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Messages - strani.sistemi

strani.sistemi.207 fancy, -> #203, snemcev
ŮŢ> PS Blue box je mala spravica koja "ubedi" računar u pošti da ti ne ŮŢ> registruje impulse za vezu koja je u toku. A ako to ne pomogne, nađeš šefa pošte, pa BOX, pa on bude BLUE...
strani.sistemi.208 dikla, -> #196, dr.grba
> Sta je blue-box? 'To quote Karu Bluel Marx, blue boxing has always been the most able form of phreaking. As opposed to such things as using an MCI code to make a free fone call, which is merely mindless pseudo-phreaking, blue boxing is actual interaction with the Bell System toll network. It is likewise advisable to be more cautious when blue boxing, but the careful phreak will not be caught, regardless of what type of switching system he is under. In this part, I will explain how and why blue boxing works, as well as where. Ind h later parts, I will give more practical information for blue boxing and routing information. To begin with, blue boxing is simply communicating with trunks. Trunks must not be confused with subscriber lines (or "customer loops") which are standard telefone lines. Trunks are those lines that connect central offices. Now, when trunks are not in use (i.e., idle or "on-hook" state) they have 2600Hz applied to them. If they are two-way trunks, there is 2600Hz in both directions. When a trunk IS in use (busy or "off-hook" state"), the 2600Hz is removed from the side that is off-hook. The 2600Hz is therefore known as a supervisory signal, because it indicates the status of a trunk; on hook (tone) or off-hook (no tone). Note also that 2600Hz denoted SF (single frequency) signalling and is "in-band." This is very important. "In-band" means that is is within the band of frequencies that may be transmitted over normal telefone lines. Other SF signals, such as 3700Hz are used also. However, they cannot be carried over the telefone network normally (they are "out-of- band") and are therefore not able to be taken advantage of as 2600Hz is.'..... itd, itd....
strani.sistemi.209 vujos,
Nisam dovoljno upoznat sa ABMBBS-om, a interesuje me koje uslove treba da ispuni korisnik da bi mogao da vrši down ?
strani.sistemi.210 spantic, -> #199, magician
> Mi i nemamo državu, so? Kako se uzme. Ali svakako imamo poštu kojoj ne pada na pamet da joj neko otkida od usta. Kod nas su se primeri "sigurnog" BB završavali astronomskim računima i kaišem po dupetu maloletnika ;)
strani.sistemi.211 dragisha, -> #197, dejanr
-> >> Šta je blue-box? -> -> Zvanje telefonom bez plaćanja računa. Tj. slanje nekog zvučnog signala -> koji "zbuni" poštu da misli da je veza prekinuta pa ne otkucava impulse, -> a veza i dalje traje... -> -> Onemogućeno je u mnogim državama širom sveta. Koliko sam upoznat (a jesam, jer sam znao tipa koji je to radio:) metod se zasniva na tome da prije nego što digneš slušalicu startuješ neki oscilator koji tvojoj centrali (digitalnoj) kaže da veza nije uspostavljena. Znači, centrala misli da ti još nisi digao slušalicu i ne šalje signal centrali odakle je potekao poziv za startovanje brojača. Problem je ako dežurni na nekom panelu primijeti da predugo zvoni telefon, jerbo mogu da ti rade šta 'oće ako te ulove. Nisam siguran, ali mislim da se radi o 1600 Hz. Tip o kome govorim je to koristio, zvali ga neki prijatelji iz USA i pričali su satima:). Da napomenem, izgleda da je ovo za izbacivanjem nakon nekog broja zvonjenja novi štos, jer po svemu sudeći može uspješno da spriječi korisnu upotrebu ovog metoda. Valjda je to to famozno 'onemogućenje':). -- [Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!]
strani.sistemi.212 snemcev, -> #207, fancy
>> A ako to ne pomogne, nađeš šefa pošte, pa BOX, pa on bude BLUE... Ne vredi... više ne obračunavaju ručno, sad to rade konpjuktori. ;)
strani.sistemi.213 dr.grba, -> #203, snemcev
>> >> Šta je blue-box? >> >> Grbo?!? Zar i ti sine Brute? ;)) Pa šta ja tu mogu? Pomalo se tek sad interesujem za tehnički momenat komunikacija. Inače, to je za mene transparentna stvar - bitno da odradi valjano... *** WARNING! *** Blue-box intruder detected. Intruder name suspection: dr.grba Contact your attorney and local police department.
strani.sistemi.214 dr.grba, -> #205, dsoskic
>> > Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! >> >> Niko te ne tera da čitaš njegove poruke.... ;)) :)) ;)) :)) Ovde se ne radi o čitanju, nego o veličini PAD-a.
strani.sistemi.215 .bale., -> #187, zonjic
> Inace, mislim da se zaboravio onu poruku o Radivoju Zonjicu ?
strani.sistemi.216 jerry, -> #208, dikla
>> Sta je blue-box? > 'To quote Karu Bluel Marx, blue boxing has always been the most able form > of phreaking. As opposed to such things as using an MCI code to make a free Kad smo vec kod blue-boxing_a i ostalih stvari, neke ideje: Svojevremeno sam imao jaaako mnogo telefonskih komunikacija sa Holandijom. Dugo sam razmisljao kako da smanjim svoje telefonske racune. I, posle nekog vremena sam dosao na sledecu ideju. Centrala na kojoj je moj broj, registruje prve cifre koje okrecem i na osnovu toga odredjuje tarifiranje. Ako okrenem prvu cifru od 1-7, broj je obican i tarifira se kao "grad". Ako je 8n onda je za neko *n* medjumesni kao i za prvi broj 0. (021, 018 i t.d.) Ako su prve cifre 99 to je naravno medjunarodna centrala i shodno tome, tako se i tarifira. Medjutim, ako okrenem 011 (Beograd) pa onda 99 za medjunarodnu centralu, moja centrala ce tarifirati kao da sam zvao SAMO medjumesni razgovor a NE medjunarodni!!! Sa 011 izadjem na medjumesnu centralu i ponovo udjem u Beograd kroz ulazni 'trank'. Sa 99 izadjem na medjunarodni 'trank' i zovem sta hocu ali placam samo 011!! :))) Ideja je bila delimicno odgovarajuca posto za tu caku znaju u posti i !skoro! sve centrale imaju i zastitu od toga. Ali postoje centrale gde je 'majstore' mrzelo da to rade samo ih treba naci. Elem, u to doba Jugoslavija je bila cela i bilo je puuuuno brojeva na 0nn. Poceo sam od 010 pa sve do 099. I na 051 99 31 (mislim da je to bio Sibenik ili tako nesto na moru) nisam dobio 'trotonac' za nepostojeci broj. Opa! Rekoh ja i pokusah da dobijem s'Hertogenbosh u Holandiji. Veza se uspostavila i ja drhtavom rukom, probe radi, odrzim telefonski razgovor od pola sata. Spremim pozamasnu kolicinu para za svaki slucaj (ako caka nije upalila) i sacekam racun za tekuci mesec. Ali vidi vraga! Racun koji je stigao je bio NORMALAN!!! Tada sam raspalio. Razgovarao sam svaki dan po sat vremena i nije bilo probema. Ali neko je verovatno primetio da se nesto cudno desava i te linije nestade. Ali to mi nije bilo bitno posto sam vec tih dana imao spakovane kofere za odlazak u istu zemlju. Interesantno? Ima li slicnih iskustava? (Mada je ovo vise za PTT ali kad smo vec poceli...) Pozdrav, The BlueBoxer.
strani.sistemi.217 jerry, -> #216, jerry
Izvinjavam se za uzasan prelom redova. Opet sam koristio proporcionalne fontove u Windows-ima.
strani.sistemi.218 jmodli, -> #217, jerry
pozdrav. > Interesantno? Ima li slicnih iskustava? ima. jedno vreme je radio (pre godinu-dve) taj sistem na 076. onda je prestao da radi tj. 076 nije mogao uopste da se dobije. od tada nisam probao, ali sad me podseti pa mozda i uspe (ali sada je racun malo veci koliko znam). ipak, pre mesec-dva sam pokusavao da eksperimentisem sa 01*, 02* i 03*. ako se dobro secam uspeo je 012. on je jedini uspeo iz prve, desio se connect i veza je bila odlicna (nisu se cule eksplozije impulsa). kada se desio no carrier (posle skoro sat vremena) probao sam ponovo i nije uspelo. probao sam i probao i posle mnogo pokusaja (preko 10) uspeo sam ponovo. znaci, trebalo bi biti uporan. ja sam, verovatno, imao srecu da mi se sa tim pozivnim desi iz prve, pa da ostanem na njemu. verovatno je moguce na jos nekim, ali treba imati vremena i strpljenja. ---------- josip modli ps: ako ovo cita neko odgovoran iz ptt-a, i 012 uskoro nece raditi :)
strani.sistemi.219 jovana, -> #214, dr.grba
>>> > Bale, ako imas i malo milosti, ATTACH !! >>> >>> Niko te ne tera da čitaš njegove poruke.... ;)) :)) ;)) > :)) > > Ovde se ne radi o čitanju, nego o veličini PAD-a. Ma šalji bolje ovako, nemoj attach! :))
strani.sistemi.220 toma, -> #216, jerry
■> Medjutim, ako okrenem 011 (Beograd) pa onda 99 za medjunarodnu ■> centralu, moja centrala ce tarifirati kao da sam zvao SAMO medjumesni ■> razgovor a NE medjunarodni!!! Sa 011 izadjem na medjumesnu centralu i ■> ponovo udjem u Beograd kroz ulazni 'trank'. Sa 99 izadjem na ■> medjunarodni 'trank' i zovem sta hocu ali placam samo 011!! :))) Ako se ovo stvarno obračunava ovako, pozivam vas kod mene u goste, :) na 035. Prolazi sigurno, ja malopre zvao ABM.
strani.sistemi.221 zonjic, -> #215, .bale.
> > Inace, mislim da se zaboravio onu poruku o Radivoju Zonjicu > > ? pa ono, m. kapor, gates, itd. pa tu negde na kraju kolone i moi ;))) mala shala ;)
strani.sistemi.222 vlad, -> #218, jmodli
> ps: ako ovo cita neko odgovoran iz ptt-a, i 012 uskoro nece raditi More nece raditi ni jedan, a ne samo 012 B(.
strani.sistemi.223 jerry, -> #218, jmodli
> > ps: ako ovo cita neko odgovoran iz ptt-a, i 012 uskoro nece raditi :) Moguce je da postoje mala vrata za malobrojne obavestene. Na taj nacin se svakog meseca (ili nedelje?) menja broj a samo privilegovani znaju ovomesecni (nedeljni). Znam da cak postoje i brojevi za upad u liniju kad je zauzeta. To mi je i demonstrirao covek iz poste. Dok sam ja pricao sa drugarom on je ispred mene, sa drugog telefona, upao u moj razgovor. (Centrala je bila stara 'metakonta'.) Sta li imaju na novim digitalnim???
strani.sistemi.224 jerry, -> #220, toma
> Ako se ovo stvarno obracunava ovako, pozivam vas kod mene u > goste, :) na 035. Prolazi sigurno, ja malopre zvao ABM. Obratite paznju da zovete na sopstveni rizik. Ko zna sta se u medjuvremenu izmenilo. Prvo eksperimentisite da bi proverili caku. Ako dobijete visok racun, nemojte mene kriviti!!! Be warn!
strani.sistemi.225 .bata., -> #219, jovana
ŔŔŔ Ma salji bolje ovako, nemoj attach! :)) Joxy.........nemoj da si surova... bata P.S. I piroman cita ovo...;>>
strani.sistemi.226 spantic,
Da li se još nekome događa da mu se kada je ulogovan preko Terminusa ( via JUPAK ) na Internet da mu se prekida file transfer na oko 80K? Dugo sam mislio da je to specijalitet Terminusa. Sada mi se to desilo na još dve slična mesta. Da li neko možda zna zašto?
strani.sistemi.227 jmodli, -> #226, spantic
> ... da mu se prikida file transfer na oko 80K? ja sam bio upozoren na taj prekid, ali mi se do sada nije desilo. malo saceka posle 80 kilobajta ponekad, ali nastavi. -- josip
strani.sistemi.228 m.dzigurski, -> #226, spantic
-> Da li se još nekome događa da mu se kada je ulogovan preko Terminusa -> ( via JUPAK ) na Internet da mu se prekida file transfer na oko 80K? Događa se i meni :(. Pokušao sam više puta da saznam zašto se to dešava, ali mi nista logično nije palo na pamet.
strani.sistemi.229 zdule, -> #226, spantic
> Dugo sam mislio da je to specijalitet Terminusa. Sada mi se to desilo Meni se nije dešavalo sa terminusom ali mi se dešava na Exec-PC-u sa tim sto ne samo prekine transfer već i vezu izmedju mene i jupaka. ZDule...
strani.sistemi.230 dr.grba, -> #219, jovana
>> > Ovde se ne radi o čitanju, nego o veličini PAD-a. >> >> Ma šalji bolje ovako, nemoj attach! :)) Ovo nisam razumeo.
strani.sistemi.231 mdukic,
Da li neko moze da mi objasni proceduru za pristupanje i registraciju na COMPUSERVE-u. Molio ─bih sto detaljnije. Hvala
strani.sistemi.232 spale,
Ako neko ima neku Actix-ovu grafičku karticu, molio bih ga da pogleda u uputstvo i napiše broj njihovog BBS-a. Ja sam ovaj broj iz mog uputstva dao drugaru da pozove, i on kaže da se na taj broj ništa ne odaziva, pa reko, možda je štamparska greška. Nikola
strani.sistemi.233 predragd, -> #124, m.hristodulo
> Borland 408-439-9096 Jel neko uspeo da dobije ovaj BBS. Meni uvek javlja da je zauzet. A baš sam se trudio. Peđa.
strani.sistemi.234 slom, -> #231, mdukic
> Da li neko moze da mi objasni proceduru za pristupanje i > registraciju na COMPUSERVE-u. Molio ─bih sto detaljnije. Evo nekih informacija o CompuServe-u. CompuServe ---------- has about 1.4 million users (September 93) all over the world, over 1,400 databases, 200 forums, 500 newspapers, online shopping from more than 100 shops and entertainment. It's like a large electronic supermarket. You can access the service though local access numbers in over 100 countries, through Packet Switching Services, and outdial services. The international NUA address is 0313299999997. A list of available forums can be retrieved from the IBM Communication Forum. Participation in forums is normally free (no extra charge). The IQuest database service gives access to more than 800 publications, databases, and indexes within business, public affairs, research, news, etc. Bibliographic and full-text searches. Some IQuest databases are physically residing on other online services, like NewsNet, Dialog, BRS, and Vu/Text (U.S.A.), Data- Star (Switzerland), DataSolve (England. It has TASS in the World Reporter database), and Questel (France). Sometimes, it is cheaper to use these services on CompuServe, than by a call to these services directly. The connect charge for CompuServe's Alternative Pricing Plan is US$12.80/hour at 1200 and 2400 bps. 9600 bps costs US$22.80/hour. Monthly subscription US$2.50. Using the Executive News Service (clipping service) costs an extra US$15/hour. An optional flat-rate pricing plan (the Standard Pricing plan) is available for US$8.95 per month. It gives unlimited access to over 30 basic services, including CompuServe mail, The Electronic Mall, news, weather and sports, member support services, reference and travel services. Hourly rates for Standard Pricing Plan members using extended services go from US$6/hour for 300 bits/s to US$16/hour for 9600 bits/s access. (Feb. 93) In addition, there are network charges. These differ a lot by country. For example, access through European CompuServe nodes has no communication surcharges during non-prime time (19:00-8:00 local time). CompuServe can be accessed by telnet to hermes.merit.edu, or 35.1.48.150. Host: CompuServe. A cheaper alternative is available for a US$50 (1993) one time fee. For information, type ? at the WHICH HOST prompt. Select "ACCESS information" from the menu, and then "Using the DIALOUT modems" from the next menu. CompuServe Information Services Inc., POB 20212, 5000 Arlington Centre Blvd., Columbus, Ohio 43220, U.S.A. In Europe, call voice: +49-89-66550-111, fax: +49-89-66 550-255 or write to CompuServe, Jahnstrasse 2, D-8025 Unterhaching b., Munich, Germany. To contact CompuServe Africa, call (012) 841-2530 in South Africa, or (+27)(12) 841-2530 for everywhere else. sm
strani.sistemi.235 skerl, -> #232, spale
Actix Systems Inc Santa Clara, CA 408-970-3719
strani.sistemi.236 dejanr, -> #234, slom
Hvala na detaljnoj informaciji o CompuServe-u. Uz ovu poruku je datoteka sa informacijama sličnog tipa o BIX-u, pa ako nekoga zanima... bix.zip
strani.sistemi.237 dr.grba, -> #234, slom
>> Mall, news, weather and sports, member support services, reference ******* Kako to da nikome ne pade na pamet da na Sezamu redovno ostavlja vremensku prognozu? Zašto ne biste dali pretplatu nekome iz Saveznog Hidrometeorološkog zavoda, a da on zauzvrat jednom dnevno ostavlja vremenske prognoze na rezervisanom mestu?
strani.sistemi.238 mdukic,
Hvala puno na iscrpnom odgovoru. Pozdrav MDUKIC.
strani.sistemi.239 domana, -> #237, dr.grba
~~~ Kako to da nikome ne pade na pamet da na Sezamu redovno ostavlja ~~~ vremensku prognozu? Zasto ne biste dali pretplatu nekome iz Saveznog ~~~ Hidrometeoroloskog zavoda, a da on zauzvrat jednom dnevno ostavlja A sta ce vremenska prognoza nekome ko sedi za komjuterom? :) Pyc
strani.sistemi.240 vilic, -> #233, predragd
>> Borland 408-439-9096 > > Jel neko uspeo da dobije ovaj BBS. Meni uvek javlja da je > zauzet. A baš sam se trudio. Interesantno je da kad god sam pokusao preko jupaka da okrenem BORLAND bilo je zauzeto, ali direktnim pozivom (par pokusaja) uvek sam dobio vezu. \bye
strani.sistemi.241 snemcev, -> #239, domana
>> A sta ce vremenska prognoza nekome ko sedi za komjuterom? :) Da bi je preneo nekom ko se ponekad odvaja od istog ;))
strani.sistemi.242 zdule, -> #237, dr.grba
>prognozu? Zašto ne biste dali pretplatu nekome iz Saveznog >Hidrometeorološkog zavoda, a da on zauzvrat jednom dnevno ostavlja >vremenske prognoze na Eto mogao bi ja da dostavljam podatke pošto imam pristup njihovim VAX-ovima koji sadrže te podatke i još mnogo što šta da bi vojska, aerodromi itd mogli da se obaveštavaju. ZDule...
strani.sistemi.243 dr.grba, -> #242, zdule
>> Eto mogao bi ja da dostavljam podatke pošto imam pristup njihovim >> VAX-ovima koji sadrže te podatke i još mnogo što šta da bi vojska, >> aerodromi itd mogli da se obaveštavaju. E, još da zamolimo sysopa da predvidi prikladno mesto. Dejane?
strani.sistemi.244 vlad, -> #239, domana
> A sta ce vremenska prognoza nekome ko sedi za komjuterom? :) Da na vreme iskljuci kompjuter pred grmljavinu. Nije sala bogami B).
strani.sistemi.245 adj.joe,
Da nema neko broj BBS-a ili Mailbox-a časopisa Byte, sa karakteristikama veze. Skoro je neko okačio brojeve nekih firmi u USA, među kojima je bio i Byte, ali za Byte sam dobio odgovor - voice sa druge strane : "... no connection under this number", a za WD je bilo samo đubre. Hvala unapred, .JOE.
strani.sistemi.246 dejanr,
U direktorijumu NOVOSTI je nova verzija spiska EXYUBBS.TXT, BBS-ovi u bivšim jugoslovenskim republikama. Taj spisak je dosta teško održavati; mislim da su u ovoj verziji pouzdani podaci o Sloveniji i Hrvatskoj, a ostalo se uglavnom prepisuje od ranije... ima li neko bolji spisak BBS-ova u Makedoniji, i informaciju o tome rade li uopšte ona dva BBS-a u Bosni?
strani.sistemi.247 bulaja, -> #245, adj.joe
│Da nema neko broj BBS-a ili Mailbox-a časopisa Byte, └─── BBS casopisa Byte se slucajno zove BIX :).
strani.sistemi.248 dejanr, -> #247, bulaja
>> > Da nema neko broj BBS-a ili Mailbox-a časopisa Byte, >> >> BBS casopisa Byte se slucajno zove BIX :). Hm... BIX jeste bio BBS časopisa BYTE (ili obrnuto :) ali su ga pre jedno dve godine prodali GVC-u (Delphi), a i on je u međuvremenu prodat... BIX i dalje tesno sarađuje sa BYTE-om jer uz tekstove uvek daju BIX imena autora (ako ih imaju), objavljuje se BYTE u ASCII obliku na BIX-u, neki moderatori su angažovani BYTE-ovi saradnici itd, ali je BYTE i dalje imao svoj poseban BBS, znatno skromnijih kapaciteta (jedna linija?) Znam da je aktivno radio pre jedno godinu dana, mahom radi preuzimanja listinga iz časopisa. Na žalost, izgleda da nisam sačuvao telefonski broj, a i ne znam da li BBS uopšte radi. U svakom slučaju, neko pitanje u vezi BYTE-a može se poslat na editors@bix.com
strani.sistemi.249 vcalic, -> #246, dejanr
>> li neko bolji spisak BBS-ova u Makedoniji, i informaciju o tome rade li >> uopšte ona dva BBS-a u Bosni? Koliko se sećam (nije mi fajl pri ruci) u pitanju su bili BBS-ovi koji su se nalazili u Sarajevu i Mostaru, a s obzirom na šta sada liče ti gradovi, mislim da je nemoguće da pomenuti BBS-ovi postoje :( Vlada
strani.sistemi.250 dejanr, -> #249, vcalic
>> Koliko se sećam (nije mi fajl pri ruci) u pitanju su bili BBS-ovi koji >> su se nalazili u Sarajevu i Mostaru, a s obzirom na šta sada liče ti >> gradovi, mislim da je nemoguće da pomenuti BBS-ovi postoje :( Hm, hm... Ta dva u spisku su nastala *posle* početka rata, negde ove godine, čini mi se. Tako da je moguće da još rade, mada ja čisto sumnjam
strani.sistemi.251 i.mandic, -> #249, vcalic
Ako mislis na Software Express,on je u Banjaluci,a ne u Mostaru :)
strani.sistemi.252 enterprise,
Hi! Putujem u Poljsku za 2-3 dana, tamo takodje imam modem, pa bi da upitam nekog koji to možda ima da mi ili dostavi na mail, ili ovde u konferenciji spisak BBS-ova tamo sa telefonskim brojevima ... P.S. Zvaću i Sezam, a i vraćam se u Beograd, ali za nekoliko meseci ... ;( :)K
strani.sistemi.253 predragd, -> #240, vilic
> Interesantno je da kad god sam pokusao preko jupaka da > okrenem BORLAND bilo je zauzeto, ali direktnim pozivom > (par pokusaja) uvek sam dobio vezu. Broj je sada promenjen. Novi broj je 408-431-5096, i sada se može dobiti i preko Jupak-a. Peđa.
strani.sistemi.254 zsiz,
Evo da obradujete vaše modeme za N.G.: 1. "Večer" Mikročip MM 389/91/119-089 2. NUBSK 389/91/230-151 Javna šifra: Knigi P.S. Brojevi su iz Makedonije, Skopje. 1. je pod-listak lista "Večer" i MM izlazi jednom nedeljno (nešto kao Vreme kompjutera) i to je modemski MMMM broj za vezu sa njima. 2. je Narodna i Univerzitetska Biblioteka " Kliment Ohridski" Skopje MM Server je sa 16MB RAM-a, 2x600MB HD-a, 13 terminala, tri štampača i sa jednim modemom. Pozdrav.
strani.sistemi.255 zsiz, -> #254, zsiz
Ispravka: Javna šifra za NUBSK je KNIGI a ne Knigi. Računari rade pod VMS v5.4 pa je možda bitno dali je uključen CapsLock ili ne. Pozdrav.
strani.sistemi.256 dejanr,
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strani.sistemi.257 fancy, -> #256, dejanr
ŮŢ> SYSOP: KIRIL VIDIMžE POžESEN SYSOP: KIRO VELKOVSKI Blagodarime, blagodarime..:)
strani.sistemi.258 malenovi,
Sa zadovoljstvom :-) obavestavamo da na internetu postoji Srpski Internet Node - tesla.mcs.com, koji sluzi kao anonymous ftp arhiver koji ce sadrzati arhivu sa informacijama o Srbiji I Srbima. tesla.mcs.com ce biti fully operational kroz maksimum dve nedelje kada ce poceti da prima tcp/ip konekcije sa celog interneta. Radi se na tome da se dodaju i dial-up linije a eventualno i x.25 (zavisno od troskova i availability of the funds :-) ---- from tesla.mcs.com:~ftp/INFO.SYSTEM Tesla is a 486/50 DX2, with 8MB RAM, 460MB SCSI HD connected to MCSNet via SL/IP link at 14.4Kbps using a Telebit QBlazer (V.32 compatible) and a Intel 9600EX dial up at 312.764.4527 from 00-09h CST. We are running FreeBSD 1.0e, with a number of customized software packages. Your friendly system managers are Nikola Malenovic (malenovi) and Velibor Marenovic (vm). ---- pozdrav, Nik
strani.sistemi.259 picard,
Hi! :) Moze li neko da mi posalje spisak BBS-ova u : Germany, Italia, i England Ako ste vec slali slican spisak kazite mi u kojoj je poruci .. Pozdrav ...
strani.sistemi.260 maksa,
Da li bi neko mogao da okačo listu par najzanimljivijih BBS-ova u Evropi i Americi. Nije za mene, a pomalo je hitno, pa ako može do uveče ... :) Thanks unapred.
strani.sistemi.261 .bale.,
========================================================================= ________________ _______________ _______________ /_______________/\ /_______________\ /\______________\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ ||||||||||||||||| / //////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ ||||||||||||||||| / //////////////// \\\\\\_______/\ ||||||_______\ / //////_____\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ |||||||||||||| / ///////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\/____ |||||||||||||| / ///////////// \\\\\___________/\ ||||| / //// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ ||||| / //// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ ||||| \//// ========================================================================= EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 editors@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 In This Issue: EFF Board's Kapor and Dyson Appointed to NII Advisory Council EFF Helps to Eliminate Outrageous Sentences for Computer Crimes An Arts and Humanities Policy Symposium for the NII (Boston, 1994) Commerce Dept. BBS Update New Outposts on the Electronic Frontier What You Can Do --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- EFF Board's Kapor and Dyson Appointed to NII Advisory Council EFF Chairman of the Board Mitch Kapor and Board Member Esther Dyson were 2 of 27 communications leaders appointed to the Clinton Administration's National Information Infrastructure Advisory Council. The Advisory Council will work with the Administration on developing a comprehensive telecommunications policy to meet the needs of both government and the private sector. Mitch Kapor established the Electronic Frontier Foundation in 1990 with John Perry Barlow and currently serves as EFF's Chairman of the Board. Mitch has testified before Congress on communications and computer topics on many occasions. His articles on computer networks and civil liberties, intellectual property, and software design have been published in Scientific American, Forbes, Wired and many other publications. Mitch was the founder of Lotus Development Corporation, were he served as President and Chief Executive Officer from 1982 to 1986, and designed the Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet program. Esther Dyson is President of EdVenture Holdings, where she writes and publishes Release 1.0, a monthly newsletter highlighting trends in computer technology. Esther publishes a second newsletter, Rel-EAST, which shares her insights in the newly emerging commercial markets of central and eastern Europe. Esther also sponsors the PC Forum and East-West High Tech Forum conferences. Esther serves on the Board of Trustees of the Santa Fe Institute; is a member of the Global Business Network and the Women's Forum; and serves as an advisor to Perot Systems and the Poynter Institute for Media Studies. The other members of the NII Advisory Council are: Delano Lewis, CEO, National Public Radio (co-chair of the Council) Edward McCracken, CEO, Silicon Graphics (co-chair of the Council) Morton Bahr, Communications Workers of America Toni Bearman, Dean, U. of Pittsburgh School of Library and Info. Sciences Bonnie Bracey, elementary school teacher, Arlington County, VA John Cooke, Pres., Disney Channel Craig Fields, CEO, MCC Lynn Forester, CEO, FirstMark Holdings Carol Fukunaga, Senator, State of Hawaii Haynes Griffin, CEO, Vanguard Cellular Systems George Heilmeier, CEO, Bellcore Susan Herman, GM, Dept. of Telecommunications, City of Los Angeles James Houghton, CEO, Corning Stanley Hubbard, CEO, Hubbard Broadcasting Robert Johnson, Pres., Black Entertainment Television/District Cablevision Robert Kahn, Pres., Corporation for National Research Initiatives Deborah Kaplan, VP, World Institute on Disability Alex Mandl, VP, AT&T Nathan Myhrvold, Sr. VP Advanced Tech, Microsoft Corporation Mac Norton, Attorney, Wright, Lindsey & Jennings Vance Opperman, Pres., West Publishing Jane Smith Patterson, Tech. Advisor to the Governor of North Carolina Bert Roberts, CEO, MCI John Sculley, CEO, Spectrum Info Tech Joan Smith, Chair, Oregon PUC --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: EFF Helps to Eliminate Outrageous Sentences for Computer Crimes Comments opposing the United States Sentencing Commission's proposed guideline for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act submitted by EFF, SEA (the Society for Electronic Access), CPSR and others have been taken to heart. The U.S.S.C. recently announced a *new* proposal for Computer Fraud and Abuse sentencings. Instead of the single guideline for all computer crimes proposed by the Department of Justice last year, the new guideline takes into account the intention of the defendant by directing the sentencing court to the most appropriate existing guideline. For example, under the old proposed guideline, a first time offender who accessed a computer without authority, copied a non-protected file, and posted that file to a BBS would get 10 to 16 months in prison with no parole -- the judge would have been directed to the Fraud guideline and would have had no discretion to craft another sentence. Under the new guideline, if that intrusion was not done for pecuniary or malicious purposes, the crime will be treated as a misdemeanor, and the sentencing range would be 0 to 6 months. Real wire fraud done with the intent to reap financial gain or to cause harm to the system would result in the minimum 10 to 16 month sentence. EFF is proud to have played a role in encouraging the Sentencing Commission to craft the new guideline. New communications technologies, in their earliest infancy, are becoming the subject of precedent-setting litigation. Overly strict sentences imposed for computer-related fraud and abuse may have the effect of chilling these technologies even as they develop. Until there are more cases on which to base a guideline, individual sentencing decisions are best left to the discretion of the sentencing judge, who presumably is most familiar with the facts unique to each case. Legal precedents, particularly the application of a sentencing guideline to violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, can radically affect the course of computer technology's future, and with it the fate of an important tool for the exchange of ideas in a democratic society. The Sentencing Commission is asking for comments by March 18, 1994. It's important that we all tell the U.S.S.C. that we're happy with the new proposed guideline for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. In the very near future, EFF will be setting up an electronic mailbox to receive electronic comments. In the meantime, written comments can be sent to: United States Sentencing Commission One Columbus Circle, N.E. Suite 2-500, South Lobby Washington, DC 20002-8002 Attention: Public Information A copy of the proposed guidelines is located at 58 Fed. Reg. 67522 or on ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Issues/Legal/sentencing.amendment --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: An Arts and Humanities Policy Symposium for the NII (Boston, 1994). CALL FOR PAPERS, PANELS, AND PRESENTATIONS On October 14th, 15th and 16th, the Center for Art Research in Boston will sponsor a National Symposium on Proposed Arts and Humanities Policies for the National Information Infrastructure. Participants will explore the impact of the Clinton Administration's AGENDA FOR ACTION and proposed NII legislation on the future of the arts and the humanities in 21st Century America. The symposium will bring together government officials, academics, artists, writers, representatives of arts and cultural institutions and organizations, and other concerned individuals from many disciplines and areas of interest to discuss specific issues of policy which will effect the cultural life of *all* Americans during the coming decades. To participate, submit a 250-word abstract of your proposal for a paper, panel-discussion or presentation, accompanied by a one-page vitae, by March 15, 1994. Special consideration will be given to those efforts that take a critical perspective of the issues, and are concerned with offering specific alternatives to current administration and congressional agendas. The proceedings of the symposium will be video-taped, and papers and panels will be published on CD-ROM. For further information, reply to: Jay Jaroslav, Director jaroslav@artdata.win.net CENTER FOR ART RESEARCH 241 A Street Boston, MA voice: (617) 451-8030 02210-1302 USA fax: (617) 451-1196 --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: Commerce Dept. BBS Update The anouncement in EFFector Online Volume 6 No. 4 about the "Commerce Dept.'s Economic Bulletin Board on the Internet" was both out of date and incomplete. Thanks to kradov@world.std.com and wild@access.digex.net for this update. Most of this stuff is available by gopher, anon ftp, or telnet from una.hh.lib.umich.edu. The University of Michigan library runs a mirror of the Commerce Dept. electronic bulletin board as well. PRICING: Here is the pricing for the EBB. Note: Flat rate subscribers will not pay an additional per file charge for FTP access. Contact Amy Williams at the Commerce Dept. if you have any further questions. The Office of Business Analysis is pleased to announce, starting on Friday, October 1, 1993, new services and new price options for public use of the Economic Bulletin Board will go into effect. These steps are being taken in response to public demand for additional services, to bring the cost of accessing the EBB using higher speed modems and the Internet in line with charges for the current basic service, and to simplify billing and accounting procedures. These changes are highlighted below. BROWSEABLE TOPS: EBB customers accessing trade opportunity (TOPS) files have been required to download an entire file to determine if there are any leads for the types of goods their company represents. Browseable TOPS will allow customers to specify a harmonized tariff code; the EBB will search for that code and create a file containing TOPS for that product if any are available. These specialized TOP files may be downloaded like regular EBB files. ONE-STOP SUBSCRIPTION FEE: Beginning October 1, the annual subscription fee for the EBB will be $45.00. Customers will be able to use the same account number to access all three types of EBB service: the standard service (300, 1200, or 2400 baud), the high speed service (9600 BPS), and access through the Internet using telnet. There will be no additional charge to current subscribers until the end of their subscription period when the renewal cost will increase to $45. MORE FREE TIME: The connect charge credit has been increased to $20 as part of the $45 subscription fee. Standard service customers will now be able to receive 100-400 minutes of free time (depends on time of day called) before connect-time charges start to accrue. For the first time, 9600 BPS and Internet customers will also receive free connect time as part of their subscription. More free time means fewer bills will be sent to low volume customers. CONNECT-TIME CHARGES REDUCED: Connect-time charges for 9600 BPS customers have been reduced from $.50 per minute of use at all times of the day to a sliding rate depending on the time of day called. These charges, which will also apply to Internet customers, are summarized at the end of this announcement. FLAT RATE ACCOUNTS: Large-volume EBB customers may want to consider using one of two flat rate accounts that are now available; one fixed fee covers EBB use for the entire year. Flat rate 1 ($250 per year) allows the subscriber to use the EBB for up to one hour each day. Need more than one hour per day? Flat rate 2 ($400 per year) gives major EBB users such as educational institutions up to four hours of access each day. NOTE: flat rate accounts cannot be used on the EBB during the peak price period (8 AM to noon, Eastern time). FUTURE PLANS: The EBB is now available on the Internet; in the near future, file transfer protocol (FTP) and e-mail services will be made available. The same annual subscription and user identification code will give users access to these services. We plan to charge for these services by the file transferred rather than per minute connected. We expect these charges to be based upon the size of the file ranging from $1.00 for files up to 150 kilobytes to $3.00 for files larger than 500 kilobytes. EBB Charges as of October 1, 1993 The public may obtain full EBB services in two ways; (1) subscription fee plus connect-time charge or (2) flat annual rate account. Subscription Fee basis: Annual subscription fee $45 Credit for connect charges $20 Connect charges (300, 1200, or 2400 baud) 8 AM - noon $.20 per minute noon - 6 PM $.15 per minute 6 PM - 8 AM (all day weekends and holidays $.05 per minute Connect charges (9600 BPS and telnet access via Internet) 8 AM - noon $.40 per minute noon - 6 PM $.30 per minute 6 PM - 8 AM (all day weekends and holidays $.10 per minute Flat Rate Account basis: Option 1 (up to one hour per day) $250 annual fee Option 2 (up to four hours per day) $400 annual fee Note: Single fee covers all EBB charges for entire year; no additional connect-time fees are charged. Flat rate accounts do not have access to the EBB during peak hours of 8 AM - noon. Subscribers and flat rate account holders may access all EBB services with the same account number. --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: New Outposts on the Electronic Frontier New organizations and groups, like and allied with EFF but separate entities, are forming in various parts of the world. Here is some contact information for three of them, all of which, incidentally, are arising in areas once on the furthest edges of "real life" frontiers: Texas and Australia. If you are interested in such efforts in your own area, please feel free to discuss it on comp.org.eff.talk. If interested in starting such an organization, you may wish to participate in the "TheseGroups" mailing list (send a request to thesegroups-request@tic.com), which exists for discussion and cross-fertilization between such organizations, and includes EFF-Austin, New York City's Society for Electronic Access and many other online activism groups and individuals. Please note that TheseGroups is for serious work and idea exchange between active members and staff of civil liberties and online advocacy groups, and is a private list, not a general chat forum. * Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) EFA is still in the process of forming and getting organized. Early in 1994 Electronic Frontiers Australia will be formed to define, promote and defend the rights of electronic network users. This new organisation will be similar to EFF in the USA. Michael Baker <mbaker@apanix.apana.org.au> has announced the incept of a new Internet mailing list forum for discussion and planning in the effort to form a public interest electronic civil liberties organization in Australia. If you want to join EFA contact Michael Baker at any of his addresses listed below. If you want to take part in the formation of EFA (and influence its basic objectives and policies), send a subscribe request to the list request address listed below. General: Michael Baker <mbaker@apanix.apana.org.au> CompuServe: Michael Baker <100026,1312> FidoNet: Michael Baker, 3:800/838 Mailing list requests: efa-request@iinet.com.au FTP: ftp.eff.org, pub/Groups/EF-Australia EFA, c/o Michael Baker P.O. Box 5 Flaxley SA 5153 Australia Voice: +61 08 388 8439 Fax: +61 08 388 9532 * Electronic Frontiers Houston (EFH) "Electronic Frontiers Houston" (EFH) is a non-profit corporation devoted to working with and for the Houston computer and telecommunications community. Working in alliance with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFF-Austin and other national and regional organizations, EFH acts as a focal point for the diverse set of individuals who find themselves involved in computer communications. Included on the EFH's agenda are: advocating civil liberty issues in "cyberspace," promoting wider public access to computer networks, exploring artistic and social implications of new digital media, and educating the public about the increasingly important on-line world. There are several ways to contact EFH: (1) Electronic Mail EFH can be reached via electronic mail from almost every major computer network. There are several important addresses: (a) General Inquiries/Business Internet: efh@blkbox.com WWIVnet: efh@5285 FidoNet: efh@blkbox.com via 1:106/88 Compuserve: INTERN:efh@blkbox.com America On-Line: efh@blkbox.com Genie: efh@blkbox.com@INET# (b) Board of Directors, Officers and a few others Internet: efh-directors@blkbox.com WWIVnet: efh-directors@5285 FidoNet: efh-directors@blkbox.com via 1:106/88 Compuserve: INTERN:efh-directors@blkbox.com America On-Line: efh-directors@blkbox.com Genie: efh-directors@blkbox.com@INET# (2) USENET News For those with access to USENET, there is a special newsgroup devoted to EFH discussion and announcements -- houston.efh.talk It can be accessed using your normal USENET news reader. (3) Bulletin Board Modem users can dial into The Bamboo Gardens BBS, a Houston computer bulletin board which has donated space to the EFH for discussion and dissemination of on-line documents. The phone number is is (713) 665-4656. The modem accepts speeds of up to 14.4 bps. Users may set up a new user account or use the special EFH account by logging on as "EFH GUEST" with the password "EFH" and entering "0000" as the last four digits of your phone number when requested. (4) US Mail EFH 2476 Bolsover #145 Houston, TX 77005. (5) Telephone (Voice) Ed Cavazos at (713) 661-1561 (6) Gopher and FTP For those with access to the Internet, Gopher and FTP access to the EFH archives are available thanks to facilities donated by Texas Internet Consultants. For Gopher access, gopher to "gopher.tic.com" port 70. Look in the "Electronic Frontiers Houston" directory. For FTP access, ftp to "ftp.tic.com". Log in as "anonymous" and enter your e-mail address as a password. Type "cd EFH" to go the EFH's directory. * EFF-Austin Computer-based communication media like electronic mail are creating new forms of community -- the first settlements on an electronic frontier. Our laws and cultural norms, however, do not properly define the rights and responsibilities of the members of these new communities. Conflicts come about as the law struggles with "places" where fundamental notions of speech, property, and place take profoundly new forms. - Protect Your Rights on the Net Law enforcement activities in recent years, publicized as "cracking down on crackers," were in fact seizing computer systems of innocent parties and shutting down bulletin boards used by hundreds of utterly innocent people. These activities, whether through ignorance or malice, deprived many people of legitimate Constitutional rights, chilled free expression and stunted the growth of the Net. EFF-Austin was formed to protect constitutional guarantees of free speech and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure for users of computer networks. Experience has taught us that these freedoms must be fought for if they are to survive in the online world. - Join EFF-Austin EFF-Austin was created as an experimental local chapter of the national EFF but became independent in 1993 while retaining contacts with the parent organization. We're heavily involved in public speaking, education, and advocacy of constitutional rights in cyberspace. We're Austin's forum for discussion of all concerns related to the cutting edge where society meets technology. Contact EFF-Austin by USMail: EFF-Austin PO Box 18957 Austin, TX 78760 by EMail: eff-austin@tic.com or by voice mail: (512)465-7871 --==--==--==-<>-==--==--==-- Subject: What You Can Do "Freedom is fostered when the means of communication are dispersed, decentralized, and easily available, as are printing presses or microcomputers." --Ithiel de Sola Pool from _Technologies of Freedom_ There is more than money at stake in the debate over the development of America's communications highways. Educate yourself. Join EFF. The Administration is currently making decisions that will affect your ability to communicate in the future? Who's protecting your interests? The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is working with legislators to make sure that principles guaranteeing free speech, privacy and affordable service to consumers are written into new communications legislation. Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA) has already incorporated much of EFF's Open Platform vision into his NII proposal (H.R. 3626). But the fight is not yet won. The only way to make sure that future networks will serve *you* is to become involved. Join EFF and receive regular updates on what's happening and action alerts when immediate action becomes critical. Blind trust in the system won't help you. Take control of your future. EFF is a respected voice for the rights of users of online technologies. We feel that the best way to protect your online rights is to be fully informed and to make your opinions heard. EFF members are informed, and are making a difference. 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strani.sistemi.262 astral, -> #261, .bale.
│Ţ█Ů█ EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 │Ţ█Ů█ editors@eff.org Bale, da li si primetio da ta poruka ima 25kb ??!! :( So help us God :)
strani.sistemi.263 index, -> #261, .bale.
÷■÷ EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 ÷■÷ editors@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier ÷■÷ Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 Razumem ja da vezivanje fajla uz poruku uzima puno vremena ;) i da te mrzelo da to radiš, ali 26K je 26K ;(. Zar ti se ne čini da je to malo predugo za poruku, ma šta u njoj bilo? Nenad
strani.sistemi.264 paki, -> #261, .bale.
­> EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 Pliz, Bale, sledeći put okači uz poruku :(
strani.sistemi.265 .bale., -> #262, astral
ŮŢBale, da li si primetio da ta poruka ima 25kb ??!! :( Zar? O;-) Regards from .bale. ! #:*)+-<
strani.sistemi.266 zotasevic,
Neko je ovde jos pre godinu dana (cini mi se .bale) prikacio bazu SAT TV kanala sa programom SBC za azuriranje. Moze li se dati na uvid neki noviji update ?
strani.sistemi.267 snemcev, -> #264, paki
>>­> EFFector Online Volume 7 No. 1 01/07/1994 >> >> Pliz, Bale, sledeći put okači uz poruku :( Vidim da se isplatio moj ignore. Izgleda šašavo, ali mene glava više ne boli.
strani.sistemi.268 spantic,
Pošto već govorimo o priključenju Internetu, uz poruke su dodeljeni domeni na Internetu. Ima zanimljivih stvari kad smo već kod toga. cc.zip
strani.sistemi.269 spantic,
Kako se priključiti Internetu? ji.zip
strani.sistemi.270 spantic,
Kako doći do Interneta? int.zip
strani.sistemi.271 pedjak,
Koji je NUA za ABM BBS ?
strani.sistemi.272 snemcev, -> #271, pedjak
>> Koji je NUA za ABM BBS ? 62931611003025
strani.sistemi.273 bestbp, -> #272, snemcev
Da li neko zna pribliznije da objasni sta je to GOD ? thnx
strani.sistemi.274 slom, -> #273, bestbp
>Da li neko zna pribliznije da objasni sta je to GOD ? GOD = Global OutDial Ukratko, obican OutDial vazi za jednu drzavu/oblast, a GOD vazi za ceo svet. sm
strani.sistemi.275 dr.grba,
žuo sam jednu totalno iščašenu, paranoičnu priču o kojoj ne znam šta da mislim, tek ako je fantastika, onda bi se tu dala sastaviti dobra priča. A ako je istina... žovek koji radi u Interpolu jedne zapadnoevropske zemlje tvrdi da je povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vešto prikrivena stvar, jer neki od tih aparata NE POSTOJE, nego se nekim programom simulira izmena stanja u njima. Svrha tih "aparata" je prenošenje šifrovanih naredbi vladinim agentima u belom svetu. Šta mislite?
strani.sistemi.276 rkramer, -> #274, slom
C:\> C:\> GOD = Global OutDial C:\> C:\> Ukratko, obican OutDial vazi za jednu C:\> drzavu/oblast, a GOD vazi za ceo svet. Ok, ajd' nam lepo ti sada UKRATKO objasni koji je postupak zvanja preko Global OutDial-a? Mislim kako se upisuje pozivni broj zemlje, oblasti (grada) itd... Pozdrav, RKRAMER
strani.sistemi.277 mikis, -> #275, dr.grba
+> Covek koji radi u Interpolu jedne zapadnoevropske zemlje tvrdi da je +> povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vesto prikrivena stvar, A sta su to Coca cola aparati? Cuo sam da se negde pominju, ali nisam razumeo u kom kontekstu. Sto se price tice... Prilicno paranoicno! :)
strani.sistemi.278 dejanr, -> #275, dr.grba
>> povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vešto prikrivena stvar, >> jer neki od tih aparata NE POSTOJE, nego se nekim programom simulira >> izmena stanja u njima. Svrha tih "aparata" je prenošenje šifrovanih >> naredbi vladinim agentima u belom svetu. >> Šta mislite? Mislim da bi to bilo jako glupo od vlade (što ne znači da nije tako :)) Taj Coca Cola automat je nešto neobično, skreće pažnju na sebe, ljudi finger-uju itd. Ako već treba da se prenosi uputstvo, mnogo bi pametnije bilo napraviti neke korisnike sa neupadljivim imenima (ne baš john.smith :) po raznim sistemima, pa onda uputstva prenositi na finger to_ime.
strani.sistemi.279 .bale., -> #277, mikis
>+> Covek koji radi u Interpolu jedne zapadnoevropske zemlje tvrdi da je >+> povezivanje Coca Cola aparata u Internet vrlo vesto prikrivena > stvar, > > A sta su to Coca cola aparati? Cuo sam da se negde pominju, ali > nisam razumeo u kom kontekstu. > Sto se price tice... Prilicno paranoicno! :) Pa ti, nazovi Coca Cola aparati, su navodno oni automati za konzerve sa Coca Cola-om, zakaceni mreznom karticom u Internet i kada otkucas 'finger adresa.automata', dobijes neku poruku u stilu 'ima jos 15 konzervi'. Ili je perverzija, posto mozes da zoves automat za Coca Colu sa jedno 20,000 km i pitas sta ima u njemu, ili je nesto drugo. Mada mi zvuci suvise glupo da Interpol koristi nesto sto je dostupno bilo kome.
strani.sistemi.280 dejanr,
========== internet/faq #4, from thefuzz, 350 chars, Thu Dec 30 01:04:00 1993 ---------- TITLE: Dumb Questions FAQ #3: Is there such a thing as a dumb question? Answer: Yes. FAQ #4: Will I be embarrased asking one? Answer: Yes FAQ #5: Since I will be embarrased by asking stupid questions, why should I ask? Answer: Because only then will one learn the secrets of the Internet and the monster lurking therein.
strani.sistemi.281 banek,
Da li neko zna šta je sa makedonskim MIPS-om. Zovem ali se njihov modem ne javlja.
strani.sistemi.282 .marko., -> #279, .bale.
-->> Mada mi zvuci suvise glupo da Interpol koristi nesto sto je dostupno -->> bilo kome. U tome i jeste trik, mali je ovo svet koliki su to razbojnici :)))!
strani.sistemi.283 banek,
Kako da se priključim na Internet preko Slovenije? Može li to uopšte? Banek
strani.sistemi.284 banek,
Da li neko zna brojeve telefona nekog američkog BBS-a na 2400 bps? Banek
strani.sistemi.285 stigor,
Dragi drugari moji, evo nevolje: Imam jednu Geniusovu graficku tablu, gt1212b kupljenu pre windowsa 3.0 Kako znam da se takve table jos proizvode, pokusao sam da skinem taj drajver sa geniusovog BBS-a (u Tajvanu 886-2-995-0584 -> to je Taipei) Pa sam probao da se logujem ovako, preko phonea i suvise je losa veza. Zamolio sam jednog druga koji ima pristup na JUPAK da proba preko dialouta, samo on nema ni jedan Tajvanski dialout. Pa ako imate nekog iskustva sa tajvanskim bbsovima i lokalnim Dialoutima, ili mozda, kojim slucajem, imate taj drajver, Javite!!!! Šprijatelj me zamolio, da ostavim ovu poruku na sezam, pa ako neko nesto zna, unapred hvalaĆ
strani.sistemi.286 stigor, -> #285, stigor
>>Pa ako imate nekog iskustva sa tajvanskim bbsovima i lokalnim >>Dialoutima, >>ili mozda, kojim slucajem, imate taj drajver, Javite!!!! >>Šprijatelj me zamolio, da ostavim ovu poruku na sezam, pa ako neko >>nesto zna, unapred hvalaĆ Zar niko nema nijedan Dialout za Tajvan?
strani.sistemi.287 zormi, -> #286, stigor
* Zar niko nema nijedan Dialout za Tajvan? Na osnovu mojih razgovora sa tamošnjim trgovcima oni za takve stvari slabo mare ;) "X.25 equipment? Sorry, it's not popular here..."
strani.sistemi.288 nikola.p,
Pitanje sam vec video ali odgovor ne: KAKO DA PODESIM PARAMETRE ZA QSD ? Nekako i stignem do 'Set up your terminal' ali dalje ni makac. Unapred zahvalan Nikola
strani.sistemi.289 bestbp, -> #288, nikola.p
Jel' ti imas X.25 direktan ili ... ? Naime, ja sam imao slicnih problema sa EICON ║karticom i X25 prikljuckom, direktnim.
strani.sistemi.290 slom, -> #288, nikola.p
> KAKO DA PODESIM PARAMETRE ZA QSD ? > Nekako i stignem do 'Set up your terminal' ali dalje ni makac. Promeni parametre komunikacije. 7E1 -> 8N1 ili obrnuto sm
strani.sistemi.291 jmilosevic,
Da li neko održava vezu sa sa Telegodzilla, Omen Technology BBS? Treba mi file SCRIPTS.ZOO iz scripts subdirectory. Ili možda neko to već ima? Jova.
strani.sistemi.292 nikola.p, -> #288, nikola.p
Tako je . 8N1 pa proguras nekako kroz Jupak. Hvala :)
strani.sistemi.293 dejanr,
Evo malo istorije - kako je veliki sneg 16. januara 1978 godine inspirisao rađanje jednog od prvih BBS-ova u istoriji i kako je taj BBS radio... ========== hobby/tinker #3526, from wardc, 2704 chars, Thu Jan 20 00:27:07 1994 Comment to 3486. Comment(s). ---------- Heh, yep, 'twas the big snow of Jan 16, 1978 that brought CBBS into being - I called Randy Suess and said "Hey, I've got this extra box, and the phone line used to call in to the recorder for the computer club, I'm thinking of putting a system on it for the club so people could upload newsletter articles, etc. He said "Heck no, it should be in Chicago not the burbs, and we should forget the club - doing things by committee will never work - just you and me - I'LL do the hardware, you do the software, when will you be ready?" That was about it - dual diskette CP/M system, Hayes modem, etc. Randy came up with a neat circuit to reset the system and reboot on phone ring - I took the idea and did one from scratch for my "test system" - it was a couple 555 timers. When the phone rang, I held down the reset button for like .1 second, then inhibited THAT timer for the next 8 seconds or so - long enough to boot so it answered the phone and stopped ringing. If it failed to boot from the reset, the phone would reset it again and it would try again. Some of the fun programming hacks were things like keeping track of the last caller - I hacked a bunch but found an adequate distribution by randomizing the person's name just by adding up the chars in their name as 8-bit integers, and then dividing to give a remainder equal to the number of slots in the user file (512 or 1024). It was interesting that names of the same length tended to clump. What I did was "hash" your name to a file position, then scan the next 20 entries (I intentionally hashed enough short of the end of the file). As I scanned I noted the date of last call, and if I didn't find you in 20 names, I overlaid the one I found that was oldest. I had a special user flag for people I wanted to remember who didn't call that often - friends who had moved out of town, etc. Another value in that flag byte would signify an assistant operator - IF they had a password - they could kill any msg - thus multiple people could police the board in addition to me. Another invention was "high number validation" in which it was necessary to "approve" messages - they could be entered and viewed by the person entering, but no one could see them until I or an assistant operator approved them. This desperate step was required when twits tried to essentially shut the board down by being abusive. Best response to twits is to ignore them, NOT to feed on their problems by trying to reason with the ..... uh .. people. I took my test system down this Jan 1 - seemed no reason to run - couple calls a day, couple msgs a month, still running on S-100 single sided 600K diskettes - it would not break.. so I broke it...
strani.sistemi.294 dutchman, -> #259, picard
BBS, Italia: FIDO PN 39-434-32020 (Pordenone) Eurosystem 39-438-585111 Vittorio Veneto Ovo je sa neke liste stare par godina, ova dva provereno rade.
strani.sistemi.295 maverick,
Ima li neko OD za area 604 ? pozdrav
strani.sistemi.296 stigor,
Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Unapred hvala ...
strani.sistemi.297 domana, -> #296, stigor
~~~ Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve ~~~ telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Imas neku vezu u posti?, pa si resio da se malo izivljavas :) Ako je jupak u pitanju, koliko ja znam, outdial-ova ima samo u Ameriki :) Pyc
strani.sistemi.298 stigor, -> #297, domana
> ččč Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve > ččč telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... > Imas neku vezu u posti?, pa si resio da se malo izivljavas :) > Ako je jupak u pitanju, koliko ja znam, outdial-ova ima samo u > Ameriki :) Ma bilo sta (moze i Jupak i direkt), samo da je za Novi Zeland ...
strani.sistemi.299 pyramid, -> #296, stigor
> telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Nadam se da nećeš i tamo da grešiš, pa da nas brukaš !
strani.sistemi.300 stigor, -> #299, pyramid
>> telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... > Nadam se da nećeš i tamo da grešiš, pa da nas brukaš ! Greska se slucajno potkrala ... ;) Nego ja pitah za Novozelandske BBSove, a ne za "korekciju gresaka" ... ;)
strani.sistemi.301 mikis, -> #293, dejanr
+> hobby/tinker #3526, from wardc, 2704 chars, Thu Jan 20 00:27:07 1994 ^^^^^^ Tinkerbell, jel ovo neki rodjak? ;)))
strani.sistemi.302 slom, -> #296, stigor
> Ima li neko spisak Novo Zelandskih BBSova (sa sve > telefonskim brojevima) ...? Hitno poterbno ... Evo 3 komada pa probaj. +64-4-389-5478 actrix Wellington NZ 3/12/24/96 24 Zenith 386/33MHz w/ ISC 386/ix 2.02; Actrix Information Exchange -- New Zealand's first Public Access UNIX. 750 Mb disk; 3 lines, USR Courier HST (T2500 due December 1990, X25 in '91). Fee: NZ$54 p.a. - offers heavily modified XBBS with USEnet and Fidonet, e-mail (elm), hundreds of file areas divided into sections for UNIX, MS-DOS, Amiga, Atari, Apple //, Macintosh, CP/M etc. Shell w/ many extras available via `Enhanced subscription'. Planned to join APC (PeaceNet/EcoNet); Contact: paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) PO Box 11-410, Wgtn, NZ +64-4-564-2317 cavebbs Wellington NZ 12/24 24 AT&T 3B2/400 w/SysV 3.2; The Cave MegaBBS System. 144MB disk; 4 lines. Free access line 1, NZD$40 donation requested for others. KCBBS s/w featuring Usenet, Fidonet 3:771/130.0 and conferencing, email and links with other local systems. The Cave runs concurrently using KiwiBoard s/w on two lines +64-4-643-429 12/24/96 V32MNP5 on a 386/25 to provide local messaging and 290MB of PC/Amiga/GIF/sound files; Contact: clear@cavebbs.gen.nz (Charlie Lear), Box 2009 Wellington, NZ +64-9-817-3725 kcbbs Auckland NZ 12/24/96 24 SMC 486/25MHz w/ ESIX 5.3.2 Rec C; Kappa Crucis Unix BBS. Fee: NONE 1140 Mb disk; 7 lines, T2500, 3*v32MP4/5, 2*2400MNP3/5, Radio modem tnc/Packet VHF. KCBBS s/w, non-Unix user interface (no user Unix shell access) with USEnet, Fidonet, GTnet, online weatherfax/gifs, Email, 100's file areas, off-line readers, multi-user chat, Astronomy/Science Fidonet 3:771/90, login as kc. Contact: dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix) sm
strani.sistemi.303 umajstorovic,
Jel zna neko da li postoji nesto kao Sezamova komanda users na CompuServe-u? Naime, imam jednog ortaka koji ima ID na CompuServe-u, pa sam mislio da odem "na jedno mesto" ;) pozovem CompuServe modemom, i saznam njegov user ID. Posto se nadam da je CompuServe dostupan preko Interneta (da li se varam?), mogao bih da mu pisem ovim nasim lepim e-mailom. BTW, da li zna neko tel. brojeve "najblizeg" CompuServe-a?
strani.sistemi.304 dejanr, -> #303, umajstorovic
>> Jel zna neko da li postoji nesto kao Sezamova komanda users na >> CompuServe-u? Ja sam do skora mislio da ne postoji, međutim pre nekog vremena nađoh u nekom od menija tipa "Usluge" mogućnost pretraživanja po user-id-u, da se vidi kako se zove korisnik. Nešto ne primetih da ima i obratno, ali compuserve je tako veliki... Da, i kod tog pretraživanja nisam našao nekoliko korisnika koji pouzdano postoje. Moguće je da korisnik treba da preduzme nešto da bi mu se ime našlo u tom spisku, inače je "anoniman". Izgleda da mnogi nisu preduzeli to "nešto". >> Posto se nadam da je CompuServe dostupan preko Interneta (da li se >> varam?) Što se tiče pristupa, ne varaš se, ali nije ni da si sasvim u pravu. Baš ovde je pre nekog vremena opisano kako se preko Interneta stiže do CompuServe-a (posle je to preneseno i u Bajtove lične prirode), ali je pristup *papreno* skup, naplaćuje se onome ko tako zove sasvim pristojna sumica za svaki minut veze. Mnogo je bolje zvati preko JUPAK-a. Mail se, naravno, može razmenjivati sa Internetom ali na CompuServe-u se i taj mail posebno plaća, u okviru raznih aranžmana koje tamo imaš za pretplatu (recimo neka količina mail-a za fiksnu sumu, iznad toga po kilobajtu itd).
strani.sistemi.305 spale,
Da li postoji Hewlett Packard-ov BBS i ako postoji, koji je broj. Nikola
strani.sistemi.306 slom, -> #305, spale
>Da li postoji Hewlett Packard-ov BBS i ako postoji, koji je broj. Ima na Internet-u HP BBS za korisnike HP kalkulatora. Adresa je: hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.16) login: new Ne znam ima li i telefonske ulaze. sm