auto-moto.1stefan,
Hill vs Šumaher vs Vilnev
part ??
;)
auto-moto.2darth.vader,
>> Hill vs Sumaher vs Vilnev
>> part ??
Heh... Hill ne verujem da ima neke velike sanse ove sezone, osim ako
osude nekog iz Williamsa za ubistvo Senne... Ako Williams ostane bez
osudjenih (sto bas i ne bih voleo, mada mi je zao Zaka), bice opet
neprikosnoveni... Eventualno neke sanse ima Flavio, mada ne verujem
pored Alezija i Bergera koji su teski baxuzi...
c ya
darth.vader
auto-moto.3stukelj,
> Hill vs Sumaher vs Vilnev
> part ??
Mislim da je za sezonu 97 vec sve odluceno!!
Hill je sada bez ikakvih sansi da ista uradi! :(
Vilnev ce ove godine jurisati na titulu! Schumacher ce pokusati da ga
zaustavi ali tesko da ce Sch. nesto uraditi sto se tice titule! HH Frentzen
bi mogao da se umesa u trku za titulu...
auto-moto.4junior,
Zna li se ko vozi za onaj naš tim? :)
(ovo "onaj naš" mu dođe od milja :)
auto-moto.5senna,
>Zna li se ko vozi za onaj nas tim? :)
-----
Zar ti zaista mislish da ce od toga biti neshto?
auto-moto.6superhik,
=:> Vilnev ce ove godine jurisati na titulu! Schumacher ce
Ma Hakinen će da uzme titulu, konačno :)
auto-moto.7castrvm,
> Hill vs Šumaher vs Vilnev
> part ??
Najveće šanse ima Šumaher,dosta je napredovao u toku sezone,setimo
se samo ferarija na početku sezone i na kraju.Hill je odličan vozač
ali u novom timu ima male šanse da odbrani titulu.Villnev je glavni
konkurent Šumaheru,ali ipak odlučiće iskustvo.
Tipujem na Šumahera,ali navijam za Hill-a.
auto-moto.8junior,
>> senna -- na sky news o sudjenju franku williamsu
A?
auto-moto.9senna,
re: sudjenje FW-u.
Pa rekli su da ce se odrzati u Italiji, i da postoji shansa
da ce biti i osudjen, i to na do 5 godina zatvora za ubistvo iz ne-
hata.
auto-moto.10darth.vader,
>> Pa rekli su da ce se odrzati u Italiji, i da postoji shansa
>> da ce biti i osudjen, i to na do 5 godina zatvora za ubistvo
>> iz ne- hata.
Dace Bog da ga osude (valjda)...
Darth.Vader
auto-moto.11stukelj,
> Dace Bog da ga osude (valjda)...
Nema teorije...ako ga osude Beneton bojkotuje formulu...
auto-moto.12junior,
> Pa rekli su da ce se odrzati u Italiji, i da postoji shansa
> da ce biti i osudjen, i to na do 5 godina zatvora za ubistvo iz
> ne- hata.
Kakvo ubistvo?
Da li će to uticati na Williams, tj. da li će neko drugi preuzeti
ekipu (npr. ima li sina, ćerku) ?
auto-moto.13lexus,
=> Kakvo ubistvo?
Ayrton Senna.
auto-moto.14darth.vader,
>> Nema teorije...ako ga osude Beneton bojkotuje formulu...
Ma neka bojkotuje, sta me briga... Oces da kazes da ono ubistvo
treba ostaviti ?!?! Pa nisu se setili ni trku da prekinu, a sad
nece da osude nikog... Idioti...
Ja bi ih osudio za ubistvo s predumisljajem !!!
Darth.Vader
auto-moto.15space.ace,
>> Pa rekli su da ce se odrzati u Italiji, i da postoji shansa
>> da ce biti i osudjen, i to na do 5 godina zatvora za ubistvo
Zna li se šta će biti s timom?
// zapaliće ga...
auto-moto.16petarg,
Da li ja to videh Zepter-ovu reklamu na Hilovom bolidu?
JG
auto-moto.17junior,
> Da li ja to videh Zepter-ovu reklamu na Hilovom bolidu?
Da. :)
Imamo 'naš' tim u formuli ;))
auto-moto.18junior,
Molim dopune, ispravke, pohvale .. ;))
SPISAK VOZACA FORMULE 1
-----------------------
Sezona 1997.
Ime tima: Nacionalnost Ime vozaca
1. TWR Arrows Yamaha (GBR) Damon Hill
2. TWR Arrows Yamaha (BRA) Pedro Diniz
test vozac: (GER) Jorg Muller
motor/gume: Yamaha V10 / Bridgestone
3. Williams Renault (CAN) Jacques Villeneuve
4. Williams Renault (GER) Hainz Harald Frentzen
test vozac: (FRA) Jean Christoph
Boullion (?)
motor/gume: Renault V10 / Goodyear
5. Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro (GER) Michael Schumacher
6. Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro (GBR) Eddie Irvine
test vozac: (ITA) Gianni Morbidelli
(?)
motor/gume: Ferrari V10 / Goodyear
7. Mild Seven Benetton Renault (FRA) Jean Alesi
8. Mild Seven Benetton Renault (AUT) Gerhard Berger
test vozac: (AUT) Alex Wurz
(?)
motor/gume: Renault V10 / Goodyear
9. West McLaren Mercedes (FIN) Mika Hakkinen
10. West McLaren Mercedes (GBR) David Coulthard
test vozac: (GBR) Dario Franchiti
motor/gume: Mercedes V10 / Goodyear
11. Benson&Hedges Total Jordan Peugeot (GER) Ralf Schumacher
12. Benson&Hedges Total Jordan Peugeot (ITA) Giancarlo Fisichella
test vozac: (FRA) Jean Christoph
Boullion (?)
motor/gume: Peugeot V10 / Goodyear
14. Equipe Ligier Gauloises Blondes (FRA) Olivier Panis
15. Equipe Ligier Gauloises Blondes (JPN) Shinji Nakano
test vozac: (?)
motor/gume: Mugen - Honda / Bridgestone
16. Red Bull Sauber Petronas (GBR) Johnny Herbert
17. Red Bull Sauber Petronas (ITA) Nikola Larini
test vozac: (ARG) Norberto Fontana
motor/gume: Petronas V10 (bivsi Ferrari V10) / Goodyear
18. Tyrrell (NED) Jos Verstappen
19. Tyrrell (FIN) Mika Salo
test vozac: (JPN) Torasuke Takaji
motor/gume: Ford V8 / Bridgestone
20. Minardi Team (JPN) Ukyo Katayama
21. Minardi Team (SWE) Jarno Trulli
test vozac: (BRA) Tarso Marques
motor/gume: Hart V8 / Bridgestone
22. Stewart Grand Prix (BRA) Rubens Barrichello
23. Stewart Grand Prix (DEN) Jan Magnussen
test vozac: (?)
motor/gume: Ford V10 / Bridgestone
24. Mastercard Lola Formula One Team (BRA) Ricardo Rosset
25. Mastercard Lola Formula One Team (ITA) Vincenzo Sospiri
test vozac: (BRA) Ricardo Zonta
motor/gume: Ford V8 / Goodyear
auto-moto.19vector,
Po ovoj tvojoj listi J.C.Boullion ima ugovor sa 2 tima. ;)
-> 15. Equipe Ligier Gauloises Blondes (JPN) Shinji Nakano
Odakle iskopase ovog ? ;)
-> 18. Tyrrell (NED) Jos Verstappen
-> 19. Tyrrell (FIN) Mika Salo
-> test vozac: (JPN) Torasuke Takaji
-> motor/gume: Ford V8 / Bridgestone
Zar nije Salo prvi vozac ?
-> 22. Stewart Grand Prix (BRA) Rubens Barrichello
-> 23. Stewart Grand Prix (DEN) Jan Magnussen
-> test vozac: (?)
-> motor/gume: Ford V10 / Bridgestone
Opet, zar nije J.Magnussen prvi vozac ?
Deluje malo cudno, ali sta je tu je. ;)
P.S. Sumaher osvaja! :)
auto-moto.20junior,
Na onoj prezentaciji Red Bulla, održanoj pre koji mesec,
dovezli su bolid formule 1 i slikali malog Topalovića sa
njim. Da li je to nagoveštaj neke buduće saradnje, ili
čisto marketinški potez?
Bilo bi lepo, kad bi mali ušao sad u recimo Formulu 3, a
za koju godinu (kad jel'te osvoji šampionat ;) da pređe
u F1.
auto-moto.21darth.vader,
>> P.S. Sumaher osvaja! :)
Posle 2000 ;)
(mada bi voleo ni tada...)
Darth
auto-moto.22vector,
Jel neko video kako je mocan novi bolid Jordan-a ?
auto-moto.23vpoznanovic,
>> -> 15. Equipe Ligier Gauloises Blondes (JPN) Shinji Nakano
>>
>> Odakle iskopase ovog ? ;)
Iz Formule Nippon, iliti japanske Formule 3000. Završio je kao šesti u
prošlogodišnjem šampionatu.
A zašto... Pa jednostavno zbog toga što je Mugen želio da vidi jednog
japanskog vozača u timu.
auto-moto.24stukelj,
(ovde vector, nemam vremena za danas pa saljem ovako ;)
Michael Andretti je pobednik prve trke Indy Car sampionata u Majamiju.
(Miami Grand Prix)
Pole Position: A. Zanardi
Evo i prvih 5 vozaca ... :
1. M. Andretti
2. P. Tracy
3. J. Vasser
4. G. Moore
5. S. Pruett
(...)
auto-moto.25tomislavr,
Rezultati drugog nezvaničnog treninga za V.N. Australije
1. M. Schumacher 1:32.496
2. Frentzen +0.411
3. Alesi +0.759
4. Villeneuve +0.875
5. R. Schumacher +0.941
6. Irvine +1.661
7. Berger +1.775
8. Coulthard +1.936
9. Herbert +2.097
10. Hakkinen +2.246
...
12. Panis +2.400
13. Hill +2.577
auto-moto.26junior,
> Rezultati drugog nezvaničnog treninga za V.N. Australije
> 1. M. Schumacher 1:32.496
Slušao sam danas na 3K, kad su nešto komentarisali u stilu
Šumaher i Hil nisu konkurenti ove sezone. Izgleda da su se
u jednom za*ebali. :)
auto-moto.27vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP Friday 1st practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:33.457
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:33.607 0.150 0.150
3. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:33.978 0.371 0.521
4. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:34.329 0.351 0.872
5. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:34.485 0.156 1.028
6. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:34.927 0.442 1.470
7. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:35.291 0.364 1.834
8. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:35.506 0.215 2.049
9. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:36.245 0.739 2.788
10. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:36.820 0.575 3.363
11. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:36.826 0.006 3.369
12. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:37.554 0.728 4.097
13. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:37.636 0.082 4.179
14. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:38.023 0.387 4.566
15. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.539 0.516 5.082
16. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:38.671 0.132 5.214
17. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:39.622 0.951 6.165
18. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:40.322 0.700 6.865
19. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:41.596 1.274 8.139
20. Ricardo Rosset BR Lola-Ford ZV8 1:43.761 2.165 10.304
21. Vincenzo Sospiri I Lola-Ford ZV8 1:47.531 3.770 14.074
22. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.506 1.975 16.049
23. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 12:12.629 N/A N/A
24. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 0:00.000
107% of fastest time: 1:39.999
auto-moto.28vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP Friday 2nd practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:32.496
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:32.910 0.414 0.414
3. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:33.255 0.345 0.759
4. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:33.371 0.116 0.875
5. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:33.437 0.066 0.941
6. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:34.157 0.720 1.661
7. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:34.271 0.114 1.775
8. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.432 0.161 1.936
9. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:34.590 0.158 2.094
10. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.712 0.122 2.216
11. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:34.777 0.065 2.281
12. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:34.927 0.150 2.431
13. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:35.073 0.146 2.577
14. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:36.142 1.069 3.646
15. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:36.223 0.081 3.727
16. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:36.392 0.169 3.896
17. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:36.716 0.324 4.220
18. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:37.023 0.307 4.527
19. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:38.092 1.069 5.596
20. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:39.652 1.560 7.156
21. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:40.002 0.350 7.506
22. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:40.947 0.945 8.451
23. Ricardo Rosset BR Lola-Ford ZV8 1:41.166 0.219 8.670
24. Vincenzo Sospiri I Lola-Ford ZV8 1:42.590 1.424 10.094
107% of fastest time: 1:38.971
auto-moto.29darth.vader,
>> Rezultati drugog nezvanicnog treninga za V.N. Australije
>> 1. M. Schumacher 1:32.496
Aaaaa, ovaj nam se nesto mnooogo izbezobrazio ;)))
auto-moto.30vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP Saturday Qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:29.369
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:31.123 1.754 1.754
3. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:31.472 0.349 2.103
4. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.531 0.059 2.162
5. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:31.881 0.350 2.512
6. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.971 0.090 2.602
7. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:32.287 0.316 2.918
8. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:32.593 0.306 3.224
9. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:32.842 0.249 3.473
10. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:32.870 0.028 3.501
11. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:33.075 0.205 3.706
12. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:33.130 0.055 3.761
13. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:33.327 0.197 3.958
14. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:33.552 0.225 4.183
15. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:33.798 0.246 4.429
16. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:33.989 0.191 4.620
17. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:34.120 0.131 4.751
18. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:34.229 0.109 4.860
19. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:34.623 0.394 5.254
20. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:34.806 0.183 5.437
21. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:34.943 0.137 5.574
107% of fastest time: 1:35.625
22. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:35.972 1.029 6.603
23. Vincenzo Sospiri I Lola-Ford ZV8 1:40.972 5.000 11.603
24. Ricardo Rosset BR Lola-Ford ZV8 1:42.086 1.114 12.717
auto-moto.31baker,
> F1: Australian GP Saturday Qualifying
Odakle uzimas ove podatke, ako nije tajna ?
auto-moto.32baker,
Da li ima direktan prenos ?
auto-moto.33junior,
> Da li ima direktan prenos ?
3K, 3:40 (nedelja).
auto-moto.34senna,
Svaka chast i McLarenu i Coulthardu.
auto-moto.35stukelj,
DAVID COULTHARD !!! Neverovatno, McLaren osvaja jos jednu pobedu. Schumacher
je bio drugi, Hakkinen treci. Hill nije ni poceo trku, Villeneuve se slupao,
Frentzen i Alesi takodje. Moje misljenje je da se Villeneuve nije slupao tako
rano da bi on ovo glatko dobio sa 25 sekundi prednosti. Ali ovako, svejedno,
veliki uspeh McLarena posle dugo vremena. :)
auto-moto.36stukelj,
<*> 3K, 3:40 (nedelja).
Da li neko zna jel' Edvards i Votson funkcionisu ove godine ?!? Ovo pitam
jer vidim nije bilo prenosa, a Edvards je komentarisao C.A.R.T. trku u
Majamiju (koju je Andretti glatko dobio :), a uostalom nisam video ni
jednu reklamu za formulu ove godine na EuroSportu... :((
auto-moto.37vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP Saturday practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:28.594
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:30.026 1.432 1.432
3. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:30.305 0.279 1.711
4. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:30.651 0.346 2.057
5. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:30.674 0.023 2.080
6. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:30.682 0.008 2.088
7. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:31.071 0.389 2.477
8. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:31.197 0.126 2.603
9. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:31.281 0.084 2.687
10. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:31.303 0.022 2.709
11. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:31.389 0.086 2.795
12. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:31.635 0.246 3.041
13. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:32.027 0.392 3.433
14. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:32.264 0.237 3.670
15. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:32.826 0.562 4.232
16. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:33.094 0.268 4.500
17. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:33.415 0.321 4.821
18. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:33.588 0.173 4.994
19. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:33.679 0.091 5.085
20. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:33.693 0.014 5.099
21. Jan Magnussen BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:33.767 0.074 5.173
22. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:34.640 0.873 6.046
23. Ricardo Rosset BR Lola-Ford ZV8 1:41.416 6.776 12.822
24. Vincenzo Sospiri I Lola-Ford ZV8 1:44.286 2.870 15.692
107% of fastest time: 1:34.796
auto-moto.38vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP results
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:30:28.718
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari +20.046
3. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes +22.177
4. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault +22.841
5. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen +1:00.308
6. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas +1:36.040
7. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen -2 laps
8. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault -3 laps
9. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart -3 laps
10. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha -4 laps
DNF Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 On lap 49
DNF Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 On lap 42
DNF Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 On lap 36
DNF Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault On lap 34
DNF Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart On lap 32
DNF Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot On lap 14
DNF Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot On lap 2
DNF Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 On lap 2
DNF Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas On lap 1
DNF Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari On lap 1
DNF Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault On lap 1
DNS Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha
auto-moto.40darth.vader,
Evo mog misljenja o trci:
Aktuelni sampion Hill... Strasno slabo. Nisam mnogo ocekivao od njega,
ali ono je bilo strasno. Podseca na nekoga iz prosle sezone ;>>>
Mladi Vilnev - startovao malo traljavo, izleteo u prvom krugu... Ne znam,
meni je licilo da je to neki podli zahvat Sumahera, ali mozda samo zato
sto ga ja mrzim... Mozda nisam objektivan. U svakom slucaju, velika steta
za Zaka.
Frentzen - Odlican start, odlicna taktika, ali slabe kocnice. Na pocetku
stekao dobru prednost, 2 zaustavljanja u boxu su bila mnogo dobro osmisljena
ali mehanicari nespretni pri drugom pit-stopu. Jos posle toga, vrlo brzo
hvata prikljuchak za borbu za 1. mesto, ali hga ocigledno bije maler.
Kultard - Svaka cast. Nema sta da se zameri. Bila je manja greska u
poslednjim krugovima koja ga je mogla stajati pobede, ali sve je dobro
ispalo. Sve najbolje njemu i Mclarenu.
Alezi - Malerozan kao i uvek. Ne moze da zavrsi pa to ti je.
Berger - Sta ja znam... Tu i tamo, mada je Beneton sve gori i gori.
Hakinen - Dobro odvozio, nema sta. Bez greske. Nadao sam se da ce da
prestigne Sumahera posle drugog pit-stopa, ali nista od toga. Lose gume
su ga zadrzale na 3. mestu.
Sumaher - Kao i uvek -- vozi ko masina. Bez greske, i bas zato ga ne volim.
Kiks Ferarija ga je mogao stajati drugog mesta, ali ipak dosta dosta srece.
Opsti utisak o trci: Solidna trka. Neizvesna do izletanja Frencena, ali
me je start odusevio. Svi favoriti su poizletali na pocetku. Ali, sta je
tu je. Kultardova pobeda probija led pod kojim je meklaren bio 50 trka.
Steta sto nije bila dupla Meklarenova pobeda :) To bi mi se svidelo :)
Mclaren sa novim bojama ima UBEDLJIVO NAJLEPSI BOLID.
See ya all, Darth :)
auto-moto.41swix,
=> Da li neko zna jel' Edvards i Votson funkcionisu ove godine ?!? Ovo pitam
=> jer vidim nije bilo prenosa, a Edvards je komentarisao C.A.R.T. trku u
=> Majamiju (koju je Andretti glatko dobio :), a uostalom nisam video ni
=> jednu reklamu za formulu ove godine na EuroSportu... :((
Neka engleska TV stanica je otkupila sva prava za prikazivanje u G.B. (
najverovatnije SKY i njihov deo SKY SPORTS )
U nemackoj je isto uradio RTL.
Za ove drzave znam, a najverovatnije se isto desilo i u josh kojoj.
To znachi da je mali deo kolacha ostao za EuroSport koji je onda
(najverovatnije) odlucio da ove godine popularishe bivshi IndyCar sadashnji
Kart P.P.G. a da Formulu1 batali :(((
p.s. ovo pishem pospan tako da mi ne zamerite za neke loshe osmishljene
rechenice :)
auto-moto.42vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP Sunday warmup
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:31.235
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:31.353 0.118 0.118
3. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:31.512 0.159 0.277
4. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:31.674 0.162 0.439
5. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.091 0.417 0.856
6. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:32.394 0.303 1.159
7. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.537 0.143 1.302
8. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:32.586 0.049 1.351
9. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:32.704 0.118 1.469
10. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:32.908 0.204 1.673
11. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:32.939 0.031 1.704
12. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:32.989 0.050 1.754
13. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:33.109 0.120 1.874
14. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:33.148 0.039 1.913
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:33.339 0.191 2.104
16. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:33.394 0.055 2.159
17. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:33.735 0.341 2.500
18. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:33.832 0.097 2.597
19. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:34.113 0.281 2.878
20. Jan Magnussen BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:34.162 0.049 2.927
21. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:34.902 0.740 3.667
22. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:40.623 5.721 9.388
auto-moto.43vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP report
On the parade lap everyone got away cleanly from the line. All seemed well
till the current World Champion (who had a torrid time yesterday) pulled off
to the side of the track. It was later confirmed that he had suffered a lack
of throttle. The grid formed, and all were ready for the start, and as the
lights went out it was Frentzen who took the lead. After a weekend of
Villeneuve getting the upper hand on the German it now the Canadians turn to
be rattled.
And rattled he was. Going into the first corner Irvine, Herbert and
Villeneuve were together in a move that was never going to work. Herbert and
Villeneuve retired on the spot, Irvine a few corners later. The two Jordans
were also scything their way through the field. It was to be short lived for
Ralf Schumacher, as was soon out of the race. H-H continued to pull away at
the front and started to produce a good lead over Coulthard in second place
and Schumacher in 3rd. By lap 4 Verstappen was also out after leaving the
track rather spectacularly for the kitty litter. Nakano also joins in the
fun, but doesn't quite understand the rules and survives to try again
later.
By lap 6 it was Frentzen, Coulthard, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Alesi, Berger,
Panis, and Larini. On lap 7 Frentzen put in a 1m32.56 for the fastest lap
at that point. By lap 10 Frentzen was well and truly in command and pulling
out a very useful 16 second lead over Coulthard. Coulthard had Schumacher to
worry about behind him with a gap of only 1 second. By lap 12 Frentzen had
17 seconds over Coulthard. Behind Coulthard it was a lot closer with the
top 6 covered by a handful of seconds. Diniz decided on lap 13 to join in
the off roadsters, and survived to tell the tale. Fisichella meanwhile made
a far more lurid move on Barrichello and spun off in front of him and out.
He had dived down the inside of the Stewart, but had no time left to brake,
and so locked up and out.
Frentzen was firmly in control at the front when he came upon backmarkers
on lap 16. By lap 18 he had pitted and was out again. This allowed David
Coulthard into the lead with Schumacher behind in 2nd. Frentzen was now
after Schumacher and made some progress over a few laps.
The order was now Coulthard, Schumacher, Frentzen, Hakkinen, Alesi, Berger,
Larini, Barrichello, Panis, Salo, Magnussen, and Katayama. Schumacher was
busy getting messages to the pit by hand actions. By lap 24 Coulthard was
pulling away from Frentzen, but not from Schumacher too well. They then
came upon Katayama and managed to scrap through, closely followed by a
battle with Barrichello who let them through with no problems.
On lap 28, Coulthard showed that he mean business by setting a 1m31.412
fastest lap. On lap 29, Berger pitted from 6th place, with Ferrari ready
for Schumacher. The order was now Coulthard, Schumacher, Frentzen, Hakkinen,
Alesi and Berger. On lap 31, Schumacher pitted and was out in around 11
seconds. He was now charging back, and wanted to get by Nakano, who in the
process of giving the space was forced off the track by Schumacher. Word was
now coming that Alesi had been given the "IN" board for many laps, but
resolutely was refusing to obey it. He was to rue that move on lap 33 when
he pulled off the track - out of fuel.
By lap 34, Frentzen was back in the lead after stops, and set a 1m30.780
fastest lap. By lap 38 he had pulled out a useful gap over Coulthard in
second place of 23 seconds, with Schumacher and Hakkinen in pursuit. On
lap 41 Williams were ready for a pit stop, and duly he pitted for his second
stop compared to the others 1. Head was not impressed with the progress of
his charge, but was even more disgusted with a locking right rear wheel
costing the team an extra 7 seconds. Coulthard and Schumacher had took the
place.
It was now Coulthard, Schumacher, Frentzen, Hakkinen, Berger and Panis
making up the top 6, with Frentzen making some progress but not enough it
was thought. Through the forties Coulthard kept Schumacher in check, and he
in turn kept Frentzen in check. None of them seemed interested in making a
move on the other. As lap 51 appeared Frentzen started to push on
Schumacher, when Schumacher pitted! The team had had a problem with the fuel
rig earlier, and was now paying the price, with a late splash and dash.
This, however, was nothing compared to Frentzens drama on lap 56 when his
left front brake disk exploded and spun him off the track. It was a cruel
blow for the German. And so Coulthard now had 23 seconds over Schumacher and
sailed to a well deserved victory. The first for McLaren since 1993, and the
first for Mercedes for 40 years.
Coulthard
Schumacher
Hakkinen
Berger
Panis
Larini
Nakano
Frentzen
Trulli
Diniz
auto-moto.44vpoznanovic,
F1: Australian GP winners' press conference
DC This is fantastic this is actually a better feeling
than when I won my first grand prix for Williams.
One, because it was a little bit unexpected here
after the first race, especially after the
qualifying form of the Williams and I guess I've got
Eddie to thank for causing a bit of agrivation at
the first corner.
Q Going back to the first corner, that provided quite
a big advantage for you.
DC That's right. I was alongside Michael and trying to
decide what to do before entering the corner and
then Eddie came flying down on the inside so I just
thought keep out of trouble and it worked to my
advantage.
Q Were you surprised later on in the race when you
didn't see Heinz-Harold Frentzen coming out in front
of you after his second stop?
DC Yeah. I was very surprised because he pulled away a
lot at the start. Obviously he was on a two stop
strategy so that helped him and I expected that he'd
be able to pit and come out still in the lead, but I
was leading for the most part of the race and when I
saw him come up towards the end I thought that maybe
there'd be some trouble but the gap wasn't really
coming down that quickly and he had to obviously get
by Michael as well.
Q Were you aware that he had gone of the track towards
the end of the race?
DC Yeah, was it him at the first corner? One minute he
was 2 seconds behind me and then the next minute he
was gone and I saw some dust down there so I
presumed he went off at the first corner.
Q David, congratulations.
Q Michael, you were on David's tail pretty much for
the whole race. Are you pleased to be second today?
MS Yeah, I mean there was no chance to get any better
position. I was a bit unpleased obviously when I had
to come in again to the pits because it would have
meant I lose the second position. Obviously
Heinz-Harold went off and I could rejoin in second
position. I wasn't hoping for more to be honest the
podium was the maximum I was hoping for. We acheived
that. Good points, so a good start to the season.
Q When Heinz-Harold came up behind you, did you think
he was going to be able to get past?
MS I knew I was quicker than David but I knew I didn't
have any chance to pass him so the same was for
Heinz-Harold.
Q Did you have any trouble at the start of the race
because it was a bit messy there at the first
corner?
MS I just took off badly, that was the only trouble I
had, which I have to say luckily I took off badly
otherwise Eddie would have taken off myself as well.
MH I don't think it could have been much better than
this. Of course I would prefer to swap the places
with David but for the team it's fantastic. All the
hard work that's been going through the test
sessions and many years, it's started paying off
now. It's just fabulous. I'm just really happy, a
little bit emotional also because it's been a tough
time many years.
auto-moto.45space.ace,
>> DAVID COULTHARD !!! Neverovatno, McLaren osvaja jos jednu pobedu.
Koju to još jednu pobedu, leba ti??? Nisu pobedili 50 trka pre ove,
čoveče...
>> Schumacher je bio drugi, Hakkinen treci. Hill nije ni poceo trku,
>> Villeneuve se slupao, Frentzen i Alesi takodje. Moje misljenje je da se
Alesi se nije slupao, već je odustao, najverovatnije zbog greške u
proračunima za gorivo. Ne širi lažne informacije...
auto-moto.46space.ace,
>> me je start odusevio. Svi favoriti su poizletali na pocetku. Ali, sta je
Koji su to svi favoriti? Da možda ne ubrajaš Hill-a u favorita ;)...
Svaka čast Hill-u, ali mislim da se ove sezone žestoko za*ebao, i ovo
će mu po svemu sudeći biti poslednja sezona, jer ga nijedan bolji tim
neće angažovati sledeće (osim ako nije potpisao ugovor na 2 godine,
što mi nije poznato). Jadničak...
Šumaher, s druge strane, postaje sve halapljiviji... Ferrari je morao
da uzme Marlboro za partnera zbog njega... Doduže, čovek vozi super,
ali tu su sad McLaren momci... ;)
auto-moto.47darth.vader,
>> Koji su to svi favoriti? Da mozda ne ubrajas Hill-a u favorita
>> ;)...
Pa nikad ga ja nisam ni smatrao za favorita. On je, blago receno, vezara.
Vilnev je favorit koliko ja znam.
>> Svaka cast Hill-u, ali mislim da se ove sezone zestoko
>> za*ebao, i ovo ce mu po svemu sudeci biti poslednja sezona,
Iskreno se nadam. Smatram da nije trebao da pobedi ni prosle godine.
>> jer ga nijedan bolji tim nece angazovati sledece (osim ako
>> nije potpisao ugovor na 2 godine, sto mi nije poznato).
>> Jadnicak...
Eeee, ima ljudi i koji ga zale. On je jednostavno prosecan vozac
kao npr. Katayama. Nista on nije extra.
>> Sumaher, s druge strane, postaje sve halapljiviji... Ferrari
>> je morao da uzme Marlboro za partnera zbog njega... Doduze,
>> covek vozi super, ali tu su sad McLaren momci... ;)
Da :) McLaren ima ubedljivo najbolji tim vozaca, solidne mehanicare
sto se tice vremena na pit-line-u, najlepsi bolid ;), i vise im nista
ne treba... ;) Osim mozda po koji sampionat ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.48darth.vader,
>> Alesi se nije slupao, vec je odustao, najverovatnije zbog
>> greske u proracunima za gorivo. Ne siri lazne informacije...
Pa lepo ja rekoh da je covek najveci baxuz koga je Formula 1
videla od kako postoji. Jednostavno mu se ne da da zavrsi trku,
a kamoli da pobedi. :(
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.49stukelj,
<*> Koju to jos jednu pobedu, leba ti??? Nisu pobedili 50 trka pre ove,
<*> covece...
E hvala ti, nisam znao ! Da nije McLaren _malo_ trofejniji tim od
Benetona, Williams-a i Ferrari-a ?!? Ovo "jos jednu pobedu" se odnosilo
da su konacno pobedili posle 3 godine...
auto-moto.50swix,
=> Da :) McLaren ima ubedljivo najbolji tim vozaca, solidne mehanicare
=> sto se tice vremena na pit-line-u, najlepsi bolid ;), i vise im nista
=> ne treba... ;) Osim mozda po koji sampionat ;)))
I moram to da kazem "najlepsi" motor -> obooozavam sve u vezi Mercedes-a
auto-moto.51swix,
=> videla od kako postoji. Jednostavno mu se ne da da zavrsi trku,
=> a kamoli da pobedi. :(
Uzgred budi receno Alesi je "pobedjivo" doduse samo jednm ali...
auto-moto.52darth.vader,
>> => videla od kako postoji. Jednostavno mu se ne da da zavrsi
>> trku, => a kamoli da pobedi. :(
>> Uzgred budi receno Alesi je "pobedjivo" doduse samo jednm ali...
Ma ok, to mu je bio rodjendan, ljudi se dogovorili da mu poklone trku ;))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.53space.ace,
>> E hvala ti, nisam znao ! Da nije McLaren _malo_ trofejniji tim od
>> Benetona, Williams-a i Ferrari-a ?!?
Slažem se sa tobom, ali ipak nije trofejniji od Ferrari-ja :). Ipak,
crveno je crveno, osim kad se ne koristi drugačije...
>>Ovo "jos jednu pobedu" se odnosilo
>> da su konacno pobedili posle 3 godine...
Sigurno nije tako zvučalo, ali nije bitno. Bitno je to da su oni konačno
prevazišli nedostatak Honde i Senne, i da će početi da pobeđuju (ili je
ova trka bila prava sreća za njih, pošto su ispali favoriti).
auto-moto.54swix,
=> Ma ok, to mu je bio rodjendan, ljudi se dogovorili da mu poklone trku ;))
=>
=> See ya, Darth :)
Bilo je to u potpunosti zasluzeno ........ mada ... i to sto kazes
... i taj rodjndan ....... kako bash tad.... ? ;)
auto-moto.55swix,
=> Slazem se sa tobom, ali ipak nije trofejniji od Ferrari-ja :). Ipak,
=> crveno je crveno, osim kad se ne koristi drugacije...
Najtrofejniji je ipak McLaren sa 8 ( i slovima : OSAM :))) osvojenih titula
za najbolje konstruktore.
Ferrari je losiji od njega (dakle drugi :) sa svega 8 osvojenih titula
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Zatim idu williams(mislim 3 ili 4) i beneton(1) -> ove ste naveli tako da za
ove i odgovaram (mada pitanje bash i nije postojalo :)
auto-moto.56darth.vader,
>> => Ma ok, to mu je bio rodjendan, ljudi se dogovorili da mu
>> poklone trku ;))
>> Bilo je to u potpunosti zasluzeno ........ mada ... i to sto
>> kazes ... i taj rodjndan ....... kako bash tad.... ? ;)
Pa o tome ti i pricam ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.57tomislavr,
> Alesi se nije slupao, već je odustao, najverovatnije zbog greške u
> proračunima za gorivo. Ne širi lažne informacije...
Nije bila greška u proračunu, Alezija su zvali par puta u boks, ali on
nije hteo da uđe, pa je par krugova kasnije parkirao bolid. Kažu da je
Flavio bio vrlo ljut na njega...
auto-moto.58tomislavr,
> Pa lepo ja rekoh da je covek najveci baxuz koga je Formula 1
> videla od kako postoji. Jednostavno mu se ne da da zavrsi trku,
> a kamoli da pobedi. :(
Nije on baksuz, već izgleda da mu glava baš ne radi najbolje. Često
izaziva incidente, ili gluposti kao ovaj na zadnjoj trci, i zbog toga
od njega verovatno nikad neće biti ništa. Imaće par dobrih trka u
karijeri bez ikakvog rezultata.
auto-moto.59tomislavr,
> => Slazem se sa tobom, ali ipak nije trofejniji od Ferrari-ja :). Ipak,
> => crveno je crveno, osim kad se ne koristi drugacije...
> Najtrofejniji je ipak McLaren sa 8 ( i slovima : OSAM :))) osvojenih titula
> za najbolje konstruktore.
Najtrofejniji je Ferrari sa 8 titula ako ni zbog čega onda bar zato što
proizvode i motore i šasije, McLaren ima 8 ali sa različitim
proizvođačima motora. Mislim da Ford ima 12, kao proizvođač motora i da
je to rekord.
auto-moto.60darth.vader,
Subj: Alezi baxuz ?
>> Nije on baksuz, vec izgleda da mu glava bas ne radi najbolje.
>> Cesto izaziva incidente, ili gluposti kao ovaj na zadnjoj
>> trci, i zbog toga od njega verovatno nikad nece biti nista.
>> Imace par dobrih trka u karijeri bez ikakvog rezultata.
Ja ipak mislim da nije on tako los vozac. Ali je malerozan svakako.
Koliko puta mu je prosle sezone crko motor, ili nije mogo da nastavi
zbog toga sto mu se ugasio motor, ili mu se zeznu kocnice ?
To se nije desavalo dok je Sumaher bio u Benetonu.
Isto tako, kada je Alezi vozio za Ferrari, nije mogo da sastavi
2 trke zaredom da zavrsi.
Ja ipak to sve pripisujem njegovom baxuzluku.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.61obren,
Žak Vilnev je ponovo napao Ferarijevog vozača Edija Irvajna, koji ga je
izgurao sa staze na prvoj krivini u Australiji.
Vilnev: Nijedan vozač ga ne voli. Kada neko napravi ozbiljnu grešku zato
što ne misli a onda konstantno optužuje druge, to postaje pomalo dosadno.
Nekoliko puta prošle sezone je dovodio sebe u takvu poziciju, dodao je
Vilnev.
Džoni Herbert, koji je takođe izguran od strane Irvajna je naglasio:
Edi se zaista ponekad ponaša kao idiot. Ljut sam na njega, ali ne zbog
onoga što je učinio. On je takav, podivlja s vremena na vreme. Besan sam
zato što nikad ne priznaje da je napravio grešku.
Za sada nikakve sankcije protiv Irvajna nisu preduzete od strane
zvaničnika FIA-e.
auto-moto.62obren,
Povratak Prosta?
Kruže glasine da Alan Prost ne isključuje mogućnost svog povratka u
Formulu 1 kao vozača u sopstvenom timu (Prost racing) u 1998 sezoni.
Prost namerava da napravi potpuno francuski tim, pa je u tom cilju
bilo razgovora sa Michelinom i Peugeotom.
auto-moto.63obren,
Beneton ljut na Alezija
Beneton je ljut na Žana Alezija zbog greške koju je napravio u toku trke
za Veliku nagradu Australije u Nedelju. Alezi je ostao bez goriva jer je
ignorisao signale iz boksa da treba da uđe na dolivanje. Flavio Briatore
je bio vrlo jasan: "On čak nije video našeg dvometraša Nika Virta koji
mu je pokazivao znak da dođe u pit. Alezi je idiot i to slep."
auto-moto.64swix,
> Prost namerava da napravi potpuno francuski tim, pa je u tom cilju
> bilo razgovora sa Michelinom i Peugeotom.
Prost je vec dogovorio sa Peugeotom za njihove motore. Od sledece sezone pa
valjda do 2000.
O Michelinu moram da kazem nista nisam cuo (a nije da neslusam :)
auto-moto.65darth.vader,
>> Vilnev: Nijedan vozac ga ne voli. Kada neko napravi ozbiljnu
>> gresku zato sto ne misli a onda konstantno optuzuje druge, to
>> postaje pomalo dosadno. Nekoliko puta prosle sezone je dovodio
>> sebe u takvu poziciju, dodao je Vilnev.
Ja se secam prosle sezone, Monte Karla, kada je Mika Hakinen hteo
da bije Irvajna jer je izazvao lancani sudar (3-4 bolida) ;)))
To je bila trka...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.66darth.vader,
>> Kruze glasine da Alan Prost ne iskljucuje mogucnost svog
Alene Oprosti ;)))
auto-moto.67vpoznanovic,
>> F1: Australian GP Saturday Qualifying
>>
>> Odakle uzimas ove podatke, ako nije tajna ?
Nije tajna, izvor je Motorsport News International.
Samo, stvar je u tome što su oni u posljednje vrijeme prilično spori,
tako da obično pokupim rezultate s nekog drugog mjesta, a onda ih
konvertujem u njihov format, koji mi se najviše dopada.
auto-moto.68stukelj,
<*> Ja se secam prosle sezone, Monte Karla, kada je Mika Hakinen hteo
<*> da bije Irvajna jer je izazvao lancani sudar (3-4 bolida) ;)))
<*> To je bila trka...
Ako se ja dobro secam, tu su bili Hakkinen, Irvine, Salo. :)
auto-moto.69swix,
> Nije tajna, izvor je Motorsport News International.
Naravno mogla bi i adresa (ako sam dobro razumeo do bi trebao da bude
InterNet :).
auto-moto.70darth.vader,
>> <*> Ja se secam prosle sezone, Monte Karla, kada je Mika
>> Hakinen hteo <*> da bije Irvajna jer je izazvao lancani sudar
>> (3-4 bolida) ;))) <*> To je bila trka...
>> Ako se ja dobro secam, tu su bili Hakkinen, Irvine, Salo. :)
Moguce... :) Trka je zakon :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.71space.ace,
>> Moguce... :) Trka je zakon :)
I pobedio je onaj tupko Panis. Inače i sam Panis je malo grublje
odgurnuo Irvajna i uzeo pobedu :)
auto-moto.72baker,
> > Nije tajna, izvor je Motorsport News International.
>
> Naravno mogla bi i adresa (ako sam dobro razumeo do bi trebao
> da bude InterNet :).
Da to sam i mislio.
auto-moto.73darth.vader,
>> I pobedio je onaj tupko Panis. Inace i sam Panis je malo
>> grublje odgurnuo Irvajna i uzeo pobedu :)
Da, ali mi je bilo draze sto je on pobedio nego da je pobedio
Neko od Frenkovih momaka ;)
Steta je bilo za Hakinena...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.74space.ace,
>> Da, ali mi je bilo draze sto je on pobedio nego da je pobedio
>> Neko od Frenkovih momaka ;)
Čekaj, Panis nije nikakav vozač, običan prosek (iliti presek :),
bio je znatno sporiji od favorita i uopšte onih ispred njega,
nije uleteo ni u jedan sudar, vozikao se okolo i pobedio. Posle
trke od njega napraviše heroja, i rekoše kako je on sam uspeo
da nadvlada ostale vozače (čini mi se još trojica su ostala u
trci :) i da osvoji grand prix. Po meni, ta pobeda uopšte nije
neka pobeda, jer sam tako mogao i ja da pobedim.
>> Steta je bilo za Hakinena...
Hakinen, Hakinen, bruka jedna. Čovek se stvarno trudi, ali nema
sreće, pa to ti je. Počinjem da mislim da je već digao ruke od
pobeđivanja u Formuli, i da mu je svega dosta.
auto-moto.75vpoznanovic,
>> Naravno mogla bi i adresa (ako sam dobro razumeo do bi trebao da bude
>> InterNet :).
Zašto da ne, adresa je www.motorsport.com.
auto-moto.76baker,
> Zasto da ne, adresa je www.motorsport.com.
Hvala.
auto-moto.77darth.vader,
>> Cekaj, Panis nije nikakav vozac, obican prosek (iliti presek
>> :), bio je znatno sporiji od favorita i uopste onih ispred
>> njega, nije uleteo ni u jedan sudar, vozikao se okolo i
>> pobedio. Posle trke od njega napravise heroja, i rekose kako
>> je on sam uspeo da nadvlada ostale vozace (cini mi se jos
>> trojica su ostala u trci :) i da osvoji grand prix. Po meni,
Ok, ne kazem ja da je on neki heroj ili tako nesto, ali kazem da
mi je bilo draze sto je on pobedio, nego da je pobedio Hil. Ili
ne daj Boze Sumaher !
>> ta pobeda uopste nije neka pobeda, jer sam tako mogao i ja da
>> pobedim.
Ma naravno, svi smo mogli da pobedimo ;)))
>> Hakinen, Hakinen, bruka jedna. Covek se stvarno trudi, ali
>> nema srece, pa to ti je. Pocinjem da mislim da je vec digao
>> ruke od pobedivanja u Formuli, i da mu je svega dosta.
Pa nema srece, ali Alezija nije zajeb*o ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.78obren,
> Čekaj, Panis nije nikakav vozač, običan prosek (iliti presek :),
> bio je znatno sporiji od favorita i uopšte onih ispred njega,
> nije uleteo ni u jedan sudar, vozikao se okolo i pobedio. Posle
> trke od njega napraviše heroja, i rekoše kako je on sam uspeo
> da nadvlada ostale vozače (čini mi se još trojica su ostala u
> trci :) i da osvoji grand prix. Po meni, ta pobeda uopšte nije
> neka pobeda, jer sam tako mogao i ja da pobedim.
Bogami, ne sećaš se ti one trke uopšte ;) Pošto sam i onda navijao
za Ligier-Mugen pažljivo sam pratio Panisa. Činjenice su da:
- odlično poznaje stazu u Monaku i uz to mu je legla kiša po kojoj
zna da vozi
- u toj trci je 4-5 puta obarao najbrži krug (ipak nije ga držao do
kraja trke pošto se staza prosušila i skinuo ga je mislim Alezi pred
kraj trke)
- iako je staza u MC vrlo zajebana za obilaženje on je imao ubedljivo
najviše preticanja van boksa (_dva puta_ Irvajna, pre i posle njegovog
odlaska u boks, jednom Kultarda i još par, kojih se ne sećam ovako iz
glave ali znam da sam skakao sa stolice ;).
Panis je u Monte-Karlu odvezao verovatno najbolju trku u karijeri
i ne može se reći da se tek tako vozikao do pobede. Seti se da su
kada je on nailazio pokazivali nekim mnogo poznatijim vozačima plavu
zastavu da se sklone. Takođe, među četvoricom koja su završila trku
bio je i Dejvid Kultard pa što nije pobedio?
E sad, nisam lud da mislim da bi pobedio čak i da su Hil (ne svojom
krivicom) i Šumaher (u krivini se skreće ;) ostali u trci, ali je među
ostalim vozačima ubedljivo dominirao dok je staza bila mokra. Posle je
samo Alezi bio ispred njega dok nije odustao ali je Panis i dalje
_čvrsto_ držao "priključak" (onaj lančani sudar nije uopšte uticao na
njegovu poziciju jer je bio daleko ispred kolone).
auto-moto.79ppecanac,
Evo nekih slika sa trke F1 u australiji pre dve nedelje.
Rezolucija je oko 750:450.
(skinute su sa benetton-ovog home-a)
au97d202.jpgauto-moto.80ppecanac,
Jos jedna, pre trke. (u boxu)
au97d30.jpgauto-moto.81ppecanac,
I jos jedna.
au97d300.jpgauto-moto.83nesha,
He, ajd kad ti kazesh.. Ja se takodje secam iste trke, i
isto tako dobro znam da je Panis ishao u box malko vishe puta od
svih ostalih, pa nije ni chudo shto je mogao da pretiche sa lakshim
bolidom i sa svezijim gumama od ostalih. Taj ne bi bio iznad 5.
mesta da su svi zavrshili trku. Ovo shto rekoh podrazumeva i
najbrze krugove koje je vozio: malo goriva i sveze gume chine chuda
po tom pitanju, mada je Alesi odvezo bolji krug i pored svega.
Chisto je imao srece zato shto na stazi nije bilo puno bolida pa je
mogao da iskoristi prednosti taktike sa vishe odlazaka u boks do
maksimuma..
auto-moto.84swix,
> po tom pitanju, mada je Alesi odvezo bolji krug i pored svega.
> Chisto je imao srece zato shto na stazi nije bilo puno bolida pa je
> mogao da iskoristi prednosti taktike sa vishe odlazaka u boks do
> maksimuma..
Mozda je i ta "sreca" deo taktike ?!?!?! :)
Je*es Reno i Ferrari kad im stalno riknjavaju motori, Sumi se kurci i oce
odmah da pobedi, Hakkinen nema srece, kao ni Alesi. Da ne nabrajam vise mislim
da je zasluzeno pobedio i sta jos da se kaze.
Zasluzeno jer je Hondica [:*] izdrzala sve pritiske, a taktika je bila
odlicna jer svaka malo veca budala za F1 zna da u Monaku u zadnjih 5-10 godina
ne zavrsi trku bar pola bolida, neretko i vise od pola, a ni ta trka nije bila
neki izuzetak. To znaci manje bolida tj, manje guzve, manje ometanja, vece
brzine i naravno bolja vremena.
Hvala na paznji dragi gledaoci i prijatno :)
auto-moto.85space.ace,
>> Bogami, ne sećaš se ti one trke uopšte ;) Pošto sam i onda navijao
>> za Ligier-Mugen pažljivo sam pratio Panisa. Činjenice su da:
Čini mi se da se sećam. No, trku imam snimljenu, pa ću je još jedared
pogledati, da proverim ove tvoje činjenice.
>> najviše preticanja van boksa (_dva puta_ Irvajna, pre i posle njegovog
Prvo preticanje Irvajna se ne može nazvati preticanjem, jer je Panis
"blago" odgurnuo Irvajna i prošao pored njega, mislim da je to bilo u
onoj levoj ukosnici (pred tunel, stalno joj ime zaboravljam ;), posle
čega je Irvajn otišao u box. Ili je to možda bilo drugo preticanje :)?
>> Panis je u Monte-Karlu odvezao verovatno najbolju trku u karijeri
>> i ne može se reći da se tek tako vozikao do pobede. Seti se da su
Da, najbolju trku... Poštujem ja što si ti navijao za njega, ali mora
se priznati da nije vozio tako dobro kao što ti kažeš. Pogledaj još
jednom start, koji je bio na njemu, i koji je bio u prvoj krivini.
Loše. Dalje tokom trke uopšte nije napredovao, čak je pao jedno mesto
(ne sećam se tačno, oprostite ako grešim), ali je već kod prvih pit-
stopova počeo da se penje. Razlog: odustajanje velikog broja vozača :).
>> bio je i Dejvid Kultard pa što nije pobedio?
Zato što je on još kilaviji od Panisa ;). NEgo, nevezano za ovo, sećate
li se zadnje Kultardove trke za Williams, Adelaide. Čovek je pri ulasku
u box nastavio pravo umesto da skrene desno i zabio se u zid. E, mislio
sam da je to njegova greška, ali se ispostavilo da je ulje na stazi.
No, ja sam i dalje mislio suprotno, do pre neki dan, kada se i meni desila
slična stvar (dobro, ne u bolidu F1, već u mom Passatu), kada sam u
desnoj "U" krivini, pri samom izlasku iz nje, produžio pravo, iz istog
razloga kao i Dejvid :). Jedva sam izvukao kola iz jendeka :)).
>> krivicom) i Šumaher (u krivini se skreće ;) ostali u trci, ali je među
>> ostalim vozačima ubedljivo dominirao dok je staza bila mokra. Posle je
Joj, nešto me vučeš da tražim ovu trku po kasetama, uopšte nisam uveren
da je "dominirao".
>> samo Alezi bio ispred njega dok nije odustao ali je Panis i dalje
>> _čvrsto_ držao "priključak" (onaj lančani sudar nije uopšte uticao na
Da, Alezi mu je bežao sekund po krugu, to ja zovem priključak ;).
auto-moto.86darth.vader,
>> zastavu da se sklone. Takode, medu cetvoricom koja su zavrsila
>> trku bio je i Dejvid Kultard pa sto nije pobedio?
E ako ti zavrsetkom trke nazivas onaj Frentzenov ulazak u boks
u poslednjem krugu, onda svaka ti cast...
auto-moto.87swix,
(Mozda i nije za ovu conferenciju ali neznam gde bi je drugde umetnuo)
Aj nek neko kaze (ko zna): Jel postoji neka grupa so se bavi Formulom 1 ?
p.s. pa jos ako ima koje prazno mesto O:)
auto-moto.88darth.vader,
>> Aj nek neko kaze (ko zna): Jel postoji neka grupa so se bavi
>> Formulom 1 ?
E, stvarno, ako ima, ocu i ja da orbitiram tamo :)
auto-moto.89stefan,
>>> Aj nek neko kaze (ko zna): Jel postoji neka grupa so se bavi
>>> Formulom 1 ?
>
>E, stvarno, ako ima, ocu i ja da orbitiram tamo :)
A šta će vam grupa? :)
auto-moto.90nesha,
re: Panis + Honda suvereno vladaju..
Deder, magu, reci mi koliko je puta proshle godine reno crko
za vreme trke, i da li je Aleziju te trke u Monaku crko motor ili
neshto drugo. A ako vec planirash da vozish POUZDANU trku i da se
nadash da cesh makar da istrajesh do kraja, sigurno necesh da idesh
u boks vishe puta, i to u boks koji je sklepan,a ne pravi regularni
boks kao na ostalim stazama, nego cesh bogme da stavish vishe
goriva, tvrdje gume i polako.. A Panis je na gomili trka vozio sa
vishe pitstopova, i to izgleda zato shto je LIgier malko vishe
habao gume, a ne zbog njihove taktike i evetualne prednosti nad
ostalima usled korishcenja iste. (al sklepah rechenicu..)
auto-moto.91swix,
> re: Panis + Honda suvereno vladaju..
Ja ovo nisam reko. Nevolim Panis-a (nija ni da ga mrzim - ravnodusan), a
Hondu obozavam, medjutim, opet, ja ovo nisam reko.
> Deder, magu, reci mi koliko je puta proshle godine reno crko
> za vreme trke, i da li je Aleziju te trke u Monaku crko motor ili
Oni riknu bas kad netreba.
> neshto drugo. A ako vec planirash da vozish POUZDANU trku i da se
> nadash da cesh makar da istrajesh do kraja, sigurno necesh da idesh
> u boks vishe puta, i to u boks koji je sklepan,a ne pravi regularni
> boks kao na ostalim stazama, nego cesh bogme da stavish vishe
> goriva, tvrdje gume i polako.. A Panis je na gomili trka vozio sa
> vishe pitstopova, i to izgleda zato shto je LIgier malko vishe
> habao gume, a ne zbog njihove taktike i evetualne prednosti nad
> ostalima usled korishcenja iste. (al sklepah rechenicu..)
Bas je sklepa ;)
On je pobedio i ti mozes samo da ga mrzis (sto najverovatnije i jeste tacno).
Hondica je izdrzala, Panis je pobedio, i tacka(.) .
Pozdrav!
p.s. To za gume: neverujem da ih Ligier vise trosi od ostalih, jer su svi (do
ove godine) imali iste gume. Panis nema neki "besan" stil voznje (tipa Alesi)
vec on rano koci pred krivinama i ne ulece u njih sa 300 na sat (fraza).
auto-moto.92swix,
>
> A sta ce vam grupa? :)
>>>> Aj nek neko kaze (ko zna): Jel postoji neka grupa so se bavi
>>>> Formulom 1 ?
>>
>> E, stvarno, ako ima, ocu i ja da orbitiram tamo :)
>
> A sta ce vam grupa? :)
Treba nam. Neka me (nas) "puste" unutra pa ces da vidis sta ce mi(nam).
auto-moto.93vpoznanovic,
Da bismo bili u toku sa svim najvažnijim takmičenjima autosporta...
1997 International Racing Calendar
Formula 1 World Championship
Mar 9 Melbourne (AUS)
Mar 30 Interlagos (BR)
Apr 13 Buenos Aires (RA)
Apr 27 Imola (I)
May 11 Monaco (MC)
May 25 Barcelona (E)
Jun 15 Montreal (CDN)
Jun 29 Magny-Cours (F)
Jul 13 Silverstone (GB)
Jul 27 Hockenheim (D)
Aug 10 Hungeroring (H)
Aug 24 Spa-Francorchaps (B)
Sep 7 Monza (I)
Sep 21 A1-Ring (A)
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Oct 12 Suzuka (J)
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PPG Championship Auto Racing Teams World Series
(USA unless otherwise stated)
Mar 2 Homestead
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Apr 13 Long Beach
Apr 27 Nazareth
May 11 Rio de Janeiro (BR)
May 24 Gateway International
Jun 1 Milwaukee
Jun 8 Detroit
Jun 22 Portland
Jul 13 Cleveland
Jul 20 Toronto (CDN)
Jul 27 Michigan
Aug 10 Mid-Ohio
Aug 17 Road America
Aug 31 Vancouver (CDN)
Sep 7 Laguna Seca
Sep 28 California Speedway
Indy Racing League (USA)
Jan 25 Disney World
Mar 23 Phoenix
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Jun 7 Texas Int'l Speedway
Jun 29 Colorado Springs
Jul 26 Charlotte
Aug 24 New Hampshire
Oct 11 Las Vegas
FIA F3000 Championship
May 11 Silverstone (GB)
May 19 Pau (F)
May 25 Helsinki (SF)
Jun 29 Nurburgring (D)
Jul 20 Enna-Pergusa (I)
Jul 26 Hockenheim (D)
Aug 3 A1-Ring (A)
Aug 23 Spa-Francorchamps (B)
Sep 28 Mugello (I)
Oct 25 Estoril (P)
British F3000 Championship
Mar 28 Oulton Park
Apr 13 Brands Hatch
Apr 20 Donington Park
May 5 Snetterton
Jun 8 Donington Park
Jun 22 Snetterton
Aug 17 Brands Hatch
Aug 31 Silverstone
Sep 13 Oulton Park
tba Silverstone
(Dates are provisional)
Formula Nippon Championship (Japan)
Apr 27 Suzuka
May 18 Mine
Jun 1 Fuji
Jul 6 Suzuka
Aug 3 Sugo
Aug 31 Fuji
Sep 14 Mine
Sep 28 Motegi
Oct 19 Fuji
Nov 9 Suzuka
Mexican F3000 Championship
Mar 9 Monterrey
Apr 6 San Luis Potosi
Apr 27 Zacatecas
May 18 Saltillo
Jun 15 Mexico City
Jul 13 Pachuca
Aug 3 Chichiahua
Aug 24 Jalisco
Sep 7 La Laguna
Oct 5 Queretaro
Oct 26 San Luis Potosi
Nov 16 Mexico City
Indy Lights Championship (USA)
Mar 2 Homestead
Apr 13 Long Beach
Apr 27 Nazareth
May 18 Savannah
May 24 Gateway International
Jun 1 Milwaukee
Jun 8 Detroit
Jun 22 Portland
Jul 20 Toronto (CDN)
Aug 3 Trois-Rivieres (CDN)
Aug 31 Vancouver (CDN)
Sep 7 Laguna Seca
Toyota Atlantic (USA)
Mar 1 Homestead
Apr 12 Long Beach
Apr 26 Nazareth
May 31 Milwaukee
Jun 14 Montreal (CDN)
Jul 13 Cleveland
Jul 19 Toronto (CDN)
Aug 3 Trois-Rivieres (CDN)
Aug 10 Mid-Ohio
Aug 17 Road America
Aug 30 Vancouver (CDN)
Sep 6 Laguna Seca
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1997 Formula 3 Series Calendar
British F3
Mar 23 Donington Park
Apr 6 Silverstone
Apr 13 Thruxton
Apr 27 Brands Hatch
May 18 Croft
Jun 1 Silverstone
Jun 22 Oulton Park
Jul 12 Silverstone
Aug 17 Pembrey
Aug 24 Donington Park
Sep 14 Snetterton
Sep 28 Spa-Francorchamps (B)
Oct 5 Silverstone
Oct 12 Thruxton
French F3
Mar 30 Nogaro
Apr 13 Ledenon
Apr 27 Magny-Cours
May 18 Pau
Jun 1 Dijon
Jun 8 Charade
Jun 22 Val de Vienne
Jul 6 Croix-en-Ternois
Jul 20 Paul Ricard
Sep 7 Albi
Sep 21 Le Mans Bugatti
German F3
Apr 27 Hockenheim
May 25 Nurburgring
Jun 15 Sachsenring
Jun 29 Norisring
Jul 13 Wunstorf
Aug 10 Zweibrucken
Aug 24 Salzburgring (A)
Sep 7 Lahr
Oct 5 Nurburgring
Italian F3
Mar 31 Magione
Apr 13 Mugello
May 4 Vellelunga
Jun 1 Enna-Pergusa
Jun 15 Varano
Jun 22 Monza
Jul 20 Magionne
Sep 21 Binetto
Oct 5 Imola
Oct 26 Misano
Japanese F3
Mar 30 Suzuka
Apr 20 Tsukuba
May 18 Mine
Jun 1 Fuji
Jul 6 Suzuka
Aug 3 Sugo
Sep 7 Sendai
Sep 28 Motegi
Oct 19 Fuji
Nov 9 Suzuka
Mexican F3
Apr 13 Jalisco
May 11 Mexico City
Jun 8 Zacatecas
Jun 29 Monterrey
Jul 20 Saltillo
Aug 17 San Luis Potosi
Sep 28 Chihuahua
Nov 9 Veracruz
Nov 23 Mexico City
Dec 7 tba
South American F3
Mar 16 Temuco (RCH)
Mar 23 Parana (RA)
Apr 20 Interlagos (BR)
May 18 Buenos Aires (RA)
Jun 22 Interlagos (BR)
Jul 6 tba (RA/PER)
Aug 3 tba (BR)
Aug 31 tba (BR)
Sep 14 tba (RA)
Oct 19 Piriapolis (URG)
Nov 23 tba (BR)
Dec 7 tba (RA)
(Dates provisional)
Other major F3 races
May 10 Monaco (MC)
Aug 3 Zandvoort (NL)
Nov 16 Macau (P)
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1997 GT Series Calendar
FIA GT Championship
Apr 6 Hockenheim (D)
Apr 20 Jarama (E)
May 11 Silverstone (GB)
May 25 Helsinki (SF)
Jun 29 Nurburgring (D)
Jul 13 Spa-Francorchamps (B)
Aug 3 A1-Ring (A)
Aug 24 Suzuka (J)
Sep 7 Donington Park (GB)
Sep 28 Mugello (I)
Oct 19 Sebring (USA)
Oct 26 Laguna Seca (USA)
Le Mans 24 Hours
Jun 14/15 Le Mans (F)
British GT Championship
Apr 6 Silverstone
Apr 27 Brands Hatch
May 18 Croft
Jun 8 Thruxton
Jun 22 Oulton Park
Jul 6 Donington Park
Aug 3 Donington Park
Aug 25 Brands Hatch
Oct 5 Silverstone
French GT Championship
Mar 30 Nogaro
Jun 1 Dijon
Jun 22 Val de Vienne
Jul 20 Paul Ricard
Sep 7 Albi
Oct 5 Nogaro
Italian GT Championship
Mar 16 Vallelunga
Apr 13 Varano
May 11 Misano
Jun 8 Magione
Jul 6 Vallelunga
Aug 31 Varano
Sep 14 Misano
Sep 28 Magione
Oct 26 Vallelunga
Nov 9 Magione
Japanese GT Championship
Mar 30 Suzuka
May 4 Fuji
Jun 29 Sendai
Aug 10 Fuji
Oct 5 Mine
Oct 26 Sugo
IMSA World Sports Car Championship (USA)
Feb 1/2 Daytona
Mar 15 Sebring
Apr 20 Road Atlanta
May 26 Lime Rock
Jun 1 Watkins Clen
Jul 13 Sears Point
Aug 17 Mosport Park (CDN)
Sep 20 Las Vegas
Oct 18 Sebring
Oct 26 Laguna Seca
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1997 Rally Series Calendar
World Rally Championship
Jan 18-23 Monte Carlo (MC)
Feb 7-10 Swedish (S)
Feb 28-3 Safari (EAK)
Mar 22-27 Portugal (P)
Apr 13-16 Catalunya (E)
May 4-8 Corsica (F)
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Aug 1-5 New Zealand (NZ)
Aug 29-1 1000 Lakes (NZ)
Sep 17-21 Indonesia (RI)
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Nov 21-24 RAC (GB)
Asia Pacific Championship
Mar 12-15 Singha Rally of Thailand (T)
Jun 20-23 China (CN)
Aug 1-5 New Zealand (NZ)
Sep 17-21 Indonesia (RI)
Oct 30-3 Australia (AUS)
FIA Cross Country Championship
Mar 1-3 Italian Baja (I)
Apr 3-13 Tunisia (TN)
May 8-19 Atlas (MA)
Jun 19-22 Baja Telecel 1000 (P)
Jul 10-13 Baja Espana (E)
Jul 31-13 Australian Safari (ASU)
Sep 7-28 Master Rally (F)
Nov 5-8 UAE Desert Challenge (UAE)
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1997 Touring Car Series Calendar
* indicates non-championship race
Australian TCC
Mar 9 Albert Park *
Mar 15 Calder
Apr 6 Surfers Paradise *
Apr 13 Phillip Island
Apr 27 Sandown
May 4 Symmons Plain
May 18 Winton
May 25 Eastern Creek
Jun 15 Lakeside
July 6 Wanneroo
Jul 13 Mallala
Aug 3 Oran Park
Sep 14 Sandown *
Oct 19 Bathurst *
Australian STCC
Mar 9 Albert Park *
May 4 Lakeside
Jun 1 Phillip Island
Jun 22 Calder Park
Jul 20 Amarro Park
Aug 10 Winton
Aug 24 Mallala
Oct 5 Bathurst *
Oct 26 Lakeside
Nov 9 Amaroo Park or Eastern Creek
Belgian TCC
Apr 20 Zolder
May 4 Spa-Francorchamps
May 25 Zolder
Jun 8 Zandvoort (NL)
Jun 22 Spa
Jul 6 Chimay
Sep 6 Zolder
Sep 28 Spa
British STC
Mar 31 Donington
Apr 20 Silverstone
May 5 Thruxton
May 18 Brands Hatch
May 26 Oulton Park
Jun 15 Donington Park
Jun 29 Croft
Aug 3 Knockhill
Aug 10 Snetterton
Aug 25 Thruxton
Sep 7 Brands Hatch
Sep 21 Silverstone
French TCC
Mar 30 Nogaro
Apr 13 Ledenon
Apr 27 Magny-Cours
May 18 Pau
Jun 1 Dijon
Jun 22 Val de Vienne
Jul 6 Croix-en-Ternois
Jul 20 Paul Ricard
Sep 7 Albi
Oct 12 Montlhery
German STC
Apr 27 Hockenheim
May 11 Zolder (B)
May 25 Nurburgring
Jun 15 Sachsenring
Jun 29 Norisring
Jul 13 Wunstorf
Aug 10 Zweibrucken
Aug 24 Salzburgring (A)
Sep 7 Lahr
Oct 5 Nurburgring
Italian STC
Apr 20 Monza
May 4 Mugello
May 18 Magione
Jun 8 Imola
Jun 22 Magione
Jul 6 Binetto
Aug 31 Enna-Pergusa
Sep 14 Varano
Sep 28 Misano
Oct 12 Vallelunga
Japanese STC
Apr 6 Fuji
May 11 TI Circuit
May 25 Sugo
Jun 8 Suzuka
Jul 13 Mine
Sep 7 Sendai
Sep 21 Tokachi
Nov 2 Fuji
North American STC
Apr 13 Long Beach
May 18 Savannah
Jun 8 Detroit
Jun 22 Portland
Jul 13 Celeveland
Jul 20 Toronto (CDN)
Aug 10 Mid-Ohio
Aug 31 Vancouver (CDN)
Sep 7 Laguna Seca
South African STC
Feb 22 Kyalami
Mar 22 Killarney
Apr 12 Aldo Scribante
May 3 Kyalami
May 31 Goldfields
Jun 28 Kyalami
Jul 26 East London
Sep 6 Kyalami
Sep 27 Aldo Scribante
Oct 25 Killarney
Nov 29 Kyalami *
Dec 6 Killarney *
South American STC
Apr 13 Buenos Aires (RA)
May 18 Buenos Aires (RA)
Jun 22 Interlagos (BR)
Jul 6 tba (RA/PER)
Aug 3 tba (BR)
Aug 31 tba (BR)
Sep 14 tba (RA)
Oct 12 Temuco (RCH)
Nov 9 tba (?)
Nov 23 tba (BR)
Dec 7 tba (RA)
(Dates provisional)
Spanish STC
Apr 13 Jarama
May 4 Jerez
Jun 1 Calafat
Jun 29 Barcelona
Sep 7 Cartagena
Oct 5 Albacete
Oct 26 Jarama
Nov 16 Barcelona
auto-moto.98vpoznanovic,
1997 Other Series Calendars
Barber Dodge Pro Series (USA)
Feb 23 St Petersburg
Mar 15 Sebring
Apr 13 Homestead
May 18 Savannah
May 26 Lime Rock
Jul 6 Minneapolis
Jul 13 Cleveland
Aug 10 Mid-Ohio
Aug 17 Road America
Sep 7 Laguna Seca
Oct 19 Reno
Oct 26 Laguna Seca
Formula Renault Eurocup
Mar 31 Nogaro (F)
May 4 Varano (I)
May 25 Misano (I)
Jun 9 Spa-Francorchamps (B)
Jul 5 Monza (I)
Aug 31 A1 Ring (A)
Sep 14 Donington Park (GB)
Oct 12 Hockenheim (D)
Nov 2 Barcelona (E)
Formula Opel European Union Series
Apr 20 Zolder (B)
Apr 27 Brands Hatch (GB)
May 11 Zolder (B)
Jun 8 Spa-Francorchamps (B)
Jul 20 Salzbrugring (A)
Aug 3 Spa-Francorchamps (B)
Aug 31 Nurburgring (D)
Sep 21 Mondello Park (IRL)
Oct 19 Donington Park (GB)
Trans Am Championship (USA)
Feb 23 St Petersburg
Apr 13 Homestead
Apr 20 Phoenix
May 26 Lime Rock
Jun 1 Mid-Ohio
Jun 7 Detroit
Jul 6 Minneapolis
Jul 12 Cleveland
Aug 3 Trois-Rivieres (CDN)
Aug 9 Watkins Glen
Aug 16 Road America
Sep 7 Colorado Springs
Oct 19 Reno
Oct 26 Laguna Seca
IROC Championship (USA)
Feb 14 Daytona
May 16 Charlotte
Jun 21 California Speedway
Jul 26 Michigan
Renault Spider Eurocup
Apr 27 Imola (I)
May 11 Monaco (MC)
May 25 Barcelona (E)
Jun 29 Magny-Cours (F)
Jul 13 Silverstone (GB)
Jul 27 Hockenheim (D)
Sep 7 Monza (I)
Oct 26 Estoril (P)
Nov 2 Barcelona (E)
Other Dates
May 3/4 Monaco Historics (MC)
Jun 20-22 Festival of Speed, Goodwood (GB)
Aug 1 Spa 24 Hours (B)
Oct 19 RAC Tourist Trophy, Donington Park (GB)
Nov 16 Macau Super Touring (P)
auto-moto.100vpoznanovic,
Brazilian Grand Prix
from Interlagos, Brazil
28th March 1997 - 30th March 1997
Friday Free Practice
15:00 CET 28th March 1997
17:00 CET 28th Match 1997
Saturday Free Practice
13:00 CET 29th March 1997
14:15 CET 29th March 1997
Saturday Qualifying
17:00 CET 29th March 1997
Sunday Warmup
13:30 CET 30th March 1997
Sunday Race
18:00 CET 30th March 1997
auto-moto.101ppecanac,
Bolid za 97. godinu, tj. OVO trenutno vozi Schumacher M.
ferari97.jpgauto-moto.103vpoznanovic,
CART Refines Restart Procedures for Oval and Road Course Events
CART Online (March 25,1997) -- Championship Auto Racing Teams has
amended its race restart procedures following a meeting of the CART
Board of Directors held on Thursday, March 20.
Restart procedures have been amended for oval track events as well as
road course events within 35 miles of their conclusion. On ovals, as
soon as a caution flag has been displayed, the pace car will be
dispatched and the pits will be closed. Once the pace car catches up
with the field, it will pass all backmarkers until it picks up the
race leader.
After the pace car picks up the leader, the remainder of the field
will line up behind the leader in single file. At that point, the pits
will open to all cars on the lead lap. On the following lap, the pits
will open to all cars in the field. When exiting the pits, all cars
will rejoin the field at the back of the line.
When the starter displays crossed flags, the cars will begin to align
themselves for the restart. All cars between the pace car and the
leader will be sent around the pace car and complete a lap in
preparation for proper realignment. The leader will drop to the inside
of the track, and all cars on the lead lap will go low and queue up
behind him, in running order.
Cars not on the lead lap will go high and join the back of the upper
line. They will not be aligned in running order. When the cars are
aligned properly, the starter will signal one lap until the green
flag, at the Chief Steward's discretion. The pace car will turn its
lights out and proceed to the pits, after which the green flag will be
thrown.
At road course events with fewer than 35 miles remaining, the pace car
will be dispatched as soon as a full-course yellow flag has been
displayed. The pits will remain open, subject to the leader's position
on the track. Once dispatched, the pace car will pick up either a) the
leader, b) the car on-track directly behind the leader, or c) the
leader exiting the pits.
The cars will line up in single file behind the pace car, after which
the pace car will pass around all cars between itself and the leader.
All cars passed by the pace car must go to the back of the line. Cars
on the lead lap which have not been passed around move forward behind
the leader in running order. At road course events with more than 35
miles remaining, the field will not be realigned.
When the cars are aligned properly, the starter will signal one lap
until the green flag, at the Chief Steward's discretion. The pace car
will turn its lights out and proceed to the pits, after which the
green flag will be thrown.
"These restart procedures will be faster to organize, simpler to
communicate from Race Control, easier for the fans to understand and
will reduce the risk of error," said Dennis Swan, CART chief steward,
in describing the revisions.
The 1997 PPG CART World Series continues with the Sunbelt IndyCarnival
Australia on Sunday, Apr. 6 at Surfers Paradise in Queensland,
Australia.
auto-moto.104swix,
Lola se povukla iz Formule 1 :)))))
Bas su se navozali trka. :)
auto-moto.105darth.vader,
>> Lola se povukla iz Formule 1 :)))))
>> Bas su se navozali trka. :)
:))))
Pa i bilo je vreme ;)
auto-moto.106baker,
> Saturday Free Practice
>
> 13:00 CET 29th March 1997
> 14:15 CET 29th March 1997
>
> Saturday Qualifying
>
> 17:00 CET 29th March 1997
>
> Sunday Warmup
>
> 13:30 CET 30th March 1997
>
> Sunday Race
>
> 18:00 CET 30th March 1997
Imali nesto od ovoga na nasoj televiziji (uzivo ili snimak) ?
Ako ima kad i gde ?
..
auto-moto.107vpoznanovic,
F1: Brazilian GP Friday 1st practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:17.506
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:17.829 0.323 0.323
3. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:18.000 0.171 0.494
4. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:18.261 0.261 0.755
5. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:18.437 0.176 0.931
6. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.479 0.042 0.973
7. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:18.488 0.009 0.982
8. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.818 0.330 1.312
9. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:18.978 0.160 1.472
10. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:19.271 0.293 1.765
11. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:19.326 0.055 1.820
12. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:19.408 0.082 1.902
13. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:19.456 0.048 1.950
14. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:19.573 0.117 2.067
15. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:19.613 0.040 2.107
16. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:19.963 0.350 2.457
17. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:20.076 0.113 2.570
18. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:20.520 0.444 3.014
19. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:20.521 0.001 3.015
20. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:20.787 0.266 3.281
21. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:21.120 0.333 3.614
22. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:21.864 0.744 4.358
107% of fastest time: 1:22.931
auto-moto.108vpoznanovic,
>> Imali nesto od ovoga na nasoj televiziji (uzivo ili snimak) ?
>>
>> Ako ima kad i gde ?
Kvalifikacije možda u Sportskom miksu Trećeg kanala u 18:00. U toku
dana očekujemo i zvaničnu najavu prenosa trke na 3K. Za sada je u
njihovom sutrašnjem programu nema.
auto-moto.109obren,
Rezultati kvalifikacija za V.N. Brazila (29. mart 1997.)
1. Villeneuve
2. M. Schumacher
3. Berger
4. Hakkinen
5. Panis
6. Alesi
7. Fisichela
8. Frentzen
9. Hill
10. R. Schumacher
11. Barichello
12. Coulthard
...
auto-moto.110vpoznanovic,
>> Rezultati kvalifikacija za V.N. Brazila (29. mart 1997.)
Da upotpunimo: :)
F1: Brazilian GP Saturday Qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:16.004
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:16.594 0.590 0.590
3. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:16.644 0.050 0.640
4. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.692 0.048 0.688
5. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:16.756 0.064 0.752
6. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:16.757 0.001 0.753
7. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:16.912 0.155 0.908
8. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:16.924 0.012 0.920
9. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:17.090 0.166 1.086
10. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:17.175 0.085 1.171
11. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:17.259 0.084 1.255
12. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.262 0.003 1.258
13. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:17.409 0.147 1.405
14. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:17.527 0.118 1.523
15. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:17.999 0.472 1.995
16. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:18.095 0.096 2.091
17. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:18.336 0.241 2.332
18. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:18.557 0.221 2.553
19. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:18.644 0.087 2.640
20. Jan Magnussen BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:18.773 0.129 2.769
21. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:19.221 0.448 3.217
22. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:19.274 0.053 3.270
107% of fastest time: 1:21.324
auto-moto.111vpoznanovic,
F1: Brazilian GP Saturday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:16.030
2. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.205 0.175 0.175
3. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:16.517 0.312 0.487
4. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:16.588 0.071 0.558
5. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:16.611 0.023 0.581
6. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:16.720 0.109 0.690
7. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.820 0.100 0.790
8. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:16.833 0.013 0.803
9. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:17.148 0.315 1.118
10. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:17.192 0.044 1.162
11. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:17.490 0.298 1.460
12. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:17.587 0.097 1.557
13. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:17.635 0.048 1.605
14. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:17.795 0.160 1.765
15. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:17.934 0.139 1.904
16. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:18.043 0.109 2.013
17. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:18.069 0.026 2.039
18. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:18.161 0.092 2.131
19. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:18.283 0.122 2.253
20. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:18.316 0.033 2.286
21. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:18.473 0.157 2.443
22. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:18.630 0.157 2.600
107% of fastest time: 1:21.352
auto-moto.112dejarak,
Postovani ljubitelji Formule 1,
imam malu molbicu za prave statisticare. Posto sam pravio tabelu za proslu
sezonu, ukljucujuci pozicije posle treninga i trke sve to uobliceno bodovima,
pred kraj sam izgubio strpljenje i volju i promakle su mi poslednje 4 trke da
zapisem pozicije posle kvalifikacija. Zato molim urednog statisticara ako moze
da mi ostavi rezultate treninga sa poslednje 4 trke, a kao nagradu SVI cete
dobiti
uredno sredjenu tabelu u Excel-u.
Unapred se zahvaljujem i sve Vas pozdravljam
Dejan
auto-moto.113darth.vader,
Ej ljudi, jel ima neko (ili mozda zna gde moze da se nabavi) sliku
ovogodisnjeg McLarenovog bolida ? :)
Darth
auto-moto.114obren,
Poredak na kraju trke za V.N. Brazila (30. mart 1997)
1. Villeneuve
2. Berger
3. Panis
4. Hakkinen
5. Schumacher
6. Alesi
...
Prvo postolje ove godine za Prost-Mugen! :)
auto-moto.115obren,
> Posto sam pravio tabelu za proslu sezonu, ukljucujuci pozicije posle
> treninga i trke sve to uobliceno bodovima, pred kraj sam izgubio
> strpljenje i volju i promakle su mi poslednje 4 trke da zapisem pozicije
> posle kvalifikacija.
U ovoj temi (ali i u starom tomu sporta) su prilično redovno ostavljani
izveštaji, tako da vredi malo potražiti. U slučaju da neki ipak fale, na
Internetu postoji kompletna baza podataka iz prethodne sezone, na adresi:
http://www.monaco.mc/f1 (Gale Force F1)
auto-moto.116obren,
> Ej ljudi, jel ima neko (ili mozda zna gde moze da se nabavi) sliku
> ovogodisnjeg McLarenovog bolida ? :)
Vidi na:
www.mclaren.co.uk,
www.worldserver.pipex.com/mclaren
auto-moto.117vector,
Odlicna trka. :)
Kakav je to start bio. Sumaher i Vilnev. Jedan do drugog; Vilnev uz pomoc
malog "slide"-a (i Sumahera ;) izlece u prvoj krivini. U istom trenutku
jos oko 5-10 bolida izlece sa staze ili udara u druge bolide i dolazi do
prekida trke koji traje nekih 15tak minuta. :)
Nastavak trke. Fantastican start Sumahera (citaj: ocajan start Vilneva ;)
koji dolazi na kratko na celnu poziciju ;), ali ga Vilnev vec na kraju
prvog kruga obilazi. Za nekih 4-6 krugova to isto cini i Gerhard Berger,
koji je sve vreme fantasticno vozio (po meni i najbolje od svih) ...
...
Na kraju trke, izuzetno napeto. Berger polako sustize Vilneva sa nekih
13 sekundi razlike na oko 4-5 sekundi, medjutim ne uspeva da ga i pretekne
zbog zaostalih bolida (citaj: Coulthard ;) koji su ga samo usporavali.
Hakkinen, Sumaher i Alezi. Borba za 4, 5 i 6 poziciju. Svi u 2,5 sekunde.
Hakkinen se polako odaljava i ostaju Sumaher i Alezi. Razlika 0,8 sekundi.
Alezi, na moju zalost, ne uspeva da pretekne "Weltmeister" Sumahera :))
(tako ga Nemci zovu) i mora da se zadovolji sa samo jednim bodom ...
Ukratko, ko nije gledao trku, gadno se ispalio ... :)
PS. Steta za Hila. ;)
auto-moto.118baker,
> Ukratko, ko nije gledao trku, gadno se ispalio ... :)
Mislis ko nije gledao RTL .
Je*em ti zemlju i Televiziju koja nemoze da obezbedi ni snimak, a
kamoli prenos trke. Puj.
..
auto-moto.119baker,
Williams-ova nadmoc postaje dosadna i monotona.
auto-moto.120mmilosh,
> To znachi da je mali deo kolacha ostao za EuroSport koji je
> onda (najverovatnije) odlucio da ove godine popularishe bivshi
> IndyCar sadashnji Kart P.P.G. a da Formulu1 batali :(((
Xmmm meni se čini da mi je brat rekao da je gledao na EuroSportu kvalifikacije
i trke ove sezone, ali izgleda da je ipak to gledao na RTL.
auto-moto.121mmilosh,
> Mclaren sa novim bojama ima UBEDLJIVO NAJLEPSI BOLID.
To stoji svakako.
auto-moto.122mmilosh,
> da uzme Marlboro za partnera zbog njega... Doduže, čovek vozi
> super,
I konstruktora novog (tj. starog).
auto-moto.123mmilosh,
> a kamoli da pobedi. :(
Al je jednom pobedo baš na svoj rođendan ako se ne varam.
auto-moto.124vpoznanovic,
F1: Brazilian GP Sunday warmup
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:17.421s
2. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.642s 0.221 0.221
3. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:17.800s 0.158 0.379
4. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:17.843s 0.043 0.422
5. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:17.866s 0.023 0.445
6. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:17.973s 0.107 0.552
7. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:18.034s 0.061 0.613
8. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.313s 0.279 0.892
9. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.316s 0.003 0.895
10. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:18.358s 0.042 0.937
11. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.563s 0.205 1.142
12. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:18.630s 0.067 1.209
13. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:18.743s 0.113 1.322
14. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:18.879s 0.136 1.458
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:19.088s 0.209 1.667
16. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:19.102s 0.014 1.681
17. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:19.218s 0.116 1.797
18. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:19.282s 0.064 1.861
19. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:19.401s 0.119 1.980
20. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:19.406s 0.005 1.985
21. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:19.664s 0.258 2.243
22. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:19.690s 0.026 2.269
107% of fastest time: 1:22.840
auto-moto.125vpoznanovic,
F1: Brazilian GP results
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:36:9.990
2. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault +4.190
3. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen +15.870
4. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes +33.030
5. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari +33.730
6. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault +34.020
7. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas +50.910
8. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot +1:00.640
9. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault +1:15.400
10. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes -1 lap
11. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas -1 lap
12. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart -1 lap
13. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 -1 lap
14. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen -1 lap
15. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 -2 laps
16. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari -2 laps Oil fire
17. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha -3 laps
18. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart -5 laps
DNF Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot on lap 52
DNF Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 on lap 16
DNF Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha on lap 15
DNF Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 on lap 0 Electrics
auto-moto.126vpoznanovic,
F1: Brazilian GP report
At the start Villeneuve made a tardy start, allowing Schumacher to take the
lead. Following Villeneuve were Berger, Panis, and Hakkinen. It was all for
nothing as Magnussen was stranded on the grid and unable to be moved. Also
Villeneuve took a excursion off the track as Schumacher took him at the first
corner. The German had gone in the inside of the first corner and clearly
had the corner. He Canadian should have conceded defeat, but didn't and it
almost cost him the race. Also caught up in the drama was a Jordan which
launched Damon Hills Arrows at the same corner. Further round the circuit
Barrichello was a victim of Irvine. The race was black flagged. For
Magnussen his race was over - both Stewarts were out, and Barrichello had
priority at this race for the spare car. Another possible out was Hill.
His race car was already out before the race with an oil leak. The spare
now needed a new nose and new rear suspension. Amazingly the team changed
the suspension at the back in time for the restart (a total of little over
10 minutes!). Irvine also needed a new car, which was set up for Schumacher.
This would cause problems later. Frentzen also took to the spare car.
The second start went almost without drama, as Villeneuve got away well but
Schumacher did it better and took the lead for a moment. Hakkinen also made
a blistering start and attacked Villeneuve, but didn't quite manage it.
Katayama was stranded on the grid. Already the front two cars were pulling
away, with Villeneuve having the advantage over Schumacher. By lap 2 Hill
had already made up two places to 7th, and Villeneuve had made a 1.1 second
gap over Schumacher. Hakkinen in third was a further 1.5 seconds adrift,
followed by Berger, Alesi, and Panis. Frentzen was down in 12th place.
Larini was also making progress, taking Trulli for 16th. By lap 6
Villeneuve had a 4 second lead over Schumacher. Berger, meanwhile, had
caught up with the leading group, and was challenging hard for Schumachers
place. He took it briefly, but the German soon took it back. Berger was not
going to give up without a fight. Frentzen had now made up a place and was
running 11th. By lap 8 Villeneuve was pulling away from Schumacher and had
an 7.7 second cussion. Further back Diniz took Irvine for 14th place. By lap
11 the lead was 10.3 seconds, and Schumacher was clearly holding up Berger
who could challenge for the lead. Berger finally managed it on lap 12 on the
main straight, where the Benetton had a clear advantage over the Ferrari.
Berger was soon chasing hard after Villeneuve.
Further down the grid Diniz retired from 15th place, as Barrichello pulled
into the pits to retire the sole Stewart. Herbert was also in the pits -
too early for a routine stop - and Frentzen was making ground on Fisichella
in 9th place. By lap 20 Villeneuve had a 9 second lead over Berger, with
Schumacher, Hakkinen, Alesi, and Panis completing the top 6. Herbert, now
near the back of the field, took Verstappen. Coulthard, who had been pushing
Hill hard for 7th place, pitted early presumably to try and take him in the
pits. He rejoined the race in clear air, but 14th place. Berger was soon
also to pit, as did Alesi and Irvine. By lap 25 the positions were
Villeneuve, Schumacher (+23 seconds), Panis (+27 seconds), Berger (+37
seconds), Hakkinen (+44 seconds), and Ralf Schumacher (+46 seconds).
Fisichella was next to pit on lap 26, with Villeneuve pitting and Schumacher
entering as the Canadian had left. Villeneuve was able to rejoin in the
lead, with a 1.3 second lead over Panis, Berger, Hill, Frentzen and
Hakkinen. The Goodyear tyres were not wearing well, and the Bridgestones of
Hill and Panis were working very well - so well that they were able to get
by with a 1 stop strategy later on against Goodyear's 2. On lap 28 Frentzen
pitted and got away, if rather untidily. By lap 31 the Bridgestone runners
were preparing for their only stop, and the tyres were performing very well,
with Panis setting very good times just before his stop. Panis finally
pitted on lap 33. On lap 33, Irvine was back in the pits and having his
seatbelts refastened. Lap 36 saw the order of Villeneuve, Berger, Hakkinen,
Hill, Schumacher, Alesi, Panis, Herbert, Coulthard, Ralf Schumacher,
Frentzen and Fisichella. Hill was fending off Schumacher and Alesi, but was
due to stop. Unfortunately the Englishman decided to fight them for another
lap, they got by and cost Damon a chance of being further up the field later
on. On lap 37 Hill pitted.
On lap 40 bizarely Hakkinen pitted. Ralf Schumacher had also pitted, and was
having a lengthy stop after a problem with the right rear wheel. The order
was now Villeneuve, Berger, Schumacher, Alesi, Panis, and Herbert. Coulthard
was now also in for his second stop, soon to be followed by the rest of the
Goodyear runners in the following laps. Villeneuve was struggling at the
point, unable to lap Coulthard, and losing time rapidly to the advancing
Berger. Williams were ready in the pits, and Villeneuve pitted. Schumacher
similarly was in and out. Berger now had the lead, but still had to stop.
Villeneuve rejoined the race in second place. Alesi also joined in the pit
action, allowing Panis to move up to 3rd. Berger extended his lead over
Villeneuve to 18 seconds, but this was not enough to retain the lead when
he pitted. Villeneuve was now back into the lead. Frentzen made his second
stop. The order on lap 49 was now Villeneuve, Berger, Panis, Hakkinen,
Schumacher and Alesi. The top 6 were followed by Frentzen, Herbert,
Fisichella, Hill, Coulthard and Ralf Schumacher. The latter was soon to
retire at the start of the pit entry lane.
The race now settled down with no great drama other than hot looking brakes
on Villeneuve's Williams, and Berger having a go at chasing for the lead.
On lap 67 Berger was 4 seconds adrift, but had to get by Katayama and
Verstappen to have a chance of going for the leader. On lap 69 Berger got
past and 4 laps to go to get the victory he wanted. Villeneuve was now the
one caught up in traffic, but a courteous Coulthard let him through. Sadly
Hill's valiant drive was over as he pulled into the pits with an oil fire.
The rest stayed settled on the track. The disappointment of the race however
had to be Frentzen's unspectacular drive to 9th place.
auto-moto.127vpoznanovic,
F1: Standings after Brazilian GP
Drivers' Championship:
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Points
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 10
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 10
3. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 9
4. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 8
5. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 7
6. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 6
7. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1
8. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1
Constructors' Championship:
Pos Constructor Nat Points
----------------------------------------------
1. McLaren-Mercedes GB 17
2. Williams-Renault I 10
3. Benetton-Renault I 10
4. Ferrari I 8
5. Prost-Mugen F 6
6. Sauber-Petronas CH 1
auto-moto.128vpoznanovic,
>> Zato molim urednog statisticara ako moze da mi ostavi rezultate treninga
>> sa poslednje 4 trke
Može, može, kako ne bi mogao. Ako ti treba još nešto, samo viči. :)
F1: Belgian GP Saturday qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:50.574
2. Damon Hill GB Williams-Renault 1:50.980 0.406 0.406
3. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:51.778 0.798 1.204
4. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:51.884 0.106 1.310
5. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:51.960 0.076 1.386
6. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:52.318 0.358 1.744
7. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:52.354 0.036 1.780
8. Martin Brundle GB Jordan-Peugeot 1:52.977 0.623 2.403
9. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:53.043 0.066 2.469
10. Rubens Barrichello BR Jordan-Peugeot 1:53.152 0.109 2.578
11. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Sauber-Ford 1:53.199 0.047 2.625
12. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Ford 1:53.993 0.794 3.419
13. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:54.095 0.102 3.521
14. Olivier Panis F Ligier-Mugen 1:54.220 0.125 3.646
15. Pedro Diniz BR Ligier-Mugen 1:54.700 0.480 4.126
16. Jos Verstappen NL Arrows-Hart 1:55.150 0.450 4.576
17. Ukyo Katayama J Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:55.371 0.221 4.797
18. Ricardo Rosset BR Arrows-Hart 1:56.286 0.915 5.712
19. Pedro Lamy P Minardi-Ford ED 1:56.830 0.544 6.256
20. Giovanni Lavaggi I Minardi-Ford ED 1:58.579 1.749 8.005
107% of fastest time: 1:58.314
F1: Italian GP Saturday qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
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1. Damon Hill GB Williams-Renault 1:24.204
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:24.521 0.317 0.317
3. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:24.781 0.260 0.577
4. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.939 0.158 0.735
5. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.976 0.037 0.772
6. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:25.201 0.225 0.997
7. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:25.226 0.025 1.022
8. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:25.470 0.244 1.266
9. Martin Brundle GB Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.037 0.567 1.833
10. Rubens Barrichello BR Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.194 0.157 1.990
11. Olivier Panis F Ligier-Mugen 1:26.206 0.012 2.002
12. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Ford 1:26.345 0.139 2.141
13. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Sauber-Ford 1:26.505 0.160 2.301
14. Pedro Diniz BR Ligier-Mugen 1:26.726 0.221 2.522
15. Jos Verstappen NL Arrows-Hart 1:27.270 0.544 3.066
16. Ukyo Katayama J Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:28.234 0.964 4.030
17. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:28.472 0.238 4.268
18. Pedro Lamy P Minardi-Ford ED 1:28.933 0.461 4.729
19. Ricardo Rosset BR Arrows-Hart 1:29.181 0.248 4.977
20. Giovanni Lavaggi I Minardi-Ford ED 1:29.833 0.652 5.629
107% of fastest time: 1:30.098
F1: Portuguese GP Saturday qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
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1. Damon Hill GB Williams-Renault 1:20.330
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:20.339 0.009 0.009
3. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:21.088 0.749 0.758
4. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:21.236 0.148 0.906
5. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:21.293 0.057 0.963
6. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:21.362 0.069 1.032
7. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.640 0.278 1.310
8. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.066 0.426 1.736
9. Rubens Barrichello BR Jordan-Peugeot 1:22.205 0.139 1.875
10. Martin Brundle GB Jordan-Peugeot 1:22.324 0.119 1.994
11. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Sauber-Ford 1:22.325 0.001 1.995
12. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Ford 1:22.655 0.330 2.325
13. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:22.765 0.110 2.435
14. Ukyo Katayama J Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:23.013 0.248 2.683
15. Olivier Panis F Ligier-Mugen 1:23.055 0.042 2.725
16. Jos Verstappen NL Arrows-Hart 1:23.531 0.476 3.201
17. Ricardo Rosset BR Arrows-Hart 1:24.230 0.699 3.900
18. Pedro Diniz BR Ligier-Mugen 1:24.293 0.063 3.963
19. Pedro Lamy P Minardi-Ford ED 1:24.510 0.217 4.180
20. Giovanni Lavaggi I Minardi-Ford ED 1:25.612 1.102 5.282
107% of fastest time: 1:25.953
F1: Japanese GP Saturday qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
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1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:38.909
2. Damon Hill GB Williams-Renault 1:39.370 0.461 0.461
3. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:40.071 0.701 1.162
4. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:40.364 0.293 1.455
5. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.458 0.094 1.549
6. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:41.005 0.547 2.096
7. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Sauber-Ford 1:41.277 0.272 2.368
8. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:41.384 0.107 2.475
9. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:41.562 0.178 2.653
10. Martin Brundle GB Jordan-Peugeot 1:41.600 0.038 2.691
11. Rubens Barrichello BR Jordan-Peugeot 1:41.919 0.319 3.010
12. Olivier Panis F Ligier-Mugen 1:42.206 0.287 3.297
13. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Ford 1:42.658 0.452 3.749
14. Ukyo Katayama J Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:42.711 0.053 3.802
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Yamaha 1:42.840 0.129 3.931
16. Pedro Diniz BR Ligier-Mugen 1:43.196 0.356 4.287
17. Jos Verstappen NL Arrows-Hart 1:43.383 0.187 4.474
18. Pedro Lamy P Minardi-Ford ED 1:44.874 1.491 5.965
19. Ricardo Rosset BR Arrows-Hart 1:45.412 0.538 6.503
20. Giovanni Lavaggi I Minardi-Ford ED 1:46.795 1.383 7.886
107% of fastest time: 1:45.833
auto-moto.129darth.vader,
>> Je*em ti zemlju i Televiziju koja nemoze da obezbedi ni snimak, a
>> kamoli prenos trke. Puj.
Takodje...
auto-moto.130darth.vader,
>> Al je jednom pobedo bas na svoj rodendan ako se ne varam.
Jeste... Mnogo se usrecio sa 1 pobedom za ne znam ni ja koliko godina
u Formuli 1...
Ma baxuz je covek...
auto-moto.131swix,
> Postovani ljubitelji Formule 1,
> imam malu molbicu za prave statisticare. Posto sam pravio tabelu za proslu
> sezonu, ukljucujuci pozicije posle treninga i trke sve to uobliceno
> bodovima, pred kraj sam izgubio strpljenje i volju i promakle su mi
> poslednje 4 trke da zapisem pozicije posle kvalifikacija. Zato molim
> urednog statisticara ako moze da mi ostavi rezultate treninga sa poslednje
> 4 trke, a kao nagradu SVI cete dobiti
> uredno sredjenu tabelu u Excel-u.
> Unapred se zahvaljujem i sve Vas pozdravljam
> Dejan
U ovome može ti pomogne ili InterNet ili neko ko podatke skida sa istog
(postoji, barem, jedan takav na sezu :)
I požuri :)
auto-moto.132swix,
> Kvalifikacije mozda u Sportskom miksu Treceg kanala u 18:00. U toku
> dana ocekujemo i zvanicnu najavu prenosa trke na 3K. Za sada je u
> njihovom sutrasnjem programu nema.
Nije bilo ni najave, ni Formule :(((((((((
auto-moto.133swix,
-=> Al je jednom pobedo baš na svoj rođendan ako se ne varam.
Pretprošle godine na Velikoj nagradi Kanade na svoj 31 rođendan. :)
auto-moto.134swix,
-=> Xmmm meni se čini da mi je brat rekao da je gledao na EuroSportu
-=> kvalifikacije i trke ove sezone, ali izgleda da je ipak to gledao na RTL.
Nije na EuroSportu sigurno.
auto-moto.135dejarak,
> Moze, moze, kako ne bi mogao. Ako ti treba jos nesto, samo vici. :)
Hvala ti majstore! To je bas to sto mi je trebalo, tako da sam zavrsio
tabelu.
auto-moto.136dejarak,
Pozdrav svim ljubiteljima Formule 1!
Evo je vec pomenuta tabela koja je radjena u Excel-u pa ko je zainteresovan
neka pogleda. Nadam se da ce Vam koristiti i lepo se zabavljajte. Sve primedbe
i zamerke prihvatam:). Pozdrav od Dejana.
formula1.zipauto-moto.137schef,
][ Je*em ti zemlju i Televiziju koja nemoze da obezbedi ni
][ snimak, a kamoli prenos trke. Puj.
Eh. :) Ko vam je kriv što ne živite u Kragujevcu. :)))
Mi sve to lepo gledamo... Uz komentar na srpskom, naravno. ;>
auto-moto.138vpoznanovic,
F1: Brazilian GP winners' press conference
JV Oh it feels great mostly after Melbourne where we
had been so strong and we couldn't even go any
further than the first lap and it looked like it was
going to be the same thing here, so it's a good
thing there was a red flag. I'm not sure why there
was a red flag but then after that the car was very
strong. We didn't have enough downforce for the slow
corners but we were pretty good down the straight so
it balanced out. The car was really strong until the
second pit stop and then somehow the tyres had less
grip. I don't know why but the car was quick enough
to stay in front.
Q What happened on that first start, can you tell us
some more about that?
JV Yeah, it was a little bit more slippery on the
outside and I didn't want to give in to Michael.
That's about it, so I went into the corner a little
bit too fast.
Q Now on the second start Michael beat you to the
first corner again, but then you seemed to be very
successful getting back to him?
JV Yeah, we could see from the trap speed this morning
that they were a little bit slower down the straight
and we took the start with new tyres, so I knew that
on the first two laps if he got in front of me I
would have a good chance to get by him.
Q Towards the end of the end of the race after your
second pit stop, were you aware that Gerhard was
catching you?
JV Yeah, most definitely, he was a little bit too fast
towards the end and he was catching up pretty hard
so it was tough to keep the gap.
Q Gerhard, we last saw you on the podium at the
British grand prix last year so you must be
delighted to be here today?
GB Well yeah. It was time again to come back here.
Q Now you were catching Jacques towards the end. Did
you think that you could actually get up to him and
maybe make an attempt to pass him?
GB Well yes, there was a stage where I think I could
get to him but I know how difficult it would be to
pass him because he's quite quick on the straight
but I still drive very hard because I thought if I
can be the last three or four laps under his gearbox
maybe by mistake or by overlapping another car maybe
I could have a chance but unfortunately it was quite
difficult to overlap some backmarkers. Damon was
quite difficult to overtake and two other ones. I
saw Jacques lost a bit and I lost the same so I just
couldn't do it. I had the same problem as Jacques on
the second part of the race, with the second set of
tyres suddenly in the middle of the part the tyre
lost grip and I was struggling to do good lap times.
Q You qualified third yesterday and finished second
today does this mean Benetton is back on track?
GB Well I think it's a bit like we show in the winter
testing. After the first race of course everybody
thought we maybe went underweight in the winter but
we didn't. We just lost the first race by some
mistakes in the setup on the Friday and Saturday and
that's it. It's very easy at the moment to, if you
lose a little bit away, you are not with the first
three and that's it.
Q Olivier, you won the Monaco grand prix last year but
more importantly this is the first podium appearance
for the Prost team and Bridgestone tyres so it's a
great result for you and your team.
OP Yes, I'm very happy because I make a very big risk
for strategy - just one stop but I see the
Bridgestone tyres, the wear is very, very nice and
very easy to one stop. I started very good. It was
very easy to follow Jean and Michael Schumacher with
one stop and after stop it is very easy to control
because it's never traffic and it's very easy to
control the laps. I'm very happy for the team, and
Bridgestone also, because for the first year it's a
very good job.
auto-moto.139ppecanac,
> Ej ljudi, jel ima neko (ili mozda zna gde moze da se nabavi)
> sliku ovogodisnjeg McLarenovog bolida ? :)
Evo je, sa promocije.
600x310
mclaren.jpgauto-moto.140ppecanac,
Slike iz Brazila od pre 2 dana.
1. zagrevanje, petak. Kultard D.
1000x650
brafri2a.jpgauto-moto.141ppecanac,
2. U pitu, Kultard D.
1000x650
brafri3a.jpgauto-moto.142ppecanac,
3. Okretanja na startu trke.
1000x650
brarac1.jpgauto-moto.143ppecanac,
4. Zadnja, sa trke.
600x390
brarace.jpgauto-moto.144darth.vader,
>> Evo je, sa promocije.
>> 600x310
Thanks man :)
auto-moto.145darth.vader,
>> Slike iz Brazila od pre 2 dana.
>> 1. zagrevanje, petak. Kultard D.
>> 1000x650
Odakle nabavljas slike ako nije tajna? :)
auto-moto.146space.ace,
>> 3. Panis
>> Prvo postolje ove godine za Prost-Mugen! :)
Momče, mogu ti reći da nisam gledao trku, ali mi se ovo Panis-ovo
treće mesto čini malo nemoguće.. :) Šalamala naravno, svaka mu
čas'...
auto-moto.147swix,
-=> Eh. :) Ko vam je kriv što ne živite u Kragujevcu. :)))
-=>
-=> Mi sve to lepo gledamo... Uz komentar na srpskom, naravno. ;>
?????????????????
auto-moto.148ppecanac,
> Odakle nabavljas slike ako nije tajna? :)
Ma kakvi tajna, www.mclaren.co.uk :)
auto-moto.149nigy,
Izvinjavam se na digresiji ali sam u ovoj temi nasao podatak da McLaren
kao i Ferrari ima 8 sampionskih titula u kategoriji konstruktora.
Prema mojim podacima to nije tacno, pa bih molio da me doticni ispravi.
Evo sta ja posedujem:
Ferrari: '61.'64.'75.'76.'77.'79.'82.'83.
Williams: '80.'81.'86.'87.'92.'93.'94.'96.
McLaren: '74.'84.'85.'88.'89.'90.'91.
Iz ovoga se izvlaci da po 8 imaju Ferrari i Williams, a McLaren 7 ;)
Foza Italia!
auto-moto.150obren,
> Momče, mogu ti reći da nisam gledao trku, ali mi se ovo Panis-ovo
> treće mesto čini malo nemoguće.. :) Šalamala naravno, svaka mu
> čas'...
Jel sad priznaješ da Panis nije "tupko" :) Samo se nadam da ovo nisu
njegovi krajnji dometi ove sezone. Bridgestone gume su u kombinaciji
sa Mugenovim motorom izgleda dobitna kombinacija, a tu je i Prost
koji je izgleda preuzimanjem tima doneo potrebnu motivaciju koja je
falila Ligieru prošle godine.
auto-moto.151schef,
][ -=> Eh. :) Ko vam je kriv što ne živite u Kragujevcu. :)))
][ -=> Mi sve to lepo gledamo... Uz komentar na srpskom, naravno.
][ ;>
][ ?????????????????
Šta se čudiš? :) Mi u Kragujevcu imamo prenose svih važnijih sportskih
događaja.
Šta da vam radim kada nemate K9 i DTV. :) Mi smo gledali i Juventus - Ajaks
i Zvezda - Barselona, sada i formulu... ;>
Ko vam je kriv kada živite u zabiti. :)))))
auto-moto.152darth.vader,
>> > Odakle nabavljas slike ako nije tajna? :)
>> Ma kakvi tajna, www.mclaren.co.uk :)
Iskljucivo mclaren.co.uk ili ima jos zanimljivih sajtova sa takvom
tematikom ? :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.153swix,
-=>
-=> Jel sad priznaješ da Panis nije "tupko" :) Samo se nadam da ovo nisu
-=> njegovi krajnji dometi ove sezone. Bridgestone gume su u kombinaciji
-=> sa Mugenovim motorom izgleda dobitna kombinacija, a tu je i Prost
-=> koji je izgleda preuzimanjem tima doneo potrebnu motivaciju koja je
-=> falila Ligieru prošle godine.
Sa kim sam se ja ono beše "svađo" oko Hondice ( eh da znate koliko je volim
;) i Panisa ????? Gde je sad da se javi :)
auto-moto.154swix,
-=>
-=> Izvinjavam se na digresiji ali sam u ovoj temi nasao podatak da McLaren
-=> kao i Ferrari ima 8 sampionskih titula u kategoriji konstruktora.
-=> Prema mojim podacima to nije tacno, pa bih molio da me doticni ispravi.
-=> Evo sta ja posedujem:
-=>
-=> Ferrari: '61.'64.'75.'76.'77.'79.'82.'83.
-=>
-=> Williams: '80.'81.'86.'87.'92.'93.'94.'96.
-=>
-=> McLaren: '74.'84.'85.'88.'89.'90.'91.
-=>
-=> Iz ovoga se izvlaci da po 8 imaju Ferrari i Williams, a McLaren 7 ;)
-=>
-=> Foza Italia!
Koliko se sećam ja bih trebao da budem "dotični". Ček da potražim moje
podatke pa ću se javim. :)
auto-moto.155space.ace,
>> Jel sad priznaješ da Panis nije "tupko" :) Samo se nadam da ovo nisu
Dobro, de, priznajem. Nije "tupko" :). U svakom slučaju, da nema talenta
ne bi bio u Prost-ovom timu... Valjda "profesor" zna da prepozna dobrog
vozača kad ga vidi...
>> njegovi krajnji dometi ove sezone. Bridgestone gume su u kombinaciji
>> sa Mugenovim motorom izgleda dobitna kombinacija, a tu je i Prost
BridgeStone gume se, izgleda mi, pokazuju mnogo bolje od GoodYear, i
mislim da treba samo sačekati kišicu pa da GoodYear ode na zasluženi
odmor.
Lično sam navijao da u Brazilu padne kiša (pošto ima običaj da padne
baš oko trke), ali 'em što nisam gledao trku, 'em kiša nije pala.
auto-moto.156dejarak,
Dragi prijatelji,
evo svezih vesti koje cu pokusati da vam saljem svake nadelje posto ih ja
dobijam
jednom nedeljno. Uzivajte!!!:-).
Dejan
In This Issue
*Villeneuve Off To Prost?
*Alesi Back In The Good Books
*Benetton / Honda Deal Expected Soon
*Williams / BMW Rumour Back Again!
*Bridgestone Warning Shot
*BIC Deal For Prost
*New Ford Engine
*Brazil Review
*Brazil Results
*Drivers Championship
*Constructors Championship
Villeneuve Off To Prost?
There is a rumour that Jacques Villeneuve may be in discussion with Prost
for next year. Jacques manager Craig Pollack has been seen dining with
Alain Prost.
Prost run Bridgestone tyres and from next year they will have a works
Peugeot engine. Both Peugeot and Bridgestone would be keen to see the World
Champion in one of their teams and could help Prost fund the move.
Jacques contract with Williams is up for renewal this year.
Alesi Back In The Good Books
Jean Alesi finally managed to finish a race, and in the points too. His
performance was overshadowed by his team mate but he was steady and workman
like. This has raised the Benetton teams view of the driver and hopefully
his results will get better as the season progresses. The Benetton car is
one of a few that improved greatly between Australia and Brazil.
Benetton / Honda Deal Expected Soon
The Benetton / Mugen Honda engine deal is expected to be announced soon.
Benetton have been involved with Honda through motorcycle racing and it has
long been expected that the Japanese giant would replace Renault when the
current engine supply deal finished.
Williams / BMW Rumour Back Again!
You can't keep a good rumour down. Especially if it involves Williams and
or BMW. The two companies have a long history of a rumoured engine deal,
this time however there is a new twist.
Williams have a two year contract with the French Mecachrome company to use
Renault engines. These are expected to cost Williams around 20 Million for
the duration. BMW are now rumoured to be in negotiation to pay some of the
cost in return for BMW badges being put on the engines. The 2 year deal
which will finish in 2000 just overlaps the rumoured BMW engine entry of
1999.
Bridgestone Warning Shot
The Bridgestone shod teams fired a warning shot at the Goodyear tyres this
weekend. The Prost and Arrows teams are hardly top flight, yet Panis and
Hill both managed to qualify in the top ten and due to the performance of
the tyres both teams were able to run a one stop strategy. Panis drove
brilliantly, running as high a second at one point, finally finishing third
and Hill managed to run fourth for a while but retired with an engine bay
fire. The circuits that are hard on tyres could see the Bridgestone teams
performing better than expected.
BIC Deal For Prost
You may have noticed the BIC logo on the Prost cars last weekend, that is
because the team have signed a four year deal with the disposable pen and
razor company.
New Ford Engine
Tyrrell will be able to make use of the next evolution of the customer Ford
Cosworth V8 from the San Marino GP. The unit has more power which will be
welcome.
Brazil Review
Jacques Villeneuve came back from the disaster at Melbourne with a perfect
win. Though at the start it looked as though he had blown it again. At the
start Schumacher got away brilliantly and held the inside line into the
first corner. Villeneuve desperately tried to hold onto the outside line
but a combination of speed, cold tyres and being off the racing line saw
him slide off the track onto the grass and gravel. He was followed by
Frentzen and Hill who collided with the Jordan of Fisichella damaging his
rear suspension and front wing.
Villeneuve and Hill probably couldn't believe their luck when the race was
red flagged due to the Stewart of Barrichello still being on the grid.
At the restart, Schumacher beat Villeneuve to the first corner again, this
time the Canadian let the Ferrari go and settled in behind it. Behind them,
everyone managed to get round the first corner and Hakkinen led the chasing
pack followed by Berger, Alesi, Panis, Hill and Coulthard, with Frentzen
13th.
At the end of the first lap Villeneuve surged past the Ferrari of
Schumacher and went into the lead, by lap 9 Berger had performed an almost
identical pass to relegate the Ferrari to third place.
Many of the teams tried to out think each other with pit stop strategy and
in doing so they all came up with the same plan. This led to a scramble of
stops as the McLaren and Benetton teams stopped almost at the same time.
Williams held out until lap 25 for their first stop and the mid race order
saw Villeneuve leading Panis with Berger, Hill, Hakkinen and Schumacher
making up the rest of the top six. Panis and Hill had yet to stop, but both
were on single stop strategies compared to the two stops that everyone else
was making.
After the second round of stops the race order had settled down, Villeneuve
still led, but now Berger was back in second while Panis dropped to third
after his stop. Hakkinen was fourth, Schumacher fifth and Alesi sixth.
During the closing stages of the race it became clear that Gerhard Berger
was closing on Villeneuve, gradually chipping away at the Canadian's lead,
the end result though was that Berger ran out of time before he could close
up on the Williams, too many back markers and not enough laps.
Brazil Results
1 J. Villeneuve Williams Renault 1:36:06.990
2 G. Berger Benetton Renault + 4.190
3 O. Panis Prost Mugen Honda + 15.870
4 M. Hakkinen McLaren Mercedes + 33.033
5 M. Schumacher Ferrari + 33.731
6 J. Alesi Benetton Renault + 34.020
7 J. Herbert Sauber Petronas + 50.912
8 G. Fisichella Jordan Peugeot + 1:00.639
9 H.H. Frentzen Williams Renault + 1:15.402
10 D. Coulthard McLaren Mercedes + 1 lap
11 N. Larini Sauber Petronas + 1 lap
12 J. Trulli Minardi Hart + 1 lap
13 M. Salo Tyrrell Ford + 1 lap
14 S. Nakano Prost Mugen Honda + 1 lap
15 J. Verstappen Tyrrell Ford + 2 laps
16 E. Irvine Ferrari + 2 laps
17 D. Hill Arrows Yamaha + 4 Laps
18 U. Katayama Minardi Hart + 5 laps
19 R. Schumacher Jordan Peugeot + 20 laps
20 R. Barrichello Stewart Ford + 56 laps
21 P. Diniz Arrows Yamaha + 57 laps
22 J. Magnussen Stewart Ford DNS
Drivers Championship
1 D. Coulthard McLaren MP4/12 Mercedes 10
1 J. Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 10
3 G. Berger Benetton B197 Renault 9
4 M. Schumacher Ferrari F310b 8
5 M. Hakkinen McLaren MP4/12 Mercedes 7
6 O. Panis Prost Mugen Honda 6
7 N. Larini Sauber C16 Petronas 1
7 J. Alesi Benetton B197 Renault 1
Constructors Championship
1 McLaren Mercedes 17
2 Williams Renault 10
2 Benetton Renault 10
4 Ferrari 8
5 Prost Mugen Honda 6
6 Sauber Petronas 1
auto-moto.157giovanni,
U današnjim novinama piše da RTS neće prenositi trke formule 1 jer nemaju
da plate 85.000 USD (140.000 DEM) za celu sezonu. Dakle, ne mogu da skupe
oko 8.500 DEM po trci od reklama za vreme trke iako se zna da su cene
njihovog reklamnog prostora užasno visoke. Za nas bez satelitskih antena
ove godine nema formule 1. :~(
auto-moto.158stukelj,
> U danasnjim novinama pise da RTS nece prenositi trke formule 1 jer nemaju
RTL RULES !
auto-moto.159nigy,
> U danasnjim novinama pise da RTS nece prenositi trke formule 1 jer nemaju
>da plate 85.000 USD (140.000 DEM) za celu sezonu. Dakle, ne mogu da skupe
>oko 8.500 DEM po trci od reklama za vreme trke iako se zna da su cene
>njihovog reklamnog prostora uzasno visoke.
Pobijes g**na i gotova stvar!!! ;<
P.S. Ima li neko predlog kao cemo mi smrtnici bez kablovske i satelitske
da pratimo ovu sezonu? Konstruktivni predlozi dobrodosli! :)
auto-moto.160darth.vader,
>> U danasnjim novinama pise da RTS nece prenositi trke formule 1 jer nemaju
>> da plate 85.000 USD (140.000 DEM) za celu sezonu. Dakle, ne mogu da skupe
>> oko 8.500 DEM po trci od reklama za vreme trke iako se zna da su cene
>> njihovog reklamnog prostora uzasno visoke. Za nas bez satelitskih antena
>> ove godine nema formule 1. :~(
E da im ja malo mater lopovsku...
Darth
auto-moto.161darth.vader,
>> P.S. Ima li neko predlog kao cemo mi smrtnici bez kablovske i satelitske
>> da pratimo ovu sezonu? Konstruktivni predlozi dobrodosli! :)
Bice da cu ja morati za svaku trku kod ortaka sa satelitskom...
Predlazem isto ostalima koji imaju tu mogucnost...
auto-moto.162stukelj,
Danas je u 6:00 po nasem vremenu odrzana druga trka Indy Car sampionata i to
u Surfers Paradise. Pol poziciju je osvojio po sesti put zaredom (rekord)
Alex Zanardi i to u poslednjim trenucima kvalifikacija ispred Pol Trejsija.
U samoj trci bilo je cak 8 puta zuta zastava... Nije odvozeno svih 65 krugova
posto se dostiglo punih 2 sata voznje tako da je trka zavrsena pre planiranih
65 krugova :) Samo da pomenem da je Christian Fittipaldi doziveo tezak udar
u zid i kako Edvards rece, izgleda povredio nogu, tako da nece voziti trku
sledece nedelje... Tokom trke vodila se borba izmedju Zanardija i Trejsija
za prvo mesto. Iza njih su stalno bili, sa izvesnim zaostatkom, Moore i
Vasser. Blundell je opet ocajno startovao i sve vreme se vukao negde oko
desetog mesta... Inace koliko mi se cini sve vreme najbrzi bolid na stazi
pored Trejsija i Zanardija je bio Scott Pruett. On se nalazio dugo iza
Mauricija Gugelmina negde oko 6-7 mesta... Unser se ocajno kvalifikovao, cini
mi se, na 16. mestu i tokom trke mu je otpao tocak (!). U vezi samog toka trke,
na startu je Moore prestigao Vassera i zauzeo 3. poziciju, vec sam pomenuo da
je Blundell jadno startovao... Trejsi i Zanardi su se brzo odvojili od ostatka
vozaca i tokom cele trke niko nije mogao da ih prati. Trejsi je kasnije
prestigao Zanardija i brzo se odvojio, ali, naravno, uskoro je bio neki sudar,
tako da je pokazana zuta zastava i Zanardi mu je opet bio za petama... Tako
je bilo non-stop, kad god bi doslo do nekog odvajanja vozaca, odmah se neko
slupao i zuta zastava... Nekim cudom Andretti i Pruett su napredovali, iako
je staza teska za prestizanje... Dolazimo do vrhunca staze, kada su se Trejsi
i Zanardi slupali... ulazili su u krivinu i onaj mali pohlepnik od Zanardija
nije hteo da pusti Trejsija (koji je bio sa unutrasnje strane), tako da su
obojica izletela... Idiot od Zanardija se kasnije prikljucio u trku, na
zadnjem mestu... Kad sam poceo da se radujem novoj pobedi Vassera, Gugelmin
ga je slupao... Vasser je ipak uspeo da nastavi sa zadnje pozicije...
I tako dolazimo do neverovatne pobede SCOTTA PRUETTA !! Bio je sve vreme veoma
brz na stazi i dobro je vozio, ali je ipak imao dosta srece, sto su se slupali
Zanardi, Trejsi, Vasser, Gugelmin... Drugi je bio Greg Moore, treci Andretti.
Cetvrto mesto je osvojio, verovali ili ne, ALEX ZANARDI ! Sa zadnje pozicije
uspeo je da se dokopa cetvrtog mesta. Jos da dodam da je i Vasser uspeo da
se dokopa poena, bio je 12. sto znaci da je uzeo 1 poen. Sve u svemu, dobra
trka i sa nestrpljenjem se ocekuje trka sledece nedelje, mislim da je u pitanju
Long Beach...
1. Scott Pruett Ford
2. Greg Moore Mercedes
3. Michael Andretti Ford
4. Alex Zanardi Honda
...
12. Jimmy Vasser (kralj) Honda
auto-moto.163schef,
][ P.S. Ima li neko predlog kao cemo mi smrtnici bez kablovske i
][ satelitske da pratimo ovu sezonu? Konstruktivni predlozi
][ dobrodosli! :)
Odeš kod poznanika koji živi u Kragujevcu. ;>
auto-moto.164space.ace,
>> P.S. Ima li neko predlog kao cemo mi smrtnici bez kablovske i satelitske
>> da pratimo ovu sezonu? Konstruktivni predlozi dobrodosli! :)
Predlažem vam svima selidbu u manje gradove koji imaju svoje privatne
televizije, na kojima se prikazuju trke direktno sa Satelita :).
Dođite...
auto-moto.165vector,
│ BridgeStone gume se, izgleda mi, pokazuju mnogo bolje od GoodYear, i
│ mislim da treba samo sacekati kisicu pa da GoodYear ode na zasluzeni
│ odmor.
└─────────
U PPG Cart (IndyCar) sampionatu vazi (barem do sad) bas obrnuta situacija.
Goodyear gume su bolje od Firestone (Bridgestone) guma na kisi. Svako ko je
pratio IndyCar prosle godine sigurno se seca trke u Detroitu. Naravno,
staza je bila potpuno mokra (doduse, pri kraju trke se osusila ;) a bolidi
sa Goodyear gumama su bili bolje plasirani od onih sa Firestone gumama.
Uzmimo za primer Blundella koji je krenuo sa, cini mi se, 15 mesta a zavrsio
peti. To je odlican rezultat. Naravno, svi znaju da u PPG Cart sampionatu
razlika izmedju bolida nije na tolikom nivou kolikom je u F1. Cak stavise,
bolidi su poprilicno ujednaceni za razliku od F1 gde Williams Renault bolidi
(namerno nisam rekao vozaci ;) postizu rezultate za .500 sekundi bolje od
ostalih.
U ovoj zadnjoj trci PPG Cart sampionata u Australiji (Surfers Paradise)
Paul Tracy (na Goodyear gumama) je cak na suvom bio bolji od Zanardija
(na Firestone gumama) ali ga je ovaj jednim "pohlepnickim" zaokretom lako
izbacio iz trke ... da li to znaci da se Goodyear popravlja ili sta ? :)
auto-moto.166vector,
│ 1. Scott Pruett Ford
│ 2. Greg Moore Mercedes
│ 3. Michael Andretti Ford
│ 4. Alex Zanardi Honda
│ ...
│ 12. Jimmy Vasser (kralj) Honda
└─────────
Znaci, bilo je ovako :
1. Scott Pruett (20) 13. Richie Hearn (21)
2. Greg Moore (99) 14. Max Papis (25)
3. Michael Andretti (6) 15. Patrick Carpentier (16)
4. Alex Zanardi (4) 16. Arnd Meier (64)
5. Gil de Ferran (5) 17. Mauricio Gugelmin (17)
6. Andre Ribeiro (31) 18. Michel Jourdain (19)
7. Raul Boesel (40) 19. Paul Tracy (3) DNF
8. Mark Blundell (18) 20. Juan Fangio II (36) DNF
9. Dario Franchitti (9) 21. Parker Johnstone (27) DNF
10. Bobby Rahal (7) 22. Bryan Herta (8) DNF
11. Adrian Fernandez (32) 23. Paul Jasper (34) DNF
12. Jimmy Vasser (1) 24. Gualter Salles (77) DNF
25. Hiro "Mobile Chicane" Matsushita (24) DNF
26. PJ Jones (98) DNF
27. Al Unser, Jr. (2) DNF
28. Christian Fittipaldi (11) DNF
A posle ove trke tabela izgleda ovako :
1. Michael Andretti 35
2. Scott Pruett 30
3. Greg Moore 28
4. Paul Tracy 16
5. Alex Zanardi 16
6. Jimmy Vasser 15
I na kraju se postavlja pitanje (od autora ove poruke ;) :
"Da li ce vise onaj * Hiro 'Mobile Chicane' Matsushita zavrsiti trku ?"
PS. Nema teorije. (obratiti paznju na nadimak) :))
auto-moto.167giovanni,
Ę? RTL RULES !
Marš, bre!
auto-moto.168giovanni,
Ę? Odeš kod poznanika koji živi u Kragujevcu. ;>
Jeste, i posle pola sezone za prevoz potrošim koliko i za omanji SAT TV
komplet. ;) Mada, nije ti to loša ideja. Pred sledeću trku eto mene kod
tebe. I još povedem nekoliko ortaka. ;))) Nećeš imati ništa protiv,
nadam se. ;)
auto-moto.169celtic,
==> Dodite...
Daj adresu i spremi pivo :))
auto-moto.170schef,
][ tebe. I još povedem nekoliko ortaka. ;))) Nećeš imati ništa
][ protiv, nadam se. ;)
Neću, ako povedeš i nekoliko lepih drugarica ;>>> (koje naravno ne prate
formulu, ali zato vole nešto drugo ;).
auto-moto.171giovanni,
Ę? Neću, ako povedeš i nekoliko lepih drugarica ;>>> (koje naravno ne prate
Ę? formulu, ali zato vole nešto drugo ;).
Mogu da povedem par riba koje vole i brzu vožnju. :) A da li vole i F1 ne
znam.
A ono drugo znam da vole i te kako. ;)
auto-moto.172vpoznanovic,
Argentine Grand Prix
from Buenos Aires, Argentina
11th April 1997 - 13th April 1997
Friday Free Practice
16:00 CET 11th April 1997
18:00 CET 11th April 1997
Saturday Free Practice
14:00 CET 12th April 1997
15:15 CET 12th April 1997
Saturday Qualifying
18:00 CET 12th April 1997
Sunday Warm-Up
13:30 CET 13th April 1997
Sunday Race
18:00 CET 13th April 1997
auto-moto.174vpoznanovic,
F1: Argentinian GP Friday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:25.755
2. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:26.693 0.938 0.938
3. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:26.983 0.290 1.228
4. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:27.017 0.034 1.262
5. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:27.052 0.035 1.297
6. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:27.129 0.077 1.374
7. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:27.169 0.040 1.414
8. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:27.702 0.533 1.947
9. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:27.823 0.121 2.068
10. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:27.979 0.156 2.224
11. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:28.137 0.158 2.382
12. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:28.163 0.026 2.408
13. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:28.932 0.769 3.177
14. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:29.153 0.221 3.398
15. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:29.302 0.149 3.547
16. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:29.426 0.124 3.671
17. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:29.893 0.467 4.138
18. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:30.069 0.176 4.314
19. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:30.376 0.307 4.621
20. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:30.546 0.170 4.791
21. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:30.727 0.181 4.972
22. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:31.269 0.542 5.514
107% of fastest time: 1:31.757
auto-moto.175vector,
Pa ovo je necuveno. Alesi i Berger 11. i 12., a onaj mali gad Villeneuve
prvi. Ccc. :)
auto-moto.176space.ace,
Narode (a naročito obren-e)!
Povlačim sve što sam ikad rekao ružno o Panis-u!!! Što, pitate se vi?
Pa, pogledajte tabelicu:
1. Vilnev
2. Frencen
3. PANIS <------
4. Šumaher
5. Baričelo
6. Drugi Šumaher
. . .
Šta reći sad, sem: sačekajmo trku, i ako se Panis pokaže u trci kao i na
kvalifikacijama, oou brother...
10. Kultard
11. Alezi
12. Berger
13. HILL!!! :)
Očajna vremena Benetona, a odlična Hilova, uzevši u obzir njegov bolid,
i bolid Benetona.
auto-moto.177vpoznanovic,
F1: Argentinian GP Saturday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:24.874
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:25.704 0.830 0.830
3. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:26.359 0.655 1.485
4. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.455 0.096 1.581
5. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:26.494 0.039 1.620
6. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:26.703 0.209 1.829
7. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:26.772 0.069 1.898
8. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.789 0.017 1.915
9. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:26.835 0.046 1.961
10. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:27.229 0.394 2.355
11. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:27.423 0.194 2.549
12. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:27.468 0.045 2.594
13. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.496 0.028 2.622
14. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:27.768 0.272 2.894
15. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:27.885 0.117 3.011
16. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:28.086 0.201 3.212
17. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:28.600 0.514 3.726
18. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:28.654 0.054 3.780
19. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:28.710 0.056 3.836
20. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:28.853 0.143 3.979
21. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:29.118 0.265 4.244
22. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:29.140 0.022 4.266
107% of fastest time: 1:30.815
auto-moto.178vpoznanovic,
F1: Argentinian GP Saturday Qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:24.473
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:25.271 0.798 0.798
3. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:25.491 0.220 1.018
4. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:25.773 0.282 1.300
5. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:25.942 0.169 1.469
6. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.218 0.276 1.745
7. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:26.327 0.109 1.854
8. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:26.564 0.237 2.091
9. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.619 0.055 2.146
10. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.799 0.180 2.326
11. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:27.076 0.277 2.603
12. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:27.259 0.183 2.786
13. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:27.281 0.022 2.808
14. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:27.690 0.409 3.217
15. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:28.035 0.345 3.562
16. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:28.094 0.059 3.621
17. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:28.135 0.041 3.662
18. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:28.160 0.025 3.687
19. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:28.224 0.064 3.751
20. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:28.366 0.142 3.893
21. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:28.413 0.047 3.940
22. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:28.969 0.556 4.496
107% of fastest time: 1:30.386
auto-moto.179swix,
-=> Pa ovo je necuveno. Alesi i Berger 11. i 12., a onaj mali gad Villeneuve
-=> prvi. Ccc. :)
Williams prvi (naravno Villeneuve još "prviji").
Međutim kao što veca reče zanimljivo je da je Benetton skroz zakazao, kao i
to da je Panis treći ispred Šumia i Barrichella.
Hakkinen 17 valjda, a Coulthard jedva medju prvih deset.
Pozdrav!
auto-moto.180dejarak,
NOVE VESTI!
In This Issue
*Head Defends Frentzen
*Stewart Mods
*Ton Up For Jordan
*Argentine GP Times
*Argentine GP Preview
*Ferrari Look To Imola
*Tyrrell / Bridgestone
*Renault Engine Rumours
*Schu Plays Down Chances
*Lola Hoping To Return At San Marino
*Schumacher Breaks Mugello Record
*Irvine Gets Vote of Confidence
*Formula 1 A-Z "P" Part 2
Head Defends Frentzen
Patrick Head has defended Frentzen's performance saying that Hill took 11
races to win in a Williams, Coulthard took 21 and Villeneuve took 4. Head
neatly omits the fact that Damon Hill was driving with Alain Prost as team
mate and always finished in the top four.
Head's point is valid though, Frentzen is still in a new team with a new
car, we can judge him after Spain.
Stewart Mods
The aerodynamic modifications that Barrichello had for Brazil will be
available to Magnussen for the Argentine GP. They also hope to have fixed
the software bug which caused Barrichello's engine to shut itself down
after revving to 16,000 rpm.
Ton Up For Jordan
This weekend sees Jordan's 100th GP. Yet to record a victory the team look
as good as they ever have done. Fisichella and Schumacher are both new to
the car so the results will undoubtedly get better as the season progresses.
Argentine GP Times
The qualifying session for the GP starts at 16:00 GMT on Saturday and the
race is at 16:00 GMT on Sunday.
Those of you in the UK, please remember that BST (British Summer Time) is
GMT + 1.
Argentine GP Preview
The track is twisty and bumpy and for the last two years the race has been
won by Damon Hill. Hill is unlikely to win this weekend but the circuit
closes up the pack so you never know.
The weather will play a big part in the result, if it is wet then Panis and
Hill have the chance to show us just how good the wet weather Bridgestone
tyres are.
Benetton and in particular Gerhard Berger must be in with a good chance of
a win but the pre race favourite must be Jacques.
Surely this time he must be able to get away from the line cleanly ?.
Ferrari Look To Imola
Ferrari should debut their new step2 engine at Imola along with other
modifications that will increase the performance of the car.
Tyrrell / Bridgestone
Tyrrell have been linked with Bridgestone tyres. The team currently use
Goodyear tyres and a Goodyear spokesman has said that the contracts that
Goodyear teams signed have no room for manoeuvre. The earliest any team
could swap to Bridgestone would be at the end of this season.
Though that didn't stop Arrows testing the Bridgestones last year.
Renault Engine Rumours
There are rumours that other teams are interested in getting hold of
Mecachrome and more specifically that a deal has been signed with a second
team.
Arrows have been linked to Mecachrome, though the engine supplier denies
any deals. The Mecachrome F1 program boss Jean Yves Houe said that all
plans were confidential and any announcements would be made after Monaco.
The Arrows team need to know which engine they will be using next year so
that they can start on the chassis design for the new car.
Schu Plays Down Chances
Michael Schumacher has said that he can't see himself winning in Argentina,
admitting that Jacques Villeneuve is the man to beat.
Lola Hoping To Return At San Marino
Lola are hoping that they can overcome their financial hiccup and get back
to racing in this season's championship from Imola. The return all hinges
on the current finance negotiations that the team are undertaking.
Schumacher Breaks Mugello Record
Michael Schumacher has broken the Mugello track record (again). Using the
new step 2 engine he completed over 450Km of testing with a best time of
1.25.25 despite being in race trim.
Irvine Gets Vote of Confidence
Luck Eddie Irvine has been given a vote of confidence from the Ferrari
management. In the UK when a football manager gets a similar vote from his
club he is usually sacked within days.
Let's hope the Italians have a different interpretation of a vote of
confidence :-)
Formula 1 A-Z "P" Part 2
P is for.............
Pironi
Didier Pironi's F1 career was cut short by a terrible accident at
Hockenheim which almost cost him his legs.
His career started with the Tyrrell team in 1978 and in his second race he
scored his first points. He managed a total of five points finishes that
year marking him out as a driver with above average ability.
1979 saw Pironi gain his first podium finishes when he came third in
Belgium and at Watkins Glen, points from three other races helped him to
10th place in the championship standings with 14 points.
The Ligier team was his next stop and the Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth would
give him his first GP win (Zolder). He finished 8 races for Ligier, always
in the points and more often than not on the podium too. He scored 32
points which put him fifth in the championship.
The red car came calling in 1981 and Pironi found himself teamed up with
Gilles Villeneuve. His season got off to a poor start with three
retirements and though he managed to score points in a few races 1981 was
not his best season.
1982 was to be his final year in F1. It started badly with a poor first
race which saw him finish 18th, six laps behind. The next race saw him
finish eighth and get promoted to sixth when the first two drivers were
disqualified (Piquet-Brabham Ford, Rosberg-Williams Ford, both cars
underweight at finish).
At Long Beach he hit a wall and went out and then at Imola he overtook his
team mate on the last lap (something that caused huge friction between
them).
The next race (Zolder) saw his team mate killed, and Pironi did not race.
At Monaco he finished second, followed by a third place at Detroit.
Zandvoort saw him win his third GP and in Britain and France he finished on
the podium.
Then came the German GP, during a rain soaked practice session he was
unsighted and ran into the back of Alain Prost's Renault almost destroying
his legs. His season was over, he led the championship but there were five
races left and Keke Rosberg managed to score enough points to claim the
title.
Didier wanted to race, but without any finesse in his foot control (a
result of his accident) he could not return to F1, instead he chose
powerboat racing.
On August 23 1987 he crashed off the Isle of Wight (UK) and was killed.
Prost
Alain Prost, only the fourth driver ever to retain the drivers championship
was also one of the greatest F1 drivers.
It could have been very different, such were his skills with the ball he
could have become a professional footballer. It was an early karting World
championship win which made him pursue a career behind the wheel.
His first season was 1980 were he debuted at McLaren. The Woking team were
in a transitional stage and the car was nowhere near the pace of the
Williams (sounds familiar) nor could it match the Brabham, Ligier or
Renault machines. Despite this Alain managed to score points in his first
two races, two more points scores later in the season was not a bad result.
For the next ten years Alain would win races in every season.
A chance to join Renault in 1981 was a brilliant opportunity and one which
he did not pass up. The RE22B gave him his first podium finish when he came
third in Argentina. The RE30 was a much better car and allowed him to win
in France, Holland and Italy as well as gaining two second place finishes.
Alain finished fifth in the championship just seven points behind the
winner.
A second season with Renault and a brilliant start, two wins from two races
and it looked like Alain might be able to mount a serious attempt on the
drivers title. Sadly the rest of the season was dogged by engine failures
and fuel injection problems. Though he still managed to finish fourth in
the championship.
1983 was his last year with Renault, the new RE40 was much more reliable
than his car the year before and he retired only three times. Four wins
(France, Belgium, Britain and Austria) along with three other podium
finishes left him two points ahead going into the last race of the season
at Kyalami. A blown turbo forced him to retire. Nelson Piquet who had lead
the race from the start finally finished third and took the title. The
French press and Renault decided that Alain was at fault for not winning
the title and after much criticism he upped sticks and moved back to
McLaren who must have thought it was Christmas!
By 1984 McLaren were up with the front runners and Alain Prost and his new
team mate Niki Lauda won 12 of the races. Alain actually won seven to
Lauda's five but retirements in Belgium, Dallas, Britain and Italy cost him
the title by 0.5 points. The closest ever title race.
After coming so close in the previous two seasons Alain was determined to
succeed. In 1985 he won five races but finished second twice and third in
four other races. This consistency far out classed his team mate who only
finished three races. Alain won his first World championship by 20 points.
In 1986 Alain became the fourth driver (Ascari, Fangio and Brabham) to
retain the drivers championship. The season was a close battle between the
two Williams drivers (Mansell and Piquet) and Alain. Wins in San Marino,
Monaco and Austria helped him on his way and second place finishes in
Portugal and Mexico ensured that he was still in touch going into the final
race. Mansell had 70 points and Piquet and Prost were tied on 63. In
reality Mansell only needed to finish fourth to claim his first world
title. As the race came to a close Mansell suffered a 180 Mph puncture and
went out, Piquet who was then leading was called into the pits by Williams
for a precautionary tyre change and Prost sailed through into the lead to
take his second title by two points.
1987 saw Williams strengthen their position and again it was Mansell and
Piquet fighting for the title. Alain started off well enough with a win in
Brazil and Belgium but a series of retirements and low points scores left
him out of contention. He did manage one more win in Portugal and a second
in Spain, but scoring no points in the last three races left him fourth in
the championship.
1988 saw McLaren get Honda power and Ayrton Senna, the team swept all
before them winning fifteen of the sixteen races and setting a constructors
championship record of 199 points. They would have won all sixteen had it
not been for Jean Louis Schlesser. Schlesser was standing in for an ill
Nigel Mansell and collided with Senna while he was being lapped two laps
from the end of the race taking Senna out in the process. The MP4/4 Honda
was truly an outstanding car and McLaren had two of the best drivers ever
to sit in a Formula1 car. The early season belonged to Alain, wins in
Brazil, Monaco and Mexico put him into the lead a further win in France
helped him stay clear of the pack but his team mate was catching. Alain won
three more times, in Portugal, Spain and Australia. The title however went
to Ayrton Senna by three points. In 1988 the best 11 results counted and 7
wins and 7 second places were not enough. Although Prost actually scored
more points 105 to Senna's 94.
By 1989 Prost and Senna's relationship had started to deteriorate, Alain
got down to the business of racing though and put together a string of wins
and podium finishes which left him ahead by 16 points going into the last
two races. That infamous 47th lap collision with Senna at Suzuka which put
him out and led to Senna's disqualification ended the title race. At the
next race in Australia the now three time world champion refused to start
due to the appalling rain.
1990 saw Alain move to Ferrari, the Italian marques best season of late.
Alain won five times and six other points finishes left him going into the
last two races with a chance of retaining his title again. In an almost
carbon copy of the 1989 Japanese race Ayrton Senna ran Prost off the road
and put both drivers out. This gave the title to Senna with a 13 point lead
going into the last race.
1991 was the second year of his career when Alain failed to win a race, the
Ferrari struggled to be really competitive and neither Alain nor his new
team mate Jean Alesi could win in it. Alain came closest in the French GP
when he was just 5 seconds behind the race winner, further second place
finishes in the US and Spain helped him into fifth place in the drivers
championship. Alain was fired by Ferrari for his outspoken views on the
capabilities of the Ferrari 643 and his place at the last race was taken by
Gianni Morbidelli.
Disillusioned with F1 he decided not to race in 1992 and instead looked at
the options open to him. A deal with Williams for 1993 meant he would
return to partner his one time Ferrari team mate Nigel Mansell.
1993 came without Mansell, instead his team mate would be the test driver
Damon Hill. Between them they would win ten of the sixteen races, Prost
winning seven. Five other podium finishes allowed him to win his fourth
title by 26 points. Williams signed Senna for 1994 and Prost handed in his
resignation. The two drivers were hardly the best of friends and after
winning your fourth title it is easier to quit and avoid aggravation.
When people look at Prost they always get the impression that he never
really tried, his driving was so smooth and deceptively quick, rarely
mounting kerbs or sliding through corners. You just need a quick glance at
how many times he set the fastest lap of a race. 41, shows just how quick
he was, his nearest rival Mansell only managed 30.
Alain tops the drivers tables for the most wins with 51, for most fastest
laps with 41 and the most points scored with 768.5. He is also joint second
with Jim Clark on the pole positions table with 33.
Alain is now team principal of the Prost Mugen Honda team.
Pryce
Tom Pryce is another of the fallen heroes that died before he could really
achieve F1 greatness.
He started his F1 days in 1974 at the wheel of a Token (1 race), and then
moved to Shadow, he only managed to finish four times and only scored one
point but he did manage to qualify a less than brilliant car in third place.
1975 started in much the same way but things improved from Belgium when he
finished sixth. Four more points finishes, including one on the podium
helped him to 10th in the championship. He even scored his first pole
position at Silverstone.
1976 was a better year, the car finished all but three races, however it
was not as competitive and from 12 finishes he only managed 3 points
scoring drives.
Many drivers would have left Shadow, but Tom stayed on. The 1977 season
however was to prove no better. He finished the first race 8 laps down and
then in Brazil his engine seized.
It got worse, Shadow team mate Renzo Zorzi's engine failed, as he pulled
over and got out of his car the engine caught fire. Renzo returned to the
car and activated the extinguisher which put the fire out. However, two
over eager marshals decided that they would assist, they attempted to run
across the track carrying fire extinguishers just beyond a blind brow.
Sadly at the same time Tom Pryce and Hans Stuck came over the hill side by
side. Tom hit one of the marshals, killing him instantly, and the fire
extinguisher hit Tom on the head killing him instantly too. Tom's car
carried on down the hill to the first bend where it slammed into the Ligier
of Jacques Laffite. Laffite was uninjured.
Purley
If you look up David Purley in the record books you will see that he
started 7 GPs, never won, never qualified higher than 19th, never set a
fastest lap and didn't score any points.
A pretty unremarkable F1 career which was ended with a terrible practice
accident at the 1977 British GP which took him ages to recover from.
What David Purley is most remembered for is the events at the 1973 Dutch
GP. Roger Williamson's STP March had hit a barrier after tyre/suspension
failure, and the barrier had launched the car across the track where it
came to rest upside down and on fire. Williamson was trapped. The nearby
fire tender was down the track and not allowed to drive against the flow of
traffic to extinguish the fire. The marshals on the scene were either
unsure what to do or unwilling to approach the burning car.
As Purley came upon the scene he stopped and attempted (single handedly) to
right the overturned car. He then grabbed an extinguisher from a marshal
and tried to put the fire out. He returned to the car again and again but
it was all in vain. Williamson burned to death (live on TV, in front of
millions of viewers) while the marshals looked on in horror.
David Purley was awarded the George Medal for his attempts at saving
Williamson (I think this is second only to the Victoria Cross, unless the
George medal is the civilian equivalent) one of the highest bravery honours
that the UK government can award.
Paul Ricard
The Paul Ricard circuit has fantastic facilities and a mile long main
straight (Mistral) that leads into a fast right hander. The circuit is
3.610 miles long, though the F1 variant was shortened to 2.369 miles long
after the death of Elio de Angelis in 1986.
Nigel Mansell holds the lap record (1.04.402 - 132.425mph) which he set in
his Ferrari in 1990.
The circuit hosted the French GP 14 times between 1971 and 1990 before it
moved to Magny Cours.
Pedrables
Some circuits have competition for the national GP from tracks in their
home country. Pedrables has competition from tracks in and around the same
city. Like Catalunya and Montjuich Park, Pedrables is in Barcelona (OK so
Catalunya is 20 miles outside the city, but it is still classed as
Barcelona).
Host of the Spanish GP for the first two occasions (1951 and 1954) the
3.925 mile long circuit was closed in 1955.
Juan Manuel Fangio holds the lap record for the full 1951 circuit, while
Alberto Ascari holds the lap record for the longer 3.936 mile variant used
in 1954.
Pescara
In 1957 the "Pescara GP" made its one and only appearance as part of the
world championship after the cancellation of the Belgian, Dutch and Spanish
GPs.
Pescara is the longest circuit to have been used in the world championship,
16.032 miles long with two four mile long straights. The course also
featured level crossings and a twisting uphill section that went through
many villages.
The race was won by Sterling Moss.
Phoenix
Phoenix held the US GP three times, twice won by Ayrton Senna and once by
Alain Prost.
The track was a street circuit and never really proved a hit with the
public, the US GP was dropped after the 1991 race.
auto-moto.181swix,
Kupujem mesto pred TV-om od 18:00 - 20:00.
Uslov: da se u to vreme na TV gleda samo F1
ponude na mail
:(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
auto-moto.182swix,
Jeli kakve su to priče da će BK možda da uzme prava prenosa Formule 1.
Ja to pročitah u novom "Auto"-u.
Ajde ako neko zna nešto više, naka kaže.
auto-moto.183saturday,
poruka za swix zasto bas od 18 - 20 zar nije od 21 - 23
auto-moto.184saturday,
ajde ako nesto zaznate javite i meni jer sam vec poludeo
auto-moto.185vector,
Odlicna voznja Irvajna i Ralfa.
Trka - jedna od najgorih u poslednje vreme. :)
Trebalo je cuti komentatora sa RTL-a :
" Ralf Sumaha!!! Senzacionel!!! Jaaa!!! Gut!!! Drite place!!!
Jaaa!! Ralf!!! Senzacionel!!! "
:)
1. Villeneuve
2. Irvine
3. R.Schumacher
auto-moto.186obren,
Neizvesna trka, puno ispadanja i incidenata od samog starta. Uglavnom ovo
govori da će sezona ipak biti jaaako zanimljiva.
1. Villeneuve
2. Irvine
3. R. Schumacher
4. Herbert
5. Hakkinen
6. Berger
7. Alesi
...
Panis je jako vozio dok nije odustao zbog nekog kvara. Vileneuve u
završnici umalo nije ostao bez pobede (Irvine na "braniku" ;) ali
ostaje da vidimo da li je Williams imao tehničkih problema. Pohvale
za Hakkinena koji se još u početku jako uspešno probio tako da je
5. mesto priličan uspeh. Alezi je vozio kao poslednji amater, izgleda
da ima kompleks da pretekne Hila ;) pa je umalo odustao posle dva
incidenta pri preticanju. Šta još reći sem je*em ti državu u kojoj
ne možeš da gledaš prenos Formule 1... :(((
Special thanx to Atlantic kladinica ;)
auto-moto.187vector,
│ Trka - jedna od najgorih u poslednje vreme. :)
└─────────
Huh ... barem danasnji dan nije propao. :)
Danas oko 5:00 na Eurosportu se mogao gledati direktan prenos iz Malezije
(motorcycling grand prix) gde je Max Biaggi nastavio da dominira u klasi od
250cc iako je promenio tim. Prvi u klasi od 125cc bio je Valentino Rossi, a
u klasi od 500cc Michael Doohan ispred svog timskog kolege A.Criville-a!
Na Eurosportu se danas oko 22:00 moze pratiti direktan prenos trece trke
PPG C˙A˙R˙T sampionata. Naravno, u pitanju je Long Beach, a pol poziciju
je osvojio, cini mi se, Gil De Ferran, tako da ce najverovatnije biti dosta
dobra trka (kao i uvek, inace ;).
Kao sto neko rece (baker?), dominacija Williams Renault bolida postaje
dosadna. Trka je stvarno bila jedna od najgorih. Odavno tako losu trku
nisam gledao. 10 bolida je zavrsilo trku. Berger na sestoj, a Alesi na
sedmoj poziciji :(. Villeneuve, naravno :(, dominirao tokom citave trke.
Jedno vreme (pred sam kraj) se cinilo da Irvine ima sanse da ga obidje
do kraja trke, medjutim, nista od toga :(. Od starijeg Sumahera nista.
Ispao je u prvom krugu zbog sudaranja sa Baricelom, koji je trku nastavio.
Takodje nisam mogao da verujem kada sam video da Panis odustaje. Panis
je verovatno isao na 1 pitstop tako da bi imao odlicne sanse da pobedi
danas, opet, da mu se nije desilo to sto mu se desilo. ;)
Sve u svemu ... zacin C! :))
PS. Alesi & Berger RULE!
auto-moto.188miko,
Imam jedno pitanje za ljude koji su gledali danasnju trku.
Ustvari, da prvo napisem poredak, posto se trka nedavno zavrsila:
1. Villeneuve (rutinski)
2. Irvine (dosad najbolja trka otkada je u Ferrari-ju)
3. Schumacher (Ralf)
4. Herbert (preziveo golgotu ;)
5. Hakkinen (standardno, najbolji :)
6. Berger (zona sumraka)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
E, sad, do negde pedesetog kruga, na telopu se pojavljivalo
6. Alesi -> 1 Lap -> 7. Berger
a od tada
6. Berger -> 1 Lap -> 7. Alesi
????
Imajuci u vidu minijature koje su na pocetku izvodili
Hill/Diniz vs Alesi/Berger i par pirueta Benetton-ovih
vozaca, mozda je tu doslo do "mismatch-a" ( (c) by V.Olic ;))
Mislim, pojavi se jedan, drugi nestane ... potom ovaj drugi
"uleti" na sesto ili sedmo mesto, ovaj prvi valjda ode u
boks. Na kraju, jedan ispred drugog ... pa onda, obratno ;))
Definitivno, dream team ... da nema pomenutog dvojca, F1 bi
izgubila veliki deo humora koji sada poseduje.
auto-moto.189obren,
> Danas oko 5:00 na Eurosportu se mogao gledati direktan prenos iz Malezije
> (motorcycling grand prix)
Tooo! :) Ajde kad već pratiš na satelitu mogao bi redovno da kačiš
rezultate kad već vpoznanović neće O;)
> gde je Max Biaggi nastavio da dominira u klasi od 250cc iako je promenio
> tim. Prvi u klasi od 125cc bio je Valentino Rossi, a u klasi od 500cc
> Michael Doohan ispred svog timskog kolege A.Criville-a!
...što će reći Honda konačno može da objedini sve tri titule ;)
> Villeneuve, naravno :(, dominirao tokom citave trke.
Pa sad, dominirao je među onima koji su ostali u trci. Bilo bi
zanimljivo videti rasplet da su u igri ostali matori Šumaher,
Frentzen a bogami i Panis koji ga je pratio na početku ali je
ostalo nejasno na koju bi taktiku išao, šteta što odustade... :(
> Jedno vreme (pred sam kraj) se cinilo da Irvine ima sanse da ga obidje
> do kraja trke, medjutim, nista od toga :(.
Da, ono je bila idealna prilika za obilazak, bolju poziciju ne može
da zamisli - jednom mu se našao metar iza u repu na pravcu odmah posle
krivine. Al' šta je tu je... :)
> Od starijeg Sumahera nista.
Pa šta je mogao da uradi kad nije ni učestovao u trci... Čak mi dođe i
žao što nije završio ;)
auto-moto.190obren,
Komentar sa Atlasa F1 (http://www.atlasf1.com)
Williams-Renault nije bio tako nadmoćan nad ostalim učesnicima trke kao
što je to do sada bio slučaj. Žak Vilnev je morao dobro da se potrudi da
bi ostao na prvoj poziciji nakon što ga je Edi Irvajn stavio na muke u
poslednjim minutima trke. Olivije Pani je još jednom pokazao potencijale
Prost-Mugen bolida prateći vodećeg Vilneva na početku trke.
Ralf Šumaher je želeo samo da završi trku a uspeo je da se popne na
podijum, završivši treći uz pomoć Pežoovog motora koji je pokazivao
znake umora u poslednjim krugovima.
Zanimljivosti:
* McLaren je potpisao ugovor o sponzorstvu sa Mastercard-om
* Schumacher je ispao iz trke u prvoj krivini kada je udario u Baričela.
Baričelo je nastavio trku ali je oštetio vrh bolida. Kultard je takođe
ostao van trke jer ga je neko udario i otkinuo mu zadnji točak. On je
to prokomentarisao ovako: "Očekivao sam nešto u prvoj krivini ali ne
baš ovo."
* Frentzen je parkirao svoj Williams kraj staze zbog tehničkih problema
(coupling problem - ko zna nek prevede, mrzi me da tražim rečnik ;)
* Alesi je prilikom preticanja prerano zatvorio Hila i oba vozača su
se okrenula na stazi ali nastavila trku
* Panis je odustao zbog tehničkih problema u 18. krugu
* Ralf Schumacher pokušava nemoguć manevar protiv svog timskog kolege
Fizikele i izbacuje ga iz trke. Baričelo odustaje u istom krugu
* Larini ima velikih problema u pitu pošto cev za uvod goriva ne može
da se pričvrsti na otvor rezervoara
* Hill odustaje zbog otkaza motora u 33. krugu
* Katayama spinuje na ulasku u krivinu u 37. krugu dok Nakano izleće van
staze u pokušaju da izbegne sudar
* Pritisak goriva naglo opada u Ferštapenovom Tirelu usled čega Holanđanin
odustaje od dalje trke
* Nakano odustaje zbog problema sa bolidom
* Diniz spaljuje Yamahin motor u 50. krugu
* Larini parkira svoj bolid na kraju pitlejna u 63. krugu
* Magnussenov Ford eksplodira u 66. krugu
* Vremenski uslovi: suvo i sunčano
..co wri auto
Grand Prix of Argentina, 13/04/1997
Vremena:
───────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Villeneuve (Williams-Renault) 1h 52:01.715s
2. Irvine (Ferrari) + 0.979s
3. R. Schumacher (Jordan-Peugeot) + 12.089s
4. Herbert (Sauber-Petronas) + 29.089s
5. Hakkinen (McLaren-Mercedes) + 30.351s
6. Berger (Benetton-Renault) + 31.393s
7. Alesi (Benetton-Renault) + 46.359s
8. Salo (Tyrrell-Ford) 1 lap
9. Trulli (Minardi-Hart) 1 lap
10. Magnussen (Stewart-Ford) 6 laps
Nisu se kvalifikovali:
─────────────────────────────
Larini (Sauber-Petronas)
Diniz (Arrows-Yamaha)
Nakano (Prost-Mugen)
Verstappen (Tyrrell-Ford)
Katayama (Minardi-Hart)
Hill (Arrows-Yamaha)
Fisichella (Jordan-Peugeot)
Barrichello (Stewart-Ford)
Panis (Prost-Mugen)
Frentzen (Williams-Renault)
Schumacher (Ferrari)
Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes)
auto-moto.191obren,
Stanje na tabeli nakon trke za Veliku nagradu Argentine, 13/04/1997
Šampionat vozača Šampionat konstruktora
────────────────────────────────────── ───────────────────────────
Villeneuve (Williams-Renault) 20 Williams-Renault 20
Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes) 10 McLaren-Mercedes 19
Berger (Benetton-Renault) 10 Ferrari 14
Hakinnen (McLaren-Mercedes) 9 Benetton-Renault 11
Schumacher (Ferrari) 8 Prost-Mugen 6
Irvine (Ferrari) 6 Jordan-Peugeot 4
Panis (Prost-Mugen) 6 Sauber-Petronas 4
R. Schumacher (Jordan-Peugeot) 4
Herbert (Sauber-Petronas) 3
Larini (Sauber-Petronas) 1
Alesi (Benetton-Renault) 1
auto-moto.192vector,
│ Na Eurosportu se danas oko 22:00 moze pratiti direktan prenos trece trke
│ PPG C˙A˙R˙T sampionata. Naravno, u pitanju je Long Beach, a pol poziciju
│ je osvojio, cini mi se, Gil De Ferran, tako da ce najverovatnije biti dosta
│ dobra trka (kao i uvek, inace ;).
└─────────
U odnosu na jucerasnju trku u Argentini (F1), ovo je bilo fenomenalno. :)
Toyota G.P. of Long Beach
1. Alex Zanardi 4 7. Paul Tracy 3
2. Mauricio Gugelmin 17 8. Raul Boesel 40
3. Scott Pruett 20 9. Jimmy Vasser 1
4. Al Unser, Jr 2 10. Bobby Rahal 7
5. Parker Johnstone 27 11. Adrian Fernandez 32
6. Bryan Herta 8 12. Dario Franchitti 9
13. Mark Blundell 18 19. Paul Jasper 34
14. Andre Ribeiro 31 20. Hiro Matsushita 24
15. Patrick Carpentier 16 21. Gil de Ferran 5
16. PJ Jones 98 22. Michael Andretti 6
17. Michel Jourdain 19 23. Greg Moore 99
18. Gualter Salles 77 24. Roberto Moreno 11
25. Max Papis 25
26. Juan Fangio II 36
27. Richie Hearn 21
Point Standings (after 3 of 17 races) Sledeca trka
───────────────────────────────────── ────────────
1. Scott Pruett 44 April 27th
2. Alex Zanardi 41 from Nazareth, PA
3. Michael Andretti 35 Bosch Spark Plug G.P.
4. Greg Moore 28 2:00 PM Eastern
5. Mauricio Gugelmin 24
6. Paul Tracy 23
7. Jimmy Vasser 19
8. Parker Johnstone 15
9. Al Unser, Jr 12
10. Bryan Herta 11
11. Raul Boesel 11
12. Gil de Ferran 11
auto-moto.193vector,
│ * Hill odustaje zbog otkaza motora u 33. krugu
└─────────
Steta za Hilla. A bio je u poziciji da osvoji poene ...
auto-moto.194darth.vader,
>> Odlicna voznja Irvajna i Ralfa.
Prosto nisam mogao da verujem da Irvajnov bolid moze da izdrzi celu
trku ;) Coveku svaka cast, kao i Ferarijevim momcima ;)
>> Trka - jedna od najgorih u poslednje vreme. :)
Ne bih se bas kladio... Trka je bila sasvim ok, a to sto je Sumaher
ispao u prvom krugu, to i nije neka steta ;>>>
>> " Ralf Sumaha!!! Senzacionel!!! Jaaa!!! Gut!!! Drite place!!!
>> Jaaa!! Ralf!!! Senzacionel!!! "
Ovo sam cuo... Fora je bila kada komentator govori predak, govori
samo do Ralfa ;))) Fantom... Kada je Ralf bio 9ti, govorio je do 9tog
mesta, kada je bio 5. do 5. ;)))
U svakom slucaju, sasvim solidna trka... :)
Darth
auto-moto.195darth.vader,
>> Panis je jako vozio dok nije odustao zbog nekog kvara. Vileneuve u
Panis ove godine mnooogo dobro vozi... Jedini koji je uspeo da uspesno
prati Vilneva. Sta da kazem... Honda je ipak neprikosnovena sto se tice
motora... Ali dobitna kombinacija je tu ustvari Prost-Honda... Jos da
imaju vozaca kao sto je Senna bio koji bi znao da potera bolid...
Veselo bi bilo... ;)
>> zavrsnici umalo nije ostao bez pobede (Irvine na "braniku" ;) ali
>> ostaje da vidimo da li je Williams imao tehnickih problema. Pohvale
>> za Hakkinena koji se jos u pocetku jako uspesno probio tako da je
Hakinen je ok vozio, ali steta sto je Kultard uleteo u ono sr*nje
na pocetku... Mozda bi bilo vise poena za McLaren...
>> 5. mesto prilican uspeh. Alezi je vozio kao poslednji amater, izgleda
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...ako mu izadjem, $%^$#& (C) Bora Djordjevic ;)
Darth
auto-moto.196darth.vader,
>> E, sad, do negde pedesetog kruga, na telopu se pojavljivalo
>> 6. Alesi -> 1 Lap -> 7. Berger
>> a od tada
>> 6. Berger -> 1 Lap -> 7. Alesi
>>
>> ????
E da... I ja sam to primetio u jednom trenutku, ali verujem da
je to greska do ovih sto prenose... :)
auto-moto.197obren,
Vesti:
* Čuveni Ferarijev dizajner, John Barnard, prešao je u Arrows kod
Toma Walkingshaw-a.
* Saznaje se da i TWR (Arrows) i Benetton pregovaraju sa Hondom oko
snabdevanja motorima za sledeću sezonu, pošto Mugen-Honda napušta
Prost Grand Prix nakon ove sezone.
* Jedan Senin bolid prodat je na dobrotvornoj aukciji za 5.2 miliona
dolara.
auto-moto.198schef,
][ Pa ovo je necuveno. Alesi i Berger 11. i 12., a onaj mali gad
][ Villeneuve prvi. Ccc. :)
Taj mali gad će biti 'The Champ' pa ti sad gledaj... ;)
auto-moto.199obren,
Upravo videh da je Žak Vilnev je u toku trke imao izvesnih problema sa
digestivnim traktom ;), što objašnjava onu prilično neubedljivu vožnju
u završnici ("naivna je muka svaka pored muke od stomaka..." ;)
Dakle, ko je pomislio da je video "sumrak Williamsa" - malo se zaje*ao :)
auto-moto.200swix,
-=> poruka za swix zasto bas od 18 - 20 zar nije od 21 - 23
Dečko dečko. Formula je bila u 18:00
Neverujem da grešima li ako je tako......
p.s. Da nije možda bila na nekom kanalu (našem) ???????
auto-moto.201swix,
-=> Special thanx to Atlantic kladinica ;)
Da nema u Atlanticu da se gleda formula?
Ako ima prebiću te što to nisi ranije rekao :)
btw. jel ima kladionica (neka) za Formulu 1 ?
auto-moto.202swix,
-=> * Jedan Senin bolid prodat je na dobrotvornoj aukciji za 5.2 miliona
-=> dolara.
Eeeeeeeehhh da mi je tih para.
Nego koje godište, ako se zna. Barem, ako se zna, jel Williams, McLaren, ili
čak Lotus?
auto-moto.203vector,
│ Ne bih se bas kladio... Trka je bila sasvim ok, a to sto je Sumaher
│ ispao u prvom krugu, to i nije neka steta ;>>>
└─────────
Meni je bila losa. Da li je to zbog ubedljivo najgore staze koju covek
moze da zamisli ;) ili zbog neceg drugog (ispadanje Sumahera ;), pojma
nemam. ;)
Anyway, uz poruku su moji rekordi iz Minesweepera za "expert" nivo tezine.
Ako neko moze bolje, svaka cast! :)
rekordi.arjauto-moto.205stefan,
>Anyway, uz poruku su moji rekordi iz Minesweepera za "expert" nivo tezine.
>Ako neko moze bolje, svaka cast! :)
Pretpostavljam da su svi veoma ushićeni zbog tvojih rekorda ali
preporučujem da se ubuduće ovakve stvari šalju u odgovarajuću konferenciju
(mcule i njegova konferencija IGRE prosto vape za ovakim prilozima ;)
auto-moto.206stukelj,
> Toyota G.P. of Long Beach
Najveci kralj, Vasser, ponovo nije uspeo :(( da trijumfuje.
auto-moto.207vector,
│ Tooo! :) Ajde kad vec pratis na satelitu mogao bi redovno da kacis
│ rezultate kad vec vpoznanovic nece O;)
└─────────
Bice od sledece trke. :)
Za ovu znam samo rezultate za 500cc. ;)
Malaysian Grand Prix 500cc
────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan (AUS) Honda 47:11.545
2. Alex Criville (SPA) Honda 11.796 (problemi sa gumama ;)
3. Nobuatsu Aoki (JPN) Honda 13.403
4. Luca Cadalora (ITA) Yamaha 22.231
5. Tokuma Aoki (JPN) Honda 22.609
6. Carlos Checa (SPA) Honda 34.515
7. Alberto Puig (SPA) Honda 34.868
8. Norifumi Abe (JPN) Yamaha 34.908
9. Sete Gibernou (SPA) Yamaha 43.133
10. Todayuki Okada (JPN) Honda 43.853
11. Alex Barros (BRA) Honda 44.178
12. Regis Loconi (FRA) Honda 54.819
13. Troy Corser (AUS) Yamaha 55.433
14. Juan Borja (SPA) ELF 500 56.163
15. J.V.D.Goorbergh (NED) Honda 1:11.991
16. Lucio Pedercini (ITA) RCCYamaha 1 lap
17. Laurent Naveau (BEL) RCCYamaha 1 lap
auto-moto.208darth.vader,
>> p.s. Da nije mozda bila na nekom kanalu (nasem) ???????
Jedino sto imam da kazem u vezi ovog pitanja je:
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
jel znas neki o Muji i Hasi ?
auto-moto.209darth.vader,
>> btw. jel ima kladionica (neka) za Formulu 1 ?
Pa u Atlantic-u ima uvek kladjenje za Formulu 1 one nedelje
kada ima trka koliko ja znam...
auto-moto.210ppecanac,
Evo slike sa trke juce u Argentini.
(724X480)
ar_d3_05.jpgauto-moto.211ppecanac,
Jos jedna. (mozda okacim jos ovih dana)
(724x480)
ar_d3_06.jpgauto-moto.212nigy,
> Imam jedno pitanje za ljude koji su gledali danasnju trku.
> 6. Alesi -> 1 Lap -> 7. Berger
> Mislim, pojavi se jedan, drugi nestane ... potom ovaj drugi
> "uleti" na sesto ili sedmo mesto, ovaj prvi valjda ode u
> boks. Na kraju, jedan ispred drugog ... pa onda, obratno ;))
Culi ti za pitstop? To ti je ono kada vozac ode u box pa tamo
dolije gorivo i promeni pneumatuke, a to ga sve kosta trenutnog
padanja u poretku. ;)
auto-moto.213nigy,
> Da, ono je bila idealna prilika za obilazak, bolju poziciju ne moze
> da zamisli - jednom mu se nasao metar iza u repu na pravcu odmah posle
> krivine. Al' sta je tu je... :)
Nikako njegova krivica! Poznato je da ako na pocetku pravca vozac
uspe da udje u vakuum koji stvara bolid ispred, cak i sa nesto manje
konja "ispod haube", moze da "izleti" ispred ili barem u ravan sa bolidom
koga juri, pa ko se kako snadje na kocenju i u krivini.
Ono je samo pokazalo da Reno ima poprilicno konja vise od Ferrari-ja (mucke
sa gorivom?)
auto-moto.214nigy,
>][ Pa ovo je necuveno. Alesi i Berger 11. i 12., a onaj mali gad
>][ Villeneuve prvi. Ccc. :)
> Taj mali gad ce biti 'The Champ' pa ti sad gledaj... ;)
Pa znas kako, mislim da bi i Djovana Amati postigla veoma zapazen
rezultat da je dobila Williams-ov bolid da se vozika godinu dana.
auto-moto.215darth.vader,
>> Ono je samo pokazalo da Reno ima poprilicno konja vise od Ferrari-ja (mucke
>> sa gorivom?)
Ma ne verujem da su mucke, jednostavno, bolji motor...
auto-moto.216darth.vader,
>> Culi ti za pitstop? To ti je ono kada vozac ode u box pa tamo
>> dolije gorivo i promeni pneumatuke, a to ga sve kosta trenutnog
>> padanja u poretku. ;)
E ti ga bas pretera... Zar mislis da je Berger mogao da vozi tako
da je od tog pitstopa do kraja trke mogao da prestigne Alezija za 2 kruga ?
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.217darth.vader,
>> Jos jedna. (mozda okacim jos ovih dana)
>> (724x480)
Koliko sam ja vidjao, ima i slika u 1024x768, pa bi mogao da posaljes neku
od slika te rezolucije O:)...
Nije da se bunim zbog ovih ali... :)
auto-moto.218obren,
> 1. Michael Doohan (AUS) Honda 47:11.545
> 2. Alex Criville (SPA) Honda 11.796 (problemi sa gumama ;)
Uh, oni se kolju već duže vreme, prošle godine (mislim da je bilo u
Španiji) Krivije ga je zveknuo 50 metara pred ciljem sa razlikom od
samo 2 hiljaditinke! Vraćali su tri puta fotofiniš pošto ni tako
nije bilo jednostavno uočiti ko je prvi prošao kroz cilj :)
Dao bio 10-20 DM za snimak te trke... O;)
> 14. Juan Borja (SPA) ELF 500 56.163
^^ ^^^^^^^
Ovo je inače "najbrži i najjači motocikl na svetu" po rečima ELF-a ;>
auto-moto.219obren,
> Pa u Atlantic-u ima uvek kladjenje za Formulu 1 one nedelje
> kada ima trka koliko ja znam...
Prošle nedelje su se femkali ali je ipak bilo klađenja koliko videh.
Za one koji ne znaju, može da se kladi na pobedu vozača, zatim da
li će biti 1. ili 2. i na duele parova koje oni odrede. Sećam se
nekih koeficijenata, za pobedu Vilneva 1.20, za Šumija je bilo 3.5,
za Panija čak 10 itd. Kod duela Vilnev-Šumaher su koeficijenti bili
1.6:1.2 dok se za ostale baš i ne sećam.
auto-moto.220vpoznanovic,
F1: Argentinian GP winners' press conference
Q Jacques, a fantastic result for you, a sixth career
win and your second victory in a row. How did it go
for you today?
JV It was very, very difficult. First of all Panis was
very quick at the beginning of the race and I think
he had less stops than us so it was going to be
tough. I don't know what happened to him but then on
the first stop I had problems with the gear shift.
It was staying stuck on the upshift a lot of times
so I slowed down a little bit until I noticed that
these two guys that were on a harder compound would
win on one stop. It was really, really tough. We had
to push hard. The car was very good, the team did a
great job the whole weekend but I think we chose the
wrong tyres. With the amount of rubber on the track
towards the middle and the end of the race we were
picking up a lot of understeer and we were
blistering the tyres, so it was very difficult to
keep them behind. They both really impressed me
today.
Q Did you plan to do three stops right from the start
or was that a last minute decision?
JV No, we had planned to do three stops. We weren't
expecting anyone to do a one stop so we were a
little bit surprised and it almost caught us out.
Q Were you confident that you were going to hold Eddie
off there at the end?
JV No, because I had huge blisters on the tyres and on
low fuel, with his tyres, he was actually quicker
than us. So just before we did our last pitstop I
really pushed hard to make sure that we'd pit out in
front of him because I knew on our last stint, with
the same amount of fuel, Eddie would be quicker.
Q Jacques, well done. Eddie, your best podium finish
yet. You must be absolutely delighted today.
EI Yeah, I'm pleased. I had a feeling all weekend it
was going to go well. The car handled a lot better
here than it has done in previous races although we
struggled a bit in qualifying a bit more than I
thought we would but in the race once the fuel came
off the car was very, very good and it went
obviously reasonably well. We had a good start also.
Q Yeah, you qualified seventh and came out of the
first corner fourth. What happened on that first
corner, were you involved at all?
EI I just made a great start. I came around the outside
of Heinz who just got ahead of me so I just pulled
in behind him and the next thing, I came round, I
saw the yellows with Michael off, so I don't
actually know what happened there.
Q This is your best result since Australia in 1996 so
do you think things are finally going to come right
for you now and you're gonna be up here on a regular
basis?
EI It's been a long wait for sure. I've always said I
prefer this car to last year's car. It's still
obviously lacking a bit in qualifying but it's
coming together. I had problems in Australia, I had
problems in Brazil with the brakes which we sorted
out. We're definitely making headway.
Q Eddie, well done. Ralf, only your third grand prix
and you finished third. You must be delighted.
RS Well, yeah. I mean, the whole weekend, especially
the qualifying, went quite good. With choosing the
hard tyre which seemed to be the right decision, the
point being that it was very hot today. I was
surprised a bit in the qualifying that we could
drive so quick compared to the Williams and Ferrari,
then today in the race the tyres last a little bit
more than I expected. I was a bit careful in the
beginning. I even couldn't push too much because I
was in traffic. Our strategy worked very good and I
was very satisfied with the car today.
Q What happened with your teammate because you seemed
to have a bit of an incident there?
RS Well, yeah. The corner before the back straight he
missed the line and then he was too close to me. I
tried to overtake him and I thought he made space
and then he closed the door. I tried to go over the
grass but I touched him. I don't know what happened
to him. Did he continue or not? But I mean, well, it
happened but it's a shame I mean, normally it
shouldn't happen really in the team, but well I just
can... later I will speak to him.
Q How confident are you for the rest of the season for
yourself and the Jordan team?
RS So far I think our car work quite well on all the
circuits, so I think we could be quite confident to
keep pace and to have some good results for the rest
of the season. We will work hard on our car. For
sure there is something to work on. For sure I have
to do, I have to learn, a lot of things and
hopefully by the middle season we have a good
package to stay there where we are really.
auto-moto.221swix,
-=>
-=>│ Ne bih se bas kladio... Trka je bila sasvim ok, a to sto je Sumaher
-=>│ ispao u prvom krugu, to i nije neka steta ;>>>
-=>└ ─────────
-=>
-=> Meni je bila losa. Da li je to zbog ubedljivo najgore staze koju covek
-=> moze da zamisli ;) ili zbog neceg drugog (ispadanje Sumahera ;), pojma
-=> nemam. ;)
-=>
-=> Anyway, uz poruku su moji rekordi iz Minesweepera za "expert" nivo
-=> tezine. Ako neko moze bolje, svaka cast! :)
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Minesweeper???? u konferenciji Sport, pa još i tema auto-moto.......
Hmmmm vectore da nisi ti skroz naskroz poludeo.
Vidim ja da si lud kad voliš !@##!@$#$5 obućara, ali da šalješ rekorde iz
..... ovde ....
Bože sačuvaj.
:)
auto-moto.222stukelj,
> Uh, oni se kolju vec duze vreme, prosle godine (mislim da je bilo u
> Spaniji) Krivije ga je zveknuo 50 metara pred ciljem sa razlikom od
> samo 2 hiljaditinke! Vracali su tri puta fotofinis posto ni tako
> nije bilo jednostavno uociti ko je prvi prosao kroz cilj :)
Da nije bila Ceska, a ne Spanija ? U Jerezu je Mick Doohan odneo glatku
pobedu, a u Catalunyi je Checa pobedio... :)
> Ovo je inace "najbrzi i najjaci motocikl na svetu" po recima ELF-a ;>
:) A ove godine su svi primili na KR3 motore, pa se nisu bas proslavili
na trci... JM Bayle i KR Jr nisu osvojili ni jedan jedini poen... :)
auto-moto.223rades,
> (coupling problem - ko zna nek prevede, mrzi me da trazim
> recnik ;)
Ja mislim da je to otprilike problem sa nekim nastavcima cevi.
auto-moto.224miko,
» Culi ti za pitstop? To ti je ono kada vozac ode u box pa
» tamo dolije gorivo i promeni pneumatuke, a to ga sve kosta
» trenutnog padanja u poretku. ;)
Stvarno? Nisam znao. Anyway, hvala ti sto si me prosvetlio.
Kako ne znam na koji drugi nacin bih mogao izraziti svoju
zahvalnost, evo da i ja tebe prosvetlim.
Cu li ti za nesto sto se u logici zove "kruzna definicija"?
Ne? E, pa to ti je kada pojam definises drugim pojmom istog
znacenja, dakle sinonimom. Znaci, " ... pitstop? To ti je
ono kada vozac ode u box ..." ti ne bi proslo ni u osnovnoj
skoli ... eventualno u vrticu.
Inace, mislim da znam gde je doslo do greske.
Naime, to se desilo onda kada je Alesi dva puta pokusao da
obidje Hill-a, i oba puta se okrenuo na stazi.
Prvi put je uspeo brzo da se vrati, ali drugi put je morao
da propusti gomilu vozaca koji su bili iza njega. Vrlo je
verovatno da je u istom krugu otisao u boks kako bi promenio
gume, tako da je tu izgubio taj krug koji mu je na kraju
nedostajao.
To objasnjava i Berger-ov "nestanak" u plasmanu, koga su oni
od tog trenutka pomesali sa Alesi-jem i njegov naknadni
povratak na sedmo mesto, kada je vecina vozaca poispadala.
Gresku su ispravili tek pred kraj trke ...
auto-moto.225swix,
-=> Uh, oni se kolju već duže vreme, prošle godine (mislim da je bilo u
-=> Španiji) Krivije ga je zveknuo 50 metara pred ciljem sa razlikom od
-=> samo 2 hiljaditinke! Vraćali su tri puta fotofiniš pošto ni tako
-=> nije bilo jednostavno uočiti ko je prvi prošao kroz cilj :)
Grešiš silno, ovaj grešiš silno sinko.
U Španiji je pobedio Doohan i to tako što je Criville pao u poslednjoj
krivini pred cilj. Naravno u zadnjeg krugu :)
auto-moto.226swix,
-=> Nikako njegova krivica! Poznato je da ako na pocetku pravca vozac
-=> uspe da udje u vakuum koji stvara bolid ispred, cak i sa nesto manje
-=> konja "ispod haube", moze da "izleti" ispred ili barem u ravan sa bolidom
-=> koga juri, pa ko se kako snadje na kocenju i u krivini.
Pa kako nije onda njegova krivica? Ovim samo potvrđuješ da je Irvine imo
šanse da ga pretekne.
-=> Ono je samo pokazalo da Reno ima poprilicno konja vise od Ferrari-ja
-=> (mucke sa gorivom?)
Nije bre ljudi samo konjaža u pitanju. Veliki uticaj ima set-up (odnosi
brzina, downforce, visina bolida).
Zatim aerodinamika, pa na kraju vozačko iskustvo i samo umeće.
auto-moto.227swix,
-=> Culi ti za pitstop? To ti je ono kada vozac ode u box pa tamo
-=> dolije gorivo i promeni pneumatuke, a to ga sve kosta trenutnog
-=> padanja u poretku. ;)
Moj komentar je da sam osto bey komentara.
ALO čoveče dva kruga su otprilike 3 minuta.
Jel znaš koliko treba problema sa tankovanjem goriva, menjanjem guma i koliko
treba da mu se puta ugasi motor pa da izgubi tri minuta.
Bre, za tri minuuta mu promene sve spojlere, gume, potpuno zamene gorivo
(ispuštanje i ponovo dosipanje :), pa još vozač stigne i da se "olakša" u
obližnjem poljskom ...
:))))))))))))))
p.s. jesam malo preterivo ali breeee....... tri minuta za pit stop. Šta je
previše previše je.
auto-moto.228ica.z,
> btw. jel ima kladionica (neka) za Formulu 1 ?
Mozesh da se kladish bukvalno na sve :))
Chak i za trke buba u Japanu ;))))
auto-moto.229obren,
> Da nije bila Ceska, a ne Spanija ? U Jerezu je Mick Doohan odneo glatku
> pobedu, a u Catalunyi je Checa pobedio... :)
Da, da ipak je Češka bila, no svejedno trka je bila fenomenalna :)
auto-moto.230nigy,
>E ti ga bas pretera... Zar mislis da je Berger mogao da vozi tako
>da je od tog pitstopa do kraja trke mogao da prestigne Alezija za 2 kruga ?
Naravno da ne. Pao jeste, a to za dva kruga je cista greska glupih
nemaca. :)
Pozdrav :)
auto-moto.231nigy,
> Stvarno? Nisam znao. Anyway, hvala ti sto si me prosvetlio.
Molim i drugi put. :)
> E, pa to ti je kada pojam definises drugim pojmom istog
> znacenja, dakle sinonimom. Znaci, " ... pitstop? To ti je
> ono kada vozac ode u box ..." ti ne bi proslo ni u osnovnoj
> skoli ... eventualno u vrticu.
Pa otkud ja znam koji ti je pojam blizak. :)
A to za vrtic nisam upucem. Verujem ti na rec. :)
> Inace, mislim da znam gde je doslo do greske.
Ko da im zameri? Kad su nasi komentatori (R.R. C.B. i V.P.) mogli
i po desetak krugova da daju ocigledno pogesne podatke, sto ne bi mogli
i nemci koji su gledali njihovu bracu?
auto-moto.232nigy,
> Pa kako nije onda njegova krivica? Ovim samo potvrdujes da je Irvine imo
>sanse da ga pretekne.
Pazi u toj situaciji je toliko jednosavan postupak da sumnjam da ga doticni
nije vec apsolvirao. Samo zalepis pedalu i naglo skrenes kada dodjes do
bolida ispred.
> Nije bre ljudi samo konjaza u pitanju. Veliki uticaj ima set-up (odnosi
>brzina, downforce, visina bolida).
> Zatim aerodinamika, pa na kraju vozacko iskustvo i samo umece.
Kada je u repu, bolid iza prakticno nema kontakta sa vazdusnim zidom
koji probija onaj ispred, tako da set-up ne igra u tom trenutku veliku
ulogu. Tada se motor "zavrti" brze i vise nego da sam probija vazduh
tako da "dobije" par konja sto je sasvim dovoljno da izleti barem u
istu ravan sa bolidom koga juri. Pri izletanju, bolid se suocava sa
iznenadnim otporom vazduha, ali zaliha konja je dovoljna da malo
"povuce". Ipak Irvine nije ni pokusao tako nesto jer ni ta zaliha nije
kompenzovala razliku u snazi... :(
Prosto ne mogu da verujem da to nije uradio iz neznanja...
auto-moto.233nigy,
>ALO covece dva kruga su otprilike 3 minuta.
Vec rekoh da je zaostao ali ne 3 min. 3 min su dodale svabe. :)
Pozdrav :)
auto-moto.234darth.vader,
>> Prosle nedelje su se femkali ali je ipak bilo kladenja koliko videh.
Ma to oni non stop tako... Prosle cele sezone, pa izgleda i ove...
>> li ce biti 1. ili 2. i na duele parova koje oni odrede. Secam se
E za te duele mi niej bas najjasnije sta su hteli da kazu... Sta ako
duela izmedju 2 doticna vozaca ne bude ? Jednostavno jedan bude 3 mesta
ispred drugog ? Onda pucas pare a? :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.235darth.vader,
>> Naravno da ne. Pao jeste, a to za dva kruga je cista greska glupih
>> nemaca. :)
Pa rekoh ja odma da je njihova greska...
auto-moto.236darth.vader,
>> Ko da im zameri? Kad su nasi komentatori (R.R. C.B. i V.P.) mogli
>> i po desetak krugova da daju ocigledno pogesne podatke, sto ne bi mogli
>> i nemci koji su gledali njihovu bracu?
Sto jes jes ;) Nego fora je u tome sto bih ja vise voleo da slusam
nase gluposti, nego one njihove komentatore koji daju poredak samo
do brace Sumaher... Lako se ja snadjemkad nasi daju pogresan podatak.
Ali zato kad nemac kaze nesto tako, ja veze nemam sta je bilo... :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.237darth.vader,
>> Vec rekoh da je zaostao ali ne 3 min. 3 min su dodale svabe. :)
Ma mozda su nemci propustili onih 18 stop-go kazni (po 10 sec) za
pit line speeding ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.238miko,
» istu ravan sa bolidom koga juri. Pri izletanju, bolid se
» suocava sa iznenadnim otporom vazduha, ali zaliha konja je
» dovoljna da malo "povuce". Ipak Irvine nije ni pokusao
» tako nesto jer ni ta zaliha nije kompenzovala razliku u
» snazi... :( Prosto ne mogu da verujem da to nije uradio iz
» neznanja...
Ma, Irvine nije ni bio u prilici da izvede tako nesto, jer je Villeneuve-a
sustizao samo na krivinama, sto je i normalno posto je jedina sansa u takvim
situacijama prestici vozaca ispred sebe kasnim kocenjem i "secenjem" putanje
gonjenog bolida.
Nema tu mnogo veze sasija i snaga motora, vec konkretna situacija u kojoj
se dva vozaca nadju. Odnosno, vaznost mesta za koje se bore. Da ne bih
navodio primere iz dalje proslosti (poput cetvrtog mesta najboljeg, Derek
Warwick-a, na GP Madjarske pre tri godine ili Alesi-jevih petnaestak
junackih krugova odolevanja Schumacher-u na GP Portugala pre dve godine ili
senzacionalne pobede Thierry Boutsen-a na GP Madjarske 1990, koji je izdrzao
napade Mansell-a, Nannini-ja, potom petnaest krugova Senna-e za vratom i
pobedio sa skroz istrosenim gumama, zbog toga sto je imao Pit Stop manje
od ostalih ili ... do +beskonacno ;), seti se duela Alesi-Hill na prosloj
trci i cinjenice da cak ni toliko mocniji bolid nije mogao slabijeg sustici
na pravcu, vec ga je oba puta prelazio u krivini.
Dakle, ako brze izadje iz krivine, i Minardi ce na pravcu "bezati"
Williams-u ... jer, i ako razlika medju bolidima postoji i mozda je
dosta izrazena, ipak nijedan nije toliko slab da ga moze obilaziti
ko, kako i kada, hoce.
Irvine je za par krugova "uzeo" Villeneuve-u vise od 4.5 sekunde, i da je
bio sam na stazi, vozio bi jos bolje. Ovako, on se na krivinama "unosio"
u bolid ispred sebe, zbog cega je morao da koci kao manijak i dopusti da
mu Villeneuve na pravcu pobegne dvadesetak metara. Nikada, ustvari, i nije
imao pravu sansu ... Verovatno je shvatio da je bolje drugo mesto u ruci
nego prvo na grani ;))
auto-moto.239miko,
» Pa otkud ja znam koji ti je pojam blizak. :)
» A to za vrtic nisam upucem. Verujem ti na rec. :)
^^^^^^
Upucem?
Bolje licno proveri ;) ... i za osnovnu skolu, takodje ;))
» Ko da im zameri? Kad su nasi komentatori (R.R. C.B. i
» V.P.) mogli i po desetak krugova da daju ocigledno pogesne
» podatke, sto ne bi mogli i nemci koji su gledali njihovu
» bracu?
Da, ali Ceda, Veljko i Rade (najveci lik na nasim prostorima, a i
sire ;) nisu ispisivali poredak na ekranu, vec su samo preuzimali
prenos od Eurosport-a, tako da su to bili "otezani uslovi rada" ;))
Oni su morali da pricaju o raznim glupostima, da slusaju engleskog
komentatora i da prate trku. Priznaces, u poredjenju sa Nemcima koji
se nalaze na "licu mesta", i koji imaju gomilu ljudi koja se brine
da sve bude kako bi trebalo, oni su ipak imali pravo da pogrese.
A i Rade se malo slabije snalazio medju silnim papirima ;)))
auto-moto.240obren,
> E za te duele mi niej bas najjasnije sta su hteli da kazu... Sta ako
> duela izmedju 2 doticna vozaca ne bude ? Jednostavno jedan bude 3 mesta
> ispred drugog ? Onda pucas pare a? :)
Uplata (tj. klađenje) se mora izvršiti pre kvalifikacija; pare dobijaš
samo ako vozač na koga si se kladio _završi_ trku boljim plasmanom od
njegovog konkurenta u klađenju, znači svejedno je da li je onaj drugi
ispao ili bio deset mesta iza. Ako oba vozača ispadnu - gubiš pare :)
auto-moto.241giovanni,
Ę? Ono je samo pokazalo da Reno ima poprilicno konja vise od Ferrari-ja
Ę? (mucke sa gorivom?)
Nije samo stvar u snazi motora nego i u tome kako se ona prenosi na tlo,
Ferrari ima skoro svake godine najjači motor (bar deklarisanu snagu).
Još jedna stvar je vežna: kako se ponaša motor u nižim režimima rada,
odnosno na manjem broju obrtaja. Ferrarijevi motori su poznati po tome da
kada bi celu trku odradili na 10-12 hiljada obrtaja ne bi imali premca ali
im je rak rana manji broj obrtaja i elastičnost u tim režimima. Ferrari
ima problema i sa menjačem tako da kada se sve to uzme u obzir onda je
Irvajnov rezultat iz Argentine pravo čudo.
auto-moto.242pecanac,
Iz Argentine, sa treninga u prosli petak, Mika Hakinen.
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arg2a.jpgauto-moto.243pecanac,
Jos jedna, isti vozac.
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arg29a.jpgauto-moto.244darth.vader,
>> Uplata (tj. kladenje) se mora izvrsiti pre kvalifikacija; pare dobijas
>> samo ako vozac na koga si se kladio _zavrsi_ trku boljim plasmanom od
>> njegovog konkurenta u kladenju, znaci svejedno je da li je onaj drugi
>> ispao ili bio deset mesta iza. Ako oba vozaca ispadnu - gubis pare :)
Axa, thanks... :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.245swix,
-=> Dakle, ako brze izadje iz krivine, i Minardi ce na pravcu "bezati"
-=> Williams-u ... jer, i ako razlika medju bolidima postoji i mozda je
-=> dosta izrazena, ipak nijedan nije toliko slab da ga moze obilaziti
-=> ko, kako i kada, hoce.
Ovo nije tačno.
Fordovi krš V8 motori su i po 100 konja slabiji od Mercedesa (na prvom mestu
;) Renaulta, Ferrarija, Peugeouta i ajde recimo Hondi.
Vozači ovih boljih kad hoće i kako hoće mogu da deru ove sa Cosworthima.
auto-moto.246nigy,
> Ma, Irvine nije ni bio u prilici da izvede tako nesto, jer je Villeneuve-a
> sustizao samo na krivinama, sto je i normalno posto je jedina sansa u takvim
> situacijama prestici vozaca ispred sebe kasnim kocenjem i "secenjem" putanje
> gonjenog bolida.
Imao je jednu (cinimi se dva-tri kruka pred kraj) kada mu je skroz prisao u
onoj sporoj desnoj i zatim se ceo ciljni pravac vozio u zavetrini bez i jednog
pokusaja obilazenja... :(
auto-moto.248miko,
» Fordovi krs V8 motori su i po 100 konja slabiji od
» Mercedesa (na prvom mestu ;) Renaulta, Ferrarija,
» Peugeouta i ajde recimo Hondi.
»
» Vozaci ovih boljih kad hoce i kako hoce mogu da deru ove
» sa Cosworthima.
Secas li se da je pre, valjda, cetiri godine, kada je Prost bio
sampion, Senna sa upravo tim krsom od V8 motora uzeo pet pobeda!
Ako se podsetis, sa istim motorom je vozila polovina F1 timova.
Znaci, pet puta je pobedio Renault-a, Fordov revolucionarno najavljeni
"ZETEC-R" i tada, po deklarisanoj snazi, ubedljivo najjaceg Ferrari-ja
sa 12 cilindara, u V-rasporedu ;)
Dakle, bitna je i sasija ... ali, to nije poenta. Vec sam u prosloj
poruci naveo nekoliko primera, a da ne bih zamarao vise, da kazem
da je najbitnija inspiracija vozaca i vaznost mesta za koje se
bori. Naravno, to ne znaci da svako moze da dobije trku, vec da
svako moze da odoleva odredjeno vreme, u zavisnosti od toga ko mu
je iza ledja i kako i jedan i drugi voze na toj trci.
Seti se Eddie Irvine-a i njegove prve trke u Suzuki. Vozio je bolid
Jordan HART, a prosto je harao stazom. Cini mi se da je zavrsio cak
na cetvrtom mestu. Bukvalno je prokrcio svoj put dotle. Na kraju je
bilo zanimljivo, kada Senna-i nije dao da ga obidje za citav krug vec
je vozio do kraja samo da bio ostao u istom krugu sa njim.
U krajnjem slucaju, Mercedes ove godine ima najjaci motor (po deklarisanoj
snazi), a da li ih iko ubraja u prva 3-4 favorita za pobedu?
auto-moto.249swix,
-=> Secas li se da je pre, valjda, cetiri godine, kada je Prost bio
-=> sampion, Senna sa upravo tim krsom od V8 motora uzeo pet pobeda!
Senna je Senna.
Njega ne dozvoljavam nisakim da poređuješ.
-=> Ako se podsetis, sa istim motorom je vozila polovina F1 timova.
I sada :). Yato što je najeftiniji i među najizdržljivijima.
-=> Znaci, pet puta je pobedio Renault-a, Fordov revolucionarno najavljeni
-=> "ZETEC-R" i tada, po deklarisanoj snazi, ubedljivo najjaceg Ferrari-ja
-=> sa 12 cilindara, u V-rasporedu ;)
Ferrari-jeva je masa potirala snagu.
ZETEC-R je krš što se i kasnije uvidelo.
Što se tiče Renaulta..... i Williamsa, pa nisu ni oni baš savršeni :)
-=> U krajnjem slucaju, Mercedes ove godine ima najjaci motor (po
-=> deklarisanoj snazi), a da li ih iko ubraja u prva 3-4 favorita za pobedu?
Mercedes ima ubedljivo najjači i najkvalitetniji motor (ovo drugo je možda
moja subjektivnost na delu ;). Među najboljima je kad se gleda max. br.
obrtaja i elastičnost.
Problem je u McLaren-ovoj šasiji a donekle i u vozačima.
btw. ja ih svrstavam ispred oba Bennetona i Irvine-ovog Ferrari-ja.
auto-moto.250darth.vader,
>> Secas li se da je pre, valjda, cetiri godine, kada je Prost bio
>> sampion, Senna sa upravo tim krsom od V8 motora uzeo pet pobeda!
>> Ako se podsetis, sa istim motorom je vozila polovina F1 timova.
Senna je bio zakon. A i ne mozes da gledas onda sta je bilo i da
uporedjujes sa sadasnjim vremenom... A i ne mozes da Sennu uporedjujes
sa sadasnjim vezarama.
A sada da bilo ko vozi takav motor, ne bi mogao da se nosi sa jednim
McLaren Mercedes-om ni u ludilu. Da ne spominjemo jos konkurentnije
bolide...
>> Dakle, bitna je i sasija ... ali, to nije poenta. Vec sam u prosloj
Naravno da je bitna sasija. Da nije bitna, ona bi se pravila od naj
jeftinijeg materijala i ne bi bila aerodinamicna uopste.
A za vozaca... Ako i najbolji vozac ima los motor, ne moze on nista
da uradi...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.251darth.vader,
>> Problem je u McLaren-ovoj sasiji a donekle i u vozacima.
Nikako nije problem u vozacima. McLaren ne moze imati bolji
duo vozaca od ovih. Da su njih dvojica u Williams-u ili cak
i Benneton-u, gde bi im bio kraj ?
A sasija im jeste losa, ali je ubedljivo najlepsa ;)
>> btw. ja ih svrstavam ispred oba Bennetona i Irvine-ovog Ferrari-ja.
Slazem se, ali bih u ove nabrojane svrstao i drugog (ili bolje prvog)
Ferarija... Nije ni on mnogo bolji... ;>
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.252swix,
-=> duo vozaca od ovih. Da su njih dvojica u Williams-u ili cak
-=> i Benneton-u, gde bi im bio kraj ?
Rekoh donekle. Ipak nisu na nivou jednog Alesi-a, Schumachera, Bergera ili
Villeneuve-a.
I nemislim baš da je Benneton mnogo bolji od mece :)
-=> A sasija im jeste losa, ali je ubedljivo najlepsa ;)
Nikad nemoj lepotu bilo kog Mercedesa dovodii u pitanje :)
auto-moto.253tomislavr,
> uporedjujes sa sadasnjim vremenom... A i ne mozes da Sennu uporedjujes
> sa sadasnjim vezarama.
Da kao što će neki "tata" da kaže - "ne možeš upoređivati Filtipaldija i
tog tvog Senu", ili neki "deda" - "Fanđo je Fanđo...". Svako vreme ima
svo je heroje. Sada se u F1 nalazi dvadesetak najboljih vozača na svetu,
čast Japanskim izuzecima ;), i glupo je reći za bilo koga od njih da je
vezara...
auto-moto.254tomislavr,
> Slazem se, ali bih u ove nabrojane svrstao i drugog (ili bolje prvog)
> Ferarija... Nije ni on mnogo bolji... ;>
Ferarija ste prerano otpisali, ja samo čekam Imolu da stvari legnu na
mesto... :)
auto-moto.255vector,
│ Problem je u McLaren-ovoj sasiji a donekle i u vozacima.
│
│ btw. ja ih svrstavam ispred oba Bennetona i Irvine-ovog Ferrari-ja.
└─────────
Mclaren ispred Benettona ?!?
Nesto tu smrdi ... Alesi & Berger rule! :)
auto-moto.256stukelj,
> Fordovi krs V8 motori su i po 100 konja slabiji od Mercedesa (na prvom mestu
> ;) Renaulta, Ferrarija, Peugeouta i ajde recimo Hondi.
Ovde se govori o V8 motorima sve najgore, a cini mi se da se u IndyCaru
koriste upravo V8 motori: Honda, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota. Istina, koriste
oni i neki tamo levi turbo... :) Ford iako apsolutno nekonkurentan u F1
u IndyCaru sasvim lepo gura, da podsetim u prve 3 trke, vozaci sa Fordovim
motorima su 2 puta pobedili i to: Andretti u Homesteadu i Pruett u
Queenslandu :)
P.S. Jimmy Vasser rules !
auto-moto.257stukelj,
> A za vozaca... Ako i najbolji vozac ima los motor, ne moze on nista
> da uradi...
Ne mora da znaci, ako je vozac fenomenalan (kao npr. Prost ;) moze on
da uzme solidan broj bodova u sampionatu, recimo dvadesetak...
Naravno, Prost bi i sa Minardijem pobedjivao... ;>>
auto-moto.258stukelj,
> Nikako nije problem u vozacima. McLaren ne moze imati bolji
> duo vozaca od ovih. Da su njih dvojica u Williams-u ili cak
> i Benneton-u, gde bi im bio kraj ?
Vozaci su veoma dobri, mada Coulthard ponekad nema veze sa vezom, ali
ipak Benetton ima dvojicu najboljih vozaca...
auto-moto.259stukelj,
> Da kao sto ce neki "tata" da kaze - "ne mozes uporedivati Filtipaldija i
> tog tvog Senu", ili neki "deda" - "Fando je Fando...". Svako vreme ima
> svo je heroje. Sada se u F1 nalazi dvadesetak najboljih vozaca na svetu,
> cast Japanskim izuzecima ;), i glupo je reci za bilo koga od njih da je
> vezara...
Tesko da su to dvadesetak najboljih vozaca na svetu... Kao sto si rekao
Japanci nemaju blage, a ima tu jos debila...
P.S. Jimmy Vasser rules !
auto-moto.260miko,
» Senna je Senna.
» Njega ne dozvoljavam nisakim da poredujes.
Pored ostalog, bio je i covek, zar ne? Ako je mogao on, moze i neko drugi ...
» Ferrari-jeva je masa potirala snagu.
» ZETEC-R je krs sto se i kasnije uvidelo.
» Sto se tice Renaulta..... i Williamsa, pa nisu ni oni bas
» savrseni :)
Dakle, snaga motora je vrlo potreban, ali ne i dovoljan faktor uspeha.
» Mercedes ima ubedljivo najjaci i najkvalitetniji motor
» (ovo drugo je mozda moja subjektivnost na delu ;). Medu
» najboljima je kad se gleda max. br. obrtaja i elasticnost.
Jeste, ali ako gledas realno, Renault je jos uvek na prvom mestu.
» Problem je u McLaren-ovoj sasiji a donekle i u vozacima.
Rekao bih, problem nije u vozacima, vec donekle u sasiji ;)
» btw. ja ih svrstavam ispred oba Bennetona i Irvine-ovog
» Ferrari-ja.
Sad mi se "javilo" ;), kada bi u Mclaren-u vozili Hakkinen i Irvine,
prosto bi harali stazom! ;)
auto-moto.261miko,
» Senna je bio zakon. A i ne mozes da gledas onda sta je
» bilo i da uporedjujes sa sadasnjim vremenom... A i ne
» mozes da Sennu uporedjujes sa sadasnjim vezarama.
U pravu si! Tada je "postojao" samo Williams, vladao je samo Williams, a rec
zakon je bila sinonim za Williams ;) I Senna je nacinio cudo ...
Sada "postoje" i Ferrari, Benetton, McLaren, pa cak i Ligier (bivsi). Tako
je konkurencija izjednacenija, a mogucnost da neko ponovi Senna-in uspeh
veca.
Znaci, ako hocete da tako "postavim" stvari, Senna je bio vanzemaljac i
uspeo je ono sto niko drugi ne bi. E, ako je on uspeo sve to, mozemo
ocekivati da neko drugi uradi bar pola od toga. Pola od toga je za sadasnje
vreme i vise nego dovoljno.
Poenta:
Snaga motora ne cini vozaca, vec vozac cini snagu motora! ;)
auto-moto.262stukelj,
> Sada "postoje" i Ferrari, Benetton, McLaren, pa cak i Ligier (bivsi). Tako
^^^^^^
To se sada zove Prost. Sef tima je najbolji vozac svih vremena.
Ipak, Prost je "profesor"... ;>> Senna mu nije bio ravan ;>>
> Znaci, ako hocete da tako "postavim" stvari, Senna je bio vanzemaljac i
> uspeo je ono sto niko drugi ne bi. E, ako je on uspeo sve to, mozemo
Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po kisi se ne racuna)
auto-moto.263obren,
> Mercedes ima ubedljivo najjači i najkvalitetniji motor (ovo drugo je
> možda moja subjektivnost na delu ;). Među najboljima je kad se gleda
> max. br. obrtaja i elastičnost.
Za pouzdanost OK, bar prema dosadašnjim trkama, ali koliko ja znam
elastičnost je još uvek glavni _problem_ a ne prednost Mercedesa a i
Ferarija, dok za max. snagu ne znam - pričali su da je najjači te
Ferrari, te Pežo, sad kažeš i Mercedes. Mada, činjenica je da oni dobro
prolaze na brzim stazama u kojima se konstantno vozi pri visokom broju
obrtaja. Sa druge strane Renoov motor je još uvek zakon ma šta drugi
proizvođači pričali - j*be ;) gde stigne...
Kad smo kod elastičnosti, na Internetu sam našao jedan tekst gde jako
hvale Mugenov motor po pitanju elastičnosti (zato i dobro prolazi na
stazama sa dosta sporijih krivina, između ostalih i u Monte-Karlu).
Po pitanju max. snage verovatno nije najjači ali je u svakom slučaju
jako konkurentan što se već moglo videti na proteklim trkama iako
Panis nije po vozačkim kvalitetima u vrhu. Jedini problem je što Prost
zbog ugovora mora da drži u timu onog skota od Šindji Nakana umesto da
nabavi nekog normalnog vozača koji će bar da završava trke ako ne da
pobeđuje, ovako sve ostaje na jednom vozaču, tj. Panisu :(
auto-moto.264obren,
> Poenta: Snaga motora ne cini vozaca, vec vozac cini snagu motora! ;)
Fanđo je svojevremeno izjavio da su za uspeh u trci zaslužni 60 posto
motori i šasija, 30 posto vozač i 10 posto sreća tog dana. Cenim da to
i danas uglavnom važi... :)
auto-moto.265obren,
> To se sada zove Prost. Sef tima je najbolji vozac svih vremena.
> Ipak, Prost je "profesor"... ;>> Senna mu nije bio ravan ;>>
PRost je svakako legenda i po brojkama Prost je uspešniji od Sene to
stoji, a subjektivno je već stvar ukusa - meni je Senin stil vožnje
neponovljiv i i rekao bih da Seni niko nije bio ravan.
BTW, šta misliš na šta bi ličile trke Formule 1 protekle dve godine
da je majstor poživeo i ostao da vozi sa Hilom u onakvom Wilijamsu? ;)
> Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po kisi se ne
> racuna)
A zašto se vožnja po kiši ne računa?
auto-moto.266miko,
» Fando je svojevremeno izjavio da su za uspeh u trci
» zasluzni 60 posto motori i sasija, 30 posto vozac i 10
» posto sreca tog dana. Cenim da to i danas uglavnom vazi...
Pa, otprilike tako ... anyway, potpisujem ;)
auto-moto.267miko,
» To se sada zove Prost. Sef tima je najbolji vozac svih
» vremena. Ipak, Prost je "profesor"... ;>> Senna mu nije
» bio ravan ;>>
Ispravite me ako gresim, ali mislim da bi ipak trebalo da je
u nazivu tima ostalo negde i ono Ligier, jer bi u protivnom
Prost, kao novi tim, morao da plati pristupninu, plus sto ne
bi dobio pare od prosle sezone za mesta koja su osvajali.
» Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po
» kisi se ne racuna)
Paaaaa ... pricao na portugalskom jeziku! ;))
auto-moto.268miko,
» PRost je svakako legenda i po brojkama Prost je uspesniji
» od Sene to stoji, a subjektivno je vec stvar ukusa - meni
A sto je Prost, oko, cetiri/pet sezona vise vozio?
Mislim da brojke najvise idu u korist Senna-i, upravo
zbog toga sto je vozio 50/60 trka manje, a imao:
1) duplo vise pol-pozicija od Prost-a
2) vise najbrzih krugova od Prost-a
3) nekoliko pobeda manje od Prost-a
4) tri titule sampiona (plus 1989)
Da li iko sumnja da bi, da je odvezao bar jos dve sezone,
Senna imao (VELIKU) prednost u skoro svakoj od kategorija?
auto-moto.269nigy,
> To se sada zove Prost. Sef tima je najbolji vozac svih vremena.
> Ipak, Prost je "profesor"... ;>> Senna mu nije bio ravan ;>>
A jesu li ti tako rekli? ;) Francuz je imao osecaj za voznju
ali je bio veliki ziheras. Ni traga Senna-inoj srcanosti.
>Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po kisi se ne racuna)
Navedoh ti gore, a sto se kisa ne bi racunala? ;)
Da nije mozda zbog one situacije kada je ('90 ili '91) po kisi u krugu za
zagrevanje samo izasao sa staze "parkirao_bilid_i_izvukao_kljuceve)? ;>
Ili kada je '93 potpisau ugovor za Williams sa klauzulom da mora iz
tima leteti Mansell i da Senna ne sme potpisati ugovor za tu sezonu? ;>
Prost - sampion, izraziti favorit. ;)
auto-moto.270nigy,
> Ovde se govori o V8 motorima sve najgore, a cini mi se da se u IndyCaru
> koriste upravo V8 motori: Honda, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota. Istina, koriste
> oni i neki tamo levi turbo... :) Ford iako apsolutno nekonkurentan u F1
> u IndyCaru sasvim lepo gura, da podsetim u prve 3 trke, vozaci sa Fordovim
> motorima su 2 puta pobedili i to: Andretti u Homesteadu i Pruett u
> Queenslandu :)
Za konfiguraciju staza u F1 se kao naj optimalniji pokazao V10 motor.
Porastom broja cilindara motora raste i maximalni broj obrtaja sto uslovljava
i vecu snagu. Obrnuta proporcionalnost vazi za elasticnost motora. Idealno bi
bilo kada bi svaki tim imao sva tri motora na raspolaganju (V8;V10;V12) tokom
sezone pa da ih koristi u zavisnosti od konfiguracije svake staze, ali je ovo
ekonomska rupa bez dna. Zato je Ferrari sa svojim [na zalost poslednjim - ko
je uzivo cuo tu grmljavinu zna o cemu pricam :( ] V12 motorom imao najveci br.
obrtaja (a samim tim i snagu), ali i ocajnu krivu porasta te te snage pa je
pri nizim rezimima "ostajao bez daha". :(
auto-moto.271vector,
│ Dakle, bitna je i sasija ... ali, to nije poenta. Vec sam u prosloj
│ poruci naveo nekoliko primera, a da ne bih zamarao vise, da kazem
└─────────
Naravno, u primerima su navedene staze gde prakticno i nema mesta za
obilazenje. Estoril i Hungaroring. :)
auto-moto.272vector,
│ Ili kada je '93 potpisau ugovor za Williams sa klauzulom da mora iz
│ tima leteti Mansell i da Senna ne sme potpisati ugovor za tu sezonu? ;>
└─────────
... da bi zatim Mansell osvojio IndyCar sampionat ... ccc ...
... eh, da je Zanardi vozio te godine ... :)
auto-moto.273vector,
│ Pored ostalog, bio je i covek, zar ne? Ako je mogao on, moze i neko drugi ...
└─────────
Pa Sumaher nema toliko konkurentan bolid, zar ne ? :)
PS. Kao ni Alesi i Berger. :)
auto-moto.274swix,
-=> » Senna je Senna.
-=> » Njega ne dozvoljavam nisakim da poredujes.
-=>
-=> Pored ostalog, bio je i covek, zar ne? Ako je mogao on, moze i neko drugi
Teško!!!!
-=> ... » Mercedes ima ubedljivo najjaci i najkvalitetniji motor
-=> » (ovo drugo je mozda moja subjektivnost na delu ;). Medu
-=> » najboljima je kad se gleda max. br. obrtaja i elasticnost.
-=>
-=> Jeste, ali ako gledas realno, Renault je jos uvek na prvom mestu.
Realno, ali na taj "realni" pogled veliki uticaj ima kako "ide" ceo bolid, a
McLaren-ov ide slabo zbog šasije.
-=> » btw. ja ih svrstavam ispred oba Bennetona i Irvine-ovog
-=> » Ferrari-ja.
-=>
-=> Sad mi se "javilo" ;), kada bi u Mclaren-u vozili Hakkinen i Irvine,
-=> prosto bi harali stazom! ;)
Ovo mi nije jasno.
auto-moto.275swix,
-=> Za pouzdanost OK, bar prema dosadašnjim trkama, ali koliko ja znam
-=> elastičnost je još uvek glavni _problem_ a ne prednost Mercedesa a i
-=> Ferarija, dok za max. snagu ne znam - pričali su da je najjači te
-=> Ferrari, te Pežo, sad kažeš i Mercedes. Mada, činjenica je da oni dobro
-=> prolaze na brzim stazama u kojima se konstantno vozi pri visokom broju
-=> obrtaja. Sa druge strane Renoov motor je još uvek zakon ma šta drugi
-=> proizvođači pričali - j*be ;) gde stigne...
Niko tačno nezna koliko koji ima konja, mada je opšte poznata stvar da su
najjači Mercedes, Ferrari i Peugeout (što si i sam reko)
Elastičnost nije problem kod Mercedesa.
Renoov motor, hara samo (skoro samo) zbog odlične Williams-ove šasije, a ne
toliko zbog samog motora.
Ovo potvrđuje Benneton koji sa (skoro) istim motorom pravi daleko lošije
razultate.
Ovde bih dodao da Benneton ima zasigurno bolje vožače (pre svega mislim na
Alesi-ja) od Wiliams-a.
-=> Panis nije po vozačkim kvalitetima u vrhu. Jedini problem je što Prost
-=> zbog ugovora mora da drži u timu onog skota od Šindji Nakana umesto da
-=> nabavi nekog normalnog vozača koji će bar da završava trke ako ne da
-=> pobeđuje, ovako sve ostaje na jednom vozaču, tj. Panisu :(
Jeb' ga!
auto-moto.276swix,
-=> » Fando je svojevremeno izjavio da su za uspeh u trci
-=> » zasluzni 60 posto motori i sasija, 30 posto vozac i 10
-=> » posto sreca tog dana. Cenim da to i danas uglavnom vazi...
-=>
-=> Pa, otprilike tako ... anyway, potpisujem ;)
Otprilike. Koliko ja znam reko ja da 3/4 uspeha čini bolid a samo 1/4 vozač.
Sreću nije spominjo.
auto-moto.277swix,
-=> Da li iko sumnja da bi, da je odvezao bar jos dve sezone,
-=> Senna imao (VELIKU) prednost u skoro svakoj od kategorija?
Pa još bi te dve sezone odvezo u Williamsu. Osvojio bi svaku titulu do svog
retire-a :).
auto-moto.278swix,
-=> ekonomska rupa bez dna. Zato je Ferrari sa svojim [na zalost poslednjim -
-=> ko je uzivo cuo tu grmljavinu zna o cemu pricam :( ] V12 motorom imao
-=> najveci br. obrtaja (a samim tim i snagu), ali i ocajnu krivu porasta te
-=> te snage pa je pri nizim rezimima "ostajao bez daha". :(
Ali je zato uvek "ljudski" srko čorbu. :)
auto-moto.279swix,
-=> Naravno, u primerima su navedene staze gde prakticno i nema mesta za
-=> obilazenje. Estoril i Hungaroring. :)
U novije vreme ovde možeš da dodaš i Argentinu.
auto-moto.280obren,
> Niko tačno nezna koliko koji ima konja, mada je opšte poznata stvar da
> su najjači Mercedes, Ferrari i Peugeout (što si i sam reko)
Rekao sam da _oni tvrde_ da imaju najjače motore, što ne znači da je
i tačno... :)
> Elastičnost nije problem kod Mercedesa.
Aj' kad ti kažeš.
> Renoov motor, hara samo (skoro samo) zbog odlične Williams-ove šasije, a
> ne toliko zbog samog motora.
Zato se Frenk Vilijams toliko upinje da zadrži Renoa u Formuli još koju
godinicu... ;)
> Ovo potvrđuje Benneton koji sa (skoro) istim motorom pravi daleko lošije
> razultate.
...a demantuje Šumaher koji je sa istim tim bolidom odrao Vilijams dok je
vozio u Benetonu ;) Videćemo šta će da uradi sa Ferarijem koji je jači
po tvojim rečima.
> Ovde bih dodao da Benneton ima zasigurno bolje vožače (pre svega mislim
> na Alesi-ja) od Wiliams-a.
Ima, al' za malo ;) Berger & Alezi su možda najbolje što je Flavio uspeo
da skrpi posle odlaska Šumahera i Herberta ali su oni dvojica potrošenih
i nedostatkom pobeda_iskompleksiranih vozača. Prvo, Berger se kolje sa
Alezijem ko će da bude prvi vozač a ni jedan od njih nema šampionski
mentalitet, nego jednostavno pokušavaju da uknjiže još po koju pobedu
za skor u karijeri. Vilnev definitivno juri šampionsku tituli i vozi
sračunato ka tom cilju. Uzgred, mislim i da je bolji vozač od obojice
navedenih, ali ne mogu da tvrdim dok ga ne vidim u nekom slabijem timu.
auto-moto.281darth.vader,
>> Rekoh donekle. Ipak nisu na nivou jednog Alesi-a, Schumachera, Bergera ili
>> Villeneuve-a.
U potpunosti se NE slazem sa tobom. Ipak mogu rame uz rame da stoje sa
njima. Oni su odlicni vozaci (obojica). E da je McLaren ono sto je
nekad bio, onda bi mogli da se dokazu...
>> I nemislim bas da je Benneton mnogo bolji od mece :)
Pa i nije mnogo bolji... Samo za 2 sasije... :)
>> Nikad nemoj lepotu bilo kog Mercedesa dovodii u pitanje :)
:))))))
Pa ja nikad i nisam ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.282darth.vader,
>> Ferarija ste prerano otpisali, ja samo cekam Imolu da stvari legnu na
>> mesto... :)
:))))
A znas sta ja cekam... Ja cekam Monte Karlo da vidim kako ce se stariji
Sumaher ponasati u prvoj krivini koja je prosle sezone meni donela mnogo
radosti ;>>>>> (J*bem ti vozaca ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.283darth.vader,
>> Da kao sto ce neki "tata" da kaze - "ne mozes uporedivati Filtipaldija i
>> tog tvog Senu", ili neki "deda" - "Fando je Fando...". Svako vreme ima
>> svo je heroje. Sada se u F1 nalazi dvadesetak najboljih vozaca na svetu,
>> cast Japanskim izuzecima ;), i glupo je reci za bilo koga od njih da je
>> vezara...
Ok, postujem ja svacije heroje, i smatram da svako treba da ima svoje
misljenje. Nisam zeleo da potcenim sadasnje vozace, ali samo kazem da
su svi oni losiji od Senne. A to sto ih je 20-ak najboljih na svetu, to
je normalno. Uvek je u F1 bilo 20-ak najboljih na svetu :)
Ali ipak, ima bisera, to ne mozes poreci ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.284stukelj,
> PRost je svakako legenda i po brojkama Prost je uspesniji od Sene to
> stoji, a subjektivno je vec stvar ukusa - meni je Senin stil voznje
> neponovljiv i i rekao bih da Seni niko nije bio ravan.
Prost jeste legenda i meni se vise svidjao njegov nacin voznje...
> A zasto se voznja po kisi ne racuna?
Zato sto je tu uvek Sena pobedjivao... Kisa je kisa, tu uvek neko ima
prednost tj. neko bolje vozi po kisi, a neko nema blage na kisi :)
auto-moto.285stukelj,
> A sto je Prost, oko, cetiri/pet sezona vise vozio?
Pa i Berger i Alesi voze sto godina i zajedno nisu osvojili pobeda
koliko Hill u jednoj sezoni...
> 4) tri titule sampiona (plus 1989)
A Prost ovo nema ?
auto-moto.286stukelj,
> A jesu li ti tako rekli? ;) Francuz je imao osecaj za voznju
> ali je bio veliki ziheras. Ni traga Senna-inoj srcanosti.
Ovo je vise stvar licnog ukusa... Ja sam uvek vise voleo Prosta i niko
me nece ubediti da je Senna bio bolji vozac !
> Ili kada je '93 potpisau ugovor za Williams sa klauzulom da mora iz
> tima leteti Mansell i da Senna ne sme potpisati ugovor za tu sezonu? ;>
Pa sta ? A sta je sa Schumacherom ? Jel pored njega vozi Hill ili debil
poput Irvine-a ? Da ne pominjem da Irvine-u garant ne daju isti bolid
ko Schumacheru.
auto-moto.287stukelj,
> Niko tacno nezna koliko koji ima konja, mada je opste poznata stvar da su
> najjaci Mercedes, Ferrari i Peugeout (sto si i sam reko)
> Renoov motor, hara samo (skoro samo) zbog odlicne Williams-ove sasije, a ne
> toliko zbog samog motora.
Hoces da kazes da je Reno jedan tezak krs i da stavis Hart V8 u Williams
da bi oni i dalje bili najbolji ?!?
> Ovde bih dodao da Benneton ima zasigurno bolje vozace (pre svega mislim na
> Alesi-ja) od Wiliams-a.
Alesi i Berger jesu odlicni vozaci, ali ti gledaj njihove rezultate u
proslosti i videces da nisu nikad nista uradili... Po meni Villeneuve i
Frentzen nisu za potcenjivanje.
auto-moto.288stukelj,
> Pa jos bi te dve sezone odvezo u Williamsu. Osvojio bi svaku titulu do svog
> retire-a :).
Pored Hilla ?!? ;>
auto-moto.289darth.vader,
>> Vozaci su veoma dobri, mada Coulthard ponekad nema veze sa vezom, ali
>> ipak Benetton ima dvojicu najboljih vozaca...
Ako mislis da Coulthard nema veze s vezom zbog onog otpadanja tocka
u Argentini, kriv je za svoje odustajanje isto koliko i Sumaher. A ti
proceni koliko je to.
A Beneton nema najbolji tim, cakstavise, ima najbaxuzniji tim koji mozes
pozeleti.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.290darth.vader,
>> Mclaren ispred Benettona ?!?
>> Nesto tu smrdi ... Alesi & Berger rule! :)
Ma ajde bre... Videli smo Alesija u poslednjih par trka. I sta je pokazao?
Berger je bolji, ali on je veteran covek. BTW nije ni on mnogo bolji od
Alesija...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.291darth.vader,
>> Pa Sumaher nema toliko konkurentan bolid, zar ne ? :)
Cak stavise ;>
>> PS. Kao ni Alesi i Berger. :)
Apsolutno potpuno sasvim tacna pretpostavka ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.292darth.vader,
>> > A za vozaca... Ako i najbolji vozac ima los motor, ne moze on nista
>> > da uradi...
>> Ne mora da znaci, ako je vozac fenomenalan (kao npr. Prost ;) moze on
>> da uzme solidan broj bodova u sampionatu, recimo dvadesetak...
>> Naravno, Prost bi i sa Minardijem pobedjivao... ;>>
Hmmmm... Ma Prost - Honda je dobitna kombinacija u svakom slucaju.
U ovo sa Minardijem se ne bi bas kladio ;)
A da bi uzeo solidan broj poena, uzeo bi, ali iskljucivo Senna,
ali ga to ipak ne bi dovelo daleko.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.293darth.vader,
>> U pravu si! Tada je "postojao" samo Williams, vladao je samo Williams, a
>> rec zakon je bila sinonim za Williams ;) I Senna je nacinio cudo ...
Hmmm... Pa nije bas tako... Nije se Senna dokazao sa Williamsom, vec
sa McLarenom ako se dobro secam. I nikako nije trebao da dodje kod onih
ubica u Williams, ali sta je tu je... :(
>> Sada "postoje" i Ferrari, Benetton, McLaren, pa cak i Ligier (bivsi). Tako
>> je konkurencija izjednacenija, a mogucnost da neko ponovi Senna-in uspeh
>> veca.
Hmmmm, ako Ferari, Beneton i Meklaren, pa i Prost svrstavas u konkurentne
bolide, svaka cast. Gore pobrojani su konkurentni, ali iskljucivo medju
sobom. Nikako kandidati za 1. mesto. :(((((((((((((
>> Poenta:
>> Snaga motora ne cini vozaca, vec vozac cini snagu motora! ;)
Vrlo lepo receno ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.294darth.vader,
>> To se sada zove Prost. Sef tima je najbolji vozac svih vremena.
>> Ipak, Prost je "profesor"... ;>> Senna mu nije bio ravan ;>>
E ovo su stvarno idiotske recenice. NHF, ali stvarno tako mislim.
Kako mu bre nije bio ravan, aj mi samo to objasni ?
>> Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po kisi se ne racuna)
Kao prvo, pobeda na kisi se racuna isto kao pobeda na suvom, cak neki
ljudi vise cene vozace koji bolje voze na kisi. Alesi je primer.
A tvoje pitanje moze i ovako:
Sta je to Prost radio sto Senna nije mogao ?
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.295darth.vader,
>> PRost je svakako legenda i po brojkama Prost je uspesniji od Sene to
>> stoji, a subjektivno je vec stvar ukusa - meni je Senin stil voznje
>> neponovljiv i i rekao bih da Seni niko nije bio ravan.
Potpuno se slazem, ali coveka su ubili. Da nisu, ne verujem da bi Prost
po brojkama i dalje ostao iznad.
>> BTW, sta mislis na sta bi licile trke Formule 1 protekle dve godine
>> da je majstor poziveo i ostao da vozi sa Hilom u onakvom Wilijamsu? ;)
160 bodova po sampionatu ? ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.296darth.vader,
>> Ispravite me ako gresim, ali mislim da bi ipak trebalo da je
>> u nazivu tima ostalo negde i ono Ligier, jer bi u protivnom
>> Prost, kao novi tim, morao da plati pristupninu, plus sto ne
>> bi dobio pare od prosle sezone za mesta koja su osvajali.
Pa zar nema ono Mugen ?
>> » Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po
>> Paaaaa ... pricao na portugalskom jeziku! ;))
:)))))))))))))))
Rekao bih da je Brazilski u pitanju, al' ajde ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.297nigy,
> ... da bi zatim Mansell osvojio IndyCar sampionat ... ccc ...
Pa cisto da pokaze ko je majstor. :)
> ... eh, da je Zanardi vozio te godine ... :)
Zanardi je cool! Onaj njegov potez na poslednjoj trci prosle sezone
bih veoma zeleo posedovati snimljen. :)
Ipak mislim da je Mansell bio za klasu bolji vozac.
auto-moto.298nigy,
>> Ovo potvrduje Benneton koji sa (skoro) istim motorom pravi daleko losije
>> razultate.
>
> ...a demantuje Sumaher koji je sa istim tim bolidom odrao Vilijams dok je
> vozio u Benetonu ;) Videcemo sta ce da uradi sa Ferarijem koji je jaci
> po tvojim recima.
Da, posebno '94 kada je Benneton bio "najcistiji" bolid sezone. ;)
Secas li se sta je rekao kada su utvrdili da u njegovom bolidu postoji
program za potpuno automatizovan start? Nesto u fazonu "Nisam ga koristio,
majke mi!" ;)
> Ima, al' za malo ;) Berger & Alezi su mozda najbolje sto je Flavio uspeo
> da skrpi posle odlaska Sumahera i Herberta ali su oni dvojica potrosenih
> i nedostatkom pobeda_iskompleksiranih vozaca.
O-ho-ho! Lepa kvalifikacija, nema sta. Jos kada bi je dokazao... ;)
> Prvo, Berger se kolje sa
> Alezijem ko ce da bude prvi vozac a ni jedan od njih nema sampionski
> mentalitet, nego jednostavno pokusavaju da uknjize jos po koju pobedu
> za skor u karijeri.
Da te obavestim, u ugovoru koji su njih dvojca potpisala za Benneton jasno
stoji da je Alesi prvi vozac. A to za mentalitet, Berger je prestao sa tim
stilom voznje posle Tamburela, ali je jedan od najvrednijih skupljaca bodova
za tim u F1. To je njegova uloga, a ne da bude sampion. Sto se Alesija tice,
u velikoj si zabludi da covek nema sampionskih ambicija. Trebao si kadkad da
oslusnes komentatore Eurospot-a koji su za njega uvek govorili da je to covek
koji uvek vozi 105% svojih mogucnosti i mogucnosti bolida. Na zalost zbog tog
nacina voznje bolidi koje on vozi neki put i zakazu, a i on nije uvek "hladne
glave" pa mu se desavaju i incidenti. U svakom slucaju nikako nije u pitanju
nedostatak sampionskog mentaliteta.
> Vilnev definitivno juri sampionsku tituli i vozi
> sracunato ka tom cilju. Uzgred, mislim i da je bolji vozac od obojice
> navedenih, ali ne mogu da tvrdim dok ga ne vidim u nekom slabijem timu.
Pa bilo bi malo smesno reci da je ne juri s obzirom sta vozi. A to da je bolji
tek treba da dokaze.
auto-moto.299nigy,
> Pa sta ? A sta je sa Schumacherom ? Jel pored njega vozi Hill ili debil
> poput Irvine-a ? Da ne pominjem da Irvine-u garant ne daju isti bolid
> ko Schumacheru.
Pa neces valjda to uzeti kao vrlinu Schumacheru? Ovde niko i ne hvali istog.
Kada neko uradi nesto slicno, nikako ne moze biti pozitivan lik.
Dakle odstranjivanje konkurenata iz tima putem ugovora je SHIT!
auto-moto.300nigy,
> Alesi i Berger jesu odlicni vozaci, ali ti gledaj njihove rezultate u
> proslosti i videces da nisu nikad nista uradili...
Da, ali ne zaboravi da su vozili za Ferrari koji je u najvecoj krizi od
kada postoji F1. :(
> Po meni Villeneuve i Frentzen nisu za potcenjivanje.
Naravno da nisu (pogotovu Frentzen).
auto-moto.301nigy,
>> Pa jos bi te dve sezone odvezo u Williamsu. Osvojio bi svaku titulu do svog
>> retire-a :).
>
> Pored Hilla ?!? ;>
Ti mora da si veliki saljivdzija. :)
auto-moto.302giovanni,
Ę? Da kao što će neki "tata" da kaže - "ne možeš upoređivati Filtipaldija i
Ę? tog tvog Senu", ili neki "deda" - "Fanđo je Fanđo...". Svako vreme ima
Ę? svo je heroje. Sada se u F1 nalazi dvadesetak najboljih vozača na svetu,
Dobro, ali Senna je Senna i on je jedan od najvećih (po meni 1. Fangio;
2. Senna) u istoriji.
auto-moto.303vector,
│ Sumaher ponasati u prvoj krivini koja je prosle sezone meni donela mnogo
└───────── ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Eh, da je to bilo u prvoj krivini ...
auto-moto.304vector,
│ Da te obavestim, u ugovoru koji su njih dvojca potpisala za Benneton jasno
│ stoji da je Alesi prvi vozac. A to za mentalitet, Berger je prestao sa tim
│ stilom voznje posle Tamburela, ali je jedan od najvrednijih skupljaca bodova
│ za tim u F1. To je njegova uloga, a ne da bude sampion. Sto se Alesija tice,
│ u velikoj si zabludi da covek nema sampionskih ambicija. Trebao si kadkad da
│ oslusnes komentatore Eurospot-a koji su za njega uvek govorili da je to covek
│ koji uvek vozi 105% svojih mogucnosti i mogucnosti bolida. Na zalost zbog tog
│ nacina voznje bolidi koje on vozi neki put i zakazu, a i on nije uvek "hladne
│ glave" pa mu se desavaju i incidenti. U svakom slucaju nikako nije u pitanju
│ nedostatak sampionskog mentaliteta.
└─────────
Naravno. Alesi i Berger su, barem po meni, dvojica najboljih vozaca u F1
danas. :)
auto-moto.305vector,
│>> BTW, sta mislis na sta bi licile trke Formule 1 protekle dve godine
│>> da je majstor poziveo i ostao da vozi sa Hilom u onakvom Wilijamsu? ;)
│
│ 160 bodova po sampionatu ? ;)
└─────────
Ja mislim da bi ipak Sumaher osvojio sampionat (koji je i osvojio) i da
je Senna ostao ziv ... :)
auto-moto.306vector,
│ Rekao bih da je Brazilski u pitanju, al' ajde ;)
└───────── ^^^^^^^^^
:)) Portugalski, sinko, portugalski .... :))
auto-moto.307vector,
│ Ipak mislim da je Mansell bio za klasu bolji vozac.
└─────────
Za klasu bolji vozac ? Ccc. Tu nesto ne ide. :)
auto-moto.308swix,
|->>> Rekoh donekle. Ipak nisu na nivou jednog Alesi-a, Schumachera, Bergera
|->>> ili Villeneuve-a.
|->
|-> U potpunosti se NE slazem sa tobom. Ipak mogu rame uz rame da stoje sa
|-> njima. Oni su odlicni vozaci (obojica). E da je McLaren ono sto je
|-> nekad bio, onda bi mogli da se dokazu...
Svako ima pravo da misli i da iznosi svoje mišljenje. Neću da ulazim u neku
diskusiju zato što ista nebi imala kraja. :)
|->>> Nikad nemoj lepotu bilo kog Mercedesa dovodii u pitanje :)
|->
|-> :))))))
|-> Pa ja nikad i nisam ;)
Mercedes je UVEK najlepši i to se zna. To ti dođe kao neki axiom. :)
Glupo je uopšte postavljati pitanje koji je bolid najlepši.
:))))))))))))))))
auto-moto.309swix,
|->│ Sumaher ponasati u prvoj krivini koja je prosle sezone meni donela mnogo
|->└ ───────── ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|->
|-> Eh, da je to bilo u prvoj krivini ...
Dobro, ajde nemoj cepidlačiš. :)
Ajde onda recimo 5,6,7.
Ovo (5,6,7) je "promenjivo" zbog razlike u mišljenjima ljudi. Ne misli svako
da je svako krivudanje staze krivina.
Još kad se prolazi u 6 (Ferrari u 7 :) brzini.
Odoh..........
auto-moto.310swix,
|->> Renoov motor, hara samo (skoro samo) zbog odlične Williams-ove šasije, a
|->> ne toliko zbog samog motora.
|->
|-> Zato se Frenk Vilijams toliko upinje da zadrži Renoa u Formuli još koju
|-> godinicu... ;)
Nisam ja rekao da je Renault loš već da je Williamsova odlična.
|->> Ovo potvrđuje Benneton koji sa (skoro) istim motorom pravi daleko lošije
|->> razultate.
|->
|-> ...a demantuje Šumaher koji je sa istim tim bolidom odrao Vilijams dok je
|-> vozio u Benetonu ;) Videćemo šta će da uradi sa Ferarijem koji je jači
|-> po tvojim rečima.
1. Bolidi Williams-a i Benneton nemoju baš nekih sličnosti.
2. Šumaherovi bolidi nikad nisu bili čisti.
3. Williams je tih godina bio u krizi.
|->> Ovde bih dodao da Benneton ima zasigurno bolje vožače (pre svega mislim
|->> na Alesi-ja) od Wiliams-a.
|->
|-> Ima, al' za malo ;) Berger & Alezi su možda najbolje što je Flavio uspeo
|-> da skrpi posle odlaska Šumahera i Herberta ali su oni dvojica potrošenih
|-> i nedostatkom pobeda_iskompleksiranih vozača. Prvo, Berger se kolje sa
|-> Alezijem ko će da bude prvi vozač a ni jedan od njih nema šampionski
|-> mentalitet, nego jednostavno pokušavaju da uknjiže još po koju pobedu
|-> za skor u karijeri. Vilnev definitivno juri šampionsku tituli i vozi
|-> sračunato ka tom cilju. Uzgred, mislim i da je bolji vozač od obojice
|-> navedenih, ali ne mogu da tvrdim dok ga ne vidim u nekom slabijem timu.
Ovo si lupio i to svetski.
Bre, kakav bre Herbert i Šumaher. Alesi je bolji od njih dvojice zajedno.
Koji bre kompleksi?
Međutim, čovek bre, nema sreće.
auto-moto.311swix,
|->> Niko tacno nezna koliko koji ima konja, mada je opste poznata stvar da
|->> su najjaci Mercedes, Ferrari i Peugeout (sto si i sam reko)
|->> Renoov motor, hara samo (skoro samo) zbog odlicne Williams-ove sasije, a
|->> ne toliko zbog samog motora.
|->
|-> Hoces da kazes da je Reno jedan tezak krs i da stavis Hart V8 u Williams
|-> da bi oni i dalje bili najbolji ?!?
Hoću da kažem da Renault nije najbolji motor.
auto-moto.312swix,
|->>> Da kao sto ce neki "tata" da kaze - "ne mozes uporedivati Filtipaldija
|->>> i tog tvog Senu", ili neki "deda" - "Fando je Fando...". Svako vreme
|->>> ima svo je heroje. Sada se u F1 nalazi dvadesetak najboljih vozaca na
|->>> svetu, cast Japanskim izuzecima ;), i glupo je reci za bilo koga od
|->>> njih da je vezara...
|->
|-> Ok, postujem ja svacije heroje, i smatram da svako treba da ima svoje
|-> misljenje. Nisam zeleo da potcenim sadasnje vozace, ali samo kazem da
|-> su svi oni losiji od Senne. A to sto ih je 20-ak najboljih na svetu, to
|-> je normalno. Uvek je u F1 bilo 20-ak najboljih na svetu :)
|->
|-> Ali ipak, ima bisera, to ne mozes poreci ;)
|->
|->
|-> See ya, Darth :)
Ja međutim, nemislim da će ljudi poput gore navadenih više postojati. Pre je
Formula bila, što se kaže, "gladijatorska" igra.
Pre se nije znalo do poslednje krivine ko će biti pobednik, a o tome ko će
biti šampion niko nije smeo ni da razmišlja.
Pre je vozač moro da bude (skoro) savršen. Morao je da pazi na deset puta
više stvar nego jedan Šumaher koji u bolidu ima više elektronike nego F-16. On
bre samo okreće volan, "drka" onu klackalicu od menjača i stišće dve pedale.
Ne želim da kažem da je i to lako, ali mu je daleko lakše nego Senni koji je
moro da zna bolid "u dušu" da bi pobedio.
Prošlo je doba borbi vozača zbog prestiža i samodokazivanja. Sada se vodi
borba za parama i velikim sponzorima.
Prevelike su sad pare u Formuli da bi se vreme Senne, Piquet-a, Prost-a i
ajde ;) Mansella ponovilo.
auto-moto.313swix,
|->> stoji, a subjektivno je vec stvar ukusa - meni je Senin stil voznje
|->> neponovljiv i i rekao bih da Seni niko nije bio ravan.
|->
|-> Prost jeste legenda i meni se vise svidjao njegov nacin voznje...
Onda mora da si ______.
Sennin stil je bio ono pravo. prost je previše pazio.
|->> A zasto se voznja po kisi ne racuna?
|->
|-> Zato sto je tu uvek Sena pobedjivao... Kisa je kisa, tu uvek neko ima
|-> prednost tj. neko bolje vozi po kisi, a neko nema blage na kisi :)
Ne, ne, dečko.
Senna je znao da vozi po kiši.
Ostali nemaju pojma da voze po kiši.
auto-moto.314swix,
|->│>> BTW, sta mislis na sta bi licile trke Formule 1 protekle dve godine
|->│>> da je majstor poziveo i ostao da vozi sa Hilom u onakvom Wilijamsu? ;)
|->│
|->│ 160 bodova po sampionatu ? ;)
|->└ ─────────
|->
|-> Ja mislim da bi ipak Sumaher osvojio sampionat (koji je i osvojio) i da
|-> je Senna ostao ziv ... :)
Veco nemoj više da lupaš.
Molim te.
:)))))))))))))
auto-moto.315swix,
|->>> » Sta je to Senna radio sto Prost nije mogao ? (voznja po
|->>> Paaaaa ... pricao na portugalskom jeziku! ;))
|->
|-> :)))))))))))))))
|-> Rekao bih da je Brazilski u pitanju, al' ajde ;)
Dečko dečko.
Čas geografije lesson 1.
1. Ne postoji "brazilski" jezik
2. U celoj Južnoj Americi se priča ili španskim ili portugalskim (češće
španski)
3. Brazil pripada Južnoj Americi
4. U Brazilu je službeni jezik portugalski.
Children,
class is dismised!
auto-moto.316swix,
|->> Pa sta ? A sta je sa Schumacherom ? Jel pored njega vozi Hill ili debil
|->> poput Irvine-a ? Da ne pominjem da Irvine-u garant ne daju isti bolid
|->> ko Schumacheru.
|->
|-> Pa neces valjda to uzeti kao vrlinu Schumacheru? Ovde niko i ne hvali
|-> istog. Kada neko uradi nesto slicno, nikako ne moze biti pozitivan lik.
|-> Dakle odstranjivanje konkurenata iz tima putem ugovora je SHIT!
To se zove nedostatak samouverenosti i vere u sebe(usled znanja da ostoji
bolji)
I naravno to govori da ga je "prpa" :) od boljeg!!
auto-moto.317swix,
|->>> Vozaci su veoma dobri, mada Coulthard ponekad nema veze sa vezom, ali
|->>> ipak Benetton ima dvojicu najboljih vozaca...
|->
|-> Ako mislis da Coulthard nema veze s vezom zbog onog otpadanja tocka
|-> u Argentini, kriv je za svoje odustajanje isto koliko i Sumaher. A ti
|-> proceni koliko je to.
Ja mislim na onaj fascinanti ulaz u Pit u ...... znamo svi mi našta ja
mislim. :)
auto-moto.318obren,
> Da, posebno '94 kada je Benneton bio "najcistiji" bolid sezone. ;)
> Secas li se sta je rekao kada su utvrdili da u njegovom bolidu postoji
> program za potpuno automatizovan start? Nesto u fazonu "Nisam ga
> koristio, majke mi!" ;)
Da, to zaista baca senku na njegove uspehe (doduše ja ga ne volim iz
drugih razloga ;) ali ta činjenica ne umanjuje mnogo činjenicu da je i
u trkama često dominirao nad Vilijamsovim bolidima što sada Aleziju i
Bergeru ne polazi za rukom. Nije valjda da su Benetonovi bolidi nakon
odlaska Šumahera i Herberta odjednom propali pa i pored činjenice da
za tim voze "bolji vozači nego u Vilijamsu" ništa konkretno ne uspevaju
da urade?
> O-ho-ho! Lepa kvalifikacija, nema sta. Jos kada bi je dokazao... ;)
Da dokažem? Pa oni treba da dokažu da su dostojni šampiona, a ne ja
da nisu. Ako ti nije dovoljan dokaz da je Herbert u jednoj sezoni u
istom onom Benetonu sakupio (duplo ;) više pobeda nego Alezi za celu
karijeru onda ne znam šta je... :)
> Da te obavestim, u ugovoru koji su njih dvojca potpisala za Benneton
> jasno stoji da je Alesi prvi vozac.
S tim što se ponaša neozbiljno sa tim mestom u timu mnogo igra, tako
da me ne bi čudilo da ostane bez statusa prvog vozača ako ne i bez
mesta u timu :(
> A to za mentalitet, Berger je prestao sa tim stilom voznje posle Tamburela,
> ali je jedan od najvrednijih skupljaca bodova za tim u F1. To je njegova
> uloga, a ne da bude sampion.
Pa onda ne vidim po čemu je bolji vozač od Frecena i Vilneva? :) Mislim
da će Vilnev ove godine osim što će biti šampion (sve ukazuje na to)
"sakupiti" i nešto bodova... ;)
> Sto se Alesija tice, u velikoj si zabludi da covek nema sampionskih
> ambicija. Trebao si kadkad da oslusnes komentatore Eurospot-a koji su
> za njega uvek govorili da je to covek koji uvek vozi 105% svojih
> mogucnosti i mogucnosti bolida.
Lepo je što on ima šampionskih ambicija (i Ukio Katajama je sigurno
kao mali maštao da bude F1 šampion ;) ali šampion se postaje pobedama
a ne postavljanjem najbržih krugova pa izletanjem. Džaba mu što je
borac i vozi sa 105% svojih mogućnosti kada u trenucima kad je
najvažnije izleti, ili ostane bez goriva svojom greškom, spinuje pri
preticanju dva puta u istoj trci, izleti u krivini par krugova pre
kraja i sl. One priče o njegovom baksuzluku treba ostaviti, ako će
da se vadi na "maler" cele karijere onda i nije za vozača. :(
> Pa bilo bi malo smesno reci da je ne juri s obzirom sta vozi. A to da je
> bolji tek treba da dokaze.
Pazi, ne sporim da je Williams bolji bolid od Benetona, ali kažem da
nije ni približno _tolika_ razlika kao što će biti razlika u bodovima
na kraju sezone. Što se tiče dokazivanja Vilneva, lično mislim da će
on ove sezone imati bar 6-7 pobeda ako ne i više.
auto-moto.319tomislavr,
> A znas sta ja cekam... Ja cekam Monte Karlo da vidim kako ce se stariji
> Sumaher ponasati u prvoj krivini koja je prosle sezone meni donela mnogo
> radosti ;>>>>> (J*bem ti vozaca ;)
Pazi, svašta sam čuo u svom životu oko F1, ali još niko nije
dovodio u pitanje Šumaherovu vožnju u Monaku. On je 94, i 95
pobedio, prošle godine znamo šta je bilo ;), ali seti se
kvalifikacija i reakcije Vilijamsovog pita i Hila posle uzimanja
polpozicije sa 0.5 sekundi ispred Hila u bolidu kome otpadaju
"poluosovine" ;), i lome se ogibljenja sama od sebe itd.
auto-moto.320tomislavr,
> Da, posebno '94 kada je Benneton bio "najcistiji" bolid sezone. ;)
> Secas li se sta je rekao kada su utvrdili da u njegovom bolidu postoji
> program za potpuno automatizovan start? Nesto u fazonu "Nisam ga
> koristio, majke mi!" ;)
Mislim da u FIA imaju neke čikice koje proveravaju tehničku
ispravnost bolida, i koji, kada utvrde da neki bolid ima neke
neregularnosti - tim kazne. Pitanje je zašto Beneton i Meklaren
(kome je takođe pronađen TCS program), i ako je to bilo očigledno
da ga koriste, nisu bili isključeni iz šampionata. Ako je to
zaista tako i bilo, kako ti kažeš, baš bih voleo da mi odgovoriš.
auto-moto.321tomislavr,
> Naravno. Alesi i Berger su, barem po meni, dvojica najboljih vozaca u F1
> danas. :)
Kako se meri kvalitet nekog vozača ako ne po učinku na stazi?
Berger vozi već X godina i ima, čini mi se, devet pobeda -
nijedan šampionat, a ne može se reći da nije vozio vrhunske
mašine. Alezi je priča za sebe... Vozač kome nestane goriva u
sred trke jer nije poslušao naredbu o ulasku u boks, koji spinuje
par puta pri obilaženju _sporijeg_ bolida, nije po mojoj
predstavi ni približno "najbolji vozač u F1". A pazi, ovo su
primeri iz samo zadnje dve trke ;).
auto-moto.322tomislavr,
> Bre, kakav bre Herbert i Šumaher. Alesi je bolji od njih dvojice zajedno.
> Koji bre kompleksi?
C, c, c... Kako reče Flavio a i ja mu verujem ;) žalije mu je
Herberta jer je malo tražio a mnogo pružao. Dve pobede, i 50-tak
poena kao drugi vozač iza Šumahera, i ja imam sve razloge da
verujem da je on za klasu bolji od Alezija.
Odlično se sećem komentara kada je Alezi prešao u Beneton -
"napokon prva violina u jakom timu", "siguran šampion", itd. A
desilo se upravo suprotno - Žan je nastavio po starom a Šumi je
sa Ferarijem uzeo više tri puta više pobeda nego on cele
karijere ;). Elem ako si pratio testove Šumahera sa F412
bolidom, a to je onaj koji su Alezi i Berger vozili 95., mogao
si da vidiš koliko je to Alezi bolji vozeč od Šumahera ;).
Razlike su bile oko sekunde, i zato je on i plaćen 50 mil $.
auto-moto.323tomislavr,
> Hoces da kazes da je Reno jedan tezak krs i da stavis Hart V8 u Williams
> da bi oni i dalje bili najbolji ?!?
Ja hoću da kažem da sam apsolutno siguran, da bi Vilijams bio
šampion 96. i sa Mercedesom, recimo.
auto-moto.324tomislavr,
> Da, ali ne zaboravi da su vozili za Ferrari koji je u najvecoj krizi od
> kada postoji F1. :(
Da i doneli mu pregršt poena i pobeda ;). Oni su možda bili
simpatičan duo, ali Ferariju treba titula, a i formuli jedan
treba titula Ferarija. E zato je angažovan određen vozač koji i
nije toliko simpatičan, ali je doveo Shell, Marlboro, Rorija
Birna i Rosa Brauna oterao razne klovnove kao Nikija Laudu koji
su se samo šepurili na pitvolu i ništa nisu radili, neke koji su
hteli da rade u Engleskoj dok su ostali u Italiji ;) itd. Taj
impuls Alezi i Berger nikad nisu mogli dati Ferariju, i ne samo
oni... Pazi ne kažem da je on to lično uradio, ali je sad Ferari
tim a ne cirkus što je do skora bio.
E zato sam ja u nekoj ranijoj poruci napisao da će stvari vrlo
brzo doći na svoje mesto, ja se nadam posle Imole... :)
auto-moto.325tomislavr,
> Ok, postujem ja svacije heroje, i smatram da svako treba da ima svoje
> misljenje. Nisam zeleo da potcenim sadasnje vozace, ali samo kazem da
> su svi oni losiji od Senne. A to sto ih je 20-ak najboljih na svetu, to
> je normalno. Uvek je u F1 bilo 20-ak najboljih na svetu :)
>
> Ali ipak, ima bisera, to ne mozes poreci ;)
Pazi postoje sponzori i njihovi prohtevi. Honda oće Japanca u
timu, ete im ga Japanac jebo ih on ;) Tata oće da mu sin bude F1
vozač (Diniz) itd. Toga je uvek bilo i biće. Šteta za prave
vozače koji voze po F3000 i raznim drugim takmičenjima dok
Japanci ;) voze jer znaju da prave gume i motore...
auto-moto.326tomislavr,
> Pre je vozač moro da bude (skoro) savršen. Morao je da pazi na deset puta
> više stvar nego jedan Šumaher koji u bolidu ima više elektronike nego F-16.
> On bre samo okreće volan, "drka" onu klackalicu od menjača i stišće dve
> pedale.
Elem, koliko je meni poznato ovi sadašnji bolidi su kartinzi za
ono što je voženo pre neku godinu, ako grešim a ti mi kaži ;).
auto-moto.327tomislavr,
> Senna je znao da vozi po kiši.
>
> Ostali nemaju pojma da voze po kiši.
Khm, sinko, Španija 96, nešto mi je maglovito... dal beše 4
sekunde brži po krugu ili šta... ;)
auto-moto.328tomislavr,
> |-> Ja mislim da bi ipak Sumaher osvojio sampionat (koji je i osvojio) i
> |-> je Senna ostao ziv ... :)
>
> Veco nemoj više da lupaš.
> Molim te.
Uz rizik da se i meni kaže da lupam i ja to mislim. Ako ne da
osvoji onda sigurno da bude "na nož" sa Senom.
auto-moto.329miko,
» Naravno, u primerima su navedene staze gde prakticno i
» nema mesta za obilazenje. Estoril i Hungaroring. :)
U Estorilu ima mesta za preticanje koliko hoces, za Hungaroring
primedba stoji.
Ali, sta to znaci? Da je preticanje nemoguce na stazama na kojima
ima malo mesta za to? Ako je neko mnogo brzi od nekoga, on ce ga
preteci bez obzira na konfiguraciju staze.
Vec sam pomenuo Irvine-ovu fenomenalnu voznju na svojoj prvoj trci
u Suzuki. Ako tamo nema mesta za obilazenje, nema nigde.
Katayama, pre par godina, peti u Interlagos-u. Sa Tyrrell-om! Ako
tamo nema mesta za preticanje, nigde nema.
Panis i Blundell, Sa Ligier-om, pre tri/cetiri godine, drugi i
treci u Hockenheinm-u. Tamo ne samo da je ravno, nego i jacina
motora i njegova izdrzljivost bi trebalo da presude.
Dakle, zakljucak
"kada neko 'udje u ritam' i vozi kao podivljao, nista nije nemoguce" ;)
PS Barrichello-a, Frentzen-a, C.Fittipaldi-ja, Alboreto-a, Martini-ja,
Herbert-a i ostalu kompaniju koja je cinila "cuda" sa svojim
umereno do znatno pateticnim bolidima, necu ni da spominjem.
auto-moto.330miko,
» > Pa jos bi te dve sezone odvezo u Williamsu. Osvojio bi
» > svaku titulu do svog retire-a :).
»
» Pored Hilla ?!? ;>
Da, vidis, on bi tu predstavljao problem ;)
Mozda bi Senna, kasnije, iz ocajanja, postavio uslov Williams-u, u
stilu 'ili on ili ja' ;>>
auto-moto.331miko,
» Pa i Berger i Alesi voze sto godina i zajedno nisu
» osvojili pobeda koliko Hill u jednoj sezoni...
Da, ali Berger i Alesi, prakticno, nikada nisu (do sada) imali
pravu sansu.
Berger je najvecu priliku imao u McLaren-u, kada je ovaj jos uvek
bio najbolji tim, ali tada je Senna bio gazda i tu nije bilo dvojbe.
Dosta cesto nije imao ni srece. Pamtim jednu seriju od cak jedanaest
uzastopnih odustajanja! Ipak, Berger ima svojih, mislim, desetak pobeda.
Alesi je u F1 usao tek 1989 i to na pola sezone. Vozio je za Tyrrell
i na pet/sest trka osvojio oko deset bodova.
Ipak, mislim da je najveci podvig zabelezio sledece sezone kada je
u Phoenix-u vodio pola trke i, na kraju, zavrsio kao drugi.
Uzimajuci u obzir ono sa cim su raspolagali, Alesi i Berger su postigli
strasno velik uspeh u F1.
» > 4) tri titule sampiona (plus 1989)
»
» A Prost ovo nema ?
Da ti nacrtam ;)
Prost ima cetiri titule sampiona, a Senna tri.
U zagradi je "sporna" 1989-a godina kada je titula uzeta Senna-i
i dodeljena Prost-u. Dakle, Senna, fiktivno, ima cetiri titule, a
Prost tri ;)
auto-moto.332miko,
» Pa Sumaher nema toliko konkurentan bolid, zar ne ? :)
Pa, on je sa istim pobedjivao prosle godine ...
» PS. Kao ni Alesi i Berger. :)
... kao i pretprosle i natprosle, kada je i osvajao titule ...
auto-moto.333miko,
» Pa sta ? A sta je sa Schumacherom ? Jel pored njega vozi
» Hill ili debil poput Irvine-a ? Da ne pominjem da Irvine-u
» garant ne daju isti bolid ko Schumacheru.
Da ne bih trosio silne redove, napisacu samo jednu stvar.
Da Irvine nije debil, potvrdjuje cinjenica da vozi u Ferrari-ju!
auto-moto.334miko,
» -=> » Senna je Senna.
» -=> » Njega ne dozvoljavam nisakim da poredujes.
» -=>
» -=> Pored ostalog, bio je i covek, zar ne? Ako je mogao on, moze i neko drugi
»
» Tesko!!!!
Mislim, i ja sam voleo Senna-u, ali praviti od njega Boga je glupo.
» Realno, ali na taj "realni" pogled veliki uticaj ima kako
» "ide" ceo bolid, a McLaren-ov ide slabo zbog sasije.
Pricam ti o pouzdanosti.
Jedan isti motor ovoliko godina da dominira (pritom ne mislim samo na
Williams, vec i na Benetton i Ligier (ranije)), dok njegovi konkurenti,
za to vreme, razvijaju sesnaestak evolucija svojih motora i jos uvek
traze kljuc za pravo resenje, je ipak dokaz o jedinstvenom kvalitetu.
» -=> Sad mi se "javilo" ;), kada bi u Mclaren-u vozili Hakkinen i Irvine,
» -=> prosto bi harali stazom! ;)
»
» Ovo mi nije jasno.
Sta tu ima da ti ne bude jasno? Napisah, kada bi u McLaren-u vozio
Irvine, umesto Coulthard-a, mislim da bih se zabrinuo za Williams-ov
primat medju konstruktorima ;)
auto-moto.335djanjusevic,
>> P.S. Jimmy Vasser rules !
P.S. Jimmy ce se ove godine malo odmarati ( u prevodu moze samo da
sanja o pobedi, a kamoli o tituli.
P.S.2 Michael Andretti osvaja titulu ove godine.
auto-moto.336djanjusevic,
Niko nista ne govori za TyrrellPrise?
auto-moto.337vector,
│ Pazi, ne sporim da je Williams bolji bolid od Benetona, ali kazem da
│ nije ni priblizno _tolika_ razlika kao sto ce biti razlika u bodovima
└─────────
Nije "tolika" razlika ? Kako onda objasniti cinjenicu da su Williams
Renault bolidi (ne vozaci ;) brzi za .500 sekundi (ponekad i sekundu)
na kvalifikacijama od ostalih ? Naravno, za vreme trke vazi isto
pravilo, sekund po krugu ...
auto-moto.338vector,
│ Ostali nemaju pojma da voze po kisi.
└─────────
Hmm ... setimo se svi trke u Barseloni prosle godine. Podsetite me koliko
je ono bilo ... 4-5 sekundi po krugu ... ;>>
auto-moto.339vector,
│ P.S.2 Michael Andretti osvaja titulu ove godine.
└─────────
Andretti vs Zanardi vc Tracy ... Zanardi osvaja. ;)
auto-moto.340vector,
│ U Estorilu ima mesta za preticanje koliko hoces, za Hungaroring
│ primedba stoji.
│
│ Ali, sta to znaci? Da je preticanje nemoguce na stazama na kojima
│ ima malo mesta za to? Ako je neko mnogo brzi od nekoga, on ce ga
│ preteci bez obzira na konfiguraciju staze.
└─────────
Ne ide to tako lako. Dosta je rizicno pokusati obilazenje u Estorilu.
Doduse, majstorima kakav je Schumacher to uspeva ;) (protiv Hilla pre
koju godinu :). Seti se prosle trke u Estorilu. Villeneuve nije mogao
da dobrih 17tak krugova obidje Sumahera (a ovaj Alezija koji se odaljavao)
sve dok se u borbu ;) nije umesao Lavaggi. Cim ga je obisao, neverovatnom
brzinom se odvojio od njih dvojice da bi na kraju pobedio sa vise od
15 sekundi razlike nad drugoplasiranim Hillom. Ako je bio toliko brzi,
zasto nije mogao da ga obidje, sve dok se nije pojavio Lavaggi ?
│ Vec sam pomenuo Irvine-ovu fenomenalnu voznju na svojoj prvoj trci
│ u Suzuki. Ako tamo nema mesta za obilazenje, nema nigde.
│
│ Katayama, pre par godina, peti u Interlagos-u. Sa Tyrrell-om! Ako
│ tamo nema mesta za preticanje, nigde nema.
└─────────
Poredis Interlagos i Estoril, 2 potpuno razlicita tipa staze.
auto-moto.341swix,
|-> najvažnije izleti, ili ostane bez goriva svojom greškom, spinuje pri
Ovo nije tačno!
auto-moto.342swix,
|-> Ja hoću da kažem da sam apsolutno siguran, da bi Vilijams bio
|-> šampion 96. i sa Mercedesom, recimo.
Tek sa Mercedesom im niklo ništa nebi mogo. ;)
auto-moto.343swix,
|-> Elem, koliko je meni poznato ovi sadašnji bolidi su kartinzi za
|-> ono što je voženo pre neku godinu, ako grešim a ti mi kaži ;).
U kom smislu kartinzi?
auto-moto.344swix,
|->> Senna je znao da vozi po kiši.
|->>
|->> Ostali nemaju pojma da voze po kiši.
|->
|-> Khm, sinko, Španija 96, nešto mi je maglovito... dal beše 4
|-> sekunde brži po krugu ili šta... ;)
Za Sennu je i ON vezara.
btw. i u odnosu na koga je on to bio brži 4 sekunde po krugu ? ;)
btw. a i uzgred budi rečeno pre će biti 1-2 sekunde nego 4.
auto-moto.345swix,
|-> Uz rizik da se i meni kaže da lupam i ja to mislim. Ako ne da
|-> osvoji onda sigurno da bude "na nož" sa Senom.
Minimum 15-20 pena. Ako ti to nazivaš na nož onda može.
On je bre te sezone bio na nož (ne treba valjda da vas podcećam) sa Hillom
koji je za Sennu ....... (nesmem bre ni da kažem ;)
auto-moto.346stukelj,
> Ako mislis da Coulthard nema veze s vezom zbog onog otpadanja tocka
> u Argentini, kriv je za svoje odustajanje isto koliko i Sumaher. A ti
> proceni koliko je to.
A sta je bilo prosle godine u Argentini kada ga je Verstapen obisao ?
I da je Coulthard imao i neki problem za to nema opravdanja... ;)
> A Beneton nema najbolji tim, cakstavise, ima najbaxuzniji tim koji mozes
> pozeleti.
To donekle i jeste tacno, ali ipak su strava vozaci :)
auto-moto.347stukelj,
> Rekao bih da je Brazilski u pitanju, al' ajde ;)
Pa valjda se u Brazilu govori portugalski.
auto-moto.348stukelj,
> poena kao drugi vozac iza Sumahera, i ja imam sve razloge da
> verujem da je on za klasu bolji od Alezija.
Tesko da je jedan Herbert bolji od Alesija...
auto-moto.349stukelj,
> E zato sam ja u nekoj ranijoj poruci napisao da ce stvari vrlo
> brzo doci na svoje mesto, ja se nadam posle Imole... :)
Stvari su vec sada na svom mestu... Sumaher redovno zaostaje iza
Vilneva na kval. po 2-3 sekunde... ;)
auto-moto.350stukelj,
> Da, ali Berger i Alesi, prakticno, nikada nisu (do sada) imali
> pravu sansu.
Pa oni su dosli u Benetton koji je tada bio sampionski tim. Valjda je
to bila mogucnost da se uradi nesto, barem su mogli da osvoje koju pobedu.
Istina, za dlaku im je izmakla pobeda u Hockenheimu... :)
> Dosta cesto nije imao ni srece. Pamtim jednu seriju od cak jedanaest
Hockenheim 96...
auto-moto.351stukelj,
> Da Irvine nije debil, potvrdjuje cinjenica da vozi u Ferrari-ju!
To sto vozi u Ferrariju,to nista ne dokazuje. Gde su njegovi poeni ???
Nije ama bas nista uradio prosle godine, sem one sjajne serije od ko zna
koliko nezavrsenih trka...
auto-moto.352stukelj,
> P.S. Jimmy ce se ove godine malo odmarati ( u prevodu moze samo da
> sanja o pobedi, a kamoli o tituli.
> P.S.2 Michael Andretti osvaja titulu ove godine.
Potcenjujes najboljeg vozaca u IndyCaru... Jednostavno covek nije imao
srece u ovoj sezoni, mada sve ce to brzo da se promeni... A sto se tice
Andrettija pre bih rekao da Zanardi i Tracy imaju vece sanse za titulu,
mada i Gugelmin za sada terorise :))
auto-moto.353stukelj,
> Nije "tolika" razlika ? Kako onda objasniti cinjenicu da su Williams
> Renault bolidi (ne vozaci ;) brzi za .500 sekundi (ponekad i sekundu)
Nisu to bolidi... to je Villeneuve :)
auto-moto.354stukelj,
> Andretti vs Zanardi vc Tracy ... Zanardi osvaja. ;)
Zaboravio si da u IndyCaru voze Gugelmin i Vasser... ;)
auto-moto.355junior,
> Kada neko uradi nesto slicno, nikako ne moze biti pozitivan lik.
To se zove: "da postavimo stvari na svoje mesto, pa da pričamo".
Šumaher je realno (mnogo) bolji vozač od Irvajna. Ako je to istina,
i ako tako smatraju i u Ferariju, ne znam zašto to ne bi i napisali
u ugovoru.
auto-moto.356junior,
> Razlike su bile oko sekunde, i zato je on i plaćen 50 mil $.
Zar nije 36 miliona DEM?
auto-moto.357space.ace,
>> Naravno da je bitna sasija. Da nije bitna, ona bi se pravila od naj
>> jeftinijeg materijala i ne bi bila aerodinamicna uopste.
Apropo skorašnje rasprave o tome da li je Irvajn mogao da prestigne
Vilneva: iako je imao veću zalihu konja iza leđa, nije mogao da
prestigne Žaka jer mu je šasija neuporedivo lošija nego Williams-ova.
Čim je skupio snagu da izleti pored Vilneva vozeći u zavetrini, šasija
je došla u kontakt sa jakim otporom vazduha i bukvalno stopirala svaki
takav pokušaj. To je Irvajn znao i zato nije pokušavao ništa, jer ne
bi uspeo ni da pređe zadnji Vilnevov točak. Išao je iza njega na braniku,
i potajno se nadao u Žakovu grešku. No, bkb, trka se završila onako kako
se završila. Irvajnu nije bila dovoljna jačina motora.
>> A za vozaca... Ako i najbolji vozac ima los motor, ne moze on nista
>> da uradi...
Primer : Hill ;).
auto-moto.358nigy,
>> Ipak mislim da je Mansell bio za klasu bolji vozac.
>
> Za klasu bolji vozac ? Ccc. Tu nesto ne ide. :)
Mislis? Deder onda objasni.
Zanardi, kai i Mansell je "zapoceo" svoju karijeru u F1 pa otisao u Indy.
Mene koliko secanje sluzi on je u F1 usao '91 u Jordan, zatim '92 u Minardi,
'93-'94 u Lotus. Za te CETIRI godine uzeo je samo JEDAN! poen
('93 jedno 6. mesto), a ostali plasmani po godinama:
'91: 9. 9.
'92:
'93: 6. 8. 14. 7. 11.
'94: 9. 15. 13. 16. 13.
Za Mansell-a bi ovde bio poduzi spisak.
Sta je ko uradio kada su presli u Indy? Britanski lav je u svojoj prvoj trci
osvojio pool i pobedu (a kasnije je uzeo i titulu).
Jos uvek tvrdis ono odozgo? ;) Ako je odgovor da, onda dokazi. :)
auto-moto.359nigy,
> Mercedes je UVEK najlepsi i to se zna. To ti dode kao neki axiom. :)
To je vec stvar licnog ukusa. :)
Meni je najlepsi bolid ikada napravljen Ferrari 412T1V12 (naravno onaj
sa pocetka sezone '94 sa delta usisnicima za vazduh). :)
auto-moto.360nigy,
> Da, to zaista baca senku na njegove uspehe (doduse ja ga ne volim iz
> drugih razloga ;) ali ta cinjenica ne umanjuje mnogo cinjenicu da je i
> u trkama cesto dominirao nad Vilijamsovim bolidima sto sada Aleziju i
> Bergeru ne polazi za rukom. Nije valjda da su Benetonovi bolidi nakon
> odlaska Sumahera i Herberta odjednom propali pa i pored cinjenice da
> za tim voze "bolji vozaci nego u Vilijamsu" nista konkretno ne uspevaju
> da urade?
"ne umanjuje mnogo cinjenicu"??? Covece zar prljav bolid moze da se meri
sa cistim??? Da ne pominjemo tu i manipulacije sa gorivom, i ko zna cime
jos. Daj budi malo realan.
A Alesi i Berger ne zele da prljaju ruke kao neki. A sam Benetton NIKADA
nije imao vrhunski bolid. Uvek je kaskao za Williams-om. Ja rekao nisam da
su vozaci u Williamsu losiji od Benetton-ovih. Nije da to ne mislim, ali
je to tesko dokazati.
> Da dokazem? Pa oni treba da dokazu da su dostojni sampiona, a ne ja
> da nisu. Ako ti nije dovoljan dokaz da je Herbert u jednoj sezoni u
> istom onom Benetonu sakupio (duplo ;) vise pobeda nego Alezi za celu
> karijeru onda ne znam sta je... :)
Pricamo o ONOM Benettonu? ;)
A i gde je taj Herbert sada?
> S tim sto se ponasa neozbiljno sa tim mestom u timu mnogo igra, tako
> da me ne bi cudilo da ostane bez statusa prvog vozaca ako ne i bez
> mesta u timu :(
Takva je licnost. :(
> Pa onda ne vidim po cemu je bolji vozac od Frecena i Vilneva? :) Mislim
> da ce Vilnev ove godine osim sto ce biti sampion (sve ukazuje na to)
> "sakupiti" i nesto bodova... ;)
Ne bude li sakupio "nesto" bodova i pokupio par "kanti" zajedno sa titulom,
ponudio bih mu Brankov most da se malko okupa. ;)
On vozi toliko bolji bolid da bi se u "biciklistickom" zargonu moglo reci
da on tera specijalku dok se ostali pate sa Mountain bike-ovima.
> Lepo je sto on ima sampionskih ambicija (i Ukio Katajama je sigurno
> kao mali mastao da bude F1 sampion ;)
Duhovito, nema sta. ;)
> ali sampion se postaje pobedama
> a ne postavljanjem najbrzih krugova pa izletanjem. Dzaba mu sto je
> borac i vozi sa 105% svojih mogucnosti kada u trenucima kad je
> najvaznije izleti, ili ostane bez goriva svojom greskom, spinuje pri
> preticanju dva puta u istoj trci, izleti u krivini par krugova pre
> kraja i sl. One price o njegovom baksuzluku treba ostaviti, ako ce
> da se vadi na "maler" cele karijere onda i nije za vozaca. :(
Pomenuh li ja ovde baxuzluk? Naravno da ne. Lepo sam rekao da je on covek
koji ne zna kada treba malo "dici nogu s gasa" i da (skoro) svi njegovi
pehovi proizilaze u tome. Njegove sanse izgaraju sa njegovom zeljom za
pobedom. :(((
To ne mozes proglasiti za nedostatak zelje, a protiv toga sam se ja
pobunio.
> Pazi, ne sporim da je Williams bolji bolid od Benetona, ali kazem da
> nije ni priblizno _tolika_ razlika kao sto ce biti razlika u bodovima
> na kraju sezone. Sto se tice dokazivanja Vilneva, licno mislim da ce
> on ove sezone imati bar 6-7 pobeda ako ne i vise.
Sekunda po krugu "nije ni priblizno _tolika_ razlika"???
A sto se "dokazivanja" istog tice, to i ne bih nazvao nekim dokazivanjem.
Njemu je samo bitno da ne zataje u boxu i da bolid izdrzi. Za ostalo i
ne treba da brine preterano. Pogledaj tokom ove sezone (tako je bilo i
prosle a i ove) kada ga neko prati ili kada on ide iza nekoga, koliko sire
u krivinama voze ostali. Williams-ovi momci uopste ne moraju da voze na
samoj granici da bi bili brzi od ostalih!!!
auto-moto.361nigy,
>> Da, posebno '94 kada je Benneton bio "najcistiji" bolid sezone. ;)
>> Secas li se sta je rekao kada su utvrdili da u njegovom bolidu postoji
>> program za potpuno automatizovan start? Nesto u fazonu "Nisam ga
>> koristio, majke mi!" ;)
>
>Mislim da u FIA imaju neke cikice koje proveravaju tehnicku
>ispravnost bolida, i koji, kada utvrde da neki bolid ima neke
>neregularnosti - tim kazne. Pitanje je zasto Beneton i Meklaren
>(kome je takode pronaden TCS program), i ako je to bilo ocigledno
>da ga koriste, nisu bili iskljuceni iz sampionata. Ako je to
>zaista tako i bilo, kako ti kazes, bas bih voleo da mi odgovoris.
Cikice... cikice su cudo! ;)
To ni ti ni ja necemo saznati verovatno nikada. ;(
Ali uzmi cinjenicu da su ga posle dikvalifikovali na tri (cinimi se)
trke i to zbog "suvise stanjene daske"??? Naravno da nije samo to u
pitanju, ali im je bilo dosta prljavstine na tom bolidu pa su resili
da ih napokon sankcionisu za sve. :)
auto-moto.362nigy,
>> Da, ali ne zaboravi da su vozili za Ferrari koji je u najvecoj krizi od
>> kada postoji F1. :(
>
>Da i doneli mu pregrst poena i pobeda ;).
Procitaj jos jednom ono gore. Ta kriza se odnosila na njihove rezultate.
>Oni su mozda bili
>simpatican duo, ali Ferariju treba titula, a i formuli jedan
>treba titula Ferarija. E zato je angazovan odreden vozac koji i
>nije toliko simpatican, ali je doveo Shell, Marlboro, Rorija
>Birna i Rosa Brauna oterao razne klovnove kao Nikija Laudu koji
>su se samo sepurili na pitvolu i nista nisu radili, neke koji su
>hteli da rade u Engleskoj dok su ostali u Italiji ;) itd. Taj
>impuls Alezi i Berger nikad nisu mogli dati Ferariju, i ne samo
>oni... Pazi ne kazem da je on to licno uradio, ali je sad Ferari
>tim a ne cirkus sto je do skora bio.
Hoces reci da je nemac sve to uradio? E pa silno gresis. To je
sve delo Anjelija koji je resio da ili ugasi Ferrari u F1 ili da
uzme titulu. Strasno mi je zao sto Senna nije prihvatio ponudu
Ferrari-ja, i tako sebi spasao zivot, i za dve godine sigurno doneo
toliko zeljenu titulu. :~(
To sto sada Ferrari izgleda kao reklamni pano sigurno nije nikakav plus
navijacima ovog tima. Ni izbacivanje Agip-a. Sve je to Italijanska
javnost sa velikim prezirom prihvatila samo zarad jednog cilja: osvajanje
titule. A gde je ista???
Sto se cirkusa tice, meni ovo sad lici na cirkus. Nema vise onog dostojanstva
ni jedinstvenosti. Sada se polako uklapaju u sablon: PARE, PARE, PARE! ;(
auto-moto.363nigy,
>To se zove: "da postavimo stvari na svoje mesto, pa da pricamo".
>
>Sumaher je realno (mnogo) bolji vozac od Irvajna. Ako je to istina,
>i ako tako smatraju i u Ferariju, ne znam zasto to ne bi i napisali
>u ugovoru.
Ocito nisi pazljivo procitao sta sam rekao. Rec je bilo ne o statusu
prvog vozaca, vec o tome da se pri potpisivanju ugovora stavi klauzula
da timski kolega ne moze biti taj i taj (npr. za Prosta Mansell ili Senna).
Dakle vise se skoncentrisi pri citanju. :)
auto-moto.364vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Suzuka JPN 250cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Daijiro Kato JPN Honda 41:42.226
2. Tohru Ukawa JPN Honda 0.208
3. Tetsuya Harada JPN Aprilia 0.318
4. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN TS Honda 1.008
5. Ralf Waldmann GER Honda 5.564
6. Yukio Kagayama JPN Suzuki 21.038
7. Max Biaggi ITA Honda 27.881
8. Haruchika Aoki JPN Honda 27.921
9. Noriyasu Numata JPN Suzuki 28.318
10. Naoki Matsudo JPN Yamaha 30.174
11. Loris Capirossi ITA Aprilia 37.714
12. Sebastian Porto ARG Aprilia 41.832
13. Naoto Ogura JPN Yamaha 49.898
14. Jamie Robinson GBR Suzuki 50.584
15. Choujun Kameya JPN Suzuki 50.714
16. Jeremy McWilliams GBR Honda 1:07.061
17. Luis D'Antin SPA Yamaha 1:12.344
18. Olivier Petrucciani SUI Aprilia 1:12.968
19. Luca Boscoscuro ITA Honda 1:13.669
20. Jose Luis Cardoso SPA Yamaha 1:14.013
21. Franco Battaini ITA Yamaha 1:32.370
22. Cristiano Migliorati ITA Honda 1 lap
Tabela posle 2 trke 250cc
────────────────────────────
1. Tetsuya Harada 36
2. Max Biaggi 34
3. Tohru Ukawa 30
4. Daijiro Kato 25
5. Ralf Waldmann 24
6. Haruchika Aoki 19
7. Olivier Jacque 16
8. Takeshi Tsujimura 13
9. Yukio Kagayama 10
10. Emilio Alzamora 9
auto-moto.365vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Suzuka JPN 500cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 45:11.995
2. Alex Criville SPA Honda 0.431
3. Tadayuki Okada JPN Honda 6.047
4. Takuma Aoki JPN Honda 23.619
5. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Honda 23.895
6. Carlos Checa SPA Honda 24.402
7. Norifumi Abe JPN Yamaha 24.715
8. Alberto Puig SPA Honda 43.913
9. Norihiko Fujiwara JPN Yamaha 44.003
10. Alex Barros BRA Honda 58.871
11. Luca Cadalora ITA Yamaha 59.605
12. Regis Laconi FRA Honda 59.879
13. Peter Gooddard AUS Suzuki 1:00.634
14. Jean Michel Bayle FRA ModenasKR3 1:17.974
15. Jurgen V.D.Goorbergh NED Honda 1:35.154
16. Kirk McCarthy AUS ROCYamaha 1:38.308
17. Frederic Protat FRA ROCYamaha 1 lap
Sledeca trka je u nedelju, 4. maja, u 11:00 (CET). U pitanju je Jerez.
auto-moto.366miko,
» Ja hocu da kazem da sam apsolutno siguran, da bi Vilijams
» bio sampion 96. i sa Mercedesom, recimo.
Pa, eto, imaces prilike da se uveris da gresis kada Renault napusti F1.
auto-moto.367miko,
» Pre je vozac moro da bude (skoro) savrsen. Morao je da
» pazi na deset puta vise stvar nego jedan Sumaher koji u
» bolidu ima vise elektronike nego F-16. On bre samo okrece
» volan, "drka" onu klackalicu od menjaca i stisce dve
» pedale.
Pa, mnostvo predjasnje elektronike je sada zabranjeno, a
"klackalica od menjaca" je ustvari dugme ;)
auto-moto.368miko,
» Hmmm... Pa nije bas tako... Nije se Senna dokazao sa
» Williamsom, vec
... protiv Williams-a! Ocigledno nisi dobro procitao moje
prethodne poruke.
» Hmmmm, ako Ferari, Beneton i Meklaren, pa i Prost
» svrstavas u konkurentne bolide, svaka cast. Gore pobrojani
» su konkurentni, ali iskljucivo medju sobom. Nikako
» kandidati za 1. mesto. :(((((((((((((
A ja sam bas gorepobrojane pobrojao na osnovu pobeda koje su
zabelezili, kako ove, tako i prosle godine ;)
auto-moto.369swix,
|-> » Ja hocu da kazem da sam apsolutno siguran, da bi Vilijams
|-> » bio sampion 96. i sa Mercedesom, recimo.
|->
|-> Pa, eto, imaces prilike da se uveris da gresis kada Renault napusti F1.
Kakve su ovo reči?
Pojasni ti to malo.
auto-moto.370swix,
|-> » Pre je vozac moro da bude (skoro) savrsen. Morao je da
|-> » pazi na deset puta vise stvar nego jedan Sumaher koji u
|-> » bolidu ima vise elektronike nego F-16. On bre samo okrece
|-> » volan, "drka" onu klackalicu od menjaca i stisce dve
|-> » pedale.
|->
|-> Pa, mnostvo predjasnje elektronike je sada zabranjeno, a
|-> "klackalica od menjaca" je ustvari dugme ;)
Oćeš da kažeš da je sada isto elektronike kao recimo 80-tih kada jsu harali
Senna, Prost itd.?
Što se klackalice tiče pre je ona bila INPUT :) uređej menjača, a pošto sam
pre ove poruke pisao o prošlim sezonama tako mi je i to ostalo u glavi.
auto-moto.371swix,
|->>> A za vozaca... Ako i najbolji vozac ima los motor, ne moze on nista
|->>> da uradi...
|->
|-> Primer : Hill ;).
Ma, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj !!! :)
auto-moto.372swix,
|-> Motorcycling World Championship, Suzuka JPN 500cc
|-> ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
|-> 1. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 45:11.995
|-> 2. Alex Criville SPA Honda 0.431
|-> 3. Tadayuki Okada JPN Honda 6.047
|-> 4. Takuma Aoki JPN Honda 23.619
|-> 5. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Honda 23.895
|-> 6. Carlos Checa SPA Honda 24.402
^^^^^
Šta još reći ;)
auto-moto.373darth.vader,
>> Eh, da je to bilo u prvoj krivini ...
:)
Pa covek zaboravio da skrene. Koja god da je krivina bila,
to ne bi smelo da se dogodi coveku koji je 2 puta uzastopno
dobijao sampionat.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.374darth.vader,
>> Pazi, svasta sam cuo u svom zivotu oko F1, ali jos niko nije
>> dovodio u pitanje Sumaherovu voznju u Monaku. On je 94, i 95
>> pobedio, prosle godine znamo sta je bilo ;), ali seti se
Evo ja sam je doveo u pitanje. I on mi je tada bio neki 'champ'...
Ubi Boze...
>> kvalifikacija i reakcije Vilijamsovog pita i Hila posle uzimanja
>> polpozicije sa 0.5 sekundi ispred Hila u bolidu kome otpadaju
>> "poluosovine" ;), i lome se ogibljenja sama od sebe itd.
Ma ono je bila najveca bruka za Ferari od kako postoji... Steta, ali
takva je bila situacija... I to od te trke u kojoj je ispala poluosovina,
u naredne 3 trke Sumaher nije mogao da sastavi 5 krugova na stazi...
(Zaboravio da skrene i zakucao se u zid, Parkirao u krugu za zagrevanje,
ispao u 3. krugu - motor)...
Ok, mozda ove zadnje 2 nisu njegovom krivicom, nego cista Ferarijeva bruka,
ali ono u Monte Karlu... Ja ne znam kako da ga nazovem...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.375darth.vader,
>> Ja mislim na onaj fascinanti ulaz u Pit u ...... znamo svi mi nasta ja
>> mislim. :)
:)))))))))))))))))))))))
Aaaa da da da... Vidis, na to sam zaboravio. Ali, koliko se secam, on
tu nije zaboravio da skrene, kao Sumi na stazi u Monaku, nego se proklizo
na onu mrlju od ulja... Cista nesreca i baxuzluk...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.376darth.vader,
>> Mislim, i ja sam voleo Senna-u, ali praviti od njega Boga je glupo.
Pa nema sta da se pravi od njega, on je bio zakon za F1, i ja nisam
video ni jednog vozaca na stazi do sada koji mu je dorastao.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.377darth.vader,
>> Razlike su bile oko sekunde, i zato je on i placen 50 mil $.
Mora se priznati da je skupo prodao svoju titulu. :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.378darth.vader,
>> Pre se nije znalo do poslednje krivine ko ce biti pobednik, a o tome ko ce
>> biti sampion niko nije smeo ni da razmislja.
Sasvim tacno. Sada postoji Williams koji je prvi (dobro, postojao je i onda
ali nije bio kao ovaj sada ;) i ostaje borba za 2. mesto ;)
Kad je prvo mesto ovako monotono, mogli bi da odobre koriscenje turbo
motora u F1... Bilo bi veselo ;))))
>> Prevelike su sad pare u Formuli da bi se vreme Senne, Piquet-a, Prost-a i
>> ajde ;) Mansella ponovilo.
Pa normalno... A i tim ubica suvereno vlada stazom.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.379darth.vader,
>> Pazi postoje sponzori i njihovi prohtevi. Honda oce Japanca u
Ma znam ja... F1 vise nije ono sto je nekad bila... Nekad je bila
najveci cirkus na 4 tocka, sada je samo mesto gde se obrce najveca
lova na kugli Zemaljskoj ;)
>> timu, ete im ga Japanac jebo ih on ;) Tata oce da mu sin bude F1
>> vozac (Diniz) itd. Toga je uvek bilo i bice. Steta za prave
>> vozace koji voze po F3000 i raznim drugim takmicenjima dok
>> Japanci ;) voze jer znaju da prave gume i motore...
Veze i vezice ;) Brodski lanci bolje receno ;)
Ali to je neizbezno nazalost. :(
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.380darth.vader,
>> Mozda bi Senna, kasnije, iz ocajanja, postavio uslov Williams-u, u
^^^^^^^^^^^
>> stilu 'ili on ili ja' ;>>
Da, vrlo duxovito. Smatram da Frenk treba na veshala...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.381darth.vader,
>> Zato sto je tu uvek Sena pobedjivao... Kisa je kisa, tu uvek neko ima
>> prednost tj. neko bolje vozi po kisi, a neko nema blage na kisi :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A to ga cini boljim vozacem ?
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.382darth.vader,
>> Ja mislim da bi ipak Sumaher osvojio sampionat (koji je i osvojio) i da
>> je Senna ostao ziv ... :)
Ok, svako ima pravo na svoje misljenje ;)
Mada mnogi ne dele tvoje misljenje... :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.383darth.vader,
Subj: Portugalski jezik
Ajde lincujte me sto ne znam geografiju...
auto-moto.384darth.vader,
>> Pa sta ? A sta je sa Schumacherom ? Jel pored njega vozi Hill ili debil
>> poput Irvine-a ? Da ne pominjem da Irvine-u garant ne daju isti bolid
Axa, sad ispade Irvine debil a Hill nije... Daj bre, nemoj da si smesan...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.385darth.vader,
>> 15 sekundi razlike nad drugoplasiranim Hillom. Ako je bio toliko brzi,
>> zasto nije mogao da ga obidje, sve dok se nije pojavio Lavaggi ?
Ovo govori da je Lavaggi ruleZ ;)
auto-moto.386darth.vader,
>> > A Beneton nema najbolji tim, cakstavise, ima najbaxuzniji tim koji mozes
>> > pozeleti.
>> To donekle i jeste tacno, ali ipak su strava vozaci :)
Eeeeee, da je bar samo donekle... Secamo se Bergera prosle sezone kada je
ispred ja mislim Hill-a vozio, i 3 (tri) kruga pred kraj mu pukne motor...
Ono je bilo najbolje zaprasivanje bolida iza sebe koje sam ja video ;))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.387darth.vader,
>> > Razlike su bile oko sekunde, i zato je on i placen 50 mil $.
>> Zar nije 36 miliona DEM?
Ne, koliko ja znam, bilo je 48 miliona USD. (US Dollars ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.388darth.vader,
>> Pa, eto, imaces prilike da se uveris da gresis kada Renault napusti F1.
Ja licno jedva cekam... :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.389darth.vader,
>> ... protiv Williams-a! Ocigledno nisi dobro procitao moje
>> prethodne poruke.
Vrlo moguce :)))
Ako si na ovo mislio, onda se u potpunosti slazem :)
>> » Hmmmm, ako Ferari, Beneton i Meklaren, pa i Prost
>> A ja sam bas gorepobrojane pobrojao na osnovu pobeda koje su
>> zabelezili, kako ove, tako i prosle godine ;)
:))))))))
Mozda da se svima zajedno broje bodovi ;)))
Eeee, pa mogli bi oni da naprave koaliciju.... ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.390darth.vader,
>> Apropo skorasnje rasprave o tome da li je Irvajn mogao da prestigne
>> Vilneva: iako je imao vecu zalihu konja iza leda, nije mogao da
>> prestigne Zaka jer mu je sasija neuporedivo losija nego Williams-ova.
Pa tako sam i ja mislio :)
Ja sam jos pre nego sto sam dosao na Sezam pricao kako je
sasija mnogo vaznija od motora. Ali naravno, nije da bi mogao
samo sa sasijom da vozi ;))))
BTW, sta mislite o Tirelovim spodobama od bolida ? :)
>> Primer : Hill ;).
:))))))))))))))
Toliko o tome ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.391ivanl,
Da> BTW, sta mislite o Tirelovim spodobama od bolida ? :)
To je namešteno da plaši druge vozače po stazi ;)
auto-moto.392djanjusevic,
>> |-> Pa, eto, imaces prilike da se uveris da gresis kada Renault napusti
>> F1.
>>
>> Kakve su ovo reci?
>> Pojasni ti to malo.
Renault ce i dalje biti prisutan, ali pod drugim imenom.
auto-moto.393swix,
|-> Kad je prvo mesto ovako monotono, mogli bi da odobre koriscenje turbo
|-> motora u F1... Bilo bi veselo ;))))
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilo bi veselo!! :)
...mada nebih to podrzao, kada bi mene neko nesto pitao ;), vec bi pre recimo
bio da se vrne manuelni menjac. ;)
auto-moto.394swix,
|-> :)))))))))))))))))))))))
|-> Aaaa da da da... Vidis, na to sam zaboravio. Ali, koliko se secam, on
|-> tu nije zaboravio da skrene, kao Sumi na stazi u Monaku, nego se proklizo
|-> na onu mrlju od ulja... Cista nesreca i baxuzluk...
Ma daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj ;)
Kakvi bre nesreca.
Ispao je glup, to je.
:)
auto-moto.395swix,
|-> Subj: Portugalski jezik
|->
|-> Ajde lincujte me sto ne znam geografiju...
Samo ti reci ako ti vise ne zivi. Imam neke interesantne experimente na
pameti (naravno na zivim ljudima) , pa ako ... ne moramo bas da te lincujemo ;)
Salu na stranu, ne lupaj ako nisi siguran ;)
auto-moto.396swix,
|->>> |-> Pa, eto, imaces prilike da se uveris da gresis kada Renault napusti
|->>> F1.
|->>>
|->>> Kakve su ovo reci?
|->>> Pojasni ti to malo.
|->
|-> Renault ce i dalje biti prisutan, ali pod drugim imenom.
To bre znam nego ovo sa Mercedesom.
Neko je napisao da bi Williams bio bolji sa mercedesom, A onda neko napisao
pa videces kad Renault ode
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mislim da neka prica ne kruzi (u koju odmah da kazem da ne verujem) o
Mercedesu van McLaren-a.
p.s. molim nemojte vise da saljete ovako konfuzne poruke ;)
auto-moto.397darth.vader,
>> Renault ce i dalje biti prisutan, ali pod drugim imenom.
A bre ?
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.398darth.vader,
>> Da> BTW, sta mislite o Tirelovim spodobama od bolida ? :)
>> To je namesteno da plasi druge vozace po stazi ;)
:))))))))))
Eeeee, da bar plasi samo druge vozace... ;)
Poplasio i svu publiku ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.399miko,
» Nisu to bolidi... to je Villeneuve :)
^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
Ja bih izmedju stavio znak jednakosti ;))
auto-moto.400miko,
» |-> Pa, eto, imaces prilike da se uveris da gresis kada Renault napusti F1.
»
» Kakve su ovo reci?
» Pojasni ti to malo.
Jel' ti to mene zezas, or what? ;)
auto-moto.401miko,
» Oces da kazes da je sada isto elektronike kao recimo
» 80-tih kada jsu harali Senna, Prost itd.?
Nije potpuno isto jer je tehnika od tog vremena dosta
usavrsena, ali uslovno bi se moglo i tako reci ...
auto-moto.402miko,
» Kad je prvo mesto ovako monotono, mogli bi da odobre
» koriscenje turbo motora u F1... Bilo bi veselo ;))))
Jedno je sigurno, bilo bi mrtvih ...
auto-moto.403miko,
» koju godinu :). Seti se prosle trke u Estorilu. Villeneuve
» nije mogao da dobrih 17tak krugova obidje Sumahera (a ovaj
» Alezija koji se odaljavao) sve dok se u borbu ;) nije
» umesao Lavaggi. Cim ga je obisao, neverovatnom brzinom se
» odvojio od njih dvojice da bi na kraju pobedio sa vise od
» 15 sekundi razlike nad drugoplasiranim Hillom. Ako je bio
» toliko brzi, zasto nije mogao da ga obidje, sve dok se
» nije pojavio Lavaggi ?
Iz istog razloga iz kog Irvine nije mogao da prestigne Villeneuve-a
na poslednjoj trci, a ocigledno je bio brzi ...
Dakle, naveo si samo jos jedan primer za moju tezu kako nije dovoljno
imati bolji bolid ili motor (ili oboje) da bi prestigao nekoga ...
» Poredis Interlagos i Estoril, 2 potpuno razlicita tipa
» staze.
Upravo tako, ti si napisao da u Estorilu tesko moze da se obilazi, ja
sam ti onda kao primer naveo Interlagos, stazu na kojoj se to izvodi
mnogo lakse.
auto-moto.404miko,
» Pa oni su dosli u Benetton koji je tada bio sampionski
» tim. Valjda je to bila mogucnost da se uradi nesto, barem
» su mogli da osvoje koju pobedu. Istina, za dlaku im je
» izmakla pobeda u Hockenheimu... :)
Bitno je napomenuti da, i ako su dosli u sampionski tim, nemaju
ni priblizno uslove koje je Schumacher imao kada je osvajao
titule. Tada je ceo tim bio podredjen samo njemu i iskljucivo
njemu, dok za drugog vozaca nisu marili k'o ni za lanjski sneg.
Sada, uslov da bi i jedan i drugi pruzili svoj maksimum je da
imaju potpuno ravnopravne pozicije u timu, a to ostavlja vrlo
malo prostora za manipulacije koje su bile izvodjene dok je
Schumacher bio u timu.
auto-moto.405miko,
» To sto vozi u Ferrariju,to nista ne dokazuje. Gde su
» njegovi poeni ???
Dokazuje, i to mnogo. Ferrari uvek bira samo najbolje i trudi se da
u timu budu ljudi koju su sposobni za adekvatne domete. Irvine-a sigurno
nisu uzeli na lepe oci, a ta prica o poenima ... u timu koji prolazi
kroz transformaciju i u kome prvi vozac, inace bivsi svetski sampion,
koji ima sve privilegije, ne zavrsi na vise od pola trka u sezoni, ne bi
trebalo od drugog vozaca ocekivati nista bolje, tim pre sto je njegov
bolid za oko 30% manje spremniji od Schumacher-ovog.
auto-moto.406miko,
» │ Ostali nemaju pojma da voze po kisi.
» └─────────
»
» Hmm ... setimo se svi trke u Barseloni prosle godine.
» Podsetite me koliko je ono bilo ... 4-5 sekundi po krugu
» ... ;>>
Ma, moze ko god hoce da prica sta god hoce, ali kada je kisa u
pitanju, tu ne bi smelo da bude dvojbe.
Dakle, Senna je bio vanzemaljac, a u njegovom odsustvu Alesi
suvereno vlada i tu je kraj. ;)
auto-moto.407miko,
» >> » Hmmmm, ako Ferari, Beneton i Meklaren, pa i Prost
»
» >> A ja sam bas gorepobrojane pobrojao na osnovu pobeda
» >> koje su zabelezili, kako ove, tako i prosle godine ;)
»
» :))))))))
» Mozda da se svima zajedno broje bodovi ;)))
» Eeee, pa mogli bi oni da naprave koaliciju.... ;)))
Panis, Coulthard, Schumacher ... cinjenice, cinjenice ;))
auto-moto.409space.ace,
>> Ja mislim na onaj fascinanti ulaz u Pit u ...... znamo svi mi našta ja
>> mislim. :)
Fascinantni ulazak u pit u Adelaidi 1995.godine, dok je vozio za Williams?
To, I say, nije bila njegova greška, možda malo ;), jer je tu bilo mnogo
ulja i bilo je mnogo klizavo. Ne znajući za to, Dejvid ja ušao malo brže
u kad je shvatio da kliza, već je bilo kasno...
Znači, nije baš njegova krivica, jer Williams bolidi ulaze neobično brže
u box u Adelaidi...
auto-moto.410space.ace,
>> Pa, on je sa istim pobedjivao prosle godine ...
>> » PS. Kao ni Alesi i Berger. :)
>> ... kao i pretprosle i natprosle, kada je i osvajao titule ...
Da, Schu je osvajao titule kada je i Williams-ov bolid bio lošiji nego
što je sad. Razvoj Benneton-ove šasije je stagnirao od Schu-ovog odlaska,
dok je Williams-ova šasija znatno unapređena i predstavlja ubedljivo
najbolju šasiju u F1 - usuđujem se da kažem da bi pobeđivala sa bilo
kakvim motorima. Čak i Yamaha-om ;).
auto-moto.411space.ace,
>> za skor u karijeri. Vilnev definitivno juri šampionsku tituli i vozi
>> sračunato ka tom cilju. Uzgred, mislim i da je bolji vozač od obojice
>> navedenih, ali ne mogu da tvrdim dok ga ne vidim u nekom slabijem timu.
Kad smo već kod slabijih timova, svi znamo šta se dogodilo sa jadnim Hilom.
Tokom prošlih godina svi su smatrali da je vezista, ali je on pokazao
da je veliki vozač. Pogledajmo njegovu vožnju sad, njegove kvalifikacije,
njegova visoka mesta u plasmanu s obzirom na kvalitet (pogledajmo samo
drugog vozača TWR-a), da ne nabrajam dalje.
Sve u svemu, čovek je car!
auto-moto.412space.ace,
>> Bergeru ne polazi za rukom. Nije valjda da su Benetonovi bolidi nakon
>> odlaska Šumahera i Herberta odjednom propali pa i pored činjenice da
Nisu propali, samo je razvoj stao. Williams-u nije.
auto-moto.413space.ace,
>> Ja međutim, nemislim da će ljudi poput gore navadenih više postojati. Pre
>> je Formula bila, što se kaže, "gladijatorska" igra.
Upravo tako i...
>> Pre se nije znalo do poslednje krivine ko će biti pobednik, a o tome ko će
>> biti šampion niko nije smeo ni da razmišlja.
...zbog toga i ovoga dole počinjem redovno da pratim Cart PPG, jer je tamo
veoma mala razlika u bolidima, tako da se ističu sve vozačeve vrline i mane,
zna se ko je ko, i ko je bolji od koga...
auto-moto.414space.ace,
>> To sto vozi u Ferrariju,to nista ne dokazuje. Gde su njegovi poeni ???
>> Nije ama bas nista uradio prosle godine, sem one sjajne serije od ko zna
>> koliko nezavrsenih trka...
Njegovi poeni se pokazuju u ovoj sezoni, jer prošle sezone on nije imao
priliku da se upozna sa bolidom, praktično ga je vozio samo na trkama
(ništa treninzi van šampionata), plus ona neslavna kriza Ferrari-jevog
motora, doveli su do onoga što se desilo. Pred ovu sezonu on je izvezao
jednu zahvalnu seriju treninga, upoznao se sa bolidom i već pokazuje
rezultate. So, nemoj da ga je neko nazvao neznalicom!
auto-moto.415swix,
|-> Dakle, Senna je bio vanzemaljac, a u njegovom odsustvu Alesi
|-> suvereno vlada i tu je kraj. ;)
My men ..... :)
auto-moto.416swix,
|-> To, I say, nije bila njegova greska, mozda malo ;), jer je tu bilo mnogo
|-> ulja i bilo je mnogo klizavo. Ne znajuci za to, Dejvid ja usao malo brze
|-> u kad je shvatio da kliza, vec je bilo kasno...
Da MNOOOOGOOOOOOO ulje i MNOOOOOGOOOOO klizavo, a on je jedini koji se tu
skenje ;)))
Ma bre njegova greska, trema i tome slicno...
auto-moto.417vector,
│ ...zbog toga i ovoga dole pocinjem redovno da pratim Cart PPG, jer je tamo
│ veoma mala razlika u bolidima, tako da se isticu sve vozaceve vrline i mane,
│ zna se ko je ko, i ko je bolji od koga...
└─────────
Naravno. Zna se ko je Alex Zanardi. :)
auto-moto.418darth.vader,
>> |-> na onu mrlju od ulja... Cista nesreca i baxuzluk...
>> Ma daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj ;)
>> Kakvi bre nesreca.
>> Ispao je glup, to je.
Ajde, i ti sad preterujes... Ispao glup jer mu se bolid proklizo preko
uljne mrlje... Slucajno bre...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.419darth.vader,
>> Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilo bi veselo!! :)
Pa o tome i pricam ;)))
>> ...mada nebih to podrzao, kada bi mene neko nesto pitao ;), vec bi pre
>> recimo bio da se vrne manuelni menjac. ;)
Ma samo neka odobre turbo motore... Posle toga neka odobravaju sta god
oce, ja cu biti zadovoljan ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.420darth.vader,
>> Da MNOOOOGOOOOOOO ulje i MNOOOOOGOOOOO klizavo, a on je jedini koji se tu
>> skenje ;)))
Bogami, koliko se ja secam, i drugi bolidi su 'plesali' na istom tom
mestu... Samo se cekao neko ko ce malko brze da uleti u tu krivinu
i da se zaj*be... Nazalost, to je bio Kultard...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.421darth.vader,
>> Sve u svemu, covek je car!
E pa bas ga pretera ;))))
Daleko je on od cara... :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.422darth.vader,
>> » Kad je prvo mesto ovako monotono, mogli bi da odobre
>> » koriscenje turbo motora u F1... Bilo bi veselo ;))))
>> Jedno je sigurno, bilo bi mrtvih ...
Pa o tom veselom i pricam ;))))
Dobro, ne zelim nikome da pogine, ali ipak mislim da bi bilo zanimljivije...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.423darth.vader,
>> ni priblizno uslove koje je Schumacher imao kada je osvajao
>> titule. Tada je ceo tim bio podredjen samo njemu i iskljucivo
>> njemu, dok za drugog vozaca nisu marili k'o ni za lanjski sneg.
Tacno... Secam se kakva su vremena imali u boksevima...
Ono je bilo neverovatno... Ja smatram da su tim mehanicara, kao
i taktika, i pitovi, jedini razlog zasto je Sch dobio te titule.
Da je neko drugi bio za istim bolidom, isto bi se desilo...
Da ne pricamo sta bi bilo da je Senna bio u istom...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.424darth.vader,
>> (nista treninzi van sampionata), plus ona neslavna kriza Ferrari-jevog
>> motora, doveli su do onoga sto se desilo. Pred ovu sezonu on je izvezao
Ma prosle sezone je Ferrari uopste bio ubi Boze... Ne samo
motor, nego i ceo tim...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.425darth.vader,
>> » Mozda da se svima zajedno broje bodovi ;)))
>> » Eeee, pa mogli bi oni da naprave koaliciju.... ;)))
>> Panis, Coulthard, Schumacher ... cinjenice, cinjenice ;))
Ok, samo bez ovog zadnjeg ;))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.426ivanl,
Da> Tacno... Secam se kakva su vremena imali u boksevima...
Da> Ono je bilo neverovatno... Ja smatram da su tim mehanicara, kao
Da> i taktika, i pitovi, jedini razlog zasto je Sch dobio te titule.
Box im je uvek bio za par sec. brži od Williams-ovog.
auto-moto.427swix,
|-> Ajde, i ti sad preterujes... Ispao glup jer mu se bolid proklizo preko
|-> uljne mrlje... Slucajno bre...
Ajde evo mirovnog ugovora:
1. Kuki je kriv 50 % zbog preterivanja
2. A ulje koje tu nije bilo usprkos jasnom pravilniku FIA-e mu
je pomoglo da dopuni do 100 %
;)))))))))))))
Jel moze ?
Evo vuke (c)....
"Evo vuke" is a registred trademark of Vojislav Seselj ;)))))
auto-moto.428swix,
|-> Bogami, koliko se ja secam, i drugi bolidi su 'plesali' na istom tom
Plesali su pred (kako ovo definisati :) ulazom u BOX, tj na odvajanju za BOX
dok je kuki jedini popio zid ;))))
auto-moto.429miko,
»>> Panis, Coulthard, Schumacher ... cinjenice, cinjenice ;))
»
» Ok, samo bez ovog zadnjeg ;))
"Ilovaca? E, pa, sta ces, ni ja je ne volim ..." ;))
( (c) Maratonci ;)
auto-moto.430nigy,
>Ma samo neka odobre turbo motore... Posle toga neka odobravaju sta god
>oce, ja cu biti zadovoljan ;)
Nema teorije!!! Pa znate li da, u doba kada su bili dozvoljeni turbo punjaci
zapremina motora sa istim je bila upola manja od atmosferskih, a imali su
vecu snagu. A tehnika je od tada poprilicno napredovala. Sa ovom zapreminom
mislim da bi u startu imali po 2000 konja!!! To se nikako nece odobriti (cak
ni uz smanjenje V jer je ponovni razvoj istih sravicno skup).
auto-moto.431darth.vader,
>> Ajde evo mirovnog ugovora:
>> 1. Kuki je kriv 50 % zbog preterivanja
Ovu nulu izbaci i onda ok... ;)
>> 2. A ulje koje tu nije bilo usprkos jasnom pravilniku FIA-e mu
>> je pomoglo da dopuni do 100 %
Ovo je ok. 95% zbog ulja... :)
>> Jel moze ?
Kao sto rekoh ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.432darth.vader,
>> Plesali su pred (kako ovo definisati :) ulazom u BOX, tj na odvajanju za
>> BOX dok je kuki jedini popio zid ;))))
Jeste, zato sto je usao malo brze... Ali za to malo ne bi dobio ni
Stop - Go kaznu...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.433darth.vader,
>> Box im je uvek bio za par sec. brzi od Williams-ovog.
Pa da... O tome i pricam... Zahvaljujuci ljudima u boxu, doticni
Sch senior je dobio sampionat.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.434darth.vader,
>> »>> Panis, Coulthard, Schumacher ... cinjenice, cinjenice ;))
>> » Ok, samo bez ovog zadnjeg ;))
>> "Ilovaca? E, pa, sta ces, ni ja je ne volim ..." ;))
Pozdrav kolega ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.435vector,
Jel ima neko slike sa trke u Portugalu (Estoril) prosle godine ?
Moglo bi ovde u konferenciju ili na mail. :)
auto-moto.436swix,
|-> Nema teorije!!! Pa znate li da, u doba kada su bili dozvoljeni turbo
Znam mi (ja :) to nigy, znam, ali da li si ikad cuo za ono -> mastanja, snovi
;))))))
auto-moto.437swix,
|-> Ovu nulu izbaci i onda ok... ;)
Ma pali bre ;))))
KRIV JE, KRIV JE !!!! ;>>>>
|-> Kao sto rekoh ;)))
Kao sto rekoh ;)))
auto-moto.438swix,
|-> Jeste, zato sto je usao malo brze... Ali za to malo ne bi dobio ni
|-> Stop - Go kaznu...
Dobijaju oni kaznu i za manje ;)))
Nego, btw. ako neznas linija nakon koje se mora postovati brzina (valjda je
80 km/h u Adelaidi bila) se nalazi posle one krvine, ciji je zidic Coulthard
poljubio ;)
auto-moto.439darth.vader,
>> Nema teorije!!! Pa znate li da, u doba kada su bili dozvoljeni turbo
>> punjaci zapremina motora sa istim je bila upola manja od atmosferskih, a
>> imali su vecu snagu. A tehnika je od tada poprilicno napredovala. Sa ovom
>> zapreminom mislim da bi u startu imali po 2000 konja!!! To se nikako nece
>> odobriti (cak ni uz smanjenje V jer je ponovni razvoj istih sravicno skup).
Pa ne kazem ja da oce... Ali bi vredelo videti takvu zverinu
od Formule... A nece da odobre iz cisto bezbednosnih razloga...
Mrtvi bi leteli na sve strane...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.440space.ace,
>> Eeeeee, da je bar samo donekle... Secamo se Bergera prosle sezone kada je
>> ispred ja mislim Hill-a vozio, i 3 (tri) kruga pred kraj mu pukne motor...
Hokenhajm, prošle godine? To je bila čisto strateška vožnja Hilla, jer
je video da ne može da prestigne Bergera, pa ga je zato jadnika forsirao
do maksimuma, i Reno u Benetonu nije izdržao ;).
Slažem se da je izgledalo spektakularno... Ali Hil je tu veoma pametno
odvezao, nije hteo da dolazi u situaciju da se skenja, ako kojim slučajem
Berger udari u njega ;>, već mu se nabio u ****. Na kraju mi mnogo žao
bilo Bergera... Gde bi mu bio kraj da je kojim slučajem u Williams-u?
auto-moto.441space.ace,
>> On vozi toliko bolji bolid da bi se u "biciklistickom" zargonu moglo reci
>> da on tera specijalku dok se ostali pate sa Mountain bike-ovima.
Sve u svemu lepo rečeno, i obren bi pobeđivao u Williams-u...
Šta znate, možda neke godine...
NHF, obr.
auto-moto.442space.ace,
>> E pa bas ga pretera ;))))
>> Daleko je on od cara... :)
Da, on je carev ujak ;).
auto-moto.443ivanl,
Da> Pa da... O tome i pricam... Zahvaljujuci ljudima u boxu, doticni
Da> Sch senior je dobio sampionat.
To me je uvek živciralo, pobedi u boxu.
auto-moto.444darth.vader,
>> Ma pali bre ;))))
VRUUUUUUUUUUM... Upalio iz prve ;)
>> KRIV JE, KRIV JE !!!! ;>>>>
Ok, ne bih dalje o tom pitanju ;)))
See ya, Darth
P.S. Nije kriv ;)
auto-moto.445darth.vader,
>> Berger udari u njega ;>, vec mu se nabio u ****. Na kraju mi mnogo zao
>> bilo Bergera... Gde bi mu bio kraj da je kojim slucajem u Williams-u?
Eeeeeee, potpuno tacno... :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.446darth.vader,
>> >> E pa bas ga pretera ;))))
>> >> Daleko je on od cara... :)
>> Da, on je carev ujak ;).
:)))))))))))))))))))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.447nigy,
>Pa ne kazem ja da oce... Ali bi vredelo videti takvu zverinu
>od Formule... A nece da odobre iz cisto bezbednosnih razloga...
>Mrtvi bi leteli na sve strane...
Pa nije ti valjda cilj da gledas ljude kako ginu i da u tome uzivas???
Ako ti je to cilj uzmi horor/ratne/filmove katastrofa iz video kluba pa
uzivaj koliko hoces!
auto-moto.448nigy,
>odvezao, nije hteo da dolazi u situaciju da se skenja, ako kojim slucajem
>Berger udari u njega ;>, vec mu se nabio u ****. Na kraju mi mnogo zao
Ulazem protest! Berger nije incidentni vozac. Ako bi neko (eventualno)
i izbacio Hilla, onda bi to bio Alesi (svi se secamo kraja sampionata pre
dve godine Alesi - Sch. ;)
auto-moto.449darth.vader,
>> Da> Pa da... O tome i pricam... Zahvaljujuci ljudima u boxu, doticni
>> Da> Sch senior je dobio sampionat.
>> To me je uvek zivciralo, pobedi u boxu.
Eeeeee, posle kada je presao u ferari, njegovi kvaliteti su se pokazali
prosle sezone u Monaku... :>>>
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.450space.ace,
>> Ulazem protest! Berger nije incidentni vozac. Ako bi neko (eventualno)
Pogrešno si shvatio, mislio sam na Hilla :).
auto-moto.451tomislavr,
Rezultati nezvaničnog treninga za V.N. San Marina (Imola) 25. April '97.
1. Irvine
2. Schumacher
3. Berger
4. Alesi
5. Villeneuve
6. Coulthard
7. Frentzen
8. Barichello
9. Panis
10. Herbert (?)
11. ???
12. Hakkinen
13. Hill
auto-moto.452darth.vader,
>> Pa nije ti valjda cilj da gledas ljude kako ginu i da u tome uzivas???
Kao sto sam rekao, ne zelim nikome da pogine, a ono sto sam rekao, rekao
sam da zbog toga nece da dozvole upotrebu turbo motora. A ti, hold your
horses, i procitaj poruke pre nego sto odgovoris na neku...
>> Ako ti je to cilj uzmi horor/ratne/filmove katastrofa iz video kluba pa
>> uzivaj koliko hoces!
A horor filmove volim da gledam, ali to nije tema ove konfe, a i nema
dobrih horora u poslednje vreme...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.453junior,
> Pa da... O tome i pricam... Zahvaljujuci ljudima u boxu,
> doticni Sch senior je dobio sampionat.
Čekaj, hoćeš da kažeš da sam ja vozio u Benetonu, i ja bih zahvaljujući
"ljudima u boxu" dobio šampionat? Ili je Šumaher bio odličan, kakav svetski
šampion i mora da bude, a "ljudi u boxu" su bili ona prevaga koja mu je donela
titulu?
auto-moto.454junior,
> Gde bi mu bio kraj da je kojim slučajem u Williams-u?
Kakav je baksuz, otkazale bi mu kočnice pri ulasku u box,
te bi pobio ceo tim Williamsa. ;) Neka je Bog u pomoći,
onom timu koji njega kupi ...
auto-moto.455nigy,
>> Pa nije ti valjda cilj da gledas ljude kako ginu i da u tome uzivas???
>Kao sto sam rekao, ne zelim nikome da pogine, a ono sto sam rekao, rekao
>sam da zbog toga nece da dozvole upotrebu turbo motora. A ti, hold your
>horses, i procitaj poruke pre nego sto odgovoris na neku...
Pa kada me vec teras da ti citiram reci, evo:
*11.422 SPORT.2:auto-moto
* darth.vader, 22.04.97. 19:33, 298 chr
* Odgovor na 11.402, miko, 21.04.97. 21:49
*---------------------------------------------------------
*>> » Kad je prvo mesto ovako monotono, mogli bi da odobre
*>> » koriscenje turbo motora u F1... Bilo bi veselo ;))))
*
*>> Jedno je sigurno, bilo bi mrtvih ...
*
*Pa o tom veselom i pricam ;))))
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Koliko se ja razumem, podvuceni deo govori o tvom odusevljenju na
konstataciju da bi bilo mrtvih (li opet ne citam? ;).
auto-moto.456vpoznanovic,
F1: San Marino GP Friday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:25.981
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:25.997 0.016 0.016
3. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:26.259 0.262 0.278
4. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:26.382 0.123 0.401
5. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:26.499 0.117 0.518
6. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.549 0.050 0.568
7. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:26.600 0.051 0.619
8. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:26.679 0.079 0.698
9. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:26.779 0.100 0.798
10. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:26.831 0.052 0.850
11. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:26.842 0.011 0.861
12. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.184 0.342 1.203
13. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:27.334 0.150 1.353
14. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:27.612 0.278 1.631
15. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:28.091 0.479 2.110
16. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:28.177 0.086 2.196
17. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:29.021 0.844 3.040
18. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:29.087 0.066 3.106
19. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:29.117 0.030 3.136
20. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:29.736 0.619 3.755
21. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:29.974 0.238 3.993
22. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:30.820 0.846 4.839
107% of fastest time: 1:32.000
auto-moto.457vpoznanovic,
TV Palma prenosi Veliku nagradu San Marina sutra od 14 sati.
auto-moto.458obren,
Evo friških rezultata :)
Rezultati kvalifikacija za V.N. San Marina, 26. April 1997.
Pl No Pilote Voiture Temps Moyenne
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1. 3 VILLENEUVE Williams 1'23"303 213.05 km/h
2. 4 FRENTZEN Williams 1'23"646 212.18 km/h
3. 5 M. SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1'23"955 211.40 km/h
4. 14 PANIS Prost 1'24"075 211.10 km/h
5. 11 R. SCHUMACHER Jordan 1'24"081 211.08 km/h
6. 12 FISICHELLA Jordan 1'24"596 209.80 km/h
7. 16 HERBERT Sauber 1'24"723 209.48 km/h
8. 9 HAKKINEN McLaren 1'24"812 209.26 km/h
9. 6 IRVINE Ferrari 1'24"861 209.14 km/h
10. 10 COULTHARD McLaren 1'25"077 208.61 km/h
11. 8 BERGER Benetton 1'25"371 207.89 km/h
12. 17 LARINI Sauber 1'25"544 207.47 km/h
13. 22 BARICHELLO Stewart 1'25"579 207.39 km/h
14. 7 ALESI Benetton 1'25"729 207.02 km/h
15. 1 HILL Arrows 1'25"743 206.99 km/h
16. 23 MAGNUSSEN Stewart 1'26"192 205.91 km/h
17. 2 DINIZ Arrows 1'26"253 205.77 km/h
18. 15 NAKANO Prost 1'26"712 204.68 km/h
19. 19 SALO Tyrrell 1'26"852 204.35 km/h
20. 21 TRULLI Minardi 1'26"960 204.09 km/h
21. 18 VERSTAPPEN Tyrrell 1'27"428 203.00 km/h
22. 20 KATAYAMA Minardi 1'28"727 200.03 km/h
auto-moto.459swix,
|-> TV Palma prenosi Veliku nagradu San Marina sutra od 14 sati.
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
auto-moto.460vector,
Ţ 11. 8 BERGER Benetton 1'25"371 207.89 km/h
Ţ 14. 7 ALESI Benetton 1'25"729 207.02 km/h
Ţ
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Sta se ovo desava sa Benettonom ?!
auto-moto.461vpoznanovic,
F1: San Marino GP Saturday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:23.477
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:23.739 0.262 0.262
3. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:24.325 0.586 0.848
4. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:24.586 0.261 1.109
5. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:24.719 0.133 1.242
6. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:24.766 0.047 1.289
7. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.980 0.214 1.503
8. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:24.982 0.002 1.505
9. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:25.027 0.045 1.550
10. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:25.586 0.559 2.109
11. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:25.586 0.000 2.109
12. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:25.626 0.040 2.149
13. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:25.650 0.024 2.173
14. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:25.791 0.141 2.314
15. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:26.034 0.243 2.557
16. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.226 0.192 2.749
17. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:27.004 0.778 3.527
18. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:27.042 0.038 3.565
19. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:27.383 0.341 3.906
20. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:27.709 0.326 4.232
21. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:27.970 0.261 4.493
107% of fastest time: 1:29.320
auto-moto.463vpoznanovic,
U Imoli kiša...
F1: San Marino GP Sunday Warm Up
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:48.505
2. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:48.528 0.023 0.023
3. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:48.547 0.019 0.042
4. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:48.605 0.058 0.100
5. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:49.160 0.555 0.655
6. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:50.483 1.323 1.978
7. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:50.556 0.073 2.051
8. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:50.727 0.171 2.222
9. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:50.754 0.027 2.249
10. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:50.807 0.053 2.302
11. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:50.824 0.017 2.319
12. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:50.994 0.170 2.489
13. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:51.094 0.100 2.589
14. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:51.315 0.221 2.810
15. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:51.772 0.457 3.267
16. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:51.904 0.132 3.399
17. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:51.953 0.049 3.448
18. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:52.171 0.218 3.666
19. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:52.581 0.410 4.076
20. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:52.927 0.346 4.422
21. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:53.344 0.417 4.839
22. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:53.771 0.427 5.266
auto-moto.464giovanni,
Ura! Bio prenos iz Imole. Šumaher i Irvajn 2. i 3. Kanđanin odustao u
boxu. :)))
auto-moto.465vpoznanovic,
F1: San Marino GP results
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:31:00.673
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari +1.237
3. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari +1:18.343
4. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot +1:23.388
5. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault -1 lap
6. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes -1 lap
7. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas -1 lap
8. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen -1 lap
9. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 -2 laps
10. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 -2 laps
11. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart -2 laps
DNF Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha On lap 57 Mechanical
DNF Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault On lap 43 Gearbox
DNF David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes On lap 39 Engine
DNF Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 On lap 34 Mechanical
DNF Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas On lap 19 Mechanical
DNF Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot On lap 18 Mechanical
DNF Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha On lap 13 Accident
DNF Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen On lap 13 Accident
DNF Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault On lap 6 Spun
DNF Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 On lap 4 Spun
DNF Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart On lap 2 Mechanical
auto-moto.466vector,
Ţ Sledeca trka
Ţ ────────────
Ţ April 27th
Ţ from Nazareth, PA
Ţ Bosch Spark Plug G.P.
Ţ 2:00 PM Eastern
Ţ
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Eurosport daje prenos danas u 22:00.
Tipujem na Andretija, mada bih voleo da Trejsi dobije. :)
auto-moto.467darth.vader,
>> Koliko se ja razumem, podvuceni deo govori o tvom odusevljenju na
>> konstataciju da bi bilo mrtvih (li opet ne citam? ;).
Ovako: Ti u prvom slucaju nisi kvotirao tu poruku, a ova koju si sad naveo
sigurno ne govori o mom odusevljenju... A i pored toga, ja sam se od ovakvih
opaski ogradio jednom od poruka u kojoj sam rekao da ne zelim nikome da
pogine.
A mislim da ova rasprava ne vodi nicemu.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.468darth.vader,
>> Cekaj, hoces da kazes da sam ja vozio u Benetonu, i ja bih zahvaljujuci
>> "ljudima u boxu" dobio sampionat? Ili je Sumaher bio odlican, kakav svetski
>> sampion i mora da bude, a "ljudi u boxu" su bili ona prevaga koja mu je
>> donela titulu?
Hocu da kazem da bi jedan prosecan vozac Formule 1 koji ima iskustva koliko je
on tada imao, dobio sampionat da je vozio onaj bolid, i da je imao onakav pit.
A za takvog smatram i M.Sumahera. Za prosecnog.
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.469darth.vader,
>> Ţ 11. 8 BERGER Benetton 1'25"371 207.89 km/h
>> Ţ 14. 7 ALESI Benetton 1'25"729 207.02 km/h
>> Sta se ovo desava sa Benettonom ?!
'To ja tebi, ovaj, to ja tebi pricam sine...' (C) Sofronije
Baxuzi obojica da vecih ne moze biti bre...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.470vector,
Ţ 5. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault -1 lap
Ţ
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Naravno, zna se ko je majstor. ;)
... sa 14. na 5. mesto ... :)
˙The˙Call˙Of˙Ktulu˙
auto-moto.471vector,
Ţ Tipujem na Andretija, mada bih voleo da Trejsi dobije. :)
Ţ
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Obratite paznju na dvojicu prvoplasiranih, i recite ko je ovde majstor.
Trejsi i Andreti, bas kao sto sam rekao. ;)
Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix, Nazareth
──────────────────────────────────────
1. Paul Tracy
2. Michael Andretti
3. Al Unser Jr.
4. Gil De Ferran
5. Jimmy Vasser
6. Bobby Rahal
7. Bryan Herta
8. Raul Boesel
9. Mauricio Gugelmin
10. Scott Pruett
11. Alex Zanardi
12. Patrick Carpentier
Sledeca trka je 11. maja u Brazilu; u pitanju je Rio De Janeiro.
˙The˙Call˙Of˙Ktulu˙
auto-moto.472vpoznanovic,
F1: Standings after San Marino
Drivers' Championship:
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Points
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 20
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 14
3. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 10
4. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 10
5. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 10
6. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 10
7. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 10
8. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 6
9. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 4
10. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 3
11. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 3
12. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 3
13. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1
Constructors' Championship:
Pos Constructor Nat Points
----------------------------------------------
1. Williams-Renault GB 30
2. Ferrari I 24
3. McLaren-Mercedes GB 20
4. Benetton-Renault I 13
5. Jordan-Peugeot GB 7
6. Prost-Mugen F 6
7. Sauber-Petronas CH 4
auto-moto.473vpoznanovic,
F1: San Marino fastest laps
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:25.531
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:25.537 0.006 0.006
3. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:25.753 0.216 0.222
4. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:25.997 0.244 0.466
5. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.067 0.070 0.536
6. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:26.620 0.553 1.089
7. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.791 0.171 1.260
8. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:26.811 0.020 1.280
9. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:27.091 0.280 1.560
10. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:27.217 0.126 1.686
11. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:27.594 0.377 2.063
12. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:27.741 0.147 2.210
13. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:27.793 0.052 2.262
14. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:28.064 0.271 2.533
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:28.189 0.125 2.658
16. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:28.886 0.697 3.355
17. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:29.237 0.351 3.706
18. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:29.554 0.317 4.023
19. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:30.554 1.000 5.023
20. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:33.513 2.959 7.982
21. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:36.710 3.197 11.179
107% of fastest time: 1:31.518
auto-moto.474vpoznanovic,
INDYCAR: Nazareth Friday 1st practice
Pos Driver # Chassis/engine/t Time Speed To1st Gap
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Paul Tracy 3 PC/Mercedes/G 19.198 187.520 0.000 0.000
2 Patrick Carpentier 16 R97I/Mercedes/G 19.489 184.720 0.291 0.291
3 Michael Andretti 6 SW/Ford Cos/G 19.663 183.085 0.465 0.174
4 Mauricio Gugelmin 17 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.824 181.598 0.626 0.161
5 Al Unser Jr. 2 PC/Mercedes/G 19.854 181.324 0.656 0.030
6 Richie Hearn 21 LT/Ford Cos/G 19.979 180.189 0.781 0.125
7 Gualter Salles 77 R**I/Ford Cos/G 20.042 179.623 0.844 0.063
8 Bobby Rahal 7 R97I/Ford Cos/G 20.192 178.288 0.994 0.150
9 Gil De Ferran 5 R**I/Honda/G 20.245 177.822 1.047 0.053
10 Bryan Herta 8 R97I/Ford Cos/G 20.315 177.209 1.117 0.070
11 Adrian Fernandez 32 LT/Honda/F 20.328 177.096 1.130 0.013
12 Scott Pruett 20 R**I/Ford Cos/F 20.347 176.930 1.149 0.019
13 Raul Boesel 40 R**I/Ford Cos/F 20.448 176.056 1.250 0.101
14 Greg Moore 99 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.514 175.490 1.316 0.066
15 Andre Ribeiro 31 LT/Honda/F 20.537 175.293 1.339 0.023
16 Jimmy Vasser 1 R**I/Honda/F 20.574 174.978 1.376 0.037
17 Alex Zanardi 4X R**I/Honda/F 20.600 174.757 1.402 0.026
18 Mark Blundell 18 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.712 173.812 1.514 0.112
19 Parker Johnstone 27 R**I/Honda/F 20.793 173.135 1.595 0.081
20 Dario Franchitti 9 R97I/Mercedes/F 20.898 172.265 1.700 0.105
21 Roberto Moreno 11 SW/Ford Cos/G 20.973 171.649 1.775 0.075
22 Max Papis 25 R**I/Toyota/F 21.100 170.616 1.902 0.127
23 Juan Fangio II 36 R**I/Toyota/G 21.123 170.430 1.925 0.023
24 Al Unser Jr. 2X PC/Mercedes/G 21.167 170.076 1.969 0.044
25 PJ Jones 98 R**I/Toyota/G 21.193 169.867 1.995 0.026
26 Scott Pruett 20X R**I/Ford Cos/F 21.224 169.619 2.026 0.031
27 Alex Zanardi 4 R**I/Honda/F 21.496 167.473 2.298 0.272
28 Michel Jourdain Jr. 19 LT/Ford Cos/F 21.679 166.059 2.481 0.183
29 Paul Jasper 34 LT/Ford Cos/F 21.939 164.091 2.741 0.260
30 Hiro Matsushita 24 R**I/Toyota/F 22.071 163.110 2.873 0.132
31 Dennis Vitolo 64 LT/Ford Cos/G 22.220 162.016 3.022 0.149
32 Paul Tracy 3X PC/Mercedes/G 24.029 149.819 4.831 1.809
auto-moto.475vpoznanovic,
INDYCAR: Nazareth Friday 2nd practice
Pos Driver # Chassis/engine/t Time Speed To1st Gap
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Paul Tracy 3 PC/Mercedes/G 19.024 189.235 0.000 0.000
2 Patrick Carpentier 16 R97I/Mercedes/G 19.301 186.519 0.277 0.277
3 Al Unser Jr. 2 PC/Mercedes/G 19.483 184.776 0.459 0.182
4 Richie Hearn 21 LT/Ford Cos/G 19.735 182.417 0.711 0.252
5 Scott Pruett 20 R**I/Ford Cos/F 19.777 182.030 0.753 0.042
6 Gualter Salles 77 R**I/Ford Cos/G 19.815 181.681 0.791 0.038
7 Mauricio Gugelmin 17 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.846 181.397 0.822 0.031
8 Andre Ribeiro 31 LT/Honda/F 19.858 181.287 0.834 0.012
9 Alex Zanardi 4X R**I/Honda/F 20.012 179.892 0.988 0.154
10 Gil De Ferran 5 R**I/Honda/G 20.057 179.488 1.033 0.045
11 Michael Andretti 6 SW/Ford Cos/G 20.058 179.480 1.034 0.001
12 Bryan Herta 8 R97I/Ford Cos/G 20.072 179.354 1.048 0.014
13 Raul Boesel 40 R**I/Ford Cos/F 20.093 179.167 1.069 0.021
14 Greg Moore 99 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.198 178.235 1.174 0.105
15 Paul Tracy 3X PC/Mercedes/G 20.218 178.059 1.194 0.020
16 Bobby Rahal 7 R97I/Ford Cos/G 20.220 178.042 1.196 0.002
17 Jimmy Vasser 1 R**I/Honda/F 20.294 177.392 1.270 0.074
18 Dario Franchitti 9 R97I/Mercedes/F 20.406 176.419 1.382 0.112
19 Parker Johnstone 27 R**I/Honda/F 20.520 175.439 1.496 0.114
20 Mark Blundell 18 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.593 174.817 1.569 0.073
21 Michel Jourdain Jr. 19 LT/Ford Cos/F 20.686 174.031 1.662 0.093
22 Adrian Fernandez 32 LT/Honda/F 20.739 173.586 1.715 0.053
23 Roberto Moreno 11 SW/Ford Cos/G 20.790 173.160 1.766 0.051
24 Max Papis 25 R**I/Toyota/F 21.072 170.843 2.048 0.282
25 Juan Fangio II 36 R**I/Toyota/G 21.100 170.616 2.076 0.028
26 Max Papis 25X R**I/Toyota/F 21.118 170.471 2.094 0.018
27 PJ Jones 98 R**I/Toyota/G 21.268 169.268 2.244 0.150
28 Paul Jasper 34 LT/Ford Cos/F 21.329 168.784 2.305 0.061
29 Hiro Matsushita 24 R**I/Toyota/F 21.876 164.564 2.852 0.547
30 Dennis Vitolo 64 LT/Ford Cos/G 23.424 153.689 4.400 1.548
auto-moto.476vpoznanovic,
INDYCAR: Nazareth Saturday practice
Pos Driver # Chassis/engine/t Time Speed To1st Gap
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Paul Tracy 3 PC/Mercedes/G 18.769 191.806 0.000 0.000
2 Patrick Carpentier 16 R97I/Mercedes/G 19.147 188.019 0.378 0.378
3 Gil De Ferran 5 R**I/Honda/G 19.291 186.616 0.522 0.144
4 Michael Andretti 6 SW/Ford Cos/G 19.325 186.287 0.556 0.034
5 Jimmy Vasser 1 R**I/Honda/F 19.334 186.200 0.565 0.009
6 Mauricio Gugelmin 17 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.382 185.739 0.613 0.048
7 Al Unser Jr. 2 PC/Mercedes/G 19.439 185.195 0.670 0.057
8 Bobby Rahal 7 R97I/Ford Cos/G 19.501 184.606 0.732 0.062
9 Greg Moore 99 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.516 184.464 0.747 0.015
10 Richie Hearn 21 LT/Ford Cos/G 19.599 183.683 0.830 0.083
11 Dario Franchitti 9 R97I/Mercedes/F 19.637 183.327 0.868 0.038
12 Alex Zanardi 4X R**I/Honda/F 19.676 182.964 0.907 0.039
13 Raul Boesel 40 R**I/Ford Cos/F 19.760 182.186 0.991 0.084
14 Bryan Herta 8 R97I/Ford Cos/G 19.761 182.177 0.992 0.001
15 Scott Pruett 20 R**I/Ford Cos/F 19.790 181.910 1.021 0.029
16 Gualter Salles 77 R**I/Ford Cos/G 19.828 181.561 1.059 0.038
17 Adrian Fernandez 32 LT/Honda/F 20.034 179.695 1.265 0.206
18 Parker Johnstone 27 R**I/Honda/F 20.090 179.194 1.321 0.056
19 Andre Ribeiro 31 LT/Honda/F 20.092 179.176 1.323 0.002
20 Roberto Moreno 11 SW/Ford Cos/G 20.214 178.094 1.445 0.122
21 Mark Blundell 18 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.233 177.927 1.464 0.019
22 Max Papis 25X R**I/Toyota/F 20.284 177.480 1.515 0.051
23 Juan Fangio II 36 R**I/Toyota/G 20.600 174.757 1.831 0.316
24 Michel Jourdain Jr. 19 LT/Ford Cos/F 20.658 174.267 1.889 0.058
25 PJ Jones 98 R**I/Toyota/G 20.838 172.761 2.069 0.180
26 Max Papis 25 R**I/Toyota/F 21.320 168.856 2.551 0.482
27 Hiro Matsushita 24 R**I/Toyota/F 21.423 168.044 2.654 0.103
28 Mark Blundell 18X R**I/Mercedes/F 21.560 166.976 2.791 0.137
29 Paul Jasper 34 LT/Ford Cos/F 21.875 164.571 3.106 0.315
30 Dennis Vitolo 64 LT/Ford Cos/G 21.998 163.651 3.229 0.123
31 PJ Jones 36X R**I/Toyota/G 25.892 139.039 7.123 3.894
auto-moto.477vpoznanovic,
INDYCAR: Nazareth starting grid
Pos Driver # Chassis/engine/t Time Speed To1st Gap
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Paul Tracy 3 PC/Mercedes/G 18.831 191.174 0.000 0.000
2 Michael Andretti 6 SW/Ford Cos/G 19.163 187.862 0.332 0.332
3 Patrick Carpentier 16 R97I/Mercedes/G 19.204 187.461 0.373 0.041
4 Gil De Ferran 5 R**I/Honda/G 19.255 186.964 0.424 0.051
5 Mauricio Gugelmin 17 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.321 186.326 0.490 0.066
6 Raul Boesel 40 R**I/Ford Cos/F 19.345 186.095 0.514 0.024
7 Al Unser Jr. 2 PC/Mercedes/G 19.382 185.739 0.551 0.037
8 Bobby Rahal 7 R97I/Ford Cos/G 19.421 185.366 0.590 0.039
9 Bryan Herta 8 R97I/Ford Cos/G 19.423 185.347 0.592 0.002
10 Greg Moore 99 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.520 184.426 0.689 0.097
11 Scott Pruett 20 R**I/Ford Cos/F 19.556 184.087 0.725 0.036
12 Jimmy Vasser 1 R**I/Honda/F 19.647 183.234 0.816 0.091
13 Gualter Salles 77 R**I/Ford Cos/G 19.697 182.769 0.866 0.050
14 Richie Hearn 21 LT/Ford Cos/G 19.716 182.593 0.885 0.019
15 Andre Ribeiro 31 LT/Honda/F 19.730 182.463 0.899 0.014
16 Mark Blundell 18 R**I/Mercedes/F 19.868 181.196 1.037 0.138
17 Parker Johnstone 27 R**I/Honda/F 19.895 180.950 1.064 0.027
18 Dario Franchitti 9 R97I/Mercedes/F 19.902 180.886 1.071 0.007
19 Adrian Fernandez 32 LT/Honda/F 19.937 180.569 1.106 0.035
20 Roberto Moreno 11 SW/Ford Cos/G 19.944 180.505 1.113 0.007
21 Alex Zanardi 4X R**I/Honda/F 20.008 179.928 1.177 0.064
22 Max Papis 25X R**I/Toyota/F 20.346 176.939 1.515 0.338
23 PJ Jones 98 R**I/Toyota/G 20.669 174.174 1.838 0.323
24 Michel Jourdain Jr. 19 LT/Ford Cos/F 20.687 174.022 1.856 0.018
25 Juan Fangio II 36 R**I/Toyota/G 20.717 173.770 1.886 0.030
26 Hiro Matsushita 24 R**I/Toyota/F 21.001 171.420 2.170 0.284
27 Dennis Vitolo 64 LT/Ford Cos/G 21.076 170.810 2.245 0.075
28 Paul Jasper 34 LT/Ford Cos/F 21.366 168.492 2.535 0.290
auto-moto.478vpoznanovic,
INDYCAR: Nazareth Sunday warmup
Pos Driver # Chassis/engine/t Time Speed To1st Gap
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Paul Tracy 3 PC/Mercedes/G 19.163 187.862 0.000 0.000
2 Richie Hearn 21 LT/Ford Cos/G 19.751 182.269 0.588 0.588
3 Al Unser Jr. 2 PC/Mercedes/G 19.938 180.560 0.775 0.187
4 Michael Andretti 6 SW/Ford Cos/G 20.072 179.354 0.909 0.134
5 Patrick Carpentier 16 R97I/Mercedes/G 20.288 177.445 1.125 0.216
6 Alex Zanardi 4X R**I/Honda/F 20.308 177.270 1.145 0.020
7 Bryan Herta 8 R97I/Ford Cos/G 20.324 177.130 1.161 0.016
8 Gil De Ferran 5 R**I/Honda/G 20.355 176.861 1.192 0.031
9 Raul Boesel 40 R**I/Ford Cos/F 20.395 176.514 1.232 0.040
10 Greg Moore 99 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.432 176.194 1.269 0.037
11 Mauricio Gugelmin 17 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.451 176.031 1.288 0.019
12 Roberto Moreno 11 SW/Ford Cos/G 20.483 175.756 1.320 0.032
13 Jimmy Vasser 1 R**I/Honda/F 20.484 175.747 1.321 0.001
14 Max Papis 25X R**I/Toyota/F 20.488 175.713 1.325 0.004
15 Mark Blundell 18 R**I/Mercedes/F 20.502 175.593 1.339 0.014
16 Scott Pruett 20 R**I/Ford Cos/F 20.505 175.567 1.342 0.003
17 Gualter Salles 77 R**I/Ford Cos/G 20.519 175.447 1.356 0.014
18 Dario Franchitti 9 R97I/Mercedes/F 20.551 175.174 1.388 0.032
19 Michel Jourdain Jr. 19 LT/Ford Cos/F 20.556 175.131 1.393 0.005
20 Parker Johnstone 27 R**I/Honda/F 20.577 174.953 1.414 0.021
21 Andre Ribeiro 31 LT/Honda/F 20.613 174.647 1.450 0.036
22 Bobby Rahal 7 R97I/Ford Cos/G 20.682 174.064 1.519 0.069
23 Adrian Fernandez 32 LT/Honda/F 20.807 173.019 1.644 0.125
24 Juan Fangio II 36X R**I/Toyota/G 20.846 172.695 1.683 0.039
25 PJ Jones 98 R**I/Toyota/G 21.337 168.721 2.174 0.491
26 Hiro Matsushita 24 R**I/Toyota/F 22.307 161.384 3.144 0.970
27 Hiro Matsushita 24X R**I/Toyota/F 22.906 157.164 3.743 0.599
auto-moto.479vpoznanovic,
INDYCAR: Nazareth results
P. (S) Driver Nat Team/engine T Laps
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. (1) Paul Tracy CDN Penske-Merc G 225
2. (2) Michael Andretti U.S. Swift-Ford G 225
3. (7) Al Unser Jr U.S. Penske-Merc G 225
4. (4) Gil de Ferran BRA Reynard-Honda G 225
5. (12) Jimmy Vasser U.S. Reynard-Honda F 224
6. (8) Bobby Rahal U.S. Reynard-Ford G 224
7. (9) Bryan Herta U.S. Reynard-Ford G 224
8. (6) Raul Boesel BRA Reynard-Ford F 224
9. (5) Mauricio Gugelmin BRA Reynard-Merc F 224
10. (11) Scott Pruett U.S. Reynard-Ford F 224
11. (21) Alex Zanardi ITA Reynard-Honda F 223
12. (3) Patrick Carpentier CDN Reynard-Merc G 223
13. (18) Dario Franchitti BRI Reynard-Merc F 222
14. (20) Roberto Moreno BRA Swift-Ford G 218
15. (25) Juan Fangio II ARG Reynard-Toyota G 214
16. (10) Greg Moore CDN Reynard-Merc F 194
17. (17) Parker Johnstone U.S. Reynard-Honda F 190 Acc
18. (14) Richie Hearn U.S. Lola-Ford G 190 Acc
19. (16) Mark Blundell BRI Reynard-Merc F 178 Acc
20. (24) Michel Jourdain Jr MEX Lola-Ford F 111 engine
21. (23) P.J. Jones U.S. Reynard-Toyota G 96 Fuel sys
22. (22) Max Papis ITA Reynard-Toyota F 81 engine
23. (19) Adrian Fernandez MEX Lola-Honda F 58 Acc
24. (13) Gualter Salles BRA Reynard-Ford G 34 Acc
25. (26) Hiro Matsushita JPN Reynard-Toyota F 23 Handling
26. (15) Andre Ribeiro BRA Lola-Honda F 4 Trans
Time of race: 1:53:31.
Margin of victory: .527.
Tracy's average speed: 118.919 mph.
Caution flags: 10 for 76 laps.
Lead changes: 4 among 3 drivers.
Lap Leaders:
Tracy 1-34, 53-63 & 85-225
Andretti 35-52
Boesel 64-84
Series Leaders:
1. Andretti 51
2. Pruett 47
3. Tracy 45
4. Zanardi 43
5. Vasser 29
6. Gugelmin 28
7. Moore 28
8. Unser 26
9. De Ferran 23
10. Herta 17
auto-moto.480vpoznanovic,
F1: San Marino GP winners' press conference
Q Can you tell us about that first pit stop because
when you went into the pits there you were in third
position and when you came out you were leading the
race, can you explain that at all?
HHF Well I thought I was scheduled to come into the
pits before Jacques. I saw Michael going in the
pits and I saw Jacques going in front of me into
the pits as well so at this moment it was my time
to push to do two quick lap times before I go into
the pits because I could gain some time there. I
was concerned about some traffic but it was just
all right. The pit stop was also very quick and
when I came out of the pits and saw 'P1' I was
absolutely happy and surprised as well that I was
on the lead now.
Q Once you were ahead of Michael, towards the end of
the race, he seemed to be catching up a bit. Were
you worried about that or not really?
HHF Yes, we had a good conversation through the radio.
I was concerned about the brakes. I didn't want to
happen again what happened in Melbourne and I asked
for saving brakes and the pit crew told me that
Michael is pushing quite hard in the end and I had
to push as well. I couldn't really save the brakes
as much as I would have done but anyway I tried to
save more brakes at the end. I was only concerned
about the rain that it could fall from the sky all
of a sudden and that would have made the situation
a bit more difficult.
Q Heinz-Harald, well done. Michael second here last
year, second today. A good victory for you. Did
your race go as expected?
MS I would say yes. The setup was fantastic, the car
was working fairly well. Obviously it was a little
bit of a mixture in setup of the rain condition
which might well have happened but I was basically
happy. Second position was a little bit more than I
was expecting. I was expecting actually a third
position. I was hoping to go in between the two
Williams which finally happened. I could have done
a little bit better if, before my second pit stop,
I wouldn't have had this traffic issue with Larini
who was probably looking in his mirror and driving
suddenly very slow and I locked up my front right
tyre, flat spotted it, and I had to come in so I
couldn't follow my plan. Which it's the question
mark whether it would have changed the situation to
be honest because the first pit stop was the
crucial one there we lost out just this bit where
Heinz-Harald slipped in front of me and from there
on the race was actually decided. He did a great
race.
Q You were looking much more competitive in this
race. Did you feel more confident in the car than
the last race?
MS Which last race? The last five hundred kilometres?
Actually, under race condition we seem to be not
that far off compared to qualifying conditions and
we are obviously the only team who at least can go
almost the speed as the Williams, which makes me
quite happy because there should come certain
changes into our car, soon I hope obviously, which
may give us the step we are looking for.
Q Michael, well done. Eddie, you were third in the
last race and second today. Was it hard for you out
there today?
EI The other way around but close. No, it was hard to
start with. I had a big battle with Panis. He was a
bit quicker than me at the start but I thought I'd
just save my tyres, have a go at him later on
because I had a lot of fuel on board so I had to do
a long first stint and then he started coming back
to me and I started pushing harder. Eventually I
overtook him and then we went into the pit stops,
some people were doing one, some people were doing
two. I had a bit of a dice with Coulthard just as
his engine blew up and then it was really
Fisichella who, I knew, I had a good idea had more
fuel on him so I could go longer in the second
stint and I was able to overtake him in the pits
and then it was basically quite boring really, just
plodding along to the finish. I had a bit of a gear
change problem but I'm very pleased with third,
obviously after yesterdays problems.
Q Eddie, well done. Heinz-Harald we now go to Monaco
and you are only ten points behind your teammate.
What are your feelings going to the Monaco circuit?
HHF Well the first thing is I'm quite happy with the
situation right now. I feel the car very good. We
made some good changes to the car which does fit
perfectly... not perfectly yet, but it's coming
into this right direction and I'm quite confident
that I'll be there soon yes.
auto-moto.481pecanac,
Slika iz San Marina, sa trke F1.
(1024x720)
san7a.jpgauto-moto.482pecanac,
Još jedna slika, sa starta kruga za zagrevanje.
(1024x720)
san8a.jpgauto-moto.483nigy,
Sta se ovde desava? Niko ni reci o krugu na Uscu?
Ccc!
Dakle, danas 04.05.97 u 11h pocinje program na Uscu. Mislim da je ulaz
za dz, pa dodjite da gledamo nesto i uzivo (a posle moze i da se ovde
komentarise :) .
Pozdrav,
Nigy
auto-moto.484vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Jerez SPA 125cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA Aprilia 42:30.676
2. Noboru Ueda JPN Honda 0.358
3. Jorge Martinez SPA Aprilia 0.500
4. Masaki Tokudome JPN Aprilia 1.343
5. Tomomi Manako JPN Honda 1.508
6. Peter Oettl GER Aprilia 8.074
7. Kazuto Sakata JPN Aprilia 10.631
8. Roberto Locatelli ITA Honda 14.560
9. Masao Azuma JPN Honda 18.569
10. Yoshiaki Katoh JPN Yamaha 20.091
11. Ivan Goi ITA Aprilia 21.586
12. Mirko Giansanti ITA Honda 24.467
13. Frederic Petit FRA Honda 24.844
14. Jaroslav Hules CZE Honda 24.910
15. Lucio Cecchinello ITA Honda 27.114
16. Alfonso Gonzales SPA Aprilia 46.271
Championship Points
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA 50
2. Noboru Ueda JPN 41
3. Kazuto Sakata JPN 40
4. Jorge Martinez SPA 21
5. Yoshiaki Katoh JPN 18
6. Masao Azuma JPN 17
7. Hideyuki Nakajo JPN 16
8. Masaki Tokudome JPN 14
9. Mirko Giansanti ITA 13
10. Tomomi Manako JPN 13
Posle ove trke jasno se videlo da ce Rossi da dominira tokom citave
sezone. Posle izuzetno loseg starta pri kojem je "pao" na 15. mesto,
uspeo je da pobedi ispred Uede i Martineza.
auto-moto.485vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Jerez SPA 250cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Ralf Waldmann GER Honda 46:03.640
2. Tetsuya Harada JPN Aprilia 12.724
3. Max Biaggi ITA Honda 19.428
4. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN TS Honda 30.257
5. Haruchika Aoki JPN Honda 30.744
6. Stefano Perugini ITA Aprilia 36.480
7. Olivier Jacque FRA Honda 41.960
8. Noriyasu Numata JPN Suzuki 46.400
9. Jeremy McWilliams GBR Honda 57.659
10. Jose Luis Cardoso SPA Yamaha 57.827
11. Luid D'Antin SPA Yamaha 58.288
12. Osamu Miyazaki JPN Yamaha 1:00.324
13. Olivier Petrucciani SUI Aprilia 1:03.231
14. Franco Battaini ITA Yamaha 1:03.584
15. Luca Boscoscuro ITA Honda 1:07.830
16. Jamie Robinson GBR Suzuki 1:15.710
Jacque je dobrim (odlicnim :) startom dosao na prvu poziciju, ali ga
je vec u prvih par krugova Ralf Waldmann obisao da bi na kraju pobedio
sa skoro 13 sekundi razlike u odnosu na Haradu.
U drugom krugu trke Harada udara u Biaggija posle cega Biaggi izlece, i
u trenutku kada se vratio na stazu dolazi na zadnju poziciju, ali tokom
cele trke vozi fantasticno dobro i uspeva da se dokopa treceg mesta.
Odlicna voznja aktuelnog sampiona.
Za informaciju, i Jacque i Biaggi su vozili povredjeni.
auto-moto.486vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Jerez SPA 500cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Alex Criville SPA Honda 47:30.624
2. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 5.636
3. Tadayuki Okada JPN Honda 5.670
4. Takuma Aoki JPN Honda 22.703
5. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Honda 28.414
6. Doriano Romboni ITA Aprilia 31.762
7. Norifumi Abe JPN Yamaha 32.486
8. Alex Barros BRA Honda 33.306
9. Sete Gibernau SPA Yamaha 33.557
10. Regis Laconi FRA Honda 41.982
11. Luca Cadalora ITA Yamaha 45.002
12. Daryl Beattie AUS Suzuki 49.769
13. Jean Michel Bayle FRA ModenasKR3 52.457
14. J. V.D.Goorbergh NED Honda 53.460
15. Kirk McCarthy AUS ROCYamaha 1:31.257
16. Laurent Naveau BEL ROCYamaha 1 lap
Championship Points
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS 70
2. Alex Criville SPA 65
3. Tadayuki Okada JPN 38
4. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN 38
5. Takuma Aoki JPN 37
6. Norifumi Abe JPN 26
7. Luca Cadalora ITA 23
8. Carlos Checa SPA 20
9. Alex Barros BRA 19
10. Alberto Puig SPA 17
Criville je od samog pocetka vodio i na kraju pobedio. Odlicno je vozio
pred domacom publikom. Pored 6 pol pozicija (u 500cc) ovo mu je 5. pobeda
u klasi od 500cc.
Doohan je u zadnjem krugu uspeo da preuzme drugo mesto od Okade. Imao je
problema sa motorom, mada je i on sam na kraju rekao da bi i bez istih
problema tesko mogao da prestigne svog timskog kolegu.
Okada je za sada osvojio 3 pol pozicije zaredom sto je vrlo zanimljivo.
Ove godine vozi 4-cilindricni V4 Repsol Honda motor.
auto-moto.487ivan,
Sredinom ovog meseca, na Trgu će biti Bajagin
koncert u okviru promocije Zepter posudja...
Specijalni gost, Damon Hill?!
Otkud baš on, i zašto... ne pitajte mene :)
auto-moto.488nigy,
>Sredinom ovog meseca, na Trgu ce biti Bajagin
>koncert u okviru promocije Zepter posudja...
>
>Specijalni gost, Damon Hill?!
>
>Otkud bas on, i zasto... ne pitajte mene :)
Pa cuo sam to. Posle trke u Monte Karlu trebalo bi da doleti Hill
na tu promociju, a razlog je sto je Zepter sponzor (mozda cak i
glavni) tima u kome isti vozi.
auto-moto.489tomislavr,
Evo nečega veoma zanimljivog. Radi se o transkriptu razgovora "najboljeg
vozača na svetu koji samo nema sreće", Žana Alezija sa momcima iz boksa
za vreme trke u Australiji kada mu je nestalo goriva.
Elem, kad sam u kancelariji da kažem ljudima koji ne idu na Internet
šta ima novoga u F1...
- Adrijan Njui prešao u Meklaren :) počinje da radi prvog Avgusta
- Arrows otpustio glavnog inženjera jer je pustio u javnost vest da
pregovaraju sa Barnardom, te je Ferari čuvši to produžio ugovor sa
njim.
- Šumaher opet ;) obara rekorde u Fjoranu, a na testovima u Barseloni
najbrži Vilnev (Vilijams već isterao auto za 1998. sezonu!), ali još
nije oboren rekord Mike Hakinena :)
- Dejmon Hil polako počinje da priča o prelasku u Meklaren 1998. Tamo
su već bivši glavni dizajner Vilijamsa Njui, i njegov bivši inžinjer
u Vilijamsu. Znam, rećićete "od toga nema ništa", ali tako je bilo
i sa Frencenom, pa evo ga u Vilijamsu...
- Mišelin verovatno dolazi 1999 u Prost, a pregovara sa Meklarenom i
Jordanom, a Jordan ima problema sa vozačima, koji i dalje
neće da se pomire. Povodom toga Edi Džordan je dao simpatičnu izjavu,
nešto u stilu "Preticaće ko i kad ja kažem" ;)
alesirad.txtauto-moto.490darth.vader,
>> Sredinom ovog meseca, na Trgu ce biti Bajagin
>> koncert u okviru promocije Zepter posudja...
>> Specijalni gost, Damon Hill?!
Ovo u viceve ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.491darth.vader,
>> - Dejmon Hil polako pocinje da prica o prelasku u Meklaren 1998. Tamo
>> su vec bivsi glavni dizajner Vilijamsa Njui, i njegov bivsi inzinjer
>> u Vilijamsu. Znam, recicete "od toga nema nista", ali tako je bilo
>> i sa Frencenom, pa evo ga u Vilijamsu...
NEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!
Nece valjda on da predje u McLaren ?!!? :(((((((((((((((((
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.492mmilosh,
> Sredinom ovog meseca, na Trgu će biti Bajagin
> koncert u okviru promocije Zepter posudja...
>
> Specijalni gost, Damon Hill?!
12.5. koliko se sećam.
auto-moto.494vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP Thursday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:21.188
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:21.330 0.142 0.142
3. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:21.445 0.115 0.257
4. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:21.463 0.018 0.275
5. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:21.573 0.110 0.385
6. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.675 0.102 0.487
7. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:21.885 0.210 0.697
8. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:21.939 0.054 0.751
9. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:21.962 0.023 0.774
10. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:22.010 0.048 0.822
11. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.020 0.010 0.832
12. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:22.072 0.052 0.884
13. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:22.370 0.298 1.182
14. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:22.383 0.013 1.195
15. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:22.622 0.239 1.434
16. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:23.056 0.434 1.868
17. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:23.096 0.040 1.908
18. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:23.483 0.387 2.295
19. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:23.810 0.327 2.622
20. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:25.178 1.368 3.990
21. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:25.350 0.172 4.162
107% of fastest time: 1:26.871
22. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:29.353 4.003 8.165
auto-moto.495vpoznanovic,
Monaco Grand Prix
from Monte Carlo, Monaco
8th May 1997 - 11th May 1997
Thursday, 8th May 1997 - Free Practice
11:00 - 12:00 CET
13:00 - 14:00 CET
Saturday, 10th May 1997 - Free Practice
9:00 - 9:45 CET
10:15 - 11:00 CET
Saturday, 10th May 1997 - Qualifying
13:00 - 14:00 CET
Sunday, 11th May 1997 - Warm-Up
10:00 - 10:30 CET
Sunday, 11th May 1997 - Race
14:30 CET
auto-moto.496vector,
Frentzen najbrzi na kvalifikacijama. Sumaher je drugi, a Villeneuve treci.
auto-moto.497vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP Saturday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:18.370
2. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.560 0.190 0.190
3. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:18.612 0.052 0.242
4. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.748 0.136 0.378
5. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:18.950 0.202 0.580
6. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:19.192 0.242 0.822
7. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:19.265 0.073 0.895
8. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:19.380 0.115 1.010
9. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:19.563 0.183 1.193
10. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:19.788 0.225 1.418
11. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:19.947 0.159 1.577
12. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:20.287 0.340 1.917
13. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:20.338 0.051 1.968
14. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:20.459 0.121 2.089
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:20.516 0.057 2.146
16. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:20.764 0.248 2.394
17. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:20.976 0.212 2.606
18. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:21.124 0.148 2.754
19. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:21.849 0.725 3.479
20. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:21.923 0.074 3.553
21. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:22.008 0.085 3.638
22. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:22.076 0.068 3.706
107% of fastest time: 1:23.855
auto-moto.498vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP Saturday Qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:18.216
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:18.235 0.019 0.019
3. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:18.583 0.348 0.367
4. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.665 0.082 0.449
5. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.779 0.114 0.563
6. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.943 0.164 0.727
7. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:19.105 0.162 0.889
8. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:19.119 0.014 0.903
9. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:19.263 0.144 1.047
10. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:19.295 0.032 1.079
11. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:19.468 0.173 1.252
12. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:19.626 0.158 1.410
13. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:19.674 0.048 1.458
14. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:19.694 0.020 1.478
15. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:19.723 0.029 1.507
16. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:19.860 0.137 1.644
17. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:20.199 0.339 1.983
18. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:20.349 0.150 2.133
19. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:20.516 0.167 2.300
20. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:20.606 0.090 2.390
21. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:20.961 0.355 2.745
22. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:21.290 0.329 3.074
107% of fastest time: 1:23.691
auto-moto.499pecanac,
Ovo je Monako, odozgo, sa pogledom na stazu, juče.
Slede slike sa treninga i trke.
p.s.
(bez ikakvog komentara, koga interesuje neće pogrešiti ako
download-uje sve slike, vredi, bar zbog Monaka ;)
monako97.jpgauto-moto.500pecanac,
Trening 1.
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Trening 2.
mo97tre2.jpgauto-moto.502pecanac,
Trening 3.
mo97tre3.jpgauto-moto.503pecanac,
Trening 4.
mo97tre4.jpgauto-moto.504pecanac,
Trka 1.
mo97trk1.jpgauto-moto.505pecanac,
Trka 2.
mo97trk2.jpgauto-moto.506pecanac,
Trka 3.
mo97trk3.jpgauto-moto.507pecanac,
Trka 4.
mo97trk4.jpgauto-moto.508pecanac,
Trka 5.
mo97trk5.jpgauto-moto.509pecanac,
Trka 6.
mo97trk6.jpgauto-moto.510vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP Sunday warmup
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.480
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:21.657 0.177 0.177
3. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:21.683 0.026 0.203
4. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:21.794 0.111 0.314
5. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:21.843 0.049 0.363
6. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.141 0.298 0.661
7. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:22.233 0.092 0.753
8. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:22.555 0.322 1.075
9. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:22.974 0.419 1.494
10. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:22.982 0.008 1.502
11. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:23.322 0.340 1.842
12. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:23.334 0.012 1.854
13. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:23.349 0.015 1.869
14. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:23.380 0.031 1.900
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:23.380 0.000 1.900
16. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:23.453 0.073 1.973
17. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:23.561 0.108 2.081
18. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:23.776 0.215 2.296
19. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:23.875 0.099 2.395
20. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:23.958 0.083 2.478
21. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:24.035 0.077 2.555
22. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:24.656 0.621 3.176
107% of fastest time: 1:27.184
auto-moto.511vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP results
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 2:00:05.654
2. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 +53.306
3. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari +1:22.118
4. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen +1:44.402
5. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 -1 lap
6. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot -1 lap
7. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 -1 lap
8. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 -2 laps
9. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault -2 laps
10. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart -2 laps
DNF Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault on lap 39 Spun
DNF Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen on lap 36 Spun
DNF Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas on lap 24 Spun
DNF Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault on lap 16 Spun
DNF Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault on lap 16 Spun
DNF Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot on lap 10 Spun
DNF Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas on lap 9 Spun
DNF Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart on lap 9 Spun
DNF Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes on lap 1 Accident
DNF David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes on lap 1 Spun
DNF Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha on lap 1 Spun
DNF Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha on lap 0 Spun
auto-moto.512vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP fastest laps
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:53.315
2. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:53.430 0.115 0.115
3. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:53.495 0.065 0.180
4. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:53.504 0.009 0.189
5. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:54.202 0.698 0.887
6. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:54.806 0.604 1.491
7. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:54.968 0.162 1.653
8. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:55.045 0.077 1.730
9. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:55.218 0.173 1.903
10. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:55.303 0.085 1.988
11. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:55.309 0.006 1.994
12. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:55.451 0.142 2.136
13. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:55.840 0.389 2.525
14. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:55.841 0.001 2.526
15. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:56.101 0.260 2.786
16. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:56.906 0.805 3.591
17. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1:56.940 0.034 3.625
18. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 2:00.038 3.098 6.723
19. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 2:15.201 15.163 21.886
20. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 2:15.786 0.585 22.471
21. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 2:17.648 1.862 24.333
22. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 0:00.000
107% of fastest time: 2:01.247
auto-moto.513vpoznanovic,
F1: Standings after Monaco GP
Drivers' Championship:
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Points
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 24
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 20
3. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 14
4. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 10
5. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 10
6. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 10
7. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 10
8. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 9
9. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 6
10. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 4
11. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 4
12. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 3
13. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 3
14. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 2
15. Nicola Larini I Sauber-Petronas 1
Constructors' Championship:
Pos Constructor Nat Points
----------------------------------------------
1. Ferrari I 38
2. Williams-Renault GB 30
3. McLaren-Mercedes GB 20
4. Benetton-Renault I 13
5. Prost-Mugen F 9
6. Jordan-Peugeot GB 8
7. Stewart-Ford GB 6
8. Sauber-Petronas CH 4
9. Tyrrell-Yamaha GB 2
auto-moto.514junior,
> F1: Monaco GP results
Može li neko da mi objasni _zašto_ je Williams krenuo sa
suvim gumama? Ono, jest' da je Šumaher zasluženo dobio,
i to me raduje (kao i činjenica da je Ferrari sad prvi),
al' trka ne da je bila dosadna bez Williamsa, nego smrt.
auto-moto.515vector,
Subject : C˙A˙R˙T, Rio De Janeiro
11. maja (u nedelju) se odrzala peta trka formule C˙A˙R˙T (bivsi Indy)
u Riu (Brazil).
Pol poziciju je osvojio Mauricio Gugelmin u PacWest/Mercedes bolidu sa
vremenom od 39.034 sekundi (171.912 MPH) ispred Roberta Morena (Newman
Hass). Znaci, 2 Brazilca u prvom redu. Gil De Ferran se takodje dobro
kvalifikovao ... tako da je puno ocekivanja od strane domace publike.
Ono sto je interesantno je cinjenica da je Bobby Rahal vodio tokom cele
trke, ali je u *zadnjem* krugu morao da se vrati u boks na dolivanje
goriva zbog nedostatka istog. Trku je nastavio i zavrsio, ali tek na 11.
poziciji. Zadnji put je pobedio u Nazaretu 1992. godine kada je bio i
sampion ispred Andretija za samo 4 poena.
Alex Zanardi, glavni konkurent za titulu pored Trejsija i Andretija, je
krenuo sa 28. pozicije, a trku je zavrsio na 4. mestu. Odlicna voznja
sa njegove strane.
PPG C˙A˙R˙T World Series, Rio De Janeiro
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Paul Tracy Penske/Mercedes
2. Greg Moore Reynard/Mercedes
3. Scott Pruett Reynard/Ford
4. Alex Zanardi Reynard/Honda
5. Raul Boesel Reynard/Ford
6. Bryan Herta Reynard/Ford
7. Al Unser, Jr Penske/Mercedes
8. Mark Blundell Reynard/Mercedes
9. Jimmy Vasser Reynard/Honda
10. Gil De Ferran Reynard/Honda
11. Bobby Rahal Reynard/Ford
12. Parker Jonhstone Reynard/Honda
auto-moto.516nigy,
>Moze li neko da mi objasni _zasto_ je Williams krenuo sa
>suvim gumama?
Pa ocekivali su da kisa nece pasti ponovo i da ce se staza prosusiti, i
da ce zbog toga ustedeti vreme ulaska u box za skidanje "kisnih" pneumatika.
Reskirali su i pukli. ;)
>al' trka ne da je bila dosadna bez Williamsa, nego smrt.
Da znas. Veoma je zanimljivo gledati celu trku bolid Williams-a na prvoj
poziciji! ;(
auto-moto.517darth.vader,
>> Moze li neko da mi objasni _zasto_ je Williams krenuo sa
>> suvim gumama? Ono, jest' da je Sumaher zasluzeno dobio,
Ukratko: Zajebali se posteno... ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.518vector,
˙˙˙ mislim da treba samo sacekati kisicu pa da GoodYear ode na zasluzeni
Odrzala se i ta, toliko ocekivana, trka na kisi. I sta smo videli ?
Nista. Bridgestone gume se nisu nesto narocito pokazale.
Po najbrzem krugu, Panis je tek na jedanaestom mestu.
auto-moto.519vpoznanovic,
F1: Monaco GP winners' press conference
Q. Congratulations, Michael, on making the race look
so easy today. Was it as straightforward as it
looked?
MS: Except on one occasion [when I went straight on at
Ste Devote], that was true: I had a good run from
the beginning on. We chose the right tyres, the
right setup, the right time to pit stop. Everything
was just perfect. There was a very important
decision just before we went out to the grid, when
we changed some details -- which finally worked.
Q. What happened in the incident at Ste Devote when
you went straight on with about ten laps to go?
MS: It was a struggle anyway to keep things together at
Ste Devote, because I was locking up the front
tyres. I could probably have made the corner, but
instead I decided to go straight on and have a
little spin, to enjoy myself, and then continue.
Q. Was there any question in your mind about possibly
using dry tyres, as some of the other drivers
decided to do?
MS: I thought about it, too, but I didn't see the
conditions changing and I didn't know other people
were making the change. In fact I was quite
surprised that anyone should make that decision. It
could have been right and it could have been wrong.
Q. What are your feelings about the next race on the
schedule, in Spain?
MS: To be honest, I would prefer to cancel Spain
because it is not a circuit which suits our car!
Now that I have opened out a small gap, I suppose I
can afford just to go for a finish in the points
and still look good. After that race, though, I
believe we will be looking reasonably good for the
rest of the season. But Spain will definitely be
tough, so I just have to do my best.
Q. Rubens, this is the first-ever race finish for
Stewart Grand Prix and your first podium since
Canada in 1995. Are you surprised to be here?
RB: I suppose I am surprised, to be honest. But I am
glad for this great team. They did a great job,
they put everything together, and the car is very
good. The wet gave us our best chance to be on the
podium. At one stage when I was 2nd I saw that I
was 28 seconds behind Michael, I could hardly
believe it. For the last two laps I thought, 'Jeez,
I don't know how to drive anymore,' because I was
concentrating so hard and I was so determined
to bring the car home. It was quite tough.
Q. Your team boss Jackie Stewart won here three times.
What advice did he give you?
RB: He kept telling me that the white lines were
dangerous! This is a great moment for me. We
haven't done too much testing There have been
reliability problems, too, and until today we had
no idea whether we could finish. It is great to see
the other car finishing as well. It was hard to
keep my concentration in the final minutes, too,
when we didn't know how many minutes of racing were
left.
Q. You had a good fight with the Jordans at the
beginning. What happened there?
RB: My tyres were working very well at the beginning
and they [Jordan] were having trouble at one stage,
because I passed Fisichella going down to the
chicane. Then Ralf ran wide, at Portier I think,
and I overtook him. But it was a fair battle. At
one stage I was trying to get close to Michael. But
the gap [between us] wasn't going down and then I
made a mistake and at the chicane and ran straight
on. After that my car was touching the ground a bit
harder, so I decided to keep on going because the
gap to Fisichella was increasing at one second a
lap.
Q. Eddie, after qualifying so far back, you must be
very happy to have come through to score a third
consecutive podium finish ...
EI: Oh, yes. It was unexpected, but I got a reasonably
good start and picked up two or three places. After
that there were people running wide, so I was able
to nip through. Everything was running pretty much
to plan. At one stage I was close behind Rubens,
and there was a possibility of finishing the race
without putting fuel in, so we were wondering
whether we should go for 2nd place. But we decided
to settle for 3rd. So I came in to put in a little
fuel and off I went again.
Q. How bad were the driving conditions?
EI: The biggest problem for me today was that the idle
[speed of the engine] had been set too high to get
around Loews. Almost every lap I had to pull the
clutch in and coast round the corner, then let the
clutch out again. A couple of times the engine was
pushing me on and I didn't think I was going to
make it round the corner. That was really the only
worry I had all race.
Q. Those early laps must have been lively for you ...
EI: Oh, it was chaotic! I was hitting people up the
rear, I was being hit from the rear and even from
the side. The Ferrari must be a very strong car,
but it survived all that. God knows how many
contacts I was getting in the first five or six
laps. But we came through it and climbed up through
the field from 15th place.
auto-moto.520space.ace,
> Nista. Bridgestone gume se nisu nesto narocito pokazale.
Kako nisu??? Pokazale su se odlično; moliću: koji je poredak bio i ko
je vozio koje gume?
> Po najbrzem krugu, Panis je tek na jedanaestom mestu.
To ne dokazuje ništa. Panis ne zna da vozi, šta ćemo sad? Sve u svemu,
videće se do kraja sezone koje su gume bolje, a tek sledeće godine kad
dođe i Michelin, biće GoodYear-u prpa.
auto-moto.521vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Mugello ITA 125cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA Aprilia 40:40.093
2. Jorge Martinez SPA Aprilia 3.311
3. Garry McCoy AUS Aprilia 3.313
4. Noboru Ueda JPN Honda 3.380
5. Tomomi Manako JPN Honda 3.394
6. Kazuto Sakata JPN Aprilia 3.397
7. Masaki Tokudome JPN Aprilia 3.887
8. Lucio Cecchinello ITA Honda 7.595
9. Frederic Petit FRA Honda 17.577
10. Youichi Ui JPN Yamaha 17.619
11. Masao Azuma JPN Honda 37.303
12. Gianluigi Scalvini ITA Honda 37.403
13. Ivan Goi ITA Aprilia 37.431
14. Roberto Locatelli ITA Honda 37.479
15. Yoshiaki Katoh JPN Yamaha 37.509
16. Mirko Giansanti ITA Honda 37.803
Championship Points
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA 75
2. Noboru Ueda JPN 74
3. Kazuto Sakata JPN 59
4. Jorge Martinez SPA 57
5. Masaki Tokudome JPN 36
6. Tomomi Manako JPN 35
7. Masao Azuma JPN 29
8. Garry McCoy AUS 25
9. Yoshiaki Katoh JPN 25
10. Frederic Petit FRA 23
Rossi je dominirao od samog pocetka trke kada je i stvorio, za ostale
nedostiznu, razliku od 3-4 sekunde. Ovo mu je cetvrta pobeda u karijeri
u klasi od 125cc. Najveci favorit za titulu ove godine.
auto-moto.522vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Mugello ITA 250cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Max Biaggi ITA Honda 40:47.548
2. Marcellino Lucchi ITA Aprilia 0.050
3. Loris Capirossi ITA Aprilia 0.068
4. Ralf Waldmann GER Honda 4.174
5. Olivier Jacque FRA Honda 19.185
6. Noriyasu Numata JPN Suzuki 43.619
7. Stefano Perugini ITA Aprilia 51.447
8. Jamie Robinson GBR Suzuki 51.552
9. Jeremy McWilliams GBR Honda 54.271
10. Sebastian Porto ARG Aprilia 55.006
11. Luis D'Antin SPA Yamaha 55.106
12. Luca Boscoscuro ITA Honda 55.983
13. Franco Battaini ITA Yamaha 56.734
14. Haruchika Aoki JPN Honda 57.503
15. Osamu Miyazaki JPN Yamaha 1:12.080
16. Olivier Petrucciani SUI Aprilia 1:28.701
Championship Points
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Max Biaggi ITA 75
2. Ralf Waldmann GER 62
3. Tetsuya Harada JPN 56
4. Olivier Jacque FRA 36
5. Haruchika Aoki JPN 32
6. Tohru Ukawa JPN 30
7. Noriyasu Numata JPN 27
8. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN 26
9. Daijiro Kato JPN 25
10. Loris Capirossi ITA 21
Biaggi je po drugi put ove sezone pobedio pred domacom publikom ispred
2 vozaca Aprilije, Lucchija i Capirossija. Lucchi je, inace, test vozac
Aprilije i cele godine testira na ovoj stazi, medjutim, ni to Apriliji
nije bilo dovoljno da odnese pobedu. Biaggi ih je na relativno slabijem
motoru pobedio.
Ukratko, ovo je bila fenomenalna trka. Ko nije gledao, neka se obavezno
potrudi da odgleda reprizu (bice na 3. kanalu verovatno). Sigurno nece
zazaliti.
PS. I Lucchi i Capirossi su bili poprilicno ljuti posle trke jer ih je
Biaggi pobedio. Lucchi cak ni kapu nije hteo da skine dok je svirana
italijanska himna.
auto-moto.523vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Mugello ITA 500cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 44:06.442
2. Luca Cadalora ITA Yamaha 10.056
3. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Honda 17.349
4. Alex Criville SPA Honda 19.145
5. Daryl Beattie AUS Suzuki 21.089
6. Alex Barros BRA Honda 21.393
7. Norifumi Abe JPN Yamaha 29.190
8. Jean Michel Bayle FRA ModenasKR3 29.414
9. Sete Gibernau SPA Yamaha 30.704
10. Regis Laconi FRA Honda 37.012
11. Doriano Romboni ITA Aprilia 51.222
12. Troy Corser AUS Yamaha 1:25.556
13. Anthony Gobert AUS Suzuki 1:33.610
14. Kirk McCarthy AUS ROCYamaha 1:43.717
15. Lucio Pedercini ITA ROCYamaha 1:56.633
16. Laurent Naveau BEL ROCYamaha 1 lap
Trka nije bila nesto narocito zanimljiva (za razliku od 250cc trke).
Alex Criville je negde izleteo (izvan staze) pa se vratio negde oko 12.
mesta i nije imao vise nikakve sanse da dostigne Doohana, koji je odneo
glatku pobedu.
Okada se, inace, povredio tako da je morao da odustane.
auto-moto.524junior,
> (bez ikakvog komentara, koga interesuje neće pogrešiti ako
> download-uje sve slike, vredi, bar zbog Monaka ;)
Vrede, naravno ;) Ali mene zanima, zašto šalješ tipske slike?
Recimo, iz Brazila, slao si Mclaren, sad (Monaco), skoro su sve slike Benetona
... Ako već dovlačiš sa Interneta :), bilo bi lepo da dobijemo slike pobednika.
Oni su ih i najviše zaslužili, zar ne?
auto-moto.525pecanac,
> Oni su ih i najviše zaslužili, zar ne?
Tačno, ali na ovim sajtovima najpre postave slike (u toku noći). O:)
Kasnije je već aktuelna druga trka, pa me mrzi da skidam 'stare' slike.
Btw, nešto nisam ni primetio slike po drugim stranama (oficijelnim),
ustvari, nisam baš nešto ni tražio, na Wilijamsu nema (?) itd.
Ako znate neku ekipu F1 koja je i na intu ažurna, recite. (ili, skinite
slike - ne ljutim se :)
I, kad sam već ovde, znate li šta je neki tip pitao Hill-a pre neki dan,
na promociji:
- ...Šta mislite o Flojdu iz 'Nacionalne klase' ?
:)))
auto-moto.526darth.vader,
>> Recimo, iz Brazila, slao si Mclaren, sad (Monaco), skoro su sve slike
>> Benetona ... Ako vec dovlacis sa Interneta :), bilo bi lepo da dobijemo
>> slike pobednika. Oni su ih i najvise zasluzili, zar ne?
Kad smo vec kod ovoga, moram i ja da reply-ujem ;)
A zasto samo pobednika ? Zasto ne sto vise razlicitih bolida ? :)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.527supers,
>> I, kad sam već ovde, znate li šta je neki tip pitao Hill-a pre neki
>> dan, na promociji:
>>
>> - ...Šta mislite o Flojdu iz 'Nacionalne klase' ?
Beograđani su Hila pitali još i ovo: da li će svirati gitaru na
Bajaginom koncertu, za koga navija u Premier ligi, da li bi hteo da
ustane i podigne tri prsta da ga slikaju (nije hteo).
Hil se trudio da ostane dobro raspoložen i da odgovara onim engleskim
humorom. Čoveku koji je pitao kako da uđe u njegov mehaničarski tim
rekao je "Ponesi ključeve, dođi u Budimpeštu pa ćemo videti"...
Pri kraju je ipak delovao malo smoreno, naročito kada su počela pitanja
o Flojdu i slična.
Jedna devojka je pritrčala i poljubila Pedra Diniza, "najlepšeg na svetu",
niko nije pokušao da poljubi Hila ;) ali je stampedo za autograme na
kraju ove improvizovane konferencije za štampu bio fantastičan.
Andreja Kulundžića su pitali na kakav je to zejtin naleteo kad je slupao
BMW-a, a trinaestostrukog rekordera u skoku s motkom Sergeja Bupku niko
nije primećivao. Sve u svemu duhovitih sat vremena u dvorištu Rektorata.
auto-moto.528vpoznanovic,
Formula One Inc.
Monday May 19, 1997
An article by Frank Kane and Rupert Steiner in The Sunday Times
reported that Bernie Ecclestone has plans to bring Formula One to the
stock market in time for the British Grand Prix with a price tag
between 1.5 to 2 billion pounds.
The procedure for making Formula One public is being handled by
Salomon Brothers, a U.S. investment banking firm. One stockbroker was
quoted as saying, "it's on a very tight timetable." A confidential
meeting was held last week and final arrangements were being settled
and a announcement could be made within days regarding the new
organization. Salomon Brothers recently gave the first detailed
financial forecasts for Ecclestone and his new company, Formula One
Holdings. Turnover for this year is estimated at ú200 million, giving
a pre-tax profit of ú85 million.
Reportedly, there are several changes in place since the first
announcement on flotation. 50% of the shares will go public. Formula
One Holdings will receive 30% of shares. The rest of the shares will
be divided up between teams and track operators.
In a major move, Formula One Holdings has lured Helmut Werner, former
head of Mercedes-Benz, as chairman. Ecclestone will be chief
executive. Other appointments include Marco Piccinini (sporting
director of Ferrari) as deputy chief executive and David Wilson
(formerly of Ladbroke) as finance director. Robert Rowley (Reuters'
financial director) and Walter Thoma (European head of Philip Morris)
are also included at Formula One Holdings as non-executive directors.
In The Sunday Times article, Ecclestone was quoted saying, "It's all
progressing nicely and we should have an announcement within the
month. I've been going through thousands of meetings with City
(London's term for its "Wall Street") people and have come away
thinking: 'don't float unless you want to get aggravated.' ...We are
restructuring the way business will be run, away from its
entrepreneurial basis towards a more transparent business."
Previously, the workings for going public were stalled when Formula
One teams were disputing the revised Concorde Agreement. Ecclestone
stated, "there is no problem with the teams as we have resolved the
dispute and got them united -- it was just some people with large
egos. We are negotiating for the teams and promoters to be
shareholders." Ecclestone also plans to expand Formula One to Korea
and Malaysia next year with China to join later. With these moves,
Ecclestone hopes to encourage more drivers from Asia in boosting
sponsorship and viewership in those areas.
Ecclestone also is planning the expansion of Formula One Promotions
which will include an ambitious merchandising program. He believes the
brand value of the Formula One name can generate a theme of
restaurants, not unlike the Hard Rock Cafe. "We have been forming a
base to expand the merchandising and develop the brand. ...We have
also managed to expand our core business -- The number of Grands Prix
staged around the world. I have been saying we should 'move east young
man', and we are going to be in China, and next year Korea and
Malaysia. Things are going nicely for an impending announcement."
The valuation of Formula One Holdings will eventually depend on the
pay-per-view scheme for the sport. This would include viewers to
switch between in-car cameras much like DF1 (Digital Formula One)
subscribers in Germany are privy to. Major flotation of Formula One
will exist in London and Frankfurt as the chief markets. Consideration
for a Wall Street listing is also being given.
During the Grand Prix of Monaco, British fund managers were courted by
Formula One when City experts were flown out as Ecclestone's guests. A
similar arrangement will occur for this Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix.
auto-moto.529vpoznanovic,
Spanish Grand Prix
from Barcelona, Spain
23rd May 1997 - 25th May 1997
Friday 23rd May
1st Free Practice (11:00 - 12:00)
2nd Free Practice (13:00 - 14:00)
Saturday 24th May
3rd Free Practice (9:00 - 9:45)
4th Free Practice (10:15 - 11:00)
Qualifying (13:00 - 14:00)
Sunday 25th May
Warm-up (9:30 - 10:00)
Race (14:00)
auto-moto.530vpoznanovic,
F1: Spanish GP Friday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:19.566
2. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:19.766 0.200 0.200
3. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:20.198 0.432 0.632
4. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:20.537 0.339 0.971
5. Gerhard Berger A Benetton-Renault 1:20.933 0.396 1.367
6. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.312 0.379 1.746
7. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:21.319 0.007 1.753
8. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:21.379 0.060 1.813
9. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.421 0.042 1.855
10. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:21.423 0.002 1.857
11. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen 1:21.636 0.213 2.070
12. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:21.887 0.251 2.321
13. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:22.839 0.952 3.273
14. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:22.849 0.010 3.283
15. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:22.892 0.043 3.326
16. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:23.191 0.299 3.625
17. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:23.209 0.018 3.643
18. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:23.246 0.037 3.680
19. Gianni Morbidelli I Sauber-Petronas 1:23.451 0.205 3.885
20. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:23.592 0.141 4.026
21. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:25.049 1.457 5.483
22. Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart 1:25.064 0.015 5.498
107% of fastest time: 1:25.135
auto-moto.531vector,
Subject: C˙A˙R˙T, kvalifikacije (Madison)
Raul Boesel je osvojio pol poziciju na danasnjem kvalifikacionom
treningu, na novoj stazi Madison (Motorola 300), sa vremenom od
24.324 sekunde i prosecnom brzinom od 187.963 MPH. Ovo mu je, cini
mi se, treca pol pozicija u karijeri.
Od Zanardija i Andretija se vise ocekivalo, iako su obojica imali
problema sa podesavanjem bolida na, za njih, novoj stazi.
PPG C˙A˙R˙T World Series Qualifying
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Raul Boesel Reynard/Ford 187.963 MPH
2. Paul Tracy Penske/Mercedes 187.739 MPH
3. Mauricio Gugelmin Reynard/Mercedes 187.577 MPH
4. Greg Moore Reynard/Mercedes 186.643 MPH
5. Patrick Carpentier Reynard/Mercedes 186.263 MPH
6. Al Unser, Jr Penske/Mercedes 186.035 MPH
7. Parker Johnstone Reynard/Honda 185.748 MPH
8. Dario Franchitti Reynard/Mercedes 185.139 MPH
9. Jimmy Vasser Reynard/Honda 185.086 MPH
10. Alex Zanardi Reynard/Honda 184.907 MPH
auto-moto.532vector,
Na danasnjim kvalifikacijama u Barseloni najbrzi je bio Jacques
Villeneuve ispred Frentzena, Coultharda i Alesija. Schumacher je
zavrsio na, koliko se secam, sedmom mestu.
auto-moto.533pecanac,
> F1: Spanish GP Friday Free Practice
A evo kako je Dejvid Kultard došao juče na trening - biciklom...
spatre1.jpgauto-moto.534pecanac,
...na brzinu se presvukao i izleteo iz boxa brzinom svetlosti ;)
...čak se i snimatelj našao iznenađen.
spatre2.jpgauto-moto.535obren,
Rezultati kvalifikacija...
Pl Driver Team Time Avr. Speed
1. VILLENEUVE Williams 1'16"525 222.37 km/h
2. FRENTZEN Williams 1'16"791 221.60 km/h
3. COULTHARD McLaren 1'17"521 219.52 km/h
4. ALESI Benetton 1'17"717 218.96 km/h
5. HAKKINEN McLaren 1'17"737 218.91 km/h
6. BERGER Benetton 1'18"041 218.05 km/h
7. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1'18"313 217.30 km/h
8. FISICHELLA Jordan 1'18"385 217.10 km/h
9. R.SCHUMACHER Jordan 1'18"423 216.99 km/h
10. HERBERT Sauber 1'18"494 216.80 km/h
11. IRVINE Ferrari 1'18"873 215.75 km/h
12. PANIS Prost 1'19"157 214.98 km/h
13. MORBIDELLI Sauber 1'19"323 214.53 km/h
14. SALO Tyrrell 1'20"079 212.51 km/h
15. HILL Arrows 1'20"089 212.48 km/h
16. NAKANO Prost 1'20"103 212.44 km/h
17. BARRICHELLO Stewart 1'20"255 212.04 km/h
18. TRULLI Minardi 1'20"452 211.52 km/h
19. VERSTAPPEN Tyrrell 1'20"582 211.18 km/h
20. KATAYAMA Minardi 1'20"672 210.94 km/h
21. DINIZ Arrows 1'21"029 210.01 km/h
22. MAGNUSSEN Stewart 1'21"060 209.93 km/h
auto-moto.536vector,
Subject: C˙A˙R˙T, Madison (Motorola 300) rezultati trke
Fenomenalna trka. :) Jednostavno receno, ko nije gledao, neka se
*obavezno* potrudi da odgleda reprizu. Ovo je stvarno neponovljivo !
Zanardi i Vasser su sve vreme bili u prvih 5, jedno vreme (ustvari,
dobar deo krugova :) i na prvom i drugom mestu, dok ih je tokom citave
trke pratio Greg Moore, koji je imao nekih problema sa bolidom pa je
morao dodatno da svrati u boks i tako izgubio sansu za pobedom.
Trejsi je fenomenalno vozio i u zadnja 3-4 kruga je prestigao vodecu
trojicu, Carpentiera, Zanardija i De Ferrana. Prosto neverovatno. :)
Trejsi, 3 puna zaredom pobedjuje ...
PPG C˙A˙R˙T World Series, Rezultati trke
──────────────────────────────────────────
1. Paul Tracy Penske/Mercedes
2. Patrick Carpentier Reynard/Mercedes
3. Gil De Ferran Reynard/Honda
4. Alex Zanardi Reynard/Honda
5. Jimmy Vasser Reynard/Honda
6. Mauricio Gugelmin Reynard/Mercedes
7. Parker Johnstone Reynard/Honda
8. Adrian Fernandez Lola/Honda
9. Richie Hearn Lola/Ford
10. Andre Ribeiro Lola/Honda
11. Michael Andretti Swift/Ford
12. Gualter Salles Reynard/Ford
PPG C˙A˙R˙T World Series, Poeni
────────────────────────────────
1. Paul Tracy 85
2. Alex Zanardi 67
3. Scott Pruett 61
4. Michael Andretti 54
5. Greg Moore 44
6. Jimmy Vasser 43
auto-moto.537obren,
Ale-aleeee!! :) (: :) (:
Olivier Panis je (od sve vlasti ;) osvojio 2. mesto iako je
startovao 12. Inače, držao je i fastest lap sve do pretposlednjeg
kruga! :) Majstor! ;)
Izvin'te ali moram malo da se palim... ;)
auto-moto.538vector,
:) Ma najvaznije je to da je Alezi zavrsio trku na 3. mestu. Steta sto
nije obisao Panisa. ;)
auto-moto.539obren,
> :) Ma najvažnije je to da je Alezi završio trku na 3. mestu. Šteta što
> nije obišao Panisa. ;)
Da, da, Panis je baš bio ugrožen od Alezija ;) Da nije bilo onog skota
Irvajna (nadam se da će ga i dodatno kazniti pored onih 10 sekundi!)
video bi ga Alezi na konferenciji za štampu ;) Ipak Žan je dobro vozio,
to ne poričem.
Moram još naglasiti da je Panis sada treći na tabeli, ili što bi rekla
stara narodna poslovica - HONDA ruleZ!
Još kad bi Prost šutnuo "Š" Nakano-a i doveo nekog dobrog vozača...
Gde bi im kraj bio... Čuju se neke varijante sa Hilom pošto je čovek
popizdeo zbog pucanja Arrowsa, ali i Nakano je je*en igrač - izgleda
da je zet nekome u Hondi :))) Ne isterava se on tako lako iz tima ;)
Nego, videste li vi da su sva trojica na postolju Francuzi? :)
auto-moto.540junior,
> Gde bi im kraj bio... Čuju se neke varijante sa Hilom pošto je
> čovek popizdeo zbog pucanja Arrowsa, ali i Nakano je je*en
Da li mogu u toku sezone da se raskidaju ugovori/potpisuju novi?
auto-moto.541djanjusevic,
>>
>> Trejsi je fenomenalno vozio i u zadnja 3-4 kruga je prestigao vodecu
>> trojicu, Carpentiera, Zanardija i De Ferrana. Prosto neverovatno. :)
>> Trejsi, 3 puna zaredom pobedjuje ...
Eh, da je pala kisa ... ;)
auto-moto.542vector,
˙˙˙ Da, da, Panis je bas bio ugrozen od Alezija ;) Da nije bilo onog skota
˙˙˙ Irvajna (nadam se da ce ga i dodatno kazniti pored onih 10 sekundi!)
˙˙˙ video bi ga Alezi na konferenciji za stampu ;)
Zasto ga ne bi video na konferenciji za stampu ?!
Nisam primetio na koju je taktiku isao Panis. Koliko ulazaka u boks ?
BTW, jel neko primetio kako se Alezi nervirao pred kraj trke ? :)
auto-moto.544vector,
˙˙˙ Eh, da je pala kisa ... ;)
Da je pala kisa, Andretti bi dobio trku. (mada, sve mi se cini, da su
oni iz Newman/Haas ocekivali kisu i da zato Michael nije isao u boks
kada je trebalo ;) (mada je, ipak, imao goriva za jos dosta krugova)
BTW, sta se desilo sa njim na kraju trke ? Odjednom je poceo naglo da
usporava, pa su ga prestigli, prvo Vasser, zatim Tracy i Moore, kao i
svi ostali. Problemi sa gumama ?
Zanimljivo je da je Zanardi rekao da ce Andretti da bude glavni kandidat
za titulu ove godine, a *ne* Tracy. Heh, videcemo Trejsija kada prodje
ova "serija" ovalnih staza i predjemo na 'road' i 'street' staze, gde ce
(po meni) Zanardi i De Ferran, a mozda i Andretti, da dominiraju, "but
let's wait and see". Ja tipujem na Zanardija (iako Reynard/Honda/F vise
nije najjaca kombinacija ;).
˙Ł˙
auto-moto.545obren,
> Da li mogu u toku sezone da se raskidaju ugovori/potpisuju novi?
Pa valjda je to kao i sa svakim ugovorom - ako se obe ugovorne strane
slože onda nema problema (mislim ovde konkretno na Hila i Vokingšoua).
Što se tiče uopšte uletanja novih vozača u sred sezone, tu tek ne bi
trebalo da ima problema. Seti se Mensela i njegovog dolaska u Vilijams
pred kraj sezone, na primer.
auto-moto.546obren,
> Zašto ga ne bi video na konferenciji za štampu ?!
Pa nisam na to mislio :) Rekao sam da bi mu Panis nestao iz vidnog
polja da ga nije kočio Irvajn, pa bi ga Alezi video ponovo tek na
onoj konferenciji za štampu. Šala bre... ;)
> Nisam primetio na koju je taktiku isao Panis. Koliko ulazaka u boks ?
Ako se ne varam - jednom.
> BTW, jel neko primetio kako se Alezi nervirao pred kraj trke ? :)
Da, mahao je Irvajnu da se skloni već jednom. U prvi mah sam mislio da
nešto poručuje Šumaheru iza sebe ;) ali posle shvatim što je popizdeo...
auto-moto.547obren,
> Nisam primetio na koju je taktiku isao Panis. Koliko ulazaka u boks ?
Ipak je dva puta...
> Lap 25 Pits: Panis - 7.8s
> Lap 44 Pits: Panis - 7.6s
auto-moto.548obren,
Spanish Grand Prix report:
The drama began with Berger stalling at the start of the parade lap. He
got going, and looked set to rejoin the grid in last place, however Ralf
Schumacher managed to stall on the grid and caused the start to be
aborted. Berger was therefore allowed back in his place, and Ralf would
go to the back. Except due to an error he wasn't held back on the new
parade lap, and so was held back after giving him a radio signal.
The drama continued at the new start with Villeneuve away well, but
Coulthard did it better and charged up the inside (with Michael
Schumacher also doing the same) and almost managing to take the lead at
the first corner. That Coulthard didn't quite do it was more amazing
than the fact he was even in a position to try! It unsettled Coulthard,
allowing Schumacher to take second. Frentzen was already falling back,
and was in an uninspiring 6th place. Ahead of him was Alesi and
Hakkinen. Coulthard continued to battle with Schumacher, and it was
clear that the Germans car was somewhat slower than the McLaren (4
clicks on the main straight). After a long time of absence from Grand
Prix racing Morbidelli (replacing Larini) had jumped the start and so
was pit bound for a stop/go penalty.
After a few laps trying to get past Schumacher the McLaren edged closer
and closer, and made its move on the main straight, Coulthard took
advantage of his straightline speed advantage and got by Schumacher by
the corner at the end of the straight. Coulthard could now charge after
Villeneuve. Or that was what was expected, but the McLaren team had
other ideas, and Coulthard was soon pit bound for his first pit stop.
Schumacher followed into the pits, and so it was a race of mechanics.
The McLaren team won the race, but a nasty collision between Schumacher,
Alesi and Coulthard was only narrowly avoided. Hakkinen soon pitted
also. The Arrows of Damon Hill now found itself up in the points, but
that was as far as it went, with the Arrows pulling off by the pit wall
with a blown engine - 0/6 for the Hill-Arrows combination this year. On
the way back to Arrows, Hill took the most direct route - straight
through the Williams pit. Apparantly Hill gave a wink as he walked past
Frank. Frank didn't acknowledge him and continued to stare at the pit
monitor. By the end of 21 most of the first round of stops had been
completed, and Villeneuve found himself with 3.7 seconds over Coulthard,
with Panis, Hakkinen, Alesi and Schumacher behind. Frentzen, meanwhile,
was languishing in an undistinguished 9th place - his Williams shredding
tyres like there was no tommorow.
On lap 26 Panis pitted, and was the last person to do so for the first
round. Williams were also ready for a second stop for Frentzen.
Remember, this was lap 26 of 64, and already two stops were needed.
Frentzens tyres were covered in massive blisters. Schumacher and Alesi
were having a fight, and also managed to get past Hakkinen in the
process. Hakkinen pitted for new tyres, his teammate Coulthard likewise
soon pitted. The Goodyears were not having a good day. The pit stops
continued with most of the front Goodyear runners needing to stop. On
lap 33, Trulli came in for a new nose - a major difference to the other
teams pit work.
Salo also was having problems with his tyres. His were not blistering
but blowing, with the left rear tyre shredding itself. Panis was now
running in 4th place, and was all over the McLaren of Coulthard. He
outbreaked the Englishman at the end of the pit straight and into third.
Panis looked the major threat to the Williams. Frentzen was pit bound
again to shed another set of blistered Goodyears. Coulthard also stopped
for his third stop in 40 laps. Berger also pitted. Villeneuve also
pitted, but only for his second stop. His Williams was in a different
class to Frentzens. On lap 45 the order was Schumacher, Villeneuve,
Panis, Alesi, Herbert and Coulthard. This was rectified on the next lap
as Schumacher pitted to drop the German to 4th. Panis was now a real
challenge to the Williams, running a good second a lap faster, and then
Panis started taking 1.3 second chunks out. It looked like we might just
get a race.
Traffic soon put paid to that idea, with Panis stuck, but now Alesi was
in pursuit. Panis was stuck behind Ralf Schumacher for what seemed
forever. Finally he got by, only to be caught in traffic again - scratch
that bright idea. Alesi was now on Panis' tail, as they were stuck
behind the Ferrari of Irvine. It was a total coincidence that Schumacher
was charging after Alesi...... Finally after a long time Panis got
through, as did Alesi. Schumacher had no problem getting past his team
mate. A few laps later it was Schumachers turn to be stuck behind
someone - Jos Verstappen. Irvine received a ten second stop-go penalty
for blocking. Justice was done, though too late as it robbed us of a
chance of a battle for the lead. And so Villeneuve continued to take the
win, never really bothered, in a race where others couldn't make their
rubber last, yet Villeneuve and the Bridgestone runners could make it
last as long as they wanted.
1. Villeneuve
2. Panis
3. Alesi
4. M Schumacher
5. Herbert
6. Coulthard
7. Hakkinen
8. Frentzen
9. Fisichella
10. Berger
11. Verstappen
12. Irvine
13. Magnussen
14. Morbidelli
15. Trulli
auto-moto.549obren,
Formula 1: Spanish Grand Prix (Sun May-25 10.00h CET)
Villeneuve hotest
-----------------
Jacques Villeneuve was fastest in today's Warm Up session for the
Spanish Grand Prix. Ralf Schumacher was second fastest followed by Mika
Hakkinen.
The weather was grey and overcast for the session this morning. It has
not actually rained yet, but everyone expects it soon. In the 30
minutes session Villeneuve ran 12 laps and was the only one under 1m
20s. Most other drivers ran between 14 and 18 laps except Verstappen who
only completed 5.
The Minardi of Trulli suffered a mechanical problem and retired on
track. The two Ferraris are still looking unhappy and were 10th and
14th fastest.
After the qualifying session yesterday many drivers talked about their
ups and downs. Jacques Villeneuve was very happy to have taken his 8th
F1 pole. Frentzen was not happy and felt that his third set of tyres and
some aerodynamic problems had upset his last fast laps.
Michael Schumacher said that his car felt well balanced and improved
since their test sessions, but still had many aerodynamic problems on
this track. 7th is his worst starting position since joining Ferrari.
Eddie Irvine said his problems had gone from oversteer in the morning to
understeer in the afternoon!
Both Panis and Diniz were critical of the Bridgestone tyres and just
about everyone was worried about tyre wear at this circuit. Mika Salo
was relieved with his 14th spot on the grid, having spent 35 minutes of
the qualifying sitting in the garage with accelerator problems.
Verstappen ran the entire qualifying in the spare car because of
problems fitting the engine in his. Nakano felt he could have gone
another half second faster due to his knowledge of the track and the way
the car has improved - it just never came. Gerhard Berger pulled into
the pits to find part of someone's visor stuck in his tyre.
auto-moto.550obren,
Pregled jučerašnje trke...
The French Formula 1 community were all very happy today as the top 3
places in this afternoon's Spanish Grand Prix were taken by French
speaking drivers. Jacques Villeneuve took his third victory of the
season followed by Olivier Panis and Jean Alesi.
On a day when rain was expected but never appeared, the first incidents
of the day came before the start. First Gerhard Berger stalled at the
start of the Warm-Up lap and was all ready to start from the back of the
grid, when Ralf Schumacher stalled before the lights changed - start
halted. Gerhard was back in 6th place for the second warm up lap but
this time Ralf dropped back and began the race from the back of the
grid.
Brother Michael had no such problems, he jumped from 7th to 3rd before
the first corner. Coulthard lead into the corner closely followed by
Villeneuve. But not for long - a mistake let Jacques and Michael past
and so we were set for the first section of the race. Jacques continued
to pull away whilst a frustrated Coulthard lead Alesi and Hakkinen on
the tail of the slower Ferrari.
Coulthard dived past Schumacher at the end of the start straight on lap
13 and then began the mass exodus into the pits. Jacques meanwhile was
nearly 20s in front. 8 laps later the pits were quiet again (apart from
Hill banging his head on the wall - after retiring on lap 18) with all
the major players having passed through. Villeneuve lead, Coulthard
second and Michael Schumacher had dropped to 6th.
By lap 56 everyone had been through the pits again, a few drivers had
joined Damon, Mika Salo was in the gravel after a rear tyre exploded and
it had still not rained. Jacques was still in the lead (had even lapped
teammate Frentzen) followed 13s later by Panis, Alesi and M.Schumacher
in a tight group. The chasers came into traffic and the Ferrari of
Eddie Irvine (in 11th) caused some excitement as he seemed to block
those in front of his teammate. Finally everyone passed without incident,
apart from Irvine who received a 10s Stop-in-the-Pits penalty.
Villeneuve went on to win and Herbert crept past Coulthard in the last
few laps to take 5th place behind Michael and the two French drivers.
auto-moto.551obren,
Pregled trke po krugovima:
Weather: Overcast but dry
Lap Event
0 Grid Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) H.Frentzen
(3) D.Coulthard (4) M.Hakkinen
(5) J.Alesi (6) G.Berger
0 Warm up lap started
0 Berger stalled - will start from back of grid
0 Start Halted due to Ralf Schumacher stalled
0 2nd Warm Up lap started - Berger back on grid
0 1st corner: Coulthard, Villeneuve, M.Schumacher
1 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) M.Schumacher
(3) D.Coulthard (4) J.Alesi
(5) M.Hakkinen (6) H.Frentzen
3 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->0.738s->(2) M.Schumacher
->0.524s->(3) D.Coulthard->1.007s->(4) J.Alesi
->0.588s->(5) M.Hakkinen->1.375s->(6) H.Frentzen
3 Fastest lap: Alesi - 1m 23.417s
4 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->1.307s->(2) M.Schumacher
->0.458s->(3) D.Coulthard->1.171s->(4) J.Alesi
->0.556s->(5) M.Hakkinen->1.618s->(6) H.Frentzen
5 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->1.500s->(2) M.Schumacher
->0.560s->(3) D.Coulthard->1.467s->(4) J.Alesi
->0.834s->(5) M.Hakkinen->1.578s->(6) H.Frentzen
7 Fastest lap: Villeneuve 1m 22.617s
7 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->3.460s->(2) M.Schumacher
->0.379s->(3) D.Coulthard->1.290s->(4) J.Alesi
->0.709s->(5) M.Hakkinen->2.119s->(6) H.Frentzen
8 10s jump start penalty - Morbidelli
9 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->8.792s->(2) M.Schumacher
->0.360s->(3) D.Coulthard->0.613s->(4) J.Alesi
->0.469s->(5) M.Hakkinen->1.951s->(6) H.Frentzen
9 Coulthard trying to pass M.Schumacher
9 M.Schumacher (2) to Hakkinen (5) all very close
12 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) M.Schumacher
(3) D.Coulthard (4) J.Alesi
(5) M.Hakkinen (6) H.Frentzen
12 Pits: R.Schumacher - 8.4s
13 Coulthard passes M.Schumacher
14 Pits: Berger - 8.3s
14 Pits: M.Schumacher - 7.4s
14 Pits: Coultard - 6s
15 Pits: Hakkinen - 5.7s
16 Pits: Frentzen - 7s
17 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->20.979s->(2) J.Alesi
->32.440s->(3) G.Fisichella->35.903s->(4) D.Coulthard
(5) E.Irvine (6) D.Hill
18 Hill retires near pits
18 Pits: Fisichella
19 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->22.439s->(2) J.Alesi
->36.387s->(3) D.Coulthard->43.888s->(4) O.Panis
->44.316s->(5) M.Hakkinen->44.865s->(6) E.Irvine
20 Pits: Villeneuve - 8.3s
20 Pits: Irvine
21 Pits: Alesi - 8.8s
24 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->3.673s->(2) D.Coulthard
->6.864s->(3) O.Panis->5.813s->(4) M.Hakkinen
->0.494s->(5) J.Alesi->1.178s->(6) M.Schumacher
25 Pits: Panis - 7.8s
26 Pits: Frentzen - 7.8s
26 Alesi and M.Schumacher pass Hakkinen
26 Pits: Hakkinen - 10.5s
28 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) D.Coulthard
(3) J.Alesi (4) M.Schumacher
(5) J.Herbert (6) O.Panis
(7) Fisichella, Berger, Hakkinen, Irvine
28 Pits: Irvine - 6.5s
29 Pits: Coulthard - 7.9s
29 Pits: Berger - 7.3s
30 Pits: M.Schumacher - 6.0s
31 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->16.968s->(2) J.Alesi
->3.022s->(3) D.Coulthard->1.340s->(4) J.Herbert
->1.462s->(5) O.Panis->10.753s->(6) G.Fisichella
32 Pits: Fisichella - 8.4s
33 Pits: Herbert - 6.0s
33 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->16.528s->(2) J.Alesi
->2.421s->(3) D.Coulthard->6.195s->(4) O.Panis
->0.002s->(5) J.Herbert->7.210s->(6) M.Schumacher
34 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->16.009s->(2) J.Alesi
->2.497s->(3) D.Coulthard->5.680s->(4) O.Panis
->7.325s->(5) M.Schumacher->10.298s->(6) J.Herbert
35 Salo off into gravel with blown tyre
36 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->17.085s->(2) J.Alesi
->2.652s->(3) D.Coulthard->3.063s->(4) O.Panis
->7.317s->(5) M.Schumacher->12.867s->(6) J.Herbert
37 Barrichello retires
38 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) J.Alesi
(3) D.Coulthard (4) O.Panis
(5) M.Schumacher (6) J.Herbert
39 Panis takes Coulthard
39 Pits: Frentzen - 7.7s
39 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) J.Alesi
(3) O.Panis (4) D.Coulthard
(5) M.Schumacher (6) J.Herbert
40 Pits: Coulthard - 6.4s
40 Villeneuve laps Frentzen
40 Pits: Berger - 6.2s
41 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->14.157s->(2) J.Alesi
->5.408s->(3) O.Panis->4.520s->(4) M.Schumacher
(5) J.Herbert (6) D.Coulthard
44 Pits: Alesi - 8.2s
44 Pits: Panis - 7.6s
44 Pits: Hakkinen - 7.7s
45 Pits: Villeneuve - 8.0s
45 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) J.Villeneuve
(3) O.Panis (4) J.Alesi
(5) J.Herbert (6) D.Coulthard
46 Pits: M.Schumacher - 6.8s
47 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) O.Panis
(3) J.Alesi (4) M.Schumacher
(5) J.Herbert (6) D.Coulthard
49 Pits: Herbert - 6.5s
49 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) O.Panis
(3) J.Alesi (4) M.Schumacher
(5) J.Herbert (6) D.Coulthard
49 Pits: Irvine - 6.4s
50 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve (2) O.Panis
(3) J.Alesi (4) M.Schumacher
(5) D.Coulthard (6) J.Herbert
(7) Fisichella, Hakkinen, Frentzen, Irvine
(11) Berger, Verstappen, R.Schumacher, Diniz
50 R.Schumacher retires
53 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->13.721s->(2) O.Panis
->3.501s->(3) J.Alesi->0.833s->(4) M.Schumacher
->7.157s->(5) D.Coulthard->11.564s->(6) J.Herbert
56 Panis/Alesi/M.Schumacher in traffic
58 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->15.135s->(2) O.Panis
->1.926s->(3) J.Alesi->1.210s->(4) M.Schumacher
->6.840s->(5) D.Coulthard->5.692s->(6) J.Herbert
59 10s penalty for Irvine blocking Panis/Alesi
60 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->11.589s->(2) O.Panis
->3.891s->(3) J.Alesi->3.205s->(4) M.Schumacher
->6.654s->(5) D.Coulthard->2.925s->(6) J.Herbert
62 Current Positions: (1) J.Villeneuve->9.521s->(2) O.Panis
(3) J.Alesi (4) M.Schumacher
(5) D.Coulthard (6) J.Herbert
64 Villeneuve Wins
Track Times:
Pos Driver Team Race Time
1 J.Villeneuve Williams 1hr 30m 35.896s (64 Laps)
2 O.Panis Prost Gap 0m 5.804s
3 J.Alesi Benetton Gap 0m 12.534s
4 M.Schumacher Ferrari Gap 0m 17.979s
5 J.Herbert Sauber Gap 0m 27.986s
6 D.Coulthard McLaren Gap 0m 29.744s
7 M.Hakkinen McLaren Gap 0m 48.785s
8 H.Frentzen Williams Gap 1m 4.139s
9 G.Fisichella Jordan Gap 1m 4.797s
10 G.Berger Benetton Gap 1m 6.670s
11 J.Verstappen Tyrrell Laps behind: 1
12 E.Irvine Ferrari Laps behind: 1
13 J.Magnussen Stewart Laps behind: 1
14 G.Morbidelli Sauber Laps behind: 2
15 J.Trulli Minardi Laps behind: 2
Retirements:
P.Diniz Arrows Laps Behind: 11 Reason: Mechanical problem
R.Schumacher Jordan Laps Behind: 14 Reason: Mechanical problem
R.Barrichello Stewart Laps Behind: 27 Reason: Mechanical problem
M.Salo Tyrrell Laps Behind: 29 Reason: Tyre explodes
S.Nakano Prost Laps Behind: 30 Reason: Mechanical problem
D.Hill Arrows Laps Behind: 46 Reason: Mechanical problem
U.Katayama Minardi Laps Behind: 53 Reason: Mechanical problem
All information is unofficial
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auto-moto.552pecanac,
Slike iz Španije sa trke F1.
1. Alezi na treningu, krupan kadar bolida. :)
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sp_d2_04.jpgauto-moto.553pecanac,
2. Alezi i Schumacher, trka.
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sp_d3_03.jpgauto-moto.554pecanac,
3. Benetton-ovi momci odradjuju pit-stop.
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sp_d3_04.jpgauto-moto.555pecanac,
4. Ciljna ravnina, naravno - Benneton na čelu. :)
(724x480)
sp_d3_05.jpgauto-moto.556pecanac,
5. I na kraju, postolje sa pobednicima trke. ;)
(Vilnev, Panis, Alesi)
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sp_d3_07.jpgauto-moto.557vector,
˙˙˙ Pa nisam na to mislio :) Rekao sam da bi mu Panis nestao iz vidnog
˙˙˙ polja da ga nije kocio Irvajn, pa bi ga Alezi video ponovo tek na
˙˙˙ onoj konferenciji za stampu. Sala bre... ;)
Koliko se secam, Panis mu nije ni bio u vidnom polju sve dok se nije
pojavio Irvajn. ;)
auto-moto.558djanjusevic,
>> BTW, sta se desilo sa njim na kraju trke ? Odjednom je poceo naglo
>> da usporava, pa su ga prestigli, prvo Vasser, zatim Tracy i Moore,
>> kao i svi ostali. Problemi sa gumama ?
Lose izbalansirane gume, drugim recima Goodyear je kriv.
auto-moto.559stukelj,
> Lose izbalansirane gume, drugim recima Goodyear je kriv.
Vasser bi ga i ovako prestigao... O:)
auto-moto.560darth.vader,
>> Moram jos naglasiti da je Panis sada treci na tabeli, ili sto bi rekla
>> stara narodna poslovica - HONDA ruleZ!
E ta poslovica je 101% tacna ;)
>> Jos kad bi Prost sutnuo "S" Nakano-a i doveo nekog dobrog vozaca...
>> Gde bi im kraj bio... Cuju se neke varijante sa Hilom posto je covek
>> popizdeo zbog pucanja Arrowsa, ali i Nakano je je*en igrac - izgleda
>> da je zet nekome u Hondi :))) Ne isterava se on tako lako iz tima ;)
E njega ce teze da sutne... On je zet Hondi licno (ne znam puno ime
gospodina) tako da nece jos on izleteti nazalost :((
A ako bude izleteo, ne dao Bog da uleti Hill...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.561mmilosh,
> 5. I na kraju, postolje sa pobednicima trke. ;)
> (Vilnev, Panis, Alesi)
> (724x480)
Jel može neko da baci ovde konferenciju za štampu posle trke?
auto-moto.562vpoznanovic,
>> Jel može neko da baci ovde konferenciju za štampu posle trke?
Može...
F1: Spanish GP winners' press conference
Q Congratulations, Jacques, on your third victory of the
season and on retrieving the lead of the drivers'
championship.
JV: It's a pleasing result because although the team has
worked very hard, with the speed we have there have been
too many races that we threw away. After the stupidity
of Monaco, it is especially good to have won here.
Barcelona is where we did almost all of our winter
testing, but when we came here for the race we had
different tyres and the car didn't feel as good as it
did during the winter. When the heat picked up in the
middle of the race it became very difficult. But being
in front, with Michael [Schumacher] in 2nd place and
blocking everyone else gave us a good help.
Q. You pitted twice rather than three times. Was that your
planned strategy?
JV: Yes, we were planning on two. We knew it was risky on
the tyres. We did three [pitstops] at one race so far
this year, and usually there is more chance of something
going wrong when you do three.
Q. Were you worried towards the end of the race, because
Panis seemed to be catching you?
JV: I was not worried, because we had a big gap and I knew
that there was no point in pushing because the tyres are
on the limit here. As soon as [Panis] went quicker, we
could keep up, so I wasn't really worried unless we had
some traffic or tyre problems. He did a great race
because he didn't start from the front and he finished
2nd. That was pretty impressive.
Q. Olivier, you must be satisfied with 2nd place,
especially after having to start from 12th place on the
grid.
OP: The qualifying here was difficult because the tyres we
had were too hard. The two stop strategy was just right
for me: in the warm-up we found we were getting
fantastically good tyre wear, and that made the
difference. I am very happy for the team, because they
gave us a very good performance today.
Q. Can you and the Prost team hope to improve your
qualifying performances in future?
OP: There are two solutions. If you are quick in qualifying,
the tyres may make things difficult for the race. But
the tyres are improving all the time and maybe we can
have better performance in qualifying. But the race is
still more important ...
Q. You are now 3rd in the championship. What are your hopes
for the rest of the season?
OP: I would like to finish in the first five of the drivers'
championship: that would be fantastic for he team and
also for me. It will still be very difficult to achieve,
but the car is very good and we will also have a new
engine for the French Grand Prix.
Q. Jean, this is your first podium appearance of the
season. What does it mean for you?
JA: Of course I am very happy. I can tell you that the
beginning of the season was a nightmare for us because
we did not [anticipate] what has been happening to us.
But we worked hard here and we managed to find a setup
which was good with both low fuel and full fuel. To
finish on the podium is great and it means a lot of
oxygen for everyone on the team.
Q. It was a hard race for you, too. Were you worried that
Michael Schumacher might catch you at the end?
JA: No, I was worried about Irvine because I know what a
strange driver he can be. Overtaking him was quite tough
-- much more difficult than having to hold Michael
behind me.
Q. Does this result mean that we can now expect better
results from Benetton?
JA: I would like to say that things are improving but I
think we should wait until the next Grand Prix before we
can say whether we are going the right way. I really
believe in the abilities of the technical staff and
probably we will have some very good new parts for the
coming races I am quite confident, really.
Q. Jacques, it was very close in the first corner after the
start between you and Coulthard. What happened?
JV: I didn't have a great start -- and the white line seemed
to be slippery. David was on the inside and I tried to
block him, but he didn't lift. Then I left him room
because there was no point in crashing there. I know he
is a tough fighter, so we went into turn 1 and I decided
where I was going to brake and got fixed on that. He
braked just a little bit earlier. When he saw that I was
braking later than him, he let the brakes go and we got
side by side into turn 1. After that, Michael
[Schumacher] managed to get in front of him and that
allowed me to pull away.
Q. You must have been delighted to see that gap open up by
huge amounts.
JV: Yes, I knew that Michael was going to have troubles
because in testing here he had a hard time to keep his
tyres [in one piece] for more than five laps. I knew
that after three or four laps in which he would be very
quick, he would just go very slowly and blister his
tyres.
auto-moto.563vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, A1-Ring AUT 125cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Noboru Ueda JPN Honda 40:19.719
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Aprilia 0.004
3. Tomomi Manako JPN Honda 6.286
4. Garry McCoy AUS Aprilia 6.421
5. Masaki Tokudome JPN Aprilia 6.455
6. Kazuto Sakata JPN Aprilia 18.979
7. Youichi Ui JPN Yamaha 22.268
8. Roberto Locatelli ITA Honda 22.984
9. Gianluigi Scalvini ITA Honda 31.327
10. Frederic Petit FRA Honda 31.387
11. Masao Azuma JPN Honda 54.248
12. Ivan Goi ITA Aprilia 57.528
13. Manfred Geissler GER Aprilia 1:03.939
14. Juan E. Maturana SPA Yamaha 1:05.384
15. Steve Jenkner GER Aprilia 1:24.545
16. Angel Nieto Jr. SPA Aprilia 1:39.998
Championship Points 125cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Noboru Ueda JPN 99
2. Valentino Rossi ITA 95
3. Kazuto Sakata JPN 69
4. Jorge Martinez SPA 57
5. Tomomi Manako JPN 51
6. Masaki Tokudome JPN 47
7. Garry McCoy AUS 38
8. Masao Azuma JPN 34
9. Frederic Petit FRA 29
10. Yoshiaki Katoh JPN 25
Noboru Ueda je pobedio ispred Rossija za samo 4 hiljadita dela sekunde,
i to tako sto je, u zadnjem krugu, pametno postupio i jednostavno
propustio Rossija, da bi ga na startnoj-ciljnoj ravnini, uz pomoc
njegovog (Rossijevog, naravno ;) probijanja vazduha, pretekao.
Mozda Rossi nece tako lako osvojiti 125cc sampionat ove godine ?
auto-moto.564vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, A1-Ring AUT 250cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Olivier Jacque FRA Honda 40:29.266
2. Ralf Walfmann GER Honda 0.622
3. Max Biaggi ITA Honda 6.412
4. Loris Capirossi ITA Aprilia 6.415
5. Tohru Ukawa JPN Honda 23.358
6. Stefano Perugini ITA Aprilia 26.292
7. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN TS Honda 29.991
8. Haruchika Aoki JPN Honda 40.079
9. Sebastian Porto ARG Aprilia 49.651
10. Noriyasu Numata JPN Suzuki 51.446
11. Luis D'Antin SPA Yamaha 51.553
12. Jamie Robinson GBR Suzuki 1:02.779
13. William Costes FRA Honda 1:04.488
14. Franco Battaini ITA Yamaha 1:04.781
15. Olivier Petrucciani SUI Aprilia 1:09.385
16. C. Migliorati ITA Honda 1:09.610
Championship Points 250cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Max Biaggi ITA 91
2. Ralf Waldmann GER 82
3. Olivier Jacque FRA 61
4. Tetsuya Harada JPN 56
5. Tohru Ukawa JPN 41
6. Haruchika Aoki JPN 40
7. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN 35
8. Loris Capirossi ITA 34
Jacque po drugi put u karijeri pobedjuje u, prilicno konkurentnoj (ove
godine), klasi od 250cc. Neverovatno je koliko je Ralf Waldmann bio
iznerviran posle trke jer je prakticnu istu izgubio zbog sudaranja sa
pobednikom (Jacque). Zadnja recenica koju je izgovorio u interjvuu posle
trke glasila je otprilike ovako: "He's an asshole". Doduse, zadnju rec
nije naglas rekao, vec se ista mogla procitati sa njegovih usana. ;)
Ni sampanjac nije otvorio koliko je bio ljut.
Biaggi je imao, kako on sam kaze, dosta problema sa motorom, tako da
nije mogao da odrzi korak sa dvojicom prvoplasiranih. U zadnjih par
krugova, Capirossi ga je vrlo brzo sustizao, ali je ipak uspeo na
kraju da sacuva trece mesto i to za samo 3 hiljadita dela sekunde !
auto-moto.565vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, A1-Ring AUT 500cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 41:48.665
2. Tadayuki Okada JPN Honda 22.077
3. Luca Cadalora ITA Yamaha 22.471
4. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Honda 22.663
5. Alex Criville SPA Honda 25.462
6. Carlos Checa SPA Honda 28.649
7. Anthony Gobert AUS Suzuki 59.010
8. Alberto Puig SPA Honda 1:00.017
Championship Points 500cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS 120
2. Alex Criville SPA 89
3. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN 67
4. Luca Cadalora ITA 59
5. Tadayuki Okada JPN 58
6. Norifumi Abe JPN 42
7. Takuma Aoki JPN 37
8. Alex Barros BRA 32
Plasman vozaca od 9. do 16. mesta nije bio prikazan tako da ga necete
ni dobiti. ;)
PS. Danas u 20:00 pocinje sedma trka ovogodisnjeg CART sampionata, i
to u Milvokiju gde je Andreti vec 6 (jel bese 6 ?) puta pobedio.
Trejsi je osvojio pol poziciju, dok je Zanardi tek na 17., a Vasser
na 10. mestu.
auto-moto.566vector,
Ups, umesto CONF WRITE stavio sam CONF REPLY na odredjene poruke. ;)
auto-moto.567vector,
˙˙˙ PS. Danas u 20:00 pocinje sedma trka ovogodisnjeg CART sampionata, i
˙˙˙ to u Milvokiju gde je Andreti vec 6 (jel bese 6 ?) puta pobedio.
Nije 6 nego 5 puta zaredom.
Dakle, juce je, po prvi put u karijeri, Greg Moore pobedio, i to ispred
Andretija i Vassera, i na taj nacin, postao najmladji pobednik jedne
trke u istoriji.
1. Greg Moore
2. Michael Andretti
3. Jimmy Vasser
4. Raul Boesel
5. Mauricio Gugelmin
6. Paul Tracy
7. Gil De Ferran
8. Patrick Carpentier
9. Scott Pruett
10. Roberto Moreno
11. Bobby Rahal
12. Mark Blundell
Tabela posle sedam trka :
1. Paul Tracy 94 poena
2. Michael Andretti 70
3. Alex Zanardi 67
4. Scott Pruett 65
Greg Moore 65
6. Jimmy Vasser 57
Sledece nedelje (8. juna) je trka u Detroitu.
auto-moto.568stukelj,
> 1. Olivier Jacque FRA Honda 40:29.266
DA!!! Konacno!!! Jacque je posle Brazila prosle godine uspeo da pobedi
Biaggija i Waldmanna ! ;)
auto-moto.569stukelj,
> 3. Jimmy Vasser
VASSER !!! Trece mesto !!! Odlicno je vozio(u svom stilu ;) ! Ima jos
sanse za titulu... O:)
auto-moto.570vector,
˙˙˙ Nije 6 nego 5 puta zaredom.
Opet sam pogresio, jeste 5 puta, ali nije zaredom. :(
auto-moto.571vector,
Sad se setih ovoga :
"Michael Andretti, school for the blind drivers" (c) 1996 Paul Tracy
Ko razume, shvatice.
PS. Majice su nosili Tracy, Gordon i Gugelmin. :))
auto-moto.572vector,
Subj: CART World Series, rezultati trke (Detroit)
Pol poziciju osvojio je Gil De Ferran ispred Pruetta, Morena i mog
favorita za ovu sezonu ;), Zanardija. Iza njih su bili Moore, pobednik
prosle trke i Andretti, proslogodisnji pobednik ove trke i jedan od
glavnih kandidata za titulu ove godine. Jimmy Vasser je startovao tek
na 13. mestu. Franchitti se kvalifikovao negde oko 5 mesta.
Isti Franchitti, ovogodisnji rookie, je u prvoj krivini pogresio i
izbacio Zanardija iz trke...
Neverovatno je kako takvi neizivljeni skotovi voze u CART sampionatu.
Zanardiju je jednostavno trebao dobar rezultat u Detroitu, zbog slabih
rezultata na prethodnim trkama (pogotovo u Milvokiju). Imao je realne
sanse da zavrsi trku i na prvoj poziciji, ali se to (nazalost) nije
desilo zbog Franchittija, koji je pravio raznorazne gluposti tokom trke.
Scott Pruett je odustao zbog nekog problema sa motorom.
Jimmy Vasser je vozio u svom stilu (citaj: odlicno) i zavrsio trku
na 4. mestu. Krenuo je sa 13. mesta, a zavrsio cetvrti, i to na stazi
je prakticno nemoguce obici nekog...
Takodje, odlicna voznja Roberta Morena, koji je svojim plasmanom
dokazao da se moze boriti i za prvu poziciju ako treba. Nece vise voziti
za Newman Haas tim, zbog toga sto se Christian Fittipaldi vraca u tim.
Mauricio Gugelmin i Mark Blundell su bili u poziciji da pobede, ali
se, zbog nedostatka goriva, to nije desilo... Steta za Blundella... Da
je imao goriva za jos 50 metara, pobedio bi.
1. Greg Moore
2. Michael Andretti
3. Gil De Ferran
4. Jimmy Vasser
5. Roberto Moreno
6. Raul Boesel
Sledeca trka je 22. juna u 23:00 (CET) u Portlandu.
auto-moto.573vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Paul Ricard FRA 125cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA Aprilia 40:20.214
2. Tomomi Manako JPN Honda 2.961
3. Garry McCoy AUS Aprilia 12.462
4. Youichi Ui JPN Yamaha 17.681
5. Frederic Petit FRA Honda 30.402
6. Yoshiaki Katoh JPN Yamaha 38.164
7. Mirko Giansanti ITA Honda 44.116
8. Gianluigi Scalvini ITA Honda 44.549
Championship Points 125cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA 120
2. Noboru Ueda JPN 99
3. Tomomi Manako JPN 71
4. Kazuto Sakata JPN 69
5. Jorge Martinez SPA 57
6. Garry McCoy AUS 54
7. Masaki Tokudome JPN 47
8. Masao Azuma JPN 41
Glavni kandidat za titulu (pored Rossija, naravno), Noboru Ueda, morao
je da odustane, cini mi se, zbog povrede, tako da je Rossi prosirio svoje
vodjstvo (dosta lako) na 21 poen.
Nisam siguran u tacnost ove tabele (championship points). Uostalom, na
internetu se moze naci dosta sajtova koji se bave ovom tematikom, tako da
bi bilo lepo da neko skine nesto zanimljivo odatle.
auto-moto.574vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Paul Ricard FRA 250cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Tetsuya Harada JPN Aprilia 40:58.961
2. Max Biaggi ITA Honda 0.043
3. Ralf Waldmann GER Honda 0.224
4. Loris Capirossi ITA Aprilia 8.387
5. Tohru Ukawa JPN Honda 29.702
6. Haruchika Aoki JPN Honda 46.755
7. Sebastian Porto ARG Aprilia 53.322
8. Luis D'Antin SPA Yamaha 56.677
Championship Points 250cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Max Biaggi ITA 111
2. Ralf Waldmann GER 98
3. Tetsuya Harada JPN 81
4. Olivier Jacque FRA 61
5. Tohru Ukawa JPN 52
6. Haruchika Aoki JPN 50
7. Loris Capirossi ITA 47
8. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN 35
Olivier Jacque, covek koji je osvojio pol poziciju ispred Biaggija,
je vrlo brzo zavrsio trku zbog nekog mehanickog kvara na motoru.
Max Biaggi (kao i Waldmann, uostalom) je rekao da je prakticno bilo
nemoguce sustici Apriliju na pravcima (iako su obojica u nekim krivinama
bili poprilicno brzi od Harade).
auto-moto.575vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Paul Ricard FRA 500cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 42:38.064
2. Carlos Checa SPA Honda 4.292
3. Tadayuki Okada JPN Honda 5.715
4. Alex Criville SPA Honda 6.159
5. Takuma Aoki JPN Honda 24.227
6. Alex Barros BRA Honda 41.437
7. Norifumi Abe JPN Yamaha 44.734
8. Alberto Puig SPA Honda 44.834
9. Juan Borja SPA ELF 500 51.921
10. Anthony Goberth AUS Suzuki 52.601
11. Doriano Romboni ITA Aprilia 53.860
12. Daryl Beattie AUS Suzuki 56.191
13. Sete Gibernau SPA Yamaha 1:01.044
14. Troy Corser AUS Yamaha 1:04.573
15. J. V.D.Goorbergh NED Honda 1:17.668
16. Jurgen Fuchs GER ELF 500 1:20.972
Sledeca trka je 28. juna u Holandiji (Assen).
auto-moto.576vpoznanovic,
Canadian Grand Prix Timing
Friday, June 13th
17h00 to 20h00 - (CET) - 1st Free Practice
Saturday, June 14th
15h00 to 17h00 - (CET) - 2nd Free Practice
19h00 to 20h00 - (CET) - Qualifying
Sunday, June 15th
14h30 to 15h00 - (CET) - Warm-Up
19h00 to 21h00 - (CET) - Race
auto-moto.577obren,
Utorak, 10. Jun 1997.
Prvi čovek Formule 1, Berni Iklston (Bernie Ecclestone), naglasio je
u svom intervjuu jednom italijanskom časopisu da zabrana reklamiranja
cigareta u zemljama Evropske zajednice može ozbiljno ugroziti ovaj
sport i rezultovati prebacivanjem velikog broja trka iz Evrope u Aziju.
On je pri tom dodao: "Veoma malo internacionalnih kompanija je spremno
da uloži toliko novca u Formulu 1, kao što je slučaj sa proizvođačima
cigareta. Ako bi oni napustili ovaj sport, to bi bilo ravno katastrofi."
Timovi poput Vilijamsa, Džordana i Ferarija dobijaju ogromne fondove
za razvoj upravo iz industrije cigareta. Iklston je to prokomentarisao
na sledeći način: "Mi imamo pravo da otkažemo bilo koju trku čije je
održavanje iz bilo kog razloga dovedeno u pitanje. U ovom sličaju, ako
sponzori ne dobiju adekvatnu reklamu za svoja ulaganja, moraćemo da
preispitamo postojeći program trka. Ići ćemo tamo gde je manje problema
što bi otprilike značilo da će evropskih trka biti najviše četiri."
auto-moto.578obren,
Utorak, 10. Jun 1997.
Šumaher: "Možda ću biti svetski šampion 1998."
Mihael Šumaher je u nemačkom magazinu "Motorsport Aktuell" izjavio da
će biti veoma teško osvojiti titulu ove godine uzevši u obzir trenutnu
situaciju u Ferariju. On inače nije zadovoljan trenutnim progresom tima
za koji vozi u odnosu na prošlu sezonu.
Šumaher misli da Ferari može da bude superioran poput Vilijamsa, ali
"Ako Ferari ne osvoji titulu 1998. ili 1999 - kada će imati novi vazdušni
tunel - onda ću morati da kažem: Žao mi je, ali vi nikad nećete uzeti
šampionsku titulu" (Posle mene - potop, prim. obren ;)
Na pitanje da prokomentariše trenutno stanje u šampionatu, rekao je:
"Realno, Žak bi sada trebalo da ima 50 poena, dok je mojih 27 bodova
otprilike prava slika trenutnog stanja stvari."
auto-moto.579obren,
Utorak, 10. Jun 1997.
Honda u Džordanu sledeće godine?
Džordan tim izgleda da ima najveće šanse da sledeće sezone dobije
Hondine motore za svoje bolide, kada Pežo ode u Prostov tim. Šanse
da Pežo snabdeva oba tima svojim motorima, praktično su ravne nuli.
Honda traži da Šinđi Nakano bude deo "paketa", ali vlasnik tima Edi
Džordan želi da zadrži svoje trenutne vozače: Đankarla Fizikelu i
Ralfa Šumahera, dok bi pristao da Nakano bude test vozač.
Sa druge strane, kruže glasine da Fizikela razmišlja o prelasku
iz Džordana u Beneton gde bi zamenio Žana Alezija iako je javno
Fizikela izjavio da ostaje u svom sadašnjem timu (jer mu ugovor
ističe 1998. godine)
auto-moto.580obren,
Sreda, 11. Jun 1997.
Trenutni lider u šampionatu Formule 1, Žak Vilnev, dobio je upozorenje
od FIA-e iz Pariza, povodom njegovog kritikovanja planiranih izmena u
pravilima za 1998. sezonu.
Nakon sastanka sa čelnicima FIA koji je trajao 10 minuta, Vinlev se
pojavio pred novinarima i naglasio: "To je samo opomena koja znači da
bih mogao da budem suspendovan sledeći put, ako bude sledećeg puta..."
Podsećamo, Vilnev je izrazio oštro negodovanje zbog novih pravila nakon
što je ustanovio da su njegova vremena u novom Vilijamsovom bolidu koji
je saglasan pravilima za narednu sezonu, skoro 10 sekundi slabija nego
ona u ovogodišnjem bolidu.
Tokom vikenda u San Marinu, Vilnev je izjavio da "Nova pravila mora da
su šala. Voziti na onim novim gumama je smešno. Preciznost, koja je do
sada zahtevana od vozača sada se potiskuje u drugi plan, a uostalom
nestaje i sva zanimljivost i zabavna strana vožnje, to je jednostavno
suluda ideja!"
Nakon što je napustio sastanak, Vilnev je dodao i sledeće: "Cilj našeg
razgovora bio je da raščistimo neke stvari i sve je završeno kako treba.
Problem nije u onome što sam izjavio, već u načinu kako sam to izjavio.
Trebalo je da koristim druge reči."
Vilnev se danas vratio iz Pariza u Montrela, gde će nastaviti sa svojim
pripremama za veliku nagradu Kanade, koja se vozi ovog vikenda.
auto-moto.581obren,
Četvrtak, 12. Jun 1997.
Beneton je najavio da će Gerhard Berger odsustvovati sa Velike nagrade
Kanade, koja se vozi 15. juna.
Austrijanac, koji je upravo imao operaciju na sinusima, na preporuku
lekara pauziraće ovu trku, pošto je došlo do infekcije sinusa.
Bergera će na sledećoj trci odmeniti zemljak Aleks Vurc (Alex Wurz),
nekad vozač u šampionatu ITC, a trenutno test pilot Benetona, pošto
je svojim rezultatima zavredio pažnju svojih šefova.
Flavio Briatore, direktor Benetona, povodom toga je izjavio: "To je očito
veliko razočarenje kako za Gerharda, tako i za tim. Želim mu da se što
pre oporavi od operacije pošto nam je potreban na stazi. Sa druge strane,
siguran sam i da će Aleksander odraditi dobar posao u međuvremenu."
auto-moto.582mmilosh,
> Podsećamo, Vilnev je izrazio oštro negodovanje zbog novih
> pravila nakon što je ustanovio da su njegova vremena u novom
> Vilijamsovom bolidu koji je saglasan pravilima za narednu
> sezonu, skoro 10 sekundi slabija nego ona u ovogodišnjem
> bolidu.
Jel može malo detaljnije, ako nije problem, o kakvim pravilima se radi?
auto-moto.583obren,
> Jel može malo detaljnije, ako nije problem, o kakvim pravilima se radi?
Novim pravilima koja treba da povećaju bezbednost vozača, što sa druge
strane u neku ruku umanjuje atraktivnost Formule 1. Recimo smanjuje se
širina bolida tako da će manje moći da se koristi slipstrim (zavetrina),
mislim da se zabranjuje i upotreba karbonskih diskova za kočnice, čime će
se povećati zaustavni put bolida, ali najvažnija promena, zbog koje se
ujedno i Žak Vilnev buni, jesu nove "slik" gume koje ipak imaju neke
minimalne šare, a sa kojima se postižu znatno manje brzine i slabija
vremena...
auto-moto.584vector,
˙˙˙ Max Biaggi (kao i Waldmann, uostalom) je rekao da je prakticno bilo
˙˙˙ nemoguce sustici Apriliju na pravcima (iako su obojica u nekim krivinama
˙˙˙ bili poprilicno brzi od Harade).
Naravno, Max je na pocetku sezone i rekao da sadasnji motor nije
nista u odnosu na ono sto je prosle godine vozio (Aprilia).
auto-moto.585nigy,
Sutra je krug na Uscu. Danas su (ne)zvanicni treninzi.
U reklamiza trku sam nacuo nesto kao "finale"!? Sta se desava? Da li ce
se ove sezone voziti tri kruga u Bg ili je poslednja trka sezone prebacena
u sred sezone?
Btw. ima li neko skener, pa da bacim po koju fotku ovde sa Usca? :)
(naravno crno-bele su u pitanju)
auto-moto.586tomislavr,
Nezvanični trening za VN Kanade:
Pl No Pilote Voiture Temps Moyenne
1. 4 FRENTZEN Williams 1'20"289 198.23 km/h
2. 12 FISICHELLA Jordan 1'20"416 197.92 km/h
3. 3 VILLENEUVE Williams 1'20"552 197.58 km/h
4. 7 ALESI Benetton 1'20"624 197.41 km/h
5. 14 PANIS Prost 1'20"727 197.15 km/h
6. 16 HERBERT Sauber 1'20"876 196.79 km/h
7. 11 R.SCHUM. Jordan 1'20"930 196.66 km/h
8. 6 IRVINE Ferrari 1'20"987 196.52 km/h
9. 5 M.SCHUM. Ferrari 1'21"201 196.00 km/h
10. 22 BARRICHELLO Stewart 1'21"269 195.84 km/h
>>> 11. 8 WURZ Benetton 1'21"315 195.73 km/h
12. 9 HAKKINEN McLaren 1'21"372 195.59 km/h
13. 17 MORBIDELLI Sauber 1'21"415 195.49 km/h
14. 10 COULTHARD McLaren 1'21"468 195.36 km/h
15. 2 DINIZ Arrows 1'21"777 194.62 km/h
16. 19 SALO Tyrrell 1'21"848 194.45 km/h
17. 1 HILL Arrows 1'22"460 193.01 km/h
18. 18 VERSTAPPEN Tyrrell 1'22"550 192.80 km/h
19. 20 KATAYAMA Minardi 1'22"708 192.43 km/h
20. 15 NAKANO Prost 1'22"930 191.92 km/h
21. 23 MAGNUSSEN Stewart 1'23"826 189.86 km/h
22. 21 TRULLI Minardi 1'24"131 189.18 km/h
auto-moto.587obren,
Rezultati večerašnjih kvalifikacija za GP Kanade:
Pl No Driver Team Time Avg. Speed
1. 5 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1'18"095 203.80 km/h
2. 3 VILLENEUVE Williams 1'18"108 203.76 km/h
3. 22 BARRICHELLO Stewart 1'18"388 203.04 km/h
4. 4 FRENTZEN Williams 1'18"464 202.84 km/h
5. 10 COULTHARD McLaren 1'18"466 202.83 km/h
6. 12 FISICHELLA Jordan 1'18"750 202.10 km/h
7. 11 R.SCHUMACHER Jordan 1'18"869 201.80 km/h
8. 7 ALESI Benetton 1'18"899 201.72 km/h
9. 9 HAKKINEN McLaren 1'18"916 201.68 km/h
10. 14 PANIS Prost 1'19"034 201.38 km/h
11. 8 WURZ Benetton 1'19"286 200.74 km/h
12. 6 IRVINE Ferrari 1'19"503 200.19 km/h
13. 16 HERBERT Sauber 1'19"622 199.89 km/h
14. 18 VERSTAPPEN Tyrrell 1'20"102 198.69 km/h
15. 1 HILL Arrows 1'20"129 198.62 km/h
16. 2 DINIZ Arrows 1'20"175 198.51 km/h
17. 19 SALO Tyrrell 1'20"336 198.11 km/h
18. 17 MORBIDELLI Sauber 1'20"357 198.06 km/h
19. 15 NAKANO Prost 1'20"370 198.03 km/h
20. 21 TRULLI Minardi 1'20"370 198.03 km/h
21. 23 MAGNUSSEN Stewart 1'20"491 197.73 km/h
22. 20 KATAYAMA Minardi 1'21"034 196.41 km/h
Bilo je jako uzbudljivo, kvalifikacije su prekinute 5 minuta pre kraja
nakon što se Wurz slupao, tako da su posle prekida svi "zagomilali" jedan
za drugim, što da bi poravili vreme što da bi smetali onima koji hoće da
poprave vreme ;) Sve u svemu, Šumaher je skinuo vilneva u poslednjim
sekundama trke i to za manje od 2 deseta dela sekunde! :) Sve obećava
dobru trku sutra, no videćemo...
auto-moto.588mikeman,
> Naravno, Max je na pocetku sezone i rekao da sadasnji motor nije
> nista u odnosu na ono sto je prosle godine vozio (Aprilia).
Treba ga pitati zasto je onda otiso iz Aprilie. Valjda zbog love.
Cim sam cuo za njegov prelazak prestao sam da pratim trke. Voleo sam
ga bas zbog toga sto je on, medju onolkim japanskim motorima ( i vozacima)
predstavljao na neki nacin nas deo sveta.
auto-moto.589vector,
Cudan i neocekivan zavrsetak trke, mora se priznati... dobro je da je
Alezi zavrsio na 2. mestu... B)
1. M Schumacher
2. J Alesi
3. G Fisichella
auto-moto.590obren,
> Cudan i neocekivan zavrsetak trke, mora se priznati... dobro je
> da je Alezi zavrsio na 2. mestu... B)
Zna li neko šta je sa Panisom? :( Gledao sam u Atlantiku trku bez
tona, a sudeći po raspoloženju trojice podijumaša, nije baš reč o
bezazlenom udesu... :((
auto-moto.591nesha,
> Zna li neko sta je sa Panisom? :( Gledao sam u Atlantiku trku bez
Kolko sam ja nachuo, ima prelom noge. Ako je samo to u pitanju, moze
se reci da je dobro proshao.
auto-moto.592ivanl,
> Zna li neko sta je sa Panisom? :( Gledao sam u Atlantiku trku bez
Ne> Kolko sam ja nachuo, ima prelom noge. Ako je samo to u pitanju,
Ne> moze se reci da je dobro proshao.
Slomljene su mu obe noge.
auto-moto.593vpoznanovic,
Kad već niko drugi neće... :)
F1: Canadian GP results
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:17:40.616
2. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault +2.565
3. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot +3.219
4. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault +3.768
5. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas +4.716
6. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen +36.701
7. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes +37.753
8. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha -1 lap
9. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha -1 lap
10. Gianni Morbidelli I Sauber-Petronas -1 lap
11. Olivier Panis F Prost-Mugen -3 laps Spun
DNF Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 On lap 47 Mechanical
DNF Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 On lap 45 Mechanical
DNF Alexander Wurz A Benetton-Renault On lap 36 Mechanical
DNF Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 On lap 34 Mechanical
DNF Jarno Trulli I Minardi-Hart On lap 33 Mechanical
DNF Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot On lap 15 Spun
DNF Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart On lap 6 Spun
DNF Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault On lap 2 Spun
DNF Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes On lap 1 Crash
DNF Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari On lap 1 Crash
DNF Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 On lap 1 Crash
auto-moto.594obren,
> > Zna li neko sta je sa Panisom? :( Gledao sam u Atlantiku trku bez
>
> Kolko sam ja nachuo, ima prelom noge. Ako je samo to u pitanju, moze
> se reci da je dobro proshao.
Da, u pitanju su izgleda ozbiljne povrede (prelomi) obe noge :(( Bojim se
da je za njega sezona završena, mada možda se pred kraj i vrati. No, dobro
je ako nema nekih težih povreda obzirom kako se zakucao.
A tako je dobro počeao sezonu, kakva šteta... :(
auto-moto.595nigy,
>Kad vec niko drugi nece... :)
Bilo bi lepo kada vec ovi kr@#$ni sa TRS-a ne prenose trke, da neko
da opis iste. Cuh da je trka prekinuta kada se Panis skucao i da je
Sch. prvi, i to je sve... :(
auto-moto.596mmilosh,
> Da, u pitanju su izgleda ozbiljne povrede (prelomi) obe noge
> :(( Bojim se da je za njega sezona završena, mada možda se pred
> kraj i vrati. No, dobro je ako nema nekih težih povreda obzirom
> kako se zakucao.
Ma da mu vector da onaj njegov Thrustmaster Grand Prix 1 što ima pedale
na volanu ;)))
auto-moto.597vector,
˙˙˙ Ma da mu vector da onaj njegov Thrustmaster Grand Prix 1 sto ima
˙˙˙ pedale na volanu ;)))
Uf, onda bi Panis bio jednostavno nezaustavljiv. ;) Svaku trku do
kraja karijere bi dobio ... (ukoliko bih mu ja to dao) ... :))
auto-moto.599vpoznanovic,
Panis je sinoć operisan, operacija je uspjela i doktori su dali svoje
prve prognoze. Trebaće mu između 6 i 12 nedelja da prohoda, a od 2 do 4
mjeseca da se frakture potpuno zaliječe i da se vrati u formu.
Za njegovo mjesto u timu konkurisaće francuski vozači Jean-Christophe
Boullion i Emanuel Collard. Veće se šanse daju Collardu, zato što će
već krajem ove nedelje imati test vožnju.
auto-moto.600obren,
Neke od izjava posle završetka trke u Kanadi:
M. Schumacher: "Srećan sam zbog osvojenih 10 poena, ali nema mesta
za radovanje u ovakvim okolnostima."
Villeneuve: "Staza je bila jako klizava, ali ispao sam zato što sam
promašio krivinu. Totalno sam razočaran jer mislim da smo imali jako
dobro pripremljen bolid."
Coulthard: "Nisam znao da li će pneumatici potrajati do kraja."
Frentzen: "Još uvek imam problema da se naviknem na setap sa dve pedale.
Danas sam startovao potpuno drugačije nego što to inače radim. Kvačilu
je trebalo jako dugo da uhvati brzinu, a imao sam i problema sa gumama
već posle prvih nekoliko krugova. Ipak, sada me više zanima kako je
Olivije..."
Irvine: "Zaista ne znam šta se desilo u prvoj krivini. Svi su se nagurali
u gomilu i sve što sam video jeste da mi se bolid okreće, nakon čega se
i motor ugasio."
Hakkinen: "Motor nam je sve jači. Dejvid je koristio novi motor u ovoj
trci, nadam se da sa njim nećemo imati nekih problema."
Wurz: "Nažalost, moja pozicija je bila prilično dobra, ali nisam imao
dovoljnu brzinu na pravcu. Ipak, i to je bilo dobro dok se nešto nije
slomilo u bolidu..."
Verstappen: "Sramota! Sve je išlo kako treba, gume su se dobro držale,
ali menjač je odjednom prestao da radi zbog curenja u sistemu. Ipak,
rekao bih da sam zadovoljan jer tim zaista ide napred."
Hill: "Brine me kako će Panis proći. Što se tiče trke, prekinuta je
ranije nego što treba, ali ipak smo i Pedro i ja završili."
auto-moto.601obren,
Komentar trke u Montrealu...
A great win by Michael Schumacher was over shadowed by the horrific
accident of Olivier Panis.
On a flatout section Panis first slid then bounced off a wall, crossed
the track and was stopped dead by the tyre barrier. The nose of his
Prost was completely destoryed. The Saftey Car came out and soon after
the race was stopped, with only 56 of the 69 laps having been completed.
Olivier was later taken by helicopter to a local hospital.
No champagne was opened on the podium and the drivers' interview was
full of concern for Olivier.
The race started in glorious sunshine and an expectant Canadian crowd
watched as local favourite Jacques Villeneuve tucked in behind
Schumacher to take the first corner of the race. Further back in the
pack Irvine, Magnussen, Panis and Hakkinen suffered contact damage.
Irvine pulled off onto the grass with two of the others stopping soon
after. Only Panis made it back to the pits and out again. Meanwhile
Canada stopped as Villeneuve slid onto the start line in full lockup
mode, hit the wall and was out of the race.
Michael Schumacher was out in front followed by Fisichella, Alesi and
Coulthard. On lap 6 Katayama lost control and hit the walls. He was OK
but the car was left in a dangerous position and so the Saftey Car came
on track. Two laps later and the race was on again. Michael was once
again pulling away again, just as brother Ralph flew off the track at
the end of the Start Straight.
The first round of pits stops was ignored by Coulthard which put him
into a commanding 10s lead over Schumacher, Alesi and Fisichella. When
he did pit he came out second behind Schumacher. And then Schumacher
pitted again, after having been overtaked by Panis who was actually a
lap down. David was back in front - but not for long. Coulthard pitted
again probably due to tyre problems but stalled. Meanwhile the attention
was turned to the car of Olivier Panis.
Panis's car was positioned nose into the tyres on a very fast straight.
While marshalls removed him from the car the Safety Car made its second
appearance on track. David Coulthard finally made it back onto the
track but now it was just a parade for two laps before the red flags
came out and the race was stopped. Panis was carefully lifted into an
ambulance with suspected leg injuries as the race cars came to a stop on
the grid.
Another good solid performance by Schumacher and Ferrari, bad luck to
Coulthard who probably just missed his second win of the season, a fine
8th and 9th places for the Arrows, but everyone's thoughts tonight are
with Olivier Panis.
auto-moto.602obren,
Neko je tražio pregled trke:
Weather: Hot sunny
Lap Event
0 Grid Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) J.Villeneuve
(3) R.Barrichello (4) H.Frentzen
(5) D.Coulthard (6) G.Fisichella
0 1st corner: Schumacher leads Villeneuve
0 1st corner crashes - Irvine, Hakinen, Panis, Magnussen
1 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->1.472s->(2) J.Villeneuve
->1.102s->(3) G.Fisichella->0.703s->(4) J.Alesi
->0.929s->(5) D.Coulthard->1.018s->(6) H.Frentzen
1 Villeneuve slides on entrance to Start Straight - hits wall
and is out.
3 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->3.211s->(2) G.Fisichella
->0.719s->(3) J.Alesi->0.706s->(4) D.Coulthard
->2.260s->(5) H.Frentzen->0.415s->(6) R.Schumacher
5 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->2.426s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.057s->(3) J.Alesi->1.147s->(4) D.Coulthard
->4.098s->(5) H.Frentzen->0.548s->(6) R.Schumacher
6 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->2.199s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.218s->(3) J.Alesi->1.109s->(4) D.Coulthard
->5.907s->(5) R.Schumacher->0.545s->(6) H.Frentzen
6 Katayama smashes into wall and is out
7 Safety Car on track because of Katayama's car
7 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) G.Fisichella
(3) J.Alesi (4) D.Coulthard
(5) R.Schumacher (6) H.Frentzen
8 Hill in pits - 13.6s
9 Race On again
9 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->1.417s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.723s->(3) J.Alesi->0.351s->(4) D.Coulthard
->0.764s->(5) R.Schumacher->2.275s->(6) H.Frentzen
10 Pits: Frentzen 7.6s
10 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) G.Fisichella
(3) J.Alesi (4) D.Coulthard
(5) R.Schumacher (6) A.Wurz
11 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->1.642s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.257s->(3) J.Alesi->0.822s->(4) D.Coulthard
->1.146s->(5) R.Schumacher->4.750s->(6) A.Wurz
11 Fastest lap: Coulthard 1m 21.583s
13 Fastest lap: Fisichella 1m 21.509s
13 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->1.470s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.752s->(3) J.Alesi->0.852s->(4) D.Coulthard
->2.666s->(5) R.Schumacher->5.790s->(6) A.Wurz
14 Ralph Schumacher goes off into barriers at turn "One"
15 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->1.703s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.577s->(3) J.Alesi->0.709s->(4) D.Coulthard
->12.640s->(5) A.Wurz->1.364s->(6) J.Verstappen
15 Fastest lap: Coulthard 1m 21.439s
17 Fastest lap: M.Schumacher 1m 21.258s
17 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) G.Fisichella
(3) J.Alesi (4) D.Coulthard
(5) A.Wurz (6) J.Verstappen
19 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->3.709s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.181s->(3) J.Alesi->0.514s->(4) D.Coulthard
->14.802s->(5) A.Wurz->2.541s->(6) J.Verstappen
20 Fastest lap: M.Schumacher 1m 20.999s
20 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->4.264s->(2) G.Fisichella
->1.338s->(3) J.Alesi->0.699s->(4) D.Coulthard
->15.451s->(5) A.Wurz->2.427s->(6) J.Verstappen
22 Fastest lap: M.Schumacher 1m 20.493s
22 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) G.Fisichella
(3) J.Alesi (4) D.Coulthard
(5) A.Wurz (6) J.Verstappen
23 Frentzen in 11th
24 Fastest lap: M.Schumacher 1m 20.358s
24 Pits: Verstappen 7.6s
24 Pits: Barrichello 6.4s
25 Pits: Fisichella 7.3s
25 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->10.541s->(2) D.Coulthard
->16.829s->(3) A.Wurz->1.119s->(4) J.Alesi
->1.953s->(5) G.Fisichella->9.920s->(6) M.Salo
26 Fastest lap: M.Schumacher 1m 20.218s
26 Pits: Wurz 8.8s
27 Fastest lap: Coulthard 1m 19.945s
27 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->10.471s->(2) D.Coulthard
->23.214s->(3) J.Alesi->1.894s->(4) G.Fisichella
(5) J.Herbert (6) A.Wurz
28 Pits: M.Schumacher 7.6s
28 Fastest lap: Coulthard 1m 19.902s
29 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard->9.903s->(2) M.Schumacher
(3) J.Alesi (4) G.Fisichella
(5) J.Herbert (6) A.Wurz
30 Pits: Barrichello
30 Frentzen in 7th
31 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard->8.356s->(2) M.Schumacher
->17.136s->(3) J.Alesi->3.101s->(4) G.Fisichella
->4.639s->(5) J.Herbert->11.163s->(6) H.Frentzen
32 Pits: Frentzen 7.6s
33 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard (2) M.Schumacher
(3) J.Alesi (4) G.Fisichella
(5) J.Herbert (6) H.Frentzen
33 Trulli retires in a smoking car
34 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard->8.200s->(2) M.Schumacher
->24.362s->(3) J.Alesi->0.412s->(4) G.Fisichella
->0.623s->(5) J.Herbert->19.290s->(6) A.Wurz
35 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard->7.908s->(2) M.Schumacher
(3) J.Alesi (4) G.Fisichella
(5) J.Herbert (6) A.Wurz
36 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard->8.324s->(2) M.Schumacher
->27.886s->(3) J.Alesi->0.878s->(4) G.Fisichella
->0.321s->(5) J.Herbert->30.308s->(6) H.Frentzen
37 Fastest lap: Coulthard 1m 19.635s
37 Pits: Herbert 10.8s
40 Pits: Coulthard 10.5s
41 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) D.Coulthard
(3) J.Alesi (4) G.Fisichella
(5) J.Herbert (6) H.Frentzen
42 10s Penalty: Herbert pit lane speeding
42 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher->10.420s->(2) D.Coulthard
->26.001s->(3) J.Alesi->2.694s->(4) G.Fisichella
->17.941s->(5) J.Herbert->4.562s->(6) H.Frentzen
44 Pits: M.Schumacher 9.8s
44 Herbert takes 10s penalty
45 Pits: Fisichella 7.9s
47 Pits: Alesi 9.0s
47 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard (2) M.Schumacher
(3) H.Frentzen (4) J.Alesi
(5) G.Fisichella (6) J.Herbert
49 Current Positions: (1) D.Coulthard->12.224s->(2) M.Schumacher
->35.692s->(3) H.Frentzen->4.284s->(4) J.Alesi
->3.508s->(5) G.Fisichella->22.148s->(6) J.Herbert
50 Panis unlaps from M.Schumacher
51 Pits: M.Schumacher 6.5s
51 Pits: Frentzen 8.2s
52 Pits: Coulthard - stalls getting out
52 Big crash Panis
52 Current Positions: (1) M.Schumacher (2) J.Alesi
(3) G.Fisichella (4) H.Frentzen
(5) J.Herbert (6) S.Nakano
52 Safety Car on track
54 Panis hurt
55 Ambulance on track
56 RACE STOPPED
Track Times:
Pos Driver Team Race Time
--------------------------------------------------------
1 M.Schumacher Ferrari 1hr 17m 40.616s (54 Laps)
2 J.Alesi Benetton Gap 0m 2.565s
3 G.Fisichella Jordan Gap 0m 3.219s
4 H.Frentzen Williams Gap 0m 3.768s
5 J.Herbert Sauber Gap 0m 4.716s
6 S.Nakano Prost Gap 0m 36.701s
7 D.Coulthard McLaren Gap 0m 37.753s (Fastest Lap: 1m 19.635s)
8 P.Diniz Arrows Laps behind: 1
9 D.Hill Arrows Laps behind: 1
10 G.Morbidelli Sauber Laps behind: 1
11 O.Panis Prost Laps behind: 2
Retirements:
---------------------
R.Barrichello Stewart
M.Salo Tyrrell
J.Verstappen Tyrrell
A.Wurz Benetton
J.Trulli Minardi Laps Behind: 21 Reason: Mechanical problem
R.Schumacher Jordan Laps Behind: 40 Reason: Spun off into barriers
U.Katayama Minardi Laps Behind: 48 Reason: Spun off into wall
J.Villeneuve Williams Laps Behind: 53 Reason: Spun off into wall
M.Hakkinen McLaren Laps Behind: 54 Reason: Crash at first corner
E.Irvine Ferrari Laps Behind: 54 Reason: Crash at first corner
J.Magnussen Stewart Laps Behind: 54 Reason: Crash at first corner
auto-moto.603obren,
Stanje na tabelama:
Šampionat vozača Šampionat konstruktora
--------------------- -------------------------
1 M. Schumacher 37 1 Ferrari 51
2 J. Villeneuve 30 2 Williams 43
3 O. Panis 15 3 Benetton 23
4 E. Irvine 14 4 McLaren 21
5 H. Frentzen 13 5 Prost 16
J. Alesi 13 6 Jordan 12
7 D. Coulthard 11 7 Sauber 8
8 M. Hakkinen 10 8 Stewart 6
G. Berger 10 9 Tyrrell 2
10 G. Fisichella 8
11 J. Herbert 7
12 R. Barrichello 6
13 R. Schumacher 4
14 M. Salo 2
15 S. Nakano 1
N. Larini 1
auto-moto.604darth.vader,
>> 1. M Schumacher
>> 2. J Alesi
>> 3. G Fisichella
Strasno... :(((
Mehanicari McLaren Mercedesa su prodati 500%
Steta i za Panisa... Covek je taman poceo da vozi neverovatno, prestigo
onog prvog majmuna, i srokao se bezveze...
Zna li se sta je bio uzrok gubljenja kontrole ?
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.605darth.vader,
>> 7. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes +37.753
AAAA :((((((((((((((((
auto-moto.606junior,
> 1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:17:40.616
Zar nije legenda? ... u Ferariju ;)
auto-moto.607junior,
> Hill: "Brine me kako će Panis proći. Što se tiče trke,
> prekinuta je ranije nego što treba, ali ipak smo i Pedro i ja
> završili."
Klap, klap, klap ... ;)
Šta mislite, hoće li uzeti koji bod do kraja sezone?
auto-moto.608vpoznanovic,
Evo još jednog izvještaja s trke...
F1: Canadian GP report
Schumacher got away well at the start and into the lead, with Villeneuve
following behind, and Fisichella 3rd. Irvine was already off the track with
someone elses wing. Magnussen was also out, Panis was pitting along with
Hakkinen. An eventful first lap. Villeneuve joined in the fun on lap 2
going off on his own after over cooking it at the right left flick before
the pits, and retiring from the race. Exit the Canadian interest in the
race.
At the start Schumacher was putting in the fast times, and pulling a
healthy lead out over Fisichella, Alesi, Coulthard, Frentzen and Ralf
Schumacher. Alexander Wurz was up to 7th in his first race. Hill made his
first stop to try and cure an inbalance on lap 4. Panis, meanwhile, was
setting the pace now that he was back in the race. Further down the order
Katayama went off in a big way, hitting the armco head on. The safety car
was then brought out to recover the car. Hill pitted again, and Frentzen
made his first stop.
Once the racing restarted the order was M Schumacher, Fisichella, Alesi,
Coulthard, R Schumacher, and Wurz. Barichello, Verstappen and Salo had a
merry battle for 7th place, with Herbert just behind. Verstappen made a
move on Barrichello, and managed to get by. Salo tried also, but took the
long route around the outside. It failed. Whilst this battle was going on,
Ralf Schumachers race was over. A rear tyre "exploded" and send the car
careering down the armco and into the tyres nose first (again). Wurz was
now up to 5th, and Verstappen to 6th. Salo was continuing his battle with
Barrichello, and Herbert was now also joining in the fun. Salo had a go,
but had to back off when they came across the yellows for Schumacher Jr. At
his next attempt he did it, and Herbert also lunged at Barrichello and also
took a place. Down two places in a lap.
By lap 22, Schumacher was setting laps in the low 1m20's, whilst fellow
German Frentzen was down in 11th suffering from severe blistering (as in
Spain). At the front Coulthard was up with Fisichella and Alesi, with
Schumacher setting laps in the 1m20's. Fisichella and Alesi pitted from 2nd
and third, and came out orders reversed. Coulthard was now up to 2nd, with
Wurz third, Alesi 4th, Fisichella 5th and Salo 6th. Wurz was next to pit,
with Salo doing likewise. Barrichello had been a little too enthusiastic
with his pit stop, and found himself with a 10 second penalty for speeding
in the pit lane. The order on lap 27 was now Schumacher, Coulthard, Alesi,
Fisichella, Herbert and Wurz. Next to pit was Michael Schumacher, giving
Coulthard the lead, and setting laps in the 1m19's!
The order was now Coulthard, Schumacher, Alesi, Fisichella, Herbert, Wurz,
Frentzen, Verstappen, Salo and Diniz. On lap 33, Frentzen pitted again with
badly blistered tyres. Trulli was the next to retire, and Herbert pitted.
Coulthard now had an 8 second lead over Schumacher, whilst Herbert was
attacking Fisichella for 4th place, only to pit with very blistered tyres.
Sadly, Wurz retired after making a very impressive debut for the Benetton
team. Coulthard was soon pitting, and lost the lead to Schumacher. The
German was on a two stop strategy, against Coulthards planned one stop. It
wouldn't be long until Schumacher had to relinquish the lead. Herbert was
next to suffer from enthusiastic pit stops, and find himself with a 10
second penalty. Ferrari were now ready for a stop, with the order
Schumacher, Coulthard (10.4 seconds behind), Alesi, Fisichella, Herbert,
Frentzen, Panis, Verstappen, Salo and Nakano. Schumacher and Panis pitted
at the same time. Panis got away quicker, and delayed the German. Coulthard
was back in the lead. Verstappen was also soon pit bound, with Fisichella
and Alesi pitting soon.
A little later Schumacher was back in the pits with severely blistered
tyres, Frentzen also pitted. The McLaren team decide to take a gamble and
bring Coulthard in from his healthy lead to be safe. Unfortunately it
didn't pay off, with the car stalling in the pit from an undiagnosed clutch
problem. On the track Panis' Prost lost it on the track on turn 4, with the
rear letting go, pitching the Prost into the tyres head on. Panis was
moving in the car, but did not get out. The safety car was brought out, and
the medical team soon arrived. The race continued for a few laps behind the
safety car, whilst Panis was removed and treated at the side of the track.
The race was soon red flagged.
Race stopped on lap 56 due an accident involving Olivier Panis
1. Schumacher
2. Alesi
3. Fisichella
4. Frentzen
5. Herbert
6. Nakano
Initial (unconfirmed) reports from the track indicate that Panis has
nothing worse than broken legs. More details to follow.
auto-moto.609vpoznanovic,
I, naravno, po običaju, konferencija za štampu...
F1: Canadian GP winners' press conference
Q. Congratulations, Michael, on equalling Fangio's 27 Grand
Prix victories. Why did you have to make that unexpected
third pit stop?
MS: I took it fairly easy after the second pit stop but
immediately picked up a blister and had to come in to
change them. After that we all know what happened in the
race. We had already put in enough fuel to take me to
the end of the race and it had not been our intention to
stop again. Panis was able to get past me easily because
I had blistered the rear tyres so badly and he was quick
enough on straight line speed to go past me.
Q. Do you think you would have been able to catch David
Coulthard if he had not stalled at his pit stop?
MS: We all had the same problem and it would have depended
on how well he took care of his tyres at the end there.
It depends very much: I don't know whether my fourth set
of tyres would have lasted to the end, and the same
probably applies to David.
Q. Jean, you've taken 2nd place here to add to the 3rd
place you took in Spain. You must be happy to see your
fortunes improving ...
JA: As Michael has said we are all sad about what has
happened to Olivier Panis and we hope to see him fully
recovered and back in his car soon. When you have seen a
car in bits spread all over the circuit it is impossible
to celebrate on the podium. But of course, it is always
good to bring six points to the team, as we did today,
and I am happy.
Q. Can Benetton continue to make progress?
JA: We did some very good testing in Silverstone last week
and we will be testing again before the French GP. Our
car will probably be very competitive there but it is
not possible to say we will win.
Q. Giancarlo, congratulations on your first podium finish.
GF: I am very pleased. I set myself the target of getting a
podium place this season, so be third here is
incredible. But although I am very happy for myself I am
not so happy about the Panis accident.
Q. Did you have any problems during the race?
GF: On the second set I had a problem with blisters on the
front right. Apart from that, everything was OK.
Q. What did you think when Jacques went out to quickly?
MS: What do you think? If someone spins, you look for the
next one who is coming. That was Giancarlo. At a certain
stage he was pushing quite hard, when I wanted to save
my tyres. Jacques could have made the situation more
difficult for me. But apparently Coulthard was the one
today who was to be beaten. He was very fast on his
first stint, even though he was on a one stop strategy
with a lot of fuel. Without their problems, they should
have won today.
Q. What do you now do with the FIA about the safety of this
circuit?
MS: You can be sure that we will study what happened. We
will give our input on what we think should be done.
Then it is up to the FIA to do what is necessary. The
drivers will be involved in this and (help) the FIA to
do the right things.
Q. Michael, did you notice the problems in the high speed
corners in pre-season testing?
MS: It was there from the beginning, but believe me, at the
beginning we didn't just have it in fast corners! We
had it everywhere. If I take my first test in Jerez, I
was quite far off the pace. Therefore I'm pretty pleased
with what we are achieving with this car. I'm actually
looking forward to the next couple of races because we
are going to introduce some new parts into the car which
should make a reasonable difference. I hope that will be
enough to solve the problems we have at Barcelona,
Silverstone, and Magny Cours.
Q. Are you surprised that the race wasn't stopped
immediately after the accident?
MS: It is the same whether you are behind the safety car or
stop the race immediately. It doesn't change the
taking care of Olivier. Race control had to judge the
situation and take their time. As soon as the safety car
is out, we all go so slow that we are no danger for this
situation.
Q. What should be improved safety wise at the track?
MS: There is no point in discussing this year with you. We
want to discuss it with the FIA to achieve the most,
and there is no point in going through the press with
this.
JA: I have been here since 1989 and the circuit was very
similar then. But many places were very dangerous. A lot
of work was done already, but every year we must all
talk together to suggest the necessary developments.
auto-moto.610darth.vader,
>> Coulthard: "Nisam znao da li ce pneumatici potrajati do kraja."
Eeee, da je ostao jos samo 2 kruga... :(((((
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.611darth.vader,
>> > Hill: "Brine me kako ce Panis proci. Sto se tice trke,
>> Klap, klap, klap ... ;)
>> Sta mislite, hoce li uzeti koji bod do kraja sezone?
Hoce 100% Uzece 0 bodova ;>
Najzanimljiviji duel ove sezone je Hill:Verstappen (sto je i normalno
jer imaju najjace bolide ;))) Inace, duel se sastoji u tome ko ce pre
da parkira pored staze ;)))
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.612nigy,
>Neko je trazio pregled trke:
Ja. Hvala. :)
auto-moto.613pecanac,
Slike sa trke F1 u Kanadi.
1. Ova je više za galeriju.
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ct1.jpgauto-moto.614pecanac,
2. M. Schumacher i Alesi razgovaraju dok idu ka postolju.
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ct2.jpgauto-moto.615pecanac,
3. Alesi na postolju, sa dignutim peharom.
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ct3.jpgauto-moto.616pecanac,
4. Pre warm-up-a bolidi postrojeni na čelu sa Cultard-ovom mečkom.
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ct4.jpgauto-moto.617pecanac,
5. Posle starta, u krivini, svi bolidi u kadru.
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ct5.jpgauto-moto.618obren,
Đani Morbideli, vozač Zaubera, završio je u bolnici sa slomljenom levom
rukom, nakon što se pri velikoj brzini slupao prilikom testiranja u
Manjikuru u Francuskoj. Podneo je i lakšu operaciju ruke tako da će za
koji dan napustiti bolnicu.
Vozač koji će zamenjivati Morbidalija je Norberto Fontana, 22-godišnji
Argentinac koji je test-vozač u ekipi Zauber od 1995. godine, a ovo će
mu inače biti prva trka u šampionatu Formule 1.
auto-moto.619obren,
Minardijev vozač Jarno Truli pridružiće se ove sedmice Emanuelu Kolardu
u testiranju za Prost Grand Prix tim u Manjukuru u Francuskoj.
Olivije Panis, koji je teško povređen (višestruki prelomi obe noge) u
toku poslednje trke u Kanadi, teško da će moći da se vrati Formuli 1
pre početka naredne sezone, tako da je tim prinuđen da traži zamenu za
preostalih deset trka.
Portparol Prostovog tima je najavio da Kolard vrši testove zajedno sa
Jarnom Trulijem, tako da će se tim odlučiti za jednog od njih dvojice
u dogledno vreme. Iako je Kolard bio test vozač u Vilijamsu, Benetonu
i Tirelu, ipak se očekuje angažman Jarnoa Trulija koji ima iskustva u
pravim trkama
Takođe, Prostov tim je dobio novu generaciju Mugen-Honda motora, koji
se trenutno testiraju a debitovaće već na prvo sledećoj trci, na žalost
bez Olivijea Panisa koji je pre povrede najavio mnogo uzbuđenja na
domaćoj stazi, ali za koga je ova sezona prerano završena.
auto-moto.620vpoznanovic,
Nije moguće da je prošlo već tri dana a da niko nije spomenuo ishod
istorijske trke CART serije? :)
Za one koji ne znaju, ovogodišnji Budweiser/G.I. Joe's 200 koji se vozio
u Portlandu završen je pobjedom Marka Blundella, koji je bukvalno na
izlasku iz posljednje krivine prestigao do tada vodećeg Gila de Ferrana,
i na cilju ga nadmašio za čitavih :) 0.027 sekundi (najmanja razlika u
istoriji ovog takmičenja). Da urnebes bude veći, Raul Boesel,
trećeplasirani, na kraju je bio samo 0.055 sekundi sporiji od pobjednika
(takođe najmanja razlika između prvog i trećeg u istoriji), dok je
Christian Fittipaldi, koji je kao četvrti stigao na cilj, zaostao svega
1.069 sekundi.
Inače, bila je to prva pobjeda Blundella u karijeri, a postigao ju je
u kišnim uslovima prvenstveno zahvaljujući sjajnoj taktici promjene
pneumatika. U šampionatu i dalje vodi Tracy sa 100, ispred Moorea sa 95
bodova.
auto-moto.621vector,
Subj: Portland, Oregon - Budweiser / G.I. Joe's 200 -- CART World Series
Dakle, Scott Pruett je u poslednjim sekundama kvalifikacijama uspeo da
osvoji pol poziciju isped De Ferrana.
1. Scott Pruett 59.383
2. Gil De Ferran 59.433
3. Christian Fittipaldi 59.752
4. Mauricio Gugelmin 59.860
5. Dario Franchitti 59.876
6. Michael Andretti 59.951
7. Alex Zanardi 60.021
8. Jimmy Vasser 60.024
9. Greg Moore 60.107
10. Bobby Rahal 60.152
11. Mark Blundell 60.158
12. Bryan Herta 60.229
Firestone -- dominantan u prvom delu trke, kada je padala kisa.
Goodyear -- odlican u drugom delu trke, kada se staza osusila.
Alex Zanardi je zbog loseg starta bio potisnut na jedanaesto mesto,
ali se vrlo brzo (u dosta teskim uslovima) vratio na prvu poziciju.
Jednostavno, u uslovima teske kise, bio je nezaustavljiv. Medjutim,
opet nije imao srece. Pri kraju trke, kada je staza vec pocela da
se susi, ostao je na istrosenim kisnim gumama i svi su ga prestigli.
Chip & Co su pogresili pri izboru taktike. :( Steta.
Mark Blundell je tokom cele trke vozio odlicno. Za vreme kise,
uspeo je da nadoknadi nekih 6,7 pozicija i pokazao da pri voznji
treba misliti glavom :), a ne praviti glupe greske tokom trke kao
neki vozaci (citaj: Pol Trejsi). U neverovatnom (foto) finisu
uspeo je da pobedi isped De Ferrana za samo 27 hiljaditih delova
sekunde !
Dario Franchitti, covek koji je izbacio Zanardija iz trke pre dve
nedelje, je opet pravio probleme. U nedelju je njegova meta bio Al
Unser Jr. :)
Christian Fittipaldi je zavrsio trku na cetvrtom mestu, sto je posle
one teske nesrece u Australiji fenomenalan rezultat.
Da je kisa nastavila da pada (pri kraju trke), verujem da bi Zanardi
pobedio. Medjutim, to se nije desilo. Chip & Co su pogresili u izboru
taktike. Zanardi je trku zavrsio na jedanaestom mestu, dok Vasser
nije uzeo ni jedan jedini poen! Pocinjem da mislim da je za njih
titula vec osigurana. U odnosu na njih dvojicu, Trejsi ima ogromnu
prednost, tu su i Andretti i Moore (mada je malo verovatno da ce on
uzeti sampionat ;).
1. Mark Blundell
2. Gil De Ferran
3. Raul Boesel
4. Christian Fittipaldi
5. Greg Moore
6. Mauricio Gugelmin
7. Paul Tracy
8. Michael Andretti
9. Parker Johnstone
10. Adrian Fernandez
11. Alex Zanardi
12. Michel Jourdain
Posle devet trka u sampionatu i dalje vodi Trejsi.
1. Paul Tracy 100
2. Greg Moore 95
3. Michael Andretti 91
4. Gil De Ferran 77
5. Jimmy Vasser 69
Alex Zanardi 69
Sledeca trka je u Klivlendu 13. jula.
auto-moto.622vector,
Koliko sam cuo na Eurosportu, Gerhard Berger ce odsustvovati i sa
trke u Francuskoj (Magny Course). Zamenice ga Wurz (kao i prosli put).
auto-moto.623stukelj,
> sanse da zavrsi trku i na prvoj poziciji, ali se to (nazalost) nije
> desilo zbog Franchittija, koji je pravio raznorazne gluposti tokom trke.
Franchitti je nastavio da terorise stazama u Americi ! Ovaj put je
izbacio Unsera ! Postavlja se pitanje : Ko je sledeca zrtva poludelog
Franchittija ?
auto-moto.624vector,
(¨) Koliko sam cuo na Eurosportu, Gerhard Berger ce odsustvovati i sa
(¨) trke u Francuskoj (Magny Course). Zamenice ga Wurz (kao i prosli put).
Slicno tome, ni Aleks Krivilje (Alex Criville) nece ucestvovati na
500cc trci u Holandiji (Assen) zbog ozbiljne povrede leve sake.
Mick vec ima prednost od, cini mi se, 43 poena. Izgleda da ce ove
godine osvojiti sampionat jos lakse nego prethodne.
auto-moto.625vpoznanovic,
French Grand Prix 1997
from Magny-Cours, France
27th June 1997 - 29th June 1997
Friday, June 27th
1st Free Practice (11:00 - 12:00 CET)
2nd Free Practice (13:00 - 14:00 CET)
Saturday, June 28th
3rd Free Practice (9:00 - 9:45 CET)
4th Free Practice (10:15 - 11:00 CET)
Qualifying (13:00 - 14:00 CET)
Sunday, June 29th
Warm-up (9:30 - 10:00 CET)
Race (14:00 CET)
auto-moto.626vector,
M. Sumaher najbrzi na nezvanicnom treningu ?
auto-moto.627vpoznanovic,
F1: French GP Friday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:18.339
2. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:18.838 0.499 0.499
3. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:20.014 1.176 1.675
4. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:20.020 0.006 1.681
5. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:20.225 0.205 1.886
6. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:20.469 0.244 2.130
7. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:21.512 1.043 3.173
8. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:21.742 0.230 3.403
9. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:22.206 0.464 3.867
10. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:23.232 1.026 4.893
11. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:23.469 0.237 5.130
107% of fastest time: 1:23.822
12. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:23.839 0.370 5.500
13. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:24.494 0.655 6.155
14. Tarso Marques BR Minardi-Hart 1:24.535 0.041 6.196
15. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:25.449 0.914 7.110
16. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:26.108 0.659 7.769
17. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.460 1.352 9.121
18. Norberto Fontana ARG Sauber-Petronas 1:27.905 0.445 9.566
19. Jarno Trulli I Prost-Mugen 1:29.600 1.695 11.261
20. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:31.193 1.593 12.854
21. Alexander Wurz A Benetton-Renault 1:31.943 0.750 13.604
22. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:34.357 2.414 16.018
auto-moto.628obren,
Rezultati kvalifikacija za V.N. Francuske
1. M. Schumacher Ferrari
2. Frentzen Williams
3. R. Schumacher Jordan
4. Villeneuve Williams
5. Irvine Ferrari
6. Trulli Prost
7. Wurz Benetton
8. Alesi Benetton
9. Coulthard McLaren
10. Hakkinen McLaren
Razlika između prvog i šestog je 0.400 sec!
auto-moto.629vpoznanovic,
F1: French GP Saturday Free Practice
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:14.596
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:14.987 0.391 0.391
3. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:15.184 0.197 0.588
4. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:15.313 0.129 0.717
5. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.443 0.130 0.847
6. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:15.452 0.009 0.856
7. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:15.858 0.406 1.262
8. Alexander Wurz A Benetton-Renault 1:15.885 0.027 1.289
9. Jarno Trulli I Prost-Mugen 1:16.162 0.277 1.566
10. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:16.232 0.070 1.636
11. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.243 0.011 1.647
12. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:16.320 0.077 1.724
13. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:16.523 0.203 1.927
14. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:16.609 0.086 2.013
15. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:16.941 0.332 2.345
16. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:17.008 0.067 2.412
17. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:17.085 0.077 2.489
18. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:17.174 0.089 2.578
19. Norberto Fontana ARG Sauber-Petronas 1:17.263 0.089 2.667
20. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:17.280 0.017 2.684
21. Tarso Marques BR Minardi-Hart 1:18.109 0.829 3.513
22. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:19.469 1.360 4.873
107% of fastest time: 1:19.817
auto-moto.630vpoznanovic,
F1: French GP Saturday Qualifying
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:14.548
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:14.749 0.201 0.201
3. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:14.755 0.006 0.207
4. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:14.800 0.045 0.252
5. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:14.860 0.060 0.312
6. Jarno Trulli I Prost-Mugen 1:14.957 0.097 0.409
7. Alexander Wurz A Benetton-Renault 1:14.986 0.029 0.438
8. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:15.228 0.242 0.680
9. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.270 0.042 0.722
10. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.339 0.069 0.791
11. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:15.453 0.114 0.905
12. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:15.857 0.404 1.309
13. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:15.876 0.019 1.328
14. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:16.018 0.142 1.470
15. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:16.149 0.131 1.601
16. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:16.536 0.387 1.988
17. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:16.729 0.193 2.181
18. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:16.941 0.212 2.393
19. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:17.256 0.315 2.708
20. Norberto Fontana ARG Sauber-Petronas 1:17.538 0.282 2.990
21. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:17.563 0.025 3.015
22. Tarso Marques BR Minardi-Hart 1:18.280 0.717 3.732
107% of fastest time: 1:19.766
auto-moto.631darth.vader,
>> 1. M. Schumacher Ferrari
>> 6. Trulli Prost
>> Razlika izmedu prvog i sestog je 0.400 sec!
Sto ce reci da Prost stvarno ima dobar bolid.
Na kraju krajeva, Honda ipak Rulez :)
auto-moto.632nesha,
>Sto ce reci da Prost stvarno ima dobar bolid.
>Na kraju krajeva, Honda ipak Rulez :)
Jes.. Josh da u Francuskoj nije test staza dotichnog tima na kojoj oni
voze po ceo dan, chovek bi pomislio svashta..
auto-moto.633obren,
>> Sto ce reci da Prost stvarno ima dobar bolid.
>> Na kraju krajeva, Honda ipak Rulez :)
>
> Jes.. Josh da u Francuskoj nije test staza dotichnog tima na
> kojoj oni voze po ceo dan, chovek bi pomislio svashta..
Jedino ako je Minardiju matična staza u Francuskoj ;) Truli je
bukvalno pre 4-5 dana došao kod Prosta i prvi put seo u bolid
Prost-Mugen... Trebalo je da se vozač izabere između Kolarda i
Buljona, ali im je Truli pomrsio račune kad je Prost video
vremena koja dečko postiže.
auto-moto.634vpoznanovic,
F1: French GP Sunday Warmup
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time Gap To 1st
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari 1:30.456
2. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:31.613 1.157 1.157
3. Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:31.986 0.373 1.530
4. Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.307 0.321 1.851
5. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.369 0.062 1.913
6. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot 1:32.573 0.204 2.117
7. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault 1:32.916 0.343 2.460
8. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault 1:33.314 0.398 2.858
9. Alexander Wurz A Benetton-Renault 1:33.789 0.475 3.333
10. Norberto Fontana ARG Sauber-Petronas 1:33.910 0.121 3.454
11. Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 1:33.972 0.062 3.516
12. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha 1:34.061 0.089 3.605
13. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot 1:34.284 0.223 3.828
14. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas 1:34.425 0.141 3.969
15. Jarno Trulli I Prost-Mugen 1:34.514 0.089 4.058
16. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault 1:34.697 0.183 4.241
17. Tarso Marques BR Minardi-Hart 1:34.786 0.089 4.330
18. Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:35.174 0.388 4.718
19. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart 1:35.569 0.395 5.113
20. Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen 1:35.929 0.360 5.473
21. Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha 1:36.257 0.328 5.801
22. Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 1:37.212 0.955 6.756
auto-moto.635nesha,
> Jedino ako je Minardiju maticna staza u Francuskoj ;)
E bre, Obrene, nishta me ne slushash.. Ako oni znaju da podese bolid za tu
stazu, sa bilo kojim vozachem ce biti brzi nego inache.
auto-moto.636obren,
Rezultati trke:
1. M. Schumacher
2. Frentzen
3. Irvine
4. Villeneuve
5. Alesi
6. R. Schumacher
7. Coulthard (izleteo ali ušao u plasman)
Sve vreme se očekivala kiša, tako da su kod drugog pit-stopa neki
timovi stavili kišne gume iako je promicala tek po koja kap kiše.
Kiša je zaista počela da pada u poslednjoj trećini trke, ali dosta
timova je ostalo da vozi sa slikovima (među njima i vodeći Šumaher
i Frencen, koji su jedini završili trku sa slik pneumaticima) sve
do same završnice kada je počeo jači pljusak.
auto-moto.637junior,
> 1. M. Schumacher
Šta ti je iskustvo. ;)
PS. Jel' Hill završio?
PPS. Mada, ako je padala kiša .. on ne bi zavrźio ni sa Williamsom ;))
auto-moto.638obren,
> PS. Jel' Hill završio?
>
> PPS. Mada, ako je padala kiša .. on ne bi zavrźio ni sa Williamsom ;))
Samo se ti smej, ali on je završio na solidnom ;) 12. mestu. Nećemo sad
o tome da je to u stvari poslednje mesto, bitno je da je završio ;)
auto-moto.639vector,
Ň═Ş
│ │ PPS. Mada, ako je padala kisa .. on ne bi zavrźio ni sa Williamsom ;))
ď═ż
Podsetimo se svi trke u Brazilu prosle godine, kada je Hill vrlo
dobro vozio u prilicno teskim uslovima. :)
auto-moto.640vpoznanovic,
F1: French GP results
Pos Driver Nat Constructor Time
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Michael Schumacher D Ferrari 1:38:50.492
2. Heinz-Harald Frentzen D Williams-Renault +23.537
3. Eddie Irvine GB Ferrari +1:14.801
4. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault +1:21.784
5. Jean Alesi F Benetton-Renault +1:22.735
6. Ralf Schumacher D Jordan-Peugeot +1:29.871
7. David Coulthard GB McLaren-Mercedes -1 lap
8. Johnny Herbert GB Sauber-Petronas -1 lap
9. Giancarlo Fisichella I Jordan-Peugeot -1 lap
10. Jarno Trulli I Prost-Mugen -2 laps
11. Ukyo Katayama J Minardi-Hart -2 laps
12. Damon Hill GB TWR-Yamaha -3 laps
DNF Mika Salo FIN Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 on lap 65 Spun
DNF Pedro Diniz BR TWR-Yamaha on lap 63 Spun
DNF Alexander Wurz A Benetton-Renault on lap 63 Spun
DNF Norberto Fontana ARG Sauber-Petronas on lap 43 Spun
DNF Rubens Barrichello BR Stewart-Ford ZV10 on lap 37 Mechanical
DNF Jan Magnussen DK Stewart-Ford ZV10 on lap 35 Mechanical
DNF Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes on lap 15 Mechanical
DNF Jos Verstappen NL Tyrrell-Ford EDV8 on lap 14 Spun
DNF Shinji Nakano J Prost-Mugen on lap 10 Spun
DNF Tarso Marques BR Minardi-Hart on lap 5 Mechanical
auto-moto.641vpoznanovic,
Formula 1 Tables 1997
(Calculated up to and including the French Grand Prix)
Drivers Championship (unofficial)
1. M. Schumacher 47
2. J. Villeneuve 33
3. H. Frentzen 19
4. E. Irvine 18
5. O. Panis 15
J. Alesi 15
7. D. Coulthard 11
8. M. Hakkinen 10
G. Berger 10
10. G. Fisichella 8
11. J. Herbert 7
12. R. Barrichello 6
13. R. Schumacher 5
14. M. Salo 2
15. S. Nakano 1
N. Larini 1
Constructors Championship (unofficial)
1. Ferrari 65
2. Williams 52
3. Benetton 25
4. McLaren 21
5. Prost 16
6. Jordan 13
7. Sauber 8
8. Stewart 6
9. Tyrrell 2
Laps in the Lead by Driver
1. J. Villeneuve 223
2. M. Schumacher 169
3. H. Frentzen 72
4. D. Coulthard 53
5. E. Irvine 6
6. G. Berger 2
7. J. Alesi 1
Laps in the Lead by Team
1. Williams 295
2. Ferrari 175
3. McLaren 53
4. Benetton 3
Most pole positions by Driver
1. J. Villeneuve 5
2. M. Schumacher 2
3. H. Frentzen 1
Most pole positions by Team
1. Williams 6
2. Ferrari 2
Race Laps Completed by Driver
1. M. Salo 446
2. M. Schumacher 443
J. Alesi 443
4. H. Frentzen 421
5. G. Fisichella 420
6. E. Irvine 400
7. O. Panis 385
8. J. Trulli 366
9. J. Herbert 359
10. D. Coulthard 355
11. J. Verstappen 351
12. M. Hakkinen 339
13. U. Katayama 337
14. P. Diniz 336
15. J. Villeneuve 335
16. G. Berger 330
17. S. Nakano 316
18. R. Schumacher 285
19. R. Barrichello 283
20. N. Larini 275
21. J. Magnussen 259
22. D. Hill 250
23. G. Morbidelli 115
24. A. Wurz 95
25. N. Fontana 41
26. T. Marques 3
Race Laps Completed by Team
1. Benetton 868
2. Ferrari 843
3. Tyrrell 797
4. Sauber 790
5. Prost 771
6. Williams 756
7. Jordan 705
8. McLaren 694
9. Minardi 636
10. Arrows 586
11. Stewart 542
Number of Fastest Laps by Driver
1. M. Schumacher 2
H. Frentzen 2
3. J. Villeneuve 1
G. Fisichella 1
D. Coulthard 1
G. Berger 1
Number of Fastest Laps by Team
1. Williams 3
2. Ferrari 2
3. Jordan 1
McLaren 1
Benetton 1
Most Retirements by Driver
1. R. Barrichello 7
2. R. Schumacher 6
J. Magnussen 6
D. Hill 6
P. Diniz 6
6. S. Nakano 5
7. J. Villeneuve 4
J. Verstappen 4
M. Salo 4
U. Katayama 4
11. J. Trulli 3
J. Herbert 3
M. Hakkinen 3
H. Frentzen 3
D. Coulthard 3
16. A. Wurz 2
O. Panis 2
N. Larini 2
E. Irvine 2
G. Fisichella 2
J. Alesi 2
22. N. Fontana 1
T. Marques 1
M. Schumacher 1
G. Berger 1
Most Retirements by Team
1. Stewart 13
2. Arrows 12
3. Tyrrell 8
Minardi 8
Jordan 8
6. Prost 7
Williams 7
8. Sauber 6
McLaren 6
10. Benetton 5
11. Ferrari 3
Most Crashes by Driver
1. J. Magnussen 2
E. Irvine 2
D. Hill 2
M. Hakkinen 2
5. J. Villeneuve 1
M. Schumacher 1
S. Nakano 1
J. Herbert 1
G. Fisichella 1
D. Coulthard 1
Most Crashes by Team
1. Ferrari 3
McLaren 3
3. Arrows 2
Stewart 2
5. Prost 1
Sauber 1
Williams 1
Jordan 1
Most Car Failures by Driver
1. R. Barrichello 7
2. R. Schumacher 5
3. D. Hill 4
4. M. Salo 3
J. Magnussen 3
P. Diniz 3
7. J. Villeneuve 2
J. Verstappen 2
S. Nakano 2
U. Katayama 2
H. Frentzen 2
12. T. Marques 1
A. Wurz 1
J. Trulli 1
O. Panis 1
N. Larini 1
J. Herbert 1
M. Hakkinen 1
D. Coulthard 1
J. Alesi 1
Most Car Failures by Team
1. Stewart 10
2. Arrows 7
3. Tyrrell 5
Jordan 5
5. Minardi 4
Williams 4
7. Prost 3
8. Sauber 2
McLaren 2
Benetton 2
Most Spin-Off's by Driver
1. P. Diniz 3
2. J. Verstappen 2
S. Nakano 2
U. Katayama 2
5. N. Fontana 1
A. Wurz 1
J. Villeneuve 1
J. Trulli 1
R. Schumacher 1
M. Salo 1
O. Panis 1
J. Magnussen 1
N. Larini 1
J. Herbert 1
H. Frentzen 1
G. Fisichella 1
D. Coulthard 1
G. Berger 1
J. Alesi 1
Most Spin-Off's by Team
1. Tyrrell 3
Prost 3
Minardi 3
Sauber 3
Arrows 3
Benetton 3
7. Williams 2
Jordan 2
9. McLaren 1
Stewart 1
auto-moto.642vector,
Ň═Ş
│ │ 4. Jacques Villeneuve CDN Williams-Renault +1:21.784
ď═ż
Kakve ovaj tip srece ima, to je neverovatno. :)
Jeste li videli onaj njegov "legendarni" ;) pokusaj da obidje
Irvajna u poslednjem krugu trke ? :))
(steta sto Alezi nije bio u blizini ;)
PS. Dobra mu je frizura. ;))
auto-moto.643darth.vader,
>> Jes.. Josh da u Francuskoj nije test staza dotichnog tima na kojoj oni
>> voze po ceo dan, chovek bi pomislio svashta..
Pa ako Trulli stvarno non stop vozi u Francuskoj, onda misli svasta...
auto-moto.644vector,
Pa kao sto covek rece, ako znaju da podese bolid za tu stazu, sa
bilo kojim vozacem ce biti brzi. :)
auto-moto.645stukelj,
> Podsetimo se svi trke u Brazilu prosle godine, kada je Hill vrlo
> dobro vozio u prilicno teskim uslovima. :)
Podsetimo se trke u Barseloni prosle godine, kada je Hill vrlo ocajno
vozio u prilicno teskim uslovima. ;)
auto-moto.646vector,
Danas je zvanicno receno da Aleks Krivilje nece ucestvovati na
500cc trkama do septembra zbog ozbiljne povrede leve sake, sto
znaci da ce Mick Doohan glatko osvojiti i cetvrtu sampionsku
titulu.
auto-moto.647vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Assen NED 125cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA Aprilia 38:50.264
2. Tomomi Manako JPN Honda 0.100
3. Kazuto Sakata JPN Aprilia 0.284
4. Noboru Ueda JPN Honda 0.512
5. Youichi Ui JPN Yamaha 0.871
6. Jorge Martinez SPA Aprilia 1.568
7. Masaki Tokudome JPN Aprilia 1.596
8. Roberto Locatelli ITA Honda 1.636
9. Frederic Petit FRA Honda 26.348
10. Masao Azuma JPN Honda 30.715
11. Jaroslav Hules CZE Honda 30.819
12. Manfred Geissler GER Honda 38.769
13. Gianluigi Scalvini ITA Honda 39.042
14. Juan E. Maturana SPA Yamaha 39.347
15. Ivan Goi ITA Aprilia 46.464
16. Angel Nieto Jr. SPA Aprilia 1:11.667
Championship Points 125cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Valentino Rossi ITA 145
2. Noboru Ueda JPN 112
3. Tomomi Manako JPN 91
4. Kazuto Sakata JPN 85
5. Jorge Martinez SPA 67
6. Masaki Tokudome JPN 56
7. Garry McCoy AUS 54
8. Masao Azuma JPN 47
auto-moto.648vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Assen NED 250cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Tetsuya Harada JPN Aprilia 38:09.016
2. Ralf Waldmann GER Honda 0.238
3. Loris Capirossi ITA Aprilia 12.506
4. Tohru Ukawa JPN Honda 30.663
5. Stefano Perugini ITA Aprilia 31.578
6. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN TS Honda 35.742
7. William Costes FRA Honda 56.803
8. Osamu Miyazaki JPN Yamaha 56.962
9. Jeremy McWilliams GBR Honda 57.360
10. Luis D'Antin SPA Yamaha 1:07.463
11. Franco Battaini ITA Yamaha 1:18.287
12. Oliver Petrucciani SUI Aprilia 1:20.436
13. C. Migliorati ITA Honda 1:20.744
14. Maurice Bolwerk NED Honda 2:13.335
15. Eustoquio Gavira SPA Aprilia 2:23.965
16. Gerard Rike NED Honda 1 lap
Championship Points 250cc
────────────────────────────────────────
1. Ralf Waldmann GER 118
2. Max Biaggi ITA 111
3. Tetsuya Harada JPN 106
4. Tohru Ukawa JPN 65
5. Loris Capirossi ITA 63
6. Olivier Jacque FRA 61
7. Haruchika Aoki JPN 50
8. Takeshi Tsujimura JPN 45
Neverovatno. Maxovi mehanicari nisu zavrsili svoj posao na vreme i
Max je morao da startuje iz boksa! Da stvar bude jos gora, izgleda
da je startovao pre vremena i morao da se vrati u boks da odradi
kaznu od 10 sekundi. Medjutim, kako nije poslusao (mozda nije ni
video) organizatora trke koji mu je pokazivao tablu (da se vrati
u boks), dobio je crnu zastavu.
... a taman je uspeo da se dogura do 7. mesta u prva tri kruga.
Harada je bio prebrz za Ralfa i kako sam kaze cekao je poslednji
krug da ga prestigne.
Loris je imao nekih problema sa motorom tako da je, uz puno srece,
uspeo da zavrsi trku (i to na 3. poziciji).
auto-moto.649vector,
Motorcycling World Championship, Assen NED 500cc
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1. Michael Doohan AUS Honda 43:37.954
2. Carlos Checa SPA Honda 10.560
3. Doriano Romboni ITA Aprilia 18.282
4. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Honda 24.048
5. Alberto Puig SPA Honda 28.105
6. Alex Barros BRA Honda 38.219
7. Daryl Beattie AUS Suzuki 43.217
8. Kenny Roberts Jr. USA ModenasKR3 47.525
;)
auto-moto.650vector,
Ň═Ş Podsetimo se trke u Barseloni prosle godine, kada je Hill vrlo ocajno
ď═ż vozio u prilicno teskim uslovima. ;)
Hey, zar nije Damon rekao da nisu "potpuno" podesili bolid za kisne
uslove ? Ocekivali su da ce se u jednom trenutku staza osusiti i da
ce tada imati prednost u odnosu na ostale. ;)
(koja laz ;)
auto-moto.651nigy,
> Motorcycling World Championship, Assen NED 125cc
> ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
> 1. Valentino Rossi ITA Aprilia 38:50.264
> 2. Tomomi Manako JPN Honda 0.100
> 3. Kazuto Sakata JPN Aprilia 0.284
> Motorcycling World Championship, Assen NED 250cc
> ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
> 1. Tetsuya Harada JPN Aprilia 38:09.016
> 2. Ralf Waldmann GER Honda 0.238
> 3. Loris Capirossi ITA Aprilia 12.506
> 4. Tohru Ukawa JPN Honda 30.663
> 5. Stefano Perugini ITA Aprilia 31.578
Jel' se to meni samo cini il' je Aprilia back on the road again? :)
auto-moto.652stukelj,
> Hey, zar nije Damon rekao da nisu "potpuno" podesili bolid za kisne
> uslove ? Ocekivali su da ce se u jednom trenutku staza osusiti i da
> ce tada imati prednost u odnosu na ostale. ;)
Najveca laz koju sam ikad cuo. Neverovatno je kako neko moze na ovakav
nacin da pravda svoju katastrofalnu voznju. Covek je 3 puta izleteo sa
staze! Pa koja budala ne bi namestila setup za kisu kad se videlo da kisa
nece prestati, i jos da je bila neka laka kisa pa da mu poverujes...
P.S. Mozda su i namestili setup za suvo. Ipak su oni na Monaku krenuli
na slikovima :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
auto-moto.653vector,
Ň═Ş
│ │ Jel' se to meni samo cini il' je Aprilia back on the road again? :)
ď═ż
Samo u 125cc. Iako je Aprilia dosta bolja od Honde u 250cc, tu su
Max, Ralf i Jacque da pokazu suprotno. :)
auto-moto.654darth.vader,
>> Pa kao sto covek rece, ako znaju da podese bolid za tu stazu, sa
>> bilo kojim vozacem ce biti brzi. :)
Pa onda mi nije jasno zasto im trebaju dobri vozaci ?
Mogu da unajme tebe i mene za sitne pare, pa kad se mi promangupiramo,
i trazimo puno love, oni opet uzmu neke vezare...
Lupas ---> ;)))
NHF naravno ;)
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.655mikeman,
>> 1. M. Schumacher
> Sta ti je iskustvo. ;)
Jeste li videli kako je par krugova pre kraja trke proklizao?
Ni sada mi nije jasno zasto nije menjao gume kada je pocela kisa.
Mogao je gadno da se zaj*be i da ispusti poene...
auto-moto.656vpoznanovic,
F1: French GP winners' press conference
Q. Congratulations, Michael, on your third victory of the
season and on consolidating your lead in the
championship to 14 points.
MS: It is an enjoyable victory -- and a very surprising
one. Obviously my predictions about the weekend were
totally wrong. But I am happy to take it as it is: to
get pole position and then the victory is the best you
can do. The way we did it was perfect, too, because we
made no mistakes in either the setup or the strategy.
Q. Did you stick with your pitstop strategy all the way
through?
MS: We were on a two-stopper and we stuck to that. In my
situation I had to watch Heinz-Harald, to see whether
he would be going for a tyre change or not, and that
meant I had to stay out as long as possible. That was
fairly difficult -- and I had a moment when I got into
the gravel at the first corner. I thought, 'oops, am I
ever going to get out of this?' But it worked, and I
was able to control the race after that.
Q. Heinz-Harald, you must be pleased today to have beaten
your team mate ...
HHF: Yes, I am happy with the result today. I really wanted
to finish well because so far this year I have only two
results in the points. I was astonished with Michael's
speed at the beginning. I thought he must have been
going for a three-stop strategy because although we
knew from testing that the tyres wouldn't be a problem,
you have to be careful in the early laps -- and he was
pushing like hell. That made me think he was on a
three-stop strategy -- and I let him go.
MS: Thank you!
HHF: Even though I was still pushing very hard, I thought he
would be making three stops.
Q. Were you tempted to come in and change to wet or
intermediate tyres?
HHF: There was a very critical point when the sky looked
clear over the track but it still wanted to rain. I
didn't know where the rain was coming from and it
obviously wasn't going to stop, so I started wondering
what Michael -- or the guy behind me -- would do at the
stage. There was no change at all: Michael seemed to be
taking the same strategy, based on the rain stopping
soon, because he stayed on his slick tyres. I decided
to stay with them as well -- and obviously the
situation was alright for us when it did stop raining
after a while. But I think we should have gone for the
intermediate tyres a couple of laps earlier, because at
the least that would have helped us to finish closer to
Michael.
Q. Williams has not been strong recently while Ferrari
has. What is your feeling about the team at mid-season?
HHF: It is a disappointment at the moment because everybody
was expecting Williams to have an easy-going year,
especially because Ferrari had so much to complain
about at the beginning of the season. Everybody was
expecting it to be quite easy for us. Even Michael has
been saying that he was not sure that he would be
getting into the points, it enccouraged us to think
that it would be easy for us. But now it has turned
around and it looks as though Ferrari is much more
competitive than it was a the beginning of the season.
At the moment Michael is the one to catch.
Q. What can Williams do about it?
HHF: We had a new specification of engine here, but it
wasn't a big improvement. It was a step in the right
direction. I hope that Renault is going to push a
little bit more in that case.
Q. Eddie, you must be delighted to be back for a fourth
podium appearance this year. And how about that
excellent start?
EI: I have had two bad races and it's a great feeling to be
back here. My start didn't feel too good: maybe other
people made really bad starts. I got far too much
wheelspin, but when Villeneuve braked far too early for
the first corner I just sailed round the outside of
him. After that I was able to pull away from him.
Q. On the last lap Jacques almost took you off at the last
corner. Did you know he was there?
EI: I knew he was coming up fast, but my intermediate rear
tyres had blistered really badly on the last lap and I
was just trying to hang on. In the second last hairpin
I just couldn't turn in because I knew the rear
wouldn't [grip], so I had to go straight on to the
grass, into the gravel and back out again. Every time I
tried to turn the steering wheel the rear wanted to go
straight on. It was pretty close -- but it made for an
exciting finish.
Q. Michael, what are your feelings about the British Grand
Prix in two weeks' time?
MS: If we have the same kind of change between testing and
the race [that we have had here], then obviously we are
looking good! The Silverstone test was awful -- so
let's see what this week brings when we go back there.
It will be our last chance to set up the car. [Whatever
happens in the race] I guess I now have enough points
in the world championship to be still leading after the
British GP. That is a good prospect for the rest of the
season.
auto-moto.657pecanac,
LM, evo malko slika sa zadnje trke F1 u Francuskoj.
Sve slike su vrlo kvalitetne, (kao i uvek :) preporučujem rezoluciju
800x600 za gledanje svih.
Formula Benettona spreda, krupan kadar. (trka)
724x480
fr_d2_03.jpgauto-moto.658pecanac,
Jean Alesi par minuta pre starta na stazi, dok je još i sva ekipa
tu oko njega. (8-mi na startu)
724x480
fr_d3_06.jpgauto-moto.659pecanac,
Dobrodošlica na stazu, parodija na Šumahera u Benetton odelu. :)
1024x667
franpr1.jpgauto-moto.660pecanac,
Mika Hakinen na treningu. Da li su gume u pitanju ili je motor
zaribao, svejedno, u oblaku je dima! :)
1024x638
frarac1.jpgauto-moto.661pecanac,
Oba mercedesa u kadru, i još neki...
1024x660
frarac2.jpgauto-moto.662pecanac,
Formula ferarija u krupnom planu. (vozi Šumi?)
800x545
frgp2.jpgauto-moto.663pecanac,
Šumaher prolazi prvi kroz cilj.
800x538
frgp3.jpgauto-moto.664pecanac,
Na postolju, Šumaher i Irvajn 'tuširaju gazdu' šampanjcem.
600x906
frgp4c.jpgauto-moto.665vpoznanovic,
F3000: Nurburgring race stopped after hard crash
The wet-race was red-flagged after four laps only, because of an
accident in third lap with three cars involved. Gareth Rees' Lola
suddenly became slow at the end of start/finish straight and Irishman
Dino Morelli drove into the rear, then into the side of the Draco-Lola
of Frenchman Cyrille Sauvage. Sauvage's car was torn into two parts.
Morelli's Lola then shot into a tyre wall at Castrol-S and was
catapulted over the barriers. Sauvage got out unhurt, Rees suffered
painful contusions. Morelli was brought to hospital by Helicopter,
where doctors diagnosted complicated fractures of his feet and several
cuts in his face. His condition is stable.
The race was not restarted, half points were given.
Results:
FORMULA 3000 INTERNATIONAL 1997 - Round 4 at Nurburgring
Pos Driver Team Time
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Riccardo Zonta/BR Super Nova Racing Ltd (4 laps) 7:57.334
2 Jason Watt/DK Den Bla Avis + 2.188
3 Tom Kristensen/DK Auto Sport Racing 4.872
4 Juan-Pablo Montoya/COL RSM Marko 17.822
5 Max Wilson/BR Edenbridge Racing 19.333
6 Gonzalo Rodriguez/ROU Redman & Bright F3000 20.723
7 Rui Aguas/P Nordic Racing Ltd. 21.663
8 Jamie Davis/GB DAMS 25.363
9 Oliver Tichy/A Pacific Racing Ltd. 27.238
10 Gaston Mazzacane/RA Auto Sport Racing 32.035
11 Emiliano Spataro/I Coloni Motorsport
12 Emanuel Clerico/F Apomatox
13 Patrick Lemarie/F Ravarotto Racing
14 Anthony Beltoise/F Ravarotto Racing
15 Pedro Couceiro/P Draco Engineering
16 Stephen Watson/ZA Durango Formula
17 Gregoire de Galzain/F DAMS
18 Werner Lupberger/ZA Edenbridge Racing
19 Soheil Ayari/F Astromega
20 Jean-Philippe Belloc/F Apomatox
Standings:
Pos Driver Pts
------------------------------------
1 Tom Kristensen 18
2 Juan-Pablo Montoya 11.5
3 Soheil Ayari 11
4 Jamie Davis 8
5 Pedro Couceiro 6
Dino Morelli 6
Oliver Tichy 6
Jason Watt 6
9 Riccardo Zonta 5 *
10 Patrick Lemarie 4
11 Laurent Redon 3
12 Rui Aguas 2
Cyrille Sauvage 2
14 Stephen Watson 1
Max Wilson 1
16 Gonzalo Rodriguez 0.5
* DQ after Silverstone for non installed 1st gear.
auto-moto.666darth.vader,
>> Mogao je gadno da se zaj*be i da ispusti poene...
Vala, steta sto nije...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.667mikeman,
> znaci da ce Mick Doohan glatko osvojiti i cetvrtu sampionsku
Odavno sam ja reko da je bezveze pratiti te trke kad je poznat pobednik.
A jos kad je Max presao u HoNdU totalno sam odustao od motora. (125cc
je veoma nezanimljiva klasa)
auto-moto.670space.ace,
> Pa onda mi nije jasno zasto im trebaju dobri vozaci ?
> Mogu da unajme tebe i mene za sitne pare, pa kad se mi promangupiramo,
> i trazimo puno love, oni opet uzmu neke vezare...
Ti lupaš, to je samo jedna trka u šampionatu, šta da rade na ostalih 16 ???
Zato uzimaju dobre vozače!!!
auto-moto.671space.ace,
> Podsetimo se trke u Barseloni prosle godine, kada je Hill vrlo ocajno
> vozio u prilicno teskim uslovima. ;)
A mogli bi se i podsetiti one slavne trke pre dve godine u Suzuki, kad je
Hill po neverovatno lošim uslovima (jaki pljusak) razbio sve ostale, čak je
obišao za krug i trećeplasiranog.
Posle te trke je razlika između Schumacher-a i Hill-a bila samo jedan bod,
i ostalo je istorija :(.
auto-moto.672junior,
Juče čuh .. Vilnev osniva sopstveni tim, sledeće sezone.
Otuda, verovatno i očajni rezultati koje postiže.
auto-moto.673nesha,
Postoji shansa da ce se voziti 18 trka ove sezone, chuo sam na nekom
francuskom programu, pa nishta nisam razumeo pored ovoga :))
auto-moto.674vector,
Ů│Ţ Postoji shansa da ce se voziti 18 trka ove sezone, chuo sam na nekom
Ů│Ţ francuskom programu, pa nishta nisam razumeo pored ovoga :))
Bilo je receno da ce se umesto Estorila voziti Jerez, zbog nekih
radova i prepravki na stazi. Mozda ce se ipak voziti obe staze ?
BTW, da li ove godine F1 kalendar ukljucuje i Nurburgring, kao
Veliku Nagradu Luksemburga ?
auto-moto.675stukelj,
> BTW, da li ove godine F1 kalendar ukljucuje i Nurburgring, kao
> Veliku Nagradu Luksemburga ?
Mozda ukljucuje i Mugello kao veliku nagradu Malezije ;)))
auto-moto.676darth.vader,
>> Ti lupas,to je samo jedna trka u sampionatu,sta da rade na ostalih 16 ??
>> Zato uzimaju dobre vozace!!!
Ma ako je sve u setup-u, kako je receno u nekoj od prethodnih poruka,
nema Boga da ce da i najbolji vozac da dobije trku...
No, ja i nisam rekao da im ne trebaju dobri vozaci...
See ya, Darth :)
auto-moto.677nesha,
>Ma ako je sve u setup-u, kako je receno u nekoj od prethodnih poruka,
Sve? Reci broj prethodne poruke u kojoj pishe tako neshto..
auto-moto.678vector,
Subj: FIM World Motorcycling Championships / Imola Grand Prix (ITA)
125cc: 1. Valentino Rossifumi ;)
2. Tomomi Manako
3. Kazuto Sakata
250cc: 1. Max Biaggi
2. Olivier Jacque
3. Tohru Ukawa
500cc: 1. Mick Doohan
2. Nobuatsu Aoki
3. Takuma Aoki