cyber.culture.1bulaja,
Odgovor na 8.66, mdrazic, 26.04.Sre 15:38
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Ovu diskusiju koja se tiče globalne arhitekture korisničog interfejsa
(zapravo još nisam ni primetio da je oko toga započeta prava diskusija,
ali ne bi bilo loše da započne:) bi svakako trebalo razdvojiti od
lingvističkih problema o kojima treba raspravljati u temi o.jeziku.
Nisam znao koja bi tema u CIVILIZACIJI bila najprikladnija za priču o
tome (u stvari da li to uopšte da ide u CIV, ali pošto je već ovde
započeta srodna diskusija ne bi bilo loše:) - ipak nekako mi se učinila
prigladnom :). Takođe izvinjavam se mdrazic-u što sam iskoristio njegovu
poruku za reply :) i što možda ponavljam nešto o čemu se već pričalo -
imao sam resign na staru CIVILIZACIJU O:) (nisam imao mnogo slobodnog
vremena da pratim sve diskusije na Sezamu, pa je najlakše bilo otpisati
CIV i FORUM:) pa ne znam da li je već bilo reči o ovome.
Da počnem sa riplajem: :)
││učinili bi dobru stvar za edukaciju programera ako bi preveli i
││objavili manifest dizajniranja programa Miča Kapora (objavljeno
││pre dve-tri godine u Dr. Dobbs-u, ako me pamćenje ne vara).
│└───
│Molim te ako znaš nešto više o ovoj referenci pošto sam veoma
│za to zainteresovan: u kom broju tačno je taj članak izašao i
│gde može da se nabavi (iskopira). Ako ga imaš javi mi se.
└───
Verovatno ga ima na Dr.Dobb's Journal CD-ROM-u koji sadrži sve članke
objavljene u DDJ-u zaključno sa prošlom godinom. Ja ga nemam (a rado
bi ga video:), ali pošto je o njemu već pričano u PC.USER pre nekih
mesec dana, mogao bi da se javi onaj ko ga ima :).
Inače sam dizajn korisničkog interfejsa je vrlo složena stvar koja
najmanje veze ima sa lingvistikom - u poslednjih nekoliko godina trend
je pre svega u vizuelnoj komunikaciji sa korisikom, pa primat dobijaju
razne ikonice, toolbar-ovi, grafičke kontrole,... Prva meni poznata
dobra definicija standardnog korisničkog interfejsa je IBM-ova SAA/CUA
specifikacija, ustanovljena je krajem 80-ih i npr. knjižica sa opisom
standarda se dobijala uz MS Windows SDK (Software Development Kit) v3.0.
Verovatno su Xerox i Apple napravili neki standard i pre toga, ali to mi
nije poznato :).
Microsoft ima svoj standard (tj. čini mi se da nisu doneli standard u
pravom smisli te reči, već pre neki gudelines tj. okvire kako aplikacija
treba da izgleda) koji se uglavnom oslanja na SAA/CUA (uz neke sitne
razlike pre svega u terminologiji). Mogao bi neko ko pri ruci ima MSDN
(Microsoft Software Developers Network) CD (imam ga ja ali mi je na
poslu, a na bolovanju sam ove nedelje:) da stavi ovde te osnovne
Microsoft-ove smernice arhitekture i elemente korisničkog interfejsa.
cyber.culture.2novim,
" ││objavili manifest dizajniranja programa Miča Kapora (objavljeno
" ││pre dve-tri godine u Dr. Dobbs-u, ako me pamćenje ne vara).
" │Molim te ako znaš nešto više o ovoj referenci pošto sam veoma
" Verovatno ga ima na Dr.Dobb's Journal CD-ROM-u koji sadrži sve članke
" objavljene u DDJ-u zaključno sa prošlom godinom. Ja ga nemam (a rado
" bi ga video:), ali pošto je o njemu već pričano u PC.USER pre nekih
" mesec dana, mogao bi da se javi onaj ko ga ima :).
Na žalost, ja nemam taj broj Dr.Dobb's-a, ali ako neko ima stare
brojeve (koliko se mogu setiti to je bilo negde između 1990. i 1993. -
neka mi pozajmi, prevešću ga za Sezam (ili neka neko drugi prevede,
naravno).
Sećam se, pak, da je tekst imao u naslovu "Manifesto" i ticao se
dizajna (sofvera). Tekst je, inače, načelan (nije "praktičan" u
doslovnom smislu te reči, tj. ne nudi neke gotove recepte; ovo
naglašavam da ne bi posle bilo neke zabune).
cyber.culture.3dr.grba,
>> Na žalost, ja nemam taj broj Dr.Dobb's-a, ali ako neko ima stare
>> brojeve (koliko se mogu setiti to je bilo negde između 1990. i 1993. -
Opet me priseti na slučaj od pre dve-tri nedelje, kad je drugar na kratko
doneo CD na kome su svi Dr.Dobb's od juna '88 do aprila '94. Bio sam cyber
nekulturan, pa sam zamolio dotičnog da mi nosi to od očiju i da me se seti
u sledećoj inkarnaciji.
cyber.culture.5smarkov,
> razne ikonice, toolbar-ovi, grafičke kontrole,... Prva meni poznata
> dobra definicija standardnog korisničkog interfejsa je IBM-ova SAA/CUA
> specifikacija, ustanovljena je krajem 80-ih i npr. knjižica sa opisom
Jedan od vrlo značajnih (kod nas, izgleda, dosta slabo poznat i korišćen)
standarda u domenu korisničkih interfejsa je OSF-ov Motif (De facto standard
- ne postoji nikakav papir u vidu stroge specifikacije). Uz Motif se,
zajedno sa ostalom dokumentacijom dobija *Motif Style Guide*.
Kad sam kod trendova koji su prilično značajni a kod nas nepoznati - da
li neko koristi TCL/Tk kombinaciju (PD softver, za razvoj korisničkog
interfejsa, interpretira se, sa Berkley poreklom - u USA, prema izveštajima
prijatelja, jako popularan). Koristim ga pod LINUX-om - oduševljen sam (ne
toliko funkcionalnošću koliko zaista divnim idejama). Ukratko - VB
funkcionalnost u 200K C source-a.
Kada čovek to vidi dodje mu da se rasplače nad, recimo, 70Mb koje mi
jedno dve godine zauzima Visual C++ ;). Dole, bre, WINDOWS i ostali softver
te vrste. (Softver, medjutim postoji i u WINDOWS verziji ne može od toga da
se pobegne :( ). Sa ovakvom kombinacijom, moguće je Tk aplikaciju (danas i
odmah) poterati na Linux-u, AIX-u, WINDOWS-u i SCO-u - za na primer. Isti kod,
ista funkcionalnost, isti poznati X&Motif look&feel ...
Postoje mnoge ekstenzije (od nezavisnih zaludjenika :) ) od kojih su meni bile
zanimljive : SQL klijent za Oracle, Motif povezivanje (koristi M-ove widgete
- originalno ne može jer je Motif komercijalni proizvod), incrTcl objektno
orijentisana ekstenzija, blt paket za grafičku/tabelarnu prezentaciju podataka
itd ...
Pretpostavljam da Linuxer-i znaju da ove pakete imaju instalirane (SLACKWARE
distribucija).
cyber.culture.6saricl,
Cyber culture je termin koji u poslednje vreme
dosta često srećem, i koliko sam shvatio ima dosta
veze sa trenutnim, prošlim, i imaginarnim događanjima
na Internetu.
Tako reći neka vrsta kulture, ispravite me ako grešim.
Može li mi neko reći šta je to tačno, a takođe sam
čuo i da postoje neka dela koja se tretiraju malte ne kao
manifesti novog oblika kulture.
Može li mi neko navesti te naslove, autore i mesta gde se
mogu nabaviti.
cyber.culture.7ndragan,
/ Može li mi neko navesti te naslove, autore i mesta gde se
/ mogu nabaviti.
Pregledaj sadržaj ove teme u prethodnom izdanju civilizacije, ima tamo
svašta.
cyber.culture.8aleksandra.m,
FRANCIA-INTERNET
PRVI "CIBERCAFE" U PARIZU OTVARA SE POVEZIVANJEM SA MADRIDSKIM
Pariz, 5 maj.- Prvi "cibercafé" u Parizu otvoriće svoja vrata
sutra na Trgu Berze, uspostavljanjem veze sa madridskim, jer će
gosti moći da se povežu sa svetom preko glavnog komunikacijskog
autoputa, Interneta. Za vreme otvaranja, u subotu, počev od četiri
popodne, "Cafe Orbital" je predvideo razgovor sa "Cibertecom" u
Madridu, drugim sličnim lokalom koji je izabrao isti dan za
otvaranje.
Za 60 franaka (12 dolara), malo više nego što košta ulaznica za
bioskop u Francuskoj (40 franaka, 8 dolara), Parižani više neće
morati da čekaju, niti da sebi komplikuju život tražeći način da
se "povežu" u mrežu.
To je nešto što, suprotno onome što se dešava u SAD, još uvek nije
baš sasvim jednostavno niti pristupačno francuskom džepu.
Iskustvo je novo u Francuskoj, ali ne i u Evropi, jer London već ima
svoj kiberkafe, a madridski kompjuteri takođe već rade punom parom.
U Parizu, inicijativa je potekla pre četiri meseca od jedne
privatne grupe, i od pre nedelju dana ekspreimentalno se primaju
prvi klijenti.
Café Orbital biće otvoren od deset ujutro do deset uveče, i nudiće
različite vrste pretplate i kurseva za obuku.
Cilj je da se proširri oprema od šest računara, koliko ih sada
ima, na desetak, ali i da se podstiče korišćenje te platforme za
ulazak na Internet, da klijenti ne bi morali da dolaze u kafe,
nego da koriste njegove usluge iz sopstvene kuće.
U baru ili na njihovim personalnim računarima čekaće ih više od 40
miliona ljudi, organizacija i institucija.
Oni koji ne budu želeli da se izgube na nepoznatim "ulicama" i
"sokacima", moći će da pogledaju prvu mapu Interneta objavljenu u
Francuskoj u poslednjem broju specijalizovanog časopisa "PC
DIRECT".
cyber.culture.9maksa,
Danas (neđelja) na B92 (92.5 Mhz FM) čuh emisiju koja je, reklo
bi se po prvoj epizodi, tesno vezana za ovu temu. Viče se 'Rečnik
Moderne Mitologije', vodi je Đura (Vladimir Đurić). Ići će svake
nedelje od 16-17 h.
PS Kad reče da mu je gost Miloš Dragićević, ja rek'o - 'gotovo,
stižu tablature', ali but & međutim, to nije bio naš & vaš
mdaveč, nego neki drugi M.D. ;)
cyber.culture.10novim,
Iz Cyberije:
-----
From: "David Pringle (ENG)"
Subject: RE: Relief
On Mon, 15 May 1995, Pete Ferreira wrote:
> excuse my ignorance, but what's "cyber theory"?
>
> TIA,
> Pete
>
"Cyber theory," IMHO, is the catch-all phrase used to label at least 2
different (though related) areas of theory.
In a narrow sense, it refers to the application of critical theory
(deconstruction, semiotics, feminisms, marxisms, etc.--the usual
suspects) to computers, word processing and hypertext, and especially
the Internet as both discursive field and socio-economic phenomenon. For
example, Arthur Kroker and Michael Weinstein's *Data Trash: The Theory
of the Virtual Class* attempts to theorize the "will to virtuality"--the
ongoing effort to digitize and computerize all human experience
(political, economic, sexual, and so forth) and to describe the
emergence of a new dominant class--the virtual class--in the era of
pancapitalism, relating this to the emergence of retro-fascism
(Gingrich, Perot, et. al.) and the ultimate collapse of what Kroker and
Weinstein call "liberal fascism"--the previously dominant paradigm in
political economy.
In a broader sense, "cyber theory," taking some of its impetus from the
cyberpunk movement in science fiction (*locus classicus* William
Gibson's novel *Neuromancer*), is the area of theory worked by those,
such as Donna Haraway, who wish to explore the interface (an overworked
term, but appropriate here, I think) between human beings and
machines.As one example among many, Haraway uses the metaphor of the
cyborg (cybernetic organism--human/machine mix) to think through a
performative posthumanist feminism that escapes the
organicist-biological limitations of traditional feminist discourse.
I patiently await correction, emendation, and/or censure from those who
can better define cyber theory. In fact, the very functioning of threads
on newsgroups is a fertile ground for just such theoretical activity.
Dave Pringle
University of South Florida
-----
cyber.culture.11dr.grba,
>> On Mon, 15 May 1995, Pete Ferreira wrote:
***********
Ovde se, koliko vidim, ne spava? Novice, nikad mi ne reče kojim kanalima
dolaziš do ovakvih poruka.
cyber.culture.12soul,
>> Danas (neđelja) na B92 (92.5 Mhz FM) čuh emisiju koja je,
A di je report za nas koji ne čujemo B92? Jel' bilo u
virtuelnoj krčmi i ostalo ili je vuklo na obrazovni
program?
Ajde, ajde, po tastaturi! ;)
cyber.culture.13soul,
>> Iz Cyberije:
Ovaj izraz sam pročitao u jednom novinskom članku, i ranije
nisam čuo za njega. Je l' to stvaran žargonski izraz koji
živi na netu, ili je izmišljotina novinara & co.?
cyber.culture.14maksa,
>> A di je report za nas koji ne čujemo B92? Jel' bilo u
>> virtuelnoj krčmi i ostalo ili je vuklo na obrazovni
>> program?
>>
>> Ajde, ajde, po tastaturi! ;)
Joj. ;) Pa, koliko se sećam, prva emisija je bila nešto kao
uvod, tj. dosta nalik na prve poruke iz ove konferencije koje je
Novica dovlačio sa Interneta. Znači, naznake sajberkalčr,
autori, pojmovi ... vrlo nepovezano ali zanimljivo, kako to
već Đura radi.
cyber.culture.15jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Sun May 28, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 43
ISSN 1004-042X
Subject: Prodigy Held Liable
A New York state trial court ruled on May 24 that Prodigy is responsible
for the libelous statements of its users because it exercises editorial
control over their posts. In the case, an anonymous Prodigy user made
Subject: LPTexas Internet Symposium
SYMPOSIUM
VIRTUAL FREEDOM --
Government Regulation of the Internet?
Subject: The Little Deathnet Story that Grew
Why many people now believe that teens can login and learn how to
off themselves
Subject: British man pleads guilty on malicious virus writing
Subject: GovAccess.121: WA favors freedom; low-cost ISDN; Fed Pol-State Act
Ovoga će verovatno biti još. So, gde slati? Ovde ili u novosti/razno?
cud743.zipcyber.culture.16mikis,
+> Computer underground Digest Sun May 28, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 43
+>
+> Ovoga će verovatno biti još. So, gde slati? Ovde ili u novosti/razno?
Ovde. Da tema ne zvrji prazna ;)
cyber.culture.17jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Wed May 31, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 44
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.44 (Wed, May 31, 1995)
File 1--The Trivia Winner----
File 2--ACLU Cyber-Liberties Alert #5
File 3--Sen. Feinstein S.2375 (Wiretap bill)
File 4--Full text of _Stratton Oakmonth v. Prodigy_
File 5--Prodigy decision location and amateur analysis
File 6--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
cud744.zipcyber.culture.18jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Sun Jun 4, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 45
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.45 (Sun, Jun 4, 1995)
File 1--(fwd) Christian American article on Pornography Online
File 2--Ban Nothing, Question Everything (Eye Reprint)(fwd)
File 3--Some Questions for Canter and Siegel in re Their Book
File 4--Student Loses Scholarship. We All Lose A Little Freedom
File 5--Library of Congress Signs Nat'l Dig Library Fed Agreement
File 6--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
cud745.zipcyber.culture.19jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Tue Jun 6, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 46
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.46 (Tue, Jun 6, 1995)
File 1--A Seduction In Cyberspace?
File 2--Re: Protecting kids from porn on Web -- html enhancement
File 3--Illinois Legislater "Discovers" Net Porn (news excerpt)
File 4--Canadian Police Chiefs Ponder Crime on the Infobahn (fwd)
File 5--GovAccess.120: Christian Coalition urges net censorship (fwd)
File 6--Voice System Up-Date
File 7--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
cud746.zipcyber.culture.20sav.gacic,
Da li je neko nešto čuo o Encyclopedia Britannica na CD-Rom(ovima), ima li ih
(i kakvih) ovde? Interesuju me , takođe, informacije o drugim "ozbiljnijim"
diskovima (sa što više korisnih informacija - tj. sada popularne multimedija
zezalice jesu zabavne, ali ih doživljavam kao "zvečku" za popularizaciju te
novotarije, sa malim realnim upotrebnim vrednostima
Pozdrav, Bik koji sedi.
cyber.culture.21balsa,
>Da li je neko nešto čuo o Encyclopedia Britannica na CD-Rom(ovima),
>(i kakvih) ovde?
Ovo i mene VRLO interesuje! Je li uopšte stigla elektronska Britanika u
Beograd?
balša
cyber.culture.22novim,
"> Da li je neko nešto čuo o Encyclopedia Britannica na CD-Rom(ovima),
"> (i kakvih) ovde?
"
" Ovo i mene VRLO interesuje! Je li uopšte stigla elektronska Britanika u
" Beograd?
Da. ima je ovde, u Bgdu, ali je nemoguće izneti sa mesta na kojem se
može konsultovati. Dakle, neka neko od vas dvojice napravi grupu ovde
na Sezamu i u nju uključi sve koje zanima ta stvar (mene, takođe). Da
razmotrimo na miru jednu ideju, ok?
cyber.culture.23dutchman,
> Interesuju me , takođe, informacije o drugim "ozbiljnijim"
> diskovima (sa što više korisnih informacija
Za ljubitelje: italijanski rečnik Devoto-Oli, po mnogima najbolji,
na CD-ROMu. Ne naročito multimedijalan (spiker izgovara po neku
egzotičniju reč), ali svakako koristan.
cyber.culture.24dr.grba,
>> na Sezamu i u nju uključi sve koje zanima ta stvar (mene, takođe). Da
>> razmotrimo na miru jednu ideju, ok?
Ovaj... ke-hm... (:
cyber.culture.25scekick,
> Da. ima je ovde, u Bgdu, ali je nemoguce izneti sa mesta na kojem se
> moze konsultovati. Dakle, neka neko od vas dvojice napravi grupu ovde
> na Sezamu i u nju ukljuci sve koje zanima ta stvar (mene, takode). Da
> razmotrimo na miru jednu ideju, ok?
Vrlo za sve ideje na mail
jaksa
cyber.culture.26bobby.quyne,
> Da. ima je ovde, u Bgdu, ali je nemoguće izneti sa mesta na kojem se
> može konsultovati. Dakle, neka neko od vas dvojice napravi grupu ovde
> na Sezamu i u nju uključi sve koje zanima ta stvar (mene, takođe). Da
Imam nekolika pitanja po ovom pitanju:
1. Gde je to mesto?
2. Može li se na to mesto uneti notebook i cd rom recorder?
3. Koliko CD-ROM ova ima EB?
4. Ako je odgovor na pitanje 2 potvrdan, ima li neko notebook sa scsi
portom, ili PCMCIA SCSI kontroler, pa da krenemo.
cyber.culture.27djcorto,
>> 1. Gde je to mesto?
British Council.
cyber.culture.28jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Tue Jun 8, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 47
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.47 (Thu, Jun 8, 1995)
File 1--Thebes
File 2--A Seduction In Cyberspace (Update from CuD 7.46)
File 3--Letter to AOL in response to "Damien Starr" incident
File 4--adult only
File 5--Can Parents prevent Web page viewing? (Re: CuD 7.46)
File 6--THE COMPUTER LAW REPORT - June '95 (fwd)
File 7--CDT POLICY POST #16 -- SEN. DOLE TO INTRODUCE SWEEPING INTERNET
File 8--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
Computer underground Digest Sun Jun 11, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 48
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.48 (Sun, Jun 11, 1995)
File 1--Triviata: Any assembly-language programmer would know this!
File 2--C&S "Special Issue" Delayed a few days
File 3--(fwd) Directions to F. Am. Teach-In [grab pen] (fwd)
File 4--ALERT: We have 48 hours left in Senate; please act
File 5--Re: Protecting Kids on the Internet (CuD 7.47)
File 6--Can Parents prevent Web page viewing? (Re: CuD 7.46)
File 7--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
Computer underground Digest Wed Jun 14, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 49
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.49 (Wed, Jun 14, 1995)
File 1--INFO: Senate passes Decency Act 84-16; House is the next battle
File 2--Repost: EPIC Files Brief in 2600 Case
File 3--Media Feeding Frenzy on "runaway internet teens"
File 4-- Tutorial: Social Engineering vs Psychological Subversion (fwd)
File 5--Tutorial: Social Engineering vs Psychological Subversion
File 6--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
Computer underground Digest Sun Jun 18, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 50
ISSN 1004-042X
File 1--Review of Canter & Siegel's HOW TO MAKE A FORTUNE
File 2--some info on the health spam
File 3--C&S from a "Client's" Perspective
File 4--"Hacking" a Moderated Newsgroup - Why it's wrong
File 5--Flordia Bar v. Siegel & Canter (511 So.2d 995, 1987)
File 6--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
cud47-50.zipcyber.culture.29jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Tue Jun 20, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 51
ISSN 1004-042X
CONTENTS, #7.51 (Tue, Jun 20, 1995)
File 1--Against Intellectual Property
File 2--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
cud751.zipcyber.culture.30jovca.car,
Computer underground Digest Sun Jul 16, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 60
CONTENTS, #7.60 (Sun, Jul 16, 1995)
File 1--Re CuD #7.55 and Dangers of Computer Intrusions
File 2--Copyrights and Obscenity
File 3--Re: File 6--File 1--Against Intellectual Property
File 4--Senator Grassley's Buthering of "CMU Study" Stats
File 5--NEWS: Hacker Disrupts Internet Link (fwd)
File 6--Voice of America on CDA (fwd)
File 7--'The Hackers Book of Poetry' (fwd)
File 8--AA BBS appeal for help (fwd)
File 9--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
Computer underground Digest Wed Jul 19, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 61
CONTENTS, #7.61 (Wed, Jul 19, 1995)
File 1--Senate Prayer - "Lord, save our kids from porn"
File 2--Beyond the Rimm
File 3--cybercensorship
File 4--(fwd) Hackers busted in Colorado
File 5--A response to a spammer (fwd)
File 6--Exon is unknown to the public
File 7--TIS CFP FYI
File 8--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
Computer underground Digest Sun Jul 23, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 62
CONTENTS, #7.62 (Sun, Jul 23, 1995)
File 1--Cincinnati BBS Raids Indictment
File 2--Kyl and Leahy to Introduce Anti-Hacker Bill
File 3--Computer Porn Conviction: New Thought Control (fwd)
File 4--"Computer Privacy Handbook" by Bacard
File 5--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
Computer underground Digest Wed Jul 26, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 63
CONTENTS, #7.63 (Wed, Jul 26, 1995)
File 1--Correction to Cincinnati BBS Document (CuD 7.62)
File 2--The Case of the Two Cybersex Studies
File 3--"Imprisonment wihouth Guilt" for "Hacking"
File 4--[to GovAccess] sample of VTW's *stellar* tech-civlib alerts!
File 5--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 19 Apr, 1995)
cud60-63.zipcyber.culture.31dusko,
Prvo sve pohvale .car-u za ove CuD-ve. :)
Drugo, ima li neko ili bar jel' zna gde kod nas mogu da se nadju
Phrack, 2600 i Wired? Ja sam probao da sa EFF-a ftp-by-mailom skinem par
Phrackova, al' to nikada nije stiglo :(
Pozdrav,
Dusko
cyber.culture.32rampa.g,
=->> Drugo, ima li neko ili bar jel' zna gde kod nas mogu da se nadju
=->> Phrack, 2600 i Wired? Ja sam probao da sa EFF-a ftp-by-mailom
=->> skinem par Phrackova, al' to nikada nije stiglo :(
Sve te casopise (a i vise) neces lako naci ON-Line kod nas... Ima ljudi koji
to imaju kod sebe ali ne sire okolo...
slanje sa EFF-a ftp-by-mailom vise nije dobra ideja zato sto je ftpmail kod
nas zabranjen, a i nije EFF jedino mesto na Internetu gde se ovi casopisi
mogu naci ...
MilosV
cyber.culture.33dusko,
> Sve te casopise (a i vise) neces lako naci ON-Line kod nas...
> Ima ljudi koji to imaju kod sebe ali ne sire okolo...
Jel' to znas a neces da mi kazes ili neznas?
> slanje sa EFF-a ftp-by-mailom vise nije dobra ideja zato sto je
> ftpmail kod nas zabranjen, a i nije EFF jedino mesto na
> Internetu gde se ovi casopisi mogu naci ...
Ceo poduhvat je radjen pre zabrane f.b.m. i uz koncultacije stanovitog
archie-a koji zna 'de se nalazi _svaki_ fajl na anonymous ftp site-ovima.
:))))
Pozdrav,
Dusko
cyber.culture.34novim,
The Hitch Hiker's Gudie to the Galaxy
(1)
Douglas Adams: The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
hitchh1.zipcyber.culture.35novim,
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
(2)
Douglas Adams: The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
hitchh2.zipcyber.culture.36novim,
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
(3)
Douglas Adams: Life, the Universe, and Everything
hitchh3.zipcyber.culture.37novim,
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
(4)
Douglas Adams: So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish
hitchh4.zipcyber.culture.38novim,
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
(5)
Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless
hitchh5.zipcyber.culture.39novim,
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
(*)
***: The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Net
hitchnet.zipcyber.culture.40novim,
A sve to (Hitch Hiker's Guides...) nalazi se i na brzom Sezamu:
co TEST.1 fi 13.132 (HITCH1-3.ZIP, 634.499b).
Uz ovu poruku, pak, ide:
"
What is Cyberspace?
David G.W. Birch & S. Peter Buck
"
whatscp.zipcyber.culture.41iznogud,
Embrouz Birs, 'Đavolji rečnik'.
Engleski, Win HLP format ;)
devil.zipcyber.culture.42novim,
Subject: Šta sve comp. uradi od čoveka iliti SKPJota Software Inc. :)))
"
Former communist insurgent chief swaps gun for mouse
MANILA, Nov 6 (AFP) - The former head of the Philippines'
communist insurgent movement has put aside his gun for a mouse, and
is offering his computer software services to the United States,
once the main target of his group's ire.
The Manila Times, on Monday quoted Rodolfo Salas, alias
Commander Bilog, as saying that he hopes to develop his company,
Creative Transcribing Technology Inc. (CTTI) into a world-class
software firm, adding that there is no chance of him turning back
to his old ways.
Salas, a former computer programmer, became chairman of the
insurgent Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) in 1976,
presiding over the group during one of its fastest-growing periods
when it spread to almost every Philippine province.
Under Salas's leadership, the CPP became the strongest opponent
to then-president Ferdinand Marcos' martial rule. The CPP was also
a staunch enemy of US influence in the Philippines.
But after a popular, largely-bloodless revolt toppled Marcos in
1986, the CPP found itself sidelined by political developments.
Salas was captured in 1988.
He was released in 1992 as part of a government peace
initiative with insurgent groups but returned to a party split by
internal conflicts and falling membership.
The newspaper said he was frustrated by these wranglings and
decided to set up CTTI in 1993. Ironically, after years of
denouncing US influence in the Philippines, his firm relies mainly
on encoding medical records for US-based hospitals and clinics.
A further irony is that CTTI is based in Clark, a former US air
base that the CPP frequently cited as proof of US dominance in the
Philippines.
Since 1992, when the base's leases ran out and troops went
home, the Philippines government has been trying to put them to
commercial use.
"
(Iz fajla s vestima koje je drugde poslao Vlad.)
cyber.culture.43bajind,
> The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Sa velikim zadovoljstvom citam tekstove pod ovim naslovom.
Hvala useru novim :)
D. Adams je ocito citao Kliforda Simaka, Stanislava Lema, Asimova,
Lukasa, Klarka, sve koji su pisali o putovanju kroz vreme ... itd.
Ipak, sve je originalno i fascinantno. Voleo bih da saznam kad je
delo napisano, postoji li papirna verzija, kako se stvar nasla na
Sezamu ... i sve o tome :)
cyber.culture.44darone,
>> ... i sve o tome :)
žetrdeset dva.
cyber.culture.45teorist,
=> Embrouz Birs, 'Đavolji rečnik'.
=> Engleski, Win HLP format ;)
Uh, izvini, ali da li to može da se čita kao ASCII ????
Ili ima gomilu kontrolnih karaktera i drugih s..... :((( ?
ozdrav
>>> TeoFiL <<<
cyber.culture.46velicko,
>+ žetrdeset dva.
6*9 (13)
cyber.culture.47iznogud,
:: Uh, izvini, ali da li to može da se čita kao ASCII ????
Ne.
cyber.culture.48armitage,
> Embrouz Birs, 'Đavolji rečnik'.
> Engleski, Win HLP format ;)
Bi li ovo moglo da se baci i na Sez144?
Armitage
cyber.culture.49vitez.koja,
#=> Uh, izvini, ali da li to može da se čita kao ASCII ????
#=> Ili ima gomilu kontrolnih karaktera i drugih s..... :((( ?
Imaš Đavolov rečnik u ASCII formatu u nekoj od prethodnih
konferencija (davno). Fajl se zove AB1.ZIP, a kačio je spantic ili
.bale. pa potraži...
sk
cyber.culture.50bajind,
> Embrouz Birs, 'Davolji recnik'.
> Engleski, Win HLP format ;)
^^^^^^^
A kako se to cita ?
cyber.culture.51teorist,
#=> Uh, izvini, ali da li to može da se čita kao ASCII ????
#=> Ili ima gomilu kontrolnih karaktera i drugih s..... :((( ?
=>
=> Imaš Đavolov rečnik u ASCII formatu u nekoj od prethodnih
=> konferencija (davno). Fajl se zove AB1.ZIP, a kačio je spantic ili
=> .bale. pa potraži...
10x, ali možeš li mi dati neki bliži orijentir da ne bi izgubio
pola sata tražeći, pošto mi je sezam prijavio da nema u CIV.5-9 :(
Pozdrav :)
>>> TeoFiL <<<
cyber.culture.52saxon,
>> Embrouz Birs, 'Davolji recnik'.
>> Engleski, Win HLP format ;)
> ^^^^^^^
> A kako se to cita ?
Udješ u Windows, startuješ c:\windows\winhelp.exe, izabereš iz menija
file/open i klikneš na fajl koji si dowload-ovao sa Sezama.
cyber.culture.53calex,
<!> => konferencija (davno). Fajl se zove AB1.ZIP, a kačio je spantic ili
<!> pola sata tražeći, pošto mi je sezam prijavio da nema u CIV.5-9 :(
Za malo si promašio. :)
CIVILIZACIJA.4:
6.1098 knjizevnost .bale. 04.12.93. 22:19 ab1.zip
cyber.culture.54iznogud,
:: A kako se to cita ?
Iz Win-a ;)
Klikni dvaput na fajl iz File Manager-a / Explorer-a, zavisi koju verziju
Win-a preferiraš ;)
cyber.culture.55iznogud,
:: Bi li ovo moglo da se baci i na Sez144?
===============================
13.142 TEST.1:civilizacija
maksa, 10.11.95. 19:20, 54 chr
---------------------------------------------------------
Devil's Computer Dictionary u Win HLP formatu.
-----------------------------------------------13.142 ---
** Uz poruku 'devilscd.zip' (384921 bytes)
cyber.culture.56teorist,
SUB: Djavolji Rečnik
=> CIVILIZACIJA.4:
=>
=> 6.1098 knjizevnost .bale. 04.12.93. 22:19 ab1.zip
10x :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
BTW, taj fajl je 161190, a ovaj novi 384921 bytes ??????????????????
cyber.culture.57iznogud,
:: BTW, taj fajl je 161190, a ovaj novi 384921 bytes ??????????????????
Naravno, ovaj drugi je u .HLP formatu, tako da su unutra i svi mogući
linkovi etc...
cyber.culture.58darone,
>> >> Engleski, Win HLP format ;)
>> > A kako se to cita ?
>> Udješ u Windows, startuješ c:\windows\winhelp.exe, izabereš iz menija
>> file/open i klikneš na fajl koji si dowload-ovao sa Sezama.
Jednostavnije: File -> New -> Program Icon -> Browse -> *.* -> izabere
se dati hlp -> OK, i pojavi se ikonica koja automatski startuje
WinHelp.
cyber.culture.59steva,
> Jednostavnije: File -> New -> Program Icon -> Browse -> *.* -> izabere
Ma klikni bre iz File Managera na fajl :)
cyber.culture.60saxon,
>> Jednostavnije: File -> New -> Program Icon -> Browse -> *.* ->
> izabere
>
> Ma klikni bre iz File Managera na fajl :)
Može i bez File i Program Managera: otkucaj iz DOS-a, na primer,
win c:\telix\dow\devils.hlp B)
cyber.culture.61novim,
Khm, khm. Stiže i ovo u mail, pa da se zabavimo zajedno:
"
SUBJECT: CFP: Mad Science
NEWSGROUPS: alt.horror
FROM: schleip@vax.sbu.ac.uk
DATE: 16 Aug 95 17:51:06 GMT
ORGANIZATION: South Bank University
CALL FOR PAPERS
First International Virtual Conference on Mad Science (IVCMS'96)
London, England
29 March 1996
Theme
Mad science is a much maligned domain of human knowledge and its
practitioners have for too long been relegated to B-movies and remote
ancestral estates. IVCMS provides an international forum for the
presentation, discussion and extension of research into these darkly
powerful pseudosciences and dangerous technologies which fall beyond the
scope of conventional science and good taste. The purpose of the conference
is to promote a general understanding of mad topics within the broader
scientific community, to encourage new researchers to dabble with things
best left alone, to attract commercial sponsors to the potential benefits
of mad science in the business world, and to replace the old drooling
maniac stereotype of the mad scientist with a new drooling maniac image
which is more appropriate to the modern era. The conference will be hosted
in a suitably baroque homepage to avoid the overheads of unpredictable
atmospheric conditions and revolting peasants.
Focus
Topics of interest include, but are not limited to:
Creating life to satisfy egocentric motives.
Unleashing entities beyond human control and comprehension.
Tampering with the life-sustaining forces of the Universe.
Exceeding the limitations of the human body via grotesque metamorphoses.
New applications for old technologies (alchemy, necromancy, etc.).
Ill-advised collaboration with alien and/or supernatural intelligences.
Life-long devotion to researching the pointless and inane.
Callous disregard for human experimental subjects.
Exacting bizarre revenge on contemptuous and derisive peers.
Submission Details
Authors are invited to submit papers to the Programme Chair at the
following address:
Paul Schleifer, IVCMS Programme Chair
School of Computing, Information Systems and Mathematics
South Bank University
103 Borough Road
London SE1 0AA, England
Email: schleip@sbu.ac.uk
All submissions should reach the Programme Chair by 29 December 1995.
Papers should not exceed 5000 words and should be submitted in electronic
formats. HTML or ASCII are preferred, but PostScript and word-processor
formats are also acceptable. Figures may be sent as URLs or in standard
image file formats, such as GIF and JPEG. Submission by email is strongly
encouraged. Papers will be refereed by a panel of at least three deranged
experts. Posthumous papers will be welcomed.
Important Dates
Paper submission: 29 December 1995
Notification of acceptance: 26 February 1996
Conference: 29 March 1996
Programme Committee
Postmortal General Chair
Howard P. Lovecraft, From Beyond
Programme Co-Chairs
Victor Frankenstein, Modern Prometheus Ltd
Paul Schleifer, South Bank University
Programme Committee
Marc C. Allain, First Church of Mad Scientist
Peter Armstrong, Swiss Bank Corporation
Pope Max Flax Beeblewax, 5-College Discordian Society of Saint Rufus
Sue Black, South Bank University
Cosmic Cat, CCHQ
Dr. Ahmed Fishmonger, Institute for Parallel Studies
Dr. Henry Gee, Nature
Dan Hanley, South Bank University
Donna Kossy, Kooks Museum
Ross McNaughton, South Bank University
Burti Montague-Leon, BP Sema
Dr. Omega, Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow International
Dr. Judith Ramsay, South Bank University
Dave Scott, (unaffiliated freelance mad scientist)
Dr. Scratching, Human Secretions Institute
Allan Songhurst, Bavarian Illuminati Inc
Neil Walton, Dastardly Machinations
Xero, Planet X
Local Arrangements and Reception Chair
Igor, The Cellar
Home Page URL
http://www.scism.sbu.ac.uk/cios/paul/MadScience/
"
cyber.culture.62novim,
"
Subj: Leibniz in WWW critical edition
First-ever critical edition made expressly for the Net. It's Leibniz.
URL: http://www.znort.it/suiseth/drole/drole.html
============================================================
It is available on the World-Wide Web a new critical edition of a
short writing concerning the diffusion and popularization of the
scientific culture, composed in 1675 by Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz.
The edition didn't appear in print before, and it should be the first
critical edition expressly made for the Web (perhaps the first made for
the Net in general).
It was produced independently from the preceding editions (one, quite
defective, by Gerland, and another in the so called Akademie Ausgabe of
Leibniz's writings), working directly on the manuscript, and the
critical apparatus is original.
The text was written in French and its title is: "Drole de Pensee,
touchant une nouvelle sorte de representations" (Funny idea of a new
kind of public spectacles). In this quite striking essay, Leibniz
exposes the idea to organize in 17th century Paris a sort of permanent
scientific exhibition and technological park, to bring to a wide public
the most interesting and curious results of the technical and
scientifical work at his time.
It is presented in a hypertextual edition, with text variants and
"notes", together with various material on Leibniz, an Italian
translation and (in the future) an English one.
The edition resides on the WWW site of Znort! srl, in a branch devoted
to the Suiseth Research Project on Web publishing. It is dedicated to
the Laboratorio dell'Immaginario Scientifico (LIS), a permanent
institution for the diffusion of the scientific culture based in
Trieste, Italy.
It's offered freely to the users on the Net. The content of the edition is
shareright: anyone may reproduce this material - mentioning the source -
if her recipients may also reproduce it.
------------------------------------------------------------
Considered by Norbert Wiener a "patron saint of cybernetics",
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz was born in Leipzig in 1646. He was an
esteemed diplomat and jurist, but at the same time an outstanding
mathematician, philosopher, and historian, contributing also to physics,
theology, and the theory of language. He devised calculating machines
and developed formal logic, founded scientific academies, invented
binary arithmetic and the infinitesimal calculus. He lived in unceasing
intellectual activity till he died in Hanover in 1716.
"
'Oće l' neko ovde da sličnu čast učini Tesli, recimo?
cyber.culture.63spantic,
> 'Oće l' neko ovde da sličnu čast učini Tesli, recimo?
Mi zapravo imamo dobru prezentaciju posvećenu Tesli koju
je uradio Bogdan. U originalu je prezentacija na WWW u
SAD. Ali ako imaš ideje kako da je učinimo efektivnijom,
obuhvatnijom i boljom (a možemo i da je pišemo od početka)
samo reci. Rado ćemo se potruditi, barem ja :)
cyber.culture.64iobr,
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cyber.culture.65dr.grba,
>> ZAUZMITE PARČE EMISIJE!
A ti zauzeo ceo Sezam ovim porukama. Gde će ti duša, bre? ):<
cyber.culture.66iobr,
Kah, sorry! :) Doslo je do omaske, kako sam objasnio u
jednoj od konferencija. Kolega je trebalo da posalje u dve, ali
nije znao u koje i... jos jednom -- sorry!
S postovanjem,
Ivan
cyber.culture.67slick,
Al' je nesto zamrla ova tema.
(mozda ovo ne treba u ovaj conf, ali...)
Dakle, zeleo bih da skrenem paznju svim ljubiteljima igara,
cyberpunkovskih romana i sl. da postoji jedna izvrsna avantura u
izdanju "Microprose"-a koja je u katalogu kod vaseg lokalnog
"preprodavca" softvera oznacena kao BloodNet. Igra je "na foru"
Neuromancera (Cyberspace i tako to) i ima i neki karakter FRP-a
(character generation, hit pointsovi i sl.), a krasi je 256 col
grafika i fino "izrendane" pozadine.
Fabula u kratkim crtama : Ransom Stark (koje ime?!?) iz Njujorka 2xxx
godine postaje vampir, i jedina nada mu je da nadje saradnicu Deidre
Tackett, koju medjutim juri velika korporacija "TransTech"etcetc.
Tu je naravno i VR Cyberspace, zajedno sa svim ostalim
"cyberpunkovskim" inventarom.
Pa...ko voli nek spremi 5HD i nek izvoli ;)
Pozdrav, MK82