cyber.culture.1balinda,
[reply na 15.85 vcalic]
>> Jel' ovo spektakularno Novimovo hvatanje za lenjir
>> znači da cyber ipak kreće? ;>
Eppur si muove. ;)
cyber.culture.2pyc.guy,
Yes! Prava tema...
Ovde bi mogli da se salju moduli u cyber fazonu! :)
Pyc
cyber.culture.3princess,
?! sta je ovo
cyber.culture.4balinda,
-> #3, princess>> ?! sta je ovo
Teško je reći. ;) Za početak, slutim da je 'set code=none'. :)
cyber.culture.5omega,
-> #2, pyc.guyŢ Yes! Prava tema...
Je li, odakle ova tema? Nesto nisam u toku. :)) Ali u svakom slucaju
mi je drago :)
cyber.culture.6novim,
Archive-name: cyberpunk-faq
Last-modified: 8/19/1994
<...>
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1. What is cyberpunk, the literary movement?
2. What is cyberpunk, the subculture?
3. What is cyberspace?
How does it relate to today's "net" and "virtual reality"?
4. Cyberpunk books
<...>
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1. What is cyberpunk, the literary movement?
The first use of "cyberpunk" to designate a body of literature is
generally credited to Gardner Dozois, who, at the time (the early
'80s), was editor of _Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine_. He is
thought to have cribbed it from the title of a short story by Bruce
Bethke, "Cyberpunk". (Bethke has since proclaimed himself to be an
"anti-cyberpunk".)
Before its christening, the "cyberpunk movement", known to its members
as "The Movement", had existed for quite some time, centered around
Bruce Sterling's samizdat, _Cheap Truth_. Authors like Sterling,
Rucker, and Shirley submitted articles pseudonymously to this
newsletter, hyping the works of people in the group and vigorously
attacking the "SF mainstream". This helped form the core "movement
consciousness". (The run of _Cheap Truth_ is available by anonymous
FTP in the directory "etext.archive.umich.edu:/pub/Zines/CheapTruth".)
Cyberpunk literature, in general, deals with marginalized people in
technologically-enhanced cultural "systems". In cyberpunk stories'
settings, there is usually a "system" which dominates the lives of
most "ordinary" people, be it an oppresive government, a group of
large, paternalistic corporations, or a fundamentalist religion. These
systems are enhanced by certain technologies (today advancing at a
rate that is bewildering to most people), particularly "information
technology" (computers, the mass media), making the system better at
keeping those within it inside it. Often this technological system
extends into its human "components" as well, via brain implants,
prosthetic limbs, cloned or genetically engineered organs, etc. Humans
themselves become part of "the Machine". This is the "cyber" aspect of
cyberpunk.
However, in any cultural system, there are always those who live on
its margins, on "the Edge": criminals, outcasts, visionaries, or those
who simply want freedom for its own sake. Cyberpunk literature focuses
on these people, and often on how they turn the system's technological
tools to their own ends. This is the "punk" aspect of cyberpunk.
The best cyberpunk works are distinguished from previous work with
similar themes by a certain style. The setting is urban, the mood is
dark and pessimistic. Concepts are thrown at the reader without
explanation, much like new developments are thrown at us in our
everyday lives. There is often a sense of moral ambiguity; simply
fighting "the system" (to topple it, or just to stay alive) does not
make the main characters "heroes" or "good" in the traditional sense.
---
2. What is cyberpunk, the subculture?
Spurred on by cyberpunk literature, in the mid-1980's certain groups
of people started referring to themselves as cyberpunk, because they
correctly noticed the seeds of the fictional "techno-system" in
Western society today, and because they identified with the
marginalized characters in cyberpunk stories. Within the last few
years, the mass media has caught on to this, spontaneously dubbing
certain people and groups "cyberpunk". Specific subgroups which are
identified with cyberpunk are:
Hackers, Crackers, and Phreaks: "Hackers" are the "wizards" of the
computer community; people with a deep understanding of how their
computers work, and can do things with them that seem
"magical". "Crackers" are the real-world analogues of the "console
cowboys" of cyberpunk fiction; they break in to other people's
computer systems, without their permission, for illicit gain or simply
for the pleasure of exercising their skill. "Phreaks" are those who do
a similar thing with the telephone system, coming up with ways to
circumvent phone companies' calling charges and doing clever things
with the phone network. All three groups are using emerging computer
and telecommunications technology to satisfy their individualist
goals.
Cypherpunks: These people think a good way to bollix "The System" is
through cryptography and cryptosystems. They believe widespread use of
extremely hard-to-break coding schemes will create "regions of privacy"
that "The System" cannot invade.
Ravers: These are the folks who use synthesized and sampled music,
computer-generated psychedelic ("cyberdelic") art, and designer drugs
to create massive all-night dance parties and love-fests in empty
warehouses.
However, one person's "cyberpunk" is another's everyday obnoxious
teenager with some technical skill thrown in, or just someone looking
for the latest trend to identify with. This has led many people
to look at self-designated "cyberpunks" in a negative light. Also,
there are those who claim that "cyberpunk" is undefinable (which
in some sense it is, being concerned with outsiders and rebels), and
resent the mass media's use of the label, seeing it as a cynical
marketing ploy.
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3. What is cyberspace?
How does it relate to today's "net" and "virtual reality"?
To my knowledge, the term "cyberspace" was first used by William
Gibson in his story "Burning Chrome". That work first describes users
using devices called "cyberdecks" to override their normal sensory
organs, presenting them with a full-sensory interface to the world
computer network; when doing so, said users are "in cyberspace". (The
concept had appeared prior to Gibson, most notably in Vernor Vinge's
story "True Names".) "Cyberspace" is thus the metaphorical "place"
where one "is" when accessing the world computer net.
Even though Gibson's vision of how cyberspace operates is in some
senses absurd, it has stimulated many in the computing community. The
word "cyberspace" is beginning to filter into common use, referring to
the emergent world-wide computer network (especially the
Internet). Also, some researchers in the "virtual reality" area of
computer science are trying to implement something like Gibson's
information space. However, "cyberspace" is also used to refer to any
computer-generated VR environment, even if its purpose is not
"accessing the net".
---
4. Cyberpunk books
The following is intended to be a short list of the best in-print
cyberpunk works. Note that quite a few works written before 1980 have
been retroactively labelled "cyberpunk", because of stylistic
similarities (like Pynchon's _Gravity's Rainbow_), or similar themes
(Brunner's _The Shockwave Rider_, Delany's _Nova_).
William Gibson's _Neuromancer_, about a cracker operating in
cyberspace, a cybernetically-enhanced bodyguard/mercenary, and a pair
of mysterious AIs, got the ball rolling as far as cyberpunk is
concerned. It won the Hugo, Nebula, P. K. Dick, and Ditmar awards,
something no other SF work has done. Gibson wrote two sequels in the
same setting, _Count Zero_ and _Mona Lisa Overdrive_.
Gibson also has a collection of short stories, _Burning Chrome_, which
contains three stories in _Neuromancer_'s setting, as well as several
others, such as the excellent "The Winter Market" and "Dogfight".
Gibson recently published _Virtual Light_, set nearer in the future
and with somewhat more toned-down technology, but dealing with the
same thematic concerns as other cyberpunk works.
Bruce Sterling's _Crystal Express_ contains his "Shaper/Mechanist"
short stories about the future of humanity and "post-humanity", as
well as "Green Days in Brunei", a story sharing the global setting of
his _Islands in the Net_. Both are near-future extrapolations in
worlds very similar to our own. (_Schismatrix_, a novel-length story
in the "Shaper/Mechanist" future, is out of print.)
Sterling edited _Mirrorshades: A Cyberpunk Anthology_, which contains
stories by many authors; some are questionably cyberpunk, but it has
some real gems ("Mozart in Mirrorshades" being one).
Gibson and Sterling collaboratively wrote _The Difference Engine_, a
novel called "steampunk" by some; it deals with many cyberpunk themes
by using an alternate 19th-century Britain where Babbage's mechanical
computer technology has been fully developed.
_Snow Crash_, by Neal Stephenson, carries cyberpunk to a humorous
extreme; what else can one say about a work where the Mafia delivers
pizza and the main character's name is "Hiro Protagonist"?
Larry McCaffrey editied an anthology, _Storming the Reality Studio_,
which has snippets of many cyberpunk works, as well as critical
articles about cyberpunk, and a fairly good bibliography.
Some other good cyberpunk works include:
Walter Jon Williams, _Hardwired_: a smuggler who pilots a hovertank
decides to take on the Orbital Corporations that control his world.
Walter Jon Williams, _Voice of the Whirlwind_: a corporate soldier's
clone tries to discover what happened to his "original copy".
Greg Bear, _Blood Music_: a genetic engineer "uplifts" some of his own
blood cells to human-level intelligence, with radical consequences.
Pat Cadigan, _Synners_: hackers and other misfits pursue a deadly new
"virus" when direct brain interfaces first appear in near-future LA.
(Some good out-of-print works to look for are Sterling's _Schismatrix_,
Pat Cadigan's _Mindplayers, and Michael Swanwick's _Vacuum Flowers_.)
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cyber.culture.7supers,
Grrrrrrr!
Govori vam lenjiras!
Lenjirasi su opake zveri koje se bave prozdiranjem svega sto ima i tracak
humanizma u sebi.
Za dorucak smazu nekog vernika.
Za rucak sliste etnologa.
Za veceru najvise vole da do kostiju izgrickaju filologa ili filozofa.
Lenjirasi su u osnovnoj skoli imali 5 iz pravopisa, a 1 iz slobodnih
sastava.
Lenjirasi ne mogu da podnesu otvaranje teme koja predstavlja sintezu
svete reci "kibernetika" i jereticke reci "kultura".
Lenjirasi, uopste, ne znaju za kulturu. Podsticu razvoj folklora, jer
je najjestiviji.
Njima je cilj da sve sto podseca na kulturu prozderu.
Jedino ne jedu lenjire, trouglove i sestare, jer bi ostali bez sredstava
za rad.
Ukratko, cilj im je da prozderu ovu novootvorenu temu, a sto ne mogu da
svare - to ce izbockati sestarima i vrhovima lenjira.
Humanisti ovo moraju spreciti!
Kako se odbraniti od lenjirasa?
1) Objasniti im da nista ne znaju.
2) Objasniti im da su sovinisti.
3) Objasniti im da su zadojeni komunistickom ideologijom.
4) Objasniti im da vode izopacen seksualni zivot.
Pod dejstvom ovih magijski sugestivnih kletvi, lenjirasi ce se na mestu
paralizovati. Kad se povrate, pobeci ce glavom bez obzira kao da ih nikada
nije ni bilo i vise nikada se nece usuditi da diraju u svete teme
konferencije civilizacija.7 nebeskog sistema Sezama-80-Din-Godisnje.
Iz mojih usta u bozije usi.
Amen!
cyber.culture.8balinda,
-> #5, omega>> Je li, odakle ova tema? Nesto nisam u toku. :))
>> Ali u svakom slucaju mi je drago :)
Svu pohvalu zaslužuje novim a time je, bez da je to hteo, ;)
objektivno postao moderator teme. :>
cyber.culture.9novim,
-> #7, supers" Iz mojih usta u bozije usi.
" Amen!
Ej-men, vaistinu. :)))
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Archive-name: cyberpunk-faq
Last-modified: 8/19/1994
<...>
6. Cyberpunk in visual media (movies and TV)
What about movies based on Gibson's stories?
Gibson's _Alien 3_ script?
7. _Blade Runner_
8. Cyberpunk music. What about Billy Idol's album?
<...>
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6. Cyberpunk in visual media (movies and TV)
What about movies based on Gibson's stories?
Gibson's _Alien 3_ script?
TV gave us the late, lamented _Max Headroom_, which featured oodles of
cyberpunk concepts. The Bravo cable network is rerunning the
few episodes that were made. TV also gave us the somewhat bloated
_Wild Palms_, with a "cyberspace", evil corporations, and a cameo by
William Gibson.
Recently, TV-movies based on William Shatner's "Tek" novels have been
released. While possessing some tranditionally cyberpunk elements and
extended "cyberspace runs", they tend to boil down to good guys
vs. bad guys cop stories. So far, _TekWar_, _TekLords_, and _TekLab_
have been made. (_TekLords_ features a central plot element that those
who have read _Snow Crash_ will recognize.)
_Blade Runner_ is considered the archetypical cyberpunk movie. (Gibson
has said that the visuals in _Blade Runner_ match his vision of the
urban future in _Neuromancer_.) Few other movies have matched it; some
that are considered cyberpunk or marginally so are _Alien_ and its
sequels, _Freejack_, _The Lawnmower Man_, _Until the End of the
World_, the "Terminator" movies, _Total Recall_, the somewhat goofy
_Circuitry Man_, and _Brainstorm_.
There is an hourlong documentary called "Cyberpunk" available on video
from Mystic Fire Video. It features some interview-style conversation
with Gibson, is generally low-budget, and the consensus opinion on the
net is that it isn't really worth anyone's time. Gibson is apparently
embarrassed by it.
Regarding films based on Gibson stories: At one point a fly-by-night
operation called "Cabana Boys Productions" had the rights to
_Neuromancer_; this is why the front of the _Neuromancer_ computer
game's box claims it is "soon to be a motion picture from Cabana
Boys". The rights have since reverted to Gibson, who is sitting on
them at the moment.
A film version of Gibson's short story "Johnny Mnemonic" is being
produced at this time, scheduled for release in early 1995; Gibson
wrote the screenplay, and is a close consultant to the director,
Robert Longo. Keanu Reeves has the title role, Dolph Lundgren and
Takeshi Kitano are his enemies, and Dina Meyer is playing the
"Molly-equivalent" character (since the character of Molly cannot
appear due to her possible use in a _Neuromancer_ production). Ice-T
and Henry Rollins also have roles. There are rumors that "New Rose
Hotel" will soon be made into a film, and Gibson recently claimed that
a short (15 minute) film was made in Britain based on his short story
"The Gernsback Continuum".
William Gibson wrote one of the many scripts for _Alien 3_. According
to him, only one detail from his script made its way to the actual
film: the bar codes visible on the backs of the prisoners' shaved
heads. A synopsis of Gibson's script, including instructions on how
to get the whole thing, can be found in part 3 of the _Alien_ Movies
FAQ list, available as "rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/movies/
alien-faq/part3".
---
7. _Blade Runner_
There is a _Blade Runner_ FAQ which is available via anonymous FTP as
"rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/movies/bladerunner-faq". It
answers many of the more common questions. Here are short answers to
the most common.
a. There are several alternate versions. The original theatrical
release in the US omitted the Batty-Tyrell eye-gouging sequence and a
few other bits; these were added back in Europe and the video
release. In 1992, a "director's cut" was released, now available on
video, which omits the Deckard voiceover and the "happy" ending, and
reinserts the "unicorn scene". Before that, however, a different
cut was shown at two theaters, one in LA, the other in San Francisco,
for a brief period; this has a different title sequence and
soundtrack, some different dialogue, no voiceover and no happy ending,
but no unicorn sequence. (In my opinion, it was the best version.)
b. The 5/6 replicants problem: This is widely accepted as an editing
glitch which slipped through to the release. The film originally
featured a fifth "live" replicant, "Mary", who was later deleted. In
the limited-release cut, the line "one got fried ..." is changed to
"two got fried ...". Bryant does not include Rachel in the original
six escaped replicants. However ...
c. Internal clues, such as lack of emotion, the photographs, and the
reflective eyes, do suggest that Deckard is a replicant. However, this
is not _explicitly_ stated in any cut. The "unicorn scene" gives this
theory more weight.
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8. Cyberpunk music. What about Billy Idol's album?
There is a bit of confusion as to what "cyberpunk music" really is. Is
it "music that deals with cyberpunk themes", or "music that people in
a cyberpunk future would listen to"?
Those who claim there _is_ cyberpunk music usually say the fast,
synthesized, and sample-oriented forms such as techno, rave, and
industrial music are "cyberpunk".
In late 1993 Billy Idol released an album called "Cyberpunk", which
garnered some media attention. The album seems to have been a
commercial and critical flop, but based on his statements (two of
them) on the net, Billy seems sincere about learning about the
"cyberpunk scene". However, scorn and charges of commercialization
have been heaped upon him in this and other forums.
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cyber.culture.10dcolak,
-> #2, pyc.guy│ Yes! Prava tema...
│ Ovde bi mogli da se salju moduli u cyber fazonu! :)
Meni uopšte nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da
pročitam... U čemu je štos? :))
Sledge DAMMIR!
cyber.culture.11fancy,
-> #3, princessŮŢ> ?! sta je ovo
znak pitanja i uskličnik.
cyber.culture.12drndi,
-> #10, dcolak>> Meni uopste nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da
>> procitam... U cemu je stos? :))
Nemoj da mislis da si jedini. ;)
cyber.culture.13jovca.car,
-> #6, novim/* consciousness". (The run of _Cheap Truth_ is available by anonymous
/* FTP in the directory "etext.archive.umich.edu:/pub/Zines/CheapTruth".)
Jel bi mogao neko da skine ovo?
cyber.culture.14novim,
-> #13, jovca.car" "etext.archive.umich.edu:/pub/Zines/CheapTruth".)
"
" Jel bi mogao neko da skine ovo?
Za nestrpljive (biće još kasnije):
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EDITORIAL: Hi. You want to know the truth. We want to tell it to you.
Let's try to keep the ECONOMICS between us to a minimum, okay? Right, let's
do it.
** QUEST FOR DECAY **
As American SF lies in a reptilian torpor, its small, squishy cousin,
Fantasy, creeps gecko-like across the bookstands. Dreaming of dragon-hood,
Fantasy has puffed itself up with air like a Mojave chuckwalla. SF's
collapse had formed a vacuum that forces Fantasy into a painful and explosive
bloat.
Short stories, crippled with the bends, expand into whole hideous
trilogies as hollow as nickel gumballs. Even poor Stephen Donaldson, who
struggles to atone for his literary crimes with wet hippy sincerity, has been
forced to re-xerox his Tolkien pastiches and doubly insult the public. As
Robert E. Howard spins in his grave, the Chryslers of publishing attach
rotors to his head and feet and use him to power the presses.
But the editors have eaten sour grapes and the writers' teeth are on
edge. Fantasy, for too long the vapid playground of McCaffreyite
unicorn-cuddlers and insect-eating SCA freaks, has some new and dangerous
borderlands. Suddenly, perhaps out of sheer frustration, fantasy has
movement and color again. It is the squirming movement of corruption and the
bright sheen of decay.
** Some Examples **
NIFFT THE LEAN by Michael Shea. DAW, $2.95. Jack Vance's acolyte,
author of the apprentice work QUEST FOR SIMBILIS, Shea has suddenly and
fearsomely come into his own. This astonishing work shows a furious
imaginative concentration that is impressive and even appalling. The
legitimate heir of Vance, Leiber, and Clark Ashton Smith, Shea rips aside the
polite, smirking ironies of these polished writers and shows us a crawling,
boiling vision of the demonic. He is a Fender Stratocaster to Vance's
Stradivarius.
For those familiar with Vance's work, the effect is odd and
disquieting, like seeing a favorite uncle stumble in, blasted on bad acid and
mumbling cosmis obscenities. There are supernatural horrors here that make
Cthulhu and his boys look as tame as pinstriped bankers. Hell itself, its
denizens and environs, are captured with a revolting nicety of detail and
expression that makes you wonder for the author's sanity.
Shea is doing for the outworn tradition of heroic fantasy what
Swinburne did for the tradition of romantic poetry: namely, piling it up in
a heap and setting it on fire. And, like Swinburne, he does it with so much
insight that he renders the tradition obsolete. Heroic fantasy is already
moribund; Shea's book is, strictly speaking, a work of decadence, even of
necromancy. This is an important, even crucial book, with the lurid
brilliance and craftsmanlike discipline of a Bosch canvas. Not to be missed.
RED AS BLOOD by Tanith Lee. DAW, $2.50. The morbid smirk of the
stereotyped fantasy damsel on the Michael Whelan cover of this book
personifies fantasy's new decadence. Lee's talent has always threatened to
overwhelm the narrow limits of her innumerable cape-and-thick-ankles
bodice-busters, and this time she has the bit between her teeth and takes off
for parts unknown.
She has returned to fantasy's roots -- the 4/4 beat of Grimm's fairy
tales -- and ripped it up in a way that Ramones fans might find eerily
familiar. This is a very punk book -- all red and black -- and it has some
of the end-of-the-world energy of a '77 Pistols gig. These stories are
TWISTED -- tales of bloodlust, sexual frustration, schoolgirl nastiness,
world-devouring ennui, and a detailed obsession with Satanism that truly
makes one wonder.
Casual readers may find some of these stories dense and opaque.
Lee's prose has a cryptic, involuted quality, which creates the impression
that she is hinting at matters too blasphemous to speak of openly. It's a
peculiar style, alternately annoying and frightening.
Some of this apparent awkwardness is the result of a refusal to
compromise. It is the sign of an artist struggling to explian her visions in
what amounts to a private dialect. Even the failures are a left-handed
tribute to her integrity. She is uniquely gifted.
If you are the kind of fan who wants to have a dragon for a friend
and loves small furry animals, stay away from this book, because you might
die from it.
LYONESSE by Jack Vance. Berkley, $6.95. This latest effort has all
the qualities Vance devotees cherish: vivid clarity in description, clever,
colorful protagonists, fully realized societies complete with Vance's
trademark footnotes, and headlong, exciting plotting that has footloose
freedom without becoming slipshod.
It's true that Vance has only one voice: a carefully crafted,
mock-archaic one. Vance characters, from wizards to galactic effectuators,
always speak with the same sense of antiquated, polite calculation. In
LYONESSE, a pair of housecats are given the power of speech, and when they
immediately pipe up with a uniquely Vancian courteous peevishness the
effective is irresistably (and deliberately) hilarious. It's a voice that
has served Vance well, and has even been borrowed wholesale by Michael Shea
without becoming tiresome.
Vance's works have always had a veiled darker side; they are replete
with wine-sipping perverts whose sidelong glances and polite insinuations
hint at unspeakable vices. Vance is a writer of rare perception; although he
created many of the parameters of modern fantasy, he is clearly aware of
their exhaustion. His answer, like Shea's, is to turn up the amps.
Thus we have a female character whose suffering innocence almost
reminds one of deSade's Justine. There is a definite, quiet cruelty in this
book that is presented with an alarming sense of relish. Characters are
blinded, tortured, branded, buggered, thrown into wells and left to die.
Women and children especially are singled out for torment; one long section
is a Tanith Lee-esque black fairy tale, and its peculiar viciousness is
cynically funny. At last Vance even turns on the reader, for the book's
ending is a cruel joke. It hints at books to follow, but since Vance's
languorous attitude toward sequels is legendary, his audience is probably
doomed to a long session on the tenterhooks.
THE FLOATING GODS by M. John Harrison. Timescape, $2.50. This book
is called IN VIRICONIUM in Britain, but was stupidly retitled for American
release, presumably because Timescape believes we are boneheads. It's the
third book in a sword-and-sorcery trilogy that includes THE PASTEL CITY and A
STORM OF WINGS.
It's clear that a different but allied form of decadence has struck
Across the Water. Its trademark is not perversion, but exhaustion. PASTEL
CITY rejoiced in such sprightly characters as Tomb, "the nastiest dwarf that
ever hacked the hands off a priest," whose rotten malevolence was a welcome
relief from Harrison's sometimes stifling meditations on spiritual decline.
FLOATING GODS has no such characters. It is set in a city smothered
under a nebulous Plague Zone. Possibly Harrison has spent too much time in
Brixton. Despair seems to have been printed across his eyeballs in letters
of fire. THE FLOATING GODS is a relentless exercise in total, stifling
futility; it is one long, gray, debilitating dream.
Harrison's extraordinary talent merely crams the reader's head more
firmly into the bucket. It is impossible to read this book without
considering suicide. It is painful to read; painful even to think about.
Let's hope to God something happens soon to cheer him up.
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These new editions are readily available at your local
smokestack-industry chainstore bookstand. You could do a lot
worse.
1. SOFTWARE Rudy Rucker. Ace, 2.25. Pyrotechnic work by deranged math
professor. The hottest thing going in contemporary SF.
2. UNIVERSE 10 Terry Carr, ed. Zebra, 2.50. Fine anthology reduced to utter
penury. Should be bought for the good of the genre.
3. PAST MASTER R. A. Lafferty. Ace, 2.50. Classic Lafferty. His most
decipherable SF novel.
4. THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS Ursula K. LeGuin. Brilliant LeGuin from her
pre-didactic era. Has modern intro with words like "semiotic" and
"positivist."
5. THE IRON DREAM Norman Spinrad. Timescape, 2.95. Biting parody of
fascistic SF power fantasies. Genuinely bizarre.
6. THE MONSTER OF THE PROPHECY Clark Ashton Smith. Timescape, 2.50. Curious
archaeological relic from the Golden Age. Outrageous, clotted prose.
7. THE KING IN YELLOW Robert W. Chambers. Ace, 2.50. What fantasy was like
before its prostitution.
8. A WORLD OUT OF TIME Larry Niven. Del Rey, 2.50. Heartening indication
that Niven may escape total artistic collapse.
9. CREATURES OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS Roger Zelazny. Avon, 2.25.
Self-indulgent pastiche of his best work. Flashes of brilliance. Beats
being smothered in amber.
10. ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK Mike McQuay. Bantam, 2.50. Surprisingly decent
novelization. Makes more sense than the
movie.
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cyber.culture.16dragisha,
-> #10, dcolak-> │ Yes! Prava tema...
-> │ Ovde bi mogli da se salju moduli u cyber fazonu! :)
->
-> Meni uopšte nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da
-> pročitam... U čemu je štos? :))
Jesi probao da SE uključiš?:) Tada radi!
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cyber.culture.17zqusovac,
-> #6, novim> 4. Cyberpunk books
A da ti nama neposvecenima ubacis ovde kakvu kracu pricu ili dve, da znamo
da li da dajemo resign ili da izdrzimo jos malo.
poz,
zq
cyber.culture.18novim,
-> #17, zqusovac" A da ti nama neposvecenima ubacis ovde kakvu kracu pricu ili dve, da
" znamo da li da dajemo resign ili da izdrzimo jos malo.
Po treći put: svima koji mrze da čitaju, pa su za njih poruke
dugačke (reč je uglavnom o materijalima s Interneta), neka vataju
tutanj odavde i ne gnjave više na tu temu. ;)
cyber.culture.19spantic,
Ovo je više za temu EXTRA::SF, ali neka se zna. Gibson je
napisao novu knjigu, koja usput budi rečeno treba uskoro da
izađe u NDHaziji.
Isto tako je najavljeno završenje filma po priči "Johnny
Mnemonic" zakrajgodine.
cyber.culture.20milan,
-> #18, novim> " A da ti nama neposvecenima ubacis ovde kakvu kracu pricu ili dve, da
> " znamo da li da dajemo resign ili da izdrzimo jos malo.
>
> Po treći put: svima koji mrze da čitaju, pa su za njih poruke
> dugačke (reč je uglavnom o materijalima s Interneta), neka vataju
> tutanj odavde i ne gnjave više na tu temu. ;)
!
Pl poz M
P.S. Ne brini, upravo smo zbrisali ......
cyber.culture.21inferno,
-> #18, novimŮ│ ˙ Po treći put: svima koji mrze da čitaju, pa su za njih poruke
Ů│ ˙ dugačke (reč je uglavnom o materijalima s Interneta), neka vataju
Ů│ ˙ tutanj odavde i ne gnjave više na tu temu. ;)
Ajde lepo definiši pojam "Cyber Culture" pa il' da palimo
ili da čitamo, važi?
cyber.culture.22dcolak,
-> #16, dragisha│ -> Meni uopšte nije jasan Neuromancer. Nisam uspeo ni jedan ekran da
│ -> pročitam... U čemu je štos? :))
│
│ Jesi probao da SE uključiš?:) Tada radi!
Hm, pročitah Kukavičje Jaje 'iz cuga' al' neuromancera nikako. Krenem
ja ali nikako da stvorim sliku, kao da čitam tekstove sa sličica u
dečjim albumima! Možda da se napijem ili nešTo slično? Možda neka
muzika?
Sledge DAMMIR!
cyber.culture.23novim,
-> #20, milan" P.S. Ne brini, upravo smo zbrisali ......
Neka "previše dobroj udavači" (I just quote!) neko prenese da sam
duboko dirnut, da nisam brinuo ni pre, pa sam utoliko više zahvalan, i
da me jedino čudi da o sebi govori o množini. (Udavača je - već? -
trudna?!) ;>
cyber.culture.24novim,
-> #21, inferno" Ajde lepo definiši pojam "Cyber Culture" pa il' da palimo
" ili da čitamo, važi?
Moraćete da čitate, pa neka svako "definiše" za sebe. Moja namera je
da pokrenem, a ne da "definišem" (ako se to očekuje, nisam taj.)
Da se dogovorimo: slaćemo ovde sve što se tiče raznih vidova odnosa
između kompjuterske tehnologije i kulture (u širokom smislu): od SF-a
tog tipa i cyber-punka, preko hakerskih subkultura, pa sve do
(danas) neobičnijih razmišljanja o kompjuterima. Neću pogrešiti kad
kažem da najveći deo ovdašnjih komp. ovisnika/korisnika nema na
umu kulturni aspekt tehnologije. Verovatno tako treba da bude,
tehničari ne moraju misliti na konsekvence svoje tehnologije. Mđt,
nisu svi tehničari, niti je tehnologija bez posledica po razne druge
oblasti. Cyber.culture ima za predmet onu oblast koja nije pan-
tehnološka. O tom predmetu ima već more literature.
Pišite ovde šta vam je volja, naravno. Na kraju meseca bi bilo
izbrisano sve što ne pripada ovoj temi, pa otuda možete slobodno dati
resign, a onda jednom mesečno pokupiti temu očišćenu svih "šumova" (ko
hoće i "šumove", neka onda skuplja poruke svkodnevno). Mislim da je to
solidna nagodba, štedi i živce i vreme (svima, osim meni i Balindi).
Naglašavam ovo ponovo, jer će materijal dovlačen s raznih strana biti
duži (i do 15 Kb po jednoj poruci), i neće - sem u nekim slučajevima -
biti pakovan kao fajl uz poruku. Dakle, kome je to mnogo - neka sačeka
kraj meseca; koga, pak, ne zanima, ok je. Što bi nas sve zanimale iste
stvari, uostalom!
Zato, neka niko ne kuka na dužinu poruka, kuknjava će biti naprosto
ignorisana, jer su svakom pod dirkama i resign i ignore.
Može li tako? :)
cyber.culture.25novim,
<PC.OS.4:unix, 4.343, Dragisha>
" -> Eh da, šta je daemon?
"
" Molim Novicu da postuje daemon entry iz JAR u cyber.culture :).
Glad to.:)) Elem:
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"The on-line hacker Jargon File, version 3.0.0, 27 JUL 1993".
<...>
:daemon: /day'mn/ or /dee'mn/ <from the mythological meaning,
later rationalized as the acronym 'Disk And Execution MONitor'> n.
A program that is not invoked explicitly, but lies dormant waiting
for some condition(s) to occur. The idea is that the perpetrator
of the condition need not be aware that a daemon is lurking (though
often a program will commit an action only because it knows that it
will implicitly invoke a daemon). For example, under <<ITS>>
writing a file on the <LPT> spooler's directory would invoke the
spooling daemon, which would then print the file. The advantage is
that programs wanting (in this example) files printed need neither
compete for access to nor understand any idiosyncrasies of the
<LPT>. They simply enter their implicit requests and let the
daemon decide what to do with them. Daemons are usually spawned
automatically by the system, and may either live forever or be
regenerated at intervals.
Daemon and <demon> are often used interchangeably, but seem to
have distinct connotations. The term 'daemon' was introduced to
computing by <CTSS> people (who pronounced it /dee'mon/) and
used it to refer to what ITS called a <dragon>. Although the
meaning and the pronunciation have drifted, we think this glossary
reflects current (1993) usage.
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cyber.culture.26novim,
-> #22, dcolak" Hm, pročitah Kukavičje Jaje 'iz cuga' al' neuromancera nikako. Krenem
" ja ali nikako da stvorim sliku, kao da čitam tekstove sa sličica u
" dečjim albumima! Možda da se napijem ili nešTo slično? Možda neka
" muzika?
Ili stani (pa čitaj ponovo, strpljivije - čitanje je malo
komplikovanije od sricanja slova i praćenja reda reči, ponekad tekst
traži posebnu koncentraciju, tj. raspred pažnje i vremena i sl.) il'
odustani. :) Šta te zapravo od toga zanima? Gibsonova knjiga je izvrsna,
možda značajnija no što se misli. (Ali, ako ti ne ide, ostavi; nemoj
na silu, jednog leta će možda čitanje krenuti bolje.)
Pokušaću da pribavim nešto posebno o Gibsonu, ako si na to mislio.
cyber.culture.27dragisha,
-> #24, novim-> Zato, neka niko ne kuka na dužinu poruka, kuknjava će biti naprosto
-> ignorisana, jer su svakom pod dirkama i resign i ignore.
->
-> Može li tako? :)
Meni odgovara. Ništa gore od fajla uz poruku, em mora drugi put da se
zove, em to onda nikad da se organizuje kako treba. Ovako, THor
sistematizuje :).
Kad sam već tuj, jel' imaš .html materijala? Mala digresija, zamisli
nešto kao Hazarski rječnik u .HTML. Perverzno :)).
--
[Shareware? Reminds me of a girl in my high school.]
cyber.culture.28dragisha,
-> #22, dcolak-> Hm, pročitah Kukavičje Jaje 'iz cuga' al' neuromancera nikako. Krenem
-> ja ali nikako da stvorim sliku, kao da čitam tekstove sa sličica u
-> dečjim albumima! Možda da se napijem ili nešTo slično? Možda neka
-> muzika?
Kukavičje jaje nisam čitao, ali po onome što znam pretpostavljam da je to
uglavnom krimi priča. Uostalom, sama činjenica da je zasnovano na stvarnom
događaju govori da to nije baš čisto (ako je ikako!) cyber žanr. S druge
strane, Neuromanser je deep SF, sa nesvakidašnjim idejama. Nimalo
uobičajena stvar i baš treba prići tome kako treba.
Ima li neko električni oblik Neuromansera? Postoji li to uopšte?
--
[If life is but a Dream please wake me up..]
cyber.culture.29fancy,
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"cybart #2" - le fan, '94.
(closed groove phenomenon)
cyber.culture.30novim,
-> #28, dragisha" Ima li neko električni oblik Neuromansera? Postoji li to uopšte?
Ima. Baš ovde. :)
Evo ga još jednom, gde najviše i pripada.
neuroman.zipcyber.culture.31acid,
Evo vam nekoliko textova poskidanih iz jednog amiginog Disk-Mag-a...
Probacu da nadjem jos literature....
cyber.lhacyber.culture.32radosav,
-> #30, novim Jel ovo engleska ili srpska verzija? Da znam da ne skidam džabe.
cyber.culture.33armitage,
-> #24, novim> Moraćete da čitate, pa neka svako "definiše" za sebe. Moja namera je
> da pokrenem, a ne da "definišem" (ako se to očekuje, nisam taj.)
Ljudi moraju najpre da se oslobode zablude (a zbilja se radi o zabludi)
da je računar isključivo alatka ili pomagalo u radu. E, kada se svi lepo
okupimo na toj lokaciji, onda možemo da razmislimo gde ćemo dalje.
(čuveni tagline: [ PCs are tools. Amiga is an instrumentá] ;> )
-*- Armitage -*-
cyber.culture.34novim,
-> #32, radosav" Jel ovo engleska ili srpska verzija? Da znam da ne skidam džabe.
Engleska verzija.
cyber.culture.35fancy,
Jel' može odgovor od nadležnih za ovu "šiber kulturu"..?
*
Šta to zapravo znači, i od kakvog je značaja uopšte..?
deluje pretenciozno do bola...
cyber.culture.36novim,
-> #31, acid" Evo vam nekoliko textova poskidanih iz jednog amiginog Disk-Mag-a...
Prva od 4 stvari u tvom paketiću je Gibsonova "Burning Chrome"
(poslednja priča iz istoimene zbiirke priča); ostale 3 stvari su
tekuća cyber-produkcija. - Međutim, Gibson je ovde u fajlu tek trećina
ili četvrtina od cele priče; imaš li možda i ostatak da pošalješ,
da ne ostane ovako krnje...
Ps: Šalji sve što imaš, naravno. :)
cyber.culture.37novim,
-> #35, fancy" Jel' može odgovor od nadležnih za ovu "šiber kulturu"..?
" Šta to zapravo znači, i od kakvog je značaja uopšte..?
Znači spoj kibernetike (ili, još bolje, a unekoliko i tačnije:
kibernautike) i kulture. Obuhvata: cyberpunk (u više njegovih
značenja), virtual reality, hakerske subkulture, hipertekst,
multimedije, umetnost nastalu na kompjuteru (nalik na tvoj crtani
prilog), razmišljanja o tome šta je kompjuter, itd. - sve ono što bi
se odnosilo na civilizacijski smisao ovog tipa tehnologije.
Kao što znaš, moglo se zvati i "virtualni.svet", moglo se zvati i
drukčije, "cyber.culture" je konvencija poput ostalih.
" deluje pretenciozno do bola...
Veoma. Evo koje sve News grupe na Usenetu postoje koje se bave ovom
ili sličnom temom (podaci su od još pre 2 godine, dakle - barem je
duplo više toga danas; iz spiska možeš naslutiti šta sve tu može da
spada):
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cyber.culture.38fancy,
-> #37, novimŮŢ> Znači spoj kibernetike (ili, još bolje, a unekoliko i tačnije:
ŮŢ> kibernautike) i kulture. Obuhvata: cyberpunk (u više njegovih
ŮŢ> prilog), razmišljanja o tome šta je kompjuter, itd. - sve ono što bi
ŮŢ> se odnosilo na civilizacijski smisao ovog tipa tehnologije.
ok, thanx.
nego... vidim one silne konferencije dole, i zaista mi ne pada na pamet
kako bi izgledalo u recimo, conf. "high-tech low-life"...
Šta kažeš da ako nekako možeš, baciš malo žvake iz tih confs..?
i, glede:
ŮŢ> alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life.
ŮŢ> alt.drugs Recreational pharmaceuticals and related
ŮŢ> flames. alt.drugs.usenet Many things are addictive besides
ŮŢ> pills.
ŮŢ> alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark.
ŮŢ> alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs.
ŮŢ> alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature.
ŮŢ> alt.thrash Thrashlife.
al' se oni dobro zezaju...
cyber.culture.39fifana,
Hi, drustvo.
Bas lepo da je krenulo. Sad, za promenu, imamo gde i glavu da ukljucimo.
Samo malo da dodjem sebi (nocas sam stigla), eto mene opsirno.
Lj.
cyber.culture.40inesic,
-> #30, novim> " Ima li neko električni oblik Neuromansera? Postoji li to
> uopšte?
>
> Ima. Baš ovde. :)
>
> Evo ga još jednom, gde najviše i pripada.
Možda nisi znao, ali ti si car. Sad ću da pokupim, pre nego što
se neko od ovih sa sezama seti da pravi pitanja oko autorskih
prava.
cyber.culture.41novim,
-> #38, fancy" kako bi izgledalo u recimo, conf. "high-tech low-life"...
To je opis za alt.cyberpunk. Autor opisa iz Future Culture verovatno
podrazumeva da to svi - koji čitaju Future Culture, a cyberpunk
magazine - znaju, pa navodi lakonsku "definiciju". Đavo bi ga znao na
šta je tačno mislio, ali meni "high-tech low-life" neodoljivo liči na
kratku šifru za nas, ovde, AD 199*. Sediš i čitaš Dr.Grbinu
"oko.sveta", umesto da si zaista on-the-road. E-Keruak.
Optuži me za devet x patetika, ali mi ideja da se što pre nekako
kačimo na Internet izgleda upravo kao otvaranje puta u svet, makar i
virtualnog; lično sam iz nešto starije generacije nego većina mladih
ljudi na Sezamu, pa sam još kao student mogao da putujem po Jevropi
dosta; ali današnji apsolvent, recimo, teško da će da moći da se
'ladno otisne do Londona, Pariza ili Rima (što smo mi nekad mogli bez
previše problema, tj. para). Neka onda barem ljudi ovaj geto u šta nam
se pretvorila zemlja razbijaju elektronskim putovanjem...
Zato doživljavam Juku kao svoju političku stranku, pre nego bilo koju
drugu ese-pe-oese-de-be-lo-pa-tanko...
Ps: Možemo ovde slati i stvari koje se tiču i drogica ili loših
hakera; lično nemam ništa protiv poruka o tome, sve dok su
inteligentne. Valjda se podrazumeva da prebacivanje nekog Internet
materijala u ovu temu ne predstavlja obavezno i stav onoga ko to
prebacuje. - Takođe, nikako mi se ne definiše šta je to
"cyber.culture" unapred; svako ima o tome svoju predstavu, pa ćemo
njihovih kontrastriranjem doći do nečeg zajedničkog... Idućih dana će
ići još malo "crtanja opšteg okvira" ove teme, tj. izvodi iz
pominjanog Future Culture...
" al' se oni dobro zezaju...
Axa... Nekako mi najveći deo naših poruka izgleda kao da su pisane s
gorčinom, ne retko zlobno, resantimanski, s idejom "šutni-ga-u-
cevanicu-il-ga-zezni"... :((( - Ne mora sve biti tako. Za početak da
unesemo malo opuštenijeg i sporijeg ritma (sajber-bluza) u inače
prebrzo listanje/pregledanje poruka u Soru - OTUDA moje insistiranje
da se ponešto i čita, a ne samo * rem... Makar i za manji broj ljudi,
one strpljivije i otvorenije...
cyber.culture.42inferno,
-> #24, novimŮ│ ˙ Moraćete da čitate, pa neka svako "definiše" za sebe. Moja namera je
Ů│ ˙ da pokrenem, a ne da "definišem" (ako se to očekuje, nisam taj.)
Ja sam samo pitao ŠTA je to cyber culture. Nisam upoznat sa
istim.
Ů│ ˙ Da se dogovorimo: slaćemo ovde sve što se tiče raznih vidova odnosa
Ů│ ˙ između kompjuterske tehnologije i kulture (u širokom smislu): od SF-a
Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehničke
kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogrešio? :)
cyber.culture.43mikis,
-> #27, dragisha+> Kad sam već tuj, jel' imaš .html materijala? Mala digresija, zamisli
+> nešto kao Hazarski rječnik u .HTML. Perverzno :)).
Perverzno ili ne, ali čuo sam da Pavić sprema pomenutu knjigu baš u
hipretekst obliku, "na disketi"! :)
cyber.culture.44spantic,
-> #27, dragisha> Kad sam već tuj, jel' imaš .html materijala? Mala digresija, zamisli
> nešto kao Hazarski rječnik u .HTML. Perverzno :)).
Pa Pavić kanda radi na takvom projektu.
cyber.culture.45novim,
-> #42, inferno" Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehničke
" kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogrešio? :)
žini mi se da bi pre bilo obrnuto: kultura tehnike, recimo.
Ps: Ama toliku zbunjenost komp. profesionalaca (da im zanat ima i
kulturni smisao) još ne videh! Šta vam je, bre? :))))
cyber.culture.46ganta,
-> #41, novim> Axa... Nekako mi najveći deo naših poruka izgleda kao da su pisane s
> gorčinom, ne retko zlobno, resantimanski, s idejom "šutni-ga-u-
> cevanicu-il-ga-zezni"... :((( - Ne mora sve biti tako. Za početak da
Da li je to samo samnom slučaj, ali opšta atmosfera na Sezamu
je baš zamorna. Non stop šutke ;(
Može li ovde da krene nešto sasvim drugačije, da probamo da
napravimo neku vrstu multimedijalne galerije. Fancy kao nije
znao šta znači ime ove teme ;) a ono što je okačio je baš ono
pravo.
cyber.culture.47acid,
-> #36, novim
> ili cetvrtina od cele price; imas li mozda i ostatak da posaljes,>
> da ne ostane ovako krnje...
Nazalost nemam.... Probacu da nadjem ali ovo sto sam poslao su bili svi
textovi koje sam nasao :< ( U disk-magu ) .
cyber.culture.48novim,
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Agrippa: A Book of the Dead - A collaboration between author ŠWilliam
GibsonĆ, publisher Kevin Begos Jr, and artist Dennis Ashbaugh.
This art-work contains engravings by Ashbaugh which appear or
disappear in light and an on-disk semi-autobiographical poem by
ŠWilliam GibsonĆ which is unreadable after having been read once.
Agrippa is notable because in many respects it blurs the lines
about what art is, and adds fuel to the fire on issues of property
rights and intellectual property. <v. CIV.7. - 6.62>
BBSes - electronic Bulletin Board Systems. Begun in the late 70's, a
form of Švirtual communityĆ existing in ŠcyberspaceĆ where
participants (usually using aliases) may send and receive
public and private messages to each other on any topic
imaginable, transfer software (copyrighted and/or public
domain), play on-line games, etc. There is the "over-ground"
BBS world where aliases are less common and illegal activities
are avoided in discussion, and the Ššcomputerć undergroundĆ
where illegal activities and discussions are very common,
members use aliases, and illegal information and/or software
is exchanged.
Boxing - A variety of electronic devices used to aid in ŠphreakingĆ.
The original was the blue box, used from the mid 60's to the
mid 80's, which allowed long distance phone calls to be made
for free. A variety of other similar instruments
accomplishing different tasks have been developed, some
purely comical, some quite practical.
CC fraud - Credit Card or Calling Card fraud. common in the
Šcomputer undergroundĆ community.
Chaos Theory - science revolving around simplistic equations
involving a large number of variables. Gave rise to
ŠfractalsĆ, a form of ŠcyberdelicĆ art. For further info on
the subject, James Gleick's "Chaos: Making a New Science" is
suggested.
Computer Underground - "A group organized in secrecy, hidden behind
aliases, to promote the free exchange of information
regarding anything and everything including, but not limited
to: computers, telephones, radios, chemicals, and ideas."
(thanx to The Butler for this definition)
The mainstay of communication for the computer underground is
ŠcyberspaceĆ, more specifically ŠBBSesĆ. The computer
underground is comprised of ŠhackersĆ, ŠphreakersĆ,
ŠpiratersĆ, anarchists, and other ŠcyberpunksĆ.
CP - see ŠcyberpunkĆ.
Cryonics - The fringe science of freezing a person's head or whole
body after death, in the hopes that in the future they may be
revived and brought back to life.
Cyber- - A prefix taken from ŠcyberneticsĆ generally used in popular
culture to mean anything that is technologically oriented.
Cyberdeck - Term originated by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ to refer to a
computer used by Šdeck cowboysĆ that can connect to the
ŠmatrixĆ.
Cyberdelic - "Cyber-art". Examples include ŠfractalsĆ,
computer-generated pictures and/or music, Švirtual worldsĆ,
etc.
Cybernetics - The study of communication systems in living organisms
and machines, the mathematical analysis of the flow of
information.
Cyberpunk - Begun as a literary movement in the 80's, an off-shoot of
normal science fiction. Unique in that it generally occurs
in the present or not so distant future, the characters are
often considered "punks" and technology, (the cyber aspect), is
prominent. "Neuromancer" by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ, published in
1984, is considered by most to be the "bible" of cyberpunk.
Another prominent author is ŠBruce SterlingĆ, editor of
another worthy cyberpunk collection, "Mirrorshades".
Other examples of cyberpunk include Max Headroom (tv
show) and Blade Runner (movie). Cyberpunk is
special in that it has evolved from a purely literary
movement to a realistic subculture. Many "techno-punks"
(ie: ŠhackersĆ) are considered cyberpunks. Other
contributing factors to the cyberpunk subculture
include: virtual reality, hallucinogenic and ŠnootropicĆ
drugs, and industrial and punk music. For an in-depth,
detailed look at cyberpunk fiction and cyberpunk culture,
"Storming the Reality Studio", ed. by Larry McCaffery is
suggested.
Cyberspace - "The electronic frontier." A completely virtual
environment: the sum total of all ŠBBSesĆ, computer networks,
and other Švirtual communitiesĆ. Unique in that it is
constantly being changed, exists only virtually, can be
practically infinite in "size", communication occurs
instantaneously world-wide - physical location is completely
irrelevant most of the time.
Deck Cowboys - Futuristic version of a computer ŠhackerĆ or a
modern-day ŠcyberpunkĆ.
Electronic Frontier Foundation - (EFF). Organization founded by
Mitch Kapor (of Lotus fame) and John Perry Barlow (writer and
Grateful Dead songwriter) to establish laws for ŠcyberspaceĆ
and apply the constitution to Švirtual communitiesĆ.
Fractals - Images created using Šchaos theoryĆ. A mish-mash of
colors presented in a pattern that repeats itself many times
over. A popular type of fractal image is one created using
the "Mandlebrot set". Fractals are considered ŠcyberdelicĆ
art.
Gibson, William - Considered by most to be the "father" of
ŠcyberpunkĆ, along with ŠBruce SterlingĆ. His works include
the infamous "Neuromancer", "Count Zero", "Mona Lisa
Overdrive" (these 3 works are known as the ŠsprawlĆ series),
"The Difference Engine" with which he was co-author with ŠBruce
SterlingĆ, and "Burning Chrome" a collection of short
stories. Hist latest work is a poem in "ŠAgrippa: A Book of the
DeadĆ". Gibson says he will no longer be writing the "classic"
ŠcyberpunkĆ novels he is famous for.
Hacker - 60's (1st) generation (orig. MIT): one who tinkers with
software, electronics, computer hardware, etc. 80's (2nd)
ŠWarGamesĆ generation: one who enters computer systems
without permission with either malicious or non-malicious
intent, to gain, alter, or destroy information (labelled as
ŠcrackersĆ by the 60's generation). 90's (3rd) generation:
often called ŠcyberpunksĆ, mostly non-malicious ŠcrackersĆ
interested in information for the sake of information, and
not hacking for the sake of the hack - sometimes calling
themselves "information liberators", they have re-adopted
more of the original hacker ethic of the 60's which states
mainly "all information should be free", "access to computers
should be unlimited and total" and "promote
decentralization". This new, 3rd generation is commonly
associated with the computer underground, despite its mostly
non-malicious intent.
Industrial - A subculture revolving around industrial music, a
collection of mostly electronically created sounds and
samples that results in a fierce explosion of sound labelled
by many as "the new punk". This subculture is generally
anti-political, anti-aesthetic in nature.
Internet - A large and very popular world-wide computer network
begun by the Defense Department in the 60's that connects
educational institutions, corporations, organizations, and
military and government installations around the globe.
Some organizations exist that offer access to the Internet to
the general public for an hourly/monthly/yearly fee. See the
"BBSes" section of this article for more info, particularly
those BBSes listed with "public access unix" next to them.
Suggested are places like the ŠWELLĆ, ŠMindVoxĆ, Nyx (which is
free of cost), NetCom, etc. Many Internet users partake in
reading and contributing to ŠUsenetĆ, playing ŠMUDĆs, FTPing
text files and programs free of charge at the various FTP
sites, and 'telnet'ing to other Internet sites. Because of
its accessibility at a relatively low cost, size (the largest
computer network in the world), connectivity, and infinite
amounts of information, many network users prefer the Internet
to such services as CompuServe (often called Compu$erve on
the Internet) or Prodigy (which is more restricting in its
content). The Internet has something to offer for everyone.
Other portions of this file such as the suggested newsgroups
list, list of FTP sites, and list of 'telnet'able services and
sites, should be very helpful to the new Internet user. Once
you gain access to the Internet, it is suggested that you read
the 'news.announce.newusers' and 'news.newusers.questions'
and 'news.answers' newsgroups on ŠUsenetĆ. You might also want
to read the file 'NixPub: Listing of Public Access Unix sites'
to find an Internet dial-up (BBS/Service) in your area.
<to be cont'd>
cyber.culture.49dikla,
-> #46, ganta> Da li je to samo samnom slucaj, ali opsta atmosfera na Sezamu
> je bas zamorna. Non stop sutke ;(
Stvar je u tome sto vecina korisnika diskusije na S shvata
isuvise ozbiljno i licno, iz cega i proizilazi 'fenomen
sutke' koji je u zadnje vreme vrlo prisutan..;(
A da ne pominjem i eksponiranje_po_svaku_cenu mladje populacije
S koji bi po svaku cenu da skrenu paznju na sebe...;)
cyber.culture.50mikis,
-> #48, novim+> ŠWilliam GibsonĆ which is unreadable after having been read once.
+> form of Švirtual communityĆ existing in ŠcyberspaceĆ where
...
Ima li načina da nekako središ taj kodni raspored (YUSCII)? Ovako
sve vrvi od ŠĆ (slova, ne zagrade - prim. za juskijevce ;) ) u engleskom
tekstu :(
p.s. Svaka čast na prilozima :)
cyber.culture.51novim,
-> #50, mikis" Ima li načina da nekako središ taj kodni raspored (YUSCII)? Ovako
" sve vrvi od ŠĆ (slova, ne zagrade - prim. za juskijevce ;) ) u
" engleskom tekstu :(
Da ne bi da ti i čitam pred spavanje? :))) Ma, Alt-p, pa uzmi search &
replace, što će ti pomoći da središ to po svojoj volji; može pomoći i
Dejanov uyu...
Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je
engleski tekst...)
cyber.culture.52fifana,
-> #42, inferno> Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehnicke
> kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogresio? :)
Jesi.
Lj.
cyber.culture.53dragisha,
-> #51, novim-> Da ne bi da ti i čitam pred spavanje? :))) Ma, Alt-p, pa uzmi search &
-> replace, što će ti pomoći da središ to po svojoj volji; može pomoći i
-> Dejanov uyu...
Ne moraš baš pred spavanje, ali bi mogao u exec-u da dodaš jedan set code
none na početak i set code yuscii na kraj, tako da ne radi ulaznu
konverziju podrazumijevajući da baš to želiš. A mi to evidentno ne
želimo.:) Mali korak za novim-a, a veliki za čovječanstvo :).
Ako preporučuješ uyu ili s&r, onda ovakvo slanje poruka nema smisla,
jer OLR je onda samo jedna karika u filetransfer lancu, a za to je dokazano
bolji attach.
-> Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je
-> engleski tekst...)
Nikakav problem da je to YUSCII. Ali ASCII... :)
--
[If a program is useful, it must be changed.]
cyber.culture.54novim,
-> #53, dragisha" Ne moraš baš pred spavanje, ali bi mogao u exec-u da dodaš jedan set
" code none na početak i set code yuscii na kraj, tako da ne radi ulaznu
" konverziju podrazumijevajući da baš to želiš. A mi to evidentno ne
" želimo.:) Mali korak za novim-a, a veliki za čovječanstvo :).
"
" Ako preporučuješ uyu ili s&r, onda ovakvo slanje poruka nema smisla,
" jer OLR je onda samo jedna karika u filetransfer lancu, a za to je
" dokazano bolji attach.
Ama, baš hoćete sažvakano. Rekao sam: nema, sem izuzetno, attach (u
Sezamovom smislu kačenja fajla uz poruku). Dakle, ko voli, voli, ko ne
- ne, idemo dalje.
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Legion of Doom - (LoD). A legendary group of ŠhackersĆ from the
Šcomputer undergroundĆ. When they disbanded, some members
went on to form a computer security firm (ComSec), Loyd
Blankenship wrote GURPS Cyberpunk for ŠSteve Jackson GamesĆ
and some ended up in jail from ŠOperation SundevilĆ.
Matrix - Term coined by William Gibson which refers to the consensual
hallucination of ŠcyberspaceĆ.
MindVox - A Švirtual communityĆ in ŠcyberspaceĆ, also a ŠBBSĆ
connected to the ŠInternetĆ. A nexus of the Šcomputer
undergroundĆ and ŠcyberpunkĆ and Švirtual realityĆ begun by
Phantom Access Technologies, former members of the ŠLegion of
DoomĆ. See also the ŠWELLĆ
Mirrorshades - A very important collection of ŠcyberpunkĆ fiction by
various authors, most of whom are labelled as the Šmirrorshades
groupĆ. This book is edited by ŠBruce SterlingĆ and should be
available in most bookstores.
Mirrorshades Group - Original collection of ŠcpĆ authors which
includes William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, Tom Maddox, Lewis
Shiner, John Shirley, SF Eye magazine editor Steve Brown,
Rudy Rucker, Pat Cadigan, and others.
Mondo 2000 - Very popular ŠcyberpunkĆ and Šnew edgeĆ magazine.
Subscription information is available elsewhere in this file.
MUD - Multi-User Domain, Multi-User Dungeon, or Multi-User Dimension.
MUDs are multi-user role-playing-games of sorts that exist on
the ŠInternetĆ for entertainment purposes. MUDs are essentially
text-based Švirtual worldsĆ which players (participants) may
explore, change, or add on to. In some cases, the MUD is not
actually a "game" with scores, player attributes, levels, etc.,
but some MUDs are set up this way. MUDs tend to be based around
different science fiction genres such as fantasy, space, or even
ŠcyberpunkĆ. Some MUD environments have no defining
characteristics.
Nanotechnology - the science of "micro-machines". Small gears or
other machines seen only by a microscope, that can be used in
areas such as medicine and health, art, and other
technologies.
Net - A computer network. Often used to mean the ŠInternetĆ when referred
to as "the net"
Netrunner - see ŠhackerĆ.
New Edge - Fringe culture and fringe science, mostly techno-oriented,
and very popular in Southern California. ŠMondo 2000Ć is a
magazine devoted to the new edge.
Nootropics - A new fringe science revolving around drugs used to
increase intelligence, aid in memory, enhance brain activity,
etc. Touted as a fad by some, others claim that use of
nootropics actually work. See also ŠSmartDrinksĆ.
Operation Sundevil - Secret Service operation begun in 1990 intended
to destroy the Šcomputer undergroundĆ by confiscating ŠBBSesĆ
and detaining ŠhackersĆ.
Phrack - An important magazine existing only in ŠcyberspaceĆ, of
interest to the Šcomputer undergroundĆ. It's founder, Craig
Neidorf, now works for the ŠElectronic Frontier FoundationĆ.
Phreaker - ŠHackingĆ the phone system. Usually meaning to get phone
calls for free, whether by ŠboxingĆ or Šcc fraudĆ.
Post-modern - Literary, artistic, cultural, and philosophical
movement revolving around the post-industrial world in which
we live, and the unique aspects of the trends of modern
society.
Raves - A subculture revolving around all-night dance parties.
Typically, the parties are illegal and thus a complex
process is involved to find out where they are located. Rave
music is ŠtechnoĆ, the parties usually include 1 or more DJs.
Also present in many cases are "chill out rooms" which
feature more ambient music. Lasers, blaring music,
ŠcyberdelicĆ images, ŠSmartDrinksĆ and drugs (most often MDMA
šX, XTC, Ecstacy, Eć, LSD šacidć, ketamine, or nootropics)
are all large contributors to the rave eXperience. Raves are
generally illegal gatherings, held in empty warehouses, and
last until the next morning. Another large part of rave
culture is the flyers - used to find out where your next
party will be. Raves are meant to be very happy events,
everyone is happy and open and free, lay your inhibitions
aside for the night. Some have likened the rave eXperience
to "a weekly roving Štechno-Ćwoodstock for the 90's." Rave
fashion includes over-sized baggy t-shirts and pants, hooded
sweat-shirts, ski caps, and usually bright colors.
Slipstream - Term coined by ŠBruce SterlingĆ to denote cyberpunk
fiction, particularly pre-1984 fictional works that have been
influential to the Šmirrorshades groupĆ or that closely
resemble cyberpunk, but are usually outside of the sf genre.
An example would be William S. Burroughs.
SmartDrugs - ŠnootropicsĆ
SmartDrinks - Similar to SmartDrugs, or ŠnootropicsĆ, the intent of
these substances, loaded with vitamins, minerals, amino
acids, and other healthy substances, is to aid in brain
functioning. Smart Drinks are most often consumed at
ŠravesĆ, thus, the purpose of some smart drinks is to
"energize" the drinker, not to make them smarter.
Sprawl - Word used by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ to mean large mega-cities, and
places where different cities collide. Southern California
and New York City might be early examples of the sprawl. This
word is used often in modern times as "urban sprawl".
Steve Jackson Games - RPG manufacturers which have played a key role
in the evolution of ŠcyberpunkĆ and the Šcomputer
undergroundĆ. Operators of the Illuminati BBS and makers of
GURPS Cyberpunk, an RPG guide written by Loyd Blankenship, a
member of the ŠLegion of DoomĆ.
Sterling, Bruce - considered by most to be the "co-founder" of
ŠcyberpunkĆ along with ŠWilliam GibsonĆ. He is the editor of
"Mirrorshades: A cyberpunk anthology", which is considered
the quintessential collection of ŠcpĆ works by the
Šmirrorshades groupĆ. His other works include
"Islands in the Net", "Schizmatrix", "The Involution
Ocean", "The Artificial Kid", "The Difference Engine" which
he co-authored with ŠGibsonĆ and "The Hacker Crackdown" a
non-fiction account of the Šcomputer undergroundĆ and
ŠOperation SundevilĆ, including the ŠElectronic Frontier
FoundationĆ, ŠPhrackĆ, the ŠLegion of DoomĆ, ŠSteve Jackson
GamesĆ, etc.
Techno- - prefix similar to cyber-, referring to anything which has
its roots in current or futuristic technology.
Techno - type of music made almost entirely with the help of
computers, revolving around a fast-paced drum beat (as high
as 160 BPM), sampling, and synthesizers.
Teledildonics - Virtual sex in a Švirtual environmentĆ. Term often used
by the Šnew edgeĆ community.
2600 - A popular hardcopy magazine devoted to the Šcomputer undergroundĆ.
Subscription information is obtained elsewhere in this file.
Usenet - A collection of "newsgroups" on the ŠInternetĆ, in which
ŠInternetĆ users may post or read messages on almost any subject
imaginable. The topics of discussion are divided up into the
individual newsgroups, which total about 2000 on average.
Usenet is divided into various large sections, including the
'alt'ernative newsgroups, the 'comp'uter newsgroups, the
'sci'ence newsgroups and the 'talk' newsgroups. A suggested list
of newsgroups is contained in this file. Some groups are
moderated, while most remain completely uncensored.
Virtual Community - any group or gathering that exists in
ŠcyberspaceĆ. This could be a ŠBBSĆ, a ŠhackingĆ group, a
ŠnetĆ, or even a ŠzaibatsuĆ.
Virtual Culture - the collection of Švirtual communitiesĆ, and the
cultural aspects unique to those communities.
Virtual Environment - a Švirtual worldĆ.
Virtual Reality - a consensual hallucination of a world existing only
in ŠcyberspaceĆ. Modern day virtual reality uses helmets,
gloves, and body suits to create such a world, which is first
created on a computer and connected to the vr devices.
The goal of virtual reality is to generate a completely
alternate reality. Research in vr includes networking
people, so spacial limitations are meaningless. The
possibilities of vr-generated environments are as limitless
as the imagination.
Virtual World - a world existing in ŠcyberspaceĆ created and used
with Švirtual realityĆ technologies.
WELL - The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link. An important gridpoint in
the ŠmatrixĆ, a Švirtual communityĆ in ŠcyberspaceĆ, also a
ŠBBSĆ connected to the ŠInternetĆ. A group concerned mostly
with ŠcyberpunkĆ, Švirtual realityĆ, ŠnootropicsĆ, and other
aspects of the Šnew edgeĆ.
Zaibatsu - Japanese term used a lot by ŠWilliam GibsonĆ that means a
large mega-corporation, such as Sony for example.
<to be cont'd>
cyber.culture.55dragisha,
-> #25, novim-> " Molim Novicu da postuje daemon entry iz JAR u cyber.culture :).
->
-> Glad to.:)) Elem:
Sretni sam vlasnik jarg300.info, i zanima me postoji li način da postanem
sretni vlasnik WWW varijante istog, prostim downloadom nekog konjvertora?
Mosaic mi nekako više leži od ovog info-a :).
--
[C program run. C program crash. C programmer cry.]
cyber.culture.56fancy,
-> #54, novimŮŢ> đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ
ŮŢ> ŠcyberspaceĆ.
Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime
sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
Nemaš pojma kako ogavno izgleda bilo šta u zagradama... Ajde bar set
code none, neće biti šteta da nemaš YU slova, ali u ovim textovima koje
skidaš i šalješ ima dosta srednjih zagrada, pajpova, bekslešova...
Sam sebe miniraš...
cyber.culture.57alien,
-> #51, novim[] Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je
[] engleski tekst...)
Zar je moguće da tebi treba da se objašnjava da postoji
naredba SET CODE? ;) Kada šalješ ASCII tekst (u kome se koriste
znaci koji su u tvom kodnom rasporedu rezervisani za 'kukičasta'
slova), namesti kod na NONE, a posle vrati na svoj kodni raspored.
Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst
u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova.
cyber.culture.58inferno,
-> #52, fifanaŮ│ ˙ > Aaa, sad sam ukapirao. Cyber kultura je vid tehnicke
Ů│ ˙ > kulture? Jel tako il' sam opet pogresio? :)
Ů│ ˙
Ů│ ˙ Jesi.
Pa vadi me iz zablude, k'o Boga te molim. :)
cyber.culture.59novim,
-> #56, fancy"
" Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime
" sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
Postajete dosadni kao muve. Da vam nacrtam kako da konvertujete?
Napišem kako se koristi alt-p u Soru, potom uyu? Ili kako se na vga
karti može skakati iz yusci u ascii?
Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih
tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?!
cyber.culture.60novim,
-> #57, alien" Zar je moguće da tebi treba da se objašnjava da postoji
" naredba SET CODE? ;) Kada šalješ ASCII tekst (u kome se koriste
" znaci koji su u tvom kodnom rasporedu rezervisani za 'kukičasta'
" slova), namesti kod na NONE, a posle vrati na svoj kodni raspored.
" Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst
" u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova.
Zašto bih to radio? Zato što TI imaš problem? Koji JA treba da
reašavam i NE pišem svojim rasporedom??? Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti
određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti? Ja sebi ne bih takvo pravo davao
dokle god sam pri zdravoj svesti. Podrazumeva se da ću pisati kako
pišem, uključujući tu i kodni raspored, a tvoja podrazumevanja
ostavljam, naravno, tebi. I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijal-
nostima, gde se drugi ima pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima.
----
Dakle, idemo dalje:
_____________________ ____________________
/ __________________/ / ________________/
/ /____________ / /
/ ____________/ / /
/ / / /_______________
/__/ uture /__________________/ ulture
___________________________________________________________________
đ đ
đ Tomorrow's Reality Today..... đ
đ___________________________________________________________________đ
<...>
______________________________________________________________________________
đ đ
đ Books: đ
đ__________đ
??? American Flagg - comic
Cyberpunk - comic
Dirty Pair - comic
Judge Dredd - comic
PIHKAL: A Chemical Love Story
Anonymous - Go Ask Alice. Diary of 15 year-old girl in the drug world.
- Computers: Crimes, Clues, and Controls. Hacking.
Acker, Kathy - Blood and Guts in High School (fiction).
- Don Quixote, which was a dream (fiction).
- Empire of the Senseless (fiction).
- Great Expectations (fiction)
Adams, Douglas - The Meaning of Liff (fiction).
- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (fiction).
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (fiction).
- Life, the Universe, and Everything (fiction).
- So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish (fiction).
Aldiss, Brian Wilson - Barefoot in the Head: A European Fantasia (fiction).
- Enemies of the System (fiction)
Algren, Nelson - Man with the Golden Arm (fiction).
Army, U.S. - Computer-Related Crime
Ashby, W. Ross - An Introduction to Cybernetics
Austakalnis, Steve & David Blatner - Silicon Mirage. Vr.
Bachman, Richard - The Running Man (fiction)
Ballard, J. G. - The Atrocity Exhibition (Re/Search publication)
- Crash (fiction).
- Concrete Island
- High rise
Barlow, John Perry - Everything We Know is Wrong (forthcoming).
Barnes, Steven - Gorgon Child (fiction)
- Streetlethal (fiction)
Baudrillard, Jean - The Anti-Aesthetic: Essays on Postmodern Culture (ed.).
- Body Invaders: Panic Sex in America (ed.).
Bear, Greg - Blood Music (fiction)
- Eon (fiction)
- Eternity (fiction; sequel to Eon)
- Beyond Heaven's River (fiction)
- Forge of God (fiction)
- Great Sky River (fiction)
- Psychlone (fiction)
- Strength of Stones (fiction)
- The Wind Froma Burning Woman (fiction)
Beck, Jerome, & Rosenbaum, Marsha - Pursuit of Ecstacy: The MDMA Experience.
Bell, Madison Smartt - The Washington Square Ensemble
- Waiting for the End of the World
Belsito, Peter - HardCore California
- Notes from the Pop Underground
Benedikt, Michael - Cyberspace: First Steps.
Benford, Gregory - Against Infinity
Bernal, J. D. - The World, the Flesh, and the Devil
Bester, Alfred - Computer Connection (fiction)
- Golem 100 (fiction)
- The Demolished Man (fiction)
- The Stars My Destination (fiction)
Betanacourt, G. - Johnny Zed (fiction)
Bethke, Bruce - Cyberpunk (fiction)
- Elimination Round (fiction)
Bey, Hakim - T.A.Z.
Blankenship, Loyd (Steve Jackson Games) - GURPS Cyberpunk. RPG, guide to CP.
Bloombecker, Buck - Spectacular Computer Crimes. Hackers and RISKS and stuff.
Bova, Ben - Exiled from Earth (fiction)
Bradbury, Ray - Fahrenheit 451 (fiction)
Brecher, Edward M. (Consumer's Union) - Guide to Licit and Illicit Drugs.
Brin, David -Earth (fiction)
Brunner, John - The Shockwave Rider (fiction)
- Stand on Zanzibar (fiction)
- The Jagged Orbit (fiction)
- The Sheep Look Up (fiction)
- The Stone that Never Came Down (fiction)
Budrys, Algis - Michaelmas (fiction)
Burgess, Anthony - A Clockwork Orange (fiction).
- The End of the World News: An Entertainment. (fiction).
Burroughs, William S. - Interzone (fiction)
- Naked Lunch (fiction)
- Nova Express (fiction)
- The Soft Machine (fiction)
- Ticket That Exploded (fiction)
- The Wild Boys: A Book of the Dead (fiction)
- The Third Mind (fiction)
- The Yage Letters
Butler, Jack - Nightshade (fiction)
Cadigan, Pat - MindPlayers (fiction)
- Indigo (fiction)
- Patterns (fiction)
Card, Orson Scott - Ender's Game (fiction)
Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction)
Chambers, Iain - Popular Culture: The Metropolitan Experience (fiction)
Cornwall, Hugo - Datatheft. Hacking.
- Hacker's Handbook III. Hacking.
Cross, Ronald Anthony - Prisoners of Paradise (fiction)
Crowley, Aleister - Diary of a Drug Fiend
- Magick Without Tears
Davis, Douglas - Art and the Future
Dean, Ward - Smart Drugs & Nutrients. Nootropics, smart drugs.
Delany, Samuel - Dahlgren (fiction).
- Babel 17 (fiction)
- Nova (fiction)
DeLillo, Don - White Noise. (fiction)
Denning, Peter J. (ed. ACM) - Computers Under Attack. Viruses, Worms, Hackers
Denton, Bradley - Wrack'n'Roll (fiction)
Dick, Philip K. - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (Blade Runner)(fiction)
- Flow My Tears the Policeman Said (fiction)
- Vulcan's Hammer (fiction)
- Ubik (fiction)
- A Scanner Darkley (fiction)
Dickson, Gordon - The R-Master (fiction)
Dobbs, Bob - Book of the SubGenius
Dozois, Gardner - Slow Dancing Through Time (fiction)
Drexler, Eric - Engines of Creation. Nanotechnology.
Eco, Umberto - Foucault's Pendulum (historical fiction)
Effinger, George Alec - A Fire in the Sun (fiction).
- When Gravity Fails (fiction).
- The Exile Kiss (fiction)
Eisner, Bruce - Ecstacy: The MDMA Story.
Farren, Mick - The Long Orbit (fiction)
Faust, Clifford - The Company Man (fiction)
- A Death of Honor (fiction)
Fjermedal, Grant - The Tomorrow Makers (fiction)
Ford, John - Web of Angels (fiction).
Forester, Tom - Computer Ethics. Hacking, viruses, etc.
Foster, Alan Dean - Cyber Way (fiction)
Friedman, David - The Machinery of Freedmon. Anarchy.
Furst, ??? - Hallucinogens and Culture
Gerrold, David - When Harlie Was One
Gibson, William - Burning Chrome (fiction)
- Count Zero (fiction)
- The Difference Engine (with Bruce Sterling)(fiction)
- Mona Lisa Overdrive (fiction)
- Neuromancer (fiction)
- Virtual Light (forthcoming)
<to be cont'd>
cyber.culture.61fancy,
-> #59, novim (iz jedne ranije poruke)
Ţ> Zašto bih to radio? Zato što TI imaš problem? Koji JA treba da
Ţ> reašavam i NE pišem svojim rasporedom??? Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti
Ţ> određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti? Ja sebi ne bih takvo pravo davao
Ţ> dokle god sam pri zdravoj svesti. Podrazumeva se da ću pisati kako
Ţ> pišem, uključujući tu i kodni raspored, a tvoja podrazumevanja
Ţ> ostavljam, naravno, tebi. I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijal-
Ţ> nostima, gde se drugi ima pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima.
ŮŢ> Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih
ŮŢ> tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?!
^^
Potpuno si bezrazložno agresivan. Nisi dobar domaćin.
Goodbye c.c
cyber.culture.63mikis,
-> #59, novim+> Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih
+> tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?!
Okej, tvoja volja. Ja sam te zamolio zato što sam mislio da je
jednostavnije da ti u svoj exec ubaciš jedno
..set code none
..conf rep cyber.culture
(blablabla...)
..set code yuscii
nego da se 5 - 10 - 50 ljudi koji prate ovu konferenciju i koji
nemaju YUSCII zezaju sa konvertovanjem, search & replace, i sličnim
stvarima... Tebi oduzima 20-30 sekundi, nama dva-tri minuta.
No, nema veze, tvoja volja, neću više da lenjirašim.
cyber.culture.64crncic,
-> #59, novim >> Ali otkud ti ideja da odbacujem raspored kojim se služim, kako bih
>> tebi rešio problem koji TI imaš?!
Pa dobro, onda počni da kačiš te tekstove uz poruke.
cyber.culture.65novim,
-> #61, fancy/Fancy, 14.56:/
" sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
******
/Fancy, 14:61:/
" Potpuno si bezrazložno agresivan. Nisi dobar domaćin.
" Goodbye c.c
Bezrazložno agresivan, veliš? Ok, odustajem.
cyber.culture.66novim,
-> #64, crncic" Pa dobro, onda počni da kačiš te tekstove uz poruke.
Već rekoh da ću ovde slati duže Internet poruke, i da ko hoće da ih
čita neka ih čita, a ko neće niko mu neće ništa. Navike da se
prelistvaju a ne čitaju poruke - što bi bilo u redu da nije još gore
navike da se odgovara na poruke koje se samo jednim okom pregledaju -
nisu i moje navike, kao što nisu ni navike na Internetu, odakle i
potiču sve ove dugačke poruke koje bacam ovde. Tamo se, kad se ima
šta, piše onoliko koliko predmet traži.
Tema cyber.culture otvorena je pre 7 dana. Da će poruke biti takve
rečeno je dva puta pre otvaranja teme, a onda još tri puta za ovih
sedam dana (v. 14.18, 14.24, 14.41).
Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se
čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana.
Izvinjavam se posebno Balindi, koji je temu na moje traženje i
otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati
moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim
pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za kulturu.
Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na preganjanje
oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku 14.7
očigledno sam shvatio olako.
Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail,
uputiću ga sa kojeg BBS-a će moći da nastavi da skida te stvari.
cyber.culture.67aandrejin,
-> #66, novim> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka
> prihvati
> moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim
> neuspelim
> pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za
> kulturu.
> Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na
> preganjanje
> oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku
> 14.7
> očigledno sam shvatio olako.
Ma daj, za*ebi ŠLenjirašeĆ. Dobro je počelo.
Energiju oko preganjanja nemoj ni da trošiš nego šalji još
poruka sa Interneta.
Glupo je da jedna ovako dobra tema brzo zamre.
U svakom slučaju meni se tema dopala, a Š i Ć mi ne smetaju
uopšte. (dobro, možda malo)
Na pamet mi nebi palo da protestujem zbog toga i nevidim čemu rasprava.
ŠPozdrav aaĆ
:))
cyber.culture.68sale,
-> #66, novim>> " Pa dobro, onda počni da kačiš te tekstove uz poruke.
>>...
>> Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se
>> čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana.
>>...
>> Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail,
>> uputiću ga sa kojeg BBS-a će moći da nastavi da skida te stvari.
Eto na kojem je nivou cyber culture u nas... :( žovek ima inicijativu, koju
svi prihvate kao cool, i (dobro, posle malo natezanja) otvori se tema, i onda
svima ODJEDNOM bude TOLIKI problem to banalno konvertovanje...
Svidja mi se ideja da se tekstovi NE kače kao datoteke, već da budu normalne
poruke. Problem je što novim koristi yuscii, pa kada se u tekstu na engleskom
jeziku pojavljuju "kuke i kvake" one se vama sa ne-yuscii rasporedima
konvertuju u taj vaš ne-yuscii raspored. Umesto da dižete galamu, lepo
pređite na yuscii... ;-) (šala, ne treba opet počinjati tu temu, pogotovu ne
ovde).
Možda je stvarno najjednostavniji predlog da novim doda u autoexec
:cybersend
..set code none
..co jo civ
..co wri cyber.culture
..set code yuscii
I time jednom svojom komandom radi ono što ionako radi sa dve, a svi budu
mirni i zadovoljni.
U kakvoj su vezi reči "tolerancija", "razumevanje", "nenasilno rešavanje
sukoba" sa cyber.culture? (a ovakvo rešavanje jeste nasilno, jer se ubija
jedinstvena tema ) :( Zašto u našoj (yu) cyber kulturi mora da preovlađuju
upravo najgore stvari iz "real" kulture? Dole cyber-dizelaši i slični!
cyber.culture.69fancy,
-> #65, novimŮŢ>" sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
ŮŢ> ******
Znaš šta... nemoj da se praviš blesav..! :(
Ne izvlači rečenice iz konteksta, nema smisla, a i ne stoji ti..!
Moja originalna poruka 14.56 je kao što se sećaš glasila:
Ţ> Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime
Ţ> sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
Ako nisi u stanju da vidiš šaljiv ton u toj rečenici, onda, jebi ga...
Ako treba da ti crtam, i nacrtaću ti:
Moja molba da u porukama sa textovima koje šalješ setuješ code none,
NIJE uperena protivu tvoje ličnosti i slobode da izabereš najbolji kodni
raspored za sebe, nego je rukovođena žISTO ESTETSKIM razlozima.
Nije tačno da sam ti ja jedini to sugerisao, ali ako si toliko sujetan
da tako teško doživljavaš kritike, onda stvarno..:((
žemu potezanje raznih uvreda tipa "lenjiraši..."..? žemu tolika oholost
i prepotencija..? Aman čoveče, pa čim sam ti napisao da "sabotiraš sam
sebe" (u istoj poruci) znači da mi je stalo da to izgleda OK.
Da me je boleo q-ruts za sve, ne bih ti ni pisao...
ŮŢ> Bezrazložno agresivan, veliš? Ok, odustajem.
^^^^^^^^^
Opet..? :)))) Ma hajde...
Šta je ovo? Još jedna od igara "ako neće da bude po mome, onda neću da
se igram..." Ne budi smešan, pa ovde smo svi čak i pristali na tvoja
pravila igre, zainteresovao si ljude cyber pisanijem, ali tvoj odnos
prema onima koji ti upućuju bilo kakvu kritiku, pa makar i kroz šalu,
nije u redu...
Šta sad..? Sad ćeš kao da se povučeš i kao nećeš više da šalješ priloge
jer te je neko, kao, uvredio... Ajde ne brukaj se više, i šalji te
priloge, makar i sa ŠĆ zagradama... Nemaš pravo da odustaneš, jer si
ti povukao ovu temu.
I, prestani da se ponašaš kao razmaženo derle.
cyber.culture.70severian,
-> #66, novim> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati
> moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim
> pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za
> kulturu. Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na
> preganjanje oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz.
Izvini, ali ovo je zaista patetično. Pa, ljudi su samo
predložili da setuješ ascii. Nećeš, ok! Ali, nemoj sada da se
ponašaš kao sujetni klinac i da vičeš: 'neću više da se igram!'...
Ovo je odlična tema i TREBA da živi...
ps: oprosti ako sam bio suviše neposredan(s' obzirom da se lično ne
poznajemo).
cyber.culture.71alien,
-> #60, novim[] Zašto bih to radio?
Zar je moguće da TEBI, Novice, treba da objašnjavati zašto
se treba ponašati pristojno? :(
[] Zato što TI imaš problem?
Nemam JA problem nego TI! (O prirodi tvog problema neću da
diskutujem jer bi bilo neukusno.)
[] Koji JA treba da reašavam i NE pišem svojim rasporedom???
Ovde si mi veoma olakšao posao ;> jer si i sam (u poruci 14.51)
napisao:
[] Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je
[] engleski tekst...)
S obzirom na to da koristiš kodni raspored koji u sebi ne sadrži
potpun ASCII set, svoje poruke i kod na Sezamu bi trebalo da prilagodiš
tome.
[] Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti?
Paranoja je sjajna stvar ;>. U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao
da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored (iako je činjenica da bi to
bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema ;) ). Od tebe se ovde
traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da ga
podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII. Dakle, samo za tebe, ono što si
tisuću puta do sada video (upućeno drugim korisnicima):
SET CODE!
[] Ja sebi ne bih takvo pravo davao dokle god sam pri zdravoj svesti.
Kada je to poslednji put bilo? ;)
[] Podrazumeva se da ću pisati kako pišem, uključujući tu i kodni raspored,
Nema problema, Novice. Trpeću i dalje tvoja iživljavanja i praštaću
ti jer te smatram prijateljem :).
[] a tvoja podrazumevanja ostavljam, naravno, tebi.
Da si 'pri zdravoj svesti', shvatio bi da ne treba da koristiš
dva različita kodna rasporeda u jednoj poruci.
[] I ne davite više ovim lenjiraškim trivijalnostima, gde se drugi ima
[] pokoriti tuđim tehničkim uzusima.
Jok, nego ćemo da se pokorimo hirovima esejističkog ekstremiste
koji je umislio da je Vojvoda od Šibernetske Autonomne Oblasti ;>.
Lepo je od tebe što si konstatovao da su u pitanju trivijalnosti,
ali je tužno to što ti te trivijalnosti ne shvataš.
Crtam:
Ihr beiden, die ihr mir so oft.
In Not und Trčbsal, beigestanden,
Sagt, was ihr wohl in deutschen Landen
Von unsrer Unternehmung hofft?
Ich wčnschte sehr der Menge zu behagen,
Besonders weil sie lebt und leben lšßt.
Die Pfosten sind, die Bretter aufgeschlagen,
Und jedermann erwartet sich ein Fest.
Sie sitzen schon, mit hohen Augenbrauen,
Gelassen da und mđchten gern erstaunen.
Ich weiß, wie man den Geist des Volks versđhnt;
Doch so verlegen bih ich nie gewesen:
Zwar sind sie an das Beste nicht gewđhnt,
Allein sie haben schrecklich viel gelesen.
Wie machen wir's, daß alles frisch und neu
Und mit Bedeutung auch gefšllig sei?
...
Ovako izgleda kada se tekst na nemačkom pošalje sa SET CODE Custom2,
a u (mom) odgovoru imaš isti taj tekst poslat tako što je u exec pre poruke
stavljeno SET CODE NONE, a posle poruke SET CODE Custom2. Oni koji koriste
C2 neće primetiti razliku, ali nije ni bitno jer je cilj ovoga da pokažem
da se i sa C2 mogu javiti problemi kakvi se (vrlo često ;> ) javljaju kada
se koristi YUSCII.
cyber.culture.72alien,
-> #71, alien
Ihr beiden, die ihr mir so oft.
In Not und Trübsal, beigestanden,
Sagt, was ihr wohl in deutschen Landen
Von unsrer Unternehmung hofft?
Ich wünschte sehr der Menge zu behagen,
Besonders weil sie lebt und leben läßt.
Die Pfosten sind, die Bretter aufgeschlagen,
Und jedermann erwartet sich ein Fest.
Sie sitzen schon, mit hohen Augenbrauen,
Gelassen da und möchten gern erstaunen.
Ich weiß, wie man den Geist des Volks versöhnt;
Doch so verlegen bih ich nie gewesen:
Zwar sind sie an das Beste nicht gewöhnt,
Allein sie haben schrecklich viel gelesen.
Wie machen wir's, daß alles frisch und neu
Und mit Bedeutung auch gefällig sei?
...
cyber.culture.73novim,
-> #70, severian" Izvini, ali ovo je zaista patetično. Pa, ljudi su samo
" predložili da setuješ ascii. Nećeš, ok! Ali, nemoj sada da se
" ponašaš kao sujetni klinac i da vičeš: 'neću više da se igram!'...
" Ovo je odlična tema i TREBA da živi...
1. Patetično - jer zaista nemam volje da svaki drugi dan objašnjavam
da je svima pod rukom i resign i ignore, da neću prepričavati već
davati izvorni Internet materijal, da su poruke dugačke jer su takve?
Nije patetično - nego je meni postalo dosadno. Jaaaako dosadno.
2. Yuscii/Ascii: kombinacija je izuzetno fleksibilna za Internet
razmenu: sedmobitna je (što je jako važno), i bez problema se može -
ko je koristi - grafički menjati na ekranu (bilo GBiočićevim Foggy
programom, bilo NBogićevićevim paketom za YUS015); takođe je jako
fleksibilna za rad pod Linuxom. Dokle god tako bude, ne menja mi se ta
kombinacija. (Skakanje u exec pred svako slanje, tj. skakanje kroz
rasporede, lišava me upravo te kombinacije; odustajanje od domaćih
slova nije cena koja mi se plaća ni u kojoj varijanti - pisao sam
zimus onoliko o tome da BeoNet vrska poput klinca koji nije pošao u
osnovnu školu.) Verujem u konvenciju po kojoj primalac teksta
konvertuje u svoj kodni raspored, koji hoće i kako hoće, a ne
pošiljalac. (Da šaljem neki C source, a ne običan tekst, još bih
razumeo...)
3. Neću, dakle - ok, ali ne smem da kažem - neću! :))) U poređenju s
ovom logikom, sve više mi se sviđa sujeta klinaca koji, kad kažu neću, i
misle - neću. :)
4. Neka živi. Ja sam skeptičan u pogledu sadašnjeg Sezama kao mesta za
nju. Ali nastavite, cyber-polje je široko, na sreću. :) Konačno,
valjda i ja treba da imam nešto da čitam.
cyber.culture.74novim,
-> #69, fancy" ŮŢ>" sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
" ŮŢ> ******
"
" Znaš šta... nemoj da se praviš blesav..! :(
" Ne izvlači rečenice iz konteksta, nema smisla, a i ne stoji ti..!
" Moja originalna poruka 14.56 je kao što se sećaš glasila:
"
" Ţ> Novime, daj 'leba ti, kumim te, ako boga znaš, tako ti svega, za ime
" Ţ> sveta, molim te odjebi prokleti YUSCII.
"
" Ako nisi u stanju da vidiš šaljiv ton u toj rečenici, onda, jebi ga...
1. Nisam pristalica javnih psovki. Ni u jednom kontekstu. Na
raspolaganju nam je gomila reči da kažemo ono što hoćemo. Bez patetike
psovanja. Bez pravljenja blesavim.
2. Zašto Yuscii/Ascii - imaš u odgovoru na drugu poruku (na 14.70).
3. Konvencija, po mom sudu, podrazumeva da primalac poruke prilagođava
poruku, a ne pošiljalac.
cyber.culture.75novim,
-> #71, alien
" ŠĆ Otkud i tebi ideja da mi ti određuješ koji ću raspored koristiti?
" Paranoja je sjajna stvar ;>. U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao
" da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored (iako je činjenica da bi to
" bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema ;) ). Od tebe se ovde
" traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da ga
" podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII. Dakle, samo za tebe, ono što si
Ej, jesi li čuo za kontradikciju?
a) "U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi
kodni raspored".
b) "(iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje
problema. Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored" itd.
Dakle, odluči: ili a) ili b). Ili ne sugerišeš ili, pak, tražiš. Ne
može oba.
Mislim da ipak tražiš, sugerišeš, ili kako već želiš. Rekao sam: nemam
tu nameru, možeš sam da poruku koju primaš središ kako ti je volja.
Problem je tvoj, a ne moj, i to ponovo kažem. - Onom ko hoće da čita
to je dovoljno, a ko neće - ne mora.
Dokle treba da ponavljam da je to tvoj problem, da ja nemam problema
sa kombinacijom Yuscii/Ascii? Ad nauseam...
Ostale tvoje uvrede preskačem, mnogo ih je i - neozbiljno je za javnu
raspravu.
cyber.culture.76stigor,
Pretvoriste i ovu temu u standardnu "prepucavajuću", a taman sam
pomislio evo nečeg novog i zanimiljivog ... Batalite te "nehumane"
razgovore pa da krenemo u svet cyber.culture ...
cyber.culture.77alien,
-> #75, novim[] " Paranoja je sjajna stvar ;>. U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao
[] " da treba da koristiš drugi kodni raspored (iako je činjenica da bi to
[] " bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje problema ;) ). Od tebe se ovde
[] " traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da
[] " ga podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII.
[]
[] Ej, jesi li čuo za kontradikciju?
[]
[] a) "U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi
[] kodni raspored".
[]
[] b) "(iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije rešenje
[] problema. Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored" itd.
[]
[] Dakle, odluči: ili a) ili b). Ili ne sugerišeš ili, pak, tražiš. Ne
[] može oba.
Aj' što si pokušao masakriranjem konteksta da stvoriš iluziju
da si u pravu, ali si prevideo ono najbitnije (opet ne čitaš?!). Nije
poenta onoga što sam napisao bila u tome da li nešto sugerišem ili
tražim, nego šta sugerišem ili tražim. Napisao sam lepo:
[][] U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš
[][] drugi kodni raspored... --------
[][] Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni raspored
-------
[][] na NONE kada šalješ ASCII, a da ga podesiš na YUSCII kada šalješ YUSCII.
Ovo poslednje znači: _na_onaj_kodni_raspored_koji_koristiš_.
Sada ti meni, glupom tehničaru & lenjirašu objasni šta je to
kontradikcija... ;>
[] Mislim da ipak tražiš, sugerišeš, ili kako već želiš.
TRAčIM I SUGERIŠEM da podesiš svoj kodni raspored na Sezamu
naredbom SET CODE na onaj kodni raspored koji koristiš u svojim porukama.
[] Rekao sam: nemam tu nameru, možeš sam da poruku koju primaš središ kako
[] ti je volja.
žemu onda SET CODE na Sezamu?
žemu onda SOR?
žemu uopšte civilizacija (ne mislim na konferenciju) ako nas
cyber culture spušta na nivo pećinskih ljudi?
Zar ne shvataš da je krajnje nekulturno to što očekuješ od ljudi
koji ovo prate, od ljudi koji s tobom komuniciraju da gube ogromno vreme
jer ti odbijaš da učiniš jednu sasvim jednostavnu stvar?
[] Problem je tvoj, a ne moj, i to ponovo kažem.
SET CODE!
[] - Onom ko hoće da čita to je dovoljno, a ko neće - ne mora.
Šta je dovoljno? Dovoljno je da TI kažeš da si TI u pravu i
to je dovoljno? Nekim ljudima bih možda tako nešto i prihvatio, ali
ti si čovek koji je u stanju da tvrdi da je pojam pobijen (idejom ;) )
te tvoje tvrdnje sasvim sigurno ne treba tako olako prihvatati.
[] Dokle treba da ponavljam da je to tvoj problem, da ja nemam problema
[] sa kombinacijom Yuscii/Ascii?
Kombinacija YUSCII/ASCII? Šta je to? Kombinacija YUSCIIja i
ASCIIja je nemoguća ako koristiš znake koji se među njima razlikuju.
To što ti to ne smatraš problemom je problem koga ti nisi svestan.
[] Ad nauseam...
Mrzi me da se hvatam rečnika. Ako je ovo bilo bitno, prevedi.
[] Ostale tvoje uvrede preskačem, mnogo ih je i - neozbiljno je za javnu
[] raspravu.
Ništa što sam napisao nije imalo za cilj da te uvredi. Ako si
se našao uvređenim, žao mi je. Ja sam samo konstatovao činjenice.
Doduše, bio sam i blago zloban... kao i obično O;>.
cyber.culture.78alien,
-> #73, novim[] 1. Patetično - jer zaista nemam volje da svaki drugi dan objašnjavam
[] da je svima pod rukom i resign i ignore,
Bez obzira na to koliko se ti trudio, tako nešto nećeš dočekati ;>.
[] da neću prepričavati već davati izvorni Internet materijal, da su
[] poruke dugačke jer su takve?
Ko se bunio zbog toga što je materijal izvorni ili što je dugačak?
[] Verujem u konvenciju po kojoj primalac teksta konvertuje u svoj
[] kodni raspored, koji hoće i kako hoće, a ne pošiljalac.
Veruj ti u šta god hoćeš, ali se pridržavaj konvencije koje
se ostali na Sezamu drže. Konverziju ovde ne vrši ni pošiljalac ni
primalac nego Sezam. Od pošiljaoca se traži samo da napišu iz čega
treba da se konvertuje, a od primaoca u šta treba da se konvertuje.
cyber.culture.79dragisha,
-> #66, novim-> Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se
-> čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana.
->
-> Izvinjavam se posebno Balindi, koji je temu na moje traženje i
-> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati
-> moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim
-> pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za kulturu.
-> Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na preganjanje
-> oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku 14.7
-> očigledno sam shvatio olako.
:((((((((((((((
Koji dio S. populacije je zakevtao na temu pa da ovako reaguješ? I kakve
veze ima što je neko zatražio da skloniš yuscii iz ovih poruka? Možda malo
više posla za kraj mjeseca kad budeš uklanjao šum i ništa više:). Ja sam
predložio kako najbezbolnije da to odradiš, ali pošto si se pokazao tvrd ja
sam to odradio sa alt-p to file, convert, import nazad. I tačka.
Tvoje napuštanje ove teme je upravo ono što lenjiraši žele. Popuštaš pred
lenjirom?:) Jedini koji su za*ebani su oni drugi. :(
--
[Programmers don't Byte,they just Nybble a bit]
cyber.culture.80rcolic,
Evo jednog teksta koji sam nasao u jednom starom broju
magazina ACE (za igre i ostalo). Iako je tekst malo
out-of-date prilicno me je zainteresovao. Jedini je problem
sto sve to izgleda malo kao varka. Uostalom, prosudite sami.
Interesuje me da li je neko cuo nesto vise o tome posto je ovo
tekst iz 1991 a od tada nema reci o ovome (ili ja nisam naisao
na isto). Da skratim..
P.S. izvinjavam se na (ne)kvalitetu slika, posto imam samo
rucni skener.
From: ACE magazine (april '91.)
-= A C T U A L M A N ! =-
Is Virtual Reality a thing of the past?
Just when games developers had begun to comprehend
the myriad opportunities presented by breakthroughs
in VR, APOLLO COMMUNICATIONS pull the rug from under
their feet. ACE reveals the stunning secrets behind
Actual Reality!
A converted men's sauna in South Wales is not the most likely
place you'd expect to find what could be the most amazing new
development in computer entertainment since the last one. It's
the unlikely home to Apollo Communications, founded by
managing director, chief engineer and sole employee Vince
Tyrell. For the last year he has been working on his incredible
Actual Reality Sensory Environment, or 'A.R.S.E.', and - out
of the blue - invited ACE to take a look.
The A.R.S.E. is light years ahead of any other VR system yet
seen. The speed, detail and realism of the images generated by
the machine are quite literally fantastic - just take a look
at some astounding photos on this page (slike su okacene uz
poruku - prim.prep). What you can't tell from these static shots
is how realistically all the non-visual aspects are modelled as
well. Every sound and smell is stunningly reproduced. Touch an
object and you can feel its surface texture and temperature.
Pick it up and the object's weight and dynamics are exactly
simulated. If you didn't know better, you'd swear it was real.
Vince stresses the full potential of the A.R.S.E. has barely
been explored and it still has quite a bit of work to be done
on it, such as shrinking the hardware to a portable size and
casing design. But Vince is confident that, finances
permitting, everything is on schedule for the anticipated
April 1992 launch. Believe us, it'll be worth the wait. As
Vince says, "My A.R.S.E. is unbelievable!"
INSIDE THE A.R.S.E.
Vince is justifyably proud of his A.R.S.E., and is naturally a
little reticient about giving too many details of the
technical specifications - his system is far and away superior
to anything else in development by companies such as W Industries
or VPL. When pushed he did offer this , "Basically, it's all
very complex."
The most immediately stunning aspect of the system is its
graphic capabilities. All the objects in the 'game world' are
modelled from polygons, just like the 3D graphics found in
most games, although far more advanced. Vince eagerly reels of
a stream of highly impressive statistics, "It can generate
around 40 million pollygons per second (using a blitter
adapted from the design used in the Amiga), each of which is
any one of over 64 million colours, which is far more than
even Amiga in HAM mode. Image update takes place every 50th of
a second to ensure maximum realism."
But the A.R.S.E. can do far more than just generating high-end
graphics. Using a unique and revolutionary nerve-induction
technique based on carefully-controlled microwave beams
transmitted into the brain, the A.R.S.E. can trick the brain
into hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling anything the
programmer requires. This approachhas resulted in a complete
VR system with all the necessary hardware, bar the complex
computer centre, fitting into a compact lightweight headset.
Portability has been one of Vince's main objectives. The
computer centre and headset communicate via a radio link - no
clumsy trailing cables to get under your feet here! Vince
admits that the computer centre is the system's only major bug
- it's just too large. Eventually customised chips will
drastically reduce the size - and cost! - of the system.
Unfortunatelly it wasn't possible to get a look at the
computer due to the possibility of upseting the delicate
magnetic and electric flux fields pervading the computer room,
although Vince did show me a picture of it.
LIVING ROOM OF THE FUTURE?
At the moment the only fully-working simulated environment is
one Vince calls simply 'Living Room'. Vince invited me to try
it out and I eagerly accepted. I donned the headset and then
Vince placed a dark bag over my head while he calibrated some
of the AR settings. Vince apologised for this; apparently the
system is very sensitive to ultraviolet while being adjusted
and very bright lights could easily damage the delicate (and
expensive!) sensory equipment.
With the bag still over my head Vince lead me to the 'game
room'. The radio transmitter currently used is a little weak
and player mobility has to be restricted to an area near the
computer's transmitter. This will be improved in the final
system so that the wearer could walk just about anywhere.
Eventually Vince shouted from next door that I could take the
bag off. I was in the 'Living Room'...
Words really can't convey the amazing feeling of interacting
with this highly realistic yet artificial environment. I could
pick up objects and put them elsewhere, look inside them,
touch, smell and taste them - the crunchy apples in the fruit
bowl were delicious! I knocked into a chair and felt pain
shoot through my shin! I turned on a lamp and instantly the
light-source shading on the other objects in the room changed
accordingly!
After a few minutes I became so overwhelmed by the experience
that I began to feel a little giddy so I replaced the bag on
my head, thus ending the session. I heard Vince enter the
'game room' and he helped me to a chair in his office. I was
shaking, such ways the system's effect on me! Any who doubt
the power of VR, and the A.R.S.E. in particular, should give
it a try!
THE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH
Vince Tyrell has had a fascinatingly varied life. He was born
in 1961 in Deptford, south-east London. His father was a car
salesman and it was in the car repair shop round the back of
the showroom that Vince first developed a love of technology
and gadgets. As Vince recalls, "Dad was very keen for me to
learn 'the business', as he called it. Some of my earliest
memoriess are of peering inside a car bonnet, tinkering with
the engine and fiddling with the mileometer."
Vince was never happy with formal schooling and left as soon
as possible at 15. "Them teachers never taught me nothing of
use.", says Vince, his voice tinged with a hint of bitterness.
For a while he worked for his father, but knew that his future
lay elsewhere. Unfortunatelly his father felt otherwise. "Dad
wanted me to learn and carry on the family trade, whereas I
felt that we should sell up and put our money into other, more
profitable markets. But Dad lacked my vision, you see? Sadly
he died in a tragic accident while cleaning my shotgun and -
Mum having run-off with his ex-partner several years earlier -
left me everything."
Although deeply saddened at his father death, Vince sold the
garage a couple of days after the funeral and found himself,
aged 22, with lots of money and the opportunity to direct his
own future. It was around this time that he first began to get
interested in the world of computers. He recalls, "Yeah, I
thought they were amazing. I used to buy old disused models,
open them up and have look inside. It's amazing how much gold
you can scrape from those old circuit boards."
In 1984 Vince started his own company, Apollo Communications,
selling portable phones imported from Taiwan. He later
returned to selling other goods imported from Far East, such
as calculators, electronic diaries and Phillipino wives.
However, it was in 1987 that Vince first heard about Virtual
Reality and became fascinated by its potential. "I realised
that other researchers were thinking about VR the wrong way.
They try to fool the punter's senses. My A.R.S.E. takes that
concept a stage further and concetrates on just fooling the
punter."
Vince started work on the revolutionary system in May 1990 and
now feels his A.R.S.E. is ready for inspection. "I'm very
happy with it so far," he enthuses, "However, there's still a
fair bit of work to be done and my limited funds are running
low. I'm keen to hear from anyone willing to invest in me and
my company. About 250.000 GBP - in cash, preferably, should do
the trick, but more would be nice."
GAMES WITHOUT FRONTIERS
Vince sees the main application for the A.R.S.E. being
entertainment, and has several game ideas in development. He
enthuses, "The realism of my A.R.S.E. is incredible. Play
'Actual Tennis' and you'll finish the set tired out with
blisters on your hand from the racket." The high level of
realism does have its drawbacks though; the planned 'M25
Frogger' and 'Rottweiler Attack' have had to be scrapped.
Vince also sees 'adult' entertainment possibilities, and is
working on some '18+' game modules. "Cor, it'd be great,"
drools Vince, "I've put my name down to playtest those ones
personally."
tekstovi uz fotografije:
PUBFIGHT.PCX
The proposed 'Pub Fighter' game. It's so sophisticated that
you'll drink and actually feel as you're getting drunk. The
more you drink the more aggressive you'll get. There are
different fight scenarios, such as 'Did you spill my pint?' or
'That's my girl you're looking at'. Playtesters have
complained of real bruises and hangovers after a long play
session.
LIVING.PCX
'The Living Room', currently Vince's only fully working Actual
Reality environment.
COMPUTER.PCX
This huge computer is the force driving the system. Vince
assures ACE that "this will be compressed using customised
chips so that it can all fit in a shoebox" ready for the
system's intended launch in April 1992.
ARSE.PCX
nema prateceg teksta
Pozdrav, Rcolic.
arse.zipcyber.culture.81novim,
-> #77, alien" ŠĆ a) "U ovoj temi ti nigde nisam sugerisao da treba da koristiš drugi
" ŠĆ kodni raspored".
" ŠĆ
" ŠĆ b) "(iako je činjenica da bi to bilo i lepše i konstruktivnije
" rešenje ŠĆ problema. Od tebe se ovde traži samo da podesiš kodni
" raspored" itd.
" Sada ti meni, glupom tehničaru & lenjirašu objasni šta je to
" kontradikcija... ;>
Da li u onom a) kažeš NE? Da li u ovom b) kažeš DA?
To se zove kontradikcija, a s kontradiktornim iskazima se ne
raspravlja. Nije ti prvi put da ne umeš da artikulišeš ono što hoćeš,
i tu ti ja više ne mogu pomoći. Objasnio sam svoj stav o tome više no
jednom.
" žemu uopšte civilizacija (ne mislim na konferenciju) ako nas
" cyber culture spušta na nivo pećinskih ljudi?
Ako te cyber.culture spušta na taj nivo, imaš resign, pa se uznesi do
grane. Nemam nameru da se zbog tvoje komocije odreknem domaćih slova
(što bi neizbežno bilo ako bih činio kako si tražio IZRIžITO u poruci:
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14.57 CIVILIZACIJA.7:cyber.culture
alien, 30.09.94. 09:02, 482 chr
Odgovor na 14.51, novim, 28.09.Sre 17:13
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ŠĆ Još jedan hint: Nije to yusci, nego ascii (lepo sam pišeš da je
ŠĆ engleski tekst...)
Zar je moguće da tebi treba da se objašnjava da postoji
naredba SET CODE? ;) Kada šalješ ASCII tekst (u kome se koriste
znaci koji su u tvom kodnom rasporedu rezervisani za 'kukičasta'
slova), namesti kod na NONE, a posle vrati na svoj kodni raspored.
Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst ║
u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova. ║
-----------------------------------------------14.57 ---
Odgovorio sam DVA puta zašto tu cenu pisanja bez naših slova ne
mogu da platim. I dalje stoji da je sve to problem koji TI imaš, a ne
ja.
" Zar ne shvataš da je krajnje nekulturno to što očekuješ od ljudi
" koji ovo prate, od ljudi koji s tobom komuniciraju da gube ogromno
" vreme jer ti odbijaš da učiniš jednu sasvim jednostavnu stvar?
Očekujem da ljudi koji ovo prate razumeju da sam:
1. pretražujući Internet
2. došao do nekih informacija, potom
3. preneo to ovamo, i
4. hteo da to podelim s ostalima, pa sam se
5. izborio za mesto (ovu temu), a onda
6. počeo da šaljem tu cyber.građu.
Sve o svom trošku, trudu, vremenu, volji.
Očekujem da, kad to shvate, ne očekuju da im sažvaćem (prepričam u 2-3
reda - ja stalno podsećam da je i to Sezamovcima problem), i da
konverzije u svoje rasporede urade sami. Ako sam uradio ono prvo,
mislim da svako može da uradi i ovo poslednje (piece of cake).
" Kombinacija YUSCII/ASCII? Šta je to? Kombinacija YUSCIIja i
" ASCIIja je nemoguća ako koristiš znake koji se među njima razlikuju.
" To što ti to ne smatraš problemom je problem koga ti nisi svestan.
Kombinacija Yuscii/Ascii je shvatljiva onom ko ima posla sa
Internetom, tj. sedmobitnim prenosom na Unixu ili Vaxu, i ne žele da
se odreknu naših znakova. Lenjirima je svejedno kako pišu, ali drugima
nije svejedno.
Objasnio sam takođe da je za one koji se odluče za tu kombinaciju
prelaz između Š i uglaste zagrade stvar trivijalna (F10 u Biočećevom
programčetu). Drugi, ako im naročito smeta (a diglo vas je nekoliko
galamu zbog desetak takvih znakova u nekih 30 Kb teksta! ne, dobićete
ignore k'o vrata), mogu to da srede postupkom s&r.
" Ko se bunio zbog toga što je materijal izvorni ili što je dugačak?
Umeš li ti da čitaš? Ako umeš - poruke br: 14.17 (odgovor u 14.18),
14.20 (odgovor u 14.23), 14.21 (odgovor 14.24), 14.35 (odgovor u
14.37), 14.65...
" Ništa što sam napisao nije imalo za cilj da te uvredi. Ako si
" se našao uvređenim, žao mi je. Ja sam samo konstatovao činjenice.
" Doduše, bio sam i blago zloban... kao i obično O;>.
Daviš neopisivo, prisiljavaš me da ponavljam jedno te isto po peti
put, da citiram gluposti koje pišeš ne razmišljajući i tvrdeći potom
da ih nisi pisao, etc. - Jedan ignore tebi, da konačno završimo.
cyber.culture.82novim,
-> #76, stigor" Pretvoriste i ovu temu u standardnu "prepucavajuću", a taman sam
" pomislio evo nečeg novog i zanimiljivog ... Batalite te "nehumane"
" razgovore pa da krenemo u svet cyber.culture ...
PO 8. PUT: BIĆE OVDE DUGIH PORUKA, NEĆE BITI KONVERZIJE, KO VOLI NEKA
IZVOLI, KO NE - NEKA NE DAVI VIŠE, IMA RESIGN I IGNORE, I - BASTA.
(Btw: Da li ikome pada na pamet šta se sve može izvesti na više
"dijalekata", tj. kodnih rasporeda? E jeste mi bez mašte, lenjiri
moji...)
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Ne odnosi se prethodno na tebe. Naprotiv, koristim tvoju poruku -
shvatam je kao podršku, kao i poruke nekih drugih, kojima sam zahvalan
- da kažem: plovimo dalje. :) Podrške imamo. :)
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Gleick, James - Chaos: The Making of a New Science
Grof, Stanislov - The Human Encounter with Death. Death, Psychology, LSD.
- Realms of the Human Unconscious. LSD, Subconscious.
Hafner, Katie with John Markoff - Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers...Frontier
Hamit, Francis & Wes Thomas - Virtual Reality: Adventures in Cyberspace
Harrison, Harry - Make Room! Make Room! (fiction)
Harry, ??? - Computer Underground
Hattori, Katura - What's Virtual Reality?
Hawke, Simon - Psychodrome (fiction)
Heinlein, Robert - The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (fiction)
- Notebooks of Lazarus Long (fiction)
- Stranger in a Strange Land (fiction)
- Time Enough for Love (fiction)
Helsel, Sandra & Judith Roth - Virtual Reality: Practice, Theory, and Promise
Herer, Jack - Hemp & Marijuana Conspiracy: The Emperor Wears No Clothes
Hoffman, Abbie - Steal This Book
- Steal This Urine Test: Fighting Drug Hysteria
- Soon To Be a Major Motion Picture
- Best of Abbie Hoffman
Hofmann, Albert - Insight/Outlook
- LSD: My Problem Child
Hofstadter, Douglas R. - The Mind's I: Reflections on Self & Soul.
Hooper, Judith - Would the Buddha Wear A Walkman? Catalogue of consciousness.
Hoy, ??? - Loompanics Greatest Hits
Hutchison, Michael - Mega-brain. Consciousness, Brain growth, stimulation.
Huxley, Aldous - Brave New World (fiction)
- Brave New World Revisited (fiction)
- The Doors of Perception. Mescaline encounters.
- Ends and Means. Nature of ideals and realization.
- Heaven and Hell
- Island (fiction)
- Moksha. Hallucinogens, religious experiences, visions
- Perennial Philosophy. Philosophy and religion.
Huyssen, Andreas - After the Great Divide: Modernism, Mass Culture, Postmodern
Jester, K. W. - Death Arms (fiction)
- Dr. Adder (fiction)
- Farewell Horizontal (fiction)
- Infernal Devices (fiction)
- The Glass hammer (fiction)
Kadrey, Richard - Metrophage (fiction)
Kerouac, Jack - On the Road.
Kesey, Ken - Demon Box (fiction)
- Further Inquiry. Tales of the Merry Pranksters.
- One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (fiction)
- Sometimes a Great Notion. Autobiography.
Key, William Bryan - Subliminal Seduction
- Media Sexploitation
- The Clam-Plate Orgy
Kowalski, Roy - The Science of Virtual Reality and Virtual Environments.
Kroker, Arthur, and David Cook - The Postmodern Scene
Krueger, Myron W. - Artificial Reality
- Artificial Reality II
Kunetka, James - nature's End (fiction)
Landreth, Bill - Out of the Inner Circle. Hacking.
Leary, Timothy - Changing My Mind, Among Others
- Flashbacks
- Info Psychology
- Neuropolitiques
- Politics of Ecstacy
- Psychedelic Experience
LeGuin, Ursula - Always Coming Home (fiction)
Lee, Marvin - Acid Dreams: CIA, LSD, and the Sixties
Lem, Stanislaw - Memoirs Found in a Bathtub (fiction)
Levy, Steven - Hackers. Origins of hackers.
Lewit, S. N. - Cyberstealth (fiction)
- Dancing Vac (fiction)
Leyner, Mark - My Cousin, My Gastroenterologist (fiction)
- American Made (fiction)
- I Was an Infinitely Hot and Dense Dot (fiction)
Lilly, John - Center of the Cyclone: An Autobiography of Inner Space
- The Deep Self
- Programming and Meta-programming the Human Biocomputer
Ludlow, ??? - Hasheesh eater: The Life of Pythagorean. published in 157!
Lyotard, Jean-Francois - The Postmodern Condition: A Report on Knowledge
Lyttle, ??? - Psychedelic Monographs and Essays Volumes #1-5
Maddox, Tom - Halo (fiction)
Malacalypse the Younger - The Principia Discordia. Church of the Subgenius.
Marcus, Greil - Lipstick Traces: A Secret History of the 20th Century
McAfee, John - Computer Viruses, Worms....And Other Threats to your System
McAffrey, Larry - Storming the Reality Studio. Cyberpunk, postmodern fiction.
McDonald, Ian - Out on Blue Six (fiction)
McHale, Brian - Postmodern Fiction
McKenna, Dennis - The Invisible Landscape
McKenna, Terence - The Archaic Revival
- Food of the Gods
- True Hallucinations
McLellan, H. - Virtual Reality: A Selected Bibliography.
Milan, Victor - The Cybernetic Samurai (fiction)
- The Cybernetic Shogun (fiction)
Minsky, Marvin - Society of Mind
Misha - Red Spider, White Web (fiction)
Moorcock, Michael - The Cornelious chronicles (fiction)
Moravec, Hans - Mind Children
Orwell, George - 1984 (fiction)
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cyber.culture.83djcorto,
-> #70, severian>> Ovo je odlicna tema i TREBA da zivi...
Naravno, a ne da i cyberspace bude zatrpan ovdasnjim nacinom ponasanja,
iskljucivoscu i licnim shvatanjem stvari. Na kraju krajeva, moderator
teme, koja me je JAAAAKO obradovala, bi morao da bude malkice
elasticniji, zar ne ? :)
Zasto nasa paralelna stvarnost (ovo ovde) da bude isto ruzna kao i ono
napolju .... Novice, daj to s Interneta :))))
cyber.culture.84djcorto,
-> #60, novim>> Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction)
Ima li veze s filmom istog naslova ?
cyber.culture.85fancy,
-> #74, novimŮŢ> 3. Konvencija, po mom sudu, podrazumeva da primalac poruke prilagođava
ŮŢ> poruku, a ne pošiljalac.
Kako želiš.
Da ja nešto hoću da proguram, bar bih se potrudio oko toga... da
prilagodim većini, da bi ih zainteresovao.
No dobro, ovo je tvoja tema, radi u njoj šta hoćeš, samo nemoj da se
ljutiš. OK..?
cyber.culture.86fancy,
-> #82, novim 1.
ŮŢ> Bezrazložno agresivan, veliš? Ok, odustajem.
2.
ŮŢ> Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail,
ŮŢ> uputiću ga sa kojeg BBS-a će moći da nastavi da skida te stvari.
3.
ŮŢ> PO 8. PUT: BIĆE OVDE DUGIH PORUKA, NEĆE BITI KONVERZIJE, KO VOLI NEKA
ŮŢ> IZVOLI, KO NE - NEKA NE DAVI VIŠE, IMA RESIGN I IGNORE, I - BASTA.
:))))
cyber.culture.87armitage,
-> #66, novim> Zaista sam nemoćan. Ne znam svu istoriju Sezama napamet, ali mi se
> čini da nijedna tema nije bila ovako neprijateljski dočekana.
>
> Izvinjavam se posebno Balindi, koji je temu na moje traženje i
> otvorio. Očito je sve to bilo prerano. Ko može, neka prihvati
> moje izvinjenje što sam uznemirio cyber-pećinu svojim neuspelim
> pokušajem da tu sa Interneta prenesem malo zanimanja za kulturu.
> Kriv jesam. Ne nameravam da trošim vreme i energiju na preganjanje
> oko svega ovog. Lenjir je pobedio, priznajem poraz. Poruku 14.7
> očigledno sam shvatio olako.
Iskreno se nadam da ovo ne misliš ozbiljno! Pa ne šalješ ti priloge zbog
onih koji ih ne čitaju, već zbog onih koji ih čitaju. Nemoj odustajati
zbog jedne banalne prepirke.
Hajde, da vidimo ovde malo više tolerancije. Ja sam predlog o stišavanju
strasti u ovoj temi shvatio ozbiljno.
-*- Armitage -*-
cyber.culture.88omega,
-> #82, novimŢ (Btw: Da li ikome pada na pamet sta se sve moze izvesti na vise
Ţ "dijalekata", tj. kodnih rasporeda? E jeste mi bez maste, lenjiri
Ţ moji...)
Btw, a sto ne bi promenio set code? :>>>
cyber.culture.89novim,
-> #86, fancy" Da ja nešto hoću da proguram, bar bih se potrudio oko toga... da
" prilagodim većini, da bi ih zainteresovao.
Cyber.culture je stvar manjine. I o tome sam pisao, pre jedva 10 dana.
Tebi ostavljam većinu, prilagođavanje, i sve ostalo.
" :))))
Od tvoje poruke od pre godinu dana da ne šaljem pesme Miloša
Crnjanskog, do tvog sitničavog pljuckanja po ovoj temi, koja je za
tebe "pretenciozna do bola", obišao si pun krug.
Ipak, za samo jedan dan sam se uverio da ipak ima ovde i drugačijih od
tebe, Nenada, Milana... To me raduje, i daje mi osnovu da se još
potrudim oko cyber-teme. Učinićeš mi uslugu ako ponoviš svoj "goodbye
c.c.".
I da nas dvojica završimo sa svim ovim, ima važnijih stvari.
cyber.culture.90novim,
-> #84, djcorto">> Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction)
"
" Ima li veze s filmom istog naslova ?
Izgleda da ima. Stiže za dan-dva spisak video stvari, tamo vidim i
ovaj naslov.
cyber.culture.91alien,
-> #81, novim[] Da li u onom a) kažeš NE? Da li u ovom b) kažeš DA?
Zar je moguće da i dalje insistiraš na toj svojoj podeli
na a) i b) u kojoj si masakrirao kontekst (šaljivi komentar (pri
'citiranju' si čak i smajlija obrisao) u zagradi na kraju jedne
rečenice si otkinuo i prikačio drugoj rečenici).
Tačno je da je prva rečenica odrečna, a druga potvrdna,
ali se ne odnose na istu stvar te stoga nema kontradikcije.
[] To se zove kontradikcija, a s kontradiktornim iskazima se ne
[] raspravlja.
Nisam siguran da ti uopšte znaš šta je to iskaz.
[] Nije ti prvi put da ne umeš da artikulišeš ono što hoćeš, i tu
[] ti ja više ne mogu pomoći. Objasnio sam svoj stav o tome više no
[] jednom.
Pokušaj da pročitaš i shvatiš ono što sam napisao. Nema
potrebe da čitaš između redova, sve je napisano... Alt+O, Alt+O...
[] Ako te cyber.culture spušta na taj nivo, imaš resign, pa se uznesi do
[] grane.
Jasno je meni da je tebi cilj da ostaneš (skoro) sam u ovoj
temi i da će te to učiniti srećnim jer ćeš umisliti da si dokazao
kako 'lenjiraši' ništa ne znaju čak ni o svoj kulturi niti ih ona
zanima. Sorry, Novice, takvo zadovoljstvo nećeš imati.
[] Nemam nameru da se zbog tvoje komocije odreknem domaćih slova
[] (što bi neizbežno bilo ako bih činio kako si tražio IZRIžITO u poruci:
[] Podrazumeva se da onda u istoj poruci ne treba da pišeš i tekst ║
[] u kome bi takvi znaci trebalo da predstavljaju YU slova. ║
Ja sam ti neizmerno zahvalan što si mi uštedeo trud priznavši
sam da su tekstovi (na engleskom) koje šalješ u ASCIIju, a ne u YUSCIIju.
Ko je ovde najmlađi (po stažu) korisnik? Molio bih ga da objasni NoviMu
zašto u jednoj poruci nikako ne treba koristiti dva različita kodna
rasporeda.
[] Odgovorio sam DVA puta zašto tu cenu pisanja bez naših slova ne
[] mogu da platim.
Ko te tera da pišeš bez naših slova? Jednostavno, u porukama
u kojima su ti prilozi sa Interneta nemoj ništa dopisivati, a u
porukama gde nisu prilozi - piši kao i do sada (sa našim slovima,
po kom god hoćeš rasporedu (samo da je podešen na Sezamu)).
[] I dalje stoji da je sve to problem koji TI imaš, a ne ja.
Gde to stoji da odem da ga srušim? ;)
[] Očekujem da ljudi koji ovo prate razumeju da sam:
[] 1. pretražujući Internet
[] ...
[] 6. počeo da šaljem tu cyber.građu.
[] Sve o svom trošku, trudu, vremenu, volji.
Hvala! :)
Zašto se onda ponašaš kao 'oslobodilac' i miniraš sve to?
[] i da konverzije u svoje rasporede urade sami.
Niko od tebe ne traži da vršiš konverzije. To sasvim lepo
radi Sezam ako mu saopštiš tačno u kom je kodnom rasporedu ono
što šalješ.
[] Ako sam uradio ono prvo, mislim da svako može da uradi i ovo
[] poslednje (piece of cake).
To znači štampanje u fajl... i tako se gubi smisao slanja
u vidu poruke :(.
[] Kombinacija Yuscii/Ascii je shvatljiva onom ko ima posla sa
[] Internetom, tj. sedmobitnim prenosom na Unixu ili Vaxu, i ne žele da
[] se odreknu naših znakova. Lenjirima je svejedno kako pišu, ali drugima
[] nije svejedno.
Ti to pokušavaš nekog da uvrediš? ;>
[] Objasnio sam takođe da je za one koji se odluče za tu kombinaciju
[] prelaz između Š i uglaste zagrade stvar trivijalna (F10 u Biočećevom
[] programčetu).
Znači sada svi treba da pređu na 'Biočićevo programče' zato
što tebe mrzi da u svoj autoexec dodaš proceduru koju ćeš koristiti
za slanje priloga sa Interneta i koja će na početku imati jedno
SET CODE NONE, a na kraju SET CODE YUSCII.
[] Daviš neopisivo, prisiljavaš me da ponavljam jedno te isto po peti
[] put,
Ne prisiljavam te. Sam si umislio da te teram da se odrekneš
YUSCIIja i počeo si da se braniš od nečega što te nije ni napalo.
Umesto što si ponavljao 'jedno te isto po stoti put' (što je samo
po sebi besmisleno jer je suvišno), mogao si da pročitaš malo
pažljivije ono šta ti je više ljudi napisalo kao savet.
[] da citiram gluposti koje pišeš ne razmišljajući i tvrdeći potom
[] da ih nisi pisao, etc.
Gde sam to tvrdio da nisam napisao ono što sam napisao?
To što ti pogrešno tumačiš moje rečenice (što je zaista
tužno ako se uzme u obzir šta si po struci) je tvoj problem. žak
ni varkama pri citiranju ti ne uspeva da mi staviš u prste ;)
nešto što nisam kucao.
[] - Jedan ignore tebi, da konačno završimo.
Ti si moderator ove teme?
Lepo :(.
cyber.culture.92fancy,
-> #89, novimŮŢ> Od tvoje poruke od pre godinu dana da ne šaljem pesme Miloša
ŮŢ> Crnjanskog, do tvog sitničavog pljuckanja po ovoj temi, koja je za
ŮŢ> tebe "pretenciozna do bola", obišao si pun krug.
Šta je ovo, pamti pa vrati..?
A da li se sećaš kako sam te zezao za vitlanje sa mrežama..? Ne, nemoj
to da zaboraviš, kao ni to da sam te zamalo pokosio na pešačkom prelazu,
a da ne pominjem kako sam te zajebavao što nisi upgrade-ovao qemm 7.06c
na qemm 7.07b, naravno sve uvrede na račun linuxa i x-windowsa se pomno
pamte, a kao šlag bi bilo bezrazložno šutiranje tvog dobermana i
odbijanje da ti povećam nivo na mom BBS-u... E, da, kad smo kod toga,
neka se ne zaboravi kako sam ti još u školi lupao šljage kad ne bi imao
siću da platiš prolaz, zatim te zvao noćima tačno u 2h 20min i
uznemiravao tvoje roditelje nekad a tvoju suprugu sada, bezobraznim
predlozima. Sećaš se kako nisam glasao za tvoj vic u vote-u za vic
meseca? A onda kad su preuzimali Književni Zabavnik stavio sam se na
stranu pučističkog predsedništva i javno govorio kako tvoje tekstove
treba baciti na đubrište istorije... a onomad kad sam ti rekao da
sumnjam da si Hrvat, ili kad sam te pitao da li nosiš periku... i kad
sam poverovao i čak proširio trač o tvojim sumnjivim seksualnim
opredeljenjima, pa kad sam ti krao pisma iz poštanskog sandučeta, ili
onda kad sam ti provalio pass na Korozija BBS-u, optuživao te da pišeš
dugačke poruke i njima truješ omladinu, pa kad sam te prijavio zbog
neplaćanja TV pretplate i fizički nasrnuo na tvoju maloletnu ćerku, i
onda kad sam ti zagradio kola na parkingu, napravio rekordni skor u
Tetrisu na tvom računaru, sjeb'o init string modema, pokušao da ti
instaliram windows, nabacivao se ribi kojoj si se nabacivao, valjao ti
loš staff, poslao te na domine u chatu, zatim pokušao da zapalim tvog
(išutiranog) dobermana, i konačno, nepravedno bi bilo ne pomenuti i
nepravedne sankcije.
ŮŢ> Ipak, za samo jedan dan sam se uverio da ipak ima ovde i drugačijih od
ŮŢ> tebe, Nenada, Milana...
Palo etiketiranje..? a?
ŮŢ> Učinićeš mi uslugu ako ponoviš svoj "goodbye c.c.".
Ajde..? Biće da si me pogrešno razumeo... nije u mojoj prirodi da
pravim velike oproštaje sa najavljivanjem, pucanjem i plakanjem, a ono
ti je samo bilo zbogom (c.) kulturi koju daviš svojim rigidnim stavom
i talentom da svaku dobronamernu kritiku shvatiš kao napad na lični
integritet, i integritet ti kodnog rasporeda.
Možeš da bežiš od prijatelja, ali od sebe ne možeš pobeći.
cyber.culture.93djcorto,
-> #90, novim>> ">> Carlisle, Anne - Liquid Sky (fiction)
>> Izgleda da ima. Stize za dan-dva spisak video stvari, tamo
>> vidim i ovaj naslov.
Postoji i soundtrack, imam na kaseti ...
cyber.culture.94ganta,
-> #91, alien> To znači štampanje u fajl... i tako se gubi smisao slanja
> u vidu poruke :(.
Baš to. Ako moram da konvertujem, onda sam mogao i da skidam
fajl (što menja smisao ove teme).
cyber.culture.95djcorto,
-> #82, novim>> Gleick, James - Chaos: The Making of a New Science
Gleick, James & Autodesk: Chaos: The Software ???
cyber.culture.96drndi,
-> #66, novim>> Koga bude dalje zanimala cyber.culture neka mi se javi na mail,
>> uputicu ga sa kojeg BBS-a ce moci da nastavi da skida te stvari.
Nemoj da se salis sa zivotom :) !!!! Samo bre ti bacaj ovamo te
fajlove, kome smeta nek ne cita. Budes li odustao shvaticu to kao
bezuslovnu predaju. Keep up the good work.
cyber.culture.97novim,
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Otomo, Katsuhiro - Akira
Palmer, Thomas - Dream Science (fiction)
Parker, Don - Fighting Computer Crime
Parsegian, V. Lawrence - This Cybernetic World. Cybernetics.
Parfrey, Adam - Apocalypse Culture. Pomo/industrialism.
Pelton, Ross - Mind Food & Smart Pills. Neuropharmacology.
Penley, Constance & Andrew Ross (eds.) - Technoculture
Perry, Paul - On the Bus. Story of Ken Kesey and Merry Pranksters and stuff.
- Haight-Ashbury: A History
Pirsig, Robert - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Platt, Charles - The Silicon Man.
Pohl, Frederick - Beyond the Blue Event Horizon (fiction)
- Gateway (fiction)
- Heechee Rendezvous (fiction)
- Man Plus (fiction)
- The Annals of the Heechee (fiction)
Porush, David - The Soft Machine: Cybernetic Fiction
Potter, Beverly - Way of the Ronin. Career, vocation changes.
Powell, William - The Anarchists Cookbook. Drug abuse, explosives, firearms.
Pynchon, Thomas - Crying of Lot 49
- Gravity's Rainbow
- V
- Vineland
Quarterman, John S. - The Matrix. Computer Networks.
Rand, Ayn - For the New Intellectual. Philosophy.
Ratsch, ??? - Gateway to Inner Space
Re/Search - Industrial Culture Handbook. Industrial musicians profiles.
- Modern Primitives
- PRANKS!
- Angry Women
Rheingold, Howard - Virtual Reality. Cybernetics, virtual reality, simulation.
Rucker, Rudy - Software (fiction)
- Wetware (fiction)
- The Secret of Life (fiction)
- masters of Space and Time (fiction)
- Spacetime Donuts (fiction)
- The 5th Franz Kafka (fiction)
- White Light (fiction)
Ryan, Thomas - The Adolescence of PI (fiction)
Schultes, Richard Evans - Plants of the Gods: Originis of Hallucinogens
Shelley, Mary - Frankenstein (fiction)
Sherman, Barry - Glimpses of Heaven, Visions of Hell. VR.
Shiner, Lewis - Frontera (fiction)
- Deserted Cities of the Heart (fiction)
- Slam (fiction)
Shirley, John - Eclipse (fiction)
- Eclipse Corona (fiction)
- Eclipse Penumbra (fiction)
- Total Eclipse (fiction)
- City Come A'Walkin' (fiction)
- Heatseeker (fiction)
- Transmaniacon (fiction)
Sieber, Ulrich - International Handbook on Computer Crime
Sirius, R.U. & Rudy Rucker (eds) - A User's Guide to the New Edge
Spinrad, Norman - Agent of Chaos (fiction)
- Little Heroes (fiction)
- Other Americas (fiction)
- Streetman (fiction)
Stafford, Peter - Psychedelics Encyclopedia
Stang, Ivan - High Weirdness By Mail. Fringes of culture sources.
- Three-Fisted Tales of Bob. Subgenius.
Starks, ??? - Cocaine Fiends and Reefer Madness. Drugs on film.
Stelarc - Obsolete Body Suspensions
Stephenson, Neal - Snow Crash (fiction).
Sterling, Bruce - Artificial Kid (fiction)
- Crystal Express (fiction)
- Difference Engine (with William Gibson)
- Involution Ocean (fiction)
- Islands in the Net (fiction)
- Mirrorshades: A Cyberpunk Anthology (editor)
- Schizmatrix (fiction)
- The Hacker Crackdow
- Globalhead (fiction)
Stevens, Jay - Storming Heaven: LSD & the American Dream
Stoll, Clifford - The Cuckoo's Egg. Hacking.
Sturgeon, Theodore - More Than Human (fiction)
Swanwick, Michael - Vacuum Flowers (fiction)
- In the Drift (fiction)
- Stations of the Tide (fiction)
Swezey, ??? - AMOK Dispatch
Toffler, Alvin - Future Shock. Social Change.
- The Third Wave. Social Change.
Turkle, Sherry - The Second Self: Computers & the Human Spirit
Varley, John - The Ophiuchi Hotline (fiction)
- Millenium (fiction)
Vinge, Vernor - Marooned Across Real-time (fiction)
- True Names and Other Dangers (fiction)
- Threats and Other Promises (fiction)
- The Peace War (fiction)
Vollman, William - You Bright and Risen Angels (fiction)
Wade, ??? - Anarchist's Guide to the BBS
Weil, Andrew - Marriage of Sun & Moon: Quest for Unity in Consciousness
- Natural Mind: Investigation of Drugs and Higher Consciousness
Whole Earth Catalog - Essential Whole Earth Catalog.
- The Fringes of Reason. Occultism.
- Signal, Communications for the Information Age.
- Software Catalog.
- Whole Earth Access Mail Order Catalog.
Wiener, Norbert - Cybernetics: Control and Communication in Animal and Machine
- The Human Use of Human Beings
Williams, Walter Jon - Angel Station (fiction)
- Facets (fiction)
- Hardwired (fiction)
- Solips System (fiction)
- Voice of the Whirlwind (fiction)
Wilson, Robert Anton - Cosmic Trigger
- Cosmic Trigger 2
- Historical Illuminatus Chronicles
The Earth Will Shake
Nature's God
The Widow's Son
- Illuminati Papers
- The Illuminatus! Trilogy
- Ishtar Rising
- Masks of the Illuminati
- New Inquisition
- Prometheus Rising
- Quantum Psychology
- Right Where You are Sitting Now
- Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy
- Sex & Drugs, A Journey Beyond Limits
Windling, Terri (editor) - Borderlands (fiction)
- Bordertown (fiction)
Wolfe, Tom - Electrik Kool-Aid Acid Test. Kesey & Pranksters & Haight-Ashbury.
Womack, Jack - Ambient (fiction).
Terraplane (fiction).
Heathern (fiction).
Zahn, Timothy - Cobra (fiction)
- Cobra Bargain (fiction)
- Cobra Strike (fiction)
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cyber.culture.98veca,
-> #81, novim>> 1. pretražujući Internet
>> 3. preneo to ovamo, i
>> 4. hteo da to podelim s ostalima, pa sam se
>> Sve o svom trošku, trudu, vremenu, volji.
>> konverzije u svoje rasporede urade sami. Ako sam uradio ono prvo,
>> mislim da svako može da uradi i ovo poslednje (piece of cake).
Sve je to ok. i svaka ti čast na trudu, ali mislim da nije bilo
potrebno unositi ovakav ton u temu i pokretati ovako otužnu
raspravu :( Rekla bih da su ljudi, sugerišući na promenu koda,
bili dobronamerni, želeći, naprosto, da ova nova tema bude lepa i
čista, daleko od svih naših problema i frustracija, (barem sam je
ja tako shvatila) a onda je zagadiste :( Moglo je sve i drugačije
da se završi... ukoliko nisi bio voljan da menjaš kod, upotrebiš
malo diplomatije i odgovoriš nešto poput ovog što sam gore
kvotirala, (svi bi pretpostavljam, rekli ok. stvarmo čovek se
potrudio da nam dovuče tekstove) umesto što si rekao 'nemam
nameru ništa da menjam, to je vaš problem', revoltirajući tako i
njih i one kojima ne smeta jusci, nego ton rasprave.
cyber.culture.99veca,
-> #73, novim>> 1. Patetično - jer zaista nemam volje da svaki drugi dan
>> objašnjavam da je svima pod rukom i resign i ignore, da neću
>> prepričavati već
A jel' ti nemaš na tastaturi znak '*' koji će te osloboditi
takvih poruka? :) Radi ono što si naumio i ne obraćaj pažnju. Dao
si uputstvo, tj. upozorenje kakve će i koje dužine biti poruke,
kome smeta nek se žali virtuelnom Bogu :)
cyber.culture.100veca,
-> #89, novim>> tebe, Nenada, Milana... To me raduje, i daje mi osnovu da se još
Hm, možda sam nešto propustila, ali ne videh da je ovde Milan
nešto kriv, ni da je učestvovao u raspravi.
cyber.culture.101veca,
Ne znam da li ima veze sa ovom temom, ali mi deluje šašavo, pa
šaljem ovde.
Naime, juče sam sređivala disk, formatirala neke diskete etc. a
nakon toga uzeh da čistim pirinač :) Nakon par minuta dolazi keva
i kaže da požurim, a ja kao iz topa: "kako da požurim kad ima
puno bad sectora" :))) (hoću reći, pirinač je bio pun đubreta)
čena me u čudu pogleda i izađe iz sobe :)