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Messages - word.perfect

word.perfect.1 dveselinovic,
Dakle, ovde smo sada preselili temu najboljeg tekst procesora ikada napisanog! Divan je, mada ga ZkZk nije napisao lično, ali ipak je divan. Ma koja Ventura .... DVV P.S. Ovo tek toliko da se rasplamsa diskusija. :))))))))
word.perfect.2 ppekovic, -> #1, dveselinovic
>>P.S. Ovo tek toliko da se rasplamsa diskusija. :)))))))) Sačekaj bar par dana da conf. bude read-write a ne kao sad read-only! ;) Paya
word.perfect.3 djnsnd,
Stampac STAR LC-10 se u USA oznacava sa NX-1000. WP u svom spisku drajvera za stamapace ima dve verzije ovog stampaca. Ipak, ni sa jednom se ne dobije ispravan ispis. Srecna okolnost je sto je STAR LC 10 kompatibilan sa EPSON LX 800 (i jos nekim stampacima), pa vecina korisnika ovako resava problem. Da li neko zna sta je razlog za ovakvo ponasanje i da li se nesto moze uciniti da se problem resi ? (Stampac je kompatibilan, ali nije istovetan). Hvala. Djn
word.perfect.4 dveselinovic, -> #3, djnsnd
Pa, to igranje sa nazivima modela često za sobom povlači i neke izmene u BIOS-u štampača. Viđao sam slučajeve kada su BIOS-i istih štampača za američko i evropsko tržište zaista različiti, iako su od istog proizvođača i čak sa istim nazivom (Epson). Ne bih da te obeshrabrim, ali možda se tu ne može učiniti bilo šta; sem naravno malo eksperimentisanja. U svakom slučaju, da bi ti iko odgovorio merodavno, morao bi da ima na raspolaganju taj tvoj štampač, pa da i sam proba. DVV
word.perfect.5 dmiric,
Hi! Jel neko radio štampanje nalepnica iz WP-a. I mogu li se one kupiti kod nas? (mislim na nalepnice za sa perforacijom) Thanx, (md)
word.perfect.6 dejanr, -> #5, dmiric
>> Jel neko radio štampanje nalepnica iz WP-a. I mogu li se one kupiti kod >> nas? (mislim na nalepnice za sa perforacijom) Nekad je moglo, valjda može i sad. Samo, kad ih kupiš brzo ih potroši, jer kvalitet i nije neki pa kad se lepak osuši... uh, posle nikad očistiti štampač.
word.perfect.7 zkehler, -> #5, dmiric
Ŕ Jel neko radio štampanje nalepnica iz WP-a. I mogu li se one kupiti kod Ŕ nas? (mislim na nalepnice za sa perforacijom) Znate li da li mogu kod nas da se kupe nalepnice za štampanje na laserskim štampačima? ZK
word.perfect.8 ppekovic, -> #5, dmiric
>> Jel neko radio štampanje nalepnica iz WP-a. I mogu li se one kupiti kod nas? >> (mislim na nalepnice za sa perforacijom) Ja sam se naštampao tih nalepnica i nsam imao nikavih problema. Jedino što moraš da paziš je da su sve nalepnice lepo zalepljene tj. da nemaju "uši" jer ponekad oće da se zalepe za traktor mehanizam. Ovog papira možeš da nađeš i u nas. Obično ga je bilo u knjižarama "Šumadije" i "Savremene administracije". Nije jeftin. Paya
word.perfect.9 dmiric, -> #8, ppekovic
> Ovog papira možeš da nađeš i u nas. Obično ga je bilo u > knjižarama "Šumadije" i "Savremene administracije". Nije > jeftin. OK, potražiću ovih dana, pa ću javiti rezultate... Thanx tebi i dejanuR. (md)
word.perfect.10 predrag, -> #7, zkehler
>> Znate li da li mogu kod nas da se kupe nalepnice za >> stampanje na laserskim stampacima? Ja sam svojevremeno jurio te nalepnice ali ih nisam nasao. Svojevremeno je hromos na zelenom vencu prodavao papir velikog formata(za nalepnice).Ali posto je bilo iz uvoza brzo je nestalo.Imali su neke floroscentne boje,prava fantazija. Jedan moj drug mi je bio dao parcice i moglo je bez problema da se stampa na laseru(nije bio preterano debeo) Mene muci drugi problem.Imam hp III i U GRADU SAM POKUPOVAO SVE MOGUCE KOVERTE.ALi pri stampanju uvek pri kraju mi se koverat nabere i zguzva.Izgleda da koverte (gornja i donja strana) nisu jednake pa kada se naelektrisu i slepe i prodju kroz valjak onda se naboraju na samom kraju I TO NA JEDNOM COSKU. Zna li neko lek ili neke dobra koverte. pp od:P
word.perfect.11 djnsnd,
─Da li neko zna zasto mi WP, od kako sam instalirao Dos 5.0, Salje, prilikom ucitavanja, ovakvu poruku: ERROR: Incorrect Format or File not found -- WP0437.WCP Koristim ga normalno i posle te greske. Nisam prometio razlike u radu. Hvala.
word.perfect.12 dejanr, -> #11, djnsnd
Jako čudna poruka. Koju verziju koristiš i od kog datuma (dobijaš pritiskom na F3)?
word.perfect.13 ppekovic, -> #11, djnsnd
>> ─Da li neko zna zasto mi WP, od kako sam instalirao Dos 5.0, >> Salje, prilikom ucitavanja, ovakvu poruku: >> >> ERROR: Incorrect Format or File not found -- WP0437.WCP >> >> Koristim ga normalno i posle te greske. Nisam prometio razlike u >> radu. Pogledao sam po mojim WP dir-ovima i ovakav fajl ne postoji. žak ne postoji niti jedan sa takvom ekstenzijom. Da bi ti pomogli, moraš reći nešto više, a to je: Koju verziju WP-a koristiš? Da li u tvojim WP dir-ovima postoji gore pomenuti fajl? Paya
word.perfect.14 zstevan,
HI! Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne stranice. ZS
word.perfect.15 squsovac, -> #14, zstevan
> Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne stranice. WP, koliko ja znam nema tu mogućnost direktno. Medjutim, u WP-u imaš jako fin jezik za pravljenje macroa. Ja bih to rešio tako što bih jednostavno napravio macro koji bi skakao na svaku drugu stranu i štampao je. Ovo je ok rešenje za matrične printere, madjutim, ukoliko radiš sa DL fontovima onda je to malo bez veze jer će ti onda WP stalno dl-ovati fontove, medjutim moguće je napraviti macro koji će svaku drugu stranu jednostavno premeštati u doc 2, obeležavati strane i kasnije štampati svaki doc posebno.
word.perfect.16 kvelkovski, -> #14, zstevan
>> Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne stranice. Ja onako po secanju : u WP5.1 uvedena je i ta opcija, pa kod izbora opsega stampanja umesto All treba odabrati Odd, odnosno Even. Kupe P.S. Ja sam veoma malo koristio WP, pa nije naodmet da pitas nekog iskusnijeg.
word.perfect.17 darone, -> #14, zstevan
>> Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne >> stranice. Pa što ne napraviš makro? darone
word.perfect.19 zstevan, -> #16, kvelkovski
> Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne stranice. >> pa kod izbora opsega stampanja umesto All treba odabrati Odd, odnosno Even. I meni je to prvo palo napamet ali ne radi.Moracu da uradim makroe kao sto mi je i squsovac predlozio.
word.perfect.20 zstevan, -> #17, darone
>> Pa sto ne napravis makro? Tja, mislio sam da moze i bez njega.Napravicu. zs
word.perfect.21 dejanr, -> #15, squsovac
>> > Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne stranice. >> >> WP, koliko ja znam nema tu mogućnost direktno. žini mi se da ima (WP51) i da se vidi u običnom print meniju... Proveriću.
word.perfect.22 vule, -> #10, predrag
> Mene muci drugi problem.Imam hp III i U GRADU SAM POKUPOVAO > SVE MOGUCE KOVERTE.ALi pri stampanju uvek pri kraju > mi se koverat nabere i zguzva.Izgleda da koverte (gornja i donja > strana) nisu jednake pa kada se naelektrisu i slepe i prodju kroz valjak > onda se naboraju na samom kraju I TO NA JEDNOM COSKU. > Zna li neko lek ili neke dobra koverte. Isti problem. Dobro, nije baš problem, ali nervira. Ako neko valja avijonske koverte Američkog (xexe) formata, nek javi! DV
word.perfect.23 kvelkovski, -> #19, zstevan
>>>> Kako se u WP51 stampaju samo parne ili neparne stranice. >>>> pa kod izbora opsega stampanja umesto All treba odabrati Odd, odnosno >> Even. >> >> I meni je to prvo palo napamet ali ne radi.Moracu da uradim makroe >> kao sto mi je i squsovac predlozio. Marfi me je napustio : u *prvom* PC Magazine-u koji sam otvorio bilo je resenje za tvoj problem. Kao sto sam vec rekao WP5.1 *IMA* tu opciju, citiram : "The Document on Disk option under the Print menu prompts you for the pages. The latest version of the program (misli se na WP 5.1) lets you enter O for all odd pages and E for all even pages. You can use these options even if you have a preface paginated with Roman numerals or if each chapter begins numbering its pages with 1". Kupe P.S. PC Magazine November 27, 1990, pg 496. P.P.S. Ako kojim slucajem imas WP 5.0 u gorepomenutom clanku imas i makro za tu namenu.
word.perfect.24 dmiric, -> #23, kvelkovski
> citiram : "The Document on Disk option under the Print > menu prompts you for the pages. The latest version of the > program (misli se na WP 5.1) lets you enter O for all odd > pages and E for all even pages. You can use these options > even if you have a preface paginated with Roman numerals > or if each chapter begins numbering its pages with 1". > Koliko se ja sećam, par puta sam pokušavao to i ... ništa. On zavrti disk i ne odštampa baš ništa ??? I probao sam razne stvari sa numeracijom i nikad nije radilo... Ako je neko u praksi uspeo neka se javi... (md)
word.perfect.25 bcetina,
Ima li neko, ako uopste postoji drajver za wp51 za portabl printer KODAK DICONIX 150+. Ili bar ca CW ako nema za WP. Hvala.
word.perfect.26 nesavic,
Pozdrav, ako neko ima SOFTVERSKO emuliranje naših slova za ovaj program bio bih mu veoma zahvalan kada bi ih sputio ovde! Thanx, NeŠa!
word.perfect.27 dejanr, -> #26, nesavic
Ne treba ti nikakav program. Ako imaš EGA/VGA izaberi font EGA512 i imaš YU slova, naravno ne po YUSCII-ju nego po WP setu znakova. Ako imaš hercules, nema pomoći.
word.perfect.28 darone, -> #26, nesavic
>> ako neko ima SOFTVERSKO emuliranje nasih slova za ovaj >> program bio bih mu veoma zahvalan kada bi ih sputio >> ovde! WordPerfect ima u svom imternom setu i nasa slova :) Uz poruku ti saljem makro koji se ovako koristi: ucitas tekst (u yuskiju), startujes makro, on ti sve fino prebaci u svoj interni kod i gotovo. Ekranski fontovi ne postoje :( darone p.s. makro je pravio dmiric. ako nemas yuscii raspored, obrati se na kod njega za ostale. cijena? prava sitnica ;) yusci2wp.wpm
word.perfect.29 dmiric, -> #28, darone
> p.s. makro je pravio dmiric. ako nemas yuscii raspored, > obrati se na kod njega za ostale. cijena? prava > sitnica ;) Pošto si me prozvao, da se umešam :))) >>> ako neko ima SOFTVERSKO emuliranje nasih slova za ovaj >>> program bio bih mu veoma zahvalan kada bi ih sputio >>> ovde! Pitanje za nesavica. Šta znači to SOFTVERSKO emuliranje slova. Pazi ovako WP ima u sebi ugrađena naša slova, ko što rekoše dejanr i darone. Međutim on ih kodira na neki svoj interni način, po svoj prilici sa više od 8 bita po slovu jer ih ima sigurno više od 255. Ako te baš zanima koja sve postoje pogledaj CHARACTER.DOC ili nešto slično, isporučuje se zajedno sa WP. Tu ti je spisak svih slova... E sad naravno kad uneseš tekst pod bilo kojim kodnim standardom u WP, vidiš kuke i motike, jer jednostavno WP njih ne premapira da bi koristio ostala slova, Zato ti je potreban, makro koji vrši konverziju... E sad tu ima problem što, ako je tekst duži to ide dozlaboga sporo. Eventualno ubrzanje značilo da se provali format WP dokumenata,... ali ko će se time mlatiti. Makro koristi obične Find/Replace sekvence. Inače možeš ga prepraviti za bilo koji standard na sledeći način ctrl-f10, <ime> ,E(dit), pa se zamajavaš. Inače ja ovde imam još par makroa, jedan pokriva MM standard (e sad dal' je MM ili Latin 2, bog će ga znati, UYU kaže da je MM, a sezam da je Latin 2) a mene lično i nije briga... Uzgred tu je i makro koji pretvara latinicu u ćirilicu (PAčNJA: Ovo se može koristiti samo uz poseban drajver koji je u PC.SOFT:word.perfect ostavio bjirecek, pa se onda latinica sa ekrana štampa kao ćirilica na štampaču...) Dakle, ova ćirilica se na ekranu *ne vidi*. Eto, pa ako je nekom potrebno išta od ovog... što reko darko, cena je sitnica = ceni veze sa sezamom... :)))) (md)
word.perfect.30 nesavic, -> #29, dmiric
Pozdrav, i hvala na ovom makrou probaću pa šta mi bog da... A što se tiče softverskog emuliranja zaboravi, kao da nisam ni rekao... Još jednom hvala, NeŠa!
word.perfect.31 bulaja,
Misli da mnogi od vas ne prate NOVOSTI:microb, pa evo prenosim znacajnu vest oodatle (cela poruka je u NOVOSTI:4.1280): Í─── ║TITLE: WordPerfect for Windows To Ship At Last ║(...) ║WordPerfect for Windows offers many typical Windows features, ║including a customizable button bar, Dynamic Data Exchange, and ║a ruler that you can turn on and off. Unusual features include ║menu-definable table creation, graphic image view and rotation, ║and manual kerning. The program lets you do near-desktop ║publishing-quality page layout, with ruler-based controls for ║column width and justification, word wrapping around frames, ║and TIFF and other file format import capabilities. Ë───
word.perfect.32 spantic, -> #31, bulaja
> Misli da mnogi od vas ne prate NOVOSTI:microb, pa evo > prenosim znacajnu vest oodatle (cela poruka je u > NOVOSTI:4.1280): Pored živog (hvala na pitanju ;) WINWORDa, pa još novog 2.0 spominjati WP? Užas ;)
word.perfect.33 zkehler, -> #32, spantic
Ŕ Pored živog (hvala na pitanju ;) WINWORDa, pa još novog 2.0 Ŕ spominjati WP? Jesi li ga video negde u prodaji, odnosno cenu u oglasima? Ja sam pasionirani korisnik WinWorda. ZK
word.perfect.34 spantic, -> #33, zkehler
> Ŕ Pored živog (hvala na pitanju ;) WINWORDa, pa još novog > 2.0 Ŕ spominjati WP? > > Jesi li ga video negde u prodaji, odnosno cenu u oglasima? > Ja sam pasionirani korisnik WinWorda. Na žalost još nisam. I mene zanima i nadam se da će brzo stići (legalno) i ovde. Ima li nas još koji smo korisnici NAJBOLJEG programa (ala čačkam mečku ;) pa da tražimo jasno i glasno našu temu. Na primer, hajdemo sa problemom naših slova i onih nedotupavih fontova za njih. Inače ima raznoraznih fontova za Windows na serverima. Imamo u RCu ETF negde goticu ;).
word.perfect.35 dejanr, -> #34, spantic
>> Ima li nas još koji smo korisnici NAJBOLJEG programa (ala čačkam mečku ;) >> pa da tražimo jasno i glasno našu temu. Pa zar nema tema ms.word?
word.perfect.36 zkehler, -> #34, spantic
Ŕ Na primer, hajdemo sa problemom naših slova i onih nedotupavih Ŕ fontova za njih. Inače ima raznoraznih fontova za Windows na Ŕ serverima. Imamo u RCu ETF negde goticu ;). Imam dosta fontova za Windows, i to za Hercules, VGA i SuperVGA, matrične i laserske štampače. Nešto dajem na poklon, a za drugo - poseti me na poslu ;) ZK
word.perfect.37 zkehler, -> #35, dejanr
Ŕ Pa zar nema tema ms.word? Ima, ali nije to TAJ Word ;) ZK
word.perfect.38 ivujanic, -> #33, zkehler
╠ Jesi li ga video negde u prodaji, odnosno cenu u oglasima? Ja sam ╠ pasionirani korisnik WinWorda. Ja negde videh cenu, i čini mi se da je oko $400?! Ivica
word.perfect.39 mkehler, -> #34, spantic
▄▀ Ima li nas još koji smo korisnici NAJBOLJEG programa (ala ▄▀ čačkam mečku ;) pa da tražimo jasno i glasno našu temu. Ima, ima. Da l' je najbolji, ne smem da tvrdim, nisam probao sve ostale, ali dovoljno je i to što sam posle proba na winword-u ostao ;). Još nije bilo slučaja da mi nešto padne na pmaet, a da sa njim nije moglo lako, elegantno, brzo, efektno i jednostavno da se uradi. P.S. Al' ga ishvalih, a? :))
word.perfect.40 spantic, -> #39, mkehler
> P.S. Al' ga ishvalih, a? :)) Samo si bio objektivan :)
word.perfect.41 dejanr,
Evo nekoliko prvih utisaka sa BIX-a o WordPerfect for Windows (zovu ga WP4WIN :) ========== word.processor/wordperf #750, from hrettig, 225 chars, Tue Nov 26 14:42:41 1991 Comment(s). ---------- TITLE: UAEs Is anyone else experiencing uae's with wordperf for windows? I wasn't getting uae's at all until I installed the program, now get them frequently while I'm running it. This is on a 386/33 with 8 Mb RAM. Hillary ========== word.processor/wordperf #751, from etrumbo, 175 chars, Tue Nov 26 19:36:01 1991 Comment to 750. Comment(s). More refs to 750. ---------- I was getting UAE's trying to convert 5.1 DOS macros on my machine at first. It hasn't occured recently, and I've sucessfully converted a few since those first attempts. Ed. ========== word.processor/wordperf #752, from rdoherty, 482 chars, Tue Nov 26 20:09:43 1991 Comment to 751. Comment(s). ---------- The place where I got WP4WIN bundled the Bitstream Facelift package with the upgrade, and that caused UAE's everytime I attempted to print with the Windows driver. Other that that, the package seems pretty stable on my machine (Gateway 2000 386SX/16 -- AMI BIOS). It is rather slow however. Bob. PS Grammatik was also bundled (for a small price) and the macro to invoke Grammatik from within WP4WIN causes a UAE everytime. Works fine outside WP however. ========== word.processor/wordperf #753, from rvannatta, 379 chars, Tue Nov 26 22:25:18 1991 Comment to 750. Comment(s). More refs to 750. ---------- my spies tell lme that UAE's are a Windows 'feature' as a result of in inherent instability of design. Not until there is a full protected mode OS will you expect such things to be unusual events. The IBM claim of running WIN better than WIN with their upcoming OS/2 product is in part based on this problem (and the claim that OS/2 will be an inherently more stable platform. ========== word.processor/wordperf #754, from tonytass, 429 chars, Tue Nov 26 22:26:41 1991 Comment to 752. Comment(s). ---------- I haven't gotten my hands on a copy yet. Not for lack of trying, I might add. I've seen a bunch of messages now about UAE's and slowness. I still only have a 286 with 4Megs so slowness might be a real problem. So, what is slow with this package? Are the UAE's random or repeatable? I'm amazed! How could they have released the product if it has *real* problems? Is anybody happy with it? Please, someone like it! :-) TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #755, from tonytass, 288 chars, Tue Nov 26 22:30:54 1991 Comment to 753. More refs to 753. ---------- You must be spending time over at the OS/2 conference! :) Yes, it's true but there are many Win 3 products which don't as a rule issue lots of UAE. These are very mature products like Pagemaker and CorelDraw. CorelDraw does have it's share of bugs but doesn't issue UAE's. YMMV. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #756, from hrettig, 67 chars, Tue Nov 26 23:20:04 1991 Comment to 753. More refs to 753. ---------- yes but I don't get uae's at all unless I'm running WPfW. Hillary ========== word.processor/wordperf #757, from etrumbo, 401 chars, Wed Nov 27 19:23:04 1991 Comment to 754. Comment(s). ---------- Tony, I'm running it on a 286/16 with 5Megs, and while it's not up to the speed of the DOS version (big suprise, right? :) ), I find it acceptable. I do most of my editing in the Draft mode, then switch to graphics for final tweaking. So far, I've not had any problems except for a few UAE's the first times I tried Macro Convert. It's worked well since. BTW, I like it better than MS Word... Ed. ========== word.processor/wordperf #758, from hrettig, 136 chars, Wed Nov 27 19:39:12 1991 Comment to 757. Comment(s). ---------- How do you change the colors in draft mode. I'm getting white type on dark blue background. Hillary (who hasn't yet had time to rtfm) ========== word.processor/wordperf #759, from etrumbo, 97 chars, Wed Nov 27 20:28:30 1991 Comment to 758. ---------- Hillary, it's under "File","Preferences","Display". There's a button for Draft Mode Colors. Ed. ========== word.processor/wordperf #760, from wheelock, 738 chars, Wed Nov 27 23:37:50 1991 Comment to 750. Comment(s). ---------- Although I haven't obtained WP for Windows yet, I've had a couple of Windows applications that produced a lot of UAEs during the first two weeks after installation, and then tapered off to one or two a month after that. It seems that some Windows programs appear to acclimatize themselves with a little time and behave properly after that. This was discussed in the 'ibm.windows' conference, but I don't recall that anyone came up with an explanation for why this happens. If WP for Windows wasn't shipped with serious bugs, you may find it becoming stable in after a couple of weeks. Please keep us advised-- there are many here, I'm sure, who are considerably interested in hearing about the program's reliability. ========== word.processor/wordperf #761, from wheelock, 664 chars, Wed Nov 27 23:37:57 1991 Comment to 753. ---------- It sounds to me like your spies are showing off a certain amount of anti-Windows bias. I've been using Windows 3.0 since it began shipping, and UAEs are a very rare occurrence except in a couple of cases, when I got a lot for a short time after installing a new application (UNICOM 3.0, notably). Windows is a lot more stable than its critics would have people believe, which would explain its widespread use and the huge number of developers willing to develop applications for it (one could hardly pass a booth at COMDEX that wasn't showing Windows applications). If WP for Windows turns out to be persistent unstable, the fault is with WP. ========== word.processor/wordperf #762, from tfreeman, 562 chars, Thu Nov 28 00:16:56 1991 Comment to 760. Comment(s). ---------- [From wheelock #760] I'm not a Windows user, but what you describe sounds like a learning curve. Perhaps not a concious learning curve, but learning never the less. (I'm suggesting that you learn to do-se-do around the troubles, but the learning never becomes concious.) Although primarily a PC user, I still find it incredible that we consider 1 or 2 UAE's a month acceptable. The failure of an application should not endanger the stability of the operating environment. (Ok, flame off, 'cause this is not the right place for it. sorry, sortof) TMF ========== word.processor/wordperf #763, from wheelock, 1047 chars, Thu Nov 28 03:48:27 1991 Comment to 762. Comment(s). ---------- Well, I've been in the computer business for a few years (19 years, almost 12 with PCs), so I manage to keep pretty good track of what I do. The kinds of things that caused the UAEs I had were things one can't avoid doing (like File Open or Minimize). I know what changed and what didn't, both in use and in my environment. Some of the INI files involved have been updated a few times--but not by me (the only user of this computer). All I can presume in my case is that enough of the right changes made their way into the files to solve the problems. As to what we find acceptable--it has been my experience that all operating systems and all software on all platforms suffer occasional failures. UNIX, VM/CMS, CP/M, MS-DOS, Windows, DESQView, OS/2-- they all crash periodically. I don't expect this to change when the new OS/2 is released and I don't expect it to change when Windows 3.1 arrives. I didn't expect WP for Windows to be crash-proof, any more than I expect it to set a world record for crash frequency. ========== word.processor/wordperf #764, from tholaday, 540 chars, Thu Nov 28 11:58:25 1991 ---------- TITLE: WPWin File Manager Eats Resources I'm running a super speedy 486 machine with 8 MB of ram and a 26 MB disk swapfile for windows. If I open BeckerTools, Starlite ScreenSaver, WPWin, and the WPWin File Manager, I use up so much "system resources" that I can't even open Program Manager About. One of the Windows developers told me that every Windows application is sharing the same 64 kilobyte "resource" area for things such as requesters, dialogs, and so forth, and the gazillion tons of RAM and virtual RAM don't mean diddly. ========== word.processor/wordperf #765, from tfreeman, 1070 chars, Fri Nov 29 00:07:07 1991 Comment to 763. ---------- [From wheelock #763] My own experience is less generous, and yet... (If others will excuse me please.) I started out with TOPS-10, with computer science types _trying_ to crash the system while I was trying to learn statistics. About half the time, I got my work in progress back after a system crash caused by the other students (same thing was true while writing the disertation later). Later, I worked with TSX and RSX (on PDP-11's) while working with CP/M at home. In three years, the RSX system crashed twice, and the TSX system perhaps once. In both of those systems, we also crashed applications (about once a month if memory serves), but the OS remained stable to work on in those cases. (Note: I am not counting system crashes due to loss of power, I have never had the pleasure of working on a system with a UPS) I guess what bothers me is that our "modern", "cutting edge" technology has, apparently, lost the idea of failing gracefully. It can be done, it has been done, and I would like to have the ability to fail gracefully back again. TMF ========== word.processor/wordperf #766, from wobrien, 468 chars, Sun Dec 1 15:38:31 1991 Comment(s). ---------- TITLE: Help with index I'm not a wordperfect user, at least not very often but someone asked me how to do something that I found fairly easy to do with other word processors, wordstar and wfw but can't figure out with WP. I want to create an index for an entire document. I don't want to mark each word I just want it to index every word. Can someone suggest how to do this or point me to a book that gives a clear\ explanation of how to do it. Thanks in advance. ========== word.processor/wordperf #767, from tholaday, 202 chars, Sun Dec 1 20:13:56 1991 Comment to 766. Comment(s). ---------- Tell the person who asked you to look in his or her WordPerfect Reference manual's index under "concordance." If they don't have the manual, tell them to contact WordPerfect with their license number. ========== word.processor/wordperf #768, from wobrien, 216 chars, Mon Dec 2 06:01:29 1991 Comment to 767. ---------- I guess I didn't explicitly say this I already checked the wordperfect manual and could not find a clear explanation of how to do it. It sounds like you do know how to do it. Is it too complicated to explain here? ========== word.processor/wordperf #769, from tonytass, 930 chars, Mon Dec 2 21:14:56 1991 Comment(s). ---------- TITLE: WP for Win Well, I finally got my upgrade for Windows. I have to admit that I'm a bit overwhelmed by the package. Wow there sure is a lot to it. At first I setup the keyboard for WP-Dos but now I'm thinking I might use the CUA keyboard. The DOS menus seem a bit cluttered and not that logical anymore. Well, I never thought they were all that logical but now they seem worse somehow. What have you other converts chosen for your Keyboard, CUA or DOS-WP? I got my first UAE, right after installation. I choose not to install the WP print drivers since I wanted to use ATM. When the program tried to upgrade the print driver guess what? It couldn't find it, no big surprise since I didn't install it. That gave me the UAE but luckily it didn't take the system with it. I can't use ATM with the WP driver, right? This is going to take longer then I thought it would. I guess I'm going to have to RTFM! TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #770, from tholaday, 436 chars, Tue Dec 3 01:04:02 1991 Comment to 769. More refs to 769. ---------- As to keyboard, I've got "select CUA keyboard" and "select wp.dos keyboard" macros on my button bar. The problem with a Common User Application is that applications don't have all that much in Common. Yeah, Help and Good Riddance can be F1 and alt-F4 everywhere, but Automatic Paragraph Number Insert and Insert Date <code> <text> sure aren't Common enough to have standard keys, so I like being able to stab into wp-dos as needed. / ========== word.processor/wordperf #771, from etrumbo, 278 chars, Tue Dec 3 19:46:37 1991 Comment to 769. Comment(s). More refs to 769. ---------- Tony, I bit the bullet and went straight for the CUA Windows menus. I find them more comprehensible then the covoluted and bizarre WP menus I warped myself into accepting awhile ago. I also use ATM, but have not been able to get the WP drivers to reconize the ATM fonts. Ed. ========== word.processor/wordperf #772, from tonytass, 280 chars, Tue Dec 3 22:43:30 1991 Comment to 771. Comment(s). ---------- After I posted last night, I installed the DOS printer driver and tried to print with ATM active. Your right, I don't work. I really didn't think it would. I think it bothers me that the product looks at first glimpse to be a bit shakey even after the LOOOOOONG delay. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #773, from tonytass, 80 chars, Tue Dec 3 22:45:01 1991 Comment to 772. ---------- It's true "I don't work," but what I meant to say was "it don't work." TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #774, from rhryckiewicz, 576 chars, Wed Dec 4 05:23:09 1991 Comment to 769. Comment(s). ---------- Personally, I have found that the CUA keyboard was not as helpful as I would have thought. It did not take me long to go back to the DOS keyboard, as that was more familiar. I have yet to encounter a UAE with WP4Windows, however, I do not believe that it is as functional as it could be. I mean, not being able to see the full page in edit mode while in 640x480x256 mode. It may have been state of the art when first conceived, but it currently has some drawbacks. I keep going back to the DOS version when I want to do some REAL work. Nice, but!!! regards, Richard ========== word.processor/wordperf #775, from tfreeman, 443 chars, Wed Dec 4 22:26:52 1991 Comment to 774. Comment(s). More refs to 774. ---------- [From rhryckiewicz #774] My father was part of a search committee for an English prof where he used to teach English (now retired). One of the candidates claimed that there was some evidence that the implementation of a GUI (such as Windows or the Mac) _inhibited_ the process of creating text from raw ideas, although the GUI enhanced the process of making raw text look good on paper. Could this be part of what you are seeing? TMF ========== word.processor/wordperf #776, from gary.berg, 331 chars, Wed Dec 4 23:22:21 1991 Comment to 774. Comment(s). ---------- I've got a coupon from WP Corp to buy WP4Win for $59, since I bought WP 5.1 recently. I have to use it within 6 months of Wp4Win release. I figured I'd try to wait as long as possible before buying it, so I might get the first maintenance release. Hopefully, that will be a bit more stable. I don't use WP that heavily, anyway. ========== word.processor/wordperf #777, from tonytass, 946 chars, Thu Dec 5 00:43:05 1991 Comment to 776. Comment(s). ---------- Well, I've been playing with WPWIN a bit, and I'm liking it more and more. I'm not a touch typeist, so the speed hit on my 286 doesn't really bother me too much. Funny, but I haven't had a UAe in two days. This after having about six in the first few hours of use. I'm surprised. I thought they would continue at the same pace. Maybe it does break in and heal itself. The product is very ambitious and deep. I've never used all the features in DOS 5.1, who has? It's much easier, seemingly, to try things and experiment since you can see what your doing. While it is a different animal, it seems familiar somehow. I never felt this way about WinWord. It never seemed to work how I thought it would or should. Does this product have some problems, YES! Will they fix em, I'm sure they will. Will I get a faster machine, I sure hope so! $59 is a great deal for this package. I wouldn't let the coupon lapse. Sorry for the rambling. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #778, from tonytass, 86 chars, Thu Dec 5 00:45:11 1991 ---------- Has anybody ordered the Macro manual for WPWIN? Does anybody know the price? TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #779, from dick_miller, 381 chars, Thu Dec 5 03:52:49 1 991 Comment to 775. Comment(s). More refs to 775. ---------- There were a couple publications about a year ago (by a woman who's asst. director of the composition program [at NC?]) malking that claim. As I recall my initial reaction was that her research methodology was little more that recounting anecdotal data. Others seemed to dr^A read her stuff in the same light. If you need citations, I could wade through files. --- Dick (B- {)}} ========== word.processor/wordperf #780, from tfreeman, 86 chars, Thu Dec 5 21:23:45 1991 Comment to 779. More refs to 779. ---------- [From dick_miller #779] Appreciate your offer, but I will pass for the moment. TMF ========== word.processor/wordperf #781, from gary.berg, 414 chars, Fri Dec 6 22:44:31 1991 Comment to 779. Comment(s). ---------- I believe there were some articles 18 months or so ago about papers written at some university by students who used Macs versus those who used PCs(DOS). Supposedly, the students who used PCs wrote better, more focused papers. One of the big questions never answered was which was cause, and which was effect. Perhaps the students who used poorer, less focused papers tended to be the ones who would pick a Mac. ========== word.processor/wordperf #782, from gary.berg, 754 chars, Fri Dec 6 22:44:52 1991 Comment to 777. Comment(s). ---------- >WP4Win upgrade Well, I have _no_ intention of letting the $59 upgrade coupon lapse. But, I just forked over $200 for BC++ 3.0, I've got a $69 upgrade offer for Alpha IV 2.0, and since I can let WP4Win slide to early '92, I think I will. And, if that means I can slide over to the first maintenance release, so much the better. I guess I can always get the maintenance release for $10 or so, anyway, so it's not so much the cost as the hassle (?) of having to deal with it. Besides, my machine at work (where I print most) doesn't have any where enough disk space on it. I'd hate to run it off a Bernoulli Box all the time. Besides, I've got to figure out how to fly my computer now; I just bought the F117 Stealth Fighter game from MicroProse... ========== word.processor/wordperf #783, from tonytass, 337 chars, Fri Dec 6 23:41:16 1991 Comment to 782. ---------- Another reason why it may not be so bad to wait is the tech support of WP isn't really ready yet for Windows and all it's add ons. I spent about an hour last night with a tech, describing a problem and telling her how to some thongs in Windows and in WinPerfect! The product isn't there yet, but they'll get it right some day. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #784, from wobrien, 121 chars, Sat Dec 7 06:17:21 1991 Comment to 781. Comment(s). More refs to 781. ---------- Probably we'll never be able to say from that study. It was a correlational study and they never show cause and effect. ========== word.processor/wordperf #785, from tfreeman, 583 chars, Sat Dec 7 20:53:10 1991 Comment to 781. ---------- [From gary.berg #781] From my own efforts at literary creation, my guess would go with the students trying to tweak the looks of the essay far too early in the creation process. I base this on the way I seem to work: write, write and revise (until sick of it, not until satisfied), and then toss the whole mess onto the printer. When I start to think about the artistic look of the document, I overload my limited skills. Mind you, my opinion and experience means little or nothing with respect to the general effectiveness of writing in a GUI vs non-GUI environment. TMF ========== word.processor/wordperf #786, from dick_miller, 144 chars, Sun Dec 8 01:01:54 1991 Comment to 784. ---------- Of course, the nature of cause and effect (if there really be any) is a wonderful discussion topic for philosophy/of.science. <hint, hint> B-) ========== word.processor/wordperf #787, from rhryckiewicz, 365 chars, Sun Dec 8 08:07:24 1991 Comment to 775. ---------- This could be part of the problem, although I have only been using WP4WIN for only a short time, I find that the GUI is causing more of a problem than it should be. Possibly the GUI is actually getting in the way of creating ideas as you mentioned. It certainly seems that way. I think that it will take some time before I am completely comfortable with WP4Win.
word.perfect.42 dejanr,
"Bajt lične prirode" vezan za WordPerfect for Windows. Ako hoćete da koristite "stari" drajver za štampač (od WP51), najpre uradite (u WP4WIN) Select printer/Add prs i dodajte ga. Posle toga taj drajver ne radi (?). Onda izađite iz WP-a pa ga običnom COPY komandom prekopirajte u WPWIN direktorijum iz vašeg starog WP51 direktorijuma. Ponovo pokrenite WIN i WP4WIN i... radiće. Inače, prvi utisak je sa neke grafičko/korisničke strane dosta povoljan. Međutim, čim sam počeo da čačkam oko drajvera za printer, počeo je da "puca", imao sam par puta Application error a jednom je čak naprasno izleteo ne u Windows nego čak u DOS (to mi se nikad nije desilo sa nekim WIN programom). No sa ovim COPY je drajver proradio (?)
word.perfect.43 spantic, -> #42, dejanr
> Inače, prvi utisak je sa neke grafičko/korisničke strane > dosta povoljan. Lepo uzmeš Word for Windows 2.0, izabereš opciju "učenje iz WP", dobiješ menije u tom stilu da ti bude lakše i lepo odmah počneš sa onim pravim.
word.perfect.44 dejanr,
========== word.processor/wordperf #794, from dgcook, 394 chars, Mon Dec 23 22:06:00 1991 Comment(s). ---------- So, after using WP for Windows for a while, I have mixed feelings. It is really much more usable than the DOS version, in that features can be implemented much more easily. The problem is that it is slow and buggy. I have never had so many UAE's before. It's really not a question of if I'll crash, but when. But I keep using it for now, and save often. Anybody else have any comments? -Dave ========== word.processor/wordperf #795, from tonytass, 528 chars, Mon Dec 23 23:01:00 1991 Comment to 794. Comment(s). ---------- I really like it. I too feel it is much more useable for things like graphics and tables. I also have had a bunch of UAE's, none in the last week or so. There are lots of annoying things that are too numerous to remember but all in all I really love it. I'l like it even better when I get my next dream machine with, (can you hear me Santa), >8 megs of ram, 486/33 & a video co-processor. With a tool like that I shouldn't notice any slowness or delays. All my Win 3.0 apps would benifit from a machine like that BTW! TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #796, from rgswartz, 41 chars, Tue Dec 24 00:48:01 1991 Comment to 795. More refs to 795. ---------- My main question is, how is it for math? ========== word.processor/wordperf #797, from dgcook, 655 chars, Tue Dec 24 01:29:48 1991 Comment to 795. ---------- Yeah, the ability to manipulate graphics makes using WP for Win a big plus. I am currently writing up my thesis, and I use the equation editor quite a bit. Also, I'm placing graphs into pages with captions. The way you can drag and drop the figures is quite nice. I've been playing around with WfW 2 a bit on one of the 486's at work. It has drag and drop for moving text, and after using it for awhile, you wonder why this hasn't been thought of before. It really is neat. But WfW 2 seems slow too, and it certainly is big (15 MB for full install!). All of a sudden it seems you have to have a supercomputer just to run the latest wordprocessors. -Dave
word.perfect.45 dveselinovic, -> #43, spantic
Šta, ja da trošim fosfor na ekranu za neki Microsoft program (sem DOS-a i Windows-a, a i to dok ne nabavim OS/2)? Pantiću, ti se šališ! DVV
word.perfect.46 spantic, -> #45, dveselinovic
> Pantiću, ti se šališ! Poslaću ti demo (ne treba čak ni Windows) za Wofd for Windows. Ako posle toga ne pređeš na njega...
word.perfect.47 vkrstonosic, -> #46, spantic
>> Poslaću ti demo (ne treba čak ni Windows) za Wofd for Windows. Ako >> posle toga ne pređeš na njega... Poslaću ti demo WP for Windows, pa ako... ;)
word.perfect.48 spantic, -> #47, vkrstonosic
> Poslaću ti demo WP for Windows, pa ako... ;) Xe, xe! Video sam original. Možda, kažem možda, zauzme 2. mesto na listi. Prvi je zna se Word for Windows!
word.perfect.49 dejanr,
========== word.processor/wordperf #805, from hrettig, 419 chars, Fri Dec 27 19:30:24 1991 Comment to 794. Comment(s). ---------- Complete ditto on your message, Dave. I get UAE's with WPfW but with no other program. And it is slow, slow, slow compared with Ami Pro. The WordPerf button bar is great, but other features aren't so great. The default screen fonts are WAY too small (I can't believe they did this; do they think all computer users are under 20?) and can't, to my knowledge, be zoomed other than by changing fonts. Hillary ========== word.processor/wordperf #806, from dgcook, 840 chars, Fri Dec 27 19:31:28 1991 Comment to 803. ---------- Well, yeah, these programs are bulky. Unfortunately, so so is everything else. Some games are now 6 MB or more in size. Whether or not we'll need gigabyte disks and superfast computers to run word processors, the answer probably is yes. Sometime when these have dropped down to the commonplace. Wordprocessors by then will have become some sort of multimedia thing, I suppose. After all, if somebody told you in 1981 that in ten years you'd need 4 MB of RAM and 15 MB of disk space to run a wordprocessor, you'd be incredulous. (1981 multitasking - working on your computer while having a coffee :). I guess it comes down to how much the program stretchs the current computer resources, and whether or not it is excessive. It's interesting that the old WordStar could run quite comfortably in the 64K RAM cache of modern computers. -Dave ========== word.processor/wordperf #807, from dgcook, 260 chars, Fri Dec 27 19:38:34 1991 Comment to 805. ---------- Nice thing about the new Word for Windows is that you can zoom the screen by any amount. Nice feature. I think the programmers actually tried to find out what people actually wanted in terms of usability, rather than tacking on another useless doo-dad. -Dave
word.perfect.50 dejanr,
Evo jednog odgovora sa BIX-a u vezi mog pitanja o specijalnim karakterima (YU slova) kod WP for Windows. Možda još nekome bude od koristi. ========== word.processor/wordperf #801, from dgcook, 616 chars, Thu Dec 26 23:18:03 1991 Comment to 798. ---------- From what I can see, the special characters are defined in the WP.DRS file for both the screen and the particular printer being used. In Appendix O in the manual, it goes on to say that some characters are bitmapped and some are vector fonts, which are really stick figures. Character sets 2 and 11 are vector based, which is apparently why they are so miserable to look at. It also notes that an international expanded WP.DRS file is available from WP, but it isn't clear as to whether that would help. You can define more characters in set 12 using the PTR program, also, but I'm not sure how that's done. -Dave
word.perfect.51 djnsnd,
Da li je u WP 5.1 na HP III moguce pisati na istoj strani, jedan deo teksta u Landscape, a jedan u Portret orjentaciji (npr. meni konkretno treba tekst u Landscape, a broj strane u Portret orjentaciji) Unapred hvala. Dejan (DjnSnd)
word.perfect.52 dejanr, -> #51, djnsnd
>> Da li je u WP 5.1 na HP III moguce pisati na istoj strani, jedan deo >> teksta u Landscape, a jedan u Portret orjentaciji Jeste! Međutim, moraš uzeti drajver za LJ III koji se nije isporučivao sa prvim verzijama WordPerfect-a 5.1 nego tek malo kasnije. Većina korisnika (uključujući i mene ;) je, zbog problema YU slova, jednostavno iskonvertovala stari drajver (od WP5.0) koji je bio prilagođen LJ II, pa zato nema ovu mogućnost. >> (npr. meni konkretno treba tekst u Landscape, a broj strane u Portret >> orjentaciji) To je malo specifičan zahtev, ali mislim da bi i to moglo uz pomenuti LJIII drajver.
word.perfect.53 djnsnd, -> #52, dejanr
Hvala, ali na koji nacin da WP nateram da tekst stampa u Landscape, a broj strane u Portret orjentaciji? Dejan (DjnSnd)
word.perfect.54 dejanr,
========== word.processor/wordperf #810, from wheelock, 249 chars, Mon Dec 30 05:24:57 1991 Comment to 809. Comment(s). ---------- Word for Windows 2.0 has on-line help for the individual statements in its macro language (a big improvement over the truncated tech manual on disk that came with W4W 1.0). Check WinPerfect's help feature to see if they did the same thing. ========== word.processor/wordperf #811, from tonytass, 370 chars, Mon Dec 30 19:56:26 1991 Comment to 810. Comment(s). ---------- I'll try that. My problems is that I don't know where to start. What is the syntax? What are the verbs? While I haven't done a lot of research on this, I've read that this is a "NEW" language. Having docs for the DOS language won't do much good. I'm sorry the WP followed MS lead on this one. One of my big grudges with WinWord V1 was no docs about WinBasic. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #812, from dick_miller, 108 chars, Tue Dec 31 02:42:30 1 991 Comment to 805. Comment(s). ---------- I keep hearing that the UAEs will all evaporate when we're all running Win3.1. Anyone know if that's smoke? ========== word.processor/wordperf #813, from wheelock, 736 chars, Tue Dec 31 04:59:19 1991 Comment to 811. Comment(s). ---------- The help system should have a Search icon or button. Click it and search for "macro" or any other likely term. If the search is successful, it should give you one or more cross-references you can click. Another possibility is to edit an existing macro, note some of the keywords, and search for those. If you don't get any successes, it is likely that WP Corp. didn't put macro language help in the help system. If that's the case, you'll have to spring for the manual or wait for a third-party book the covers the macro language. WinWord v1 included partial documentation of the macro language in a file on one of the distribution disks. Check the files provided with WPWin--they may have done the same thing. ========== word.processor/wordperf #814, from wheelock, 383 chars, Tue Dec 31 05:03:08 1991 Comment to 812. More refs to 812. ---------- From what I got in the Win3.1 demo at COMDEX, the new version won't eliminate UAEs, but handling will be more graceful. As I understood it, we will be able to close the offending application without disturbing anything else that is running, without having to leave Windows, and without rebooting. You can probably get additional information about this in 'ibm.windows/rumors'. ========== word.processor/wordperf #815, from dgcook, 172 chars, Tue Dec 31 19:16:43 1991 Comment to 812. Comment(s). ---------- WordPerfect is supposed to be preparing an interim release of WP4Win early next year to fix up the UAE's, according to PC Mag. I hope so, they are driving me crazy. -Dave ========== word.processor/wordperf #816, from tonytass, 162 chars, Tue Dec 31 20:21:23 1991 Comment to 813. Comment(s). ---------- Hemm. . . Hemmmmmm, gues what I found last night? In the WPWIN directory is a file called Macro.doc. I had the complete set commands (I think,all along. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #817, from tonytass, 625 chars, Tue Dec 31 20:29:09 1991 Comment to 815. Comment(s). ---------- This is the craziest program. I haven't had one in two weeks. Some people haven't even had one. Others have them all the time. I haven't found any major problems other then the occasional UAE. From what I've read WFW 2 has even more problems, some rather serie(serious I mean) pones. (Please excuse me I've made some changes to my communication program anfand I can't backspace) BTW anyone having problems with UAE's should go over to IBM.WINDOWS and down load DRWATSON.zip. I doesn't take up much space or ram and it keeps a log of what went wrong when a UAE occurs. This can then be sent to MS or WP for review. TonyTass ========== word.processor/wordperf #818, from wheelock, 1155 chars, Wed Jan 1 03:52:03 199 2 Comment to 817. More refs to 817. ---------- Although Windows 3.0 is much matured, we all continue to experience the problems inherent in running a protected mode shell under a real mode operating system. We likely won't see the end of it until we have a protected mode operating system. If IBM weren't the producer, I'd say that the new OS/2 due out in 1992 is our answer. Since it is IBM, we'll have to wait and see, but I'm not holding out much hope, at least this year. For what it is worth, I've been using Word4Win 2.0 and haven't hit any problems, serious or otherwise. No UAEs except when I run it from UNICOM 3.0 (and then DrWatson reports that it is a UNICOM error). From what I hear, UAEs often occur when Windows resources get low. I'm upgrading to a 386 in a few weeks. I'm hoping that this will alleviate the problem somewhat. One last thing--if you're not using Windows 3.0a, call Windows Tech Support, discuss your UAE problems, and ask about getting it. Microsoft sent it to me without charge, and also sent the latest version of DRWATSON.EXE (several months newer than the one on BIX) and the newest version of MSD.EXE (Microsoft Diagnostics). ========== word.processor/wordperf #819, from wheelock, 204 chars, Wed Jan 1 03:52:04 1992 Comment to 816. ---------- Glad to hear it! A company would be crazy to ship a product with no macro documentation of any kind. I've called WordPerfect Corp. a number of things over the years, but crazy isn't one of them. ========== word.processor/wordperf #820, from dgcook, 616 chars, Wed Jan 1 16:50:51 1992 Comment to 817. Comment(s). ---------- Tony, whether or not you have UAE's might depend on what features you're using regularly in WP4Win; ie some features might be more buggy. I have been using the graphics and equation editor quite a bit in my documents. Also, WP seems a bit sneaky in the way it causes UAE's. I don't seem to be getting very many while running the program, but once I close it down and go on to other apps, I am much more likely to have UAE's while running them. If I don't run WP during a Windows session, I have no problems with these apps. Your suggestion to use Dr. Watson is a good one, I'll download it and give it a try. -Dave ========== word.processor/wordperf #821, from hrettig, 88 chars, Wed Jan 1 21:45:22 1992 Comment to 820. Comment(s). ---------- YES! I've gotten UAE's while running WPfW but also _afterwards_. Very sneaky! Hillary ========== word.processor/wordperf #822, from dgcook, 609 chars, Fri Jan 3 19:36:44 1992 Comment to 821. Comment(s). ---------- It sounds like you're having the same fun that I am, Hillary. It is frustrating because I like to have several apps going at the same time because my documents contain data from Excel, figures prepared in CorelDraw, and graphs from Cricket Graph. If I don't start WP4Win, I have no problems with these, but once WP is going, Windows becomes as stable as a drunk on roller skates. Wisely, WP corp made the Windows version use the same file format as WP 5.1 so I can always fall back to that to edit my documents. I would be very reluctant to depend on the Windows version if I didn't have that ability. -Dave ========== word.processor/wordperf #823, from hrettig, 216 chars, Fri Jan 3 19:53:14 1992 Comment to 822. ---------- Same here. I either go back to DOS WP (easier to read, anyway, esp. with UltraVision), or to Word for Windows. Since I'm not forced to use WordPerfect/Windows, I find little incentive to use it any more. Hillary
word.perfect.55 iboris,
Kako da izvedem da na 24/pincu dobijem cirilicu iz word perfecta 5.1 ?
word.perfect.56 nbatocanin, -> #55, iboris
> Kako da izvedem da na 24/pincu dobijem cirilicu iz word > perfecta 5.1 ? Posto WP njegove simbole koji nisu u ASCII tabeli crta u grafickom modu, nikako ti ne preporucujem da isprobavas njegovu ugradjenu cirilicu. Najjednostavnije je da sam ugradis cirilicu u stampac pa da postojeci tekst konvertujes i onda da ga odstampas. Ja to radim softverski (sa manjim problemima) na LQ 550.
word.perfect.57 djnsnd, -> #13, ppekovic
>>> ERROR: Incorrect Format or File not found -- WP0437.WCP > Pogledao sam po mojim WP dir-ovima i ovakav fajl ne > postoji. Cak ne postoji niti jedan sa takvom ekstenzijom. > Da bi ti pomogli, moras reci nesto vise, a to je: > > Koju verziju WP-a koristis? > > Da li u tvojim WP dir-ovima postoji gore pomenuti fajl? čao mi je što se jedno vreme nisam javljao, pa se ovaj lanac diskusije prekinuo. Izvinjavam se. Koristim WP od 20.8.1990. Naravno, tog fajla nema ( u tome i jeste problem). Problem se javio posle instalacije DOS-a 5 i posle petljanja sa kodnim stranicama. U traženoj datoteci su verovatno podaci o kodnom rasporedu. Djn
word.perfect.58 dferbar,
U Računarima 71 objavljen je prototip makroa koji omogučuje da naša slova rade i sa pritisnutim Caps Lock-om. Međutim, kada sa tako definisanim makroima pređete u Comment editor, Macro editor i još poneke delove WP-a, naših slova nema nigde. Trik je u tome, da u tim editorima ne radi Compose key ^V. Stvar proradi ako u makro komandu za naše slovo umesto sekvence {^V}1,99{^M} za npr. slovo č ubacite direktno slovo č sa primenom ^2 1,99 i Enter. ^2 radi kao i ^V, samo da ne ispisuje pitanja Key = a takođe radi u Comment editoru i Macro editoru. Pozdrav, Domen
word.perfect.59 dferbar,
Moguće je, da ste u WP-u već probali da u Caption neke sličice ubacite neki kraći pripis. WP međutim dosta brzo javi da je texta previše. E pa posle malo eksperimentisanja, otkriva se, da je Caption ograničen na 256 bajtova ali se ubraja in SRt (jedan bajt), oznake za Bold (preko 20 bajta) itd. Tako, ako vam nekad zafali jedan, dva ili nešto malo karaktera, probajte: 1. Da privremeno proširite sliku, tako da kompletan text stane u jedan red (štedite toliko bajtova, koliko ima redova). Po izlasku iz Caption editora suzite sliku i WP će da prelomi redove. 2. Da izbacite neke eventualne atribute texta (bold i sl.) Dali neko zna, zašto postoji to ograničenje? Pozdrav, Domen
word.perfect.60 znevenic,
Hi, Može li neko da mi objasni kako da konfigurišem WP 5.1 tako da može da na mreži (NetWare 3.11) štampa na laseru (HP IIP) koji je povezan na drugu radnu stanicu. Mislim da je sav posao oko konfiguracije mreže završen, problem je u WPu. Thanx unapred, Zoran.
word.perfect.61 dejanr, -> #60, znevenic
>> Može li neko da mi objasni kako da konfigurišem WP 5.1 tako da može >> da na mreži (NetWare 3.11) štampa na laseru (HP IIP) koji je povezan >> na drugu radnu stanicu. Koliko znam, možeš štampati samo na štampaču koji je vezan na server, a kako se to konfiguriše imaš u Bajtovima lične prirode, ako treba može se preneti i ovde. Ovo je bio slučaj na Novell-u 2.XX, ali ne znam da je i na 3.XX uvedena mogućnost štampanja na lokalnom printeru neke od stanica. Ako jeste i ako neko zna kako se to radi, i mene bi zanimalo.
word.perfect.62 zormi, -> #61, dejanr
* Ovo je bio slučaj na Novell-u 2.XX, ali ne znam da je i na * 3.XX uvedena mogućnost štampanja na lokalnom printeru neke * od stanica. Ako jeste i ako neko zna kako se to radi, i * mene bi zanimalo. Natürlich. Pri tome printer server može biti posvećen ili neposvećen. Ja koristim neposvećene printer servere (znači sa LaserJet III štampačima. Na server treba u AUTOEXEC.NCF staviti: LOAD STREAMS LOAD CLIB LOAD PSERVER IMTELNET_PRINT -------------- (naziv printer servera ;) A na bilo kojoj radnoj stanici sa štampačem treba zadati: RPRINTER IMTELNET_PRINT 0 --- (broj reda za štampanje) pri čemu može biti i neki drugi broj ako imate više redova za štampanje (ja imam četiri). Naravno, prethodno treba definisati redove i printere sa PRINTDEF.
word.perfect.63 dejanr, -> #62, zormi
>> > Ako jeste i ako neko zna kako se to radi, i >> > mene bi zanimalo. >> >> Natürlich. Vidim ja da ću uskoro morati da počnem da čitam dokumentaciju tog Novell-a ;) Hvala na prilogu!
word.perfect.64 zormi, -> #63, dejanr
* Vidim ja da ću uskoro morati da počnem da čitam * dokumentaciju tog Novell-a ;) Hvala na prilogu! Ne znam samo koji od SEDAM TOMOVA da ti preporučim za početak :).
word.perfect.65 znevenic, -> #62, zormi
> > Natürlich. Pri tome printer server može biti posvećen ili Ok, ali zar je to cela priča? Ako sam ja na radnoj stanici A i štampao bih nešto na štampaču prikačenom na LPT1 port radne stanice B, kako da konfigurišem printer port u WP 5.1?
word.perfect.66 ndragan, -> #64, zormi
/ Ne znam samo koji od SEDAM TOMOVA da ti preporučim Jesu li to one crvene knjige sa čuvenom rečenicom "this operation may take a little longer, specially on large disks (i.e. 20 Mbytes)"... koja se ponavlja na svakoj petoj strani vodiča za instalaciju? Bue_ NDragan
word.perfect.67 zormi, -> #66, ndragan
* Jesu li to one crvene knjige sa čuvenom rečenicom "this * operation may take a little longer, specially on large * disks (i.e. 20 Mbytes)"... koja se ponavlja na svakoj * petoj strani vodiča za instalaciju? Baš te, samo su od tada malo napredovali...
word.perfect.68 zormi, -> #65, znevenic
* Ok, ali zar je to cela priča? Ako sam ja na radnoj stanici * A i štampao bih nešto na štampaču prikačenom na LPT1 port * radne stanice B, kako da konfigurišem printer port u WP * 5.1? Pokreneš CAPTURE /Q=red koji preusmeri tvoj LPT1 ka serveru u neki od redova (poželjne su i opcije NB, NFF, TI=0 i sl) i onda štampaš kao da je printer kod tebe. Po završetku otkucaš ENDCAP. Ovo je generalno rešenje za sve DOS programe. Mislim da WP ume da prepozna mrežni printer i nije mu potrebna ova "prevara".
word.perfect.69 iboris,
Ima li neko ideju kako da softverski resim problem nasih slova is WP 5.1 na stampac LQ450 ?
word.perfect.70 bojanp, -> #68, zormi
> Pokreneš CAPTURE /Q=red koji preusmeri tvoj LPT1 ka serveru > u neki od redova (poželjne su i opcije NB, NFF, TI=0 i sl) > i onda štampaš kao da je printer kod tebe. Po završetku > otkucaš ENDCAP. > > Ovo je generalno rešenje za sve DOS programe. Mislim da > WP ume da prepozna mrežni printer i nije mu potrebna ova > "prevara". Ovo je standardna stvar i svima je dobro poznata (bar onima koji rade na mrežama koje su pod Novell-om). Obično se komanda CAPTURE postavlja u login proceduri. Međutim koliko sam shvatio poruku u pitanju je drugi problem. Odštampati nešto na printeru koji je zakačen za *drugu radnu stanicu*, a ne za server. Koliko ja znam to nije moguće bez intervencije korisnika koji radi na radnoj stanici za koju je zakačen štampač. Pozdrav, Bojan
word.perfect.71 zormi, -> #70, bojanp
* Koliko ja znam to nije moguće bez intervencije * korisnika koji radi na radnoj stanici za koju je zakačen * štampač. Naravno. Mora da se pokrene software na njemu koji ostaje rezidentan i omogućava korisniku da dalje radi (uz gubitak 50-tak kB memorije i malo usporenje), a ostalima da štampaju na njegovom printeru. Taj software može biti već pomenuti RPRINTER ili npr. SMARTLAN FOR NOVELL kojim sam se zabavljao u poslednje vreme. On omogućava i pristup tudjem lokalnom disku (npr. C:) kao svom (tzv. peer-to-peer komunikacija). Naravno, u svakom slučaju vlasnik treba da dozvoli pokretanjem programa.
word.perfect.72 vili,
Kako da na Herculesu u WP5.1 vidim nasa slovca? vili
word.perfect.73 vili,
Kako da nateram LQ1050 (ili slican 24-pinac) da iz WP5.1 printuje extra large sa npr.500% od osnovnog fonta, a ne samo 200% kako je definisano u setup-u? Da li to printer uopste moze? Da li treba brljati po PTR-u i predefinisati drajver? vili
word.perfect.74 dejanr, -> #72, vili
>> Kako da na Herculesu u WP5.1 vidim nasa slovca? Nema načina, ako slova nisu ugrađena u EPROM. Ako jesu, vide se "sama od sebe".
word.perfect.75 djnsnd, -> #69, iboris
> Ima li neko ideju kako da softverski resim problem nasih > slova is WP 5.1 na stampac LQ450 ? U čemu je problem? Svejedno je koji štampač imaš. Treba samo da napraviš drajver za tastaturu ili da kucaš sa Ctrl/V. Uzgred moguće je naći i knjigu na našem jeziku. DjnSnd
word.perfect.76 djnsnd, -> #72, vili
> > Kako da na Herculesu u WP5.1 vidim nasa slovca? > > vili Bojim se, nikako.
word.perfect.77 djnsnd, -> #73, vili
> > Kako da nateram LQ1050 (ili slican 24-pinac) da iz WP5.1 > printuje extra large sa npr.500% od osnovnog fonta, a ne > samo 200% kako je definisano u setup-u? Da li to printer > uopste moze? Da li treba brljati po PTR-u i predefinisati > drajver? > > vili Pitanje je da li tvoj štampač zna da crta 5 x veća slova? Ako ne zna onda nikako.
word.perfect.78 bojanp, -> #74, dejanr
>>> Kako da na Herculesu u WP5.1 vidim nasa slovca? > > Nema načina, ako slova nisu ugrađena u EPROM. Ako jesu, vide se > "sama od sebe". Kako nema! A Zakićev YuHerc?!
word.perfect.79 znevenic, -> #71, zormi
>* Koliko ja znam to nije moguće bez intervencije >* korisnika koji radi na radnoj stanici za koju je zakačen >* štampač. > > Naravno. Mora da se pokrene software na njemu koji ostaje Hvala na pomoći, rešio sam problem štampanja iz WP5.1 na printeru koji je na nekoj drugoj radnoj stanici. Što se mreže tiče, tvoji saveti su uradili svoje, ostaje samo da se setuje WP, i to ovako: Select printer, pa Edit, pa Port, pa se za port izabere "Other", pa se tu ukuca ime printer-servera, dvotačka, i naziv reda. WP zatim pita jel to mrežni štampač, kažem da jeste, i to je sve. žak i radi ;)
word.perfect.80 dejanr, -> #79, znevenic
>> žak i radi ;) Sličan opis je bio i u januarskim "Bajtovima lične prirode"... ali je i dalje pretpostavka da je u pitanju standardan print queue, što obično znači da je printer uključen u server.
word.perfect.81 bojanp, -> #79, znevenic
> Hvala na pomoći, rešio sam problem štampanja iz WP5.1 na printeru > koji je na nekoj drugoj radnoj stanici. Kako si to rešio? Napiši malo detaljnije ako nije tajna.
word.perfect.82 vojkan,
ULTRA URGENT !!! Ako neko ima drajver za IBM ProPrinter za program DrawPerfect. Istu ovu poruku sam ostavio i u graphics. A ako imate molim vas pošaljite što pre. ─MAIL SEND VOJKAN. Unapred zahvalan....
word.perfect.83 zormi, -> #80, dejanr
* Sličan opis je bio i u januarskim "Bajtovima lične * prirode"... ali je i dalje pretpostavka da je u pitanju * standardan print queue, što obično znači da je printer * uključen u server. Ovo je potpuno standardan print queue, razlika je samo u tome gde se štampa, da li na serveru ili na stanici koja se javi serveru i od njega zahteva slanje reda 'tog i tog' na štampanje...
word.perfect.84 djnsnd, -> #82, vojkan
> Ako neko ima drajver za IBM ProPrinter za program > DrawPerfect. Istu ovu poruku sam ostavio i u graphics. Nisam siguran, ali zar ne bi trebalo da radi sa drajverom iz WP. U svakom slučaju, možeš da ga ubaciš u WP i odatle štampaš. DjnSnd
word.perfect.85 nbatocanin, -> #84, djnsnd
> Nisam siguran, ali zar ne bi trebalo da radi sa drajverom > iz WP. Sad me podseti: kad se slika iz DrawPerfect-a učita u WP, gube se fontovi, tj. pretvaraju se u Helvetiku. Ako se iskopira DP.DRS u WP.DRS, ostaju!
word.perfect.86 dveselinovic, -> #85, nbatocanin
Baš tako, a može i obratno. Recimo, Tseng ET4000 VGA video karta sasvim lepo radi sa drajverom za Genoa u režimu 800x600, i što je najlepše, bar dva puta brže nego sa sopstvenim drajverima. Drajver za tu karticu postoji u DP, ali ne i u ranijim verzijama WP; zato ga lepo iskopiraš i sve radi ne zna se. A ko nema drajver za 132x25 slova na ekranu u tekstualnom režimu za Tseng ET4000, neka koristi drajver za ATI EGA Wonder, radi kao bog. Pozdrav, DVV
word.perfect.87 vojkan, -> #84, djnsnd
-> Nisam siguran, ali zar ne bi trebalo da radi sa drajverom -> iz WP. U svakom slučaju, možeš da ga ubaciš u WP i odatle -> štampaš. Nije isti driver, naravno mogu ali nije baš zdravo jer ponekad koju liniju zaboravi, a pošto je posao u pitanju to nesme da se desi. Hvala ti. Inače drajver sam dobio od drakceta tako da sam rešio taj problem. VOjkan
word.perfect.88 vojkan, -> #84, djnsnd
-> Nisam siguran, ali zar ne bi trebalo da radi sa drajverom -> iz WP. U svakom slučaju, možeš da ga ubaciš u WP i odatle -> štampaš. Nije isti driver, naravno mogu ali nije baš zdravo jer ponekad koju liniju zaboravi, a pošto je posao u pitanju to nesme da se desi. Hvala ti. Inače drajver sam dobio od drakceta tako da sam rešio taj problem. VOjkan
word.perfect.89 dega,
Pozdrav svima WordPerfect-ionistima! Prvo vece na Sezamu - - DeGa
word.perfect.90 iboris, -> #75, djnsnd
Ł U čemu je problem? Ł Svejedno je koji štampač imaš. Ł Treba samo da napraviš drajver za tastaturu ili da kucaš sa Ł Ctrl/V. Kako sa novim driverom za tastaturu da dobijem naša slova na štampaču ?!?!?!? Ovo mi zvuči malo neverovatno !!! A kad je u pitanju knjiga...koja je i gde može da se nabavi ?
word.perfect.91 draganf, -> #90, iboris
> > Kako sa novim driverom za tastaturu da dobijem naša slova > na štampaču ?!?!?!? Ovo mi zvuči malo neverovatno !!! > Možda jeste, ali stvar radi otprilike ovako. Kada izmjeniš drajver za tastaturu tekst koji budeš unosio će u sebi sadržavati kodove koje bi inače kucao sa CTRL - V , a WP - u će to biti dovoljno i ta slova će printati u grafičkom modu (što je najveća mana jer se može desiti da razlika u kvalitetu bude velika). Ova slova na ekranu vidiš kao kao kvadrate ili sl. a da bi i na ekranu bilo ono što treba moraćeš da instaliraš naša slova zavisno od vrste video sistema. Ako ne budeš zadovoljan kvalitetom moraćeš onda da promjeniš metod tj. da slova kucaš napamet, a da u printer vršiš DL sa setom naših slova (možeš napraviti sam datoteku ili iskoristiti neki od postojećih programa). Dragan
word.perfect.92 nbatocanin, -> #90, iboris
> Kako sa novim driverom za tastaturu da dobijem naša slova > na štampaču ?!?!?!? Zato što WP podržava naša slova - kad izmeniš drajver, kucaćeš simbole koji odgovaraju našim slovima. Evo kodova za zainteresovane: ╔═══════Đ══════Đ══════╗ ║ YU │YUSCII│ WP5.1║ ă───────┼──────┼────── ║Šuma │ [ │1,176 ║ ║šumica │ { │1,177 ║ ║Ćurka │ ] │1,96 ║ ║ćurkica│ } │1,97 ║ ║žavka │ ^ │1,98 ║ ║čavkica│ ~ │1,99 ║ ║Đoka │ \ │1,86 ║ ║đokica │ | │1,79 ║ ║čaba │ @ │1,206 ║ ║žabica │ ` │1,207 ║ ╚═══════¤══════¤══════╝ Jedino je kvalitet slova loš. P.S. Nisam siguran za Djoku - mislim da postoji bolja varijanta.
word.perfect.93 vbole, -> #92, nbatocanin
> P.S. Nisam siguran za Djoku - mislim da postoji bolja varijanta. A koja to ?? Ako si mislio na prst - to nije sigurno... :))))))) bye... vbole
word.perfect.94 nbatocanin, -> #93, vbole
:))))
word.perfect.95 djnsnd, -> #90, iboris
> Kako sa novim driverom za tastaturu da dobijem naša slova > na štampaču ?!?!?!? Ovo mi zvuči malo neverovatno !!! > > A kad je u pitanju knjiga...koja je i gde može da se > nabavi ? Ako hoces knjigu na srpskom, za pocetak rada sa Wp5.1 najbolja je knjiga u izdanju Mikro knjige: ABC Wordperfect 5.1. To je prevod sa engleskog. Ali pravu literaturu mozes dobiti samo na engleskom. U gorepomenutoj knjizi nema npr. nista o problemu YU karakter seta. Ako te interesuju knjige na engleskom, mail me. WP crta znake koji nisu u karakter setu stampaca. Kvalitet na papiru zavisi od toga koliko je rasprostranjen stampac koji koristis. Na matricnim stampacima je sve i onako loseg kvaliteta. Na HPIII nema frke. Mozda ce neki stampar naci manu, ali meni sve izgeda OK. Izgled nasih slova na ekranu zavisi od kartice koju koristis. Na VGA i EGA se latinica moze videti. Treba samo promeniti nesto u SetUp-u WP-a. Na hecculesu se nasa slova vide kao bold (verzije slova bez "akcenta - kvacica"). Uh, ne da sam objasnio. Cirilica je uvek u obliku kvadratica na ekranu. Ako ti trebaju dodatna objasnjenja javi mi se ponovo. DjnSnd
word.perfect.96 djnsnd, -> #91, draganf
> Ova slova na ekranu vidiš kao kao kvadrate ili sl. a da bi > i na ekranu bilo ono što treba moraćeš da instaliraš naša > slova zavisno od vrste video sistema. Na EGa/VGA nije tako. Vide se na ekranu. > Ako ne budeš zadovoljan kvalitetom moraćeš onda da > promjeniš metod tj. da slova kucaš napamet, a da u printer > vršiš DL sa setom naših slova (možeš napraviti sam > datoteku ili iskoristiti neki od postojećih programa). Ne moras da ih kucas napamet. Radis prvo u WP formatu, pa onda prebacus u npr. YUSCII (makroom).<-- Imam ga. Za koriscenje softverskih fontova ima vise fazona. DjnSnd
word.perfect.97 djnsnd, -> #92, nbatocanin
> Jedino je kvalitet slova loš. Zavisi od stampaca. Na HP laserima je pristojno sve osim dj, ali njega kucam kao ova dva znaka, pa nije vazno. DjnSnd
word.perfect.98 dmiric,
Hi! Evo WP_YU utilities. Nastale su kao rezultat daroneovog upornog traženja da pravim nove i nove i nove... makroe za konverziju... O tome šta rade evo par odlomaka iz uputstva. Btw, nisam siguran kad ću imati vremena da ponovo pročitam nešto iz ove conf, zato ako bude nešto hitno mail wr dmiric! ---------------------------- UPUTSTVO.DOC WordPerfect 5.1 YU Utilities by (md). v0.99 (beta release) Hard/Soft requirements: PC, VGA/EGA i WP naravno ;> Može iz bez VGA/EGA ali onda se naša slova ne vide na ekranu ;> Ova grupa makroa namenjena je ljudima koji žele da bez mnogo problema imaju YU slova u WP i vrše import teksta sa YU slovima napisanog u DOSu. Takođe, omogućen je export u DOS teksta napisanog u WPu. Pored ovog fajla apsolutno ništa drugo neće vam biti potrebno za rad sa YU slovima u WordPerfectu. Ovo posebno naglašavam jer neki ljudi koriste dodatne drajvere za tastaturu (na primer VKEYB Vlade Kostića), downloaduju YU VGA font i tek onda pokreću WP. Naravno sve ovo je savršeno nepotrebno, jer WP u potpunosti omogućava rad sa našim slovima. UVOD - namenjeno totalnim početnicima - EKRAN Da bi na ekranu u WP videli naša slova potrebna vam je EGA/VGA grafička karta. U daljem tekstu podrazumevaće se VGA. Pretpostavljam da će svi makroi raditi i sa EGA, mada lično nisam probao. ŠTAMPAž WP omogućava štampanje naših slova bez posebnih drajvera za štampač. Naravno javlja se problem što se ovakva slova manje ili više (što zavisi od štampača) razlikuju od ostalih, ali tu stvarno nema mnogo pomoći. Jedno rešenje je pravljenje sopstvenog fonta koji će WP sam učitati pre štampanja. Za one koji imaju LQ500 ili kompatibilan najtoplije preporučujem da pogledaju bclq500 drajver koji je napisao Branko Jirecek (bjirecek) i koji se može naći negde u PC.SOFT:word.perfect. Ja lično ovaj drajver koristim od kada imam WP i izuzetno sam zadovoljan. Pored latiničnih on podržava i ćirilični font. KODNI RASPOREDI WP ima svoj interni kodni raspored za YU slova. To je upravo i razlog što tekst iz DOSa sa bilo kojim kodnim rasporedom WP "ne konstatuje". Da bi se tekst sa našim slovima koristio u WPu potrebno je izvršiti konverziju naših slova u interni WP format jednim od makroa koji se nalaze u ovoj arhivi. Getting Started Sve fajlove iz arhive osim READ.ME treba staviti u WordPerfectov Keyboard/- Macro direktorijum. Da bi saznali koji je to direktorijum treba kucati: Shift - F1 (setup) L (Location of files) Stavka 2 u ovom meniju je Keyboard/Macro files: U ovaj direktorijum treba staviti sve fajlove iz arhive. Pokretanje naših slova Dovoljno je otkucati: Alt-F10 YU [ENTER] Posle ovog ekrane bljesne i naša slova su tu! Raspored slova na tastaturi je sledeći: taster : []`\'{}~|" YU slovo : čćđšžžĆĐŠč NAPOMENA: Ako ovaj raspored ne odgovara, vrlo se lako može izmeniti, sledećim postupkom: Shift-f1 (setup) K (keyboard layout) selektuje se YUKBD M(Map) i zatim su stvari očigledne, izvrše se izmene i otkuca F7. NAPOMENA: Nije podržan CAPS LOCK sa našim slovima. Ovo stanje zateći će vas i kad sledći put ponovo uđete u WP. Povratak na klasičnu englesku tastaturu i običan ASCII na ekranu postiže se sa: Alt-F10 ENGL [ENTER] Posle ovoga više nema naših slova na ekranu. Ukoliko tekst sadrži naša slova ona se neće videti, odnosno WP će ih zameniti odgovarajućim ASCII aproksi- macijama. Tako će č i ć biti zamenjeni sa c, đ sa d itd. VAčNO: Bez obzira što se naša slova ne vide na ekranu WP će ih Štampati. Dakle makroi ENGL i YU utiču samo na prikaz na ekranu i kontrolu tastature. NAPOMENA: Ponekad se javlja potreba da se u tekstu sa YU slovima otkuca neki od znakova sa tastature koji su predefinisani, na pr: [] {} ~`'" itd. Ovo se, naravno, može uraditi sa prelaskom na ENGL međutim zgodnije je raditi ovako. <kuca se tekst sa našim slovima> <potrebno je otkucati neki znak koji je na tastaturi premapiran> <kuca se Ctrl-6> <otkucaju se željeni znaci> <kuca se alt-f10 yukey [enter] i naša slova su tu> IMPORT teksta iz DOSa Tekst se normalno učita u WP. Otkuca se Alt-f10 <ime makroa za konverziju> i ako je pre toga bio uključen YU macro, naša slova se pojavljuju. Makroi za konverziju: mm2wp (Moj mikro -> WP) yusci2wp (YUSCII -> WP) rac2wp (Racunari -> WP) * lat2wp (Latin 2 -> WP) * cus2wp (Custom 2 -> WP) ------------ * - označeni makroi za konverziju nisu podržani u ovoj verziji. Ukoliko bude postojalo interesovanje nalaziće se u verziji 1.00. ------------ Natpis Cycles left: za vreme izvršavanja makroa odnosi se na broj naših slova koje makro treba da obradi. Naših slova ima 10 (malih i velikih) pa odbrojava- nje ide od 10 do 1. Ovo je zgodno kod velikih tekstova, tek toliko da stvori osećaj koliko je još ostalo. EXPORT teksta iz WP u DOS Ukoliko je potrebno tekst napisan u WPu prebaciti u DOS, potrebno je najpre tekst iz WP internog formata konvertovati u jedan od YU kodnih standarda, a zatim tekst snimiti sa: Ctrl-F5 T(dos Text) S(Save) Makroi za konverziju: wp2mm (WP -> moj mikro) wp2rac (WP -> racunari) * wp2cus (WP -> Custom2) * wp2lat (WP -> Latin2) * wp2yusci (WP -> YUSCII) * ------------ * - označeni makroi za konverziju nisu podržani u ovoj verziji. Ukoliko bude postojalo interesovanje nalaziće se u verziji 1.00. ------------ * * * Ovaj paket napisan je u želji da se jednom za svagda iskorene problemi u vezi naših slova u WP. Modifikovanje i distribuiranje ovog paketa je poželjno i dozvoljeno. Izvestan broj makroa za konverziju napisan je samo za potrebe ovog paketa pa zbog toga nije testiran. Autor ne može snositi odgovornost za greške koje su se potkrale, niti za štetu koja bi iz njih mogla proizići. Program STARTUJ.EXE napisao je Dejan Ristanović i deo je paketa UYU Utilities. Sugestije i komentari dobrodošli. Dragan Mirić, Februar 1992. SEZAM dmiric DECnet Buef78::MIRIC_30091D
word.perfect.99 dejanr, -> #98, dmiric
Hvala na VRLO interesantnom prilogu. Bulaja će ga svakako premestiti u IBMPC\YU.
word.perfect.100 bulaja, -> #99, dejanr
│Hvala na VRLO interesantnom prilogu. Bulaja ce ga svakako premestiti │u IBMPC\YU. └─── Bulaja je premestio u \IBMPC\YU dir ;). Hvala dmiric-u na prilogu.
word.perfect.101 darone, -> #98, dmiric
>> Makroi za konverziju: >> >> wp2mm (WP -> moj mikro) >> wp2rac (WP -> racunari) * >> wp2cus (WP -> Custom2) * >> wp2lat (WP -> Latin2) * >> wp2yusci (WP -> YUSCII) * >> >> ------------ >> * - označeni makroi za konverziju nisu podržani >> u ovoj verziji. Ukoliko bude postojalo >> interesovanje nalaziće se u verziji 1.00. >> ------------ Nisi napisao makro za moj raspored? E ovo ćeš da mi platiš (i to novčanicama ;)))))) darone p.s. svaka čast, ne znam kako te nije mrzelo :)