email.1dejanr,
U "Računarima" upravo započinje serija tekstova o elektronskoj
pošti kojoj posvećujemo i ovu temu.
email.2sale,
Da li postoji out-dial u Jugoslaviji, i ako nekim slucajem da,
koji je broj (mada ne verujem da ga ima)?
I onako usput, kako se moze doci do globalnih out-dial-ova ;)?
Sale
email.3dejanr,
-> #2, sale>> Da li postoji out-dial u Jugoslaviji, i ako nekim slucajem da,
>> koji je broj (mada ne verujem da ga ima)?
Nema ga...
>> I onako usput, kako se moze doci do globalnih out-dial-ova ;)?
Ne postoji globalni outdial (koliko bar ja znam) ali evo moje liste
outdialova za razne oblasti. Prvi deo je (koliko mi je poznato) prikupio
Darko Bulat a drugi deo su neki outdial-ovi koje ne mogu da se setim
odakle sam pokupio. Ne tvrdim da svi rade ali...
AREA STATE CITY SPEED NTN/NUA
==================================================================
201 New Jersey New Jersey 300 6311020100001
1200 6311020100301
2400 6311020100022
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202 Washington Washington 300 6311020200115
1200 6311020200116
2400 6311020200117
6311020200123
631102020012301
631102020012303
631102020012305
631102020012307
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203 Connecticut Vernon 1200 6311020300120
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206 Washington Washington 300 6311020600017
1200 6311020600019
2400 6311020600021
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1200 6311021200316
2400 6311021200028
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214 California Los Angeles 300 6311021300412
1200 6311021300413
2400 6311021300023
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214 Texas Dallas 300 6311021400117
1200 6311021400118
2400 6311021400022
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215 Pennsylvania Philadelphia 300 6311021500112
1200 6311021500005
2400 6311021500022
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216 Ohio Cleveland 300 6311021600020
1200 6311021600021
2400 6311021600120
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303 Colorado Denver 300 6311030300114
1200 6311030300115
2400 6311030300021
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305 Florida Miami 300 6311030500120
1200 6311030500121
2400 6311030500122
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312 Illinois Chicago 300 6311031200410
1200 6311031200411
2400 6311031200024
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313 Michigan Detroit 300 6311031300214
1200 6311031300216
2400 6311031300024
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314 Missouri Columbia 300 6311031400005
1200 6311031400421
2400 6311031400020
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404 Georgia Atlanta 300 6311040400113
1200 6311040400114
2400 6311040400022
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408 California San Jose 300 6311040800111
1200 6311040800021
2400 6311040800110
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414 Wisconsin 300 6311041400020
1200 6311041400021
2400 6311041400120
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415 California Oakridge 300 6311041500005
1200 6311041500216
2400 6311041500011
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415 California Palo Alto 300 6311041500106
1200 6311041500224
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415 California San Francisco 300 6311041500215
1200 6311041500217
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503 Oregon Portland 300 6311050300020
1200 6311050300021
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602 Arizona Phoenix 300 6311060200022
1200 6311060200023
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612 Minnesota 300 6311061200120
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713 Texas Houston 300 6311071300113
1200 6311071300114
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714 California 300 6311071400023
1200 6311071400004
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714 California San Antonio 300 6311071400119
1200 6311071400213
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714 California San Diego 300 6311071400102
(619) 1200 6311071400210
2400 6311071400121
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801 Utah Salt Lake City 300 6311080100020
1200 6311080100021
2400 6311080100012
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813 Florida Tampa 300 6311081300020
1200 6311081300021
2400 6311081300124
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816 Missouri 300 6311081600104
1200 6311081600221
2400 6311081600113
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818 California 1200 6311081800021
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916 California 300 6311091600007
1200 6311091600011
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919 North Carolina 300 6311091900020
1200 6311091900021
2400 6311091900124
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===============================================================
B 0228 468 114 0510*DLO CERNLO CERN 300 bps OUTDIAL (where ???)
B 0228 468 114 0510*DME CERNME CERN 1200 bps OUTDIAL (where ???)
0310 600 182 8 FRX Faifax Outdial Host (Tymnet)
B 0310 600 197 6 Outdial NY
B 0310 600 220 7,OUT Outdial
B 0310 600 255 Outdial NY
X 0310 600 502 0 Outdial Fairfax
X 0310 600 531 7 Outdial St.Louis
0310 600 560 3 (Host) systems 1,2,3,4,5,C (5=Outdial)
X 0310 600 701 7 Outdial NY
0311 020 100 022 New Jersey Outdial 2400 bps (Area 201)
0311 020 100 301 New Jersey Outdial 1200 bps (Area 201)
A 0311 020 200 115 Outdial 300 bps (Area 202)
A 0311 020 200 116 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 202)
0311 020 200 117 Distr. of Columbia Outdial 2400 bps (Area
0311 020 300 130 Connecticut Outdial 1200 bps (Area 203)
0311 020 600 019 Washington Outdial 1200 bps (Area 206)
A 0311 021 200 315 Outdial 300 bps (Area 212)
A 0311 021 200 316 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 212)
D 0311 021 200 412 Outdial 2400 bps (Area 212)
D 0311 021 200 41200 New York City Outdial (Area 212)
0311 021 300 412 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 213)
A 0311 021 300 413 Outdial CA
6311 021 300 023 213
0311 021 400 117 Outdial 300 bps (Area 214)
A 0311 021 400 118 Texas Outdial 1200 bps (Area 214)
0311 021 500 022 Pennsylvania Outdial 2400 bps (Area 215)
0311 021 500 112 Pennsylvania Outdial 1200 bps (Area 215)
A 0311 021 600 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 216)
A 0311 021 600 021 Ohio Outdial 1200 bps (Area 216)
0311 030 300 021 Colorado Outdial 2400 bps (Area 303)
0311 030 300 115 Colorado Outdial 1200 bps (Area 303)
0311 030 500 121 Florida Outdial 1200 bps (Area 305)
D 0311 030 508 793 Miami Outdial (Area 305) ?
0311 031 200 024 Illinois Outdial 2400 bps (Area 217 ?)
0311 031 200 411 Illinois Outdial 1200 bps (Area 217 ?)
0311 031 300 024 Michigan Outdial 2400 bps (Area 313)
0311 031 300 216 Michigan Outdial 1200 bps (Area 313)
A 0311 040 400 114 Georgia Outdial 1200 bps (Area 404)
A 0311 040 800 021 California Outdial 1200 bps? (Area 408)
0311 041 400 021 Wisconsin Outdial 1200 bps (Area 414)
0311 041 500 117 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415)
I 0311 041 500 210 Outdial USA
A 0311 041 500 215 Outdial (Area 415)
A 0311 041 500 217 Outdial (Area 415)
A 0311 041 500 220 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415)
A 0311 050 300 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 503)
A 0311 050 300 021 Oregon Outdial 1200 bps (Area 503)
0310 600 182 8 FRX Faifax Outdial Host (Tymnet)
B 0310 600 197 6 Outdial NY
B 0310 600 220 7,OUT Outdial
B 0310 600 255 Outdial NY
X 0310 600 502 0 Outdial Fairfax
X 0310 600 531 7 Outdial St.Louis
0310 600 560 3 (Host) systems 1,2,3,4,5,C (5=Outdial)
X 0310 600 701 7 Outdial NY
0311 020 100 022 New Jersey Outdial 2400 bps (Area 201)
0311 020 100 301 New Jersey Outdial 1200 bps (Area 201)
A 0311 020 200 115 Outdial 300 bps (Area 202)
A 0311 020 200 116 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 202)
0311 020 200 117 Distr. of Columbia Outdial 2400 bps (Area
0311 020 300 130 Connecticut Outdial 1200 bps (Area 203)
0311 020 600 019 Washington Outdial 1200 bps (Area 206)
A 0311 021 200 315 Outdial 300 bps (Area 212)
A 0311 021 200 316 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 212)
D 0311 021 200 412 Outdial 2400 bps (Area 212)
D 0311 021 200 41200 New York City Outdial (Area 212)
0311 021 300 412 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 213)
A 0311 021 300 413 Outdial CA
0311 021 400 117 Outdial 300 bps (Area 214)
A 0311 021 400 118 Texas Outdial 1200 bps (Area 214)
0311 021 500 022 Pennsylvania Outdial 2400 bps (Area 215)
0311 021 500 112 Pennsylvania Outdial 1200 bps (Area 215)
A 0311 021 600 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 216)
A 0311 021 600 021 Ohio Outdial 1200 bps (Area 216)
0311 030 300 021 Colorado Outdial 2400 bps (Area 303)
0311 030 300 115 Colorado Outdial 1200 bps (Area 303)
0311 030 500 121 Florida Outdial 1200 bps (Area 305)
D 0311 030 508 793 Miami Outdial (Area 305) ?
0311 031 200 024 Illinois Outdial 2400 bps (Area 217 ?)
0311 031 200 411 Illinois Outdial 1200 bps (Area 217 ?)
0311 031 300 024 Michigan Outdial 2400 bps (Area 313)
0311 031 300 216 Michigan Outdial 1200 bps (Area 313)
A 0311 040 400 114 Georgia Outdial 1200 bps (Area 404)
A 0311 040 800 021 California Outdial 1200 bps? (Area 408)
0311 041 400 021 Wisconsin Outdial 1200 bps (Area 414)
0311 041 500 117 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415)
I 0311 041 500 210 Outdial USA
A 0311 041 500 215 Outdial (Area 415)
A 0311 041 500 217 Outdial (Area 415)
A 0311 041 500 220 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415)
A 0311 050 300 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 503)
A 0311 050 300 021 Oregon Outdial 1200 bps (Area 503)
D 0311 060 200 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 602)
D 0311 060 200 021 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 602)
0311 061 200 121 Minnesota Outdial 1200 bps (Area 612)
0311 061 900 050 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 619)
0311 070 300 117 Virginia Outdial 2400 bps (Area 703)
0311 071 300 024 Texas Outdial 2400 bps (Area 713)
0311 071 300 114 Texas Outdial 1200 bps (Area 713)
A 0311 080 100 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 801)
A 0311 080 100 021 Utah Outdial 1200 bps (Area 801)
A 0311 081 300 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 813)
A 0311 081 300 021 Florida Outdial 1200 bps (Area 813)
D 0311 081 305 518 Tampa Outdial (Area 813) ?
0311 081 800 021 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 818)
0311 091 600 050 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 916)
A 0311 091 900 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 919)
A 0311 091 900 021 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 919)
email.4dejanr,
Ne znam koliko je ko upućen u to, ali jedna od lepih stvari koje možete
raditi sa vašom email adresom je prijem nekih od "časopisa" koji kruže
paketnim mrežama. Stvar je sasvim besplatna i dovoljno je da na određenu
adresu pošaljete poruku da vas neki časopis zanima i on počinje da
stiže. Ima uređivanih i neuređivanih časopisa - uređivan je onaj kod
koga svi šalju priloge uredniku a on bira šta je zanimljivo i to
distribuira ostalima. Neuređivani časopisi (većina) su oni kod kojih
korisnici šalju poruke a one se redistribuiraju ostalim interesentima
bez ičije intervencije.
Evo liste jednog od listserv-era (LISTSERV@FINHUTC.BITNET) a uz poruku
su nešto detaljniji opisi. Ako neka prati ili planira da prati nešto
od ovoga, neka se javi ako je raspoložen da komunikaciju prenosi na
Sezam.
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lista.zipemail.5madamov,
-> #4, dejanr
>>Evo liste jednog od listserv-era (LISTSERV@FINHUTC.BITNET) a uz poruku su
>>nešto detaljniji opisi. Ako neka prati ili planira da prati nešto od ovoga,
>>neka se javi ako je raspoložen da komunikaciju prenosi na Sezam.
Ja sam već odavno ostavio nekoliko takvih publikacija u ST/news ( radi se
o INFO-A16 ). U zadnje vreme su počeli malo neredovno da pristižu pa sam
ostavljanje na Sezam malčice zanemario. I dobar deo onog softvera kojeg sam
ostavljao po ST konferenciji je stizao sa PROG-A16 diskusije. Samo što sam to
dobijao od drugog listservera ( LISTSERV@UOGUELPH.bitnet ).
Uzgred, juče sam skinuo sa jednog ftp servera spisak hostova za ftp. U
spisak su samo ubačene adrese, bez ikakvih opisa. Ako nekog zanima, mogu da
zapakujem i pošaljem. A jedan drugi spisak ftp servera, sa kratkim opisom šta
se nalazi na nekom od njih, ostavljam uz ovu poruku.
ftp.arcemail.6robert,
Cao
Sto se tice tih elektronskih "novina" i "casopisa",
bas sam se danas zezao oko toga sa nekim LISTSERVER-ima
i "pretplatio" sam se na neke, a to su:
BITNEWS, GIF-L, HORROR (brrr), PCSERV-L, PHOTO-L.
Pa ako bude neceg interesantnog tu, Sezam sigurno
nece ostati uskracen za to. :))
Pozdrav Robert P.
email.7robert,
Cao,
kao sto sam vec napomenuo, poslao sam nekoliko
MAIL-ova raznim LISTSERVER-ima (sinoc) i vec su
poceli da mi pristizu odgovori. U stvari, konkretno,
sa listservera BUACCA lista PHOTO-L, koja je,
izgleda, uredjivana od strane samih korisnika, koji
salju svoje komentare, pitanja i opet odgovore na
neka druga pitanja, (sve u svemu dosta slicno kao
i konferencija na Sezamu :).
Radi ilustracije sam izdvojio mali deo
jedne diskusije koja se nalazi u konferenciji
FORUM pod RAZNO, jer je tema fotografija, a nje
ovde nema.
Mozda se i razvije diskusija o fotografiji
ovde, na Sezamu posle ovog, ko zna :).
Inace, ja se licno iz hobija bavim fotografijom
pa me zato to malo i interesuje.
Pa onda, dobrodosli u diskusiju (u FORUM-u, naravno)
Pozdrav Robert P.
P.S.
U prilogu saljem datoteku sa spiskom raznih lista
na raznim listserverima koje se mogu dobiti.
Pozivam sve da ostave eventualne komentare i sugestije
i , naravno, iskustva u ovoj konferenciji.
list.zipemail.8djovicevic,
Evo malo korisne diskusije o Kermitu i problemima sa njim:
-----------------------------
Date: 15 Feb 91 16:33:00 CST
From: "SACLMR" <saclmr@sacemnet.af.mil>
Subject: Binary Kermit File Transfers VAX to PC (V91 #29)
>Date: Fri, 25 Jan 1991 16:32:28 EST
>From: garber@aru.dom.uab.edu
>I am trying to transfer binary files between a MicroVAX and a PC with
>little success. The kermit version on the VAX is 3.3.126, and on the
>PC is 3.01. I start kermit on the PC using LAT (and DECNet), log onto
>the VAX, start kermit on the VAX, type "set file type binary", type
>"server", alt-x back to the PC, type "get <filename>", and the file
>downloads. I have also tried typing "set file type binary" on the PC
>side as well. The transfered file has a larger file size, and won't
>run. It appears to have some material added to the end to the file.
>What am I doing wrong?
One possibility - I noticed a packet size negotiation problem with
Kermit-32 3.3.126. If the PC Kermit attempts to negotiate a 2K packet
size, the VAX's Kermit will accept this and then bomb out during
transfers. You might try "SET SEND PACKET 1000" and "SET RECEIVE
PACKET 1000" at both ends.
Regards,
Jim Fregin
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 12:33:41 EST
From: garber@aru.dom.uab.edu
Subject: kermit binary file transfers VAX to PC (V91 #29)
Re: my previous message regarding problems transferring binary files
from the VAX to the PC. I've gotten a number of responses, none of
which work. Let me go over again the problem, and summarize the
responses and their results.
Using DEC's Pathworks network, I've copied a binary file to my VAX
directory. For testing purposes, I've used TED.COM, a tiny editor
(size=2984). I log into the VAX using mskermit version 3.01. I start
kermit on the VAX (version 3.3.126), type "set file type binary", type
"server", get back to the mskermit, type "set file type binary", type
"get ted.com". The file transfers, but now has a file size of 3065,
and will not run (in fact, it locks up the system).
Suggested fixes:
From Joel Gallun and Roman Olynyk: Try setting FILE TYPE FIXED on the
VAX and FILE TYPE BINARY on the PC. Result: file size 3065.
From A. Whittaker: Set parity even on both ends, as mentioned in a
bwr file which comes with the mskermit 3.01 docs. Result: file size
3065.
Combinations of the above advice:
Parity set none:
VAX set binary, PC set binary: file size 3065
VAX set fixed, PC set binary: file size 3065
Parity set even:
VAX set binary, PC set binary: file size 3065
VAX set fixed, PC set binary: file size 3065
I suspect something else needs to be set properly on the VAX side,
since I used to be able to transfer binary files (a year or so ago),
but neither the VAX system manager or I have any idea what it is.
David W. Garber (garber@aru.dom.uab.edu)
Assistant Professor of Medicine
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 10:34:06 edt
From: "Newcomer, Don" <NEWCOMER%DICKINSN.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Kermit binary file transfers VAX to PC (V91 #29)
garber@aru.dom.uab.edu writes:
>I am trying to transfer binary files between a MicroVAX and a PC with
>little success. The kermit version on the VAX is 3.3.126, and on the
>PC is 3.01. I start kermit on the PC using LAT (and DECNet), log onto
>the VAX, start kermit on the VAX, type "set file type binary", type
>"server", alt-x back to the PC, type "get <filename>", and the file
>downloads. I have also tried typing "set file type binary" on the PC
>side as well. The transfered file has a larger file size, and won't
>run. It appears to have some material added to the end to the file.
>What am I doing wrong?
I have done this with files I've received over Bitnet. We're running
Joiner's JNET software. I do a RECEIVE/BINARY to get the file in
binary format. That's just FYI since I'm assuming you're on the
Internet. After that I do a CONVERT/FDL on the file to change to a
sequential, variable-length record file. Here's what the FDL file
looks like:
IDENT "14-MAR-1988 16:54:16 VAX-11 FDL Editor"
SYSTEM
SOURCE VAX/VMS
FILE
ALLOCATION 0
BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS yes
EXTENSION 0
ORGANIZATION sequential
RECORD
BLOCK_SPAN yes
CARRIAGE_CONTROL none
FORMAT variable
SIZE 0
After that you can go on with your binary Kermit transfers and it
should work fine. If you don't do the conversion, it won't work. Good
luck!
Don Newcomer
NEWCOMER@DICKINSN.BITNET
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 22:46:08 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject: Kermit binary file transfer VAX to PC (V91 #29)
You DO WANT to set BOTH Kermits in EVEN parity or it will go on
failing.
I repeat, you may set the ports on both machines as 8 bits no parity,
but you STILL ****MUST**** run both Kermits in EVEN (or maybe ODD, I
always use EVEN) software parity.
I lost one month trying to transfer such binary files (TeX raster
fonts) until Nelson Beebe from Utah told me to use EVEN parity. And I
did not trust him ... until after I had tried.
email.9mtadic,
Narode, odoh!
Od prekosutra (sreda) nalazim se u Freiburgu (Germany)
Ko hoce da se javi, adresa je
TADICčitt-sc.de
(ono iza TADIC je manki)
ili, za one koji imaju pristup X29 ;)))
62624576109315::CADCLU::TADIC
Puno pozdrava od Milana
email.10dejanr,
TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
FR: PUBLIC RELATIONS
RE: NEW CORPORATE IDENTITY
______________________________________________________________________________
Below is the news release issued to the press on Wednesday, March 20,1991.
If you would like an actual copy of the release, please contact public
relations.
______________________________________________________________________________
BRITISH TELECOM UNVEILS NEW WORLDWIDE CORPORATE IDENTITY
Merges BT Tymnet and BT Inc. into new "BT North America"
San Jose, California - March 20, 1991 QBritish Telecom unveiled its new global
corporate identity and trademark today at key locations around the world.
The new look combines the company's initials - "BT" - with a graphic
representation of a spirited herald sounding his trumpet. This figure is
recognized by many cultures and represents the spirit of communication.
BT's primary role is to provide effective two-way communication between the
company and its customers as well as speaking and listening to customers in an
understanding way. BT's new logo is therefore a combination of two figures -
the red figure listening and the blue speaking, brought together by BT's
technology and understanding of its customers. Combined, these elements
aimJsymbolically to signal the approach of a new era in telecommunications and
BT's pivotal place within it. The introduction of this new corporate identity
and trademark is a result of
BT's initiative of "Putting the Customer First" and in direct line with BT's
stated mission of becoming the world's leading telecommunications company.
"Putting the Customer First" is an initiative undertaken in April of last year
to reorganize and refocus the company around the needs of the customers and to
secure the company's position in a rapidly-changing global marketplace.
Effective March 31, 1991, BT Tymnet Inc., and British Telecom Inc. -- U.S.
subsidiaries of the parent company responsible for coordinating its activities
in North America -- will be merged under the name "BT North America." "It has
always been BT's intention to merge the activities here in North America into a
single unified organization that can effectively respond to our customers,"
said Mark Baker, president and CEO of BT North America. "The new corporate
identity in North America is not only a formalization of this process but a
demonstration of BT's commitment to the North American market and other
telecommunications markets outside the U.K."
The new corporate identity comes on the heels of OFTEL's (the Office of
Telecommunications) duopoly review which will effectively open the market in
the
United Kingdom to increased competition among telecommunications providers. A
direct result of this liberalization will be BT's emphasis on establishing
increased presence outside the U.K. and to focus additional efforts in markets
like North America.
BT employees in San Jose and New York previewed the new corporate identity
today
via a live satellite link to London inJwhich company Chairman Iain Vallance
discussed the company's strategic direction the decision for the new corporate
identity.
IMPLICATIONS IN NORTH AMERICA
Though BT Tymnet will cease to exist as a legal entity, TYMNET(R) will be
retained as the name of the worldwide physical network. TYMNET networking
products, services and technology will not change under the new organization.
This is due to the strong name recognition associated with TYMNET as well as
the
value-added network products and services delivered through the TYMNET Global
Network(. The TYMNET Global Network is a key vehicle by which BT will
penetrate
new markets throughout the world in the future and as it has done since the
acquisition of Tymnet (November, 1989).
BT Tymnet's products and services are now fully integrated into BT and are
available worldwide through the commercial and network infrastructure created
through the launch of BT's Global Network Services (September, 1990).
In addition, customers now have single point of contact, through a unified
nationwide sales force, for all British Telecom products and services
available
in North America, as well a central support group responsible for service
inquiries.
BRITISH TELECOMMUNICATIONS PLC
British Telecommunications plc (NYSE:BTY), generally known as British Telecom
or
BT, is a leading world player in telecommunications. It operates one of the
largest networks in the world and offers a wide range of international
services.
British Telecom has annual revenues over $20 billion and employs approximately
240,000 staff in 30 countries.
BT NORTH AMERICA
BT North America Inc., a wholly-owned unit of BT, is an international
value-added network and telecommunications supplier. Headquartered in San Jose,
California, the company owns and operates the world's largest value-added data
network - the TYMNET Global Network - which offers protocol conversion, LAN
interconnectivity, error-protection, enhanced security features, electronic
data
interchange (EDI), card services, and electronic messaging. The company
provides public, private and hybrid network solutions through 4,500 nodes
operated worldwide. Additionally, the company offers international voice,
integrated trading systems, data communications equipment, optoelectronics
products and voice messaging. The company employs approximately 1,700
personnel
in North America.
email.11zonjic,
Moze li neko da mi objasni nesto vise u vezi sa EARN-om u
Beogradu ( delatnost, itd.) .
Jako cesto vidjam to ime, ali nemam jasnu predstavu o njemu.
Rade
email.12mirr,
Povodom Dejanovog clanka u predhodnim R imam par pitanja.
Da li je moguce preko NOTES-a chat-ovati sa nekim udaljenim cvorom? Da li je
ikako moguce chatovati sa udaljenim cvorom sa VAX-a 78?
Pozdrav,
mirr
email.13dejanr,
-> #12, mirr>> Da li je moguce preko NOTES-a chat-ovati sa nekim udaljenim cvorom?
>> Da li je ikako moguce chatovati sa udaljenim cvorom sa VAX-a 78?
Moguće je, ali ne preko NOTES. Kažeš PHONE CVOR::KORISNIK (ili
PHONE DIR CVOR da bi video koga uopšte tamo ima) i onda, ako on(a)
prihvati poziv, pričate. O ovome je bilo dosta reči u drugom nastavku
serije tekstova o email-u.
email.14erol,
▀ Ciao Sezam-narode,
Imam burazera u Americi (Detroit), radi na fakultetu, i ostavio mi je
sljedecu E-mail adresu:
"KARABEG @ ZELA.ASC.OAKLAND.EDU"
Ako neko zna kako da doprem do njega (modemom naravno) molim za pomoc.
Unaprijed hvala
erol :(
email.15dejanr,
-> #14, erol>> "KARABEG @ ZELA.ASC.OAKLAND.EDU"
Treba ti račun na nekom vax-u vezanom u DECNET. Onda kažeš:
MAIL
SEND
UBBG::IN%"KARABEG@ZELA.ASC.OAKLAND.EDU"
i uneseš poruku...
email.16erol,
-> #15, dejanr Puno ti hvala.
MMMM erol
email.17zonjic,
-> #14, erol
Erole, ako mozes najjeftinije bi ti bilo da zatrazis racun
na Univer. biblioteci u Sarajevu (NUBSA::)posto ja ne znam da li u
MO ima vaxova, pa jos u DECnet-u...
Mozda Dejan da ti nabavi adresu biblioteke.
email.18dejanr,
Da li je neko slao ZIP fajl sa UBBG na neki drugi računar a da je to stiglo u
jednom komadu? Ne mislim sa COPY nego recimo negde u USA itd, kao što radi
listserv?
Kakva su iskustva?
email.19zonjic,
-> #18, dejanrJa sam bezuspesno pokusao da sa BUEF__ posaljem mail-om (jer
drugacije NE ZNAM) .ZIP fajl useru na UBBG-u...
Moze li neko da mi objasni proceduru (generalno...) ?
Rade
email.20zonjic,
-> #19, zonjicEvo, sam sebi da odgovorim...
Uspeo sam da posaljem xxx.ZIP prijatelju na UBBG. I to na sledeci nacin :
PD programom MFTU.EXE sam ENCODE-ovao file, zatim sam ga poslao kao obican mail
(program pretvara klasican 512 byte block file u textfile) , a prijatelj ga je
(istim programom) DECODE-ovao. To su ujedno i jedine 2 naredbe koje su vam
potrebne.
Ah, da racunar nije bio UBBG vec BUEFGX, ali sumnjam da ima razlike ;)
Ovde ostavljam MFTU.EXE ( exe file za VAX-a !), pa recite ako vam je
koristio...
Rade
mftu.exeemail.21djovicevic,
-> #18, dejanr> Da li je neko slao ZIP fajl sa UBBG na neki drugi racunar
> a da je to stiglo u jednom komadu? Ne mislim sa COPY nego recimo
> negde u USA itd, kao sto radi listserv?
Ja sam uspeo, ali samo ako je primalac na BITNET mrezi, za
Internet nikako ne ide. To sam uradio na sledeci nacin:
1. Uz pomoc ZMODEM protokola, opcija -b, prenesem binarni fajl
(*.ZIP) na svoj direktorijum EARN$USERS:[EJOVICEV].
2. Iz VMS-a izdam naredbu:
$ SEND/FILE/BINARY/NETDATA ime_fajla user@node
i fajl stigne gde treba. Ako je rec o tekstualnom fajlu izbacuje
se opcija /BINARY. Obicno sam slao u USA coveku koji je
na BITNET-u. Za Internet bi trebalo pronaci neki gateway ovde
u Evropi i probati sa oblikom adrese "user%domain@gateway", no
ja ne znam takav gateway pa nisam ni probao.
Da li neko mozda zna?
D.J.
email.22dejanr,
==========
security/main #1543, from gmussar, 4012 chars, Thu Jun 20 22:03:27 1991
Comment(s).
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TITLE: Will the Spooks try to shut down the Internet?
I received the following message on the IETF mailing list on the net.
I thought it might spark some discussion here.
-------
From: karn@thumper.bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn)
To: ietf@ISI.EDU
Subject: Heads up - proposed new export controls
The article "Computer Makers Worried By Curb on Software Export" by John
Markoff appeared in the New York Times on May 22. If the new controls it
describes come to pass, the implications for the Internet could be extremely
serious.
Rather than type in the entire article, I will quote the first two and the
last paragraphs.
"Export restrictions on software that transfers data among computers have
been tightened in the wake of the Persian Gulf war because United States
military and intelligence officials were dismayed by the difficulty the
allies had in destroying Iraq's command and control computer links.
"The software, widely available from American and foreign manufacturers,
makes modern computer networks reliable and resistant to attack by rerouting
messages in a network automatically after any single link has been
destroyed.
[...]
"The communications technologies at issue are referred to as "datagram",
"fast select" and "dynamic adaptive routing", and are used in many modern
computer networks. They are hardware and software systems that make data
communications highly reliable and permit networks to reroute information
around damaged network links."
Although the article does not specifically mention TCP/IP or the Internet,
it does mention DECNET as one of the affected technologies. It doesn't take
much of a leap of logic to see that TCP/IP would be just as affected.
(Consider who sponsored its early development, and the motivations behind
its datagram-oriented design). Even lowly RIP could be considered as a
"dynamic adaptive routing" algorithm that would be verboten under the new
rules - to say nothing of OSPF, or even BGP and EGP.
A few hours ago I spoke with a lawyer who specializes in export control and
is familiar with these proposed regulations. He confirms that they are
planned to go into effect on September 1, and the full text is supposed to
appear in the Federal Register sometime next month. He adds that there is an
exception to the new controls for systems that only provide LAN capabilities
- apparently the idea is to control gateways to wide area networks, not the
nodes on an office network.
I don't have to explain to anyone on this list why these proposed
regulations are unenforceable, overbroad, ineffective and downright silly,
but that hasn't kept the government from passing similar rules in the past
and using intimidation to keep them in place (controls on public domain
versions of DES come to mind).
One glimmer of hope that I see is that these new rules would be administered
by the Commerce Dept through its "Core List" (the successor to the Commodity
Control List), as opposed to cryptography, which is considered a munition
and administered by the State Dept. The Commerce Department has established
a "general export license" for otherwise controlled information and software
that they consider to be in the "public domain" (a definition they make
which is somewhat different than the usual meaning - basically it means that
the item must be freely and widely available to the public for the cost of
copying, whether or not it is technically copyrighted.) My own KA9Q
software, along with the Berkeley networking distribution and many ancillary
packages (such as Cornell's gated) would seem to fall into this category, so
these could continue to be freely exported even while a proprietary product
(a Cisco router, for example) would require an export license.
Indeed, I've been getting an increasing amount of mail from the USSR with
questions about the usage of my software - apparently it is becoming quite
popular over there.
If we don't want to have the Internet ripped out from under us, this issue
bears very close watching.
email.23djovicevic,
<<< CATHY::NET$:[NOTES]E_MAIL.NOTE;1 >>>
-< Electronic mail >-
===============================================================================
=
Note 17.50 BITNET/EARN/NETNORTH 50 of
50
BUEF78::ZVONKO "Zvonko Orsolic, RcEtfBgd" 8 lines 2-JUL-1991
16:31
-< Prekid EARN veze sa svetom >-
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-
Obavestavam vas da trenutno niste u stanje da svoje poruke
prosledite putem EARN mreze jer je, od jutros u 7.00, negde
u Sloveniji prekinuta iznajmljena veza Beograd - Linz.
Zvonko Orsolic, UBBG::ZVONKO
Elektrotehnicki fakultet
Beograd
email.24dejanr,
-> #23, djovicevicEARN sada radi. Ali, ponekad ima prekida u mreži. Mada, uz malo
upornosti, sve radi.
email.25hohlacov,
rz
B00000000000000
Da li neko možda zna šta se ovo dešava sa UBBG-om ?
Juče (petak) sam normalno slao e-mail i sve je radilo OK.
Danas se prikačim na VAX-a i dobijem sledeću poruku:
Local> c ubbg
Local -010- Session 1 to UBBG established
%JBC-F-PRCREAT, error creating process
Local -011- Session 1 disconnected from UBBG
Local>
Zvao sam RC ETF-a telefonom i rečeno mi je da računar radi i da
ne znaju u čemu je stvar mada su im se već ljudi javljali danas
sa istim problemom. Još mi je rečeno da danas nema ni jednog
programera u RC-u koji bi mogao eventualno da vidi šta je u pitanju.
Da li su u pitanju povremeni prikidi o kojima je reč u poruci 11.24 ?
Unapred zahvalan, Đorđe.
email.26dejanr,
-> #25, hohlacovDanas je oko 14h UBBG normalno radio, sad sam probao da ga zovem sa
RCUM-a (do koga idem preko JUPAK-a) i ista priča, error creating
process.
Verovatno će to srediti ovi' dana (ili sati).
email.27dejanr,
==========
security/long.messages #115, from cames, 5936 chars, Wed Jul 10 00:13:04 1991
Comment to 114.
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ELECTRONIC FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Dave Hughes
Prepared Remarks for the Computers, Freedom
and Privacy Conference, March 28th, 1991.
I have been online for probably 5 hours a day for the past
10 years. At my own expense, as an individual. I have read at
least 20 million words online during that time, and have produced
probably a million of my own. And have operated a series of
online systems from free BBSs to my current globally
interconnected subscription, as well as free, conferencing system
While my body lives in a delightful small place called Old
Colorado City at the foot of Pikes Peak, which this microcomputer
helped build, my mind lives and works in many virtual communities
around the world.
I use this technology for the serious work of building and
defining the future. Personally, economically, politically,
educationally, technologically, culturally. I am a Citizen of the
Western Frontier of the Information Age. And from my 63 years of
experience with the ways of the world and communications with
those who live in it, I have formed a few strong opinions about
how it should function. In the few minutes we all have here I
will just stress one major point.
If you do not live in the future as I do, then read my
cursor.
The first principle which I fiercely hold and will
vigerously defend is that what I and others online are largely
doing that is unprecedented in law, regulation or the general
cultures of the past is speech.
Electronic speech. Dialogue. Electronic debate. Discourse.
Whether on the simplist local bulletin board run by a hacker,
the largest corporate telecommunications service like Prodigy or
Compuserve, on my own systems owned as a small business, or
through the Internet to Japan funded by the National Science
Foundation. From my riding hard to the electronic assistance of
one of my sons in China at the height of Tianamen Square by
alligator clips, cursor, Kermit and Procomm, to the connecting up
of my tiny grandaughters in Seattle to global Barbie Net, to
determining the outcome of elections in Colorado Springs by acts
of Electronic Democracy exercised from the 1st booth in Rogers
Bar which is equipped with RJ11 jacks at the booths, or dialing
into the Well here in California to take back the best ideas to
apply to my neighborhood, while leaving the rest of this crazy
state, insufferable congestion, amd wierd values behind.
And when this summer I am riding in the high country above
Cody Wyoming with my western saddle, I am equipping with an LCD
on the top of the roping horn, buttons on each side, and packet
radio in the saddle bags, it will still be speech.
It may be the fingers of the tongue for the ear of the eye.
But it is still speech.
Discussion. Not for the production of permanent records, or
copyrighted material, or legal statements. But for mind to mind
communication.
We had better think very clearly in applying those first
political principles of this nation to the governance of virtual
societies we all will living in.
When I think about the relationship of the future I live in,
to the past of this nation it occurs to me that Benjamin Franklin
would have been the first owner of a microcomputer - undoubtedly
an Apple.
Thomas Jefferson would have written the Declaration of
Independence on an IBM PC in Word Perfect 5.1.
But, by heavens, Tom Paine would have first published Common
Sense on a pirate bulletin-board with a Commodore 64.
I don't want any Corporate or Government Kings George
treading on my cursor.
We must have absolute freedom of electronic speech.
Legally we do not need to confuse data as speech, with data
as property. Or confuse either of those with computers and
networks as place, or premises.
We whose bodies may live in the disappearing physical
frontiers of America, but whose ride out on the perpetual
frontier of the electronic west, do not want to fenced in by
regulation or law which prematurely tries to settle this
territory. Or consolidate a political, economic, social, cultural
revolution that has barely gotton started before we understand
it.
I am uneasy about what seems to be an implicit assumption of
this conference. Which is that we need to rush to legislation.
Some of us can take care of ourselves, using, believe it or
not, our personal computers to defend ourselves.
Over 100 years ago my grandfather on the plains of Colorado
used twin Colt .44s which were called the Great Equalizers.
In Old Colorado City, I use my laptop computer and modem as
Great Equalizers to shoot it out on any political street with the
most powerful interests in town. I haven't had to call the
Marshal yet.
So while I appreciate much that I have heard here so far
in this admirable effort to bridge the gap between the free
spirited cowboy hackers and the marshals of authority, be careful
about the assumption that we need to DO something, even before we
know what the natural laws of electronic communities might be.
And while public human group activity will have to be
redefined legally on account of the new technologies of the mind
I am confident that we in America already have the precedences
in, law, shared values, and daily practice for issues of
property, publication, privacy and speech, in the Information Age
so long as we concentrate on the activites, motivations and
purposes of the people connected to these machines and not just
the machines themselves, we can handle it.
Thats enough for now. We can continue in the discussion. And
I am always online somewhere in the world, singing my ascii songs.
But bring your cursor. For Gutenburg is dead and I am trying
to bury the old bastard. I cannot be found on paper, only
screens.
See ya online, pardner. Together we can make this new
country work. Just beware of those suits from Washington or
sandles from California.
email.28zonjic,
Danas je u 'Politici' izasao clanak o 'prodoru' Instituta Jozef
Stefan iz LJubljane u EARN (European Academic Research Network). Naime,
u clanku se kaze da od pocetka sukoba u Sloveniji ljudi iz jednog odeljenja
Instituta prosto zasipaju svetsku tehnicku javnost 'tragicnim' vestima iz
Slovenije.
Trebalo bi reci da to 'filovanje' 'najnovijih vesti iz prve ruke'
iz Slovenije i Hrvatske ne traje od pocetka oruzanog sukoba u Sloveniji, vec
da je pocelo mnogo ranije, da su se na razne adrese (pojedinacne, ali i
grupnih korisnika) slale vesti, pogledi na razne situacije, apeli profesora
pa cak i ministara na svetsku (ne samo tehnicku) javnost.
Nebi bilo u redu osudjivati pravo coveka da o svemu ima izgradjen
stav, kao ni pravo coveka da taj stav napise (izgovori), na kraju krajeva
svi smo mi proizvod svoje sredine, i kao takvi imamo u vecini pogled svoje
sredine. Medjutim, bilo bi u redu, da ne kazem i stvarno potrebno, osudjivati
neodgovornost i pasivnost ljudi koji su u stanju (imaju mogucnosti) da drugu
sliku te iste stvarnosti svetu predoce, a to ne cine.
Ja, zaista, s obzirom da imam 19 godina i da sam samo student prve
godine ETF-a, nemam neke velike mogucnosti da nesto poradim za 'opstu polzu'.
Takodje, ja ne mogu tacno da kazem ko je taj ko nista ne cini (da lokalizujem
'sabotere' :), kao ni da tim ljudima kazem da to cine i da to treba da cine i
da to moraju da cine.
Mogu, samo, da predocim par cinjenica koje su mozda ovde manje-vise
poznate.
1. Za sve nase ljude koji se nalaze u inostranstvu, a koji imaju
pristup nekoj svetskoj mrezi za prenos podataka organizuje se re-
dovno slanje informacija iz zemlje putem e_maila (el. poste). Razlike
su, medjutim, sledece:
- Iz Zagreba taj posao obavlja INSTITUCIJA (Institut Informatickih
Znanosti), poveren je jednom coveku iz instituta, a ceo posao se
obavlja u saradnji sa velikim info-organizacijama (VJESNIK, HINA,
TANJUG...). Ovaj 'kanal' izuzetno je organizovan sto je sigurno pos-
ledica velikog ucesca tamosnjeg drustva (drzave?)
- Iz Beograda taj posao obavljaju dva studenta Elektrotehnickog fa-
kulteta (Aleksandar Bakic i Srdjan Pantic) VOLUNTARISTICKI (BEZ
IKAKVE NAKNADE). Ovaj kanal krenuo je relativno skoro, ali i pored
voluntarizma slanje vesti je izuzetno redovno (CAK I U VREME ISPITNIH
ROKOVA!!!), a kolicina informacija ide i do preko 100kb dnevno(!).
Razlika ovog kanala u odnosu na prethodni je u sledecem : DRUSTVO (re-
levantni faktori) U SRBIJI JEDNOSTAVNO NEMA POJMA ZA ELEKTRONSKI CASO-
PIS "BECT", prikupljanje informacija obavlja se na najrazlicitije na-
cine (do skora je jedini izvor info-a bila studentska manufaktura-pro-
citaj novine, pa prekucaj zanimljivo, a u poslednje vreme ova dva momka
BUKVALNO OBIJAJU redakcije BG-info kuca za informacije, pa svojim ske-
nerima skeniraju, zatim sredjuju i salju).
Mislim da bi zarad svih nas bilo bolje da istina o Srbiji(nepristrasna,
nepartijska) stigne do svih u svetu. However, interesovanje okoline za
to je ispod svakog kriterijuma.
2. Pritisak clanova BIX-a iz Slovenije gotovo je neverovatan ovih dana.
Interesantno je da se iz Beograda kao JEDINI covek koji neistine o
Srbiji pobija javlja Dejan Veselinovic i to cak PREKO TUDJE SIFRE.
Samo se nadam da na ovo necete reci :"Pa ko mu je kriv, sto ne plati
tih 120$ i plus telefon do USA". Pristup BIXena iz Slovenije je najces-
ce 'filovanje' najnovijim vestima o krvoprolicu u SL od strane srpskih
generala (vidjali smo izvode na sezamu), kao i stvaranje stereotipa o
neradnim Srbima koji hoce da zive na racun marljivih Slovenaca.
3. U soc.culture.yugoslavia (nesto poput sezamovske GROUP-e) vec duze
vreme 'nasi' studenti, poslediplomci i profesori u inostranstvu
kojima je SCY prvenstveno i namenjen, iznose svoja misljenja o stanju u
YU, politici, itd... U poslednje vreme se na par mesta (clanaka) mogao
procitati npr. Apel Profesora et al sa Sveucilista u ZG, ili Apel Mi-
nistra Rep. Slovenije (mislim za nauku) sa naslutljivim ili iz stampe
poznatim sadrzajima. U isto vreme iz Srbije nije bilo ni jedne poru-
ke (mozda i zbog nemogucnosti direktnog pristupa SCY, ali se moglo
zamoliti nekoga ko pristup USENETu ima da poruku prosledi).
4. Ne treba zanemariti individualni pritisak na prijatelje i kolege
(od 1.-3. su bili 'kolektivni') u inostranstvu koji se za samo par mi-
nuta moze (barem pokusati) ostvariti.
Ovim sam, samo, hteo da pokazem neke primere koriscenja elektronske
poste, a ne niti da predlozim nesto ni da osudim nekoga. Mozda ce prvi komen-
tar na ovo biti 'Pa sta radi ta Vlada' ili 'Pa dobro, gde su Autoriteti Srbije
u raznim oblastima' ili 'Sta rade ti BIXeni', ali oni su na vama...
Radivoje Zonjic
email.29djovicevic,
Evo jednog dokumenta, koji su sve clanice EARN-a, pa time i Jugoslavija,
obavezne da potpisu, pre nego sto dobiju pristup mrezi. Posebno obratite
paznju na tacku 3.0. Sa te strane gledano, mnoge stvari koje se zbivaju
na mrezi nisu u redu. Pozdrav
Dragan
**********************************************************************
EARN
EARN Document
Title: EARN charter
Author(s): A Cohen, F Greisen
Date: 1990/08/20
Committee: BOD
Document: BOD30 90 EARN-MIN LISTSERV@UKACRL
Revision: 6
Supersedes: EXEC27 90
Status: Final
Maintainer: A Cohen
Access: Unrestricted
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Approved at BOD meeting 24.
EARN Charter
August 1990
1.0 EARN OBJECTIVES
___________________
EARN (European Academic and Research Network) is a com-
puter network open to all universities, educational, aca-
demic and research institutions and organizations.
The objective of EARN is to provide an information exchange
system to satisfy the need for international academic and research
cooperation and the fast, unrestricted exchange of data between
the members of the academic and research community, for
academic, scientific, educational and research purposes.
2.0 EARN MEMBERSHIP
___________________
EARN members are institutions in Europe, the Middle East or
Africa. In addition, EARN members are institutions respon-
sible for at least one node of EARN, who are able and
willing to support communications with other EARN members.
A node is a computer system, connected to the main EARN
network directly or via a National Research Network with
an agreed EARN Gateway, which is able to send, receive and
distribute files, messages, mail and jobs, using appropriate
communication standards and protocols as specified by EARN.
2.1 Country Eligibility
Any country in Europe, the Middle East or Africa is eligible
to connect to EARN as a FULL COUNTRY member and to nominate
one director to the EARN Board of Directors.
FULL COUNTRY members of EARN are considered to have the same
status within EARN, independent of the size or implementa-
tion of their national network.
Any other country is eligible to connect as a COOPERATING COUNTRY
and to nominate an observer to the EARN Board of Directors.
Requests for EARN membership from the first institution or
the national research network for FULL COUNTRY or COOPERATING
COUNTRY members should be directed to the Office of the
President of EARN.
Admission of all new COUNTRY members of EARN requires a de-
cision by the EARN Board of Directors.
2.2 Institute Eligibility
All universities, institutes of higher learning, academic
research and non-commercial research institutions
within COUNTRY members of EARN are eligible to be FULL IN-
STITUTE members of the EARN Association. Requests for FULL
INSTITUTE membership are handled and decided upon by the
EARN Director in the respective country.
Other institutions or organizations with significant
links to academic institutions are eligible to become
ASSOCIATE INSTITUTE members.
Secondary and vocational schools are eligible to become
AFFILIATE INSTITUTE members.
2.3 Application
The member of the EARN Board of Directors in each country
decides on applications for FULL INSTITUTE, ASSOCIATE
INSTITUTE or AFFILIATE INSTITUTE membership according to
the regulations established by the Board. Acceptance of ASSOCIATE
INSTITUTE membership must be reported to the EARN Board of
Directors.
For a period of 60 days, any EARN Director can appeal the
acceptance of an ASSOCIATE INSTITUTE member. In the case of
an appeal, the EARN Board of Directors will vote on whether
to permit acceptance or not.
2.4 Disconnection
Any COUNTRY or COOPERATING COUNTRY may request disconnection
from EARN, provided a six month warning is supplied.
The EARN Board of Directors may request the disconnection of
any FULL or COOPERATING COUNTRY from EARN, provided a warn-
ing is supplied, according to Article 7 of the Statutes.
3.0 EARN USAGE
______________
All use of EARN must be to the benefit of academia and
non-commercial research. No commercial use, political
activism or religious activism, whether direct or indirect,
is permitted.
All users of an EARN node should be permitted to access EARN
provided that their use is consistent with the Charter and
the Code of Conduct of the EARN Association.
3.1 Communication with other Computer Networks
The members of the EARN Association agree to restrict their
communications to other networks via agreed upon gateways
and according to the regulations agreed upon between the
Association and these networks.
3.2. Responsibilities
All INSTITUTE members shall take all reasonable precautions
to ensure that users of their computing facilities abide by
these rules and any other regulations governing the use
of EARN as the EARN Board of Directors shall introduce.
- All COUNTRY members shall install and take responsibility
for at least one telecommunications connection to an existing
EARN COUNTRY member, providing permanent access to EARN services.
- All COUNTRY members shall allow at least one other COUNTRY
member of EARN to install a link to one of their FULL INSTI-
TUTE nodes.
- All INSTITUTE members shall allow traffic destined for other
nodes (both within the country and without), to transit their
node(s), without restrictions other than those that
may be necessary due to exceptional traffic conditions and
without charge other than to compensate for the cost of an
international connection.
All country members are expected to comply with the rules
laid out in the "EARN Directives and Recommendations".
3.3 Caveats
EARN does not guarantee the security, the confidentiality or
the integrity of the data and messages sent on the EARN
network. It is the user's responsibility to protect their
computer systems and to secure data transmissions on the
network that concern them by all means they feel appropriate
No EARN COUNTRY member nor any INSTITUTE member shall be
held responsible for unintentional damage that its use of the
network may cause to other members.
4.0 EARN REGULATIONS
____________________
Regulations governing the connection to, access to and the
use of EARN and EARN Services are determined by the EARN
Board of Directors.
A decision of the EARN Board concerning the membership of
EARN, the regulations governing EARN and any other matter
concerning EARN shall be complied with by all members.
4.1. EARN Board of Directors
The EARN Board of Directors shall comprise one Director
from each FULL COUNTRY member, along with one observer from
each COOPERATING COUNTRY member.
The EARN Board of Directors may coopt additional members to
the Board as appropriate.
The FULL INSTITUTE members in each EARN country shall deter-
mine by themselves the method of choosing their EARN Direc-
tor.
The EARN Board of Directors workplan and decision making
process are based upon the Statutes and the Operating
Procedures of EARN.
4.2. Voting
Each FULL COUNTRY member is entitled to one vote on all EARN
de cisions. COOPERATING COUNTRY members are not entitled to a
vote. The rules for voting are covered in the Operational
Procedures of EARN.
4.3. Costs
Every FULL and COOPERATING COUNTRY member will be required
to pay annual dues to cover the costs of EARN. Each
country's share of the costs will be determined by decisions
of the Board of Directors of EARN.
5.0 EARN RELATED DOCUMENTS
__________________________
EARN Code of Conduct
EARN Directives and Recommendations
EARN Operational Procedures
EARN Statutes
email.30dejanr,
-> #29, djovicevic>> All use of EARN must be to the benefit of academia and
>> non-commercial research. No commercial use, political
>> activism or religious activism, whether direct or indirect,
>> is permitted.
Hmmm... sasvim si u pravu, sa te strane je ovakva upotreba mreže
zaista "provala" u sistem.
Ali opet, sa druge strane, primao sam i ja preko EARN-a svakavih
poruka i od Amera koje nemaju nikakve veze sa "research", kako
komerc. tako i nekomerc. A oni žive u pravnoj državi, šta onda
za nas ostaje ? ;)
email.31vule,
-> #30, dejanrDa, slušao sam i ja svašta na mreži, ali moraš uzeti u obzir
da na mrežama ima prebrojivo mnogo ali ipak MNOGO računara koji
niti su svi potpisali neka slična dokumenta, niti im EARN regulations
nešto znače jer su na nekim drugim nekomercijalnim, komercijalnim,
akademskim, privatnim, entuzijastičkim, spontanim ili bilo kojim
drugim mrežama, a poruke stižu kroz ko zna koje gatewaye. Tu je još
i nepovredivost privatne pošte što znači da za čitanje nečijih
sranja, makar bila patološka, možeš da izvučeš i deblji kraj!
Ovo naravno ne važi za konferencije, ali ja do sada nisam uspeo
da shvatim da li se vršljanje naših prijatelja sa CATHYja radi
privatno ili javno? To bitno menja stvari...
Pozdrav Vule
email.32dejanr,
Na BIX-u se pojavio SOURCE programa PGP10 pod imenom PGP10SRC.ZIP u
oblasti Security. Na žalost, meni download preko VAX-ova jako slabo
ide, a preko Jupak-a mi ne bi oprostili takav račun (oko 200K) :(
Ukratko, ako neko ima načina, ova arhiva bi bila vrlo rado viđena
na Sezamu. Da, program je pisan u C-u.
email.33glisin,
Hips!
Jel neko može ovde da ostavi (ili mi kaže gde je ako je bio) spisak nodova
na koje se čovek može kačiti sa VAX-a?
Ja znam BUEF78, BUEFQ5, BUEFGX, UBBG, RCUM i UNSIM (koliko se sećam). E,
interesuje me još. Drugo, za koje od tih nodova nije upotrebljivo raditi sa
PHOHE DIAL (nego je korisnije PHOME MAIL)?
I treće, kako se chantranje i mailovanje sa drugim nodovima (daljim ;) )
odražava na EPS-ove ili nešto drugo?
To je to.
*** IGGY ***
email.35zonjic,
-> #33, glisinKada si u VMS-u otkucaj komandu show network (ili sh net).
Pogledaj, takodje, help show. Jako je interesantno...
email.36dejanr,
-> #33, glisin>> Jel neko može ovde da ostavi (ili mi kaže gde je ako je bio) spisak
>> nodova na koje se čovek može kačiti sa VAX-a?
Kaži SHOW NET, eto ih mali milion.
>> I treće, kako se chantranje i mailovanje sa drugim nodovima (daljim ;) )
>> odražava na EPS-ove ili nešto drugo?
Ništa posebno, trošiš procesorsko vreme i baferovane I/O. Ništa više.
email.37glisin,
-> #34, .bale.
>> ===============================
>> 11.34 KOMUNIKACIJE:email * Poništio moderator
>> .bale., 01.08.žet 01:33, 141 chr
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
:O
A šta je tako "grozno" mogao reći na pitanje o nodovima?
*** IGGY ***
email.38glisin,
-> #35, zonjic
>> Kada si u VMS-u otkucaj komandu show network (ili sh net).
HVALA!
email.39glisin,
-> #36, dejanr
>> Ništa posebno, trošiš procesorsko vreme i baferovane I/O. Ništa više.
I tebi HVALA!
email.40glisin,
Hips!
Pitao sam VAX-a za one nodove i dobio listu. Malo sam se raspitivao ko
radi tamo i dobio da su mi neki nedohvatljivi. Al bože moj. Nego: šta je šta
u onoj tabeli koja se ispiše. Izgleda ovako:
Node Links Cost Hops Next Hop to Node
3.174 BUEF78 2 0 0 (Local) -> 3.174 BUEF78
...
...
Zanima me šta je koja kolona.
Dva: kako za određeni čvor da saznam gde je, koja je mašina u pitanju i
tako to. Recimo znam da se nod zove SNOOPY ali ništa više ne znam. Ima li
neki info ili nešto slično?
*** IGGY ***
email.41zonjic,
-> #40, glisinPa bre Iggy, otkucaj help komanda. Imas JEZIVO MOCAN HELP NA VAXovima!!!
Ime noda ti je BUEF78, a ako te mnoogo zanima resto, kupi knjigu Vodic za
VAX/VMS (Vinca je izdala...)
email.42bulaja,
Nesto su me svi spopali zadnjih dana (s'o bas mene :) da napisem
nesto o radu sa bitnetom i ftp-ovima, so here it is:
Trickle │
────────┘
Sa trickleom se radi tako sto mu posaljete mail na adresu
trickle@awiwuw11.bitnet (kod slanja maila subject ostavite prazan), a
u okviru poruke komande koje bogu biti ili /pddir ili /pdget ili
/help. Sa /help dobijate help datoteku koja je prikacena uz ovu
poruku, tako da se a tim ne morate truditi (sem ako help nije u
medjuvremenu promenjen, ovaj je negde iz marta).
/pddir
──────
Bez argumenata daje spisak osnovnih direktorijuma. Trenutno su to
MSDOS, MSDOS2, UUNET, WUARCHIVE, CPM, MISC i sl, ali vam je za PC
programe najvazniji MSDOS (MSDOS2 je skoro prazan).
Da bi ste videli spisak poddirektorijuma u msdos, u mail cete
staviti komandu:
/pddir <msdos>
A spisak datoteka u nekom msdos poddirektorijumu cete dobiti sa:
/pddir <msdos.direktorijum> , npr. /pddir <msdos.abc>
/pdget
──────
Sa /pdget <direktorijum>datoteka (opcije) naredjujete tricklu (a on
vas slusa) da vam posalje datoteku koju zelite. Npr.
/pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe
ce vam poslati datoteku pkzip110.exe iz direktorijuma msdos.zip.
Trickle ce vam poslati mail sa obavestenjem da ce vam datoteka biti
poslata, i onda ostaje samo da je cekate, sto nekad moze da potraje i
nedelju dana. Kada stigne datoteka, primicete je iz VAXovog receive,
tj. otkucacete receive i dobiti nesto poput:
$ receive
Files for EUDAV:
....
spisak datoteka koje su stigle
...
RECEIVE>
Iz RECEIVE> prompta otkucacete
RECEIVE>receive /bin filename
i onda ce je VAX iz receive buffera prebaciti u vas direktorijum.
Mozete dodati jos i opciju /nodel (nodelete) koja ce file prebaciti u
dir, ali ga nece brisati iz receive buffera.
Ukoliko je datoteka koju vam trickle posalje suvise duga, bice
podeljena u vise delova i kontrolnu datoteku bitctrl ili tako nekako,
i tako poslato. E posle sa tim delovima treba nesto da se radi da se
spoje tj. treba neki program za VAXa koji se spominje u 3kl_help, ali
ja nikako niusam uspeo da provalim sta se radi, pa sa delovima koji su
mi stigli nisam uspeo nista da uradim. Zato vam preporucujem da
obavezno (kao sto i ja radim) koristite (SF (send file) opciju
/pdget-a, koja oznacava da vam file bude poslat ceo tj. u jednom delu.
Dakle, umesto onog /pdget-a u primeru gore, otkucacete:
/pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe (SF
Jos jedna opcija prilikom slanja je (UUE koja ce vam datoteku
poslati UU kodiranu, a takve datoteke dobijate kao mail poruke (imate
UU dekoder u r:\com). Ovo vam treba ukoliko vas username na vaxu nema
mogucnost receiv-a, ali je sa ovim dosta teze raditi.
U mailu koji saljete tricklu moze biti i vise komandi, npr.
/pddir <msdos>
/pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe (SF
/pdget <msdos.abc>xyz.ijk (SF
...
Kada sa receive primite datoteku, bice jos uvek neupotrebljiva, iz
razloga sto VAX na kraju svakog bloka (svaki 513. bajt) ubaci CR
(carriage return). Da biste ovo izbacili mozete ili da napisete
program (a valjda ga ima i ovde negde u konferenciji) koji izbacuje
svaki 513. bajt, ili da izvrsite sledecu proceduru na VAX-u:
$ analyze /rms /fdl file.zip
$ edit /fdl file
Sada ce vam se pojaviti maska FDL editora, a vi cete redom
pritiskati tastere (<Enter> na kraju svakog reda):
M
R
CA
N
Ctrl-Z
E
sto redom znaci Modify - Record - CArrigage_control - Ctrl-Z - Exit
Sada jos samo dajte:
# convert /fdl=file.fdl file.zip file.zip
pobrisite sve fdl fileove (bice file.fdl;1 i file.fdl;2) i prvu
verziju zip datoteke (file.zip;1, prethodno za svaki slucaj proverite
da li je napravljena datoteka file.zip;2) i ostace vam samo ispravna
zip datoteka. Sad je samo prebacite na PC zmodemom, kermitom il' sta
vec koristite i to je to.
──────────
Thats'all za trickle server, ako vam nesto nije jasno pitajte, a
imate trickle-ov help kao datoteku uz ovu poruku.
Za ftp cu nesto napisati sledeci put.
Bulaja
email.43zonjic,
-> #42, bulaja O, bulajo!
Inšalah, bismilah!
O, sunce koje sijaš i kroz najcrnje oblake,
o, mesecu na nebu koji vodiš putnika u noći,
o, najveći među velikima,
o, DEMOKRATO!
Hvala ti na ovomu prilogu! Opetovano ti se zahvaljujem i
blagodarim!
rz
email.44viktor,
-> #42, bulajaZdravo,
Hteo sam samo da kazem da ako koristite opciju (uue ili
(xxe sve ono oko analyze i slicno je sasvim nepotrebno, tj.
dovoljno je uraditi ili receive ili samo extract iz mail-a
i to lepo uredno obeleziti kao ###1.uue,###2.uue itd.
primiti na svoj PC i samo otkucati uudecode ###1.uue a on
ce sam dalje da ih trazi redom...
Dalje, daleko je lakse primati sa VAX-a na PC ASCII
datoteku jer ako se prijem prekine editorom na VAX-u
napravite sledece "parce" sa odgovarajucim brojem i primate
samo njega, UUE tj XXE kodirane datoteke smeju imati ma
kako secene parcice samo linije moraju ostati cele...
Ja primam datoteke vec duze vreme na taj nacin i nikada
nisam probao ovo sa analyze jer mi se cinilo uvek tezim i
neizvesnijim da primam binarne datoteke u odnosu na one
ascii ..
Dakle, cini mi se da je tako lakse...no verovatno nesto
propustam ...
Pozdrav,
Viktor.
email.45bulaja,
-> #42, bulajaWhoops, zaboravih da prikacim 3kl_help uz poruku. Here it is ...
3kl_help.zipemail.46vule,
-> #42, bulaja>> Iz RECEIVE> prompta otkucacete
>> RECEIVE>receive /bin filename
>> i onda ce je VAX iz receive buffera prebaciti u vas direktorijum.
>> Mozete dodati jos i opciju /nodel (nodelete) koja ce file prebaciti u
>> dir, ali ga nece brisati iz receive buffera.
Ako je dotični fajl ASCII može se primiti sa /ascii pa onda ne mora
da se prčka po njemu.
>> Ukoliko je datoteka koju vam trickle posalje suvise duga, bice
>> podeljena u vise delova i kontrolnu datoteku bitctrl ili tako nekako,
>> i tako poslato. E posle sa tim delovima treba nesto da se radi da se
>> spoje tj. treba neki program za VAXa koji se spominje u 3kl_help, ali
>> ja nikako niusam uspeo da provalim sta se radi, pa sa delovima koji su
>> mi stigli nisam uspeo nista da uradim. Zato vam preporucujem da
>> obavezno (kao sto i ja radim) koristite (SF (send file) opciju
>> /pdget-a, koja oznacava da vam file bude poslat ceo tj. u jednom delu.
>> Dakle, umesto onog /pdget-a u primeru gore, otkucacete:
>> /pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe (SF
Najprostije je delove spojiti sa copy /append (valjda, ne sećam se
dobro) onim redom kojim su napisani u bitctrl. Inače bitctrl je
plain ascii fajl.
>> Jos jedna opcija prilikom slanja je (UUE koja ce vam datoteku
>> poslati UU kodiranu, a takve datoteke dobijate kao mail poruke (imate
>> UU dekoder u r:\com). Ovo vam treba ukoliko vas username na vaxu nema
>> mogucnost receiv-a, ali je sa ovim dosta teze raditi.
Ovo je ujedno i jedina mogućnost za vaxove osim UBBG.
Uzred još par saveta: ako neko skida fajlove bilo bi jako lepo
od njega da ih UL na neke BBS ovde u okolini jer:
1) velika količina podataka straaaaaaašno zagušuje mrežu (trickle
ponekad čeka i po par dana dok ne izvrši vaš zahtev)
2) ko je radio sa zmodem (ili ne daj bože kermitom) na vaxu zna
kakve su to grozote
pozdrav Vule
P.S. by the way, ftp servis u prinstonu odnedavno ne radi za nodove
koji nisu na bitnetu -> samo UBBG može da ga koristi :((((
email.47vule,
Hi,
Mislim da bi bilo jako zanimljivo za sve na bitnetu da se pomenu
KONFERENCIJE! Naime toga ima toliko da se čovek prepadne.
Put u konferencije je kontaktiranje sa serverom pod imenom
LISTSERV. Najbliži nod na koji je instaliran listserv je
(mislim) AEARN. Komande se šalju na isti način kao i trickleu
tj. u vidu batch fajla. Razumno je prvo poslati HELP.
Spisak konferencija se dobija komandom LIST, a izuzetno je zanimljiva
lista svih konferencija na svim listserverima koja se
dobija komandom LIST GLOBAL i ima oko 170k (!). Upisivanje
u konferenciju se vrši komandom SUBSCRIBE koja se šalje
na onaj listserver na kome je konferencija. Uostalom sve piše
u helpu pa puno sreće.
Uz fajl sam zakačio LIST GLOBAL od pre godinu dana, do sada
se verovatno promenio, ali deluje inspirativno. Help sam
negde zagubio, ali ako zanima nekog neka javi da ga skinem.
Inače, postoji na internetu jedan nod na kome se drži opširna
lista svih konferencija, ali koji je meni odnedavno nedostupan
(nema više ftp-a) pa bi bilo lepo da neko sa ubbg skine to ovamo.
Nod je nisc.sri.com, fajl je interest-groups u direktorijumu
netinfo i ima oko 0.5Mb :)
enjoy the world
Vule
liste.zipemail.48vule,
Evo nečeg za srećnike koji mogu da koriste ftp.
Fajl ftp_ano.zip je lista internet nodova po kojima se može
slobodno prčkati. Pored svakog noda je kratak opis onoga
što se tu može naći. (UNIXovci sa slabim srcem neka sednu)
Fajl ftphelp.zip je help fajl koji objašnjava rad sa
ftp serverom u Princetonu.
BTW adresa je: IN%"ftp@pucc.bitnet"
enjoy
Vule
svasta.zipemail.49vule,
YE!
Iskopao sam LISTSERV help file i opširnu listu konferencija!
enjoy
Vule
liste1.zipemail.50zonjic,
-> #49, vuleGod bless Vule!
Jos nesto: Ovo ne razumem (a i nemam vremena!) - dobio sam poruku od tricklea
da mi salje (ili je poslao?!) file. Mail koji mi je stigao bio je plain ascii.
I zavrsio se gde i treba. Ja ne znam gde je fajl??? (Da nije stvar u sledecem:
On me je samo obavestio da mi ga salje, a nije stigao i da ga posalje???)
rz
email.51kale,
-> #43, zonjic
>> O, bulajo!
>>
>> Inšalah, bismilah!
>>
>> O, sunce koje sijaš i kroz najcrnje oblake,
>> o, mesecu na nebu koji vodiš putnika u noći,
>> o, najveći među velikima,
>> o, DEMOKRATO!
A gde je "O, PREDSEDNIžE"?????? :)))
email.52alexa,
-> #50, zonjic > Ja ne znam gde je fajl??? (Da nije stvar u sledecem:
> On me je samo obavestio da mi ga salje, a nije stigao i da ga
posalje???)
Upravo tako, stići će ti kasnije (ako stigne - meni neke stvari
nikad nisu stigle, iako sam dobio obaveštenje da će mi biti poslate).
email.53viktor,
-> #50, zonjicZdravo,
Da pokusam da pojasnim...
TRICKLE-server ti javi da je tvoj fajl "spreman za slanje".
Nakon toga ga stavlja u red za "expedition"
Red se sortira po velicini fajlova i prvo se salju manji,
jasno, i prednost imaju oni koji idu mail-om u odnosu na
one koji idu kao send tj. oni koji su naruceni sa opcijom
(SF jer su oni obicno veci...
E, sada pocinje optimizacija cele mreze i to moze da
potraje ako je mreza opterecena ili je fajl veliki.
Dalje, cesto je cvor YUBGSS21 preko koga svi ostvarujemo
vezu sa svetom iskljucen, tj. u Statistickom zavodu Srbije
iskljuce tu aplikaciju zbog svojih proracuna i posta i
fajlovi se onda gomilaju tamo negde pred tim vratima...
Inace, sudbinu svog fajla mozes proveriti tako da posaljes
TRICKLE-u naredbu /trlist i on ti posalje spisak fajlova
koji su za tebe naruceni kod ostalih servera, spisak
fajlova koji cekaju na slanje a oni koji nisu na spisku,
dakle, putuju...
Desava se da fajl "zaluta" tj. da ga program koji
organizuje putanje po mrezi posalje po nekoj 'kracoj"
putanji a ona ispadne daleko duza jer je sve to pitanje
nepredvidivosti opterecenja ili ispadanja raznih cvorova...
Nadam se da sam osim sto sam vas uspavao nesto novo rekao...
Pozdrav,
Viktor.
email.54zonjic,
-> #53, viktorhvala
rz
email.55vule,
-> #53, viktor>> Desava se da fajl "zaluta" tj. da ga program koji
>> organizuje putanje po mrezi posalje po nekoj 'kracoj"
>> putanji a ona ispadne daleko duza jer je sve to pitanje
>> nepredvidivosti opterecenja ili ispadanja raznih cvorova...
Ako se ne varam earn/bitnet ja organizovan kao stablo?
email.56zonjic,
Danas mi je stigao file sa trickle-a. Duzina je oko 20kB (Inace je duzina
80kb!!!) Da li mi je on to poslao samo deo fajla? Ako jeste zasto nije napisao
imefajla 1/4 pa dalje 2/4 itd... To me malo zbunjuje....
Ja sam file extractovao i ostavio u svom direktoriju na VAX-u.
Moze li neko da mi objasni strukturu poruke na pocetku onih uukaraktera (nesto
BEGIN 6044.......)???
rz
email.57viktor,
-> #55, vuleZdravo,
Da, ja sam napisao glupost...
Sorry,
Viktor.
email.58vule,
-> #56, zonjic>> Danas mi je stigao file sa trickle-a. Duzina je oko 20kB (Inace je duzina
>> 80kb!!!) Da li mi je on to poslao samo deo fajla? Ako jeste zasto nije
napisao
>> imefajla 1/4 pa dalje 2/4 itd... To me malo zbunjuje....
>>
>> Ja sam file extractovao i ostavio u svom direktoriju na VAX-u.
>>
>> Moze li neko da mi objasni strukturu poruke na pocetku onih uukaraktera
(nesto
>> BEGIN 6044.......)???
To je _neki_ deo fajla, a ako je dug 80k verovatno će ti stići
100tinak jer uuencode produžuje fajl (samo šest bita/bajtu je korisno).
To koji je deo piše u Subject: liniji poruke, inače se vidi u mail dir.
Oni karakteri na početku su tabela po kojoj se vrši dekodiranje jer
(naravno) ni unix nije standardizovan (buuuuhuuuuhuuuu) pa se
uuencode vrši na par različitih načina za koje je srećom nađen
zajednički imenitelj u vidu tabele. Postoji i XXENCODE koji radi
na sličan fazon ali se mnogo manje koristi (mislim da potiče od
ograničenja nekog ibmovog mrežnog softvera, nisam siguran, u svakom
slučaju stariji je od uu). Tačnu sintaksu i značenje tabele ne znam,
ali pogledaj u decoderu UUEXE413.ZIP, (ima ga valjda i ovde, u \com)
treba da ima doc o tome. Inače uuexe413 ti dekodira sve živo, ne moraš
uopšte da krpiš fajl.
pozdrav vule
email.59zonjic,
Mislite li da je Izraelski TRICKLE manje opterecen? Ja mislim da jeste, ali
nisam siguran... (pretpostavka!) Ovaj AU mi jos nije poslao II deo...
rz
email.61miro,
Ima li dobra dusa da me uputi kako da posaljem email nekome, recimo,
u Ameriki, i jos mu adresa izgleda nesto kao slova@jos.slo.vca.
Preko jednog prijatelja imam pristup na BG ETF VAX (BUEF78), i imam
dosta iskustva sa VMSom, ali ne znam sta uciniti da posaljem mail.
Help !
Pozdrav,
O
/█>
Ů Ţ
▀ ▀ Miro.
email.62alexa,
-> #61, miro > kako da posaljem email nekome, recimo,
> u Ameriki, i jos mu adresa izgleda nesto kao slovačjos.slo.vca.
sistem (VAX) ti
=======================================
$ mail
mail> send
To: ubbg::in%"slovačjos.slo.vca"
Subject: blabla
... i onda otkucaš poruku, završiš sa control-Z i to je to.
Iz mail-a izlaziš komandom 'exit'.
P.S. Sad tek vidim, u tekstu se pojavljuje 'č' - ali dobro, nadam
se da će se razumeti (dakle, nije veliko 'ž' kao što piše,
nego at-sign).
email.63miro,
-> #62, alexaPuno hvala !!
Pozdrav,
O
/█>
Ů Ţ
▀ ▀ Miro.
email.64vule,
-> #62, alexa> ... i onda otkucaš poruku, završiš sa control-Z i to je to.
> Iz mail-a izlaziš komandom 'exit'.
A ako je poduža otkucaš u editoru i pošalješ sa _send filename_.
pozdrav vule
email.65ndragan,
-> #62, alexa* P.S. Sad tek vidim, u tekstu se pojavljuje 'č'
nema veze, to je i tamo i ovde ASCII 64; zavisi samo od setapa
terminala kako će na ekranu izgledati. nema greške
Bue_ NDragan
email.66erol,
Imam slican probem kao i Miro, ali bih htio ici preko YUPAK-a.
Moze li se to i kako?
Imam preko prijatelja pristup YUPAK-u u vidu PAD terminala.
HELP!!!!
Erol.
email.67miro,
-> #62, alexaPuno hvala !!
Pozdrav,
O
/█>
Ů Ţ
▀ ▀ Miro.
email.68dristic,
Da li bi neko mogao da mi objasni ukratko kako je najlakse da dodjem
do EMAIL-a.
Moj tata je univ. profesor iz N, Sada i to mu treba za razmenu poste
sa Amerikancima.
-Kolika je otprilike cena pristupa VAX-u i koji je najbolji ?
-Dali se onda koriscenje VAX-a naknadno placa posebno i koliko ?
-Kako se placaju tel racuni ( do VAX-a ili do Amerike) ?
Unapred mnogo hvala.
Pozdrav, dristic
email.69mvuletic,
-> #68, dristic Ukoliko je tvoj otac univerzitetski profesor, mislim da bi najbolje
bilo da se raspitaš o nekim novosadskim nodovima DECnet-a (na primer UNSIM i
UNS) koji pripadaju novosadskom univerzitetu. Negde u ovoj konferenciji mozeš
naći i broj modemskog ulaza UNSIM-a.
Alternativa ti moze biti beogradski UBBG, za koji se podnosi poseban
zahtev za otvaranje radnog naloga.
O cenama nisam dovoljno upućen, ali mislim da mnogi to koriste i
besplatno.
Plaćaš samo telefonski račun do VAX-a, za ostalo se brinu javne mreze,
poput BITnet-a na primer.
Miljan
email.70mvuletic,
-> #69, mvuletic Još nešto! Pročešljaj dobro ovu konferenciju, sigurno ćeš naći nešto o
korišćenju VAX-a u svrhe Email-a.
email.71vule,
-> #68, dristic> Moj tata je univ. profesor iz N, Sada i to mu treba za razmenu poste
> sa Amerikancima.
> -Kolika je otprilike cena pristupa VAX-u i koji je najbolji ?
> -Dali se onda koriscenje VAX-a naknadno placa posebno i koliko ?
> -Kako se placaju tel racuni ( do VAX-a ili do Amerike) ?
Ne znam da li se to odnosi i na NSD univerzitet, ali na BG uzmeš papir
da si profesor i odeš u računski centar na ETF i dobiješ račun na
računaru univerzitetske biblioteke. Pristup je džabe, najbolji je taj
univerzitetske biblioteke jer je jedini priključen direktno na bitnet.
Korišćenje se ne plaća. Tel računi se plaćaju i to rastu geometrijskom
progresijom (lično iskustvo).
pozdrav vule
email.72vule,
Ako nekome slučajno zatreba, evo liste nodova koji imaju dvojne adrese
na bitnetu-internetu.
pozdrav vule
bitint.txtemail.73zonjic,
Evo svima jednog text fajla sa svim interesting groups itd...
Izvinite zbog greske u interpretiranju 'B' bio je to ASCII DL sa etf-a ;)
rz
interest.arjemail.74madamov,
Nešto čudno se dešava sa mail-om na UBBG-u. Već 4 dana ne dobijam nijedan
mail sa lista na koje sam pretplaćen, ali mi zato redovno stiže mail od ljudi s
kojima sam u redovnoj prepisci. Sve ostalo radi, tj. kad naručim neki fajl sa
ftp servera, taj fajl stigne, ali poruka u kojoj me BITFTP obaveštava šta je
uradio nikad ne stigne. Ista stvar je i sa LISTSERV-om, sve komande rade (
tražio sam review da vidim da li me listserv na određenom host-u još ima u
spisku za listu na koju sam pretplaćen, fajl mi stigne u receive, ali mail
obaveštenje ne ). Znam za još jednog čoveka na UBBG-u koji ima isti problem, pa
pitam ovde da li još neko ima sličan problem?
email.75zonjic,
-> #74, madamovJa imam jos vece probleme!!!
Sa drugom koji je na studijama u USA mogu da komuniciram samo jednostrano - on
prima moje MAILove, a ja njegove NIKAKO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Kune mi se da mi je poslao 4 maila juce a NIJEDAN niasm dobio?!?!?!??!?!?!
Takodje yubgss21 sve cesce ne radi?!?!?!?!?!
sta da se radi?
rz
email.76dejanr,
-> #75, zonjicMislim da je prava adresa za takve stvari UBBG::ZVONKO. Ja sam mu
se jednom obratio i ispalo je da zbog neke greške niko nije dobijao
mail par dana. Naravno, grešku su jako brzo ispravili.
email.77vule,
-> #75, zonjic> Ja imam jos vece probleme!!!
>
> Sa drugom koji je na studijama u USA mogu da komuniciram samo jednostrano
> - on prima moje MAILove, a ja njegove NIKAKO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
>
> Kune mi se da mi je poslao 4 maila juce a NIJEDAN niasm dobio?!?!?!??!?!?!
>
> Takodje yubgss21 sve cesce ne radi?!?!?!?!?!
žekaj.
Relativno često yubgss21 obavlja neke poslove za koje im treba svo
procesorsko vreme. U to vreme se sva pošta negde spulira, a kad se
opet pusti stvar sve dodje tamo gde treba. Meni se par puta desio
delay od dva do sedam dana, ali je na kraju sve stiglo kako valja. Ako
ti na kraju ne stigne naručeno ili poslato, onda je nešto crklo. Meni
se dešavalo da mi jednom poslata poruka stiže par puta, a rekord je
bio DVADESET TRI puta!!! Pitao sam gate administratora šta se dešava,
ali se ne sećam da sam dobio odgovor...
pozdrav vule
email.78zonjic,
-> #77, vule> žekaj.
Cekam.
> U to vreme se sva pošta negde spulira, a kad se
> opet pusti stvar sve dodje tamo gde treba. Meni se par puta desio
> delay od dva do sedam dana, ali je na kraju sve stiglo kako valja.
Pa iz tvojih usta u Bozije usi!
Meni je kasnjenje vec preko 7 dana.
Jos je neshvatljivije to sto kada vidim (testmailom) da svi linkovi do NDSUVM1
noda na bitnetu (north dakota state univ virt mach 1) ja posaljem mail TOG
MOMENTA mom drugu sa usernameom UD203201 tamo i on za minut dobije mail.
E, sad on meni poslalje testmail (1 ili 2 reci) i ja UOPSTE NE DOBIJEM njegov
mail. Osim toga u poslednje vreme VEOMA cesto racunar u zavodu za stat. ne
radi...
Meni je neshvatljivo to sto nas link sa vascelim svetom ladno adi radi pa
stane, a nodovi koji zavise od njega rade 24h/dan.
........rz
email.79igor.mil,
-> #75, zonjic> Ja imam jos vece probleme!!!
>
> Sa drugom koji je na studijama u USA mogu da komuniciram samo jednostrano
> - on prima moje MAILove, a ja njegove NIKAKO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Isti slucaj sa mnom. Poznanik u Australiji prima moje poruke, a kada
on meni salje, dobija odgovor da poruka nije mogla biti isporucena,
posto node ne postoji ili nesto slicno. Pokusao sam i sa BUEFQ5 i sa
UBBG-a.
pozdrav od Igora
email.80viktor,
-> #78, zonjicZdravo,
Dakle, posta na yubgss21, tj. cvor koji nas opsluzuje i salje postu u svet
stize ali u naletima, dakle traljavo, ovih dana, ali ipak stize. Na cvor
yubgef51 tj. ubbg nekako ovih dana ne stize uopste...
Problem, dakle nije ni u Sloveniji, kako je neko na konferenciji ETF na ubbg-u
pokusao da protumaci ni na yubgss21 zbog njegovog NEPROPISNOG iskljucivanja jer
u ugovoru o cvorovima na EARN-u stoji da oni moraju raditi 24h/dan jer su na
njih vezani drugi cvorovi...,vec na ubbg-u tj yubgef51 koji niko ne odrzava...
ZVONKO je bio na odmoru i trebalo bi da se vratio 28. ovog meseca ali ga jos
nisam video na sistemu ... Dakle, treba pritiskati svim snagama ili poste
videti necemo ...
Pozdrav,
Viktor.
P.S. O drugim tumacenjima zasto nema poste mozda nekio drugi ...;-)
email.81vule,
-> #80, viktor> njih vezani drugi cvorovi...,vec na ubbg-u tj yubgef51 koji niko ne
> odrzava... ZVONKO je bio na odmoru i trebalo bi da se vratio 28. ovog
> meseca ali ga jos nisam video na sistemu ... Dakle, treba pritiskati svim
> snagama ili poste videti necemo ...
Niko ne održava!? Aiiii...
To bi trebao biti posao UBBG::GATEADM ?
pozdrav vule
email.82madamov,
-> #81, vuleJa poslao Zvonku mail i izvršio pritisak. Još čekam odgovor, a situacije se
nije promenila.
email.83viktor,
-> #81, vule>> njih vezani drugi cvorovi...,vec na ubbg-u tj yubgef51 koji niko ne
>> odrzava... ZVONKO je bio na odmoru i trebalo bi da se vratio 28. ovog
>> meseca ali ga jos nisam video na sistemu ... Dakle, treba pritiskati svim
>> snagama ili poste videti necemo ...
>
>Niko ne odrzava!? Aiiii...
>
>To bi trebao biti posao UBBG::GATEADM ?
Dobro, ja sam preterao, verovatno neko odrzava sistem ali nesto kaslje ...
Izvinjavam se na prejakim recima ...
Pozdrav,
Viktor.
email.84zonjic,
Dakle, danas pogledam na UBBG show users i ugledam ZVONKO.
Sledeci korak : pogledam na buef78 da li mi ima maila kad ono 2 new messages.
Pogledam datume - oba 23-aug-1991
pocelo je, pocelo :-)))))
rz
email.85vule,
-> #82, madamov> Ja poslao Zvonku mail i izvršio pritisak. Još čekam odgovor, a situacije
> se nije promenila.
Ja pozvao zvonka na phone a čovek pobego. Verovatno ga mnogo dave ovih
dana ;)
email.86zonjic,
-> #85, vule> Ja pozvao zvonka na phone a čovek pobego. Verovatno ga mnogo dave
> ovih dana ;)
Da li si ga zvao na UBBG ili BUEF__ ?
Ako si ga zvao na ZVONKO onda je jako mala verovatnoca da si mogao da ga
dobijes - naime port na koji se ljudi iz RC-a javljaju dozvoljavaju po nekoliko
sesija aktivnih (kao oni u RCu) i jako je mama verovatnoca da ce biti BAS NA
TVOM racunaru...
Plus danas je bio aktivan user SYSTEM (mislim da je to bilo povodom maila) sa
istog porta sa kog i user ZVONKO (sh us/full)
Da si ga tamo zvao mozda bi ga i dobio...
I tako dalje.............
rz
email.87madamov,
Jutros, prijatno iznenađenje: 25 new mail messages. Nekoliko njih je
toliko bajato, ko zna gde su ih držali do sada.
email.88zonjic,
-> #87, madamovPa ja sve sto dobih staro je po 7 dana i vise... ;)
email.89igor.mil,
-> #84, zonjic> Dakle, danas pogledam na UBBG show users i ugledam ZVONKO.
> Sledeci korak : pogledam na buef78 da li mi ima maila kad ono 2 new
> messages. Pogledam datume - oba 23-aug-1991
Moja prica izgleda ovako:
1) Oko 15 Avgusta sam narucio nesto sa Trickla. Posle dan-dva su
stigli mail-ovi oblelezeni sa "2 of 4" i "3 of 4".
2) Posto sam, posle duzeg vremena, zakljucio da su ostala dva komada
negde zaturena, pre neki dan sam izbrisao ovo sto je stiglo.
3) Danas su stigli delovi koji su nedostajali.
4) Malo (ali sasvim malo) sam se nervirao.
pozdrav od Igora
email.90mjova,
-> #85, vule>> Ja poslao Zvonku mail i izvršio pritisak. Još čekam
>> odgovor, a situacije se nije promenila.
>
> Ja pozvao zvonka na phone a čovek pobego. Verovatno ga
> mnogo dave ovih dana ;)
ranije sam hteo nešto da ga pitam i naravno da je čovek došao u phone.
mislim da je sasvim ok tip, mada je glupo o tome prosuđivati na osnovu
jednog chata od desetak minuta. tako da mislim da je verovatno bio u
nekom poslu...
email.91vule,
-> #86, zonjic> Da li si ga zvao na UBBG ili BUEF__ ?
Ne znam i nije važno. Stiže pošta.
email.92madamov,
-> #88, zonjic
33 new mail messages today. Počelo je, počelo ...
email.93dejanr,
Bitnet radi tj. preko njega se može slati mail u Sloveniju i Hrvatsku.
Danas sam dobio mail od Maje i Darka Bulata, i od Mrkog. Pozdravljaju
vas sve i nadaju se da će uskoro ponovo moći do Sezama.
email.94zonjic,
Evo najnovije topologije bitneta - OBAVEZNO POGLEDAJTE!
rz
topology.arjemail.95lanik,
-> #94, zonjic Bih ja pogledao, ali kako kada je u ARJ formatu? Ajde molim te lepo to
ZIPuj pa da svi možemo da pogledamo... ;)
email.96zonjic,
-> #95, lanikUf, pa dosta je od mene pred ispite i ovoliko :-) Nek se nadje neko za LANIKA
da prevede :-)
rz
email.97drakce,
-> #96, zonjic
│││Evo najnovije topologije bitneta - OBAVEZNO POGLEDAJTE!
││└────
││ Bih ja pogledao, ali kako kada je u ARJ formatu? Ajde molim te lepo to
││ ZIPuj pa da svi možemo da pogledamo... ;)
│└────
│ Uf, pa dosta je od mene pred ispite i ovoliko :-) Nek se nadje neko za
│ LANIKA da prevede :-)
└────
Naš'o se jedan :)
Pozdrav od Dragana
PS: Mnogo lep način za QUOTE, obožavam ga
email.98lanik,
-> #97, drakce
Hvala!
>> PS: Mnogo lep način za QUOTE, obožavam ga <<
Lep jeste, ali treba znati gde se na tastaturi nalaze ti @!ť$!"
znaci! :))
--> Paint a dog with 256 colors, and it's still a dog.
email.99zonjic,
Nesto se jako cudno ovih poslednjih dana desava sa postom koja preko bitneta
dolazi iz USA. Kada se na to doda razlog da je YUBGSS opet poceo da se
iskljucuje stvari su sve crnje i crnje...
Da li bi bilo izvodljivo da jednostavno yubgss i yubgef zamene mesta? Mislim da
bi to bilo x puta korisnije jer UBBG radi 24h/day a yubgss21 nikad nije
siguran.
Da li je to izvodljivo?
rz
email.100gobradovic,
-> #20, zonjicSkoro sam pokusao da iskoristim fajl mftu.exe koji si prilozio
uz poruku (dekodovanje fajla) na VAX-u ali nece da radi. Dobijam
poruku da ne moze da kreira neki image fajl ili tako nesto; kada
u listu naredbe stavim i ime fajla za dekodovanje onda mu smeta
previse parametara; dalje nisam pokusavao. Inace, zna li neko kako
se moze nastaviti komunikacija sa USA preko UBBG-a jer izgleda da
nam je mlada demokracija ovo nadalje uskratila.
Unapred hvala za savete,
pozdrav od Branka!
email.101vpetrovic,
Na ubbg-ovom disku je ostalo jako malo mestoko 200 blokova ????).Ceo
problem leži u tome da je to SIV-ov računar pa nema ko da kupi dodatnu
opremu. Možda je to razlog za nefunkcionisanje prijema pošte. U svakom slučaju
sutra ću imati detaljnije informacije.
Vlada
email.102bulaja,
Evo svezeg listinga SVIH MSDOS datoteka na Trickle-u.
(#1/2)