razno.307dbambi,
Prolazim pre neki dan pored ENJUB centra na EnBiDžiju i oko centra
(normalno) limena ograda koja stoji već 6-7 godina tamo. Ali to nije
bitno za priču. Elem, negde na uglu Bul. Lenjina i Bul. Umetnosti
na toj ogradi prvobitno su bili nalepljeni plakati Nove Demokratije
i to oni sa jajetom i trouglovima. Preko njih su tokom najnovije
pošasti prelepljeni plakati one ružičaste šnicle. Neko je (da li
slučajno ? :)) tako majstorski pocepao žabin plakat, da je glava
" otkinuta " tačno po liniji kragne, a ispod se precizno, tačno na
mestu glave nacrtalo ND jaje :)). Ako imate prilike da vidite i ako
(što je verovatnije) nije neko to već sklonio, ne propuštajte :)
Bambi
razno.308nenad,
-> #307, dbambi> Ako imate prilike da vidite i ako
> (što je verovatnije) nije neko to već sklonio, ne propuštajte :)
Pošto mi je to preko puta, obratiću pažnju već danas. :)
razno.309chill,
Posle nekoliko godina ukrštanja rasa i eksperimentisanja
napokon su postignuti očekivani rezulatati, napravljena
je nova rasa pasa Srpski Odbrambeni Pas.
sop.jpgrazno.310supers,
Pa dobro, ko je taj Grubor Marin?
Ceo Beograd je izlepljen njegovim slikama.
razno.311johnnya,
-> #310, supers >> Pa dobro, ko je taj Grubor Marin?
Biće da je neki beli mag, radiestezista ili bioenergetičar...
oni su poslednji imali akcije tog tipa :) Osim ako izuzmemo
političare (koji im onda dođu kolege po tom pitanju :)
razno.312morkin,
-> #311, johnnya> >> Pa dobro, ko je taj Grubor Marin?
>
> Biće da je neki beli mag, radiestezista ili bioenergetičar...
> oni su poslednji imali akcije tog tipa :) Osim ako izuzmemo
> političare (koji im onda dođu kolege po tom pitanju :)
:)))))))))))))
Nije. To je političar, barem namerava to da bude. Rođak je jednog mog komšije,
pa ga i ja dobro znam. Pozvan sam da budem jedan od prvih deset ljudi u
njegovoj (verovatno još neregistrovanoj) partiji.
Sad, kad bi vam neko to rekao, 'ladno bi ga odbili jer smatrate da je tako
nešto nemoguće. Mislio sam da je to samo priča "šta bih ja uradio da dođem na
vlast" i naravno, odbio sam. Nisam hteo da se smaram sa dobrovoljnim radom za
nešto što nisam mislio da će uopšte krenuti sa mrtve tačke.
Čovek ima interesantne ciljeve i iznenadio me je što je uopšte počeo sa
kampanjom. Ja neću da prenosim dalje nikakve poruke. On je očigledno dobro
promislio i govori o sebi koliko smatra da treba. Ako već nisam hteo da ga
podržim, neću ni da mu podmećem klipove ili miniram kampanju sa širenjem
informacija o njemu.
Činjenica je da je podstakao interesovanje.
Ako hoćete, preneću mu vaše utiske o kampanji (ono o belom magu pogotovo
:))))) ), baš me interesuje šta će da kaže.
Pitaću ga koliko o njemu smem da kažem, ako već nisam preterao.
razno.313supers,
-> #312, morkin>> Ako hoćete, preneću mu vaše utiske o kampanji (ono o belom magu
>> pogotovo :))))) ), baš me interesuje šta će da kaže.
Ovo što on radi je standardni reklamni postupak. Reklamiraš samo ime
proizvoda (Grubor Marin) i ne govoriš šta je ;) Tek posle izvesnog
vremena, kada se kritična masa ljudi zaintrigira, kreće drugi deo
kampanje i demistifikacija.
Sličice su mu dobro urađene (kvalitetne, sitne, ali jeftine i mnogobrojne).
Možda se malo previše uneo u objektiv kada su ga slikali ;)
Čovek ima dobre izglede da nadmaši uspeh Šećeroskog. Treba vam samo
1000 potpisa i možete biti predsednik Srbije.
razno.314junior,
-> #313, supers> Čovek ima dobre izglede da nadmaši uspeh Šećeroskog. Treba vam
> samo 1000 potpisa i možete biti predsednik Srbije.
Kandidat.
razno.315petronio,
Ma, ko to sme da kaze da ovo nije istina?
(1/2)
Moon & Mars Large volume
TOP SECRET FILE
FORM INFRA D.I.P. PROJECT MARXEN UFO88
DEPARTMENT OF INTERPLANETARY AFFAIRS OFFICIAL DOCUMENT/TRANS
ENVATE/PROJECT MARXEN
data inclusive DE-CLASSIFIED JANUARY 1, 1989 INEREN CLEARANCE BY
S . E. MAR
SUBJECT: U.F.O. AND REPORTED EXTRATERRESTRIAL ON
MOON AND MARS
CLASSIFICATION: Formerly TOP SECRET U.F.O., E B.E., AND E.T. CELL]
DATA AND OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THIS AGENCY AND OFFICIALS
FORMERLY OR ACTIVELY REPRESENTING THE UNITED NATIONS, MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
AGENCIES, AND THE N.A.S.A. SPACE PROGRAM, AS WELL AS CIVILIAN SCIENTIFIC
U.F.O. INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEES AND NETWORKS AND THE FILES OF M.I.N.D
INTERNATIONAL.
COMPILED BY S.E. MAR, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERPLANETARY
AFFAIRS JANUARY THROUGH MAY 1972 AND IN 1990.
by Steve Omar/EN MAR
THE MOON IS A FOREIGN NATION
Apollo Moon astronauts were often followed to the Moon, at times,
by U.F.O.s. Official N.A.S.A. Apollo 12 photograph AS12-497319 clearly
Shows a large U.F.O. hovering over an astronaut walking on the Moon.
The government agencies policies of keeping U.F.O.s secret from the
general public is well-known and has been well-documented in several
books by famous astronomers like J. Allen Hynek(who investigated
U.F.O.s for the U.S. Air Force, Major Donald Keyhoe, Timothy Good(in
his book Above Top Secret), and many other professionals. One unquestionably
absolute expert we may want to consult is Christopher Kraft, who
was director of the N.A.S.A. tracking base in Houston during the
Apollo Moon missions, when he revealed the following conversation
"after" he left his work at N.A.S.A.:
ASTRONAUTS NElL ARMSTRONG and BUZZ ALDRIN speaking from the Moon:
"Those are giant things. No, no, no .... this is not an optical
illusion. No one is going to believe this!"
MISSION CONTROL(HOUSTON CENTER): "What...what...what? What the hell
is happening? What's wrong with you?"
ASTRONAUTS: "They're here under the surface."
MISSION CONTROL: "What's there? Emission interrupted...interference
control calling Apollo II."
ASTRONAUTS: "We saw some visitors. They were there for awhile, observing
the instruments."
MISSION CONTROL:"Repeat your last information."
ASTRONAUTS: "I say that there were other spaceships. They're lined
up on the other side of the crater."
MISSION CONTROL: "Repeat...repeat!"
ASTRONAUTS: "Let us sound this orbita ..... In 625 to 5...automatic
relay connected...My hands are shaking so badly I can't do anything.
Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything..what
then?"
MISSION CONTROL: "Have you picked up anything?"
ASTRONAUTS: "I didn't have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers
or whatever they were that were ruining the film."
MISSION CONTROL: "Control, control here. Are you on your way? Is
the uproar with the U.F.O.s. over?
ASTRONAUTS: "They've landed there. There they are and they are watching
us."
MISSION CONTROL: "The mirrors, the mirrors...have you set them up?"
ASTRONAUTS: "Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those
space ships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out."
It is logical that if government agencies keep the existence of U.F.O.s
from outer space secret from the public, if they discovered the home
of the U.F.O.s that would obviously be secret also, and they would
have to release "cover stories" about the Moon to hide the truth.
The problem has been that witnesses have "talked" to our Department
of interplanetary Affairs.
Among the experts who told us about life on the Moon and the discoveries
of the astronauts were Farida Iskiovet, former U.F.O investigator
for the President of the United Nations, a mysterious Mr. English
who did TOP SECRET photography for N.A.S.A. and the moon astronauts,
Commander Mark Huber formerly of Naval Intelligence who knew much
top secret data, Sgt. Willard Wannal(formerly Army Intelligence),
Major Wayne S. Aho(formerly Army Intelligence who submitted U.F.O
research to Congress), Dr. James Hurrah from the N.A.S.A. space program,
and others who have secret identities. I personally spoke to all
of the above leaks and investigators.
Suspicion or interest in life on the Moon grabbed public attention
when the inventor of the radio(so credited) Marconi Tesla publicly
reported his experiments in transmitting radio signals to the Moon
and attempting to receive answers, which he indeed believed took
place. After that, American, British, and French astronomers reported
glowing and moving and sometimes even blinking lights on the Moon
during the 1920s and 1930s, often reported in local newspapers and
scientific journals of those years which can often be found in major
libraries. This interest peaked when a respected expert in aerial
phenomenon, Pulitzer Prize winning astronomer John O'Neill, publicly
reported observing the "bridge" on the Moon that appeared artificially
constructed by intelligence. There were other witnesses to the twelve
mile long "bridge" which was erected because it was not seen in the
same place before, and was later dismantled for unknown reasons(was
it too conspicuous?). The bridge sighting occurred in the early 1950s.
Most of the Gemini and Apollo astronauts admitted that they saw U.F.O.s
while they were in orbit, particularly Gordon Cooper who publicly
admitted he believed they were intelligently controlled craft(we
have seen his photos of U.F.O.S). James McDivitt also took U.F.O.
photos while orbiting Earth and we have seen these also. One Soviet
astronaut mission in the 1960s, designed to set a new record for
time in orbit, was mysteriously aborted right after their craft entered
space. Private researchers with powerful receiving radio equipment
claimed the Soviet cosmonauts were followed into orbit by U.F.O.s,
which surrounded them and began bouncing them back and forth as if
they were playing a ball game with the Soviet craft. The cosmonauts
reportedly panicked and were immediately Sent back to Earth.
During the 1950s many U.F.O.S seen over Earth were tracked back to
the Moon by government tracking stations in secret complexes in deserts
in Arizona and Nevada and inside underground mountain bases. WE HAVE
ONE PHOTO OF A SAUCER SHAPED CRAFT HOVERING OVER THE MOON, taken
by a civilian astronomer. Sergeant Willard Wannail, who investigated
U.F.O. landings on Oahu when in Army Intelligence, showed us an 8
by 10 CLEAR glossy detailed photo of a silvery spaceship hovering
directly over a huge Moon landscape, estimated to be several miles
long, and said to be CITY-SHIP designed to transport thousands of
people between solar systems or galaxies and live for extended periods
of time in self-sufficient orbiting communities!
In the 1950s to 1960s more moving, flashing, and stationary lights
were seen on the Moon by civilian astronomers, usually inside craters,
along with a mysterious glowing cross.
Soviet and American spacecraft in orbit over the Moon began to photograph
mysterious structures on the Moon which were censored by N.A.S.A.
for awhile, yet Were obtained by Scientific researchers like Fred
Steckling who demanded the evidence from this so-called "civilian
agency." It is amazing how N.A.S.A. released these photos WITHOUT
COMMENT! Many of the structures can only be seen when these photos
are blown-up to a much larger size.
The U.S. spacecraft RANGER II took over 200 photographs of Moon craters
with domes inside. These domes are nothing new. They were reported
in the news media by French astronomers about 48 years earlier.
33 Moon dome photos from Lunar Orbitter 2 were released without comment,
in Washington D.C., in 1967. On June 1, 1966, N.A.S.A. had admitted
to the news media that astronauts had Seen U.F.O.S, then later on
contradicted themselves by denying it. (anyone who saves all official
releases on U.F.O.S from agencies will find many contradictory statements
to prove a cover-up). That did not stop Astronaut Gordon Cooper from
his public statement "I believe in extraterrestrial life because
I saw a spacecraft"(on his 16th Gemini orbit). There are also the
photos in our files of the "Blair cuspids", taken by satellites on
the Moon showing strange spires that have been found to form perfect
geometric patterns. Tall white spires resembling the Washington monument
were photographed on the lunar surface, along with mysterious straight
roads or tracks that cut through craters, hills, valleys, and rock
piles without a twist. Some of the domes had flashing lights. Several
N.A.S.A. photos we saw showed long cigar-shaped objects parked on
the Moon, which later departed in other photos. We observed one photo
of a pyramid like object on the dark side. THE DARK SIDE is always
hidden to our eyes and telescopes on Earth, an obviously perfect
place for aliens to construct secret hidden spaceports. A lack of
atmosphere is no problem to enclosed domes with artificial environments,
which even N.A.S.A admits our scientists have the technology (but
not the billions of dollars) to construct, an underground bases with
artificial air-conditioning like our military now has on Earth.
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell privately told Farida Iskiovet, of our Department
of Interplanetary Affairs, that he saw a U.F.O. on the Moon.
In 1978 a mysterious tall, stocky, agent-appearing stereotype man
moved to Maui, identified as a Mr. English. I cannot give out his
full name. He had a TOP SECRET security clearance from N.A.S.A.,
and reported to me that he was staff photographer to the Apollo astronauts,
had photographed the wreckages and bodies of crashed alien flying
discs in a secret Texas Air Force hanger, and had a seen an unidentified
spacecraft in flight while with astronauts. He traded U.F.O. data
with us and admitted the astronauts have seen alien spacecraft on
the Moon, and that our Moon expose' is true!
There is an unconfirmed report that when Buzz Aldrin opened the door
after landing on the Moon, he immediately saw a transparent etherical
being staring at him outside. Welcome to the Moon?
N.A.S.A. director Kraft added that there was a public and a secret
private .A.S.A. radio frequency between Moon and Mission Control
and that the conversation above took place during a mysterious two
minute interruption in public transmissions. To prove it is the truth,
hundreds of independent CIVILIAN radio operators with powerful VHF
equipment separately reported hearing the AME spaceship report from
the Apollo moon-walkers! Soviet radio operators also picked it up
and published it in Moscow. Another mysterious radio message tom
the Moon was broadcast on French public television only one time
before it was censored AFTER it leaked out. That transmission appeared
to be a mysterious clearly spoken ALIEN LANGUAGE. The famous French
historian and author Robbert Charroux published the transmission
which has been suppressed in the U.S. It came from astronaut Worden
who transmitted it to N.A.S.A, and expert linguists have been unable
to translate the message.
However, the following PUBLIC RADIO BROADCASTS from the Moon WERE
NOT CENSORED:
"The dome-ical structures are partially filled up. Breach has either
flowed into these STRUCTURES before they were BUILT or the DOMES
are younger than the floor. The area is OVAL or ELLIPTICAL."
What are these domes and structures that were built? Apollo radio
public broadcasts from the Moon also used terms and phrases "FLASHES
OF LIGHT", "BUILDINGS", "ROADS", "TRACKS", and "HUGE BLOCKS." When
news reporters asked space program officials what these terms were
all about, they were absurdly told that these are metaphors for geological
formations. However, the scientist "who taught geology to the astronauts",
admitted he was totally baffled by those terms! This geology expert,
Farouk El Bez admitted the clincher when he said, "Not every discovery
has been announced." When news reporters asked him about the flashes
of light, Mr. Bez replied, "there is no question about it. Not natural."
Astronaut Irwin radioed back to Earth, "that's the most organized
structure I've ever seen." How Could the most organized structure
Irwin had ever seen be a natural formation? How can geological formations
flash on and off.
N.A.S.A. tried to distort the truth by replying volcanic action could
cause the flashes, yet in other contradictory statements said there
was no volcanic activity observed in those areas.
Domes up to 1,500 feet high, taller than our skyscrapers were too
high to deny that they were bigger than any building on Earth(miles
wide). A radio tower appearing thing was photographed, along with
sequences of large moving vehicles leaving tracks in the lunar soil.
We have these photo reproductions.
A huge clearly photographed lake, wider than Maui island, was photographed
on the hidden back side of the Moon with a spaceport near it(NASA
APOLLO 8, with what appears to be a long road in the distance.
Have any of you ever wondered why there have been NO ASTRONAUTS SENT
TO THE MOON SINCE 1973!? Why was the Moon program suddenly ended
after so much publicized great success? What sense does that make?
17 years of no landings as of this writing. Why did N.A.S.A. scientists
and spokesmen of the 1960s brag about how they were going to establish
space bases, mining operations, and colonists on the Moon in the
1980s change their plans? The likely excuse is lack of money from
Congress, but that was a cover-up. The Apollo program only costed
less than one percent of the budget! Considering the huge billions
spent on DEFENSE, the military advantage of having a base on the
Moon would be enormous. Why were the American space officials of
the 1950s-60s so publicly afraid that the Soviet military might beat
America to the Moon to gain a military advantage. So why risk that
serious threat by abandoning the Moon flights? And why did the Soviet
cosmonauts NEVER land on the Moon?
COULD IT BE THAT THE MOON IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY AND SOMEONE ELSES
PROPERTY, AND THE MOON GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT US COMING UP AND
INVADING THEIR TERRITORY WITH OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS, POLLUTION, UNWELCOME
MILITARY FACILITIES, DISEASES, LITTER, MINING EXPLOITATION, AND HISTORICALLY
PROVEN RECORD OF FOREIGN IMPERIALISM?
Could it be that Moon locals kicked us off their world fearing that
Americans would exploit and conquer the Moon like we did with the
Mexicans in the U.S. deserts, the Hawaiians, and other cultures.
And would Moon citizens welcome Soviet Communist dictatorship, military
aggression, and slave labor circa 1960s-70s? We doubt it.
N.A.S.A. is passed to the public as a civilian organization, but
is it really? It is funded by government controlling the policies
by financial pressures. N.A.S.A. directors and astronauts have traditionally
been former military officers drawing military pensions, many who
own stocks or positions in defense industries as civilians. When
in the military they took oaths of secrecy regarding U.F.O.S, subject
to U.F.O. secrecy laws like JANAP-146, The Code of Federal Regulations
title 14 section 1211, and other military laws demanding U.F.O. secrecy
for life. Punishments include fines up to $10,000, 10 year jail sentences,
persistence harassment, and transfer or confinement to remote inconvenient
military stations. While in the service people who talk too much
about U.F.O.S may be court martialled, reduced in rank and pay, and
dishonorably discharged, and in retirement they can lose all retirement
financial and medical benefits...their income. In all cases they
are threatened with confinement to mental institutions and the government
agencies WILL PUBLICLY SAY THEY LIED OR SUFFERED FROM HALLUCINATIONS,
etc. In cases of high ranking officers or key scientists or N.A.S.A.
directors knowing shocking details about alien visitors, these individuals
know that they can accidentally and suddenly die with their whole
families in "planned" accidental deaths engineered by military intelligence
agents. In extreme cases many were transferred to Vietnam or other
foreign war zones, and bombed by American airplanes on purpose to
silence them..and blame enemy planes. Some of the M.I.A.S met that
fate...or were imprisoned in remote underground bases after they
mysteriously disappeared "in action."
NOTE THAT the astronauts who talked about U.F.O.s were all from the
era before the first APOLLO Moon landing(1969)before the wall of
secrecy was imposed and during the years N.A.S.A. publicly admitted
U.F.O. sightings. Why did N.A.S.A. suddenly change it's public policy?
Was it the Apollo orbit around the Moon that sent back photographs
of mining operations, domes, roads, a pyramid, a spaceport(named
Luna) and lakes on the hidden dark side of the Moon? Did they fear
a possible alien invasion from that base and panic and fear the public
would panic? Was it too embarrassing to admit that all the billions
of taxpayers dollars spent on the space program was largely wasted
because the main goal was to colonize the Moon and we were kicked
off that world because "we are screwed-up?" No official wants to
admit what corrupt negative folks they are on the six o-clock news,
after being told so by aliens!
Why do some of the craters photographed on the Moon have the exact
same walls, floors, rims, and other details as atomic bomb craters...and
do not geologically look like the other craters formed by meteor
impact? The Lamont Observatory and other civilian experts noted that
fact.
Why did the N.A.S.A. program land a probe on the Moon, its batteries
went out, and it stopped working supposedly forever, and then someone
or something mysteriously turned it back on, repaired it, and it
began working after a year of silence? When confronted with their
photos of domes and roads and other artifacts, why do certain N.A.S.A.
spokesmen reply "no comment", "subject to further analysis", "not
all the discoveries have been announced" and other double-talk to
keep them looking clean if the bubble ever bursts big-time?
Plate 115, Apollo 16, 16-18918 has to be blown-up to clearly see
the large oval-shaped object inside a crater. N.A.S.A. has no scientific
explanation for this object that does not fit into the natural terrain.
Apollo 13 NASA NO. 13-60-8609 shows a large circular glowing UF.O.
hovering over a very dark Moon landscape, definitely not natural.
N.A.S.A. LUNAR ORBITER 5 Photo HR 1033, taken on the hidden side
of the Moon, clearly shows a huge cylindrical shaped object appearing
to be parked on the Moon with front section in an opening on the
side of the crater at Mare Moscovience. There is so scientific geological
explanation. Apollo 15 photo 1512640 shows a reported mining operation
at the Hunboltd crater. 3 domes are shown inside the crater Archimedes.
The ancient Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Chaldeans, Phonecians,
Assyrians, Aztecs, Mayans, Hindus, and Tibetans all left written
records claiming they were contacted by ancient astronauts who taught
them the basics of civilization, but not technology that could be
used against the E.T.s. Modern historians do not tell us that because
they believe the ancients were not telling the truth...with no documented
evidence to PROVE the ancients made-up the histories. There is a
lot more evidence the ancients were telling the truth, based on the
astronomical knowledge no primitive cultures could has possibly attained,
artifacts and ruins only a modern technology could create, and the
sudden appearance of the Egyptian civilization at its cultural peak
with no prior history of evolving. There is a lot of documented proof
(SEE MY VOLUME HISTORY OF THE GOLDEN AGES."
Many scientists in 1990, as well as thorough archeologists-explorers
like Robbert Charroux, Eugenes Savoy, Warren Smith, Peter Colosimo,
Dr. George Hunt Williamson, and many others in my files from the
last few decades, say they've absolute scientific proof of ancient
astronauts based on ancient writings, ruins, artifacts, and historical
contradictions they have analyzed in painstaking investigations.
I have also talked to Farida Iskiovet of the United Nations U.F.O.
investigation and 8 former army, navy or air force intelligence officers
who had top secret security clearances, as well as former N.A.S.A
officials, and our department interviewed some ex C.I.A. agents...who
all say they know there were ancient astronauts influencing earlier
cultures..and here is the bombshell...there is scientific proof of
ancient nuclear warfare on Earth left by radiated ruins and skeletons,
nuclear bomb craters on Earth from ancient times, and buildings and
objects with that nuked look, as well as carbon-dating and radiation
tests on these things. Is that tied into the nuclear bomb appearing
Moon Craters? And if ancient astronauts could get to Earth from other
solar systems, it would be easier for them to get to our Moon because
its thin atmosphere and absence of violent weather would make it
much easier for construction and mining...not to mention its absence
of large empires of hostile locals!
We have accumulated massive research indicating our Moon was colonized
and explored by races from other planets, most notably in the Orion
constellation, and that aliens Called ZETANS from Zeta Reticula are
active there today. The Zetans have been analyzed by government psychologists
to be, in ways, similar to Nazi scientists...technologically very
advanced and materialistic, intellectual geniuses, yet lacking the
kind of compassionate emotions and spiritual desires common with
most people in our Earth nations.
To N.A.S.A, the Pentagon, the President and his top aids...that finding
is a bit too scary to put on our six o'clock television news. If
you think people might panic, you must first realize that the military
officers who have been running the C.I.A. and other intelligence
agencies and a Secretary of Defense already HAVE panicked. If they
can do that will all their military power, where do we stand? A chance?
There is also absolute scientific proof that the Zetans have forcibly
abducted thousands of Americans, many who were used in bizarre Nazi-
like genetic experiments. The locals on the Moon, from Regil, Betelguese,
the Bernard Star, and a planet orbiting Sirius, most known as "grays"
but not all(some are blue, Nordic blondes, or orange or even pale
white), are the ALLIANCE OF THE HOLY 6)..their capital planet reportedly
TYRANTOR. They have been involved in a star wars empire intergalactic
war for at least 50,000 years, during which they invaded on conquered
planets in Regil and enslaved many people, the star wars against
the Lyrans and Vegans, and against the Sirians who would not join
the ALLIANCE OF SIX. Some of these star wars were fought on Earth
in ancient times when colonies from different planets fought for
our planet to try to take control. The Pleideans from planet Erra,
humans from a spaceport on Venus, Sethians, Centaurians and beings
from the reported 12th planet in our system were involved in these
battles on Earth and were mostly driven off the planet(except for
remaining secret underground cities and bases all of those civilizations
still have on Earth). The Zetans now have a spaceport on the hidden
dark side of the Moon, and many underground cities there too. They
also have scientific, military, and mining stations on the surface
of the Moon. So Americans and Russians can't just fly up there and
plant their flags and say, "hey, this is ours!"(like they are used
to doing after invading other countries on Earth).
Government agents have been forced to do everything they can theorize
or scam on, to make it look like the Moon is a dead world impossible
to inhabit. What they do not tell you is that ZETANS do not need
an atmosphere like ours to breath because ZETANS do not have lungs.
They do not need to irrigate and grow crops because Zetans have no
digestive systems. They do not need to worry about being too hot
or cold because they have incredibly thick tough skin..like reptiles
only more extreme and much tougher..and are cold-blooded...the sun,
heat, and cold on the Moon do not damage their skin. In fact, they
would DIE IN OUR EARTH ATMOSPHERE without a space suit, like they
did after emerging from those crashed flying saucers...because our
Earth atmosphere is poisonous to Zetans. The atmosphere in one of
their planets, orbiting a dying red star sun, is composed of elements
like sulfur and carbon monoxide...described by some scientists like
the runaway greenhouse effect of out of control pollution Zetans
would like on Earth for themselves. They cannot live on the surface
of Earth without creating genetic sub-human hybrids in laboratories..part
them and part us. So they live in underground cities in the United
States, Soviet Union, Moon, Mars and certain asteroids off Jupiter.
In ancient times a planet between Mars and Jupiter, Maldek, was destroyed
and turned to asteroids by a nuclear war, allegedly from Zetanic
influence. Mercury had a civilization and atmosphere and was destroyed
by nuclear war, reportedly knocking it out of orbit sending it too
close to the sun. MARS also had nuclear wars which reportedly destroyed
its oceans, much of its atmosphere, forests, and farms (which were
further devastated by a passing comet or asteroid). We are fortunate
such star wars did not destroy Earth after they set-off the global
cataclysms that destroyed Atlantis, Lemuria, Rama, and other continents...and
devastated civilizations in ancient Middle Eastern, Asian, and American
Amazonian cultures, etc.(for the scientific evidence read my volume
HISTORY OF THE GOLDEN AGES.
We also have massive documented evidence that the N.A.S.A. SPACE
PROGRAM is a public front and proof it is a public "disinformation
agency", and we have files of false contradictory statements it has
made about the atmospheres of Venus, Mars, the Moon, etc.
razno.316petronio,
(2/2)
There is another TOP SECRET military space program that is the REAL
THING.
THE SECRET SPACE PROGRAM It is known to some as Alternative 3. it
is not designed to serve the public. It is designed to RESCUE the
elite of the President and his inner circle, the Joint Chiefs of
Staff running the military, key corporate executives playing the
secret game, key top scientists in on the scam, certain favored political
leaders, directors of the secret intelligence agencies, and key members
of secretive organizations with names like illuminati, Council on
Foreign Relations, Jason Scholars(a top think tank), MJ-12 or MAJORITY,
Round Table, Bilderbergers, Tri-lateral Commission, and other "insiders"
from that a "THINK TANK" of top scientists from many fields, concluded
in the 1950s to 1960s, was an unavoidable series of world catclysms
that would destroy most of humanity by the year 2,000. Included in
this scenario was the great threat of nuclear war, runaway greenhouse
effect, out-of-control pollution and over-population(running out
of necessary natural resources), and cataclysmic earthquakes and
tidal waves caused by the periodic historical proven shifts of the
Earth's axis, as well as a comet projected to come too close to Earth.
The first two alternatives involved using scientific technology and
world negotiations with leaders to stop those disasters, but the
experts believed that would be hopeless; as well as going underground
on Earth which was also considered a bad idea. Alternative 3 was
to develop a top secret insiders space program with Majority(MJ-12)
as a secret interplanetary state department in the Pentagon, and
secretly build underground spaceports to live in on Mars and the
Moon and surface domed manufacturing, mining, communications, and
other centers. The ALTERNATIVE 3 astronauts landed on the Moon and
built their own bases many years BEFORE the FIRST APOLLO ASTRONAUTS
landed on the Moon in 1969, as the result of a secret treaty between
the pentagon and the Zetans. The Zetans helped the Department of
Majority colonize the Moon with secret bases, and in exchange the
Pentagon's Majority Department helped the ZETANS colonize the United
States with their own secret underground bases. The Pentagon decided
that co-operating with the ZETANS was a better idea than being invaded!
The Zetans showed the pentagon scientists how to Construct nuclear
and mercury powered saucers, as well as space shuttles, rockets,
and other N.A.S.A. technology that was inferior to the anti-gravity
magnetic powered saucers of the Zetans and thus at a military disadvantage.
Of course, our Presidents did not want to go on the six o'clock news
to talk about how they made a top secret treaty with a violent conquering
foreign planet that in the past nuked the Earth people! Not a bad
reason for a big secret.
The Pentagon's secret saucers were also aided by captured NAZI rocket
scientists who were testing saucers they got from the ZETANS instructors
in 1944, when the Zetans had the NAZIS do their genetic experiments
for them...much easier than abductions. The primitive saucers, rockets,
and shuttles of the pentagon insiders, often mistaken for REAL U.F.O.S,
made it to the Moon and Mars. In May 1962, a secret spacecraft from
the Pentagon landed on Mars and video-taped it, and I have seen the
actual video. It shows a Martian landscape far different than what
N.A.S.A. showed us! Mars had canals, lakes, green vegetation, swamps,
and animal life on the surface, but N.A.S.A. the dis-information
agency wants you to believe it is a dead world so you will not expect
E.T.S live there! They have never shown the public most of the 2,
000 photos they promised us with VIKING I.
When the first Apollo astronauts landed on our Moon in 1969, they
were shocked to find it already inhabited. Thousands of Americans,
Soviets, British, French, and Australians were ALREADY LIVING THERE!
Astronauts who discovered too much truth and were considered security
risks died in those famous accidents in the shuttle or on the launch
pad, etc.
Have you ever wondered why the HUBBLE, the most expensive and expertise
telescope ever invented, was flawed so it would not take the kinds
of photos it should produce? Do you really believe all those technological
experts from prestigious universities with billions of dollars at
their disposal could make such embarrassing idiot mistakes. Please,
do not be so naive, if you so do. This was a planned accident because
that telescope was too good. It would photograph things on the Moon
and Mars and in orbit that the public astronomers are not supposed
to see!
The footage of the American spacecraft landing on Mars BEFORE Apollo
landed on the Moon leaked out in major public British TV for one
evening, thanks to a smuggling scientist, before it was Censored
and never made it to America. British authorities tried to call it
a hoax to cover-up the leak, but it was no hoax. The only astronaut
who has ever died outside of duty said it was the truth on video,
and he was silenced. We have seen that interview too, as well as
a secret video stewing the scientist who leaked that video being
assassinated. A book exposing ALTERNATIVE 3 appeared in 1976 and
was quickly forced out of print. I have read it. You can't even order
it, and the printers will not issue a new release in spite of a huge
demand! Very strange to turn down that big profit. Not really.
On public FRANCE INTER TV on August 3rd, 1962, at 8:00 A.M., and
also in the weekly magazine Le Meilleur, was another leaked that
was covered up fast. Alain Ayache reported "why has no one Spoken
of the mysterious message heard on the Moon---20 untranslatable words?
Perhaps it proves that other men exist, something that N.A.S.A wished
to hide...words which really sow the Seeds of panic. Everything was
going well that day on our Moon, then at 11:15 an extraordinary fading
occurred and contact with Houston was lost. Worden, who was in charge
of telecommunications, had his attention drawn by a breathing sound
and a long whistle. A sentence was constantly repeated on one note.,
Varying from a small to a shrill tone, and from lightly stressed
sounds to raucous exclamations. Luckily the transmission was recorded
on Lem's tape recorder, and Worden transmitted it to N.A.S.A. Here
are the 8 separate words .......
"MARA RABBI ALLARDI DINI ENDAVOUR ESA COUNS ALIM."
Why did the Berlin Wall Come down so suddenly and unexpectedly with
the cold war ending and enemies becoming friends? Did President Reagan
give a clue at his speech at the 42nd session of the General General
Assembly of the United Nations, on September 21, 1987, saying "in
our obsessions with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget much
unites the members of all humanity. Perhaps we need some OUTSIDE
universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally
think that how quickly our differences world-wide would vanish if
we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet I
ask, "IS NOT AN ALIEN FORCE ALREADY AMONG US?"
In Reagan's speech on December 4, 1985, he stated "if suddenly there
was a threat to this world from Some other species from another planet,
we'd forget all the little local differences that we have between
our countries." Soviet President Gorbachev publicly stated "At
our meeting in Geneva, the U.S. President said that if the Earth
faced an invasion by extraterrestrials, the U.S. and Soviet Union
would join forces to repel the invasion." (Feb. 6. 1987 in Soviet
Life)
I ABSOLUTELY EMPHASIZE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR OF THE ZETAN
INVASION, AS THE UNITED CONFEDERATION OF PLANETS(the friendly aliens
plans to remove all of them from Earth in 1993! More details in
another one of my documents, tapes, and lectures.
THIS IS NOT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Use common sense, wisdom, discretion
in spreading this information, while avoiding skeptics, paranoid
types, religious fanatics, and the emotionally unstable.
CIVILIZATIONS ON MARS
In 1959 a Martian flying disc spacecraft reportedly landed in the
wilderness outside of Moscow, in the Soviet Union, where a secret
meeting with Soviet Premier Nakita Kruschev was arranged. The conference
regarded improving relations with Earth, exchanging knowledge, and
securing world and interplanetary peace, yet the Soviet government
rejected the terms. This report originated from Sgt. Willard Wannall,
formerly of Army Intelligence, who investigated U.F.O.s in Hawaii
while in the military in the 1950s, and met with us while we were
in the Department of Interplanetary Affairs research agency in the
1970s.
On April 24, 1964, an oval shaped metallic flying object landed in
a farm field in Newark Valley in New York State, and two alien beings
emerged from the estimated 20 foot long craft. Farmer, Gary Wilcox
drove his tractor toward the object clearly visible on a bright sunny
day. The farmer kicked the metallic object to make sure it was real.
The two occupants were about 4 feet high, and they carried a square
tray full of the different vegetables they had collected from his
farm. Wilcox reported that when he confronted the beings stealing
his crops, they said "don't be alarmed, we have spoken to people
before." Gary described the voices as being very strange. They wore
white, metallic-looking overalls without seams, stitching or pockets.
He could not see their hands or feet. He could not see their other
features beneath the full space-suits, which we speculated were protecting
these aliens from the Earth's atmosphere deadly to their race. As
Wilcox became inquisitive, one of them stated, "We are from what
you know as the planet Mars. We can only come to Earth every two
years," and left a warning that Earth people should stay out of space.
They said that they were studying the organic materials on Earth
because of the rocky structure of Mars, and that they did not fly
near our cities because they avoided the air pollution. The beings
told Wilcox everything in monotone. He asked if he could go with
them and they rejected.
Wilcox gave the beings a bag of fertilizer and exchanged information
about it and other subjects, before they entered the craft and took
off. Wilcox was investigated by a psychiatrist and the sheriff department,
who found him a normal, truthful person with no emotional problems,
and they confessed they believed his UFO experience was real.
In February 1972, United Nations diplomat Farida Iskiovet, who investigated
UFOs and occupant contacts for the President of the General Assembly,
told me and my department agents that she had been contacted by a
landed spacecraft from the planet Mars. The reported contact took
place in the Mojave Desert, in California, in 1971, and made the
"front page" of the major Arizona newspaper the daily Arizona Republic.
This story also made the front page of the San Clemente Sun-Post
in an article written by Fred Swegles, who covered President Nixon
and his staff at the Western Whitehouse. Farida stated that the alien
offered to admit an ambassador to their interplanetary confederation
in this solar system, in exchange for an alien ambassador to the
General Assembly of the United Nations, in an attempt to re-establish
diplomatic relations with Earth and other planets that had been suspended
in ancient times due to hostility on Earth. However, the terms of
this peace arrangement were not acceptable to the Security Council,
and the exchange was rejected in a secret meeting. Adam Malik, President
of the United Nations, was in favor of the treaty and exchange and
he was in contact with us on this matter. Iskiovet and Malik were
frustrated with U.N. attempts to block this exchange, so they came
to us to help try to establish a civilian council to handle affairs
between the people on Earth and the Interplanetary Confederation
in this solar system.
The corporations and military-government interests that finance and
control the U.N. did not accept the alien insistence on destroying
all weapons, ending all wars, and eliminating all polluting fuels,
which are all the biggest bank accounts in the world.
The most famous astronomers of the early twentieth century, including
the great Percival Lovell, stated there were signs of intelligent
life on Mars. They reported huge areas of green vegetation that expanded
and contracted with the melting of the ice caps and the 4 seasons
on Mars. In the 1950s, teachers in public schools in America taught
students that the temperature at the Martian equator was about 80
degrees.
The man credited with inventing the radio, Marconi, published data
that he believed he had received intelligent radio signals from Mars.
For three decades, several astronomers in different parts of the
world reported seeing flashing and moving lights on the surface of
Mars, some huge explosions, and other strange unnatural phenomenon.
In 1927, the U.S. government carried out a public experiment designed
to try to detect intelligent life on Mars, by sending radio transmissions
toward that planet and waiting for an answer. A series of dots and
dashes, in Morse code was revealed on a machine, reportedly originating
from the direction of Mars, and drawing a human face on a piece of
receiving paper in dots and dashes! This drawing in Morse code was
displayed in the Bureau of Standards in Washington D.C,
In 1976 the famous Viking probe was sent to Mars by NASA, and out
of over 2,000 photos reportedly taken of that planet, only a small
fraction were shown to the public. Since most of those photos were
not released to the news-media, were they trying to hide something?
One photo that was published by the U.S. daily newspapers over a
decade later, shows what many researchers believe to be pyramids
and a huge face carved into the surface of Mars. We have studied
other Mars photos showing what appears to be an ancient ruined city,
roads, rectangular buildings, and walls. Skeptics say that shadows
may make natural objects appear like a man-made structure, yet all
the photos taken from different angles of the sun and the cameras
show the exact same objects the same way, ruling out the shadow theory.
The proof that the NASA space program covers up the truth about Mars
is all tile serious contradictions in their public data. NASA told
the public that the Martian atmosphere is less than one percent of
that of Earth. Then how could their 50 foot parachute on the rocket
they landed on Mars even slow it down? Scientists calculated NASA
would need a parachute over a mile wide to slow down the Viking probe
in a one percent atmosphere! Their 50 foot parachute would crash
like a rock!
Furthermore, if the Martian atmosphere is only one percent of Earth's,
how can sand dunes similar to our deserts in Arizona be photographed.
Impossible! It would take 200 mile-per-hour winds on a planet with
air said to be so thin that no winds over 40 miles-per-hour had ever
been recorded, and the warm rising air to cause those winds did not
even exist on that part of Mars(according to other NASA data). NASA
also claimed that the temperatures around the Martian polar areas
was a minus 90 to 120 degrees, in a region where another NASA statement
said the polar ice melts. How can ice melt at minus 90 to 120 degrees
below zero? It melts at 32 degrees above zero.
How can NASA land a probe on Mars that shoots out a flame that burns
the soil below it at thousands of degrees with deadly chemicals,
then a shovel scoops up that SAME fried poisoned soil and reports
"there is no life in it." What life on Earth could survive in soil
blasted at thousands of degrees by poisonous chemicals ? All the
loose topsoil of any potential biological value was blown away by
the rocket landing.
Fred Steckling, who has some thorough research on Mars, stated that
"their true findings and most pictures are classified material which
to this day have not been shown. He added that we were told Mars
is about half the size of Earth, with a surface gravity of about
40 percent and that the atmospheric pressure is about 7.7. millibars
compared to 1,000 on Earth. We are also told that the Martian temperature
ranged from minus 22 below zero(F) to minus 122 degrees. One Viking
probe landed about a thousand miles closer to their equator than
the other one, yet contradicted logic by reporting the temperature
at the equatorial region was colder than up north. He added, "the
amazed scientists discovered a 100 percent mistake during atmospheric
measurements. The argon content of the Martian atmosphere was not
30 percent, but only 3 percent. A mistake of the same magnitude was
admitted when a much higher water vapor reading was received than
thought possible from earth measurements."
Dr. George Sands, of Mission Control, stated "IT IS OBVIOUSLY WETTER
THAN WE ANTICIPATED. THERE IS GROUND FOG AT THE LANDING SITE DURING
PART OF THE DAY. Thirty microns of water have been found in the atmosphere,
enough to not only cause ground fog, but ALSO FROST AND SNOW!"
NASA data, to a meteorologist, problematically proves Mars is much
warmer than official reports stated. Ground fog is made by warm moist
air moving across cool land or water, and ground fog is a product
of temperatures ABOVE 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
Water-based clouds like on Earth have been photographed about 15,
000 feet over Mars, and such clouds and fog cannot exist in an atmospheric
pressure of only 7.7 millibars. Evidence indicates that 32 degrees
above zero must exist up to at least 15,000 feet on Mars, which is
higher than Haleakala Crater in Hawaii. We all know we can live as
we walk through Haleakala. Minus 122 degree temperatures can exist
in certain parts of Mars, just like minus127 degrees has been recorded
on Earth.
There are also thousands of American scientists, engineers, medical
personal, and other specialists secretly living in Martian underground
bases and cities, who have either been abducted by UFOs and taken
there, or are part of a top secret exchange program with the Pentagon's
MJ-12 agency called ALTERNATIVE THREE. The Pentagon has been secretly
trading livestock, minerals, and a labor force to these Zetans on
Mars, for a couple of decades at least, for technology that was developed
into the Star Wars defense system, lasers, superior metals, computers,
medical advancements, etc. Read our report on aliens on Maui for
the details.
Martians also live on Earth underground at secret cities and bases,
like the one below the Maldive Islands in the Indian Ocean established
by Baavians.
Most Martians are 3 to 4 feet tall, yet not all of them are the same
size or race.
The underground civilization has no pollution, disease, crime, poverty,
political corruption, malnutrition, or warfare, and few of the problems
associated with Earth civilization.
It has been described as a technological, intellectual, scientific,
computerized paradise, where emotions such as pleasure, sexual ecstasy,
and individuality have been eliminated among the locals. Following
leaders called Knowers is the norm. Cloning is the main form of reproduction.
However, there is also a spiritual civilization on Mars that is so
far advanced that the other civilizations cannot interfere with it.
The spiritual civilization has very little involvement with Earth
and avoids its internal affairs. This civilization is on a higher
4th dimensional frequency than the other 3D nations on Mars.
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN magazine stated, "the Martian environment is
by no means so hostile as to exclude LIFE."
The sand dunes on Mars photographed by the Orbitter have the SAME
height and dune to dune spacing as sand dunes on Earth in Colorado.
That is impossible in an atmosphere one percent of Earth's. Viking
2 revealed the Martian polar caps are frozen water, that snows often,
and the atmosphere above the polar areas is saturated with water
vapor. NASA stated the North Pole on Mars is now going through its
summer, so the ice cap is about as small as it ever gets. How can
ice in these below zero temperatures melt like they said it does?
Dr. Martin, who was with Pasadena Viking Control, said the biology
instrument on Mars have received positive signs of life in spite
of the amazing fact it was at such a blow-torched landing site! "Analysis
of the Martian environment has so far shown that there is carbon,
nitrogen, oxygen, and sufficient amounts of water vapor.
ARE NOT THESE THE BASIC INGREDIENTS FOR LIFE. If we would have placed
our Viking landers in our Pasadena parking lot and received the SAME
chemical and biological readings were, received from Mars, WE WOULD
HAVE CALLED IT A DEFINITE SIGN OF LIFE." He gave that report at the
International Academy of Astronautics.
Scientists admit that if all the water trapped below the surface
of Mars was released to the surface, it would form an ocean a mile
deep covering the entire planet!
Dr. Daniel J. Milton reported that "we have photographed the Martian
mystery channels(canals). They resemble huge flood channels some
24 miles wide and several hundred miles long, shaped by sudden discharges
of water that dwarf the flow of the Amazon River." Dr. Milton is
a geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, commenting in Science
Newsfront.
An international AP release stated that photos of Mars' northern
regions reveal mysterious patterns, resembling contour PLOWING on
the planet's red surface. Striped patterns that resemble an aerial
photograph of a farmers field after plowing have been studied with
no natural explanation. The stripes are too regular to be natural.
In research published by the French archeologist and historian Robbert
Charreux, which we have been unable to even order in book stores
in the United States(why is it suppressed?), Mars was colonized by
extraterrestrials from the Proxima Centauri solar system about 15,
000 years ago. These were tall aliens from a planet about half the
size of Earth called Baavi. These expeditions found Mars similar
in size to Baavi, with similar atmospheric characteristics. Mars
has many canyons and at the bottoms are shrubby trees not more than
ten feet high, standing on both sides of small narrow streams. On
the banks of these streams is a type of moss which stores infrared
heat rays from the sun during the day, and then gradually releases
that heat at night. As a result, when the night temperature on the
red Martian plains dips to sixty to one hundred degrees below zero,
near the moss at the canyon floors it may be 40 to 50 degrees above
zero. The oxygen of the air is largely fixed by the ground under
the atmospheric pressure that is really about a tenth of the surface
of Earth(at sea level), so there can be a 40 degree difference between
air and ground. The bottoms of such canyons have released enough
oxygen to support a small humanoid monad Martian with robust vitality.(Even
NASA admits huge quantities of oxygen and water are trapped below
the Martian ground).
The report added that the mammals on Mars are rodents with thick
white fur, comparable to large hares, that feed on roots, larvae,
and the eggs of big lizards that live among the low rocks of the
canyon walls. In deep hollows, water forms marshes in which crustaceans
proliferate. About 12,000 years ago life-sustaining conditions on
Mars deteriorated to the point where it became urgent to evacuate
most of the inhabitants, who migrated to Earth and landed high in
the mountains of Tibet, where the air is thin with little oxygen
like it is on Mars.
However, before the exodus the Baavians had hybrid genetic cross-
breeding with the short native Martians with the somewhat Oriental
features.
This inter-racial mixing took place over many generations over 3,
000 years, producing a humanoid hybrid. However, many of the residents
of Mars flew to the Moon and Earth (where many primitive ancients
mistook them for gods).
Mars once had large oceans, abundant atmosphere, and vegetation according
to official NASA research. They just try to cover it up today.
We have much detail on the Baavian civilization on their home planet,
in our other publications. The Martians who landed on Earth about
11 to 12 thousand years ago, over hundreds of generations, slowly
adopted to lower elevations and Earth's climate as they gradually
migrated to the lowlands over the centuries to seed the Asian races.
Other research states that Mars was involved in nuclear wars when
the Orion Empire invaded our solar system in ancient times, devastating
the forests, oceans, rivers, and atmosphere on both Mars and Mercury
..... and causing the destruction of the ancient prehistoric Atlantean
Empire on Earth. The nuclear devastation in Atlantean times was so
great very little trace remains today of that culture. Other reports
indicate Mars was also devastated by a catastrophic approach of a
comet in ancient times, indicating more than one great cataclysm
on Mars (we have scientific evidence of 5 great world cataclysms
on Earth in ancient times). Many Martians chose to colonize the safe
inside of their planet deep underground, rather than to flee to Earth.
Today an entire civilization of artificial dome-shaped protected
underground cities, air-conditioned with controlled climate and connected
by tunnels and subways...exist all around Mars. These self-sufficient
underground communities grow their own food in artificial food facilities
created by their superior technology, mine the interior of the planet,
and manufacture space-craft.
Mars is reportedly no longer involved in colonizing the Earth or
trying to substantially interfere in our affairs like they did in
ancient times. There are also different races living on Mars. These
races originate from other solar systems, and are not at the same
level of spiritual, technical, or intellectual evolution, disagreeing
on interplanetary affairs. One race active on Mars is reportedly
from Zeta Reticula, a small humanoid grey race with large heads,
long slender arms, and no lungs(they do not need an atmosphere to
breath), and no digestive system as we know the Zetans are biologically
somewhat like insects, with thick tough skin adaptable withstanding
a harsher atmosphere like on the surface of Mars. There are also
androids and robots living on the .Martian surface!
The Sirian Interplanetary Empire reportedly claimed Mars before it
claimed Earth in Atlantean times, and the ancients called the Sirian
constellation the Phoenix Constellation...the Phoenician Empire in
ancient Persia worshipped SIr.
The Phoenician Empire in ancient Persia worshipped Sirius, and the
Phoenix Project of the Secret Government(Illuminati) using technology
Tesla, Einstein, Parsons, and Von Neumann was named after the Sirian
solar system and constellation. Its former directors now trying to
expose its secrets claimed that the Sirians gave them their technology
of mind-control, time-travel, invisibility, etc.
Our chronology indicates that at one time the Sirians controlled
Mars, the Pleiadeans controlled Venus, the Orion League controlled
the Moon, and the Vegan Lyrans controlled the Earth ..... while galactic
war devastated Lemuria, Atlantis, and other ancient Earth empires
as these races fought for control of the Earth's natural resources,
people, and rulers.
The Sirians evacuated Mars when its atmosphere and surface was devastated
by nuclear war and a comet, while the Alcyone Pleiadeans evacuated
Venus in the same conflicts Venus Whov.
Whatever race lived on Mercury also had to leave its material plane,
yet we have yet to discover specifically who lived there before it
was hocked out of orbit and spun closer to the sun in a nuclear cataclysm.
Of course, Maldek was blown apart into asteroids in these cataclysms.
This scenario is allegedly the reason why the Galactic Confederation,
the Solar Police Force, the Ashtar Command, and even the Orion League(Star
Wars Evil Empire) will not allow a major nuclear war on Earth anymore.
Such a cataclysm would destroy the Orion colony on the Moon(Luna)
and the Sirian colony today on Mars. The Illuminati and its 4th
Reich(New Berlin Nazis), Asian Communism, and Western nuclear powers
do not want such a war for the same reasons. It took too long to
recover last times
The Clementine probe that took over a million detailed photos of
the Moon in the 1990s took a lot of detailed photos of domes and
ruins and artifacts on the Lunar surface that are not available to
the public. I have been in close association with Richard Hoagland
and his Mars Mission.
Hoagland is the famous scientists who wrote the Monuments of Mars
and publicly exposed the Pace, pyramids, and other Martian and Lunar
ruins on CNN, major newspapers, and national and international magazines.
He came to Maui in 1994 when I was only able to say Hi and shake
hands. Later I became affiliated with his Mars Mission to expose
this huge news. We witnessed color photos of the shattered domes
and other artifacts on the Moon blown up to movie theater screen
size at the Castle Theater on Maui. They were shocking evidence of
some incredible ancient Lunar cataclysms.
Hoagland also sent details of suppressed photos taken by Clementine
that further confirm this evidence and a lot more. It also turned
out that NASA had been releasing several-generation copies of the
key photos instead of the clearest archive originals, and in the
archives same key photos were missing completely! Hoagland had demanded
access to the NASA archives and was given a lot of run-around until
certain NASA researchers sided with him and showed him some hidden
evidence.
We suggest to you...go to a video store and rent out Arnold's classic
movie Total Recall. This is a mostly TRUE MOVIE about secret Pentagon/
Soviet/ Illuminati activities on Mars. A lot of truth is leaking
out as so-called fagromented fiction.
Some researchers now think the 39,000 year old Egyptian Sphinx was
a Sirian/Martian GODDESS whose breasts were sheered off by invading
Christians who condemned goddess worship and defaced the hair and
face destroying its feminine features. This information comes from
the Phoenix Project scientists and technicians.
Alesteir Crowley and his Magic secret societies are allegedly the
legacy of Martian Secret Science and Sirian psychic and inter dimensional
genetics. There are apparently some thriving underground cities on
both the Mars and the Luna where intergalactic colonists and their
associates shuttled up from the Phoenix Project, Delta Forces', Pentagon
lunar-circles, New Berlin(underground in Antarctica), and Illuminati
plan their future survival during prophesized Earth cataclysms.
razno.317morkin,
-> #313, supers> Čovek ima dobre izglede da nadmaši uspeh Šećeroskog. Treba vam samo
> 1000 potpisa i možete biti predsednik Srbije.
Reče mi neko da je bio na TV-u.
Svojevremeno je rado igrao Civilizaciju i Setlerse. :)
razno.318space.ace,
-> #315, petronioNe mogu da verujem u ovo... Liči mi na jednu od "onih" emisija o UFO-ima
što idu na BK... Bajke. eto šta su...
> Suspicion or interest in life on the Moon grabbed public attention
> when the inventor of the radio(so credited) Marconi Tesla publicly
> reported his experiments in transmitting radio signals to the Moon
Nisam znao da se Markoni prezivao Tesla, ili da se Tesla zvao Markoni.
Ne ide mi u glavu da nisu mogli da se odluče o kome se radi, pa su dva
čoveka zamenili jednim.
> Have any of you ever wondered why there have been NO ASTRONAUTS SENT
> TO THE MOON SINCE 1973!? Why was the Moon program suddenly ended
> after so much publicized great success? What sense does that make?
Nisu ih slali, jer se izgubilo interesovanje za Mesec, jer Rusija nije
htela da učestvuje u tome. Prekinuli su i zbog serija neuspeha, koji
su mnogo koštali.
> constellation, and that aliens Called ZETANS from Zeta Reticula are
> active there today. The Zetans have been analyzed by government
> psychologists
Pitam se što se svi alien-i zovu na slovo "Z", kao i svi loši momci sa
drugih planeta u trećerazrednim SF filmovima. :)
> white), are the ALLIANCE OF THE HOLY 6)..their capital planet reportedly
> TYRANTOR. They have been involved in a star wars empire intergalactic
> war for at least 50,000 years, during which they invaded on conquered
> planets in Regil and enslaved many people, the star wars against
Ovo je vrhunac gluposti ovih autora... Da to nisu isti oni što su provalili
da je Mesec šupalj i da je u stvari ogroman svemirski brod?
Onaj ko je ovo napisao ima veeoooma bujnu maštu!
razno.319petronio,
-> #318, space.ace+| Ne mogu da verujem u ovo... Liči mi na jednu od "onih" emisija o UFO-ima
+| što idu na BK... Bajke. eto šta su...
Koje su to emisije o UFO-ima na BK?
Nijednu do sada nisam video.
+| Onaj ko je ovo napisao ima veeoooma bujnu maštu!
Da si samo malo više upućen u tematiku ne bi ovako mislio.
Mi smo veoma mala i zabačena sredina gde ovakve stvari nisu
interesantne (mada poprimaju sve više interesovanja), u takvim
okolnostima si ograničen na mali broj informacija i sve što znaš
o recimo mesecu je ono sto NASA želi da znaš. Drugačije ne može biti.
E sad, ja bih mogao zaista duboko i naširoko da ulazim u celu tu priču
ali trenutno nemam vremena. Reći ću ti samo da nije mala stvar da
astronauti kao i bivši direktor NASA-e pričaju takve stvari na
konferencijama za štampu, da preko 90% odraslih Amerikanaca (CNN) veruje
da ih njihova vlada laže po pitanju vanzemaljaca, da NASA koju plaćaju
Amerikanci, uporno odbija (a obavezna je) da dozvoli direktan prenos
ako ništa drugo ono makar izlaska iz atmosfere nekog šatla.. i dosta
drugih stvari na koje ću se vratiti drugom prilikom..
Do tada, preporučujem dva filma po istinitom dogadjaju..
Znam gde ih ima sigurno, MORO video klub, Klare Cetkin 7, 673-541
- Roswell (Kyle MacLachlan, Martin Sheen)
- Fire in the sky
Internet je prepun sajtova o ovome, za početak :
www.in-search-of.com
www.artbell.com
razno.320petronio,
Pre neki dan su vodeće TV stanice i novine u Americi objavile ono o čemu
su lokalne televizije pričale već 3 meseca.
Ovo 'zakašnjenje' na mailing listi primećuju kao 'pushed button from above',
jer je neverovatno da su sve imale gotovo isti tekst i momenat objavljivanja
koji je 3 meseci kasnije. Kažu i kako od sada fer prenose sve u vezi UFO.
To je kao kad bi mi rekli da se RTS otvorio.. ;)
Mada, sudeći po linkovima na dnu html-a sudim da je moglo to i bolje.. ;)
Njihovo mišljenje je da će se klupko ubrzo odmotati..
Snimak uz poruku je fenomenalan, najbolji koji sam video.. ;)
www.cnn.com/us/9706/19/ufo.lights/index.html
What were those lights in the Phoenix sky?
Researchers still sorting out hundreds [video]
of witness accounts
June 19, 1997
Web posted at: 11:58 a.m. EDT (1558 GMT)
PHOENIX (CNN) -- When it appeared in the Arizona
sky on the night of March 13, it was witnessed by
hundreds of people. Neither researchers nor
witnesses have yet figured out what Arizonans saw
in the event now dubbed "the Phoenix Lights." But
that hasn't stopped them from trying to puzzle it
out.
Tim Ley and his family are among the hundreds of
witnesses who have come forward to talk about the
Phoenix Lights. They first saw the lights while
looking north from their Phoenix home.
--------------------
A L S O
Report on Roswell 'UFO crash' due soon
--------------------
Now, their
Amateur video of lights recollections of what
in the sky they saw have been
[movie icon] 1.3M/24 transformed into
sec. small computer images, using
frame a combination of
[movie icon] QuickTime digital photos of the
movie landscape taken by Ley
and computer drawings
1.8M/20 of the objects his
sec. large family saw in the sky.
frame
QuickTime "When it finally got
movie here and we realized
this thing was coming
right over us, we really started getting antsy,"
Ley said. Then, said he and his son Hal, it went
directly overhead in complete silence. [icon]
(53K/5 sec. AIFF or WAV sound)
Tim Ley said that when the right side of what
appeared to be a giant V-shaped craft passed
directly over him, the left side was a couple of
blocks away.
--------------------
See the evidence, and the reconstruction
of the incident, in the VXtreme of this
KSAZ story.
[VXtreme logo] VXtreme Streaming
Video
--------------------
His wife, Bobbi, who also saw the aerial light
show, said the size of the craft they saw was
overwhelming. But, she said, "It didn't seem
threatening. ... When it was right overhead and we
couldn't hear a sound, it was like you're just
awestruck."
[computer] Jim Dilettoso of Village Labs, who
has been researching UFOs for 20
years, is in the process of reconstructing the
incident with a virtual reality model.
The Leys are among the hundreds of witnesses he
interviewed about the Phoenix Lights. He said he
considers the family to be "very reliable," and
their data "very important," because by their
account they were so close to the craft.
While nobody knows for sure what the Leys and
hundreds of others saw, Tim Ley is sure his family
will never forget that night. He said it has
changed his outlook on the UFO movement, turning
him from a "polite skeptic" to someone quite open
to the experiences of UFO believers. [icon]
(133K/12 sec. AIFF or WAV sound)
"We just re-experience it every time we tell it,"
said his wife. "It's like it was just yesterday.
We've never seen anything like it."
Reporter John Hook of CNN affiliate KSAZ in
Phoenix contributed to this report.
[rule]
[CNN Plus]
* Message Board: Roswell 'UFO crash' report
* CNN In-Depth - Space
Related stories:
* Report on Roswell 'UFO crash' due soon - June
18, 1997
* Interview with Elaine Douglas, UFO believer -
June 15, 1997
* Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens - June
15, 1997
* Don't believe in aliens? Visit San
Francisco's UFO 'Museum' - April 19, 1997
* CNN - Event: Ozarks UFO Conference - Apr. 11,
1997
* Associate of group member says deaths linked
to UFO, Hale-Bopp - March 27, 1997
Related sites:
* SETI Institute - Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence
* What is the U.S. government doing to
investigate UFOs? - from NASA's questions and
answers page
* Global UFO Network
* ParaScope: Something Strange Is Happening
(See UFO section)
* Air Force Link - Official web site of the
United States Air Force
o (Feature) The Roswell Report: Sightings
a 'hoax'
o Unidentified Flying Objects and Air
Force Project Blue Book
* The International UFO Museum & Research
Center - information regarding the Roswell
Incident of 1947, and related information
concerning UFO and Extraterrestrial phenomena
o Encounter '97: The 50th Anniversary of
the Roswell Encounter
* Alien, UFO's, Roswell - links, pictures and
information about Roswell, New Mexico
* Roswell Homepage - movement to get government
to open its files on Roswell
* The Roswell Incident- links and archives
about Roswell and it's famed crash
phoenix.movrazno.321space.ace,
-> #319, petronio> Koje su to emisije o UFO-ima na BK?
> Nijednu do sada nisam video.
Možda nemaš BK? Šalim se, išla je jedna emisija o NLO-ima i Nacistima,
i još jedan serial samo o NLO pojavama. Ima ih takođe i na Politici...
> Da si samo malo više upućen u tematiku ne bi ovako mislio.
Upućen sam ja u to i više nego dovoljno, jer me NLo-i veoma interesuju,
i imam baš dosta podataka o tome. Znam i za Roswell, i sve o tome, mada
mi je i tu nešto mutno.
Međutim, da si pregledao moju poruku još jednom, primetio bi zbog kojih
podataka sam ja "digao frku". Pregledaj još jednom, pa da nastavimo
diskusiju.
razno.322nenad,
-> #320, petronio> Snimak uz poruku je fenomenalan, najbolji koji sam video.. ;)
>
> www.cnn.com/us/9706/19/ufo.lights/index.html
>
> What were those lights in the Phoenix sky?
Sve je ovo vrlo interesantno, ali nije li pravo mesto za ove
stvari EXTRA:misterije?
razno.323mmilosh,
-> #319, petronio> Do tada, preporučujem dva filma po istinitom dogadjaju..
> Znam gde ih ima sigurno, MORO video klub, Klare Cetkin 7,
> 673-541
>
> - Roswell (Kyle MacLachlan, Martin Sheen)
> - Fire in the sky
I Pandora Directive pod obavezno.
razno.324petronio,
-> #321, space.ace+| Možda nemaš BK? Šalim se, išla je jedna emisija o NLO-ima i Nacistima,
+| i još jedan serial samo o NLO pojavama. Ima ih takođe i na Politici...
Jedna emisija.. ne znam, propustio sam..
A ako misliš na Artura Klarka, to je druga priča..
Gledao sam par i sve mi se čini da je namena tih njegovih
epizoda da prikaže kako su sve to same gluposti, doduše, ništa
vezano za UFO nisam video ali verujem da je i tu ista pesma.
Da ja uredjujem neki Tv kanal, imao bih sasvim druge emisije na umu..
+| Upućen sam ja u to i više nego dovoljno, jer me NLo-i veoma interesuju,
+| i imam baš dosta podataka o tome. Znam i za Roswell, i sve o tome, mada
+| mi je i tu nešto mutno.
A šta ti je tu mutno?
Kad smo već kod Roswella i medija, BK je u telefaktu dao prilog
da će Vazduhoplovstvo ovih dana dati treći i konačan izveštaj o incidentu,
nije loše rečeno, što je pohvalno za BK ;)
Na internetu sam video taj izveštaj i neverovatno je smešan.
+| Međutim, da si pregledao moju poruku još jednom, primetio bi zbog kojih
+| podataka sam ja "digao frku". Pregledaj još jednom, pa da nastavimo
+| diskusiju.
Pa nema šta, sve se svodi na to da su u pitanju besmislice..
Al' nema veze..
Recimo, kažeš, kako to da su svi vanzemaljci na Z..
Ja koliko znam, postoji samo jedna rasa na Z za koju se zna,
sa zvezde Zeta Reticuli, dakle ZETANS.
Ili Tesla-Markoni diferencijacije..
Mi ne možemo tako da pogrešimo jer je Tesla sa Balkana (dan danas mi
nije jasno šta je on po nacionalnosti), dok ostali mogu to sebi da
dozvole a pogotovu Ameri, dal' je Tesla izmislio radio ili struju,
mnogo baš opterećuje prosečnog Amera..
razno.325petronio,
-> #322, nenad+| Sve je ovo vrlo interesantno, ali nije li pravo mesto za ove
+| stvari EXTRA:misterije?
Meni to nije misterija..
Čemu zapravo služi FORUM:razno?
Dok ne lupiš par puta po tasterima i otvoriš temu, slaću ovde,
a ako ti se to ne svidja onda preduzimaj mere, da zatvorimo priču.
razno.326nenad,
-> #324, petronio> Gledao sam par i sve mi se čini da je namena tih njegovih
> epizoda da prikaže kako su sve to same gluposti, doduše, ništa
> vezano za UFO nisam video ali verujem da je i tu ista pesma.
Pokazao je jedan snimak navodnog UFO-a, onda su sve sekvence
snimka spojili u jedan kako bi dobili sliku od svetlosnih mrlja i
odsjaja i lepo se video avion...
razno.327nenad,
-> #325, petronio> +| Sve je ovo vrlo interesantno, ali nije li pravo mesto za ove
> +| stvari EXTRA:misterije?
>
> Meni to nije misterija..
Onda podeli sa nama podatke o čemu se tu radi. Ko je to bio na
nebu, sa koje su planete, kako izgledaju, kojim jezikom govore,
koje su boje, šta hoće..?
Imamo puno pitanja, mi kojima je to još uvek misterija. :)
Da se razumemo, ja sam prilično uveren u to da postoji život van
Zemlje, verujem čak i u to da su postojale napredne civilizacije
na Zemlji pre nas.
To ipak ne znači da za svako svetlo koje se pojavi na nebu _znam_
šta je ili ću da mislim da je svemirski brod. Onaj film što si
poslao meni izgleda kao da je neko postavio svetla po luku starog
mosta u Beogradu i snimao. Ništa se tu ne vidi... Zbog toga je to
_ipak_ misterija, bez obzira verovali mi u nešto ili ne.
razno.328petronio,
-> #326, nenad+| Pokazao je jedan snimak navodnog UFO-a, onda su sve sekvence
+| snimka spojili u jedan kako bi dobili sliku od svetlosnih mrlja i
+| odsjaja i lepo se video avion...
Ti si izgleda jedan od onih koji misle da novac ne kvari ljude.. ;)
Zna taj čikica mnogo više nego što ti pretpostavljaš..
Misliš da je veliki problem da CIA izmontira nešto
i da ga preda starom da 'elaboriše'..
Uvek kada se u nekom gradu pojavi vest o vidjenju UFO-a, CIA plati neke
kretene (bukvalne, sirotinju uglavnom) da na televiziji pričaju o tome
kako bi ismejali celu priču.
Povremeno finansiraju i neki film koji radi isti fazon, dakle, poenta
je da se kroz podsmeh na sve te priče stekne utisak da su sve to gluposti.
Upravo je izašao jedan takav pod nazivom 'Ljudi u crnom'.
Pre toga smo imali 'Mars napada'.
Srećom, većina ljudi zna o čemu se radi.
Ipak mislim da si ti isuviše zaljubljen u Odiseju a samim tim i Artura
Klarka, da bi samo na trenutak mogao da posumnjaš u njegove 'lekcije'.
Ne krivim ja tebe, jednostavno nisi dovoljno informisan po tom pitanju
jer ti je druga strana nedostupna, čuješ samo vesti koje NASA plasira..
Otidi na CNN, imaš link u onoj poruci, i pogledaj anketu..
I naravno, pogledaj ona dva filma (Roswell, Fire in the sky) pa da
nastavimo, ovako ne mogu da očekujem od tebe neku konstruktivnu raspravu
kad nisi ni upoznat sa činjenicama.
No, da ostavimo nešto i za sledeću poruku.. ;)
razno.329petronio,
-> #327, nenad+| To ipak ne znači da za svako svetlo koje se pojavi na nebu _znam_
+| šta je ili ću da mislim da je svemirski brod. Onaj film što si
+| poslao meni izgleda kao da je neko postavio svetla po luku starog
+| mosta u Beogradu i snimao. Ništa se tu ne vidi... Zbog toga je to
+| _ipak_ misterija, bez obzira verovali mi u nešto ili ne.
Taj prilog je sa CNN-a, jedini koji sam uspeo da nabavim,
mada ima onih koji su direktno snimili sasvim jasno brod,
sve lokalne televizije su imale različite snimke.
Da se razumemo, činjenice su sledeće..
Pazi, ceo grad je to video.. (Phoenix, Arizona)
Brod je stajao SAT vremena iznad grada, što UFO stručnjaci komentarišu
kao nameran potez USA vlade ili posade tog broda, da bi se videlo kako
će narod reagovati na takvu pojavu..
Ceo grad je tih dana bio poplavljen vojskom, FBI-om, CIA-om i kako kažu
ljudima na čijim je kombinezonima pisalo NASA..
Pogledaj na internetu celu priču sa sve slikama..
Shvati to malo bolje kroz ovu paralelu..
Da se ne zavaravamo.. u Americi nema slobodnih medija..
Sve je to samo malo lepše zapakovano..
Svaka država pa i Amerika ima svoje medije kroz koje plasira
svoje stavove, svaka od tih televizija je obavezno mnogo jača
od drugih po tehnici i finansijama, dakle ti mediji su najdostupniji
narodu koji veruje stavovima ljudi za koje su glasali..
Ako Pentagon, CIA i predsednik USA kažu da nemaju nikakav dokaz da
postoje UFO i bilo kakav oblik inteligencije u svemiru, dakle ljudi
koje su oni izabrali, logično je da bi narod trebao da im veruje.. ?
Pogledaj anketu CNN-a.. (možeš tek da zamisliš ostale)
Have you or anyone you know ever seen a UFO ?
No 74%
Yes, someone I know 17%
Yes, personnaly 8%
Do you think a UFO crash-landed in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 ?
Yes 65%
No 14%
Is the U.S. goverment hiding the fact that it knows about existence
of aliens ?
Yes 80%
No 17%
CNN/Time Pool
Sampling error:+/- 3 percentage points
Kako i kod nas, tako i kod njih ima lokalnih Tv stanica koje nisu pod
direktnim diktatom države. Kao što RTS nije obaveštavala o protestima
i šta sve nije radila godinama kao i režimska štampa koja jedina ima
mrežu za celu teritoriju, tako su i u Americi CNN i ostale velike kompanije
obaveštavale o UFO dogadjanjima, dakle nikako, dok su ostale prenosile.
Medjutim, kažu da se polako otvaraju i da prave specijalne emisije na tu
temu gde dovode eminentne goste i sa druge strane. Ranije su davali
jednostrano, nekog iz vojske ili iz neke vladine organizacije.
A to je krenulo (istovremeno, kod svih tih velikih medijskih kompanija)
sa onim filmom što si pokupio, dakle pričom koja se dogodila 13 marta,
a 19 Juna je prvi put to uopšte pomenuto.
Evo ti današnji mail sa ISO mailing liste (moram da budem informisan
u isto vreme kad i Ameri ;)
It's all preparation.
This and Phoenix are just getting WAY to much major media coverage.
I mean, who would EVER think we'd see CNN covering a live press
conference like they did this one? NBC and ABC covered the Roswell story
both Monday night and yesterday. CBS covered yesterday and to top it
all... "The News Hour' on PBS last nite spent a third of the hour
talking about the possibility of Intelligent Alien Life and the Roswell
legend.
Breaking news this morning. Accident on MIR. A couple hours ago a
unmanned rocket while testing docking procedures rammed one of the 6
modules on the Mir space station.
The module was punctured and pressure lost in it. This module held the
experiments the current US astronaut was working on.
Kind of funny, but I bet you $1,000,000 that this becomes the "big"
science/space story for the next two days and "bumps" the Roswell report
out of the news for the next 2 news cycles. Great fortune for the Air
Force because people in news reports the next 2 days would have been
picking apart that fiasco of a news conference and the report.
By the way, Col Weaver who wrote the 1994 Air Force report said on CNN
last night that this "book" as he called it was actually completed and
done in October 1996 and had "just been sitting on the shelf going thru
government.." red tape or something to the effect of getting approval
and stuff and it was just a "coincidence" it came out a week before the
Roswell Anniversary.
razno.330petronio,
A ako ti nije jasan onaj snimak, pogledaj ovaj.. ;)
1947, Roswell, autopsija vanzemaljca (a? šta kažeš? :)
Snimatelj tog filma je uspeo da iskopira jednu rolnu (od devet) i prošle
godine je prvi put film prikazan u Londonu u jednom malom privatnom
bioskopu, čovek je hteo pred smrt da olakša dušu i objavi svoju priču..
Naravno, skeptika uvek ima, kako profesionalnih (CIA) tako i medju ljudima ;)
U to vreme je jedino Kodak proizvodio filmske rolne, tako da je film poslat
njima na proveru autentičnosti.. i zamisli.. potvrdili je.. ;)
alien.mpgrazno.331mmilosh,
-> #330, petronio> A ako ti nije jasan onaj snimak, pogledaj ovaj.. ;)
> 1947, Roswell, autopsija vanzemaljca (a? šta kažeš? :)
Jedan drugi snimak iste autopsije vanzemaljaca u Roswellu se nalazi i u
interaktinvom filmu/avanturi Pandora Directive! Alien u snimku je malo
drugačiji od onog u filmu što si poslao: ima duži vrat, mršaviji je i
ima upadljivo duže ruke i ŽIV JE! Snimak je duži (oko 2 minuta) i prikazuje
dvojicu u specijalnim odelima u onoj istoj sobi kako vrše autopsiju na
vanzemaljcu koji jedva pomera stopala i glavu, a izgleda da je vezan za sto.
Isto nešto čačkaju oko desne noge i vade neke "organe" odatle, dok ih kroz
onaj prozor gledaju dva čoveka, jedan u specijalnom o delu i drugi u uniformi.
Na kraju snimka alienu polazi "krv" na usta i jedan od "hirurga" zove nekog
preko telefona na zidu.
Preporučujem petroniu (i svima ostalima) da obavezno pogleda Pandoru, bar
zbog dotičnog snimka i da malo prokomentariše isti jer je očigledno upućeniji
u sve to.
Za one koji ne znaju, u avanturi se govori o incidentu u Roswellu, poseti
vanzemaljaca našoj plateni u drevna vremena, kontaktima sa Majama, a u sve
to je umešana i NSA (nisam baš siguran, ali mislim da je National Security
Agency). U jednom delu avanture idete u Roswell i zatičete užas koji su
načinili vanzemaljci, TOP SECRET izveštaje o svemu tome i još mnogo toga.
Inače, avantura je rađena prema istoimenoj knjizi (zaboravio sam autora),
ima sjajnu atmosferu, dobre glumce,... uostalom, kažu da je to najbolji
interaktivni film do sada.
razno.332gligo,
-> #328, petronio> Povremeno finansiraju i neki film koji radi isti fazon, dakle,
> poenta je da se kroz podsmeh na sve te price stekne utisak da
> su sve to gluposti. Upravo je izasao jedan takav pod nazivom
> 'Ljudi u crnom'.
Primer za to je i najnoviji spot(Fresh Prince-a),
ismevanje do maksimuma
Sto se tice filma,tu si u pravu.Gledao sam ga pre jedno
15 dana i stvarno nemam komentara
razno.333gligo,
-> #329, petronio> Pazi, ceo grad je to video.. (Phoenix, Arizona)
> Brod je stajao SAT vremena iznad grada, sto UFO strucnjaci
> komentarisu kao nameran potez USA vlade ili posade tog broda,
> da bi se videlo kako ce narod reagovati na takvu pojavu..
Ja nikako ne shvatam da postoji toliko bliska veza UFO-a i
americke vlade?
Znam da je mozda smesno pitanje ali me interesuje kome ne
bi odgovaralo objavljivanje informacija o vanzemaljcima
ako ih uopste poseduju,pa makar i mali deo tih informacija?
Bio sam mislenja da su sve to price za 'laku noc'
ali sada vidim da tu ima nesto mnogo vise
razno.334nenad,
-> #328, petronio> +| Pokazao je jedan snimak navodnog UFO-a, onda su sve sekvence
> +| snimka spojili u jedan kako bi dobili sliku od svetlosnih mrlja
> i +| odsjaja i lepo se video avion...
>
>
> Misliš da je veliki problem da CIA izmontira nešto
> i da ga preda starom da 'elaboriše'..
Pa ko je izmontorao ne znam, neki tip je pokazivao pojedinačne
kadrove i bukvalno se njihovim spajanjem dobila slika aviona.
Navodni UFO je u stvari bio samo odsjaj sa pojedinih delova
aviona u zavisnosti od njegovog položaja. Klark mislim da i nije
bio prisutan, on tu emisiju i ne vodu u pravom smislu te reči već
je više kao neki domaćin, narator koji pričom spaja priloge a
skoro sve vreme sedi u svojoj kući u Šri Lanci.
U svakom slučaju, uz svo nepoverenje koje možeš imati prema ovome
ili onome, kad sabereš stvari činjenice stoje ovako:
1. Videlo se neko svetlo na nebu kako leti
2. Ne postoji dokaz da je to vanzemaljski brod
3. Postoji dokaz da je u pitanju avion
Ne vidim kako iz ovih činjenica mogu izvući takav zaključak da
bio bio SIGURAN da je u pitanju bio UFO. Jedini zaključci mogu
biti:
1. Bio je avion
2. Ne znam šta je bilo (ako ne verujem autorima emsiije)
> Uvek kada se u nekom gradu pojavi vest o vidjenju UFO-a, CIA plati
> neke kretene (bukvalne, sirotinju uglavnom) da na televiziji pričaju
> o tome kako bi ismejali celu priču.
Cija, snajka, cija, upropastili su pola sveta. ;)
> Ipak mislim da si ti isuviše zaljubljen u Odiseju a samim tim i
> Artura Klarka, da bi samo na trenutak mogao da posumnjaš u njegove
> 'lekcije'.
Grešiš, od Klarska sam pročitao samo Odiseju i nekoliko priča, i
ne samo da nisam "zaljubljen" nego i ne spadam u neke obožavaoce.
razno.335nenad,
-> #329, petronio> Brod je stajao SAT vremena iznad grada, što UFO stručnjaci
> komentarišu kao nameran potez USA vlade ili posade tog broda, da bi
> se videlo kako će narod reagovati na takvu pojavu..
Pa i to je pre za temu misterije nego za ovde. :) Jednostanvo ne
znamo o čemu se radi.
Ako je poenta tvoje poruke bila "zavera svetskih obaveštajnih
službi i javnih medija" onda ok, meni se ipak čini zanimljivijom
za priču sama mogućnost da nas posećuju vanzemaljci pa sam tako i
shvatio tvoju poruku.
Inače ovo što ti pričaš je jako lepo i sažeto prikazano u jednoj
epizodi serije X, onoj kada neki pisac zove i sluša priče
Skalijeve i Moldera o incidentu... I to kako se u gradu odjednom
pojavljuju razni čudni likovi koji prete ljudima, predstavljaju
se kao vanzemaljci (a svi su različiti) i onda nastaju
kontradiktorne priče, ljudi ispadaju ludi i sl.
Mislim da ta epizoda nije prikazana kod nas osim u piratskoj
verziji po lokalnim televizijama.
> Ceo grad je tih dana bio poplavljen vojskom, FBI-om, CIA-om i kako
> kažu ljudima na čijim je kombinezonima pisalo NASA..
I šta to znači? Da li je u pitanju UFO ili kako ti reče "hoće da
vide kako bi narod reagovao"? Ništa ne znamo, možemo samo da
špekulišemo...
razno.336petronio,
-> #334, nenad+| Pa ko je izmontorao ne znam, neki tip je pokazivao pojedinačne
+| kadrove i bukvalno se njihovim spajanjem dobila slika aviona.
+| Navodni UFO je u stvari bio samo odsjaj sa pojedinih delova
+| aviona u zavisnosti od njegovog položaja.
Pa vidi, ipak je moguće, složićeš se, da se to izmontira sa ciljem
vrlo jasnim, ili od strane CIA-e (eh, ta CIA ;) ili od bilo koje
individue željne malo publiciteta. Potsetiću te da tih snimaka ima
jako mnogo, kako video tako i foto, sigurno nije teško naći neki
(već postojeći) ili naknadno napravljeni snimak da se prikaže kao fake.
+| Klark mislim da i nije
+| bio prisutan, on tu emisiju i ne vodu u pravom smislu te reči već
+| je više kao neki domaćin, narator koji pričom spaja priloge a
+| skoro sve vreme sedi u svojoj kući u Šri Lanci.
Kapiram ja to, ali u potpisu emisije stoji 'Tajanstveni svemir A.Klarka',
nemam ja ništa lično protiv njega, ali poruke njegovih emisija su jasne.
Da li on svesno manipuliše informacijama ili stvarno veruje u to, ne znam..
Znam jednu stvar, on i ne samo on, kad bude došao momenat rasturanja te
fasade koja traje već 50 godina, imaće istu pesmu za pevanje, a ona glasi..
'Pa šta sam mogao? Rekli su mi da je to bitno pitanje nacionalne
bezbednosti i da bi došlo do haosa i anarhije na zemlji ako bi
javnost saznala da ima neka ratoborna sila koja je tehnološki
i psihički na mnogo većem nivou od našeg, da se sazna da je
biblija jedna velika izmišljotina? ' i slično..
Ima u tome dosta istine, ipak veliku ulogu kao razlog za prikrivanje
ovih informacija igra i velika tehnološka korist upotrebljena u ratne
svrhe. Ipak, bila je to 1947, rat se tek završio, verujem da su u početku
imali najbolje namere ali da je kasnije to otišlo na drugu stranu..
Nije lako sada ni priznati 'Jeste, lagali smo vas 50 godina..'
+| Ne vidim kako iz ovih činjenica mogu izvući takav zaključak da
+| bio bio SIGURAN da je u pitanju bio UFO. Jedini zaključci mogu
+| biti:
+|
+| 1. Bio je avion
+|
+| 2. Ne znam šta je bilo (ako ne verujem autorima emsiije)
Ima i pod
3. Možda i jeste tako kako kažu, ali to je jedan od 1000 snimaka.
Možda su namerno izostavili neke koji im ne odgovaraju.
razno.337petronio,
-> #335, nenad+| Pa i to je pre za temu misterije nego za ovde. :) Jednostanvo ne
+| znamo o čemu se radi.
Ne svidja mi se nekako kako zvuči.. EXTRA - Misterije ;)
Ja ipak mislim da bi Forum:gde.smo bio najracionalniji.. ;)
+| Ako je poenta tvoje poruke bila "zavera svetskih obaveštajnih
+| službi i javnih medija" onda ok, meni se ipak čini zanimljivijom
+| za priču sama mogućnost da nas posećuju vanzemaljci pa sam tako i
+| shvatio tvoju poruku.
Poentu si pogodio, samo, budi uveren da svi to znaju i da niko
ništa ne preduzima, pa to je sramota.. ;)
Pogotovu otkad se KGB raspao..
+| I šta to znači? Da li je u pitanju UFO ili kako ti reče "hoće da
+| vide kako bi narod reagovao"? Ništa ne znamo, možemo samo da
+| špekulišemo...
^
^
Upravo tako..
Meni je glavni adut koji me vodi da verujem u sve to Roswell slučaj.
Kažem ti, pogledaj film, radjen je na činjenicama..
Najzanimljivije u svemu tome je da je Vazduhoplovstvo nakon incidenta
objavilo da su zarobili svemirski brod, da bi nakon 24h, ceo slučaj
demantovali sa pričom da je u stvari to bio meteorološki balon.
1994 je usledio drugi izveštaj a pre neki dan je izašao 'finalan'.
U sledećoj poruci ćeš imati zadovoljstvo da pročitaš transkript
konferencije za stampu Air Force-a u kojoj prezentuju treći izveštaj
o Roswell incidentu.
Jedan interesantan mail vezan za to sa ISO liste..
Inače, možda nisi znao, black triangles je naziv za ona 'svetla na nebu'
što si video na onom filmu koji sam poslao neki dan..
Pogledaj uz poruku isečak iz novina gde se jasno vidi 'brod'..
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:24:42 +0700
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Subject: [In_Search_Of] DUMMIES FOR DUMMIES
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DUMMIES FOR DUMMIES
General X: What are we gonna say now? They're getting closer to the truth,
and here it is the 50th aniversery of the day we got our best toy.
Agent O: Well lets see, the bloated Japanese story didn't work, the weather
ballon story didn't work. Reason why is too many witnesses saw the bodies.
Chief W: We have to think of something that those dummies out there in
America will swallow.
General X: DUMMIES! THATS IT! DUMMIES! Ok everybody get to work quick call
Dr.Y, chief of BS. Name of this top secret coverup is going to be DUMMIES
FOR DUMMIES!
Agent O: Brilliant Gen X, brilliant.
Chief W: Yep, first we spend THEIR money to recover the thing, then we spend
THEIR money to research the thing, then we spend THEIR money to
develop all kinds of products for coporate America like fiber optics so they
can get filthy rich, (not to mention that handsome finders fee we got*) then
we spend THEIR money to convince them it never happend. We followed one of
the fundamental principles of a good entreprenuer: USING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.
Chief W: Wait till we let them know that the black triangles are ours! Here
is how it's gonna go down: SEE, ALL YOU DUMMIES! UFO'S ARE BOGUS! You
believers get all fired up, and turns out it was just our secret XYZF24T!!!
So, everybody leave us alone! There is no such thing as intelligent life in
outer space, and we're gonna do our best to wipe it out here as
well...............
*little researched, but undoubtedly an element of this whole coverup...
How much you think somebody paid for the info that led to fiber optics?
Millions, I betcha. HEY ISO MONITORS! Am I gettin warm?
ar1.jpgrazno.338petronio,
CNN Today
Air Force Holds Press Conference Regarding Roswell
Incident
Aired June 24, 1997 - 2:00 p.m. ET
LOU WATERS, CNN ANCHOR: Any minute now, the
government plans to release its report that
indicates the fabled space aliens that fell to
Earth a half century ago were dummies used in Cold
War military tests. Whatever it was, these dummies
-- or whatever it was -- landed at a ranch near
Roswell, New Mexico and were carted away in the
dark of night supposedly by the government.
The sensational story spread among the locals, and
today, it is the stuff of national legend of vast
conspiracy theories, even sizable profits for those
who manage to keep this story alive. So what really
happened? The U.S. Air Force is about to tell us
what it says happend.
We're going over to the Penatgon now, where Colonel
John Haynes of the U.S. Air Force will tell us what
happened.
COL. JOHN HAYNES, U.S AIR FORCE: Good afternoon,
ladies and gentlemen.
I'm sure I'd like to show you this book, tell you
it's $18 and head for the door, but there are two
armed guards right there and they're not going to
let me out of it that easily.
(LAUGHTER)
Let me read my prepared statement and then we will
roll a short video that Captain McAndrew will talk
about. And then I will answer some questions.
We're confident once the report is out and digested
by the public that this will be the final word on
the Roswell incident.
The conclusion of the first report left no doubt
that what was recovered near Roswell, New Mexico,
in July 1947 was debris from a formerly top secret
Army Air Force's research project, Code Name Mogul.
Mogul as an attempt to accoustically detect Soviet
nuclear blasts and ballistic missile launches.
Mogul used an odd assortment of equipment carried
aloft by a balloon train more than 600 feet long.
This balloon train consisted of 25 balloons,
attached acoustic devices and several radar
reflectors which look like box kites.
In 1947, it was the misidentification of these
radar reflectors that is most likely the famous
flying disc.
Today, we're releasing the final report to address
questions about alleged bodies associated with the
Roswell story. This report has four main
conclusions. If you have your books, turn to page
3. We'll have a lesson.
(LAUGHTER)
One -- Air Force activities which occurred over a
period of many years had been consolidated and are
now represented to have occurred in two or three
days in July 1947.
Two -- bodies observed in the New Mexico desert
were probably test dummies that were carried aloft
by U.S. Air Force high altitude balloons for
scientific research.
Three, the unusual military activities in the New
Mexico desert were high-altitude research balloon
launch and recovery operations. The reports of
military units that always seem to arrive shortly
after a crash were actually accurate descriptions
of Air Force personnel engaged in the dummy
recovery operations.
Four, claims of bodies at the Roswell Army air
field hospital were most likely a combination of
two separate incidents. One was a 1956 KC-97
aircraft accident in which 11 Air Force members
lost their lives or a 1959 manned balloon mishap in
which two Air Force pilots were injured.
That information is in this report.
These conclusions are listed in page 3, as I said,
of the book. Please roll the video.
(VIDEO)
The first clip's pretty quick. I'm going start off
with some Air Force high-altitude balloon
operations, and the first project is going to be a
NASA Viking space probe tested in New Mexico.
This was launched from Roswell, New Mexico, in 1972
and was recovered on the White Sands missile range,
about 100 miles to the west. That is the Voyager,
Mars, another test the Air Force did. (OFF-MIKE)...
(LAUGHTER)
Typical Air Force high-altitude balloon launch
operation in the desert of New Mexico. This is
during the mid '50s. That's just a comparison of
the size. You can see how many airliners you can
fit inside a high-altitude research balloon at that
altitude. These are just some payloads -- the usual
payloads particularly associated with the balloon.
Next will be the reconnaissance project Mogul. The
project took place in New Mexico in 1947. This is
some equipment associated with Project Mogul.
There's the famous box kite that became the famous
flying disk. The weather balloons that were on the
balloon train... That's the tin, paper, rubber and
sticks that they recovered in the desert near New
Mexico in 1947.
Here's what you've all been waiting for, the
anthropomorphic dummies, and Joseph W. Kittinger
Jr.. That's a typical test dummy used by the Air
Force during the 1950s.
(LAUGHTER)
There's one of the project officers with that
particular dummy. It's known as a Sierra Sam,
manufactured by Sierra Engineering Corporation. One
of the technical reports listed in the bibliography
of the report. This is actually a man subject, but
that's what the dummies were used for, to test
ejection.
QUESTION: So, that's not a dummy?
HAYNES: That's a man.
(LAUGHTER)
Here's how the dummies were employed. Two dummies
to a rack, somewhere in a gondola. They flew up to
98,000 feet. This launch is in New Mexico. That's
an upshot, and there goes the dummy. He would free
fall for a period of time and a drug chute would
deploy, and the object was to recover a human from
a high-altitude aircraft. And they often landed at
off-range locations throughout New Mexico, often
observed by civilians.
This is where the recovery crews are scurrying to
recover them, either with aircraft or ground
vehicles.
This is retired Colonel Joseph W. Kittinger Jr.
This is the culmination of the high altitude
projects that use the dummies. And that's the
Excelsior Three gondola in 1960. And that's Captain
Kittinger. That is a world record parachute jump.
Still stands today. He free fell for four minutes
and 37 seconds. And he did it three times.
OK, let me -- yes, ma'am.
QUESTION: Why did it take so long to come up with
this conclusion? You've come up with many other
conclusions.
HAYNES: Well, the first report was the GAO-required
report for Project Mogul. When Captain McAndrew was
doing additional research after that report had
been given to the secretary, and we were waiting to
publish the second report, he was looking for
additional pictures. And he uncovered some film
strips of the balloon test and the dummies. And
that's when he began to do further research.
He sent it up the chain, and they said this is
excellent information. It's outstanding scientific
research by the Air Force. And we want the public
to know about it, because it's the public's
information. QUESTION: Colonel, how do you square
the UFO enthusiasts saying that they're talking
about 1947, while you're talking about dummies used
in the '50s, almost a decade later?
HAYNES: Well, I'm afraid that's a problem that we
have with time compression. I don't know what they
saw in '47, but I'm quite sure it probably was
Project Mogul. But I think if you find that people
talk about things over a period of time, they begin
to lose exactly when the date was. And there were
lots of dummies dropped. There were about 2,500
balloons launched during this 30-year period in New
Mexico alone.
QUESTION: Why do you think people in Roswell and
elsewhere still don't -- still are not convinced?
No matter what you say?
HAYNES: I'm sorry, but I just can't answer that
question for them. But they must look at the
evidence. If you will read this book -- and I'm
sure you're going to take it home tonight and read
it -- quite frankly, you're going to find some very
interesting and quite fascinating pieces of
information about Air Force research.
Whether you accept that as the Roswell information,
I quite frankly don't know. But we do because it
overlays so well with this period of time.
QUESTION: Colonel, UFO groups also...
QUESTION: Excuse me. Sir, does the Air Force regret
not declassifying some of this information sooner
rather than just the last few years?
HAYNES: Great question. Nothing in here was ever
classified.
In the first report, everything was classified in
the '70s.
QUESTION: How much did this study cost?
HAYNES: That's a good question and quite frankly,
we've not captured the data. But let me tell you
that we've had no more than one or two people on it
-- probably not even full time over the last two
years.
QUESTION: Colonel, are...
HAYNES: I can get that for you but I just don't
know because we just got the book on the 10th and I
haven't -- I don't know what the publishing costs
are.
Yes, ma'am.
QUESTION: Colonel, let me just clear up two things
that you sort of brushed over quickly. Number one
was the time frame that people are going to say --
But this is 10 years. How could they possibly make
a mistake on the 10 years. And number two -- you
said it was never classified, and yet why didn't
people at the time say -- Well, my goodness, we
were having dummy tests. This explains the answer.
HAYNES: Well, the dummy test actually -- you need
to get the book. You need to look in there.
If you'll look in there, you'll find there are a
couple of things in which the dummy tests get lots
of media attention, and I should have -- I have it
tabbed, and I should be able to find it, but quite
frankly, I'm sitting here and my knees are shaking.
(UNKNOWN): Twenty-six.
QUESTION: But...
HAYNES: Page 26.
QUESTION: Yes, but explain those two things.
HAYNES: OK. There's a picture for that.
But let me tell you that I don't know why they
can't associate that time period. I'm sorry. I just
don't have any information for that. All I know is
what the Air Force did, and that if you overlay
much of their claims and you look at the Air Force
scientific research, you can see it's obvious that
what we're talking about at Roswell -- and I don't
mean Roswell in '47, because that was Project
Mogul, that was unmanned. I want to make that very
clear. And that's the first report.
But over that period of time, dummies were dropped
all around there. And I think it's logical to
assume that the people there saw Air Force
ambulances come out. They saw gurneys come out.
They saw body bags come out because the dummies
were put into body bags to protect them.
They saw people in pith helmets. They saw people in
shorts out there brushing the bushes looking for
the remnants of the balloons.
And when you put all that stuff together and spin
it, you find that it fits perfectly with many of
the occurrences in Roswell during that era.
QUESTION: Except that 10-year period.
QUESTION: But they also said that these figures
were of much smaller stature than full-size adult
figures. How do reconcile that?
HAYNES: I don't reconcile that. I just have no idea
why they say that.
QUESTION: Tell us when the dummies were first used
-- what year?
HAYNES: Fifty-three.
QUESTION: And how many you say numbers of...
HAYNES: Well, the actual balloon launchings were
about 2,500. The actual number of dummies dropped
were -- it's actually in the book and it's very
specific, but the number just escapes me. It's more
than 300 or 400. Yes, sir.
QUESTION: Why did they make it -- the design --
resemble to flying saucer? It makes it very
suspicious.
HAYNES: A flying saucer? Now, you were talking
about in the video?
QUESTION: Yes.
HAYNES: That's also in here, I might add and you
saw it in the video. Some of the -- and you're
looking at payloads. Well, what they were doing is
they wanted to recover these payloads and so they
were testing the parachutes.
And I totally agree. If I saw something like that
-- I'm riding along out there near Riodoso and I'm
wandering out in the desert and I see this funny
looking dish out there, I might want to poke around
at it. But quite frankly, this is probably what it
was.
QUESTION: You keep saying -- using the word
"probably" and you say closed. Those two don't
jive. How do you reconcile that?
HAYNES: Yes, you're right. OK. Let me say, from the
Air Force's perspective that's exactly what it was.
And I don't mean to be rude about that. I want you
to understand, we are very, of this report. We
think in our office that this answers lots of
questions and it answers them logically and with
integrity.
And one other thing I might add is if you want to
do your own research, in the back is a complete,
technical report bibliography and also there is a
terrific, set of end notes. And I recommend that if
you're interested in this, that you take these and
you do your own research and come to your own
conclusions. Yes, sir.
QUESTION: Does the Air Force have any evidence at
all of any sort of space craft wreckage or
extraterrestrial presence on Earth?
HAYNES: No, sir.
QUESTION: What is -- can you tell us anything about
this myth of Area 51 which has become part of ...
(LAUGHTER)
... everything from Hollywood movies to a local
legend? What is Area 51? Is there such a place?
What does it do?
HAYNES: That actually should be outside this brief.
Let me ask you a question. If you are talking about
Groom Lake, Nevada, is that what you're talking
about?
QUESTION: I'm talking about the scene everybody
remembers from the movie "Independence Day."
(LAUGHTER) HAYNES: My daughter asked me the same
question. There is a facility in Groom Lake,
Nevada. Quite frankly, I have no knowledge or
expertise in the matters. I understand there are
classified things that go on there and that's all I
have to say about it.
QUESTION: One followup. How do you know -- I mean,
your name is now Colonel John Haynes. It's going to
go down in UFO lore as one of the people who took
part, in the minds of some people, in the
continuing coverup by the government. How do you
know that you're not being used? How do you know
that you know the full story?
(LAUGHTER)
That there's no evidence of this?
HAYNES: Because our job is to review all the Air
Force documents for this era. And that's how we
came up with this exciting and interesting and
intriguing, quite frankly, report. I know you think
that sounds like a broken record, but you need to
get in here and read it, and you will see that many
of the things that people think they saw correlate
perfectly with Air Force research projects.
QUESTION: You're confident that you're not part of
any coverup, wittingly or unwittingly?
HAYNES: I'm totally confident.
HAYNES: But I think Colonel Weaver -- you might
have seen him on TV earlier -- said it best. We
can't even keep single secrets. How could we have a
conspiracy or a cover-up?
(LAUGHTER)
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: A question of follow-up to the Groom Lake
operating location. Recently there were a lot of
sightings out in Arizona of supposed UFOs. Is it
possible, within the range of possibility, that any
classified aircraft from the Groom Lake area were
in that vicinity and this might explain why people
are suddenly seeing a lot of strange landing lights
and so forth?
HAYNES: Well, let me say two things. Number one, as
far as Groom Lake, I don't have any knowledge of
that area. Forgive me. It's just not within my area
of expertise. I don't have the access. End of
quote.
Secondly, if you're interested in the Arizona
question, I suggest that you contact the local
authorities in Arizona and see what they have to
say, because the Air Force no longer does any
investigation of UFOs.
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: Let's go back to that so-called Area 51,
because in people's minds, but you say I can't talk
about it because it's classified, conjures up, oh,
there it is. There's the cover-up.
Can you give us any hint, without violating any
sense of confidential nature, what kinds of things
might be happening?
HAYNES: Sir, I cannot. Forgive me. I just do not
know.
QUESTION: Is there anyone in the Air Force that
can?
HAYNES: I'm going to have to defer that to public
affairs. It's outside of my area of expertise.
Forgive me, but it's just outside of my area of
expertise.
QUESTION: Can you rule out that Area 51 is only
human-made equipment and intelligence?
(LAUGHTER)
HAYNES: Do we call that leading the witness? Is
that what we call it? I'm sorry. I just don't know.
Forgive me. It's just not an area that I have
knowledge.
Yes, ma'am?
QUESTION: Colonel, let me just go back one more
time to that. You say this is case closed and
people should now believe it, but with the major
hole, though, you're saying that they're wrong
about the date and the date being six years time
that they're wrong about.
How can you -- what explanation can you give them,
other than just saying, well, we just think they're
just mistaken by six years?
HAYNES: We don't -- I have no other explanation.
I'm sorry. I have no other explanation. I'm looking
at the facts as we have studied them, and I have no
other explanation of that but what I've already
given.
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: Would how would that...
HAYNES: Because we've reviewed all the relevant
information and we have finished this, and we're
not going to re-visit it. And in fact, it's all
unclassified. If you have an opportunity on your
own behalf, I recommend you get the report, start
digging in, get on the Web, see what you can find
out.
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: What leads the Pentagon then to think
that it is necessary to respond about this? Why do
you have to come up with this report?
HAYNES: We actually came up with the report because
this is intriguing and fascinating research. You
may have noticed this is also the 50th anniversary
of the United States Air Force. You may have also
concluded that we have been talking about other
things about space and things of that nature, and
this altitude balloon research is quite
fascinating.
But it was left in the dust. Something we
uncovered, and it's just kind of left in the dust
of the space program. It wasn't romantic. Now you
have men going up on the end of rockets, and here
are guys jumping out of balloons.
Kittinger, I believe, broke the speed of sound
jumping out of that balloon. Can you imagine that?
I mean, I can't imagine it.
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: Is it possible that the Air Force could
have missed something in its investigation? In
other words, is it possible that there are
unidentified flying objects? That there are
extraterrestrial visits, and the Air Force simply
has not found it, or been able to detect it?
HAYNES: We have researched the Air Force projects
and the Air Force information for these year
groups. We have nothing else to say about that. You
know, we don't believe there's anything else. I
don't think -- I have no way of even vaguely
believing there's anything else.
razno.339petronio,
I promised a gentleman right back here a question.
Sir, in the -- yes, sir.
QUESTION: About 50 years ago today, an Air Force
pilot spied a big array of saucers, supposedly
flying over Washington state. That may have started
all of this. Does the Air Force think it will never
again investigate these reports? Project Bluebook
was the end, and that's it?
HAYNES: You know, I don't ever want to speak for
the Air Force about never again, but it's my
opinion that they will not. Yes, sir.
QUESTION: Sir, from just a cursory examination of
the report, it would appear that the Air Force
compiled this information at the request of the
GAO, at the request of a New Mexico congressperson,
if I'm correct.
HAYNES: That was report one, sir.
QUESTION: But even given then, even at that time,
why then didn't the Air Force provide these very
readily explanations for UFO activity, when these
questions first started being surfaced?
HAYNES: Well, this information was uncovered as we
were preparing to publish that first book. We were
actually looking for pictures. We had looked at all
the information that surrounded 1947, and found
absolutely nothing.
But as we got into the out years, we realized that
the Air Force has some other quite intriguing --
I'll say it one more time -- experiments that were
going on, that could be misconstrued. And that's
why it was -- that was one of the reasons it was
decided to publish the book. Yes, sir. QUESTION:
Did Captain McMaster or any of the other analysts
come across any evidence apart from the silver
paper discs that went over the high altitude
balloons that the Air Force conducted during this
rather wide timeframe, any other aerodynamic
experiments involving manned or unmanned aircraft
that looked like flying saucers?
HAYNES: Well, you saw the payloads in the book. We
saw them in the film. And I think those could
easily be confused of that, too. And it is Captain
McAndrew. So you'll get the -- yes, sir.
QUESTION: But apart from those, going up on the
blue, were there any other Air Force experiments
that you know of involving craft that looked like
flying saucers?
HAYNES: No, sir.
QUESTION: Whatever experiment (OFF-MIKE)...
HAYNES: ... Well, there were some other balloons.
And there's some balloon shapes in here you might
want to look at too that are very intriguing. In
fact, they look a lot like some other people's
pictures. Yes, sir.
QUESTION: Did you speak to Captain McAndrews?
HAYNES: I think she's going to deal with that
question when I finish. One more question.
QUESTION: Do you believe in UFOs?
HAYNES: Personally, no, sir.
QUESTION: Why not?
HAYNES: Ma'am, I have no reason to believe that
they're real.
QUESTION: Thank you very much.
HAYNES: Thank you, sir.
WATERS: And that's Colonel John Haynes' final word.
He does not believe in UFOs after releasing what he
hopes will be the final report on the so-called
Roswell incident, which inspired many question, a
couple of which the colonel said was asked of him
by his own granddaughter, inspired but the movie
"Independence Day" which evoked much later among
the journalists covering today's story of this
release of the report on the so-called Roswell
incident.
A fellow who knows much more about all of this is
an investigative journalist by the name of Jim
Marrs, and author of the book, "Alien Agenda," who
joins us on the line now.
Jim, you heard what the colonel had to say. I
assume you saw the video. The final word from the
Pentagon once even after the 1994 report is it
didn't happen. Do you buy that? JIM MARRS, "ALIEN
AGENDA": Well, frankly, I am underwhelmed. It's
really incredible that they trot out some old
footage from the late '50s and '60, and just -- as
the colonel himself said, he said, I don't know
what they saw in 1947. And so this is hardly
conducive to putting "Case Closed" on the front of
their report.
I have no question about the fact that the Air
Force and other government agencies were testing
things back in the '50s. There was the "avrocar"
(ph), the "Flap Jack" that were saucer-shaped
craft; none of which worked particularly well. This
has all been well-known and been rehashed years ago
and put to rest. Now they're dredging it back up,
adding dummies, and saying this is probably what
everybody they saw. All I can say is the only real
dummies in this thing is anyone who would believe
this lame story.
WATERS: Tell us more, Jim, about why you're
underwhelmed. You've investigated the situation of
UFOs in the United States involving the Air Force,
what did they see, or what did they say they see
that this would not be -- that would not be
dispelled by the videotape we just saw?
MARRS: Well, it's really fascinating. As the
colonel said, and he is probably speaking for the
majority of people in the Air Force and certainly
at that news conference, he does not believe in
UFOs. But I would point to Air Force documents
prior to 1947 that stated that UFOs are real and
tangible objects.
This attitude only changed after July of 1947 and
whatever crashed in the desert of New Mexico. Two
months later, President Truman created the Central
Intelligence Agency and the National Security
Council, which swept such issues as this away from
Congress, the public and the media, and they've
kept a very tight and strict secrecy over it right
up until now.
Unfortunately, even the news media does not seem to
understand the background as evidenced by the
reporter who when asked -- Area 51, is that green
lake? Well, of course it is, but he didn't know
that.
WATERS: You write in your book of documented
government deceit and duplicity, aided by the
reluctance of conventional science to publicly
address the evidence. Take government deceit first
of all. Why would the government want to cover this
up?
MARRS: Well, it's real simple and straight forward.
To the military man and by all the government
documents that's been released over the years, the
military is in charge of this issue very firmly.
And to the military man, this represents advanced
technology, which in turn represents potential
weaponry. Therefore, it's got to be kept top secret
close to the chest, and nobody supposed to know
about it.
WATERS: Conventional science; why would they be
reluctant to publicly address what you say is
evidence of extraterrestrial activity?
MARRS: Well, what I found in my research from my
book, "Alien Agenda," is that the scientific
community is intensely interested in UFOs and
extraterrestrial life. There's been many serious
scientific papers written about it. The problem is
that beginning 1947 when the government instituted
a policy of dismissal and ridicule, and so many
scientists are dependent upon government grants or
university grants that are dependent upon
government grants, that publicly they have been
very, very hesitant to speak out about the
possibility of UFOs or extraterrestrial life.
WATERS: You also mentioned the media. You blame the
media to some extent. What did you make of all the
chuckling going on by members of the press today?
MARRS: I think that's symptomatic of the media.
They too have fallen prey to this whole policy of
dismissal and ridicule. It is not as bad today,
because we've had all of this conditioning by
movies and TV, the "X-Files." You know, everybody's
at least aware of the issue now, but they still
laugh it off as if there's nothing is there.
Obviously, they have not done the background, and
they have not studied.
For instance, UFOs are real. I can say that with
absolute assurance, because I too for many years
accepted the idea that they might just be
hallucinations or some sort of mass psychosis. But
with the advent of the camcorder, everybody and
their dog has a camcorder. And every week that goes
by, there's somebody taking very credible footage
-- video of a UFO. And you can't take a picture of
an hallucination.
WATERS: Before we get away, Jim, I'm sure you might
be aware of Air Force Colonel Richard Weaver's
statement this morning. He is the fellow who wrote
the '94 report on the Roswell incident. He was
asked if he thought the new report will put this
matter to rest. He said, I doubt it. This has
become a religion to many people. It's almost a
cult. Certainly, an unbelievable financial
opportunity for many folks, so I think this is
going to endure.
Are you being dismissed as a kook or a
profit-seeker by Colonel Weaver and others in the
military?
MARRS: Well, I don't know. Probably so, but I can
assure you that I am not basing my opinions on just
some preconceived idea or some religious impulse.
This is the result of many years of study, and the
facts are there for the people that want to know.
Let me simply add that keep in mind that these
people who are saying that nothing happened in New
Mexico, it was just balloons and dummies, are the
same folks that brought you the light at the end of
the tunnel in Vietnam in 1968.
WATERS: All right, Jim Marrs, author of the book
"Alien Agenda" and investigative journalist. His
specialty is extraterrestrial and UFO activity on
this planet. And I'm sure we'll hear more about
this story as we go throughout the day.
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razno.340firus,
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>> Ako Seselj dodje na vlast (a hoce, mada, podvlacim, on bi
> On je dobar i bio bi dobar samo u opoziciji
Ma, neka ipak dodje na vlast. Treba ovde malo čvrste
ruke da se neke stvari postave na svoje mesto.
>> Pen (u blizoj buducnosti), eto nama besplatnih Miraza. ;)))
> Zar stvarno mislis da neko bilo sta poklanja
Zar ti stvarno ne vidiš smajlije ?!
> I, meni to licno ne smeta preterano, ali zar stvarno mislis
> da je to resenje?
Nije, ali ima i drugih problema na koje se ljudi najčešće
ne osvrću. U'vatili se ljudi Šešelja i kioska pa ne gledaju na
drugo. Treba biti i realan i manje pristrasan.
razno.341firus,
*** Odgovor na EXTRA.9:2.342 ***
> A šta ti misliš da kioske po Zemunu dodeljuju sirotanima kojima
> je lova od kioska neophodna?
Naravno da ne, ali u tim kioscima sigurno nisu zaposleni
lovatori već ljudi kojima je posao neophodan. Iz te perspektive,
situacija je ipak malo drugačija, zar ne?
Takodje, verujem da i solidna većina tako zaposlenih ne
radi na crno već su uredno prijavljeni (da je provincija u
pitanju, logično bi bilo da rade na crno, ovde nadležne službe
verovatno bolje rade svoj posao).
razno.342nenad,
-> #336, petronio> Pa vidi, ipak je moguće, složićeš se, da se to izmontira sa ciljem
> vrlo jasnim, ili od strane CIA-e (eh, ta CIA ;) ili od bilo koje
> individue željne malo publiciteta.
Ma sve je moguće... Ovaj snimak je ipak jedan od najpoznatijih
(rekoh da sam pratio te stvari i pre). Opet kažem - sve što mogu
da zaključim nakon gledanja te emisije je: video sam jedan dokaz
da snimak prikazuje avion. To ništa ni malo ne utiče na moje
mišljenje o drugim snimcima, kao i o drugim problemima uopšte.
> Znam jednu stvar, on i ne samo on, kad bude došao momenat rasturanja
> te fasade koja traje već 50 godina, imaće istu pesmu za pevanje, a
> ona glasi..
Mene više zanima _zašto_ misliš da CIA ili bilo koji drugi centar
moći ima interes da te stvari krije od javnosti? Nije ti palo na
pamet da je možda obratno, da oni namerno prave te incidente kako
bi jedan deo naroda verovao u te stvari i kako bi se pravdale
pare za svemirska istraživanja?
Jedno stoji - dobijanje konačnog dokaza o postojanju /
nepostojanju života van Zemlje će značajno uticati na neke
političke stvari ovde. Sve jedno šta bude otkriveno. Mislim da bi
se politička karta planete drastično promenila ako bi se pojavio
nedvosmislen dokaz o postojanju drugih inteligentnih bića van
Zemlje. Međutim, slično važi i za konačan dokaz da smo jedini...
razno.343petronio,
-> #342, nenad+| Mene više zanima _zašto_ misliš da CIA ili bilo koji drugi centar
+| moći ima interes da te stvari krije od javnosti? Nije ti palo na
+| pamet da je možda obratno, da oni namerno prave te incidente kako
+| bi jedan deo naroda verovao u te stvari i kako bi se pravdale
+| pare za svemirska istraživanja?
Ne znam odakle ti ideja da oni preko tih incidenata pravdaju pare
za svemirska istraživanja.. naprotiv, beže od te teme do krajnjih granica.
Sem toga, prvi ozbiljni slučaj se dogodio 1947, odakle im tehnika i uopšte
povod da urade takvo nešto?
Dva meseca nakon tog dogadjaja osniva se CIA, slučajno je li? ;)
A koji je interes?
Pravi razlog verovatno znaju samo oni..
I na kraju, ja se u celoj ovoj priči vodim isključivo činjenicama,
a one mi govore da je nemoguće da ljudi pričaju o UFO pojavama, o otmicama
vanzemaljaca, pritom prolaze na detektoru laži, podvrgavaju se hipnozi kod
priznatih psihologa koji nedvosmisleno govore o istinitosti njihovog
iskustva, ne verujem u masovnu halucinaciju tog tipa gde hiljade ljudi
zove vojsku i miliciju prijavljujući da su videli UFO, da astronauti
pričaju da je sve to istina i o tome šta su stvarno videli na mesecu,
bivši direktori NASA-e potvrdjuju, itd.
Ako i pretpostavim da SVI oni lažu, i da njihov interes za takvo nešto
ne mogu da dokučim, onda mi preostaje da se zapitam zbog čega se strogo
zahteva od novinara da astronaute ništa ne pitaju u vezi svega toga na
konferencijama za štampu, zbog čega vazduhoplovstvo već 3. put menja
iskaz o incidentu u Rozvelu (prvi je bio da su pronašli svemirski brod),
zbog čega postoji rigorozna cenzura na državnim medijima po tom pitanju,
itd.. i ovo bi trebalo da bude sasvim dovoljno..
I sve to u zemlji u kojoj je jedan ruski špijun uspeo SAM da ubije
predsednika države, a dokumente o tome će nam dati na uvid 20?0 god.
Ako im ne veruje preko 80% Amerikanaca po tom i UFO pitanju,
zbog čega bih im ja verovao?
Uostalom, ja samo pratim šta se dogadja, dal' je to istina ili ne,
ne mogu 100% u to da proniknem ali.. nešto se dogadja, to je sigurno..
Više je nego interesantno u svakom slučaju.. ;)