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01 Apr 1995 - 02 Nov 1995

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unix.713 postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: unix Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 08:16:21 GMT Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote: -> - Jel ima neka dobra knjiga za UNIX, ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj -> formi je vrlo povrsno i slabo napisano? Ajde!
unix.712 postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 08:31:38 GMT In article <sezam$unix bulaja@sezam.UUCP writes: > > Znaci da ja, kada napisem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i > Copyright Microsoft Corporation!? mozda treba navesti nsto kao Copyright (C) 1994-96 Pera Lazic Corp. Microsoft C Optimizing Compiler ;-)) Copr. (C) Microsoft Corp. 1980-89 -- Nikola Mitrovic | email: nikola@indigroup.com Indian Group Network | nikola@tesla.cview.com Network Manager | nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu Cherokee # Apache # Mohawk # Yaqui # Arawak # Taino # Navajo # Ottawa # Ute
unix.718 postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: unix Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 07:21:13 GMT Dragan Djokic (ddjokic@fon) wrote: -> raditi nesto drugo kad ih proces primi, da tako kazem. Ako se -> posalje signal 9, tj recimo kill -9 555 proces sa brojem 555 -> je sigurno upucan, nema sanse da ne radi. Postoje stanja procesa u kojima se ignorise i signal 9.
unix.717 postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:14:42 GMT Dejan Ristanovic (dejanr@sezam.UUCP) wrote: : >> Znaci da ja, kada napisem program u MS C-u, moram da dodam i : >> Copyright Microsoft Corporation!? : I da i ne. Citao sam Microsoft-ovu licencu, i ona kaze sledece: : ako program ima TVOJ Copyright, *ne moras* da stavljas njihov. : Medutim, ako resis da program *nema* tvoj (niti iciji drugi) : Copyright, tj. da ga delis potpuno besplatno i odreknes se svih : prava na program, onda moras da napises da su delovi programa : (run-time biblioteke) pod Microsoft-ovim copyright-om. : Dosta razuman zahtev, po mom misljenju. Ovo se valjda odnosi samo na registrovane korisnike ..
unix.715 postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:25:19 GMT Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la: >> Ima knjiga o Unixu na tone. >> Mislio sam na nesto kvalitetno, i sto _moze_ da se pronadje ovde. >> Ali iz tvojih pitanja cini mi se da i "ovo sto postoji u elektronskoj >> formi" jos moze biti od koristi. >> Ako znas za doc koji objasnjava sta radi "kill -9", onda gresim. >> Sto se tice ostalih preporuka, nadam se da ce to sve biti >> izvodljivo. Ako na mL ima man za kill tamo sigurno pise. Ako nema onda evo kratko. Kill -n salje signal procesu. Koji sve signali postoje mozes da vidis sa man signal. Svi signali osim signala 9 tj SIGKILL za prekid procesa se mogu ignorisati ili raditi nesto drugo kad ih proces primi, da tako kazem. Ako se posalje signal 9, tj recimo kill -9 555 proces sa brojem 555 je sigurno upucan, nema sanse da ne radi. -- Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.716 postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:12:15 GMT Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote: : miniLinux: : - kako obrisati korisnika? userdel : - kako ga postaviti da mu se prilazi modemski? Pa lepo instaliras {uu}getty u inittab naravno moras i konf fajl da imas.. u /etc/inittab: s3:456:respawn:/sbin/uugetty ttyS3 38400 za cua3 tj. COM4 .. a u /etc/conf.uugetty.ttyS3 <<- ili vec koji je port #####SCHED=0:00:00-0:24:00 #^^ vreme kad da prima pozive INITLINE=cua3 #linija CLEAR = NO HANGUP=YES #DEBUG=777 #DEBUG=010 #Jedan od ova dva je da prikazuje sta radi na konzoli.. INIT="" ATZ\r OK ATS0=1\r OK #init string ALTLOCK=cua3 # zakljucavanje ALTLINE=cua3 #WAITFOR=RING #CONNECT="" ATA\r CONNECT \s\A #ova dva reda su ako nestavis gore u INIT S0=1 onda mozes da kada modem #posalje RING kompjuteru ovaj mu posalje ATA i modem pisti .. TIMEOUT=60
unix.714 postmast,
From: tiho@fon (Tihomir Pelic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:31:11 GMT Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) wrote: : Ako znas za doc koji objasnjava sta radi "kill -9", onda gresim. If a signal number preceded by ``-'' is given as the first argument, that signal is sent instead of the terminate signal (see signal(S)). In par- ticular kill -9 ... is a sure kill. "man kill" :-)) -- Tihomir Pelic Prefered e-mail: tiho@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ $ cat flames.txt > /dev/null ]
unix.719 smarkov, -> #696, danko
> Da li odogovor na PING dolazi direktno sa IP nivoa ili treba starovatoi > nesto kao Ping Deamon ? Pitam je nisam uspeo da pingujem izmedju sledecis > sistem (niko nisakim nece, a svako vidi sebe) Novell Netwrae 4.10 (dve > mrezne karte sa IP adresama 11.11.11.11 i 14.14.14.14), Novell Lanworkplace > for Dos (adresa 12.12.12.12) i Windows NT server 3.5 (adresa 13.13.13.13). > Na sviam mi je subnet maska bila 255.0.0.0 (ne znam da li je sve to dobro > postavljeno). Na Novell proizvodiam sam postao frame type na Ethernet_II, > a na Windows NT nisam video kako se to setuje. Ping je program koji traži odgovor od hosta po ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol) koji je uvek deo IP kernela. Stvar ti ne radi jer si adrese uzeo "suviše" prozvoljno ;). Kratko rečeno, Internet adresa ima dva dela - mrežna i host adresa. Ovako kako si ti izabrao adrese svi hostovi su ti na različitim mrežama. Za prolazak izmedju dve mreže mora gateway , ... Daklem daj računarima adrese (npr dok sam ne pročitaš o čemu se radi): 192.0.0.xx (xx=1, 2, ..). ... osim što imaš NOVEL mach sa dve mrežne karte - znači dve mreže. Za taj deo moraćeš da vidiš NOVEL dokumentaciju.
unix.720 dejanr, -> #717, postmast
>> > I da i ne. Citao sam Microsoft-ovu licencu, i ona kaze sledece: >> > ako program ima TVOJ Copyright, *ne moras* da stavljas njihov. >> > Medutim, ako resis da program *nema* tvoj (niti iciji drugi) >> > Copyright, tj. da ga delis potpuno besplatno i odreknes se svih >> > prava na program, onda moras da napises da su delovi programa >> > (run-time biblioteke) pod Microsoft-ovim copyright-om. >> >> Dosta razuman zahtev, po mom misljenju. Pa da, teško da će u licenci predviđati pravila za one koji koriste kraden softver, jer takvi u startu ne poštuju mnogo važnije klauzule te licence ;)
unix.721 omega, -> #705, novim
Ţ Cini mi se samo da tvoje zanimanje za Unix vec prevazilazi mogucnosti mL-a Ok, ok, samo mi ipak jedna stvar nije jasna. Ako sam ja, kao relativni pocetnik u unix-u, odmah udario u granice, cemu onda mL?
unix.722 novim, -> #721, omega
" Ok, ok, samo mi ipak jedna stvar nije jasna. Ako sam ja, kao relativni " pocetnik u unix-u, odmah udario u granice, cemu onda mL? Pa, već je rečeno: da pomogne ljudima koji žele da onjuše Unix da to urade na jednostavan i bezbolan način (bez pravljenja posebnih particija, muke s instalacijom itd). Ko želi Unix, posle će mnogo lakše sve to učiniti. Takođe, mL će imati svoje značenje kad uradimo neke stvari do kraja. Zbog drugih poslova, to će tek biti na jesen a ne ovih dana, kako je prvobitno bilo planirano.
unix.723 danko, -> #719, smarkov
>> Kratko receno, Internet adresa ima dva dela - mrezna i host adresa. Ovako kako si ti izabrao adrese svi hostovi su ti na razlicitim mrezama. Za prolazak izmedju dve mreze mora gateway , ... Daklem daj racunarima adrese (npr dok sam ne procitas o cemu se radi): >> 192.0.0.xx (xx=1, 2, ..). Hvala na odgovoru. Ja sam nekako procitao specifikacije i sve mi je to bilo jasno sa mreznom adresom i adresom noda, kao i sa klasam mreza, ali sam mislio da ce da radi i sa ovakvim adresama. Mozda bi i radilo da sam obo neku drugu subnet mask. probacu drugacije adrese, pa ce da vidimo - javicu! hvala, Danko
unix.724 postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: mL Xwin ProBlemS Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:36:12 GMT Jedno pitanje oko Mini Linux-a: nece da radi X posto (izgleda) moja kartica nije na spisku podrzanih. Kako da namestim da X koristi barem obican VGA mod 640*480/16? Osim sto startx kaze da nije prepoznat nijedan device, ispise i nesto kao "there are no screens"? Masina je 486/33/8MB/VGA. -- Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.725 postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav) Subject: Re: unix Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:41:14 GMT Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) reche: /* > Cini mi se samo da tvoje zanimanje za Unix vec prevazilazi mogucnosti mL-a /* >Ok, ok, samo mi ipak jedna stvar nije jasna. Ako sam ja, kao relativni /* >pocetnik u unix-u, odmah udario u granice, cemu onda mL? Pa da ti zagolica mastu.:)))) Pozdrav, Bane ============================================================================= Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu ============================================================================= "Please return stewardess to original upright position"
unix.726 postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: uucp via telnet Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 01:07:17 GMT Imam jedno pitanjce ;) Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a? Naime ja prvo nazovem odredjeni tel. broj pa se odatle telnetujem na svoj uucp host, ali nesto nece da radi :( To verovatno nece zbog telnet-a (ili gresim?), problem je sto ne mogu da koristim rlogin :( E sad mene zanima da li postoji uucp protokol (XXX) koji podrzava 7-bit kanal... Inace iz debug-a se vidi da je prosao INITA nivo ali zapne kod INITB nivoa "dogovaranja"... p.s. kod mene je taylor uucp (linux) -- Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.727 postmast,
From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic) Subject: Re: X terminal Date: Tue, 04 Jul 95 02:56:54 GMT In article <DB3AJq.KuG@fon> tiho@fon writes: > > Veza host-terminal se ostvaruje preko TCP/IP mreze, znaci, prvi >hardverski zahtev: mrezna kartica :-)) Sto se ostalih zahteva tice, nista >posebno sa strane hosta, a X terminal bi trebalo da sa svoje strane >to vec ima reseno. sad... nije bas uvek tako. imas X terminale (odn. X servere) koji su vezani za host -- traze neki bootstrap, ili su recimo totalno operisani od Xserver varijante, pa im jedna makina treba kao 'mozak'; naravno postoje i one inteligentne varijante. Te su toliko inteligentne da su ocigledno shvatile i vrednost novca, pa ga traze dosta vise. E sad imas i neke jeftinije varijante sa vezivanjem preko serijskog porta, pa bez Xserver varijante i jos par fazoncica koje ja toplo ne preporucujem, osim ako se igras po kuci pa ti finansijska situacija ne dozvoljava $1000 za osrednji Xterm (serv). -- Nikola Mitrovic | email: nikola@indigroup.com Indian Group Network | nikola@tesla.cview.com | nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu Cherokee # Apache # Mohawk # Yaqui # Arawak # Taino # Navajo # Ottawa # Ute
unix.728 danko, -> #723, danko
Uspeo sam da se pingujem kada sam setovao brojeve na 192.0.0.1 i 192.0.0.2. Jos malo eksperimenata pa ce ceo TCP/IP da mi proradi. :) Hvala na savetima - ANKO DANKO
unix.729 omega, -> #725, postmast
Re: cemu onda mL? >Pa da ti zagolica mastu.:)))) Pa onako sklopljen mL, bez pristojnog man-a i sl., ima tacno suprotan efekat :( A bas sam se prvo bio odusevio... Sada kada cujem da mi je potrebno 80 disketa za pravi Linux, pripadne mi muka.
unix.730 postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: Re: uucp via telnet Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:18:36 GMT Jednom prilikom Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) rece: ## Imam jedno pitanjce ;) ## Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a? Provalio sam :). Prebacio sam sa g protokola na f (7bit) i radi super...
unix.731 smarkov, -> #724, postmast
> Jedno pitanje oko Mini Linux-a: nece da radi X posto > (izgleda) moja kartica nije na spisku podrzanih. Kako da > namestim da X koristi barem obican VGA mod 640*480/16? Osim Koja je kartica ? Teško da nije na spisku podržanih od XFREE86. Verovatnije je da nisi podesio stvari u Xconfig-u (chipset opcija). Mislim da za običan VGA mod (16c) postoji poseban server - opet ne znam ima li ga u mL.
unix.732 postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 14:39:25 GMT Jednom prilikom Ivan Petrovic (omega@sezam.UUCP) rece: ## Re: cemu onda mL? ## >Pa da ti zagolica mastu.:)))) ## Pa onako sklopljen mL, bez pristojnog man-a i sl., ima ## tacno suprotan efekat :( A bas sam se prvo bio odusevio... ## Sada kada cujem da mi je potrebno 80 disketa za pravi Linux, ## pripadne mi muka. Mozda ti je bolja kombinacija da ostavis ML a da se posluzis setupom i doinstaliras N1-4, ... diskete koje ti trebaju... ext2 fajl sistem ne ubrzava nesto primetno rad linux-a, kao sto rece Novica mnogo je vaznija memorija... -- Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.733 postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:33:40 GMT ĐŠč On 06-29-95 00:02 Infort@sezam.uucp wrote: In> Predlazem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka In> se govori o opstim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...). Ja sam za. Kad imamo comp.linux, mozemo bas da imamo i yu.comp.linux. ... ((((((((HYPNOTIC))))))))((((((TAGLINE)))))))) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.734 postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:35:51 GMT Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) je rekao/la: >> Dragan Djokic (ddjokic@fon) wrote: >> -> raditi nesto drugo kad ih proces primi, da tako kazem. Ako se >> -> posalje signal 9, tj recimo kill -9 555 proces sa brojem 555 >> -> je sigurno upucan, nema sanse da ne radi. >> Postoje stanja procesa u kojima se ignorise i signal 9. Nesto sam cuo, ali bih voleo da ovde procitam i neki detaljniji odgovor, naravno ako moze. A sto se tice prethodnog odgovora verovatno je kolega pokusavao da "ubija" procese drugog korisnika pa mu je to pravilo problem. -- Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
unix.735 postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:31:49 GMT Jednom prilikom Stevan Markovic (smarkov@sezam.UUCP) rece: ## > Jedno pitanje oko Mini Linux-a: nece da radi X posto ## > (izgleda) moja kartica nije na spisku podrzanih. Kako da ## > namestim da X koristi barem obican VGA mod 640*480/16? Osim ## Koja je kartica ? Tesko da nije na spisku podrzanih od XFREE86. ## Verovatnije je da nisi podesio stvari u Xconfig-u (chipset opcija). ## Mislim da za obican VGA mod (16c) postoji poseban server - opet ## ne znam ima li ga u mL. Karica je Realtek :( (VGA - podrzava sve standardne modove i SVGA modove) u prevodu matora kartica :( Gledao sam u Xconfig-u i tamo postoji i sekcija za VGA16 kartice ali pri xinit-u on detekruje karticu (da li je et4000, cirrus itd.) i tamo je ne nadje i djipi napolje. E sada mene zanima da li XFREE86 moze da radi bez te detekcije tj. da se baci u standardne VGA modove? -- Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.736 postmast,
From: vukota@fon (Milos Vukotic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 10:06:54 GMT Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote: : ĐŠč On 06-29-95 00:02 Infort@sezam.uucp wrote: : In> Predlazem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka : In> se govori o opstim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...). : Ja sam za. Kad imamo comp.linux, mozemo bas da imamo i yu.comp.linux. I ja se slazem, Vukota
unix.737 postmast,
From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: Re: uucp via telnet Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 13:57:38 GMT Jednom prilikom Dusan Djordjevic (dusan.djordjevic@rstones.durlan.co.yu) rece: ## QWK To: Vladislav Bjelic ## VB> Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a? ## VB> Naime ja prvo nazovem odredjeni tel. broj pa se odatle telnetujem ## U principu je UUCP napravljen da moze da se tera kroz bilo sta. Samo u ## nekom konfiguracionom fajlu treba da navedes koje karaktere treba da ## preskace pri komunikaciji. Stvarno ne znam u kom tacno :( Pa i nije bas kasnije sam skinuo sa fon/a uucp faq da pogledam da li tu ima nesto i tamo lepo pise da G protokol *default?( trazi 8bit clean, pa sam setovao na F on je 7bit i radi bez problema... A to sto rece da se moze preskociti slanje i primanje odredjenih karaktera , to ne videh u dokumentaciji za UUCP. -- Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic
unix.738 postmast,
From: janev@prcko.hobbiton.CO.YU (Srdjan Janev) Subject: Re: unix Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:20:12 GMT Stevan Markovic (smarkov@sezam.UUCP) wrote: : Kratko receno, Internet adresa ima dva dela - mrezna i host adresa. : Ovako kako si ti izabrao adrese svi hostovi su ti na razlicitim mrezama. : Za prolazak izmedju dve mreze mora gateway , ... Hm. Meni je jedna masina 169.x.x.x a druga 199.x.x.x i u sistemu nema gateway-a, ni rutera ni mostica, a net maske su 255.255.255.x pa ping bez problema funkcionise. Inace ono sto sam primetio, kad se na PC-u digne NCSA telnet ili ftp taj PC se vidi sa pingom bez problema. Kad se NCSA napusti, PC se nekad vidi, a nekad ne !?!. Ako se instalira MS TCP/IP LAN manager, on ima svoj ping koji kroz njega prodje, A NCSA ili XFS ping nedaju nikakav rezultat, a pri tom sa drugih masina se taj PC vidi. Takodje je interesantno da se MS TCP/IP LAN digne sa pogresno setovanom karticom (NPR NE2000 irq=3, I/O=300h) dok u PROTOCOL.INI fajlu pise irq=5, i/o=300, nista ne javi, radi mu ping na samog sebe, ali je (normalno) mreza mrtva. MS dijagnostika salje neke blesave poruke iz kopjih se neda videti da je kartica setovana na jedan nacin a da program ocekuje drugo. Ako ovo nekom pomogne, bice mi drago. Srdjan.
unix.739 danko,
Vidimo da se pominje MS TCPIP za DOS. Da li je to odvojeni produkt od TCPIP za WinWg i gde ga ima, kao i da li podrzava serijsku komunikaciju (SLIP/PPP) ? Hvala, DANKO
unix.743 davor,
Imam problema sa misem pod Linux-om: ne reaguje na pomeranje misa po horizontali! Vertikalno pomeranje i button-i se detektuju ispravno. /dev/mouse je ln-ovan na /dev/ttyS0. Mis je "Mouse systems serial mouse", tako je prijavljen u setup-u, a i u Windows-ima. Inace nosi oznaku "A4 Tech", ako to nesto znaci. Testirao sam ga sa selection -t msc i probao sam sve kombi- nacije: -t ms i -t msc sa prekidacem na misu na 2 odn. 3 buttona, i jedino radi sa "3" i -t msc. E sad, kuriozitet je da je neposredno nakon instalacije Linux-a mis radio bez problema! To je trajalo neko vreme, i onda je s vremena na vreme otkazivao 'horizontalnu' poslusnost; u to doba je hard reset pomagao, a sada cak ni to. :( I X se po pitanju misa ponasa isto kao selection. Mis je naravno potpuno ispravan, pod DOS-om i Win. Sta da radim? Inace, i jedan prijatelj je imao identicne probleme. thanx. P.S. Verzija Linux-a je valjda 1.1.54 (ona sa sedamdeset disketa :)
unix.740 postmast,
From: adamm@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Mladen Adamovic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:19:24 GMT Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) wrote: : ĐŠč On 06-29-95 00:02 Infort@sezam.uucp wrote: : In> Predlazem da se uvede tema LINUX. Tema UNIX neka ostane i u njoj neka : In> se govori o opstim stvarima i o drugim UNIX-ima (SCO ...). : Ja sam za. Kad imamo comp.linux, mozemo bas da imamo i yu.comp.linux. Jos jedan glas za.... Naravno da treba otvoriti....
unix.741 postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin) Subject: Re: unix Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:52:00 GMT Mladen Adamovic (adamm@ELF.bl.ac.yu) pise: >> Jos jedan glas za.... >> Naravno da treba otvoriti.... Jos jedan glas za! Taman sam se umorio citajuci poruke o Linux Specific stvarima a ja vozim SCO :-) Bez sale, mislim da bi bilo preglednije za pracenje kada bi bilo yu.os.linux i yu.os.unix za ostale Unix-e, medju njima i SCO, posto mi se cini da je interesovanje za Linux vece od ukupnog interesovanja za ostale Unix sisteme.
unix.742 postmast,
From: SALE.OLUJIC@ZAMIR-BG.ztn.apc.org (Aleksandar Olujic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 22:45:06 +0100 şşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşş şşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşş Public reply to Vladislav Bjelic 's message written on 07.07.95 under subject Re: unix posted in /YU/OS/UNIX newsgroup. şşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşşş -> Karica je Realtek :( (VGA - podrzava sve standardne modove i SVGA -> modove) u prevodu matora kartica :( -> Gledao sam u Xconfig-u i tamo postoji i sekcija za VGA16 kartice ali -> pri xinit-u on detekruje karticu (da li je et4000, cirrus itd.) i tamo -> je ne nadje i djipi napolje. E sada mene zanima da li XFREE86 moze da -> radi bez te detekcije tj. da se baci u standardne VGA modove? Uh, nekako mi je XConfig issccilio iz glave, mada sam mnogo vreemna proveo radeci na video modovima. Mislim da u XConfigu treba skrenuti paznju XFREE serveru da koristi "generic" drajver i sve tipa no name i sl. U XConfigu postoji i podrska za razne monitori pa opet ako se ta sekcija ne setuje samim podacima o monitoru ili ako se ne "odtarabi" neki postojeci model - sve se moze podesiti. Isto vazi i za karticu. Treba obratiti paznju na sinhronizaciju i osjezavanje ekrana. XServer izbacuje nekonzistentnosti u tim paremtrima kad god pukne prilikom dizanja kad dodje do video modova. Pozdrav Sale -> -- -> Panonski mornar -> http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic ## CrossPoint v3.02 ##
unix.745 davor,
U vezi Linux-a: moze li neko reci koji su (minimalno) programi/fontovi itd. neophodni iskljucivo za PREGLED .ps i .dvi fajlova? Dobrodosle su i kombinacije tipa programi za pregled .ps fajlova + programi za konverziju .dvi u .ps fajlove. Da li postoji verzija koja ne zahteva X (imam samo 8M) ? thanx.
unix.746 smarkov, -> #735, postmast
> From: vbjelic@bucc (Vladislav Bjelic) > Subject: Re: unix > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:31:49 GMT > ## Koja je kartica ? Tesko da nije na spisku podrzanih od XFREE86. > ## Verovatnije je da nisi podesio stvari u Xconfig-u (chipset opcija). > ## Mislim da za obican VGA mod (16c) postoji poseban server - opet > ## ne znam ima li ga u mL. > > Karica je Realtek :( (VGA - podrzava sve standardne modove i SVGA modove) > u prevodu matora kartica :( > Gledao sam u Xconfig-u i tamo postoji i sekcija za VGA16 kartice ali > pri xinit-u on detekruje karticu (da li je et4000, cirrus itd.) i tamo > je ne nadje i djipi napolje. E sada mene zanima da li XFREE86 moze da > radi bez te detekcije tj. da se baci u standardne VGA modove? Nabavi VGA16 XFRee86 server. Radio si verovatno sa SVGA serverom.
unix.747 postmast,
From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo) Subject: Re: Mailer? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:18:52 GMT Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu): >> Imam problem sa mailerom (sendmail-om). >> Jednostavno posta se ne isporucuje ni lokalno >> ni preko UUCP-a Nekad sam koristio sendmail i imao grdnih problema da namestim sendmail.cf fajl. Mnogo me je bolela glava i posle dvadesetak dana citanja razne dokumentacije, proucavanja primera i slicno bio sam potpuno ocajan. Posto imam i smtp i uucp i nekakav zconnect od protokola, prekonfigurisane stvari nisu naravno radile... (a sad pauza za reklame) "Od kad koristim smail, cudno, ali glava mene vise ne boli" Zaista, smail je toliko lak i logican za konfiguraciju, da je to nevjerojatno. Moze bas sve sto i sendmail, to jest kompatibilan je sa njim. Jedina stvar koju jos ne znam da uradim je da namestim vrednost headera (sto je u sendmailu bilo, hmmm, recimo lako), ali i to verovatno moze... -- malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu ( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.748 smarkov, -> #738, postmast
> Hm. Meni je jedna masina 169.x.x.x a druga 199.x.x.x i u sistemu nema > gateway-a, ni rutera ni mostica, a net maske su 255.255.255.x pa ping bez > problema funkcionise. Tesko - naravno ne i nemoguce. Proveri - nema nikakvog rutiranja, masine su na razlicitim mrezama (prema izabranim adresama). Ako je tako da se teorijski/prakticno unapredimo.
unix.749 eotek,
Linux - ma kako da ln include ?? na jednoj masini sasvim lepo radi kompajler, pronadje sve include fajlove i odradi bez greske. na drugoj masini (a sve isto instalirano, kroz pkgtool) nikako da pronadje include fajlove. uradio sam kako kaze u kernel readme: cd /usr/include; rm -rf linux; rm -rf asm; ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux . ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm . ... i opet isto - ne nalazi pa . Onda sam cak i obrisao ceo /usr pa ga (nfs) kopirao sa prve na drugu masinu (sa cp -a), svi sim-link fajlovi su tu, sve isto izgleda na obe masine, ali na drugoj opet isti problem ...
unix.750 postmast,
From: dnekic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Nekic) Subject: Herkules grafika? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:05:40 GMT Da li je moguce prebaciti Herkules u graficki mod kod Linuxa? Odnosno kako rezervisati memoriju B000h-BFFFh i kasnije joj pristupiti? Moze li neko da kaze nesto vise o koriscenju memorije na Linuxu? Dragoljub
unix.751 postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) Subject: netscape Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:27:10 GMT Haj svima. Imam problema da nateram Netscape n16e11n da radi preko Troy winsock-a. Naime, Netscape se startuje, ali kad probam das pozovem neki www server, sa npr: http://www.etf.bg.ac.yu, sto inace savrseno radi sa Mosaic-om 20a7, Netscape mi prijavi "call to undefined dynalink" i ugasi se, a onda mi pukne i Troy winsock. Napominjem da Mosaic radi super, ali mi nije jasno zasto nece i Netscape. I jos jedna stvar - kako da nateram i jedan i drugi da rade kad Troy nije aktivan, odnosno kao obicne citace, lokalno (npr. kad pregledam neke svoje html-ove)? Sa Trumpet winsockom radi samo Mosaic, a Netscape ga startuje, i prijavi da je sam startovan, ali ga nigde nema ni od korova? I kako da biram koji mi winsock kad treba - Troy za pristup www serveru, a Trumpet za lokalan rad? Znam da mnogo pitam, ali mi vi mnogo i odgovorite. :)) Hvala. ... Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.756 spantic, -> #751, postmast
> From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) > I jos jedna stvar - kako da nateram i jedan i drugi da rade kad Troy > nije aktivan, odnosno kao obicne citace, lokalno (npr. kad pregledam > neke svoje html-ove)? Sa Trumpet winsockom radi samo Mosaic, a Netscape > ga startuje, i prijavi da je sam startovan, ali ga nigde nema ni od > korova? I kako da biram koji mi winsock kad treba - Troy za pristup www > serveru, a Trumpet za lokalan rad? Uzmeš nullsocket sa UBBG-a i postaviš ga u c:\windows\system, on simulira winsock.dll. Tako će sve raditi iz lokala. U principu klijent će tražiti dostupan winsock.dll. Prvo u lokalnom direktorijumu aplikacije, zatim u c:\windows\system direktoriju, zatim po path-u. Preporučljivo je držati nullsoc naprimer u windows\system a ostalo u svojim direktorijumima.
unix.757 davor,
Imam jednu *ogromnu* molbu za nekoga ko ima DOS Emulator 0.53 za Linux: imam nekoliko bad sectora na disketi sa DOS Emulatorom, i potrebna su mi cetiri parcica arhive DOSEM053.TGZ. (DOS) Program prikacen uz poruku ce iz te arhive (ko je ima) izdvojiti ta cetiri dela u posebne fajlove i zipovati. Ukupna duzina je svega 10k - ali 10k bez kojih nista ne mogu da uradim. :( Molba je, dakle, ako neko moze, da downloaduje ovaj program, razvije ga u jedan dir i u njega iskopira DOSEM053.TGZ, pokrene program, u uploaduje (na mail) kreirani .zip. Thanx. P.S. Program naravno ne moze da uradi nista lose: to je general-purpose ekstraktor dela fajla u neki drugi fajl, a pokrece se sa extract.bat. extract.zip
unix.758 postmast,
From: Aljosa.Jovanovic@f106.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Aljosa Jovanovic) Subject: proba Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:55:00 Ima li neko TwinSock za Linux (ako tako nesto postoji) ? Aljosa * Origin: PC Plus BBS, Beograd;+381-11-340-227;SETNet: (38:103/106)
unix.759 postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav) Subject: Re: proba Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:08:16 GMT Aljosa Jovanovic (Aljosa.Jovanovic@f106.n103.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) reche: /* > /* >Ima li neko TwinSock za Linux (ako tako nesto postoji) ? /* > Jock, to za sad avazi smao na relaciji "djubre" to Linux...:))) Pozdrav, Bane P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge! ============================================================================= Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu ============================================================================= If it's useless, it will have to be documented.
unix.760 smarkov, -> #750, postmast
> Da li je moguce prebaciti Herkules u graficki mod kod Linuxa? > Odnosno kako rezervisati memoriju B000h-BFFFh i kasnije joj pristupiti? > Moze li neko da kaze nesto vise o koriscenju memorije na Linuxu? Moguće je, naravno - pitanje je da li se isplati :). Prošla su vremena kada je svako pisao drajver za uredjaj, odnosno crtao jaaako brzo sa upisom u video memoriju. Znate onaj tip literature o PC-ju : može preko DOS-a ali jako sporo, BIOS mnogo brže (ali je, kao, nekompatibilno), a direktan upis - strava ... Vraćajući se na temu - pogledaj funkciju mmap (valjda ?). Proizvoljan segment *fizicke* memorije će ti preseliti u adresni prostor procesa. (Proces naravno mora da ima odgovarajuće UID, GID privilegije ili sticky bit itd ... ). Ako ni to ne ide uzmi Hacker's Kernel User Guide (obećava zar ne ? ).
unix.761 postmast,
From: PETAR.KAJEVSKI@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (PETAR KAJEVSKI) Subject: Mailer? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:31:00 MH> Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu): >> Imam problem sa mailerom (sendmail-om). >> Jednostavno posta se ne isporucuje ni lokalno >> ni preko UUCP-a MH> Nekad sam koristio sendmail i imao grdnih problema > da namestim sendmail.cf fajl. Mnogo me je bolela > glava i posle dvadesetak dana citanja razne dokumentacije, > proucavanja primera i slicno bio sam potpuno ocajan. MH> "Od kad koristim smail, cudno, ali glava mene vise > ne boli" Koliko znam, opsto je poznato da je sendmail "braindead" sto se tice raznih konfiguriranja i da je ocaj cesto stanje. :) Petar -- SPEED 2.00 [NR]: * Origin: SETNet: Struga BBS +389 96 74074 * Macedonia * (38:108/108)
unix.762 postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo) Subject: Re: unix Date: 19 Jul 1995 20:14:52 GMT Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) : >> >> Jos jedan glas za.... >> Jos jedan glas za! I od mene jedan glas... ZA! -- miroslav@alef.yucca.co.yu ( Miroslav R Hristodulo )
unix.763 postmast,
From: rade@zed.co.yu (Radivoje Zonjic) Subject: Re: uucp via telnet Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 01:07:35 GMT Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@bucc) wrote: : Imam jedno pitanjce ;) : Kako treba da podesim (sta?) uucp (taylor) da redi preko telnet-a? : Naime ja prvo nazovem odredjeni tel. broj pa se odatle telnetujem : na svoj uucp host, ali nesto nece da radi :( : To verovatno nece zbog telnet-a (ili gresim?), problem je sto ne : mogu da koristim rlogin :( : E sad mene zanima da li postoji uucp protokol (XXX) koji podrzava : 7-bit kanal... : Inace iz debug-a se vidi da je prosao INITA nivo ali zapne kod : INITB nivoa "dogovaranja"... : p.s. kod mene je taylor uucp (linux) zdravo, prvo definisi port : port port1 type pipe command /usr/bin/rlogin -E -8 -l uuzed fon naravno, u datoteci port, a zatim ostatak sredi u sys fajlu, tj. podesi chat script, umesto phone ulaza stavi address ulaz (address x.y.z.n) i to je to... meni fino radi preko PPP-a i rlogin (8-bita) ! poz. Rade : -- : Panonski mornar http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~vbjelic -- Rade Zonjic (rade@zed.co.yu) \ \...................\ \ \location:\ \organization:\ \Cyberhome\...................\ ->YUCCA<- \
unix.764 postmast,
From: Damjan.Janev@f132.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu (Damjan Janev) Subject: Linux & Bus Logitech Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:06:00 Miroslav Hristodulo, In a message on 12 June, wrote : MH> Probaj da u /etc/rc,d/rc.local liniju gde se pominje selection MH> promenis u: MH> selection -t bm & (za Busmouse) MH> selection -t logi & (za Logitech). MH> Pogledaj i man za selection... I ja isto imam problema sa mojim pacovom (Logitech Serial mouse) pod Linuxom 1.0.9. Ne radi nit' kao Logi nit' kao MS. damJANev P.S. Pod X-om radi kao MS. ... * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Just got a new car for my wife... Great trade... * Origin: SETNet: ĆMemory Master BBS +389/91-164-877ž SKOPJE (38:108/132)
unix.766 postmast,
From: vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: Mailer? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:59:27 GMT Hvala svima na odgovorima u vezi uucp-a, Xwin-a i mailer-a :)
unix.767 postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: Mailer? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:58:56 GMT PETAR KAJEVSKI (PETAR.KAJEVSKI@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote: -> Koliko znam, opsto je poznato da je sendmail "braindead" sto se tice -> raznih konfiguriranja i da je ocaj cesto stanje. :) Koristim smail, i planiram to i da nastavim, ali ovo gorenapisano je ipak proizvoljnost. sendmail JESTE tezi za konfigurisanje/odrzavanje (poseban problem su bug-of-week) ali je cinjenica da je izuzetno mocan.
unix.768 postmast,
From: vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Vladislav Bjelic) Subject: Re: Mailer? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 22:15:28 GMT Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote: : PETAR KAJEVSKI (PETAR.KAJEVSKI@f108.n108.z38.setnet.setnet.co.yu) wrote: : -> Koliko znam, opsto je poznato da je sendmail "braindead" sto se tice : -> raznih konfiguriranja i da je ocaj cesto stanje. :) : Koristim smail, i planiram to i da nastavim, ali ovo gorenapisano je ipak : proizvoljnost. sendmail JESTE tezi za konfigurisanje/odrzavanje (poseban : problem su bug-of-week) ali je cinjenica da je izuzetno mocan. A gde mogu da nabavim smail (binarnu verziju :)? FTP site...
unix.769 postmast,
From: miroslav@yucca.co.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo) Subject: Re: Mailer? Date: 24 Jul 1995 22:59:23 GMT Vladislav Bjelic (vbjelic@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu) : >> A gde mogu da nabavim smail (binarnu verziju :)? >> FTP site... smail.tgz sa neke od disketa iz Slackware N serije. Probaj na ftp://pax.caa.co.yu/pub/unix/bin/smail.tgz (do Paxa mozes stici ako pozoves Alefa na 626623 od 2200 do 1000). -- miroslav@alef.yucca.co.yu ( Miroslav R Hristodulo )
unix.770 postmast,
From: eotek@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu (Dragoljub Radojevic) Subject: Linux-news : "renouncing" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:44:38 GMT Linux / news: pokusavam da posaljem u svoj lokalni news poruku, ali, kako kroz tin tako i kroz Pnews dobijam: newsspool: renouncing setuid due to nonstandard 'NEWSPATH' in enviroment. cini mi se da ni jezicki nisam razumeo sta je pisac hteo da kaze. aiuto
unix.771 jeremy,
Počeo sam da se zanimam Linux-om, Mini verzijom, (uskoro će to biti kompletan Linux) i skinuo sam sa Sezama onaj guide za njega, ali u njemu su samo osnovne stvari. Tamo pominju neke knjige u el. obliku koje se mogu nabaviti na "..most ftp sites", a tiču se naprednijih osobina Linux/unix-a. Kako nemam baš pristup gore pomenutim mestima, ako neko ima, je l' bi mogao da pošalje koju Linux el. knjižicu? Hvala unapred :)
unix.772 postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) Subject: Re: proba Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:45:43 GMT ĐŠč On 07-16-95 15:08 Bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote: Ba> P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude Ba> nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge! Was was was????? Otkad to? Kako ja to ne znam, nc nc nc.... Smem li pitati odakle ti info? Jerbo bih ja hteo ppp i to 'itno. ... So, what you say is that I'm supposed to write something here? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.773 postmast,
From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:45:46 GMT ĐŠč On 07-16-95 12:08 Spantic@sezam.uucp wrote: > I jos jedna stvar - kako da nateram i jedan i drugi da rade kad Troy > nije aktivan, odnosno kao obicne citace, lokalno (npr. kad pregledam > neke svoje html-ove)? Sa Trumpet winsockom radi samo Mosaic, a Netscape > ga startuje, i prijavi da je sam startovan, ali ga nigde nema ni od > korova? I kako da biram koji mi winsock kad treba - Troy za pristup www > serveru, a Trumpet za lokalan rad? Sp> Uzmes nullsocket sa UBBG-a i postavis ga u c:\windows\system, Sp> on simulira winsock.dll. Tako ce sve raditi iz lokala. Sp> U principu klijent ce traziti dostupan winsock.dll. Prvo u lokalnom Sp> direktorijumu aplikacije, zatim u c:\windows\system direktoriju, zatim Sp> po path-u. Preporucljivo je drzati nullsoc naprimer u windows\system Sp> a ostalo u svojim direktorijumima. Jeste, ali ako greskom pozovem neki URL van lokala, bude ono legendarno "call to undefined dynalink" i ode sve down the drain, tj. bude jedan mali slatki General Protection Fault at module XXXYYYZZZ Mdejutim, otkrio sam da Mosaic moze da radi lokalno i bez aktivnog winsock.dll. Naime, kad ga startujem, on prijavi da ne moze da inicijalizuje winsock.dll, ali onda ne kliknem na OK buton, vec sa strane, i taj message ode u pozadinu, a Mosaic se lepo aktivira i radi bez problema. Ako slucajno pokusam da dovabim neki URL koji nije lokalni na disku, onda samo napise nesto tipa DNS error ili tako, ja kliknem na OK button, i sve nastavi normalno. Medjutim, Netscape nece da radi nikako, osim kad postoji veza preko twinsock-a, ili preko nullsock-a, ali onda i opet bude onaj problem sa non-local URL-ovima. So, kako njega prevariti da radi lokalno bez krahiranja? ... So, what you say is that I'm supposed to write something here? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
unix.774 postmast,
From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:19:13 GMT andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) wrote: >Medjutim, Netscape nece da radi nikako, osim kad postoji veza preko >twinsock-a, ili preko nullsock-a, ali onda i opet bude onaj problem sa >non-local URL-ovima. >So, kako njega prevariti da radi lokalno bez krahiranja? Ili ja ne razumem potpuno problem ili negde gresis. Dakle, ja imam 3 verzije winsock.dll fajla na disku: *) Trumphet, za SLIP/PPP vezu, koji je u path-u; *) Twinsock, koji stoji u twinsock-ovom dir-u, obavezno van path-a; *) Nullsock, koji stoji u Netscape direktorijumu, koji sluzi da Netscape cita lokalne URL-ove, ali samo ako ni jedan od prethodne dvojice nije aktivan. I sve, apsolutno sve radi. Pl poz D
unix.775 postmast,
From: bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu (Subotic Branislav) Subject: Re: proba Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:12:55 GMT Andrea Prunic (andrea@fon) reche: /* >ĐŠč On 07-16-95 15:08 Bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote: /* > Ba> P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude /* > Ba> nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge! /* >Was was was????? /* >Otkad to? Kako ja to ne znam, nc nc nc.... /* >Smem li pitati odakle ti info? Jerbo bih ja hteo ppp i to 'itno. Ja koliko znam Paya je pripremao anonymous UUCP i PPP naloge za FON odavno... Najbolje je da pitash njega... Pozdrav, Bane ============================================================================= Branislav Subotic * Belgrade Serbia YUGOSLAVIA * bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu ============================================================================= ... What's black and white and red all over? An embarassed zebra.
unix.776 eotek,
Linux: ext2fs v. umsdos Razlika je drasticna: na istoj (slaboj) masini (386/40, 4 MB ram, swap 16 MB) kada se radi na umsdos fs, kompajliranje kernela (dep,clean,zImage) traje preko 12 sati, a na native (ext2fs), sa swapom na swap particiju (isto 16 MB), nesto ispod 4 sata. Subjektivan (najvazniji ?) utisak, je da se radi o poboljsanju za par redova velicina - narocito napr. kada se kroz nc ucitava neki veci direktorijum (/usr/bin): kod umsdos to traje do nekoliko sekundi, kod ext2fs je skoro trenutno. Kod Novella performanse se mogu nesto poboljsati (i obrnuto) izborom velicine blokova particije, vazi li slicno za Linux - postavio sam velicinu na 1kb (zbog ustede na slaku) ? Kakva je relacija (formula) na liniji memorija(ram) - broj/velicina blokova - cashing(/hashing?) - brzina (nigde u brdu e-dokumentacije ne nadjoh nista na tu temu) ?
unix.777 marcony,
HITNO !!! Molim da mi neko odgovori da li na Linux-u postoji curses biblioteka. Ako postoji, molim da mi posalje njen "sadrzaj" (ovo se na SCO ili sl radi komandom: ar tv /usr/lib/libxcurses.a ili ar tv /usr/lib/libcurses.a Zahvaljujem :::::)
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From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) Subject: Re: proba Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:56:33 GMT ĐŠč On 07-27-95 10:12 Bane@zmaj.etf.bg.ac.yu wrote: /* >Smem li pitati odakle ti info? Jerbo bih ja hteo ppp i to 'itno. Ba> Ja koliko znam Paya je pripremao anonymous UUCP i PPP naloge Ba> za FON odavno... Najbolje je da pitash njega... Vala bas i 'ocu, samo nisam znao da je u BG-u, mislio sam da je isao u CG, na odmor :))) Ako nacujes jos nesto, jer ja ne znam kad cu da ga ukebam, javni mi, please. ... Windows - the Godzilla of operating systems... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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From: andrea@fon (Andrea Prunic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:56:29 GMT ĐŠč On 07-27-95 16:19 Drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu wrote: >Medjutim, Netscape nece da radi nikako, osim kad postoji veza preko >twinsock-a, ili preko nullsock-a, ali onda i opet bude onaj problem sa >non-local URL-ovima. >So, kako njega prevariti da radi lokalno bez krahiranja? Dr> Ili ja ne razumem potpuno problem ili negde gresis. Dakle, ja imam 3 Dr> verzije winsock.dll fajla na disku: Dr> *) Trumphet, za SLIP/PPP vezu, koji je u path-u; Dr> *) Twinsock, koji stoji u twinsock-ovom dir-u, obavezno van path-a; Dr> *) Nullsock, koji stoji u Netscape direktorijumu, koji sluzi da Dr> Netscape cita lokalne URL-ove, ali samo ako ni jedan od prethodne Dr> dvojice nije aktivan. Aaaaaa, munjo, tako li to ide..... Znaci, ako sam dobro shvatio, stavim nullcosk u Netscape-tov dir, trumpet-ov u path, a twinsock-ov sa kojim ostvarujem vezu trenutno prema out-world-u, stavim u svoj dir, i onda kako god da pokrenem Netscape, on ce uvek da radi, i nece da prijavljuje GPF kad lokalno pokusam da otvorim neki out-world URL? Jel'to ili sam opet nesto pogresno skopcao?? BTW, treba li mi trumpet uopste, jer za sada kod nas nema ppp providera (na moju OGROMANTNU zalost :< )? ... Windows - the Godzilla of operating systems... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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From: nikola@cherokee.hobbiton.co.yu (Nikola Mitrovic) Subject: Re: proba Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 10:21:04 GMT In article <DCCHw8.574@fon> andrea@fon writes: > > Ba> P.S. "djubre" valjda znash sta znaci.:))) E BTW na FONu nude > Ba> nesto kao anonymous PPP naloge! uz malo peekovanja provalicete da vec postoji desetak 'public' ppp naloga, ocigledno za potrebe testiranja.. sto znaci bice i toga, samo se strpite... i pripremite: krstenice, prijave mesta boravka, izjave o osiguranju, potvrdu da niste osudjivani, pasose (samo plavi dolaze u obzir), mini disertaciju na temu "Sta cu ja sa SLIPom [varijacija 'sa PPPom']", potvdu od MUPa da zaista imate odgovarajuci softver i od vojske da znate da ga koristite u bezbedne svrhe... e kad to nabavite.... onda... --- Nikola Mitrovic | email: nikola@indigroup.com Indian Group Network | nikola@tesla.cview.com | nikola@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu Cherokee # Apache # Mohawk # Yaqui # Arawak # Taino # Navajo # Ottawa # Ute
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From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:59:17 GMT [ Article crossposted from sci.math.symbolic,comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Wolfram Research (info@wri.com) ] [ Posted on Tue, 01 Aug 95 15:48:37 GMT ] Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica for Linux. With Mathematica running under Linux, users can take advantage of Mathematica9s extensive numeric and symbolic capabilities, 2D and 3D graphics, a high-level programming language, as well as the many Mathematica applications available. Mathematica for Linux includes support for MathLink via TCP/IP. MathLink, Wolfram Research9s communication standard, lets users make seamless connections between Mathematica, their own applications, and other commercially available software. With MathLink it is possible to exchange information between Mathematica and other programs either on one machine or among several machines on a network. For further information contact Wolfram Research: Wolfram Research, Inc. telephone: 1-800-441-6284 or 1-217-398-0700 email: info@wri.com www: http://www.wri.com Wolfram Research Europe Ltd. telephone: +44-(0)1993-883400 email: info-euro@wri.com Wolfram Research Asia Ltd. telephone: 81-3-526-0506 email: info-asia@wri.com or see information on Wolfram Research's World Wide Web Pages <http://www.wri.com/mathematica/platform/platlinux.html> -- Send comp.os.linux.announce submissions to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember a short description of the software.
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From: drazen@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu (Drazen Pantic) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:14:09 GMT dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) wrote: >Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica >for Linux... Nepostojanje Mathematica-e je bio jedan od poslednjih raloza za neprelazak na Linux. Sada je to otklonjeno. Jos samo da nadjemo da pazarimo "povoljno", po ceni po kojoj smo pazarili isti paket za Windoze. Pl poz D
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: New version of Dynace Object Oriented Extension to C Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:17:52 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Blake McBride ] [ Posted on 7 Jun 1995 04:38:59 -0500 ] ANNOUNCEMENT: NEW DEVELOPMENT TOOLS The Dynace Object Oriented Extension to C has been released for Linux. The Dynace Object Oriented Extension To C (Dynace) is a preprocessor, include files and a library which extends the C language with advanced object oriented capabilities, automatic garbage collection and multiple threads. Dynace is designed to solve many of the problems associated with C++ while being easier to learn and containing more flexible object oriented facilities. Dynace is able to add facilities previously only available in languages such as Smalltalk and CLOS without all the overhead normally associated with those environments. Dynace is supported under Linux, DOS, Windows 3.1, NT, '95 and other Unix. If you have seen previous releases of Dynace, take another look. This release has been significantly enhanced, simplified and automated. For more information see our Web page at: http://www.everest.com/algorithms You can also get postscript information files at: ftp://ftp.everest.com/pub/dynace/docs Questions should be addressed to: dynace-info@everest.com or click here mailto:dynace-info@everest.com -- Blake McBride Algorithms Corporation 615-791-1636 voice 3020 Liberty Hills Drive 615-791-7736 fax Franklin, TN 37064 blake@edge.net USA -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: alpha-numeric pager interface Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:23:58 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was James Bryant ] [ Posted on Wed, 26 Jul 95 07:54:57 GMT ] BeeperWare 1.3 Enable your applications to work directly with your Alpha-Numeric pagers! BeeperWare follows the TAP protocol (the industry standard), and will work with any pager provider who also follows this protocol. It will also allow you to receive mail messages on your pager, using the bpmail daemon included. Internet providers!! Start your own paging service using our software! The BeeperWare product has the following capabilities: Send messages via standard input or a named file Send to users via names in a user configuration file Send to a group of users or all users Send to any tty listed in the devices configuration file Works with Unix mail Cancel individual requests or group requests Queue multiple messages to multiple users and/or modems with different phone numbers Log messages with time queued, sender, receiver, etc Messages are spooled so the terminal is not tied up Uses familiar "lp" style commands - bp, bpsched, bpstat, etc Easy integration into existing or new applications SCO unix custom installable and removable Configuration files can be saved if the software is reinstalled The following options are configurable via configuration file: Lifetime in minutes of message before being cancelled as unable to send Size of message as determined by your pager provider Modem speed Parity of modem - must match remote terminal Debug level Path/filename of scheduler log file Root directory where bp spooler programs are located Strings to search for in the Unix mail file subject line Time in minutes between searches for unsent messages, both in the spooler and in mail files Flag to send the "from" field in the e-mail message E-mail to sender with status of message (sent, not sent, etc) The following utilities are included with BeeperWare: bpadmin -- add, change, remove and make default users, groups, devices bpclr -- clears all current requests, resets file permissions bpcancel -- cancel named request(s) and group requests bplog -- list contents of log files to standard output bpd -- creates messages from e-mail, restarts bpsched bplist -- list defined users, groups, devices bpstat -- list default user and modem; list outstanding requests Also included is the BeeperWare bpadminsh, which allows the above utilities to be ran from a windowed menu system, based on the dialog programs. The base source tree for dialog is provided, and is located in /usr/local/src as a tarred and gzipped file. See the README file in that directory for information about the GPL and distribution of dialog. BeeperWare has currently been ported to SCO and Linux. If you have an interest in seeing this ported to any other platform, please contact us about this. It is possible we are already working on it! If you are interested in receiving more information, and a demo, please contact us at: CS Data Corporation 8031 Phillips Hwy. Suite #1 Jacksonville, FL 32256 (904) 731-5195 (ask for Jerry Brubaker or Tony) (904) 731-4588 FAX or email to jcbryant@jax.jaxnet.com -- Send comp.os.linux.announce submissions to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Multi- Platform Multithreading for Linux Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:20:21 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Interbase ] [ Posted on 1 Jul 1995 12:36:01 +0300 ] The Interbase multithreading program library - mthreads - is now available for the Linux 1.2.8 kernel. The new addition makes the mthreads library program product now available in versions for IBM AIX 3.2.4 Linux version 1.2.8 Mark Williams Company Coherent 4.2.10 SCO UNIX 3.2v4.2 The mthreads program library provides a set of syntactically identical, semantically consistent, multithreading functions on each supported platform. Multi- platform consistency means software developers now have a powerful aid to portability as well as meeting aggressive performance requirements. mthreads supports a sequential programming model for high performance I/O intensive concurrent applications. Threads - lightweight contexts - provide multiple execution paths in the same process, avoiding much of the performance penalty of multiple processes. Capabilities are equivalent to those of the Carnegie Mellon University C Threads Coroutine Implementation (C Threads, Eric C. Cooper, Richard P.Draves, Carnegie Mellon University, June 1988, CMU-CS-8-154, pg 11). mthreads allows you to: + Interleave thread execution with I/O. + Dynamically create and delete multiple threads in a single process address space. + Synchronize and coordinate multiple threads. + Dynamically track thread storage usage. + Provide per thread timing services. + Access full Berkley sockets capability. (Where supported by the underlying operating system). All Interbase products come with man pages providing complete on line documentation enabling you to quickly identify and understand general principles of operation as well as the operation of each specific library function. The one time licence fee of $380 (plus $20 shipping and handling in the US) gives you unlimited royalty free distribution of the mthreads library when linked into your product. You also have unlimited use and duplication rights in your own business (there are no per user or per machine fees), and you may use included source code without restriction. Technical support, exclusive of toll charges, is free for the first 30 days after shipment. Each version is sold separately. Liberal discounts when multiple versions ordered. To obtain information on product availability, technical data sheets, and pricing, please provide your name, company affiliation, and either your FAX telephone number, or your street address, to: Bryan Batten America Online: Interbase@aol.com Interbase Compuserve: 72704.1727@compuserve.com 419 Talbert Street Playa del Rey, CA 90293 Voice, FAX: (310) 822-1847 FAX responses will be sent 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM PDT. ========================================================= Interbase (Bryan Batten) 419 Talbert Street Playa del Rey, CA 90293 America Online: Interbase@aol.com Compuserve: 72704.1727@compuserve.com Solutions in distributed and concurrent programming -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Sydney: EMPRESS for Linux (database) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:19:39 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Daniel Caddy ] [ Posted on 1 Jul 1995 12:33:52 +0300 ] ESI Empress Australia has released a Linux edition of its Empress database. It is available in single- and multi-user versions. Personal Empress for Linux is a standalone, single-user RDBMS development environment. The Linux release is based on the full function version 6.6 of Empress and has been tailored for use as a single user system. It includes RDBMS with Embedded, Interactive and Dynamic SQL, Host Language "C" interfaces, Database Server, Report Generator, Database Utilities, 4GL with Application Generator, GUI Builder for Motif, GUI "C" API, ODBC Interface and documentation on CD-ROM. The multi-user version is configured for four users. Prices are:- Single-user development $A199.00 Single-user runtime $A149.00 Multi-user development $A299.00 Multi-user runtime $A199.00 Local support is in place. The full version of Empress is being used by :- Bureau of Meteorology Environmental Protection Authority The Ricegrowers Co-operative DSTO Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, New Zealand. Details from :- Otto Kiow, ESI Empress Australia phone : 02-283-4855 fax : 02-283-4090 -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Caldera Network Desktop now shipping Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:18:56 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Caldera Annoucements ] [ Posted on 16 Jun 1995 15:58:48 +0300 ] We are pleased to announce the First Preview Release of the Caldera Network Desktop, a complete Linux-based operating system. In addition to a complete Linux distribution from Red Hat Software, the Network Desktop also includes many commercial components, such as a full featured NetWare client, a graphical Desktop metaphor, and a commercial font server. The NetWare client automatically shows all NetWare servers and NDS trees in your network within as filesystem objects. NetWare filesystems are transparently auto-mounted. Other NDS objects are viewable. The Desktop includes fully-configurable drag and drop, file typing, numerous graphical configuration dialogs, and system administration tools. The font server allows any X11 application to use TrueType, Type 1 PostScript, and SPEEDO fonts. You can install third party fonts. The Network Desktop features a graphical package-based installation to quickly get you started and allow for easy system maintenance. All those who purchase the First Preview Release and send in the registration card will automatically receive the Second Preview Release at no additional charge. The Second Preview Release will include additional commercial tools, and improved installation and documentation. SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS The Network Desktop runs on any Intel-based PC. The Express Install option requires 140 MB of disk space. 16 MB is also required for a swap partition. 16 MB of RAM are recommended, but the Network Desktop will operate in 8 MB, especially in text mode. A CDROM drive is required to install the Network Desktop, though the CDROM drive can be located on a machine connected via NFS. A 3-1/2 inch drive is required to make boot disks for the installation. ORDERING The Caldera Network Desktop is available in a complete package with CDROM and Getting Started Guide. It is licensed for use on a single machine only. U.S. customers: US$29 Network Desktop US$10 shipping and handling US$39 total for both shipments Non-U.S. customers US$29 Network Desktop US$20 customs paperwork overhead US$20 shipping and handling US$69 total for both shipments Again, these prices cover TWO complete shipments. We apologize for the extra international charges, which we must pass on from our fulfillment house, which charges us $10 extra per shipment to addresses outside the U.S. We are working to lower these costs. Send e-mail to orders@caldera.com for details on ordering. FOR MORE INFORMATION WWW: http://www.caldera.com/ Email: info@caldera.com FTP: ftp.caldera.com finger: info@caldera.com Caldera, Inc. 931 West Center St. Orem, Utah 84057 USA Voice: +1 801-229-1675 FAX: +1 801-229-1579 ABOUT CALDERA Caldera, Inc. is committed to supporting the Linux development model and will continue to contribute to Linux. All source code to which we have redistribution rights is included on the Network Desktop CDROM. Caldera also intends to help increase the usefulness of Linux and spread its influence by providing commercial additions to Linux. Source code for these commercial components is not available. -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Crisp text editor: Special Time Limited Promotion Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:18:22 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Sales Information ] [ Posted on 7 Jun 1995 04:39:02 -0500 ] ARE YOU USING VI OR EMACS TO EDIT FILES ? DO YOU USE A TOOTHBRUSH TO WASH THE DISHES ? Ironically that is exactly what most of the workstation/Linux users are doing by using outdated tools such as vi, Emacs and their numerous clones. Face it, users spend a majority of their time on any computer system editing files. Don't frustrate yourself with the toys of the 70s, get something that professionals on the workstations depend on: CRiSP-EDiT PROMOTION ========= The list price for CRiSP-EDiT on Linux platform is $189.99. However for a limited time only [PROMOTION IS GOOD THRU JUNE 30th 1995], you can get the latest release [4.2.2] of this state of the art file editor on Linux platform for ******* $39.99 ******* [see details below]. WHAT MAKES CRiSP-EDiT DIFFERENT: ================================ CRiSP-EDiT is a modern file editor suitable for programmers and other professionals who need to edit files. It incorporates most of the advanced concepts of vi, Emacs, BRIEF and various Windows products whilst presenting the most intuitive user interface possible. It includes many advanced features which demanding professionals have come to expect in an advanced development environment, including customizable toolbar support, floating help, syntax coloring, template editing, etc. This all leads to an aesthetically pleasing user interface which requires no learning at all to get started. All of this is configurable and customizable. CRiSP-EDiTs dynamic syntax coloring adds a new dimension to the coding cycle. You see your code in a new light! Such trivial issues as blocks of code accidentally being commented out are a thing of the past because your eyes now tell you something is wrong. CRiSP is designed to avoid needing to learn yet-another-keyboard layout. It is designed to be useful within minutes of starting the software up, and its capabilities grow with your use of the product. It does not get in the way of what you want to do, and in fact offers facilities such as entirely mouse-driven editing, to entirely keyboard-driven editing. How you use CRiSP is up to you. There are no limitations in the scope for which it can be used. FINE PRINT ========== Following restrictions apply: 1) Only available to users connected via Internet and have the capability to download software. [Additional charges apply for shipment and media]. 2) Payment will need to be made via credit card, or check. 3) No telephone technical support. Free Email technical support will be provided for the duration of the offer. 4) Manuals are on-line, printed copies can be purchased at an additonal price. 5) IMPORTANT: Need to refer to code "I LOVE CRiSPY EDITING" to get this offer. No exceptions. 6) Available exclusively from Vital, Inc. ORDERING INFORMATION ==================== You can place the order by sending an EMAIL to orders@vital.com. Please provide the following details. Name Phone Number: Fax Number: Email Address: Visa Card# Expiration Date: You can also fax in your order at: +1 (214) 491-6909. This fax number is completely secure. For questions, please send an email to: info@vital.com or owner-crisp-list@uunet.uu.net Special Promotions Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vital Inc. |EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR CRiSP-EDiT [GUI Text Editor] 4109 Candlewyck Drive | Information: info@vital.com Plano, TX 75024. U.S.A | Orders: orders@vital.com Ph: +1 (214) 491-6907 | Support: support@vital.com Fax: +1 (214) 491-6909 | Mailing List: owner-crisp-list@uunet.uu.net -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Interactive UNIX Guide Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:16:08 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Mo Chen ] [ Posted on 26 May 1995 08:49:10 -0500 ] Sunny Micro Lab is pleased to announce "The Interactive UNIX Guide", a comprehensive computer-based UNIX training system for Linux. The System is designed to guide beginners step by step to master all UNIX survival skills interactively in a short period of time. No human tutor's supervision is required since it is self-contained. The system is organized like a traditional textbook. It has chapters, sections, pages (ie. one screenful) and tutorials. Interactive tutorial sessions are attached to pages. Here are the highlights of feature: * 72 interactive tutorial sessions are available. * More than 90 core UNIX utilities are introduced. * Tutorials on Internet basics and editor vi all go interactive. * Real UNIX responses. True hands-on experience. Self-pacing. * Play it like a video game, it's fun to learn UNIX! * Serves as an attendant tutor and refresher of UNIX skills. * 10 times effective than reading textbooks. The software is distributed in a 3.5" floppy with a 140 page hardcopy of the on-line text with index and references. It works with any Linux system. Promotional price: $80 USD plus $10 for S&H. Resellers welcomed. For more information, please contact: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunny Micro Lab, 1300 Britannia Rd. East, Suite 208, Mississauga, Ontario L4W 1C8, Canada. Voice: 1.905.795.9292 Fax: 1.905.795.9291 E-mail: info@sunni.com or sunni@hookup.net -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: SoftCraft 1.2 Linux distribution Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:15:30 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Karen Nelson ] [ Posted on 26 May 1995 08:49:07 -0500 ] SolutionS R Us, INC ANNOUNCES SoftCraft(TM) 1.2 Linux Available Now !! Description: SoftCraft Linux is a "FULLY" supported menu driven installation with builtin integrity checking. This easy step by step installation is suited for either a Novice User and/or an Expert User. Features: -- Stable Kernel (1.2) with generic boot floppy -- Extendable Kernels via loadable modules -- Selectible modular installation and maintenance -- Developer's toolkit (gcc 2.6.2) with stable debugger -- Ability to configure as a WEB Server and/or Client -- Databases: Postgres, Typhoon (dbvista clone) -- System V init with built in UPS capabilities -- X11R6 -- DOSEMU under Virtual console and X Windows (DOS in a box) -- IBCS SCO Binaries -- SNMP Ready -- Sendmail, mh and exmh -- Samba -- Ghostscript -- IP Firewall And much much more! 34 components in all. Ordering Information: The SoftCraft Linux CD is available now for only $69.95 plus tax & Shipping with 30 days free support. A 1 Year support contract and other pricing options are available call now 800-985-1878 for more information or to place your order. Visa/Mastercard accepted. Or you can email info@sru.com or sales@sru.com for furthur information. General Information: SolutionS R Us, INC., is also developing other features for future releases We offer Systems Integration and support for Linux and other platforms. Other services include consulting for System Administration, Network design and support. Allow us to provide you with a Total SOLUTION package for your needs. www http://sru.com (Currently Part-time with plans to go full-time) -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: SEDIT and S/REXX for Linux Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:14:25 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Barili Sys Ltd ] [ Posted on 19 May 1995 07:53:22 -0500 ] Benaroya is pleased to announce special introductory pricing for the Linux versions of their SEDIT, S/REXX and S/REXX Graphical Debugger products. The Linux version currently in beta test is available for download along with versions for the other currently supported UNIX(tm) platforms. SEDIT is a powerful UNIX text editor patterned after IBM's XEDIT mainframe editor. It operates with a GUI under X windows or in character mode when X is not suitable. S/REXX implements all REXX language features described in the second edition of Mike Cowlishaw's book, "The REXX Programming Language", except that numberic digits are limited to 15. In addition, S/REXX includes a number of features designed to complement the UNIX environment. An extensive description of these products along with a few sample screen snap-shots is available via the WWW at: url: http://www.portal.com/~sedit The downloadable software (please review license.txt!) *and* a flat ASCII file version (no graphics and other shortcomings) of the WWW document is via anonymous ftp from directory pub/sedit at ftp.portal.com. See either seditsrexxinfo.txt.gz or seditsrexxinfo.txt (same content) for the descriptive material. If you are unable to use the WWW or ftp for access, email to: sedit@shell.portal.com and I'll send you the .txt file (please indicate whether you want the gziped or uncompressed version. The Linux introductory pricing for SEDIT or S/REXX starts at $99 or both for $160. For all of the options and limitations associated with this offer, planned regular pricing, etc., please see the above references. for Benaroya, Dave Morris barili systems limited (tm)UNIX is a trademark of X/Open Company, LTD. -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: REPOST: COMMERCIAL: OpenGL for Linux from Evans and Sutherland Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:13:23 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Waren Stout ] [ Posted on 11 May 1995 11:53:54 GMT ] SALT LAKE CITY, May 5, 1995 -- Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation (E&S) and Portable Graphics, Inc. (PGI) , a wholly-owned subsidiary of E&S, announce the availability of OpenGL(r) for Linux from E&S. OpenGL for Linux is a software implementation of the OpenGL Sample Implementation from Silicon Graphics, Inc. and runs as an extension to the standard X package on Linux. It is a complete development environment that can be used to write, compile, and run OpenGL applications. OpenGL for Linux is the first 3D product from E&S that is aimed at the Linux operating system. OpenGL for Linux is an OpenGL-compliant product and passes the OpenGL conformance test suites for all the currently shipping servers. A LinkKit will be provided to ensure that users can configure additional extensions and video drivers as needed. The initial price for OpenGL for Linux from E&S is $79.00 plus shipping and handling. Anticipated availability is within four weeks. Direct ordering information and additional technical information will be posted to this news group within the next two weeks. In keeping in the spirit of the Linux community, all the development time for OpenGL for Linux was donated by Evans & Sutherland employees. Many of the developers are loyal Linux users who are keenly interested in developing 3D graphics technology for the Linux environment. OpenGL for Linux will provide a sophisticated application development environment, as well as an excellent migration path for 3D applications. E&S intends to offer one of the first OpenGL applications for Linux, as work has already begun on Open Inventor from E&S. This product is being developed under the guidance of the Linux community. We at E&S welcome comments and ideas about your own work in 3D graphics and how we can become a part of it. Please post your questions and comments to wstout@es.com. Stay tuned to this posting for additional product, technical, and program information. OpenGL is a registered trademark of Silicon Graphics, Inc. -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: REPOST: COMMERCIAL: Comtrol web server now online Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:12:34 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Chris Elmquist ] [ Posted on 11 May 1995 11:41:14 GMT ] Comtrol has just turned on our WWW server. Check out our "HOT" RocketPort board... you can see a picture of the board and click on the components to get a description of what they are and what they do. We have pricing, dealer and distribution information available here as well as info on our other communication products. Distribution of drivers via links to our FTP service will be available shortly. Check it out and give us some feedback. web is: http://www.comtrol.com or you can email any of our automated repliers: info@comtrol.com for general corporate information linux@comtro.com for info on our Linux support rocketport@comtrol.com for details on our RocketPort product line or to reach a human: sales@comtrol.com for sales and distribution related issues support@comtrol.com for technical support and anything else ! Thanks for considering Comtrol Corporation for your multiport serial requirements. Chris Elmquist, chrise@comtrol.com Engineer -- Chris Elmquist, N0JCF Comtrol Corporation voice: (612)631-7614 chrise@comtrol.com Makers of the famous fax: (612)631-8117 chrise@n0jcf.com RocketPort(tm) multiport serial card. -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: REPOST: COMMERCIAL: Stock Charting and Technical Analysis Tool Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:11:59 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was Henry Chen ] [ Posted on 11 May 1995 11:39:14 GMT ] Description: BB Tool is a powerful stock charting, technical analysis and portfolio management tool. Distribution Media: FTP download, or 3.5" diskettes Licensing Policy: Per machine license. FREE demo version is available via FTP at: ftp.portal.com:/pub/ctor OS Provisions: kernel version 1.1.52+, XFree86 3.1.1 Documentation: PostScript formatted document is available via FTP download. ftp.portal.com:/pub/ctor/bb_doc.ps.gz The document has 42 pages including tutorial and reference guide. Man pages are also provided. BB Tool has extensive context sensitive online help. Available in English only. Product Support: Free patch of current version available via Email or FTP. Linux Support: N/A Extra Features and Add-Ons: Historic stock data on US Stock Exchange (NYSE, AMEX, NASDAQ) are available at US$1.00 per stock. Daily stock quote is available FREE, distributed via Email. Available Since: Sun SPARC version available since December 1993. Linux version available April 1995. Countries with Distribution: US Price Range: Linux version: US$79; Sun SPARC version: US$89 Plus tax and shipping (if applicable) Installed Base: New on Linux Vendor: Falkor Technologies P.O.Box 14201 Fremont, CA 94539 U.S.A. Phone: +1 (510) 505-0700 Contact: Henry Chen Email: ctor@shell.portal.com Snapshot of BB Tool [ Deleted by moderator; it was 25 kB and not relevant enough, I though. --liw ] -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: New Edition of ACC's PC Unix and Linux Catalog. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:09:59 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was ACC Corp. ] [ Posted on 5 May 1995 16:09:03 +0300 ] ACC Corp., Inc. is pleased to announce volume 5 of our growing PC UNIX and LINUX Catalog. ************************** This 24 page four-color printed catalog features the latest Linux and PC Unix apps, books, and CD's this is a handy resource that serious Linux users need. Important new products in Volume 5 include: LEADING LINUX DISTRIBUTIONS: a. Caldera Inc's first release will ship mid-May: "The Preview Edition of the Caldera Network Desktop." Built on top of the Red Hat Commercial Linux distribution the Preview edition of the Caldera Network Desktop includes a complete Graphic Desktop Environment that works the way a desktop should ! Also Includes: - Web browser - True type fonts and font support. - Netware Client. - a second (July) release mailed free. Only $29.95 plus shipping. b. Red Hat Developers Program: As the core of the Caldera Desktop, the development team at Red Hat are offering a subscription/update info/support program to help serious developers port their applications to, and support their applications on, the Linux OS. Red Hat's Developers Program includes: - monthly CD of the latest Red Hat Distribution and Red Hat packaged Linux files. - News notes on new features of Linux and Red Hat. - Technical email support. - Subscription to the Developers program mailing list. - and more. All for only $299 ! c. And all your favorite Linux distributions from Infomagic's great value 4CDset to the new ELF based Linux FT. From $25 to $99. APPLICATIONS: SlickEDIT for Linux, $195.00 NExS, the network extensible spreadsheet $149.00 SWiM Motif 2.0, the developer's Motif! $149.00 and many more applications. LOW COST TECHNICAL CD'S: All the latest technical CD's from Infomagic and Walnut Creek! PC UNIX AND LINUX BOOKS: O'Reilly's complete line of UNIX and Linux books, and a selection of other interesting books for maximizing your UNIX environment. Please fill out the form attached at the end of this message carefully, and we will be pleased to send you a copy of Volume 5 of the PC Unix and Linux Catalog. Or simply browse our web pages at: http://www.on-the-net.com/acc-corp/ You can also get more info on Red Hat from: http://www.redhat.com/ And additional info is available about the Caldera Network Desktop at: http://www.caldera.com/ CATALOG REQUEST FORM: ********************* PLEASE: We are using an automated name capture and it will only work properly if you do not add or remove any lines between the [Start...] and [End...] lines. Instructions: 1. Just cut-out the 12 line address form between the lines of asterixes below (including the [ ] lines) 2. Fill in the details (after the colon on each line) If a line does not apply, just leave it blank (but do not delete it). 3. email it back to: mail-catalog@acc-corp.com with the subject: MAIL-PRINTED-CATALOG 4. Thank you. ************************************************** [ Start of request for catalog - (do not remove) ] 1. Name: 2. Company: 3. Apt-Suite-Mail-Stop: 4. Address-Line-1: 5. Address-Line-2: 6. City: 7. State-or-provience: 8. Zip-or-postal-code: 9. Country: 10. Email: [ End of request for catalog - (do not remove) ] *************************************************** Send your request form to: mail-catalog@acc-corp.com with the subject: MAIL-PRINTED-CATALOG ACC Corp., Inc. "Home of the PC UNIX - Linux Catalog" (800) 454-5502 or (203) 454-5500 fax: (203) 454-2582 info@acc-corp.com or http://www.on-the-net.com/acc-corp -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:06:41 GMT Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote: -> Dragisa N. Duric pise: -> >> Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica -> >> for Linux. -> Neverovatno! Zar se neko odlucio da nesto prodaje za Linux gde -> je uobicajeno da se do stvari dolazi razmenom? Verovatno ce tako -> i Mathematica da se razmenjuje po navici, verujem i "preko bare". -> Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux? :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) E glisho, potrazi COMMERCIAL u naslovima poruka u comp.os.linux.announce... zatim pogledaj neki info o IBCS... pa o ELF... pa obrisi SCO... :) UBR, koliko je meni poznato, kod nas se do SCO softvera dolazi na gorepomenuti nacin, or se varam? :) dd
unix.783 postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:16:04 GMT Dragisa N. Duric pise: >> Wolfram Research is now shipping a new version of Mathematica >> for Linux. Neverovatno! Zar se neko odlucio da nesto prodaje za Linux gde je uobicajeno da se do stvari dolazi razmenom? Verovatno ce tako i Mathematica da se razmenjuje po navici, verujem i "preko bare". Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux?
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From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: COMMERCIAL: Announcing XessLite Spreadsheet for Linux Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:14:47 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.announce ] [ Author was arthur@ais.com ] [ Posted on 19 May 1995 07:56:03 -0500 ] XessLite Debuts AIS Offers New Spreadsheet for Linux CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- May 12, 1995-- Applied Information Systems today announced XessLite, a new spreadsheet for the Linux desktop. The XessLite spreadsheet provides powerful computational and charting facilities packaged specifically for the personal computing user with Linux. Orders are being taken now for the $295 product with volume shipments beginning in early June. XessLite is a native X Windows application on Linux with the Motif look and feel. It provides advanced power by augmenting the standard spreadsheet operations with functions for matrix operations, Fourier transforms, multiple regressions, linear equation solving, and advanced statistics. Users can build basic graphs with a single selection and mouse click, then use colors and shading to emphasize differences. Graph types include bar, line, scatter, X-Y, polar, pie, histogram, high-low, contour, and 3D surfaces. Graphs may be in separate windows or placed on the sheet with your data. "AIS has been active in the Linux community for some time, and we already provide a version of the full XESS product for Linux. We have received many requests for a more cost-effective solution for the personal desktop users of Linux," said Arthur Coston, president of AIS. "XessLite is a strong response to these requests by providing a powerful commercial product with pricing competitive with PC products." XessLite is derived from the proven XESS technology and is upwardly compatible. XessLite spreadsheets are a proper subset of XESS spreadsheets and may be shared among users of the two systems. Licenses for XessLite may be upgraded when needed to XESS licenses with full protection of the user's investment in XessLite. XESS, the first real-time spreadsheet, is available for most UNIX and OpenVMS systems through AIS and its partners worldwide. Demonstration versions of XessLite will be available soon on the Internet through http://www.ais.com or at ftp.uu.net in /vendor/ais. Applied Information Systems, headquartered in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is a 22-year-old supplier of software products and solutions. It specializes in multi-vendor integration applications and advanced client/server applications. For more information, contact: Applied Information Systems, Inc. 919-942-7801 100 Europa Drive Fax 919-493-7563 Chapel Hill, NC 27514 info@ais.com USA http://www.ais.com -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software. -- -+- anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU
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From: anubis@ELF.bl.ac.yu (Igor Loncarevic) Subject: Odgovor na pitanje postoje li komercijale za linux Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:29:03 GMT Ovo bese odgovor na glisino pitanje :), malo opsirniji ali zato i malo korisniji.. -+- Igor Loncarevic, anubis@elf.bl.ac.yu
unix.800 novim,
Dva infoa za Linuxovce: 1. Ako nabavljate neki Linux na CD-u, pogledajte onaj što se zove "Linux Slackware Professional", koji uz uobičajene distribucije i instalacije, nudi i ovu mogućnost: "You can run this version of Linux directly from your CD-ROM while using only 8 megabytes of hard disk space". 2. U izgledu je (prema vestima iz jednog OS/2 časopisa) da će se ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2, kao jedna od njegovih sesija (neobično zvuči, ali eto...)
unix.801 postmast,
From: ddjokic@fon (Dragan Djokic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:05:11 GMT Milan Markovic (marcony@sezam.UUCP) je rekao/la: >> HITNO !!! >> Molim da mi neko odgovori da li na Linux-u postoji curses biblioteka. >> Ako postoji, molim da mi posalje njen "sadrzaj" (ovo se na SCO ili sl >> radi komandom: >> ar tv /usr/lib/libxcurses.a ili >> ar tv /usr/lib/libcurses.a >> Zahvaljujem :::::) Curses postoji ali je poprilicno nekpmletna. Zato postoji biblioteka Ncurses koja je valjda deo GNU C/C++, ili mozda i poseban proizvod a malo je povelika da bi se slala mail-om. Najbolje je da je pokupite sa neke masine pod Linux-om gde je instaliran i GNU, a to je valjda na svakoj masini jer je ne- zamislivo imati unix bez C kompajlera. -- Djole ( ddjokic@fon.fon.bg.ac.yu )
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From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:03:04 GMT Dragisa N. Duric pise: >> E glisho, potrazi COMMERCIAL u naslovima poruka u comp.os.linux.announce... >> zatim pogledaj neki info o IBCS... >> pa o ELF... Ehhh... ma zato i pitam jer me mrzi da sve to gledam. Sta ima i za koje se pare prodaje, gde ima da se kupi, etc... Meni je malo cudno da neko pravi komercijalni softver za Linux koji ima milion++ verzija i tako to... ustvari, ima li neke standardizovane linije Linux-a (mislim na verzije) koje zauzimaju znacajniji deo instalacija? Ili se radi sareno? >> pa obrisi SCO... :) Naravno, vec razmisljam da obrisem SCO i MS-DOS (Windows poodavno ne vozim) tako sto cu prosto da prodam racunar. Nema efikasnijeg resenja. Vise me boli glava od ovakvog racunarstva gde se sve menja za mesec dana... dosli smo u situaciju da instalacije, reinstalacije, pecovanja, podesavanja, prosirivanje, apgrejdovanje i ostale stvari uzimaju 25h dnevno. Ne moze covek da zivi od korisnika koji stalno hoce nesto najnovije. Samo da je najnovije, nista drugo nije vazno... moze da bude i sporo i lose projektovano i nesigurno ali samo da bude sareno i nema da boli glava. Moze da se proda... strava! :-((( Heh... lepo je rekao moj profesor: dobar korisnik je mrtav korisnik! Skrenuh malo sa teme, ali evo return &tema; >> UBR, koliko je meni poznato, kod nas se do SCO softvera dolazi na >> gorepomenuti nacin, or se varam? :) Naravno, a kako bi drugacije? O:-) (i od kojih para???) :-)
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From: malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu (Miroslav Hristodulo) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:37:11 GMT glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu : >> Ehhh... ma zato i pitam jer me mrzi da sve to gledam. Sta ima i za koje se >> pare prodaje, gde ima da se kupi, etc... Meni je malo cudno da neko pravi >> komercijalni softver za Linux koji ima milion++ verzija i tako to... ustvari, >> ima li neke standardizovane linije Linux-a (mislim na verzije) koje zauzimaju >> znacajniji deo instalacija? Ili se radi sareno? Kakve veze imaju "milion++ verzija" sa razvojem aplikacija. Vec sa nekom 0.99 verzijom kernela (od pre par godina) sve stavri oko Linuxa su standardizovane. Vecina aplikacija ne zahteva neku noviju verziju kernela, pa je verovatnoca velika da ih vecina korisnika i poseduje. Izuzetak su nekolicina aplikacija za koje se resenje problema svodi na rekompajliranje novog kernela sto je maciji kasalj, :-) Ocigledno je da ne poznajes problematiku, zato nemoj da te mrzi, nego prosvrljaj malo po comp.os.linux.* hijerarhiji... A inace, SCO sucks, stinks & ostalo @ hell, :-)) -- malisha@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu ( Miroslav R. Hristodulo )
unix.804 spantic, -> #783, postmast
> From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin) > Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux? Kanda ne pratiš najave? Imaš veliki broj komercijalnih i SHW proizvoda. Linux je veliko tržište :)
unix.805 spantic, -> #798, postmast
> From: anubis@hobbiton.CO.YU (Igor Loncarevic) Kako bi bilo da se ovakva prebacivanja više ne vrše? Razumem ja artikal ili dva kao ilustracija, ali ovo je već previše. Ja redovno pratim linux grupe, ne moram dva puta da ih prenosim.
unix.806 novim, -> #805, spantic
" Razumem ja artikal ili dva kao ilustracija, ali ovo je " već previše. Ja redovno pratim linux grupe, ne moram " dva puta da ih prenosim. 1. Ne prate svi, niti imaju mogućnosti. 2. Poslate informacije su veoma korisne. 3. Neka samo šalje i dalje...
unix.807 postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 06:24:22 GMT Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote: -> Dragisa N. Duric pise: -> >> E glisho, potrazi COMMERCIAL u naslovima poruka u comp.os.linux.announce... -> >> zatim pogledaj neki info o IBCS... -> >> pa o ELF... -> Ehhh... ma zato i pitam jer me mrzi da sve to gledam. Sta ima i za koje se -> pare prodaje, gde ima da se kupi, etc... Meni je malo cudno da neko pravi -> komercijalni softver za Linux koji ima milion++ verzija i tako to... ustvari, -> ima li neke standardizovane linije Linux-a (mislim na verzije) koje zauzimaju -> znacajniji deo instalacija? Ili se radi sareno? Svu silnu zbrku oko tih 'milion++' verzija su i podigli loäe informisani ljudi. Üinjenica je da najviäe verzija ima u development granama (1.nepar.*) a da su stabilne grane (1.par.*) u stvari ono äto korisnik koga ne zanima sam razvoj kernela treba da gleda/raüuna u verzije. Üinjenica je i da u development granama ima dobrih kernela, ali one su u prvom redu za ljude koji znaju äta rade i koji troäe malo viäe energije na praćenje svega äto se deäava oko Linuxa.
unix.808 smarkov, -> #783, postmast
> Uzgred, ima li jos neki komercijalni proizvod za Linux? Naravno, sve Motif distribucije su komercijalne, ima nekoliko DBMS sistema (Just Logic SQL koristim u firmi), BRU, Crisp editor ... i još mnogo toga.
unix.809 varsic,
Kako se zove i ko je autor najbolje knjige za ucenje UNIX-a na srpskom jeziku ? Pozdrav ! Vlada
unix.810 postmast,
From: glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu (Ivan Glisin) Subject: Re: Odgovor na pitanje postoje li komercijale za linux Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:35:12 GMT Igor Loncarevic pise: >> Ovo bese odgovor na glisino pitanje :), malo opsirniji ali >> zato i malo korisniji.. Hvala, pogiboh citajuci. Mada, sve mi to lici na ona stara dobra vremena kada je Atari ST bio u modi i kada su na isti nacin pravljeni "takozvani" komercijalni paketi za 20-50DM za koje niko nije davao nikakvu podrsku niti garantovao bilo sta, cak ni pisanu dokumentaciju a o seminarima u organizaciji firme koja nudi paket da i ne govorimo. To je dobro ovde za nas koji mozemo da sedimo i da danima i nedeljama provaljujemo kako da uradimo ovo ili ono, ali na zapadu je imperativ da proizvodjac organizuje kurseve za kupce i da im pomogne da hardver/softver stave u pogon za nekoliko dana. Ne moze da stoji jedna banka, berza ili fabrika automobila deset dana zato sto neko treba da provali kako da potera novonabavljeni softver. Zato se po americi i kupuje kod IBM-a, Digitala, SCO-a... a ne skidaju se paketi sa mreze. To moze za neke apoteke, samousluge i benzinske pumpe, ali za nesto ozbiljnije tesko. I moze u Jugoslaviji gde nam je trziste i industrija takva da racunari skoro da nisu ni potrebni pa nam onda nije problem da gubimo vreme stalno instalirajuci nove verzije svega i svacega i da se onda ponovo i ponovo i ponovo navikavamo na sve iz pocetka, etc... Ovo nema veze sa Linux-om nego sa nasom "kid's computing" filozofijom. Ako se ne varam i ovde za CRiSP pise isto (ili za nesto drugo) pod tackom RESTRICTIONS. Ja sam to tumacio ovako: kupis za male pare pa ako se pokaze da je dobro - super, a ako ne onda niko ne garantuje podrsku, sto i nije vazno jer su u pitanju i tako bile male pare :-))) Doduse, onaj Spread Sheet je izgleda neka solidna tvorevina?
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From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: Odgovor na pitanje postoje li komercijale za linux Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:04:36 GMT Ivan Glisin (glisin@orao.etf.bg.ac.yu) wrote: -> Igor Loncarevic pise: -> >> Ovo bese odgovor na glisino pitanje :), malo opsirniji ali -> >> zato i malo korisniji.. -> Hvala, pogiboh citajuci. Mada, sve mi to lici na ona stara dobra -> vremena kada je Atari ST bio u modi i kada su na isti nacin -> pravljeni "takozvani" komercijalni paketi za 20-50DM za koje ATARI vs. PC, ne, ne opet... Kiselo grozdje ovaj Linux, zar ne? -> provali kako da potera novonabavljeni softver. Zato se po -> americi i kupuje kod IBM-a, Digitala, SCO-a... a ne skidaju -> se paketi sa mreze. To moze za neke apoteke, samousluge i Uvijek ima takvih, ali je uvijek bilo i bice onih koji cijene slobodu softvera. Pogotovu ako je taj slobodni softver za vise redova velicine bolji od onoga koji nije slobodan. -> Ovo nema veze sa Linux-om nego sa nasom "kid's computing" -> filozofijom. Vasa kid's computing filosofija je vjerovatno nesto o cemu bi se dalo nasiroko diskutovati, pa izvolite...
unix.812 novim, -> #811, postmast
" From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) " Kiselo grozdje ovaj Linux, zar ne? Aha. Samo sazreva, polako. :)) - Eh, još da nam je neki Word ili WP za X win... Ima li nešto što se ne može s Linuxom? (Osim da se instalira ma IBM-ov MCA...)
unix.813 postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic) Subject: Re: unix Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 04:21:50 GMT Novica Milic (novim@sezam.UUCP) wrote: : 2. U izgledu je (prema vestima iz jednog OS/2 casopisa) da ce se : ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2, : kao jedna od njegovih sesija (neobicno zvuci, ali eto...) Kakva glupost.. Sta je sledece ?? VMS za PC-a (ili OS/2) ??? :-))))))))
unix.814 postmast,
From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 04:27:22 GMT Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote: : Üinjenica je i da u development granama ima dobrih kernela, ali one su u : prvom redu za ljude koji znaju äta rade i koji troäe malo viäe energije na : praćenje svega äto se deäava oko Linuxa. Kako da pratim sta se sve dogadja ?? I cem sluzi ona Kernel Hacking opcija pri configurisanju ??
unix.815 postmast,
From: dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU (Dragisa N. Duric) Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Mathematica for Linux Now Available Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:26:14 GMT Zeljko Stevanovic (zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu) wrote: -> Dragisa N. Duric (dragisha@hobbiton.CO.YU) wrote: -> : Üinjenica je i da u development granama ima dobrih kernela, ali one su u -> : prvom redu za ljude koji znaju äta rade i koji troäe malo viäe energije na -> : praćenje svega äto se deäava oko Linuxa. -> Kako da pratim sta se sve dogadja ?? -> I cem sluzi ona Kernel Hacking opcija pri configurisanju ?? Pa, preko linux-kernel mailing liste :), iste ima na hobbitonu, i kad ja navatam vremena, bice i u ho.linux.kernel. Nema hacking opcije, postoji opcija za profiling.
unix.816 novim, -> #813, postmast
" From: zsteva@magic.hobbiton.co.yu (Zeljko Stevanovic) " : ostvariti i veza Linuxa i OS/2, tako da se Linux potera _pod_ OS/2, " Kakva glupost.. " Sta je sledece ?? VMS za PC-a (ili OS/2) ??? Šta pa ima loše u povezivanju oper. sistema ili u njihovoj interakciji??? Pa u tom se pravcu već krenulo, na raznim stranama.
unix.817 postmast,
From: alekm@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU (Aleksandar Markovic) Subject: cancel <1995Aug10.175501.1913@sunrise.hobbiton.CO.YU> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 17:55:33 GMT Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]