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Messages - email

email.1 dejanr,
U "Računarima" upravo započinje serija tekstova o elektronskoj pošti kojoj posvećujemo i ovu temu.
email.2 sale,
Da li postoji out-dial u Jugoslaviji, i ako nekim slucajem da, koji je broj (mada ne verujem da ga ima)? I onako usput, kako se moze doci do globalnih out-dial-ova ;)? Sale
email.3 dejanr, -> #2, sale
>> Da li postoji out-dial u Jugoslaviji, i ako nekim slucajem da, >> koji je broj (mada ne verujem da ga ima)? Nema ga... >> I onako usput, kako se moze doci do globalnih out-dial-ova ;)? Ne postoji globalni outdial (koliko bar ja znam) ali evo moje liste outdialova za razne oblasti. Prvi deo je (koliko mi je poznato) prikupio Darko Bulat a drugi deo su neki outdial-ovi koje ne mogu da se setim odakle sam pokupio. Ne tvrdim da svi rade ali... 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--------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================== B 0228 468 114 0510*DLO CERNLO CERN 300 bps OUTDIAL (where ???) B 0228 468 114 0510*DME CERNME CERN 1200 bps OUTDIAL (where ???) 0310 600 182 8 FRX Faifax Outdial Host (Tymnet) B 0310 600 197 6 Outdial NY B 0310 600 220 7,OUT Outdial B 0310 600 255 Outdial NY X 0310 600 502 0 Outdial Fairfax X 0310 600 531 7 Outdial St.Louis 0310 600 560 3 (Host) systems 1,2,3,4,5,C (5=Outdial) X 0310 600 701 7 Outdial NY 0311 020 100 022 New Jersey Outdial 2400 bps (Area 201) 0311 020 100 301 New Jersey Outdial 1200 bps (Area 201) A 0311 020 200 115 Outdial 300 bps (Area 202) A 0311 020 200 116 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 202) 0311 020 200 117 Distr. of Columbia Outdial 2400 bps (Area 0311 020 300 130 Connecticut Outdial 1200 bps (Area 203) 0311 020 600 019 Washington Outdial 1200 bps (Area 206) A 0311 021 200 315 Outdial 300 bps (Area 212) A 0311 021 200 316 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 212) D 0311 021 200 412 Outdial 2400 bps (Area 212) D 0311 021 200 41200 New York City Outdial (Area 212) 0311 021 300 412 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 213) A 0311 021 300 413 Outdial CA 6311 021 300 023 213 0311 021 400 117 Outdial 300 bps (Area 214) A 0311 021 400 118 Texas Outdial 1200 bps (Area 214) 0311 021 500 022 Pennsylvania Outdial 2400 bps (Area 215) 0311 021 500 112 Pennsylvania Outdial 1200 bps (Area 215) A 0311 021 600 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 216) A 0311 021 600 021 Ohio Outdial 1200 bps (Area 216) 0311 030 300 021 Colorado Outdial 2400 bps (Area 303) 0311 030 300 115 Colorado Outdial 1200 bps (Area 303) 0311 030 500 121 Florida Outdial 1200 bps (Area 305) D 0311 030 508 793 Miami Outdial (Area 305) ? 0311 031 200 024 Illinois Outdial 2400 bps (Area 217 ?) 0311 031 200 411 Illinois Outdial 1200 bps (Area 217 ?) 0311 031 300 024 Michigan Outdial 2400 bps (Area 313) 0311 031 300 216 Michigan Outdial 1200 bps (Area 313) A 0311 040 400 114 Georgia Outdial 1200 bps (Area 404) A 0311 040 800 021 California Outdial 1200 bps? (Area 408) 0311 041 400 021 Wisconsin Outdial 1200 bps (Area 414) 0311 041 500 117 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415) I 0311 041 500 210 Outdial USA A 0311 041 500 215 Outdial (Area 415) A 0311 041 500 217 Outdial (Area 415) A 0311 041 500 220 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415) A 0311 050 300 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 503) A 0311 050 300 021 Oregon Outdial 1200 bps (Area 503) 0310 600 182 8 FRX Faifax Outdial Host (Tymnet) B 0310 600 197 6 Outdial NY B 0310 600 220 7,OUT Outdial B 0310 600 255 Outdial NY X 0310 600 502 0 Outdial Fairfax X 0310 600 531 7 Outdial St.Louis 0310 600 560 3 (Host) systems 1,2,3,4,5,C (5=Outdial) X 0310 600 701 7 Outdial NY 0311 020 100 022 New Jersey Outdial 2400 bps (Area 201) 0311 020 100 301 New Jersey Outdial 1200 bps (Area 201) A 0311 020 200 115 Outdial 300 bps (Area 202) A 0311 020 200 116 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 202) 0311 020 200 117 Distr. of Columbia Outdial 2400 bps (Area 0311 020 300 130 Connecticut Outdial 1200 bps (Area 203) 0311 020 600 019 Washington Outdial 1200 bps (Area 206) A 0311 021 200 315 Outdial 300 bps (Area 212) A 0311 021 200 316 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 212) D 0311 021 200 412 Outdial 2400 bps (Area 212) D 0311 021 200 41200 New York City Outdial (Area 212) 0311 021 300 412 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 213) A 0311 021 300 413 Outdial CA 0311 021 400 117 Outdial 300 bps (Area 214) A 0311 021 400 118 Texas Outdial 1200 bps (Area 214) 0311 021 500 022 Pennsylvania Outdial 2400 bps (Area 215) 0311 021 500 112 Pennsylvania Outdial 1200 bps (Area 215) A 0311 021 600 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 216) A 0311 021 600 021 Ohio Outdial 1200 bps (Area 216) 0311 030 300 021 Colorado Outdial 2400 bps (Area 303) 0311 030 300 115 Colorado Outdial 1200 bps (Area 303) 0311 030 500 121 Florida Outdial 1200 bps (Area 305) D 0311 030 508 793 Miami Outdial (Area 305) ? 0311 031 200 024 Illinois Outdial 2400 bps (Area 217 ?) 0311 031 200 411 Illinois Outdial 1200 bps (Area 217 ?) 0311 031 300 024 Michigan Outdial 2400 bps (Area 313) 0311 031 300 216 Michigan Outdial 1200 bps (Area 313) A 0311 040 400 114 Georgia Outdial 1200 bps (Area 404) A 0311 040 800 021 California Outdial 1200 bps? (Area 408) 0311 041 400 021 Wisconsin Outdial 1200 bps (Area 414) 0311 041 500 117 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415) I 0311 041 500 210 Outdial USA A 0311 041 500 215 Outdial (Area 415) A 0311 041 500 217 Outdial (Area 415) A 0311 041 500 220 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 415) A 0311 050 300 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 503) A 0311 050 300 021 Oregon Outdial 1200 bps (Area 503) D 0311 060 200 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 602) D 0311 060 200 021 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 602) 0311 061 200 121 Minnesota Outdial 1200 bps (Area 612) 0311 061 900 050 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 619) 0311 070 300 117 Virginia Outdial 2400 bps (Area 703) 0311 071 300 024 Texas Outdial 2400 bps (Area 713) 0311 071 300 114 Texas Outdial 1200 bps (Area 713) A 0311 080 100 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 801) A 0311 080 100 021 Utah Outdial 1200 bps (Area 801) A 0311 081 300 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 813) A 0311 081 300 021 Florida Outdial 1200 bps (Area 813) D 0311 081 305 518 Tampa Outdial (Area 813) ? 0311 081 800 021 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 818) 0311 091 600 050 California Outdial 1200 bps (Area 916) A 0311 091 900 020 Outdial 300 bps (Area 919) A 0311 091 900 021 Outdial 1200 bps (Area 919)
email.4 dejanr,
Ne znam koliko je ko upućen u to, ali jedna od lepih stvari koje možete raditi sa vašom email adresom je prijem nekih od "časopisa" koji kruže paketnim mrežama. Stvar je sasvim besplatna i dovoljno je da na određenu adresu pošaljete poruku da vas neki časopis zanima i on počinje da stiže. Ima uređivanih i neuređivanih časopisa - uređivan je onaj kod koga svi šalju priloge uredniku a on bira šta je zanimljivo i to distribuira ostalima. Neuređivani časopisi (većina) su oni kod kojih korisnici šalju poruke a one se redistribuiraju ostalim interesentima bez ičije intervencije. Evo liste jednog od listserv-era (LISTSERV@FINHUTC.BITNET) a uz poruku su nešto detaljniji opisi. Ako neka prati ili planira da prati nešto od ovoga, neka se javi ako je raspoložen da komunikaciju prenosi na Sezam. ADVISE-L User Services List AILIST Artificial Intelligence List AMIGA-A Amiga filelist archives AMIGA-D Digests of Comp.Sys.Amiga (Moderated) AMIGA-S Sources & Binaries for Amiga (Moderated) APPLICAT Applications under BITNET BITNEWS BITNET News List BRIDGE Bridge Communication products CADAM-L CADAM guru forum CADLIST CAD General Discussion Group CAEDS-L CAEDS guru forum CANOPUS Canopus magazine CATIA-L CATIA guru forum CBDS-L CBDS guru forum CHRISTIA Practical Christian Life COMPOS Composing Digest CRTNET Communication Research and Theory Network CYBER-L CYBER List DOMAIN-L Domain Discussion Group EARNTECH EARN Technical Group ETHOLOGY Ethology FUTURE-L Discussion about the future of BITNET FYS-INFO Fysiikan tapahtumakalenteri GEOGRAPH Geography GGUIDE Users Guide List GNUEMACS Gnu-Emacs bugs & info HISTORY History I-AMIGA Info-Amiga List IBM-NETS IBM networking IBMPC-L Info-IBMPC Digest IKD Info-Kermit Digest INFINITE Info-Finite INFO-ADA Ada programming language (INFO-ADA) INFO-A16 Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16) INFO-GNU Gnu information INFO-TI TI Explorer INFOCPM CP/M operating system distribution list INFONETS General network forum INFO1100 XEROX Lisp Machine Users List JAPAN Info-Japan JNET-L JNET Discussion Group LANTRA-L Interpreting (and) translation LASER Laser Lovers LIAISON Network Site Liaisons LICENSE Software Licensing List LINKFAIL Link failure announcements MAC-L INFO-MAC Digest MAIL-L Mail Discussion List MEDCONS Medcons (Medical consulting and case descriptions) MINIX-L Minix operating system MON-L BITNET Monitoring List MUSIC Music-Research NANET NaNet NDNNET-I NORDUnet network project information NETMON-L Discussion of NETMON NIHONGO Nihongo NL-KR Natural Language List NODMGT-L Node Management Discussion NSNNEWS Nsn/News NUTS Traditional Nutty Stuff PACKRAD Packet-radio list PC-IP TCP/IP Implementations for PC:s PHIGS-L PHIGS guru forum POLICY-L DIscussion about BITNET policies PSCRIPT Postscript forum REDIST-L ARPA Re-Distribution REXXLIST VM/SP REXX Language Discussion List RISKS Risks in the use of computer systems RSCSMODS The RSCS modifications list RSCSV2-L The RSCS Version 2 List SAS-L SAS(r) Discussion SCHEME Scheme programming language SECURITY Security mailing list SIMULA The SIMULA Language List SMALK SmallTalk discussion SPACE Space discussions forum SPIRES-L SPIRES Conference List SQL-L SQL discussion list STD-L BITNET Standards List TECH-L TECH-L List TEX-L The TeXnical topics list TRAFIC-L Traffic Monitoring List TRANS-L File Transfer List UG-L Usage Guidelines List USRDIR-L User Directory List XANN Xwindows announcements XEARN X.EARN Project Information XMAILER The Crosswell Mailer List XPERT Xwindows discussion XPORT Xwindows discussion (porting Xwindows) X400-L BITNET X400 List lista.zip
email.5 madamov, -> #4, dejanr
>>Evo liste jednog od listserv-era (LISTSERV@FINHUTC.BITNET) a uz poruku su >>nešto detaljniji opisi. Ako neka prati ili planira da prati nešto od ovoga, >>neka se javi ako je raspoložen da komunikaciju prenosi na Sezam. Ja sam već odavno ostavio nekoliko takvih publikacija u ST/news ( radi se o INFO-A16 ). U zadnje vreme su počeli malo neredovno da pristižu pa sam ostavljanje na Sezam malčice zanemario. I dobar deo onog softvera kojeg sam ostavljao po ST konferenciji je stizao sa PROG-A16 diskusije. Samo što sam to dobijao od drugog listservera ( LISTSERV@UOGUELPH.bitnet ). Uzgred, juče sam skinuo sa jednog ftp servera spisak hostova za ftp. U spisak su samo ubačene adrese, bez ikakvih opisa. Ako nekog zanima, mogu da zapakujem i pošaljem. A jedan drugi spisak ftp servera, sa kratkim opisom šta se nalazi na nekom od njih, ostavljam uz ovu poruku. ftp.arc
email.6 robert,
Cao Sto se tice tih elektronskih "novina" i "casopisa", bas sam se danas zezao oko toga sa nekim LISTSERVER-ima i "pretplatio" sam se na neke, a to su: BITNEWS, GIF-L, HORROR (brrr), PCSERV-L, PHOTO-L. Pa ako bude neceg interesantnog tu, Sezam sigurno nece ostati uskracen za to. :)) Pozdrav Robert P.
email.7 robert,
Cao, kao sto sam vec napomenuo, poslao sam nekoliko MAIL-ova raznim LISTSERVER-ima (sinoc) i vec su poceli da mi pristizu odgovori. U stvari, konkretno, sa listservera BUACCA lista PHOTO-L, koja je, izgleda, uredjivana od strane samih korisnika, koji salju svoje komentare, pitanja i opet odgovore na neka druga pitanja, (sve u svemu dosta slicno kao i konferencija na Sezamu :). Radi ilustracije sam izdvojio mali deo jedne diskusije koja se nalazi u konferenciji FORUM pod RAZNO, jer je tema fotografija, a nje ovde nema. Mozda se i razvije diskusija o fotografiji ovde, na Sezamu posle ovog, ko zna :). Inace, ja se licno iz hobija bavim fotografijom pa me zato to malo i interesuje. Pa onda, dobrodosli u diskusiju (u FORUM-u, naravno) Pozdrav Robert P. P.S. U prilogu saljem datoteku sa spiskom raznih lista na raznim listserverima koje se mogu dobiti. Pozivam sve da ostave eventualne komentare i sugestije i , naravno, iskustva u ovoj konferenciji. list.zip
email.8 djovicevic,
Evo malo korisne diskusije o Kermitu i problemima sa njim: ----------------------------- Date: 15 Feb 91 16:33:00 CST From: "SACLMR" <saclmr@sacemnet.af.mil> Subject: Binary Kermit File Transfers VAX to PC (V91 #29) >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 1991 16:32:28 EST >From: garber@aru.dom.uab.edu >I am trying to transfer binary files between a MicroVAX and a PC with >little success. The kermit version on the VAX is 3.3.126, and on the >PC is 3.01. I start kermit on the PC using LAT (and DECNet), log onto >the VAX, start kermit on the VAX, type "set file type binary", type >"server", alt-x back to the PC, type "get <filename>", and the file >downloads. I have also tried typing "set file type binary" on the PC >side as well. The transfered file has a larger file size, and won't >run. It appears to have some material added to the end to the file. >What am I doing wrong? One possibility - I noticed a packet size negotiation problem with Kermit-32 3.3.126. If the PC Kermit attempts to negotiate a 2K packet size, the VAX's Kermit will accept this and then bomb out during transfers. You might try "SET SEND PACKET 1000" and "SET RECEIVE PACKET 1000" at both ends. Regards, Jim Fregin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 12:33:41 EST From: garber@aru.dom.uab.edu Subject: kermit binary file transfers VAX to PC (V91 #29) Re: my previous message regarding problems transferring binary files from the VAX to the PC. I've gotten a number of responses, none of which work. Let me go over again the problem, and summarize the responses and their results. Using DEC's Pathworks network, I've copied a binary file to my VAX directory. For testing purposes, I've used TED.COM, a tiny editor (size=2984). I log into the VAX using mskermit version 3.01. I start kermit on the VAX (version 3.3.126), type "set file type binary", type "server", get back to the mskermit, type "set file type binary", type "get ted.com". The file transfers, but now has a file size of 3065, and will not run (in fact, it locks up the system). Suggested fixes: From Joel Gallun and Roman Olynyk: Try setting FILE TYPE FIXED on the VAX and FILE TYPE BINARY on the PC. Result: file size 3065. From A. Whittaker: Set parity even on both ends, as mentioned in a bwr file which comes with the mskermit 3.01 docs. Result: file size 3065. Combinations of the above advice: Parity set none: VAX set binary, PC set binary: file size 3065 VAX set fixed, PC set binary: file size 3065 Parity set even: VAX set binary, PC set binary: file size 3065 VAX set fixed, PC set binary: file size 3065 I suspect something else needs to be set properly on the VAX side, since I used to be able to transfer binary files (a year or so ago), but neither the VAX system manager or I have any idea what it is. David W. Garber (garber@aru.dom.uab.edu) Assistant Professor of Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 10:34:06 edt From: "Newcomer, Don" <NEWCOMER%DICKINSN.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Kermit binary file transfers VAX to PC (V91 #29) garber@aru.dom.uab.edu writes: >I am trying to transfer binary files between a MicroVAX and a PC with >little success. The kermit version on the VAX is 3.3.126, and on the >PC is 3.01. I start kermit on the PC using LAT (and DECNet), log onto >the VAX, start kermit on the VAX, type "set file type binary", type >"server", alt-x back to the PC, type "get <filename>", and the file >downloads. I have also tried typing "set file type binary" on the PC >side as well. The transfered file has a larger file size, and won't >run. It appears to have some material added to the end to the file. >What am I doing wrong? I have done this with files I've received over Bitnet. We're running Joiner's JNET software. I do a RECEIVE/BINARY to get the file in binary format. That's just FYI since I'm assuming you're on the Internet. After that I do a CONVERT/FDL on the file to change to a sequential, variable-length record file. Here's what the FDL file looks like: IDENT "14-MAR-1988 16:54:16 VAX-11 FDL Editor" SYSTEM SOURCE VAX/VMS FILE ALLOCATION 0 BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS yes EXTENSION 0 ORGANIZATION sequential RECORD BLOCK_SPAN yes CARRIAGE_CONTROL none FORMAT variable SIZE 0 After that you can go on with your binary Kermit transfers and it should work fine. If you don't do the conversion, it won't work. Good luck! Don Newcomer NEWCOMER@DICKINSN.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 91 22:46:08 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL> Subject: Kermit binary file transfer VAX to PC (V91 #29) You DO WANT to set BOTH Kermits in EVEN parity or it will go on failing. I repeat, you may set the ports on both machines as 8 bits no parity, but you STILL ****MUST**** run both Kermits in EVEN (or maybe ODD, I always use EVEN) software parity. I lost one month trying to transfer such binary files (TeX raster fonts) until Nelson Beebe from Utah told me to use EVEN parity. And I did not trust him ... until after I had tried.
email.9 mtadic,
Narode, odoh! Od prekosutra (sreda) nalazim se u Freiburgu (Germany) Ko hoce da se javi, adresa je TADICčitt-sc.de (ono iza TADIC je manki) ili, za one koji imaju pristup X29 ;))) 62624576109315::CADCLU::TADIC Puno pozdrava od Milana
email.10 dejanr,
TO: ALL EMPLOYEES FR: PUBLIC RELATIONS RE: NEW CORPORATE IDENTITY ______________________________________________________________________________ Below is the news release issued to the press on Wednesday, March 20,1991. If you would like an actual copy of the release, please contact public relations. ______________________________________________________________________________ BRITISH TELECOM UNVEILS NEW WORLDWIDE CORPORATE IDENTITY Merges BT Tymnet and BT Inc. into new "BT North America" San Jose, California - March 20, 1991 QBritish Telecom unveiled its new global corporate identity and trademark today at key locations around the world. The new look combines the company's initials - "BT" - with a graphic representation of a spirited herald sounding his trumpet. This figure is recognized by many cultures and represents the spirit of communication. BT's primary role is to provide effective two-way communication between the company and its customers as well as speaking and listening to customers in an understanding way. BT's new logo is therefore a combination of two figures - the red figure listening and the blue speaking, brought together by BT's technology and understanding of its customers. Combined, these elements aimJsymbolically to signal the approach of a new era in telecommunications and BT's pivotal place within it. The introduction of this new corporate identity and trademark is a result of BT's initiative of "Putting the Customer First" and in direct line with BT's stated mission of becoming the world's leading telecommunications company. "Putting the Customer First" is an initiative undertaken in April of last year to reorganize and refocus the company around the needs of the customers and to secure the company's position in a rapidly-changing global marketplace. Effective March 31, 1991, BT Tymnet Inc., and British Telecom Inc. -- U.S. subsidiaries of the parent company responsible for coordinating its activities in North America -- will be merged under the name "BT North America." "It has always been BT's intention to merge the activities here in North America into a single unified organization that can effectively respond to our customers," said Mark Baker, president and CEO of BT North America. "The new corporate identity in North America is not only a formalization of this process but a demonstration of BT's commitment to the North American market and other telecommunications markets outside the U.K." The new corporate identity comes on the heels of OFTEL's (the Office of Telecommunications) duopoly review which will effectively open the market in the United Kingdom to increased competition among telecommunications providers. A direct result of this liberalization will be BT's emphasis on establishing increased presence outside the U.K. and to focus additional efforts in markets like North America. BT employees in San Jose and New York previewed the new corporate identity today via a live satellite link to London inJwhich company Chairman Iain Vallance discussed the company's strategic direction the decision for the new corporate identity. IMPLICATIONS IN NORTH AMERICA Though BT Tymnet will cease to exist as a legal entity, TYMNET(R) will be retained as the name of the worldwide physical network. TYMNET networking products, services and technology will not change under the new organization. This is due to the strong name recognition associated with TYMNET as well as the value-added network products and services delivered through the TYMNET Global Network(. The TYMNET Global Network is a key vehicle by which BT will penetrate new markets throughout the world in the future and as it has done since the acquisition of Tymnet (November, 1989). BT Tymnet's products and services are now fully integrated into BT and are available worldwide through the commercial and network infrastructure created through the launch of BT's Global Network Services (September, 1990). In addition, customers now have single point of contact, through a unified nationwide sales force, for all British Telecom products and services available in North America, as well a central support group responsible for service inquiries. BRITISH TELECOMMUNICATIONS PLC British Telecommunications plc (NYSE:BTY), generally known as British Telecom or BT, is a leading world player in telecommunications. It operates one of the largest networks in the world and offers a wide range of international services. British Telecom has annual revenues over $20 billion and employs approximately 240,000 staff in 30 countries. BT NORTH AMERICA BT North America Inc., a wholly-owned unit of BT, is an international value-added network and telecommunications supplier. Headquartered in San Jose, California, the company owns and operates the world's largest value-added data network - the TYMNET Global Network - which offers protocol conversion, LAN interconnectivity, error-protection, enhanced security features, electronic data interchange (EDI), card services, and electronic messaging. The company provides public, private and hybrid network solutions through 4,500 nodes operated worldwide. Additionally, the company offers international voice, integrated trading systems, data communications equipment, optoelectronics products and voice messaging. The company employs approximately 1,700 personnel in North America.
email.11 zonjic,
Moze li neko da mi objasni nesto vise u vezi sa EARN-om u Beogradu ( delatnost, itd.) . Jako cesto vidjam to ime, ali nemam jasnu predstavu o njemu. Rade
email.12 mirr,
Povodom Dejanovog clanka u predhodnim R imam par pitanja. Da li je moguce preko NOTES-a chat-ovati sa nekim udaljenim cvorom? Da li je ikako moguce chatovati sa udaljenim cvorom sa VAX-a 78? Pozdrav, mirr
email.13 dejanr, -> #12, mirr
>> Da li je moguce preko NOTES-a chat-ovati sa nekim udaljenim cvorom? >> Da li je ikako moguce chatovati sa udaljenim cvorom sa VAX-a 78? Moguće je, ali ne preko NOTES. Kažeš PHONE CVOR::KORISNIK (ili PHONE DIR CVOR da bi video koga uopšte tamo ima) i onda, ako on(a) prihvati poziv, pričate. O ovome je bilo dosta reči u drugom nastavku serije tekstova o email-u.
email.14 erol,
▀ Ciao Sezam-narode, Imam burazera u Americi (Detroit), radi na fakultetu, i ostavio mi je sljedecu E-mail adresu: "KARABEG @ ZELA.ASC.OAKLAND.EDU" Ako neko zna kako da doprem do njega (modemom naravno) molim za pomoc. Unaprijed hvala erol :(
email.15 dejanr, -> #14, erol
>> "KARABEG @ ZELA.ASC.OAKLAND.EDU" Treba ti račun na nekom vax-u vezanom u DECNET. Onda kažeš: MAIL SEND UBBG::IN%"KARABEG@ZELA.ASC.OAKLAND.EDU" i uneseš poruku...
email.16 erol, -> #15, dejanr
Puno ti hvala. MMMM erol
email.17 zonjic, -> #14, erol
Erole, ako mozes najjeftinije bi ti bilo da zatrazis racun na Univer. biblioteci u Sarajevu (NUBSA::)posto ja ne znam da li u MO ima vaxova, pa jos u DECnet-u... Mozda Dejan da ti nabavi adresu biblioteke.
email.18 dejanr,
Da li je neko slao ZIP fajl sa UBBG na neki drugi računar a da je to stiglo u jednom komadu? Ne mislim sa COPY nego recimo negde u USA itd, kao što radi listserv? Kakva su iskustva?
email.19 zonjic, -> #18, dejanr
Ja sam bezuspesno pokusao da sa BUEF__ posaljem mail-om (jer drugacije NE ZNAM) .ZIP fajl useru na UBBG-u... Moze li neko da mi objasni proceduru (generalno...) ? Rade
email.20 zonjic, -> #19, zonjic
Evo, sam sebi da odgovorim... Uspeo sam da posaljem xxx.ZIP prijatelju na UBBG. I to na sledeci nacin : PD programom MFTU.EXE sam ENCODE-ovao file, zatim sam ga poslao kao obican mail (program pretvara klasican 512 byte block file u textfile) , a prijatelj ga je (istim programom) DECODE-ovao. To su ujedno i jedine 2 naredbe koje su vam potrebne. Ah, da racunar nije bio UBBG vec BUEFGX, ali sumnjam da ima razlike ;) Ovde ostavljam MFTU.EXE ( exe file za VAX-a !), pa recite ako vam je koristio... Rade mftu.exe
email.21 djovicevic, -> #18, dejanr
> Da li je neko slao ZIP fajl sa UBBG na neki drugi racunar > a da je to stiglo u jednom komadu? Ne mislim sa COPY nego recimo > negde u USA itd, kao sto radi listserv? Ja sam uspeo, ali samo ako je primalac na BITNET mrezi, za Internet nikako ne ide. To sam uradio na sledeci nacin: 1. Uz pomoc ZMODEM protokola, opcija -b, prenesem binarni fajl (*.ZIP) na svoj direktorijum EARN$USERS:[EJOVICEV]. 2. Iz VMS-a izdam naredbu: $ SEND/FILE/BINARY/NETDATA ime_fajla user@node i fajl stigne gde treba. Ako je rec o tekstualnom fajlu izbacuje se opcija /BINARY. Obicno sam slao u USA coveku koji je na BITNET-u. Za Internet bi trebalo pronaci neki gateway ovde u Evropi i probati sa oblikom adrese "user%domain@gateway", no ja ne znam takav gateway pa nisam ni probao. Da li neko mozda zna? D.J.
email.22 dejanr,
========== security/main #1543, from gmussar, 4012 chars, Thu Jun 20 22:03:27 1991 Comment(s). ---------- TITLE: Will the Spooks try to shut down the Internet? I received the following message on the IETF mailing list on the net. I thought it might spark some discussion here. ------- From: karn@thumper.bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn) To: ietf@ISI.EDU Subject: Heads up - proposed new export controls The article "Computer Makers Worried By Curb on Software Export" by John Markoff appeared in the New York Times on May 22. If the new controls it describes come to pass, the implications for the Internet could be extremely serious. Rather than type in the entire article, I will quote the first two and the last paragraphs. "Export restrictions on software that transfers data among computers have been tightened in the wake of the Persian Gulf war because United States military and intelligence officials were dismayed by the difficulty the allies had in destroying Iraq's command and control computer links. "The software, widely available from American and foreign manufacturers, makes modern computer networks reliable and resistant to attack by rerouting messages in a network automatically after any single link has been destroyed. [...] "The communications technologies at issue are referred to as "datagram", "fast select" and "dynamic adaptive routing", and are used in many modern computer networks. They are hardware and software systems that make data communications highly reliable and permit networks to reroute information around damaged network links." Although the article does not specifically mention TCP/IP or the Internet, it does mention DECNET as one of the affected technologies. It doesn't take much of a leap of logic to see that TCP/IP would be just as affected. (Consider who sponsored its early development, and the motivations behind its datagram-oriented design). Even lowly RIP could be considered as a "dynamic adaptive routing" algorithm that would be verboten under the new rules - to say nothing of OSPF, or even BGP and EGP. A few hours ago I spoke with a lawyer who specializes in export control and is familiar with these proposed regulations. He confirms that they are planned to go into effect on September 1, and the full text is supposed to appear in the Federal Register sometime next month. He adds that there is an exception to the new controls for systems that only provide LAN capabilities - apparently the idea is to control gateways to wide area networks, not the nodes on an office network. I don't have to explain to anyone on this list why these proposed regulations are unenforceable, overbroad, ineffective and downright silly, but that hasn't kept the government from passing similar rules in the past and using intimidation to keep them in place (controls on public domain versions of DES come to mind). One glimmer of hope that I see is that these new rules would be administered by the Commerce Dept through its "Core List" (the successor to the Commodity Control List), as opposed to cryptography, which is considered a munition and administered by the State Dept. The Commerce Department has established a "general export license" for otherwise controlled information and software that they consider to be in the "public domain" (a definition they make which is somewhat different than the usual meaning - basically it means that the item must be freely and widely available to the public for the cost of copying, whether or not it is technically copyrighted.) My own KA9Q software, along with the Berkeley networking distribution and many ancillary packages (such as Cornell's gated) would seem to fall into this category, so these could continue to be freely exported even while a proprietary product (a Cisco router, for example) would require an export license. Indeed, I've been getting an increasing amount of mail from the USSR with questions about the usage of my software - apparently it is becoming quite popular over there. If we don't want to have the Internet ripped out from under us, this issue bears very close watching.
email.23 djovicevic,
<<< CATHY::NET$:[NOTES]E_MAIL.NOTE;1 >>> -< Electronic mail >- =============================================================================== = Note 17.50 BITNET/EARN/NETNORTH 50 of 50 BUEF78::ZVONKO "Zvonko Orsolic, RcEtfBgd" 8 lines 2-JUL-1991 16:31 -< Prekid EARN veze sa svetom >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Obavestavam vas da trenutno niste u stanje da svoje poruke prosledite putem EARN mreze jer je, od jutros u 7.00, negde u Sloveniji prekinuta iznajmljena veza Beograd - Linz. Zvonko Orsolic, UBBG::ZVONKO Elektrotehnicki fakultet Beograd
email.24 dejanr, -> #23, djovicevic
EARN sada radi. Ali, ponekad ima prekida u mreži. Mada, uz malo upornosti, sve radi.
email.25 hohlacov,
rz B00000000000000 Da li neko možda zna šta se ovo dešava sa UBBG-om ? Juče (petak) sam normalno slao e-mail i sve je radilo OK. Danas se prikačim na VAX-a i dobijem sledeću poruku: Local> c ubbg Local -010- Session 1 to UBBG established %JBC-F-PRCREAT, error creating process Local -011- Session 1 disconnected from UBBG Local> Zvao sam RC ETF-a telefonom i rečeno mi je da računar radi i da ne znaju u čemu je stvar mada su im se već ljudi javljali danas sa istim problemom. Još mi je rečeno da danas nema ni jednog programera u RC-u koji bi mogao eventualno da vidi šta je u pitanju. Da li su u pitanju povremeni prikidi o kojima je reč u poruci 11.24 ? Unapred zahvalan, Đorđe.
email.26 dejanr, -> #25, hohlacov
Danas je oko 14h UBBG normalno radio, sad sam probao da ga zovem sa RCUM-a (do koga idem preko JUPAK-a) i ista priča, error creating process. Verovatno će to srediti ovi' dana (ili sati).
email.27 dejanr,
========== security/long.messages #115, from cames, 5936 chars, Wed Jul 10 00:13:04 1991 Comment to 114. ---------- ELECTRONIC FREEDOM OF SPEECH Dave Hughes Prepared Remarks for the Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference, March 28th, 1991. I have been online for probably 5 hours a day for the past 10 years. At my own expense, as an individual. I have read at least 20 million words online during that time, and have produced probably a million of my own. And have operated a series of online systems from free BBSs to my current globally interconnected subscription, as well as free, conferencing system While my body lives in a delightful small place called Old Colorado City at the foot of Pikes Peak, which this microcomputer helped build, my mind lives and works in many virtual communities around the world. I use this technology for the serious work of building and defining the future. Personally, economically, politically, educationally, technologically, culturally. I am a Citizen of the Western Frontier of the Information Age. And from my 63 years of experience with the ways of the world and communications with those who live in it, I have formed a few strong opinions about how it should function. In the few minutes we all have here I will just stress one major point. If you do not live in the future as I do, then read my cursor. The first principle which I fiercely hold and will vigerously defend is that what I and others online are largely doing that is unprecedented in law, regulation or the general cultures of the past is speech. Electronic speech. Dialogue. Electronic debate. Discourse. Whether on the simplist local bulletin board run by a hacker, the largest corporate telecommunications service like Prodigy or Compuserve, on my own systems owned as a small business, or through the Internet to Japan funded by the National Science Foundation. From my riding hard to the electronic assistance of one of my sons in China at the height of Tianamen Square by alligator clips, cursor, Kermit and Procomm, to the connecting up of my tiny grandaughters in Seattle to global Barbie Net, to determining the outcome of elections in Colorado Springs by acts of Electronic Democracy exercised from the 1st booth in Rogers Bar which is equipped with RJ11 jacks at the booths, or dialing into the Well here in California to take back the best ideas to apply to my neighborhood, while leaving the rest of this crazy state, insufferable congestion, amd wierd values behind. And when this summer I am riding in the high country above Cody Wyoming with my western saddle, I am equipping with an LCD on the top of the roping horn, buttons on each side, and packet radio in the saddle bags, it will still be speech. It may be the fingers of the tongue for the ear of the eye. But it is still speech. Discussion. Not for the production of permanent records, or copyrighted material, or legal statements. But for mind to mind communication. We had better think very clearly in applying those first political principles of this nation to the governance of virtual societies we all will living in. When I think about the relationship of the future I live in, to the past of this nation it occurs to me that Benjamin Franklin would have been the first owner of a microcomputer - undoubtedly an Apple. Thomas Jefferson would have written the Declaration of Independence on an IBM PC in Word Perfect 5.1. But, by heavens, Tom Paine would have first published Common Sense on a pirate bulletin-board with a Commodore 64. I don't want any Corporate or Government Kings George treading on my cursor. We must have absolute freedom of electronic speech. Legally we do not need to confuse data as speech, with data as property. Or confuse either of those with computers and networks as place, or premises. We whose bodies may live in the disappearing physical frontiers of America, but whose ride out on the perpetual frontier of the electronic west, do not want to fenced in by regulation or law which prematurely tries to settle this territory. Or consolidate a political, economic, social, cultural revolution that has barely gotton started before we understand it. I am uneasy about what seems to be an implicit assumption of this conference. Which is that we need to rush to legislation. Some of us can take care of ourselves, using, believe it or not, our personal computers to defend ourselves. Over 100 years ago my grandfather on the plains of Colorado used twin Colt .44s which were called the Great Equalizers. In Old Colorado City, I use my laptop computer and modem as Great Equalizers to shoot it out on any political street with the most powerful interests in town. I haven't had to call the Marshal yet. So while I appreciate much that I have heard here so far in this admirable effort to bridge the gap between the free spirited cowboy hackers and the marshals of authority, be careful about the assumption that we need to DO something, even before we know what the natural laws of electronic communities might be. And while public human group activity will have to be redefined legally on account of the new technologies of the mind I am confident that we in America already have the precedences in, law, shared values, and daily practice for issues of property, publication, privacy and speech, in the Information Age so long as we concentrate on the activites, motivations and purposes of the people connected to these machines and not just the machines themselves, we can handle it. Thats enough for now. We can continue in the discussion. And I am always online somewhere in the world, singing my ascii songs. But bring your cursor. For Gutenburg is dead and I am trying to bury the old bastard. I cannot be found on paper, only screens. See ya online, pardner. Together we can make this new country work. Just beware of those suits from Washington or sandles from California.
email.28 zonjic,
Danas je u 'Politici' izasao clanak o 'prodoru' Instituta Jozef Stefan iz LJubljane u EARN (European Academic Research Network). Naime, u clanku se kaze da od pocetka sukoba u Sloveniji ljudi iz jednog odeljenja Instituta prosto zasipaju svetsku tehnicku javnost 'tragicnim' vestima iz Slovenije. Trebalo bi reci da to 'filovanje' 'najnovijih vesti iz prve ruke' iz Slovenije i Hrvatske ne traje od pocetka oruzanog sukoba u Sloveniji, vec da je pocelo mnogo ranije, da su se na razne adrese (pojedinacne, ali i grupnih korisnika) slale vesti, pogledi na razne situacije, apeli profesora pa cak i ministara na svetsku (ne samo tehnicku) javnost. Nebi bilo u redu osudjivati pravo coveka da o svemu ima izgradjen stav, kao ni pravo coveka da taj stav napise (izgovori), na kraju krajeva svi smo mi proizvod svoje sredine, i kao takvi imamo u vecini pogled svoje sredine. Medjutim, bilo bi u redu, da ne kazem i stvarno potrebno, osudjivati neodgovornost i pasivnost ljudi koji su u stanju (imaju mogucnosti) da drugu sliku te iste stvarnosti svetu predoce, a to ne cine. Ja, zaista, s obzirom da imam 19 godina i da sam samo student prve godine ETF-a, nemam neke velike mogucnosti da nesto poradim za 'opstu polzu'. Takodje, ja ne mogu tacno da kazem ko je taj ko nista ne cini (da lokalizujem 'sabotere' :), kao ni da tim ljudima kazem da to cine i da to treba da cine i da to moraju da cine. Mogu, samo, da predocim par cinjenica koje su mozda ovde manje-vise poznate. 1. Za sve nase ljude koji se nalaze u inostranstvu, a koji imaju pristup nekoj svetskoj mrezi za prenos podataka organizuje se re- dovno slanje informacija iz zemlje putem e_maila (el. poste). Razlike su, medjutim, sledece: - Iz Zagreba taj posao obavlja INSTITUCIJA (Institut Informatickih Znanosti), poveren je jednom coveku iz instituta, a ceo posao se obavlja u saradnji sa velikim info-organizacijama (VJESNIK, HINA, TANJUG...). Ovaj 'kanal' izuzetno je organizovan sto je sigurno pos- ledica velikog ucesca tamosnjeg drustva (drzave?) - Iz Beograda taj posao obavljaju dva studenta Elektrotehnickog fa- kulteta (Aleksandar Bakic i Srdjan Pantic) VOLUNTARISTICKI (BEZ IKAKVE NAKNADE). Ovaj kanal krenuo je relativno skoro, ali i pored voluntarizma slanje vesti je izuzetno redovno (CAK I U VREME ISPITNIH ROKOVA!!!), a kolicina informacija ide i do preko 100kb dnevno(!). Razlika ovog kanala u odnosu na prethodni je u sledecem : DRUSTVO (re- levantni faktori) U SRBIJI JEDNOSTAVNO NEMA POJMA ZA ELEKTRONSKI CASO- PIS "BECT", prikupljanje informacija obavlja se na najrazlicitije na- cine (do skora je jedini izvor info-a bila studentska manufaktura-pro- citaj novine, pa prekucaj zanimljivo, a u poslednje vreme ova dva momka BUKVALNO OBIJAJU redakcije BG-info kuca za informacije, pa svojim ske- nerima skeniraju, zatim sredjuju i salju). Mislim da bi zarad svih nas bilo bolje da istina o Srbiji(nepristrasna, nepartijska) stigne do svih u svetu. However, interesovanje okoline za to je ispod svakog kriterijuma. 2. Pritisak clanova BIX-a iz Slovenije gotovo je neverovatan ovih dana. Interesantno je da se iz Beograda kao JEDINI covek koji neistine o Srbiji pobija javlja Dejan Veselinovic i to cak PREKO TUDJE SIFRE. Samo se nadam da na ovo necete reci :"Pa ko mu je kriv, sto ne plati tih 120$ i plus telefon do USA". Pristup BIXena iz Slovenije je najces- ce 'filovanje' najnovijim vestima o krvoprolicu u SL od strane srpskih generala (vidjali smo izvode na sezamu), kao i stvaranje stereotipa o neradnim Srbima koji hoce da zive na racun marljivih Slovenaca. 3. U soc.culture.yugoslavia (nesto poput sezamovske GROUP-e) vec duze vreme 'nasi' studenti, poslediplomci i profesori u inostranstvu kojima je SCY prvenstveno i namenjen, iznose svoja misljenja o stanju u YU, politici, itd... U poslednje vreme se na par mesta (clanaka) mogao procitati npr. Apel Profesora et al sa Sveucilista u ZG, ili Apel Mi- nistra Rep. Slovenije (mislim za nauku) sa naslutljivim ili iz stampe poznatim sadrzajima. U isto vreme iz Srbije nije bilo ni jedne poru- ke (mozda i zbog nemogucnosti direktnog pristupa SCY, ali se moglo zamoliti nekoga ko pristup USENETu ima da poruku prosledi). 4. Ne treba zanemariti individualni pritisak na prijatelje i kolege (od 1.-3. su bili 'kolektivni') u inostranstvu koji se za samo par mi- nuta moze (barem pokusati) ostvariti. Ovim sam, samo, hteo da pokazem neke primere koriscenja elektronske poste, a ne niti da predlozim nesto ni da osudim nekoga. Mozda ce prvi komen- tar na ovo biti 'Pa sta radi ta Vlada' ili 'Pa dobro, gde su Autoriteti Srbije u raznim oblastima' ili 'Sta rade ti BIXeni', ali oni su na vama... Radivoje Zonjic
email.29 djovicevic,
Evo jednog dokumenta, koji su sve clanice EARN-a, pa time i Jugoslavija, obavezne da potpisu, pre nego sto dobiju pristup mrezi. Posebno obratite paznju na tacku 3.0. Sa te strane gledano, mnoge stvari koje se zbivaju na mrezi nisu u redu. Pozdrav Dragan ********************************************************************** EARN EARN Document Title: EARN charter Author(s): A Cohen, F Greisen Date: 1990/08/20 Committee: BOD Document: BOD30 90 EARN-MIN LISTSERV@UKACRL Revision: 6 Supersedes: EXEC27 90 Status: Final Maintainer: A Cohen Access: Unrestricted ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Approved at BOD meeting 24. EARN Charter August 1990 1.0 EARN OBJECTIVES ___________________ EARN (European Academic and Research Network) is a com- puter network open to all universities, educational, aca- demic and research institutions and organizations. The objective of EARN is to provide an information exchange system to satisfy the need for international academic and research cooperation and the fast, unrestricted exchange of data between the members of the academic and research community, for academic, scientific, educational and research purposes. 2.0 EARN MEMBERSHIP ___________________ EARN members are institutions in Europe, the Middle East or Africa. In addition, EARN members are institutions respon- sible for at least one node of EARN, who are able and willing to support communications with other EARN members. A node is a computer system, connected to the main EARN network directly or via a National Research Network with an agreed EARN Gateway, which is able to send, receive and distribute files, messages, mail and jobs, using appropriate communication standards and protocols as specified by EARN. 2.1 Country Eligibility Any country in Europe, the Middle East or Africa is eligible to connect to EARN as a FULL COUNTRY member and to nominate one director to the EARN Board of Directors. FULL COUNTRY members of EARN are considered to have the same status within EARN, independent of the size or implementa- tion of their national network. Any other country is eligible to connect as a COOPERATING COUNTRY and to nominate an observer to the EARN Board of Directors. Requests for EARN membership from the first institution or the national research network for FULL COUNTRY or COOPERATING COUNTRY members should be directed to the Office of the President of EARN. 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email.30 dejanr, -> #29, djovicevic
>> All use of EARN must be to the benefit of academia and >> non-commercial research. No commercial use, political >> activism or religious activism, whether direct or indirect, >> is permitted. Hmmm... sasvim si u pravu, sa te strane je ovakva upotreba mreže zaista "provala" u sistem. Ali opet, sa druge strane, primao sam i ja preko EARN-a svakavih poruka i od Amera koje nemaju nikakve veze sa "research", kako komerc. tako i nekomerc. A oni žive u pravnoj državi, šta onda za nas ostaje ? ;)
email.31 vule, -> #30, dejanr
Da, slušao sam i ja svašta na mreži, ali moraš uzeti u obzir da na mrežama ima prebrojivo mnogo ali ipak MNOGO računara koji niti su svi potpisali neka slična dokumenta, niti im EARN regulations nešto znače jer su na nekim drugim nekomercijalnim, komercijalnim, akademskim, privatnim, entuzijastičkim, spontanim ili bilo kojim drugim mrežama, a poruke stižu kroz ko zna koje gatewaye. Tu je još i nepovredivost privatne pošte što znači da za čitanje nečijih sranja, makar bila patološka, možeš da izvučeš i deblji kraj! Ovo naravno ne važi za konferencije, ali ja do sada nisam uspeo da shvatim da li se vršljanje naših prijatelja sa CATHYja radi privatno ili javno? To bitno menja stvari... Pozdrav Vule
email.32 dejanr,
Na BIX-u se pojavio SOURCE programa PGP10 pod imenom PGP10SRC.ZIP u oblasti Security. Na žalost, meni download preko VAX-ova jako slabo ide, a preko Jupak-a mi ne bi oprostili takav račun (oko 200K) :( Ukratko, ako neko ima načina, ova arhiva bi bila vrlo rado viđena na Sezamu. Da, program je pisan u C-u.
email.33 glisin,
Hips! Jel neko može ovde da ostavi (ili mi kaže gde je ako je bio) spisak nodova na koje se čovek može kačiti sa VAX-a? Ja znam BUEF78, BUEFQ5, BUEFGX, UBBG, RCUM i UNSIM (koliko se sećam). E, interesuje me još. Drugo, za koje od tih nodova nije upotrebljivo raditi sa PHOHE DIAL (nego je korisnije PHOME MAIL)? I treće, kako se chantranje i mailovanje sa drugim nodovima (daljim ;) ) odražava na EPS-ove ili nešto drugo? To je to. *** IGGY ***
email.35 zonjic, -> #33, glisin
Kada si u VMS-u otkucaj komandu show network (ili sh net). Pogledaj, takodje, help show. Jako je interesantno...
email.36 dejanr, -> #33, glisin
>> Jel neko može ovde da ostavi (ili mi kaže gde je ako je bio) spisak >> nodova na koje se čovek može kačiti sa VAX-a? Kaži SHOW NET, eto ih mali milion. >> I treće, kako se chantranje i mailovanje sa drugim nodovima (daljim ;) ) >> odražava na EPS-ove ili nešto drugo? Ništa posebno, trošiš procesorsko vreme i baferovane I/O. Ništa više.
email.37 glisin, -> #34, .bale.
>> =============================== >> 11.34 KOMUNIKACIJE:email * Poništio moderator >> .bale., 01.08.žet 01:33, 141 chr >> --------------------------------------------------------- :O A šta je tako "grozno" mogao reći na pitanje o nodovima? *** IGGY ***
email.38 glisin, -> #35, zonjic
>> Kada si u VMS-u otkucaj komandu show network (ili sh net). HVALA!
email.39 glisin, -> #36, dejanr
>> Ništa posebno, trošiš procesorsko vreme i baferovane I/O. Ništa više. I tebi HVALA!
email.40 glisin,
Hips! Pitao sam VAX-a za one nodove i dobio listu. Malo sam se raspitivao ko radi tamo i dobio da su mi neki nedohvatljivi. Al bože moj. Nego: šta je šta u onoj tabeli koja se ispiše. Izgleda ovako: Node Links Cost Hops Next Hop to Node 3.174 BUEF78 2 0 0 (Local) -> 3.174 BUEF78 ... ... Zanima me šta je koja kolona. Dva: kako za određeni čvor da saznam gde je, koja je mašina u pitanju i tako to. Recimo znam da se nod zove SNOOPY ali ništa više ne znam. Ima li neki info ili nešto slično? *** IGGY ***
email.41 zonjic, -> #40, glisin
Pa bre Iggy, otkucaj help komanda. Imas JEZIVO MOCAN HELP NA VAXovima!!! Ime noda ti je BUEF78, a ako te mnoogo zanima resto, kupi knjigu Vodic za VAX/VMS (Vinca je izdala...)
email.42 bulaja,
Nesto su me svi spopali zadnjih dana (s'o bas mene :) da napisem nesto o radu sa bitnetom i ftp-ovima, so here it is: Trickle │ ────────┘ Sa trickleom se radi tako sto mu posaljete mail na adresu trickle@awiwuw11.bitnet (kod slanja maila subject ostavite prazan), a u okviru poruke komande koje bogu biti ili /pddir ili /pdget ili /help. Sa /help dobijate help datoteku koja je prikacena uz ovu poruku, tako da se a tim ne morate truditi (sem ako help nije u medjuvremenu promenjen, ovaj je negde iz marta). /pddir ────── Bez argumenata daje spisak osnovnih direktorijuma. Trenutno su to MSDOS, MSDOS2, UUNET, WUARCHIVE, CPM, MISC i sl, ali vam je za PC programe najvazniji MSDOS (MSDOS2 je skoro prazan). Da bi ste videli spisak poddirektorijuma u msdos, u mail cete staviti komandu: /pddir <msdos> A spisak datoteka u nekom msdos poddirektorijumu cete dobiti sa: /pddir <msdos.direktorijum> , npr. /pddir <msdos.abc> /pdget ────── Sa /pdget <direktorijum>datoteka (opcije) naredjujete tricklu (a on vas slusa) da vam posalje datoteku koju zelite. Npr. /pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe ce vam poslati datoteku pkzip110.exe iz direktorijuma msdos.zip. Trickle ce vam poslati mail sa obavestenjem da ce vam datoteka biti poslata, i onda ostaje samo da je cekate, sto nekad moze da potraje i nedelju dana. Kada stigne datoteka, primicete je iz VAXovog receive, tj. otkucacete receive i dobiti nesto poput: $ receive Files for EUDAV: .... spisak datoteka koje su stigle ... RECEIVE> Iz RECEIVE> prompta otkucacete RECEIVE>receive /bin filename i onda ce je VAX iz receive buffera prebaciti u vas direktorijum. Mozete dodati jos i opciju /nodel (nodelete) koja ce file prebaciti u dir, ali ga nece brisati iz receive buffera. Ukoliko je datoteka koju vam trickle posalje suvise duga, bice podeljena u vise delova i kontrolnu datoteku bitctrl ili tako nekako, i tako poslato. E posle sa tim delovima treba nesto da se radi da se spoje tj. treba neki program za VAXa koji se spominje u 3kl_help, ali ja nikako niusam uspeo da provalim sta se radi, pa sa delovima koji su mi stigli nisam uspeo nista da uradim. Zato vam preporucujem da obavezno (kao sto i ja radim) koristite (SF (send file) opciju /pdget-a, koja oznacava da vam file bude poslat ceo tj. u jednom delu. Dakle, umesto onog /pdget-a u primeru gore, otkucacete: /pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe (SF Jos jedna opcija prilikom slanja je (UUE koja ce vam datoteku poslati UU kodiranu, a takve datoteke dobijate kao mail poruke (imate UU dekoder u r:\com). Ovo vam treba ukoliko vas username na vaxu nema mogucnost receiv-a, ali je sa ovim dosta teze raditi. U mailu koji saljete tricklu moze biti i vise komandi, npr. /pddir <msdos> /pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe (SF /pdget <msdos.abc>xyz.ijk (SF ... Kada sa receive primite datoteku, bice jos uvek neupotrebljiva, iz razloga sto VAX na kraju svakog bloka (svaki 513. bajt) ubaci CR (carriage return). Da biste ovo izbacili mozete ili da napisete program (a valjda ga ima i ovde negde u konferenciji) koji izbacuje svaki 513. bajt, ili da izvrsite sledecu proceduru na VAX-u: $ analyze /rms /fdl file.zip $ edit /fdl file Sada ce vam se pojaviti maska FDL editora, a vi cete redom pritiskati tastere (<Enter> na kraju svakog reda): M R CA N Ctrl-Z E sto redom znaci Modify - Record - CArrigage_control - Ctrl-Z - Exit Sada jos samo dajte: # convert /fdl=file.fdl file.zip file.zip pobrisite sve fdl fileove (bice file.fdl;1 i file.fdl;2) i prvu verziju zip datoteke (file.zip;1, prethodno za svaki slucaj proverite da li je napravljena datoteka file.zip;2) i ostace vam samo ispravna zip datoteka. Sad je samo prebacite na PC zmodemom, kermitom il' sta vec koristite i to je to. ────────── Thats'all za trickle server, ako vam nesto nije jasno pitajte, a imate trickle-ov help kao datoteku uz ovu poruku. Za ftp cu nesto napisati sledeci put. Bulaja
email.43 zonjic, -> #42, bulaja
O, bulajo! Inšalah, bismilah! O, sunce koje sijaš i kroz najcrnje oblake, o, mesecu na nebu koji vodiš putnika u noći, o, najveći među velikima, o, DEMOKRATO! Hvala ti na ovomu prilogu! Opetovano ti se zahvaljujem i blagodarim! rz
email.44 viktor, -> #42, bulaja
Zdravo, Hteo sam samo da kazem da ako koristite opciju (uue ili (xxe sve ono oko analyze i slicno je sasvim nepotrebno, tj. dovoljno je uraditi ili receive ili samo extract iz mail-a i to lepo uredno obeleziti kao ###1.uue,###2.uue itd. primiti na svoj PC i samo otkucati uudecode ###1.uue a on ce sam dalje da ih trazi redom... Dalje, daleko je lakse primati sa VAX-a na PC ASCII datoteku jer ako se prijem prekine editorom na VAX-u napravite sledece "parce" sa odgovarajucim brojem i primate samo njega, UUE tj XXE kodirane datoteke smeju imati ma kako secene parcice samo linije moraju ostati cele... Ja primam datoteke vec duze vreme na taj nacin i nikada nisam probao ovo sa analyze jer mi se cinilo uvek tezim i neizvesnijim da primam binarne datoteke u odnosu na one ascii .. Dakle, cini mi se da je tako lakse...no verovatno nesto propustam ... Pozdrav, Viktor.
email.45 bulaja, -> #42, bulaja
Whoops, zaboravih da prikacim 3kl_help uz poruku. Here it is ... 3kl_help.zip
email.46 vule, -> #42, bulaja
>> Iz RECEIVE> prompta otkucacete >> RECEIVE>receive /bin filename >> i onda ce je VAX iz receive buffera prebaciti u vas direktorijum. >> Mozete dodati jos i opciju /nodel (nodelete) koja ce file prebaciti u >> dir, ali ga nece brisati iz receive buffera. Ako je dotični fajl ASCII može se primiti sa /ascii pa onda ne mora da se prčka po njemu. >> Ukoliko je datoteka koju vam trickle posalje suvise duga, bice >> podeljena u vise delova i kontrolnu datoteku bitctrl ili tako nekako, >> i tako poslato. E posle sa tim delovima treba nesto da se radi da se >> spoje tj. treba neki program za VAXa koji se spominje u 3kl_help, ali >> ja nikako niusam uspeo da provalim sta se radi, pa sa delovima koji su >> mi stigli nisam uspeo nista da uradim. Zato vam preporucujem da >> obavezno (kao sto i ja radim) koristite (SF (send file) opciju >> /pdget-a, koja oznacava da vam file bude poslat ceo tj. u jednom delu. >> Dakle, umesto onog /pdget-a u primeru gore, otkucacete: >> /pdget <msdos.zip>pkzip110.exe (SF Najprostije je delove spojiti sa copy /append (valjda, ne sećam se dobro) onim redom kojim su napisani u bitctrl. Inače bitctrl je plain ascii fajl. >> Jos jedna opcija prilikom slanja je (UUE koja ce vam datoteku >> poslati UU kodiranu, a takve datoteke dobijate kao mail poruke (imate >> UU dekoder u r:\com). Ovo vam treba ukoliko vas username na vaxu nema >> mogucnost receiv-a, ali je sa ovim dosta teze raditi. Ovo je ujedno i jedina mogućnost za vaxove osim UBBG. Uzred još par saveta: ako neko skida fajlove bilo bi jako lepo od njega da ih UL na neke BBS ovde u okolini jer: 1) velika količina podataka straaaaaaašno zagušuje mrežu (trickle ponekad čeka i po par dana dok ne izvrši vaš zahtev) 2) ko je radio sa zmodem (ili ne daj bože kermitom) na vaxu zna kakve su to grozote pozdrav Vule P.S. by the way, ftp servis u prinstonu odnedavno ne radi za nodove koji nisu na bitnetu -> samo UBBG može da ga koristi :((((
email.47 vule,
Hi, Mislim da bi bilo jako zanimljivo za sve na bitnetu da se pomenu KONFERENCIJE! Naime toga ima toliko da se čovek prepadne. Put u konferencije je kontaktiranje sa serverom pod imenom LISTSERV. Najbliži nod na koji je instaliran listserv je (mislim) AEARN. Komande se šalju na isti način kao i trickleu tj. u vidu batch fajla. Razumno je prvo poslati HELP. Spisak konferencija se dobija komandom LIST, a izuzetno je zanimljiva lista svih konferencija na svim listserverima koja se dobija komandom LIST GLOBAL i ima oko 170k (!). Upisivanje u konferenciju se vrši komandom SUBSCRIBE koja se šalje na onaj listserver na kome je konferencija. Uostalom sve piše u helpu pa puno sreće. Uz fajl sam zakačio LIST GLOBAL od pre godinu dana, do sada se verovatno promenio, ali deluje inspirativno. Help sam negde zagubio, ali ako zanima nekog neka javi da ga skinem. Inače, postoji na internetu jedan nod na kome se drži opširna lista svih konferencija, ali koji je meni odnedavno nedostupan (nema više ftp-a) pa bi bilo lepo da neko sa ubbg skine to ovamo. Nod je nisc.sri.com, fajl je interest-groups u direktorijumu netinfo i ima oko 0.5Mb :) enjoy the world Vule liste.zip
email.48 vule,
Evo nečeg za srećnike koji mogu da koriste ftp. Fajl ftp_ano.zip je lista internet nodova po kojima se može slobodno prčkati. Pored svakog noda je kratak opis onoga što se tu može naći. (UNIXovci sa slabim srcem neka sednu) Fajl ftphelp.zip je help fajl koji objašnjava rad sa ftp serverom u Princetonu. BTW adresa je: IN%"ftp@pucc.bitnet" enjoy Vule svasta.zip
email.49 vule,
YE! Iskopao sam LISTSERV help file i opširnu listu konferencija! enjoy Vule liste1.zip
email.50 zonjic, -> #49, vule
God bless Vule! Jos nesto: Ovo ne razumem (a i nemam vremena!) - dobio sam poruku od tricklea da mi salje (ili je poslao?!) file. Mail koji mi je stigao bio je plain ascii. I zavrsio se gde i treba. Ja ne znam gde je fajl??? (Da nije stvar u sledecem: On me je samo obavestio da mi ga salje, a nije stigao i da ga posalje???) rz
email.51 kale, -> #43, zonjic
>> O, bulajo! >> >> Inšalah, bismilah! >> >> O, sunce koje sijaš i kroz najcrnje oblake, >> o, mesecu na nebu koji vodiš putnika u noći, >> o, najveći među velikima, >> o, DEMOKRATO! A gde je "O, PREDSEDNIžE"?????? :)))
email.52 alexa, -> #50, zonjic
> Ja ne znam gde je fajl??? (Da nije stvar u sledecem: > On me je samo obavestio da mi ga salje, a nije stigao i da ga posalje???) Upravo tako, stići će ti kasnije (ako stigne - meni neke stvari nikad nisu stigle, iako sam dobio obaveštenje da će mi biti poslate).
email.53 viktor, -> #50, zonjic
Zdravo, Da pokusam da pojasnim... TRICKLE-server ti javi da je tvoj fajl "spreman za slanje". Nakon toga ga stavlja u red za "expedition" Red se sortira po velicini fajlova i prvo se salju manji, jasno, i prednost imaju oni koji idu mail-om u odnosu na one koji idu kao send tj. oni koji su naruceni sa opcijom (SF jer su oni obicno veci... E, sada pocinje optimizacija cele mreze i to moze da potraje ako je mreza opterecena ili je fajl veliki. Dalje, cesto je cvor YUBGSS21 preko koga svi ostvarujemo vezu sa svetom iskljucen, tj. u Statistickom zavodu Srbije iskljuce tu aplikaciju zbog svojih proracuna i posta i fajlovi se onda gomilaju tamo negde pred tim vratima... Inace, sudbinu svog fajla mozes proveriti tako da posaljes TRICKLE-u naredbu /trlist i on ti posalje spisak fajlova koji su za tebe naruceni kod ostalih servera, spisak fajlova koji cekaju na slanje a oni koji nisu na spisku, dakle, putuju... Desava se da fajl "zaluta" tj. da ga program koji organizuje putanje po mrezi posalje po nekoj 'kracoj" putanji a ona ispadne daleko duza jer je sve to pitanje nepredvidivosti opterecenja ili ispadanja raznih cvorova... Nadam se da sam osim sto sam vas uspavao nesto novo rekao... Pozdrav, Viktor.
email.54 zonjic, -> #53, viktor
hvala rz
email.55 vule, -> #53, viktor
>> Desava se da fajl "zaluta" tj. da ga program koji >> organizuje putanje po mrezi posalje po nekoj 'kracoj" >> putanji a ona ispadne daleko duza jer je sve to pitanje >> nepredvidivosti opterecenja ili ispadanja raznih cvorova... Ako se ne varam earn/bitnet ja organizovan kao stablo?
email.56 zonjic,
Danas mi je stigao file sa trickle-a. Duzina je oko 20kB (Inace je duzina 80kb!!!) Da li mi je on to poslao samo deo fajla? Ako jeste zasto nije napisao imefajla 1/4 pa dalje 2/4 itd... To me malo zbunjuje.... Ja sam file extractovao i ostavio u svom direktoriju na VAX-u. Moze li neko da mi objasni strukturu poruke na pocetku onih uukaraktera (nesto BEGIN 6044.......)??? rz
email.57 viktor, -> #55, vule
Zdravo, Da, ja sam napisao glupost... Sorry, Viktor.
email.58 vule, -> #56, zonjic
>> Danas mi je stigao file sa trickle-a. Duzina je oko 20kB (Inace je duzina >> 80kb!!!) Da li mi je on to poslao samo deo fajla? Ako jeste zasto nije napisao >> imefajla 1/4 pa dalje 2/4 itd... To me malo zbunjuje.... >> >> Ja sam file extractovao i ostavio u svom direktoriju na VAX-u. >> >> Moze li neko da mi objasni strukturu poruke na pocetku onih uukaraktera (nesto >> BEGIN 6044.......)??? To je _neki_ deo fajla, a ako je dug 80k verovatno će ti stići 100tinak jer uuencode produžuje fajl (samo šest bita/bajtu je korisno). To koji je deo piše u Subject: liniji poruke, inače se vidi u mail dir. Oni karakteri na početku su tabela po kojoj se vrši dekodiranje jer (naravno) ni unix nije standardizovan (buuuuhuuuuhuuuu) pa se uuencode vrši na par različitih načina za koje je srećom nađen zajednički imenitelj u vidu tabele. Postoji i XXENCODE koji radi na sličan fazon ali se mnogo manje koristi (mislim da potiče od ograničenja nekog ibmovog mrežnog softvera, nisam siguran, u svakom slučaju stariji je od uu). Tačnu sintaksu i značenje tabele ne znam, ali pogledaj u decoderu UUEXE413.ZIP, (ima ga valjda i ovde, u \com) treba da ima doc o tome. Inače uuexe413 ti dekodira sve živo, ne moraš uopšte da krpiš fajl. pozdrav vule
email.59 zonjic,
Mislite li da je Izraelski TRICKLE manje opterecen? Ja mislim da jeste, ali nisam siguran... (pretpostavka!) Ovaj AU mi jos nije poslao II deo... rz
email.61 miro,
Ima li dobra dusa da me uputi kako da posaljem email nekome, recimo, u Ameriki, i jos mu adresa izgleda nesto kao slova@jos.slo.vca. Preko jednog prijatelja imam pristup na BG ETF VAX (BUEF78), i imam dosta iskustva sa VMSom, ali ne znam sta uciniti da posaljem mail. Help ! Pozdrav, O /█> Ů Ţ ▀ ▀ Miro.
email.62 alexa, -> #61, miro
> kako da posaljem email nekome, recimo, > u Ameriki, i jos mu adresa izgleda nesto kao slovačjos.slo.vca. sistem (VAX) ti ======================================= $ mail mail> send To: ubbg::in%"slovačjos.slo.vca" Subject: blabla ... i onda otkucaš poruku, završiš sa control-Z i to je to. Iz mail-a izlaziš komandom 'exit'. P.S. Sad tek vidim, u tekstu se pojavljuje 'č' - ali dobro, nadam se da će se razumeti (dakle, nije veliko 'ž' kao što piše, nego at-sign).
email.63 miro, -> #62, alexa
Puno hvala !! Pozdrav, O /█> Ů Ţ ▀ ▀ Miro.
email.64 vule, -> #62, alexa
> ... i onda otkucaš poruku, završiš sa control-Z i to je to. > Iz mail-a izlaziš komandom 'exit'. A ako je poduža otkucaš u editoru i pošalješ sa _send filename_. pozdrav vule
email.65 ndragan, -> #62, alexa
* P.S. Sad tek vidim, u tekstu se pojavljuje 'č' nema veze, to je i tamo i ovde ASCII 64; zavisi samo od setapa terminala kako će na ekranu izgledati. nema greške Bue_ NDragan
email.66 erol,
Imam slican probem kao i Miro, ali bih htio ici preko YUPAK-a. Moze li se to i kako? Imam preko prijatelja pristup YUPAK-u u vidu PAD terminala. HELP!!!! Erol.
email.67 miro, -> #62, alexa
Puno hvala !! Pozdrav, O /█> Ů Ţ ▀ ▀ Miro.
email.68 dristic,
Da li bi neko mogao da mi objasni ukratko kako je najlakse da dodjem do EMAIL-a. Moj tata je univ. profesor iz N, Sada i to mu treba za razmenu poste sa Amerikancima. -Kolika je otprilike cena pristupa VAX-u i koji je najbolji ? -Dali se onda koriscenje VAX-a naknadno placa posebno i koliko ? -Kako se placaju tel racuni ( do VAX-a ili do Amerike) ? Unapred mnogo hvala. Pozdrav, dristic
email.69 mvuletic, -> #68, dristic
Ukoliko je tvoj otac univerzitetski profesor, mislim da bi najbolje bilo da se raspitaš o nekim novosadskim nodovima DECnet-a (na primer UNSIM i UNS) koji pripadaju novosadskom univerzitetu. Negde u ovoj konferenciji mozeš naći i broj modemskog ulaza UNSIM-a. Alternativa ti moze biti beogradski UBBG, za koji se podnosi poseban zahtev za otvaranje radnog naloga. O cenama nisam dovoljno upućen, ali mislim da mnogi to koriste i besplatno. Plaćaš samo telefonski račun do VAX-a, za ostalo se brinu javne mreze, poput BITnet-a na primer. Miljan
email.70 mvuletic, -> #69, mvuletic
Još nešto! Pročešljaj dobro ovu konferenciju, sigurno ćeš naći nešto o korišćenju VAX-a u svrhe Email-a.
email.71 vule, -> #68, dristic
> Moj tata je univ. profesor iz N, Sada i to mu treba za razmenu poste > sa Amerikancima. > -Kolika je otprilike cena pristupa VAX-u i koji je najbolji ? > -Dali se onda koriscenje VAX-a naknadno placa posebno i koliko ? > -Kako se placaju tel racuni ( do VAX-a ili do Amerike) ? Ne znam da li se to odnosi i na NSD univerzitet, ali na BG uzmeš papir da si profesor i odeš u računski centar na ETF i dobiješ račun na računaru univerzitetske biblioteke. Pristup je džabe, najbolji je taj univerzitetske biblioteke jer je jedini priključen direktno na bitnet. Korišćenje se ne plaća. Tel računi se plaćaju i to rastu geometrijskom progresijom (lično iskustvo). pozdrav vule
email.72 vule,
Ako nekome slučajno zatreba, evo liste nodova koji imaju dvojne adrese na bitnetu-internetu. pozdrav vule bitint.txt
email.73 zonjic,
Evo svima jednog text fajla sa svim interesting groups itd... Izvinite zbog greske u interpretiranju 'B' bio je to ASCII DL sa etf-a ;) rz interest.arj
email.74 madamov,
Nešto čudno se dešava sa mail-om na UBBG-u. Već 4 dana ne dobijam nijedan mail sa lista na koje sam pretplaćen, ali mi zato redovno stiže mail od ljudi s kojima sam u redovnoj prepisci. Sve ostalo radi, tj. kad naručim neki fajl sa ftp servera, taj fajl stigne, ali poruka u kojoj me BITFTP obaveštava šta je uradio nikad ne stigne. Ista stvar je i sa LISTSERV-om, sve komande rade ( tražio sam review da vidim da li me listserv na određenom host-u još ima u spisku za listu na koju sam pretplaćen, fajl mi stigne u receive, ali mail obaveštenje ne ). Znam za još jednog čoveka na UBBG-u koji ima isti problem, pa pitam ovde da li još neko ima sličan problem?
email.75 zonjic, -> #74, madamov
Ja imam jos vece probleme!!! Sa drugom koji je na studijama u USA mogu da komuniciram samo jednostrano - on prima moje MAILove, a ja njegove NIKAKO?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Kune mi se da mi je poslao 4 maila juce a NIJEDAN niasm dobio?!?!?!??!?!?! Takodje yubgss21 sve cesce ne radi?!?!?!?!?! sta da se radi? rz
email.76 dejanr, -> #75, zonjic
Mislim da je prava adresa za takve stvari UBBG::ZVONKO. Ja sam mu se jednom obratio i ispalo je da zbog neke greške niko nije dobijao mail par dana. Naravno, grešku su jako brzo ispravili.
email.77 vule, -> #75, zonjic
> Ja imam jos vece probleme!!! > > Sa drugom koji je na studijama u USA mogu da komuniciram samo jednostrano > - on prima moje MAILove, a ja njegove NIKAKO?!?!?!?!?!?!?! > > Kune mi se da mi je poslao 4 maila juce a NIJEDAN niasm dobio?!?!?!??!?!?! > > Takodje yubgss21 sve cesce ne radi?!?!?!?!?! žekaj. Relativno često yubgss21 obavlja neke poslove za koje im treba svo procesorsko vreme. U to vreme se sva pošta negde spulira, a kad se opet pusti stvar sve dodje tamo gde treba. Meni se par puta desio delay od dva do sedam dana, ali je na kraju sve stiglo kako valja. Ako ti na kraju ne stigne naručeno ili poslato, onda je nešto crklo. Meni se dešavalo da mi jednom poslata poruka stiže par puta, a rekord je bio DVADESET TRI puta!!! Pitao sam gate administratora šta se dešava, ali se ne sećam da sam dobio odgovor... pozdrav vule
email.78 zonjic, -> #77, vule
> žekaj. Cekam. > U to vreme se sva pošta negde spulira, a kad se > opet pusti stvar sve dodje tamo gde treba. Meni se par puta desio > delay od dva do sedam dana, ali je na kraju sve stiglo kako valja. Pa iz tvojih usta u Bozije usi! Meni je kasnjenje vec preko 7 dana. Jos je neshvatljivije to sto kada vidim (testmailom) da svi linkovi do NDSUVM1 noda na bitnetu (north dakota state univ virt mach 1) ja posaljem mail TOG MOMENTA mom drugu sa usernameom UD203201 tamo i on za minut dobije mail. E, sad on meni poslalje testmail (1 ili 2 reci) i ja UOPSTE NE DOBIJEM njegov mail. Osim toga u poslednje vreme VEOMA cesto racunar u zavodu za stat. ne radi... Meni je neshvatljivo to sto nas link sa vascelim svetom ladno adi radi pa stane, a nodovi koji zavise od njega rade 24h/dan. ........rz
email.79 igor.mil, -> #75, zonjic
> Ja imam jos vece probleme!!! > > Sa drugom koji je na studijama u USA mogu da komuniciram samo jednostrano > - on prima moje MAILove, a ja njegove NIKAKO?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Isti slucaj sa mnom. Poznanik u Australiji prima moje poruke, a kada on meni salje, dobija odgovor da poruka nije mogla biti isporucena, posto node ne postoji ili nesto slicno. Pokusao sam i sa BUEFQ5 i sa UBBG-a. pozdrav od Igora
email.80 viktor, -> #78, zonjic
Zdravo, Dakle, posta na yubgss21, tj. cvor koji nas opsluzuje i salje postu u svet stize ali u naletima, dakle traljavo, ovih dana, ali ipak stize. Na cvor yubgef51 tj. ubbg nekako ovih dana ne stize uopste... Problem, dakle nije ni u Sloveniji, kako je neko na konferenciji ETF na ubbg-u pokusao da protumaci ni na yubgss21 zbog njegovog NEPROPISNOG iskljucivanja jer u ugovoru o cvorovima na EARN-u stoji da oni moraju raditi 24h/dan jer su na njih vezani drugi cvorovi...,vec na ubbg-u tj yubgef51 koji niko ne odrzava... ZVONKO je bio na odmoru i trebalo bi da se vratio 28. ovog meseca ali ga jos nisam video na sistemu ... Dakle, treba pritiskati svim snagama ili poste videti necemo ... Pozdrav, Viktor. P.S. O drugim tumacenjima zasto nema poste mozda nekio drugi ...;-)
email.81 vule, -> #80, viktor
> njih vezani drugi cvorovi...,vec na ubbg-u tj yubgef51 koji niko ne > odrzava... ZVONKO je bio na odmoru i trebalo bi da se vratio 28. ovog > meseca ali ga jos nisam video na sistemu ... Dakle, treba pritiskati svim > snagama ili poste videti necemo ... Niko ne održava!? Aiiii... To bi trebao biti posao UBBG::GATEADM ? pozdrav vule
email.82 madamov, -> #81, vule
Ja poslao Zvonku mail i izvršio pritisak. Još čekam odgovor, a situacije se nije promenila.
email.83 viktor, -> #81, vule
>> njih vezani drugi cvorovi...,vec na ubbg-u tj yubgef51 koji niko ne >> odrzava... ZVONKO je bio na odmoru i trebalo bi da se vratio 28. ovog >> meseca ali ga jos nisam video na sistemu ... Dakle, treba pritiskati svim >> snagama ili poste videti necemo ... > >Niko ne odrzava!? Aiiii... > >To bi trebao biti posao UBBG::GATEADM ? Dobro, ja sam preterao, verovatno neko odrzava sistem ali nesto kaslje ... Izvinjavam se na prejakim recima ... Pozdrav, Viktor.
email.84 zonjic,
Dakle, danas pogledam na UBBG show users i ugledam ZVONKO. Sledeci korak : pogledam na buef78 da li mi ima maila kad ono 2 new messages. Pogledam datume - oba 23-aug-1991 pocelo je, pocelo :-))))) rz
email.85 vule, -> #82, madamov
> Ja poslao Zvonku mail i izvršio pritisak. Još čekam odgovor, a situacije > se nije promenila. Ja pozvao zvonka na phone a čovek pobego. Verovatno ga mnogo dave ovih dana ;)
email.86 zonjic, -> #85, vule
> Ja pozvao zvonka na phone a čovek pobego. Verovatno ga mnogo dave > ovih dana ;) Da li si ga zvao na UBBG ili BUEF__ ? Ako si ga zvao na ZVONKO onda je jako mala verovatnoca da si mogao da ga dobijes - naime port na koji se ljudi iz RC-a javljaju dozvoljavaju po nekoliko sesija aktivnih (kao oni u RCu) i jako je mama verovatnoca da ce biti BAS NA TVOM racunaru... Plus danas je bio aktivan user SYSTEM (mislim da je to bilo povodom maila) sa istog porta sa kog i user ZVONKO (sh us/full) Da si ga tamo zvao mozda bi ga i dobio... I tako dalje............. rz
email.87 madamov,
Jutros, prijatno iznenađenje: 25 new mail messages. Nekoliko njih je toliko bajato, ko zna gde su ih držali do sada.
email.88 zonjic, -> #87, madamov
Pa ja sve sto dobih staro je po 7 dana i vise... ;)
email.89 igor.mil, -> #84, zonjic
> Dakle, danas pogledam na UBBG show users i ugledam ZVONKO. > Sledeci korak : pogledam na buef78 da li mi ima maila kad ono 2 new > messages. Pogledam datume - oba 23-aug-1991 Moja prica izgleda ovako: 1) Oko 15 Avgusta sam narucio nesto sa Trickla. Posle dan-dva su stigli mail-ovi oblelezeni sa "2 of 4" i "3 of 4". 2) Posto sam, posle duzeg vremena, zakljucio da su ostala dva komada negde zaturena, pre neki dan sam izbrisao ovo sto je stiglo. 3) Danas su stigli delovi koji su nedostajali. 4) Malo (ali sasvim malo) sam se nervirao. pozdrav od Igora
email.90 mjova, -> #85, vule
>> Ja poslao Zvonku mail i izvršio pritisak. Još čekam >> odgovor, a situacije se nije promenila. > > Ja pozvao zvonka na phone a čovek pobego. Verovatno ga > mnogo dave ovih dana ;) ranije sam hteo nešto da ga pitam i naravno da je čovek došao u phone. mislim da je sasvim ok tip, mada je glupo o tome prosuđivati na osnovu jednog chata od desetak minuta. tako da mislim da je verovatno bio u nekom poslu...
email.91 vule, -> #86, zonjic
> Da li si ga zvao na UBBG ili BUEF__ ? Ne znam i nije važno. Stiže pošta.
email.92 madamov, -> #88, zonjic
33 new mail messages today. Počelo je, počelo ...
email.93 dejanr,
Bitnet radi tj. preko njega se može slati mail u Sloveniju i Hrvatsku. Danas sam dobio mail od Maje i Darka Bulata, i od Mrkog. Pozdravljaju vas sve i nadaju se da će uskoro ponovo moći do Sezama.
email.94 zonjic,
Evo najnovije topologije bitneta - OBAVEZNO POGLEDAJTE! rz topology.arj
email.95 lanik, -> #94, zonjic
Bih ja pogledao, ali kako kada je u ARJ formatu? Ajde molim te lepo to ZIPuj pa da svi možemo da pogledamo... ;)
email.96 zonjic, -> #95, lanik
Uf, pa dosta je od mene pred ispite i ovoliko :-) Nek se nadje neko za LANIKA da prevede :-) rz
email.97 drakce, -> #96, zonjic
│││Evo najnovije topologije bitneta - OBAVEZNO POGLEDAJTE! ││└──── ││ Bih ja pogledao, ali kako kada je u ARJ formatu? Ajde molim te lepo to ││ ZIPuj pa da svi možemo da pogledamo... ;) │└──── │ Uf, pa dosta je od mene pred ispite i ovoliko :-) Nek se nadje neko za │ LANIKA da prevede :-) └──── Naš'o se jedan :) Pozdrav od Dragana PS: Mnogo lep način za QUOTE, obožavam ga
email.98 lanik, -> #97, drakce
Hvala! >> PS: Mnogo lep način za QUOTE, obožavam ga << Lep jeste, ali treba znati gde se na tastaturi nalaze ti @!ť$!" znaci! :)) --> Paint a dog with 256 colors, and it's still a dog.
email.99 zonjic,
Nesto se jako cudno ovih poslednjih dana desava sa postom koja preko bitneta dolazi iz USA. Kada se na to doda razlog da je YUBGSS opet poceo da se iskljucuje stvari su sve crnje i crnje... Da li bi bilo izvodljivo da jednostavno yubgss i yubgef zamene mesta? Mislim da bi to bilo x puta korisnije jer UBBG radi 24h/day a yubgss21 nikad nije siguran. Da li je to izvodljivo? rz
email.100 gobradovic, -> #20, zonjic
Skoro sam pokusao da iskoristim fajl mftu.exe koji si prilozio uz poruku (dekodovanje fajla) na VAX-u ali nece da radi. Dobijam poruku da ne moze da kreira neki image fajl ili tako nesto; kada u listu naredbe stavim i ime fajla za dekodovanje onda mu smeta previse parametara; dalje nisam pokusavao. Inace, zna li neko kako se moze nastaviti komunikacija sa USA preko UBBG-a jer izgleda da nam je mlada demokracija ovo nadalje uskratila. Unapred hvala za savete, pozdrav od Branka!
email.101 vpetrovic,
Na ubbg-ovom disku je ostalo jako malo mestoko 200 blokova ????).Ceo problem leži u tome da je to SIV-ov računar pa nema ko da kupi dodatnu opremu. Možda je to razlog za nefunkcionisanje prijema pošte. U svakom slučaju sutra ću imati detaljnije informacije. Vlada
email.102 bulaja,
Evo svezeg listinga SVIH MSDOS datoteka na Trickle-u. (#1/2)