imao
slobodno? Interesantno je da nije islo ni kada sam simbolicki povezao
/var/spool/news sa praznom particijom (posto sam utamanio DOS) od 40M, gde sam
nameravao da smestim News. Stalno odrzavati slobodan prostor na +10M, a to je
10% mog diska, da bi CNews imao komotitet nije bas ekonomicno. Da nisu autori
zaposleni u Conner-u ili Maxtor-u ?
Sada sa 10Mb free CNews radi.
Dragoljub
unix.927postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Re: unix (CNews)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:48:04 GMT
Imao sam problema sa CNews-om pa mi je dragisha odgovorio:
dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
>
> -> Jos jedno pitanjce hteo bi da neke grupe saljem mailom pa sam stavio
> -> u sys:
> -> vasa:glupa.grupa/all::mail vasa@my.makina
> -> ali ovo neradi?
>
> Postoji problem sa bash, isti ne dozvoljava sintaksu
>
> <fajl mail pera
>
> A ovo je upravo ono sto pokusava CNews. Bilo je price u news.software.b
> (news transporti) ali nisam imao strpljenja da je pratim do kraja, tj
> rjesenja :). Ako ima zainteresovanih, moze se angazujemo da to
> prevazidjemo...
>
> dd
Uspeo sam da CNews odnosno sendbatches salje u mail. Stavio sam u
sys:
vasa:yu.os.unix/all:f:
odnosno salji na sistem vasa sve iz grupe yu.os.unix koristeci batch. A u
batchparms:
vasa 10000 10 batcher nocomp viavasa
to kaze salji bez kompresije na sistem vasa pomocu viavasa. I cuveni viavasa
se nalazi u /usr/lib/newsbin/batch kao
-rwxrwxr-x 1 root bin 12 Aug 29 22:40 viavasa i sadrzi:
mail vasa@vasahome.UUCP
Tako vasa dobija u mailu poruke iz grupe yu.os.unix.
Dragoljub
unix.928postmast,
From: bale@cview.com (Aleksandar Bakic)
Subject: Elk 3.0
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:13:16 GMT
This is release 3.0 of Elk, the Extension Language Kit.
What is Elk?
------------
Elk is an implementation of the Scheme programming language.
In contrast to existing, stand-alone Scheme systems Elk has been
designed specifically as an embeddable, reusable extension language
subsystem for applications written in C or C++.
Developers using Elk can deliver applications with different components
written in different languages, such as an efficient core written in
C or C++ and an extensible user interface layer implemented in Scheme.
To help building hybrid application architectures, Elk supports a
tightly-knit interworking of the C/C++ parts of applications with
Scheme code.
Elk is also useful as a stand-alone Scheme implementation, in particular
as a platform for rapid prototyping of X11-based Scheme programs.
The Elk project was started in 1987 to support ISOTEXT, a multimedia
document editor that has been developed at the Technical University of
Berlin. The first freely available version, Elk 1.0, was published in
USENET in September 1989. Since then, Elk has been successfully used as
the extension language framework for numerous applications (commercial
products as well as free software projects).
Getting Elk
-----------
You can obtain the Elk 3.0 distribution as well as additional information
about Elk in the World Wide Web at
http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~net/elk
The distribution is also available for anonymous FTP from a number of
servers including these:
ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/devel_tools/elk-3.0.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.uni-bremen.de/pub/programming/languages/scheme/elk/elk-3.0.tar.gz
What is new in Elk 3.0?
-----------------------
The major improvements in Elk 3.0 are a new Scheme object representation
and a new, completely rewritten C/C++ Programmer's Manual for Elk.
The new object representation has been suggested by Craig McPheeters,
who also contributed an initial set of patches. Its advantages are:
o the heap size is no longer limited (except by the amount of
virtual memory that can be addressed);
o `fixnums' now occupy an entire C int;
o the number of Scheme types is no longer limited to 128
o the new format improves compile-time checking and eases debugging;
o Elk now ports easily to 64-bit platforms such as the DEC/Alpha.
The new C/C++ Programmer's Manual is a complete specification of the
C/C++ interface to Elk; it is intended for authors of extensible,
Elk-based applications and for extension writers. Topics range from
the general architecture of extensible applications and the use of
dynamic loading to advanced techniques such as weak data structures and
cooperation with the garbage collector.
Also new in Elk 3.0 is a POSIX-style regular expression extension.
Elk has been ported to a number of new platforms (among them Linux,
BSD/OS, AIX 4.1, and HP-UX 10.0). A full list of changes is in the
distribution (see the files CHANGES and MIGRATE).
Elk features
------------
o Full incremental, dynamic loading
This facility enables Scheme code to load compiled Scheme extensions
into the running interpreter (or into the application) on demand.
Complex Elk-based applications can be decomposed into dynamically
loadable components to avoid large, monolithic executables.
Furthermore, user-supplied extension need not be written entirely in
Scheme; they may include an efficient, low-level layer written in C
or C++.
Dynamic loading in Elk is supported on many platforms and is not
restricted to a dlopen() interface. Elk provides automatic
initialization of dynamically loaded extensions and takes care of
C++ static constructors/destructors embedded in object files.
o Freezing of fully customized applications into executable files
Elk provides a new Scheme primitive `dump' which freezes the dynamic
runtime image of the Scheme interpreter into an executable file
(including an enclosing application if present). This facility
resembles unexec() in Emacs, but the new executable resumes execution
by returning from the call to `dump' by which that executable was
created (not unlike fork() in UNIX). Dynamic loading and `dump'
increase the usability of Elk as the backbone of complex applications.
o Powerful C/C++ interface for language interoperability
Elk provides for a tight integration of the C/C++ core of applications
(or extensions) with the extension language. Applications can define
their own Scheme primitives (three calling disciplines are supported),
define application-specific first-class Scheme types with customized
print and read functions, convert objects between Scheme types and
C/C++ types in various ways, implement weak data structures, raise
Scheme errors, define Scheme variables and symbols, evaluate
S-expressions encoded as C strings, and utilize the garbage collector.
o Full Scheme bindings for X11 and Motif
Several dynamically loadable extensions provide full Scheme access to
the X11/OpenWindows Xlib, to the application programmer interface of
the Xt intrinsics, and to the Athena and OSF/Motif widget sets.
Using these extensions, the graphical user-interfaces of Elk-based
applications can be built entirely in the extension language.
o UNIX interface
Elk provides Scheme access to most UNIX system calls and common C
library functions. The UNIX extension supports a wide range of
different UNIX platforms without restricting its functionality to the
lowest common denominator or to the POSIX 1003.1 functions.
o Stop-and-copy and generational, incremental garbage collection
Elk employs two garbage collection strategies selectable at compile
time: a traditional stop-and-copy garbage collector and a generational
garbage collector which is more efficient and thus reduces the time the
application is disrupted by a garbage collection. On platforms with
advanced memory management, `incremental' mode can be enabled for the
generational garbage collector to further reduce wait times.
o Non-standard Scheme features
In addition to the standard Scheme core, Elk supports first-class
environments, error handling, provide/require and autoloading,
fluid bindings and dynamic-wind, simple `eval-twice'-style macros,
property lists, string ports and bidirectional ports, shell-style
`tilde expansion' in filenames, an interactive top-level written
in Scheme, a Scheme debugger and a pretty printer, arbitrary length
bitstrings, and Scheme records.
o Comprehensive documentation
The distribution includes 230+ pages of fully indexed documentation.
All manuals exist as troff input files which can be translated to HTML
(with `unroff') for online browsing in addition to producing typeset-
quality printed versions.
o Distributed in legally unencumbered form
The copyright/license agreement permits free redistribution and use
of Elk in commercial products.
Why is Elk using Scheme?
------------------------
As extensions can get as large and complex as freestanding programs,
extension language programmers (usually the users of the application)
deserve the same language features that other programmers are
accustomed to. By using a general-purpose programming language rather
than a specialized scripting language, non-trivial extensions can
benefit from the structuring functionality inherent in real programming
languages (such as Lisp).
Members of the Lisp language family are particularly suitable as an
extension language: Lisp has a simple syntax but powerful semantics,
it allows for small implementations, and its interactive nature
supports rapid prototyping and encourages users to explore and test
solutions to problems in an incremental way.
Consequently, Lisp has become increasingly popular for this purpose, to
the point where the abundance of different dialects has grown into a
problem. Of the standardized dialects of Lisp, only Scheme is suitably
modest, yet sufficiently general, to serve as a reusable extension
language for a wide range of applications. Scheme is orthogonal and
well-defined, and it is small enough to not dominate the application it
serves and to be fully understood with acceptable effort.
[Tcl/Tk moze u kantu --prim. AB]
unix.929postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: kernel 1.3.21
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:36:29 GMT
From: Linus Torvalds
-----------------------------
Hi everybody,
I'm back from the US, and (as expected) found a lot of mail in my
mailbox. I've tried to find all the important patches, and have
integrated them into linux-1.3.21. But if you have sent me a patch and
it hasn't shown up, it may well be that I have simply lost it in the
flood..
Anyway, 1.3.21 does the following:
- slightly better make-rules: it should make corretly even if you have
forgotten to do a "make clean" after changing the kernel configuration.
- "msync()" system call, and better shared memory handling.
- updated and fixed ide driver, the new one also is able to handle the
Triton chipset bus master ide features.
- optcd driver update
- the lp driver de-registers the ports it used when unloaded as a
module.
- /proc/scsi doesn't blow up any more (it doesn't work, but it doesn't
hurt anything else, at least).
- updated ksmbfs filesystem: this one should be faster for large
read/write operations.
- updated networking code.. Some ipv6 defines, but no ipv6
functionality yet.
- fixed arp that didn't work for some addresses.
Please do check this out: I hope the 1.3.x series is starting to
stabilize now. And keep the comments coming,
Linus
Dragan D. Vecerina
unix.930postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Hocemo li novu verziju? :) (bjese: 1.3.21: sendmail/uuxqt problems, 'make modules' fail)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:02:35 GMT
[ Article crossposted from linux-kernel mailing list ]
[ Author was Henrik Storner (storner@osiris.ping.dk) ]
[ Posted on Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:52:12 GMT ]
I'm not sure exactly what is causing this, but since booting up
1.3.21 uuxqt hangs midway through passing mail to sendmail.
Rebooting with 1.3.20 and re-running uuxqt on the same input files
deliver them without any problems.
Taylor-uucp 1.05. Kernel compiled with gcc 2.7.0 (ELF), libc 5.0.9.
Hardware: 486/66 VLB-system, 16 MB RAM, Adaptec 2842.
Also, 'make modules' bomb in optcd.c with 'mem_start' undeclared.
--
Henrik Storner | "Computers are like Old Testament Gods; lots of
storner@osiris.ping.dk | rules and no mercy."
| Joseph Campbell
unix.931postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:07:19 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Da li je neko uspeo da na windows-ima podigne X server koji bi radio
: preko SLIP/PPP veze?
BATALI MS WINDOWS-e to ne sluzi nicemu.
: Takodje, ima li ko neki drugi X server za windows, te ako a ima da li
: bi bio voljan da isti podeli sa nama?
: Pl poz D
Elem postoji XAPPIAL, koji ne radi pod njinjdonjsima ali radi kako
treba. A postoji i DV/X to mi je onaj DESK VIEW /X koji moze da radi
istu stvar samo njega nisam probao.
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
unix.932postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:29:18 GMT
"Aleksandar Nikolajevic" <banga@sezam.UUCP> wrote:
>Da li moze Eudora144 da sljaka ? Mislim na mail check.
Moze, ali sa SLIP/PPP protokolom ili emulacijom istoga.
Pl poz D
unix.933postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:29:30 GMT
arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman) wrote:
>BATALI MS WINDOWS-e to ne sluzi nicemu.
Sluze, ako se dobro postave, i ako se nadje nacin da se znanje
naplati.
>Elem postoji XAPPIAL, koji ne radi pod njinjdonjsima ali radi kako
>treba. A postoji i DV/X to mi je onaj DESK VIEW /X koji moze da radi
>istu stvar samo njega nisam probao.
Ok, dakle pitanje je i dalje otvoreno.
Pl poz D
unix.934postmast,
From: vbjelic@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic)
Subject: Re: unix (CNews)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:29:00 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Ovo nije do kraja uspesna prica, ja nisam uspeo da poteram CNews kako valja,
: imam problema sa "sendbatches" stalno javlja u batchlog-u :
: Tue Aug 29 11:39:34 1995, sendbatches 536
: asa backlog 1 (disk too full for batching)
: Tue Aug 29 11:39:42 1995, sendbatches 536
To je posledica toga sto program "/usr/lib/newsbin/dostatfs" ne
radi uvek OK (recimo kod mene sa UMSDOS-om ne radi ok, uvek vraca
0), a na njega se oslanja skript /usr/lib/newsbin/spacefor koji
se opet koristi u dosta skriptova... Izmedju ostalog koristi ga
i sendbatches. Dakle ja sam taj problem resio ovako:
---
cd /usr/lib/newsbin
mv dostatfs dostatfs.backup
echo "echo 1000000" > dostatfs
chmod a+rx dostatfs
chown root.bin dostatfs
---
sada "dostatfs" vraca da ima dovoljno mesta :), naravno kod mene
stvarno uvek i ima mesta. Posle ovoga te sendbatches vise nece
zezati sa prostorom.
--
http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.935postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:34:52 GMT
Permission denied pise:
>> : Superman (root@vlb.fon.bg.ac.yu) pise:
Permission denied, Superman...xe, xe...
>> Podesavao sam nesto sa root naloga i usput citao news, inace pri
>> razvoju softvera ne radim bas cesto rm -rf ;)
Ma jasno, nego samo kazem iz tudjih iskustava je bilo cak i toga
a o 'rm *' u pogresnom direktorijumu da ne govorimo.
Bio jedan sto je stavio Linux, pa zaboravio gde je (otisao u /)
i zaboravio kako ze zove neki file na "v", pa kazao 'ls v*' i
on mu napise 'vmlinuz' (ili tako nekako). Covek lepo pomisli
"sta ce ovo ovde" i 'rm vmlinuz'. Sve je bilo lepo, dok... ;-)))
Eto, radio kao Root ono sto ne treba... O:-)
unix.936spantic,
> From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
> Infomagic je $25+$5
Da, u pravu si. Firma je Trans-Am.
Upravo čitam da nude novu distribuciju koja uključuje
Slackware 2.3.0.
Elem, šta se više isplati?
unix.937banga,
> Moze, ali sa SLIP/PPP protokolom ili emulacijom istoga.
Mislio sam na twinsock. Kod mailcheck-a mi javlja connection refused
[10061]. Send mail radi normalno.
unix.938eotek,
> Cini mi se da ima problema sa direktorijima. Sve mora da bude
> chown news.news i probaj kao root "ln -s /var/lib/news
> /usr/lib/".
Tnx, ali to sam uradio jos na pocetku :(.
Sve u svemu, presao sam na INN i radi kako treba.
unix.939zoranv,
Instalirao sam LINUX na masinu. Imam sledeci problem: iz nepoznatih razloga
ne mogu da startujem programe koji rade u grafickom rezimu (setup ili pkgtool).
Inace to ne radi ni posle instalacije. Kada se butuje sa boot+root diskete i
startuje setup sve je OK. Posto se zavrsi setup, i dalje je sve OK. Kada se
rebootuje ne radi.
Zoran Verovski
unix.940postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:50:52 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman) wrote:
: >BATALI MS WINDOWS-e to ne sluzi nicemu.
: Sluze, ako se dobro postave, i ako se nadje nacin da se znanje
: naplati.
Iskreno, vise volim da naplacijem znanje programiranja za UNIX i
XWINDOW nego da se maltretiram sa NjINDONjS-om i ubedjujem ljude
da ce to da radi kako treba, pa dobro malo je sporo ali ako uzmete
jos mali RAM-a ... Mislim mogo bih ja njih i da ubedim ali ne mogu
sebe, to je problem. Poceo sam sad da pisem neka s...a za WIN u
BC-u i iskreno mislim da sve to nema nikakve svrhe. I dalje se previse
vremena gubi na kontrolu stvari koje ne bi trebale biti nas problem.
Ako je neko programirao nekad za XW bice mu jasno o cemu pricam.
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
unix.941postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE: Linux V1.3
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:14:14 GMT
Igor Loncarevic (anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
-> [ Author was Jeff Newbern ]
-> [ Posted on 1 Jul 1995 12:33:44 +0300 ]
-> For Immediate Release
-> Contact:
-> Jeff Newbern
-> jnewbern@mit.edu
-> 1 (617) 225-9612
-> DEVELOPMENT BEGINS FOR NEXT RELEASE OF
-> LINUX OPERATING SYSTEM
-> HELSINKI, Finland -- June, 12, 1995 -- Linus Torvalds today released
Svaka cast sadrzaju, naravno, ali Linux press releases su cist vic.
Vrlo su 'for immediate release'... Dok se braca dogovore na linux-kernel
listi prodje barem mjesec dana... :)
dd
unix.942postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 08:40:30 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Ok, dakle pitanje je i dalje otvoreno.
Chamelenon?
unix.943postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 08:45:28 GMT
Bogdan Kecman (arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> : arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman) wrote:
-> : >BATALI MS WINDOWS-e to ne sluzi nicemu.
-> : Sluze, ako se dobro postave, i ako se nadje nacin da se znanje
-> : naplati.
-> Iskreno, vise volim da naplacijem znanje programiranja za UNIX i
-> XWINDOW nego da se maltretiram sa NjINDONjS-om i ubedjujem ljude
-> da ce to da radi kako treba, pa dobro malo je sporo ali ako uzmete
-> jos mali RAM-a ... Mislim mogo bih ja njih i da ubedim ali ne mogu
I ja, ali ne vidim nista lose u njegovom biznisu. Ionako je vecini
korisnika apsolutno nemoguce dokazati da je u njihovom interesu da batale
Windows, ponekad... Ima Windows i imace svoje korisnike, ljude kojima je on
preduslov za upotrebu racunara i koji ne zele da zamaraju mozak ni grama
vise nego sto moraju.
-> sebe, to je problem. Poceo sam sad da pisem neka s...a za WIN u
-> BC-u i iskreno mislim da sve to nema nikakve svrhe. I dalje se previse
-> vremena gubi na kontrolu stvari koje ne bi trebale biti nas problem.
-> Ako je neko programirao nekad za XW bice mu jasno o cemu pricam.
Hehe, da budem ja malo zloban? Ili ne? Ili...
Kako rjesavas multithreadinge sa X aplikacijama? I koliko efikasno/pametno
(ovo cu ti vjerujem na rijec sta god odgovoris:))
Trestle rulez! Modula-3 toolkit za X programiranje, OO, multithread, reentrant
i ostalo sto treba...
unix.944postmast,
From: bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU (Misa Trivkovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 10:53:37 GMT
To spantic@sezam.UUCP:
## Danas mi je Bdm pokazao sjajnu platformsku, doduse 2D, igru
## pisanu za Linux i to u Lisp-u. Covek je lepo obavio posao. Na
## zalost, stradala je istog dana u havariji diska. Rec je o 2 MB
## koje treba ponovo skinuti od Dragise :(
Prijatelju, havarija ufiksana, abuse je sacuvan, so kome treba u BG-u,
nek se javi... :)
bdm@hobbiton.co.yu
unix.945postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:00:52 GMT
dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
> Chamelenon?
Imma Chameleon Sampler, verziju bez podrske za Xwin.
Inace, Xwin radio provereno na mrezi gde je TCP podignut iznad mreznog
protokola, ali nesto zafrkava ako radi preko SLIP-a.
Pl poz D
unix.946postmast,
From: acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Lazarevic)
Subject: svgalib
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:45:16 GMT
Ko bi od starijih Linux-ovaca moga da izbaja verziju svgalib-a iz one
prastare Slackware distribucije (dal 1.1 il 1.2) ili bar da mi kaze
koja je to verzija ???
Zasto mi bas ona treba?
Pa mozda zato sto mi sadasnja ne radi i posle nekoliko kompajliranja
i fidlovanja :(((
Ako ne nabavim staru verziju bice ovde gusenja oko svgalib-a ;)))
AcaL
P.S. Znam da nema nikakve veze ali sam bajni XWindows namestio za 15 min.
a akam se sa ovim trivijalama :)
unix.947postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:42:37 GMT
Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
-> > Chamelenon?
-> Imma Chameleon Sampler, verziju bez podrske za Xwin.
-> Inace, Xwin radio provereno na mrezi gde je TCP podignut iznad mreznog
-> protokola, ali nesto zafrkava ako radi preko SLIP-a.
Imam ja neki 8Mb Chamalenon.tar.gz, pa cu probam i javim, cim stignem.
Podrzava sve zivo, PPP/SLIP/ISDN/eth........
unix.948postmast,
From: spale@fon (Spasic Dragan student FON)
Subject: tin
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:19:44 GMT
Da li neko zna kako da povecam broj linija na tin-u (mislam sa 25 ili vec
koliko je na vise)
spale
unix.949postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: svgalib
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:57:33 GMT
Aleksandar Lazarevic (acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Ko bi od starijih Linux-ovaca moga da izbaja verziju svgalib-a iz one
-> prastare Slackware distribucije (dal 1.1 il 1.2) ili bar da mi kaze
-> koja je to verzija ???
Ne znam koja je, ja jos cuvam onaj prvi Slackware koji sam dovukao na
traci, ali...
-> Zasto mi bas ona treba?
-> Pa mozda zato sto mi sadasnja ne radi i posle nekoliko kompajliranja
-> i fidlovanja :(((
Imas kod mene binary najnovijeg svgalib koji provjereno radi. Uzmi ga, i
ako ti i dalje ne radi, trazi drugdje problem, on sigurno nije u 'losem'
svgalib.
-> P.S. Znam da nema nikakve veze ali sam bajni XWindows namestio za 15 min.
-> a akam se sa ovim trivijalama :)
Hehe, X ima Config-urator sada, nije to X iz onih vremena :))
unix.950vitez.koja,
#=> Instalirao sam LINUX na masinu. Imam sledeci problem: iz
#=> nepoznatih razloga ne mogu da startujem programe koji
#=> rade u grafickom rezimu (setup ili pkgtool). Inace to ne
#=> radi ni posle instalacije. Kada se butuje sa boot+root
#=> diskete i startuje setup sve je OK. Posto se zavrsi
#=> setup, i dalje je sve OK. Kada se rebootuje ne radi.
Gadna stvar :( (btw. to nije grafički režim). To se isto i meni
dešava :( i u čemu je stvar ne znam, ali se može izbeći. Startuj
neki dijalog, i posle toga će sve da radi kako valja (?!). Ja to
rešavam tako što pročitam neki dijalog iz fajla (npr. INSfd) i
otkucam ga u komandnom promptu (zapravo, selektujem ga mišem:).
Posle toga setup radi.
unix.951ilazarevic,
> Gadna stvar :( (btw. to nije grafički režim). To se isto i meni
> dešava :( i u čemu je stvar ne znam, ali se može izbeći. Startuj
Kod mene radi :) Kako, ne znam, ali radi :)
unix.952postmast,
From: zoranp@fon (Zoran Petrovic)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:40:17 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
> Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
> -> dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
> -> > Chamelenon?
> -> Imma Chameleon Sampler, verziju bez podrske za Xwin.
> -> Inace, Xwin radio provereno na mrezi gde je TCP podignut iznad mreznog
> -> protokola, ali nesto zafrkava ako radi preko SLIP-a.
> Imam ja neki 8Mb Chamalenon.tar.gz, pa cu probam i javim, cim stignem.
> Podrzava sve zivo, PPP/SLIP/ISDN/eth........
Da budemo precizni treba naci Chameleon X. Prevedeno sadrzi u sebi paket
PC Xware ( tekuca verzija je 2.0 32-bitna ). Podrazumeva se i tekuca
verzija Chameleon-a - 4.5 . Uz malo starije verzije 4.0 i 4.1 isla
je i starija verzija PC Xware.
Druga mogucnost je Hummingbird ali je sporiji.
Treca mogucnost je Reflection X od WRQ, daju evaluation copy
ako uspes da ih ubedis preko telefona za Evropy +31-70-375-1100 .
Kako su svi u fazonu sa Windows 95. Ova zadnja firma obecava pravi
32-bitni X Windows ( pod Windows 95 i Windows NT ) dva meseca posle
pojave Windows 95-ce. Zasto pominjem ovu zadnju firmu ?. Ona je
naime kupila licencu od Tektranix-a ( jedan od najvecih proizvodjaca
X terminala ) da u svom proizvodu koristi njihovu tehnologiju za
optimizaciju rada X terminala preko serijske veze. Da su ozbiljna
firma vidi se po tome da imaju podrsku i za dial veze preko
mobilne telefonije.
Programe koji rade emulaciju X terminala najbolje rade firme koje
prave X terminale. Naime PC Xware proizvodi firma NCD. Uz njihov
proizvod isporucuju i 32-bitni VxD TCP/IP stack.
Zasto je vazno koristiti VxD TCP/IP. Jednostavno, sa DLL programima
ala Chameleon, mount-ujte neki drive ( NFS-om ) iz Windowsa. Predjite
u MS-DOS prozor i eto belaja- NECE MOCI. Tako nesto moze samo sa VxD
implementacijama TCP/IP ( Beame & Whiteside NFS, ili PC-NFS Pro
i slicni.
--
Izvinjavam se na duzini poruke !
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zoran V. Petrovic IRITEL zoranp@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
epetrovi@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.953postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Gopher & ftp
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:56:52 GMT
Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
Dragoljub
unix.954postmast,
From: malenovi@cview.com (Nik Malenovic)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:04:26 GMT
In article <1995Sep10.124237.27094@hobbiton.CO.YU>,
Dragisa N. Duric <dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU> wrote:
>Drazen Pantic (drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
>-> dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote:
>-> > Chamelenon?
>-> Imma Chameleon Sampler, verziju bez podrske za Xwin.
>-> Inace, Xwin radio provereno na mrezi gde je TCP podignut iznad mreznog
>-> protokola, ali nesto zafrkava ako radi preko SLIP-a.
> Imam ja neki 8Mb Chamalenon.tar.gz, pa cu probam i javim, cim stignem.
>Podrzava sve zivo, PPP/SLIP/ISDN/eth........
na zalost ne podrzava NFS i X - pardon greska - podrzava ga Netmanage
software ali ne i ta verzija koju imas (imamo ;-). daklem, NFS client/server
je available za neku paru, isto tako i sa Xom. nazalost neznam sta od Xa
ulazi u cenu :( samo sve da bi kupio - tcp/ip, aplikacije, NFS cli/serv
i X - treba ti oko 1500$ po macihni - ne mozes da koristis istu licencu
za vise od jedne machine na mrezi (ethernet i slicno).
inace Chameleon je strasan. doduse meni ne treba NFS i ne treba mi X,
tako da bez toga je superioran bilo kom drugom produktu. samo kad
bi izbacili bolji web surfer :)
Nik
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back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont' ask what
your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke Linux!
unix.955postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: xmsdos-0.1.6, a VFAT filesystem for Linux
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:02:14 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Gordon Chaffee ]
[ Posted on Sun, 10 Sep 95 13:54:35 GMT ]
Release: xmsdos 0.1.6
This is an alpha release of xmsdos, a VFAT filesystem that
can handle Windows 95 and Windows NT long filenames. Be warned, it may do
irrepairable damage to your directories and your disk. Most likely, it
won't. If you mount the filesystems as read-only, you shouldn't have
anything to worry about. It was tested on Linux 1.3.x and Windows NT 3.5.
It does not work on NTFS partitions.
Where to get:
mm-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/multimedia/linux/xmsdos/xmsdos-0.1.6.tgz
How to use:
Until the system is stable, the filesystem is called xmsdos.
When the filesystem is stable, I would hope that it may replace the
msdos filesystem. In order for that to happen, quite a bit more work
and integration needs to occur.
To load the filesystem:
insmod xmsdos.o
To mount a floppy:
mount -t xmsdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
Things to note:
If you use non-ASCII characters on Windows NT in a filename, you
will be unable to retrieve that file. Right now, this has not been
tested at all, so the results are unpredictable.
The makefile has -CCONFIG_MODVERSIONS turned on. If your kernel
is built without this on, you'll need to remove this from the Makefile.
If you find bugs, please send mail to chaffee@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu.
Please specify the filename and the operation that gave you trouble.
Acknowledgements:
Thanks to Galen C. Hunt <gchunt@cs.rochester.edu> for the very useful
information he provided on creating the short filename checksum and the
structure of the long filenames.
Thanks to Michael R. Gile <gilem@rpi.edu> for his information about
the case bits for the DOS filename entry and his excellent bug reports.
Thanks to Gilles Vollant <100144.2636@compuserve.com> for telling me
what was broken in the 1.3.x kernels. Gilles wrote doslfn, a package
with the same functionality as xmsdos. We intend to work together to
create an excellent combined package.
Thanks to Steve Searle <steve@mgu.bath.ac.uk> for finding a bunch of
problems with certain filenames under Windows 95. He provided fixes
and changes to the filesystem to make it work much more like the
Windows 95 implementation.
Additional thanks to Alain Knaff <Alain.Knaff@imag.fr> and
David C. Niemi <niemidc@clark.net> for comments in email discussions.
Gordon Chaffee
chaffee@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu
--
Send comp.os.linux.announce submissions to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov
PLEASE remember a short description of the software.
--
-+-
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anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
unix.956postmast,
From: andrija@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Andrija Ifkovic)
Subject: Re: Elk 3.0
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:46:26 GMT
: [Tcl/Tk moze u kantu --prim. AB]
Bale, posto znam da nemas obicaj da hvalis u prazno, molio bih te
da malo obrazlozis zasto Tcl/Tk moze u kantu. To me prilicno zanima, jer
vec oko pola godine vrlo intenzivno koristim Tcl/Tk na poslu, iskljucivo
iz potrebe da na jednostavan i brz nacin kreiram GUI. Prvo sam hteo da
programiram direktno u C-u i koristim Xt i Motif, ali nisam imao nikakvu
literaturu, a i da jesam, ucenju bi trebalo posvetiti MNOGO vremena,
zivaca, a svaka izmena bi zahteva cc/ld struganje diska. Istina, video
sam nekoliko programa za "fast prototyping" koji bi resili mnoge probleme,
ali i dalje stoji potreba za pristojnim znanjem X-programiranja. Na
Tcl/Tk sam naleteo SASVIM slucajno, dok sam surfovao po Internetu, i ono
sto mi se mnogo svidelo je izuzetno lako povezivanje sa C kodom (bar za
ono sto je meni trebalo) i jednostavno i brzo kreiranje GUI-ja.
Istina, dodao sam nekoliko ekstenzija, provenstveno sa ciljem da
omogucim sebi vecu slobodu u kreiranju grafickog interfejsa i veci
izbor "widgeta". Glavna mana Tcl/Tk je sporost, koja zaista ume da
smeta. To se ne da uociti pri radu na "otvorenom" prozoru, vec pre
svega dok se program priprema da otvori novi prozor, pogotovo
ako je taj prozor komplikovan. Dakle, nije spor Tk toolkit, koji
inace moze da se koristi i direktno iz C-a i koji je direktna
nadgradnja na osnovni X11, vec sam Tcl scripting language, koji
je po brzini na dnu liste interpretativnih jezika, koliko sam imao
prilike da vidim neke testove. Verujem da je tvoj komentar
prvenstveno usmeren na samu konstrukciju i implementaciju Tcl-a,
a ne toliko na kvalitet grafickog okruzenja koje pruza Tk, pa
ni na lakocu povezivanja sa C-om.
Naravno, moj program je skoro gotov i tu nema govora o promeni jezika,
ali za buduce projekte (if any), nije iskljuceno...
Pozdrav,
Andrija Ivkovic.
unix.957postmast,
From: bale@cview.com (Aleksandar Bakic)
Subject: Re: tin
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:24:18 GMT
Spasic Dragan student FON (spale@fon) wrote:
: Da li neko zna kako da povecam broj linija na tin-u (mislam sa 25 ili vec
: koliko je na vise)
: spale
Namesti bolje term/TERM odnosno LINES (mada ne bi moralo) promenljivu.
Poz,
Bale
unix.958postmast,
From: eotek@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Radojevic)
Subject: Re: Gopher & ftp
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:22:22 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
: gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
: Dragoljub
ln -s /home/ftp/pub /home/gopher/data/pub
ili kako su vec dirovi rasporedjeni :)
unix.959postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Gopher & ftp
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:20:54 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) :
>> Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
>> gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
Prosto. Kreiraj link na pub direktorijum. Na
primer ovako:
ln -s /home/ftp/pub "Anonymous FTP"
Kvaka 22 je u tome da onda gopher server moras
da startujes sa -c opcijom, sto znaci da ne radis
chroot pre nego sto udjes u gopher dir.
Nadam se da je jasno...
--
Miroslav R. Hristodulo
<miroslav@yucca.co.yu>
unix.960postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: UUCP 1.06.1
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 06:45:03 GMT
[ Article crossposted from gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.mail.uucp ]
[ Author was Ian Lance Taylor (ian@airs.com) ]
[ Posted on Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:13:11 -0400 ]
UUCP 1.06 unfortunately had a serious bug, so I have decided to
release version 1.06.1. I urge everybody who has already picked up
1.06 to upgrade to 1.06.1. The diffs from 1.06 are small, so I have
included them in this message (they are also available from prep).
The complete 1.06.1 tar distribution is available from
prep.ai.mit.edu, and all the usual mirror sites. I apologize for any
inconvenience.
--
Ian Taylor | ian@airs.com | First to identify quote wins free e-mail message:
``[I]n Paris, for example, in 1660 there were 103 holidays in the year.''
diff -ur uucp-1.06/ChangeLog uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog
--- uucp-1.06/ChangeLog Thu Aug 10 23:35:01 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog Sun Aug 20 15:29:15 1995
@@ -1,3 +1,33 @@
+Sun Aug 20 15:12:36 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * Released version 1.06.1.
+
+ * uux.c (main): Make sure that the grade is between '0' and '9',
+ or 'a' and 'z', or 'A' and 'Z', in case isalnum accepts other
+ characters.
+ * uucp.c (main): Likewise.
+
+Sat Aug 19 23:15:21 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * configure.in: Check for seteuid.
+ * configure: Rebuild.
+ * config.h.in (HAVE_SETEUID): Define.
+ * unix/uid.c: If HAVE_SETEUID is defined, use seteuid rather than
+ setuid.
+ * policy.h: Change HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID comment to mention that it
+ does not work on 4.4BSD-Lite and NetBSD.
+
+ * Andrey A. Chernov: uuconf.h (UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL): Use BUCHAR.
+
+Wed Aug 16 21:23:39 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * uucico.c (flogin_prompt): Add pzsystem parameter, and pass it to
+ faccept_call. Change all callers.
+
+ * trans.c (qtransalc): Clear zlog field.
+
+ * Makefile.in (VERSION): Change to 1.06.1.
+
Thu Aug 10 22:42:53 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
* Released version 1.06.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/Makefile.in uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in
--- uucp-1.06/Makefile.in Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
SHELL = /bin/sh
-VERSION = 1.06
+VERSION = 1.06.1
MORECFLAGS = -I. -I$(srcdir) -DOWNER=\"$(owner)\" -DVERSION=\"$(VERSION)\" $(UUDIRFLAGS)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/config.h.in uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in
--- uucp-1.06/config.h.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:47 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:21 1995
@@ -230,6 +230,7 @@
#define HAVE_WAIT4 0
#define HAVE_GLOB 0
#define HAVE_SETREUID 0
+#define HAVE_SETEUID 0
/* There are several functions which are replaced in the subdirectory
lib. If they are missing, the configure script will automatically
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure.in uucp-1.06.1/configure.in
--- uucp-1.06/configure.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:48 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:22 1995
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
dnl This should be processed with autoconf to produce a configure script.
dnl Copyright (c) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Ian Lance Taylor
dnl
-AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel $])
+AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel $])
AC_INIT(policy.h)
AC_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)
AC_PREFIX_PROGRAM(gcc)
@@ -295,7 +295,7 @@
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(remove ftruncate ltrunc rename opendir dup2 waitpid wait4)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigsetjmp setret sigaction sigvec sigset)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigprocmask sigblock sighold getdtablesize sysconf)
-AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname)
+AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(gettimeofday ftw glob dev_info)
dnl Check for getline, but not in -linet, since ISC has an
dnl incompatible version there.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure uucp-1.06.1/configure
--- uucp-1.06/configure Wed Aug 9 21:01:30 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure Sun Aug 20 15:32:04 1995
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
#! /bin/sh
-# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel
+# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel
# Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles.
# Generated automatically using autoconf version 2.4
# Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
@@ -2606,7 +2606,7 @@
fi
done
-for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname
+for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname
do
echo $ac_n "checking for $ac_func""... $ac_c" 1>&6
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_func_$ac_func'+set}'`\" = set"; then
diff -ur uucp-1.06/policy.h uucp-1.06.1/policy.h
--- uucp-1.06/policy.h Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/policy.h Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -205,14 +205,14 @@
other than the uucp user uses it. */
#define HAVE_SAVED_SETUID 1
-/* On some systems, such as the DG Aviion and, possibly, the RS/6000,
- the setreuid function is broken. It should be possible to use
- setreuid to swap the real and effective user ID's, but on some
- systems it will not change the real user ID (I believe this is due
- to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On such a system you must
- set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do not, you will get error
- messages from setreuid. Systems on which setreuid exists but is
- broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
+/* On some systems, such as 4.4BSD-Lite, NetBSD, the DG Aviion and,
+ possibly, the RS/6000, the setreuid function is broken. It should
+ be possible to use setreuid to swap the real and effective user
+ ID's, but on some systems it will not change the real user ID (I
+ believe this is due to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On
+ such a system you must set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do
+ not, you will get error messages from setreuid. Systems on which
+ setreuid exists but is broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
#define HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID 0
/* On a few systems, such as NextStep 3.3, the POSIX macro F_SETLKW is
diff -ur uucp-1.06/trans.c uucp-1.06.1/trans.c
--- uucp-1.06/trans.c Thu Aug 10 22:46:40 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/trans.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:39 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.40 1995/08/11 02:43:32 ian Rel $";
+const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.41 1995/08/17 01:25:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <errno.h>
@@ -381,6 +381,7 @@
q->s.znotify = NULL;
q->s.zcmd = NULL;
}
+ q->zlog = NULL;
q->isecs = 0;
q->imicros = 0;
q->cbytes = 0;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c
--- uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c Wed Aug 9 21:00:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c Sun Aug 20 15:30:48 1995
@@ -29,6 +29,13 @@
#include "sysdep.h"
#include <errno.h>
+
+/* NetBSD apparently does not support setuid as required by POSIX when
+ using saved setuid, so use seteuid instead. */
+
+#if HAVE_SETEUID
+#define setuid seteuid
+#endif
/* Switch to permissions of the invoking user. */
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucico.c uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucico.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:43 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.190 1995/06/29 19:35:59 ian Rel $";
+const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.192 1995/08/17 02:03:35 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@
static int iuport_lock P((struct uuconf_port *qport, pointer pinfo));
static boolean flogin_prompt P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, struct sconnection *qconn,
- const char *zlogin));
+ const char *zlogin, const char **pzsystem));
static int icallin_cmp P((int iwhich, pointer pinfo, const char *zfile));
static boolean faccept_call P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, const char *zlogin,
@@ -693,7 +693,8 @@
{
while (! FGOT_SIGNAL ()
&& flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- (const char *) NULL))
+ (const char *) NULL,
+ (const char **) NULL))
{
/* Close and reopen the port in between calls. */
if (! fconn_close (&sconn, puuconf,
@@ -708,7 +709,7 @@
{
if (flogin)
fret = flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- zlogin);
+ zlogin, &zsystem);
else
{
#if DEBUG > 1
@@ -1708,12 +1709,13 @@
/* Prompt for a login name and a password, and run as the slave. */
static boolean
-flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin)
+flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin, pzsystem)
pointer puuconf;
const char *zconfig;
boolean fuuxqt;
struct sconnection *qconn;
const char *zlogin;
+ const char **pzsystem;
{
int iuuconf;
int istrip;
@@ -1722,6 +1724,9 @@
boolean fret;
struct scallin_info s;
+ if (pzsystem != NULL)
+ *pzsystem = NULL;
+
DEBUG_MESSAGE0 (DEBUG_HANDSHAKE, "flogin_prompt: Waiting for login");
iuuconf = uuconf_strip (puuconf, &istrip);
@@ -1790,8 +1795,7 @@
#if DEBUG > 1
iholddebug = iDebug;
#endif
- (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn,
- (const char **) NULL);
+ (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn, pzsystem);
#if DEBUG > 1
iDebug = iholddebug;
#endif
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uuconf.h uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h
--- uucp-1.06/uuconf.h Wed Aug 9 20:59:10 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h Sun Aug 20 15:29:44 1995
@@ -563,7 +563,7 @@
#define UUCONF_GRADE_LOW ('z')
/* Whether a character is a legal grade (requires <ctype.h>). */
-#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum ((unsigned) (b)))
+#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum (BUCHAR (b)))
/* Return < 0 if the first grade should be done before the second
grade, == 0 if they are the same, or > 0 if the first grade should
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.c uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:46 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.63 1995/08/02 01:22:53 ian Rel $";
+const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.64 1995/08/20 19:21:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -277,7 +277,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade)
+ || ((bCgrade < '0' || bCgrade > '9')
+ && (bCgrade < 'a' || bCgrade > 'z')
+ && (bCgrade < 'A' || bCgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bCgrade = BDEFAULT_UUCP_GRADE;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.texi uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.texi Wed Aug 9 20:59:16 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi Sun Aug 20 15:29:51 1995
@@ -5649,8 +5649,8 @@
Approved: news-answers-request@@MIT.Edu
Archive-name: uucp-internals
-Version: $Revision: 1.108 $
-Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/02 01:35:25 $
+Version: $Revision: 1.109 $
+Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/20 03:32:59 $
@end format
@end ifset
@@ -8288,6 +8288,7 @@
@code{tbr@@tfic.bc.ca} (Tom Rushworth)
@code{jsacco@@ssl.com} (Joseph E. Sacco)
@code{rsalz@@bbn.com} (Rich Salz)
+Curt Sampson @code{<curt@@portal.ca>}
@code{sojurn!mike@@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu} (Mike Sangrey)
Nickolay Saukh @code{<nms@@ussr.EU.net>}
@code{heiko@@lotte.sax.de} (Heiko Schlittermann)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uux.c uucp-1.06.1/uux.c
--- uucp-1.06/uux.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:22 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uux.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:57 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.81 1995/08/02 01:25:17 ian Rel $";
+const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.82 1995/08/20 19:21:42 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include "uudefs.h"
@@ -336,7 +336,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade)
+ || ((bXgrade < '0' || bXgrade > '9')
+ && (bXgrade < 'a' || bXgrade > 'z')
+ && (bXgrade < 'A' || bXgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bXgrade = BDEFAULT_UUX_GRADE;
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unix.961postmast,
From: sale@caa.co.yu (Aleksandar Olujic)
Subject: Re: X & winsocka : moze li?
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:21:09 GMT
Nik Malenovic (malenovi@cview.com) wrote:
: > Imam ja neki 8Mb Chamalenon.tar.gz, pa cu probam i javim, cim stignem.
: >Podrzava sve zivo, PPP/SLIP/ISDN/eth........
: na zalost ne podrzava NFS i X - pardon greska - podrzava ga Netmanage
: software ali ne i ta verzija koju imas (imamo ;-). daklem, NFS client/server
: je available za neku paru, isto tako i sa Xom. nazalost neznam sta od Xa
: ulazi u cenu :( samo sve da bi kupio - tcp/ip, aplikacije, NFS cli/serv
: i X - treba ti oko 1500$ po macihni - ne mozes da koristis istu licencu
: za vise od jedne machine na mrezi (ethernet i slicno).
na ethernetu moze da radi vise nfs klijenta i sa jednom kopijom
nfs paketa, ako ostalim klonovima (klijentima) malo promjenis DNK ;)
sale
unix.962postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:08:21 GMT
"Aleksandar Nikolajevic" <banga@sezam.UUCP> wrote:
>> Moze, ali sa SLIP/PPP protokolom ili emulacijom istoga.
>Mislio sam na twinsock. Kod mailcheck-a mi javlja connection refused
>[10061]. Send mail radi normalno.
U [Configurations] sekciju fajla eudora.ini dodaj liniju
POPPort=109
i sve ce biti OK.
Pl poz D
unix.963postmast,
From: malenovi@cview.com (Nik Malenovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:10:40 GMT
In article <sezam$unix:01.054.2902@sezam>,
Milan Markovic <marcony@sezam.UUCP> wrote:
>Ako neko poseduje izvorni kod programa za rlogin server na UNIX-u (BSD
>, SCO ...) Molim da mi ga prosledi na marcony@sezam.co.yu ili
>na marcony@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu. Bilo kakva korisna informacija o tome
>gde bih mogao da nadjem izvorni kod je dobrodosla.
>Hvala!!!
uh evo ga jos jedan novi haker ;-) dobro nisi pitao "jeli kako se registruje
time stamp na tcp/ip paketima" ;-) da bar znamo odma sta ti treba :-))))))
salu na stranu - uzmes lepo Linux ili FreeBSD od nekoga, i ako je
freebsd pogledas /usr/src/usr.bin/rlogin/* i sredis celu stvar.
Nik
--
sin.com - Proudly running FreeBSD 2.0.5 486DX2/50 32 Mb RAM 1.5Gb SCSI
Look at what Linux did - it made everyone aware of Unices, but it has put
back the development of Unix-based OS for decades to come. Dont' ask what
your PC can do for you, but what you can do for your PC - nuke Linux!
unix.964sir.oracle,
Postavljam ovo pitanje svima koji poznaju sledecu problematiku, a pre svega
Payi (Pekovicu) i Zarku (Berberskom):
Posto sam odustovao od mount-ovanja ne-scsi cdroma i konfigurisao adapec 2940
sa toshibom 3501(4x) i uspesno pristupio cd-u i ISO9660 formatu na kojem se
nalaze sco unix programi pojavio se sledeci problem:
Fajlovi su svi u uppercase-u a fajlovi bez ekstenzije (programi i shell
skripte) imaju sufiks . npr make izgleda ovako: MAKE. (ova tacka je deo imena)
E sad, ja bih i mogao da startujem program sa npr /cd/BIN/MAKE. da programi
koji su na cd-u koriste datoteke koje su na cd-u i koje su takodje u
uppercase-u i stalno javlja da ih ne moze naci. Kada se sve prekopira na hard i
prebaci u lower case. Problem je sto ima puno megabajta doticnih fajlova.
PRETPOSTAVLJAM DA NISAM KOREKTNO MOUNT-ovao CD U ISO9660 FORMATU.
DA LI NEKO ZNA KAKO SE TO RADI (KOJE KOMANDE, PARAMETRI, FILESISTEM ?) U CILJU
DOBIJANJA SVIH FILEOVA U LOWER CASE-u.
F1 :)
unix.965banga,
> U [Configurations] sekciju fajla eudora.ini dodaj liniju
> POPPort=109
> i sve ce biti OK.
> Pl poz D
Hvala ti, ali proradilo je sa default POPPortom 110, kad su na osmehu
instalirali POP3 server :)
Na telekom.etf to jos uvek ne radi ni sa 109 ni sa 110 :(
Nadam se da neko sa TELEKOM-a cita ovo.
^^^^^^^
Uzgred tvoja poruka je "putovala" sa fon-a na sezam 9 dana.
^^^^^^
unix.966ddobic,
Imam dva problema sa stampacima pod XENIX-om.
1. Stampac OLIVETTI DM 309L vezan za 286 masinu preko paralelnog porta.
- kada se na masini podigne DOS stampac radi normalno;
- kada se podigne pod XENIX-om ni da bekne. Probao sam da dam
date>/dev/lp0 ali onda dodje do kocenja i taj proces ne mogu da
ubijem ni sa kill -9. Kada resetujem racunar a stampac ostavim ukljucen,
prilikom podizanja pod XENIX-om stampac reaguje (cuje se pomeranje glave).
Na istoj masini drugi stampaci normalno rade pod XENIX-om. I ovaj stampac
je dobro radio dok nije bio na servisu. Najvise me buni sto pod DOS-om
radi bez problema.
2. Stampac FUJITCU DL 5600 ranije bio prikacen na OLIVETTI M380 i dobro
radio pod XENIX-om 386. Prebacen na 486DX100 (isto XENIX 386) pravi
probleme kod nekih izvestaja. Prvih desetak redova stampa normalno
a onda pocne da kilavi. Izbaci jedan red pa misli sekundu pa drugi red
pa opet misli. Ovo se obicno desava kod izvestaja koji imaju vise od
100-tinak znakova u liniji. Istu stampu na istom racunaru ali pod DOS-om
stampa bez ikakvog zadrzavanja. Postujuci preporuku iz Administrator
guide-a napravio sam /dev/lp0p ali to nije nista pomoglo.
Pomagajte ako imate neku ideju. Dragoslav
unix.967alexr,
> Postavljam ovo pitanje svima koji poznaju sledecu problematiku, a pre svega
> Payi (Pekovicu) i Zarku (Berberskom):
> Posto sam odustovao od mount-ovanja ne-scsi cdroma i konfigurisao adapec
> 2940 sa toshibom 3501(4x) i uspesno pristupio cd-u i ISO9660 formatu na
> kojem se nalaze sco unix programi pojavio se sledeci problem:
> Fajlovi su svi u uppercase-u a fajlovi bez ekstenzije (programi i shell
> skripte) imaju sufiks . npr make izgleda ovako: MAKE. (ova tacka je deo
> imena) E sad, ja bih i mogao da startujem program sa npr /cd/BIN/MAKE. da
> programi koji su na cd-u koriste datoteke koje su na cd-u i koje su takodje
> u uppercase-u i stalno javlja da ih ne moze naci. Kada se sve prekopira na
> hard i prebaci u lower case. Problem je sto ima puno megabajta doticnih
> fajlova. PRETPOSTAVLJAM DA NISAM KOREKTNO MOUNT-ovao CD U ISO9660 FORMATU.
>
> DA LI NEKO ZNA KAKO SE TO RADI (KOJE KOMANDE, PARAMETRI, FILESISTEM ?) U
> CILJU DOBIJANJA SVIH FILEOVA U LOWER CASE-u.
Nisi naveo koju verziju Unix-a koristiš, ali ako se radi o SCO UNIX-u 4.X
ili ODT-u ovo bi trebalo da reši tvoje probleme :
"Dear SCO Customer,
The enclosed Support Level Supplement (SLS) UOD374A provides a new
High-Sierra filesystem driver that addresses the following issues:
(1) Allows execution of binary programs that lie on a mounted
High-Sierra filesystem CD-ROM.
(2) Provides an option to remove the trailing dot from High-Sierra
filenames that do not contain a 3-letter extension. To prevent
the trailing dot, use the option '-fHS,lower' to mount(ADM).
SLS UOD374A will only install on SCO UNIX System V/386 Release 3.2 Version
4.0, 4.1, 4.2, and SCO Open Desktop Release 2.0 and 3.0 systems.
NOTE: If you intend to install SLS NET362B, then SLS UOD374A must be
installed after NET362B. NET362B provides support for mounting
High-Sierra filesystems across SCO NFS Release 1.2.0. An upcoming
SLS is scheduled to provide the functionality of NET362B for SCO NFS
Release 1.2.1 -- this upcoming SLS may be installed before or after
UOD374A. "
uod374a.zipunix.968postmast,
From: zoranp@fon (Zoran Petrovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 05:46:20 GMT
Branislav Petkovic (sir.oracle@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
> Postavljam ovo pitanje svima koji poznaju sledecu problematiku, a pre svega
> Payi (Pekovicu) i Zarku (Berberskom):
Moze i neko drugi ?
> Posto sam odustovao od mount-ovanja ne-scsi cdroma i konfigurisao adapec 2940
> sa toshibom 3501(4x) i uspesno pristupio cd-u i ISO9660 formatu na kojem se
> nalaze sco unix programi pojavio se sledeci problem:
> DA LI NEKO ZNA KAKO SE TO RADI (KOJE KOMANDE, PARAMETRI, FILESISTEM ?) U CILJU
> DOBIJANJA SVIH FILEOVA U LOWER CASE-u.
Moze :
mount -r -f HS,lower,version /dev/cd0 /cdrom
Za jos delikatnije slucajeve, ako hoces sada taj cd-rom da ti se vidi i na DOS
radnim stanicama, mount-ovanje preko NFS-a, pa jos ako ides i preko
nekog gateway-a ( ja recimo imam 4 EISA 3COM 579 kartice ) moras dodati
i jedno
mount -r -f HS,lower,version,rsize=1024,wsize=1024 /dec/cd0 /cdrom
Naime za NFS je "vazno" da ako stanica nije na datom trunk-u na kome se
nalazi i mount point ( ili tacka ) bude specificiran rsize i wsize.
Konkretan primer startovanja svih programa sa SkunkWarea-a 2.0 radi kod mene.
WWW i ostalo. Za one koji ne znaju Skunkware se dobija na kompakt disku
koji se u USA dobija za dzabe ( posaljes e-mail ) a kod nas se moze naci.
To je ustvari kolekcija programa za SCO UNIX ( OSE ODT ).
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zoran V. Petrovic IRITEL zoranp@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
epetrovi@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.969spantic,
Srećna vest!
Novell je prodao UNIX!
I to SCO-u.
unix.970bulaja,
│Srećna vest!
│Novell je prodao UNIX!
│I to SCO-u.
└───
Opaa, izgleda da se nešto kuva, možda im treba im lova za neku
kupovinu :). Zna li neko iznos transakcije, pa da pretpostavljamo
šta se može kupiti sa to (možda čak i Warp, ako IBM već hoće da
ga proda:).
unix.971spantic,
> kupovinu :). Zna li neko iznos transakcije, pa da pretpostavljamo
> šta se može kupiti sa to (možda čak i Warp, ako IBM već hoće da
> ga proda:).
Ako me neko ne pretekne, poslaću čim stignem da skinem
detaljne vesti.
unix.972vcalic,
>> Srećna vest!
>>
>> Novell je prodao UNIX!
>>
>> I to SCO-u.
He, a kad se setimo ko drži SCO... ;)) Znači, uskoro se najavljuje
Unix 97 ;)
Vlada
unix.973vitez.koja,
#=> He, a kad se setimo ko drži SCO... ;)) Znači, uskoro se
#=> najavljuje Unix 97 ;)
Sco Unix for Windows 95, pravi 32-bitni ;))
unix.974kile,
>> Opaa, izgleda da se nešto kuva, ...
Kuva se, i to veeeliko... :>
unix.975postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Gopher & ftp
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:56:52 GMT
Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
Dragoljub
unix.976postmast,
From: eotek@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Radojevic)
Subject: Re: Gopher & ftp
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:22:22 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
: gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
: Dragoljub
ln -s /home/ftp/pub /home/gopher/data/pub
ili kako su vec dirovi rasporedjeni :)
unix.977postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Gopher & ftp
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:20:54 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) :
>> Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
>> gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
Prosto. Kreiraj link na pub direktorijum. Na
primer ovako:
ln -s /home/ftp/pub "Anonymous FTP"
Kvaka 22 je u tome da onda gopher server moras
da startujes sa -c opcijom, sto znaci da ne radis
chroot pre nego sto udjes u gopher dir.
Nadam se da je jasno...
--
Miroslav R. Hristodulo
<miroslav@yucca.co.yu>
unix.978postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: xmsdos-0.1.6, a VFAT filesystem for Linux
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:02:14 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Gordon Chaffee ]
[ Posted on Sun, 10 Sep 95 13:54:35 GMT ]
Release: xmsdos 0.1.6
This is an alpha release of xmsdos, a VFAT filesystem that
can handle Windows 95 and Windows NT long filenames. Be warned, it may do
irrepairable damage to your directories and your disk. Most likely, it
won't. If you mount the filesystems as read-only, you shouldn't have
anything to worry about. It was tested on Linux 1.3.x and Windows NT 3.5.
It does not work on NTFS partitions.
Where to get:
mm-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/multimedia/linux/xmsdos/xmsdos-0.1.6.tgz
How to use:
Until the system is stable, the filesystem is called xmsdos.
When the filesystem is stable, I would hope that it may replace the
msdos filesystem. In order for that to happen, quite a bit more work
and integration needs to occur.
To load the filesystem:
insmod xmsdos.o
To mount a floppy:
mount -t xmsdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
Things to note:
If you use non-ASCII characters on Windows NT in a filename, you
will be unable to retrieve that file. Right now, this has not been
tested at all, so the results are unpredictable.
The makefile has -CCONFIG_MODVERSIONS turned on. If your kernel
is built without this on, you'll need to remove this from the Makefile.
If you find bugs, please send mail to chaffee@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu.
Please specify the filename and the operation that gave you trouble.
Acknowledgements:
Thanks to Galen C. Hunt <gchunt@cs.rochester.edu> for the very useful
information he provided on creating the short filename checksum and the
structure of the long filenames.
Thanks to Michael R. Gile <gilem@rpi.edu> for his information about
the case bits for the DOS filename entry and his excellent bug reports.
Thanks to Gilles Vollant <100144.2636@compuserve.com> for telling me
what was broken in the 1.3.x kernels. Gilles wrote doslfn, a package
with the same functionality as xmsdos. We intend to work together to
create an excellent combined package.
Thanks to Steve Searle <steve@mgu.bath.ac.uk> for finding a bunch of
problems with certain filenames under Windows 95. He provided fixes
and changes to the filesystem to make it work much more like the
Windows 95 implementation.
Additional thanks to Alain Knaff <Alain.Knaff@imag.fr> and
David C. Niemi <niemidc@clark.net> for comments in email discussions.
Gordon Chaffee
chaffee@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu
--
Send comp.os.linux.announce submissions to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov
PLEASE remember a short description of the software.
--
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
unix.979postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: UUCP 1.06.1
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 06:45:03 GMT
[ Article crossposted from gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.mail.uucp ]
[ Author was Ian Lance Taylor (ian@airs.com) ]
[ Posted on Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:13:11 -0400 ]
UUCP 1.06 unfortunately had a serious bug, so I have decided to
release version 1.06.1. I urge everybody who has already picked up
1.06 to upgrade to 1.06.1. The diffs from 1.06 are small, so I have
included them in this message (they are also available from prep).
The complete 1.06.1 tar distribution is available from
prep.ai.mit.edu, and all the usual mirror sites. I apologize for any
inconvenience.
--
Ian Taylor | ian@airs.com | First to identify quote wins free e-mail message:
``[I]n Paris, for example, in 1660 there were 103 holidays in the year.''
diff -ur uucp-1.06/ChangeLog uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog
--- uucp-1.06/ChangeLog Thu Aug 10 23:35:01 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog Sun Aug 20 15:29:15 1995
@@ -1,3 +1,33 @@
+Sun Aug 20 15:12:36 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * Released version 1.06.1.
+
+ * uux.c (main): Make sure that the grade is between '0' and '9',
+ or 'a' and 'z', or 'A' and 'Z', in case isalnum accepts other
+ characters.
+ * uucp.c (main): Likewise.
+
+Sat Aug 19 23:15:21 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * configure.in: Check for seteuid.
+ * configure: Rebuild.
+ * config.h.in (HAVE_SETEUID): Define.
+ * unix/uid.c: If HAVE_SETEUID is defined, use seteuid rather than
+ setuid.
+ * policy.h: Change HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID comment to mention that it
+ does not work on 4.4BSD-Lite and NetBSD.
+
+ * Andrey A. Chernov: uuconf.h (UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL): Use BUCHAR.
+
+Wed Aug 16 21:23:39 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * uucico.c (flogin_prompt): Add pzsystem parameter, and pass it to
+ faccept_call. Change all callers.
+
+ * trans.c (qtransalc): Clear zlog field.
+
+ * Makefile.in (VERSION): Change to 1.06.1.
+
Thu Aug 10 22:42:53 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
* Released version 1.06.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/Makefile.in uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in
--- uucp-1.06/Makefile.in Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
SHELL = /bin/sh
-VERSION = 1.06
+VERSION = 1.06.1
MORECFLAGS = -I. -I$(srcdir) -DOWNER=\"$(owner)\" -DVERSION=\"$(VERSION)\" $(UUDIRFLAGS)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/config.h.in uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in
--- uucp-1.06/config.h.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:47 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:21 1995
@@ -230,6 +230,7 @@
#define HAVE_WAIT4 0
#define HAVE_GLOB 0
#define HAVE_SETREUID 0
+#define HAVE_SETEUID 0
/* There are several functions which are replaced in the subdirectory
lib. If they are missing, the configure script will automatically
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure.in uucp-1.06.1/configure.in
--- uucp-1.06/configure.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:48 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:22 1995
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
dnl This should be processed with autoconf to produce a configure script.
dnl Copyright (c) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Ian Lance Taylor
dnl
-AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel $])
+AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel $])
AC_INIT(policy.h)
AC_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)
AC_PREFIX_PROGRAM(gcc)
@@ -295,7 +295,7 @@
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(remove ftruncate ltrunc rename opendir dup2 waitpid wait4)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigsetjmp setret sigaction sigvec sigset)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigprocmask sigblock sighold getdtablesize sysconf)
-AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname)
+AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(gettimeofday ftw glob dev_info)
dnl Check for getline, but not in -linet, since ISC has an
dnl incompatible version there.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure uucp-1.06.1/configure
--- uucp-1.06/configure Wed Aug 9 21:01:30 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure Sun Aug 20 15:32:04 1995
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
#! /bin/sh
-# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel
+# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel
# Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles.
# Generated automatically using autoconf version 2.4
# Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
@@ -2606,7 +2606,7 @@
fi
done
-for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname
+for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname
do
echo $ac_n "checking for $ac_func""... $ac_c" 1>&6
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_func_$ac_func'+set}'`\" = set"; then
diff -ur uucp-1.06/policy.h uucp-1.06.1/policy.h
--- uucp-1.06/policy.h Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/policy.h Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -205,14 +205,14 @@
other than the uucp user uses it. */
#define HAVE_SAVED_SETUID 1
-/* On some systems, such as the DG Aviion and, possibly, the RS/6000,
- the setreuid function is broken. It should be possible to use
- setreuid to swap the real and effective user ID's, but on some
- systems it will not change the real user ID (I believe this is due
- to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On such a system you must
- set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do not, you will get error
- messages from setreuid. Systems on which setreuid exists but is
- broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
+/* On some systems, such as 4.4BSD-Lite, NetBSD, the DG Aviion and,
+ possibly, the RS/6000, the setreuid function is broken. It should
+ be possible to use setreuid to swap the real and effective user
+ ID's, but on some systems it will not change the real user ID (I
+ believe this is due to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On
+ such a system you must set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do
+ not, you will get error messages from setreuid. Systems on which
+ setreuid exists but is broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
#define HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID 0
/* On a few systems, such as NextStep 3.3, the POSIX macro F_SETLKW is
diff -ur uucp-1.06/trans.c uucp-1.06.1/trans.c
--- uucp-1.06/trans.c Thu Aug 10 22:46:40 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/trans.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:39 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.40 1995/08/11 02:43:32 ian Rel $";
+const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.41 1995/08/17 01:25:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <errno.h>
@@ -381,6 +381,7 @@
q->s.znotify = NULL;
q->s.zcmd = NULL;
}
+ q->zlog = NULL;
q->isecs = 0;
q->imicros = 0;
q->cbytes = 0;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c
--- uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c Wed Aug 9 21:00:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c Sun Aug 20 15:30:48 1995
@@ -29,6 +29,13 @@
#include "sysdep.h"
#include <errno.h>
+
+/* NetBSD apparently does not support setuid as required by POSIX when
+ using saved setuid, so use seteuid instead. */
+
+#if HAVE_SETEUID
+#define setuid seteuid
+#endif
/* Switch to permissions of the invoking user. */
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucico.c uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucico.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:43 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.190 1995/06/29 19:35:59 ian Rel $";
+const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.192 1995/08/17 02:03:35 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@
static int iuport_lock P((struct uuconf_port *qport, pointer pinfo));
static boolean flogin_prompt P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, struct sconnection *qconn,
- const char *zlogin));
+ const char *zlogin, const char **pzsystem));
static int icallin_cmp P((int iwhich, pointer pinfo, const char *zfile));
static boolean faccept_call P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, const char *zlogin,
@@ -693,7 +693,8 @@
{
while (! FGOT_SIGNAL ()
&& flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- (const char *) NULL))
+ (const char *) NULL,
+ (const char **) NULL))
{
/* Close and reopen the port in between calls. */
if (! fconn_close (&sconn, puuconf,
@@ -708,7 +709,7 @@
{
if (flogin)
fret = flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- zlogin);
+ zlogin, &zsystem);
else
{
#if DEBUG > 1
@@ -1708,12 +1709,13 @@
/* Prompt for a login name and a password, and run as the slave. */
static boolean
-flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin)
+flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin, pzsystem)
pointer puuconf;
const char *zconfig;
boolean fuuxqt;
struct sconnection *qconn;
const char *zlogin;
+ const char **pzsystem;
{
int iuuconf;
int istrip;
@@ -1722,6 +1724,9 @@
boolean fret;
struct scallin_info s;
+ if (pzsystem != NULL)
+ *pzsystem = NULL;
+
DEBUG_MESSAGE0 (DEBUG_HANDSHAKE, "flogin_prompt: Waiting for login");
iuuconf = uuconf_strip (puuconf, &istrip);
@@ -1790,8 +1795,7 @@
#if DEBUG > 1
iholddebug = iDebug;
#endif
- (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn,
- (const char **) NULL);
+ (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn, pzsystem);
#if DEBUG > 1
iDebug = iholddebug;
#endif
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uuconf.h uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h
--- uucp-1.06/uuconf.h Wed Aug 9 20:59:10 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h Sun Aug 20 15:29:44 1995
@@ -563,7 +563,7 @@
#define UUCONF_GRADE_LOW ('z')
/* Whether a character is a legal grade (requires <ctype.h>). */
-#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum ((unsigned) (b)))
+#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum (BUCHAR (b)))
/* Return < 0 if the first grade should be done before the second
grade, == 0 if they are the same, or > 0 if the first grade should
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.c uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:46 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.63 1995/08/02 01:22:53 ian Rel $";
+const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.64 1995/08/20 19:21:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -277,7 +277,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade)
+ || ((bCgrade < '0' || bCgrade > '9')
+ && (bCgrade < 'a' || bCgrade > 'z')
+ && (bCgrade < 'A' || bCgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bCgrade = BDEFAULT_UUCP_GRADE;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.texi uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.texi Wed Aug 9 20:59:16 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi Sun Aug 20 15:29:51 1995
@@ -5649,8 +5649,8 @@
Approved: news-answers-request@@MIT.Edu
Archive-name: uucp-internals
-Version: $Revision: 1.108 $
-Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/02 01:35:25 $
+Version: $Revision: 1.109 $
+Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/20 03:32:59 $
@end format
@end ifset
@@ -8288,6 +8288,7 @@
@code{tbr@@tfic.bc.ca} (Tom Rushworth)
@code{jsacco@@ssl.com} (Joseph E. Sacco)
@code{rsalz@@bbn.com} (Rich Salz)
+Curt Sampson @code{<curt@@portal.ca>}
@code{sojurn!mike@@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu} (Mike Sangrey)
Nickolay Saukh @code{<nms@@ussr.EU.net>}
@code{heiko@@lotte.sax.de} (Heiko Schlittermann)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uux.c uucp-1.06.1/uux.c
--- uucp-1.06/uux.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:22 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uux.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:57 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.81 1995/08/02 01:25:17 ian Rel $";
+const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.82 1995/08/20 19:21:42 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include "uudefs.h"
@@ -336,7 +336,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade)
+ || ((bXgrade < '0' || bXgrade > '9')
+ && (bXgrade < 'a' || bXgrade > 'z')
+ && (bXgrade < 'A' || bXgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bXgrade = BDEFAULT_UUX_GRADE;
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Letter to judge (Randal)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:57:04 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.security.unix ]
[ Author was Lyle Settle ]
[ Posted on Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:47:37 GMT ]
I am a friend of Randal Schwartz.
Following is my letter to Judge Bonebrake requesting
leniency in Randal's sentence.
I hope that all who have received benefits from Randal will
write letters of support. Please send your signed letter to:
Marc Sussman, Attorney at Law
New Market Way
135 S.W. Ash, Suite 600
Portland, OR 97204
(503) 221-0520
(503) 221-1908 (fax)
email: larryo@teleport.com
Many thanks, Lyle
==============================================================
Lyle Settle Writing Services
249 N 9th Street
San Jose, CA 95112
(408) 293-5757
Friday, August 25, 1995
The Honorable Alan C. Bonebrake
Circuit Court Judge
300 Washington County Courthouse
145 NE 2nd
Hillsboro, OR 97124
Dear Judge Bonebrake:
RE: State of Oregon v. Randal Schwartz
Washington County Circuit Court Case No. C94-0322CR
The purpose of this letter is to urge your consideration
of mitigating factors in the
sentencing of Randal Schwartz on September 11, 1995. As I
testified at his trial, I hold Randal in very high regard for
his prodigious technical skills, his integrity, his
truthfulness, his endearing personal qualities, and his
contributions to society. I have never known Randal to be
impolite, dishonest, dishonorable, envious of others,
perverse, or malicious in any way. Rather he has been a great
help to his fellow workers, to the companies he and they
served, and to hundreds of people worldwide.
First, permit me to reintroduce myself. I am 70 years of
age. At my expense I made the trip from my home in San Jose,
California, to appear as the last witness in Randal`s
defense. I have worked as a technical writer in the
computing business since 1962 and am currently employed as
Technical Writing Consultant for Visa International in San
Mateo, California. Attached is my current resume.
I have known Randal since 1978. We have worked together on
two jobs totaling about six years. On these jobs we worked
closely together for about 1,300 days. Although we are no
longer working together, I see Randal several times a year
when he visits the San Francisco Bay Area to teach Perl
classes.
I recruited the sixteen-year old Randal for my technical
writing team at Tektronix in 1978, where he performed
outstandingly--far beyond the call of duty and far beyond the
requirements stated in his job description. In my opinion, he
did the work of three ordinary people. He produced astounding
results that benefited Tektronix and the people around him.
Permit me to itemize (*) some of his accomplishments.
*****Randal received a division-level award for his
contribution that brought Tektronix $9,000,000 in revenue.
This was the opinion told to me by Mike Maerz, then Tek`s
Business Unit Manager and now an Intel Vice President. You
may recall seeing the plaque that Tek gave to Randal in
recognition of this contribution.
*****Randal created the department`s word processing and
automatic typesetting systems. The systems greatly improved
the productivity of about 30 writers. Furthermore, he
maintained the system in perfect working order through
several changes of equipment. All of this he did before the
days of desktop publishing. For its time Randal`s system was
a big accomplishment, especially when one realizes that he
did this in on top of his heavy workload of assigned duties.
*****Randal served as project leader on several books. Three
of his books won awards from the Society for Technical
Communication. Moreover, one of the Hughes companies
selected Tek as their vendor of choice because they liked
Randal`s books better than those of other vendors selling
competing products.
*****I left Tektronix in 1982 to join Tandem Computers, where
I worked for ten years. In 1985 I recruited Randal as
principal technical consultant and co-author of Tandem`s
Security Administration Guide . The guide was a required
document for the Department of Defense`s security
certification program.
*****A requirement of the Security Administration Guide was
that it itemize all possible avenues of intrusion into Tandem
systems and that it explain how to prevent such intrusions.
Digging into the bowels of the Tandem system, Randal found
several previously unknown avenues of intrusion. Some of
these Tandem could fix (and did). Others required special
security software tailored to the customer`s configuration
and security policy. To help customers, Randal created
software that system administrators could adapt to their
particular systems. The Security Administration Guide was a
great addition to Tandem`s library, eliciting dozens of
appreciative letters from Tandem customers and Tandem support
people around the world. The Defense Department`s
certification committee applauded the book and
told me that it contains exactly the
right information.
*****After publication of the Security Administration Guide,
Randal returned to his home in Portland. A year or so later,
Tandem was about to allow its customers limited access to the
Tandem network. Tandem security experts had taken extensive
precautions to protect against the possibility of customers
intruding beyond the allowed limits. Before allowing customer
access, however, Tandem contracted with Randal to try to
break past the allowed limits into parts of the network
reserved for Tandem people. Within a few minutes after his
arrival in Cupertino, he succeeded! Tandem treated his break-
in as a contribution to their security effort. They fixed the
loopholes and happily paid his fee.
*****While Randal was working in Cupertino, he assisted with
San Jose`s Albert Schweitzer Concert, an annual event I
organize to honor the memory of Albert Schweitzer and to
raise funds for poor and homeless people. Randal gave several
days to publicizing the event beforehand and to distributing
the proceeds afterwards.
*****Judging from his teaching schedule posted on the Internet,
Randal has taught Perl to nearly 1,000 new students since his
indictment on All Saints Day 1993.
I ask you to consider the following points:
1. Randal has no previous criminal record.
2. Randal has throughout his working life demonstrated a
strong commitment to work for the betterment of his
employers. Beyond a shadow of doubt, I believe this was true
throughout his employment at Intel.
3. Randal has deservedly received public recognition for his
contributions as noted in the preceding paragraphs.
4. Judging by the discussions following his conviction from
Internet correspondents all over the world, there are
hundreds of people who agree that Randal is an
extraordinarily fine person. He does not deserve harsh
treatment.
5. Already, Randal has received harsh punishment for his
activities.
6. Despite Intel`s charges at the trial, Randal
nonetheless helped Intel for several years. An enlightened
management would be grateful to him for awakening them to the
fact that their security procedures were flawed.
Thanking you for considering this request for leniency, I am,
Sincerely yours,
Lyle Settle
--
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Oregon v. Schwartz FAQ
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 23:29:56 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.security.unix,comp.security.misc,misc.legal.computing ]
[ Author was Jeffrey Kegler ]
[ Posted on 4 Sep 1995 13:43:34 -0700 ]
This is the FAQ for the fors-discuss (Friends of Randal Schwartz)
mailing list, now into its 3rd version.
==== Start of FAQ
OREGON V. SCHWARTZ FAQ (V3)
Disclaimer for early drafts: It is possible, as I have gathered
this material from miscellaneous mailing list messages, news
postings, and so forth, that it contains errors of ascertainable
fact or ascribes statements to people who never made them. I
regret both deeply. Please inform me of any such problems so I
may correct them immediately.
I have tried to represent people's views in their own words. One
disadvantage is this requires taking old postings. News is an
interactive medium, and one takes less care than in writing for
other forums. I am open to considering replacement language from
the same source, where the poster wants to revise his remarks.
Significantly changed or new questions are followed by an
asterisk.
FAQ Index
Q1. What is Oregon v. Schwartz?
Q2. Why the interest in Oregon v. Schwartz?
Q3. Who is Randal Schwartz?
Q4. What was count 1?
Q5. Why does Randal say he created the gateway?
Q6. Was the gateway authorized or unauthorized?*
Q7. What was count 2?*
Q8. What was count 3?
Q9. Why was Randal running crack? Was Randal authorized to
check security using crack?
Q10. What is crack and who should run it?
Q11. What is the most serious evidence against Randal?*
Q12. How does Randal explain his confession?*
Q13. Even if Randal is guilty, this does not seem like the sort
of thing you ordinarily prosecute. Why did they?
Q14. Was there no offer of a plea bargain?*
Q15. Besides Randal, who's who in this case?*
Q16. What was the chronology of events?*
Q17. How can I help? And does Randal keep his own version of
this story anywhere?
Q18. Where can I find more information?*
Q1. What is Oregon v. Schwartz?
The case in which Randal Schwartz was convicted on July 25, 1995
of three computer crime felonies.
Q2. Why the interest in Oregon v. Schwartz?
There are quite a few interesting aspects to this case. First,
cracker cases which come to trial are still somewhat unusual.
Second, the defendant. Randal Schwartz is the first wizard
convicted of cracking. That is, he is the first prominent
cracker who was already prominent for legitimate reasons. Third,
the circumstances. There appears to be no case made that Randal
was malicious, or had anything like what laymen recognize as
criminal intent. The element of "personal gain" necessary for
the theft counts was supplied by Randal confessing he hoped what
he did would make a favorable impression on Intel. Fourth, the
law. As the above would indicate, the laws, and the court's
interpretation of them, was very sweeping, and seems to
criminalize activity widely regarded as normal, helpful and even
necessary. Fifth, Internet security policy implications. In the
Morris case, it was clear the conviction strengthened computer
security. Here that conclusion seems most dubious.
Q3. Who is Randal Schwartz?
Randal is perhaps Perl's number one fan. His early and energetic
advocacy of Perl and his co-authorship with Larry Wall of that
language's most authoritative text have identified Randal with
Perl so thoroughly he is often mistakenly thought of as co-
inventor of Perl. (Larry Wall invented Perl alone.) Randal is
widely known through his generosity in answering perl questions
on the net, and he is an established and generally well liked
personality on the Internet. Randal is far from the
stereotypical cracker.
Q4. What was count 1?
Knowingly and without authorization altering a computer network.
This refers to Randal installing gateway programs on two
computers so he could access Intel computers from a remote
computer.
Q5. Why does Randal say he created the gateway?
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Mon, 14 Aug 1995
15:10:45 -0700): "I established what I believed to be very secure
ways of checking on my Intel email over the internet while I was
away from Intel (for the small number of weeks that I was out of
town), and having Xterms and X-emacs access my Xserver at Intel
while I was at my desk (part time). ('gate' and 'door' were in
Perl, making this what I believe to be the first time Perl code
is now a part of the public record. :-)"
Randal's claim of benign intent does not seem to have been
contested in court. Apparently malicious or criminal intent was
not a necessary element of this crime.
Q6. Was the gateway authorized or unauthorized?
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Mon, 14 Aug 1995
15:10:45 -0700): "Now, having said that, there's another flaw
with charge one. If, as Intel claims in the trial, that my
actions in March and June of 1993 (where I was told to modify
'door' and 'gate' to be more secure) are truly crimes, why the
heck was I allowed to work until November 1993? This seems to be
the case of moving the line drawn in pencil on the floor (not
visible under average light) to the other side of the room
without telling me, and retroactively deciding that something I
wasn't even disciplined for is now a crime. Gack."
Mark Morrissey on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Tue, 15 Aug 95 10:18
PDT): "In about March of 1993, Dirk and I confronted Randal after
Dirk found a program owned by Randal running on a machine named
mink that would allow incoming access to Intel from the Internet.
Dirk and I told Randal quite clearly and very explicitely that
access to Intel networks from outside of Intel was a violation of
Intel security policy. Randal seemed quite surprised and was
very apologetic, so I told him that we would handle the situation
internally and not involve Intel security. Since Randal didn't
seem to know the rules, I made sure that he understood them and
let him off with a warning. I informed Intel security that a
possible security hole had been found and resolved.
Mark: "Let me be very clear: Randal agreed to modify the program
so that it would not receive connections from IP addresses not in
the Intel domain. Later checking by Dirk confirmed that Randal
had installed this block (at least, this is what Dirk told me).
Mark: "Randal certainly understood that the problem was access to
Intel networks from outside of the company. I made this very
clear and he assured me that he understood."
The FAQ-keeper asked "Why leave the gateway running at all?" and
Mark Morrissey responded on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:42
PDT): "Randal told us that he used the program for making
connections out of Intel, which was the sole purpose for the
existence of the machine mink. This explains why the gate
program wasn't terminated."
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:44:03
-0700) gave a longer version of events as corrections and
additions to a scenario put forth by the FAQ-keeper. The
scenario began as follows:
1. Intel discovers 'door', labels it offending and orders it
changed.
2. Randal accepts the Intel policy, and changes 'door'.
3. Intel checks and passes on the changed 'door', seemingly
implicitly authorizing it.
Randal then picked up the story: "4. Randal abandons use of
'door' (allowing access to *any* inside machine once you get
through all of the security locks), shortly thereafter.
Randal: "5. Some substantial time later, Randal creates 'gate',
restricting access only to a single machine that does not contain
product data and believed to be reasonably secure.
Randal: "6. Dirk/Mark discover gate, decide that *that* isn't
secure enough. Randal says he no longer needs account if he
can't even run gate there, and asks for account to be closed.
They comply.
Randal: "7. Randal runs 'gate' on SSD machine, which has security
policy more accomodating and familiar.
Randal: "8. Months later, when Intel begins prosecution relating
to use of crack, they decide that events 2 and 6 are now
felonious action, when in prior instances, it hadn't even
resulted in even so much as a sanction or other disciplinary
action.
Randal: "So, some points here:
Randal: "I *never* *knowingly* disobeyed any guidelines handed to
me. My understanding of event 2 is that they were telling me
that 'door' wasn't secure enough because it allowed access to any
machine. I *never* ran 'door' in that fashion again. Ever.
Randal: "'gate' had a very narrow purpose, akin to what I was
doing for my group when I was at iWarp/SSD... access to a
specific, non-product machine. When Mark/Dirk disagreed with
even its use, I finally concluded that they were being even more
tight than SSD. So I moved the program back to SSD, where I
understood the policy to be more liberal. [ ... ] 'door' and
'gate' had entirely different access protocols and scope of
operation."
Mike Northam on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:16:19 -0700):
Mike: "Having worked at Intel as a contractor both within SSD and
in other Intel organizations, I can vouch for Randal's assertion
that SSD is 'different'. [ ... ] but my view is that SSD, being
more a research organization, is more "accomodating" than other
Intel divisions. And, since Randal had worked there for several
years previously, I can imagine it would seem 'more familiar'."
Mark Morrissey on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 95 22:27 PDT): Mark:
"I'll yield to Randal on the mink incident since I never saw the
second program, only the first. All I know is that I was told
that he had made the changes to the script that we saw to block
outside connections and at a later date I was told that the
blocks were removed and when confronted, opted to have his
account removed.
Mark: "This is consistent with his email on this subject and I
apologize for calling both programs 'gate'. Thanks for the
corrections Randal."
In response to my question, exactly which instances count 1
consisted of, Randal replied on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995
12:46:14 -0700): "door on mink (mar 93), gate on mink (may/jun
93), gate on brillig (nov 93)".
Q7. What was count 2?
Theft of a password file. This consisted of copying it from one
Intel machine to another.
Q8. What was count 3?
Theft again, this time of individual passwords decrypted from
that same file. Randal decrypted these passwords using crack.
Q9. Why was Randal running crack? Was Randal authorized to
check security using crack?
Randal L. Schwartz on on misc.legal.computing (09 Aug 1995
19:17:08 -0700): "I had never ever been instructed not to run
Crack while at Intel. I had started running it on my own
initiative while a sysadm at iWarp, and it was still being run
when I left iWarp/SSD in mid 92. Why no-one was running it in
oct 93 is *still* the question. (If they had, I suspect I would
not have discovered 48 passwords of 600 users, and that the vice
president's password was 'pre$ident'.)"
Mark Morrissey on comp.sys.intel,misc.legal.computing (2 Aug 1995
22:18:01 GMT): "But he *wasn't* a systems administrator for the
systems on which crack was being run (*I* was the systems
administrator for those systems) and he wasn't a systems
administrator for SSD at the time in question. Also, he *knew*
who to contact at SSD and failed to do so. At a very minimum, he
could have informed me and asked me to handle things. We did,
after all, sit next to each other."
Randal on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995 12:46:14 -0700): "I
walked out in a huff two months early on the iWarp/SSD contract.
This is part of the reason that I didn't immediately report my
results about the SSD security problem -- because I had left in a
huff, I wanted to make sure I had all my ducks in a row before I
cried wolf. And I couldn't bear to say it too early, so I got
pigeonholed into being a snake in the grass. (:-)"
Again, Randal's claim of benign intent does not seem to have been
contested in court.
Q10. What is crack and who should run it?
Crack is a program to find weak passwords by the direct means --
cracking them. The idea is that if a good guy can crack a
password, so can the bad guy. Of course, and unfortunately,
crack is a highly useful tool to bad guys as well.
From Cheswick & Bellovin, _Firewalls and Internet Security_, p.
245.: C&B: "If none of these [authentication devices or a "smart"
version of passwd] are used, crack your own password files and
weed out the weak ones. Crack is a well known and widely
distributed password cracking program by Alec Muffett." Far from
discouraging its use, CERT distributes it as
ftp://ftp.cert.org/pub/tools/crack. Perhaps ironically, one of
the people credited by Alec Muffet for help with this important
tool is Randal Schwartz.
Q11. What is the most serious evidence against Randal?
Of the material out so far, the police report, which contains a
lot of confession language attributed to Randal. The whole is
important to read. It is currently only available in Randal's
archive of fors-discuss. What follows are the most damning
statements:
Report of Detective P. Lazenby, quoted by Mark Morrissey on fors-
discuss (Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:32:24 -0700 (PDT)): "Writer then
asked Randal if he felt he was doing anything wrong. Randal told
writer that he was in fact violating Intel policy and he also
thought that he could be criminally prosecuted for these
incidents."
Lazenby: "I asked Randal if this was wrong and in violation of
Intel policy and Randal said, 'Yes it is, but I knew I could do
it anyway.' Randal said that he wanted to do it because he
wanted to be efficient in getting his E-mail very fast and he
felt was important and when they shut him down, he wanted to
continue doing what he was doing and since he had the capability
to do it and knew he could do it, he did it without permission."
Lazenby: "I then told Randal that if he knew this, and it was a
security measure back then, why was he doing it [ running crack ]
without authorization now. Randal advised that he knew it was
totally wrong and would get in trouble if caught doing it."
Reading of the whole shows its author to have considerable
knowledge of computer jargon, and Randal to have been surprising
familiar both with Oregon computer crime law and the elements
necessary to a full confession.
Q12. How does Randal explain his alleged confession?
Randal on fors-discuss (Sat, 02 Sep 1995 08:32:48 -0700): "I was
indeed read my rights before any questioning started.
Randal: "In a brilliant example of the all-around bad judgement
about this incident, I just started talking. You see, I was
determined to show that *nothing* was going on, and that if they
were considering me as having committed some bad act, they must
simply just not understand what I was doing yet. So I spent two
hours trying to educate them.
Randal: "Please, I've heard the 'next time, call a lawyer' 97
times. Spare me the private email about that.
Randal: "I've never had a run-in with the law before. I've
always thought cops were my friends. That's the way I was
raised. So, while this situation was different and scary, I
still thought that the guys sitting across the room from me
asking me questions were there to help me. Perhaps they could
even be a neutral arbitor.
Randal: "As it turns out, cops, like all of us, seem to have
selective hearing. I had somehow forgotten that. (I had
selective memory. :-)"
Randal on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995 17:45:11 -0700): "[ ...
] they should be read knowing that: (1) the cops had a tape
recorder in the car, but chose not to use it. (2) the cops had
*video* equipment at the office, but chose not to bring it. (3)
little or no notes were taken from a two hour 'interview' (aka
interrogation). (4) I tried to make the cops understand
everything that was happening, but I was very very stressed and
confused, because while this 'interview' was going on, other cops
were scouring my house, ripping out computer systems. (This is
not the usual sort of behavior at my house. :-) (5) I recall the
cops testifying that the information was very technical, and many
times hard for them to understand. (6) I *now* understand why
I'm not supposed to talk to cops without a lawyer present, as the
difference between what I understood to say and what actually
ended up on the paper is nearly night and day. (If you've had
the opportunity, recall the last time you were quoted in the
popular news media... :-)"
Mark Morrissey, quoted by Randal on fors-discuss (Sat, 02 Sep
1995 10:10:58 -0700): "I believe that the reports basically
substantiate what Randal has said publicly here. I don't think
that anyone will find anything that substantially conflicts with
his version. However, what I have found interesting from the
beginning, and about which I had several conversations with the
investigators regarding, is Randal's statement that he was
cracking passwords so that he could continue to read his email
even after he was terminated by Intel at the end of his contract
(and presumably no longer had an account). This is confirmed by
the Intel UNIX security expert (who is *very* good, I assure you)
who was present for much of the interview."
Randal in that same message: "My legal team has gone over that
statement with me in detail. We believe that it is actually a
very good demonstration that what they were understanding and/or
recording was different than what was in my head.
Randal: "It may very well be that I said, under the stress of the
situation, exactly what was in those reports. But my mind
sometimes races ahead of what I am saying, especially under
stress. As I have already said in this forum before, I answered
'yes' to the prosecutor's question of 'so you did this for
personal gain?', when in fact, what I was thinking of was 'well,
it was to keep my employment at Intel, and that benefits me
personally, so yes.'
Randal: "Clearly, viewing the record of my statements in the
clear calm of a situation removed from the original interrogation
reveals the lunacy. Why would I want to read *my* email after
*I* had been terminated??? The real question then for review is:
(1) what question did I think I was answering, and (2) what did I
say, and (3) what did I think I meant by that? I would say #2
can be answered by the police report, but we have to get to #1
and #3 to get the whole picture."
Mark quoted by Randal: "I have always believed Randal's version
with the one caveat mentioned above. This detail appears in
every report and was mentioned by everyone who was involved in
the interviews (which I was not, being at Intel preserving the
chain of evidence). It could simply be a case of nerves on
Randal's part, but I haven't had a chance to buy him a beer to
talk about things. The ramifications are evident: he appears to
have intended to leave gate running after he left the company and
intended to use other accounts and passwords for some reason -
the loss to explain this part."
Randal: "No, I intended continued employment and continued access
to my email while I was employed. Even if I misspoke. :-)"
Q13. Even if Randal is guilty, this does not seem like the sort
of thing you ordinarily prosecute. Why did they?
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Mon, 14 Aug 1995
15:10:45 -0700) Randal: "Allowing me to opine for a moment, it
seems that as long as I was being innovative in directions that
didn't embarrass the vice president of SSD, I could experiment
all I wanted, because my overall net contribution to the company
far exceeded any hassle I was causing the grunts. And, both the
mail-access method and running crack were further attempts on my
part to be of overall benefit to the company. But we know how
these two turned out. :-("
John H. Woodard, an Intel lawyer quoted in the Oregonian:
Woodard: "I think it was good for all the high-tech companies
moving into this area that the county is willing to pursue these
types of crimes."
FAQ-keeper: Personally, this case has me afraid to change planes
in Washington County.
Mike Northam on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:47:47 -0700):
"My personal feeling (and this is pure speculation) is that there
were perhaps cracking attempts, possibly industrial espionage,
against some Intel systems which hold major corporate secrets
about the Pentium follow-on chip. Perhaps this kind of thing was
what caused the major reaction against Randal.
Mike: "What folks [ ... ] perhaps need to fully understand is
that hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake in those kinds
of ballparks. Finding a system accessible to the outside world,
in any manner whatsoever, bypassing the firewalls would cause the
alarm bells to ring, I've no doubt. But why, after it became
apparent that the 'attack' was benign, would Intel press for
felony charges?"
Q14. Was there no offer of a plea bargain?
Randal on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995 12:54:50 -0700): "1)
first offer, prior to *indictment* (mar 94): one felony. (At
this point, we weren't even able to figure out what they could
possibly charge me for, so I couldn't figure out why I was
possibly copping to a felony.)
Randal: "2) second offer, the week before the trial (jul 95):
wants to apply misdemeanor treatment for the crimes, I won't
stand in the way, but I won't suggest it either'. (This is
before the judge even gets to hear any of the evidence.)
Randal: "Both offers, obviously, were declined."
Q15. Besides Randal, who's who in this case?
Thomas J. Tintera, Senior Deputy D.A., was the prosecutor.
Alan C Bonebrake, Circuit Court Judge, was the judge at the
trial.
Marc A. Sussman is Randal's defense attorney.
Mark Morrissey was sysadmin of the system crack was run against,
and the person who discovered crack running. He testified at the
trial.
Dirk Brandaweighe was another Intel sysadmin who worked for Mark.
Detective P. Lazenby was one of those who searched Randal's
apartment. He filed a report containing many statements by
Randal full of confession language.
Sr. Deputy Lilley was another officer who participated in the
search. He apparently wrote a more extensive report, which as of
this version of the FAQ, the FAQ-keeper has not seen.
An Ed Bunch is mentioned in Det. Lazenby's report as an Intel
sysadmin who may have been told that Randal had found passwords.
John H. Woodard is an Intel lawyer, who observed much of the
trial.
Q16. What was the chronology of events?
November 1, 1992: Start of activity alleged in indictment.
March 1993: Randal's 'door' program is discovered on mink and
changed to meet Intel's objections.
May/June 1993: Randal's 'gate' program is discovered on mink.
Randal is reponse to objections, asks for mink account to be
closed.
September 24, 1993: Crack runs started by this day.
October 28, 1993: Intel discovers crack program running.
November 1993: 'gate' is found running on Brillig.
November 1 1993: End of activity alleged in indictment.
Randal's residence searched.
March 1994, but before the indictment: Randal is offered the
change to plead guilty to one felony count.
March 14, 1994: Randal indicted on 3 felony counts.
Apr 19, 1994: Randal was scheduled to return to enter a plea
this day.
July 1995 (one week before the trial): Second plea bargain
offered. Prosecution offers to neither oppose or support
misdemeanor treatment before judge.
Jul 25, 1995: Randal convicted on all 3 counts.
Sep 11, 1995: Sentencing scheduled for this day.
Q17. How can I help? And does Randal keep his own version of
this story anywhere?
Send email to fund@stonehenge.com for more information about
Randal's version of these events, his defense fund, and
suggestions on how you can help. You will get an automatic
response and the content of the mail message will be ignored.
Q18. Where can I find more information?
The web site is http://www.usa1.com/fors.
There are two mailing lists: fors-discuss@teleport.com (The
Friends of Randal Schwartz discussion group) and fors-
announce@teleport.com (The Friends of Randal Schwartz
announcement list). Despite the name, fors-discuss has been open
to all viewpoints, and is the best place to follow the case.
Randal archives the past messages of fors-discuss at
ftp://teleport.com/pub/merlyn/fors.
The newsgroup comp.security.unix, comp.security.misc and
misc.legal.computing also contain some discussion of this case.
Archived news articles discussing the case can be batch
downloaded from
http://cheddar.nyswri.cfe.cornell.edu/news/batch.htm.
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743 East El Camino Real, #338, Sunnyvale CA 94087, jeffrey@best.com
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Schwartz case: police reports
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 23:54:08 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.security.unix,comp.security.misc,misc.legal.computing ]
[ Author was Mark Morrissey ]
[ Posted on 4 Sep 1995 22:16:14 GMT ]
I sent these to the FORS mail list, but they seem to be lost in the
black hole that is the teleport mail server. Since the FAQ is being
blasted to the world, I thought that these reports should make it out
as well. Note that the reports were enterred as evidence in the trial,
and to my knowledge, not substantially challeged.
There are two reports, one from Detective P. Lazenby and one from Detective
J. Lilley of the Washington County Sheriff's office.
I'll note that neither reports is a classic example of good grammar, spelling
or even word choice (some are quite funny, imo), but I have reproduced them
as they were written.
--mark
-------------------------------------------
Report of Detective P. Lazenby.
NARRATIVE:
On 11/01/93, writer assisted Sr. Deputy Lilley in the preparation of a
search warrant in regards to Randal Schwartz who had been illegally
bypassing computer systems and using a password cracking program to
obtain passwords to a computer system within Intel.
On 11/01/93, writer and other members of the Special Investigations
Unit served a search warrant at 12290 SW Butner Road, the residence of
Randal Schwartz. Detective Lilley execute the warrant and advised both
the Schwartz brothers of their Miranda rights. Writer made contact
with Randal Schwartz in the back bedroom where Detective Lilley was
interviewing him. Writer introduce myself to Randal Schwartz and we
talked about the incident Randal admitted to writer that he had been
using the crack program to get passwords and had obtained what he
thought was ten to twelve passwords. He advised that they were on the
"SNOOPY" program at Intel in a subdirectory "PLAY" under "STUFF.TAR".
Writer then asked Randal if he felt he was doing anything wrong.
Randal told writer that he was in fact violating Intel policy and he
also thought that he could be criminally prosecuted for these
incidents. I advised Randal that this was still under investigation
but under Oregon law, it could possibly be a misdemeanor or felony and
that if had used the phone lines to transfer any of the information out
of state, there could be federal crimes. I asked Randal if he
understood this and he said that he did. I asked Randal if he was
still willing to cooperate with us and he said that he was.
I asked Randall when he first got caught doing this and how he had done
it. Randal advised that he first had the "GATE" program on the "MINK"
computer a while back and he was caught and confronted by supervisors.
Randal said he stopped using "MINK" and that he switched over "GATE" to
"HERMES" and was doing that but "HERMES" was too slow so he went back
to "MINK" again. He was caught again on "MINK" so he switched "GATE"
over to "BRILLIG".
Randal advised that he was using "MERLIN" as his login on those
systems. I asked Randal why he was using the "CRACK" program to obtain
passwords and asked if he realized that these passwords would access
the SSD system. Randal advised that he did realize this and that he
was obtaining the passwords because he wanted to get his E-mail
quicker. I asked Randal if he ever logged in on SSD using any of the
passwords. Randal said first that he only logged in and logged out one
time and later, changed it to two or three times. I asked Randal if he
ever copied anything or looked at anything and he said that he did
not.
I passed this information on to Intel personnel and they checked the
machine under "STUFF.TAR" and found that there were at least forty to
fifty passwords that had been compromised and obtained by Randal. I
went back and confronted Randal with this because he had told me that
there were only ten to twelve. Randal then said, "I don't remember how
many exactly because I was just sticking them under the "STUFF.TAR" and
not really using them."
I asked Randal why he would need forty to fifty passwords and he said,
"I needed them in case they caught me doing it and knew they would shut
me down so the more passwords I had, the longer I could continue doing
what I wanted to do." Randal advised that he had the capability to do
it and he knew he could do it. I asked Randal if this was wrong and in
violation of Intel policy and Randal said, "Yes it is, but I knew I
could do it anyway." Randal said that he wanted to do it because he
wanted to be efficient in getting his E-mail very fast and he felt was
important and when they shut him down, he wanted to continue doing what
he was doing and since he had the capability to do it and knew he could
do it, he did it without permission.
Randal then told me that about one or two years ago, he was a SYS
administrator at Intel with SSD and that he would run the "CRACK"
program back then. Randal advised that this was a tool used to keep
passwords honest. Randal said that if you can break it with "CRACK",
bad guys can too. I then told Randal that if he knew this, and it was
a security measure back then, why was he doing it without authorization
now. Randal advised that he knew it was totally wrong and would get in
trouble if caught doing it. I then asked Randal if he remembered using
"CRACK" to enter any other systems to obtain passwords. Randal advised
that he used "CRACK" on the "ORILEY" system which is his publishers
back east and he obtained a password from them. I asked Randal how he
did this and he said he put "ORILEY" on "SNOOPY", used "CRACK" on it
and obtained the password. He said he did it just because he was
curious to see if "ORILEY" had any security. Randal advised that he
only got one password. I asked him if he ever used that password to go
into the "ORILEY" system and he said no. I asked Randal if he used it
anywhere else and he said that he used it on "TECHBOOK". Randal
advised that this is a bulletin board type system and that he used
"CRACK" on that system to obtain their passwords. Randal advised that
he did get a password and that he wrote to James D. at "TECHBOOK" and
advised him that he had done this as a way of making him aware of his
weak security.
I asked Randal if he remembered any of the passwords that he used to
log into SSD and Randal advised me that he remembers using the RonB
password to log into SSD and then to get out. Randal advised that he
never looked at anything, just went in and right out. Randal also
advised writer that at one time, he let Ed Bunch, a SYS administrator
at Intel know he had obtained SSD passwords. Randal was very vague
about how this had occurred and when asked what Mr. Bunch's reply was,
he advised, "No response, I don't think he really heard me".
Detect Lilley interviewed Randal Schwartz more extensively. Refer to
his report for more details.
---------------------------------------------
Report of Detective J. Lilley
NARRATIVE:
On 11/01/93 at 11:40 a.m., I met with the above mentioned Intel
employees at the Intel building where I was advised of their discovery
that one of their contract employees, Randal Schwartz, had been
illegally bypassing access gates to systems and illegally utilizing
password cracking programs to crack passwords to computer systems.
(Refer to attached report by Mark Morrissey for details).
On 11/01/93 at 6:35 p.m., myself and the above named individuals served
a search warrant at 12290 SW Butner Road at the residence of Randal
Schwartz. At the time of service, I read the search warrant in it's
entirety to Mr. Schwartz and his brother, immediately followed by
reading them their Miranda rights to which they both acknowledged
understanding. While the other Washington County Officers conducted
the search warrant, I conducted an interview with Randal Schwartz
regarding his activities at Intel and I was variously assisted in the
technical aspects of the interview by Mr. Cower, Mr. Stites, and Mr.
Pierce.
Initially, Mr. Schwartz admitted to me that he had in fact bypassed
access gates to Intel systems, explaining that the did this in order to
be able to receive "E-mail" messages at his work station in Intel.
While Mr. Schwartz admitted that he knew what he was doing was both
against department policy and, to use his words, "technically illegal",
he stated that his only intent was to make it more convenient for him
to correspond through computer mail at his work station rather than
having to wait until he got back home.
I then asked him about his use of the password cracking program "CRACK"
to break passwords that would allow him to access files in Intel
computer systems referred to as "BRILLIG" and Intel Supercomputer's
Systems Division (SSD). Mr. Schwartz freely admitted to me that he
had in fact employed the "CRACK" program to access passwords for both
"BRILLIG" and SSD but told me that his only reason for doing so was to
test both security systems that should have prevented anyone from using
the crack type program to access passwords.
I then began to go into these matters with Mr. Schwartz. As a result
of questions by me, along with information volunteered to me by Mr.
Schwartz, I learned the following from Mr. Schwartz.
Schwartz stated that he had been accessing Intel's "MINK" system by a
method known as "backdooring" until about April of 1993. Again, he
stated that this was in order to enable him to receive electronic mail
at his work station at Intel but at this point, Schwartz admitted to me
that while conducting this backdooring, he knew it was against Intel
policy and could possibly be considered a criminal act. Mr. Schwartz
admitted to me that he was confronted by Mark Morrissey and an Intel
employee by the name of Dirk Brandewie and advised that what he was
doing was not permitted and that he was to reinstall the appropriate
gates to the "MINK" system to prevent outside access, Mr. Schwartz
told me that he in fact did do that and that for a while, he attempted
to use another system known as "HERMES" but found that the Hermes
system was too slow for his needs and so he then wrote a new program,
different from the first, that enabled him to re-access "MINK" in order
to receive electronic mail. Mr. Schwartz admitted to me that he was
confronted again by Mr. Morrissey and Mr. Brandewie (about July of
1993) at which time, he was once again told that this activity was not
permitted and that he was to cease doing it.
Mr. Schwartz then went into some detail as to his activities regarding
access the "BRILLIG" system and the SSD system and the using of the
Intel "SNOOPY" system to speed up the accessing "CRACK" program to
obtain passwords to allow him access to the systems. At this point,
Mr. Schwartz readily acknowledged that not only was this activity
against Intel policy but there was no doubt in his mind that he could
also be found criminally liable for this activity. However, Mr.
Schwartz was very adamant that his only purpose in conducting these
exercises was to try and find out how hardened these two systems were
against attempts to crack their password codes using "CRACK"
programming or similar. Mr. Schwartz did acknowledge however that
another reason he was attempting to crack a "BRILLIG" password was that
his contract with the "BRILLIG" system was soon due to end and he
wished to ensure that he would continue to have password access to the
"BRILLIG" system after his contract ended and his personal password
revoked.
In response to our questions, Mr. Schwartz was adamant that at not time
did he ever actually access files using any of the cracked passwords
that he had obtained using the "CRACK" program. However, on further
questioning, Mr. Schwartz did admit to me that about three years ago,
while working at "I-WARP" (and Intel subsidiary) that he had, in fact
access files in the I-WARP system through a process known as "ROOT" and
that at that time, he had taken the further step of actually viewing
information from files he had accessed. He admitted to me that when he
had done that he had known at the time that what he was doing was both
against Intel policy and also illegal. However, again, Mr. Schwartz
denied that during his accessing of "BRILLIG" and SSD, he had never at
any time either viewed the contents of any file that he had accessed,
not had he made any copies of any kind of any of those files.
Through conversation with Mr. Schwartz, I learned from him that he had
worked for Tektronix between the years of 1978 and 1983 and that at one
point (he believed somewhere around 1981) he had actually been
suspended at Tektronix for engaging in similar activities. He also
went on to admit that he worked for a company called Tandem between the
years of 1986 and 1987 and that as an April Fools joke on one of those
years, he had also illegally cracked password and accessed files in
Tandem's systems. He stated that as a result of this activity, he was
actually "technically terminated" for about two hours. Mr. Schwartz
stated however that he was immediately reinstated by a supervisor who
took the point of view that in fact what Mr. Schwartz had been doing
was actually part of his job description which was testing security
systems within computer systems for Tandem. Mr. Schwartz stated that
in fact, at that point in time, he was writing a book about security
systems and that he was doing this in part as research for his book.
During the course of our conversation, Mr. Schwartz made mention of the
fact that on occasion, he had entertained private fantasies of engaging
in computer espionage but explained that they were merely idle
daydreaming and that it was not something that he had given any serious
consideration to. We began to explore this avenue in greater depth and
during further discussion, Mr. Schwartz admitted to me that in the
course of his espionage fantasy, he had given thoughts to such matters
as what type of information would be the most valuable to competitors,
what people or organizations would be most interested in this
information who would provide the greatest reward. On urging from me,
he admitted that he suspected that the Cray Organization would probably
be the biggest competitor who would be the most interested, and pay the
most for, any intelligence that he obtained from Intel systems.
Mr. Schwartz at first was very vague in his answers as to what
information he would obtain and where he would obtain it, etc.
However, on further discussions with me, he became more specific about
the types of information, how he would access it, and who he would take
it to. At one point, I asked Mr. Schwartz if he had ever taken any
active steps in carrying out this fantasy and his response to me was,
"I never to any steps externally to carry out this fantasy". I then
asked him if that meant that he had possibly contacted somebody within
the Intel cooperation regarding this fantasy at which point he stated,
"No, no, I meant externally beyond the tips of my fingers, outside my
mind."
Mr. Schwartz also discussed with the Intel personnel in the interview
with me more technical aspects of his activities within Intel and
outside companies that he had contracts with. These statements were
better understood and assessed by the Intel personnel. Refer to their
reports on those aspects of our interviews.
At 9:00 p.m., we concluded our interviews and the service of the search
warrant of Mr. Schwartz's residence and cleared to return to the
Washington County Sheriff's Office.
On 11/02/93, I served a search warrant at Mr. Schwartz's business
address at Stone Hedge Consulting Services, 4470 SW Hall St. #107,
Beaverton, Oregon, finding that address was merely a private PO Box
service and that Box 107 was a mailbox for Mr. Schwartz. On service of
the search warrant at that location, I learned that there was only
routing mail in Mr. Schwartz's box and did not see or find anything
that was covered by the search warrant issued.
It should also be noted that on 11/01/93, while serving the search
warrant at Mr. Schwartz's residence, Intel personnel at our direction,
shut down Mr. Shcwartz's work station at Intel in order to maintain
evidentiary integrity of that work station.
On 11/02/93 at 10:00 a.m., I gave Intel personnel the service copy of
the search warrant, authorizing the search of Mr. Shcwartz's work
station on Intel property.
Investigation ongoing. No further action taken to this date.
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Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.983postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Linux Cyrillic HOWTO
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:27:15 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.answers,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup ]
[ Author was Alexander L. Belikoff ]
[ Posted on 12 Sep 1995 18:50:18 -0400 ]
Archive-name: linux/howto/cyrillic
Last-modified: 12 Sep 95
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
*** The Linux Cyrillic HOWTO is posted automatically by the Linux
*** HOWTO coordinator, Greg Hankins <gregh@sunsite.unc.edu>. Please
*** direct any comments or questions about this HOWTO to the author,
*** Alexander L. Belikoff <abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il>.
- --- BEGIN Linux Cyrillic HOWTO part 1/1 ---
The Linux Cyrillic HOWTO
Alexander L. Belikoff, (abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il)
v1.0, 13 August 1995
This document describes how to set up your Linux box to typeset, view
and print the documents in Russian language.
1. Introduction
This document covers the things you need to successfully typeset view
and print documents in Russian.
There is some conflict between MS-DOG and Un*x Cyrillic codesets. In
MS-DOG, the most popular Cyrillic codeset is Alt (so-called
alternative codeset). In Un*x, however, the traditional codeset with
Russian characters is KOI-8. It is specified in the RFC 1489
("Registration of a Cyrillic Character Set").
The difference in two codesets is usage is pretty minimal (except the
TeX packages). Therefore, we will describe only KOI-8 codeset setup.
Various people put a lot of effort to create useful packages and
documents. These are listed through the text.
I appreciate any comments corrections and suggestions concerning the
document. Don't hesitate to contact me at abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il.
2. Further plans
The next version of this document will be accessible on
sunsite.unc.edu and tsx-11.mit.edu in HOWTO directory of the Linux
Document Project.
I am looking forward to include section on TeX and LaTeX and some
issues on Internationalization and Localization.
3. Setting up the environment
3.1. Console
All stuff needed for russification of the Linux console is contained
in the kbd package. The package is accessible at sunsite.unc.edu or
tsx-11.mit.edu. Usually, that package is already installed (it is a
standard part of at least Slackware distribution).
To setup the Cyrillic stuff, one should do three things:
1. Set the appropriate screen font. This is performed by the setfont
program. The fonts files are placed in /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts.
NOTE: Never run the setfont program under X or it will hang your
system. This is because it works with low-level video card calls
which X doesn't like.
2. If you use the font in Alt coding (as I do) then you have to set up
the screen mapping program to perform automatic conversion from Alt
to KOI-8. For that purpose use the mapscrn program and the
/usr/lib/kbd/consoletrans/koi2alt file.
3. Load the appropriate keyboard layout with the loadkeys program.
4. Output an ESC(K escape sequence on the screen (ESC stands for the
Escape character with code 033). Only God knows the purpose of that
combination. I stole it from the Danish-HOWTO
<file://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Danish-HOWTO> (thanks,
Thomas Petersen) and it works for me!
The following is an example of a script which sets up the Cyrillic
mode for console:
#!/bin/bash
#
# load cyrillic defs for console
#
# *** NEVER TRY IT UNDER X!!! ***
loadkeys /usr/lib/kbd/keytables/ru.map
setfont /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts/Cyr_a8x16
mapscrn /usr/lib/kbd/consoletrans/koi2alt
echo -ne 'ESC(K' # use the REAL ESCAPE character here !
echo "Use the right Ctrl key to switch the mode..."
3.2. The X Window System
Like the console mode, the X environment also requires some setup.
This involves setting up the input mode and the X fonts. Both are
being discussed below.
3.2.1. The X fonts.
First of all, you have to obtain the fonts collection having the
Cyrillic glyphs at the appropriate places.
There is a number of such fonts on the net. The author's favorite one
is the collection VakuFonts created by Serge Vakulenko (vak@kiae.su).
It can be found in the collection of cyrillic stuff for the X Window
System <ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/comp/xwin> where you
can find many useful packages for X.
Usually the X fonts are distributed in the BDF format which is
actually the textual font description. You should compile the fonts to
the PCF format using the bdftopcf command:
bdftopcf -o name.pcf name.bdf
It is also possible to compress the compiled font using the compress
program (I am not sure about the gzip support).
Now you should do three things to set everything up:
1. Put the compiled (and possibly compressed) fonts to the specified
directory. If that directory is not already known to the X server,
then you should make it known. To achieve that, add the following
commands to the xinitrc file (either local or global one):
xset +fp directory_with_fonts xset fp rehash
2. Recreate the list of fonts for the directory. Simply cd to it and
run:
mkfontdir .
You should run it once. This will upgrade the the fonts catalog file
fonts.dir.
3. If the fonts package provides the file of fonts' aliases (usually
fonts.alias) then append it's contents to the fonts' aliases file
in the directory containing the fonts.
After you have made the settings above, you can check the availability
of the new fonts by running the following command:
xfd -fn fontname
This should show the table of characters of the specified font.
3.2.2. The input translation
The switching between the different input translations is set up by
the xmodmap program. This program allows customization of codes
emitted by various characters and their combinations. It sets the
things up based on the file containing the translation table, usually
named ~/.Xmodmap. If you want to create your own table, refer to the
xmodmap(1). However such tables are generally supplied with the
various X Cyrillic stuff packages. The good example is the tables in
the perfect package by Serge Vakulenko described above.
Once you have such file containing the table, you should run the
command:
xmodmap filename
every time you start X. Modify your .xinitrc file to perform it. NOTE:
your .xinitrc can already contain the code to run the xmodmap over
your local table if the one exists.
The table distributed with the Serge's Vakulenko package didn't work
for the author. The following patch fixed the problem:
diff -u --new-file jcuken.xmm jcuken.xmm.mod
--- jcuken.xmm Mon May 20 09:11:36 1991
+++ jcuken.xmm.mod Sun Aug 13 15:44:06 1995
@@ -2,6 +2,8 @@
! Cyrillic keyboard mapping table.
! Produced by Serge Vakulenko, <vak@kiae.su>, Moscow.
!
+! Modified by Alexander L. Belikoff (abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il), 1995
+!
! Russian JCUKENG keyboard layout implemented.
! Cyrillic characters are entered in koi8 encoding.
!
@@ -10,7 +12,9 @@
! Use CapsLock as rus/lat switch key.
remove lock = Caps_Lock
-add mod2 = Caps_Lock
+keysym Caps_Lock = Mode_switch
+add mod2 = Mode_switch
+add lock = Mode_switch
! Key Base Shift Caps ShiftCaps
!------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now I can use the Caps Lock key to switch between normal and Cyrillic
input modes.
The author would appreciate the version of the table to support the
different mode switch key, say Alt or Control.
NOTE: The following is an excerpt from the list of new features
announced in the XFree 3.1.2:
Cyrillic fonts (using KIO8-R encoding) from Cronyx Ltd.
Unfortunately the author hasn't had a chance to check it yet.
4. Miscellaneous utilities setup
4.1. bash
Three variables should be set on order to make bash understand the
8-bit characters. The best place is ~/.inputrc file. The following
should be set:
set meta-flag on
set convert-meta off
set output-meta on
4.2. csh/tcsh
The following should be set in .cshrc:
setenv LC_CTYPE ISO-8859-5
stty pass8
4.3. remote access
Use 'rlogin -8'
4.4. emacs
The minimal cyrillic support in emacs is done by adding the following
calls to one's .emacs (provided that the Cyrillic character set
support is installed for console or X respectively):
(standard-display-european t)
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode))
(nth 1 (current-input-mode))
0)
This allows the user to view and input documents in Russian.
However, such mode is not of a big convenience because emacs doesn't
recognize the usual keyboard commands while set in Cyrillic input
mode. There is a number of packages which use the different approach.
They don't rely on the input mode stuff established by the environment
(either X or console. Instead, they allow the user to switch the input
mode by the special emacs command and emacs itself is responsible for
re-mapping the character set. There are, at least, two packages of
that type. One is cyr.el. It can be found in most Emacs-Lisp archives.
The other one is the package remap which tries to make such support
more generic. This package is written by Per Abrahamsen
(abraham@iesd.auc.dk) and is accessible at ftp.iesd.auc.dk.
4.5. less
So far, less doesn't support the KOI-8 character set, but the
following environment variable will do the job:
LESSCHARSET=latin1
4.6. ispell
Check the sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/academic/russian-studies/Software for
the russian dictionary created by Neal Dalton (nrd@cray.com) for the
ispell package.
4.7. Netscape
Set the following resource:
*documentFonts*registry: koi8
5. Printing
To print the text files containing the Russian characters using on
PostScript printers, you need two things: the fonts and the 8bit-aware
software able to print the texts using those fonts. The best package
to print the text files in PostScript is a2ps by Evan Kirshenbaum
(evan@csli) and Miguel Santana (miguel@imag.imag.fr). The last version
is 8bit-aware. You can get it from imag.imag.fr:/archive/postscript/.
Check the sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/academic/russian-studies/Software/ in
order to obtain the Cyrillic PostScript fonts. Also, there is a lot of
fonts in the SimTel <ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/SimTel/> collection.
6. Summary of the various useful resources
The remap package for Emacs <ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/>
Many fonts collections for X
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/comp/xwin>
Useful Cyrillic packages <ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/russian-
studies/Software>
The kbd package for Linux
<ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Keyboards/>
X fonts collections <ftp://ftp.switch.ch/mirror/linux/X11/fonts/>
rspell <ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/russian-
studies/Software/rspell.tar.gz>
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Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.984postmast,
From: panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Mijuskovic Veselin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:16:41 GMT
Mijuskovic Veselin (panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: ...
: Development paket. Inace, u sve je ukljucen i HP, pa ce zajedno da
: razvijaju poslovno okruzenje. Trenutno, HP je zaduzen da uklopi
: NDS u DCE (Desktop Common Environment), novi *de facto* standard za
: desktop Unix-e, i da sve poveze na svoju RISC arhitekturu i HP-UX.
Eh, kad Bog nekom uzme pamet ..., DCE je distributed computing
environment, API za distribuiranu obradu podataka, nezavistan od OS-a,
i to je ono u sta HP pokusava da uklopi NDS. Ono sto sam ja lupao je
CDE, common desktop environment, i nema nikakve veze sa gorepomenutim.
Sto rekoh, kad Bog nekom uzme pamet ...
--
Panzer
In real life : Mijuskovic Veselin Internet : panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
/Meeyoushkowitch Veselyn/ DECnet : UBBG::EMIJUSKO
unix.985postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:11:09 GMT
Misa Trivkovic (bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Budi hrabar i uradio ono sto i ja, fdisk iz dos-a i kreiraj na drugom disku
: particije iste velicine kao i pre, ovo ako je frka sa particionom tabelom, ako
: nije... :)
Ponekad je bolje upotrebiti DM (Disk Manager) ili DISKEDIT ili tako nesto,
jer sta ako je coveku disk veci od 520 MB , a ima obican IDE kontroler :))),
mada mi se cini da to nije ovde slucaju :)))
Vukota
unix.986postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:58:23 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-22-95 05:35 Zoranp@fon wrote:
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Zo> Pitanje da li si tada digao sistem sa boot diskete i da li radi LILO?
Zo> Ako radi LILO i
Zo> Ako je LILO instaliran na Linux particiji, ponoviti proceduru lilo
Zo> koja se vrsi posle nekih promena u /etc/lilo.conf. Preciznije moras da
Zo> proglasis da je root read-only, uobicajena poruka koja se javlja pri
Zo> svezoj instalaciji. Kod mene - InfoMagic 4-CD Set Linux 1.2.1 iz Marta
Zo> 95 se poruka javljala, po ubacivanju read-only system je mogao da vrsi
Zo> fsck root particije. Da li si ti imao ovu poruku i kako ti je root
Zo> particija bila setovana dok je sistem radio ? Iz tvoje poruke se vidi
Zo> da je radio fsck ( pitanje butovanja- sa diska ili sa boot diskete ?)
Zo> Da li uspevas da pri boot-ovanju sa boot diskete das opciju
Zo> mount root=/dev/hdb1 i da tako mountujes neku particiju, preciznije
Zo> ovde je to drugi disk ( /dev/hdb a particija 1 /dev/hdb1 ), i da tada
Zo> izvrsis fsck doticne particije ?
Kao prvo, ja mogu da dignem sistem sa prvog diska i da dobijem lilo prompt
i ostalo, ali samo mauntovanje drugog diska, tj. particije /dev/hdb1, ne
prolazi. Tada se javlja poruka o gresci, a ako dignem sistem sa root/boot
disketa i pokusam fsck, tada se javlja ona navedena poruka "block bitmap
264275204 for group 0 not in group" i fsck prekida dalji rad.
I nijedna njegova opcija ne radi nista osim sto prijavi istu gresku na
isti nacin.
Lako bih ja sredio lilo da je on problem, ali izgleda da je problem u
nekim podacima na /dev/hdb1 koji "omogucavaju" mauntovanje te particije.
Sta bi to moglo da bude, i kako da se sredi, nemam pojma.
Poziv za pomoc uz nadoknadu u obliku pica, a moze i soka, je i dalje
otvoren, uz moju ogromantnu zahvalnost svakome ko pomogne na neki nacin.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.987postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:58:30 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-23-95 23:11 Vukota@fon wrote:
Vu> Misa Trivkovic (bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
Vu> : Budi hrabar i uradio ono sto i ja, fdisk iz dos-a i kreiraj na
Vu> drugom disku : particije iste velicine kao i pre, ovo ako je frka sa
Vu> particionom tabelom, ako : nije... :)
Vu> Ponekad je bolje upotrebiti DM (Disk Manager) ili DISKEDIT ili tako
Vu> nesto, jer sta ako je coveku disk veci od 520 MB , a ima obican IDE
Vu> kontroler :))), mada mi se cini da to nije ovde slucaju :)))
Eh sad, fdisk nije bas resenje, jer ne zelim da si izgubim 100M podesenog
linuxa, ukljucujuci i picnuti Xwindows koji je jako lepo radio.
Plus gomilica sorsova koji su mi sad nedostupni itd itd itd...
A sta bih radio sa diskeditom kad on verovatno ni ne bi mogao da cita po
linux particiji? I gde da trazim gresku ako bi i citao?
BTW, disk je od 122M, quantum els127, na obicnom ide kontroleru i 386dx40,
mada ne vidim znacaj tih podataka.
BTW2, koristim ovu priliku da Vecxu i Dragishu posebno zamolim za pomoc,
jer ne znam dvojicu vecih znalaca linuxa.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.988postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: problem sa particijom
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:02:37 GMT
Helem, glede ovoga problema kod andre(j?)e, nisam se sretao sa slicnim, ali
posto otkazuje na pokusaje fsck/debugfs jedino sto mi ovako na suvo pada na
pamet je da se proba sa rezervnim superblokom ili kako se to vec zove.
Znaci, fsck /dev/hdb1 8191 ili slicno, ne mogu sada da se sjetim po kom
uzorku on to pravi, ali cu pogledam okolo. Preporucujem sljedece
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 776 Aug 25 02:47 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.lsm
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 430753 Aug 25 04:14 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 685 Aug 25 04:14 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.lsm
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 44235 Aug 25 04:16 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.ps.gz
unix.989postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:56:35 GMT
Eh sta sve nece kompjuter coveku da uradi... :(
Daklem, na mom kucnom linuxu, prilikom pokusaja uspostave term veze sa
galebom, koja inace radi, sistem mi je zaglavio tako da je potpuno blokirao
sve konzole, plus sto je ps na svakoj bio mrtav, a onda i ceo sistem.
Posle hard reseta, jer na soft reset sistem nije reagovao nikako, sledece
butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
"block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Pokusao sam fsck-om i debugfs-om nesto da uradim, ali nijedan program nece
ni da pridje particiji jer konstantno javljaju neku gresku.
Ne znam sta da radim, i kako da osposobim sistem makar da prebacim fajlove
na drugi disk. Ako neko ima neku predstavu sta bi moglo da bude uzrok ove
poruke i kako spasiti moje jadne podatke, neka mi javi pod HITNO!
A jos ako stvar uspe, ima pice od mene....
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.990postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic)
Subject: Gopher & ftp
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:56:52 GMT
Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
Dragoljub
unix.991postmast,
From: eotek@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Radojevic)
Subject: Re: Gopher & ftp
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:22:22 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
: gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
: Dragoljub
ln -s /home/ftp/pub /home/gopher/data/pub
ili kako su vec dirovi rasporedjeni :)
unix.992postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: Gopher & ftp
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:20:54 GMT
Dragoljub Nekic (dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) :
>> Kako da povezem gopher server sa ftp, odnosno da dobijem u
>> gopher meniju pub/ dir iz anonyous ftp-a?
Prosto. Kreiraj link na pub direktorijum. Na
primer ovako:
ln -s /home/ftp/pub "Anonymous FTP"
Kvaka 22 je u tome da onda gopher server moras
da startujes sa -c opcijom, sto znaci da ne radis
chroot pre nego sto udjes u gopher dir.
Nadam se da je jasno...
--
Miroslav R. Hristodulo
<miroslav@yucca.co.yu>
unix.993postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: xmsdos-0.1.6, a VFAT filesystem for Linux
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:02:14 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Gordon Chaffee ]
[ Posted on Sun, 10 Sep 95 13:54:35 GMT ]
Release: xmsdos 0.1.6
This is an alpha release of xmsdos, a VFAT filesystem that
can handle Windows 95 and Windows NT long filenames. Be warned, it may do
irrepairable damage to your directories and your disk. Most likely, it
won't. If you mount the filesystems as read-only, you shouldn't have
anything to worry about. It was tested on Linux 1.3.x and Windows NT 3.5.
It does not work on NTFS partitions.
Where to get:
mm-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/multimedia/linux/xmsdos/xmsdos-0.1.6.tgz
How to use:
Until the system is stable, the filesystem is called xmsdos.
When the filesystem is stable, I would hope that it may replace the
msdos filesystem. In order for that to happen, quite a bit more work
and integration needs to occur.
To load the filesystem:
insmod xmsdos.o
To mount a floppy:
mount -t xmsdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
Things to note:
If you use non-ASCII characters on Windows NT in a filename, you
will be unable to retrieve that file. Right now, this has not been
tested at all, so the results are unpredictable.
The makefile has -CCONFIG_MODVERSIONS turned on. If your kernel
is built without this on, you'll need to remove this from the Makefile.
If you find bugs, please send mail to chaffee@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu.
Please specify the filename and the operation that gave you trouble.
Acknowledgements:
Thanks to Galen C. Hunt <gchunt@cs.rochester.edu> for the very useful
information he provided on creating the short filename checksum and the
structure of the long filenames.
Thanks to Michael R. Gile <gilem@rpi.edu> for his information about
the case bits for the DOS filename entry and his excellent bug reports.
Thanks to Gilles Vollant <100144.2636@compuserve.com> for telling me
what was broken in the 1.3.x kernels. Gilles wrote doslfn, a package
with the same functionality as xmsdos. We intend to work together to
create an excellent combined package.
Thanks to Steve Searle <steve@mgu.bath.ac.uk> for finding a bunch of
problems with certain filenames under Windows 95. He provided fixes
and changes to the filesystem to make it work much more like the
Windows 95 implementation.
Additional thanks to Alain Knaff <Alain.Knaff@imag.fr> and
David C. Niemi <niemidc@clark.net> for comments in email discussions.
Gordon Chaffee
chaffee@bugs-bunny.cs.berkeley.edu
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unix.994postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: UUCP 1.06.1
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 06:45:03 GMT
[ Article crossposted from gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.mail.uucp ]
[ Author was Ian Lance Taylor (ian@airs.com) ]
[ Posted on Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:13:11 -0400 ]
UUCP 1.06 unfortunately had a serious bug, so I have decided to
release version 1.06.1. I urge everybody who has already picked up
1.06 to upgrade to 1.06.1. The diffs from 1.06 are small, so I have
included them in this message (they are also available from prep).
The complete 1.06.1 tar distribution is available from
prep.ai.mit.edu, and all the usual mirror sites. I apologize for any
inconvenience.
--
Ian Taylor | ian@airs.com | First to identify quote wins free e-mail message:
``[I]n Paris, for example, in 1660 there were 103 holidays in the year.''
diff -ur uucp-1.06/ChangeLog uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog
--- uucp-1.06/ChangeLog Thu Aug 10 23:35:01 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog Sun Aug 20 15:29:15 1995
@@ -1,3 +1,33 @@
+Sun Aug 20 15:12:36 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * Released version 1.06.1.
+
+ * uux.c (main): Make sure that the grade is between '0' and '9',
+ or 'a' and 'z', or 'A' and 'Z', in case isalnum accepts other
+ characters.
+ * uucp.c (main): Likewise.
+
+Sat Aug 19 23:15:21 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * configure.in: Check for seteuid.
+ * configure: Rebuild.
+ * config.h.in (HAVE_SETEUID): Define.
+ * unix/uid.c: If HAVE_SETEUID is defined, use seteuid rather than
+ setuid.
+ * policy.h: Change HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID comment to mention that it
+ does not work on 4.4BSD-Lite and NetBSD.
+
+ * Andrey A. Chernov: uuconf.h (UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL): Use BUCHAR.
+
+Wed Aug 16 21:23:39 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * uucico.c (flogin_prompt): Add pzsystem parameter, and pass it to
+ faccept_call. Change all callers.
+
+ * trans.c (qtransalc): Clear zlog field.
+
+ * Makefile.in (VERSION): Change to 1.06.1.
+
Thu Aug 10 22:42:53 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
* Released version 1.06.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/Makefile.in uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in
--- uucp-1.06/Makefile.in Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
SHELL = /bin/sh
-VERSION = 1.06
+VERSION = 1.06.1
MORECFLAGS = -I. -I$(srcdir) -DOWNER=\"$(owner)\" -DVERSION=\"$(VERSION)\" $(UUDIRFLAGS)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/config.h.in uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in
--- uucp-1.06/config.h.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:47 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:21 1995
@@ -230,6 +230,7 @@
#define HAVE_WAIT4 0
#define HAVE_GLOB 0
#define HAVE_SETREUID 0
+#define HAVE_SETEUID 0
/* There are several functions which are replaced in the subdirectory
lib. If they are missing, the configure script will automatically
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure.in uucp-1.06.1/configure.in
--- uucp-1.06/configure.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:48 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:22 1995
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
dnl This should be processed with autoconf to produce a configure script.
dnl Copyright (c) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Ian Lance Taylor
dnl
-AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel $])
+AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel $])
AC_INIT(policy.h)
AC_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)
AC_PREFIX_PROGRAM(gcc)
@@ -295,7 +295,7 @@
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(remove ftruncate ltrunc rename opendir dup2 waitpid wait4)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigsetjmp setret sigaction sigvec sigset)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigprocmask sigblock sighold getdtablesize sysconf)
-AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname)
+AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(gettimeofday ftw glob dev_info)
dnl Check for getline, but not in -linet, since ISC has an
dnl incompatible version there.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure uucp-1.06.1/configure
--- uucp-1.06/configure Wed Aug 9 21:01:30 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure Sun Aug 20 15:32:04 1995
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
#! /bin/sh
-# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel
+# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel
# Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles.
# Generated automatically using autoconf version 2.4
# Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
@@ -2606,7 +2606,7 @@
fi
done
-for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname
+for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname
do
echo $ac_n "checking for $ac_func""... $ac_c" 1>&6
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_func_$ac_func'+set}'`\" = set"; then
diff -ur uucp-1.06/policy.h uucp-1.06.1/policy.h
--- uucp-1.06/policy.h Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/policy.h Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -205,14 +205,14 @@
other than the uucp user uses it. */
#define HAVE_SAVED_SETUID 1
-/* On some systems, such as the DG Aviion and, possibly, the RS/6000,
- the setreuid function is broken. It should be possible to use
- setreuid to swap the real and effective user ID's, but on some
- systems it will not change the real user ID (I believe this is due
- to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On such a system you must
- set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do not, you will get error
- messages from setreuid. Systems on which setreuid exists but is
- broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
+/* On some systems, such as 4.4BSD-Lite, NetBSD, the DG Aviion and,
+ possibly, the RS/6000, the setreuid function is broken. It should
+ be possible to use setreuid to swap the real and effective user
+ ID's, but on some systems it will not change the real user ID (I
+ believe this is due to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On
+ such a system you must set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do
+ not, you will get error messages from setreuid. Systems on which
+ setreuid exists but is broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
#define HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID 0
/* On a few systems, such as NextStep 3.3, the POSIX macro F_SETLKW is
diff -ur uucp-1.06/trans.c uucp-1.06.1/trans.c
--- uucp-1.06/trans.c Thu Aug 10 22:46:40 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/trans.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:39 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.40 1995/08/11 02:43:32 ian Rel $";
+const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.41 1995/08/17 01:25:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <errno.h>
@@ -381,6 +381,7 @@
q->s.znotify = NULL;
q->s.zcmd = NULL;
}
+ q->zlog = NULL;
q->isecs = 0;
q->imicros = 0;
q->cbytes = 0;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c
--- uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c Wed Aug 9 21:00:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c Sun Aug 20 15:30:48 1995
@@ -29,6 +29,13 @@
#include "sysdep.h"
#include <errno.h>
+
+/* NetBSD apparently does not support setuid as required by POSIX when
+ using saved setuid, so use seteuid instead. */
+
+#if HAVE_SETEUID
+#define setuid seteuid
+#endif
/* Switch to permissions of the invoking user. */
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucico.c uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucico.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:43 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.190 1995/06/29 19:35:59 ian Rel $";
+const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.192 1995/08/17 02:03:35 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@
static int iuport_lock P((struct uuconf_port *qport, pointer pinfo));
static boolean flogin_prompt P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, struct sconnection *qconn,
- const char *zlogin));
+ const char *zlogin, const char **pzsystem));
static int icallin_cmp P((int iwhich, pointer pinfo, const char *zfile));
static boolean faccept_call P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, const char *zlogin,
@@ -693,7 +693,8 @@
{
while (! FGOT_SIGNAL ()
&& flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- (const char *) NULL))
+ (const char *) NULL,
+ (const char **) NULL))
{
/* Close and reopen the port in between calls. */
if (! fconn_close (&sconn, puuconf,
@@ -708,7 +709,7 @@
{
if (flogin)
fret = flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- zlogin);
+ zlogin, &zsystem);
else
{
#if DEBUG > 1
@@ -1708,12 +1709,13 @@
/* Prompt for a login name and a password, and run as the slave. */
static boolean
-flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin)
+flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin, pzsystem)
pointer puuconf;
const char *zconfig;
boolean fuuxqt;
struct sconnection *qconn;
const char *zlogin;
+ const char **pzsystem;
{
int iuuconf;
int istrip;
@@ -1722,6 +1724,9 @@
boolean fret;
struct scallin_info s;
+ if (pzsystem != NULL)
+ *pzsystem = NULL;
+
DEBUG_MESSAGE0 (DEBUG_HANDSHAKE, "flogin_prompt: Waiting for login");
iuuconf = uuconf_strip (puuconf, &istrip);
@@ -1790,8 +1795,7 @@
#if DEBUG > 1
iholddebug = iDebug;
#endif
- (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn,
- (const char **) NULL);
+ (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn, pzsystem);
#if DEBUG > 1
iDebug = iholddebug;
#endif
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uuconf.h uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h
--- uucp-1.06/uuconf.h Wed Aug 9 20:59:10 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h Sun Aug 20 15:29:44 1995
@@ -563,7 +563,7 @@
#define UUCONF_GRADE_LOW ('z')
/* Whether a character is a legal grade (requires <ctype.h>). */
-#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum ((unsigned) (b)))
+#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum (BUCHAR (b)))
/* Return < 0 if the first grade should be done before the second
grade, == 0 if they are the same, or > 0 if the first grade should
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.c uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:46 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.63 1995/08/02 01:22:53 ian Rel $";
+const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.64 1995/08/20 19:21:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -277,7 +277,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade)
+ || ((bCgrade < '0' || bCgrade > '9')
+ && (bCgrade < 'a' || bCgrade > 'z')
+ && (bCgrade < 'A' || bCgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bCgrade = BDEFAULT_UUCP_GRADE;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.texi uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.texi Wed Aug 9 20:59:16 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi Sun Aug 20 15:29:51 1995
@@ -5649,8 +5649,8 @@
Approved: news-answers-request@@MIT.Edu
Archive-name: uucp-internals
-Version: $Revision: 1.108 $
-Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/02 01:35:25 $
+Version: $Revision: 1.109 $
+Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/20 03:32:59 $
@end format
@end ifset
@@ -8288,6 +8288,7 @@
@code{tbr@@tfic.bc.ca} (Tom Rushworth)
@code{jsacco@@ssl.com} (Joseph E. Sacco)
@code{rsalz@@bbn.com} (Rich Salz)
+Curt Sampson @code{<curt@@portal.ca>}
@code{sojurn!mike@@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu} (Mike Sangrey)
Nickolay Saukh @code{<nms@@ussr.EU.net>}
@code{heiko@@lotte.sax.de} (Heiko Schlittermann)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uux.c uucp-1.06.1/uux.c
--- uucp-1.06/uux.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:22 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uux.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:57 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.81 1995/08/02 01:25:17 ian Rel $";
+const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.82 1995/08/20 19:21:42 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include "uudefs.h"
@@ -336,7 +336,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade)
+ || ((bXgrade < '0' || bXgrade > '9')
+ && (bXgrade < 'a' || bXgrade > 'z')
+ && (bXgrade < 'A' || bXgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bXgrade = BDEFAULT_UUX_GRADE;
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Letter to judge (Randal)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:57:04 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.security.unix ]
[ Author was Lyle Settle ]
[ Posted on Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:47:37 GMT ]
I am a friend of Randal Schwartz.
Following is my letter to Judge Bonebrake requesting
leniency in Randal's sentence.
I hope that all who have received benefits from Randal will
write letters of support. Please send your signed letter to:
Marc Sussman, Attorney at Law
New Market Way
135 S.W. Ash, Suite 600
Portland, OR 97204
(503) 221-0520
(503) 221-1908 (fax)
email: larryo@teleport.com
Many thanks, Lyle
==============================================================
Lyle Settle Writing Services
249 N 9th Street
San Jose, CA 95112
(408) 293-5757
Friday, August 25, 1995
The Honorable Alan C. Bonebrake
Circuit Court Judge
300 Washington County Courthouse
145 NE 2nd
Hillsboro, OR 97124
Dear Judge Bonebrake:
RE: State of Oregon v. Randal Schwartz
Washington County Circuit Court Case No. C94-0322CR
The purpose of this letter is to urge your consideration
of mitigating factors in the
sentencing of Randal Schwartz on September 11, 1995. As I
testified at his trial, I hold Randal in very high regard for
his prodigious technical skills, his integrity, his
truthfulness, his endearing personal qualities, and his
contributions to society. I have never known Randal to be
impolite, dishonest, dishonorable, envious of others,
perverse, or malicious in any way. Rather he has been a great
help to his fellow workers, to the companies he and they
served, and to hundreds of people worldwide.
First, permit me to reintroduce myself. I am 70 years of
age. At my expense I made the trip from my home in San Jose,
California, to appear as the last witness in Randal`s
defense. I have worked as a technical writer in the
computing business since 1962 and am currently employed as
Technical Writing Consultant for Visa International in San
Mateo, California. Attached is my current resume.
I have known Randal since 1978. We have worked together on
two jobs totaling about six years. On these jobs we worked
closely together for about 1,300 days. Although we are no
longer working together, I see Randal several times a year
when he visits the San Francisco Bay Area to teach Perl
classes.
I recruited the sixteen-year old Randal for my technical
writing team at Tektronix in 1978, where he performed
outstandingly--far beyond the call of duty and far beyond the
requirements stated in his job description. In my opinion, he
did the work of three ordinary people. He produced astounding
results that benefited Tektronix and the people around him.
Permit me to itemize (*) some of his accomplishments.
*****Randal received a division-level award for his
contribution that brought Tektronix $9,000,000 in revenue.
This was the opinion told to me by Mike Maerz, then Tek`s
Business Unit Manager and now an Intel Vice President. You
may recall seeing the plaque that Tek gave to Randal in
recognition of this contribution.
*****Randal created the department`s word processing and
automatic typesetting systems. The systems greatly improved
the productivity of about 30 writers. Furthermore, he
maintained the system in perfect working order through
several changes of equipment. All of this he did before the
days of desktop publishing. For its time Randal`s system was
a big accomplishment, especially when one realizes that he
did this in on top of his heavy workload of assigned duties.
*****Randal served as project leader on several books. Three
of his books won awards from the Society for Technical
Communication. Moreover, one of the Hughes companies
selected Tek as their vendor of choice because they liked
Randal`s books better than those of other vendors selling
competing products.
*****I left Tektronix in 1982 to join Tandem Computers, where
I worked for ten years. In 1985 I recruited Randal as
principal technical consultant and co-author of Tandem`s
Security Administration Guide . The guide was a required
document for the Department of Defense`s security
certification program.
*****A requirement of the Security Administration Guide was
that it itemize all possible avenues of intrusion into Tandem
systems and that it explain how to prevent such intrusions.
Digging into the bowels of the Tandem system, Randal found
several previously unknown avenues of intrusion. Some of
these Tandem could fix (and did). Others required special
security software tailored to the customer`s configuration
and security policy. To help customers, Randal created
software that system administrators could adapt to their
particular systems. The Security Administration Guide was a
great addition to Tandem`s library, eliciting dozens of
appreciative letters from Tandem customers and Tandem support
people around the world. The Defense Department`s
certification committee applauded the book and
told me that it contains exactly the
right information.
*****After publication of the Security Administration Guide,
Randal returned to his home in Portland. A year or so later,
Tandem was about to allow its customers limited access to the
Tandem network. Tandem security experts had taken extensive
precautions to protect against the possibility of customers
intruding beyond the allowed limits. Before allowing customer
access, however, Tandem contracted with Randal to try to
break past the allowed limits into parts of the network
reserved for Tandem people. Within a few minutes after his
arrival in Cupertino, he succeeded! Tandem treated his break-
in as a contribution to their security effort. They fixed the
loopholes and happily paid his fee.
*****While Randal was working in Cupertino, he assisted with
San Jose`s Albert Schweitzer Concert, an annual event I
organize to honor the memory of Albert Schweitzer and to
raise funds for poor and homeless people. Randal gave several
days to publicizing the event beforehand and to distributing
the proceeds afterwards.
*****Judging from his teaching schedule posted on the Internet,
Randal has taught Perl to nearly 1,000 new students since his
indictment on All Saints Day 1993.
I ask you to consider the following points:
1. Randal has no previous criminal record.
2. Randal has throughout his working life demonstrated a
strong commitment to work for the betterment of his
employers. Beyond a shadow of doubt, I believe this was true
throughout his employment at Intel.
3. Randal has deservedly received public recognition for his
contributions as noted in the preceding paragraphs.
4. Judging by the discussions following his conviction from
Internet correspondents all over the world, there are
hundreds of people who agree that Randal is an
extraordinarily fine person. He does not deserve harsh
treatment.
5. Already, Randal has received harsh punishment for his
activities.
6. Despite Intel`s charges at the trial, Randal
nonetheless helped Intel for several years. An enlightened
management would be grateful to him for awakening them to the
fact that their security procedures were flawed.
Thanking you for considering this request for leniency, I am,
Sincerely yours,
Lyle Settle
--
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Oregon v. Schwartz FAQ
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 23:29:56 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.security.unix,comp.security.misc,misc.legal.computing ]
[ Author was Jeffrey Kegler ]
[ Posted on 4 Sep 1995 13:43:34 -0700 ]
This is the FAQ for the fors-discuss (Friends of Randal Schwartz)
mailing list, now into its 3rd version.
==== Start of FAQ
OREGON V. SCHWARTZ FAQ (V3)
Disclaimer for early drafts: It is possible, as I have gathered
this material from miscellaneous mailing list messages, news
postings, and so forth, that it contains errors of ascertainable
fact or ascribes statements to people who never made them. I
regret both deeply. Please inform me of any such problems so I
may correct them immediately.
I have tried to represent people's views in their own words. One
disadvantage is this requires taking old postings. News is an
interactive medium, and one takes less care than in writing for
other forums. I am open to considering replacement language from
the same source, where the poster wants to revise his remarks.
Significantly changed or new questions are followed by an
asterisk.
FAQ Index
Q1. What is Oregon v. Schwartz?
Q2. Why the interest in Oregon v. Schwartz?
Q3. Who is Randal Schwartz?
Q4. What was count 1?
Q5. Why does Randal say he created the gateway?
Q6. Was the gateway authorized or unauthorized?*
Q7. What was count 2?*
Q8. What was count 3?
Q9. Why was Randal running crack? Was Randal authorized to
check security using crack?
Q10. What is crack and who should run it?
Q11. What is the most serious evidence against Randal?*
Q12. How does Randal explain his confession?*
Q13. Even if Randal is guilty, this does not seem like the sort
of thing you ordinarily prosecute. Why did they?
Q14. Was there no offer of a plea bargain?*
Q15. Besides Randal, who's who in this case?*
Q16. What was the chronology of events?*
Q17. How can I help? And does Randal keep his own version of
this story anywhere?
Q18. Where can I find more information?*
Q1. What is Oregon v. Schwartz?
The case in which Randal Schwartz was convicted on July 25, 1995
of three computer crime felonies.
Q2. Why the interest in Oregon v. Schwartz?
There are quite a few interesting aspects to this case. First,
cracker cases which come to trial are still somewhat unusual.
Second, the defendant. Randal Schwartz is the first wizard
convicted of cracking. That is, he is the first prominent
cracker who was already prominent for legitimate reasons. Third,
the circumstances. There appears to be no case made that Randal
was malicious, or had anything like what laymen recognize as
criminal intent. The element of "personal gain" necessary for
the theft counts was supplied by Randal confessing he hoped what
he did would make a favorable impression on Intel. Fourth, the
law. As the above would indicate, the laws, and the court's
interpretation of them, was very sweeping, and seems to
criminalize activity widely regarded as normal, helpful and even
necessary. Fifth, Internet security policy implications. In the
Morris case, it was clear the conviction strengthened computer
security. Here that conclusion seems most dubious.
Q3. Who is Randal Schwartz?
Randal is perhaps Perl's number one fan. His early and energetic
advocacy of Perl and his co-authorship with Larry Wall of that
language's most authoritative text have identified Randal with
Perl so thoroughly he is often mistakenly thought of as co-
inventor of Perl. (Larry Wall invented Perl alone.) Randal is
widely known through his generosity in answering perl questions
on the net, and he is an established and generally well liked
personality on the Internet. Randal is far from the
stereotypical cracker.
Q4. What was count 1?
Knowingly and without authorization altering a computer network.
This refers to Randal installing gateway programs on two
computers so he could access Intel computers from a remote
computer.
Q5. Why does Randal say he created the gateway?
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Mon, 14 Aug 1995
15:10:45 -0700): "I established what I believed to be very secure
ways of checking on my Intel email over the internet while I was
away from Intel (for the small number of weeks that I was out of
town), and having Xterms and X-emacs access my Xserver at Intel
while I was at my desk (part time). ('gate' and 'door' were in
Perl, making this what I believe to be the first time Perl code
is now a part of the public record. :-)"
Randal's claim of benign intent does not seem to have been
contested in court. Apparently malicious or criminal intent was
not a necessary element of this crime.
Q6. Was the gateway authorized or unauthorized?
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Mon, 14 Aug 1995
15:10:45 -0700): "Now, having said that, there's another flaw
with charge one. If, as Intel claims in the trial, that my
actions in March and June of 1993 (where I was told to modify
'door' and 'gate' to be more secure) are truly crimes, why the
heck was I allowed to work until November 1993? This seems to be
the case of moving the line drawn in pencil on the floor (not
visible under average light) to the other side of the room
without telling me, and retroactively deciding that something I
wasn't even disciplined for is now a crime. Gack."
Mark Morrissey on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Tue, 15 Aug 95 10:18
PDT): "In about March of 1993, Dirk and I confronted Randal after
Dirk found a program owned by Randal running on a machine named
mink that would allow incoming access to Intel from the Internet.
Dirk and I told Randal quite clearly and very explicitely that
access to Intel networks from outside of Intel was a violation of
Intel security policy. Randal seemed quite surprised and was
very apologetic, so I told him that we would handle the situation
internally and not involve Intel security. Since Randal didn't
seem to know the rules, I made sure that he understood them and
let him off with a warning. I informed Intel security that a
possible security hole had been found and resolved.
Mark: "Let me be very clear: Randal agreed to modify the program
so that it would not receive connections from IP addresses not in
the Intel domain. Later checking by Dirk confirmed that Randal
had installed this block (at least, this is what Dirk told me).
Mark: "Randal certainly understood that the problem was access to
Intel networks from outside of the company. I made this very
clear and he assured me that he understood."
The FAQ-keeper asked "Why leave the gateway running at all?" and
Mark Morrissey responded on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:42
PDT): "Randal told us that he used the program for making
connections out of Intel, which was the sole purpose for the
existence of the machine mink. This explains why the gate
program wasn't terminated."
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:44:03
-0700) gave a longer version of events as corrections and
additions to a scenario put forth by the FAQ-keeper. The
scenario began as follows:
1. Intel discovers 'door', labels it offending and orders it
changed.
2. Randal accepts the Intel policy, and changes 'door'.
3. Intel checks and passes on the changed 'door', seemingly
implicitly authorizing it.
Randal then picked up the story: "4. Randal abandons use of
'door' (allowing access to *any* inside machine once you get
through all of the security locks), shortly thereafter.
Randal: "5. Some substantial time later, Randal creates 'gate',
restricting access only to a single machine that does not contain
product data and believed to be reasonably secure.
Randal: "6. Dirk/Mark discover gate, decide that *that* isn't
secure enough. Randal says he no longer needs account if he
can't even run gate there, and asks for account to be closed.
They comply.
Randal: "7. Randal runs 'gate' on SSD machine, which has security
policy more accomodating and familiar.
Randal: "8. Months later, when Intel begins prosecution relating
to use of crack, they decide that events 2 and 6 are now
felonious action, when in prior instances, it hadn't even
resulted in even so much as a sanction or other disciplinary
action.
Randal: "So, some points here:
Randal: "I *never* *knowingly* disobeyed any guidelines handed to
me. My understanding of event 2 is that they were telling me
that 'door' wasn't secure enough because it allowed access to any
machine. I *never* ran 'door' in that fashion again. Ever.
Randal: "'gate' had a very narrow purpose, akin to what I was
doing for my group when I was at iWarp/SSD... access to a
specific, non-product machine. When Mark/Dirk disagreed with
even its use, I finally concluded that they were being even more
tight than SSD. So I moved the program back to SSD, where I
understood the policy to be more liberal. [ ... ] 'door' and
'gate' had entirely different access protocols and scope of
operation."
Mike Northam on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:16:19 -0700):
Mike: "Having worked at Intel as a contractor both within SSD and
in other Intel organizations, I can vouch for Randal's assertion
that SSD is 'different'. [ ... ] but my view is that SSD, being
more a research organization, is more "accomodating" than other
Intel divisions. And, since Randal had worked there for several
years previously, I can imagine it would seem 'more familiar'."
Mark Morrissey on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 95 22:27 PDT): Mark:
"I'll yield to Randal on the mink incident since I never saw the
second program, only the first. All I know is that I was told
that he had made the changes to the script that we saw to block
outside connections and at a later date I was told that the
blocks were removed and when confronted, opted to have his
account removed.
Mark: "This is consistent with his email on this subject and I
apologize for calling both programs 'gate'. Thanks for the
corrections Randal."
In response to my question, exactly which instances count 1
consisted of, Randal replied on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995
12:46:14 -0700): "door on mink (mar 93), gate on mink (may/jun
93), gate on brillig (nov 93)".
Q7. What was count 2?
Theft of a password file. This consisted of copying it from one
Intel machine to another.
Q8. What was count 3?
Theft again, this time of individual passwords decrypted from
that same file. Randal decrypted these passwords using crack.
Q9. Why was Randal running crack? Was Randal authorized to
check security using crack?
Randal L. Schwartz on on misc.legal.computing (09 Aug 1995
19:17:08 -0700): "I had never ever been instructed not to run
Crack while at Intel. I had started running it on my own
initiative while a sysadm at iWarp, and it was still being run
when I left iWarp/SSD in mid 92. Why no-one was running it in
oct 93 is *still* the question. (If they had, I suspect I would
not have discovered 48 passwords of 600 users, and that the vice
president's password was 'pre$ident'.)"
Mark Morrissey on comp.sys.intel,misc.legal.computing (2 Aug 1995
22:18:01 GMT): "But he *wasn't* a systems administrator for the
systems on which crack was being run (*I* was the systems
administrator for those systems) and he wasn't a systems
administrator for SSD at the time in question. Also, he *knew*
who to contact at SSD and failed to do so. At a very minimum, he
could have informed me and asked me to handle things. We did,
after all, sit next to each other."
Randal on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995 12:46:14 -0700): "I
walked out in a huff two months early on the iWarp/SSD contract.
This is part of the reason that I didn't immediately report my
results about the SSD security problem -- because I had left in a
huff, I wanted to make sure I had all my ducks in a row before I
cried wolf. And I couldn't bear to say it too early, so I got
pigeonholed into being a snake in the grass. (:-)"
Again, Randal's claim of benign intent does not seem to have been
contested in court.
Q10. What is crack and who should run it?
Crack is a program to find weak passwords by the direct means --
cracking them. The idea is that if a good guy can crack a
password, so can the bad guy. Of course, and unfortunately,
crack is a highly useful tool to bad guys as well.
From Cheswick & Bellovin, _Firewalls and Internet Security_, p.
245.: C&B: "If none of these [authentication devices or a "smart"
version of passwd] are used, crack your own password files and
weed out the weak ones. Crack is a well known and widely
distributed password cracking program by Alec Muffett." Far from
discouraging its use, CERT distributes it as
ftp://ftp.cert.org/pub/tools/crack. Perhaps ironically, one of
the people credited by Alec Muffet for help with this important
tool is Randal Schwartz.
Q11. What is the most serious evidence against Randal?
Of the material out so far, the police report, which contains a
lot of confession language attributed to Randal. The whole is
important to read. It is currently only available in Randal's
archive of fors-discuss. What follows are the most damning
statements:
Report of Detective P. Lazenby, quoted by Mark Morrissey on fors-
discuss (Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:32:24 -0700 (PDT)): "Writer then
asked Randal if he felt he was doing anything wrong. Randal told
writer that he was in fact violating Intel policy and he also
thought that he could be criminally prosecuted for these
incidents."
Lazenby: "I asked Randal if this was wrong and in violation of
Intel policy and Randal said, 'Yes it is, but I knew I could do
it anyway.' Randal said that he wanted to do it because he
wanted to be efficient in getting his E-mail very fast and he
felt was important and when they shut him down, he wanted to
continue doing what he was doing and since he had the capability
to do it and knew he could do it, he did it without permission."
Lazenby: "I then told Randal that if he knew this, and it was a
security measure back then, why was he doing it [ running crack ]
without authorization now. Randal advised that he knew it was
totally wrong and would get in trouble if caught doing it."
Reading of the whole shows its author to have considerable
knowledge of computer jargon, and Randal to have been surprising
familiar both with Oregon computer crime law and the elements
necessary to a full confession.
Q12. How does Randal explain his alleged confession?
Randal on fors-discuss (Sat, 02 Sep 1995 08:32:48 -0700): "I was
indeed read my rights before any questioning started.
Randal: "In a brilliant example of the all-around bad judgement
about this incident, I just started talking. You see, I was
determined to show that *nothing* was going on, and that if they
were considering me as having committed some bad act, they must
simply just not understand what I was doing yet. So I spent two
hours trying to educate them.
Randal: "Please, I've heard the 'next time, call a lawyer' 97
times. Spare me the private email about that.
Randal: "I've never had a run-in with the law before. I've
always thought cops were my friends. That's the way I was
raised. So, while this situation was different and scary, I
still thought that the guys sitting across the room from me
asking me questions were there to help me. Perhaps they could
even be a neutral arbitor.
Randal: "As it turns out, cops, like all of us, seem to have
selective hearing. I had somehow forgotten that. (I had
selective memory. :-)"
Randal on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995 17:45:11 -0700): "[ ...
] they should be read knowing that: (1) the cops had a tape
recorder in the car, but chose not to use it. (2) the cops had
*video* equipment at the office, but chose not to bring it. (3)
little or no notes were taken from a two hour 'interview' (aka
interrogation). (4) I tried to make the cops understand
everything that was happening, but I was very very stressed and
confused, because while this 'interview' was going on, other cops
were scouring my house, ripping out computer systems. (This is
not the usual sort of behavior at my house. :-) (5) I recall the
cops testifying that the information was very technical, and many
times hard for them to understand. (6) I *now* understand why
I'm not supposed to talk to cops without a lawyer present, as the
difference between what I understood to say and what actually
ended up on the paper is nearly night and day. (If you've had
the opportunity, recall the last time you were quoted in the
popular news media... :-)"
Mark Morrissey, quoted by Randal on fors-discuss (Sat, 02 Sep
1995 10:10:58 -0700): "I believe that the reports basically
substantiate what Randal has said publicly here. I don't think
that anyone will find anything that substantially conflicts with
his version. However, what I have found interesting from the
beginning, and about which I had several conversations with the
investigators regarding, is Randal's statement that he was
cracking passwords so that he could continue to read his email
even after he was terminated by Intel at the end of his contract
(and presumably no longer had an account). This is confirmed by
the Intel UNIX security expert (who is *very* good, I assure you)
who was present for much of the interview."
Randal in that same message: "My legal team has gone over that
statement with me in detail. We believe that it is actually a
very good demonstration that what they were understanding and/or
recording was different than what was in my head.
Randal: "It may very well be that I said, under the stress of the
situation, exactly what was in those reports. But my mind
sometimes races ahead of what I am saying, especially under
stress. As I have already said in this forum before, I answered
'yes' to the prosecutor's question of 'so you did this for
personal gain?', when in fact, what I was thinking of was 'well,
it was to keep my employment at Intel, and that benefits me
personally, so yes.'
Randal: "Clearly, viewing the record of my statements in the
clear calm of a situation removed from the original interrogation
reveals the lunacy. Why would I want to read *my* email after
*I* had been terminated??? The real question then for review is:
(1) what question did I think I was answering, and (2) what did I
say, and (3) what did I think I meant by that? I would say #2
can be answered by the police report, but we have to get to #1
and #3 to get the whole picture."
Mark quoted by Randal: "I have always believed Randal's version
with the one caveat mentioned above. This detail appears in
every report and was mentioned by everyone who was involved in
the interviews (which I was not, being at Intel preserving the
chain of evidence). It could simply be a case of nerves on
Randal's part, but I haven't had a chance to buy him a beer to
talk about things. The ramifications are evident: he appears to
have intended to leave gate running after he left the company and
intended to use other accounts and passwords for some reason -
the loss to explain this part."
Randal: "No, I intended continued employment and continued access
to my email while I was employed. Even if I misspoke. :-)"
Q13. Even if Randal is guilty, this does not seem like the sort
of thing you ordinarily prosecute. Why did they?
Randal L. Schwartz on fors-discuss@teleport.com (Mon, 14 Aug 1995
15:10:45 -0700) Randal: "Allowing me to opine for a moment, it
seems that as long as I was being innovative in directions that
didn't embarrass the vice president of SSD, I could experiment
all I wanted, because my overall net contribution to the company
far exceeded any hassle I was causing the grunts. And, both the
mail-access method and running crack were further attempts on my
part to be of overall benefit to the company. But we know how
these two turned out. :-("
John H. Woodard, an Intel lawyer quoted in the Oregonian:
Woodard: "I think it was good for all the high-tech companies
moving into this area that the county is willing to pursue these
types of crimes."
FAQ-keeper: Personally, this case has me afraid to change planes
in Washington County.
Mike Northam on fors-discuss (Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:47:47 -0700):
"My personal feeling (and this is pure speculation) is that there
were perhaps cracking attempts, possibly industrial espionage,
against some Intel systems which hold major corporate secrets
about the Pentium follow-on chip. Perhaps this kind of thing was
what caused the major reaction against Randal.
Mike: "What folks [ ... ] perhaps need to fully understand is
that hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake in those kinds
of ballparks. Finding a system accessible to the outside world,
in any manner whatsoever, bypassing the firewalls would cause the
alarm bells to ring, I've no doubt. But why, after it became
apparent that the 'attack' was benign, would Intel press for
felony charges?"
Q14. Was there no offer of a plea bargain?
Randal on fors-discuss (Fri, 01 Sep 1995 12:54:50 -0700): "1)
first offer, prior to *indictment* (mar 94): one felony. (At
this point, we weren't even able to figure out what they could
possibly charge me for, so I couldn't figure out why I was
possibly copping to a felony.)
Randal: "2) second offer, the week before the trial (jul 95):
wants to apply misdemeanor treatment for the crimes, I won't
stand in the way, but I won't suggest it either'. (This is
before the judge even gets to hear any of the evidence.)
Randal: "Both offers, obviously, were declined."
Q15. Besides Randal, who's who in this case?
Thomas J. Tintera, Senior Deputy D.A., was the prosecutor.
Alan C Bonebrake, Circuit Court Judge, was the judge at the
trial.
Marc A. Sussman is Randal's defense attorney.
Mark Morrissey was sysadmin of the system crack was run against,
and the person who discovered crack running. He testified at the
trial.
Dirk Brandaweighe was another Intel sysadmin who worked for Mark.
Detective P. Lazenby was one of those who searched Randal's
apartment. He filed a report containing many statements by
Randal full of confession language.
Sr. Deputy Lilley was another officer who participated in the
search. He apparently wrote a more extensive report, which as of
this version of the FAQ, the FAQ-keeper has not seen.
An Ed Bunch is mentioned in Det. Lazenby's report as an Intel
sysadmin who may have been told that Randal had found passwords.
John H. Woodard is an Intel lawyer, who observed much of the
trial.
Q16. What was the chronology of events?
November 1, 1992: Start of activity alleged in indictment.
March 1993: Randal's 'door' program is discovered on mink and
changed to meet Intel's objections.
May/June 1993: Randal's 'gate' program is discovered on mink.
Randal is reponse to objections, asks for mink account to be
closed.
September 24, 1993: Crack runs started by this day.
October 28, 1993: Intel discovers crack program running.
November 1993: 'gate' is found running on Brillig.
November 1 1993: End of activity alleged in indictment.
Randal's residence searched.
March 1994, but before the indictment: Randal is offered the
change to plead guilty to one felony count.
March 14, 1994: Randal indicted on 3 felony counts.
Apr 19, 1994: Randal was scheduled to return to enter a plea
this day.
July 1995 (one week before the trial): Second plea bargain
offered. Prosecution offers to neither oppose or support
misdemeanor treatment before judge.
Jul 25, 1995: Randal convicted on all 3 counts.
Sep 11, 1995: Sentencing scheduled for this day.
Q17. How can I help? And does Randal keep his own version of
this story anywhere?
Send email to fund@stonehenge.com for more information about
Randal's version of these events, his defense fund, and
suggestions on how you can help. You will get an automatic
response and the content of the mail message will be ignored.
Q18. Where can I find more information?
The web site is http://www.usa1.com/fors.
There are two mailing lists: fors-discuss@teleport.com (The
Friends of Randal Schwartz discussion group) and fors-
announce@teleport.com (The Friends of Randal Schwartz
announcement list). Despite the name, fors-discuss has been open
to all viewpoints, and is the best place to follow the case.
Randal archives the past messages of fors-discuss at
ftp://teleport.com/pub/merlyn/fors.
The newsgroup comp.security.unix, comp.security.misc and
misc.legal.computing also contain some discussion of this case.
Archived news articles discussing the case can be batch
downloaded from
http://cheddar.nyswri.cfe.cornell.edu/news/batch.htm.
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Schwartz case: police reports
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 23:54:08 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.security.unix,comp.security.misc,misc.legal.computing ]
[ Author was Mark Morrissey ]
[ Posted on 4 Sep 1995 22:16:14 GMT ]
I sent these to the FORS mail list, but they seem to be lost in the
black hole that is the teleport mail server. Since the FAQ is being
blasted to the world, I thought that these reports should make it out
as well. Note that the reports were enterred as evidence in the trial,
and to my knowledge, not substantially challeged.
There are two reports, one from Detective P. Lazenby and one from Detective
J. Lilley of the Washington County Sheriff's office.
I'll note that neither reports is a classic example of good grammar, spelling
or even word choice (some are quite funny, imo), but I have reproduced them
as they were written.
--mark
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Report of Detective P. Lazenby.
NARRATIVE:
On 11/01/93, writer assisted Sr. Deputy Lilley in the preparation of a
search warrant in regards to Randal Schwartz who had been illegally
bypassing computer systems and using a password cracking program to
obtain passwords to a computer system within Intel.
On 11/01/93, writer and other members of the Special Investigations
Unit served a search warrant at 12290 SW Butner Road, the residence of
Randal Schwartz. Detective Lilley execute the warrant and advised both
the Schwartz brothers of their Miranda rights. Writer made contact
with Randal Schwartz in the back bedroom where Detective Lilley was
interviewing him. Writer introduce myself to Randal Schwartz and we
talked about the incident Randal admitted to writer that he had been
using the crack program to get passwords and had obtained what he
thought was ten to twelve passwords. He advised that they were on the
"SNOOPY" program at Intel in a subdirectory "PLAY" under "STUFF.TAR".
Writer then asked Randal if he felt he was doing anything wrong.
Randal told writer that he was in fact violating Intel policy and he
also thought that he could be criminally prosecuted for these
incidents. I advised Randal that this was still under investigation
but under Oregon law, it could possibly be a misdemeanor or felony and
that if had used the phone lines to transfer any of the information out
of state, there could be federal crimes. I asked Randal if he
understood this and he said that he did. I asked Randal if he was
still willing to cooperate with us and he said that he was.
I asked Randall when he first got caught doing this and how he had done
it. Randal advised that he first had the "GATE" program on the "MINK"
computer a while back and he was caught and confronted by supervisors.
Randal said he stopped using "MINK" and that he switched over "GATE" to
"HERMES" and was doing that but "HERMES" was too slow so he went back
to "MINK" again. He was caught again on "MINK" so he switched "GATE"
over to "BRILLIG".
Randal advised that he was using "MERLIN" as his login on those
systems. I asked Randal why he was using the "CRACK" program to obtain
passwords and asked if he realized that these passwords would access
the SSD system. Randal advised that he did realize this and that he
was obtaining the passwords because he wanted to get his E-mail
quicker. I asked Randal if he ever logged in on SSD using any of the
passwords. Randal said first that he only logged in and logged out one
time and later, changed it to two or three times. I asked Randal if he
ever copied anything or looked at anything and he said that he did
not.
I passed this information on to Intel personnel and they checked the
machine under "STUFF.TAR" and found that there were at least forty to
fifty passwords that had been compromised and obtained by Randal. I
went back and confronted Randal with this because he had told me that
there were only ten to twelve. Randal then said, "I don't remember how
many exactly because I was just sticking them under the "STUFF.TAR" and
not really using them."
I asked Randal why he would need forty to fifty passwords and he said,
"I needed them in case they caught me doing it and knew they would shut
me down so the more passwords I had, the longer I could continue doing
what I wanted to do." Randal advised that he had the capability to do
it and he knew he could do it. I asked Randal if this was wrong and in
violation of Intel policy and Randal said, "Yes it is, but I knew I
could do it anyway." Randal said that he wanted to do it because he
wanted to be efficient in getting his E-mail very fast and he felt was
important and when they shut him down, he wanted to continue doing what
he was doing and since he had the capability to do it and knew he could
do it, he did it without permission.
Randal then told me that about one or two years ago, he was a SYS
administrator at Intel with SSD and that he would run the "CRACK"
program back then. Randal advised that this was a tool used to keep
passwords honest. Randal said that if you can break it with "CRACK",
bad guys can too. I then told Randal that if he knew this, and it was
a security measure back then, why was he doing it without authorization
now. Randal advised that he knew it was totally wrong and would get in
trouble if caught doing it. I then asked Randal if he remembered using
"CRACK" to enter any other systems to obtain passwords. Randal advised
that he used "CRACK" on the "ORILEY" system which is his publishers
back east and he obtained a password from them. I asked Randal how he
did this and he said he put "ORILEY" on "SNOOPY", used "CRACK" on it
and obtained the password. He said he did it just because he was
curious to see if "ORILEY" had any security. Randal advised that he
only got one password. I asked him if he ever used that password to go
into the "ORILEY" system and he said no. I asked Randal if he used it
anywhere else and he said that he used it on "TECHBOOK". Randal
advised that this is a bulletin board type system and that he used
"CRACK" on that system to obtain their passwords. Randal advised that
he did get a password and that he wrote to James D. at "TECHBOOK" and
advised him that he had done this as a way of making him aware of his
weak security.
I asked Randal if he remembered any of the passwords that he used to
log into SSD and Randal advised me that he remembers using the RonB
password to log into SSD and then to get out. Randal advised that he
never looked at anything, just went in and right out. Randal also
advised writer that at one time, he let Ed Bunch, a SYS administrator
at Intel know he had obtained SSD passwords. Randal was very vague
about how this had occurred and when asked what Mr. Bunch's reply was,
he advised, "No response, I don't think he really heard me".
Detect Lilley interviewed Randal Schwartz more extensively. Refer to
his report for more details.
---------------------------------------------
Report of Detective J. Lilley
NARRATIVE:
On 11/01/93 at 11:40 a.m., I met with the above mentioned Intel
employees at the Intel building where I was advised of their discovery
that one of their contract employees, Randal Schwartz, had been
illegally bypassing access gates to systems and illegally utilizing
password cracking programs to crack passwords to computer systems.
(Refer to attached report by Mark Morrissey for details).
On 11/01/93 at 6:35 p.m., myself and the above named individuals served
a search warrant at 12290 SW Butner Road at the residence of Randal
Schwartz. At the time of service, I read the search warrant in it's
entirety to Mr. Schwartz and his brother, immediately followed by
reading them their Miranda rights to which they both acknowledged
understanding. While the other Washington County Officers conducted
the search warrant, I conducted an interview with Randal Schwartz
regarding his activities at Intel and I was variously assisted in the
technical aspects of the interview by Mr. Cower, Mr. Stites, and Mr.
Pierce.
Initially, Mr. Schwartz admitted to me that he had in fact bypassed
access gates to Intel systems, explaining that the did this in order to
be able to receive "E-mail" messages at his work station in Intel.
While Mr. Schwartz admitted that he knew what he was doing was both
against department policy and, to use his words, "technically illegal",
he stated that his only intent was to make it more convenient for him
to correspond through computer mail at his work station rather than
having to wait until he got back home.
I then asked him about his use of the password cracking program "CRACK"
to break passwords that would allow him to access files in Intel
computer systems referred to as "BRILLIG" and Intel Supercomputer's
Systems Division (SSD). Mr. Schwartz freely admitted to me that he
had in fact employed the "CRACK" program to access passwords for both
"BRILLIG" and SSD but told me that his only reason for doing so was to
test both security systems that should have prevented anyone from using
the crack type program to access passwords.
I then began to go into these matters with Mr. Schwartz. As a result
of questions by me, along with information volunteered to me by Mr.
Schwartz, I learned the following from Mr. Schwartz.
Schwartz stated that he had been accessing Intel's "MINK" system by a
method known as "backdooring" until about April of 1993. Again, he
stated that this was in order to enable him to receive electronic mail
at his work station at Intel but at this point, Schwartz admitted to me
that while conducting this backdooring, he knew it was against Intel
policy and could possibly be considered a criminal act. Mr. Schwartz
admitted to me that he was confronted by Mark Morrissey and an Intel
employee by the name of Dirk Brandewie and advised that what he was
doing was not permitted and that he was to reinstall the appropriate
gates to the "MINK" system to prevent outside access, Mr. Schwartz
told me that he in fact did do that and that for a while, he attempted
to use another system known as "HERMES" but found that the Hermes
system was too slow for his needs and so he then wrote a new program,
different from the first, that enabled him to re-access "MINK" in order
to receive electronic mail. Mr. Schwartz admitted to me that he was
confronted again by Mr. Morrissey and Mr. Brandewie (about July of
1993) at which time, he was once again told that this activity was not
permitted and that he was to cease doing it.
Mr. Schwartz then went into some detail as to his activities regarding
access the "BRILLIG" system and the SSD system and the using of the
Intel "SNOOPY" system to speed up the accessing "CRACK" program to
obtain passwords to allow him access to the systems. At this point,
Mr. Schwartz readily acknowledged that not only was this activity
against Intel policy but there was no doubt in his mind that he could
also be found criminally liable for this activity. However, Mr.
Schwartz was very adamant that his only purpose in conducting these
exercises was to try and find out how hardened these two systems were
against attempts to crack their password codes using "CRACK"
programming or similar. Mr. Schwartz did acknowledge however that
another reason he was attempting to crack a "BRILLIG" password was that
his contract with the "BRILLIG" system was soon due to end and he
wished to ensure that he would continue to have password access to the
"BRILLIG" system after his contract ended and his personal password
revoked.
In response to our questions, Mr. Schwartz was adamant that at not time
did he ever actually access files using any of the cracked passwords
that he had obtained using the "CRACK" program. However, on further
questioning, Mr. Schwartz did admit to me that about three years ago,
while working at "I-WARP" (and Intel subsidiary) that he had, in fact
access files in the I-WARP system through a process known as "ROOT" and
that at that time, he had taken the further step of actually viewing
information from files he had accessed. He admitted to me that when he
had done that he had known at the time that what he was doing was both
against Intel policy and also illegal. However, again, Mr. Schwartz
denied that during his accessing of "BRILLIG" and SSD, he had never at
any time either viewed the contents of any file that he had accessed,
not had he made any copies of any kind of any of those files.
Through conversation with Mr. Schwartz, I learned from him that he had
worked for Tektronix between the years of 1978 and 1983 and that at one
point (he believed somewhere around 1981) he had actually been
suspended at Tektronix for engaging in similar activities. He also
went on to admit that he worked for a company called Tandem between the
years of 1986 and 1987 and that as an April Fools joke on one of those
years, he had also illegally cracked password and accessed files in
Tandem's systems. He stated that as a result of this activity, he was
actually "technically terminated" for about two hours. Mr. Schwartz
stated however that he was immediately reinstated by a supervisor who
took the point of view that in fact what Mr. Schwartz had been doing
was actually part of his job description which was testing security
systems within computer systems for Tandem. Mr. Schwartz stated that
in fact, at that point in time, he was writing a book about security
systems and that he was doing this in part as research for his book.
During the course of our conversation, Mr. Schwartz made mention of the
fact that on occasion, he had entertained private fantasies of engaging
in computer espionage but explained that they were merely idle
daydreaming and that it was not something that he had given any serious
consideration to. We began to explore this avenue in greater depth and
during further discussion, Mr. Schwartz admitted to me that in the
course of his espionage fantasy, he had given thoughts to such matters
as what type of information would be the most valuable to competitors,
what people or organizations would be most interested in this
information who would provide the greatest reward. On urging from me,
he admitted that he suspected that the Cray Organization would probably
be the biggest competitor who would be the most interested, and pay the
most for, any intelligence that he obtained from Intel systems.
Mr. Schwartz at first was very vague in his answers as to what
information he would obtain and where he would obtain it, etc.
However, on further discussions with me, he became more specific about
the types of information, how he would access it, and who he would take
it to. At one point, I asked Mr. Schwartz if he had ever taken any
active steps in carrying out this fantasy and his response to me was,
"I never to any steps externally to carry out this fantasy". I then
asked him if that meant that he had possibly contacted somebody within
the Intel cooperation regarding this fantasy at which point he stated,
"No, no, I meant externally beyond the tips of my fingers, outside my
mind."
Mr. Schwartz also discussed with the Intel personnel in the interview
with me more technical aspects of his activities within Intel and
outside companies that he had contracts with. These statements were
better understood and assessed by the Intel personnel. Refer to their
reports on those aspects of our interviews.
At 9:00 p.m., we concluded our interviews and the service of the search
warrant of Mr. Schwartz's residence and cleared to return to the
Washington County Sheriff's Office.
On 11/02/93, I served a search warrant at Mr. Schwartz's business
address at Stone Hedge Consulting Services, 4470 SW Hall St. #107,
Beaverton, Oregon, finding that address was merely a private PO Box
service and that Box 107 was a mailbox for Mr. Schwartz. On service of
the search warrant at that location, I learned that there was only
routing mail in Mr. Schwartz's box and did not see or find anything
that was covered by the search warrant issued.
It should also be noted that on 11/01/93, while serving the search
warrant at Mr. Schwartz's residence, Intel personnel at our direction,
shut down Mr. Shcwartz's work station at Intel in order to maintain
evidentiary integrity of that work station.
On 11/02/93 at 10:00 a.m., I gave Intel personnel the service copy of
the search warrant, authorizing the search of Mr. Shcwartz's work
station on Intel property.
Investigation ongoing. No further action taken to this date.
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anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.998postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Linux Cyrillic HOWTO
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:27:15 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.answers,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup ]
[ Author was Alexander L. Belikoff ]
[ Posted on 12 Sep 1995 18:50:18 -0400 ]
Archive-name: linux/howto/cyrillic
Last-modified: 12 Sep 95
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*** The Linux Cyrillic HOWTO is posted automatically by the Linux
*** HOWTO coordinator, Greg Hankins <gregh@sunsite.unc.edu>. Please
*** direct any comments or questions about this HOWTO to the author,
*** Alexander L. Belikoff <abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il>.
- --- BEGIN Linux Cyrillic HOWTO part 1/1 ---
The Linux Cyrillic HOWTO
Alexander L. Belikoff, (abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il)
v1.0, 13 August 1995
This document describes how to set up your Linux box to typeset, view
and print the documents in Russian language.
1. Introduction
This document covers the things you need to successfully typeset view
and print documents in Russian.
There is some conflict between MS-DOG and Un*x Cyrillic codesets. In
MS-DOG, the most popular Cyrillic codeset is Alt (so-called
alternative codeset). In Un*x, however, the traditional codeset with
Russian characters is KOI-8. It is specified in the RFC 1489
("Registration of a Cyrillic Character Set").
The difference in two codesets is usage is pretty minimal (except the
TeX packages). Therefore, we will describe only KOI-8 codeset setup.
Various people put a lot of effort to create useful packages and
documents. These are listed through the text.
I appreciate any comments corrections and suggestions concerning the
document. Don't hesitate to contact me at abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il.
2. Further plans
The next version of this document will be accessible on
sunsite.unc.edu and tsx-11.mit.edu in HOWTO directory of the Linux
Document Project.
I am looking forward to include section on TeX and LaTeX and some
issues on Internationalization and Localization.
3. Setting up the environment
3.1. Console
All stuff needed for russification of the Linux console is contained
in the kbd package. The package is accessible at sunsite.unc.edu or
tsx-11.mit.edu. Usually, that package is already installed (it is a
standard part of at least Slackware distribution).
To setup the Cyrillic stuff, one should do three things:
1. Set the appropriate screen font. This is performed by the setfont
program. The fonts files are placed in /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts.
NOTE: Never run the setfont program under X or it will hang your
system. This is because it works with low-level video card calls
which X doesn't like.
2. If you use the font in Alt coding (as I do) then you have to set up
the screen mapping program to perform automatic conversion from Alt
to KOI-8. For that purpose use the mapscrn program and the
/usr/lib/kbd/consoletrans/koi2alt file.
3. Load the appropriate keyboard layout with the loadkeys program.
4. Output an ESC(K escape sequence on the screen (ESC stands for the
Escape character with code 033). Only God knows the purpose of that
combination. I stole it from the Danish-HOWTO
<file://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Danish-HOWTO> (thanks,
Thomas Petersen) and it works for me!
The following is an example of a script which sets up the Cyrillic
mode for console:
#!/bin/bash
#
# load cyrillic defs for console
#
# *** NEVER TRY IT UNDER X!!! ***
loadkeys /usr/lib/kbd/keytables/ru.map
setfont /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts/Cyr_a8x16
mapscrn /usr/lib/kbd/consoletrans/koi2alt
echo -ne 'ESC(K' # use the REAL ESCAPE character here !
echo "Use the right Ctrl key to switch the mode..."
3.2. The X Window System
Like the console mode, the X environment also requires some setup.
This involves setting up the input mode and the X fonts. Both are
being discussed below.
3.2.1. The X fonts.
First of all, you have to obtain the fonts collection having the
Cyrillic glyphs at the appropriate places.
There is a number of such fonts on the net. The author's favorite one
is the collection VakuFonts created by Serge Vakulenko (vak@kiae.su).
It can be found in the collection of cyrillic stuff for the X Window
System <ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/comp/xwin> where you
can find many useful packages for X.
Usually the X fonts are distributed in the BDF format which is
actually the textual font description. You should compile the fonts to
the PCF format using the bdftopcf command:
bdftopcf -o name.pcf name.bdf
It is also possible to compress the compiled font using the compress
program (I am not sure about the gzip support).
Now you should do three things to set everything up:
1. Put the compiled (and possibly compressed) fonts to the specified
directory. If that directory is not already known to the X server,
then you should make it known. To achieve that, add the following
commands to the xinitrc file (either local or global one):
xset +fp directory_with_fonts xset fp rehash
2. Recreate the list of fonts for the directory. Simply cd to it and
run:
mkfontdir .
You should run it once. This will upgrade the the fonts catalog file
fonts.dir.
3. If the fonts package provides the file of fonts' aliases (usually
fonts.alias) then append it's contents to the fonts' aliases file
in the directory containing the fonts.
After you have made the settings above, you can check the availability
of the new fonts by running the following command:
xfd -fn fontname
This should show the table of characters of the specified font.
3.2.2. The input translation
The switching between the different input translations is set up by
the xmodmap program. This program allows customization of codes
emitted by various characters and their combinations. It sets the
things up based on the file containing the translation table, usually
named ~/.Xmodmap. If you want to create your own table, refer to the
xmodmap(1). However such tables are generally supplied with the
various X Cyrillic stuff packages. The good example is the tables in
the perfect package by Serge Vakulenko described above.
Once you have such file containing the table, you should run the
command:
xmodmap filename
every time you start X. Modify your .xinitrc file to perform it. NOTE:
your .xinitrc can already contain the code to run the xmodmap over
your local table if the one exists.
The table distributed with the Serge's Vakulenko package didn't work
for the author. The following patch fixed the problem:
diff -u --new-file jcuken.xmm jcuken.xmm.mod
--- jcuken.xmm Mon May 20 09:11:36 1991
+++ jcuken.xmm.mod Sun Aug 13 15:44:06 1995
@@ -2,6 +2,8 @@
! Cyrillic keyboard mapping table.
! Produced by Serge Vakulenko, <vak@kiae.su>, Moscow.
!
+! Modified by Alexander L. Belikoff (abel@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il), 1995
+!
! Russian JCUKENG keyboard layout implemented.
! Cyrillic characters are entered in koi8 encoding.
!
@@ -10,7 +12,9 @@
! Use CapsLock as rus/lat switch key.
remove lock = Caps_Lock
-add mod2 = Caps_Lock
+keysym Caps_Lock = Mode_switch
+add mod2 = Mode_switch
+add lock = Mode_switch
! Key Base Shift Caps ShiftCaps
!------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now I can use the Caps Lock key to switch between normal and Cyrillic
input modes.
The author would appreciate the version of the table to support the
different mode switch key, say Alt or Control.
NOTE: The following is an excerpt from the list of new features
announced in the XFree 3.1.2:
Cyrillic fonts (using KIO8-R encoding) from Cronyx Ltd.
Unfortunately the author hasn't had a chance to check it yet.
4. Miscellaneous utilities setup
4.1. bash
Three variables should be set on order to make bash understand the
8-bit characters. The best place is ~/.inputrc file. The following
should be set:
set meta-flag on
set convert-meta off
set output-meta on
4.2. csh/tcsh
The following should be set in .cshrc:
setenv LC_CTYPE ISO-8859-5
stty pass8
4.3. remote access
Use 'rlogin -8'
4.4. emacs
The minimal cyrillic support in emacs is done by adding the following
calls to one's .emacs (provided that the Cyrillic character set
support is installed for console or X respectively):
(standard-display-european t)
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode))
(nth 1 (current-input-mode))
0)
This allows the user to view and input documents in Russian.
However, such mode is not of a big convenience because emacs doesn't
recognize the usual keyboard commands while set in Cyrillic input
mode. There is a number of packages which use the different approach.
They don't rely on the input mode stuff established by the environment
(either X or console. Instead, they allow the user to switch the input
mode by the special emacs command and emacs itself is responsible for
re-mapping the character set. There are, at least, two packages of
that type. One is cyr.el. It can be found in most Emacs-Lisp archives.
The other one is the package remap which tries to make such support
more generic. This package is written by Per Abrahamsen
(abraham@iesd.auc.dk) and is accessible at ftp.iesd.auc.dk.
4.5. less
So far, less doesn't support the KOI-8 character set, but the
following environment variable will do the job:
LESSCHARSET=latin1
4.6. ispell
Check the sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/academic/russian-studies/Software for
the russian dictionary created by Neal Dalton (nrd@cray.com) for the
ispell package.
4.7. Netscape
Set the following resource:
*documentFonts*registry: koi8
5. Printing
To print the text files containing the Russian characters using on
PostScript printers, you need two things: the fonts and the 8bit-aware
software able to print the texts using those fonts. The best package
to print the text files in PostScript is a2ps by Evan Kirshenbaum
(evan@csli) and Miguel Santana (miguel@imag.imag.fr). The last version
is 8bit-aware. You can get it from imag.imag.fr:/archive/postscript/.
Check the sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/academic/russian-studies/Software/ in
order to obtain the Cyrillic PostScript fonts. Also, there is a lot of
fonts in the SimTel <ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/SimTel/> collection.
6. Summary of the various useful resources
The remap package for Emacs <ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/>
Many fonts collections for X
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/comp/xwin>
Useful Cyrillic packages <ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/russian-
studies/Software>
The kbd package for Linux
<ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Keyboards/>
X fonts collections <ftp://ftp.switch.ch/mirror/linux/X11/fonts/>
rspell <ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/russian-
studies/Software/rspell.tar.gz>
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Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.999postmast,
From: panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Mijuskovic Veselin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:16:41 GMT
Mijuskovic Veselin (panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: ...
: Development paket. Inace, u sve je ukljucen i HP, pa ce zajedno da
: razvijaju poslovno okruzenje. Trenutno, HP je zaduzen da uklopi
: NDS u DCE (Desktop Common Environment), novi *de facto* standard za
: desktop Unix-e, i da sve poveze na svoju RISC arhitekturu i HP-UX.
Eh, kad Bog nekom uzme pamet ..., DCE je distributed computing
environment, API za distribuiranu obradu podataka, nezavistan od OS-a,
i to je ono u sta HP pokusava da uklopi NDS. Ono sto sam ja lupao je
CDE, common desktop environment, i nema nikakve veze sa gorepomenutim.
Sto rekoh, kad Bog nekom uzme pamet ...
--
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In real life : Mijuskovic Veselin Internet : panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
/Meeyoushkowitch Veselyn/ DECnet : UBBG::EMIJUSKO
unix.1000postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:11:09 GMT
Misa Trivkovic (bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Budi hrabar i uradio ono sto i ja, fdisk iz dos-a i kreiraj na drugom disku
: particije iste velicine kao i pre, ovo ako je frka sa particionom tabelom, ako
: nije... :)
Ponekad je bolje upotrebiti DM (Disk Manager) ili DISKEDIT ili tako nesto,
jer sta ako je coveku disk veci od 520 MB , a ima obican IDE kontroler :))),
mada mi se cini da to nije ovde slucaju :)))
Vukota
unix.1001postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:58:23 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-22-95 05:35 Zoranp@fon wrote:
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Zo> Pitanje da li si tada digao sistem sa boot diskete i da li radi LILO?
Zo> Ako radi LILO i
Zo> Ako je LILO instaliran na Linux particiji, ponoviti proceduru lilo
Zo> koja se vrsi posle nekih promena u /etc/lilo.conf. Preciznije moras da
Zo> proglasis da je root read-only, uobicajena poruka koja se javlja pri
Zo> svezoj instalaciji. Kod mene - InfoMagic 4-CD Set Linux 1.2.1 iz Marta
Zo> 95 se poruka javljala, po ubacivanju read-only system je mogao da vrsi
Zo> fsck root particije. Da li si ti imao ovu poruku i kako ti je root
Zo> particija bila setovana dok je sistem radio ? Iz tvoje poruke se vidi
Zo> da je radio fsck ( pitanje butovanja- sa diska ili sa boot diskete ?)
Zo> Da li uspevas da pri boot-ovanju sa boot diskete das opciju
Zo> mount root=/dev/hdb1 i da tako mountujes neku particiju, preciznije
Zo> ovde je to drugi disk ( /dev/hdb a particija 1 /dev/hdb1 ), i da tada
Zo> izvrsis fsck doticne particije ?
Kao prvo, ja mogu da dignem sistem sa prvog diska i da dobijem lilo prompt
i ostalo, ali samo mauntovanje drugog diska, tj. particije /dev/hdb1, ne
prolazi. Tada se javlja poruka o gresci, a ako dignem sistem sa root/boot
disketa i pokusam fsck, tada se javlja ona navedena poruka "block bitmap
264275204 for group 0 not in group" i fsck prekida dalji rad.
I nijedna njegova opcija ne radi nista osim sto prijavi istu gresku na
isti nacin.
Lako bih ja sredio lilo da je on problem, ali izgleda da je problem u
nekim podacima na /dev/hdb1 koji "omogucavaju" mauntovanje te particije.
Sta bi to moglo da bude, i kako da se sredi, nemam pojma.
Poziv za pomoc uz nadoknadu u obliku pica, a moze i soka, je i dalje
otvoren, uz moju ogromantnu zahvalnost svakome ko pomogne na neki nacin.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1002postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:58:30 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-23-95 23:11 Vukota@fon wrote:
Vu> Misa Trivkovic (bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
Vu> : Budi hrabar i uradio ono sto i ja, fdisk iz dos-a i kreiraj na
Vu> drugom disku : particije iste velicine kao i pre, ovo ako je frka sa
Vu> particionom tabelom, ako : nije... :)
Vu> Ponekad je bolje upotrebiti DM (Disk Manager) ili DISKEDIT ili tako
Vu> nesto, jer sta ako je coveku disk veci od 520 MB , a ima obican IDE
Vu> kontroler :))), mada mi se cini da to nije ovde slucaju :)))
Eh sad, fdisk nije bas resenje, jer ne zelim da si izgubim 100M podesenog
linuxa, ukljucujuci i picnuti Xwindows koji je jako lepo radio.
Plus gomilica sorsova koji su mi sad nedostupni itd itd itd...
A sta bih radio sa diskeditom kad on verovatno ni ne bi mogao da cita po
linux particiji? I gde da trazim gresku ako bi i citao?
BTW, disk je od 122M, quantum els127, na obicnom ide kontroleru i 386dx40,
mada ne vidim znacaj tih podataka.
BTW2, koristim ovu priliku da Vecxu i Dragishu posebno zamolim za pomoc,
jer ne znam dvojicu vecih znalaca linuxa.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1003postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: problem sa particijom
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:02:37 GMT
Helem, glede ovoga problema kod andre(j?)e, nisam se sretao sa slicnim, ali
posto otkazuje na pokusaje fsck/debugfs jedino sto mi ovako na suvo pada na
pamet je da se proba sa rezervnim superblokom ili kako se to vec zove.
Znaci, fsck /dev/hdb1 8191 ili slicno, ne mogu sada da se sjetim po kom
uzorku on to pravi, ali cu pogledam okolo. Preporucujem sljedece
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 776 Aug 25 02:47 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.lsm
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 430753 Aug 25 04:14 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 685 Aug 25 04:14 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.lsm
-rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 44235 Aug 25 04:16 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.ps.gz
unix.1004postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:56:35 GMT
Eh sta sve nece kompjuter coveku da uradi... :(
Daklem, na mom kucnom linuxu, prilikom pokusaja uspostave term veze sa
galebom, koja inace radi, sistem mi je zaglavio tako da je potpuno blokirao
sve konzole, plus sto je ps na svakoj bio mrtav, a onda i ceo sistem.
Posle hard reseta, jer na soft reset sistem nije reagovao nikako, sledece
butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
"block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Pokusao sam fsck-om i debugfs-om nesto da uradim, ali nijedan program nece
ni da pridje particiji jer konstantno javljaju neku gresku.
Ne znam sta da radim, i kako da osposobim sistem makar da prebacim fajlove
na drugi disk. Ako neko ima neku predstavu sta bi moglo da bude uzrok ove
poruke i kako spasiti moje jadne podatke, neka mi javi pod HITNO!
A jos ako stvar uspe, ima pice od mene....
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1005postmast,
From: zoranp@fon (Zoran Petrovic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 05:35:55 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
> Daklem, na mom kucnom linuxu, prilikom pokusaja uspostave term veze sa
> galebom, koja inace radi, sistem mi je zaglavio tako da je potpuno blokirao
> sve konzole, plus sto je ps na svakoj bio mrtav, a onda i ceo sistem.
> Posle hard reseta, jer na soft reset sistem nije reagovao nikako, sledece
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
> Pokusao sam fsck-om i debugfs-om nesto da uradim, ali nijedan program nece
> ni da pridje particiji jer konstantno javljaju neku gresku.
Pitanje da li si tada digao sistem sa boot diskete i da li radi LILO?
Ako radi LILO i
Ako je LILO instaliran na Linux particiji, ponoviti proceduru lilo koja
se vrsi posle nekih promena u /etc/lilo.conf. Preciznije moras da
proglasis da je root read-only, uobicajena poruka koja se javlja pri
svezoj instalaciji. Kod mene - InfoMagic 4-CD Set Linux 1.2.1 iz Marta 95
se poruka javljala, po ubacivanju read-only system je mogao da vrsi fsck
root particije. Da li si ti imao ovu poruku i kako ti je root particija
bila setovana dok je sistem radio ? Iz tvoje poruke se vidi da je
radio fsck ( pitanje butovanja- sa diska ili sa boot diskete ?)
Da li uspevas da pri boot-ovanju sa boot diskete das opciju
mount root=/dev/hdb1 i da tako mountujes neku particiju, preciznije ovde
je to drugi disk ( /dev/hdb a particija 1 /dev/hdb1 ), i da tada
izvrsis fsck doticne particije ?
> poruke i kako spasiti moje jadne podatke, neka mi javi pod HITNO!
> A jos ako stvar uspe, ima pice od mene....
Samo sokovi dolaze u obzir :)
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zoran V. Petrovic IRITEL zoranp@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
epetrovi@ubbg.etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.1006postmast,
From: bale@cview.com (Aleksandar Bakic)
Subject: Re: Elk 3.0
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:49:31 GMT
Andrija Ifkovic (andrija@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: : [Tcl/Tk moze u kantu --prim. AB]
: Bale, posto znam da nemas obicaj da hvalis u prazno, molio bih te
: da malo obrazlozis zasto Tcl/Tk moze u kantu. To me prilicno zanima, jer
: (...)
: Naravno, moj program je skoro gotov i tu nema govora o promeni jezika,
: ali za buduce projekte (if any), nije iskljuceno...
: Pozdrav,
: Andrija Ivkovic.
Zdravo Andro,
Izvini sto kasnim, bio sam u guzvi... Razmisljao sam da li da filozofiram
na ovu temu ili da prosledim sta pametniji misle, pa sam se odlucio za
ovo drugo ;-) Trenutno je Tcl/Tk veoma zahvalna stvar jer ima beskonacnu
podrsku, medjutim tesko da je upotrebljiv za nesto jace od GUI-ja i
slicnih toy programa. Ja trenutno pravim neki GUI i okolis, pa ga radim
u Tk-ju jer mi podrska na WWW omogucava da napredujem prilicno brzo, ali
imam nameru da kad zavrsim kostur, sve prepisem u Elk... a onda cu valjda
moci da kazem preciznije kako stvari stoje.
Dakle, za slucaj da ovo jos nisi video (nije nova stvar, ali bitna),
evo:
GNU Extension Language Plans
Richard Stallman, GNU Project
[Please redistribute widely]
Many software packages need an extension language to make it easier
for users to add to and modify the package.
In a previous message I explained why Tcl is inadequate as an
extension language, and stated some design goals for the extension
language for the GNU system, but I did not choose a specific
alternative.
At the time, I had not come to a conclusion about what to do. I knew
what sort of place I wanted to go, but not precisely where or how to
get there.
Since then, I've learned a lot more about the topic. I've read about
scsh, Rush and Python, and talked with people working on using Scheme
as an extension and scripting language. Now I have formulated a
specific plan for providing extensibility in the GNU system.
Who chooses which language?
Ousterhour, the author of Tcl, responded to my previous message by
citing a "Law" that users choose the language they prefer, and
suggested that we each implement our favorite languages, then sit back
and watch as the users make them succeed or fail.
Unfortunately, extension languages are the one case where users
*cannot* choose the language they use. They have to use the language
supported by the application or tool they want to extend. For
example, if you wanted to extend PDP-10 Emacs, you had to use TECO. If
you want to extend GNU Emacs, you have to use Lisp.
When users simply want "to write a program to do X or Y," they can use
any language the system supports. There's no reason for system
designers to try to decide which language is best. We can instead
provide as many languages as possible, to give each user the widest
possible choice. In the GNU system, I would like to support every
language people want to use--provided someone will implement them.
With the methods generally used today, we cannot easily provide many
languages for extending any particular utility or application
package. Supporting an extension language means a lot of work for the
developer of the package. Supporting two languages is twice as much
work, supposing the two fit together at all. In practice, the
developer has to choose a language--and then all users of the package
are stuck with that one. For example, when I wrote GNU Emacs, I had to
decide which language to support. I had no way to let the users
decide.
When a developer chooses Tcl, that has two consequences for the users
of the package:
* They can use Tcl if they wish. That's fine with me.
* They can't use any other language. That I consider a problem.
Sometimes developers choose a language because they like it. But not
always. Sun recently announced a campaign to "make Tcl the universal
scripting language." This is a campaign to convince all the developers
who *don't* prefer Tcl that they really have no choice. The idea is
that each one of us will believe that Sun will inevitably convince
everyone else to use Tcl, and each of us will feel compelled to follow
where we believe the rest are going.
That campaign is what led me to decide that I needed to speak to the
community about the issue. By announcing on the net that GNU software
packages won't use Tcl, I hope to show programmers that not everyone
is going to jump on the Tcl bandwagon--so they don't have to feel
compelled to do so. If developers choose to support Tcl, it should be
because they want to, not because Sun convinces them they have no
choice.
Design goals for GNU
When you write a program, or when you modify a GNU program, I think
you should be the one who decides what to implement. I can't tell you
what language to support, and I wouldn't want to try.
But I am the leader of one particular project, the GNU project. So I
make the decision about which packages to include in the GNU operating
system, and which design goals to aim for in developing the GNU
system.
These are the design goals I've decided on concerning extension
languages in the GNU system:
* As far as possible, all GNU packages should support the same
extension languages, so that a user can learn one language (any one of
those we support) and use it in any package--including Emacs.
* The languages we support should not be limited to special, weak
"scripting languages". They should be designed to be good for writing
large programs as well as small ones.
My judgement is that Tcl can't satisfy this goal. (Ousterhout seems to
agree that Tcl doesn't serve this goal. He thinks that doesn't
constitute a problem--I think it does.) That's why I've decided not to
use Tcl as the main system-wide extension language of the GNU system.
* It is important to support a Lisp-like language, because they
provide certain special kinds of power, such as representing programs
as data in a structured way that can be decoded without parsing.
** It is desirable to support Scheme, because it is simple and clean.
** It is desirable to support Emacs Lisp, for compatibility with Emacs
and the code already written for Emacs.
* It is important to support a more usual programming language syntax
for users who find Lisp syntax too strange.
* It would be good to support Tcl as well, if that is easy to do.
The GNU extension language plan
Here is the plan for achieving the design goals stated above.
* Step 1. The base language should be modified Scheme, with these
features:
** Case-sensitive symbol names.
** No distinction between #f and (), for the sake of supporting Lisp
as well as Scheme.
** Convenient fast exception handling, and catch and throw.
** Extra slots in a symbol, to better support translating other Lisp
dialects into Scheme.
** Multiple obarrays.
** Flexible string manipulation functions.
** Access to all or most of the Unix system calls.
** Convenient facilities for forking pipelines, making redirections,
and so on.
** Two interfaces for call-outs to C code. One allows the C code to
work on arbitrary Scheme data. The other passes strings only, and is
compatible with Tcl C callouts provided the C function does not try to
call the Tcl interpreter.
** Cheap built-in dynamic variables (as well as Scheme's lexical
variables).
** Support for forwarding a dynamic variable's value into a C
variable.
** A way for applications to define additional Scheme data types for
application-specific purposes.
** A place in a function to record an interactive argument reading
spec.
** An optional reader feature to convert nil to #f and t to #t, for
the sake of supporting Lisp as well as Scheme.
** An interface to the library version of expect.
** Backtrace and debugging facilities.
All of these things are either straightforward or have already been
done in Scheme systems; the task is to put them together. We are going
to start with SCM, add some of these features to it, and write the
rest in Scheme, using existing implementations where possible.
* Step 2. Other languages should be implemented on top of Scheme.
** Rush is a cleaned-up version of the Tcl language, which runs far
faster than Tcl itself, by means of translation into Scheme. Some
kludgy but necessary Tcl constructs don't work in Rush, and Tcl
aficionadoes may be unhappy about this; but Rush provides cleaner ways
to get the same results, so users who write extensions should like it
better. Developers looking for an extension language are likely to
prefer Rush to Tcl if they are not already attached to Tcl. Here are a
couple of examples supplied by Adam Sah:
*** To pass an array argument without copying it, in Tcl you must use
upvar or make the array a global variable. In Rush, you can simply
declare the argument "pass by reference".
*** To extract values from a list and pass them as separate arguments
to a function, in Tcl you must construct a function call expression
using that list, and then evaluate it. This can cause trouble if the
other arguments contain text that includes any special Tcl syntax. In
Rush, the apply function handles this simply and reliably.
*** Rush eliminates the need for the "expr" command by allowing infix
mathematical expressions and statements. For example, the Tcl
computation `"set a [expr $b*$c]' can be written as `a = b*c' in
Rush. (The Tcl syntax works also.)
Some references:
[SBD94] Adam Sah, Jon Blow and Brian Dennis. "An Introduction to the
Rush Language." Proc. Tcl'94 Workshop. June, 1994.
ftp://ginsberg.cs.berkeley.edu:pub/papers/asah/rush-tcl94.*
[SB94] Adam Sah and Jon Blow. "A New Architecture for the
Implementation of Scripting Languages." Proc. USENIX Symp. on Very
High Level Languages. October, 1994. to appear.
ftp://ginsberg.cs.berkeley.edu:pub/papers/asah/rush-vhll94.*
** It appears that Emacs Lisp can be implemented efficiently by
translation into modified Scheme (the modifications are important).
** Python appears suitable for such an implementation, as far as I can
tell from a quick look. By "suitable" I mean that mostly the same
language could be implemented--minor changes in semantics would be
ok. (It would be useful for someone to check this carefully.)
** A C-like language syntax can certainly be implemented this way.
* Distribution conditions.
We will permit use of the modified Scheme interpreter in proprietary
programs, so as to compete effectively with alternative extensibility
packages.
Translators from other languages to modified Scheme will not be part
of any application; each individual user will decide when to use one
of these. Therefore, there is no special reason not to use the GPL as
the distribution terms for translators. So we will encourage
developers of translators to use the GPL as distribution terms.
Conclusion
Until today, users have not been able to choose which extension
language to use. They have always been compelled to use whichever
language is supposed by the tool they wish to extend. And that has
meant many different languages for different tools.
Adopting Tcl as the universal scripting language offers the
possibility of eliminating the incompatibility--users would be able to
extend everything with just one language. But they wouldn't be able to
choose which language. They would be compelled to use Tcl and nothing
else.
By making modified Scheme the universal extension language, we can
give users a choice of which language to write extensions in. We can
implement other languages, including modified Tcl (Rush), a Python
variant, and a C-like language, through translation into Scheme, so
that each user can choose the language to use. Even users who choose
modified Tcl will benefit from this decision--they will be happy with
the speedup they get from an implementation that translates into
Scheme.
Only Scheme, or something close to Scheme, can serve this purpose. Tcl
won't do the job. You can't implement Scheme or Python or Emacs Lisp
with reasonable performance on top of Tcl. But modified Scheme can
support them all, and many others.
The universal extension language should be modified Scheme.
Request for Volunteers
If you understand Scheme implementation well, and you want to
contribute a substantial amount of time to this project, please send
mail to Tom Lord, lord@gnu.ai.mit.edu.
If you expect to have time later but don't have time now, please send
mail when you do have time to work. Participation in a small way is
probably not useful until after the package is released.
====
Pozdrav,
Bale
unix.1007postmast,
From: bale@cview.com (Aleksandar Bakic)
Subject: Re: Elk 3.0
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:51:19 GMT
Andrija Ifkovic (andrija@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: : [Tcl/Tk moze u kantu --prim. AB]
Hm, cini mi se da sam dobio neki warning da prethodni reply ne moze
da stane... (nekih 78 linija). Evo jos jedno poslednjih 100-nak.
* Step 2. Other languages should be implemented on top of Scheme.
** Rush is a cleaned-up version of the Tcl language, which runs far
faster than Tcl itself, by means of translation into Scheme. Some
kludgy but necessary Tcl constructs don't work in Rush, and Tcl
aficionadoes may be unhappy about this; but Rush provides cleaner ways
to get the same results, so users who write extensions should like it
better. Developers looking for an extension language are likely to
prefer Rush to Tcl if they are not already attached to Tcl. Here are a
couple of examples supplied by Adam Sah:
*** To pass an array argument without copying it, in Tcl you must use
upvar or make the array a global variable. In Rush, you can simply
declare the argument "pass by reference".
*** To extract values from a list and pass them as separate arguments
to a function, in Tcl you must construct a function call expression
using that list, and then evaluate it. This can cause trouble if the
other arguments contain text that includes any special Tcl syntax. In
Rush, the apply function handles this simply and reliably.
*** Rush eliminates the need for the "expr" command by allowing infix
mathematical expressions and statements. For example, the Tcl
computation `"set a [expr $b*$c]' can be written as `a = b*c' in
Rush. (The Tcl syntax works also.)
Some references:
[SBD94] Adam Sah, Jon Blow and Brian Dennis. "An Introduction to the
Rush Language." Proc. Tcl'94 Workshop. June, 1994.
ftp://ginsberg.cs.berkeley.edu:pub/papers/asah/rush-tcl94.*
[SB94] Adam Sah and Jon Blow. "A New Architecture for the
Implementation of Scripting Languages." Proc. USENIX Symp. on Very
High Level Languages. October, 1994. to appear.
ftp://ginsberg.cs.berkeley.edu:pub/papers/asah/rush-vhll94.*
** It appears that Emacs Lisp can be implemented efficiently by
translation into modified Scheme (the modifications are important).
** Python appears suitable for such an implementation, as far as I can
tell from a quick look. By "suitable" I mean that mostly the same
language could be implemented--minor changes in semantics would be
ok. (It would be useful for someone to check this carefully.)
** A C-like language syntax can certainly be implemented this way.
* Distribution conditions.
We will permit use of the modified Scheme interpreter in proprietary
programs, so as to compete effectively with alternative extensibility
packages.
Translators from other languages to modified Scheme will not be part
of any application; each individual user will decide when to use one
of these. Therefore, there is no special reason not to use the GPL as
the distribution terms for translators. So we will encourage
developers of translators to use the GPL as distribution terms.
Conclusion
Until today, users have not been able to choose which extension
language to use. They have always been compelled to use whichever
language is supposed by the tool they wish to extend. And that has
meant many different languages for different tools.
Adopting Tcl as the universal scripting language offers the
possibility of eliminating the incompatibility--users would be able to
extend everything with just one language. But they wouldn't be able to
choose which language. They would be compelled to use Tcl and nothing
else.
By making modified Scheme the universal extension language, we can
give users a choice of which language to write extensions in. We can
implement other languages, including modified Tcl (Rush), a Python
variant, and a C-like language, through translation into Scheme, so
that each user can choose the language to use. Even users who choose
modified Tcl will benefit from this decision--they will be happy with
the speedup they get from an implementation that translates into
Scheme.
Only Scheme, or something close to Scheme, can serve this purpose. Tcl
won't do the job. You can't implement Scheme or Python or Emacs Lisp
with reasonable performance on top of Tcl. But modified Scheme can
support them all, and many others.
The universal extension language should be modified Scheme.
Request for Volunteers
If you understand Scheme implementation well, and you want to
contribute a substantial amount of time to this project, please send
mail to Tom Lord, lord@gnu.ai.mit.edu.
If you expect to have time later but don't have time now, please send
mail when you do have time to work. Participation in a small way is
probably not useful until after the package is released.
unix.1008postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:20:51 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-22-95 05:35 Zoranp@fon wrote:
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Zo> Pitanje da li si tada digao sistem sa boot diskete i da li radi LILO?
Zo> Ako radi LILO i
Zo> Ako je LILO instaliran na Linux particiji, ponoviti proceduru lilo
Zo> koja se vrsi posle nekih promena u /etc/lilo.conf. Preciznije moras da
Zo> proglasis da je root read-only, uobicajena poruka koja se javlja pri
Zo> svezoj instalaciji. Kod mene - InfoMagic 4-CD Set Linux 1.2.1 iz Marta
Zo> 95 se poruka javljala, po ubacivanju read-only system je mogao da vrsi
Zo> fsck root particije. Da li si ti imao ovu poruku i kako ti je root
Zo> particija bila setovana dok je sistem radio ? Iz tvoje poruke se vidi
Zo> da je radio fsck ( pitanje butovanja- sa diska ili sa boot diskete ?)
Zo> Da li uspevas da pri boot-ovanju sa boot diskete das opciju
Zo> mount root=/dev/hdb1 i da tako mountujes neku particiju, preciznije
Zo> ovde je to drugi disk ( /dev/hdb a particija 1 /dev/hdb1 ), i da tada
Zo> izvrsis fsck doticne particije ?
Kao prvo, ja mogu da dignem sistem sa prvog diska i da dobijem lilo prompt
i ostalo, ali samo mauntovanje drugog diska, tj. particije /dev/hdb1, ne
prolazi. Tada se javlja poruka o gresci, a ako dignem sistem sa root/boot
disketa i pokusam fsck, tada se javlja ona navedena poruka "block bitmap
264275204 for group 0 not in group" i fsck prekida dalji rad.
I nijedna njegova opcija ne radi nista osim sto prijavi istu gresku na
isti nacin.
Lako bih ja sredio lilo da je on problem, ali izgleda da je problem u
nekim podacima na /dev/hdb1 koji "omogucavaju" mauntovanje te particije.
Sta bi to moglo da bude, i kako da se sredi, nemam pojma.
Poziv za pomoc uz nadoknadu u obliku pica, a moze i soka, je i dalje
otvoren, uz moju ogromantnu zahvalnost svakome ko pomogne na neki nacin.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1009postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:20:55 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-23-95 23:11 Vukota@fon wrote:
Vu> Misa Trivkovic (bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
Vu> : Budi hrabar i uradio ono sto i ja, fdisk iz dos-a i kreiraj na
Vu> drugom disku : particije iste velicine kao i pre, ovo ako je frka sa
Vu> particionom tabelom, ako : nije... :)
Vu> Ponekad je bolje upotrebiti DM (Disk Manager) ili DISKEDIT ili tako
Vu> nesto, jer sta ako je coveku disk veci od 520 MB , a ima obican IDE
Vu> kontroler :))), mada mi se cini da to nije ovde slucaju :)))
Eh sad, fdisk nije bas resenje, jer ne zelim da si izgubim 100M podesenog
linuxa, ukljucujuci i picnuti Xwindows koji je jako lepo radio.
Plus gomilica sorsova koji su mi sad nedostupni itd itd itd...
A sta bih radio sa diskeditom kad on verovatno ni ne bi mogao da cita po
linux particiji? I gde da trazim gresku ako bi i citao?
BTW, disk je od 122M, quantum els127, na obicnom ide kontroleru i 386dx40,
mada ne vidim znacaj tih podataka.
BTW2, koristim ovu priliku da Vecxu i Dragishu posebno zamolim za pomoc,
jer ne znam dvojicu vecih znalaca linuxa.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1010postmast,
From: panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Mijuskovic Veselin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:34:57 GMT
Vlada Calic (vcalic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: >> Srecna vest!
: >>
: >> Novell je prodao UNIX!
: >>
: >> I to SCO-u.
: He, a kad se setimo ko drzi SCO... ;)) Znaci, uskoro se najavljuje
: Unix 97 ;)
Novell je dobio 17% akcija SCO (Microsoft ima 12%) + deo dobiti od
prodaje UnixWare-a do 2027. godine (+/- par godina) ali maximalno
84 miliona US$ ukupno. SCO je pored source-a za UnixWare dobio i licence
za NetWare Directory Services i NetWare 4.xx. SCO planira da naporedo
izdaje SCO Open Server i UnixWare do 1997. , kada bi trebao da izadje
novi Unix proizvod, koji ce sadrzavati najbolje od oba sadasnja
proizvoda. Sredinom sledece godine treba da izadje zajednicki
Development paket. Inace, u sve je ukljucen i HP, pa ce zajedno da
razvijaju poslovno okruzenje. Trenutno, HP je zaduzen da uklopi
NDS u DCE (Desktop Common Environment), novi *de facto* standard za
desktop Unix-e, i da sve poveze na svoju RISC arhitekturu i HP-UX.
SCO planira da kupi licencu za UNIX 95 (nema veze sa Win95), novom
Unix standardu koji je propisala X/Open Ltd. koja drzi prava na Unix
licencu (samo proizvodi koji imaju UNIX 95 licencu imaju pravo da
u imenu proizvoda imaju rec Unix). Nazalost, ova licenca je izgleda
namenjena novom *sjedinjenom* proizvodu (OS5 + UnixWare), jer po
uslovima licence, proizvodjac ima dve godine na raspolaganju dok ne
postigne punu UNIX 95 kompatibilnost za proizvod za koji je dobijena
licenca.
Sto se tice Win95, SCO ce izdati u oktobru Wintif95, Motif biblioteku
koja daje Win95 look Unix aplikacijama. Inace, SCO ne odustaje od
strategije Unix server + Win/Win95 desktop radne stanice. Poznato je da
je SCO istupio iz konzorcijuma koji je definisao DCE, standard koji je
namenjen Unix desktop masinama.
--
Panzer
In real life : Mijuskovic Veselin Internet : panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
/Meeyoushkowitch Veselyn/ DECnet : UBBG::EMIJUSKO
unix.1011postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: UUCP 1.06.1
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 03:42:55 GMT
[ Article crossposted from gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.mail.uucp ]
[ Author was Ian Lance Taylor ]
[ Posted on Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:13:11 -0400 ]
UUCP 1.06 unfortunately had a serious bug, so I have decided to
release version 1.06.1. I urge everybody who has already picked up
1.06 to upgrade to 1.06.1. The diffs from 1.06 are small, so I have
included them in this message (they are also available from prep).
The complete 1.06.1 tar distribution is available from
prep.ai.mit.edu, and all the usual mirror sites. I apologize for any
inconvenience.
--
Ian Taylor | ian@airs.com | First to identify quote wins free e-mail message:
``[I]n Paris, for example, in 1660 there were 103 holidays in the year.''
diff -ur uucp-1.06/ChangeLog uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog
--- uucp-1.06/ChangeLog Thu Aug 10 23:35:01 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/ChangeLog Sun Aug 20 15:29:15 1995
@@ -1,3 +1,33 @@
+Sun Aug 20 15:12:36 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * Released version 1.06.1.
+
+ * uux.c (main): Make sure that the grade is between '0' and '9',
+ or 'a' and 'z', or 'A' and 'Z', in case isalnum accepts other
+ characters.
+ * uucp.c (main): Likewise.
+
+Sat Aug 19 23:15:21 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * configure.in: Check for seteuid.
+ * configure: Rebuild.
+ * config.h.in (HAVE_SETEUID): Define.
+ * unix/uid.c: If HAVE_SETEUID is defined, use seteuid rather than
+ setuid.
+ * policy.h: Change HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID comment to mention that it
+ does not work on 4.4BSD-Lite and NetBSD.
+
+ * Andrey A. Chernov: uuconf.h (UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL): Use BUCHAR.
+
+Wed Aug 16 21:23:39 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
+
+ * uucico.c (flogin_prompt): Add pzsystem parameter, and pass it to
+ faccept_call. Change all callers.
+
+ * trans.c (qtransalc): Clear zlog field.
+
+ * Makefile.in (VERSION): Change to 1.06.1.
+
Thu Aug 10 22:42:53 1995 Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
* Released version 1.06.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/Makefile.in uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in
--- uucp-1.06/Makefile.in Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/Makefile.in Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
SHELL = /bin/sh
-VERSION = 1.06
+VERSION = 1.06.1
MORECFLAGS = -I. -I$(srcdir) -DOWNER=\"$(owner)\" -DVERSION=\"$(VERSION)\" $(UUDIRFLAGS)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/config.h.in uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in
--- uucp-1.06/config.h.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:47 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/config.h.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:21 1995
@@ -230,6 +230,7 @@
#define HAVE_WAIT4 0
#define HAVE_GLOB 0
#define HAVE_SETREUID 0
+#define HAVE_SETEUID 0
/* There are several functions which are replaced in the subdirectory
lib. If they are missing, the configure script will automatically
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure.in uucp-1.06.1/configure.in
--- uucp-1.06/configure.in Wed Aug 9 20:58:48 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure.in Sun Aug 20 15:29:22 1995
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
dnl This should be processed with autoconf to produce a configure script.
dnl Copyright (c) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Ian Lance Taylor
dnl
-AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel $])
+AC_REVISION([$Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel $])
AC_INIT(policy.h)
AC_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)
AC_PREFIX_PROGRAM(gcc)
@@ -295,7 +295,7 @@
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(remove ftruncate ltrunc rename opendir dup2 waitpid wait4)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigsetjmp setret sigaction sigvec sigset)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(sigprocmask sigblock sighold getdtablesize sysconf)
-AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname)
+AC_CHECK_FUNCS(setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname)
AC_CHECK_FUNCS(gettimeofday ftw glob dev_info)
dnl Check for getline, but not in -linet, since ISC has an
dnl incompatible version there.
diff -ur uucp-1.06/configure uucp-1.06.1/configure
--- uucp-1.06/configure Wed Aug 9 21:01:30 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/configure Sun Aug 20 15:32:04 1995
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
#! /bin/sh
-# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.85 1995/07/08 18:35:18 ian Rel
+# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.86 1995/08/20 03:21:34 ian Rel
# Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles.
# Generated automatically using autoconf version 2.4
# Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
@@ -2606,7 +2606,7 @@
fi
done
-for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid gethostname uname
+for ac_func in setpgrp setsid setreuid seteuid gethostname uname
do
echo $ac_n "checking for $ac_func""... $ac_c" 1>&6
if eval "test \"`echo '$''{'ac_cv_func_$ac_func'+set}'`\" = set"; then
diff -ur uucp-1.06/policy.h uucp-1.06.1/policy.h
--- uucp-1.06/policy.h Thu Aug 10 23:42:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/policy.h Sun Aug 20 15:36:06 1995
@@ -205,14 +205,14 @@
other than the uucp user uses it. */
#define HAVE_SAVED_SETUID 1
-/* On some systems, such as the DG Aviion and, possibly, the RS/6000,
- the setreuid function is broken. It should be possible to use
- setreuid to swap the real and effective user ID's, but on some
- systems it will not change the real user ID (I believe this is due
- to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On such a system you must
- set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do not, you will get error
- messages from setreuid. Systems on which setreuid exists but is
- broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
+/* On some systems, such as 4.4BSD-Lite, NetBSD, the DG Aviion and,
+ possibly, the RS/6000, the setreuid function is broken. It should
+ be possible to use setreuid to swap the real and effective user
+ ID's, but on some systems it will not change the real user ID (I
+ believe this is due to a misreading of the POSIX standard). On
+ such a system you must set HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID to 1; if you do
+ not, you will get error messages from setreuid. Systems on which
+ setreuid exists but is broken pretty much always have saved setuid. */
#define HAVE_BROKEN_SETREUID 0
/* On a few systems, such as NextStep 3.3, the POSIX macro F_SETLKW is
diff -ur uucp-1.06/trans.c uucp-1.06.1/trans.c
--- uucp-1.06/trans.c Thu Aug 10 22:46:40 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/trans.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:39 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.40 1995/08/11 02:43:32 ian Rel $";
+const char trans_rcsid[] = "$Id: trans.c,v 1.41 1995/08/17 01:25:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <errno.h>
@@ -381,6 +381,7 @@
q->s.znotify = NULL;
q->s.zcmd = NULL;
}
+ q->zlog = NULL;
q->isecs = 0;
q->imicros = 0;
q->cbytes = 0;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c
--- uucp-1.06/unix/uid.c Wed Aug 9 21:00:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/unix/uid.c Sun Aug 20 15:30:48 1995
@@ -29,6 +29,13 @@
#include "sysdep.h"
#include <errno.h>
+
+/* NetBSD apparently does not support setuid as required by POSIX when
+ using saved setuid, so use seteuid instead. */
+
+#if HAVE_SETEUID
+#define setuid seteuid
+#endif
/* Switch to permissions of the invoking user. */
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucico.c uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucico.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:09 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucico.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:43 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.190 1995/06/29 19:35:59 ian Rel $";
+const char uucico_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucico.c,v 1.192 1995/08/17 02:03:35 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@
static int iuport_lock P((struct uuconf_port *qport, pointer pinfo));
static boolean flogin_prompt P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, struct sconnection *qconn,
- const char *zlogin));
+ const char *zlogin, const char **pzsystem));
static int icallin_cmp P((int iwhich, pointer pinfo, const char *zfile));
static boolean faccept_call P((pointer puuconf, const char *zconfig,
boolean fuuxqt, const char *zlogin,
@@ -693,7 +693,8 @@
{
while (! FGOT_SIGNAL ()
&& flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- (const char *) NULL))
+ (const char *) NULL,
+ (const char **) NULL))
{
/* Close and reopen the port in between calls. */
if (! fconn_close (&sconn, puuconf,
@@ -708,7 +709,7 @@
{
if (flogin)
fret = flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, &sconn,
- zlogin);
+ zlogin, &zsystem);
else
{
#if DEBUG > 1
@@ -1708,12 +1709,13 @@
/* Prompt for a login name and a password, and run as the slave. */
static boolean
-flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin)
+flogin_prompt (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, qconn, zlogin, pzsystem)
pointer puuconf;
const char *zconfig;
boolean fuuxqt;
struct sconnection *qconn;
const char *zlogin;
+ const char **pzsystem;
{
int iuuconf;
int istrip;
@@ -1722,6 +1724,9 @@
boolean fret;
struct scallin_info s;
+ if (pzsystem != NULL)
+ *pzsystem = NULL;
+
DEBUG_MESSAGE0 (DEBUG_HANDSHAKE, "flogin_prompt: Waiting for login");
iuuconf = uuconf_strip (puuconf, &istrip);
@@ -1790,8 +1795,7 @@
#if DEBUG > 1
iholddebug = iDebug;
#endif
- (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn,
- (const char **) NULL);
+ (void) faccept_call (puuconf, zconfig, fuuxqt, zlogin, qconn, pzsystem);
#if DEBUG > 1
iDebug = iholddebug;
#endif
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uuconf.h uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h
--- uucp-1.06/uuconf.h Wed Aug 9 20:59:10 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uuconf.h Sun Aug 20 15:29:44 1995
@@ -563,7 +563,7 @@
#define UUCONF_GRADE_LOW ('z')
/* Whether a character is a legal grade (requires <ctype.h>). */
-#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum ((unsigned) (b)))
+#define UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL(b) (isalnum (BUCHAR (b)))
/* Return < 0 if the first grade should be done before the second
grade, == 0 if they are the same, or > 0 if the first grade should
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.c uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:12 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:46 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.63 1995/08/02 01:22:53 ian Rel $";
+const char uucp_rcsid[] = "$Id: uucp.c,v 1.64 1995/08/20 19:21:29 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include <ctype.h>
@@ -277,7 +277,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bCgrade)
+ || ((bCgrade < '0' || bCgrade > '9')
+ && (bCgrade < 'a' || bCgrade > 'z')
+ && (bCgrade < 'A' || bCgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bCgrade = BDEFAULT_UUCP_GRADE;
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uucp.texi uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi
--- uucp-1.06/uucp.texi Wed Aug 9 20:59:16 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uucp.texi Sun Aug 20 15:29:51 1995
@@ -5649,8 +5649,8 @@
Approved: news-answers-request@@MIT.Edu
Archive-name: uucp-internals
-Version: $Revision: 1.108 $
-Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/02 01:35:25 $
+Version: $Revision: 1.109 $
+Last-modified: $Date: 1995/08/20 03:32:59 $
@end format
@end ifset
@@ -8288,6 +8288,7 @@
@code{tbr@@tfic.bc.ca} (Tom Rushworth)
@code{jsacco@@ssl.com} (Joseph E. Sacco)
@code{rsalz@@bbn.com} (Rich Salz)
+Curt Sampson @code{<curt@@portal.ca>}
@code{sojurn!mike@@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu} (Mike Sangrey)
Nickolay Saukh @code{<nms@@ussr.EU.net>}
@code{heiko@@lotte.sax.de} (Heiko Schlittermann)
diff -ur uucp-1.06/uux.c uucp-1.06.1/uux.c
--- uucp-1.06/uux.c Wed Aug 9 20:59:22 1995
+++ uucp-1.06.1/uux.c Sun Aug 20 15:29:57 1995
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
#include "uucp.h"
#if USE_RCS_ID
-const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.81 1995/08/02 01:25:17 ian Rel $";
+const char uux_rcsid[] = "$Id: uux.c,v 1.82 1995/08/20 19:21:42 ian Rel $";
#endif
#include "uudefs.h"
@@ -336,7 +336,10 @@
}
}
- if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade))
+ if (! UUCONF_GRADE_LEGAL (bXgrade)
+ || ((bXgrade < '0' || bXgrade > '9')
+ && (bXgrade < 'a' || bXgrade > 'z')
+ && (bXgrade < 'A' || bXgrade > 'Z')))
{
ulog (LOG_ERROR, "Ignoring illegal grade");
bXgrade = BDEFAULT_UUX_GRADE;
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unix.1012postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: SCO
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:16:33 GMT
Sta znaci rijec SCO?
Santa Cruz Obsolete O:)
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unix.1013postmast,
From: bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU (Misa Trivkovic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 20:55:54 GMT
To andrea@fon:
## Ne znam sta da radim, i kako da osposobim sistem makar da prebacim fajlove
## na drugi disk. Ako neko ima neku predstavu sta bi moglo da bude uzrok ove
Budi hrabar i uradio ono sto i ja, fdisk iz dos-a i kreiraj na drugom disku
particije iste velicine kao i pre, ovo ako je frka sa particionom tabelom, ako
nije... :)
bdm
unix.1014postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: HP, Novell and SCO To Deliver High-Volume UNIX OS ....
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 02:13:10 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.unix.sco.announce ]
[ Author was SCO Information ]
[ Posted on Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:05:23 GMT ]
HP, Novell and SCO To Deliver
High-Volume UNIX OS With Advanced Network
And Enterprise Services
Base Created for Next-Generation Business-Critical Computing
NEW YORK, New York - September 20, 1995 - Hewlett-
Packard Company, Novell, Inc., and The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. (SCO)
today announced business relationships designed to deliver a high-volume
UNIX operating system with NetWare and UNIX enterprise services. The
three companies will work together -- each focusing on its core strengths -- to
release a series of merged UNIX products that will provide customers with a
clear, evolutionary path to 64-bit networked computing on the HP/Intel
architecture. As a result, customers will be able to take advantage of a high-
volume UNIX operating system that runs on standard hardware platforms and
integrates their current desktop, workgroup, and enterprise networked
environments - protecting their investments while ensuring access to new
technologies.
HP, Novell and SCO recognize that the next wave of computing will
require the integrated capabilities of a robust enterprise operating system and
rich network services, available through high-volume channels. These new
relationships will accomplish the following:
- Novell will provide its market-leading NetWare services that are
essential for integrating high-end enterprise environments with
workgroups and PCs;
- SCO has purchased the UnixWare business from Novell and will
consolidate its SCO OpenServer system and Novell's UnixWare into a
merged high-volume Intel-based UNIX operating system that provides
interfaces in common with HP-UX. SCO will leverage its proven
ability to bring high-volume UNIX to market;
- Novell will work with HP to produce a high-performance
implementation of its NetWare Directory Services (NDS) and File/Print
Services for HP-UX, and integrate NDS with DCE; and
- HP will lead and drive the 64-bit UNIX operating system for the
HP/Intel architecture, resulting in the combination of the 64-bit HP-UX
and SCO Intel-based operating systems.
"NetWare, UnixWare and SCO OpenServer are all robust offerings on
high-volume Intel-based platforms," said David L. House, senior vice president
of Intel's Enterprise Server Group. "The combination of these capabilities,
along with HP's expertise in the 64-bit arena should be a welcome solution for
UNIX ISVs and users."
As a result of these relationships, customers will gain the following
benefits:
- Better access to corporate data - from the integration of NetWare
services and UNIX;
- Wider choice of applications and development tools - from existing
HP-UX, SCO OpenServer and UnixWare solutions; and
- Faster development of new applications - from the common interfaces
that enable developers to provide new functionalities faster.
"By combining HP's and Novell's respective strengths in enterprise and
networked computing and SCO's proven volume distribution channel for its
UNIX operating system, we will continue to deliver effective commonality in
UNIX," said Willem P. Roelandts, HP senior vice president and general
manager, Computer Systems Organization. "By forging these relationships, we
are providing a common environment that meets customer requirements for a
networked computing architecture spanning the virtual data center from
desktop to enterprise business-critical servers."
"Working with HP and SCO to focus on our respective strengths and
consolidate our overlapping efforts creates unparalleled new opportunities for
our customers and partners. By standardizing on Novell's networking services,
our customers benefit from having a greater level of consistency on their
networks, reducing their cost of ownership and simplifying their ability to
deploy cost-effective application servers. Our partners benefit from a new
level of consistency, allowing them to focus on providing value-added
capabilities never considered before. HP will take the lead in UNIX
technology; Novell will take the leadership role in network services; and SCO
will lead in creating technology required for volume channels. We expect this
relationship to result in an unprecedented selection of network services,
applications, development tools, and channel support on the Intel-based UNIX
platform," said Bob Frankenberg, Novell chairman and CEO.
Alok Mohan, SCO president and CEO, said, "UNIX is the leading
business-critical operating system server for large and small businesses today,
and this relationship provides SCO OpenServer and UnixWare customers with
a reliable and innovative platform for future growth. HP's technology
leadership will ensure the continued success of UNIX. Organizations can
integrate their network services and enterprise systems while protecting their
substantial investments in hardware and application development."
According to Richard French, Oracle's vice president, Intel-UNIX
Products Division, "This relationship will create a standard, high-volume
UNIX platform for business-critical computing that is very attractive to Oracle
and should be to all application developers. Oracle, and other software
vendors, will be able to deliver products to customers faster, reduce costly
porting and tuning efforts, while spending more time optimizing software
functionality and adding specific added value for customers. Additionally, this
relationship will reinforce the recently announced initiative by all UNIX
suppliers for a 64-bit UNIX."
Hewlett Packard Company is a leading global manufacturer of
computing, communications and measurement products and services
recognized for excellence in quality and support. Hewlett-Packard has 99,900
employees and had revenue of $25 billion in its 1994 fiscal year.
Novell (NASDAQ: NOVL) is the world's leading network software
provider.
Novell software provides the infrastructure for a networked world, enabling
our customers to connect with other people and the information they need,
anytime and anyplace. Novell partners with other technology and market
leaders to help customers make networks a part of their everyday lives.
SCO (NASDAQ:SCOC) is the world's leader for UNIX System
servers and multiuser hosts. SCO Business Critical Servers run the critical,
day-to-day operations of large branch organizations in retail, finance, and
government, as well as corporate departments and small to medium-sized
businesses of every kind. SCO sells and supports its products through a
worldwide network of distributors, resellers systems integrators, and OEMs.
###
NetWare and UnixWare are registered trademarks of Novell, Inc. SCO, The
Santa Cruz Operation, and SCO OpenServer are registered trademarks of The
Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. in the U.S.A. and other countries. UNIX is a
registered trademark in the U.S. and other countries, licensed exclusively
through X/Open Company Limited. All other trademarks are the properties of
their respective companies.
PRESS CONTACTS:
HP Novell SCO
Gary McCormack Catherine Stewart Monika Laud
(303)229-2370 (201)443-6264 (408)427-7421
gary_mccormack@ cstewart@novell.com monikal@sco.com
hp4000.desk.hp.com
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Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1015postmast,
From: Sasa.Sekulic@f110.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sasa Sekulic)
Subject: LINUX na hard disku? Ne, ne, kolega, nesto ste pobrkali...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:13:01
Evo ukratko moj problem.
Imam Conner CFS-850, sa instaliranim drajverom sa diskove vece od 528 MB
(nazalost, imam samo 386 sa IDE kontrolerom i starijim BIOS-om). U cemu je
fazon? Podijelio sam disk na 3 particije, svaka od po ~280 MB, i to sam
uradio iz drajvera. Ne mogu da instaliram Linux na trecu particiju!
Pokusavao sam i sa upisivanjem parametara pri boot: promptu, sa upisivanjem
parametara u fdisk (Linux - x, pa s i c za upisivanje pravog broja glava i
sektora) - uvijek mi pri fdisk p prikaze da particije ne zavrsavaju na
kraju cilindra. Setup nece ni da se startuje zbog segmentation fault-a.
Linux sam inace normalno instalirao na Maxtor 7245AT, i fino radi.
Ja vicem HELP!
A vi?
mad.max
Help! I need somebody... Help! Now just anybody... Help! You know I need
someone... HEEEELP!!!
* Origin: # New Age # 22-08h # Beograd # SETNet: (38:103/110)
unix.1016postmast,
From: Dragan.Nikolic@p7.f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Dragan Nikolic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 03:13:25
-=> Quoting Zoran Petrovic je 22 Sep 95 02:35:55 je izjavio sledece <=-
ZP> From: zoranp@fon (Zoran Petrovic)
ZP> Newsgroups: yu.os.unix
ZP> Organization: Fakultet Organizacionih Nauka, Beograd
ZP> Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
> Daklem, na mom kucnom linuxu, prilikom pokusaja uspostave term veze sa
> galebom, koja inace radi, sistem mi je zaglavio tako da je potpuno blokirao
> sve konzole, plus sto je ps na svakoj bio mrtav, a onda i ceo sistem.
> Posle hard reseta, jer na soft reset sistem nije reagovao nikako, sledece
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
> Pokusao sam fsck-om i debugfs-om nesto da uradim, ali nijedan program nece
> ni da pridje particiji jer konstantno javljaju neku gresku.
ZP>
ZP> Pitanje da li si tada digao sistem sa boot diskete i da li radi LILO?
ZP> Ako radi LILO i
ZP> Ako je LILO instaliran na Linux particiji, ponoviti proceduru lilo
ZP> koja se vrsi posle nekih promena u /etc/lilo.conf. Preciznije moras da
ZP> proglasis da je root read-only, uobicajena poruka koja se javlja pri
ZP> svezoj instalaciji. Kod mene - InfoMagic 4-CD Set Linux 1.2.1 iz Marta
ZP> 95 se poruka javljala, po ubacivanju read-only system je mogao da vrsi
ZP> fsck root particije. Da li si ti imao ovu poruku i kako ti je root
ZP> particija bila setovana dok je sistem radio ? Iz tvoje poruke se vidi
ZP> da je radio fsck ( pitanje butovanja- sa diska ili sa boot diskete ?)
ZP>
ZP> Da li uspevas da pri boot-ovanju sa boot diskete das opciju
ZP> mount root=/dev/hdb1 i da tako mountujes neku particiju, preciznije
ZP> ovde je to drugi disk ( /dev/hdb a particija 1 /dev/hdb1 ), i da tada
ZP> izvrsis fsck doticne particije ?
> poruke i kako spasiti moje jadne podatke, neka mi javi pod HITNO!
> A jos ako stvar uspe, ima pice od mene....
ZP> Samo sokovi dolaze u obzir :)
ZP> --
Zdravo Andrea!
Evo da pokusam da ti pomognem, posto imam jednu veoma dobro opremljenu
knjigu za Linux(DRX.LINUX sa 1200 strana:-)), pa cu iz nje da citiram jedan
deo, od kojeg verujem da ce i pomoci.:-)
_______________________________________________________________________________
Fixing trashed filesystems
If you somehow trash your filesystems, yu can run e2fsck(if you the ext2fs
file systems type, that is) to correct any damaged data on the filesystems
from flopy. Other filesystem types use different forms of the fsck command;
see Secction 4.8 for details.
When checking your filesystems from floppy, it's for the filesystems to not
be mounted.
One common cause of filesystem damage is superblock corrupcio. The
superblock
is the "header" of the filesystem that contains information on the filesystem
status, size, free blocks, and so forth. If you corrupt your siperblock(for
example, by accidentally writing data directly to the filesystem's partition),
the system may not recognize the filesystem at all. Any attempt to mount the
filesystem could fail, and e2fsck won't be able to fix the problem.
Happily, the ext2fs filesystem type saves copies of the superblock at "block
group" boundaries on the drive-usually, every 8K blocks. In order to tell
e2fsck
to use a copy of the superblock, you can use a command such as
# e2fsck -b 8193 <partition>
where <partition> is the partition on which the filesystem resides. The -b 8193
ption tells e2fsck to use the copy of the superblock stored at block 8193 in
the filesystem.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Nadam se da ce ti ovo pomoci oko tvog problema. A ako ne nazovime
jednostavno na ovaj broj 012227724, ako ti je tako hitno, pa cemo videti
dalje.
Pozdrav PARA:-)
P.S. A za pice cemo lako.:-))))
... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
... "What?!? This isn't the Files section?!?"
* Origin: Kragujevac BBS; 034/557-529; Rad.vr.: 23.00-06.00 (38:101/101.7)
unix.1017postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: Re: LINUX na hard disku? Ne, ne, kolega, nesto ste pobrkali...
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:40:10 GMT
Sasa Sekulic (Sasa.Sekulic@f110.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Evo ukratko moj problem.
: Imam Conner CFS-850, sa instaliranim drajverom sa diskove vece od 528 MB
: (nazalost, imam samo 386 sa IDE kontrolerom i starijim BIOS-om). U cemu je
: fazon? Podijelio sam disk na 3 particije, svaka od po ~280 MB, i to sam
: uradio iz drajvera. Ne mogu da instaliram Linux na trecu particiju!
: Pokusavao sam i sa upisivanjem parametara pri boot: promptu, sa upisivanjem
: parametara u fdisk (Linux - x, pa s i c za upisivanje pravog broja glava i
: sektora) - uvijek mi pri fdisk p prikaze da particije ne zavrsavaju na
: kraju cilindra. Setup nece ni da se startuje zbog segmentation fault-a.
: Linux sam inace normalno instalirao na Maxtor 7245AT, i fino radi.
: Ja vicem HELP!
: A vi?
Evo da ti ja ispricam kako sam ja sredio problem na 386 sa 4 MB ,
praistoriskim BIOS-om , najobicnijim 16-bitnim IDE kontrolerom, i 1.2 Gb
WD-ovim diskom. Prvu i trecu particiju sam kreirao sa Disk Manager-om, pa
sam hteo da u sredini umetnem Linux-ovu, ali me je Linux-ov fdisk zezao
isto kao i tebe. Tada mi je pukao film, pa sam sa DM-om kreirao i dve
particije za linux (samo u particionoj tabeli) sa atributima 83h i 82h,
i onda boot-ovao linux sa disketa i Linux-ov fdisk ih je prikazao onda Ok.
Nakon toga sam instalirao i Linux, i da kucnem u drvo za sada sve lepo radi.
A sistem se normalno u ovakvim slucajevima ne dize sa LiLo-m vec ga dizes
ili sa diskete ili pomocu LODLIN-a iz DOS-a (ili tako nekako).
unix.1018spantic,
> From: Sasa.Sekulic@f110.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Sasa Sekulic)
> (nazalost, imam samo 386 sa IDE kontrolerom i starijim BIOS-om). U cemu je
> fazon? Podijelio sam disk na 3 particije, svaka od po ~280 MB, i to sam
> uradio iz drajvera. Ne mogu da instaliram Linux na trecu particiju!
Nisam pratio razvoj događaja neko vreme, ali zadnji put je još
uvek važilo da kada imaš IDE diskove veće od 504 MB Moraš Linux
boot particiju da imaš ispod granice.
> Linux sam inace normalno instalirao na Maxtor 7245AT, i fino radi.
Kakva je bila struktura?
unix.1019mdave,
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
> BTW2, koristim ovu priliku da Vecxu i Dragishu posebno zamolim za
> pomoc, jer ne znam dvojicu vecih znalaca linuxa.
Ijaooo, ijaooo, njih dvojicu u istoj rečenici, pa još vecxa (
Obrovac-Beograd :)))))))))))) ) prvog... ijaooo....
unix.1020postmast,
From: SETN@f101.n101.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (SETN)
Subject: Statistics
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:58:00
Maintaned by CONFERENCE STATISTICS SHELL - (c)1995 by Predrag Supurovic
=======================================================================
Conference NET.UNIX maintained on 31.08.95. for 28 days backward.
QRATIO Mail Statistics V1.9 by Act Of Impulse.
----------------------------------------------
Total messages found in this area : 311
Number of messages covered in report: 91
Processed period from: 31-8-1995 to 27-9-1995
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blacklist-Top 5 of the Quoters.
Nr Total Quoted Quote
Name Address Msg Lines Lines: Ratio:
---- ------- --- ----- ------ ------
1. Dragan Nikolic........... 38:101/101.7 1 73 35 47.95%
2. "Vlada Calic"............ 38:103/120 1 11 5 45.45%
3. "Aleksandar Radovanovic". 38:103/120 1 36 15 41.67%
4. "Vladimir Maric"......... 38:103/120 2 21 8 38.10%
5. "Dragoljub Radojevic".... 38:103/120 1 8 3 37.50%
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Top 5 of the writers.
Total Average Quote
Name Msgs: Pct. Byte/Msg Ratio:
---- ----- ----- -------- ------
1. Igor Loncarevic 17 18.7% 4899 0.78%
2. Dragisa N. Duric 11 12.1% 1874 12.24%
3. "Srdan Pantic" 4 4.4% 338 22.86%
4. Drazen Pantic 4 4.4% 488 13.04%
5. Andrea Prunic 4 4.4% 1741 36.13%
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Top 2 of the receivers.
Total
Name Msgs: Pct.
---- ----- -----
1. All 90 98.9%
2. Andrea Prunic 1 1.1%
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Top 5 of the subjects.
Subject Nr.
------- ---
1. unix........................................................ 33
2. X & winsocka : moze li?..................................... 11
3. HELP!!!..................................................... 8
4. Gopher & ftp................................................ 3
5. Hocemo li novu verziju? :) (bjese: 1.3.21: sendmail/uuxqt pr 3
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Average posting frequency per week:
Day Msgs Pct. Graph
Sunday 17 18.7% *************************************************
Monday 13 14.3% *************************************
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Wednesday 8 8.8% ***********************
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6:00- 7:59 5 5.5% ***************
8:00- 9:59 10 11.0% ******************************
10:00-11:59 9 9.9% ***************************
12:00-13:59 4 4.4% ************
14:00-15:59 8 8.8% ************************
16:00-17:59 5 5.5% ***************
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unix.1021postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:39:43 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-25-95 13:02 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Helem, glede ovoga problema kod andre(j?)e, nisam se sretao sa
Ipak - Andrea, onako muski..... :)
Dr> slicnim, ali posto otkazuje na pokusaje fsck/debugfs jedino sto mi
Dr> ovako na suvo pada na pamet je da se proba sa rezervnim superblokom ili
Dr> kako se to vec zove. Znaci, fsck /dev/hdb1 8191 ili slicno, ne mogu
Dr> sada da se sjetim po kom uzorku on to pravi, ali cu pogledam okolo.
Dr> Preporucujem sljedece
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 776 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.lsm
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 430753 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.tar.gz
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 685 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.lsm
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 44235 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.ps.gz
Bam bam bam, izgleda da sam napravio molto grande glupost pre neki dan, a
glede (sto ti rece) mojega linux disk problema.
Naime, posto sam postao srecni vlasnik novog 540M djiska, quantum
maverick, ja sam si resio da stavim novi linux, sa kernelom 1.2.3, bice
da je to 2.1.x distribucija. Uglavnom, stavim ja njega na novi disk i
ustanovim da njegov fsck uspeva da da neki info u vezi one skrkane
particije na starom disku. Posto se ja, je li, ponadam da ce on stvar da
sredi, pustim ja njega da se zabavlja sa starim linuxom, i on uradi
kojekakve brljoke za koje mi se cini da su mi sad skroz na skroz
upropastile fajlove. Prijavljivao je neke silne poruke tipa "blabla block
8192 not valid, copying to 8193. WARNING : SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE!
Continue?<Y>" na sta sam ja je li manijakalno pritiskao Y sve u nadi da ce
stvar da se sredi.
Posle prvog seta takvih poruka krenuo je da nesto drlja, i to nesto je
trajalo dobrih 10 minuta, a onda je krenuo ispocetka da fsck-uje i da
prijavljuje iste probleme za iste blokove i tako ukrug.
Posle toga probam ja foru sa fsck /dev/hdb1 8193, pa 16385, i tako redom,
ali cvrc, nece nista da pomogne.
Sad, pitanje vrlo prosto : imam li ja uopste bilo sta preostalo na disku
ili ne? I cemu tolike greske prilikom kopiranja blokova sa jedne na drugu
lokaciju, a disk zdrav?
Jos cu da pomislim da ext2fs nije nista bolji od dos-a.... :-/
BTW, kad sam vec kod novog diska od 516MB, moze li se bez problema pustiti
da pod linuxom i kernelom 1.2.9 postoji swap particija od 1024. do 1049.
cilindra? Posto je fdisk prijavljivao da mu nesto nije potaman po tom
pitanju, zanima me, a verujem i jos koga, mogu li se diskovi sa vise od
1024 cilindara koristiti bez specijalnih muvanja pod linuxom, tj. da ih on
automatski vidi i ispravno koristi?
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1022postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:03:17 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
-> BTW, kad sam vec kod novog diska od 516MB, moze li se bez problema pustiti
-> da pod linuxom i kernelom 1.2.9 postoji swap particija od 1024. do 1049.
-> cilindra? Posto je fdisk prijavljivao da mu nesto nije potaman po tom
-> pitanju, zanima me, a verujem i jos koga, mogu li se diskovi sa vise od
-> 1024 cilindara koristiti bez specijalnih muvanja pod linuxom, tj. da ih on
-> automatski vidi i ispravno koristi?
mdave koristi 850Mb, sa nesto muvanja koje je objasnjeno u knjizici koja
ide uz InfoMagic, a ja sam sretni korisnik dva diska od 1024+ cilindara i
nemam nikakvih problema. Jedina fora je da, ako se koristi lilo, kernel
imageovi budu ispod 1024 cilindra, jer oni se citaju preko BIOSa. Ako lilo
prijavi da to nije slucaj, rjesenje je ponovno kopiranje kernel imageta dok
se ovaj ne smiluje da ga i snimi ispod 1024 cilindra :). To sve detektuje
lilo, i kad on prodje, znaci da je sve ok, naravno. Meni se kazem desilo
jednom, i poslije prvog ponovljenog rm/cp sve je bilo ok.
swap moze ladno da bude iznad 1024 cilindra, on se cita tek kad se kernel
inicijalizira.
unix.1023mitar,
Postoji li neki poseban nacin za brisanje XENIX particije sa diska i vracanje
celog diska pod MS_DOS?
unix.1024vlad,
> Postoji li neki poseban nacin za brisanje XENIX particije sa diska i
> vracanje celog diska pod MS_DOS?
Probaj da mu prepises nulama prvih nekoliko (fizickih) sektora.
Mozes Norton DiskEdit-om, nije problem. Posle fdisk, format...
unix.1025ppekovic,
>> Postoji li neki poseban nacin za brisanje XENIX particije sa
>> diska i vracanje celog diska pod MS_DOS?
DOS fdisk od verzije 6.0 ili beše 6.2, briše i ne-dos particije.
Xenix particiju možeš obrisati i iz samog Xenix-a, komandom fdisk :)
Paya
unix.1026wizard,
> Srećna vest!
>
> Novell je prodao UNIX!
>
> I to SCO-u.
Može li neko dodatno objašnjenje - šta podrazumevaš pod tim
"prodao Unix"?
I zašto je to (i za koga) srećna vest? Za Borland? ;)
unix.1027spantic,
> Može li neko dodatno objašnjenje - šta podrazumevaš pod tim
> "prodao Unix"?
Prodao je, zapravo to i nije tako prosto pošto je dobijen
deo deonica i udeo u dobiti, UNIX Labs.
A da stvar bude zanimljiva, upotreba zaštitnog imena UNIX
već neko vreme nije u vlasništvu Novella, tako da SCO i
dalje ne može da naziva svoje proizvode prosto UNIX.
Inače, sada bi Novell trebao da u SCO-u drži više deonica
od Microsofta iliti MS nije većinski vlasnik, već drži oko 12%.
unix.1028iznogud,
:: Inače, sada bi Novell trebao da u SCO-u drži više deonica
:: od Microsofta iliti MS nije većinski vlasnik, već drži oko 12%.
Najzanimljivije je to što sada dve firme koje proizvode softver za
mrežne servere drže većinski deo (12% + 17% = ohoho) treće firme koja
proizvodi softver za, pogađate, mrežne servere.
unix.1029eotek,
Clients:
izasao je Chameleon 4.5, by NetManage, (http://www.netmanage.com)
obuhvata 6 "InternetSuite"-a, dakle "sve" sto treba, a optional je i
NFS client i NFS server (navodno trosi samo oko 6-8K memorije za bilo
koji od programa) - a zbog NFS i memorije: ko ima nek se javi,
"necu mu nista" ...
Te InternetSuit-ove prave sada mnogi:
- najintegrisaniji (?) je "Emisary" by Wollong (http://www.twg.com)
- "InternetSuite" by Quaterdeck sada izlazi (http://www.qdeck.com),
sa najavom: "Netscape and InternetInABox, dady is home"
- "Mariner" by NCD (http://www.ncd.com) (dobro ime za firmu ;)
Ako neko od uvazenih netizens moze i da nas pocasti nekim
od ovih tekstova bilo bi lepo ...
unix.1030eotek,
nekako mi se cini da ovde pripada:
"Microsoft Internet Assistant", add-on for Word 6.0,
_free_ HTML editor (pravi, ne makro, sa posebnim toolbarovima and
special menu) radi onako kako ocekujemo, radi i kao browser,
dobio najvise ocene - al ga nafalih na nevidjeno ...
Hoce li neka dobra da ga dusa uveze ovamo (http://www.microsoft.com)
unix.1031spantic,
> "Microsoft Internet Assistant", add-on for Word 6.0,
> _free_ HTML editor (pravi, ne makro, sa posebnim toolbarovima and
Tu je on davno, relativno je upotrebljiv, doduše.
unix.1032dpop,
Kako se vidi zadnjih mjeseci je stisala euforija oko DosEmu ali u
cijeloj gunguli nisam nasao odgovor na meni interesantno pitanje:
"Kako pristupiti korektno Stacker v.4.0 komprimiranom volumenu iz
DosEmu ?", ako je to ikako i moguce. A bilo je nekih najava od
>>POSTMAST-a<< u poruci PC.OS.5:UNIX:17, kako se vidi iz dole
prilozenog, da je to (mozda) rjeseno. Na moje upite nisam dobio
odgovor. Ako je neko drugi spreman da podijeli svoja dragocjena
iskustva po tom pitanju O.K. Thanks !
> From: acal@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Lazarevic)
> Subject: Re: Dosemu ....
> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:42:15 GMT
> > : AcaL
> KONACNO sam namestio Dosemu (sad mi i sa steckerom radi !!!)
> Problem je inace bio u .dosrc fajlu koji se na volseban
> nacin zadesio u mom root diru...
S
unix.1033ppekovic,
>> > "Microsoft Internet Assistant", add-on for Word 6.0,
>> > _free_ HTML editor (pravi, ne makro, sa posebnim
>> toolbarovima and
>>
>> Tu je on davno, relativno je upotrebljiv, doduše.
Izašla je skoro nova verzija, 2.0 valjda. Takođe, videh na MS ftp
serveru beta verziju novog Internet Explorer-a v2.0. Koliko sam stigao
da vidim, izgleda su glavni dodaci u pravcu prilagođavanja WWW-a za
finansijske transakcije. VISA i Microsoft su skoro napravili par
specifikacija za finansijske transakcije i proveru autentičnosti
uopšte.
Paya
unix.1034eotek,
>>> > "Microsoft Internet Assistant", add-on for Word 6.0,
>
> Izasla je skoro nova verzija, 2.0 valjda. Takode, videh na MS
bulaja ?
unix.1035zormi,
*>> > _free_ HTML editor (pravi, ne makro, sa posebnim
*>> toolbarovima and
*>>
*>> Tu je on davno, relativno je upotrebljiv, doduše.
*
* Izašla je skoro nova verzija, 2.0 valjda. Takođe, videh na MS ftp
* serveru beta verziju novog Internet Explorer-a v2.0.
2. MICROSOFT SHIPS BETA RELEASE OF INTERNET
EXPLORER VERSION 2.0
New Features Provide More Powerful Web Support, Secure
Transactions, Multimedia, 3-D Capabilities
Sept. 28, 1995 - Microsoft Corp. today announced it is
releasing beta copies of the Microsoft Internet Explorer
version 2.0, the newest version of its Internet browser for
the Windows(R) 95 operating system. Internet Explorer 2.0
enhances the World Wide Web support already provided in
version 1.0 and adds new functionality such as support for
secure transactions, tables, multimedia and 3-D graphics.
Internet Explorer 2.0 includes support for HyperText
Markup Language (HTML) 3.0 tables; access to Internet
newsgroups; a toolbar button for instant access to the
Web's most powerful search engines; and the ability to run
animations using client-pull technology. The addition of
special Internet tokens, called "cookies," enables Web
surfers to shop at their favorite Internet outlets.
Internet Explorer 2.0 also provides users with a secure
environment. Complete support for Secure Sockets Layer
(SSL) and RSA encryption allows integration with secure
sites. In addition, Internet Explorer 2.0 will support
Private Communication Technology (PCT), which is an
efficient and secure upgrade to the SSL protocol. Internet
Explorer will also support Secure Transaction Technology
(STT), an electronic payment technology jointly developed
by Microsoft and Visa International, as soon as
it is available (for more information on accessing the
Microsoft-Visa announcement, please see "NEW POSTINGS..."
below in this issue - article #6).
Supports Leading-Edge Multimedia, 3-D Animation
Web pages are becoming more sophisticated, and Internet
Explorer 2.0 provides new features and HTML extensions
to take full advantage of their capabilities. It supports
inline AVIs for embedded videos, scrolling banners,
background audio and context-sensitive menus.
Internet Explorer will also support inline Virtual Reality
Markup Language (VRML) for fast viewing of 3-D objects
and animations. Microsoft plans to deliver VRML technology
for Internet Explorer and Windows 95 based on the high-
speed Reality Lab Engine by the end of 1995. The 3-D
support in Internet Explorer is the first step toward
bringing interactive 3-D to the Internet. In addition there
is progressive rendering, read-ahead mode, a multithreaded
user interface and support for HyperText Transport
Protocol (HTTP) Keep-Alive.
Easiest Internet Access, Designed Specifically for Windows 95
The new version of Internet Explorer builds on the advances
introduced in version 1.0, which debuted last month along
with the introduction of Windows 95. Internet Explorer is
designed specifically to take full advantage of the
advancements in Windows 95 and to offer customers easy
Internet access and high performance.
Internet Explorer mirrors the easy-to-use Windows 95
interface, supports Windows(R) Shortcuts to the Internet,
includes an Internet tutorial and comprehensive search
engine, supports full drag and drop of text and graphics,
shields users from Internet jargon (such as "protocols"
and "data types"), and works well with other Windows 95-
based applications.
High Performance, Richer User Interface
In addition to its ease of use, the Internet Explorer
provides fast and full access to the World Wide Web based
on its support for all popular Internet standards. It
supports all industry-standard HTML tags, so users can read
the broad range of Internet content. It supports proxy
servers, making it compatible with corporate security
mechanisms for Internet access. Proxy servers allow
protected access to the Internet through corporate
firewalls. Internet Explorer 2.0 also preserves the
original look of Web-page text and graphics, enabling end
users to view content as authors designed it to look.
The Internet Explorer is also the first Internet browser to
ship with the RealAudio Player, allowing users equipped
with conventional multimedia PCs and voice-grade telephone
lines to browse, select and play back audio or audio-based
multimedia content in real time.
The beta version of Internet Explorer 2.0 is available to
download at no charge (other than the cost, if applicable,
of online time while downloading) from the Windows 95
website at http://www.windows.microsoft.com.
unix.1036postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 01:36:24 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-25-95 13:02 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Helem, glede ovoga problema kod andre(j?)e, nisam se sretao sa
Ipak - Andrea, onako muski..... :)
Dr> slicnim, ali posto otkazuje na pokusaje fsck/debugfs jedino sto mi
Dr> ovako na suvo pada na pamet je da se proba sa rezervnim superblokom ili
Dr> kako se to vec zove. Znaci, fsck /dev/hdb1 8191 ili slicno, ne mogu
Dr> sada da se sjetim po kom uzorku on to pravi, ali cu pogledam okolo.
Dr> Preporucujem sljedece
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 776 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.lsm
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 430753 /pub/Incoming/ext2ed-0.1.tar.gz
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 685 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.lsm
Dr> -rw-r--r-- 1 dragisha 44235 /pub/Incoming/Ext2fs-overview-0.1.ps.gz
Bam bam bam, izgleda da sam napravio molto grande glupost pre neki dan, a
glede (sto ti rece) mojega linux disk problema.
Naime, posto sam postao srecni vlasnik novog 540M djiska, quantum
maverick, ja sam si resio da stavim novi linux, sa kernelom 1.2.3, bice
da je to 2.1.x distribucija. Uglavnom, stavim ja njega na novi disk i
ustanovim da njegov fsck uspeva da da neki info u vezi one skrkane
particije na starom disku. Posto se ja, je li, ponadam da ce on stvar da
sredi, pustim ja njega da se zabavlja sa starim linuxom, i on uradi
kojekakve brljoke za koje mi se cini da su mi sad skroz na skroz
upropastile fajlove. Prijavljivao je neke silne poruke tipa "blabla block
8192 not valid, copying to 8193. WARNING : SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE!
Continue?<Y>" na sta sam ja je li manijakalno pritiskao Y sve u nadi da ce
stvar da se sredi.
Posle prvog seta takvih poruka krenuo je da nesto drlja, i to nesto je
trajalo dobrih 10 minuta, a onda je krenuo ispocetka da fsck-uje i da
prijavljuje iste probleme za iste blokove i tako ukrug.
Posle toga probam ja foru sa fsck /dev/hdb1 8193, pa 16385, i tako redom,
ali cvrc, nece nista da pomogne.
Sad, pitanje vrlo prosto : imam li ja uopste bilo sta preostalo na disku
ili ne? I cemu tolike greske prilikom kopiranja blokova sa jedne na drugu
lokaciju, a disk zdrav?
Jos cu da pomislim da ext2fs nije nista bolji od dos-a.... :-/
BTW, kad sam vec kod novog diska od 516MB, moze li se bez problema pustiti
da pod linuxom i kernelom 1.2.9 postoji swap particija od 1024. do 1049.
cilindra? Posto je fdisk prijavljivao da mu nesto nije potaman po tom
pitanju, zanima me, a verujem i jos koga, mogu li se diskovi sa vise od
1024 cilindara koristiti bez specijalnih muvanja pod linuxom, tj. da ih on
automatski vidi i ispravno koristi?
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1037postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: COMMERCIAL: Slackware 3.0 released
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:44:36 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Patrick J. Volkerding ]
[ Posted on Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:36:36 GMT ]
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Announcing the release of Slackware Linux 3.0 ELF!
Slackware is a complete personal workstation operating system
based on the Linux kernel and an extensive collection of free
software and shareware from the net.
Here are just a few of the new features in Slackware 3.0:
ELF binary format!
This version uses the ELF binary format and shared libraries
for all major software included. There are a few binaries we
don't have the source code for (DOOM(tm), for example) that
still use the a.out binary format -- for those we provide a
a complete set of a.out libraries that assure complete
compatibility with any existing Linux application.
Updated development tools:
A professional-quality development system is provided for all
your programming needs. You can develop binaries in either the
ELF or a.out format. In the past it was extremely difficult
for most people to build shared libraries under Linux, especially
if they planned to share them with other Linux users. Using ELF,
you can build shared libraries as easily as static ones -- with
just a single load command!
Complete language support!
Almost any programming language you'd want to use is included,
ready to use. Here are some of the compilers and interpreters
you'll get:
GNU GCC 2.7.0 (C, C++, and Objective-C)
GNU G77-0.5.16 (Fortran-77)
f2c (Fortran-77 to C translator)
p2c (Pascal to C translator)
BASIC
Perl 4, and Perl 5.001m (with ELF dynamic loading)
Berkeley Yacc and GNU bison parser generators
flex 2.5.2 lexical analyzer generator
GNU Common LISP 2.1
Latest version of XFree86:
Slackware uses the X window system from XFree86 3.1.2, based on
X11R6. This adds support for several new high-performance video
chipsets such as the S3 968/868.
Intel Binary Compatibility Specification module:
The iBCS module allows many binaries from other OS's to run on Linux!
i386 BSD (386BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, BSDI/386) - very experimental.
SVR4 (Interactive, Unixware, USL, Dell etc.)
SVR3 generic
SCO (SVR3 with extensions for symlinks and long filenames)
Wyse V/386 (SVR3 with extensions for symlinks)
Xenix V/386 (386 small model binaries only), Xenix 286
Updated Linux kernels:
In addition to the 1.2.13 bootdisks and kernels, 1.3.18 kernels are
also provided. This offers installation support for some new SCSI
cards (including the Adaptec 2940) and several new CDROM drives.
... and a whole lot more!
The latest version of Emacs, SLIP/PPP networking, Tcl/Tk script
languages, updated ncurses library (1.9.4), new video games (such
as Crack Dot Com's ABUSE for Linux), XView, UUCP, mailx, dip, PPP,
deliver, elm, pine, BSD sendmail, PCMCIA support, cnews, nn, tin,
trn, inn...
Slackware 3.0 is available from the central FTP site:
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/slackware-3.0
As well as many mirror sites throughout the world. If possible, try to
use a site near you. Use care with the mirror sites for the next several
days, as they might not have completely caught up with the new release.
I'm sure they'll catch up soon, though.
Other well-known mirror sites include:
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware
ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/distributions/slackware
ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu:/pub/systems/linux/distributions/slackware
A list of international sites can be obtained at:
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/slackware-3.0/MIRRORS.TXT
Slackware on CDROM from Walnut Creek CDROM:
For the ultimate in convenience, you can order the official Slackware
CDROM -- a 2 disc set with the complete Slackware FTP archive, a full
live filesystem, and the best of Linux archives from around the internet.
We can probably ship it to you faster than you can download it. :^)
You can install directly from the CDROM with most CDROM drives:
Any SCSI CDROM drive on a supported controller
Any IDE/ATAPI cdrom drive
Aztech CD-ROM CDA268-01A, ORCHID CD-3110
OKANO/WEARNES CDD110 CDROM drives
Sony CDU-31A or Sony CDU-33A
Sony CDU-535 or Sony CDU-531
Phillips cm206 CDROM drive with a cm260 interface
GoldStar R420 CDROM drive
Mitsumi CRMC LU005S, FX001S, FX001D
Optics Storage 8000 AT CDROM drive
Matsushita, Kotobuki, Panasonic, CreativeLabs:
CR-521, CR-522, CR-523, CR-562, CR-563
Longshine LCS-7260 CDROM drive
IBM External ISA CDROM Drive
TEAC CD-55A CDROM drive
Sanyo CDR-H94A CDROM drive
This two disc CDROM set contains a huge collection of utilities and
documentation for Linux. The first disc contains the Slackware Linux
distribution ready to install from CDROM, all related source code, and
a complete live filesystem. You can elect to run almost entirely from
the CDROM if you wish, using only about 10 megabytes of your hard drive.
It's even possible to install to an existing uncompressed MS-DOS
partition in a C:\LINUX directory. The second CDROM contains a carefully
selected collection of files from the sunsite and tsx-11 ftp sites --
almost everything ported to linux that exists!
If you want the best version of Linux, Slackware Linux, this is the product
for you. This disc set was made in September 1995. The price is $39.95.
Subscription Information:
The Slackware Linux disc is available by subscription. We update the
Slackware Linux disc about every three months. When we have a new version
we ship them to our subscribers. We bill your credit card when we ship. The
cost is only $24.95 for Slackware Linux. The standard shipping charge
applies.
Shipping is $5 in the USA, Canada, and Mexico for First Class. Overseas is
$9 PER ORDER. There is an additional $3 COD charge (USA Only). UPS Blue
Label (2nd day) [USA Only] is $10 PER ORDER, UPS Red Label (next day) [USA
Only] is $15 PER ORDER. Federal Express (next day) [USA Only] is $20 PER
ORDER. For overseas courier rates, please email us.
Ordering Information:
You can order by sending a check or money order to
Walnut Creek CDROM
Suite D-899
4041 Pike Lane
Concord CA 94520
USA
1 800 786-9907 (24 hour toll free Sales)
+1 510 674-0783 (24 hour sales)
+1 510 603-1234 (9-5 M-F tech support)
+1 510 674-0821 (FAX)
orders@cdrom.com (For placing an order)
info@cdrom.com (For requesting more information or
for customer service questions)
support@cdrom.com (For technical questions and technical support)
We accept Mastercard, Visa, Discover, Diner's Club, Carte Blanche,
and American Express. ALL credit card orders must include a phone or
fax number. If you do not trust email with your credit card number,
please give us a call or fax us your order.
The most current version of the Walnut Creek CDROM catalog is available
via anonymous ftp from ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/cdrom/catalog, or by fingering
info@cdrom.com.
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Send comp.os.linux.announce submissions to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov
PLEASE remember a short description of the software.
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anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1038postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Oracle7 za SCO na Linuxu
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:55:26 GMT
From: bakicale@cps.msu.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:58:56 -0400
X-Within-Url: http://www.wmd.de/wmd/staff/pauck/misc/oracle_on_linux.html
To: rade@zed.co.yu
Subject: oracle_on_linux.html
INSTALLATION OF ORACLE V 7.0.16.4.0 FOR SCO UNIX ON LINUX V 1.2.1
Prerequisites
Linux kernel
You didn't expect this!
make
We have a GNU make with Linux.
iBCS2 emulator V 1.2-950308
Allows to run binaries from other Unix systems on Linux. I had
this software in my Linux distribution in diskzc1 (german
S.u.S.E. distribution based on Slackware). You must recompile
this, if you built a new kernel.
five SCO Unix executables:
/bin/idar (archiver)
/bin/idas (assembler)
/bin/idld (linker)
/lib/idcpp (preprocessor)
/lib/idcomp (compiler)
Get them, where you can, they are required for installation
only.
200MB space in /usr/local/oracle7
This includes the RDBMS, SQL*Plus, SQL*Net TCP V1 and V2,
common files, the installer, the stage area, messages for all
languages and the default database. With some care, it may be
possible to reduce space requirement to about 120 MB.
Problems during installation
Main problems were:
1. The install procedure did not make the scripts and executables
executable, the mount of the CD under Linux left permissions as
444, no RockRidge extension (?)
2. The installer does not catch all errors, especially when
attempting to compile and link libraries. One must carefully
examine the install.log.
3. It took some time and experiments to figure out that for an easy
installation the SCO executables are required. As an alternative,
one must generate gcc, ld, as ... for SCO systems and use them
instead. This should be possible, but I had the chance to use the
idxx programs.
'Cookbook' for installation
# login as root
# make shure, iBCS2 is running, it is a loadable module
insmod /boot/iBCS
# add a group 'dba'
# add a user 'oracle7' belonging to group 'dba'
# mount CD
mkdir /cdrom
chmod 777 /cdrom
mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /cdrom
# make executable executable
cd /cdrom/orainst
cp cd_link /usr/local/bin
chmod 555 /usr/local/bin/cd_link
# set environment and create directories
export ORACLE_HOME=/usr/local/oracle7
export ORACLE_SID=test
export ORACLE_TERM=vt100
export ORACLE_DOC=$ORACLE_HOME/oracle_doc
mkdir $ORACLE_HOME
mkdir $ORACLE_HOME/bin
mkdir $ORACLE_DOC # later required in installer
mkdir $ORACLE_HOME/stage # required by 'start.sh'
# start installation
bash start.sh
# enter '/usr/local/oracle7/stage' as your oracle_link directory
# ... oracle makes links to whole cd and copies orainst/ dir
chown -R oracle7.dba $ORACLE_HOME
cd $ORACLE_HOME/stage/orainst
# make binaries executable
chmod 755 b10run b10runm cd_link oiuncomp opendev orainst.cm
# make scripts executable
chmod 755 crrtsh.sh oitape oradoc oradocm orafiles orainst rootpre.sh rthd.sh s
tart.sh
# make GNU 'make' available for ORACLE
# we don't need to compile the GNU make, delivered with the ORACLE
# software, as Linux has one by default
ln -s /usr/bin/make $ORACLE_HOME/bin/make
# create a dummy /usr/lbin dir
ln -s /usr/local/bin /usr/lbin
# install SCO utilities required for 'orainst'
cd $ORACLE_HOME
mkdir SCO
cd SCO
mkdir bin
mkdir lib
cd bin
cp ???/idar . # archiver
cp ???/idas . # assembler
cp ???/idld . # linker
cd ../lib
cp ???/idcomp . # compiler
cp ???/idcpp . # preprocessor
cd ..
chmod -R a+x *
# link them to where orainst expects them
cd /bin
ln -s /usr/local/oracle7/SCO/bin/idar
ln -s /usr/local/oracle7/SCO/bin/idas
ln -s /usr/local/oracle7/SCO/bin/idld
cd /lib
ln -s /usr/local/oracle7/SCO/lib/idcomp
ln -s /usr/local/oracle7/SCO/lib/idcpp
# install the installer
cd $ORACLE_HOME
mkdir newoi
cp stage/orainst/* newoi
chown -R oracle7.dba newoi
cd newoi
orainst
# answer all questions, ignore hint to run 'rootpre.sh' for now,
# select 'Install/Upgrade/Patch Software Only',
# then 'Install from Permanent Staging Area' and select
# $ORACLE_HOME/stage as the permanent staging area,
# select only the installer to install. When done, exit the
# installer in newoi with C-x.
cd $ORACLE_HOME/orainst
# Look into $ORACLE_HOME/orainst/install.log for any errors.
# Move 'install.log' anywhere.
# Some files here have now root owner and are later used by oracle7, so
chown oracle7.dba *
# remove temporary directory
cd $ORACLE_HOME
rm -r newoi
cd orainst
# prepare some files; do not install SCO icons, no floppy install
rootpre.sh
# correct permission problems of ORACLE CD
rm $ORACLE_HOME/stage/rdbms/install/dbsup.sh
cp /cdrom/rdbms/install/dbsup.sh $ORACLE_HOME/stage/rdbms/install/dbsup.sh
chmod 755 $ORACLE_HOME/stage/rdbms/install/dbsup.sh
chown oracle7.dba $ORACLE_HOME/stage/rdbms/install/dbsup.sh
# change header file temporarily
cp /usr/include/asm/types.h /usr/include/asm/types.h.ORG
# now edit /usr/include/asm/types.h:
# comment out this lines:
# /*typedef __signed__ char __s8;*/
# /*typedef __signed__ short __s16;*/
# /*typedef __signed__ long __s32;*/
# /*typedef __signed__ long long __s64;*/
# logoff and login as oracle7
export ORACLE_HOME=/usr/local/oracle7
export ORACLE_SID=test
export ORACLE_TERM=vt100
export ORACLE_DOC=$ORACLE_HOME/oracle_doc
export _ORCA_DEBUG=1 # if you want to see some internals
PATH=$ORACLE_HOME/bin:$PATH # $ORACLE_HOME/bin MUST be first
cd $ORACLE_HOME/orainst
# now install the wanted executables
orainst
# again select 'Install/Upgrade/Patch Software Only',
# then 'Install from Permanent Staging Area'
# and then 'ORACLE7 Distributed Database option 7.0.16'
# plus 'ORACLE7 Procedural Option (PL/SQL V2) 2.0.'
# plus 'ORACLE7 Server (RDBMS) 7.0.16.4.0'
# optionally you may select i.e. SQL*Plus, SQL*Net TCP/IP V1 and/or V2
# answer other questions, don't require relinking,
# say yes to 'Would you like to install TCP/IP Protocol Adapter (V2)?'.
# The installation now should take place without any serious error.
# Examine $ORACLE_HOME/orainst/install.log again
# (ignore install.log error '/usr/local/oracle7/bin/gennttab: [:
# too many arguments')
#
# Now you are ready to create a database. Leave the installer,
# move install.log elsewhere and restart the installer again with
orainst
# After the initial questions select 'Create New Database Objects',
# enter/confirm the System Identifier (ORACLE_SID) and you will
# (surprisingly for normal, not ORACLE proven people) again see
# the main window with 'available products' and 'installed products'.
# Select the point 'ORACLE7 Server (RDBMS) 7.0.16.4.0' and install.
# You are asked for some passwords and names/sizes of database
# files. Accept them for a first test, and then the creation of the
# database is done. You may want to have a second window open
# with a 'cd $ORACLE_HOME/orainst; tail -f install.log' to see,
# what's going on, but don't be surprised to find about 235 SQL
# errors, when the data dictionary is created. The scripts always
# do something like: 'drop table ...; create table ...' to be shure,
# the table can successfully be created, but the drop gives an error,
# because on an initial run the table does not exist.
# After the installer tells you about success and leaving the installer,
# you may check the log with:
grep ORA- install.log|grep -v ORA-00942|grep -v ORA-01432|grep -v ORA-01434
# you then should get this list of SQL errors:
ORA-04043: object DBMS_STANDARD does not exist
ORA-04043: object PIDL does not exist
ORA-04043: object PIDL does not exist
ORA-04043: object DIANA does not exist
ORA-04043: object DIANA does not exist
ORA-04043: object DIUTIL does not exist
ORA-04043: object DIUTIL does not exist
ORA-04043: object PSTUBT does not exist
ORA-04043: object PSTUB does not exist
ORA-04043: object SUBPTXT2 does not exist
ORA-04043: object SUBPTXT does not exist
ORA-04043: object DBMS_SNAPSHOT does not exist
ORA-02289: sequence does not exist
ORA-04043: object DBMS_LOCK does not exist
ORA-04043: object DBMS_PIPE does not exist
# I did not check, if this are serious errors until now, because
# the statements, that cause this errors are not echoed by the scripts,
# but I'm quite sure, they are expected errors of the same sort as above
# YOUR DATABASE SHOULD NOW BE UP AND RUNNING!
# Check with
ps -a
# you should see this 5 processes
9363 v02 S 0:00 ora_pmon_test
9364 v02 S 0:00 ora_dbwr_test
9365 v02 S 0:00 ora_lgwr_test
9366 v02 S 0:09 ora_smon_test
9367 v02 S 0:00 ora_reco_test
# Check access to the database with:
sqldba mode=line
SQLDBA> connect system
# give in the password, when asked
SQLDBA> select * from cat;
# you should see about 60 names of tables, views and synonyms.
# Try to shut down the database (as user oracle7):
SQLDBA> connect internal
SQLDBA> shutdown
# after a while you should see 3 messages:
Database closed.
Database dismounted.
ORACLE instance shut down.
# start it up again:
SQLDBA> startup
# after a while you should see messages similar to this:
ORACLE instance started.
Database mounted.
Database opened.
Total System Global Area 4448020 bytes
Fixed Size 40100 bytes
Variable Size 3990128 bytes
Database Buffers 409600 bytes
Redo Buffers 8192 bytes
# leave SQLDBA:
SQLDBA> exit
# as root, run $ORACLE_HOME/orainst/root.sh
cd $ORACLE_HOME/orainst
export ORACLE_SERVER=T # to get entries in /etc/services
root.sh
# as root, clean up
# change modified system files back to original
cp /usr/include/asm/types.h.ORG /usr/include/asm/types.h
# remove executables only required for installation
rm /usr/local/bin/cd_link
cd /
rm bin/idar bin/idas bin/idld lib/idcomp lib/idcpp
cd $ORACLE_HOME
rm -r SCO
# If the default sizes of the database are not, what you wanted,
# you find 2 scripts in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs: crdbtest.sql crdb2test.sql
# Feel free to modify the statements in it, shut down the database,
# remove all files in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs named '*test.dbf' and '*test.ctl',
# in 'crdb2test.sql' uncomment this lines:
# #set termout on
# #set echo on
# #spool crdb2test.lst
# then execute the scripts with SQLDBA
SQLDBA> connect internal
SQLDBA> @crdbtest.sql
SQLDBA> @crdb2test.sql
# to get a new database with your sizes created.
_________________________________________________________________
Georg Rehfeld <rehfeld@wmd.de>, June 1995
--
Aleksandar Bakic CS graduate student at Michigan State University
e-mail: bakicale@cps.msu.edu
--
Rade Zonjic (rade@zed.co.yu) \ \...................\ \
\location:\ \organization:\
\Cyberhome\...................\ ->YUCCA<- \
unix.1039postmast,
From: bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.CO.YU (Misa Trivkovic)
Subject: mtools + Windows 95
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:40:55 GMT
Samo malo obavestenje :), ako sa mcopy kopirate nesto na Windows 95 particiju
i to jos u \, pa to prekinete sa ctrl-c, ode particija bolje nego format-om...
bdm
unix.1040postmast,
From: rade+@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Radivoje Zonjic)
Subject: Linux Counter: There are 21059 registered Linux users
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 00:27:12 GMT
[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
[ Author was Harald T. Alvestrand ]
[ Posted on Thu, 05 Oct 95 18:01:16 GMT ]
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The Linux Counter is an attempt to provide at least one basis for guesstimating
how many Linux users there are in the world. It has been running since
September 1993.
An uptodate version is always available by anonymous FTP from
ftp://aun.uninett.no/pub/misc/linux-counter, together with other
reports based on the same material, and on the Web at
http://domen.uninett.no/~hta/linux/counter.
The report should be posted to col.misc every month, but this hasn't worked
for several months; please have patience with me.
To register:
WWW:
Start at http://domen.uninett.no/~hta/linux/counter, and follow the links.
EMAIL:
To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
linux-counter@uninett.no, with the SUBJECT line being one of
I use Linux at home
I use Linux at work
I use Linux at school
The reply will contain information about how to register more
information about yourself, your machine and your friends, if you
want to.
Status of the Linux counter, as of Wed Oct 4 05:02:54 MET 1995
There are 21059 registered Linux users
I estimate this as being between 0.2 and 5% of the total number of Linux users,
giving the total community size something between 421.180 and 10.529.500 members.
See the file README.ESTIMATES for the details of why I think so.
PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
==========================
Self Other Sum %Sum Place
16098 354 16452 77% home
5827 206 6033 28% work
1874 578 2452 11% school
1749 99 1848 8% somewhere
69 0 69 0% not used
- --------------------------
20010 1118 21128 100% TOTAL
NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not
the sum of the columns.
COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED
=============================
Country Self Other Sum MPop Linux/M
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
1 fi Finland 771 13 784 5.1 152.1
2 is Iceland 35 1 36 0.3 134.1
3 no Norway 351 1 352 4.3 81.4
4 se Sweden 443 13 456 8.8 50.5
5 dk Denmark 244 2 246 5.2 47.0
6 nl Netherlands 637 10 647 15.4 41.5
7 ca Canada 1026 41 1067 28.1 36.5
8 us USA 9050 191 9241 260.7 34.7
9 au Australia 585 21 606 18.1 32.3
10 at Austria 221 14 235 7.9 28.0
11 si Slovenia 54 5 59 2.0 27.6
12 de Germany 2119 71 2190 81.1 26.1
13 ch Switzerland 167 1 168 7.0 23.7
14 nz New Zealand 67 2 69 3.4 19.8
15 be Belgium 185 507 692 10.1 18.3
16 ie Ireland 64 4 68 3.5 18.1
17 gb Great Britain 1000 22 1022 58.1 17.2
18 bm Bermuda 1 0 1 0.1 16.4
19 il Israel 82 2 84 5.0 16.2
20 ee Estonia 26 7 33 1.6 16.2
21 sg Singapore 46 0 46 2.9 16.1
22 hk Hong Kong 73 0 73 5.9 12.4
23 fr France 610 29 639 57.8 10.5
24 lu Luxembourg 4 0 4 0.4 10.0
25 cr Costa Rica 28 0 28 3.1 9.0
26 hu Hungary 73 6 79 10.3 7.1
27 pt Portugal 72 2 74 10.5 6.8
28 it Italy 390 17 407 58.1 6.7
29 hr Croatia 29 0 29 4.7 6.2
30 gr Greece 59 1 60 10.1 5.9
31 cz Czech Rebublic 53 4 57 10.4 5.1
32 bz Belize 1 0 1 0.2 4.8
33 es Spain 173 6 179 39.3 4.4
34 za South Africa 123 0 123 30.2 4.1
35 tw Taiwan 70 1 71 21.3 3.3
36 cl Chile 36 0 36 13.5 2.7
37 jp Japan 297 0 297 125.1 2.4
38 sr Suriname 1 0 1 0.4 2.4
39 pr Puerto Rico 8 0 8 3.8 2.1
40 mo Macau 1 0 1 0.5 2.1
41 uy Uruguay 6 0 6 3.2 1.9
42 kr Korea (South) 83 8 91 45.1 1.8
43 kw Kuwait 3 0 3 1.8 1.6
44 pl Poland 62 12 74 38.4 1.6
45 pa Panama 4 0 4 2.6 1.6
46 sk Slovakia 8 1 9 5.4 1.5
47 lv Latvia 4 0 4 2.7 1.5
48 ro Romania 29 2 31 23.2 1.3
49 jm Jamaica 3 0 3 2.6 1.2
50 my Malaysia 17 1 18 18.0 0.9
51 lt Lithuania 3 0 3 3.8 0.8
52 ar Argentine 24 1 25 32.7 0.7
53 na Namibia 1 0 1 1.5 0.7
54 bg Bulgaria 5 0 5 8.8 0.6
55 ru Russia 76 4 80 149.6 0.5
56 ve Venezuela 10 0 10 20.1 0.5
57 br Brazil 76 7 83 158.7 0.5
58 mk Macedonia 1 0 1 2.2 0.5
59 mx Mexico 36 4 40 92.2 0.4
60 ec Ecuador 4 0 4 10.5 0.4
61 tr Turkey 20 1 21 60.9 0.3
62 co Colombia 10 0 10 34.3 0.3
63 lb Lebanon 1 0 1 3.6 0.3
64 ua Ukraine 9 1 10 51.9 0.2
65 th Thailand 10 0 10 59.5 0.2
66 ph Philippines 11 2 13 68.5 0.2
67 yu Yugoslavia (Serbia and Mo 1 0 1 10.8 0.1
68 cs Czechoslovakia (former) 1 0 1 15.7 0.1
69 eg Egypt 3 0 3 60.8 0.0
70 id Indonesia 9 24 33 197.2 0.0
71 in India 38 6 44 919.9 0.0
72 pk Pakistan 5 5 10 125.2 0.0
73 xe Europe (Somewhere in it) 12 0 12 320.0 0.0
74 xs Soviet Union (former) 3 1 4 147.4 0.0
75 xx Unknown 39 44 83 5000.0 0.0
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unix.1041postmast,
From: Dragan.Nikolic%p7.f101.n101.z38@setnet.setnet.co.yu (Dragan Nikolic)
Subject: Re: LINUX na hard disku? Ne, ne, kolega, nesto ste pobrkali...
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 01:08:02
-=> Quoting Sasa Sekulic je 27 Sep 95 01:13:01 je izjavio sledece <=-
SS> Evo ukratko moj problem.
SS> Imam Conner CFS-850, sa instaliranim drajverom sa diskove vece od 528
SS> MB (nazalost, imam samo 386 sa IDE kontrolerom i starijim BIOS-om). U
SS> cemu je fazon? Podijelio sam disk na 3 particije, svaka od po ~280 MB,
SS> i to sam uradio iz drajvera. Ne mogu da instaliram Linux na trecu
SS> particiju! Pokusavao sam i sa upisivanjem parametara pri boot:
SS> promptu, sa upisivanjem parametara u fdisk (Linux - x, pa s i c za
SS> upisivanje pravog broja glava i sektora) - uvijek mi pri fdisk p
SS> prikaze da particije ne zavrsavaju na kraju cilindra. Setup nece ni da
SS> se startuje zbog segmentation fault-a. Linux sam inace normalno
SS> instalirao na Maxtor 7245AT, i fino radi. Ja vicem HELP!
SS> A vi?
SS>
SS>
SS> mad.max
SS> Help! I need somebody... Help! Now just anybody... Help! You know I
SS> need someone... HEEEELP!!!
Zdravo Sale!
Evo ja cu pokusati da ti kazem o tome nesto ja doduse tih problema nemam
ali sa zadnjeg Linux kongresa u nemackoj sam po tom pitanju poslusao jedno
predavanje. Tebi zreba uglavno Kernel da bude u particiji ispod 1024
cilindra to znaci onu zadnju particiju podeli u linuxovom fdisku na pola
i na onoj prvoj particiji instaliras linux a ostalo mozes da podelis sa
napomenom da u LILO moras da ubacis i onu particiju koja iznad 1024 cilindra
da bi je imao pri butovanju. Nadam se da sam ti pomogao.:-)
Pozdrav PARA:-)
... GNU is not UNIX
* Origin: Kragujevac BBS; 034/557-529; Rad.vr.: 23.00-06.00 (38:101/101.7)
unix.1042postmast,
From: alexp@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Pavlovic)
Subject: QNX
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:06:22 GMT
unix.1043postmast,
From: alexp@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Aleksandar Pavlovic)
Subject: QNX
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:29:03 GMT
unix.1044postmast,
From: todorp@fon (Predrag Todorovic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:17:21 GMT
Dragan Popovic (dpop@sezam.UUCP) je napisao:
> Kako se vidi zadnjih mjeseci je stisala euforija oko DosEmu ali u
> cijeloj gunguli nisam nasao odgovor na meni interesantno pitanje:
> "Kako pristupiti korektno Stacker v.4.0 komprimiranom volumenu iz
> DosEmu ?", ako je to ikako i moguce. A bilo je nekih najava od
> >>POSTMAST-a<< u poruci PC.OS.5:UNIX:17, kako se vidi iz dole
> prilozenog, da je to (mozda) rjeseno. Na moje upite nisam dobio
> odgovor. Ako je neko drugi spreman da podijeli svoja dragocjena
> iskustva po tom pitanju O.K. Thanks !
Prvo sta znaci korektno? Da li si pristupio nekorektno? Ja nemam stacker 4.0
ali sa verzijom 3 radi vec godinu dana. Mogao bi da posaljes svoj dosemu.conf,
posto ovako ispada vracanje zasto ti ne radi stacker. Ja sad koristim
kernel 1.2.1 i dosemu 0.53.
Pozdrav od Pedje!
ps. Da li si pokusao da disk na kome je stackerisana particija ukljucis u
dosemu.conf kao disk { wholedisk "/dev/..." }? To bi trebalo da radi, a
sto se tice config.sys i autoexec.bat, tu je sve kao i pod dosom.
unix.1045postmast,
From: SALE.OLUJIC@ZAMIR-BG.ztn.apc.org (Aleksandar Olujic)
Subject: Re: Linux Counter: There are 21059 registered Linux users
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 02:15:04 +0100
şşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşş
şşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşş
Public reply to Radivoje Zonjic 's message written on 06.10.95
under subject Linux Counter: There are 21059 registered Linux users
posted in /YU/OS/UNIX newsgroup.
şşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşş
-> [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ]
-> [ Author was Harald T. Alvestrand ]
-> [ Posted on Thu, 05 Oct 95 18:01:16 GMT ]
-> The Linux Counter is an attempt to provide at least one basis for
-> guesstimating how many Linux users there are in the world. It has been
-> running since September 1993.
->
[...]
-> COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED
-> =============================
-> Country Self Other Sum MPop Linux/M
-> - ---------------------------------------------------------------
[...]
-> 67 yu Yugoslavia (Serbia and Mo 1 0 1 10.8 0.1
Ma nije moguce da sam samo ja posalo mail na linux-counter... ?
A jos sam nisam ni drzavljanin :)))
Pozdrav.
Sale
unix.1046logan,
Da li neko zna nesto vise o QNX oper. sistemu
Koja je aktuelna verzija?
Kako se moze nabaviti?
Kako ceo sistem radi na 386,486,586....?
unix.1047spantic,
> From: SALE.OLUJIC@ZAMIR-BG.ztn.apc.org (Aleksandar Olujic)
> -> 67 yu Yugoslavia (Serbia and Mo 1 0 1 10.8 0.1
Teško ;) Verovatnije je da su usporeni.
unix.1048postmast,
From: Dragan.Nikolic%p7.f101.n101.z38@setnet.setnet.co.yu (Dragan Nikolic)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 03:24:02
-=> Quoting Andrea Prunic je 01 Oct 95 22:36:24 je izjavio sledece <=-
AP> From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
AP> Newsgroups: yu.os.unix
AP>
AP> BTW, kad sam vec kod novog diska od 516MB, moze li se bez problema
AP> pustiti da pod linuxom i kernelom 1.2.9 postoji swap particija od
AP> 1024. do 1049. cilindra? Posto je fdisk prijavljivao da mu nesto nije
AP> potaman po tom pitanju, zanima me, a verujem i jos koga, mogu li se
AP> diskovi sa vise od 1024 cilindara koristiti bez specijalnih muvanja
AP> pod linuxom, tj. da ih on automatski vidi i ispravno koristi?
Da samo sa jednim trikom particija na kome bi ti bio kernel mora biti
do 1024 cilindra koliko ja znam:))
Pozdrav PARA:)))
... GNU is not UNIX
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unix.1049postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.21
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:02:46 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.Helsinki.FI) ]
[ Posted on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:21:10 GMT ]
Hi everybody,
I'm back from the US, and (as expected) found a lot of mail in my
mailbox. I've tried to find all the important patches, and have
integrated them into linux-1.3.21. But if you have sent me a patch and
it hasn't shown up, it may well be that I have simply lost it in the
flood..
Anyway, 1.3.21 does the following:
- slightly better make-rules: it should make corretly even if you have
forgotten to do a "make clean" after changing the kernel configuration.
- "msync()" system call, and better shared memory handling.
- updated and fixed ide driver, the new one also is able to handle the
Triton chipset bus master ide features.
- optcd driver update
- the lp driver de-registers the ports it used when unloaded as a
module.
- /proc/scsi doesn't blow up any more (it doesn't work, but it doesn't
hurt anything else, at least).
- updated ksmbfs filesystem: this one should be faster for large
read/write operations.
- updated networking code.. Some ipv6 defines, but no ipv6
functionality yet.
- fixed arp that didn't work for some addresses.
Please do check this out: I hope the 1.3.x series is starting to
stabilize now. And keep the comments coming,
Linus
unix.1050postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.22
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:02:56 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi) ]
[ Posted on Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:59:36 GMT ]
Hi,
I just made a new kernel version available on the normal ftp sites.
1.3.22 does:
- created new top-level directory called "Documentation". I moved some
of the README files there just to start the process, and eventually I
expect all the readmes (except for the top-level general README) to
start to migrate..
- updated alpha tree. This should have most if not all of David M-T's
patches, but I haven't actually tried to compile it myself (I'm
waiting for the faster machine ;-). I'd suggest waiting for
confirmation from David (especially as I changed some of the bit
operations blindly).
- kernel thread support starting to appear. The "clone()" system call
is enabled again, and gives you a finer-granularity "fork()" (in
fact, fork() is internally implemented as a clone() with a specific
set of cloning flags). You can chose to share your file descriptors
across a fork(), for example (so when one process closes a file, the
other process has its file closed) etc. You get "traditional" thread
type behaviour if you clone your VM, files, fs, and signal handler
information.
- pte modifications done through an architecture-specific function to
allow sparc etc people to do special things.
- aztcd driver update
- ide driver update
- mcd driver update
- extended paritition handling updated
- scc driver update
- kmalloc rewritten
- various network updates, mcast routing code etc
Kernel threads still have races when it comes to memory area handling
(one process unmapping an area while another process is using it..), and
it will be a while until kernel threads are really stable and supported.
The current code is usable, if untested, though.
Ok, keep me posted on how this works for you: I'm trying to track down a
few strange reports on the 1.3.x series, and it helps if people do take
the time to test it and pound on it a bit (yes, the 1.2.x series are the
stable kernels, but aren't you 1.2.x people getting a wee bit bored by
them already?)
Linus
unix.1051postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.23
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:03:11 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi) ]
[ Posted on Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:14:42 GMT ]
Eh,
I just made 1.3.23 available, as 1.3.22 had a few problems that made it
more-or-less unusable for some people. I hope 1.3.23 fixes the bootup
panic with the SLIP driver. It should also be better at recognizing
harddisk partitions, but maybe the numbering changed a bit.
If you have problems mounting some of your partitions, could you please
check the bootup messages about the partitioning? It should look
something like this:
Partition check:
hda: xxx
hdb: xxx
and I'd be interested to hear about differences in output between 1.3.23
and earlier kernels..
Other changes
- updates to the ide and ide-cd drivers
- igmp should compile again
- firewall oneliner fix
Keep me posted on the behaviour of this kernel,
Linus
unix.1052postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.26
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:03:19 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi) ]
[ Posted on Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:03:52 GMT ]
Oh, yeah! _Yet_ another linux version is available, and all good kernel
hackers (and everybody else too, of course) are supposed to flood the
ftp-sites with requests for it.
1.3.26 does "interesting" things to the process handling, but I'm
hopeful that it will be stable despite this. And we're getting closer
and closer to full "clone()" functionality and threads (in fact, the
kernel uses "clone()" to do the intial code duplication in init).
Other 1.3.26 features:
- all the mouse drivers should support SIGIO now (the mac emulator
wants this, it seems).
- the mouse drivers can be compiled as modules.
- various networking updates (icmp rewritten by Alan)
- ide-cd driver correctly initializes slave CD's
- scsi tape update
- generic scsi driver updates
- sound driver (bad) timeout bug fixed
- ext and ext2 filesystems as modules
- some SMP header files added (yes, Alan has it working, but no, the
standard kernel sources hasn't got all his patches yet).
- faster BogoMIPS calculations (yes, it now boots 2 seconds faster than
it used to: we're considering changing the name from "Linux" to
"InstaBOOT").
And as usual, I really want to know about any potential problems. Also,
as usual, I don't have time to parse the Oops messages for you, so you
need to do that yourself. I added the "ksymoops" program to the kernel
source tree: you need g++ and the C++ libraries to compile it, but if
you have that you may find it an easier way to parse those pesky oops
messages.
Linus
unix.1053postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.27
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:05:36 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.Helsinki.FI) ]
[ Posted on Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:00:57 GMT ]
It's a bird..
It's a plane..
No, it's KernelMan, faster than a speeding bullet, to your rescue.
Doing new kernel versions in under 5 seconds flat..
[ Actually, it's been more than 24 hours, so I'm allowed ]
1.3.27 is available at the normal kernel sites (and mirrors, although it
is conceivable that mirror sites haven't even caught up with 1.3.26
yet). The 1.3.27 kernel should fix the Oops messages at login if you
used tcsh: it's a different fix than the one I sent out earlier, as I
decided that I used the wrong approach at first.
[ "Technical" digression: the original patch continued to see the page
fault counters as a part of the memory management information, which
doesn't necessarily make sense. The faults were due to the memory
management information having been free'd earlier, and no longer
available at the time a process did a "wait4()".
The 1.3.27 fix is essentially just realizing that the page fault
counters don't count memory management things as much as events that
occur in a thread, and as such the counters should be thread-specific
rather than shared across all threads sharing a common memory map. ]
Anyway, that's one large reason to upgrade to 1.3.27 (if you haven't
even upgraded to 1.3.26: shame on you, you lazy bum!). There are a few
other reasons:
- stallion multiport driver incorporated (previously available as
separate patches).
- sbpcd driver update
- some of the mouse drivers had problems with the modularization code:
that's fixed (I think).
Eh, that's it, I guess. No 300 million dollar unveiling event for this
kernel, I'm afraid, but you're still supposed to think of this as the
"happening of the century" (at least until the next kernel comes along).
Oh, and this is another kernel in that great and venerable "BugFree(tm)"
series of kernels. So be not afraid of bugs, but go out in the streets
and deliver this message of joy to the masses.
Linus
unix.1054postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.27
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:05:46 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.Helsinki.FI) ]
[ Posted on Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:14:16 GMT ]
Linus Torvalds: "Linux-1.3.27" (Sep 14, 16:00):
>
> Oh, and this is another kernel in that great and venerable "BugFree(tm)"
> series of kernels. So be not afraid of bugs, but go out in the streets
> and deliver this message of joy to the masses.
Ehhh.. Ahh.. We seem to have had a off-by-one error, and it's only now
with the advent of the all-new-and-improved (20% more for the SAME
PRICE) 1.3.28 kernel that we're moving into the "BugFree(tm)" series.
1.3.28 has:
- improved module support (notably scsi and sound)
- various minor alpha fixes from David M-T
- the kernel internally uses a "kdev_t" device type, and most of the
work to internally use 24-bit minor numbers has been done.
- ide-cd bugfixes
- console character mapping changes, and a "font reset" ioctl to get
back the original font.
- plip driver update
- /proc/scsi should work again
- updated kernel timer handling for exact timekeeping
- NULL pointer fixes for the updated process handling
Note that this patch applies on top of a _clean_ 1.3.27: if you applied
my earlier pre-patch that fixed the NULL pointer stuff, you need to
un-apply it (" cd /usr/src/linux ; patch -R -p1 < old-patch ") before
applying the real 1.3.28 patch.
Linus
unix.1055postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.31
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:05:56 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi) ]
[ Posted on Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:19:59 GMT ]
I made a new release (aka the "OJ release") of Linux, 1.3.31 available
on the normal ftp-sites. This release adds:
- early SMP support. This is very much "test at your own risk" stuff,
and I haven't really verified that it compiles. You'd better contact
Alan about this if you're interested. Alan Cox.
- various minor alpha patches. David M-T.
- readv/writev emulation (only works for things where you can't
distinguish multiple read/write calls, notably TCP - it' sgood enough
for X11 on the alpha). Me.
- Some networking fixes (the TCP socket cache bug should be gone for
good). Alan Cox.
- Pentium systems will use the internal cycle counter for faster (and
more accurate, I hope) gettimeofday(). Me.
- various network driver updates, should also make quite a few of them
work better on the alpha too.. Paul Gortmaker.
- plip update. Niibe Yutaka.
- eata scsi driver update. Michael Neuffer.
- SCSI tape update (Kai Makisara)
- use ELF core-dumps for elf binaries
Also, if you have SCSI tapes enabled it turns out that 1.3.31 won't
compile on the x86 architecture. Just add this one line to
include/asm-i386/ioctl.h and you should be ok (or just upgrade to an
alpha ;-)
#define _IOC_TYPE(nr) (((nr) >> _IOC_TYPESHIFT) & _IOC_TYPEMASK)
Hope that fixes it..
Linus
unix.1056postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Linux-1.3.32
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:06:19 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Linus Torvalds (Linus.Torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi) ]
[ Posted on Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:50:18 GMT ]
Due to the silly SCSI tape problem, and generally my moving machines
here at the university I decide I might as well release a 1.3.32 kernel
to get me in sync at the new machine. This release
- fixes SCSI tape (and IP_FORWARD) compilations
- fixes a few alpha compilation problems (the SMP patches did bite the
alpha) and adds the patches from David M-T
- changes the default config for Linux/x86 to use IDE CD-ROMs instead
of SCSI. Guess what the new university machine has? ;-)
- fixes the warning of recursive dependencies in the math emulator
- cleans up the NFS client code in the kernel quite a bit, thanks to
Olaf Kirch.
- better ksymoops.cc program that does disassembly too.
The patches aren't that large, but hopefully they clear up some of the
confusion.
Linus
unix.1057postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:40:06 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-25-95 21:40 Bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.co. wrote:
Bd> ## A sta bih radio sa diskeditom kad on verovatno ni ne bi mogao da
Bd> cita po ## linux particiji? I gde da trazim gresku ako bi i citao?
Bd> DE /M cita kao lud, ovo ti je korisno samo pa krpis ASCII fajlove.
Bd> Sa hobbbitona mozes dl-ovati ext2edit ili tako nesto, znaci DE za
Bd> ext2fs.
Jeste, samo imam malih problema pri tome : ne mogu da dobijem hob nikako...
:-((
Nema veze, skinuo sam sa galeba to cudo, ali on trazi instaliran nekakav
readline da bi se kompajlirao, a ja nemam pojma gde to da nadjem, osim opet
na hob-u. I tako u krug....
Kako god bilo, cini mi se da je meni ceo fs krepa' jerbo sam ja stavio na
novi disk novi linux, i pokusao sa njegovim e2fsck-om da pokrpim stvar, ali
mi se cini da je on samo sredio stvar do kr(j)aja.
So, verovatno ce pasti jedan mke2fs /dev/hdb7. :-\
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1058postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:40:14 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-26-95 03:13 Dragan.Nikolic@p7.f101.n101.z38.setnet.co.yu wrote:
ZP> Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Dr> Evo da pokusam da ti pomognem, posto imam jednu veoma dobro
Dr> opremljenu knjigu za Linux(DRX.LINUX sa 1200 strana:-)), pa cu iz nje
Dr> da citiram jedan deo, od kojeg verujem da ce i pomoci.:-)
Dr> filesystem type saves copies of the superblock at "block group"
Dr> boundaries on the drive-usually, every 8K blocks. In order to tell
Dr> e2fsck to use a copy of the superblock, you can use a command such as
Dr> # e2fsck -b 8193 <partition>
Dr> where <partition> is the partition on which the filesystem resides.
Dr> The -b 8193 ption tells e2fsck to use the copy of the superblock stored
Dr> at block 8193 in the filesystem.
Eh da, i to sam pokusao posle svega, ali ni to nece izgleda vise da radi,
posto mi se cini da je ceo superblok deadly dead, zajedno sa samim fs-om i
svim na njemu, tako da cu verovatno morati da radim jedan mke2fs
/dev/hdb7, kao sto vec rekoh...
Nisam imao nista strasno bitno, osim nekih sorsova, ali se nadam da ce se
pojaviti negde nekako ti CD-ovi sa kojih sam ih skidao, a ionako sam vec
stavio novi linux na novi djisk, pa i nije mnogo strasno.
Na kraju, ponovicu svoje administratorske vestine... :)
Anyway, hvala na pomoci, sok moze i 'vako i 'nako. :)
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1059postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:40:23 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-30-95 07:03 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
-> BTW, kad sam vec kod novog diska od 516MB, moze li se bez problema pustiti
-> da pod linuxom i kernelom 1.2.9 postoji swap particija od 1024. do 1049.
-> cilindra? Posto je fdisk prijavljivao da mu nesto nije potaman po tom
-> pitanju, zanima me, a verujem i jos koga, mogu li se diskovi sa vise od
-> 1024 cilindara koristiti bez specijalnih muvanja pod linuxom, tj. da ih on
-> automatski vidi i ispravno koristi?
Dr> mdave koristi 850Mb, sa nesto muvanja koje je objasnjeno u knjizici
Dr> koja ide uz InfoMagic, a ja sam sretni korisnik dva diska od 1024+
Dr> cilindara i nemam nikakvih problema. Jedina fora je da, ako se koristi
Dr> lilo, kernel imageovi budu ispod 1024 cilindra, jer oni se citaju preko
Dr> BIOSa. Ako lilo prijavi da to nije slucaj, rjesenje je ponovno
Dr> kopiranje kernel imageta dok se ovaj ne smiluje da ga i snimi ispod
Dr> 1024 cilindra :). To sve detektuje lilo, i kad on prodje, znaci da je
Dr> sve ok, naravno. Meni se kazem desilo jednom, i poslije prvog
Dr> ponovljenog rm/cp sve je bilo ok.
Dr> swap moze ladno da bude iznad 1024 cilindra, on se cita tek kad se
Dr> kernel inicijalizira.
E 'vako. Da bih namestio sebi je li 13MB swap-a iznad 1024. cinlindra, usao
sam u bios i napisao da disk ima 1049/16/63 sto je on 'ladno progutao (a
sto i ne bi :) i onda digao linux sa boot/root diskete. On se naravno
pobunio kad sam startovao fdisk da ima razlicite fizicke i logicke krajeve
za disk, ali je prosao. Onda sam napravio trecu primarnu particiju (prve
dve su dos), krknuo linux type 82 na tako dobijenih 13MB, pri cemu se fdisk
i dalje bunio oko razlike u logickoj/fizickoj velicini i kako bi to boze
moj moglo da negativno utice na neke programe (!), ali je snimio particionu
tabelu kao takvu. Posle toga ja vrnem u bios-u podatke nazad na 1024/16/63
i linux sad radi sa tim i starim swapom bez problema, tj. prilikom
mount-ovanja kaze "adding swap 13xxxx" pa jos jednom za onu drugu particiju
sa drugog diska.
Kernel jeste na particiji koja je ispod 1024. cilindra i sistem se dize bez
frke.
Jedino sto mene sad zanima da li je to sve sigurno, odnosno da li bi na
starijim plocama bez lba i ostalih zezanja ako mogao da se drzi i linux
native, posto ortak koji je probao istu stvar na svojoj 386dx40 ploci koja
je novija od moje, kaze da ga ima nekih problema. Disk nam je isti, quantum
maverick 540M.
BTW, koje je to muvanje koje se pominje u InfoMagic-ovoj knjizici (blago
tebi pa imas CD...ima li sanse da se on dovuce/dobije na jedno kopiranje?)
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1060postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:40:26 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-30-95 04:12 Mdave@sezam.uucp wrote:
> BTW2, koristim ovu priliku da Vecxu i Dragishu posebno zamolim za
> pomoc, jer ne znam dvojicu vecih znalaca linuxa.
Md> Ijaooo, ijaooo, njih dvojicu u istoj recenici, pa jos vecxa (
Md> Obrovac-Beograd :)))))))))))) ) prvog... ijaooo....
Ahem, buhm, hum hum hum, malo mi nejasno ovo ovdi.....
Sto, sta fali Vecxi&Dragishi? Kad sam bio malji deca za linux, i Tiho mi je
bio bog za isto, a sad su to Vecxa i Dragisha. Mozda otkrijem jos ponekog,
ko zna? :))
A to sto je Vex prvi na spisku je zato sto mi je on blizi k ruci, tako da
mogu (skoro) uvek da odem na etf i da mu kukam na rame junacko ako mi
nesto krepa od linuxa, a Dragishi, jel'te, ne mogu. Mlogo mi daleko...:)
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1061postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:25:06 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
-> Jedino sto mene sad zanima da li je to sve sigurno, odnosno da li bi na
-> starijim plocama bez lba i ostalih zezanja ako mogao da se drzi i linux
-> native, posto ortak koji je probao istu stvar na svojoj 386dx40 ploci koja
-> je novija od moje, kaze da ga ima nekih problema. Disk nam je isti, quantum
-> maverick 540M.
Moja ploca je sve samo ne nova. LBA, nikad cula :).
-> BTW, koje je to muvanje koje se pominje u InfoMagic-ovoj knjizici (blago
-> tebi pa imas CD...ima li sanse da se on dovuce/dobije na jedno kopiranje?)
Uglavnom ne, ima toga dosta i po BG, ali ne mislim d ti je to nesto
isplatno. Mene su 4CD kostala 40ak DEM ($25+$5), a snimanje samo jednog aje
valjda toliko. Ima i u Madjarskoj, tamo su ga ljudi kupovali.
dd
unix.1062vitez.koja,
#=> -> 67 yu Yugoslavia (Serbia and Mo 1 0 1 10.8 0.1
#=>
#=> Ma nije moguce da sam samo ja posalo mail na
#=> linux-counter... ? A jos sam nisam ni drzavljanin :)))
Nisi ti u pitanju... tvoj glas, kao i svi ostali glasovi
eventualno poslati odavde do pre par nedelja otišli su ili
pod Europe ili pod World (ako si poslao sa .org domena).
Mi smo dodati tek pre tih par nedelja, a sa nama su upali i
Makedonci i još jedna zemlja.
unix.1063ikordic,
RE: May the Schwartz be with you
=> 19:17:08 -0700): "I had never ever been instructed not to run
=> Crack while at Intel. I had started running it on my own
Bogte, koliko frke oko gluposti. A ovo gore je u najmanju ruku smešno -
"nenene, nisam ja masovni ubica, kada sam se zaposlio u firmu niko mi nije
eksplicitno rekao da NE smem da kasapim kolege testerom". Bezveze.
I čemu ovolika buka oko svega toga? Tip je povredio postojeće zakone, bio je
svestan svojih postupaka i išao je na šemu "ma, neće me provaliti". Da li iza
svega ovoga stoji neki dublji razlog koji se ne može išćitati iz poruka koje
su ovde okačene, pa otuda te razne fors grupe?
unix.1064.sima,
Hi
Gde se moze sada moze naci Linux.
unix.1065postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:08:16 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: -> Pa davim jerbo je po newsovima bash bilo frke sa slucajem Randala, mnogo
: -> kontraverznih pricica, motiva ... zamalo pa da stvore novi OJ trial.
:
: Ma kakve kontroverze, BrE?! Sve je kao dan jasno, i kad procitas security
: report o crackovima i gateu treba bas da mu budes obozavalac pa da ne vidis
: da je kriv 101%.
Trollu!:) Ne vuci me za x taster :).
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
anubis@ho.com
anubis@cview.com
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1066postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:31:25 GMT
Srdan Simic (.sima@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Hi
: Gde se moze sada moze naci Linux.
^^^^ ^^^^
Na galebu (ili RC-u ETF-a) ,
Vukota
unix.1067postmast,
From: ian@upstream.UUCP (Ivan Nejgebauer)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:41:01 GMT
In article <sezam$unix:01.054.4017@sezam> "Dragan Popovic"
<dpop@sezam.UUCP> writes:
>> Kako se vidi zadnjih mjeseci je stisala euforija oko DosEmu ali u
>> cijeloj gunguli nisam nasao odgovor na meni interesantno pitanje:
>> "Kako pristupiti korektno Stacker v.4.0 komprimiranom volumenu iz
>> DosEmu ?", ako je to ikako i moguce.
Ne znam kako je Stacker namesten kod tebe, ali ja sam se jos iz
vremena verzije 2.0 navikao da se ucitava kao drajver iz CONFIG.SYS, i
nisam to menjao ni u 4.0. Sa takvom konfiguracijom je dosemu radio iz
prve, u pocetku sa wholedisk a onda i sa partition. I radi do danas.
Dosemu je 0.53pl44, kernel 1.2.8, DOS 6.0.
--
// E-mail: ian@panon.ns.ac.yu //
unix.1068postmast,
From: damjan.janev@informa.mk (Damjan Janev)
Subject: dosemu
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:25:00 GMT
Koja je najnovija verzija dosemu-a? Meni treba neka koja radi sa 1.2.8
kernelom.
damJANev (damjan.janev@informa.mk ; ljanev@cerera.etf.ukim.edu.mk)
P.S. Dali pod dosemu rade CD-ROM, Sound Blaster i ostale hardveske
zavrzlame?
---
■ ATP/Linux 1.42 ■ Cities, like cats, will reveal themselves at night.
unix.1069postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:00:30 GMT
Igor Kordic (ikordic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> RE: May the Schwartz be with you
-> => 19:17:08 -0700): "I had never ever been instructed not to run
-> => Crack while at Intel. I had started running it on my own
-> Bogte, koliko frke oko gluposti. A ovo gore je u najmanju ruku smesno -
-> "nenene, nisam ja masovni ubica, kada sam se zaposlio u firmu niko mi nije
-> eksplicitno rekao da NE smem da kasapim kolege testerom". Bezveze.
-> I cemu ovolika buka oko svega toga? Tip je povredio postojece zakone, bio je
-> svestan svojih postupaka i isao je na semu "ma, nece me provaliti". Da li iza
-> svega ovoga stoji neki dublji razlog koji se ne moze iscitati iz poruka koje
-> su ovde okacene, pa otuda te razne fors grupe?
Ma nemam pojma koji je anubisu da davi s tim xpostovima, ja sam prije par
dana naisao na URL, pogledao security raport iz Intela i sve je jasno.
Covjek je crackovao 2-3 passwd fajla, na tudjim resursima, pa se logovao
kroz firewall i tako to...
Fora je sto je medju Perl korisnicima jako poznat i to dize ovu frku.
dd
unix.1070postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:50:35 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-25-95 21:40 Bdm@rainbird.hobbiton.co. wrote:
Bd> ## A sta bih radio sa diskeditom kad on verovatno ni ne bi mogao da
Bd> cita po ## linux particiji? I gde da trazim gresku ako bi i citao?
Bd> DE /M cita kao lud, ovo ti je korisno samo pa krpis ASCII fajlove.
Bd> Sa hobbbitona mozes dl-ovati ext2edit ili tako nesto, znaci DE za
Bd> ext2fs.
Jeste, samo imam malih problema pri tome : ne mogu da dobijem hob nikako...
:-((
Nema veze, skinuo sam sa galeba to cudo, ali on trazi instaliran nekakav
readline da bi se kompajlirao, a ja nemam pojma gde to da nadjem, osim opet
na hob-u. I tako u krug....
Kako god bilo, cini mi se da je meni ceo fs krepa' jerbo sam ja stavio na
novi disk novi linux, i pokusao sa njegovim e2fsck-om da pokrpim stvar, ali
mi se cini da je on samo sredio stvar do kr(j)aja.
So, verovatno ce pasti jedan mke2fs /dev/hdb7. :-\
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1071postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:50:40 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-26-95 03:13 Dragan.Nikolic@p7.f101.n101.z38.setnet.co.yu wrote:
ZP> Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
> butovanje je od strane fsck-a dalo krasnu poruku:
> "block bitmap 264275204 for group 0 not in group"
> i od tog trenutka moj drugi disk na kome mi je na dve particije linux, je
> mrtav. Odnosno, samo glavna /dev/hdb1, dok je /dev/hdb7 OK.
Dr> Evo da pokusam da ti pomognem, posto imam jednu veoma dobro
Dr> opremljenu knjigu za Linux(DRX.LINUX sa 1200 strana:-)), pa cu iz nje
Dr> da citiram jedan deo, od kojeg verujem da ce i pomoci.:-)
Dr> filesystem type saves copies of the superblock at "block group"
Dr> boundaries on the drive-usually, every 8K blocks. In order to tell
Dr> e2fsck to use a copy of the superblock, you can use a command such as
Dr> # e2fsck -b 8193 <partition>
Dr> where <partition> is the partition on which the filesystem resides.
Dr> The -b 8193 ption tells e2fsck to use the copy of the superblock stored
Dr> at block 8193 in the filesystem.
Eh da, i to sam pokusao posle svega, ali ni to nece izgleda vise da radi,
posto mi se cini da je ceo superblok deadly dead, zajedno sa samim fs-om i
svim na njemu, tako da cu verovatno morati da radim jedan mke2fs
/dev/hdb7, kao sto vec rekoh...
Nisam imao nista strasno bitno, osim nekih sorsova, ali se nadam da ce se
pojaviti negde nekako ti CD-ovi sa kojih sam ih skidao, a ionako sam vec
stavio novi linux na novi djisk, pa i nije mnogo strasno.
Na kraju, ponovicu svoje administratorske vestine... :)
Anyway, hvala na pomoci, sok moze i 'vako i 'nako. :)
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1072postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:50:47 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-30-95 07:03 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
Dr> Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
-> BTW, kad sam vec kod novog diska od 516MB, moze li se bez problema pustiti
-> da pod linuxom i kernelom 1.2.9 postoji swap particija od 1024. do 1049.
-> cilindra? Posto je fdisk prijavljivao da mu nesto nije potaman po tom
-> pitanju, zanima me, a verujem i jos koga, mogu li se diskovi sa vise od
-> 1024 cilindara koristiti bez specijalnih muvanja pod linuxom, tj. da ih on
-> automatski vidi i ispravno koristi?
Dr> mdave koristi 850Mb, sa nesto muvanja koje je objasnjeno u knjizici
Dr> koja ide uz InfoMagic, a ja sam sretni korisnik dva diska od 1024+
Dr> cilindara i nemam nikakvih problema. Jedina fora je da, ako se koristi
Dr> lilo, kernel imageovi budu ispod 1024 cilindra, jer oni se citaju preko
Dr> BIOSa. Ako lilo prijavi da to nije slucaj, rjesenje je ponovno
Dr> kopiranje kernel imageta dok se ovaj ne smiluje da ga i snimi ispod
Dr> 1024 cilindra :). To sve detektuje lilo, i kad on prodje, znaci da je
Dr> sve ok, naravno. Meni se kazem desilo jednom, i poslije prvog
Dr> ponovljenog rm/cp sve je bilo ok.
Dr> swap moze ladno da bude iznad 1024 cilindra, on se cita tek kad se
Dr> kernel inicijalizira.
E 'vako. Da bih namestio sebi je li 13MB swap-a iznad 1024. cinlindra, usao
sam u bios i napisao da disk ima 1049/16/63 sto je on 'ladno progutao (a
sto i ne bi :) i onda digao linux sa boot/root diskete. On se naravno
pobunio kad sam startovao fdisk da ima razlicite fizicke i logicke krajeve
za disk, ali je prosao. Onda sam napravio trecu primarnu particiju (prve
dve su dos), krknuo linux type 82 na tako dobijenih 13MB, pri cemu se fdisk
i dalje bunio oko razlike u logickoj/fizickoj velicini i kako bi to boze
moj moglo da negativno utice na neke programe (!), ali je snimio particionu
tabelu kao takvu. Posle toga ja vrnem u bios-u podatke nazad na 1024/16/63
i linux sad radi sa tim i starim swapom bez problema, tj. prilikom
mount-ovanja kaze "adding swap 13xxxx" pa jos jednom za onu drugu particiju
sa drugog diska.
Kernel jeste na particiji koja je ispod 1024. cilindra i sistem se dize bez
frke.
Jedino sto mene sad zanima da li je to sve sigurno, odnosno da li bi na
starijim plocama bez lba i ostalih zezanja ako mogao da se drzi i linux
native, posto ortak koji je probao istu stvar na svojoj 386dx40 ploci koja
je novija od moje, kaze da ga ima nekih problema. Disk nam je isti, quantum
maverick 540M.
BTW, koje je to muvanje koje se pominje u InfoMagic-ovoj knjizici (blago
tebi pa imas CD...ima li sanse da se on dovuce/dobije na jedno kopiranje?)
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1073postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:50:51 GMT
ĐŠč On 09-30-95 04:12 Mdave@sezam.uucp wrote:
> BTW2, koristim ovu priliku da Vecxu i Dragishu posebno zamolim za
> pomoc, jer ne znam dvojicu vecih znalaca linuxa.
Md> Ijaooo, ijaooo, njih dvojicu u istoj recenici, pa jos vecxa (
Md> Obrovac-Beograd :)))))))))))) ) prvog... ijaooo....
Ahem, buhm, hum hum hum, malo mi nejasno ovo ovdi.....
Sto, sta fali Vecxi&Dragishi? Kad sam bio malji deca za linux, i Tiho mi je
bio bog za isto, a sad su to Vecxa i Dragisha. Mozda otkrijem jos ponekog,
ko zna? :))
A to sto je Vex prvi na spisku je zato sto mi je on blizi k ruci, tako da
mogu (skoro) uvek da odem na etf i da mu kukam na rame junacko ako mi
nesto krepa od linuxa, a Dragishi, jel'te, ne mogu. Mlogo mi daleko...:)
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1074postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:51:14 GMT
ĐŠč On 10-05-95 18:36 Dpop@sezam.uucp wrote:
Dp> Kako se vidi zadnjih mjeseci je stisala euforija oko DosEmu ali
Dp> u cijeloj gunguli nisam nasao odgovor na meni interesantno
Dp> pitanje: "Kako pristupiti korektno Stacker v.4.0 komprimiranom
Dp> volumenu iz DosEmu ?", ako je to ikako i moguce. A bilo je
Dp> nekih najava od >>POSTMAST-a<< u poruci PC.OS.5:UNIX:17, kako
Dp> se vidi iz dole prilozenog, da je to (mozda) rjeseno. Na
Dp> moje upite nisam dobio odgovor. Ako je neko drugi spreman da
Dp> podijeli svoja dragocjena iskustva po tom pitanju O.K. Thanks !
Pazi stvarno, nisam ni video. Od kako nema Boleta sa mr-sys-a, niko nista
ne pita za dosemu.....
Daklem, ja sam imao dosemu 053p28 na mom linuxu 2.0.1 (kerneli
1.0.9-1.1.95) i stacker 4.0 i radio je super.
Kod mene je situacija bila ovakva:
1. boot je isao sa lilo-m i to sa prve hd particije, tako da sam pri
boot-u birao linux/dos
2. u /etc postoji dosemu.conf koji se podesava u HDD sekciji tako da se
navede da je /dev/hdxx read-write i njen redni broj, tako da nema problema
prilikom mapiranja stackerovim particija pod dosemu-om (sad se ne secam
bas kako ide, nisam u linuxu vec u dos-u, ali mogu da pogledam naknadno)
3. korak pod 2. za svaku particiju koja se logicki vidi iz stekera (znaci
ne stacvol particije sa kompresovanim diskom, vec one koje korisnik vidi -
c:, d:, ...)
Tako to nekako bi, probaj pa vidi. Za svaki slucaj stavi prvo particije na
read-only (bunice ti se steker sto ne moze da prodje autosave ali ce da
radi) pa ako funkcionise onda na rw.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1075postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:48:52 GMT
Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
: Ma nemam pojma koji je anubisu da davi s tim xpostovima, ja sam prije par
: dana naisao na URL, pogledao security raport iz Intela i sve je jasno.
: Covjek je crackovao 2-3 passwd fajla, na tudjim resursima, pa se logovao
: kroz firewall i tako to...
Pa davim jerbo je po newsovima bash bilo frke sa slucajem Randala, mnogo
kontraverznih pricica, motiva ... zamalo pa da stvore novi OJ trial.
Inace Randal Schwarc je "guru" sto se tiche Perl-a, i obicno je svaku svoju
poruku po newsovima zavrsavao sa This is just another hack fazonu, tvorac
knjiga: "Camel Book", "The LlamaBook", "Learning Perl" (sve je Perl oriented)
Uglavnom poznata faca :).
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
anubis@ho.com
anubis@cview.com
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1076postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: dosemu
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:49:39 GMT
Damjan Janev (damjan.janev@informa.mk) wrote:
: Koja je najnovija verzija dosemu-a? Meni treba neka koja radi sa 1.2.8
: kernelom.
Verzija 60.0.4 je najnovija i radi pod 1.2.8.
: P.S. Dali pod dosemu rade CD-ROM, Sound Blaster i ostale hardveske
: zavrzlame?
Da.
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu
anubis@ho.com
anubis@cview.com
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1077postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 06:16:56 GMT
Igor Loncarevic (anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu) wrote:
-> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote:
-> : Ma nemam pojma koji je anubisu da davi s tim xpostovima, ja sam prije par
-> : dana naisao na URL, pogledao security raport iz Intela i sve je jasno.
-> : Covjek je crackovao 2-3 passwd fajla, na tudjim resursima, pa se logovao
-> : kroz firewall i tako to...
-> Pa davim jerbo je po newsovima bash bilo frke sa slucajem Randala, mnogo
-> kontraverznih pricica, motiva ... zamalo pa da stvore novi OJ trial.
Ma kakve kontroverze, BrE?! Sve je kao dan jasno, i kad procitas security
report o crackovima i gateu treba bas da mu budes obozavalac pa da ne vidis
da je kriv 101%.
unix.1078postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic)
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:31:47 GMT
Djule@rstones.durlan.co.y (djule@rstones.durlan.co.y@rstones.durlan.co.yu) wrote:
: Masina je 486DX4-100, 16 Mb rama, PCI na ploci i 2x1 Gb Maxtor diskovi.
: Na masini normalno radi Njindonjs 95. Pokusali smo da na tu masinu
: instaliramo Linux. Kad su mu oba diska prijavljena u Setup-u pri butovanju
: kernela Linux puca. Zasebno sve normalno radi, tj. mogu da dignem linux sa
: diska koji je odvojen za njega ako je drugi (Win) disk iskljucen. Ako su
: oba diska ukljucena Win opet radi ali linux nece.
: Jel iko ikad imao slican problem i kako ga je resio ?
: Inace probane su maltene sve kombinacije, znaci da je linux disk ili prvi
: ili drugi, da je LILO ili u MBR ili u linuxovom root diru, diskovi su
: stavljani kao LBA i kao normal...
Izvini , ali meni ovde nije i dalje jasno DA LI SI OBA DISKA ISPRAVNO
INSTALIRAO, tj. da li su mu dzamperi Master/Slave ok nastelovani, i da li
oba diska ZAJEDNO prepoznaje BILO KOJI operativni sistem ???
Vukota
unix.1079postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: problem sa particijom
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:01:00 GMT
ĐŠč On 10-09-95 06:25 Dragisha@hobbiton.co.yu wrote:
-> Jedino sto mene sad zanima da li je to sve sigurno, odnosno da li bi na
-> starijim plocama bez lba i ostalih zezanja ako mogao da se drzi i linux
-> native, posto ortak koji je probao istu stvar na svojoj 386dx40 ploci koja
-> je novija od moje, kaze da ga ima nekih problema. Disk nam je isti, quantum
-> maverick 540M.
Dr> Moja ploca je sve samo ne nova. LBA, nikad cula :).
Znaci, sve ce da radi, samo da uamemo veci cekic... ;->
-> BTW, koje je to muvanje koje se pominje u InfoMagic-ovoj knjizici (blago
-> tebi pa imas CD...ima li sanse da se on dovuce/dobije na jedno kopiranje?)
Dr> Uglavnom ne, ima toga dosta i po BG, ali ne mislim d ti je to nesto
Dr> isplatno. Mene su 4CD kostala 40ak DEM ($25+$5), a snimanje samo
Dr> jednog aje valjda toliko. Ima i u Madjarskoj, tamo su ga ljudi
Dr> kupovali.
Ete mene budale, ode mi ortakinja u Madarsku na sajam kompjutera, a ja
zaboravio na to! Bas sam blesan ponekad...
BTW sta ima u Rusiji interesantno od opreme za kompjutere? Neke adrese u
Moskvi, ima li neko? Ide mi mamica uskoro, pa se razmisljam da narucim
kojesta, ako ima gde i za neku normalnu cifru, dovoljno nizu od ovdasnjih.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1080mikis,
+> Ma kakve kontroverze, BrE?! Sve je kao dan jasno, i kad procitas security
+> report o crackovima i gateu treba bas da mu budes obozavalac pa da ne vidis
+> da je kriv 101%.
Ajd' nek neko okači i te report-ove :)
unix.1081postmast,
From: dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:48:00 CET
X-QWK To: Milos Vukotic
MV> Izvini , ali meni ovde nije i dalje jasno DA LI SI OBA DISKA ISPRAVNO
MV> INSTALIRAO, tj. da li su mu dzamperi Master/Slave ok nastelovani, i da
MV> l i
MV> oba diska ZAJEDNO prepoznaje BILO KOJI operativni sistem ???
Pa dobro, ja sam mozda sisao vesla al camac nisam progutao. Win 95 radi
normalno sa oba diska, poenta je u tome sto linux kernel puca pri butovanju
kad su oba diska prijavljena u setup-u.
dule@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu ; djule@rstones.durlan.co.yu
... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 [NR]
* Origin: Rolling Stones * Yugoslavia * (2:382/105.5)
unix.1082spantic,
========
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From: dhsi@netcom.com (don hsi)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:01:22 GMT
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of Microsoft Visual Basic as a prototyping and development environment.
A majority of Visual Basic Functions, Statements, Objects and standard
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###
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unix.1083postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:45:43 GMT
Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
: svim na njemu, tako da cu verovatno morati da radim jedan mke2fs
: /dev/hdb7, kao sto vec rekoh...
Elem, jedna mozda interesantna opaska...
Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos neki)
prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo redje,
nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
elem, stvar radi ok kada se stavi kernel koji podrzava VLB disk
kontroler, odnosno instalira drajver dobijen uz karticu kada se radi
pod DOS-om.
Stvar je primecena ovde u Sigrafu (na 3 masine), u beogradu na 11 makina
u nisu na 2 makine ( to koliko ja znam) svuda je bio VLB disk kontroler
i svuda je sve radilo kako treba posle zamene istog. (ovde ne vazi
ono pravilo sto bolji i skuplji kontroler manja je sansa da se desi
greska)
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
unix.1084postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 15:50:10 GMT
ĐŠč On 10-20-95 08:45 Arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac wrote:
Ar> Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote:
Ar> : svim na njemu, tako da cu verovatno morati da radim jedan mke2fs
Ar> : /dev/hdb7, kao sto vec rekoh...
Ar> Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos
Ar> neki) prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo
Ar> redje, nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
Ar> elem, stvar radi ok kada se stavi kernel koji podrzava VLB disk
Ar> kontroler, odnosno instalira drajver dobijen uz karticu kada se radi
Ar> pod DOS-om.
Hm, sad, ja nemam trenutno vlb plocu, jer imam 386dx40, ali imam nameru da
predjem na 486 vlb, pa me zanima na sta tacnomislis, sto se tice kernela
za linux, a sredjuje stvar za vlb-om?
Za dos bih ionako koristio drajver.
Ar> ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
Ar> za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
Pa napisi makar malo, da se bar nesto rezimirano zna...
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1085ddobic,
> Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos
> neki) prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo
> redje, nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
> ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
> za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
Veoma me zanima. Kako se sr**e manifestuje? Ja imam cetiri racunara sa
VLB IDE kontrolerima na kojima radi XENIX 386. Na jednom od njih mi je
do sada dva puta dolazilo do cudnog gubitka podataka. Pobrise mi 20-tak
kilobajta pri kraju velike datoteke (2 MB).
unix.1086lemi,
Koristim SCO UNIX r3.2 v4.2.. Zelim da pokrenem PPP izmedju dva racunara
preko dva direktno spojena modema. Modeme sam uspio spojiti. Na oba racunara
sam instalirao PPP pomocu netconfig-a. Potom sam sarao po datotekama Devices
i Systems ali nista pametno nisam nasarao, jer ping (tj. veza) nije proradio.
Znali neko neko rjesenje. Unaprijed hvala.:wq
unix.1087postmast,
From: Nikola.Vukelic%f140.n103.z38@setnet.setnet.co.yu (Nikola Vukelic)
Subject: Unix
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:40:00
Ljudi, ima li neko uputstvo za UNIX? Interesuju me samo osnovne
stvari. Ortak je nabavio neku uzas literaturu sa nekih 1500 strana
ukupno, sto ne bih voleo da moram da procitam. Znaci, neki uvod u
UNIX, jos ako je TXT fajl, ih meraka. ;)
pozdrav, Nidza
(nidza.fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
... Kisa pada moja mala place, ja sam tuzan da jebe oca! (C)
* Origin: Pingvin BBS, Beograd == 674-262 & 606-928 == SETNet: (38:103/140)
unix.1088postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:49:21 GMT
Nikola Vukelic (Nikola.Vukelic%f140.n103.z38@setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote:
: Ljudi, ima li neko uputstvo za UNIX? Interesuju me samo osnovne
: stvari. Ortak je nabavio neku uzas literaturu sa nekih 1500 strana
: ukupno, sto ne bih voleo da moram da procitam. Znaci, neki uvod u
: UNIX, jos ako je TXT fajl, ih meraka. ;)
Imam je nesto:
begunix (unix za pocetnike)
interunix (unix za srednje korisnike)
i nesto slicno za bash programere.
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
unix.1089postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:33:52 GMT
Dragoslav Dobic (ddobic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
-> > Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos
-> > neki) prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo
-> > redje, nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
-> > ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
-> > za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
-> Veoma me zanima. Kako se sr**e manifestuje? Ja imam cetiri racunara sa
-> VLB IDE kontrolerima na kojima radi XENIX 386. Na jednom od njih mi je
-> do sada dva puta dolazilo do cudnog gubitka podataka. Pobrise mi 20-tak
-> kilobajta pri kraju velike datoteke (2 MB).
Za puno objasnjenje treba procitati i "PCI unistava diskove", a nije zgoreg
staviti i prst na celo i zamisliti sta bi bilo kad bi bilo, tj. gdje bi
Linux bio kada bi na toliko procentu kontrolera gubio podatke.
unix.1090postmast,
From: dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu (Dusan Djordjevic)
Subject: Re: linux
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:58:00 CET
X-QWK To: Srdjan Janev
SJ> Na osnovu toga zakljucujem da su diskovi lose podeseni (dzamperisani),
SJ> j er
SJ> prosta analiza partisn i but rekorda kazu da se Njin '95 ponasa isto
SJ> kao i
SJ> DOS-ovi izasli pre njega.
SJ> Eventualni problem na diskovima od 1 Gb moze biti da je LINUX but
SJ> partic ija
SJ> iznad 1023-eg cilindra.
Zipa ovako, mozda su diskovi lose podeseni u sta ne verujem jer sa NJIN 95
normalno rade. Problem je u tome sto kad se sa diskete butuje kernel on
stane.
...dule@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu ; djule@rstones.durlan.co.yu
... Svako uspesan ima padove, ali svaki pad ne znaci uspeh.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 [NR]
* Origin: Rolling Stones * Yugoslavia * (2:382/105.5)
unix.1091postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:21:05 GMT
Dragoslav Dobic (ddobic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: > Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos
: > neki) prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo
: > redje, nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
: > ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
: > za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
: Veoma me zanima. Kako se sr**e manifestuje? Ja imam cetiri racunara sa
: VLB IDE kontrolerima na kojima radi XENIX 386. Na jednom od njih mi je
: do sada dva puta dolazilo do cudnog gubitka podataka. Pobrise mi 20-tak
: kilobajta pri kraju velike datoteke (2 MB).
Nisam to primetio na XENIX-u. Cak stavise on je radio bez problema
na VLB kontroleru. Probaj da predjes na nesto bolje ako te on zeza,
ne vidim razloga zasto na 486 makini drzati XENIX..
Arhi/c
unix.1092postmast,
From: panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Mijuskovic Veselin)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:54:06 GMT
Milenko Milanovic (lemi@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
: Koristim SCO UNIX r3.2 v4.2.. Zelim da pokrenem PPP izmedju dva racunara
: preko dva direktno spojena modema. Modeme sam uspio spojiti. Na oba racunara
: sam instalirao PPP pomocu netconfig-a. Potom sam sarao po datotekama Devices
: i Systems ali nista pametno nisam nasarao, jer ping (tj. veza) nije proradio.
: Znali neko neko rjesenje. Unaprijed hvala.:wq
Prvo proveri da li UUCP radi kako treba, tj. sa cu _ime_remote_hosta_
treba da dobijes login prompt na udaljenoj masini. Ako to radi bez
problema, greska je u ppp instaliranju. ppp IP adrese treba da cine
zasebnu podmrezu (subnet). Ne zaboravi da u /usr/lib/uucp/Systems fajlu
kreiras zasebnu stavku za ppp vezu, kako bi se ppp daemon mogao
automatski ulogovati na ppp nalog na udaljenoj masini (podrazumeva se
da postoji kreiran nalog za ppp). Proveri /etc/ppphosts fajl, a takodje
i pppauth ako koristis PAP autetifikaciju. Kako treba da izgledaju ovi
fajlovi pogledaj u man-u (man SFF ppphosts pppauth). Ako sve izgleda OK
probaj telnet pre ping-a. Kada sam ja instalirao ppp vezu preko
komutirane linije, ping nije hteo da radi iz prve; tek kada sam
uspostavio prvu telnet vezu, ping je proradio (;^).
--
Panzer
In real life : Mijuskovic Veselin Internet : panzer@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
/Meeyoushkowitch Veselyn/ DECnet : UBBG::EMIJUSKO
unix.1093postmast,
From: verovski@fon ()
Subject: LINUX: problemi sa inn-om
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:58:42 GMT
Imam problema sa inn-om. Posto sam uspeo da ga instaliram i nateram ga da
radi, od prvog dana je poceo da mi salje mail kako nema news.daily fajla,
koji je dakako sve vreme na svom mestu.
Kako sam zeleo da mi sredjuje .overview fajlove dodao sam u newsfeeds:
overview:*:Tc:WO:/usr/lib/news/bin/overchan
Sada mi javlja i gresku da nema toga fajla, koji je naravno na svom mestu.
Inn je instaliran sa SLackware distribucije.
unix.1094postmast,
From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: Re: LINUX: problemi sa inn-om
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:48:02 GMT
verovski@fon wrote:
: Imam problema sa inn-om. Posto sam uspeo da ga instaliram i nateram ga da
: radi, od prvog dana je poceo da mi salje mail kako nema news.daily fajla,
: koji je dakako sve vreme na svom mestu.
: Kako sam zeleo da mi sredjuje .overview fajlove dodao sam u newsfeeds:
: overview:*:Tc:WO:/usr/lib/news/bin/overchan
: Sada mi javlja i gresku da nema toga fajla, koji je naravno na svom mestu.
: Inn je instaliran sa SLackware distribucije.
Khm... bas sam sinoc procitao solution u c.o.l.s., znam da je nesto
trivijalno, hm.. mislim da treba obrisati news.daily fajl iz INN dira.
Ajde pa javi.
--
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu
anubis@ho.com
anubis@cview.com http://www.sin.com/people/anubis
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1095postmast,
From: nidza@fon (Nikola Vukelic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:36:47 GMT
Ar> Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos
Ar> neki) prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo
Ar> redje, nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
Ar> ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
Ar> za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
Kako stoje stvari sa PCI kontrolerima? Za sada sam na VLB-u, ali
uskoro (definitivno) prelazim na PCI.
pozdrav, Nidza
(nidza@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
... Hitno potrebna LEPA DEVOJKA radi sexa.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1096postmast,
From: nidza@fon (Nikola Vukelic)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:36:51 GMT
Ar> Imam je nesto:
Ar> begunix (unix za pocetnike)
Ar> interunix (unix za srednje korisnike)
Ar> i nesto slicno za bash programere.
Bilo bi korisno. Kako da dodjem do toga? Nemoj samo uuencodovano,
jedan tip je pokusao da mi posalje uuencodovanu unix.arj datoteku, pa
uudekoder nije hteo ni da mrdne. Kako da dodjem do toga?
pozdrav, Nidza
(nidza@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
... SENILE.COM found . . . Out Of Memory . . .
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1097postmast,
From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic)
Subject: I saw Linus on CNN!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:38:36 GMT
[ Article crossposted from ho.linux.kernel ]
[ Author was Breakdown ]
[ Posted on Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:24:41 GMT ]
Linus was on CNN just an hour ago! :-) They were talking about Linux, the
choice of the GNU generation, flashed a few pics of Bill Gates too, and we
had Linus tell Billy Boy that he plans on graduating out of college,
unlike the richest college dropout, who did not :-P. Linus looked pretty
cool too in front of his 21" or so, monitor clicking upon X-Windows menus
... Well, just letting you all know I saw him while you were all dead
asleep :-).
Martin
--
-+-
Igor Loncarevic, anubis@ho.com
http://www.sin.com/people/anubis
Linux - The choice of GNU generation
unix.1098banga,
> From: nidza@fon (Nikola Vukelic)
> Subject: Re: Unix
> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:36:51 GMT
> Bilo bi korisno. Kako da dodjem do toga? Nemoj samo
> uuencodovano, jedan tip je pokusao da mi posalje uuencodovanu
^^^ ^^^^^^^ tjuj pokus'o, posl'o bolan :)
> unix.arj datoteku, pa uudekoder nije hteo ni da mrdne. Kako da
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ipak ce biti da
ti nisi umeo to da uradis
Danas sam ti poslao unix.txt PRE nego sto sam ovo porocitao. Nadam se da
ces umeti da to procitas :)
unix.1099eotek,
Microsoft Internet Assistant (HTML 4 Winword 6),
program koji je shareware - trazi se. Ako nista drugo
zna li neko barem kako se zove arhiva.
Inace, ovaj "editor", prema pisanju stampe
smatra se "the best" ...
unix.1100spantic,
> Inace, ovaj "editor", prema pisanju stampe
> smatra se "the best" ...
Bolji je po nekima Quartekov ili kako je već ime
firme WWW asistent, ali slabo nešto rade pod
Word 7na Windows 95.
unix.1101postmast,
From: alf@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dejan Jakovljevic)
Subject: Re: I saw Linus on CNN!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 19:16:55 GMT
What a hell is Linus ???
D.
unix.1102eotek,
re: Microsoft Internet Assistant v.2.0 (HTML za Winword 6),
(http://microsoft.com ??) - TRAZI SE I DALJE
> Bolji je po nekima Quartekov ili kako je vec ime
ama jel ti to imas oba, pa mi pravis zazubice ili ??
javni barem kako se zove arhiva onog prvog (shareware)
[ ... not only ware, perhaps knowledge too ...]
unix.1103spantic,
> re: Microsoft Internet Assistant v.2.0 (HTML za Winword 6),
> (http://microsoft.com ??) - TRAZI SE I DALJE
Ja imam verziju jedan. Dva na žalost ni ja nisam video.
Onaj drugi imam.
unix.1104spantic,
> From: alf@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dejan Jakovljevic)
> What a hell is Linus ???
I ti mi koristiš Linux? ;)
To je žovek koji je stvorio Linux, i koji u stvari koordinira
posao sa kernelima i danas.
unix.1105postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:38:54 GMT
Nikola Vukelic (nidza@fon) wrote:
: Ar> Primetio sam da neki kontroleri (VLB IDE, i VLB EIDE, winbound i jos
: Ar> neki) prave sr**e pod linux-om, a oce to isto i pos SCO-tom samo malo
: Ar> redje, nekad brljaju i pod 3ds-om,
: Ar> ps. Postoji nekoliko teorija zasto se ovo desava, ali mislim da nisu
: Ar> za konferenciju, ako nekoga zanima, nek pita...
: Kako stoje stvari sa PCI kontrolerima? Za sada sam na VLB-u, ali
: uskoro (definitivno) prelazim na PCI.
Za sada nije prijavljen ni jedan pad diska na PCI kontroleru a da je
tome bio kriv doticni kontroler tako da je PCI za sada stabilan, sto se
tice PADANJA pri radu sa 32-bitnim sofverom...
arhimed
unix.1106postmast,
From: arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:41:22 GMT
Nikola Vukelic (nidza@fon) wrote:
: Bilo bi korisno. Kako da dodjem do toga? Nemoj samo uuencodovano,
: (nidza@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
:
Vrlo jednostavno. Probaj da me talkujes na arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu
svakim radnim danom pre podne, ili cu ja to da ftputnem na osmeh ili
na fon pa ga skini odande...
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
unix.1107postmast,
From: arhimed@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Bogdan Kecman)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:36:40 GMT
Nikola Vukelic (nidza@fon) wrote:
: Ar> Imam je nesto:
:
: Ar> begunix (unix za pocetnike)
: Ar> interunix (unix za srednje korisnike)
:
: Ar> i nesto slicno za bash programere.
:
: Bilo bi korisno. Kako da dodjem do toga? Nemoj samo uuencodovano,
: jedan tip je pokusao da mi posalje uuencodovanu unix.arj datoteku, pa
: uudekoder nije hteo ni da mrdne. Kako da dodjem do toga?
:
: pozdrav, Nidza
: (nidza@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
fajl se nalazi u ~arhimed direktorijumu na osmehu. zove se unixtxt.zip
tu se nalaze *.txt fajlovi koji su ti potrebni. zip je dugacak
260K
--->-rw------- 1 arhimed users 258738 Oct 30 11:31 unixtxt.zip
na osmehu su privilegije stavljena tako da svi mogu da skinu ovi fajl.
Arhimed.CoRRoSioN.
unix.1108postmast,
From: alf@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dejan Jakovljevic)
Subject: Re: I saw Linus on CNN!
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:41:23 GMT
Dejan Jakovljevic (alf@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote:
: What a hell is Linus ???
:
Of Course - Linux creator, how stupid I was :))
unix.1109postmast,
From: dcolak@setnet.co.yu (Damir Colak)
Subject: OS/2 Not Working on P100
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:57:04
This message was from DAMIR COLAK to IGOR VASILJEVIC,
originally in conference Net.Os/2
and was forwarded to you by DAMIR COLAK.
-------------------------
IV> Posle ovih par sitnih stvarcica probaj kako radi bbs :), naravno ima
IV> jos par caka u vezi BAT fajla.
Ne vredi, meni DOS pod OS/2 jednostavno ne radi. Ma sta pokusao.
Puca apsolutno svaki put, uz sledecu poruku (nisam sve prepisao):
TRAP 0002 ERRCD=0000 ERACCC=xxxx ERLIM=xxxxxxxx
blah blah (sadrzaj registara)
##0160:FFF5C34C-000D:A34C
60000, 9084
048600b4
Internal Revision 8.162, 94/09/19
Nakon cega je sistem apsolutno mrtav i pomaze samo hard reset.
Menjao sam video karticu (PCI-S3-868 i ISA Trident 8900c), menjao
sam plocu (AMIWIN BIOS, SIS), menjao sam brzinu cipa (75, 90,
100Mhz), vadio sam sve sto postoji u masini sem video/hdcontroler i
nista nije pomoglo!
Jedino na sta mi je ostalo da sumnjam je IDE kontroler koji je
trenutno ISA verzija. Ako ni to ne upali definitivno OS/2 nije
napravljen za Pentium racunare :(
Masina je Pentium-S na 100Mhz, 16Mb memorije.
Sledge DAMMIR!
of OS/2 Team
* Origin: Sledge HAMMER! BBS 011/163-452 22:00-07:00 (38:103/128)
unix.1110postmast,
From: vecxo@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Dragan D. Vecerina)
Subject: Re: unix
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:41:41 GMT
Srdan Pantic (spantic@sezam.UUCP) wrote:
:
: To je Covek koji je stvorio Linux, i koji u stvari koordinira
: posao sa kernelima i danas.
Pa nije bas samo da koordinira. Ima tu jos mnogo drugih stvari:))
Dragan D. Vecerina
E-mail adresa: vecxo@etf.bg.ac.yu
unix.1111postmast,
From: nidza@fon (Nikola Vukelic)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:21:57 GMT
...Quoting Arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac
Ar> tome bio kriv doticni kontroler tako da je PCI za sada stabilan, sto
Ar> se tice PADANJA pri radu sa 32-bitnim sofverom...
... ?
pozdrav, Nidza
(nidza@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
... Kisa pada moja mala place, ja sam tuzan da jebe oca! (C)
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1112postmast,
From: nidza@fon (Nikola Vukelic)
Subject: Re: Unix
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:22:01 GMT
Ar> Vrlo jednostavno. Probaj da me talkujes na
Ar> arhimed@lucid.junis.ni.ac.yu svakim radnim danom pre podne, ili cu ja
Probacu, hm?! Nikad to nisam probao na vecoj udaljenosti od FON-a.
Ar> to da ftputnem na osmeh ili na fon pa ga skini odande...
Ako ne uspemo ono prvo. OK. Thanx.
pozdrav, Nidza
(nidza@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu)
... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded!
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1113ppekovic,
>> re: Microsoft Internet Assistant v.2.0 (HTML za Winword 6),
>> (http://microsoft.com ??) - TRAZI SE I DALJE
Ima preko 1M. Preveliki je za skidanje.
Paya
unix.1114postmast,
From: bole@bolex.bolex.co.yu (Bosko Radivojevic)
Subject: mail -u
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:07:27 GMT
Hi!
Dakle, kod mene (slackware 2.1.0) ne radi mail -u user... Pre je lepo
radilo sada samo kaze "No mail for _user_" i to je to.. mada provereno ima
maila... U cemu je problem?
Pozdrav ...
unix.1115postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Re: I saw Linus on CNN!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:03:21 GMT
Dejan Jakovljevic pise:
>> What a hell is Linus ???
Ozbiljno?
Ma daj, ne zezaj se!
unix.1116postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin)
Subject: Speed Test
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:23:48 GMT
Hi 2 all UNIX Wizards!
Napravio sam jedan programcic za testiranje brzine CPU i FPU na
raznim UNIX masinama. Kratko, pisan je na C-u, radi se o petljama
koje su napravljene tako da postoji zavisnost po podacima tako da
optimizator ne moze da redukuje petlju ili da je zameni dodelom.
CPU testira siftovanja i bit-logicke operatore a FPU test radi
sin, ln, sqrt. Trebalo bi da popravim FPU test, prebrzo se izvrsava,
mada su merenja ok, probao sam da proverim greske. Evo rezultata:
CPU FPU MODEL INTERNET
---- ---- -------------------------------- ------------------------
4.2 0.9 Silicon Graphics INDY indy.etf.bg.ac.yu
9.4 0.8 Silicon Graphics Power Challenge afrodita.rcub.bg.ac.yu
24.3 5.0 PC 406DX2-66 fon.fon.bg.ac.yu
30.0 4.0 DECstation 5000/120 orao.etf.bg.ac.yu
38.1 9.0 HP 9000/835 buefhp.etf.bg.ac.yu
42.6 8.0 Sun Microsystems SPARCstation 1+ osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu
Napomena: sva vremena su u sekundama - sto manje to bolje.
unix.1117postmast,
From: andrea@kiza.fon.bg.ac.yu (Andrea Prunic)
Subject: Re: Ventilator
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:09:08 GMT
ĐŠč On 10-23-95 08:51 Vinko@impex.durlan.co.yu wrote:
Vi> Da li postoji nesto, neki indikator, alarm ili sl. sto bi upozorilo da
Vi> je ventilator na procesoru stao?
Vi> Da li bi neki elektronicar mogao da osmisli & napravi takav dodatak
Vi> ventilatoru ukoliko ne postoji neko gotovo resenje?
Moze, na razne nacine. Jedan bi bio da se kontrolise struja koja protice
kroz ventilator, pa ako on stane, da se onda automatski signalizira.
U slucaju da nestane napona na ventilatoru, on nece vuci struju, pa je
resenje da se serijski na njega stavi jedan mali otpor na kome se meri
napon. U slucaju da zaglavi, povuci ce veliku struju u kratkom periodu dok
se njegova interna blokada ne javi (mislim da je to tako) pa je opet isto
resenje, samo sto tada treba biti spreman na vecu brzinu reagovanja. U
svakom slucaju, serijski otpor i naponski komparator resavaju stvar.
Cena - 10-ak DM i manje.
Druga varijanta je nekakav opticki ili magnetni fazon a la kontrola brzine
kod svih disk motora (flopi, HD, video....) tako da se na osovinu cooljera
stavi mali magnetic a da prolazi pored nekog magnetnog tranzistora
(kompletna elektronika moze da se zvadi iz starog flopija, videa...) i da
daje impulse koji oznacavaju da se ventilator vrti, s time da bi se cak na
taj nacin mogla kontrolisati/regulisati brzina okretanja ventilatora,
menjanjem napona napajanja u zavisnosti od broja impulsa itditditd....
Cena - opet oko 10-ak dM, i manje.
U svakom slucaju, moze da se resi problem, i to vrlo lako. Licno mi se vise
svidja drugo resenje, mada, svako po volji. Naravno, signalizacija moze da
bude resena na mnoge nacine, zavisno od toga sta je zgodno.
Ako ti treba neka razrada ideje, javi, poslacu neku semicu.
... Nothing is so simple that it can't get screwed up.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.1118postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo)
Subject: Re: LINUX: problemi sa inn-om
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:29:17 GMT
verovski@fon :
>> Imam problema sa inn-om. Posto sam uspeo da ga instaliram i nateram ga da
>> radi, od prvog dana je poceo da mi salje mail kako nema news.daily fajla,
>> koji je dakako sve vreme na svom mestu.
Fora je mislim u tome da pre prvog startovanja rc.news (tj.
innd) mora da se startuje news.daily rucno iz shella. To
pise u nekom od FAQova za INN.
Otprilike. Davno sam se bavio INN-om, pa zaboravih...
--
Miroslav R. Hristodulo
<miroslav@yucca.co.yu>
unix.1119ikordic,
RE: *X benchmarq
=> sin, ln, sqrt. Trebalo bi da popravim FPU test, prebrzo se izvrsava,
=> mada su merenja ok, probao sam da proverim greske. Evo rezultata:
Ovaj, a kako su maqine testirane? Ti si bio jedini ulogovan ili si bio jedan
od nekoliko njih?