diskovi.811bearboy,
-> #801, daroneJeste !
I to samo NoiseTracker 3.0.
3,5 disketu sam kopirao copywrit-om.
Ostalo nista nije radilo (valjda zbog HAM moda).
To je sve sto znam !
diskovi.812bearboy,
-> #802, dbojanJa bih ga rado poslao, ali nije ni PD, ni shareware.
On je ilegalac ! kopira sve programe (i one koje originalni proizvodjaci ne bi
hteli).
Necu da povecavam racun, pa da mi za 5 minuta neki moderator skine stvar.
PS. Zauzima 50 Kb (ARJ-ovano)
diskovi.813gbiocic,
-> #805, bulaja > Maya Golich, maybe?
Provalio si me, priznajem. Načuo sam da se i žetka napalio.
diskovi.814vkrstonosic,
-> #813, gbiocic> > Maya Golich, maybe?
> Provalio si me, priznajem. Nacuo sam da se i Cetka napalio.
Ahhhh Zooooooo, schnelaaa !!!
Molim vas samo da ne bude potpuni mrak, da bi znao koja je koja
strana. Mozda bi mogla da nosi bedz napred ? ;))
diskovi.815banex,
-> #814, vkrstonosic>> Molim vas samo da ne bude potpuni mrak, da bi znao koja je koja
>> strana. Mozda bi mogla da nosi bedz napred ? ;))
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
diskovi.816lanik,
-> #814, vkrstonosic
Ili majicu sa natpisom: "In case of rape, this side front!"
;))
diskovi.817shone,
-> #816, lanik> Ili majicu sa natpisom: "In case of rape, this side
> front!"
Ja sam bio u Beogradu pre otprilike pet-šest dana i
svratim kod drugrara na Karaburmu kad ono na vratima
preko put piše Golić. Kad sam drugaru pokazao Računare
on mi je potvrdio sumnje ;)))
diskovi.818dodicki,
da li je st 506 samo druga oznaka za AT BU
BUS¤úIuçŐš
za AT BUS
│ ů ╝ĘÝyKďďô= 4Í
diskovi.819alexa,
-> #818, dodicki > da li je st 506 samo druga oznaka za AT BU
Nije. ST506 je oznaka za stare, klasične kontrolere
( u stvari za interfejs između diska i kontrolera).
AT-BUS (tj. IDE) svuda uspešno simulira stari kontroler.
diskovi.820ognjan,
-> #819, alexa
>> ... AT-BUS (tj. IDE) svuda uspešno simulira stari kontroler.
Da li to znči da pri instalaciji UNIX-a (u čijem uputstvu piše da
radi sa ST 506 bez problema, ali se IDE ne spominje) sve SIGURNO raditi bez
frke ???
Pozdrav, Ogy.
diskovi.821alexa,
-> #820, ognjan > Da li to znči da pri instalaciji UNIX-a (u čijem uputstvu piše
> da radi sa ST 506 bez problema, ali se IDE ne spominje) sve SIGURNO
> raditi bez frke ???
Eh pa sad, nećeš valjda da tražiš odštetu?? :))
Šalu na stranu, mogu da ti potvrdim ovo za SCO XENIX/386 i
Interactive UNIX (provereno). Evo ti još jedan rezon: IDE adapteri
običNo nemaju na sebi dodatni ROM BIOS. Prema tome, kad pod DOS-om
koristiš IDE diskove, radi standardni BIOS (iz ROM-a na matičnoj
ploči), a on zna samo za ST-506 diskove. Prema tome, dabome!
Neke IDE diskove je moguće i bolje koristiti, tako da se koristi
DMA (o tome je nešto DVV pričao), ali ovo nigde nisam video :)
diskovi.822djovicevic,
Zdravo,
Imam problem sa h-diskom na novoj masini. Sumnjam da nije korektno
opisan u CMOS setup-u, pogotovu sto je stavljen kao model 47 (User
type). Nikakve papire nisam dobio za disk. Formatiran je na 101 M. Mozda
ga zeza DOS 4.01, i potreba za SHARE komandom ? Da li iko zna nesto o
disku:
TOSHIBA MK234FCH-I (HDD3034 J ZZ02)
Unapred zahvalan,
Dragan
diskovi.823zkehler,
-> #822, djovicevicŔ TOSHIBA MK234FCH-I (HDD3034 J ZZ02)
Parametri tog diska su:
845 cilindara, 7 glava, 35 sektora po traci.
Sa njima se formatira na 105.9MB.
ZK
diskovi.824djovicevic,
CD Summary Introduction
As requested by many people, I will post this CD Summary over the next
several days in five parts of which this is the first. I received
requests from rec.audio, comp.ivideodisc, and comp.graphics -- so I will
post it to all these groups. I'm not sure that it is appropriate for
comp.graphics but I DID receive multiple requests to post it there.
The summary is somewhat technical but more important it is factual: I
wrote it after reading the original CD standards documents available from
Sony or Philips to CD licensees. If you are interested in the standards
documents, you need to contact them directly -- sorry, I don't have a
specific contact or phone number.
I do work for Apple but this summary contains a minimum of Apple
references. I hope everyone agrees that the result is in keeping with net
policy on the matter.
--andy [Andy Poggio - currently poggio@metaphor.com]
CD Summary Part 1
CD-ROM Technical Summary
>From Plastic Pits to "Fantasia"
Andy Poggio
March, 1988
Abstract
This summary describes how information is encoded on Compact Disc (CD)
beginning with the physical pits and going up through higher levels of
data encoding to the structured multimedia information that is possible
with programs like HyperCard. This discussion is much broader than any
single standards document, e.g. the CD-Audio Red Book, while omitting much
of the detail needed only by drive manufacturers.
Salient Characteristics
1. High information density -- With the density achievable using optical
encoding, the CD can contain some 540 megabytes of data on a disc less
than five inches in diameter.
2. Low unit cost -- Because CDs are manufactured by a well-developed
process similar to that used to stamp out LP records, unit cost in large
quantities is less than two dollars.
3. Read only medium -- CD-ROM is read only; it cannot be written on or
erased. It is an electronic publishing, distribution, and access medium;
it cannot replace magnetic disks.
4. Modest random access performance -- Due to optical read head mass and
data encoding methods, random access ("seek time") performance of CD is
better than floppies but not as good as magnetic hard disks.
5. Robust, removable medium -- The CD itself is comprised mostly of, and
completely coated by, durable plastic. This fact and the data encoding
method allow the CD to be resistant to scratches and other handling
damage. Media lifetime is expected to be long, well beyond that of
magnetic media such as tape. In addition, the optical servo scanning
mechanism allows CDs to be removed from their drives.
6. Multimedia storage -- Because all CD data is stored digitally, it is
inherently multimedia in that it can store text, images, graphics, sound,
and any other information expressed in digital form. Its only limit in
this area is the rate at which data can be read from the disc, currently
about 150 KBytes/second. This is sufficient for all but uncompressed,
full motion color video.
CD Data Hierarchy
Storing data on a CD may be thought of as occurring through a data
encoding hierarchy with each level built upon the previous one. At the
lowest level, data is physically stored as pits on the disc. It is
actually encoded by several low-level mechanisms to provide high storage
density and reliable data recovery. At the next level, it organized into
tracks which may be digital audio or CD-ROM. The High Sierra
specification then defines a file system built on CD-ROM tracks. Finally,
applications like HyperCard specify a content format for files.
The Physical Medium
The Compact Disc itself is a thin plastic disk some 12 cm. in diameter.
Information is encoded in a plastic-encased spiral track contained on the
top of the disk. The spiral track is read optically by a noncontact head
which scans approximately radially as the disk spins just above it. The
spiral is scanned at a constant linear velocity thus assuring a constant
data rate. This requires the disc to rotate at a decreasing rate as the
spiral is scanned from its beginning near the center of the disc to its
end near the disc circumference.
The spiral track contains shallow depressions, called pits, in a
reflective layer. Binary information is encoded by the lengths of these
pits and the lengths of the areas between them, called land. During
reading, a low power laser beam from the optical head is focused on the
spiral layer and is reflected back into the head. Due to the optical
characteristics of the plastic disc and the wavelength of light used, the
quantity of reflected light varies depending on whether the beam is on
land or on a pit. The modulated, reflected light is converted to a radio
frequency, raw data signal by a photodetector in the optical head.
Low-level Data Encoding
To ensure accurate recovery, the disc data must be encoded to optimize the
analog-to-digital conversion process that the radio frequency signal must
undergo. Goals of the low level data encoding include:
1. High information density. This requires encoding that makes the best
possible use of the high, but limited, resolution of the laser beam and
read head optics.
2. Minimum intersymbol interference. This requires making the minimum
run length, i.e. the minimum number of consecutive zero bits or one bits,
as large as possible.
3. Self-clocking. To avoid a separate timing track, the data should be
encoded so as to allow the clock signal to be regenerated from the data
signal. This requires limiting the maximum run length of the data so that
data transitions will regenerate the clock.
4. Low digital sum value (the number of one bits minus the number of zero
bits). This minimizes the low frequency and DC content of the data signal
which permits optimal servo system operation.
A straightforward encoding would be to simply to encode zero bits as land
and one bits as pits. However, this does not meet goal (1) as well as the
encoding scheme actually used. The current CD scheme encodes one bits as
transitions from pit to land or land to pit and zero bits as constant pit
or constant land.
To meet goals (2) to (4), it is not possible to encode arbitrary binary
data. For example, the integer 0 expressed as thirty-two bits of zero
would have too long a run length to satisfy goal (3). To accommodate
these goals, each eight-bit byte of actual data is encoded as fourteen
bits of channel data. There are many more combinations of fourteen bits
(16,384) than there are of eight bits (256). To encode the eight-bit
combinations, 256 combinations of fourteen bits are chosen that meet the
goals. This encoding is referred to as Eight-to-Fourteen Modulation (EFM)
coding.
If fourteen channel bits were concatenated with another set of fourteen
channel bits, once again the above goals may not be met. To avoid this
possibility, three merging bits are included between each set of fourteen
channel bits. These merging bits carry no information but are chosen to
limit run length, keep data signal DC content low, etc. Thus, an eight
bit byte of actual data is encoded into a total of seventeen channel bits:
fourteen EFM bits and three merging bits.
To achieve a reliable self-clocking system, periodic synchronization is
necessary. Thus, data is broken up into individual frames each beginning
with a synchronization pattern. Each frame also contains twenty-four data
bytes, eight error correction bytes, a control and display byte (carrying
the subcoding channels), and merging bits separating them all. Each frame
is arranged as follows:
Sync Pattern24 + 3channel bits
Control and Display byte14 + 3
Data bytes12 * (14 + 3)
Error Correction bytes 4 * (14 + 3)
Data bytes12 * (14 + 3)
Error Correction bytes 4 * (14 + 3)
TOTAL588channel bits
Thus, 192 actual data bits (24 bytes) are encoded as 588 channel bits.
Editorial: A CD physically has a single spiral track about 3 miles long.
CDs spin at about 500 RPM when reading near the center down to about 250
RPM when reading near the circumference.
Disc with a 'c' or disk with a 'k'? A usage has emerged for these terms:
disk is used for eraseable disks (e.g. magnetic disks) while disc is used
for read-only (e.g. CD-ROM discs). One would presumably call a frisbee a
disc.
First Level Error Correction
Data errors can arise from production defects in the disk itself, defects
arising from subsequent damage to the disk, or jarring during reading. A
significant characteristic of these errors is that they often occur in
long bursts. This could be due, for example, to a relatively wide mark on
the disc that is opaque to the laser beam used to read the disc. A system
with two logical components called the Cross Interleave Reed-Solomon
Coding (CIRC) is employed for error correction. The cross interleave
component breaks up the long error bursts into many short errors; the
Reed-Solomon component provides the error correction.
As each frame is read from the disc, it is first decoded from fourteen
channel bits (the three merging bits are ignored) into eight-bit data
bytes. Then, the bytes from each frame (twenty-four data bytes and eight
error correction bytes) are passed to the first Reed-Solomon decoder which
uses four of the error correction bytes and is able to correct one byte in
error out of the 32. If there are no uncorrectable errors, the data is
simply passed along. If there are errors, the data is marked as being in
error at this stage of decoding.
The twenty-four data bytes and four remaining error correction bytes are
then passed through unequal delays before going through another
Reed-Solomon decoder. These unequal delays result in an interleaving of
the data that spreads long error bursts among many different passes
through the second decoder. The delays are such that error bursts up to
450 bytes long can be completely corrected. The second Reed-Solomon
decoder uses the last four error correction bytes to correct any remaining
errors in the twenty-four data bytes. At this point, the data goes
through a de-interleaving process to restore the correct byte order.
Subcoding Channels and Blocks
The eight-bit control and display byte in each frame carries the subcoding
channels. A subcoding block consists of 98 subcoding bytes, and thus 98
of the 588-bit frames. A block then can contain 2352 bytes of data.
Seventy-five blocks are read each second. With this information, it is
now straightforward to calculate that the CD data rate is in fact correct
for CD digital audio (CD-DA):
Required CD digital audio data rate: 44.1 K samples per second * 16 bits
per sample * 2 channels = 1,411,200 bits/sec.
CD data rate: 8 bits per byte * 24 bytes per frame * 98 frames per
subcoding block * 75 subcoding blocks per second = 1,411,200 bits/sec.
The eight subcoding channels are labeled P through W and are encoded one
bit for each channel in a control and display byte. Channel P is used as
a simple music track separator. Channel Q is used for control purposes
and encodes information like track number, track type, and location
(minute, second, and frame number). During the lead-in track of the disc,
channel Q encodes a table of contents for the disk giving track number and
starting location. Standards have been proposed that would use the
remaining channels for line graphics and ASCII character strings, but
these are seldom used.
Track Types
Tracks can have two types as specified in the control bit field of
subchannel Q. The first type is CD digital audio (CD-DA) tracks. The
two-channel audio is sampled at 44.1 Khz with sixteen bit linear sampling
encoded as twos complement numbers. The sixteen bit samples are separated
into two eight-bit bytes; the bytes from each channel alternate on the
disc. Variations for audio tracks include pre-emphasis and four track
recording.
The other type of track specified by the subchannel Q control bit field is
the data track. These must conform to the CD-ROM standard described
below. In general, a disc can have a mix of CD digital audio tracks and a
CD-ROM track, but the CD-ROM track must come first.
Editorial: This first level error correction (the only type used for CD
Audio data) is extremely powerful. The CD specification allows for discs
to have up to 220 raw errors per second. Every one of these errors is
(almost always) perfectly corrected by the CIRC scheme for a net error
rate of zero. For example, our tests using Apple's CD-ROM drive (which
also plays audio) show that raw error rates are around 50-100 per second
these days. Of course, these are perfectly corrected, meaning that the
original data is perfectly recovered. We have tested flawed discs with
raw rates up to 300 per second. Net errors on all of these discs? Zero!
I would expect a typical audio CD player to perform similarly. Thus I
expect this raw error rate to have no audible consequences.
So why did I say "almost always" corrected above? Because a sufficiently
bad flaw may produce uncorrectable errors. These very unusual errors are
"concealed" by the player rather than corrected. Note that this
concealment is likely to be less noticeable than even a single scratch on
an LP. Such a flaw might be a really opaque finger smudge; CDs do merit
careful handling. On the two (and only two) occasions I have found these,
I simply sprayed on a little Windex glass cleaner and wiped it off using
radial strokes. This restored the CDs to zero net errors.
One can argue about the quality of the process of conversion of analog
music to and from digital representation, but in the digital domain CDs
are really very, very good.
CD-ROM Data Tracks
Each CD-ROM data track is divided into individually addressable blocks of
2352 data bytes, i.e. one subcoding block or 98 frames. A header in each
block contains the block address and the mode of the block. The block
address is identical to the encoding of minute, second, and frame number
in subcode channel Q. The modes defined in the CD-ROM specification are:
Mode 0 -- all data bytes are zero.
Mode 1 -- (CD-ROM Data):
Sync Field - 12 bytes
Header Field - 4
User Data Field - 2048
Error Detection Code - 4
Reserved - 8
Error Correction - 276
Mode 2 -- (CD Audio or Other Data):
Sync Field - 12 bytes
Header Field - 4
User Data Field - 2048
Auxiliary Data Field - 288
Thus, mode 1 defines separately addressable, physical 2K byte data blocks
making CD-ROM look at this level very similar to other digital mass
storage devices.
Second Level Error Correction
An uncorrected error in audio data typically results in a brief, often
inaudible click during listening at worst. An uncorrected error in other
kinds of data, for example program code, may render a CD unusable. For
this reason, CD-ROM defines a second level of error detection and error
correction (EDC/ECC) for mode 1 data. The information for the EDC/ECC
occupies most of the auxiliary data field.
The error detection code is a cyclic redundancy check (CRC) on the sync,
header, and user data. It occupies the first four bytes of the auxiliary
data field and provides a very high probability that uncorrected errors
will be detected. The error correction code is essentially the same as
the first level error correction in that interleaving and Reed-Solomon
coding are used. It occupies the final 276 bytes of the auxiliary data
field.
Editorial: This extra level of error correction for CD-ROM blocks is one
of the many reasons that CD-ROM drives are much more expensive than
consumer audio players. To perform this error correction quickly requires
substantial extra computing power (sometimes a dedicated microprocessor)
in the drive.
This is also one reason that consumer players like the Magnavoxes which
claim to be CD-ROM compatible (with their digital output jack on the back)
are useless for that purpose. They have no way of dealing with the CD-ROM
error correction. They also have no way for a computer to tell them where
to seek.
Another reason that CD-ROM drives are more expensive is that they are
built to be a computer peripheral rather than a consumer device, i.e. like
a combination race car/truck rather than a family sedan. One story,
probably apocryphal but not far from the truth, has it that a major
Japanese manufacturer tested some consumer audio players to simulate
computer use: they made them seek (move the optical head) from the inside
of the CD to the outside and back again. These are called maximum seeks.
The story says they managed to do this for about 24 hours before they
broke down. A CD-ROM drive needs to be several orders of magnitude more
robust. Fast and strong don't come cheap.
The High Sierra File System Standard
Built on top of the addressable 2K blocks that the CD-ROM specification
defines, the next higher level of data encoding is a file system that
permits logical organization of the data on the CD. This can be a native
file system like the Macintosh Hierarchical File System (HFS). Another
alternative is the High Sierra (also known as the ISO 9660) file standard,
recently approved by the National Information Standards Organization
(NISO) and the International Standards Organization (ISO), which defines a
file system carefully tuned to CD characteristics. In particular:
1. CDs have modest seek time and high capacity. As a result, the High
Sierra standard makes tradeoffs that reduce the number of seeks needed to
read a file at the expense of space efficiency.
2. CDs are read-only. Thus, concerns like space allocation, file
deletion, and the like are not addressed in the specification.
For High Sierra file systems, each individual CD is a volume. Several CDs
may be grouped together in a volume set and there is a mechanism for
subsequent volumes in a set to update preceding ones. Volumes can contain
standard file structures, coded character set file structures for
character encoding other than ASCII, or boot records. Boot records can
contain either data or program code that may be needed by systems or
applications.
High Sierra Directories and Files
The file system is a hierarchical one in which directories may contain
files or other directories. Each volume has a root directory which serves
as an ancestor to all other directories or files in the volume. This
dictates an overall tree structure for the volume.
A typical disadvantage in hierarchical systems is that to read a file
(which must be a leaf of the hierarchy tree) given its full path name, it
is necessary to begin at the root directory and search through each of its
ancestral directories until the entry for the file is found. For example,
given the path name "Wine Regions:America:California:Mendocino", three
directories (the first three components of the path name) would need to be
searched. Typically, a separate seek would be required for each
directory. This would result in relatively poor performance.
To avoid this, High Sierra specifies that each volume contain a path table
in addition to its directories and files. The path table describes the
directory hierarchy in a compact form that may be cached in computer
memory for optimum performance. The path table contains entries for the
volume's directories in a breadth-first order; directories with a common
parent are listed in lexicographic order. Each entry contains only the
location of the directory it describes, its name, and the location in the
path table of its parent. This mechanism allows any directory to be
accessed with only a single CD seek.
Directories contain more detailed information than the path table. Each
directory entry contains:
Directory or file location.
File length.
Date and time of creation.
Name of the file.
Flags:
Whether the entry is for a file or a directory.
Whether or not it is an associated file.
Whether or not it has records.
Whether or not it has read protection.
Whether or not it has subsequent extents.
Interleave structure of the file.
Interleaving may be used, for example, to meet realtime requirements for
multiple files whose contents must be presented simultaneously. This
would happen if a file containing graphic images were interleaved with a
file containing compressed sound that describes the images.
Files themselves are recorded in contiguous (or interleaved) blocks on the
disc. The read-only nature of CD permits this contiguous recording in a
straightforward manner. A file may also be recorded in a series of
noncontiguous extents with a directory entry for each extent.
The specification does not favor any particular computer architecture. In
particular all significant, multibyte numbers are recorded twice, once
with the most significant byte first and once with the least significant
byte first.
Multimedia Information
Using the file system are applications that create and portray multimedia
information. While it is true that a CD can store anything that a
magnetic disk can store (and usually much more of it), CDs will be used
more for storing information than for storing programs. It is the very
large storage capacity of CDs coupled with their low cost that opens up
the possibilities for interactive, multimedia information to be used in a
multitude of ways.
Programs like HyperCard, with it's ease of authoring and broad
extensibility, are very useful for this purpose. Hypercard stacks, with
related information such as color images and sound, can be easily and
inexpensively stored on CDs despite their possibly very large size.
Editorial: The High Sierra file system gets its name from the location of
the first meeting on it: the High Sierra Hotel at Lake Tahoe. It is much
more commonly referred to as ISO 9660, though the two specifications are
slightly different.
It has gotten very easy and inexpensive to make a CD-ROM disc (or audio
CD). For example, you can now take a Macintosh hard disk and send it with
$1500 to one of several CD pressers. They will send you back your hard
disk and 100 CDs with exactly the same content as what's on your disk.
This is the easy way to make CDs with capacity up to the size of your hard
disk (Apple's go up to 160 megabytes). True, this is not a full CD but
CDs don't need to be full. If you have just 10 megabytes and need 100
copies, CDs may be the best way to go.
If you are buying a CD-ROM drive, there are several factors you might
consider in making your choice. Two factors NOT to consider are capacity
and data rate. The capacity of all CD-ROM drives is determined solely by
the CD they are reading. Though you will see a range of numbers in
manufacturers' specs (e.g. 540, 550, 600, and 650 Mbytes), any drive can
read any disc and so they are all fundamentally the same. All CD-ROM
drives read data at a net 150 Kbytes/sec for CD-ROM data. Other data
rates you may see may include error correction data (not included in the
net rate) or may be a mode 2 data rate (faster than mode 1). All drives
will be the same in all of these specs.
diskovi.825fric,
-> #824, djovicevicKeep up the good work, but please ...
Ovako duuge info šalji kao fajlove prikačene uz poruke, a u poruci opis
ili kratak izvod. Pa koga zanima neka dl-duje posebno, a koga ne - ne
mora da uzalud skida tolike kilobajte (55 kb u dve poruke = mnogo).
A kad se već skida - neka ide kao fajl, a ne da opterećuje bazu SOR-a.
A ja se čudio kako to: pad velik - a samo 35 novih poruka :)
pozdrav, fric
diskovi.826bearboy,
-> #825, fric> Keep up the good work, but please ...
>
> Ovako duuge info salji kao fajlove prikacene uz poruke, a
> u poruci opis
A meni prebacuju da mi je potpis dug ! Ha !
diskovi.827nick,
Mozda je ovo malo bajato ali ipak:
Da li je neko koristio ili ima program STACKER (valjda se ovako zove i pise)
koji navodno udvostrucava kapacitet diska?!
Nick
diskovi.828vpetrovic,
Imam jedan problem. Spinrite kaze da moj disk koristi ERLL
kodiranje
podataka, ali da kontroler se pretvara da je MFM i daje lažne podatke
kompjuteru, tako da Spinrite ne može da izvrši low-level format bez
gubljenja
podataka. Jel' postoji način da moj kontroler postane dobar i govori
istinu,
istinu i samo istinu, pa da Spinrite radi lepo?
Vlada
diskovi.829bearboy,
-> #827, nick> Mozda je ovo malo bajato ali ipak:
> Da li je neko koristio ili ima program STACKER (valjda se
> ovako zove i pise) koji navodno udvostrucava kapacitet
> diska?!
Ja ga intenzivno koristim. Sta treba ?
PS. Stvarno udvostrucava HD.
diskovi.830nick,
-> #829, bearboy> Ja ga intenzivno koristim. Sta treba ?
>
> PS. Stvarno udvostrucava HD.
Prvo hvala sto si se javio!!!
Zanima me na kom principu radi, kako se instalira,
da li i koliko usporava disk i kakva je druga strana
medalje tj. ima li razloga da se ne koristi?
Mozda bi najbolje bilo da uz odgovor prikacis i neki
doc file ako ga ima u samom Stackeru.
Pozdrav, Nick
p.s. koliki (kb) je sam Stacker
.
diskovi.831najmrciji,
-> #829, bearboy=> Ja ga intenzivno koristim. Sta treba ?
Gud mining.
Ostalo mi je 4,3 Mb na hardu pa i mene interesuje to žUDO.
Šta taj program uradi ?
Ima li problema ?
Mora li se ponovo formatirat HD ? ( SKINI SVE SA HD-a PA FORMAT ?)
Najmrciji
P.S. Jel taj program SW/PD ?????
diskovi.832macak,
-> #831, najmrciji>Ostalo mi je 4.3MBĘ...
Ocigledno je da ti treba NOVI HA│RD (i to malo veci ),a ne neki program
za udvostrucavanje kaĘpac╗┌teta :))))))))))))
diskovi.833ssokorac,
-> #832, macak -=)>> Ostalo mi je 4.3MBĘ...
-=)> Ocigledno je da ti treba NOVI HA│RD (i to malo veci
-=)> ),a ne neki program za udvostrucavanje kaĘpac╗┌teta
-=)> :))))))))))))
Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to već 3 meseca... šmrc.
diskovi.834bearboy,
-> #830, nick>> PS. Stvarno udvostrucava HD.
>
> Prvo hvala sto si se javio!!!
>
> Zanima me na kom principu radi, kako se instalira,
> da li i koliko usporava disk i kakva je druga strana
> medalje tj. ima li razloga da se ne koristi?
> Mozda bi najbolje bilo da uz odgovor prikacis i neki
> doc file ako ga ima u samom Stackeru.
>
> Pozdrav, Nick
>
> p.s. koliki (kb) je sam Stacker
Uf, ovo ce biti dugacko (tako ti je to, kad pitas experta)
1. Kad ga instaliras, on sve kompresuje na HD-u, stavi sebe u RAM, i kad DOS
potrazi neki file, Stacker ga presretne, dekompresira, i da DOS-u file onako
nekompresiran. (mozes da experimentises sa SLIM-om (slicno), al je on mnooooogo
sporiji, posto dekompresuje fajl, zapise ga, pa ge tek onda procita program).
Bajtovi su prikazani realno, a Stacker laze DOS-u da ima dva puta vise mesta
nego zapravo (tj. ne kaze da je podatke na disku smanjio, nego da je disk
povecao).
2. Ja ga koristim 2 meseca, i dosad mi se NIJE desilo nista sto bi me odvratilo
od njega, sta vise, sad ne mogu ni da zivim bez njega ! (ima ugradeni
keser,itd,
pa se desi da je cak BRZI nego nego kad se radi redovno bez njega !!!!!!!!!!!)
Inace vreme je otprilike isto, ili nesto brze (ako bi trebalo vise vremena, on
ostavlja program nekompresovano). O brzini: ako imas bar 16 Mhz AT, bice sve
OK.
Ako je nesto sporije, ondak treba malo razmisliti, pa kupiti karticu za njega.
A ako imas bar redovan 386, fura k'o mlaznjak !
3. Dosta je dugacak (200k kompresovano)
4. On sam zauzima oko Mb na disku (sa dokumentacijom)
PS. Ipak 'edna mana. Moze se istalirati SAMO sa originalnih disketa, a njih
nemam (izgubio sam ih O:), a bekap mi je isto za moj racunar. Ako ti bas jako
treba, mogu nesto da ischachkam od poznanika, Ok ?
diskovi.835bearboy,
-> #831, najmrciji> Gud mining.
> Ostalo mi je 4,3 Mb na hardu pa i mene interesuje to CUDO.
> Sta taj program uradi ?
> Ima li problema ?
> Mora li se ponovo formatirat HD ? ( SKINI SVE SA HD-a PA
> FORMAT ?)
>
> Najmrciji
> P.S. Jel taj program SW/PD ?????
Pogledaj moju poruku Nicku, tamo ces pronaci sta ti treba.
PS. Sad se setih : NE treba formatirati HD, za instaliranje je dovoljno da imas
200 kb praznog na disku (manijakalno, zar ne ?).
PPS. Na opstu zalost (pretpostavljam), nije ni SW, ni PD. Ja sam ga nabavio iz
Madarske (tamo kosta oko 20,000 forinti), tako da nije bas jeftin. Ako se
kupuje i kartica uz njega (veca brzina, efikasnija kompresija), ondak
kosta
40,000 forinti.
PPPS. JESTE CUDO (Miracle of the World) !
diskovi.836bearboy,
-> #832, macak>> Ostalo mi je 4.3MBĘ...
> Ocigledno je da ti treba NOVI HA│RD (i to malo veci ),a ne
> neki program za udvostrucavanje kaĘpac╗┌teta :))))))))))))
Nemoj da mi govoris/pises protiv Stackera !
Ps. davaj savete kad ne dajes toliko smeca !
diskovi.837bearboy,
-> #833, ssokorac> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca...
> smrc.
E to je vec problem. Treba barem 200kb, ili ti ne preostaje nista drugo nego
FORMAT C:
PS. Ja sam stalno imao oko 400k praznog, pa kad sam dobio stacker, plasio sam
se da nesto ne zaje*e, al' sad imam 40 Mb praznog ! (i drzim sigrice na disku)
diskovi.838dgrbic,
-> #828, vpetrovic:: podataka, ali da kontroler se pretvara da je MFM i daje
:: lazne podatke
Koji disk i koji kontroler?
Treba dati malo vise podataka, kad se trazi pomoc...
diskovi.839bearboy,
-> #835, bearboy Sad setih (po drugi put) :
Moze se instalirati na dva nacina :
1. Da sve kompresuje.
2. Da se kompresuje samo ono sto stigne posle instalacije.
+ za pricip :
Ako imate DOS koji NE zna za particije vece od 32 Mb (DOS 3.30 <=), onda je
stvar malo komplikovanija, naime Stacker u tom slucaju 'napravi' jos jedan
drive !!!!!! (na starom drajvu ostaje sve isto (naizgled))
Npr. Imate HD od 40 Mb i DOS 3.30. C drajv vam je od 32, a D od 8 Mb.
Instalirate Stacker i dobijate :
C drive : 32 Mb
D drive : 16 Mb
E drive!: 32 Mb
diskovi.840isekulovic,
-> #833, ssokorac>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca... smrc.
Covece kako izdrzavas sa tim? A jel si sabio .exe i .com
fileove sa pklite?
ivan
diskovi.841vpetrovic,
-> #838, dgrbic Jedino što znam je da je disk od 30 Mb. Za kontroler ne znam jer nigde
nepiše. To je inače PS/1.
Vlada
diskovi.842dnikolic,
-> #840, isekulovic>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca... smrc.
XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.
dn
P.S. 211 MB
diskovi.843gkod,
-> #842, dnikolic>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca... smrc.
>>>>>XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.<<<<<<
>>>>>P.S. 211 MB<<<<<<
Jesi li siguran da je i to dosta ?????
diskovi.844dgrbic,
-> #841, vpetrovic:: Jedino sto znam je da je disk od 30 Mb. Za kontroler ne
:: znam jer nigde nepise. To je inace PS/1.
Zaboravi low-level format!
IBM u seriju PS ugradjuje IDE kontroler na manje racunare (PS/1,
PS/2 modeli 30/286, 50 i cini mi se 60), a na vece ugradjuje
ESDI.
Uostalom, sta ce ti low level format uopste?
Znam da je taj disk tragicno spor, ali ako hoces da
eksperimentises sa interleave faktorom, ne verujem da ces imati
mnogo uspeha.
IBM je napravio losu seriju "jeftinih" racunara, za one koji bas
hoce da imaju IBM, ali nece da plate za njihove sasvim dobre
racunare sa oznakom PS/2 70 i slicno, koji su takodje preskupi.
Bolje pokusaj sa kesiranjem diska, sigurnije je od low level
formata na disku o kome ne znas nista osim kapaciteta.
diskovi.845ssokorac,
-> #842, dnikolic -=)>>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3
-=)>>>>> meseca... smrc.
-=)> XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.
-=)> P.S. 211 MB
:((( Eh, a gde ono stanuješ? I kad nisi kod kuće? Ključ stavi, recimo,
pored vrata pa mi javi, da dodjem da ga 'podignem'...:))
Stasha
diskovi.846ssokorac,
-> #840, isekulovic -=)> Covece kako izdrzavas sa tim? A jel si sabio .exe i
-=)> .com fileove sa pklite?
-=)> ivan
Pa, veoma teško...:((( A, zar pklite ne usporava (mnogo) Hard? Nisam
ih sabio.
Stasha
diskovi.847ssokorac,
-> #842, dnikolic -=)>>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3
-=)>>>>> meseca... smrc.
-=)> XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.
-=)> P.S. 211 MB
:((( Eh, a gde ono stanuješ? I kad nisi kod kuće? Ključ stavi, recimo,
pored vrata pa mi javi, da dodjem da ga 'podignem'...:))
Stasha
diskovi.848ssokorac,
-> #840, isekulovic -=)> Covece kako izdrzavas sa tim? A jel si sabio .exe i
-=)> .com fileove sa pklite?
-=)> ivan
Pa, veoma teško...:((( A, zar pklite ne usporava (mnogo) Hard? Nisam
ih sabio.
Stasha
diskovi.849zstevan,
U prilici sam da biram izmedju dva Seagate 251-1 diska i dva Western
Digital WD95044-A diska. Po osnovnim karakteristikama su isti (42Mb, 28ms),
a posle 10 sati testiranja sam zakljucio da su i po ostalim karakteristikama
manje-vise isti (mozda malu prednost ima WD). Naravno odlucio sam se za WD,
medjutim neke stvari oko njega su me pokolebale.
Ono sto me je najvise pokolebalo je to sto iako se disk jos uvek proi-
zvodi (datum na jednom od diskova je 21.06.91), po americkim casopisima niko
ga ne prodaje. Pregledao sam par brojeva ovogodisnjih Computer Shoperer-a,
i u svim oglasima gde se prodaje WD (a ima ih jako puno) se prodaje iskljucivo
model WD93044-A (od modela WD95044-A koji ja imam ni traga). Model WD93044-A
je ocigledno zamena za model koji ja imam jer ima iste osnovne karakteristike
(42Mb, 28ms) i isto kuciste (spoljasnji izgled je isti). Usput model WD93044-A
je bio testiran u Racunarima br.70 i nije bas najbolje prosao.
Da li to sto je model dobio zamenu i TO STO GA NIKO NE NUDI (BAR U
AMERICI) IAKO SE JOS UVEK PROIZVODI ZNACI DA JE U PITANJU MODEL SA NEKIM NEDO-
STATKOM, DA JE NEPOUZDAN I SL ? Kao dodatak svemu ovome jos i to da u THEREF-u
u listi hardova, podaci o WD95044-A su vrlo sturi, dok su podaci o WD95044-A
potpuni.
Zna li neko nesto vise o ovome sto bi mi pomoglo da se odlucim?
Pozdrav zstevan
diskovi.850ilazarevic,
-> #842, dnikolic█ P.S. 211 MB
--> Hard disk - the final frontier! <--
diskovi.851nick,
-> #839, bearboyHvala na opsirnom odgovoru.
Pozdrav, Nick
diskovi.852dperkovic,
-> #847, ssokoracU bre ceo exec si poslao dva puta !
DejanP
diskovi.853dperkovic,
-> #842, dnikolic>>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca...
> smrc.
>
> XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.
> dn
>
> P.S. 211 MB
Koliko si ga platio i gde (ako nije tajna)?
DejanP
diskovi.854kermit,
Jel ima neko uputstvo za MICROPOLIS 1375? Ne znam kako da ga setujem da
bide nulti.
diskovi.855predrag,
-> #849, zstevan>> je ocigledno zamena za model koji ja imam jer ima iste
>> osnovne karakteristike (42Mb, 28ms) i isto kuciste
>> (spoljasnji izgled je isti). Usput model WD93044-A je bio
>> testiran u Racunarima br.70 i nije bas najbolje prosao.
Ja imam WD-93044-a.On formatiran ima 43 mb (33.413+9.638)
Na njemu pise da je made in Singapure.Datum:5-10-1990.
Imam ga godinu dana i radi KAO SAT (shafthausen).Kupljen u Nemackoj.
PREDPOSTAVLJAM da je ..95 varijanta ali da nije pravljen
u SINGAPURU nego negde drugo.
Racunar moj je 386-sx i ima IME-high screen-pogledaj neki
broj nemackog CHIP-A i prve stranice prodaje ga firma VOBIS.
Ja sam ga kupio u robnoj kuci SATURN HANSA koja prodaje i
vobisove proizvode.Posto je to robna kuca tu se kupuje
NA KILO(veliki broj prodatih primeraka) pa ne verujem
DA BI UGRADILI HARD DISK KOJI NEVALJA.
ZA Seagate je poenta u tome sto se pravi u nemackoj(fabrika)
pa ga SITNE FIRME dobijaju za jeftine pare DIREKTNO.
Neke MNOGO BOLJE STVARI(americke) te sitne firme ne mogu da
uzmu direktno vec preko VELIKIH DEALERA.A ti veliki se ne zezaju
sa malim firmama jel imaju mali promet.
ps: Zar ti verujes ono sto testiraju racunari ?.
Ja samo stranim casopisima (chip,byte,...).
diskovi.856gkod,
-> #849, zstevan Za WD neznam, ali ti ne preporcujem Seagate 251-1. Ima problema sa step
motorom posle izvesnog vremena. Tako da moras da upotrebis balkansku tehiku
( macolu ) kako bi ga pokrenuo. Ovo je pouzdani podatak. Video sam vise prime-
raka sa tim kvarom.
GK
diskovi.857dperkovic,
-> #856, gkod> Za WD neznam, ali ti ne preporcujem Seagate 251-1. Ima
> problema sa step motorom posle izvesnog vremena. Tako da
> moras da upotrebis balkansku tehiku ( macolu ) kako bi ga
> pokrenuo. Ovo je pouzdani podatak. Video sam vise prime-
> raka sa tim kvarom.
Ja ga imam i mogu reci da je pouzdan i da mi za godinu i po
nije pravio nikakve probleme (koliko se secam jedna druga generacija
Seagate-ovih diskova je imala takve probleme).
Inace moj HD ima samo jedan Bad Cluster a tgovac mi ,kad sam kupovao,
rece da obicno ima dosta vise ,jel tako ?
DejanP
diskovi.858skoprivica,
-> #842, dnikolic>->>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca... smrc.
>->
>-> XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.
>-> dn
>->
>-> P.S. 211 MB
Pa nisam bas siguran da je to resenje, video sam disk od 210 MB
na kome ima (na svim particijama) ukupno 5 MB slobodno. Vecina
manje potrebnih (koriscenih) stvari je zip ili arj.
Ajd' pa zdravo... CTEBO.
PS: Od koje poruke pocinje rasprava o STACKERu? Da vas ne pitam
mnoge stvari, nego da skinem i citam.
Jel' to 100% pouzdano ?
Jel' mora biti rezidentan da bi sve radilo?
Jel' mora da se FORMAT C: (etc.) da bi radilo?....
diskovi.859lanik,
-> #856, gkod
Da, neki Seagate hardovi imaju frku ako se ne pristupa disku duže
vreme. Zakoči se motor (ili tako nešto) i neće da radi dok ga ne
isključiš/uključiš. Na ST-u imamo program koji je baš napravljen za te
Seagate-ove koji imaju dotični bug - program je TSR i svakih par minuta
posle neaktivnosti HD-a malo "provrti" motor da se ne bi zakočio...
Evo šta piše u dokumentaciji za program:
----------------------------------------
DC No-Stic (No Stiction) v1.0
Copyright (c) 1991 Double Click Software
Program by Michael B. Vederman and Keith Gerdes
=============================================================================
DC No-Stic is designed to prevent hard disk stiction.
Stiction is when your hard disk head sticks in one place. (big trouble)
Seagate drives suffered from this phenomenon.
Recently, some hard disk manufacturers began putting in logic in their
controller ROMs to prevent stiction from occuring. Basically, they move the
hard disk heads around after a length of disk inactivity.
DC No-Stic will move the hard disk heads around after 5 minutes of hard disk
inactivity.
============
HOW IT WORKS
============
DC No-Stic will monitor hard disk activity. Once all hard disk activity has
stopped, DC No-Stic will start counting. When 5 minutes has elapsed,
DC No-Stic will seek to the beginning and end of each partition on all hard
disks connected.
NOTE: It will not be able to tell a RAMdisk from a hard disk. (No big deal)
--------------------------------------------
Verujem da bi se isti program veoma lako mogao napraviti i za
PC-ja...
BTW ja imam Seagate 1096N (SCSI) i nema ovaj bug - verovatno to
imaju samo neki stari modeli.
pozdrav,
Dalibor
--> Well, as long as there's sex and drugs,
--> I could do without the rock 'n roll.
diskovi.860ssokorac,
-> #852, dperkovic -=)> U bre ceo exec si poslao dva puta !
-=)>
-=)> DejanP
Mala greška....
diskovi.861spantic,
-> #857, dperkovic> Inace moj HD ima samo jedan Bad Cluster a tgovac mi ,kad
> sam kupovao, rece da obicno ima dosta vise ,jel tako ?
Probaj da pređeš na FUJITSU diskove. Oni nemaju nijedan, "obično".
diskovi.863dnikolic,
-> #856, gkod>> Za WD neznam, ali ti ne preporcujem Seagate 251-1. Ima problema sa step
>> motorom posle izvesnog vremena. Tako da moras da upotrebis balkansku
>> tehiku ( macolu ) kako bi ga pokrenuo. Ovo je pouzdani podatak. Video sam
>> vise prime- raka sa tim kvarom.
Moj je godinama radio bez greske.
dn
diskovi.864dnikolic,
-> #853, dperkovic>> Koliko si ga platio i gde (ako nije tajna)?
Jedan moj drugar se bavi prodajom tih igrackica i kod njega kosta 1660 DEM.
Za ostale informacije, ukoliko te zanimaju javi se mail-om.
Pozdrav, dn.
diskovi.865zkehler,
-> #843, gkodŔ >>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca... smrc.
Ŕ >>>>> XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.<<<<<<
Ŕ >>>>> P.S. 211 MB<<<<<<
Ŕ Jesi li siguran da je i to dosta ?????
Nije, definitivno!
ZK
diskovi.866zkehler,
-> #854, kermitŔ Jel ima neko uputstvo za MICROPOLIS 1375? Ne znam kako da ga setujem
Ŕ da bide nulti.
IDE, SCSI ili ESDI (ili, ne daj bože, MFM/RLL)?
ZK
diskovi.867drpr,
-> #861, spantic-> Probaj da pređeš na FUJITSU diskove. Oni nemaju nijedan,
-> "obično".
Možeš da budeš pametan pa da kupiš QUANTUM AT105 ko ja ;)
drpr
diskovi.868ssokorac,
-> #863, dnikolic -=)>>> Za WD neznam, ali ti ne preporcujem Seagate 251-1.
-=)>>> Ima problema sa step motorom posle izvesnog vremena.
-=)>>> Tako da moras da upotrebis balkansku tehiku ( macolu
-=)>>> ) kako bi ga pokrenuo. Ovo je pouzdani podatak.
-=)>>> Video sam vise prime- raka sa tim kvarom.
-=)>
-=)> Moj je godinama radio bez greske.
žž žžžžž
Više ne radi?
diskovi.869isekulovic,
-> #846, ssokorac>> Pa, veoma tesko...:((( A, zar pklite ne usporava (mnogo) Hard? Nisam
>> ih sabio.
Cuo sam da mnogo usporava ali mi se cini i da je tako bolje nego ziveti
sa slobodnih 10Kb. Ja nisam u tolikoj oskudici memoriji pa sam sabijao
probe radi samo neke datoteke. Velicinski ih sabije odlicno. Sto se tice
usporavanja znam samo da usporava scan i to osetno.
ivan
ps sad kad procitah ovo videh da sam bio dvosmislen sto se tice scan-a.
Nisam njega sabijao nego on duze proverava sabijene datoteke.
diskovi.870kermit,
Micropolis 1375 je SCSI disk 170 Mb neformatirano. Nisam tražio mišljenje
nego uputstvo za raspored džampera
diskovi.871dnikolic,
-> #868, ssokorac>> -=)> Moj je godinama radio bez greske.
>> CC CCCCC
>> Vise ne radi?
:))) Ne brate, nabavio sam disk veceg kapaciteta. Prodao sam ga komsiji i on ga
jos uvek koristi bez problema. Pozdrav,
dn
diskovi.872bojt,
-> #866, zkehler>> Jel ima neko uputstvo za MICROPOLIS 1375? Ne znam kako da ga
>> setujem da bide nulti.
MICROPOLIS 1375
UNFORMAT WTH. CYLS PL ST INTERFACE XFER P? MTBF POWER
170.0MB 5.25 1016 5 36 SCSI 10.0Mb Y 30K 35.0W
FORMATED HGT. PREC HD AC REC.METH ACC
145.0MB FULL 8 VC RLL(2,7) 23mS
diskovi.873bojt,
-> #872, bojtSorry, poruku sam pisao off line pa nisam video da ti ovo ne treba.
diskovi.874ivujanic,
-> #849, zstevan╠ ga ne prodaje. Pregledao sam par brojeva ovogodisnjih Computer
╠ Shoperer-a, i u svim oglasima gde se prodaje WD (a ima ih jako puno)
╠ se prodaje iskljucivo model WD93044-A (od modela WD95044-A koji ja
╠ imam ni traga). Model WD93044-A je ocigledno zamena za model koji ja
╠ imam jer ima iste osnovne karakteristike (42Mb, 28ms) i isto kuciste
╠ (spoljasnji izgled je isti). Usput model WD93044-A
Za 95044 ne znam, ali imam 93044 dve godine i stvarno
nikakvih problema nisam imao. Disk je izuzetno tih, track-to-track je
i za današnje vreme odličnih 2.8ms. Jedino je 28ms slučajnog traženja
za današnje vreme već sporije od proseka. Serviseri sa kojima sam
razgovarao tvrde da se disk izuzetno retko kvari. Po meni najveća
mana mu je mali kapacitet, 43Mb.
E sad još da ti neko kaže u čemu je rzlika između njega i
95044...
Pozdrav, Ivica
diskovi.875kermit,
-> #872, bojt Hvala na iscrpnim podacima o micropolisu, ali i dalje ne znam kako da ga
setijem da bude nulti. Trebao bi mi raspored jumpera.
diskovi.876mjova,
-> #871, dnikolic>>> CC CCCCC
evo kuda vodi standarizovan karakter set :)
on CCCC je bilo ^, što je na yuscii setu ž, koje kad se prevede na us
postaje C...
svi se odriču yu, ali mi teramo do kraja :)
diskovi.877vvelisavljev,
-> #837, bearboy> se da nesto ne zaje*e, al' sad imam 40 Mb praznog ! (i drzim sigrice na
> disku)
A windowse ???
diskovi.878vvelisavljev,
Potrebne su mi funkcije jumpera za XT MFM hard disk kontroler.
Konkretno koji jumper je zadužen za drugi HD (20 MB) ?
Pozdrav, Viktor
diskovi.879fric,
Ima li neko podatke za sledeće diskove
(broj cilindara, broj glava, broj sektora):
- Conner 3000
- Seagate ST351AX
fric
diskovi.880yupc,
Hi,
treba mi malo pomoci oko jednog, tacnije
RoDIME 3259A 203 MB
FDISK javlja za sistem FAT16 !
Znam da nece da radi, tj. nece da se "digne"
sistem, samo pocne ... i zaglavi :((((((((((
Pomoc je hitna i dobrodosla,
Pozdrav,
YUPC
diskovi.881bearboy,
-> #842, dnikolic>>>>> Ehhh... A meni je ostalo 10Kb... I to vec 3 meseca...
> smrc.
>
> XEXE, kupite Sigejt 1239A ko ja i ne treba vam nis'a.
> dn
>
> P.S. 211 MB
I dodajte BESPLATNO Stacker pa cete imati 422 Mb. (impresivno, zar ne ?)
diskovi.882bearboy,
-> #845, ssokorac> -=)> P.S. 211 MB
>
> :((( Eh, a gde ono stanujes? I kad nisi kod kuce? Kljuc
> stavi, recimo, pored vrata pa mi javi, da dodjem da ga
> 'podignem'...:))
^^^^^^^^
Znas.... Pklite najnajnajnovija verzija.....
diskovi.883bearboy,
-> #858, skoprivica> PS: Od koje poruke pocinje rasprava o STACKERu? Da vas ne
> pitam mnoge stvari, nego da skinem i citam.
> Jel' to 100% pouzdano ?
> Jel' mora biti rezidentan da bi sve radilo?
> Jel' mora da se FORMAT C: (etc.) da bi radilo?....
Pocinje oko 8.320-330, tako nekako.
PS. Odgovori na ostala pitanja su tamo.
diskovi.884bearboy,
-> #851, nick> Hvala na opsirnom odgovoru.
> Pozdrav, Nick
Nema na cemu.
diskovi.885bearboy,
-> #861, spantic>> Inace moj HD ima samo jedan Bad Cluster a tgovac mi ,kad
>> sam kupovao, rece da obicno ima dosta vise ,jel tako ?
>
> Probaj da predes na FUJITSU diskove. Oni nemaju nijedan,
> "obicno".
Ni NEC diskovi. (barem moj)
diskovi.886dgrbic,
-> #881, bearboy:: I dodajte BESPLATNO Stacker pa cete imati 422 Mb.
:: (impresivno, zar ne ?)
A jel taj STACKER PD softver, pa da ga dodamo "besplatno"?
Meni se nesto cini da i nije...
diskovi.887drpr,
-> #879, fric-> Ima li neko podatke za sledeće diskove
-> (broj cilindara, broj glava, broj sektora):
-> - Seagate ST351AX
->
->
-> fric
koliko sam se ja snašao u file-u o diskovima koji imaš na
sezamu pod imenom theref42.zip
Seagate ST351AX
51MB Unformated
42.8MB Formated
Heds 6
Cyls 61
Sect 17
Za conner 3000 nisam našao ništa.
drpr
PS ako sam nešto loše pročitao desilo se zbog toga jer ovo još
nisam koristio mislim na prg.
diskovi.888skoprivica,
-> #881, bearboy>->
>-> I dodajte BESPLATNO Stacker pa cete imati 422 Mb. (impresivno, zar
>-> ne ?)
Cek, cek, kad smo vec kod STACKERa, ako imam vecinu stvari na disku
ARJovanu, da li ce STACKER pomoci ? Moguce da nisam shvatio po nesto
o STACKERu, ali ja razumeo da je on otprilike kao 'rezidentni ZIP'.
Moze li neko da mi pokaze kako to radi ?.......
Ajd' pa zdravo... CTEBO.
diskovi.889ssokorac,
-> #882, bearboy -=)>> 'podignem'...:))
-=)> žžžžžžžž
-=)>
-=)> Znas.... Pklite najnajnajnovija verzija.....
Šta? Nisam te baš u potpunosti shvatio...?
diskovi.890ssokorac,
-> #885, bearboy -=)>>> Inace moj HD ima samo jedan Bad Cluster a tgovac mi
-=)>>> ,kad sam kupovao, rece da obicno ima dosta vise ,jel
-=)>> tako ?
-=)>>
-=)>> Probaj da predes na FUJITSU diskove. Oni nemaju
-=)>> nijedan, "obicno".
-=)>
-=)> Ni NEC diskovi. (barem moj)
Ni moj. Ali, ono što me najviše nervira je: ja ne znam ni koji HD imam??!!
Možete li to zamisliti??!!
diskovi.891adulic,
-> #890, ssokorac# Ni moj. Ali, ono što me najviše nervira je: ja ne znam ni koji HD imam??!!
##############
Uzmi odgovarajući odvijač, otvori kejs, pronadji HD,
pregledaj nalepnice po njemu i - eto!
AD
diskovi.892faruk,
-> #887, drpr> Seagate ST351AX
> 51MB Unformated
> 42.8MB Formated
>
> Heds 6
> Cyls 61
> Sect 17
Treba da stoji 820 Cyl.
Pozdrav, Faruk.
diskovi.893ssokorac,
-> #891, adulic -=)> Uzmi odgovarajući odvijač, otvori kejs, pronadji HD,
-=)> pregledaj nalepnice po njemu i - eto!
Može i bez odvijača, samo me mrzi...;) Ali, kad mi prekipi,
pogledaću, pa da se 'falim da znam koji HD imam! ;))))))))))
diskovi.894ssokorac,
-> #891, adulic -=)> Uzmi odgovarajući odvijač, otvori kejs, pronadji HD,
-=)> pregledaj nalepnice po njemu i - eto!
Može i bez odvijača, samo me mrzi...;) Ali, kad mi prekipi,
pogledaću, pa da se 'falim da znam koji HD imam! ;))))))))))
diskovi.895yupc,
Pa zar niko nema RODIME HD od 200 Mb ???
Oni podaci iz THEREF* ne odgovaraju :(((((
YUPC
diskovi.896bearboy,
-> #877, vvelisavljev>> se da nesto ne zaje*e, al' sad imam 40 Mb praznog ! (i
>> drzim sigrice na disku)
> A windowse ???
Ma*s Windowsi !
diskovi.897gbiocic,
-> #895, yupc> Pa zar niko nema RODIME HD od 200 Mb ???
> Oni podaci iz THEREF* ne odgovaraju :(((((
Moj je (mislim na HD) Rodime RO3259A Type 02 (200 Mb). I radi.
U Setup-u stoji: Cyls 974, Heads 15, Sectors 28.
Nisam pogledao šta piše u THEREF*.
Javi ako imaš problema. Samo nemoj lele format :))
pozdrav, gb
diskovi.898lanik,
-> #885, bearboy
>> >> Inace moj HD ima samo jedan Bad Cluster a tgovac mi ,kad
>> >> sam kupovao, rece da obicno ima dosta vise ,jel tako ?
>> >
>> > Probaj da predes na FUJITSU diskove. Oni nemaju nijedan,
>> > "obicno". Ni NEC diskovi. (barem moj)
Onda lepo predjite na SCSI diskove. Oni _sigurno_ nemaju nijedan bad
sector.... ;)))
--> Keyboard? How Quaint!
diskovi.899adulic,
-> #896, bearboy# Ma*s Windowsi !
##############
NE diraj mi windows! Kroz nji' gledam ceo dan B-)
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AD
diskovi.900bearboy,
-> #889, ssokorac> -=)>> 'podignem'...:))
> -=)> CCCCCCCC
> -=)>
> -=)> Znas.... Pklite najnajnajnovija verzija.....
>
> Sta? Nisam te bas u potpunosti shvatio...?
Pklite 'Hard' verzija.....
PS. Znas, fizicki ga olaksa ..... :))
diskovi.901bearboy,
-> #886, dgrbic> :: I dodajte BESPLATNO Stacker pa cete imati 422 Mb.
> :: (impresivno, zar ne ?)
>
> A jel taj STACKER PD softver, pa da ga dodamo "besplatno"?
> Meni se nesto cini da i nije...
Na moju i vasu opstu zalost, NIJE !
diskovi.902bearboy,
-> #888, skoprivica> Cek, cek, kad smo vec kod STACKERa, ako imam vecinu stvari
> na disku ARJovanu, da li ce STACKER pomoci ? Moguce da
> nisam shvatio po nesto o STACKERu, ali ja razumeo da je on
> otprilike kao 'rezidentni ZIP'.
Pa, nece ti biti bas mnogo novog mesta oslobodeno, ali ces moci da pokrenes
programe koji su arhivirani.
PS. Dobro si razumeo.
diskovi.903bearboy,
-> #898, lanik> Onda lepo predjite na SCSI diskove. Oni _sigurno_ nemaju
> nijedan bad sector.... ;)))
Ali su _sigurno_ skuplji !
diskovi.904ssokorac,
-> #900, bearboy -=)> Pklite 'Hard' verzija.....
Možeš li, molim te, da mi malo ispričaš o Pklite-u, šta radi, kako radi,
koje su prednosti, a koji su nedostaci, i tako to? Please, zainteresovao
si me za njega...:)
diskovi.905djovicevic,
U fajlu privezanom uz ovu poruku naci cete mnostvo podataka o hard
diskovima. Fajl je zaista "sve sto ste o diskovima zeleli daznate, a
niste smeli da pitate". Sadrzi opsiran recnik pojmova relevantnih za
HD, opise instaliranja, kao i detaljne tehnicke podatke o velikom
broju modela najvecih svetskih proizvodjaca. Podaci su malo bajati, iz
decembra 1988., no bice, nadam se, mnogima od koristi. Pozdrav
DJ
disks.zipdiskovi.906bulaja,
-> #904, ssokorac│Mozes li, molim te, da mi malo ispricas o Pklite-u, sta radi, kako radi,
│koje su prednosti, a koji su nedostaci, i tako to? Please, zainteresovao
│si me za njega...:)
└───
PKlite imas u \ibmpc\archiver direktorijumu.
PKLite kompresuje .EXE i .COM datoteke praveci od njih neku vrstu samo
raspakujuce arhive (pretpostavljam da je algoritam slican ZIP-u) koje
se prilikom startovanja raspakuju u memoriju. Redi jednostavno - samo
zadas pklite <original_file> <compressed_file> (ovo drugo i ne moras
pa ce prebrisati original) i dobijes spakovan .EXE file. Prosecna
usteda je oko 50%. Moze biti dosta zgodan, npr. moze glomazne Clipper
programe da spakuje na ispod 100 K. Ukoliko takve programe ucitavas
npr. sa floppy-ja, moze se desiti da se brze startuje spakovan prg od
onog u normalnom obliku, posto je nekad brzi deo za dekompresiju koji
radi i RAM-u nego citanje ostatka datoteke sa floppy-ja.
Naravno, PKLite ima i dosta mana. Pre svega mogu se kompresovati samo
.EXE i .COM datoteke, a na njih ne otpada vecina prostora na disku. Ne
mogu se kopresovati ni svi .EXE fileovi - ukoliko program upisuje npr.
svoj setup na kraj .EXE datoteke (npr. QEdit) onmda PKLite tu nece
moci nista. Isto vazi i za programe koji u .EXE datoteci sadrze i
ovrleje (TELIX.EXE, TM.EXE, Clipper 5.01 programi i sl.). Za ovu
namenu postoji jos nekoliko programa, npr. LZEXE (prvi od njih koji se
pojavio) je slican PKLite-u, ili DIET. DIET je drugaciji - instalira
se kao rezidentan i onda on-the-fly raspakuje sve kompresovane
*podatke* prilikom njihovog ucitavanja. *podaci* nisu samo .exe ili
.com vec sve moguce datoteke, npr. tekstovi, baze podataka i sl. Bas
ovih dana testiram malo te programe, pa ocekujte uskoro rezultate (i
npr. DIET i \ibmpc\archiver direktorijumu ako se dobro pokaze).
Bulaja
diskovi.907ssokorac,
-> #906, bulaja -=)> PKLite kompresuje .EXE i .COM datoteke praveci od njih
-=)> neku vrstu samo raspakujuce arhive (pretpostavljam da
-=)> je algoritam slican ZIP-u) koje se prilikom
-=)> startovanja raspakuju u memoriju. Redi jednostavno -
-=)> samo
Hvala na obaveštenju, uzeću ga da ga i ja isprobam...
Hi , Stasha
diskovi.908bearboy,
-> #899, adulic># Ma*s Windowsi !
>##########
>
> NE diraj mi windows! Kroz nji' gledam ceo dan B-)
Rekoh, ma*s Windows 3.0 >= !!!!!!!!!
Nije mi potrebna igracka od 5 Mb, koja uz to nista ne radi (osim pasijansa) !
diskovi.909feniks,
U emisiji Prolupator A.K. je pomenuo neki software
(mislim da se paket zove Stacker) koji navodno multiplicira
kapacitet hard diska (diskete) i to od 2 do 8 puta i to
bez bitne promene u brzini rada!
Velicina paketa je 600 kB.
Cena ........ oko 200 US$. :(((
Zna li neko nesto o vise o tom programu, mislim da bi
program bio dosta koristan ako opet i ovo nije neki biser ;)
Í─Ě Í─Ě
║ ║ ║
Ë─Ż đ đ
diskovi.910dperkovic,
-> #907, ssokorac> Hvala na obavestenju, uzecu ga da ga i ja isprobam...
Vec si ga isprobao ! (scan)
DejanP
diskovi.911zocha,
Aman ljudi zasto svi toliko pljujete Seagate diskove.
Ja sam ih instalirao na stotine i nikada nisam imao nikakvih
problema. Jedini problem sam imao pre otprilike pet godina
kada mi je na jednom basnoslovno placenom at-u (motherboard je
tada izuzetno povoljno nadjen za samo 1800 dm bez memorija i
radio je na fantasticnih 10MHz) prestao da radi st225 koji je
prenet u Jugoslaviju u hladnjaci jer su tada vazile zabrane na
uvoz kasetofona a nedaj ti boze racunara.
Osim toga IBM je do skora ugradjivao Seagate diskove u svoje
racunare a to koliko ja znam ipak nesto znaci.
Licno ja a i vecina ljudi koje poznajem je najvise problema
imala sa Miniscribe diskovima dok o Quantum i Conner diskovima
u principu netreba ni raspravljati jer su oni na trzistu u
odnosu na Seagate, BASF, Micropolis, Imprimis (bivsi) ....
diskovi novijeg datuma.
Takodje smatram da je nova serija izuzetno dobra (na poslu
imam 15 komada i svi rade besprekorno i ni jedan nema niti
jedan bad sector).
Normalno ovo je samo moje misljennje i misljenje ljudi sa
kojima se ja znam a zasniva se stvarno na stotinama
instaliranih diskova Seagate
KH Zato bih molio sve one koji ni neznaju nasta lici disk (a misle da znaju
bas sve na ovom svetu - CAST IZUZETCIMA) da se malo raspitaju i da pitaju sta
se to proizvodilo dok su oni ucili poznavanje prirode i drustva!