winnt.102tomil,
-> #100, sljubisic> U ovakvoj konstelaciji dogadjaja, NT je definitivno bolje resenje.
Možda sam malo staromodan, ali za mene je dobitna kombinacija
Novell server uz NT i DOS klijente. Ceo sistem za sada radi stabilno,
mada, čitajući po konferenciji o problemima u vezi NT-a, malo se
pribojavam da nešto ne pukne. Od NLM modula koristim samo antivirusni
kao nestandardan, ostatak je sve iz samog Novell-a. Da li nešto gubim,
ili dobijam time što ne koristim NT kao server? Zasad nisam naišao na
dovoljno jake argumente (stabilnost i brzina rada) da bih to i učinio.
winnt.103nenad,
-> #100, sljubisic> Zato i jeste
> malo sporiji (ali ne tako spektakularno kao sto pisu pro-Novell orijenti-
> sani casopisi) dok je neuporedivo sigurniji i pouzdaniji.
Da li je PC Magazine pro-Novell orijentisan časopis? Da li je
Datacom pro-Novell organizacija?
winnt.105sljubisic,
-> #102, tomil
> Mozda sam malo staromodan, ali za mene je dobitna kombinacija
>Novell server uz NT i DOS klijente. Ceo sistem za sada radi stabilno,
>mada, citajuci po konferenciji o problemima u vezi NT-a, malo se
>pribojavam da nesto ne pukne. Od NLM modula koristim samo antivirusni
Instalirao sam NT kao server na najmanje 30-tak mesta do sada, i ni
na jednom mi nije pukao - bilo da se radilo o 'goloj' 3.51, bilo da
je instaliran neki od 'service packova'.
Svega na 4-5 mesta se serveri gase preko vikenda, a na ostalim rade
non-stop 365 dana u godini, i zaista nikada nije bilo problema.
NT4.0 jos nije komercijalno dostupan, ali sam maksimalno zlorabio
onu novinarsku beta verziju servera, i za sada su iskustva samo poziti-
vna.
>kao nestandardan, ostatak je sve iz samog Novell-a. Da li nesto gubim,
>ili dobijam time sto ne koristim NT kao server? Zasad nisam naisao na
>dovoljno jake argumente (stabilnost i brzina rada) da bih to i ucinio.
Ma, mozda se mi ne razumemo od samog pocetka - ako se od servera trazi
da bude brz file i print server a ne eksperimentise se mnogo sa klijent
server aplikacijama - NetWare je nesumnjivo efikasniji od NT-a. Tacka.
Ali ako treba da bude i komunikacioni server, da podrzava TCP/IP u native
obliku i da se povezuje na Internet, ili da sluzi i kao aplikacioni serv-
er pride, mislim da je NT u dalekoj prednosti. Pogotovo ako su jos klijenti
(kao sto jesu u 95% slucajeva) Windows 3.1x ili Win95 masine, cime se
jednostavno izbegava svako razmisljanje na temu da li ce ovo ili ono
biti kompatibilno.
Jednostavno, nema univerzalnog resenja, kao sto nema ni univerzalnog
problema - svako ima neke svoje koje nastoji da resi na najoptimalniji
nacin.
winnt.106sljubisic,
-> #103, nenad
>Da li je PC Magazine pro-Novell orijentisan casopis? Da li je
>Datacom pro-Novell organizacija?
Za ovo drugo bih izbegavao da se zakunem, (ne mora da bude pro-Novell,
ali tako ispada ako je anti-MS :) a sto se PCMa i njegove politike tice,
njegovi autori se cesto smenjuju u ocenama trenutnog stanja u ovom
'svetom ratu' ;), vec u zavisnosti od toga kako trenutni (finansijski,
zasto i to ne reci) vetrovi duvaju.
U jednom broju favorizuju NT u odnosu na NetWare, onda u sledecem,
drugi autor tvrdi nesto sasvim drugacije... U svakom slucaju, dobra je
politika casopisa da dozvoljava i jednima i drugima da kazu svoje
misljenje, a jos ako pritom tu negde nadje i svoju ekonomsku racunicu ;)
Ono sto se meni ne svidja jeste jedna vrsta plj*vanja po svim MS proi-
zvodima, onako po refleksu ;). Jeste, MS je monopolista, i niko (pa ni
ja licno) ne gaji simpatije prema takvim firmama, pa prodavale one
softver ili sportsku obucu, ali pricati o manama NT-a a potezuci argume-
nte da su MS Windowsi 3.11 sr*nje, ili da MS Word radi isto sto i neki
tamo drugi program samo sto zahteva 30puta vise RAM memorije, i 500
puta vise prostora na disku, samo govore o tome da onaj ko tako nesto
pise ne poznaje NT, i da je vrlo nemerodavan da o njemu nesto pise.
Obaska sto je i ovde milion puta pominjano da NT-a nisu pisali MS progra-
meri, kad su vec toliko na losem glasu :)
Ja u svoju licnu odbranu :) mogu da kazed da mirne savesti mogu porediti
i NetWare i NT jer sam radio i radim i na jednom i na drugom, i znam mog-
ucnosti i ogranicenja i jednog i drugog barem kada se o onim svakodnevnim,
prakticnim stvarima i nama obicnim smrtnim korisnicima radi.
Sa Warp Serverom recimo nemam iskustava, i mozda je on daleko pouzdaniji,
fleksibilniji i brzi i od NT-a i NetWare-a, a mozda i nije, ali bas iz tog
razloga sto nemam prakticnih iskustava ne zelim da o tome pricam na osnovu
onog sto sam procitao u nekom od casopisa ili nasao u nekoj news grupi na
Internetu.
winnt.107dr.grba,
-> #102, tomil>> pribojavam da nešto ne pukne. Od NLM modula koristim samo antivirusni
>> kao nestandardan, ostatak je sve iz samog Novell-a. Da li nešto gubim,
>> ili dobijam time što ne koristim NT kao server?
Čuj: nije garancija to što su svi NLM moduli koje koristiš Novellovi.
Ja sam imao slučaj: osnovni CDROM.NLM za Netware 4.1 je DOKAZANO
neispravan. Spucavao mi je servera temeljito. Šta da ti pričam, sve
smo probali - promenili CD, promenili Adaptec kontroler, promenili
kablove, promenil disk, čak sam jednom i preinstalirao mrežu....
Dok najzad nismo pogledali na Webu i otkrili priznanje Novella da
treba uzeti onaj CDUP3.EXE i njime se pokrpiti. Čoveče, izgubio sam
dve trećine uračunljivosti dok sam to rešio. ):
winnt.108dr.grba,
-> #105, sljubisic>> Instalirao sam NT kao server na najmanje 30-tak mesta do sada, i ni
>> na jednom mi nije pukao - bilo da se radilo o 'goloj' 3.51, bilo da
>> je instaliran neki od 'service packova'.
Voleo bih da mi kažete par reči o jednom momentu instalacije NT ,za
koji mi se čini da ima o čemu da se priča: EIDE integrisani kontroler,
disk na PIO 4 i instalacija Win NT 3.51 Servera. Da li nekom zvoni ova
kombinacija? Navodno, ponavljam NAVODNO, neki vrag se tu ne uklapa...
winnt.109dr.grba,
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- MICROSOFT SNA SERVER BEATS NOVELL NETWARE FOR SAA
IN AS/400 ACCESS PERFORMANCE
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/aug96/novellpr.htm
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http://www.microsoft.com/showcase.
- LAN TIMES REVIEWS WINDOWS NT SERVER 4.0
http://www.lantimes.com/lantimes/96aug/608b007a.html.
INDUSTRY NEWS
- MICROSOFT AND PARKER SOFTWARE TO DEVELOP UNIX CLIENTS
FOR SNA SERVER
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/aug96/parkerpr.htm
- MICROSOFT AND AMDAHL ACHIEVE 10 MB/SECOND WINDOWS NT TO
HOST CONNECTION, DOUBLING PREVIOUS RECORD
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/aug96/2amdahpr.htm
- COMPUTER ASSOCIATES AND MICROSOFT WORK TOGETHER ON
WEB-BASED ENTERPRISE MANAGEMENT
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/Aug96/Camspr.htm
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BACKOFFICE
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NETWORLD+INTEROP 96 ATLANTA
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Microsoft will be there with all the latest Windows NT and
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MICROSOFT SNA SERVER BEATS NOVELL NETWARE FOR SAA IN AS/400
ACCESS PERFORMANCE
Microsoft announced the results of a performance study
comparing Microsoft SNA Server version 2.11 with the
Novell NetWare for SAA AS/400 Edition when connecting PC
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LAN TIMES REVIEWS WINDOWS NT SERVER 4.0
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MICROSOFT AND PARKER SOFTWARE TO DEVELOP UNIX CLIENTS
FOR SNA SERVER
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MICROSOFT AND AMDAHL ACHIEVE 10 MB/SECOND WINDOWS NT
TO HOST CONNECTION, DOUBLING PREVIOUS RECORD
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achieved the industry's fastest channel connection between
the Microsoft Windows NT Server and a host S/390 server.
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winnt.110orlic,
-> #16, mikis> Rade gotovo svi za 3.1x, i vecina za 95-icu. Na zalost,
> Microsoft je odustao od zahteva da program da bi dobio
> nalepnicu "za Win 95" mora da radi i pod NT-om. Tako npr. MS
> Internet Explorer 3 ne radi pod NT 3.5x.
:)) Bas kad sam poceo da se pitam zasto bi microsoft odustao od toga, dao si
veoma jak razlog :)))
winnt.111sljubisic,
-> #108, dr.grba
>Voleo bih da mi kazete par reci o jednom momentu instalacije NT ,za
>koji mi se cini da ima o cemu da se prica: EIDE integrisani kontroler,
>disk na PIO 4 i instalacija Win NT 3.51 Servera. Da li nekom zvoni ova
>kombinacija? Navodno, ponavljam NAVODNO, neki vrag se tu ne uklapa...
Hm, ja nisam imao problema. Evo, takva jedna konfiguracija upravo odgovara
onom sto imam a svojevremeno je tu bez problema instaliran NT3.51 server.
Cini mi se da je bilo problema jedino na pojedinim plocama i to kada bi se
jedan disk nalazio kao master na primarnom kontroleru, a drugi kao master
na sekundarnom, ali je to reseno jedim od 'service packova'.
Nego sta se desava kada taj disk spustis na PIO3 ? Moze da bude da se
definicije koliko koji PIO mod treba da bude brz ne poklapaju bas kod
te ploce i tog diska, pa da mu je PIO4 prebrz? Ako je to slucaj, i iako
bi takva kombinacija pod DOS-om radila (doduse uz po koji lost cluster sa
vremena na vreme :) NT odbija svaku dalju pricu.
winnt.112mikis,
-> #108, dr.grba+> Voleo bih da mi kažete par reči o jednom momentu instalacije NT ,za
+> koji mi se čini da ima o čemu da se priča: EIDE integrisani kontroler,
+> disk na PIO 4 i instalacija Win NT 3.51 Servera. Da li nekom zvoni ova
+> kombinacija? Navodno, ponavljam NAVODNO, neki vrag se tu ne uklapa...
I kod kuće, a i na poslu imam tu kombinaciju i nisam primetio nikakve
probleme.
winnt.113mikis,
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winnt.114cnenad,
-> #106, sljubisic=> tamo drugi program samo sto zahteva 30puta vise RAM memorije, i 500
=> puta vise prostora na disku, samo govore o tome da onaj ko tako nesto
=> pise ne poznaje NT, i da je vrlo nemerodavan da o njemu nesto pise.
Takvi argumenti govore da je autor neznalica i nesposobnjaković čim gubi
vreme pišući takve tekstove, umesto da 'nevernicima' otvori oči i
prikaže ONO ŠTO JE BOLJE.
winnt.115sljubisic,
-> #107, dr.grba
>Cuj: nije garancija to sto su svi NLM moduli koje koristis Novellovi.
>Ja sam imao slucaj: osnovni CDROM.NLM za Netware 4.1 je DOKAZANO
>neispravan. Spucavao mi je servera temeljito. Sta da ti pricam, sve
A i sam koncept koji NetWare ima po pitanju CD-ROM-a je po meni vise neo-
drziv. Ako imas CD-ROM, lepo, moci ces sa njega samo da instaliras NetWare,
a cim dignes server mozes da se oprostis od njega... osim ako nemas odgova-
rajuci .NLM. A da bi njega nabavio, moras da se preganjas sa prodavcem koji
ti je prodao NetWare, raspitujes okolo ili da malo surfujes po Internetu.
Ovo bi bio OK koncept da se radi o nekom stvarno egzoticnom parcetu hardve-
ra kojeg retko ko koristi, ali sa CD-ROM-om, koji je postao defacto standa-
rd i kojeg danas vec retko ko da nema - ovo je u najmanju ruku neozbiljno
od strane Novell-a.
winnt.116ta.hox,
Da li neko ima NT drivere za skener UMAX UC 840 MaxVision?. Hitno
su mi potrebni!
winnt.117dr.grba,
-> #112, mikis>> I kod kuće, a i na poslu imam tu kombinaciju i nisam primetio nikakve
>> probleme.
Oh, dovoljno je, hvala. Ovo znači da je u pitanju jedna glasina.
winnt.118dr.grba,
-> #115, sljubisic>> Ovo bi bio OK koncept da se radi o nekom stvarno egzoticnom parcetu
>> hardve- ra kojeg retko ko koristi, ali sa CD-ROM-om, koji je postao
>> defacto standa- rd i kojeg danas vec retko ko da nema - ovo je u najmanju
>> ruku neozbiljno od strane Novell-a.
Slažem se sa ovim: vreme kad se pojavio Novell Netware 4.1, a to je
kraj 1994. godine, je bilo vreme kada su CD ROM uređaji doživeli
veliku ekspanziju - najzad, glavni medijum instalacije u to vreme je
i kod Novella postao CD ROM. A toliko neurastenično ponašanje servera
nisam video nikad: da sam ikada ranije čuo da se ovako nešto događa,
ne bih više pomislio na taj softver za mrežu.
Sad, post festum, mogu da pričam šta me volja na tu temu, čak i da se
lakonski nasmejem na sve, jer sam se izvukao iz dubioze. Zamislite
kako su me gledali u firmi posle plaćenog debelog računa za hardver i
softver mreže, a gos'n server se srušio desetak puta za pola godine...
winnt.119spantic,
-> #108, dr.grba> Voleo bih da mi kažete par reči o jednom momentu instalacije NT ,za
> koji mi se čini da ima o čemu da se priča: EIDE integrisani kontroler,
> disk na PIO 4 i instalacija Win NT 3.51 Servera. Da li nekom zvoni ova
> kombinacija? Navodno, ponavljam NAVODNO, neki vrag se tu ne uklapa...
Zbog čega se ne uklapa. Kod mene u firmi NT server radi na jednoj
takvoj mašini, a na drugoj radi WS.
winnt.120mikis,
-> #116, ta.hox+> Da li neko ima NT drivere za skener UMAX UC 840 MaxVision?. Hitno
+> su mi potrebni!
Nedavno sam skinuo NT drajvere koji bi trebali da rade sa svim Umax
skenerima, nadam se da rade i sa tvojim. Arhiva je oko 2.5MB, nadam se da ćeš
moći sa da sačekaš dok nađem vremena da ih pošaljem .
winnt.121dr.grba,
-> #119, spantic>>> disk na PIO 4 i instalacija Win NT 3.51 Servera. Da li nekom zvoni ova
>>> kombinacija? Navodno, ponavljam NAVODNO, neki vrag se tu ne uklapa...
>>
>> Zbog čega se ne uklapa. Kod mene u firmi NT server radi na jednoj
>> takvoj mašini, a na drugoj radi WS.
Ma, nije bitno... Radi i kod mene isto to i isto tako. Doživeo sam
tvrdnju od jednog tipa po kojoj se ovakve kombinacije završavaju
krahovima sistema itd... Sve mi je radilo i nikakvih krahova nije
bilo, a potvrda vas nekoliko koji ste stekli u tome više iskustva
dosad nego ja mi je dovoljna da se razuverim u opravdanost one
tvrdnje.
winnt.122dr.grba,
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- DOWNLOAD A BETA COPY OF MICROSOFT DISTRIBUTED FILE
SYSTEM FOR WINDOWS NT SERVER!
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/dfs/dfspr.htm
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DEPLOYMENT CONFERENCE
http://www.microsoft.com/Showcase/
- WEB-TO-HOST INTEGRATION
http://www.microsoft.com/sna/webtohst.htm
INDUSTRY NEWS
- SEAGATE SOFTWARE ADDS WEB REPORTING TO SYSTEMS
MANAGEMENT SERVER
3. HOW TO USE THE MAILING LIST
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is happening September 11-13 in Austin, Texas. The conference
will prove to be an action packed 3 days, including over 55
Technical breakout sessions; the Exchange 3rd party Product
Expo; MCP Exams at 50% off, and more. Visit the Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/Showcase/
WEB-TO-HOST INTEGRATION
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mainframe and AS/400 host platforms. This White Paper
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2. INDUSTRY NEWS
SEAGATE SOFTWARE ADDS WEB REPORTING TO SYSTEMS
MANAGEMENT SERVER
Seagate Software announced that Microsoft will include the
Crystal Web Publishing Interface as well as an updated
version of award-winning Crystal Reports report writer in
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winnt.123spantic,
BYTE / chipcon / Update to Cyrix/NT Performance Issue
Subject: Update to Cyrix/NT Performance Issue
From: Dave Andrews <dave.news@bix.com>
Date: 11 Sep 1996 08:45:44 -0400
Organization: BYTE
Cyrix has apparently fixed a bug in its flagship 6x86 processor that
results in sluggish performance of Windows NT 4.0, but not before
chips
ffected by the bug reached the commercial market. A bug in the 6x86
processor, uncovered by Microsoft during its pre-release tests of
NT 4.0, caused the new operating system to crash. To guarantee NT 4's
stability, Microsoft added code that disables write-caching in the
6x86's on-board cache. Tests performed at Byte Labs on a Cyrix PC
with the
150 MHz 6x86-P200+ processor revealed that applications running
under NT 4 on a Cyrix chip containing the bug suffered an overall
performance degradation of about 30 percent, compared to later
revisions of the 6x86 processor.
Cyrix says it hasn't identified the specific problem in its 6x86
processor that caused the instability during Microsoft's testing.
``We're
trying to figure out what exactly is going on," said a Cyrix
spokesman.
Byte has confirmed that a new version of the 6x86 (designated as
revision
2.7 by Cyrix) doesn't exhibit the slowdown, indicating that NT
can distinguish between buggy and fixed versions of the chip. If NT 4
detects one of these newer, revised chips, it runs at standard speed
with the chip's internal cache fully enabled.
Cyrix was unable to specify what changes were made in the chip or
the
manufacturing process between revisions 2.6 and 2.7 that may
have fixed the problem. Company officials said it is Cyrix's corporate
policy not to discuss the specifics of the company's chip revisions.
When asked about the 6x86/NT problem, Microsoft stressed that NT
4.0 is
stable on all certified platforms, including all versions of the
6x86. Once Microsoft discovered that a 6x86 couldn't complete the
company's
so-called stress tests, it alerted Cyrix, and both companies
developed a work-around for the problem.
In the work-around, a series of instructions was added to NT 4 to
identify problematic 6x86s. When a chip with the bug is found, NT
changes the chip's internal cache operating mode from write-back to
write-through. As a result, all memory writes, even those cached
inside the chip, force an access to system memory. This change
allowed the
6x86 to complete Microsoft's testing, but at the cost of reduced
system performance. Cyrix says it is investigating whether a software
patch
to NT 4 can be developed to correct the problem.
Measured by the SysMark/32 benchmark suite of eight real-world
Windows
applications, a 6x86 with its write-caching disabled turns in
poorer NT performance than a 133 MHz Pentium. But one vendor who sells
Cyrix-based systems didn't seem worried by the performance
problem.
Art Afshar, president of Micro Express (Irvine, CA), said that most
of
his customers buy a 6x86-based PC to run Win 95, and choose the
Pentium Pro to run NT. However, about 25 percent of people who
e-mailed
editors commenting on BYTE's initial article on this topic (see
http://www.byte.com/bonus/cyrixbug.htm) said they had either bought
or were
considering a 6x86 expressly for running NT. Afshar said
that Micro Express will replace the chip for customers who have slow
NT
performance on a 6x86.
Cyrix recently began direct-marketing its own brand of PCs built
around
the 6x86 chip. When asked if Cyrix would provide a chip that runs
at full speed under NT 4 to customers who request one, Steve Tobak,
vice
president of marketing at Cyrix, said that a software fix would be
offered if one is available. Or, he added, at the users' option,
Cyrix will
replace the chip.
-- Robert L. Hummel (rhummel@monad.net)
winnt.125sljubisic,
-> #124, szdravko
>Jedini problem sa NT 3.51 je sto pri instalaciji nece da napravi
>Emergency Repair disk. Kaze da ne moze da formatira disketu (koja je
>inace bez bad sector-a, DOS formatirana i nije write-protected).
Da li je 3.5" (1.44MB) disk drive u BIOS-u prijavljen kao 'a:' ?
Sta kaze kada mu u DOS promptu das 'start rdisk'?
>Sa jednom starijom instalacijom mi se desilo da na toj drugoj masini
>nije instalirao drivere za misa, koji inace radi sasvim normalno u
>DOS-u i 3.11. O cemu se radi?
Da li je mis setovan (prekidac na njemu samom i sl.) na MS (2 tast.)
ili PC (3 tast.) mod?
winnt.127calex,
-> #125, sljubisic<!> Da li je 3.5" (1.44MB) disk drive u BIOS-u prijavljen kao 'a:' ?
Čini mi se da sam nešto tako viđao. Da nije disketa formatirana
na neki nestandardni format? Mislim da NT podržava samo DMF.
winnt.128szdravko,
Hi! Imam par pitanja.
Imam problem sa NT 3.51: pri instalaciji nece da napravi Emergency
Repair disk. Kaze da ne moze da formatira disketu (koja je inace bez
bad
sector-a, DOS formatirana i nije write-protected). Isto mi se desilo
vise
puta. Ista instalacija na drugoj masini radi OK. Sa jednom starijom
instalacijom mi se desilo da na toj drugoj masini nije instalirao
drivere
za misa, koji inace radi sasvim normalno u DOS-u i 3.11. O cemu se
radi?
Hvala unapred!
winnt.129mikis,
-> #123, spantic+> Cyrix has apparently fixed a bug in its flagship 6x86 processor that
+> results in sluggish performance of Windows NT 4.0, but not before
+> chips
+> ffected by the bug reached the commercial market. A bug in the 6x86
I dalje mi nije jasno kako su uspeli da naprave (hardverski) bag koji
se manifestuje _samo_ pod NT-om 4.0?! Inače, pre neki dan sam instalirao
četvorku, i imao sam nekoliko vrlo neprijatnih zbingova u kombinaciji sa
Cyrix-om 166+ (plavi ekran, STOP message "Page fault in non paged area"). Sad
sam vratio Pentiuma, baš me za
nima da li je to bilo do Cyrixa, NT-a ili nečeg trećeg.
Uzgred, ako neko ima NT 4.0 drajvere za Trident 9440 PCI, ne bilo mu
zapoveđeno da ih pošalje ;)
winnt.130spantic,
-> #129, mikis> I dalje mi nije jasno kako su uspeli da naprave (hardverski) bag koji
> se manifestuje _samo_ pod NT-om 4.0?! Inače, pre neki dan sam instalirao
Nemam ideje, ali i sam Cyrix je priznao postojanje baga, odnosno
nepotpune kompatibilnosti sa Pentiumom. Ovoga puta je Microsoft čist
(za promenu).
winnt.131spantic,
Mislim da niko nije spomenuo, ali kod Windows 4.0 WS je dial-up
znatno unapređen: ni traga od glupog biranja kod Windows 95. Imate
inteligentno biranje, više brojeva u listi, pozadinsko biranje...
Očekujemo novi servis paket za Windows 95 ;)
winnt.132olix,
-> #41, dr.grba> Da li bi neko bio ljubazan da najzad objasni kako se to radi? (:
Dignes sistem sa boot diskete na kojoj naravno imas SYS i FDISK. Onda
dok si na A:\ otkucas SYS c:, pa FDISK /MBR i gotoojoo!
winnt.133dr.grba,
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
1. MICROSOFT NEWS
- MICROSOFT AT NETWORLD+INTEROP
http://www.microsoft.com/backoffice/n+i
- MICROSOFT SERVER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE
http://www.microsoft.com/pdc
- WINDOWS NT SERVER WEB SITE TAKES ON A NEW LOOK
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/
- MICROSOFT SQL SERVER SHATTERS THE $100/TPMC PRICE/PERFORMANCE
BARRIER!
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/performance/compaq_tpc1.htm
- SQL SERVER DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE A HUGE HIT!
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/devcon/default.htm
- SALES OF MICROSOFT NT SERVER 4.0 SKYROCKET
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/sept96/40mompr.htm
- MICROSOFT RELEASES BETA VERSION OF DCOM
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/sept96/dcompr.htm
- INTRODUCING MICROSOFT SNA SERVER 3.0
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/jun96/sna30pr.htm
- SNA SERVER WINS
http://www.internetworkweb.com/
- MICROSOFT ANNOUNCES DATA WAREHOUSING STRATEGY
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/datawarehouse/dw.htm
INDUSTRY NEWS
- MICROSOFT AND INTEL ANNOUNCE WINDOWS NT OPERATING SYSTEM
DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO SUPPORT INTEL'S IA-64 ARCHITECTURE
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/sept96/INTELPR.htm
3. HOW TO USE THE MAILING LIST
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1. MICROSOFT NEWS
MICROSOFT AT NETWORLD+INTEROP
More than 50,000 network professionals, educators and
industry insiders gathered in Atlanta, Sept. 16-20, to
check out the latest in networking technology and get
answers to their most pressing technical questions.
If you couldn't make it to Atlanta, visit Microsoft's
Networld+Interop home page to find all about it.
http://www.microsoft.com/backoffice/n+i/
Microsoft Server Professional Developers Conference
November 4-7, 1996
During the Professional Developers Conference (PDC)
we'll show you how to create new applications or
enhance existing ones based on these operating system
services--for example how to develop new web-based
applications or migrate existing applications to the
Web. We'll also show you how to extend the operating
system services or write new ones that other
application developers can use.
If you are a professional developer, knowledgeable
in C/C++ and need intimate knowledge of the next
generation of distributed services for Windows,
this is one conference you don't want to miss. In
addition to presentations covering the design approach,
detailed interfaces, and underlying algorithms, there'll
be plenty of time to get your questions answered and to
get to know the Windows NT development team.
http://www.microsoft.com/pdc
WINDOWS NT SERVER WEB SITE TAKES ON A NEW LOOK
The Windows NT Server has launched a brand new Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/. This site has a great
new user interface that takes advantage of IE 3.0 Active
Controls to provide unrivaled ease of navigation. From
any page on this new site, you have direct access to every
other page via new drop-down navigational menus. The site
also sports an abundance of new content.
Check out this new site!
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/
MICROSOFT SQL SERVER SHATTERS THE $100/TPMC PRICE/PERFORMANCE
BARRIER!
With fully audited results of 6750.53 tpmC and $89.61/tpmC
(transactions per minute), Microsoft SQL Server is the
first database to set a TPC-C (Transaction Processing
Council Benchmark C) price/performance record below
$100/tpmC. This is also the highest performance ever
achieved on Intel-based servers. These record-setting
results were achieved by Microsoft SQL Server 6.5 and
Compaq's 4-processor, Pentium Pro-based ProLiant 5000
6/200 server. Microsoft SQL Server now holds seven of
the top 10 price/performance results.
These TPC-C results are also another industry first for an
SMP (Symmetric MultiProcessing) system using a web-based
front-end. Microsoft is the only database vendor to publish
results with this innovative Internet-based approach.
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/performance/compaq_tpc1.htm
SQL SERVER DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE A HUGE HIT!
On September 4th and 5th, Microsoft held its first annual SQL
Server Developers conference in Seattle, Washington. Over
800 attendees learned about client-server development, data
warehousing, tuning for performance, and Internet/Intranet
solutions from the SQL Server development team. Check out
some of the presentations that were given.
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/devcon/default.htm
SALES OF MICROSOFT NT SERVER 4.0 SKYROCKET
Customers are deploying in large numbers, citing strong
scalability, low cost of ownership, and Internet/intranet
functionality. Sales of the Windows NT Server network
operating system version 4.0 have reached more than
150,000 units in the first 30 days since its release,
reaffirming its postion as the world's best selling
server operating system.
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/sept96/40mompr.htm
MICROSOFT RELEASES BETA VERSION OF DCOM
Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM), a key capability
of ActiveX technologies for building powerful Internet and
intranet applications, which is currently included in
Windows Server 4.0, is now available the beta version of
for the Windows 95 operating system.
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/sept96/dcompr.htm
INTRODUCING MICROSOFT SNA SERVER 3.0
Microsoft SNA Server 3.0 will add several unique features
which link IBM mainframes and AS/400s more closely with
desktop PCs, Windows NT Server-based systems and PC
LANs/WANs/intranets. Find out what's new and answers to
your most commonly asked questions.
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1996/jun96/sna30pr.htm
SNA SERVER WINS
SNA Server won the 1996 Internetwork Standards Achievement
Award (Editor's Choice) for the 2nd year in a row in the
category of Best SNA Gateway. The award recognizes excellence
in technology development in the internetworking industry.
http://www.internetworkweb.com/
MICROSOFT ANNOUNCES DATA WAREHOUSE STRATEGY
Microsoft announced a comprehensive strategy aimed at
simplifying the implementation of data warehousing solutions
using Microsoft SQL Server. The strategy includes the Active
Data Warehousing Framework, an extensible set of OLE-based
interfaces; the Microsoft Alliance for Data Warehousing, a
coalition of industry partners; significant product
enhancements; and consulting services.
The Active Data Warehousing Framework includes a meta-data
model, data acquisition and transformation services, data
distribution and replication, and administration, making it
easier for third-party vendors to integrate their products
with Microsoft SQL Server in a complete data warehousing
solution. Alliance members include: Business Objects,
Execusoft, Informatica, NCR, Pilot Software, Platinum
Technologies, Praxis, and SAP AG. For more information,
go to:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/datawarehouse/dw.htm
2. INDUSTRY NEWS
MICROSOFT AND INTEL ANNOUNCE WINDOWS NT OPERATING SYSTEM
DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO SUPPORT INTEL'S IA-64 ARCHITECTURE
The combination of Windows NT and Intel's IA=AD64 processor
family will provide seamless support for existing Pentium Pro
processor (IA-32) applications and new applications optimized
for IA=AD64 processors
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winnt.134szdravko,
Da li mozete da mi preporucite dobru komandnu liniju za NT 3.51?
Probao sam razne sharam-baram varijante, ali to bas nije ozbiljno.
Najozbiljnije mi deluje nesto kao Take Command za 3.11. Koliko je
dobra 32-bitna verzija. Da li je neko video komercijanu verziju? Da
li postoji mogucnost da komandna linija bude shell, a da se ipak pri
instalaciji programa u Program Manager-u formiraju ikone (iako on tog
trenutka nije shell)? Da li postoji ozbiljan program za visestruke
konfiguracije?
winnt.135obren,
Evo jednog viđenja nove verzije WinNT v4.0 od strane programera... Koga
zanima u temi OS2 ima takođe njegov prikaz OS/2 v4.0 i uporedni prikaz
ova dva OS-a.
nt40_rev.txtwinnt.136sav.gacic,
Pročitah u Računarima prikaz o WinNT i ostade mi dilema: prelaziti na isti ili
ne? Zanima me: kako su rešeni fontovi i manipulacija sa njima? Konkretno, kako
baratati sa maperima koji su mi potrebni za _pripitomljavanje_ tastature za
ruski jezik (važeći ruski standard GOST mi nikako ne odgovara). Ako postoje,
rade li sa MSOffice za WinNT? Šta je sa Unicode fontoviama - je'l to _zaživelo
u praksi_, ima li ikakav izbor takvih fontova i kako se njma manipuliše
(kreiranje tastatura i sl.)?
Sve informacije na tu temu su veoma dobrodošle.
winnt.137space.ace,
-> #136, sav.gacic>> ne? Zanima me: kako su rešeni fontovi i manipulacija sa njima? Konkretno,
Meni je sve rešila Croatian postavka, CP je 1250, mogu se komotno koristiti
svi BT fontovi uz Corel, tj. svi BT TTF. Fontovi rade sa Word 6.0 f/NT, onda
sa Corel-om, pa i sa Office-om 7. Znači, "što bi vi mladi rekli, nema frke"
(c) "Mi nismo andjeli".
winnt.138calex,
-> #137, space.ace<!> svi BT fontovi uz Corel, tj. svi BT TTF. Fontovi rade sa Word 6.0 f/NT,
Čini mi se da je bilo problema (NT 3.51) kod Corel fontova oko
slova Đ. Da li ovo znači da je to rešeno u novom NT-u?
winnt.139mikis,
-> #136, sav.gacic+> Pročitah u Računarima prikaz o WinNT i ostade mi dilema: prelaziti na isti
+> ili ne? Zanima me: kako su rešeni fontovi i manipulacija sa njima?
Mnogo bolje nego u svim dosadašnjim verzijama Windowsa, ali ipak ne
idealno. Najzad je podrška za našu zemlju urađena (gotovo) kako treba: u
"Regional Settings" možete izabrati Serbian (latinica ili ćirilica), i format
datuma, vremena, oznaka valute... biće u skladu sa našim standardima - i to
bez ikakvog budženja po Registry bazi!
Na žalost, problem opet postoji kod izbora tastature. U "Računarima"
spanta kaže da je posao doveden do kraja, a dejanr u "PC"-ju da je i latinična
tastatura sređena, li ima "čudno ime": Serbian (Latin) - Croatian. Na žalost,
ni jedan ni drugi nisu u potpunosti u pravu.
Naime, ako u "Keyboard Properties" instalirano srpsku latinično tastaturu,
zaista ćemo dobiti "Serbian (Latin) - Croatian". Međutim, ako je selektujemo i
odemo na njene osobine (Input Locale Properties) videćemo da postoji i Serbian
Latin tastatura - koja (ponovo) ne radi - odn. ponaša se isto kao i US
tastatura :(( Dakle, posao nije doveden do kraja, ali na sreću sasvim lepo
radi i gorepomenuta kombinacija "Serbian (Latin) - Croatian" (oni malo više
nacionalno orjentisani mogu umesto Croatian da stave Slovenian, potpuno isto
radi ;)
Uzgred, prvi deo gornje oznake ("Serbian (Latin)") je tzv. "Input Locale"
i predstavljen je oznakom na taskbaru, a drugi deo (Croatian, odn. Slovenian)
je "Layout", tj. sam raspored tastature. Ovo je značajno utoliko što možete
praviti sve moguće kombinacije - npr. US tastaturi dodelite Rumunski raspored
- mada ne znam zašto bi ste to radili ;)
Daklem, kad prođete ovu zavrzlamu, dobićete naša slova u Windowsima po
CP1250 i u DOS-u po CP852. Savetujem da u Regional Settings stavite da je
Serbian default za ceo sistem, jer inače ima problema sa prikazivanjem naših
slova u sistemskim (bitmap) fontovima. Raspored slova je inače po "groznom"
(by dejanr ;) JUS standardu, koji je po meni utoliko grozan što ne mogu da se
naviknem na zamenjena mesta tastera Z i Y. Tvrdnju da "nije prilagođen kod nas
rasprostranjenim američkom tastaturama" ne bih da komentarišem ;)
+> Konkretno, kako baratati sa maperima koji su mi potrebni za
+> _pripitomljavanje_ tastature za ruski jezik (važeći ruski standard GOST mi
+> nikako ne odgovara).
Što se tiče mapera za NT (3.51), znam samo za Accent 4.0 (eno ga u diru).
S obzirom da radi i pod Win 95, sasvim je moguće da radi i u NT 4.0. Postojeće
domaće mapere za 95-icu (Mapper, Jankov Maper) nisam probao, a nije nemoguće
da bi radili obzirom da je rad sa tastaturom gotovo isti kao i u 95-ici.
+> Ako postoje, rade li sa MSOffice za WinNT?
MS Office 95 radi k'o zmaj (radio je i na NT 3.51). Radi i Lotus Suite 96
(izuzev SmartCenter-a).
+> Šta je sa
+> Unicode fontoviama - je'l to _zaživelo u praksi_, ima li ikakav izbor
+> takvih fontova i kako se njma manipuliše (kreiranje tastatura i sl.)?
Bojim se da ni tu stvari nisu dovedene do kraja. Naime, sistemski fontovi
isporučeni uz NT rade gotovo kako treba. Naime, iako neki fontovi imaju gotovo
ceo Unicode set znakova (ili bar onaj deo koji nas zanima), a što se može
videti iz Character Map-a, većina aplikacija (uključujući i WinWord i Word
Pro) ih ne konstatuje! Npr, fontovi Impact i Arial Black koji (čini mi se) idu
uz MS Office 95, ili fontovi koji se dobijaju uz CorelDraw! 6.0 u Win95
direktorijumu rade lepo u WordPadu - postoje Western, Central European,
Cyrilic... varijante istih (na žalost ni tu nije sve savršeno - iritira što se
ne mogu odstraniti neoptrebni skriptovi, npr. Baltic, Turkish i Green).
Međutim, u Wordu 7.0 postoje samo CE (tj. Cyr) varijante standardnih fontova
(Times, Arial...), ali ne i gore pomenutih! Moguće da ja negde grešim, pa bih
molio da me prosvetlite :) Rekao bih da je problem u tome što Word (kao ni
Word Pro) još uvek ne prodržava koncept skriptova...
winnt.140cnenad,
-> #139, mikis=> domaće mapere za 95-icu (Mapper, Jankov Maper) nisam probao, a nije
Jankov Maper u samoj svojoj srži i suštini nije maper kao Mapper djelovic-a
ili Easy Key. Imam utisak da je autor izabrao pogrešan i za početnike
zbunjujući naziv.
winnt.141spantic,
-> #139, mikis> bez ikakvog budženja po Registry bazi!
> Na žalost, problem opet postoji kod izbora tastature. U "Računarima"
> spanta kaže da je posao doveden do kraja, a dejanr u "PC"-ju da je i
> latinična tastatura sređena, li ima "čudno ime": Serbian (Latin) -
> Croatian. Na žalost, ni jedan ni drugi nisu u potpunosti u pravu.
Panta, baš nije do kraja napisao rešenje problema, mea culpa, priznajem :)
Kod mene stoji Serbian Latin - Slovenian.
Inače zaista čudno što nema nikakve razlike između US i Serbian Latin
mapiranja.
winnt.142nesh,
-> #139, mikis... Što se tiče mapera za NT (3.51), znam samo za Accent 4.0 (eno ga u
... diru). S obzirom da radi i pod Win 95, sasvim je moguće da radi i u NT
... 4.0. Postojeće domaće mapere za 95-icu (Mapper, Jankov Maper) nisam
... probao, a nije nemoguće da bi radili obzirom da je rad sa tastaturom
Accent radi savršeno. Jedino treba da se isključi Serbian
tastatura.
winnt.143szdravko,
Vec duze vremena trazim platformu pogodnu za razvoj numerickog
softvera.
Ova platforma treba da ispuni sledece zahteve:
a) da bude 32-bitna. Programi koji se razvijaju koriste dosta
memorije, a
meni je dosta memorijskih modela, koji su krpez. Zaista nemam nameru
da se
razvijam u krpljenju, nego u svojoj struci.
b) da bude skromna u hardverskim zahtevima. Jedna od dve masine koje
imam se stalno dogradjuje, ali druga bas i ne. Pored toga na fakultetu
imam 4 masine, koje odrzavam, a u koje se ne ulaze. Posto su potrebne
studentima i mojim saradnicima, nisu za bacanje, kakve god da su.
c) po mogucstvu da se interfejs bazira na komandnoj liniji.
d) da je cena prihvatljiva. Ja imam dosta razloga da posedujem legalan
softver.
e) da radi na PC-u, a ne na SG-u, NEXT-u i sl.
f) da se lako odrzava. Ja pod lakim odrzavanjem podrazumevam sledece:
sistem se instalira cas posla, ima mali broj sistemskih datoteka, a
vlasnik na disketi ima svoje kastomizovane sistemske datoteke koje
presnimi preko default fajlova (razne INI-je, profile-ove, .rc-ove i
sl.).
Ono sto bi meni najvise odgovaralo bio bi 32-bitni dos! Jednostavan po
koncepciji, samo bez 640 K ogranicenja. Cak mi ni multitasking nije
nesto bitan.
Dosad sam probao razlicite stvari, i evo mojih utisaka:
- DOS: nezahtevan, lak za instalaciju, vrlo rasprostranjen (lako je
razmenjivati rezultate rada sa drugima). Kao 16-bitna platforma
nepogodan po pitanju upravljanja memorijskim resursima. Zahvaljujuci
malom broju sistemskih file-ova lako se odrzava. Odlican izbor
kompajlera!
- EXTENDED DOS: najblize onom sto trazim, osim sto je opet potrebno
podesavati stvari tipa DOS4GW i malo se gnjaviti. Uz WATCOM dosta
prihvatljivo.
- WINDOWS 3.11: kao 16-bitna platforma takodje nije krajnje resenje.
Koriscenje stvari tipa WIN32S smatram krljenjem. Dobar izbor
kompajlera.
Nazalost, nedoradjenost same platforme cini debagovanje teskim. Covek
nikad ne zna sta je interni problem WINDOWS-a, a sta njegova greska!
- WINDOWS 95: krpez de-luxe. Bezobrazan operativni sistem koji pri
instalaciji pobrise MBR i sve sto mu se ne svidja i nista ne pita.
Veliki broj fajlova neophodnih za normalan rad cini sistem teskim za
odrzavanje, cak iako imate RESOURCE KIT i slicne stvari.
- OS/2 3.0: nije mi najjasniji smisao njegovog postojanja. Meni na
masini radi sporije od NT-a 3.51, znaci resurse trosi solidno. Koristi
ga relativno mali krug ljudi. DOS aplikacije danas emuliraju svi, a
WINDOWS 3.11 ionako svi zamenjuju 32-bitnim aplikacijama. Nije ni
izuzetno stabilan. Recimo, ja sam u CONFIG.SYS stavio PROTSHELL =
CMD.EXE (legalan potez). Onda sam startovao MOLE II (PM aplikacija).
Na
kraju sam imao COLD BOOT. Stabilnost?
- LINUX: cenim ga iako mi je razbio EXTENDED DOS particiju koja nije
bila dobro bekapovana. Jos se od toga opravljam (sam sam kriv). GNU
C++
je pristojan, ali bez IDE-a i sa onakvim debagerom, to bas nije
okruzenje za razvoj softvera. Smisao njegovog postojanja je po meni da
se koristi sam, a ne zajedno sa drugim operativnim sistemima i to za
mrezu. Za korisnika kome je potreban WORKSTATION OS ima i puno boljih
resenja. Vecina ljudi nikad nije ni cula za njega.
- SCO UNIX: ima mitolosku reputaciju stabilnosti. Medjutim, ima niz
specificnosti. Pri instalaciji zahteva SCSI disk. Trosi resurse, i
zahteva izuzetno kvalitetan hardver (nije za vecinu nasih masina).
Verzija koja se vrti gradom (3.2.4) ne podrzava LBA mod. Cena je
ogromna: oko 1800$ za bazicni paket, pri cemu je development C. Za C++
treba doplatiti jos oko 1000-2000 DEM, a baziran je na Microsoft 6.0
kompajleru (davno prevazidjenom). Ima i savrseniji development sistem,
po suludoj ceni.
- NT 3.51: nezasit kada su resursi u pitanju. Pomalo cudan: meni se,
recimo, na jednoj masini svadja sa 3.5" floppy drive-om, na drugoj sa
misem. Cujem da su se na ETF-u razne stvari desavale i sa IBM pentium
masinom - mozda nije 100% IBM kompatibilna, ;). Odlican izbor
kompajlera, niska cena (u CET-u je EDU cena 530 dinara, sto je za bilo
kakav ozbiljniji rad prakticno besplatno). Opet veliki broj sistemskih
file-ova. U ovom trenutku potrebno mi je tacno 112 MB RAM-a da
mu prilagodim sve masine, ne racunajuci ploce, diskove, video karte i
dr., ;).
Pitanje je: sta sad? Hvala unapred!
winnt.144passinger,
Evo jos jedne sitnice kod instalacije NT ws 4.0 :
ako u misini imate 2x CD Sony 33A na sopstvenom kontroleru
NT ce "detektovati" IDE/ATAPI CD i tek posle instalacije, tj
prilikom dizanja masine ce sve lepo blokirati. Normalno,
treba rucno odabrati "Sony propietary controler" i sve je OK.
E, sad ja ovde imam problem: taj SLCD32 drajver koristi int5
i nikako da instaliram drajver za SB16 Creative PnP.
NA v3.51 sam SB stavio na int10 i sve je proslo, ali ovde ni
da cuje. Da li je moguce rucno promeniti int za SLCD32 ?
winnt.145orlic,
Da li se NT 4.0 moze skinuti sa masine 'regularno'?
Znam za tezi nacin tj. ubijanje NTFS particije Partiticion Magic-om i onda
jedan sys c: ili jos tezi npr. prepisivanje boot-a nulama :)) Zanima me
da li je to negde sadrzano u OS-u.
winnt.146calex,
-> #145, orlic║ Da li se NT 4.0 moze skinuti sa masine 'regularno'?
║ Znam za tezi nacin tj. ubijanje NTFS particije Partiticion Magic-om i
Ë──────────────
Zašto je Partition Magic teži način? ;)
Evo šta NT kaže o tome:
To reformat an existing NTFS partition containing WindowsNT
1 Back up the information on the partition.
2 Start the WindowsNT Setup program.
3 When WindowsNT Setup asks you to select the partition on which you
would like to install, select the NTFS partition and press D to
delete the partition.
4 Either continue using the Setup program to recreate and format the
partition, or quit the Setup program and use the MS-DOS fdisk and
format commands to complete the process.
Notes
Before changing the file system on an existing partition, you should
back up the information on the partition because reformatting the
partition will also destroy all existing data.
If the WindowsNT system files are not installed on the partition,
you can use Format on the Tools menu to reformat that partition to
another file system.
If WindowsNT system files are installed on the partition, you cannot
delete it from within Disk Administrator nor reformat the partition
using Format. Instead, you must use the Setup program from your
installation media.
winnt.147markiz,
Da li neko poseduje drajvere za HP 5l za Windows NT 3.51???
potrebni hitno!
winnt.148dr.grba,
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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- HELP US IMPROVE SQL SERVER TRAINING!
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- COMPAQ TPC-C RESULTS
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/performance/compaq_TPC2.htm
- MICROSOFT PROXY SERVER BETA IN HIGH DEMAND!
http://www.microsoft.com/proxy/step1.htm
- PROXY SERVER BETA TESTERS FORUM
http://www.microsoft.com/proxy/support.htm
- DATAMATION REPORTS SNA SERVER 3.0 IS A WINNER
http://www.datamation.com/PlugIn/issues/1996/sept/09nt1frame.html
- MICROSOFT SITEBUILDER CONFERENCE: INNOVATING ON THE
INTRANET AND INTERNET
http://www.microsoft.com/webdev
- MICROSOFT'S FILE AND PRINT SERVICES FOR NETWARE NOW
SUPPORTS NOVELL'S CLIENT32
http://www.microsoft.com/kb/softlib
- ENT CHOOSES WINDOWS NT RESOURCE PAGE AS WEBSITE OF
THE MONTH
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/tools/tools.htm
http://www.cardinal.com/ent.
- BACKOFFICE COMES TO THE FOREFRONT
http://www.nwfusion.com
INDUSTRY NEWS
- NCR TERADATA DATABASE PORTS TO WINDOWS NT SERVER
http://www.ncr.com.
- FILENET INTRODUCES GREENBAR SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS NT
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COMPAQ TPC-C RESULTS
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MICROSOFT PROXY SERVER BETA IN HIGH DEMAND!
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DATAMATION REPORTS SNA SERVER 3.0 IS A WINNER
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In fact, some sites are planning to switch from NetWare
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MICROSOFT SITEBUILDER CONFERENCE: INNOVATING ON THE INTRANET
AND INTERNET
On October 28-30, Microsoft will host its first-ever
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MICROSOFT'S FILE AND PRINT SERVICES FOR NETWARE NOW SUPPORTS
NOVELL'S CLIENT32
Now available, Client32 support for the recently released
File and Print Services for NetWare (FPNW). This enhancement,
when applied to FPNW 4.0 running on Windows NT Server 4.0,
will permit Client32-compatible redirectors to see and use
services from your Windows NT Server. Microsoft made this
enhancement available early due to customer demand. Many
NetWare customers have already upgraded to Novell's 32-bit
client for Windows 95 and Windows NT Workstation and,
until now, these clients were not able to take advantage of
Windows NT Server 4.0. With this update to FPNW, NetWare
customers can deploy Windows NT Server 4.0 into their
existing network, enhancing their network with the best
and easiest to deploy, manage and use Intranet platform.
To get Client32 support for FPNW, go to
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ENT CHOOSES WINDOWS NT RESOURCE PAGE AS WEBSITE OF THE MONTH
ENT, the magazine for managers of Windows NT, has selected
the Microsoft Windows NT Resource Page
(http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/tools/tools.htm) as its
site of the month for October 1996. This is the first time
that a commercial site has been chosen as the site of the
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BACKOFFICE COMES TO THE FOREFRONT
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NCR TERADATA DATABASE PORTS TO WINDOWS NT SERVER
At its annual global customer conference held in San Diego,
NCR outlined components of the strategy for an open and
more powerful Teradata data warehouse engine including:
porting Teradata to Windows NT Server, a multifaceted
data mart program that includes product enhancements to
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multimedia and Internet enhancements. NCR is a member
of the Microsoft Data Warehouse Alliance, helping devise
methods for data movement in Microsoft SQL Server and
bringing simpler, more effective Internet access to data
warehousing and administration. For more information see
http://www.ncr.com.
FILENET INTRODUCES GREENBAR SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS NT
FileNet has introduced Greenbar Client/Server software that
improves management of computer output reports and
statements and provides powerful data extraction and analysis
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CHANGES IN THIS RELEASE
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dklite_i.zipwinnt.150nenad,
-> #145, orlic> Znam za tezi nacin tj. ubijanje NTFS particije Partiticion Magic-om i
> onda jedan sys c: ili jos tezi npr. prepisivanje boot-a nulama :))
> Zanima me da li je to negde sadrzano u OS-u.
NT ne dozvoljava da se ubije particija sa koje se podiže, rešenje
su diskete, FDISK iz Linux-a, PC-DOS-a ili OS/2, ili Nortonov
DiskEditor u kome možeš da edituješ particionu tabelu. Za ovo
poslednje valja paziti šta se radi. Najjednostavnije je, svakako,
da se NT uopšte i ne instalira. ;)
winnt.151sljubisic,
-> #150, nenad
>poslednje valja paziti sta se radi. Najjednostavnije je, svakako,
>da se NT uopste i ne instalira. ;)
Salu na stranu, najbolje je prilikom instalacije ostaviti file sistem onakvim
kakav je bio - sto je najcesce FAT. NT ce sasvim lepo raditi i na njemu, a
kada se korisnik vec malo privikne na doticni OS, jedno 'convert c: /fs:ntfs'
ce sasvim lepo odraditi posao.
Na ovaj nacin ce svi oni koji su ovaj operativni sistem instalirali samo iz
znatizelje (sto je u poslednje vreme najcesci slucaj) moci da doticni NT4.0
lako i jednostavno, sa jednim 'sys c:' sa sistemske diskete, 'uklone' sa
hard-diska.
winnt.152cnenad,
-> #146, calex=> 2 Start the WindowsNT Setup program.
=> 3 When WindowsNT Setup asks you to select the partition on which you
Samo što do ovog momenta ima da se otegne, dok ne završi kopiranje
fajlova za instalaciju :((( a ponekad nema i mesta za Temp fajlove. Za
FAT particije zna da traži i po 120 Mb :((((
^C
winnt.153cnenad,
-> #145, orlic=> Da li se NT 4.0 moze skinuti sa masine 'regularno'?
=> Znam za tezi nacin tj. ubijanje NTFS particije Partiticion Magic-om i onda
Šta znači to regularno ? Da konvertuješ NTFS u FAT pa obrišeš NT ? Ne može,
dok deinstaliranje sa FAT-a se svodi na brisanje NT.
Kod NTFS-a, prvo skloniš na FAT particiju sve što ti je bitno ili uradiš
bekap a zatim sistemska disketa Win 95 i njegov FDISK. Opcija broj 3 pa
onda broj 4 za Delete NON DOS partition.
Nakon toga napraviš novu, formatiraš je pod FAT-om i to je to.
^C
winnt.154cnenad,
-> #150, nenad=> poslednje valja paziti šta se radi. Najjednostavnije je, svakako,
=> da se NT uopšte i ne instalira. ;)
Ne pričaj gluposti. BTW, pravi OS nije za svakog.
^C
winnt.155orlic,
-> #146, calex
Ca> ║ Da li se NT 4.0 moze skinuti sa masine 'regularno'?
Ca> ║ Znam za tezi nacin tj. ubijanje NTFS particije Partiticion Magic-om
Ca> i Ë──────────────
Ca> Zasto je Partition Magic tezi nacin? ;)
Ma nije tezak nacin. Stavise, veoma brz, efikasan i elegantan. Ali
neregularan, a to ne volim ;) No, iz tvoje poruke vidim da je stvarno
najbrzi i "najregularniji" ;)
winnt.156mikis,
-> #150, nenad+> NT ne dozvoljava da se ubije particija sa koje se podiže, rešenje
+> su diskete, FDISK iz Linux-a, PC-DOS-a ili OS/2, ili Nortonov
+> DiskEditor u kome možeš da edituješ particionu tabelu. Za ovo
Odakle ti ta ideja? NT-ovu particiju možeš ubiti čime god hoćeš
(uključujući i DOS-ov FDISK), ostaje samo da se MBR očisti od NT-ovog Boot
bloka. Osim ako nisi mislio da je ubijaš iz samog NT-a? :)
winnt.157cnenad,
-> #156, mikis=> +> NT ne dozvoljava da se ubije particija sa koje se podiže, rešenje
=> Odakle ti ta ideja? NT-ovu particiju možeš ubiti čime god hoćeš
Pogledaj malo bolje šta je imenjak napisao i videćeš da je u pravu. BOOT NT
particiju NT sam nikako neće obrisati. To je moguće na RISC mašinama, barem
tako kaže Help Disk Administratora.
Ono što mi se veoma sviđa kod dotičnog Disk Adm. je mogućnost da od više
paritcija koje su prazne, znači neformatirane napravi Volume set i da se
dotični kasnije formatira, dakle spoji se prostor i tretira kao jedna
pariticija iako ih je na disku više. Pored ovoga takav prazan prostor se
može 'prilepiti' na NTFS particiju bez da se gube podaci na njoj.
Npr. DA je pronašao da imam još 2 Mb praznog prostora na disku. Na Ext.
particiji sam obrisao drugi logički disk a zatim spojio njegov prostor sa
tih 2 Mb.
=> (uključujući i DOS-ov FDISK), ostaje samo da se MBR očisti od NT-ovog Boot
Za ovaj baš i nisam siguran. Recimo, iz verzije 6.22 je prijavio da imam
HPFS particiju ali nisam siguran da postoji u njemu opcija Delete Non DOS
partition. Win 95 Fdisk je ima i gazi je ko od šale.
winnt.158calex,
-> #142, nesh║ ... Što se tiče mapera za NT (3.51), znam samo za Accent 4.0 (eno ga u
Ë──────────────
║ Accent radi savršeno. Jedino treba da se isključi Serbian
║ tastatura.
Ë──────────────
Kako to radi savršeno? Na koji način da se izaberu Cyr fontovi da
se izmapira? On ponudi samo standardne fontove, bez scripta ili podele
na CE i Cyr (i ostale). :( Ili ja nešto pogrešno radim? Naravno, mislim
na Windows NT 4.0.
winnt.159zormi,
-> #158, calex*║ Accent radi savršeno. Jedino treba da se isključi Serbian
*║ tastatura.
*
* Kako to radi savršeno? Na koji način da se izaberu Cyr fontovi da
* se izmapira? On ponudi samo standardne fontove, bez scripta ili podele
* na CE i Cyr (i ostale).
Ja sam problem rešio editovanjem Alias= liste direktno u kbd ini datoteci
(otkucao parove u WinWordu a onda uradio copy&paste).
winnt.160calex,
Izgleda da je počelo. ;))
STATUS
======
Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in Windows NT version 4.0. A
supported fix is now available, but has not been fully regression-tested
and should be applied only to systems experiencing this specific problem.
Unless you are severely impacted by this specific problem, Microsoft
recommends that you wait for the next Service Pack that contains this fix.
Contact Microsoft Product Support Services for more information.
Evo i malo detalja:
DOCUMENT:Q78303 24-Sep-1996 [winnt]
TITLE :Windows NT File Corruption Problem
PRODUCT :Microsoft Windows NT
PROD/VER: 4.00
OPER/SYS:WINDOWS
KEYWORDS:kbnetwork kbbug4.0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The information in this article applies to:
- Microsoft Windows NT Workstation version 4.0
- Microsoft Windows NT Server version 4.0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
SYMPTOMS
========
If files are rapidly accessed on a Windows NT File server, intermittent
data corruption may occur. Microsoft Internet News Server data files
may exhibit these symptoms. The problem is more likely to be observed
on a Multiprocessor system.
CAUSE
=====
If an application is performing a write-extend of a file, the cache
manager read ahead thread is also reading the current last page of the
file as part of a larger read. The read ahead thread issues the read
and the write is blocked waiting for the read to complete. Due to a
timing problem that may occur, the memory manager wakes the write
thread associated with the IO operation. This thread will place null
characters in the last page which is beyond the current file size and
then write the new data into the page. The read thread wakes up and
also zeroes the last page after the write thread has written the new
data. The update to the page is lost and null characters are appended
in the file instead of the data which should have been committed for
the IO operation.
hotfix.zipwinnt.161calex,
-> #159, zormi║ Ja sam problem rešio editovanjem Alias= liste direktno u kbd ini datoteci
Ë──────────────
Pazi stvarno, zašto li sam prestao da proučavam ini fajlove. :))
Idem dalje, kako postaviti da u Task baru ikone minimizovanih
dos programa budu one koje su i na desktopu? Nervira me kad otvorim
nekoliko takvih a na Alt-Tab sve imaju istu ikonu. :(
winnt.162orlic,
-> #152, cnenad
=> 2 Start the WindowsNT Setup program.
=> 3 When WindowsNT Setup asks you to select the partition on which you
Cn> Samo sto do ovog momenta ima da se otegne, dok ne zavrsi kopiranje
Cn> fajlova za instalaciju :((( a ponekad nema i mesta za Temp fajlove. Za
Cn> FAT particije zna da trazi i po 120 Mb :((((
Startujes smartdrv, instalaciju sa winnt/b i da vidis kako se NT instalira
za 20 min :) Inace rekord za verziju 3.51 mi je bio 8min :))
winnt.163orlic,
-> #153, cnenad
=> Da li se NT 4.0 moze skinuti sa masine 'regularno'?
=> Znam za tezi nacin tj. ubijanje NTFS particije Partiticion Magic-om i onda
Cn> Sta znaci to regularno ? Da konvertujes NTFS u FAT pa obrises NT ? Ne
Cn> moze, dok deinstaliranje sa FAT-a se svodi na brisanje NT.
Sta znaci regularno? Predvidjeno u samom OS-u (programu).
Cn> Kod NTFS-a, prvo sklonis na FAT particiju sve sto ti je bitno ili
Cn> uradis bekap a zatim sistemska disketa Win 95 i njegov FDISK. Opcija
Cn> broj 3 pa onda broj 4 za Delete NON DOS partition.
Da li si siguran da FDISK vidi tu particiju? Ne bih rekao, tj. na toj
masini nije video...
winnt.164orlic,
-> #154, cnenad
=> poslednje valja paziti sta se radi. Najjednostavnije je, svakako,
=> da se NT uopste i ne instalira. ;)
Cn> Ne pricaj gluposti. BTW, pravi OS nije za svakog.
BTW, NT 4.0 je daleko od 'pravog' OS-a...
winnt.165cnenad,
-> #162, orlic=> Startujes smartdrv, instalaciju sa winnt/b i da vidis kako se NT instalira
=> za 20 min :) Inace rekord za verziju 3.51 mi je bio 8min :))
Šta se događa u varijanti kad instalaciju pokreneš sa parametrom /b ? Ne
kopira fajlove, čak i kad su na HD-u ili CD-u na hard ili je nešto drugo
u pitanju ? Normalno da treba uključiti SmrtDrajv ;) ali i dalje ostajem
pri stavu da ovakav postupak za uklanjanje NTFS particije nije korektan
jer je zamoran. Ko mora, zašto da ne, treba se snaći. Ipak preferiram
sistemsku disketu i FDISK. Zašto jednostavno kad može komlikovano ?
winnt.166cnenad,
-> #163, orlic=> Sta znaci regularno? Predvidjeno u samom OS-u (programu).
I šta će on da odradi, osim istu stvar koju dobijaš i sa FDISK-om.
=> Da li si siguran da FDISK vidi tu particiju? Ne bih rekao, tj. na toj
=> masini nije video...
Vidi je itekako, da ponovim još jednom, FDISK i sistemska disketa iz Win95.
Šta misliš kako sam ja gazio NTFS particiju da bih ponovo instalirao NT ?
winnt.167cnenad,
-> #164, orlic=> BTW, NT 4.0 je daleko od 'pravog' OS-a...
Voleo bih da navedeš tačno, koliko je daleko i zašto ?
winnt.168sljubisic,
-> #165, cnenad>Sta se dogada u varijanti kad instalaciju pokrenes sa parametrom /b ? Ne
>kopira fajlove, cak i kad su na HD-u ili CD-u na hard ili je nesto drugo
>u pitanju ?
Ne pravi one tri 'instalacione' diskete. Stedi vreme, a ponekad samim
tim i zivce :)
winnt.169spantic,
-> #164, orlic> BTW, NT 4.0 je daleko od 'pravog' OS-a...
Ovo je zaista hrabra izjava. Dakle, kakav je to NT OS?
winnt.170cnenad,
-> #168, sljubisic=> Ne pravi one tri 'instalacione' diskete. Stedi vreme, a ponekad samim
=> tim i zivce :)
Isto se dobija i sa WINNT /X
a pride nema potrebe navoditi gde se nalaze fajlovi za instalaciju (mada
to pita na prvom ekranu) uz prekidač /S koji se mora navesti kad se
troši /B
PoJenta je bila da sam očekivao da /B ne radi kopiranje fajlva. Najveći
broj fajlova ako ne i svi su normalni fajlovi i imaju na kraju _, npr.
EX_ i NT ih bez potrebe kopira čak i kad se nalaze na hardu, pre nego
što zaista krene u instalaciju.
winnt.171orlic,
-> #169, spantic
> BTW, NT 4.0 je daleko od 'pravog' OS-a...
Sp> Ovo je zaista hrabra izjava. Dakle, kakav je to NT OS?
Uh, pogresno protumacena 'prejaka' izjava :) Nisam mislio ono sto vi
mislite :) Napisano je posle zezancija sa NT-om pa je i u takvom tonu...
winnt.172calex,
-> #166, cnenad║ Vidi je itekako, da ponovim još jednom, FDISK i sistemska disketa iz
║ Win95.
Ë──────────────
Ja sam probao sa starim dosom a bogami jutros i sa sistemskom
disketom iz Win95 i nisam uspeo. :)
║ Šta misliš kako sam ja gazio NTFS particiju da bih ponovo instalirao NT ?
Ë──────────────
Baš bih voleo da znam gde grešim. :) Potpuno isto se ponaša i sa
starim i novim FDISK-om. NTFS prepozna kao ext particiju ali nema nigde
logičkog drajva. Kada pokušam da obrišem tu ext particiju, kaže da ne
može da je briše jer postoji logički a njega ne mogu da izbrišem ....
jer ga nema. :((
winnt.173vimm,
-> #172, calex>> Baš bih voleo da znam gde grešim. :) Potpuno isto se ponaša i sa
>> starim i novim FDISK-om. NTFS prepozna kao ext particiju ali nema nigde
>> logičkog drajva. Kada pokušam da obrišem tu ext particiju, kaže da ne
>> može da je briše jer postoji logički a njega ne mogu da izbrišem ....
>> jer ga nema. :((
Kada pokreneš FDISK sa sistemske diskete za win95 idi na opciju
3. Delete Partition or Logical Dos Drive,
pa u novom meniju izaberi opciju
4. Delete Non-DOS Partition
i dalje znaš sam. Ovako sam ja 'ubio' NTFS particiju.
Pozdrav Vladimir
winnt.174cnenad,
-> #172, calex=> Baš bih voleo da znam gde grešim. :) Potpuno isto se ponaša i sa
=> starim i novim FDISK-om. NTFS prepozna kao ext particiju ali nema nigde
Vlada ti je već odgovorio a ja da dopunim. Pre instalacije NT-a sam imao
sledeću situaciju na disku:
C: Primary Active 500 Mb FAT
Extended 1.126 Mb
- D: Logical 500 Mb FAT
- E: Logical 500 Mb FAT
- F: Logical 126 Mb FAT
Nakon instalacije NT-a na primarnu, aktivnu particiju, ista je konvertovaa
u NTFS. Takvu particiju FDISK iz Win 95 vidi bez problema, briše i slično.
FDISK iz DOS-a 6.22 je vidi kao HPFS i ne može joj ništa, jer (možda grešim)
nema opciju DELETE NON DOS partition.
U jednom momentu sam obrisao E: i F: i zatim formirao novu E: particiju
od 626 Mb da i formatirao pod NTFS-om.
Takav logički disk na Extendet particiji nije ni FDISK iz Win 95 video.
Pretpostavljam da je ovo stvar koja te muči ? Ako je tako, rešenje je ili
da probaš ono programče koje čita NTFS particije iz DOS-a pa da čupaš
bitne fajlove ili da instaliraš NT i prekopiraš te fajlove.
Dakle, treba odmah muški udariti po Primarnoj aktivnoj particiji i tamo
strpati NT. Čemu to petljanje sa Extended particijama - logičkim diskovima ?
winnt.175cnenad,
-> #171, orlic=> mislite :) Napisano je posle zezancija sa NT-om pa je i u takvom tonu...
Kojih zezancija ? Sa FDISK-om ? Misliš da pravi OS ne bi to smeo da
dozvoli ? A kad ga treba ukloniti platiti put i dnevnicu MS-ovim inžinjerima
da dođu i ugaze skota ?
winnt.176dvesic,
-> #172, calex> starim i novim FDISK-om. NTFS prepozna kao ext particiju ali nema
> nigde logičkog drajva. Kada pokušam da obrišem tu ext particiju,
> kaže da ne može da je briše jer postoji logički a njega ne mogu da
> izbrišem .... jer ga nema. :((
Što lepo ne koristiš FDISK iz OS/2. Bije i ne pita :)
winnt.177mikis,
- novo -
dos\diskutil\*.*
------------------
ntfsd12.zip 35k ű Pristup NTFS particijama iz DOS-a (read-only) v1.2
======================================================================
NTFS File System Driver for DOS/Windows V1.2 (read-only)
Copyright (C) 1996 Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell
Last modified September 11, 1996
======================================================================
NTFSDOS.EXE is a network file system redirector for DOS/Windows
that is able to recognize and mount NTFS drives for transparent
access. It makes NTFS drives appear indistinguishable from standard
FAT drives, providing the ability to navigate, view and execute programs
on them from DOS or from Windows, including from the Windows 3.1 File
Manager and Windows 95 Explorer.
Enhancements over V1.1
======================
NTFSDOS V1.2 has the following improvements over V1.1:
- Support for NT 4.0 formatted drives
- Command line options for cache sizing and drive mapping
- Support for large drives (>2GB). If extended INT13 services
are present in the BIOS, NTFSDOS will use them to access drives.
- Conflicts with MSCDEX fixed. NTFSDOS can now co-exist with
Microsoft's real-mode CD-ROM driver.
- Drive detection fixed. NTFSDOS no longer confuses HPFS drives
for NTFS (finally!).
- Several minor bug fixes.
winnt.178calex,
-> #173, vimm║ 4. Delete Non-DOS Partition
Ë──────────────
║ i dalje znaš sam. Ovako sam ja 'ubio' NTFS particiju.
Ë──────────────
Jok, nemam ja Non-DOS Partition. :) Daklem, nje nema, logičku ne
može da obriše jer nema ni nje a extended neće jer na njoj ima ...
logička. Izgleda da mi je NTFS žilaviji no ostalima. ;)
Ubijao sam ja to na mnoge načine, mada ne i kad sam hteo ponovo da
instaliram NT. Mislim da će od sada samo to da bude slučaj, nikako više
vraćanje na prethodne verzije i tipove. ;)
winnt.179calex,
-> #174, cnenad║ Pretpostavljam da je ovo stvar koja te muči ? Ako je tako, rešenje je ili
║ da probaš ono programče koje čita NTFS particije iz DOS-a pa da čupaš
║ bitne fajlove ili da instaliraš NT i prekopiraš te fajlove.
Ë──────────────
Ne muči mene ništa. :) Najmanji mi je problem da instaliram NT na
neki drugi disk ako nešto 'oću da čupam. :)
║ Dakle, treba odmah muški udariti po Primarnoj aktivnoj particiji i
║ tamo strpati NT. Čemu to petljanje sa Extended particijama - logičkim
║ diskovima ?
Ë──────────────
Nikakvo petljanje, samo sam hteo da ostavim mogućnost korišćenja i
drugih OS, koji moraju da budu na primarnoj. Prvo je napravljena FAT
particija i prilikom instalacije NT-a prihvaćeno da ga instalira na
neformatiranom i nedirnutom delu diska.
winnt.180calex,
-> #176, dvesic║ Što lepo ne koristiš FDISK iz OS/2. Bije i ne pita :)
Ë──────────────
Ma ko da diže pet minuta sistem i da troši dve diskete da dođe
do njega? :))
winnt.181kostja,
-> #170, cnenad=> PoJenta je bila da sam ocekivao da /B ne radi kopiranje fajlva. Najveci
=> broj fajlova ako ne i svi su normalni fajlovi i imaju na kraju _, npr.
=> EX_ i NT ih bez potrebe kopira cak i kad se nalaze na hardu, pre nego
=> sto zaista krene u instalaciju.
To je tacno, ali da se nisi slucajno setio da resetujes racunar u toku
instalacije? E, ja jesam, zarad provere stabilnosti sistema.
NT kopira fajlove na hard disk jer ih prvo raspakuje, a onda krece
cisto kopiranje fajlova na odredjenu particiju/destinaciju. To je
i razlog sto sa NT trazi na disku 119Mb iako je instalacija 76-77
istih.
winnt.182kostja,
-> #173, vimm=> Kada pokrenes FDISK sa sistemske diskete za win95 idi na opciju
=>
=> 3. Delete Partition or Logical Dos Drive,
Cuj, ipak je najjednostavnije da se upotrebi Particion Magic
koji sve lepo ocas posla odradi.
winnt.183calex,
Već napisah da je krenulo. :)) Pojavio se Service Pack CD-ROM.
- novo -
windows\system\*.*
------------------
sp1_400i.zip 1571k ű Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Workstation and Server
U.S. Service Pack 1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Contents
--------
1.0 Introduction
2.0 Installation Instructions for the Windows NT 4.0 U.S. Service Pack 1
2.1 User Notes
2.2 List of Bugs Fixed in Windows NT 4.0 U.S. Service Pack 1
---
2.2 List of Bugs Fixed in Windows NT 4.0 U.S. Service Pack 1
--------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: Use the Qxxxxxx number that precedes the title of the bug fix to
query the Microsoft Knowledge Base to find an article about that bug.
Service Pack 1
--------------
Q78303: Intermittent File Corruption Problem
Q142653: STOP Message Occurs Calling GetThreadContext/SetThreadContext
Q142654: Winsock Memory Access Violation in Ws2help.dll Or Msafd.dll
Q142655: Stop Message Appears After Deleting ProductOption Registry Key
Q142656: Internet Explorer 3.0 on RISC Computer Cannot Connect to Host
Q142657: Data Corruption on Windows NT 4.0
Q142658: Internet Information Server Runs Out of Memory
Q142659: Internet Explorer 2.0 Fails To Check the Country Code/Language
Q149903: File Manager Performs a Move Instead of a Copy
Q156832: STOP Message when IBM Warp Client Connects to Windows NT 4.0
readme.txtwinnt.184cnenad,
-> #179, calex=> Nikakvo petljanje, samo sam hteo da ostavim mogućnost korišćenja i
=> drugih OS, koji moraju da budu na primarnoj. Prvo je napravljena FAT
Kojih to ? Warp, Linux ? Nemam iskustva sa njima pa će te već neko
posavetovati bolje, ali zaista, nije problem da na primarnoj FAT particiji
ostaviš DOS i preko njega instaliraš NT. Ah da, može i W95.
Nego nismo do kraja razmotrili tvoj "problem". Dakle, šta se događa kod
tebe ? Imaš NTFS volume na logičkom disku, extended particije ? Kao što
rekoh, podigni NT, prebaci bitne podatke sa nje ako ih imaš, obriši taj
NTFS volume iz Disk Administratora i formatiraj ga pod FAT-om.
winnt.185calex,
-> #184, cnenad║ Kojih to ? Warp, Linux ? Nemam iskustva sa njima pa će te već
║ neko posavetovati bolje, ali zaista, nije problem da na primarnoj FAT
Ë──────────────
Da li ti to mene malo ...? ;) Ako probaš da malo pažljivije čitaš
poruke, videćeš da nikakav problem nisam imao nego da je bilo rasprave
o svim mogućim načinima sklanjanja NTFS-a sa diska.
Primarnu particiju traže stari DOS i razni Prozori pa dok god ne
proverim šta sve radi a šta ne na NT-u, moraju i oni da imaju svoje
mesto na disku.
║ Nego nismo do kraja razmotrili tvoj "problem". Dakle, šta se događa kod
║ tebe ? Imaš NTFS volume na logičkom disku, extended particije ? Kao što
Ë──────────────
Opet pitanje iz prvog pasusa. :) Znam prilično mnogo načina da
uradim ovo što pominješ. Jedino što tvoje rešenje (FDISK iz W95) kod
mene nije prošlo.
Ako si rešio da mi pomažeš, postavio sam par pitanja u prethodnim
porukama pa da ponovim neka od njih. ;))
Kako da promenim ikone koje se pojavljuju u task-baru za sve dos
programe? Umesto ikone koja je na desktopu, na taskbaru (i kod promena
taska sa Atl-Tab) se uvek vidi ona MS-DOS ikona. :(
Da li ima neki normalan način da promenim slovo particiji na kojoj
je instaliran NT? Kod prethodnika (3.51) je to bez problema radilo, u
disk administratoru prijavim slovo koje 'oću (uglavnom N:) i uz par
promena sve radi ok. Sad prijavi da to može da pravi probleme ali ga
odradi. Posle toga, Inbox i Internet Explorer ostanu bez ikona pa je
pravo mučenje povratiti ih. Posle toga ostaje gomila programa koji su,
naravno, definisani po onom prvom slovu particije i nekima je malo teže
promeniti parametre. :(
winnt.186vimm,
-> #185, calex=> Kako da promenim ikone koje se pojavljuju u task-baru za sve dos
=> programe? Umesto ikone koja je na desktopu, na taskbaru (i kod promena
=> taska sa Atl-Tab) se uvek vidi ona MS-DOS ikona. :(
Pronađi odgovarajući .pif i tu postavi ikonicu koja ti odgovara ;)
Jednostavno, zar ne?
winnt.187cnenad,
-> #185, calex=> proverim šta sve radi a šta ne na NT-u, moraju i oni da imaju svoje
Čudan način isprobavanja.
=> uradim ovo što pominješ. Jedino što tvoje rešenje (FDISK iz W95) kod
=> mene nije prošlo.
Zar ti nisam već dvaputa napisao da to što si hteo ne može sa FDISK-om ?
=> Kako da promenim ikone koje se pojavljuju u task-baru za sve dos
Pogledaj odgovor vimm-a.
=> Da li ima neki normalan način da promenim slovo particiji na kojoj
=> je instaliran NT? Kod prethodnika (3.51) je to bez problema radilo, u
Takvim glupostima se ne bavim, možda je jedan od razloga što je NT instaliran
na prim. particiju. A da, slova logičkih diskova na ext. particiji možeš
menjati bez problema (ako tamo nije instaliran NT)
=> naravno, definisani po onom prvom slovu particije i nekima je malo teže
=> promeniti parametre. :(
Dovoljan razlog da to ne radiš, barem sa onim logičkim diskom gde je
NT.
winnt.188kostja,
-> #185, calex=> Da li ima neki normalan nacin da promenim slovo particiji na kojoj
=> je instaliran NT? Kod prethodnika (3.51) je to bez problema radilo, u
=> disk administratoru prijavim slovo koje 'ocu (uglavnom N:) i uz par
Postoji i u verziji 4.0 i isto se i zove (reserve disk letter) samo
se sad ne secam tacno gde se nalazi jer sam NT skinuo zarad nedostatka
memorije. Cim pribavim memoriju stavljam NT.
winnt.189biber,
Imam par pitanja u vezi NT (odnose se i na 3.51 i na 4.0)
1. Da li postoji program koji omogućava ram disk?
2. Kako je rešeno mapiranje logičkih i fizičkih diskova?
Npr. u sistemu je prilikom instalacije postojao
samo jedan hard sa dve particije (dakle c: i d: )
Ako instaliram neki program za NT na particiju
d: šta će se desiti kada se doda još jedan hard.
Da li d: tada postaje e: , a novi hard postaje d: ,
kao što je bilo dosad u DOS-u, i da li u tom slučaju
se pomešaju putanje do instaliranog programa, kao
što se to dešava u W3.xx?
winnt.190djcorto,
-> #189, biber> 1. Da li postoji program koji omogucava ram disk?
Da bi ti ostalo RAMa za to, treba da imas jako puno u masini ...
NT RAM nemilice trosi, ne pita za swap i slicno. Osim toga, sta
ce ti ram disk pod NTom ?
> 2. Kako je reseno mapiranje logickih i fizickih diskova?
Mozes izmenjati sva slovca svih diskova, osim butnog, naravno,
bez ikakavih problema.
winnt.191nenad,
-> #183, calex> sp1_400i.zip 1571k ű Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 1
> Q78303: Intermittent File Corruption Problem
> Q142657: Data Corruption on Windows NT 4.0
Šta kažu, koliko "rapidno" sada možemo da pristupamo fajlovima? ;)
> Q149903: File Manager Performs a Move Instead of a Copy
Još uvek postoji filemanager?
winnt.192mikis,
-> #187, cnenad+>=> uradim ovo što pominješ. Jedino što tvoje rešenje (FDISK iz W95) kod
+>=> mene nije prošlo.
+>
+> Zar ti nisam već dvaputa napisao da to što si hteo ne može sa FDISK-om ?
Prava istina je (izgleda): FDISK pomaže samo ako je NT instaliran na
primarnoj particiju. Ako je extended, zaista ne može da je obriše (javi ono
"no logical drives...". Takođe, kolega nam se žalio na još jedan problem - ako
je ime diska (volume) napisano malim slovima (što ume da bude posledica
NT-ovog prčkanja po istom), particija se ne može ubiti iz DOS-ovog FDISK-a.
Da rezimiramo: pravo i konačno rešenje je Partition Magic :)
winnt.193mikis,
-> #186, vimm+> Pronađi odgovarajući .pif i tu postavi ikonicu koja ti odgovara ;)
+>
+> Jednostavno, zar ne?
Jeste, samo sutra. To je prvo što sam i ja uradio, i, naravno, u taskbaru
je i dalje MSDOS ikonica.
Još jedan problem koji me muči: da li neko zna kako da izbegnem sje***anje
palete koje se dešava kad DOS program (npr. Dos Navigator) prebacim iz Full
Screen u Windowed mod? Ovo se dešava i pod NT 3.51, i pod 4.0. Npr, koristim
_SPRING paletu; ako u šortkatu (PIF-u) podesim da se startuje u full screen
modu, boje su potpuno poremećene (isti je slučaj i sa gotovo svim ostalim
paletama; jedino je Norton paleta koliko-toliko čitljiva). Rešenje je da se DN
startuje u windowed modu, pa da se onda prebaci u full screen, ali zanima me
zašto se ovo dešava i da li se (i kako) može izbeći?
winnt.194calex,
-> #186, vimm║ Pronađi odgovarajući .pif i tu postavi ikonicu koja ti odgovara ;)
Ë──────────────
Čini mi se da NT sad radi na drugi način, ne baš preko pif-ova.
Daj malo više detalja pa da konačno ovaj NT to radi kao što je bilo na
svim prethodnim Prozorima. :) Inače, ikone su postavljene i normalno se
prikazuju na desktopu.
winnt.195calex,
-> #187, cnenad║ Čudan način isprobavanja.
Ë──────────────
Pa predloži neki bolji. Hoću da pređem na NT ali _moram_ da imam
mogućnost da povremeno uradim nešto što NT ne prihvata. Ipak ne radim
na svojoj makini pa ona mora i za nešto drugo da posluži.
║ Pogledaj odgovor vimm-a.
Ë──────────────
Nisam uspeo sa tim. Imaš li ti neki precizniji odgovor?
║ na prim. particiju. A da, slova logičkih diskova na ext. particiji možeš
║ menjati bez problema (ako tamo nije instaliran NT)
Ë──────────────
Pa? Ja bih da menjam slovo particiji na kojoj je NT. :)
║ Dovoljan razlog da to ne radiš, barem sa onim logičkim diskom gde je
║ NT.
Ë──────────────
Nisi baš shvatio. Daklem, instaliram NT na drugu particiju, on je
nazove D: i gomili programa pridruži to slovo. Onda ubacim još jedan
disk a NT dobije slovo E: pa više ne prihvata one programe koji imaju
definisano D:. Ako instaliram NT a drugi disk već postoji, onda NT
dodeljuje E: tamo gde 'oće pa kad skinem disk, opet problemi. Kao što
sam pomenuo, na ovu makinu mora često da se prikači još neki disk ili
da se skine neki koji je na njoj.
Ipak, ovo sam rešio na malo zaobilazan način. :)
winnt.196calex,
-> #188, kostja║ Postoji i u verziji 4.0 i isto se i zove (reserve disk letter) samo
║ se sad ne secam tacno gde se nalazi jer sam NT skinuo zarad nedostatka
Ë──────────────
Ako misliš na Disk Administrator, to u principu može ali se javi
problem sa programima kojima je prilikom instalacije zapisao da su na
pomenutom slovu. :(
winnt.197calex,
-> #189, biber║ Npr. u sistemu je prilikom instalacije postojao
║ samo jedan hard sa dve particije (dakle c: i d: )
║ Ako instaliram neki program za NT na particiju
Ë──────────────
Upravo ovo pokušavam da sredim. :) Potpuno isto se ponaša kao i
prethodnici, znači sledeći disk je D:, treći je E: a extended particije
se ređaju prema njima. To normalno dovodi do problema sa programima. :(
Neki prorade, nekima možeš da promeniš putanju ali neki samo odbiju da
krenu. :(
Ipak, k'o što pomenuh, rešio sam na malo zaobilazni način pa sada
nemam problema sa dodavanjima i skidanjima drugih diskova. :))
winnt.198calex,
-> #191, nenad║ Još uvek postoji filemanager?
Ë──────────────
Isto kao i kod Win 95, ima ga ali ga treba naći. :)
winnt.199calex,
-> #193, mikis║ palete koje se dešava kad DOS program (npr. Dos Navigator) prebacim iz
║ Full Screen u Windowed mod? Ovo se dešava i pod NT 3.51, i pod 4.0. Npr,
Ë──────────────
Da nije problem u Dos Navigatoru? Ovo se još negde dešava? Sad
sam postavio _SPRING paletu, full screen i normalno je pozvao. Možda
ti nešto u DN-u zbrlja. Koji DN? Verzije do 1.42 su se loše ponašale
sa Win 95 kao i sa ovim NT 4.0 pa je u ovoj gama 1.49 to rešeno.
winnt.200flora,
-> #197, calex> Ipak, k'o što pomenuh, rešio sam na malo zaobilazni način pa sada
> nemam problema sa dodavanjima i skidanjima drugih diskova. :))
A koji je to "zaobilazni" način ?
winnt.201tomil,
Da li postoje pogodni VIEW programi za pregled fajlova kao u
DOS-u, bez ulaženja u odgovarajući WIN program (npr. WORD, EXCEL,
ACAD, COREL...).
Evo šta ja koristim pod DOS-om, a ko zna neka dopiše odgovarajući
WIN ili NT program:
cdr: c:\util\view\cdrview.exe !.!
dwg: c:\util\svdwg\svdwg.exe -Dok:1 -Il:1 !.! (SirlinVIEW)
doc: c:\util\view\view113n.exe !.!
dot: c:\util\view\view113n.exe !.!
htm: c:\util\view\view113n.exe !.!
dbf: c:\util\view\dbv !.!
frx: c:\util\view\dbv !.!
mnx: c:\util\view\dbv !.!
pjx: c:\util\view\dbv !.!
scx: c:\util\view\dbv !.!
ZIP: c:\util\view\lgv !.!
ARJ: c:\util\view\lgv !.!
A0?: c:\util\view\lgv !.!
A1?: c:\util\view\lgv !.!
A2?: c:\util\view\lgv !.!
ddi: c:\util\view\ddiview.exe !.!
fli: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
gif: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
tif: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
pcx: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
pcc: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
lbm: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
jpg: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
tga: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
bmp: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
ico: c:\util\view\pve.exe !.!
hp: c:\util\view\printgl.exe !.! /FV (HPGL format fajla)
rtp: c:\util\arhiveri\patch.exe -list !.!
winnt.202cnenad,
-> #193, mikis=> Jeste, samo sutra. To je prvo što sam i ja uradio, i, naravno, u taskbaru
=> je i dalje MSDOS ikonica.
Probaj ponovo, trebalo bi da radi. Evo za primer 4DOS/NT 2.52 je konzolna
32-bitna NT aplikacija i ti iako na desktopu vidiš ikonicu koju je napravio
JP, NT ti strpa u Taskbar staru MSDOS ikonicu. Kad promeniš ikonicu tu
novu vidiš i u Taskbaru. Možda je za neke programe uvedeno ograničenje ili
se NT ponaša čudno, zavisno od programa do programa. Ko će ga znati.
=> Još jedan problem koji me muči: da li neko zna kako da izbegnem sje***anje
=> palete koje se dešava kad DOS program (npr. Dos Navigator) prebacim iz
Probaj PGP pa da vidiš šta tek on napravi. Zbrlja ANSI u Command Promptu
winnt.203cnenad,
-> #195, calex=> Nisam uspeo sa tim. Imaš li ti neki precizniji odgovor?
Isti kao što ti je on napisao. Za prave konzolne NT aplikacije ne postoji
PIF ali imaš mogućnost da za takav program promeniš ikonicu. Za ostale
DOS programe je najbolje da napraviš PIF i sve u njemu podesiš. Ukratko,
probao sam sa 4DOS/NT-om, DOS Navigator-om, TSE 2 editorom i sa svima
je radila promena ikonice.
=> Pa? Ja bih da menjam slovo particiji na kojoj je NT. :)
Menjaj ali ne kukaj onda kad počne da ti pravi probleme.
=> nazove D: i gomili programa pridruži to slovo. Onda ubacim još jedan
=> disk a NT dobije slovo E: pa više ne prihvata one programe koji imaju
Ma shvatio sam i meni se takođe ne sviđa to što radi, skoro potpuno
drugačije od W95. Možda je jedno od rešenja da napraviš duple prečice za
sve što imaš na D: disku kao da se nalaze i na E: pa kad nakačiš taj
drugi disk, barem ne moraš menjati putanje. Putanje u INI datotekama su
već, ozbiljan problem.
winnt.204nenad,
-> #199, calex> ║ palete koje se dešava kad DOS program (npr. Dos Navigator) prebacim iz
> ║ Full Screen u Windowed mod? Ovo se dešava i pod NT 3.51, i pod 4.0.
> Npr, Ë──────────────
>
> Da nije problem u Dos Navigatoru? Ovo se još negde dešava? Sad
> sam postavio _SPRING paletu, full screen i normalno je pozvao.
Na osnovu sličnih iskustava pretpostavljam da je problem u
drajveru za video kartu. Operativni sistem bi prilikom izlaska iz
virtualne DOS mašine trebao da sačuva registre video karte i
vrati one sistemske, a to isto da uradi i u suprotnom smeru kada
se vrati u DOS FS. Probajte sa drugim drajverom.